The Art of Manliness - #187： Improving Strength & Durability With the Kabuki Movement System

00:00:00.000 Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. So if you

00:00:18.580 lift weights, you're going to love this episode. And even if you don't lift weights, you're

00:00:21.840 going to get something out of it. So a few months ago, I had powerlifter Chris Duffin

00:00:25.200 on the podcast to discuss his inspiring story of overcoming childhood poverty and becoming

00:00:30.140 one of the strongest men on earth, as well as a successful family and businessman. We

00:00:34.320 also get into the philosophy of strength, why men should be strong. And we get into a

00:00:38.120 few strength training pointers as well. If you haven't checked that episode out, it's

00:00:42.080 episode number 114. I've brought Chris back onto the podcast to talk about his recently

00:00:46.900 released Kabuki movement systems. For the past few years, Chris has been working with some

00:00:51.180 of the best in the field when it comes to body mechanics and how it applies to weight

00:00:55.180 training. And through a series of easy to remember cues, Chris has developed a way so you can

00:01:00.720 be sure that your body's properly positioned so you can deadlift, squat, bench, press more

00:01:06.300 while simultaneously reducing your chance of injury. Even if you don't weight train, you're

00:01:11.440 going to find some information Chris has in this podcast about breathing and mobility work

00:01:15.680 to be really useful. So this podcast is jam packed with actionable items you can start using

00:01:20.560 in the gym today. So be sure to check out the show notes for links to resources and studies Chris

00:01:25.680 and I mentioned in the podcast. You can find them at aom.is slash Duffin, D-U-F-F-I-N.

00:01:40.860 Chris Duffin, welcome back to the show.

00:01:44.520 Glad to be back. Thanks for having me.

00:01:46.120 All right. So yeah, last time we were here, we talked about your life and lifting in general

00:01:51.560 and strength training. But today I want to have you back on the show to discuss a new

00:01:57.140 project and a new phase in your strength training. I don't want to say career, but just, yeah,

00:02:02.360 we'll say career. For the past year or so, you've been putting out a lot of content and a lot of focus

00:02:08.380 about body movement and body mechanics and how it applies to lifting. And I mean, you get like

00:02:15.380 really specific with this stuff, right? Like how the hip, where the hip is, how you should place your

00:02:21.940 knees, how you breathe, et cetera. I'm curious, why did you start looking at lifting in this very

00:02:29.760 meticulous way? Because I think most people, they just approach lifting. Okay, there's how you do a

00:02:33.140 squat. I get into the bar and I squat. That's it. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just kind of my nature

00:02:39.420 in general. So you look at anything I've done, like, you know, I started building up, you know,

00:02:43.960 some, my own set of axles and I designed them from scratch and I built central tire inflation and,

00:02:49.400 you know, all sorts of, you know, the, the steering design, everything. I just really get into

00:02:54.020 all the technical aspects, but also understanding the whole functionality and how it fits together.

00:02:59.040 And a number of years ago, I'd always been very technical with how my lifts looked, but I started

00:03:07.980 to get some injuries and they weren't related injuries, but it was, it was just over this

00:03:13.640 couple year period. I had this string of injuries and I'm like, there has to be something to this.

00:03:20.340 And everybody that I talked to was like, oh no, you just got to treat this one thing and let's,

00:03:26.120 let's move on to the next. And so I started, you know, reaching out to a lot of different people

00:03:30.480 until I finally found, you know, a methodology that, that connected with me and started having

00:03:36.580 an impact. And this was with some developmental kinesiology out of what's called the Prague

00:03:43.480 School of Medicine. So it's really big in the rehab and sports world. And so just over time,

00:03:51.640 you know, maybe from my, my business background and, you know, stuff, I, I'm not sure how,

00:03:56.540 but I ended up basically connecting with some of the best people in the world, teaching in the U S

00:04:04.960 the instructors from Prague, um, you know, being able to call people like Dr. Stuart McGill,

00:04:10.840 a friend from that, from, from the, uh, the spine mechanics side. Um, I've, I've been able to

00:04:16.520 develop this relationship where I've got all these resources that are basically the people writing

00:04:22.660 the books, doing the research on how this stuff works. But the problem is nobody is applying it

00:04:31.760 to pure strength sports. Are we doing this, you know, like in the world we live and we go into the

00:04:37.640 gym and we lift heavy weights or, you know, we, you know, you're out in the field picking up a

00:04:42.040 wheelbarrow or, you know, like, you know, big manly stuff, you know, we pick up heavy things.

00:04:46.820 That's what we do. Right. And, uh, and you know, it's, it's a lot of it was all these remedial

00:04:52.920 patterns that they're dealing with for, you know, somebody coming back from an injury or an elderly

00:04:58.140 population, that sort of stuff. But with the relationships I was able to develop, I was able

00:05:03.560 to have basically open conversation back and forth in being able to figure this out. And so just,

00:05:09.760 you know, how my brain works and stuff, I could grasp the, uh, the, the core principles of what's

00:05:14.940 going on. And then I actually take that to what we're doing in basic loaded movement patterns

00:05:21.160 and figure out the cueing strategy, what we should be happening to make the body function the way it

00:05:28.660 should. So, like I said earlier, my lifts looked technically perfect, but my body wasn't doing what it

00:05:36.580 needed to be doing. Right. So, okay. So, so, so it became a focus on, cause you can make things

00:05:43.300 fall, you know, like people are squatting that you always hear knees out, knees out.

00:05:47.500 Well, knees out happen if the right thing is happening. So if you're doing the right thing

00:05:52.800 with the core and the right thing with your feet, your, your, your legs and knees, everything's going

00:05:56.840 to be in the right position. Everything's going to be firing correctly. You're going to be optimizing

00:06:01.260 your power transfer. You're going to be reducing risk for injury. But if you just put your knees

00:06:07.460 out, you don't get all those benefits. You don't have the muscle engaged. You haven't reduced the

00:06:12.740 risk for injury. Uh, you haven't done those things. So it's, it's just kind of a, a shift in focus from

00:06:18.600 making the body function the way it's supposed to, and then developing an eye and being able to see

00:06:26.260 minute little things in the body so that you can actually do the assessment. So this is one of my,

00:06:33.200 my, like I said, I, I, I work with a lot of these, you know, high-end rehab folks that develop a lot

00:06:39.540 of this material, but my frustration sometimes is, you know, it's like, oh, well we need to analyze,

00:06:46.040 you know, squat mechanics and shoulder mobility. So we got to do an overhead press and we got to check

00:06:50.180 the glute firing. So we got to do a, uh, or an overhead squat and we got to check glute firing.

