#192： Becoming Batman
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Summary
In this episode of the Art of Manliness podcast, filmmaker Brett C. Cotterill discusses why Batman is such an enduring superhero and how he s inspired a millionaire to dress up like Batman and visit kids in the hospital and a child psychologist to start using comic books to teach troubled children about resilience and courage, and we also discuss Brett s unique way of showing these films so that he can raise money for charity.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast so some have said
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that comic book superheroes is modernity's version of the great greek myths and just as
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ancient greeks use the stories of achilles or odysseus or hercules as guides on how to live
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their lives many modern individuals who grew up on superhero stories have found inspiration in them
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on how to live a heroic life even if they're just regular joe blows well my guest day on the podcast
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is a documentarian who has created films about real life people who have been inspired by comic
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book heroes to do good in their own lives his name is brett culp and he's the director of one film
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called legends of the night which looks at how the batman legend has transformed people's lives
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as well as the forthcoming documentary called look to the sky and today's podcast brett and i discuss
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why batman is such an enduring superhero and how he's inspired you know a millionaire to dress up
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like batman and visit kids in the hospital and a child psychologist to start using comic books to
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teach troubled children about you know skills like resilience and courage and we also discuss brett's
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unique way of showing these films so that he can raise money for charity so if you love comic books
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you're gonna love this podcast even if you're not a big fan of comic books you're gonna enjoy it's a
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really uplifting story be sure to check out the show notes for links to resources mentioned during
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the show you can find them at aom.is slash culp and as always if you enjoy the podcast please
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consider giving us a review on itunes or stitcher brett culp welcome to the show oh it's a pleasure to
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be here thanks for inviting me and it's always wonderful to connect with another guy with a
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great name all right yeah brett it's it is an awesome name so you're a filmmaker particularly you
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do documentaries right and two of the documentaries you've done have been about superheroes but it's
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it's different it's not about the superheroes themselves it's more about how these superheroes
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comic book superheroes have had have influenced people uh to you know inspire them to go out and
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do good themselves so i'm curious i mean how did you decide to explore this topic of how childhood
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comics would be here particularly batman and superman uh inspire people to go do good themselves
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well it's you know it's actually a very personal story for me when when my i have two boys and my
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youngest son judah when he was in kindergarten he started to have some challenges emotional mental
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relationships social um and so we started he went through some tests and we finally ended up in
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the experts office and she started saying things to us based on the test results she was seeing
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using words like autism and sensory processing disorder and uh attention attention deficit and all
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these different things uh that i kind of had a sense of but i didn't really understand and but but then
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she took it a step further and she said you know and based on this information here's jude here's what
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you can expect for judah's life you know he's never gonna excel in school he's never gonna you know
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do well in you know relationships he's never really gonna be able to achieve things he's never really
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gonna have a job and we went through all this stuff with her and we walked out got in the car and my
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wife looked over at me and said that is a lie that that's a lie about our son that is not true that is
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not who he is i don't believe that and we we had this expert paint a picture for us about what our
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son was going to be but we chose as a family to see a very different picture and that picture was of
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our son as a superhero standing on the top of the swing set wind blowing through his cape looking out
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into the distance into the person that he would become and the good he would do in the world
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and i think that time for me put this really thing in my gut about it's not just my son it's
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that all of us have the capacity to be a superhero and that was the story i wanted to live out in my
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family but i also wanted to empower people and make them feel like they could do it too and so i'm a
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filmmaker that's my voice that's my place where i can speak to the world and so i think even though i
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didn't understand all the pieces of it at the time i was really drawn to the idea of making a movie that
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said you know we all can be superheroes and even if we're broken and hurt and have gone through
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difficulties even if we don't feel like we have superpowers we have that ability and that launched
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me down a filmmaking journey of making what what ultimately became the documentary film legends of
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the night all right so legends of the night that's about batman that's right how did you start
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why did you start off with batman well batman is for many people the most identifiable superhero for
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the classic cliche that he's the superhero with no superpowers uh and you can say he's a billionaire
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and that's his superpower but the bottom line is he's just a guy and and i think we connect with that i
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think you know we look at our own lives and say you know hey i'm just a guy and and the power of batman
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is also the bruce swing character that he came out of brokenness you know that he's this little kid
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that experiences the worst possible thing you can experience the loss of his parents at a very
