The Art of Manliness - August 05, 2016


#223: Valiant Ambition in the American Revolution


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Summary

Two figures stand in stark contrast to each other. George washington and Benedict Arnold. In the American imagination, washington is elevated as an example of sterling character, while Arnold is ostracized to the seventh layer of Dante s hell. But what few Americans know is that the start of the War of Independence was actually a blundering general. While Washton was one of the colony s very best leaders, Arnold was a traitor.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast
00:00:18.000 in the history of the american revolution two figures stand in stark contrast to each other
00:00:22.500 george washington and benedict arnold in the american imagination washington is elevated
00:00:27.600 as an example of sterling character while arnold is ostracized to the seventh layer of dante's hell
00:00:32.280 but what few americans know is that the start of the war of independence washington was actually a
00:00:36.360 blundering general while arnold was one of the colony's very best so how is it that washington
00:00:42.020 transformed himself into one of america's greatest leaders while arnold ended up betraying his
00:00:46.620 countrymen well that's what my guest today explores in his book valiant ambition george washington
00:00:51.460 benedict arnold and the fate of the american revolution his name is nathaniel philbrick and
00:00:55.460 today on the show we discuss the evolution of washington as a general and a statesman
00:00:59.300 benedict arnold's amazing but often forgotten battlefield exploits for the american cause
00:01:03.560 and how arnold's valiant ambition turned into a vain and treacherous appetite that led to his
00:01:08.160 downfall and along the way nathaniel and i just talk about the life lessons we can take from these
00:01:12.640 two imminent revolutionaries really great podcast after the show's over make sure to check out the
00:01:17.200 show notes at aom.is ambition for links to resources that we discuss in the show so you can delve deeper
00:01:24.820 into this topic nathaniel philbrick welcome to the show it's great to be with you uh so your latest
00:01:34.880 book you've written a lot of great historical books uh your latest one is called valiant ambition
00:01:39.200 where you follow the military careers of two of the revolutionary war's most well-known names george
00:01:46.860 washington and benedict arnold um i'm curious why did what inspired you to dig into the history of how
00:01:54.540 these men developed into the men that we know of today how washington turned into the great general
00:02:00.240 that we know as today and how arnold turned into america's most infamous traitor yeah well it's really
00:02:07.040 kind of two sources to that uh my previous book was called bunker hill uh which describes as the title
00:02:13.520 might suggest that the outbreak of the revolution in the boston area and the book uh sort of ends with
00:02:20.160 the arrival of george washington who takes over the what will become the continental army during the
00:02:25.280 siege of boston and uh and it was with the conclusion of that book that i realized i need to follow
00:02:32.000 george washington you this is not the the washington that peers at us from the the dollar bill you know
00:02:37.800 sort of the state pragmatist that looks like the rock upon which this country has been founded
00:02:42.540 washington at the beginning of the revolution was in his early 40s red-haired fiery uh and by
00:02:49.200 natural temperament very aggressive he wanted to attack the british uh that were holed up in boston
00:02:55.060 even if this meant uh burning the city to the ground he just wanted to end it all in one very risky
00:03:01.600 stroke and uh he would repeatedly bring this proposal to his council of war and every time uh the generals
00:03:08.420 would turn it down as as basically madness and and you know this is a washington i you know i had not
00:03:16.100 grown up with and so i i knew i wanted to follow him and so the the question for me was the to who
00:03:23.260 to pair him up with uh because i also knew that the middle years of the revolution uh were very different
00:03:29.420 from i think what most of us assume the revolution to be you know sort of this each battle stepping
00:03:34.240 stone to god-ordained victory uh instead the the sort of the gas came out of the revolution
00:03:40.680 and it became this stalemate in which um americans showed much more interest in fighting themselves
00:03:46.720 uh than the british and i said how do you get at this dark underbelly well my mother uh when i was
00:03:52.940 growing up in the 60s and 70s was a huge fan of benedict darnold and uh my mom was kind of a
00:03:59.340 renegade herself uh and uh she she always said that arnold had gotten a bum rap uh that there
00:04:07.300 were reasons why he did this and and that you know uh your teacher should teach you this and i'd
00:04:12.960 always say mom arnold personifies evil what what are you talking about well uh i am here before you
