The Art of Manliness - #244： Ask Frances - Brain Farts, Braggarts, and Civil Political Discussion

00:00:00.000 brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of the manliness podcast so last year

00:00:18.560 i had image consultant francis colt jones on the podcast to discuss her book how to wow proven

00:00:23.440 strategies to sell your brilliant self at the end of that episode francis invited aowin podcast

00:00:28.320 listeners to ask her questions via her website about anything pertaining to personal presentation

00:00:32.960 and social skills like job interviews small talk public speaking and so on and boy did you guys

00:00:38.260 respond francis and i figured if one of you guys had a certain question there are probably hundreds

00:00:42.980 more who have the same one so we've created this quarterly series on the podcast called ask francis

00:00:47.560 where francis will answer some of the questions you've all submitted to her on our website in

00:00:51.080 today's edition francis provides tips on what to do if you lose your train of thought while speaking

00:00:55.320 it's happened to me several times how to avoid coming across like a know-it-all how to handle

00:00:59.540 a braggart at the office an extremely timely topic with the presidential election less than a month

00:01:04.180 away how to discuss politics with someone with differing political views tactfully and respectfully

00:01:09.460 answers to those dilemmas and more coming up be sure to check the show notes out at aom.is

00:01:14.320 slash fcj2 again it's aom.is slash fcj2 for links to resources where you can delve deeper into this topic

00:01:21.400 francis cole jones welcome back to the show thank you so much so for those of you aren't familiar

00:01:31.080 with francis uh she is a media and image consultant where she coaches high-profile individuals about

00:01:37.300 how to put their best foot forward foot forward for job interviews sales pitches media appearances

00:01:43.360 etc she's also the author of a book called how to wow and we had her on the podcast about it's been

00:01:49.460 about a year ago now coming up on to talk about her book and her work and um at the end of that show

00:01:55.400 she invited art of manly as podcast listeners to submit questions they had about personal presentation

00:02:01.180 it could be anything from how to prepare for a job interview small talk dealing with office politics

00:02:07.200 etc and she was inundated with questions from you all and so what we decided to do um we bring her

00:02:14.140 back on the show about once a quarter to answer some of these questions that you all have asked her

00:02:19.940 because i figure if one person has that question there's probably you know seven dozen others who

00:02:24.920 have that question as as well um so francis has sent me a list of some of the questions she's asked and

00:02:30.900 i think i feel like francis would you agree like the topic the main big topic of this is dealing with

00:02:36.160 sort of social awkwardness that can come up when you're dealing with small talk and then also office

00:02:41.440 politics yes i mean it's it's funny because these are these seemingly innocuous situations but as

00:02:49.220 i certainly know from my own experience you know you're just kind of chatting and the next thing

00:02:55.520 you know the whole thing goes south um so so and then there are also these moments where people find

00:03:02.280 themselves in that situation and for whatever reason they're so upset that they lose their train of

00:03:07.640 thought and and then they you know you leave and you just berate yourself because you say i can't you

00:03:14.740 know i wish i'd said this or i can't believe you know i i could have done that so it's just about

00:03:20.420 hopefully trying to keep a cool head in the moment okay that sounds great all right well let's get to

00:03:25.940 some of these questions you mentioned it just now one of the question was you're having a conversation

00:03:31.960 with somebody you get flustered for whatever reason maybe you're upset or maybe you just you're having

00:03:39.220 a hard time you know figuring out what you're going to say and your thoughts get all jumbled and you lose

00:03:43.520 your train of thought i think we've all had that moment where we were talking in the middle we're just

00:03:48.160 like uh i just forgot what i was going to say and that can be really embarrassing for folks so what can

00:03:54.700 people do uh when they lose their train of thought in the middle of a conversation well they're they're

00:04:00.060 kind of two ways to approach it one is is if you know you're going to be in a situation or you're

00:04:06.300 going to be meeting up with somebody who tends to fluster you um just to kind of hopefully think

00:04:14.740 that through ahead of time a little bit and that looks like thinking through one of the hardest things

00:04:20.920 in the world is to field a softball question so like how was your summer really my entire summer

00:04:27.300 um so i want in anytime you get a big fat softball like that or what do you think we should do in this

00:04:33.580 situation pick one very specific thing so if you do get a softball like how was your summer my favorite

00:04:42.240 thing i did was x bam and then great conversation rolling you know if you're in an office situation

00:04:49.100 someone says what should we do about well one thing we could do immediately is blah blah so just that's