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important age in his development and i think he could have easily gone very internal with that pain
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and he could have said you know look at this terrible hand i was dealt in life and you know i've
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got all this money and i've got all this power he could just be sitting in his house with beautiful
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girls playing video games eating doritos all day but he doesn't do that he does the opposite
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instead he says you know what i am going to devote my life to making sure that nobody else goes through
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what i went through i'm going to try to help people i'm going to use this pain as a catalyst
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as an inspiration and motivation to do good in the world and you can debate whether or not there's
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some insanity in that there probably is but we're all a little insane you know we all in genius there's
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always a little bit of insanity and so i think we connect to batman because we want to look at our
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own lives and say i am broken i have gone through difficulty i have gone through pain but i believe deep
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in my gut that these difficulties i've been through can ultimately become the motivation and strength
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to to turn me not only into a superhero but for me to use that as a superpower to help other people
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right so yeah i like that idea about he didn't batman didn't go inward because a lot of times like
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you know people who have depression one of the things that therapists talk about is that if you
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start renumerating like just like going internal and just thinking about your like you just get more
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depressed but when you have like an external locus you know when you look at others and you start
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helping others like that's actually one of the best ways to help your depression exactly to to engage
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you know we we tend to want to withdraw as you just said but the truth of life is that the beauty
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is in the engagement and it's messy you know relationships are not easy uh connection is not
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easy but that's the those are the beautiful spaces of life awesome so let's talk about some of the people
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you interviewed in the documentary um so starting off with um is michael uselin yeah michael uselin and that
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was one of the most exciting interviews we got to do because michael is the guy who as a child
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really had a vision of bringing a more dark and serious batman you know to the screen so you know
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i mean if you grew up you know in the 80s um you know your first exposure to batman might have been
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tim burton's right uh you know michael 19 1989 you know michael keaton jack nicholson batman movie
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but for generation before that it was adam west and corny and silly and batman was kind of a joke
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but michael uselin had this vision of bringing a very dark and serious batman to the world and he
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fought for 10 years in hollywood as a movie producer to get that movie made and and it finally
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happened and really because of michael we have this vision of batman that is very different than what
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the generation before us had um and really that whole michael's work i mean i can i don't say this in
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the film but i can say it pretty unabashedly today michael's work on batman 1989 is what created this
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superhero culture we're living in today because that's when hollywood started to see this was big
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money there was big money in superheroes and so now you know now we're proliferated with superhero
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movies and if you're mad about that blame blame michael uselin right and i mean so i mean what was his
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large i mean why did he want to bring this sort of darker edgier batman what was his like
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larger mission with with the franchise you know i mean in the movie and in the interview that i had
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with him he pretty much says that you know when he was a kid and this television show came on and
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everybody was laughing at batman that was like a personal offense to him he had like grown up
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loving batman as a comic book character and those stories were much more dark and serious and he was
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mad that people were making fun of batman and he had this vision of kind of redeeming the character
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um taking it back to its its roots on some level and so it was like a personal mission for him to to do
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that and he was practically laughed out of hollywood because of it in fact you see in the movie dc comics
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didn't even want to sell it to him because they thought batman was dead they thought it was a stupid
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you know it was done that nobody wanted batman anymore and so i think it was a very personal
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mission i think what i love about the way we told his story in legends of the night is you see
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this very personal journey he went on he had on some level kind of become batman to get that movie made
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right yeah i mean he like he's he sunk he like sunk his fortune into it like he did he put some skin
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in the game he rolled the dice so there's a lot of pieces of his story that we left out but it was
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kind of like one of those things where if this hadn't happened he would have been a laughingstock
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in hollywood his career probably would have been done and he would have financially potentially been
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done as well and so he took a huge risk right so we have him to think for like dark knight rises as
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batman begins you bet you he's the executive producer on all those movies and and when you see
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batman superman in march he will be listed as the executive producer of that movie as well okay so yeah
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michael he had a lot to do with saving batman from the zip pow wow blammy uh batman i remember
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watching those as a kid and they were they were fun but yep it was really jokey um so let's talk about
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some of these other people who they also grew up watching batman or reading batman comics and these