00:04:19.640 today to say that mom was right um i i realized that uh you know i had had this exposure to to arnold
00:04:27.920 as a kid and i i realized that's the guy to go with that's the guy to pair with washington
00:04:32.880 uh to and and what i do in value and ambition is is follow for four years uh why arnold at his
00:04:40.400 highest because he was what our best battlefield general uh in the beginning but oh but he would
00:04:45.940 have his reasons to become increasingly embittered uh with the american cause and ultimately four years
00:04:51.620 later uh he would decide to to turn traitor and so i wanted to follow those two very
00:04:57.680 different characters uh along very different paths yeah that's what i mean it really uh
00:05:03.280 opened my eyes to some kind of assumptions that i had i mean even start the book it was going back
00:05:09.020 to washington you talk about how i think one of the secretaries of the continental congress
00:05:13.340 he had these like a journal um and where he talked about like you know sort of the the foibles of
00:05:18.780 washington um and he thought about publishing them but at that time you know washington already been
00:05:24.320 you know he's the apotheosis of washington had already happened and we had this myth and he just
00:05:29.420 like no i can't undo this myth it's good for the country so he didn't publish it um so you said
00:05:34.520 that washington at the very beginning of the war lacked a bit of military acumen didn't have that sort
00:05:39.720 of pragmatic approach that he had so you know are there any specific examples where you talk about
00:05:45.340 in the book the four years you discuss where washington you know showed a lack of military acumen
00:05:50.040 that actually hurt the revolutionary cause yeah yeah well i mean from uh really where the the book
00:05:57.100 begins which is just after the siege of boston uh the british uh now have turned their sights on new
00:06:04.620 york and washington is dug into new york in the high ground in brooklyn on long island and the the british
00:06:13.380 have thrown a huge force at america 30 the uh 400 vessels 34 000 sailors and and soldiers this is the
00:06:24.720 largest invasionary force britain will mount until world war one i mean it's just a huge huge uh army
00:06:31.700 that washington has to deal with and he had no uh experience leading a large army in battle no one in
00:06:38.100 the american army had had that kind of experience and as i said before he was by temperament aggressive
00:06:44.160 and even though his his army was completely overmatched by the british he was determined to
00:06:50.220 fight and um and so he puts his army in a very risky position uh in long island and he's completely
00:06:58.120 out general by his british counterpart uh general howe in a flanking maneuver that uh and howe had the
00:07:05.720 opportunity to completely destroy washington's army uh uh but for the howe the howe brothers
00:07:13.060 because his older brother was the admiral that was in charge of the british fleet were hopeful that
00:07:17.940 they could humiliate the american army to the point that they were forced to negotiate a peace they
00:07:23.100 really felt that by destroying the american army they would hopelessly embitter the american people
00:07:28.500 and ultimately make a reconcile reconciliation impossible and so you could argue that it was not for
00:07:35.600 howe washington would have probably lost his army uh right there at the battle of long island
00:07:41.140 howe gave him the opportunity to escape at night in a brilliant retreat across the east river
00:07:47.440 and um eventually um you know but and yet he persisted in hanging out in in new york and trying to
00:07:54.560 defend that ultimately you'd be forced to retreat uh he would have that great comeback uh at trenton
00:08:01.040 and princeton but the following year uh when he was defending philadelphia from uh howe's uh army that
00:08:08.660 was now marching uh towards philadelphia which is the seat of the condom now congress once again
00:08:14.760 washington at the battles of brandywine and germantown surrenders to his naturally aggressive
00:08:21.060 side and uh and as a consequence puts his army in in very dangerous positions and suffers reversals that
00:08:29.360 ultimately allow the british to take uh to take uh philadelphia and it's only after this uh in the
00:08:37.500 winter of 1777 78 while he's holed up at valley forge that washington begins to realize okay i i really
00:08:46.080 need to commit to a different kind of strategy uh you know i want to fight but this is not the best
00:08:52.940 thing for my country given the state of the army i need to fight a defensive war a war of attrition
00:08:59.900 what he calls a war of posts and it's not what he wants to do it's uh it's it's not the way he's
00:09:06.220 wired but it's the way he will then proceed for the for the next years of the the war of independence and
00:09:13.080 it's kind of extraordinary and there are very few leaders who can go against the very essence of who
00:09:18.880 they are because they know it's the right thing to do and washington was one of those unusual people