00:04:56.500 just a handy tip for any kind of a big fat softball that people throw at you the other thing i want 1.00

00:05:03.160 you to do is again if you're meeting if you're thinking about someone who tends to make you tense

00:05:07.380 think about what are the worst three things that you can imagine this person saying to you

00:05:11.540 because a lot of times you know we'll just be like well i hope that doesn't come up and hope

00:05:16.120 isn't really a strategy so think through those those few answers um so that's prepping it ahead of time

00:05:24.280 if it you're in an impromptu moment and your mind goes blank what i want you to do is to say

00:05:30.800 i'd like to think about that for a second because i want to give you the best answer possible

00:05:37.580 i can't think of anybody in this world who says oh can you believe that guy that wanted to give me

00:05:43.600 the best answer possible you know so it just it's not going to happen and you know whomever you're

00:05:49.500 speaking with this plea is that you're actually giving it that level of consideration the other

00:05:55.700 thing you can do is if you begin to answer and you get stuck you want to fill people in on what's

00:06:02.460 happening but the important piece of that is you want to do it without apologizing so instead of

00:06:10.680 saying like i'm so sorry i just lost my train of thought blah blah which requires that person

00:06:16.800 to now feel badly for you and to somehow jump in what you want to say is you know what i need to

00:06:25.260 gather my thoughts i'm you know i'm going to thank you for your patience while i do this or i'm going

00:06:31.260 to ask you for your patience while i gather my thoughts because there's that moment when you make

00:06:36.300 that very specific request that people are like oh okay i want to be that person for you i want to be

00:06:43.280 that patient person so those are just some things that you can that you can have in your

00:06:48.420 toolbox your conversational toolbox i like that and i mean also i think the thing is like don't

00:06:55.700 yeah i think all these things don't make a big deal about it because i think the bigger deal you make

00:06:59.220 about it it becomes a bigger deal than it really is right and the other thing is don't pretend it's

00:07:04.400 not happening because a lot of what times what happens is people keep talking while they're trying to

00:07:09.900 figure out what they are saying and then you can either just go down some wacky rabbit hole that

00:07:16.880 you end up having to clean up or i mean it just things usually end poorly so just stop fill people

00:07:23.240 in on what's occurring ask for their patience and then move along briskly okay great advice so i mean

00:07:30.840 similar to that someone asks how do you recover from tripping over your words um and this happens if

00:07:36.940 you're giving a presentation or you're just doing small talk or you're in a job interview you're

00:07:40.280 really nervous you start speaking really fast and you just blah barf things out um how do you recover

00:07:47.260 from that i mean when you get what you can do try not to apologize so you know you could say like hang

00:07:54.640 on a second i've gotten myself into a verbal tangle i'm going to start again so i can be sure to give

00:08:03.320 you the best answer possible so just really alerting people to what's occurring for you the other thing

00:08:11.500 that can be nice also if you if you know that you're going into a situation with your boss or very often

00:08:18.180 people also have trouble talking to their doctors things like that any authority figure i i recommend

00:08:24.120 bringing a pen and paper because as old school as it seems just to say to somebody you know what i know

00:08:32.140 this conversation is important so i want to take notes it slows everything down again so that you

00:08:38.660 don't end up getting into those kind of weird verbal cul-de-sacs but it also makes the person that

00:08:44.700 you're talking to feel really important you know people love it when you write down what they say

00:08:51.080 so that's another tool um that can be very very useful all right slows things down i think you

00:08:57.320 mentioned that in our last step at the time we had you on uh writing to taking you're writing notes

00:09:01.720 like have a pen and paper out when you're having an important conversation because it not only slows

00:09:06.220 things the con slows the conversation down but it also gives you a record like if you're talking to a

00:09:11.800 boss and he asks you for something right and then three weeks later he asks for something completely

00:09:16.280 different you can say well i have here right i'm looking at my notes which spares you the discomfort

00:09:23.100 of saying like you said it's no i'm looking at my notes right so okay well that's great stuff so

00:09:30.960 good advice there on how to um recover from losing your train of thought or recovering from tripping

00:09:36.280 over your words just slow things down and uh great stuff so let's go over to this one this is this

00:09:41.500 someone asked um this can come up if i think it work a lot even your personal life where

00:09:47.160 you know a lot about a topic and you're eager to share all that you know about that topic

00:09:53.040 but you don't want to come across like a know-it-all so how do you avoid that right um