00:06:55.140 So we've got to do a single leg, uh, glute bridge, you know, seven different tests will run through

00:07:01.660 to figure it out. And I'm like, well, they were just squatting and I saw it all and I can fix it

00:07:07.780 right now because I know how to cue it. So we never have to actually move backwards, which is really,

00:07:13.760 really, really powerful. I mean, it sounds, it is incredibly simple. It sounds simple, but you,

00:07:20.720 you think about if you go into the gym, you're going there for a reason, right? To get stronger

00:07:25.960 or lose weight. And you don't want to spend a month or two doing body weight movements to getting

00:07:31.040 things moving right before you can actually start working your plan. So, so that's, uh, I guess that's

00:07:38.680 the fundamentals behind, you know, the Kabuki movement systems. We do do some of the remedial work

00:07:44.240 with the, uh, the KMS you've been on the website, uh, Brett. So you've seen a lot of that. Um, but

00:07:49.100 it's more of like homework or reinforcing postural cues, or like I said, you know, that the homework

00:07:54.920 piece for sending somebody, let's fix it in the squat, but here's some things that you can do on

00:07:59.180 the side to continue to re-ingrain those patterns. So that's the, that's the fundamentals of the KMS.

00:08:04.720 It's always move forward, man. Always move forward.

00:08:07.000 I love that. So this not only like focusing about or getting really specific about body movement

00:08:11.780 or body mechanics, isn't just going to prevent injuries. It's also going to help you. I mean,

00:08:16.140 is this going to make you have a stronger lift as well?

00:08:19.240 Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so, you know, we, it's not uncommon for me to see somebody that hasn't

00:08:26.960 implemented these principles before to implement and in their first workout hit like a 10% PR.

00:08:32.280 We're talking going from like a 400 pound squat to a 440 pound squat. That's huge.

00:08:38.140 That's a big jump. Yeah. Yeah. Because what, what we're doing, I don't know if I covered in this in

00:08:42.280 the last, uh, the last interview sequence, but, um, the body has some protective measures.

00:08:47.960 So if you're at basically risk for injury, so if you've got to either two things, either a

00:08:53.160 destabilized joint or a non, um, or, or, or the core isn't engaged properly, what we call a core,

00:09:01.540 but a proper intra-abdominal pressure isn't created. If you don't have either of those things,

00:09:06.560 the body detunes, it detunes itself so that you reduce your risk for injury. So if you turn off

00:09:13.920 those systems all of a sudden, basically it means you're, you're, you're not training to the maximal

00:09:19.620 effect. If you're, if you could have been squatting 440 and you were working with 400,

00:09:23.720 you weren't taking advantage of the full, full effect. So think, compile that over five years

00:09:29.620 and think what that's going to do to your training. If you're actually using heavier

00:09:33.080 training loads, it's the same principle. This is why, uh, like the training on the Bosu ball stuff

00:09:37.660 is, uh, non-effective. As soon as you get on a Bosu ball, the body deregulates. So it doesn't

00:09:42.320 matter. Everybody thinks they're working their core and balance, stability, all that stuff,

00:09:45.680 but they're using 10 bound dumbbells and getting no training effect from it. So, um, you actually need

00:09:52.080 stability first primary, um, if you want to maximize, uh, your output. And I imagine this,

00:10:00.540 it's gotta be, it's, it's a big mind shift. I think for a lot of strength training athletes to be

00:10:05.880 mindful of their body in this way, right? Like being aware of like what your pelvis is doing

00:10:11.800 or what your back is. I mean, that's like, I've, I've done that and it's really hard, uh, to wrap

00:10:17.380 your mind around like to get that kinetic mind connection going on. It is, but that's, that's

00:10:23.660 part of two of the KMS principles. Cause if you go online, you'll find like, here's the hundred

00:10:27.900 things you're supposed to focus on, on the squat. And so you can't do that. How the heck am I supposed

00:10:33.400 to do that? I got 400 pounds on my back right now. So I try to never have more than five cues.

00:10:39.440 So five things that you can repeat through your head over and over and go though. So it's, it's,

00:10:43.960 it's trying to refine it down to the, and it's really hard to develop a squat with five cues.

00:10:49.640 It took me a long time and they're very simple. And once you go through, why did it take you so

00:10:53.620 long to figure that out? But it's like, what set and how do you cue it? And how do you get that in

00:10:58.900 such a way that that one cue covers 20 things? Um, so, so we try to refine that down to as little

00:11:06.300 things as possible. And then as you practice at the gym, you know, when it comes to performance time,

00:11:10.700 you don't have to think through all that stuff. But what we found, you know, your high level

00:11:15.000 athletes, they all do a lot of these things. I mean, they're high level athletes, right?

00:11:19.720 That for a reason, they all do these things naturally because they're athletic. But if we

00:11:25.540 bring focused, conscious awareness to them, they always get better. It doesn't matter at what level,

00:11:32.860 which is pretty crazy. Right. That's awesome. And then also just like even non high, uh, high

00:11:38.280 competitive athletes, like they'll get better too with these cues. Right. Oh, absolutely. This

00:11:43.240 is, so this is someone that's really not like a high athletic nature. This is the, actually the

00:11:47.580 biggest payoff. Cause I get people all the time. Like, well, I'm just getting into lifting. Is it

00:11:51.260 really ready for, is it really for me? I'm like, well, hell yeah. You don't want to do it wrong for

00:11:55.460 10 years before you, and then compile injuries. But if you're not a natural athlete, you know, one of

00:12:00.720 those gifted people, a lot of these things don't come naturally. And so you end up with this,

00:12:05.920 oh, my, my knee hurts. And then my ankle and now my elbow, oh, my shoulder. And you end up with

00:12:11.280 this, you know, you train for six months and then you take a few, you know, if you, and it just,

00:12:16.320 you constantly have these aches and pains and all this stuff. Um, so if you teach these core

00:12:22.480 operating principles, all of a sudden, all these things come into place and you've got, you're just

00:12:26.720 focused on training and moving better. And, and, and a lot of people think like heavy training or

00:12:32.600 strength training is going to be negative for life. You know, it's going to decrease your

00:12:36.280 mobility, redo, you know, increase your injuries. You know, it's, it's, it, it takes from life.

