#194: The Field Notes of Theodore Roosevelt
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On this episode of the Art of Manliness podcast, we discuss Teddy Roosevelt's obsession with keeping detailed notes of every aspect of his life as a natural historian, hunter, and conservationist using his field notes as the primary source.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast so if you've been
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following the art of manliness for a while you know we're big fans of theodore roosevelt around
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here the guy crammed a lot into a lifetime there's a new biography out about him that takes a look
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at his life as a natural historian conservationist hunter and it uses tr's actual field notes that he
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took out in the field as the primary source to write this biography it's called theodore roosevelt
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in the field today on the show the author michael canfield and i discuss what we can learn about
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teddy roosevelt's approach to life from his field notes that he meticulously began as a boy he started
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this when he was like eight or nine years old and he continued uh throughout his even throughout his
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presidency we also talk about how his field notes that he took helped sharpen his keen sense of
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observation and how that helped him during his presidency and his political life and then finally
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michael and i discuss what life lessons men can take from the field notes of the bull moose himself
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theodore roosevelt really interesting show uh be sure to check the show notes out after you listen
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because you can actually see actual scanned images of teddy roosevelt's field notes as well as links to
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resources mentioned the show you can find the show notes at aom.is slash canfield and that's spelled
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c-a-n-f-i-e-l-d mike canfield welcome to the show thank you for having me so you got a great biography
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out about theodore roosevelt um but this one's unique it's called theodore roosevelt in the field
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and it's unique in that you focus on his life as a natural scientist hunter conservationist using his
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field books field notebooks that he kept all throughout his life as your primary source
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i'm curious how did you get interested in this part of teddy roosevelt's life that's a good question i
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got interested in his field notes from a previous project that i did on how currently living scientists
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and naturalists keep their notebooks and journals and kind of try to figure out how people would
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actually keep scientific and natural history information in the field as opposed to how we
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think they might or what we would imagine and so out of that process uh and project i did a little bit
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of consideration on historical field notes darwin linnaeus uh even lewis and clark's notes from their
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expedition and stumbled across theodore roosevelt's notes um which are here at harvard um about two
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thirds of the notebooks are in our theodore roosevelt collection and i found them and i was actually just
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talking to somebody about them at one point describing the africa diary the 1909 africa diary with
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these these images that roosevelt wrote these little sort of scrawled images of all the animals he
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shot and it kind of just took off from there so yeah you use these notebooks uh they have some of
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them at the the archives at harvard university um you know and it's crazy how do we have field note
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and field notebooks from when he was a nine-year-old boy because he started this as a very young man we'll
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talk about his career as a natural scientist or a naturalist as a as a child but you know i i had a
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journal when i was in second or third grade so about the same age as theodore roosevelt when he was
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doing his field notebooks but i threw him away so why why why what was it about how did teddy roosevelt
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why did he keep these field notebooks from when he was a eight nine-year-old ten-year-old boy
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i think that part of it was that he was very serious about his natural history study his study
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of the world um there's no question about that he was very studious um and i think there was more
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of a tradition back then of keeping diaries in other words um writing in diaries and then and then
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maintaining them one thing i found very interesting though was that there's evidence that he actually
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copied over his diaries and journal accounts so one of the earlier journals from his what they call
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his grand tour um when he went off with his family to europe the first time he kept a diary and there
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is a diary actually which he kept as a little herbarium he pressed plants in it which still survives we have
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this diary and we have the little pressed plants inside and then there's another journal which is not
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not in the diary format that has like you know the names or the dates and the lines printed on the
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pages but just a blank journal that he wrote in and some of them are actually some dates have a
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entry in the diary and then there's in a separate journal the same diary entry that's been copied over
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but actually the punctuation and the grammar is slightly better so what roosevelt had done is he'd gone
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back to some of his diaries and copied them over into journals like actually copied over the accounts
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so it's not clear that all the original actually the original documents actually survived um but but
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many of these journals and diaries survived and i think he they were just very important to him and he
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was serious about his recording partly because it allowed him to tell stories and narratives of his