00:10:00.260 you know i think that there are a few ways that you can front load what you're about to say

00:10:06.200 so before you launch into it you can say something like i'm guessing most of you know this or

00:10:13.480 i'm sure you know most of you are thinking the same thing or i'm probably you know not the only

00:10:19.940 one in the room with this idea um because what that does is that allows the people that you're

00:10:25.840 talking to to to say to themselves i guess i did know that or you know i guess i was thinking the same

00:10:33.220 thing um and so that's just a way to front load if you're about to bust into the conversation with

00:10:42.400 kind of knowing everything the other thing that you can do is is if as you pause um as you're moving

00:10:48.560 through it rather than saying you know does this make sense which can land for people uh as if you

00:10:55.940 think they're not quite as clever as you are you could say am i making sense and that takes the onus 0.97

00:11:05.200 for clarity on you so rather than inferring they're stupid you've now said it's possible that 0.97

00:11:12.020 i'm not being clear so am i making sense is a great um way to check in with people halfway through 0.58

00:11:20.400 you know you can also say you know does anybody have any questions so far so just that that kind

00:11:26.260 of checking in and allowing people to interject if they need to um the other thing i just want you

00:11:33.180 to be aware of is that when you do pause this way am i making sense any questions so far you actually

00:11:38.500 want to not just do it in a uh kind of token way you really need to pause and give people the

00:11:49.480 opportunity to ask any questions because sometimes it takes people um you know a second or two to get

00:11:56.400 the courage to to pipe up so yes all right so i mean and also i mean are there moments where you

00:12:04.680 should just like hold back or should you go ahead and say what you know because you know while some

00:12:11.060 people might know what you're talking about there might be others who don't um you know there are

00:12:16.520 moments where you should just hold back and i'm gonna bite my my tongue here and just not reveal what i

00:12:21.780 know yeah i mean i mean if you find that every single time you know the a question is asked you

00:12:29.020 know you're the one you know with your metaphorical hand in the air um then yeah then it's time to let

00:12:35.400 other people have their moment in the sun uh the other thing you can do though is if if you do if

00:12:41.460 somebody does pipe up with an idea um and for whatever reason you know again because you know you do know

00:12:49.220 it all um but for whatever reason you want to uh you you think it's not 100 complete what you can do

00:12:57.380 with that is to say you know if i could add to what jim just said because what that does is it validates

00:13:05.860 that jim's contribution had you know was meaningful um and then it allows you to you know to include

00:13:14.560 what it was that you really needed people to know so great advice there that's awesome um so kind of

00:13:21.460 related to this topic of not coming off as a know-it-all is the uh when the shoe's on the other

00:13:27.860 foot say you're talking to someone and they're just coming off as a know-it-all or they're bragging

00:13:33.940 about what they're doing or they're doing the humble brag right well they're not exactly you know

00:13:39.420 explicitly bragging but they're they're they're bragging a little bit um how do you handle

00:13:45.180 individuals like that well in these moments you know if you have somebody who's consistently bragging

00:13:52.940 i always go back to uh something that my brother um my brother always says which is you know tell me

00:14:00.540 your pretensions and i'll tell you your insecurities um so i always tend to look at what people

00:14:07.440 are being braggy about and say to myself wow that's something that they actually feel

00:14:14.400 you know very very insecure about um otherwise they wouldn't be braggy uh because the you know

00:14:22.060 thing to remember is that if people are being that way you know if you really are deeply deeply cool

00:14:27.660 you don't need to be to remind people about it right so someone who's bragging is having a attack of

00:14:34.860 insecurity um which is you know hopefully a more compassionate way to approach the conversation

00:14:40.500 uh and then you know so with that in mind you know what you can do is is is validate them

00:14:49.200 you know validate they're they're requesting validation they want to know that you think that

00:14:54.560 they're fantastic so although it can be hard if you make a conscious decision about it it can also be a

00:15:01.100 little bit fun i mean so you know if for example you have somebody who's going on and on well i went

00:15:06.340 to this very exclusive restaurant where nobody can get a reservation and then after i was there i sent

00:15:12.820 back my wine because you know this whole kind of blah blah blah rather than you know shutting them off

00:15:20.420 or um you're talking about an experience that you had you could say yeah you know really it sounds

00:15:26.460 like you know a lot about wine you know where did you learn that how did you come to know so much

00:15:31.840 and they're going to be so excited about this you know and you know yes you're probably gonna have to do