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are just these aren't movie producers these are just regular folks who decided like they wanted to
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actually become batman that's right and not just like you know follows the example about doing good
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but like they became batman and two of the characters i thought were really great uh was
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lenny and i guess he just died which is he did he did it was so sad for me when it happened last year
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oh my goodness tell us a little bit about lenny because he has an interesting story because this
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guy he he's sort of he was sort of like bruce wayne he had he was a successful businessman yep uh had
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lots he was like had lots of money but he decided to become the batman for a good cause that's right
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that's right i mean he he had this thing happen where he attended a children's hospital event
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rented a batman costume and went and he saw the magic of how these kids responded to it and he kind
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of felt like it was a calling really i mean he he kind of almost mentally engaged with how people
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symbolically would see batman uh as a protector as a friend as a you know something like that and so
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he kind of got just really emotionally jazzed about that and when he sold a business uh that he had spent
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his career working on he decided to take some time off and just took like a year of his life and this
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is all he did uh you know he bought he built this amazing batmobile that he traveled around the country
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with he visited children's hospitals all over the u.s and canada um as batman and you know then gave
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these kids presents and it was really i got to go with him to three different hospitals in film
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and just watching i mean even for me i mean i think we captured some level of it in the documentary but
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even for me as a person just following him around to these three hospital visits it was just like
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this is magical what's going on here the way these kids are responding the way it's it's really like
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they're they are for a moment all of the mess they're in all of the difficulty it just like
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disappears for a minute and all they're experiencing is this symbolic batman image in their hospital room
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and so it really was a powerful thing and i think you kind of feel it as you watch his story in the
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in legends of the night right yeah i mean i i got a little teary-eyed watching it's like you know
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it's amazing like it's not only the kids but like the the parents and the adults like they actually
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like you could tell like for a minute there like there's like moments where like they suspended
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belief they're like this is actually batman yes yes yes yeah it's a weird thing where you know
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when he would when i was filming with him and i'd walk around with him for an hour or so and then he'd
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walk into another room and take off the mask and now he was lenny again there was something in me that
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was like no no no you know what i mean this is not he's batman no he's not lenny you know it was
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really there's something magical in that yeah obviously had the power of the symbol of batman
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uh-huh that's right batman is a symbol like that's right he means something to me from my childhood
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and i know you transfer it into those spaces right and then the other character not a character he's a
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person um we don't know his real name uh he's the petaluma batman oh my goodness and that that's
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the greatest thing so so this guy when he was like 18 years old he like as kind of a dare as a joke
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you know dressed up like batman and went and did some good in in his community of petaluma california
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and the people just loved it and he just kept doing it and so this guy petaluma batman when he
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was 18 19 uh he's now retired so you can't see him anymore he's kind of done uh i think he went off
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to college and i to this day nobody there was only like five people in the community that actually knew
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who he was he kept his identity a secret he didn't tell anybody i don't know who he is i had to have him
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sign some you know relief document but then i took that document folded it in half put it in a
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folder and never looked at it because i wanted to retain the magic of that personally as a filmmaker
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and so he just goes around the city doing good things he shows up at special events in the
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community he raises money for charity uh he helps people he had a huge facebook group where people
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would post needs and he would share them and he would help and he's he's wearing this like you know
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it's it's a great it's great that you brought up these two stories because they are really the
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opposite ends of the spectrum here you got lenny who's a millionaire successful business guy
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running around in this perfect you know replica costume and hundred thousand dollar batmobile and
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all of this stuff and then on the other hand you got petaluma batman who's this high school kid
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wearing a t-shirt he got a kmart and a mask from walmart you know this cheapy little plastic mask
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and he's running around doing good in his community on an electric scooter on an electric scooter
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right this little electric scooter that halfway through the night always runs out of charge and
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he has to push it around for the rest of the night you know i i think the contrast in there is a
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beautiful image of even how batman and the superhero spirit can be in our own life you can start
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wherever you are and be whoever you are and still channel that superhero spirit wherever you you don't
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have to wait till later you can start now right and what i love about petaluma batman is like
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again even though his like outfit was sort of like chintzy like the community embraced it like
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this is batman like that's right i think you even mentioned like the high school kids just ate it up