00:12:42.780 But if you learn it in the KMS principles approach, these things actually make you function better

00:12:49.020 in life. Right. That's awesome. You're not going to, you're not going to bend over one day to pick

00:12:53.380 up the kid and go, oh, there went my back crap. Um, you know, this is, this is, this actually helps

00:13:00.260 you function better in life. I love that. So it's all, it's all about making like being more

00:13:04.940 efficient with your body. It sounds like. Yeah. I mean, uh, what we're doing, if we get back to

00:13:09.880 where I'm stealing from is developmental kinesiology is there's natural patterns and a progression that we,

00:13:17.280 that we all learn. Okay. And it's, it's how the body functions. And so if you watch any baby

00:13:23.380 through their developmental strategy at every age, you'll see the same things happen as they move from

00:13:28.880 basically being able to be on their back to rolling to a side, to, to now being able to reach now

00:13:35.020 getting over into the crawl position, then getting into the stand position and walking. That's all

00:13:40.660 ingrained. And that's, um, it, we're born with that. And unfortunately, and this is why KMS for is

00:13:48.740 for everyone, everyone, our society today fucks that up. That's just the straight of it. I'm sitting in

00:13:56.800 this chair right now. We, we, we break down the squat and we learn how to sit, you know, um, we sit

00:14:02.580 with our high technology devices, you know, we're working on our computers, doing our texting, uh, where our

00:14:08.280 shoulders are pulled forward. We've got heightened stress levels, um, that, you know, change our

00:14:13.320 breathing patterns. And this is a big one. So it doesn't matter, you know, sitting in traffic,

00:14:18.440 you know, the, the, the boss yelling at you, the, even, even like all this technology raises and

00:14:25.060 changes. There's tons of studies that do that changes your breathing patterns. As soon as the

00:14:29.300 breathing patterns get broken, this is where a lot of this stuff starts going wrong. Because if you

00:14:35.360 look, it sounds, it sounds, Oh, it's just breathing. It's breathing. You know, trying to explain that to

00:14:40.840 a layman and the importance of it is really hard. A lot of your athletes really get it, but the

00:14:47.500 breathing is so fundamental because you look at a, look at a skeleton. Okay. And look at the mass of

00:14:55.960 the structure in there. And you'll see like all this componentry around the shoulders, the hips,

00:15:01.820 all this massive stuff. And then you'll see right in the middle, there's a big gap. There's a big gap.

00:15:09.260 There's nothing, just a few little spinal segments running between. And that is where all the breathing

00:15:16.680 comes from. But think about it. All your force transfer goes through that area. Anytime you're

00:15:22.960 throwing, running, picking your, your, you know, your feet are grounded to the floor and you're

00:15:28.780 transferring power through an extremity, such as the arm or through the shoulder, all of that is

00:15:33.920 connected through this area. And so the breathing doesn't do that. But if the breathing patterns break,

00:15:40.640 the methodology for how that structure creates rigidity and transfers power starts working improperly.

00:15:49.220 Well, let's talk about that. Cause that's, uh, you know, whenever people start, uh, lifting, uh, they,

00:15:54.120 they probably read somewhere online or in a book, like there's a certain way you're supposed to breathe.

00:15:57.600 Right. And like the most common one I've heard is like, you know, before you, uh, you, like you

00:16:02.320 inhale on the way down and then you exhale on the way out. That's like the most common thing.

00:16:07.820 Is that true? Or is there like, how do you, how should we breathe for optimal

00:16:11.180 lifting so we can have that force, that efficient force transfer?

00:16:16.360 It, it depends. It depends. Okay. So there is no fixed hour answer because during force transfer,

00:16:22.620 the breathing actually isn't important. Okay. So the breathing is the breathing is only important

00:16:27.280 because if you have dysfunctional breathing patterns, the bracing won't work. And the bracing

00:16:34.720 is how we create that rigidity for, for force transfer. They both operate with the same mechanism.

00:16:41.040 So there's a reason they break down. They both use the diaphragm. Okay. So, so if, if you've got

00:16:48.220 dysfunctional diet, you know, diaphragm for breathing, it's not going to be working properly

00:16:52.540 and integrated properly for the bracing function. So let's talk about breathing during lifting.

00:16:57.420 Cause this is, like I said, a lot of people will think, you know, if you, when I say bracing,

00:17:02.480 they're like, Oh yeah, you got to pressurize. And you think about filling up this belly with

00:17:06.640 just full of air. It's not about a big belly full of air. We'll get to that in a minute,

00:17:11.060 but the breathing depends on the threshold of the lift. So if I'm doing a maximal effort lift

00:17:16.920 or a single or a double, I'm probably not breathing at all. I brace and I hold the entire time,

00:17:23.240 but if I'm doing 20 reps, I got to keep my air going, right? Or I'm going to pass out. So,

00:17:30.120 so I may be, and the lift isn't, isn't that heavy. So I may be able to breathe in on the way down

00:17:35.520 instead of being fully braced, then, then be braced at the, the height of the peak activity

00:17:40.900 in the hole, then come up and breathe out. Or I could breathe in and out between sets or between

00:17:46.500 reps. So there's a lot of different ways there. Um, so it really isn't that important. Just

00:17:52.240 understanding it's a, it has to match the threshold of the movement that you're doing. So,

00:17:59.400 So it sounds like breathing is what allows you to brace, right? Like it's part of the components

00:18:05.120 that allows you to brace correctly for the lift. And I guess, can you explain what, what do you,

00:18:09.220 what do you mean by bracing? Like what we're, what we're trying to accomplish when we brace

00:18:12.820 ourselves for a lift? So let's be clear. Breathing and bracing are two different things.

00:18:18.860 Okay. Two different things. And you can do them independently and you can do them together.

00:18:24.660 Gotcha. Um, but they're both using the diaphragm function. So first I usually teach people to brace

00:18:31.400 with, with, uh, with use without breathing because it's, that's only using one function of the

00:18:37.980 diaphragm at a time. As you get more advanced, you can brace and breathe. Um, so this is more

00:18:43.200 advanced, but what, uh, what bracing is, this is, this is how you create rigidity. This is how you

00:18:49.720 create power. This is how you turn off those, um, that down regulation of the body. The diaphragm is

00:18:56.500 a cone shaped muscle that attaches basically at the base of the base of the rib cage. So as you breathe

00:19:02.800 in, it drives down. So it's this large cone and it drives down. So you can imagine a, if you imagine

00:19:09.420 a piston, that's really what it is. There's a piston right there. And the top of that piston

00:19:13.740 is driving down. It's basically attached to right where the sternum is. So, so as you drive down,

00:19:21.500 just like a piston, it creates pressure and that pressure needs to be working in opposition. So you

00:19:27.320 have, you have to have the pelvis rotated exactly so that the pelvic floor is directly below it in

00:19:35.480 opposition. Cause it's, if, if you've got a piston and you bend it, all that, all the pressure is

00:19:40.940 going to shoot out the side. So same thing. If you arch up, you're going to, you know, the pressure

00:19:47.720 isn't going to be going down. It's going to be going out towards the front of your belly and you don't

00:19:51.320 want that. So, so you need to, you have to have the pelvis clocked directly up and down and not have

00:19:58.420 the chest flared and be able to drive that down. So, um, we teach some strategies for doing that.