00:09:24.160 and that's the moment when he turned into the pragmatic george washington we know today and
00:09:30.120 right and oh go ahead yeah and and one of the things that you know he had his weaknesses as a
00:09:35.860 military commander but he was an absolute genius as a politician and um and so what happens is as the
00:09:43.300 war devolves into a stalemate uh where you know each battle really doesn't do much to move move at
00:09:50.440 move anything in any direction uh it's washington's ability to deal with politicians with officers who
00:09:58.480 are infighting um it's you know it's it's his political skills that really rise to the fore and it's
00:10:05.980 it's it's kind of it's it's and he emerges as that one person capable of holding all of this
00:10:13.120 together yeah there was great examples of that political skill and action where i think washington
00:10:18.300 intercepted a note um where one of the generals was bad mouthing him um and he saw it and then he
00:10:25.000 passed it along to the guy that was supposed to get it and he left a note kind of sort of passive
00:10:29.460 aggressive you know um and it really shut the whole thing down everyone just backed away absolutely
00:10:35.580 right and this is this is during the terrible retreat across new jersey in the the uh fall of 1776
00:10:42.420 you know he's at his absolute lowest point um uh trenton is to come in just a month time but at
00:10:50.520 this point you know he's at his lowest and it's it's correspondence for joseph reed his his adjutant
00:10:56.900 general uh the person upon whom he depends the most the the closest person in his military family
00:11:02.460 reed is out away from headquarters so washington opens it and learns that reed unknown to him has been
00:11:09.660 in correspondence with charles lee the second ranking general in the american army and complaining about
00:11:16.400 washington for his indecisiveness and suggesting to lee that come winter uh uh uh that lee go south
00:11:24.020 and organize a new army you know and so this is not good news and and for most people it would be
00:11:30.700 crushing news that would probably inspire a good amount of anger washington uh doubtless felt that
00:11:37.980 but instead of outwardly expressing it he does something he's brilliant he he reseals the letter
00:11:44.380 and uh and sent it to reed with an accompanying note saying assuming uh this came for you assuming it was
00:11:51.520 official business i opened it as usual realizing it was something else my apologies and he leaves reed
00:11:57.780 the twist and the icy emptiness of his withheld wrath and man did he get the message and this is just
00:12:04.380 those are the political skills that uh would really serve him and our country so well in the years to come
00:12:11.040 yeah and not only did washington have this fiery temperament that wanted to cause you know he wanted to
00:12:15.680 attack all the time but i guess throughout the book this whole idea of valiant ambition
00:12:19.840 is all these generals had it in spades and there was this social pressure to you know to fight with honor
00:12:26.040 and to show yourself a man um and so i imagine that was a lot of the pressure that washington felt too
00:12:32.380 but he had to say you know i'm not going to take part in that i'm going to switch to this other
00:12:36.300 strategy because it's for the good of the country right and it killed him because you know many of his
00:12:41.820 own officers would say you know what are you doing you know why isn't you know why isn't he going after
00:12:47.100 them politicians who really had no clue as to what was going on militarily but you know just wanted
00:12:53.880 things to go as well as possible criticized him uh and and so it was a very difficult position to take
00:13:00.940 and uh and yet ultimately uh after you know two years of learning it the hard way um he he committed
00:13:09.480 to it and and you know it's it's you know it's the ultimate um you know it's it's so easy to to to
00:13:16.720 to surrender to our our impulses in a fit of anger and pique you know uh but washington learned nope i'm
00:13:24.400 going to take the higher ground i am going to keep the long view ahead of me and uh and we really owe
00:13:31.300 the fact that we have a country uh to washington's strength of character in this regard so the the the
00:13:37.300 guy you juxtaposed washington to uh was benedict arnold this is a guy who seemed like who couldn't
00:13:42.520 put a check on his his temperament and his ambition um what's interesting the book though like as you said
00:13:49.700 we had this idea that benedict arnold he was born a traitor like he was born he was predestined to go
00:13:55.340 to dante's seventh layer of hell right exactly but you highlight in great detail before washington
00:14:02.200 before arnold turned into a traitor he was one of america's great revolutionary war generals um i think
00:14:07.400 this is forgotten so can you take us through some of arnold's contributions to the american cause before
00:14:11.140 he committed treason i mean it's kind of right it's kind of amazing in the first years of the