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they kind of became a status symbol to like get your picture taken with the petaluma batman so you
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can share on instagram or snapchat or whatever yep yep yep that's right oh it did it did and they
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loved him they loved him in that community they would do news reports about him um you know he was
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and he's a super cool guy super cool again i never saw him without his mask but that's the way it's
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supposed to be i think right exactly so this was interesting um i think it's kind of maybe this is
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where your personal story connects uh on a real visceral level um with the documentary but i thought
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it was interesting there's there's there's a psychologist out there who uses comic books but
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specifically batman comic books yeah in his therapy for children and teens um i thought that was pretty
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cool can you tell us a bit more about this guy and what what he's doing with the batman comics to help
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children and teens with whatever issues they might have yeah so dr patrick o'connor when i filmed him
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he was based in charlotte north carolina at a practice called southeast psych but now he is actually
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teaching in chicago so he's he's in the chicago area as a teacher and um you know there has been
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this whole movement recently and i i i got into it when i started into this film and i thought it was
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kind of a fluke filming patrick who was essentially what he was doing was bringing these comic books
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into therapy with young people particularly teenage boys in particular who were having trouble accessing
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their feelings and so when he would get to a root he created this entire index which is still free
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online it's called comicspedia and you can just google comicspedia and find it and he has listed
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hundreds of comics based he's referenced them based on the psychological things they talk about and so
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when he would sit with a client and he would realize okay they're having an issue with this
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rather than diving into it he would say well you know he would pull up his database and pull out a
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batman comic and say just sit here for a minute and read this batman comic because you can read a
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comic book in just a few minutes really they're pretty short read this comic and then after we're done
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let's talk about it and essentially what he was doing was using story and storytelling as a way of
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creating safety for people to to to get in touch with their own emotions because it's much safer to
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project your own experiences and feelings onto another character than it is sometimes to talk
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about them yourself and so that's what he was doing and i've since learned in the process of
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sharing legends of the night uh over the past couple of years that there are lots of therapists and
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different people that use that sort of storytelling therapy to help help people it was just unique that
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patrick was using batman in particular uh because he's he's a character that a lot of teenagers relate
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to right i thought that was an interesting uh thread you had uh woven throughout the documentary the
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idea of the power of story and you get a bunch of academics on there talking about how story can
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transform lives yes and the batman story is like it's alive i mean we think it was like this silly
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comic book thing but it really is like it's like this it follows sort of like the meta myths that
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are woven in throughout all the great myths of human history yes and like i think you interviewed
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john gotchell who we've had on the podcast and he mentioned that oftentimes we think of comic books
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and fiction as a way to escape but he says actually no that's not what's going on like we're actually
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figuring life out with stories i like what what jonathan talks about about story being like a a virtual
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reality simulator it allows us the opportunity to feel and experience things without having the risk
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of doing it ourselves so you know that's why we connect with certain stories you know you watch a
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movie and it makes you cry because you know or have some certain heightened emotion uh because you think
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to yourself what would i do if i was in that situation how would i behave would i be like that this guy
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over here that's kind of the judas character who betrays everybody and is the weak character or would
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i be the strong character that you know is the hero in this situation and what we want to be as you go
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through that virtual you know reality simulator we all then want to get to the end feeling empowered
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and strengthened that we would be that hero and so it gives us the opportunity to kind of emotionally
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mentally even spiritually sort of live that out without the risk of making a wrong decision in real life
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that's awesome um so you not only highlight people who are doing good in the film but you actually
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did some good uh when you released this film can you tell us a little bit about the the charity aspect
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of whenever you released uh legends of the night yeah so you know after after we finished this film
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you know there's this typical path you're supposed to take with an independent film which includes film
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festivals and sales agents and distributor negotiations and all this stuff and i got to the end of it
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and was really feeling like you know i want this to be more than a business interaction or engagement i want
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there to be something about the way we distribute this that is in the spirit of of the movie that expresses
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the message of the movie that we all can be superheroes and so we we worked with a um a distributor a
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theatrical distributor called tug and what tug allows people to do is to request screenings of movies
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in their local theater um and you can do it with classic movies and famous movies from the past and all