00:20:06.980 So that's, that's how you create the pressure with the diaphragm. Then the second is, like I said,

00:20:13.580 it's, it's, uh, not a belly full of air. So there's air in there that you're compressing when you do that,

00:20:18.320 but it's creating that against the outer sheath of the abdominal wall. So now you've got to make

00:20:24.600 that abdominal wall rigid. So imagine getting punched, getting punched in the belly. We call

00:20:31.620 it Okinawan strength technique. Uh, cause you will find me if you're in my gym and you're not doing it

00:20:36.540 properly and you're squatting or deadlifting, you may randomly get punched by me. It's a known fact.

00:20:42.340 Um, um, so we, we think about, you know, somebody's having some trouble there, but also,

00:20:47.900 you know, reach down and put your thumbs right in your obliques, right in the love handles right there

00:20:52.020 and inflate them, blow them up like they're balloons. Boom. Okay. And you feel that? And a lot

00:20:58.580 of people will do that with their breathing. Start practicing so that you can do it independently of

00:21:03.300 your breathing. So just push them out and then now hold them while you can breathe in and out. So now

00:21:08.140 you're using the two different functions there. So when we brace, we think about two cues. We think

00:21:13.040 about drawing down at the diaphragm or imagining that piston drawing down connected to that point

00:21:19.100 and then pushing out with the obliques and into the lower abdomen. Like you're pushing the lower

00:21:24.920 abdomen into the legs and that'll create that rigidity of that outer sheath wall and engage the, uh,

00:21:30.520 the obliques as well. So that is a braced core. Right. Now you basically, what you're doing is you're,

00:21:37.140 you're turning your, your core into like a steel rod, right? Is that what exactly? Okay. Exactly.

00:21:42.240 You want to think about it is your, your whole upper torso is like being a culvert or a telephone

00:21:47.100 pole stacked on top of your hips. So once you do this, it can't really bend anymore. Everybody with

00:21:52.420 that problem, I got to build up my erectors. I got to build up my erectors. Well, your erectors,

00:21:56.580 you know, flex and extend the back, but they actually don't create, this is what creates the

00:22:01.100 stability under load. When this, when this breaks, that's when you hurt yourself. So, so once you've

00:22:07.640 got that locked in, you can bend forward, you can bend back, but it never, you never, just like a

00:22:11.980 telephone pole, it's not going to bend if it's stacked on top of your hips. If you try to move

00:22:15.860 it, it'll snap. So, um, the other is, so we take it a step further. A lot of people don't realize the

00:22:22.680 lats are also a spinal stabilizer and this is how we get the shoulders. So if we're doing anything,

00:22:28.200 let's say pressing, squatting, anything where the power transfers through the core, we want to

00:22:33.500 engage the lats as well. And basically imagine, uh, we call it scapular, um, depression where

00:22:39.540 you're pulling the shoulders down, pulling them away from the ears. Um, but basically engage the

00:22:44.400 lats, boom, rigid. Think about doing a lap pull down if you're under a squat bar and then that will

00:22:50.360 get the shoulders plugged directly into that mechanism as well. And now you've got this extreme

00:22:55.320 rigidity and it sounds like a lot of work and it is, uh, if you do it. So if you, like I said,

00:23:00.360 if you're doing a set of 20 squats, you're not going to do it that aggressively because you're

00:23:04.860 going to wear out. Right. Right. But if you're doing one really heavy squat, but if it's so as

00:23:10.100 you advance, you're going to do it more and more and more. So by the time you, if you're working on

00:23:14.240 a max effort, this setup should actually almost be harder than the lift. If you do it correctly,

00:23:18.800 it is, you'll just go down and just pop up and like, wow, I just squatted. That was cool.

00:23:22.000 Um, so, so that's how we, that's how we engage those mechanisms. Right. So Chris, I'm trying,

00:23:29.600 I'm trying to visualize this and seeing how this, uh, this having a rigid thing will lead to a

00:23:33.400 stronger lift. I'm imagining like when we don't do these bracing principles, we're basically like

00:23:38.600 our, it's like our, our core is more like a chain, like a loose chain, right? It's a, it's a,

00:23:44.660 it's a sponge. It's a sponge. Right. And you're trying to like, if you imagine lifting heavy

00:23:48.260 with a sponge, you're not going to do it. Yep. And you're connected. I mean,

00:23:52.020 almost all of our power derives from, you know, the feet on the floor and then driving it through.

00:23:56.900 Like I said, think about most sports, you're throwing something, catching something, doing

00:24:01.160 something with the arms, but all that power has to be transferred from the feet through that big

00:24:05.920 empty space in the spine. And you don't want to transfer power through a sponge. Right. You want

00:24:11.720 a telephone pole. That is not an efficient power transfer source. Right. And then it also increases risk

00:24:15.460 of injury. But now think about the hips are connected to that. The shoulders are connected

00:24:20.920 to that. So those are our big prime movers. If we have dysfunction or a long braced core,

00:24:26.540 that's where things start going wrong downstream of that. Maybe a glute isn't firing or this adductor

00:24:31.520 is tight, like all these things. And now, oh, it changes the leg position. Oh, now we just blew out

00:24:36.140 our knee and we go to the doctor and they focus on knee surgery or doing this knee stuff.

00:24:41.300 And then now you take six months off, but you never actually fixed what was wrong. What drove it?

00:24:45.000 Right. We also see a lot of cross-functional patterns across the body. You've got

00:24:49.460 maybe left pyroformis issue and right shoulder issue. We see those type of patterns as well.