00:14:15.520 revolution there was no one better on the battlefield uh than arnold i mean it was he
00:14:21.100 learned of lexington and concord and uh he's he's in new haven and he realizes that at the southern
00:14:28.960 end of lake champlain is fort ticonderoga a lightly held british fortress that contains all of these
00:14:36.800 cannons that would be of huge help to the american cause and it's also an important strategic point
00:14:42.980 and so he proposes to the officials in boston that he take fort ticonderoga uh by this time others
00:14:50.260 have heard about the idea and he ends up having to team up with ethan allen and the green mountain
00:14:56.800 boys and they famously side by side take fort ticonderoga uh and then while ethan allen and the
00:15:03.440 green mountain boys are getting drunk on the british liquor supply arnold commandeers a loyalist
00:15:09.160 schooner sails up the full hundred mile length of lake champlain and attacks a small british force at
00:15:16.100 saint john's in canada and takes what vessels they have destroys what he can't take with him and now
00:15:22.720 america has command of lake champlain an absolutely essential uh quarter of water uh that you know we
00:15:30.840 need to command and so he does that and then he he then goes to boston uh where now washington is the
00:15:38.040 commander of the american army washington stuck in the siege of boston but he sends arnold on an
00:15:44.520 impossible mission to try to take quebec and this requires him to go overland through maine i've
00:15:51.240 followed i've actually followed arnold's trail uh through the backwoods of maine there's still
00:15:56.100 nothing up there to this day you know if there's there's a signpost it has arnold's name on it because
00:16:02.820 he's apparently the last person to go through there but you know he loses a third of his soldiers
00:16:07.860 um to desertion and death staggers out of the the the wilderness and is there at quebec he's
00:16:15.300 heralded as the american hannibal he's ultimately unsuccessful in taking uh quebec no fault of his
00:16:22.280 own uh he's grievously injured but he pulls himself together and then uh in the the fall of 76
00:16:29.260 he fights the battle of valquor island the greatest naval battle that no one's ever heard of
00:16:34.920 uh fought on lake champlain and washington has lost new york by this time arnold by preventing the
00:16:42.600 british from taking fort ticonderoga saves america because if they had taken that fort and linked up
00:16:48.720 with how in new york it would have all been over and and so then he that that leads a year later to
00:16:55.020 the battle of saratoga the great victory in which uh the french are convinced to come into the war on
00:17:01.380 our side and and it was arnold's soldiers that that were responsible for it and so there's really
00:17:07.460 no one uh as short of washington who's doing more than arnold to to do all this and uh and as you said
00:17:14.100 you know he was passionate he couldn't control himself the way washington could uh when he was off
00:17:19.580 the battlefield but man our country owed him a lot in the first years of the revolution but i guess
00:17:26.280 were the seeds of uh arnold's you know treasonous uh you know his treasonous decision was he had these
00:17:33.800 great victories but it seemed like he perceived that he wasn't getting the the due respect that he
00:17:39.440 thought he deserved from other generals and also from the continental congress so i mean what were some
00:17:43.660 of these slights that arnold experienced from these generals that you know kind of sowed the the his
00:17:49.280 treason yeah there there are really two events that that had a lot to do with it the first was after
00:17:55.340 uh stopping the british from taking uh fort ticonderoga at the battle of valcour uh he was up for for
00:18:03.120 promotion he was our highest ranking brigadier general with the best record but the the continental
00:18:08.880 congress that reserved the right to pick major generals uh determined that each state should get
00:18:14.100 two of them and since arnold's home state of connecticut already had two he would be overlooked
00:18:21.160 and five generals who ranked below him would be elevated past him to major general and you know this
00:18:26.940 angered him it would have angered anyone in a greatly upset that washington who uh uh who who uh
00:18:34.320 realized that arnold was his best battlefield general at this time and so this began his his
00:18:40.860 questioning you know why am i doing this he had also uh given a lot of his personal fortune to the
00:18:46.720 cause in those first years in canada and the continental congress showed no interest in in compensating
00:18:52.620 but it would really be at the battle of saratoga uh in october of of 1777 where arnold would
00:19:00.540 suffer the experience that would really start his spiral uh uh in down into into treason uh he was
00:19:09.320 his commanding officer was horatio gates who was concerned that arnold with his reputation for
00:19:14.520 aggressiveness and success on the battlefield was a threat to stealing the glory from him uh and uh