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that kind of stuff but you can also do it with independent films and so our idea was to let to
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essentially put our movie on tug as like a first way of releasing it and let people request screenings of
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the movie at their local theater with the idea behind it be you request the screening
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and then pick a charity and we will give our companies proceeds from that screening to the charity you
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choose and then what we encourage them to do is to engage get the charity engaged with the screening as
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well so that the charity can get some exposure some pr sign up some volunteers so it wasn't just a you know
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a money maker because we kind of envisioned it like hey you know maybe you're going to just make a few
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hundred dollars for this charity off ten dollar you know movie ticket sales but that that you could
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really help the people that attend engage and inspire them to essentially say after the movie hey if you
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left this movie feeling inspired to be a superhero like batman you can connect with this charity right here
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and help them sign up right now make a donation whatever you want to do and so we threw that out to the
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world we had no idea what would happen uh whether people would want to do that but they did and it was
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really an incredible experience the film has now played in over a hundred cities around the world through this
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distribution option that and it's still continuing to go on um we've raised uh that that effort has raised over
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eighty thousand dollars for charitable organizations doing a variety of things all over the world and again it's
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continuing there's a screening that's happening in bristol in the united kingdom that got scheduled
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for may it's sold out in seven days 250 seats they've now scheduled three more screenings so that's still
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going on because even though legends of the night is now on netflix and itunes and hulu here in the u.s
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it's not on those platforms in europe so the only way still to see it in europe is to is through creating a
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theatrical event so anyway we've just been it's been an incredible experience and one that once we
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went through that we were like we want to continue this we don't just want this to be a one-off we want
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to keep pushing ahead with this that's that's really great i love that um so it seems like after you did
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legends of the night like you got bit by the superhero bug yeah and now you're working on superman
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so you know this movie the next movie is that we're that i'm in production on right now is called
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look to the sky and it's a little bit of a different twist because this movie is not about
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people that were influenced by superman it's just about people young people particularly all these
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people are young people who have demonstrated the spirit of superman or the superhero spirit
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it's kind of a movie about it's really at its core whereas legends of the night was kind of a movie
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about story and how storytelling works this is really a movie about hope uh you know we look at the
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world and everything looks so dark and so depressing and you know i i hesitate even to open my facebook
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feed some days to see what people are going to be posting about politics or something terrorism or
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shooting or something going on in the world and it starts to make you feel like man this is just
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what's going on i'm depressed just watching what's going on in the world around me and so our goal
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would look to the sky is to restore some hope and to help people reconnect with hope by seeing the
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stories of young people who have overcome difficulties who have helped their communities
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who've really done some amazing things because children you know young people they're the future
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of who we're going to be and so our goal is to create a movie where people can spend you know 80
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minutes engaged with those kinds of stories and hopefully walk away feeling like you know what
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there is just so much positivity in the world so many wonderful things it's about where you choose
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to focus and i think when we choose to bring those kind of hopeful stories into our lives
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then it multiplies into the world that's great i mean i know we don't want to do any spoilers uh too
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much the film hasn't out yet but i mean can you highlight maybe talk about one of the the young
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people you uh interview or highlight in the the film sure sure so that the the the trailer for
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that movie is is on our website and you can get a sense of some of that by going to our website
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risinghero.org but but yeah i mean there's a couple of great stories on there i mean one about a
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a boy a young boy who you know was was in the mountains with a small group of people and a younger
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boy fell in the water and the rapids like took him down i mean it was really a potentially
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life-threatening situation and this you know 10 year old boy without hardly even thinking about it
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just jumps in the water and saves this kid's life you know that kind of act of bravery and
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unselfishness we're used to living in a world where we don't think that's really going on but it is
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uh and that story is a example of of you know a young person risking his life to save another
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person's life it's really a beautiful story we also um have a great story in there about a young
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lady who went through some bullying uh because of a condition she has called alopecia where she
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lost all of her hair uh when she was in middle school and it was really like an emotionally
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devastating thing for her went through a lot of bullying but ultimately became it became like kind
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of a empowering thing for her where she kind of really learned who she was and found her own