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adventures which we can get to later but it certainly showed up in the badlands and and when he was
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doing more professional writing on his adventures well let's talk about his the seriousness that he
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took his i mean he even as a boy he thought of himself as a natural scientist i guess they'd call
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himself a natural historian yeah um i mean so how did this boy he grew up in a brownstone in new york city
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so an urban area how did he develop this intense love for the outdoors and all things nature
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um despite growing up in an urban area yeah well that's a great question and i think it probably
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has a number of um potential answers which i don't think we can know for sure um you know wilson and
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other people might call it biophilia people who you know people just love nature and are naturally
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connected to nature but roosevelt obviously was an extreme case in this instance along with many others
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but he he loved it from a very young age he was drawn to it and he had so i guess what i was what i
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would say is that he had a natural predisposition he just seemed to love to go out and study nature but it
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wasn't just about studying nature he just loved to go out and do things in the world and that's a facet
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that i think is people look to his early natural history study and say oh he was a naturalist from a young
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age and i would agree that's true absolutely he loved nature but he also i would say that's a
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symptom of a larger character um element in roosevelt that he loved to just go out to what
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i call the field he loved to go out and do things in the greater world connect directly with his greater
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world and the early natural history stuff was an example of that his father especially but his family
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made a lot of those early expeditions possible early on he went to the great swamp area of new jersey
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this town called lawanica there's a little brook called lawanica brook where they went and rented a
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house and he rambled around in nature looking at birds and cicadas and all the rest and then later
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obviously they went to oyster bay and up into the adirondack so his family took him out a lot away from
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new york city um to natural areas uh and they spent a lot of time in the summers especially in those
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areas and speaking of how his father encouraged this um i mean what other ways i mean i thought
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when i read this part of roosevelt's life i really admired his father uh he was actually a really great
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example of what it means to be a good dad i mean what were some of the other ways that teddy
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roosevelt's father theodore roosevelt's father uh encouraged this love of nature in his son
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yeah well i mean certainly just making the expeditions happen if you want to call them
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expeditions going up to upstate new york etc i would say also he his father theodore senior went with
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roosevelt on some of these things there's a great passage where roosevelt describes in his diary
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his father reading to him from the last of the mohicans around a campfire in upstate new york
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while he fell asleep so to me that's just a such a great symbol or poignant moment when you see
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roosevelt's father instilling this love of the field in roosevelt what could be better than being
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out on a canoe trip with your dad and he reads you know the last of the mohicans to you and you fall
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asleep it's awesome yeah um another another element i think that um his dad who was not a naturalist
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himself um but just saw this interest early on in roosevelt um when roosevelt you know was theodore
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was carrying these books around the his family's library from david livingstone or you know about
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africa and all these other things he he recognized in his son that this was an interest and he was going
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to foster it roosevelt senior helped found the american museum of natural history so albert s
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bickmore who was an advocate had come to see theodore senior for funding and and support to create the
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amnh in new york and theater theodore roosevelt's dad really helped and helped found it in in their
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living room at the brownstone um and another example is when they um came back from their trip to uh
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roosevelt's trip um to europe he his father actually hooked him up with john bell who was a taxidermist
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who had worked with john james audubon he was the kind of audubon's right hand man this being bell
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who had a taxidermy shop and i interpret i'm not it doesn't say explicitly that his father
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made the connection although roosevelt sort of says that it seems that roosevelt's father really got
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him a position working and learning from john bell of how to prepare uh ornithological specimens so
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there are a bunch of different ways that his dad really nurtured that and i guess the last thing is
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that when he went to college his father said something like i can't quote it just off off the
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top of my head but he said something like if you want to be a scientist you're free to do so i will
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support you in that you're not going to make as much money you're not going to have as as sort of
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elaborate a life as you have here but you can make that decision and i always thought that was a pretty
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nice thing for a father to do too to be realistic but put the decision in his son's court yeah i love that
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and going back to how serious roosevelt took himself as a naturalist even as a boy like you