00:24:57.080 But a lot of these, you've got to chase up the chain. And this is where my string of injuries

00:25:02.600 that seemed unrelated now all made sense. It's like, oh, now I've got this cross-body string of

00:25:11.380 elbows, shoulder, you know, hip, you know, so on, uh, and start fixing that stuff. And all of a sudden

00:25:16.700 all those things just disappear and they go away. I mean, it's crazy. Cause we'll put these principles

00:25:20.760 in place with somebody that's like, I haven't been able to squat for six months because of

00:25:25.320 knee problem, back problem, whatever. Like let's work through this stuff. Boom. All of a sudden

00:25:32.420 they're like, wow, I'm squatting. I'm moving good weight. And I'm just, the pain is just gone

00:25:37.860 because we're shutting those systems down. And that's really freaking amazing. And, and, and think

00:25:44.740 about, I mean, even we, we talk about, let's say that elderly population or something that we're

00:25:49.600 saying the remedial, you know, the clinicians that I work with. So, so I speak on this stuff a lot of

00:25:54.120 times, um, to colleges, uh, some of my materials and PhD level courses. That's usually when I'm speaking

00:26:00.240 at colleges as to, uh, uh, DC students and DB, uh, uh, physical therapy students. Uh, a lot of

00:26:07.060 these people attend my seminars and stuff too. So, um, but the people, the clinicians that I work

00:26:13.320 with, if they get somebody with a back problem in their clinic, it doesn't matter who it could be a

00:26:18.480 60 year old woman. You know what? One of the first things they usually do now. What's that?

00:26:23.640 Teaching them to deadlift. Wow. Session one. I guess the common knowledge would be like, no,

00:26:29.240 they don't do that. They come in, they can't even bend over to, you know, you know, tie their,

00:26:33.980 you know, tie their shoe. They're just in extreme pain. We'll work through these methods,

00:26:39.360 bring the pain down and teach them how to deadlift a 35 pound kettlebell off the floor. And you know

00:26:44.300 what? Oftentimes you'll have somebody in tears, not from pain, but from joy because they couldn't pick

00:26:51.180 up their grandkid or their kid, or, you know, this, you know, some other life thing. Um, and that's

00:26:58.860 where I said, I'm, you can tell in this conversation, Brett, I'm, I'm really passionate about this stuff

00:27:03.800 because it, it truly is fixing something that is wrong with people in the world today. And so many

00:27:10.140 people have lost connection with the fact that we are physical beings and you need to be physically

00:27:16.080 active to be, to be both, um, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually a well person. So it's not just

00:27:26.220 physical health. It affects all those. And the people that figure that out and you take that away

00:27:30.860 from them, it, it messes with them. Right. It sounds like this stuff's really important for

00:27:36.340 lifter as they get older. Like even me, like I'm 33 and already, like, I'm like, I realize I can't do

00:27:42.020 the same thing that I did when I was 20 or 18. Yep. You're right on the cusp now of that. Uh,

00:27:47.120 this is right about the time I started figuring all that, uh, heading down this path myself.

00:27:52.440 Um, and I see this all the time, you know, I, I own a gym, I work with athletes all the time

00:27:56.280 and, uh, you know, guys in the early twenties, you know, it's, it's hard to teach them some of this

00:28:02.040 stuff because nothing hurts then. Right. When you're that age, nothing hurts. Why is this stuff

00:28:08.280 important, man? Why do I want to listen to this old guy? Uh, and, uh, as you get older,

00:28:13.760 all of a sudden it's like, some of this stuff will start coming into play, start picking up

00:28:17.660 because, you know, we don't, we don't, we don't recover the same. So you can get away with

00:28:22.740 a lot when you're younger. Um, although we do have a lot of younger athletes that push it too far

00:28:28.700 and we ended up having to rehab their backs and doing stuff like that because, because of that.

00:28:33.160 But, uh, but yes, as you age, the value of this just gets more and more important. So, um, I coach

00:28:41.900 a lot of masters lifters, a lot of 60, 70 plus lifters. And, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's,

00:28:47.580 it's an incredibly powerful tool cause it's, uh, yeah. I mean, most people that have been through

00:28:52.340 the trauma that I've been through in my, because I was, I was that young guy that didn't listen to

00:28:57.200 anybody cause I was stronger than everybody. Right. And I, you know, honestly, I'm, I'm a pretty

00:29:02.560 intelligent guy. Um, so usually I felt, you know, I was, you know, felt I was, you know,

00:29:10.120 the smartest guy in the room type thing, you know, all that ego of, you know, there. So I didn't,

00:29:14.620 I didn't listen. Why would I listen? I'm stronger, I'm smarter, you know, whatever. And, uh, so I ended

00:29:19.000 up with, I've had tons of major surgeries, all sorts of trauma. Most people that are in my situation

00:29:26.280 would have been done years ago. They wouldn't be able to train, but I'm still able to train.

00:29:31.440 Right. And, uh, and, you know, at a high level. That's awesome. Well, going back to bracing a

00:29:36.760 little bit, um, I mean, is this why you wear, why people wear belts when they lift weights? Is

00:29:41.420 that sort of like a cue for bracing? Um, yes, it certainly can be. So it definitely improves it

00:29:47.060 if you use it correctly. Some people don't use the belt correctly. Um, I like to train with and

00:29:52.220 without so that we can practice that. We've got, uh, on the KMS website, we've got tons of different

00:29:57.580 drills to teach, um, some of this postural stuff that, you know, cause if you're listening to this,

00:30:02.860 you're going, what is he talking about, about pelvis, you know, uh, pelvis orientation and

00:30:08.600 drawing down at the sternum, like none of this stuff. This is why my, my website is like all video

00:30:14.680 content because, um, it is incredibly hard to grasp without actually seeing it demonstrated.

00:30:21.720 Right. Um, but the, so the, the belt, so we try to practice this with and without the belt

00:30:27.660 because you can get better without, um, but the belt is a good cue because when you're,

00:30:32.780 when you're driving that piston down, we talked about that, that piston again, and it's creating

00:30:37.220 that pressure. What does pressure do? Pressure goes all directions. Right. So it's 360 degrees

00:30:43.220 all the way around. You're even pushing out in the back and the low back as well. Well, guess

00:30:46.980 what the belt does. The belt surrounds that area, 360 degrees. And so it's a great cue for people to

00:30:52.800 push out and against, and it will improve the bracing when done that way. Now, some people think

00:30:57.660 that the belt is the, is the, is the, is the device and they crank it on so tight that they're

00:31:03.680 actually sucked in. And if you're sucked in now, you can actually brace effectively. Right. Or they

00:31:09.140 think, or they think it's like a, it's a brace for their lower back. Like, you know, like this thing.