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identity and now she she really has this mission called natural day where she encourages other young
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people to be who they are to be themselves to embrace who they are and not to feel like they
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have to conform to something it's really a very beautiful superhero story and young people who have
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done good who've given up their birthday you know instead to you know for the for money going to
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presence to go to feed a school in haiti and i just got back from haiti from a trip to haiti with
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this young girl who'd helped the school there and so i mean these stories are just the best of the
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human spirit they're the they express who we want to be and how we want to live and how we want our
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kids to live and i hope it'll provide a lot of inspiration for people it sounds like an antidote to
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cynicism it does it does that's what i hope it will be and you know for me as a filmmaker i want to just
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share what i've been experiencing and seeing from these films yeah so uh you're a busy guy because
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not only are you working on this is in production you have another film in production yeah yeah which
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is really interesting to me because as it's it's about fathers and daughters yeah um and i've got a
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two-year-old daughter yeah um and so this when i watched the trailer it really hit home for me so
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can you tell us a little bit about the film a voice that carries yeah yeah a voice that carries which
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we're just starting production on now um is really our goal with that film is to empower fathers to
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engage with their daughters in a in a really positive way um you know the research is showing
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that you know some fathers their mindset particularly with their daughter is that oh well it's you know
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it's really the job of a mother type figure to really you know be the influence but what the
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research is showing is that a father's engagement interaction affirmation is just as powerful if not
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sometimes more powerful in in the development of a young girl and her sense of confidence her sense of
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identity her sense of strength and empowerment and so you know that's our goal with the film we're
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going to tell the stories of some fathers and daughters who have really either gone through
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difficulties or worked through something or done something amazing but the goal of the movie
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is to show how deep and how powerful that relationship can be how impactful it can be
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and hopefully inspire and motivate fathers of daughters of all ages to really engage and to also give them
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some tools some equipping um some insights as to how they can do that in a way because i know some
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fathers are get they get uncomfortable you know particularly when their daughters become teenagers or
00:30:27.720
preteens it's like i don't know what to do here and so you know our hope is that they'll walk away not only
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motivated to to really stay in that relationship um mentally and emotionally but also give them some
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valuable insights and and inspirations to where they can they can do that so uh our goal with that film
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so so look to the sky is a little further ahead we're looking at releasing that for these charity screenings
00:30:52.060
like we did the legends of the night in early 2017 um and then uh we're targeting uh for father's day
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of 2017 with a voice that carries so uh we'll see that's just starting up now but that's that's our
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hope and where did you get the idea to start exploring because you know i guess do you have
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daughters you just have two sons no i have two sons this particular film i'm partnering with an
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organization called southeast psych i mentioned them a little while ago but they're a they're a huge
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psychology practice in uh in charlotte north carolina and this was actually we've worked
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together on some things and they're actually also production partners uh working with me on look
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to the sky and um they presented me with this idea and said we'd love to do this so this is in many
00:31:37.080
ways really a partnership between the two of us uh creating this i'm kind of providing the creative
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vision but they're providing a lot of behind the scenes um uh background work to make the film a
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reality and and i i'm i'm super excited about that and that's that's been one of the the positive
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things when we did legends of the night it was kind of just me and my wife our family just kind of
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doing it but the more we kind of got our dream out into the world and showed people what we were
00:32:02.420
doing and what we wanted to do the more people were inspired to kind of join us and come along
00:32:06.660
beside and and bring their own ideas and their own inspirations and so it's been fun it's been
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fun to watch that that kind of expand over time you're leveraging the power of story yes
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that's exactly right that's exactly right we're bringing them into our story and they're bringing
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us into theirs great well hey brett this has been a great conversation where can people learn more
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about the films you mentioned one website where else can people find out yeah i would say the the the
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best place to go is to risinghero.org um so risinghero.org you can learn about legends of the night
00:32:40.120
you can learn about look to the sky and there are links to the to a voice that carries as well
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um you can see all that right there and my personal website if you want to learn more about
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me and what i do is my name brettculp.com awesome well brett colp thank you so much for your time
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it's been a pleasure thanks for inviting me brett my guest today was brett colp he's the creator of
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legends of the night as well as the forthcoming film look to the sky you can find more information
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about these films at risinghero.org and also make sure to check out the show notes for this episode
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at aom.is slash colp well that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness podcast for more
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