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talk about in the book he you know kept very detailed notes or records of animals he saw the
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habitats etc but like he even kept he had a museum inside his his house yeah yeah he did and he they
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called it the roosevelt museum of natural history and he founded this with his cousins and a few other
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associated compatriots um and they had a natural history society as well a group so they they had
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this museum right where they contributed their collected specimens and then they also had what
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they called a society where they actually would present papers to one another so they would write
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up a little paper on one of them is about my the migration of whales and roosevelt would read this
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paper and they would talk about it so he wrote this thing out and they would present it to each other and
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talk about the finer points of whales migrating so they were serious they they were modeling kind of
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what happened in the linnaean society and some of the you know professional natural history
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biological societies in the world um but they were acting this out in a serious way not just sort of
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put you know collecting a few shells and birds eggs and stuff um and that really led to him
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studying with bell and preparing specimens and as he you know went through his teenage years and into
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college he then you know had a had a pretty extensive collection of bird skins and knowledge
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of birds um that led to some of his his first publications as well right just to remind people
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like they were he was having these natural history society meetings when he was like eight or nine years
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old uh that yeah i mean that was a little i think the the main natural history society things when
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um they presented papers were a little later probably 13 14 ish um but yeah he started collecting
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and that whole question of childhood natural history museums was was kind of a thing but you know
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people kids would do that um not everybody obviously but but other people who were his peers and um
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that was kind of a a reasonably common thing for kids to do who were really kind of biologically
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inclined um would do some of that so but i think he took it to a little bit more of a professional
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sense than most kids most kids would just have stuff in their room or whatever but he they formalized
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this there's a document um which you can read in the book and um at harvard the you know that is the
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roosevelt museum of natural history history document that is sort of their their charter
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where they wrote it all out um so it wasn't just an informal thing they were serious about it yeah and
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i thought there was a funny scene where i think someone either a maid or his mother threw out
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some animals that he had collected right the mice yeah i mean yeah there were they're periodic
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examples of him butting up against these things you know some at home when he originally had the
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museum in his bedroom and then the maid sort of said this is not okay with us and so they had to
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move it up to a more remote location in the house and then when he was in dresden the um you know he was
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keeping mice and other things and the family he was staying with with just were you know trying to get
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rid of all these crazy animals that roosevelt was keeping in the house um so you know he his um how
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should i say this his tolerance and interest in having a little natural history museum in his room
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didn't always fit with um how other people thought about it and i guess even when he came to to harvard
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um his boarding house uh on winthrop street which i'm actually just looking out the window right now
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and it's at that site the the the um boarding house is no longer there um but where he lived here
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if you look at the photographs he brought a lot of that kind of thing into his boarding house room as
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well when he was in college so yeah he brought his taxidermy kit yeah all that kind of stuff like
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you know he'd bring in turtles or whatever whatever kind of stuff he found um into his room yeah
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so did uh theodore roosevelt actually make contributions to the field of natural history
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as a young man or was this i mean was or was this just a hobby yeah i i think that you could make the
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case that he definitely did um early on you know in his teenage years his collections were pretty
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how should i say it's pretty professionalized for that age he wrote species accounts especially for the
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um specimens that he collected on the trip to egypt and the holy lands for example he has multiple
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accounts of them multiple specimens that he's dissected and documented the contents of the crops
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and um all that so there's really good natural history information there it's that set of information that he
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created there was never published in that form and isn't a real scientific contribution
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but it allowed him to then when he came to harvard um if he ended up assessing the i guess you'd call
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it the ornithological fauna the the birds of the adirondacks and the birds of oyster bay where he'd
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spend a lot of the summers and then they published um a couple of bird lists which are a true contribution
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to natural history because when you make a a list a faunal list of say the adirondacks or oyster bay
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then that gives sort of a snapshot in time of what organisms live there in this case birds
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that can people then can compare to later on or can go down there and know what's there so yes he