00:15:39.800 20 minutes on how they learn so much about wine but i think what this does is that as people get

00:15:47.160 you know more comfortable that you believe their backstory and that you accept them

00:15:53.120 the bragging will hopefully fall away a little bit

00:15:56.360 um so yes if you can stay in wow that's really impressive where did you learn so much or wow and

00:16:03.160 then what happened you know just just i think it's nice to let braggarts talk until they run

00:16:09.160 out of steam all right that's great so that's great advice you have to play the long game

00:16:14.460 you have to think you do and just realize that it it comes usually from insecurity rather than

00:16:20.220 anything else okay well speaking of insecurity one other question that someone asked is how do you

00:16:27.540 feel when you what do you do when you feel like you're outclassed i can see this happening for this

00:16:32.660 happening in a whole wide variety situations maybe you're with friends or associates who you know are

00:16:39.220 have more money than you or you're you know new at a job you're the low man on the totem pole

00:16:44.560 and everyone has lots of experience over you and they just they're not even probably intentionally 0.98

00:16:50.100 trying to make you feel dumb but like they make you feel dumb

00:16:53.980 um so what do you do when you feel out outclassed um i think that you know there's there's people who 0.89

00:17:03.880 are are who cause you to feel outclassed unintentionally and intentionally so again it's

00:17:10.280 looking at what's what's behind it sometimes people are just talking and you know about their

00:17:16.820 fabulous summer or their this or their that and you can be like wow i my summer doesn't sound quite

00:17:22.360 so interesting um in those moments you know if their intention is just they're just chatting away

00:17:29.200 again ask them some open-ended questions there's no way that people will not find you charming

00:17:36.360 if i get you come back to you know tell me more about that or where did you learn that or that

00:17:41.980 you know that sounds like it was extraordinary you know is it something that i might want to look into

00:17:46.340 that type of thing um if you know if you're feeling outclassed by people who love to kind of use

00:17:52.480 you know the big 10 cent words um to let you know how very smart they are that's again just something

00:18:01.160 you need to let roll off of you um in a way and embrace you know what you're bringing to the party

00:18:08.280 it can be hard to do um but authenticity is actually and simplicity are actually incredibly compelling

00:18:18.260 um and if you doubt me look at someone like you know clint eastwood who doesn't say anything and is

00:18:23.960 without a doubt the coolest in any situation or uh i always go back to the john wayne quote which is you

00:18:30.980 know talk low talk slow and don't say too much um so those are nice if you know just in terms of

00:18:38.980 really practical stuff if you are going into a social situation where you worried you're going to feel

00:18:44.880 like you don't know what to do with the fork or the handshake or how to greet somebody you know do the

00:18:51.460 research um and as kooky as it sounds you know there's a book called tiffany's table manners for

00:18:57.440 teenagers so it's a really you know down and dirty how-to primer on how to get through almost any

00:19:05.540 social situation um and and that can be you know very very useful um so those are the the types of

00:19:15.740 ways that i would approach that kind of thing all right so let's talk about this i'm sure everyone's

00:19:20.080 experienced experiences if they work at an office there's that one guy or one gal who no matter if they

00:19:26.640 just anytime they swing by or walk by your desk you're in the middle of a report you're in the

00:19:32.080 zone and they want to stop and just talk about the game or what they did this weekend they just go on

00:19:38.000 and on and on and you know 30 minutes later you haven't made any progress um so how do you what do

00:19:45.360 you do with the office chatterbox i mean you want them to go away because you want to get to work at the

00:19:49.700 same time you don't want to be rude about it so what's the best approach there so in these moments you

00:19:55.140 need to be frank and kind at the same time so this could sound something like first you just need to

00:20:04.180 be very clear so i wanted to talk to you about a situation that's occurring for me in the office

00:20:10.020 you know i noticed that you love to chat about a lot of stuff and that is so great for office

00:20:16.460 camaraderie and i know that we all depend on you um to to keep us all in the loop about so many things

00:20:22.340 and you know it's a great way to find out about people's weekends and birthdays and kids and things

00:20:26.300 like that the downside of this for me is that i find myself distracted from the work that i need to

00:20:34.240 get done um and then you need to give people the because because you know i know that office

00:20:40.900 productivity is super important to everybody you know i'm may i make a request if i'm finding the

00:20:48.640 chatting distracting would it be okay if i alerted you about it so what this does is that you begin

00:20:55.940 with a compliment you begin with what's working i love what you're doing this is what works about