00:31:12.820 Exactly. That's a big, like, well, most of the belts out there, you go into a gym and

00:31:16.700 they've got this little tiny band in the front. Right. And then the big piece in the back,

00:31:20.560 because they think it's a brace for the back. And so the most important piece is actually

00:31:24.560 missing because most of the pressure is coming through the, through the front where you've

00:31:27.600 got most of the flexible tissue at. That's interesting. Well, cool. And then you go to

00:31:31.420 Home Depot and you see these, you know, the same thing, these. Right. The, the suspender

00:31:35.660 things that they wear, right? Yep. Yep. Exactly. Right. So they need, those guys at Home Depot

00:31:40.380 need to learn how to brace. Yeah. Well, actually it's, I think it's pretty well proven at this

00:31:45.100 point that, you know, wearing those devices during the work hour actually increases your

00:31:48.660 risk of injury because, you know, they keep doing it. Right. It's like, cause they're going to,

00:31:53.180 now they're going to go home and do something and they're not used to, you know, they haven't

00:31:55.960 been practicing, you know, what they need to do. They've been relying on that. And, uh, but I guess

00:32:00.920 that doesn't increase the risk for insurance for the, you know, the company because it's not an

00:32:06.040 on the job injury. That's right. That's right. Not my problem. Not my problem. Um, so we've talked

00:32:10.840 about breathing, we talked about bracing, another concept you talk or element of the, uh, kabuki

00:32:15.020 movement system is this thing you call rooting. Uh, can you explain that? Cause like, it's,

00:32:19.780 it's a term I never really saw. I've seen in the, I haven't seen that in like other strength

00:32:23.460 training literature. Yeah. So, um, we've been focused on rooting for about five years or so.

00:32:29.760 And, uh, you're, you'll start seeing, you start seeing other strength coaches talking about it now.

00:32:34.400 Um, but it's basically, you know, if you reach out and grab something with your hand,

00:32:39.820 there's a lot of engagement and stuff that happens. Um, the same thing with our feet.

00:32:44.220 Unfortunately, we lose a lot of connection with our feet cause we're walking around in

00:32:47.040 shoes all day today. But, um, how you actually apply and grab with the, with the, with the foot

00:32:53.980 to the ground actually turns on a lot of things that need. And, uh, so our basic rooting strategy

00:33:02.660 and the one I have posted publicly is our tri point strategy. And this is the stuff that you,

00:33:06.780 you'll probably start hearing other strength coaches talking about. And I'll talk about the

00:33:11.240 more advanced stuff that we're doing now that's on the KMS site. Um, but you imagine like a three

00:33:16.400 points of contact, one below the big toe, uh, one below, basically not at the big, the base of the

00:33:22.460 big toe where it's connected to the foot, same thing from the pinky toe and then the under the heel.

00:33:27.020 And if you stand and you imagine grabbing the ground with those three points, like they're

00:33:33.620 eagle talons and twisting it up, you'll feel your glutes fire up. I'm doing it. I'm doing it right

00:33:38.960 now. And I'm feeling that. Yeah. Yeah. Now, now our advanced technique goes way beyond that. Cause

00:33:44.020 that's really hard to focus on. How do I do that while I squat or while I deadlift? And it kind of

00:33:47.620 falls apart a little bit. Um, so we've got a methodology, um, stolen from a bunch of different

00:33:55.400 areas. I think it was actually originally, uh, out of ballet, but, uh, like I said, you know,

00:34:01.380 that's, uh, if it works, it works, man, you gotta use it. I steal all over. We've, we've had it in

00:34:06.800 place, uh, probably for about nine months or a year. We've been using it here, uh, and using it, uh,

00:34:15.100 it is incredibly effective and it takes it to a whole nother level. Um, and, uh, I can't really

00:34:21.740 describe it via verbiage, but I, you can sign up on the KMS website and when you do it, you'll just

00:34:28.840 feel everything in your hips and legs, just fire up and achieve perfect control of the, the leg

00:34:36.020 position. I've got an athlete in the, um, the UK right now. He just, he was just over here and, uh,

00:34:43.280 uh, he's constantly has these issues on the, on the right side. He's got knee problems. He's got

00:34:49.840 adductor problems. He's got all this. And, uh, immediately just watching the feet within a few

00:34:56.180 minutes is able to diagnose, work through. And as soon as we did, he's like, Oh my God,

00:35:00.480 I have perfect control of everything that feels so different. Like it's, it's an incredible,

00:35:05.540 incredible tool, but this is our connection to the, to the ground. I mean, think about like

00:35:10.440 football, soccer, all these things. This is where we're developing power from is that connection

00:35:14.920 and everything upstream through the hip turns on and off based on how the foot is operating.

00:35:21.260 And, uh, yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's an incredibly important piece. And, uh, so yeah, that's,

00:35:29.640 that's really, and I commend you Brett for capturing that on the KMS website. Cause you haven't been on

00:35:34.740 there that long, but the, between the bracing and the rooting, and we do some same things similar

00:35:39.480 with the hands, uh, with grip where we can turn the lats on and off with things that we're doing

00:35:43.540 with the fingers. Um, but pretty, pretty similar concepts. And, uh, yeah, that's, uh, that's where

00:35:50.700 you're, where you're grounded and connected to, uh, the power from. Right. So it sounds like the

00:35:55.340 rooting is like, it's how you take that telephone pole you've created embracing and like plant it

00:36:00.540 into the ground. Right. So it's not wobbly. Right. Yep. Yeah. And it's really, I mean, even just,

00:36:05.020 just like being aware of that and thinking about like, I want to get my feet like dug into the ground.

00:36:09.420 Uh, it makes it like, you're right. It puts things into, into, into place naturally. And like,

00:36:14.820 you feel like you have a stronger lift. It's not as wobbly, uh, when you're going down or up. Um,

00:36:19.860 and it just feels a lot stronger. Yep. Um, just, I mean, just like thinking about it. I mean,

00:36:24.340 that's the thing that blows my mind. Just like thinking, okay, I'm going to root my feet in the

00:36:28.340 ground and like it just stuff magically happens. It's really bizarre. Yep. Yeah. And you want to kind

00:36:33.560 of like think of the front of your foot, like think about as a hand, like spreading out wide.

00:36:38.340 So that's why I like, I like, uh, a shoe, uh, that's got a wide toe box in the front. So you

00:36:44.680 can really spread that out and really kind of grab the ground with it. And just think about that same

00:36:50.340 thing, you know, similar thing. Uh, anytime we're under load, we definitely never want to have,

00:36:54.900 if we think about this, the Bosu ball or lack of stability, we never want to have, um, you know,

00:37:01.420 uh, you know, basically a cross trainer or something that's a running shoe, something that's

00:37:06.820 actually built to absorb shock. You want something that's pretty solid, right? So, um, flat shoe or

00:37:13.400 like a weightlifting shoe or something like that. Yeah. You know, a boot, a Converse, uh, there's a

00:37:18.920 lot of different shoes out there now that are just a solid, solid soul. Right. Um, yeah. Okay. And,

00:37:26.320 uh, well, Hey, Chris, I mean, I'm curious if you could maybe like, like, can you take us through

00:37:30.860 maybe a few cues, like for, like you're setting up for a squat? Um, like what would be just some

00:37:35.860 like basic cues that a guy should go through, um, before he starts living? So he's set up in the

00:37:41.540 most optimal position. Okay. So the, the cues that I would go through and this would be, uh,

00:37:49.060 um, you've got, you've already walked up, you've got the bar on your back. Okay. And you're ready

00:37:57.880 to squat. All right. So cue number one is going to be draw down at the sternum. Okay. Then inflate

00:38:07.960 the obliques. Okay. Now we're going to take the bar like a lap pull down and we're going to bend it

00:38:14.380 over our back. Now you've got to be very aware of not losing that chest position when you do it.