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absolutely did and um some of the work he did as a late teen in oyster bay folded into that stuff
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that he then published in the oyster bay um bird list very cool um so you you mentioned earlier that
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pivotal moment where roosevelt's father told him like you can be a natural scientist and i'll support
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you um you know i was kind of that was his career trajectory but what at what point did roosevelt
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decide that he wasn't going to be a full-time natural historian and instead devote himself
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to politics that's a great um moment i think in roosevelt's development when he came to harvard i
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he really was interested in becoming a scientist and he did enjoy his natural history courses here for
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sure um there's clear evidence of that um in his notebooks but also in how he talked about his time
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but i my interpretation is that there are a few pieces that caused him to pivot away from that
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one caused him to pivot away from becoming a full-time sort of naturalist scientist of the day
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um one was the studies that were going on here and the way that uh natural history and science was being
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um was being taught in the museum of comparative zoology which is our sort of the natural history
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museum at harvard um the way it was being taught at the time really grew out of a a german school
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where they were doing a lot of section cutting and pulling organisms apart and looking at very small
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things under the microscope etc and with a lower um how should i say this it was a lower focus on
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field work and field work was really where roosevelt wanted to be he wanted to be out in the field
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you know looking at animals in their natural habitat etc and so i think over time he enjoyed
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his natural history courses but that just wasn't for him sitting in the museum a lot um so that's one
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piece and he also had an interest i think in uh politics and history and other things but that
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came i think out of partly when his father died in um around christmas 1877 his father became sick
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and roosevelt went home and um of course his dad gave him a shotgun for christmas which is a good
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good rooseveltian present um but then roosevelt came back afterwards to harvard and it wasn't long
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that his father really descended into uh had a had a stomach tumor um an intestinal tumor and ended up
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dying uh in february and so roosevelt i think at that point it changed a lot of things but he became
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the head of the family um and i think it it changed the optics of how it looked to be say a natural
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historian who's not going to make a whole lot of money and i think that helped him pivot toward doing
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something that was a career and what he thought of as public service going into um you know politics
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the law etc and he you know after graduation he immediately started law school but didn't finish
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um because he started um in the legislature so that's one thing and i think the the third thing
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is that he met alice lee he fell in love he got a girlfriend and i think that also in some of the
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writings and some of the things in his letters and in his notebooks you can see him completely falling
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head over heels for alice lee and realizing that he wanted to have a settled existence and that going
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off to germany to do graduate work in natural history study or all these other things was not
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going to be the kind of life that he wanted with his darling little sweetheart alice lee and so i think
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all those things kind of pulled kind of came together and caused him to move more toward what at that
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point was called political economy he started writing the naval war of 1812 and um some of those things
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and then pretty quickly after he graduated um did law school and then became an assemblyman
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and uh but at the same time he didn't abandon the field completely he always looked for ways to
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get back out there and continue in some small ways work as a natural historian absolutely yeah i think
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that's um kind of one of the arguments that i'm trying to advance or for consideration is that
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you can see at all these little turning points even though he didn't decide to be a professional
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naturalist or professional natural history writer for his full career he was president at one point
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at all these points along the way he took the opportunity to turn back to the field and do
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things for example it wasn't long after you know he hadn't been assemblyman that long until he met this
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guy at um one of his free trade club meeting um who had a place in the badlands and had bought
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but land in the badlands and roosevelt had always wanted to go out and shoot a buffalo or a bison as
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it's called um and he quickly signed up and went out there on his own it turns out in the end um the
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man grinch didn't decide to go with him um but that's what roosevelt did even before alice lee died
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um roosevelt just turned from the assemblyman stuff at one of their breaks to go out to the field
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to shoot a buffalo and that is a perfect example of the kind of thing that he wanted to do and then
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later on he obviously expanded on that work in the badlands um which we can talk about more but
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i think that was just a feature if you start adding it up over his life it's it's no mistake he just
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that's the way he lived he would do things sort of in the office professionally etc but even while