00:19:21.420 and what he did gates did was instigate a a uh blow up with arnold there were two battles to the battle
00:19:28.660 of saratoga and the first the battle of freeman's farm it would be arnold's soldiers that delivered
00:19:33.420 a devastating blow to the british and sent them reeling and in his official account of the battle
00:19:39.140 gates chose not to mention arnold and gates uh knew arnold very very well had been with him on lake
00:19:46.260 champlain the previous year and knew just what buttons to push uh when it came to a guy of such a
00:19:51.720 passionate nature and so they have a violent argument and arnold is out of the northern army
00:19:57.980 uh this however does not prevent him from appearing on the battlefield in the final climactic battle of
00:20:04.060 bemis heights and it's arnold uh at the very end leads this amazing charge uh uh to the entrance
00:20:12.720 rear entrance of a british redoubt takes uh enters on his horse waving his sword commands him to
00:20:20.320 surrender and he uh is shot with a musket ball fired by a german soldier that fractures his left thigh
00:20:27.620 kills his horse which collapses on top of his injured leg and he's just lying there and one of
00:20:33.600 his young uh officers uh from new hampshire had been with him since quebec comes up to him says he badly
00:20:39.360 hurt and he says in the left leg i wish the musket ball had gone through my heart you know he knew that
00:20:45.460 uh here he is you know his left leg was going to be in very bad shape uh he's he was going to be in a
00:20:53.640 hospital bed for months ahead and gates is going to be the hero of saratoga and so it really you know
00:21:00.420 why am i doing this you know he he would eventually uh spend that winter in a hospital bed in albany
00:21:07.160 the leg that would emerge from the fracture box that they uh attached to it would be two inches
00:21:13.220 shorter it would be more than a year before he could walk unassisted and he began to wonder you
00:21:17.800 know why am i doing this um continental congress doesn't give me the respect i deserve but by that
00:21:23.180 time they'd give him his promotion but it was too little too late gates had you know messed with
00:21:29.180 his head and he had suffered this terrible debilitating physical injury and it was as much
00:21:36.020 a psychic wound as it was a physical injury and and and so he began to wonder what you know why am i
00:21:43.480 doing this and this began his his gradual creep uh towards uh treason and i think the other thing you
00:21:50.840 you really do your job of highlighting the book is that underneath this these slights that arnold was
00:21:56.400 experiencing that contributed to his you know decision to become a traitor was that during this
00:22:01.720 time of the war like as you said earlier um the america the american the colonies were like were
00:22:06.900 fighting each other basically uh and they were like their own worst enemies um so how did that
00:22:12.880 that acrimony that existed between the colonies also contribute to his um decision to commit treason
00:22:19.840 yeah because you know there was you know war against great britain but there was also civil war going
00:22:26.240 on and the american people were showing much more interest in fighting each other uh than the british
00:22:32.520 and as arnold's becoming increasingly bitter about his own treatment he's watching his country falling
00:22:40.460 apart um the continental congress does not have the power to tax the american people directly
00:22:46.000 so washington's army doesn't have the funds it needs to fight uh the the um and by the fall of 1780
00:22:56.520 um it really looks like if somehow washington can win this war will there be a country left to claim
00:23:03.720 victory i mean you know we we we now look back and see this as as god ordained but in the middle of it it
00:23:10.540 looked like the american people had really turned their backs on the vow they had made to one another with
00:23:15.780 the declaration of independence and so from arnold's point of view um he began to think
00:23:21.420 well since the continental congress is no one to trust uh when it comes to the welfare of this country
00:23:28.500 uh it's time to bring the british back uh we've defaulted on the pledge we made to ourselves let's bring
00:23:36.240 the british back to restore the freedoms we enjoyed before this uh misbegotten revolution
00:23:42.000 and so from his standpoint his what he uh what the others would regard as an act of treason
00:23:48.560 an attempt to uh to sell west point to the british uh he saw it as an act of patriotism uh you know
00:23:55.740 that it was up to someone like him to restore the government uh that had uh uh that had been
00:24:04.140 you know fallen and uh because the american people had proven incapable of governing themselves
00:24:10.180 so at what point did arnold decide to betray his country and i thought this interesting too
00:24:16.000 what role did his wife play in his betrayal yeah well you know arnold uh you know spouses
00:24:23.920 have a big influence on how people think and arnold uh you know had was was the the the hero of