00:21:01.160 being the chatterbox this is how it contributes to our you know our well-being the well-being of

00:21:06.820 everybody you probably don't want to call them a chatterbox right now this is why it's so great

00:21:11.740 you're a chatterbox linda this is what's so great about the chatting that you do because it really

00:21:16.120 does keep us all in the loop and and it is so important for office camaraderie so this is the

00:21:21.080 what's working um you know theory that i i believe i've spoken about before but it comes from you know

00:21:27.700 the apollo 13 movie which is when they first called down from the spacecraft and the very first question

00:21:33.520 that ed harris asks is what's working so let's start with what i like about what you're doing

00:21:38.480 i love that you're contributing to office camaraderie and then the next part of that is you aren't saying

00:21:44.360 that she is distracting or he is distracting to you all you're saying is that you are distracted

00:21:51.440 uh so again taking the onus for being unable to work on yourself um so that that's that's very helpful

00:22:02.920 um and then the third thing is is that you know you you kind of need to remind her like everybody's got

00:22:10.020 skin in the game everybody needs to be productive so um if it's okay can you let me know how you want

00:22:17.420 me to alert you if i'm needing to like put my head down and get back to my report um and what this does

00:22:26.860 is it gives the person who's chatting a sense of control so you can say how do you want me to let you

00:22:31.900 know do you want me to im you do you want me to leave a note on your desk um do you want me to you

00:22:38.400 know just talk to you quietly can we work out some kind of a high sign but what that does is it gives

00:22:43.640 that person a sense of control um over a situation rather than just feeling like the whole thing is

00:22:49.040 out of control gotcha what's your take on it's like putting headphones on i think it's like one of

00:22:55.240 the ways people do it now i remember when i was a law student and i was studying and i would just put

00:23:00.260 even if i wasn't listening to anything i would just put headphones on so people wouldn't bother me

00:23:03.600 yeah it's it's the i mean that's you can do that but the trouble with that is i mean i don't know

00:23:10.940 about you i'm i'm still fuming um so and also you don't want to spend you know eight or ten hours a

00:23:19.740 day in headphones so it's just i think yes you can in moments or you can say to her like can i let you

00:23:27.160 know that if i have my headphones on or him if i have my headphones on this really means i've got

00:23:32.560 my head down and i can't i i've got to stay with what i'm doing in front of me so maybe that's your

00:23:38.420 signal right and i guess the other the other issue with headphones is that if you have them on all the

00:23:42.400 time it could cut you off from important conversation that you know could actually make

00:23:46.800 you more productive right someone swings by hey i got this tip but if you have your headphones on

00:23:52.360 that's never going to happen yes and then all of a sudden you're the one who's anti-social so 0.80

00:23:57.840 right yeah there you're the the weirdo who never talks to anybody all right um so let's talk about

00:24:03.820 this francis this is very timely for this time of year we're in an election year uh politics is being

00:24:10.800 discussed feverishly right now what do you how do you have a conversation with someone when your

00:24:16.740 political views differ and this could happen at the office or just when you're with friends or

00:24:22.240 associates at a you know at a party what's the best way to tactfully have a conversation with about

00:24:27.600 politics when your the your views differ from them right um yes it's gonna be an exciting fall

00:24:35.360 so i think that what can be really helpful is to fall back on active listening so for example if

00:24:45.100 you're talking to somebody and for whatever reason they're unhappy with what how our current president

00:24:51.640 has handled things so they might say you know obama has done x and y and z incorrectly and blah blah blah

00:24:58.560 this whole thing and then so we just want to demonstrate that you've heard what they said so

00:25:04.180 you say well it sounds like you really disagree with x policy at which point they're really reduced to

00:25:12.440 saying you're right i do so now at least you have them agreeing with you so you're not um so it's not

00:25:20.680 quite as contentious because the thing i mean i think that we all know sadly um is that you aren't

00:25:28.540 really going to change anybody's mind during these conversations any more than your facebook post is

00:25:34.300 going to change somebody's mind or you're you know you know telling somebody why they're wrong in the

00:25:41.660 you know starbucks is going to change somebody's mind um so it's just really better if you want to

00:25:46.620 get out of it gracefully gracefully to do active listening so wow it sounds like you're really

00:25:51.700 committed to so-and-so's idea about immigration yes it's true blah blah blah i am oh and then again

00:26:01.120 tell me more about that so this and that tell me more um another great phrase in these moments is let me