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president he would escape to the field to hunt to do conservation work to do whatever it was so yeah
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let's talk about his badlands experience so the thing that kicked that off was both his wife and his
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mother died on the same day um and roosevelt decided to get out of dodge needed something needed a change
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so he went out to the dakotas to the badlands bought a ranch tried his hand as a cattle rancher
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and in the process you know had some adventures along the way right how did that experience in
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the badlands shape roosevelt's life i mean what insights did you get from his field notes
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that you saw that a transformation was taking place yeah well there are a whole bunch of elements and i
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think one of the things is that the badlands destination and badlands piece of his life started
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before alice lee and his mother died you know died on the same day um he had gone out to as we said to
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go shoot a buffalo and bought the ranch right so he had already invested and wanted to go out there
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and had written to alice lee about this saying you know this is really important to me basically and he
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had already envisioned the badlands being a destination where he wanted to explore
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it obviously took on a different place once alice died um it was a place where he went out
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for seclusion and to to sort of work through the grief there's no question about that but that
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had been set in motion going to badlands that is well before um alice lee died so sometimes people tell
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the story that that's the place where he went to deal with this grief which is absolutely true but
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he had already set that place up before he knew alice was going to die obviously so
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the the question you have i think is like what did it do for him how did it shape his life well there
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are a lot of different pieces of that one that i really focused on in the book is
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roosevelt i think originally purchased the land in and bought the stake in the ranch in the badlands
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to go out and tell stories he wanted to tell stories about the american west he was fascinated
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with the frontier literature and he wanted to be someone who acted out these hunting narratives etc and
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then write them and that's exactly what he did you know he went out there for periods of time
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ranched and then wrote about it um wrote about it in magazine articles and then you know those got
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clumped into books ranch life and the hunting trail and uh the wilderness hunter etc these really
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really pretty fascinating books sizable um volumes that he wrote and what i found really interesting is
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if you look at his field notes for example you can see the early versions i mean his diaries are
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really in some cases early drafts of the chapters in his books they're the they're the kind of brief
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notes that then led to the stories he told in his books so he was yeah he just he was finding fodder
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for his stories that he wanted to tell yeah i think so i mean again i think he wanted to live that way and
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then he thought it was also a money-making proposition he made money off of his books and
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you know he wanted to be one of the people telling those stories and and living them out and
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he's gotten criticism for that you know certainly early on especially some people like grinnell and
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others would give him a hard time in a way um sort of saying he was acting as if he'd been out there
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longer than he had that he knew more about these animals than he did um but he certainly went out there
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and and collected some really really interesting stories that he told the rest of his life
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certainly the the boat thieves story is one of the best ones um when you know if these guys stole
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his boat and he went after them so yeah and he arrested them um and i think i thought it was
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interesting too you know being the storyteller like you know there's that famous picture that everyone's
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probably seeing of roosevelt with his gun he's got the two guys looking sad like it was like it was
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a posed picture i don't even think the people like no they weren't even like the real criminals were
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there it was just no other people stand-ins yeah stand-ins for sure yeah and it was just him
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trying to tell a story i mean and i think that's another thing people who don't know about roosevelt
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like the way he made his living mostly was through writing a huge bit of it yeah he made a lot of his
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actual income through his written work and the it's fascinating to me when you think about when
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you look across his writings um just his natural history writings are massive the number of books
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and articles that he wrote is just it's incredible it's actually hard to quantify um it's hard to
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actually write down i included a sort of a selected set of writings um sort of bibliography in in my
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work um but actually the definitive uh bibliography of all his writings has never been published because
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it's too big um i mean you know whatever he wrote like 43 books or or similar depending on how you
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quantify them you know are the edited books because he edited some with um henry catalog and other people
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um but all the articles that he wrote have never been fully um put into a list you know there i think
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there is a there's a set of index cards in the hilton library that has that but it's thousands and
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thousands of them wow so uh starting as a boy roosevelt was an avid hunter like he had a gun