00:24:31.220 saratoga um they had been forced to evacuate with the entrance of france after the battle of saratoga
00:24:37.800 they needed to consolidate their forces in new york and so arnold became the commander of this
00:24:43.280 war-torn city where there's literally fighting in the streets uh between uh patriots and and uh more
00:24:50.420 conservative loyalist leading citizens and um and arnold being the controversial person he was was soon
00:24:57.340 surrounded in controversy he was really unhappy with what was going on in the country and and
00:25:02.760 personally but he had fallen in love uh a a girl literally half his age 18 year old peggy shippen
00:25:09.340 he was 36 a widower with three young sons and they fell in love and uh her father uh her family was
00:25:16.980 well-to-do philadelphians who had royal connections prior to the revolution during the british occupation
00:25:23.080 she and her sisters had enjoyed socializing with the british officers one of whom major john andre
00:25:29.040 had uh had done a sketch of her that um just shows how beautiful a woman she really was
00:25:34.500 and uh within a month of uh their marriage um uh arnold would uh send his first feelers to the british
00:25:43.400 who are now in new york uh and uh that that feeler would go to none other than major john andre the
00:25:50.080 officer whom peggy had befriended and would become the british spy chief and and over the next year and a
00:25:56.720 half uh they would negotiate back and forth with arnold uh a wangling command of west point the most
00:26:04.980 important fortress in america and scheming to turn that over to the british and um so he he made that
00:26:13.700 decision he to to give over west point it failed i mean it was kind of i mean i i mean i i guess we
00:26:20.880 won't go into this because um we're almost out of time but like how it failed was it just seemed like
00:26:25.180 it was like pure chance and pure luck that this uh you know well the thing about arnold um you know
00:26:31.560 he was a good battlefield general and he was pretty darn good uh as a scheming uh uh uh traitor uh you
00:26:39.860 know he he had been in negotiations for more than a year and yet the very extensive spy network that
00:26:45.500 washington and others had put together had no notion no clue of what arnold was trying to do
00:26:51.220 and um and he and andre meet at night on the banks of the hudson river uh exchange the documents that
00:26:59.500 are crucial to the the taking of west point it's all about to happen uh andre needs to get back to
00:27:07.160 british occupied new york to make to make it happen but he's captured by three militiamen and it's only
00:27:12.800 that that uh foiled what might have been uh the plot that uh ended that made great britain victorious
00:27:21.880 yeah but then what i thought was interesting the book is that you you argue that arnold committing
00:27:28.000 treason was probably the best thing that could have happened to the americans why was his you know his
00:27:34.180 treason such a boon to the revolutionary cause well you know by the fall of 1780 uh the american war
00:27:41.940 effort had cratered it seemed like the american people had just given up uh you know no they
00:27:48.080 weren't willing they had hadn't been willing to pay taxes the british now they weren't willing to pay
00:27:52.560 the taxes required to fund the army needed to win them independence and um it just and they were
00:28:00.180 fracturing into 13 independent polities you know instead of functioning as a country but it was the
00:28:06.460 revelation of arnold's betrayal he you know this great uh hero who had uh tried to turn over west
00:28:13.040 point to the british this was uh had a galvanizing effect uh arnold would be burned in effigy in towns
00:28:19.500 up and down the eastern seaboard this was a true wake-up call and um i don't think it's an accident that
00:28:26.540 within a year's time uh america would enjoy the incredible victory at yorktown uh that would make
00:28:35.880 uh the victory of war in independent and the war of independence inevitable and and it's interesting
00:28:41.980 arnold uh uh would become a british brigadier general and be sent down to virginia and washington
00:28:49.400 was by this time very angry with arnold and making a real personal cause to get him
00:28:55.340 sent lafayette the the french general upon whom had become a virtual son to him down to get him
00:29:01.880 and this begins the movement of troops that would ultimately culminate in the great victory at yorktown
00:29:06.880 so i think ultimately you could argue that in the early years of the revolution arnold did more than
00:29:12.540 anyone short of washington for america but it was as a traitor uh that he really made possible ultimate
00:29:20.020 victory my guest here is nathaniel filbrick he's the author of the book valiant ambition it's
00:29:24.780 available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere also if you want to delve deeper into this topic
00:29:28.420 check out our show notes at aom.is slash ambition
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