00:38:20.260 Cause the lats are going to try to pull your chest forward. If you're engaging them hard. So you need

00:38:24.780 to fight that. So you need to hold the, get, that's where we get the brace first before we engage the

00:38:29.980 lats. Okay. And then from there, you can think about twisting the floor up. Um, the more advanced

00:38:38.000 cue, I can't really go through in verbiage. You got to see it. Uh, but, uh, you twist the floor up.

00:38:43.960 You want to turn the glutes on. You basically want to imagine you're in this standing finished

00:38:48.220 position. So it's, uh, you can think about standing tall where you're driving your heels

00:38:53.260 through the ground. You've got your quads flexed, your glutes flexed, you're twisting that floor up.

00:38:56.920 Okay. And now you're just going to sit back between your legs and that's it. That's it. So there's

00:39:03.840 usually a whole lot of other cues that people have from there, but if you can't take care of all those

00:39:07.780 basic fundamental things, this will make a beautiful looking squat. So awesome. So cue one,

00:39:13.960 um, we're going to draw down, draw down the sternum. We're going to inflate, inflate the obliques.

00:39:22.740 We're going to bend the bar over our back. Number three. Okay. We're going to twist the floor up.

00:39:28.380 Number four, number five, we're just going to sit back between our legs. Okay. That's awesome. That's

00:39:35.300 really cool. So, yeah. And I've tried this and it, it, it helps. Like it's amazing. Just like

00:39:39.960 following those cues through your mind, it can really help out a lot. Um, well, here's what I

00:39:43.860 thought was interesting too. You have some counterintuitive things in there. So for example,

00:39:49.040 that I saw was, um, in your squatting curriculum or your squatting, uh, schema you have, uh, is working

00:39:57.000 on shoulder mobility, right? Scapular exercises for the squat. And I think a lot of people will say

00:40:02.700 like what, what squats and it's a leg, it's a leg exercise. Why do I need to be mobile in my shoulders

00:40:08.740 to have a good squat? So how are, how is scapular flex, you know, flexibility going to translate to

00:40:14.400 a better squat? Good, good question. Um, so it's all about achieving the best, uh, posture and position

00:40:24.240 possible. So before I squat, I'm definitely not going to do like mobility work on the hips or

00:40:31.300 hamstrings or quads or anything that's actually moving, but I'm going to, I'm going to allow myself

00:40:36.480 to get in better position. If my shoulders are tight and I'm trying to get under that bar,

00:40:40.620 what's going to happen is it's going to make my chest flare up. Then I'm going to lose my bracing.

00:40:44.860 Okay. So it's all about what's allowed me to get in the best position, or I may have my elbows behind

00:40:51.260 me. So if my elbows are winging, as we call it, they're, they're sticking out behind me and driving

00:40:58.080 forward, uh, I'm not going to be able to draw down on that bar and engage the lats. So the mobility

00:41:03.640 work is all about allowing us to get in position to maximize the cueing strategy for the performance

00:41:10.340 of the lift. So yeah, shoulder mobility work before squatting is, is, uh, tremendous in being able to do

00:41:19.480 that unless you're, you know, if you're a hypermobile person, then you probably don't have a whole lot to

00:41:23.620 worry about there. Um, but, uh, yeah, that's, uh, that's, that's the concept there is basically

00:41:28.860 allowing us to be able to get into those positions so that we can maximize the performance.

00:41:34.040 And I imagine that's the shoulder mobility for squat is an issue for a lot of men who work at a

00:41:38.900 computer all day and they're hunched over. Like, that's a problem for me. Like, so for example,

00:41:42.500 like every morning, like before I even get under the bar, like, I know you have the, the, I use like

00:41:47.620 the Hindu clubs, you know, spear mace thing and like, you know, swing that around. I know you have a,

00:41:53.500 a device that you've built. I forgot the shoulder rock, the shoulder rock. You need to, if you're

00:41:57.700 using the, how long is your Indian club, by the way? It's pretty long. I mean, it's like, I don't

00:42:01.820 know, like four feet or three feet long. Okay. If it's three feet, you get back to me. I'm going

00:42:06.840 to get you a shoulder rock. Almost everyone on the market is designed incorrectly. Okay. It needs

00:42:11.260 to be close to four feet because the weight needs to swing right directly behind your, uh, behind your

00:42:16.380 knee. Almost everyone that I've ever seen is designed incorrectly based on the classical use of it.

00:42:21.820 And actually it's, well, clinical use now, um, since we're, we're talking about the shoulder

00:42:26.900 rock. Right. Um, but, uh, anyway, sorry to get off on. No, no. Yeah. That's awesome. Because

00:42:31.480 like it, I mean, it's just, cause I have a problem if I don't do that, like getting under the bar,

00:42:35.980 like it hurts. Like, cause like my shoulder, cause I'm, I'm hunched over all day. And so like,

00:42:40.680 it's just like Matt, now my, and again, it affects not only my shoulder mobility, but like my chest

00:42:44.440 is like super inflexible as well. And so I have to open all that up before I can even get under

00:42:48.140 the bar. Exactly. And so if you don't do that, then you lose like all that bracing position.