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as a young age and he would kill he was even in egypt he was shooting birds um and then that love
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of hunting grew as he got older and you know one of the criticisms thrown at roosevelt that he you
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know had an insatiable bloodlust um because some some of these trips maybe you can talk about some of
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his hunting trips like the amount of trophies he would collect i mean what was like a typical hunting
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trip like for roosevelt well i don't you know it's funny what is a typical hunting trip i i think um
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there are a few that were pretty iconic or ones that were the most extreme obviously the african
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safari when he finished as president he went on this year-long african safari where there was a joint
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expedition really with the smithsonian and he shot you know many many hundreds of animals and there
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was also a couple of naturalists that went along that were collecting other things like small mammals
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and things like that um edgar mearns and uh edmund heller and some people who were professional
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naturalists went along so it was a big expedition but even on that uh there were a number of
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instances where one can point to and really ask legitimate questions about the amount of things
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animals that roosevelt shot and whether they were really a reasonable number given the aims even of a
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of a collecting expedition for a museum you know for example the white rhino um even at that time was
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extremely rare and roosevelt knew this he wrote about it being very rare but then he also wrote
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that he wanted to get some basically i mean the subtext is he wanted to get some before they were
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gone for these museums in the united states and a few other places so there's a question there whether
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he really should have done that or done that in the extensive way that he did the white rhino obviously
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is you know an endangered species even at that time so it's a big question about that i mean that
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question links even back to when he was going out to shoot the buffalo or the bison if you want to
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call it by its scientific name um he knew at that point that they were gone and there's even a
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a quote that's sort of attributed to him that he wanted to get one while they were still buffalo left
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to shoot not a not a really great justification for shooting up buffalo from a conservationist
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standpoint but roosevelt's full of contradictions as many historians have pointed out that he's this
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many-sided american and he also then later established all these lands where the bison then
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came back right that these were the places that he established for them to be basically repopulate
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the plains um in certain contexts so he there were there are different pieces of this but certainly you
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can see in his notes places where he overshot for sure and yeah that's that is the contrary i mean
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because he laid he was one of the the big people involved in laying the conservation movement here in
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the united states i mean he loved animals like he genuinely loved animals like and i heard once
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someone said like he loved them so much like he he wanted he had to kill them which is sort of weird
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like he just yeah yeah i mean it's a it's a really hard contradiction especially for us now i think
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earlier on um around roosevelt's time less people saw that as quite so incongruous although mark twain
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sort of really went after roosevelt about it there were animal rights people then who really felt like he
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was a really brutal and um kind of a barbarian um and it's a it's a complicated question and i think
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you know the question of hunting just in general whether it's okay what the moral aspects of hunting
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even in the first place of any mammal although even now there are groups that um are opposed to
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butterfly collecting um so it's not even just mammals so that's a big question and i tried not to sort of
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carve that piece off so to speak of trying to get through all those aspects of the morality the
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the manliness aspects of hunting if you will there's certainly a a question around the literature around
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gender identity that that you know looks at historically hunting um but i tried to not delve
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into that too much but just try to understand a little bit about how roosevelt sort of thought about
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if there are any echoes of that and certainly later in his life especially around birds there's some
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passages where he clearly indicated that they no longer really should be shooting songbirds for example
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um and he looked back and saw that you know he probably collected more than he needed to and that
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that wasn't really appropriate anymore for example yeah and i think there's a few moments uh you see
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in his diaries that you mentioned in his book where these two competing drives that he had with him to
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to hunt and then but to also protect animals there's that moment in africa with the hippo that he ended up
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yeah shooting a hippo that and he he could tell that he wasn't really happy that he did it right
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so he tried to hide well yeah that moment um when he was on he was trying to get um hippo uh and he wanted
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to get a bull and all that stuff he he was in a boat where this launch and one hippos are actually
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one of the more dangerous things to hunt uh partly if you're in a boat because you can't figure out
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where they are and they can um they're submerged below you and if they surface they can knock the