00:26:07.660 think about that or i love you've given me a lot to think about um which is just a variation on uh

00:26:17.760 what barbara walters she did a great book uh which i love um and she's she says uh well her exit line

00:26:26.840 when someone is being truly horrible is always you've obviously given this a lot of thought and

00:26:32.140 it's been interesting to hear your views it's a good one yes i know you've obviously given this a

00:26:39.200 lot of thought totally true um so so yes that's what i would i would recommend is just active listening

00:26:47.720 in these moments and and not try to you know pummel them in the head and say hey this is why i'm

00:26:55.120 writing while you're wrong right or you know but you've forgotten about blah blah blah i mean again i think

00:27:01.960 it will always depend on the person that you're speaking with some people do enjoy a healthy

00:27:07.200 debate and some people are in the business of having their minds changed um but i mean i don't know

00:27:15.520 about you but i very often think that i'm right about most things so so it can be hard um and sometimes

00:27:25.740 it isn't worth it if it's somebody that you have to see every day and if you get into a confrontation

00:27:32.480 with them and then that has to you know be part and parcel of every conversation it's just you know

00:27:39.280 it's easier not to to go down you know to get involved in any i mean besides i mean what if things

00:27:45.020 get really heated i mean i guess i guess that would work the barbara walters line work if things get 1.00

00:27:48.740 really heated you can just bow out and say well it seems like you're giving really a lot of thought

00:27:52.200 to it and leave so is there any other tactics if things get like way you're just like oh man this

00:27:56.960 has just gone way too far um we should end this and not say like i'm gonna stop talking because that

00:28:03.980 just makes you look weird right i think you can say you know what again you know you've given me a lot

00:28:08.400 to think about and i noticed you know so what i'd love to do is pick this up another time

00:28:14.900 you know yeah and just just really but but end that conversation in that moment and if they want

00:28:24.320 to you know keep going just say you know what i'm and you can be being frank and clear you know what

00:28:28.840 i'm you know i'm worried that this is getting out of hand and your uh our relationship is valuable to

00:28:35.780 me so it just in the interest of preserving our relationship i'm i'm gonna ask to step i'm gonna

00:28:42.460 step away for a while um and again i'd love to pick this up with you another time okay some solid

00:28:49.080 advice there well francis this has been great we uh we i think we covered a lot of great awkward

00:28:54.300 situations that can come up and how to handle them gracefully um but where can people learn more about

00:29:00.240 your work and where can they ask more questions uh from you so my website is my name um franciscolejones.com

00:29:09.740 and that's francis with an e and not an i and uh once you go there there i have a number of

00:29:16.480 resources um i have as you mentioned i have a few books um how to wow is one and while your way into

00:29:24.480 the job of your dreams is another i have a lot of videos on the site both for you know if you want to

00:29:31.380 get promoted and that's uh being that's some tricky i have some etiquette videos i have some job

00:29:37.040 interview videos so you can click around to watch those and i tried to make them funny um i did a

00:29:43.160 lot on green screen so i did them like i'm samantha i'm dewitch so i have a situation that's going poorly

00:29:48.380 and then i pop in on green screen um and then there is as as you've heard i have an ask a question

00:29:55.700 button and so please um please please send me your questions because i do love uh i love to hear

00:30:02.380 from people and i love to think about the questions that you have and if i have any good advice it's um

00:30:08.720 it really is my pleasure to to share that so um please send me a question on the ask a question button

00:30:14.760 great and uh like we'll next like we just did now we'll uh get back with you after you accumulated a

00:30:21.060 giant list of them and we'll talk about some of the ones that were the most pertinent um that came

00:30:26.360 up quite a bit well francis as always it's been a a pleasure thank you so much for your time thank

00:30:32.660 you have a good afternoon my guest there was francis cole jones she's a image consultant author 0.98

00:30:37.900 of the book how to wow it's available on amazon.com and if you'd like to ask francis a question that we

00:30:43.320 might use later on in the podcast uh just go to franciscolejones.com she has a little uh

00:30:48.380 question submission form in our sidebar ask her a question she'll answer it um even if we don't

00:30:53.460 use it in this episode so go do that again franciscolejones.com be sure to check out the

00:30:58.220 show notes at aom.is slash fcj2 for links to resources we can delve deeper into this topic

00:31:03.420 well that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness podcast for more

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The Art of Manliness - October 18, 2016

#244： Ask Frances - Brain Farts, Braggarts, and Civil Political Discussion

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