00:42:53.660 And now next thing you know, you're squatting and you don't have that core. And all of a sudden

00:42:58.520 you're, you bend over. Now you're lifting with a loaded flexion. Boom. You blow a disc. Um, you know,

00:43:06.200 it, that's just, that's just the train of things that can happen when we don't do that. So, um,

00:43:12.000 and let alone let's take out the injury risk. You're just not going to be able to lift as much

00:43:15.220 because you're not able to engage that stuff the way that you want to. Right. I always have to

00:43:18.760 remember some people just go, Oh yeah, yeah. I'm not going to hurt myself. So I always have to sell

00:43:22.420 on the, uh, you know, you're going to lift more. Right, right, right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Then yes,

00:43:26.380 I will do that. Um, so yeah, I mean a lot, so a lot of this is about improving lifts, but then you also

00:43:30.700 have these, um, uh, exercises like little small mobility drills, uh, that can help different lifts. Um,

00:43:38.360 um, I'm curious that it's for like rehab prehab type things. Um, so when should someone do this

00:43:46.820 stuff? Right. We're talking, I mean, I get, you have like the shoulder rock and doing some

00:43:50.520 like soldier, shoulder mobility. You have some drills on there too. Um, do you do this before

00:43:55.680 you work before your training session? Do you do them on rest days? Like when should you incorporate

00:44:00.200 the sort of mobility work? So one of the things, um, one of the things that, uh, I really want to

00:44:08.220 clarify is the difference between stability work and mobility work. Okay. So, um, a lot of people

00:44:14.820 don't understand because they think, Oh, if you strength train, you got to balance it and do your

00:44:19.380 mobility work. So anytime you have a joint that's getting tight, understand that there is something

00:44:25.600 wrong with your movement. Some, your body is creating a protective measure

00:44:31.180 and tightening up that joint to reduce your risk of injury. So if you have to do mobility work,

00:44:38.000 you are doing triage work. You need to figure out what is wrong with the movement and what is driving

00:44:44.700 that to happen. So, so actually most of the work, I've got a few mobility drills, but I try not to focus

00:44:50.580 on mobility work on the KMS website. Cause there's so much content out there on mobility work. It's

00:44:56.400 really hot right up in Google. You can get on Kelly's stare at site. You can do, there's tons of stuff on

00:45:02.680 mobility work out there. So a lot of our stuff is really about bringing postural awareness,

00:45:09.440 firing patterns and stability. So this is something that everybody doesn't discuss in the mobility world.

00:45:14.840 You have to have the joint stabilized before you start working mobility. So, um, that said,

00:45:24.960 uh, we try not to overdo it. So we never want anybody doing about more than 10 or 15 minutes

00:45:29.020 worth of prep work. And that prep work should actually speed up your workout. So, um, if we're

00:45:36.580 doing mobility work, if you've got to do the triage work, um, like I said, and it's not, like I said,

00:45:43.220 we may do shoulder mobility works, a quick few drills before squatting, but if your hips,

00:45:49.560 you know, are having issues and you're working on hip mobility for your squatting, you would do that

00:45:54.320 maybe the day before or at the end of the other workout. So you do it on off days. Um, so what we

00:46:02.220 do is we try to have about 10 minutes work of basically primer work before the, um, before the

00:46:09.520 main lift. So if we take squatting, for example, we'll do basically fire movement drills that are

00:46:15.620 working on increasing stability and the firing pattern. So we may do things like, uh, some rear

00:46:21.820 leg elevated split squats, some goblet squat, things of that nature with really focused on the,

00:46:28.260 the cueing and awareness before squatting should take less than 10 minutes and should actually speed

00:46:33.460 your workup out workout up by 10 minutes. So net effect should be nothing. Then on an off day,

00:46:40.620 if we're working on core stability, we may have 15 or 20 minutes dedicated to doing some other drills

00:46:47.280 that are bringing either actually working on core stability. So we've got a whole like dead bug

00:46:51.300 sequence. Um, um, or you may be doing some postural awareness. So we've got, um, some movements in there.

00:46:59.420 So usually you've got three or four movements that you may be doing on an off day that are trying to

00:47:04.860 reinforce that sort of stuff. So we would do basically 10 minutes worth of fire and work to

00:47:11.000 prep you for a movement on the training day and three or four movements on an off day, uh, that are

00:47:17.720 focused on things that you need to develop or postural awareness. Um, and that's, that's, that's pretty

00:47:25.600 much yet. Uh, an advanced athlete that's got really clean movement may only have a couple items. So

00:47:30.560 it's, it's a little bit variable, but, uh, we try not to exceed 10 minutes and, uh, 15, 20 minutes on

00:47:35.460 off days. Awesome. So not a lot of time. That's great. Cause I think a lot of people, they, they

00:47:38.520 approach this, like I had to spend an hour a day on my mobility. And that's a big frustration for me

00:47:42.820 because it's, and that's, uh, because I see this all the time, especially with the people, the crowd

00:47:48.160 that's really focused on mobility, where they'll come in and do mobility work for 45 minutes and then

00:47:52.520 have 30 minutes to train. And it's like, you're, you're totally missing the point, right? You've

00:47:58.360 got to, you've got to do the training part too. Right. And it's like, I mean, even like if I do

00:48:02.420 it on off day and it's like, yeah, here's this 45 minute routine, like, I don't want to do that.

00:48:05.720 Like, I don't, I don't have time for that. Okay. Well, cool. Well, Hey, Chris, this has been a great

00:48:10.820 conversation. Where can folks learn more about the Kabuki movement system? Um, there's a, uh,

00:48:17.160 there's a link on our store, which is Kabuki strength.com. Um, there'll also be, uh, pretty

00:48:26.780 shortly. We'll have a new website up there that will have, uh, tons of, uh, contributors, a lot

00:48:32.200 of clinical evidence-based, uh, material that's going to be going on there. We've got some pretty

00:48:35.900 amazing, uh, contributors lined up for our site right now. It's just a store, but there'll be a

00:48:40.800 link to the movement site. The movement site itself is www.kabuki.ms. So that's K-A-B-U-K-I.ms

00:48:53.400 for movement systems. And I have a special offer for all your listeners. Sweet. So, um, I've got 50%

00:49:02.400 off the initiation, uh, for every, for your listeners, if they use the code art dash manliness.

00:49:12.000 Awesome. Well, we'll throw that up on the site as well. Um, and, uh, I'll repeat it in my outro.

00:49:18.000 All right. Excellent. Well, Hey, Chris Duffin, thanks so much for your time. It's been a pleasure.

00:49:22.120 It has. Thanks for having me on again, Brett. I'm really glad that, uh, you've enjoyed the site

00:49:26.040 and, uh, take a look at your, uh, your club and get back to me. I want to hear, uh, hear about it.

00:49:31.400 If not, I'd like to introduce you to the shoulder rock. I would, yeah, I'd love to do that. Thanks so

00:49:35.640 much. My guest today was Chris Duffin. You can find out more information about his Kabuki movement

00:49:39.800 systems at kabuki.ms. That's K-A-B-U-K-I.ms. And you can file, follow his training at kabukiwarrior.com.

00:49:49.460 Also be sure to check out the show notes for this podcast at AOM.IS slash Duffin.

00:49:56.560 Well, that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness podcast. For more manly tips and

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The Art of Manliness - July 31, 2025

#187： Improving Strength & Durability With the Kabuki Movement System

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