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boat over knock you into the water and and then there you're in the water with a school of hippos
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so this happened to him that he was in this launch and they were going out to shoot one but then
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this um he found that these this school of hippos started to surface or at least one under the boat
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and the the other men in the the story goes the other men in the boat started to shout that he should
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shoot and so he shot and he shot several of them and didn't he was trying to shoot the one that was
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coming up below it but he ended up shooting four or five hippos that you know once once the boat sort
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of settled back down he didn't realize it at first but then slowly hippo carcasses started to come to
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the surface and he felt very bad about it one because he didn't need all those and two because he knew
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that he was already under sort of the spotlight for his hunting there and didn't want to be seen as
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what they called a game butcher and he didn't want that to get out to the press um and and have it be
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another example of how he was a game butcher and not just selecting things for the for the museum at
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the smithsonian interesting so yeah a lot of things you can gleam from his field notes and i what i love
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about his field notes too and you have them in your book is that on his hunting trips you know he would
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draw pictures these very rudimentary pictures of the animals that he he bagged but then he'd show you
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know where he shot them at so you again like the meticulousness that he that began as a child like
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he carried that with them even after and he's i guess he's in his 50s by now yeah yeah yeah i mean
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he was really um he was a very keen observer and he would really pay attention to whatever he was doing
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and i think that's another piece of what i really learned about roosevelt by looking at his field notes and
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by kind of examining what they meant he clearly was someone who had a careful eye spent a lot of
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time trying to understand what was going on around him and documenting it which doesn't seem to just
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apply in his work in nature or out in the field i think there's a case to be made which i didn't make in
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the book explicitly i didn't go through this part but i think if you look at his that those features
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of of a naturalist being you know observe things collect a bunch of different parts and elements
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and then try to make sense of them that's something that he did in all sorts of parts of his life
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um when he was looking to enact conservation legislation he went out and tried to understand
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john mirror for example but he also tried to understand lumbermen and ranchers and collect
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all that information from those observations and then decide what to do with it so those things to
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me aren't totally separate from one another but the fact that he went out to the field with john mirror
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to understand what yosemite was all about he wanted to go there and sleep outside that's an element of his
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sort of political and professional pursuits as president that harkens back to this mode that we've been
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talking about the mode of the naturalist observer
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so um we talked about his africa trip after he was president what was his other final big expeditions
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that he took before he died yeah well so he did the africa expedition then he came back and um
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had the bull moose party got shot and then after that he did the river of doubt expedition um which
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was you know down this unknown river into the amazon which has been you know really written about a lot
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and uh it's an incredible story and then after that there were a few more that haven't been written
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about nearly as much but i find extremely uh interesting there's he went and um on a moose hunt
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in quebec which was uh has some great stories in it one being chased by this moose which was kind
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of a wild rutting uh moose and rut and and it kind of went after them and roosevelt ended up shooting
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it um which is a great story and then i think my favorite one actually is his trip to sanibel and
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captiva island um with this man named russell coals who was a tobacco dealer by trade but um was someone
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who was a i mean a hunter of of manta rays and became sort of an expert on how to hunt these
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giant mantas which can have what we think of as wingspans of like 18 feet they're huge and they
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would go out and basically harpoon them and ride them you know hold on to this harpoon and and throw
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these drogues into the water to try to slow them down and eventually they would just expire and when
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roosevelt heard about this he thought that is really amazing i want to try that and so he ended up going
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down um and doing this and and hunting some giant mantas uh off off the coast of captiva island so i
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think that's a great story and just as far as the how it fits into his life so when roosevelt did that
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it was 1917 and um roosevelt then didn't die until the early days of 1919 but one of the last letters
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he wrote before he died roosevelt was to russell coals and he was saying to russell that he felt
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utterly worthless at that point because he was sick but he was planning on coming back down for another
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manta hunt with archie his son who had been injured in um world war one and he really wanted to get archie
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out to the field with him um to go hunting with russell coals so his mind even though his body was
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really expiring his mind was going back to the field with his own son um to do another manta hunt and
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and that's why i think that one's so important when you look at those letters they're really moving
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um because you see a dad who was trying to get his in you know his veteran son who'd been injured
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significantly um in world war one out to the field with him on this experience so he he had some some
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other a few other trips too he he'd gone to the caribbean to visit william beebe who was um a big
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naturalist at the time and did uh he continue his field notes with these trips as well not so much
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um at least they don't survive his later field notes and this is something i think is pretty
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fascinating to me is that when he was in africa you know you can see in the book and otherwise you can
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see his 1909 and 1910 diary he filled them up the days he was in africa he wrote profusely in his
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diary of the things he collected observations the stomach contents of lions etc and then
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also in africa he kept um a manuscript pad that he would write on a pad of paper that
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was carbon and had three copies so he would write the chapters of african game trails which was his
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book on africa um he would write them in the field so his field notes also were manuscript pages
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and he would send them off and trip it in three different directions actually in africa so that
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one one would survive and got back to robert bridges in new york so that they could publish
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these first they published them in scripner's magazine and then and then as a bound book african
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game trails so in in africa he has both the field notes in his diaries and then these other field
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notes which were manuscripts on the river of doubt he no diary accounts survive from him
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kermit his son who went along kept a diary and we have those at the library of congress but
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roosevelt doesn't seem to have kept any diaries it's um but he just did the same thing he did in africa
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he wrote these manuscript pages while he was in the field there's a iconic photo of roosevelt sitting at
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a folding table with a head net and gauntlet gloves to keep biting insects off of him in the jungle kind
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of um when he was on the river of doubt so it seems like later in his life as he progressed further
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he did much more just keeping um just keeping manuscript notes etc um so they didn't have
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uh we don't have notebooks or field notes from his later expeditions it's interesting yeah so michael we
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we really just uh scratched the surface here of you know what what we you can find in roosevelt's
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field notes but i'm curious as you you read through them i mean these are things that roosevelt
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actually touched he actually wrote down and studying his life were there a few lessons life
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lessons that you gleamed or took away from looking at roosevelt's life through his field notes
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yeah i think so i mean aside from just being sort of a manuscript nerd and finding it really inspiring
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to look at them which in fact the harvard ones are all um are scanned almost all of them are scanned
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and you can look at them they're freely available um it's not quite as good as looking at them directly
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but it's still pretty moving um i think that my the biggest lesson that i took and the thing i learned
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about roosevelt as a personal lesson was his dedication to going directly to the source
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to directly connecting with his world that he went out and with whatever it was yes he was really
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fascinated with hunting and and doing these kinds of things but the conservation thing was something he
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went out and met with john muir in yosemite he didn't just think about it he didn't just read about it
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he wanted to understand lions so he went to africa and he faced went face to face with lions
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um dramatic yes but when you look at his notes there's a credibility to that and we didn't talk much
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about the um the trip to cuba in the spanish-american war uh but he left his post as the assistant
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secretary of the navy much to the chagrin of his friends and family to go be on the front lines in cuba
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um and you see that in his notebooks uh his documents uh that he was there and he wanted
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to be there on the front lines in the battlefield people have made a lot of you know reasons why that
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was the case some that he was sort of mad but he lived his life by connecting with his world and
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going out there and observing it directly and understanding it firsthand that's what i find
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most inspiring about roosevelt and the thing i take from him and try to remind myself of is
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it's great it's important to go to the source and to not live just uh in a secondary fashion but to
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experience our world and that's what it's going to take i think it's really important that our leaders
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do that um as much as possible well michael canfield thank you so much for your time it's been a pleasure
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thank you i really appreciate you having me and um i hope that uh things continue to grow well with
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the with the art of manliness it's a great it's a great site i appreciate that my guest today was
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michael canfield he's the author of the book theodore roosevelt in the field you can find it on amazon.com
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scanned images of roosevelt's field notes as well as links where you can browse more of them online
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