The Art of Manliness - January 26, 2017


#273： How to Get a Job Promotion This Year

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For many of you listening, getting a promotion or a raise this year is likely a New Year s goal. But what s the best approach to take to ensure this desire becomes a reality? My guest today argues that if you want to ask for that promotion this year, you need to start laying the groundwork months before making that pitch to your boss. And she walks us through exactly what you should do to establish that groundwork.

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00:00:00.000 Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. So for many of
00:00:19.220 you listening, getting a promotion or a raise this year is likely a New Year's goal. But what's
00:00:23.920 the best approach to take to ensure this desire becomes a reality? My guest today argues that if
00:00:28.860 you want to ask for that promotion this year, you need to start laying the groundwork months
00:00:32.540 before making that pitch to your boss. And she walks us through exactly what you need
00:00:36.420 to establish that groundwork. Her name is Frances Cole-Jones. She's an executive image consultant
00:00:40.540 and the author of How to Wow and a regular guest on the Art of Manliness podcast. Today
00:00:45.120 on the show, Frances shares the common mistakes people make when asking for promotion, as well
00:00:49.980 as the exact steps you need to take months before making your request in order to set
00:00:54.020 yourself up for success. And we also discuss what to do if that answer to your request
00:00:59.320 for promotion or raise ends up being no. This episode is packed with actionable advice. After
00:01:03.760 the show is over, check out the show notes at aom.is slash promotion.
00:01:17.920 Frances Cole-Jones, welcome to the show.
00:01:20.680 Thank you so much.
00:01:21.680 Well, it's glad to have you back. We've had you on several times now to talk about personal
00:01:26.760 presentation, business etiquette, just how does Excel in the workforce, in the workplace.
00:01:33.100 And every time we've had you on the show, we've invited our listeners to go to your website
00:01:37.320 because you have a form there where people can ask you questions about anything, about dress
00:01:43.860 and appearance, business etiquette, whatever. And every time we've done that, we've had tons
00:01:49.380 of responses from our listeners. And it seems like this time around, there are a lot of
00:01:53.200 questions about asking for promotion. Because it's a new year, I imagine people are thinking
00:02:00.260 about setting resolutions for themselves. And I'm sure one resolution is to ask for promotion
00:02:04.940 because a promotion means new responsibilities, new opportunities for professional and personal
00:02:09.780 growth, and also could also mean more money.
00:02:12.460 So let's talk about promotions today, how to ask for a promotion.
00:02:17.740 But I imagine asking for a promotion isn't something you just show up to the boss one
00:02:22.940 day and say, hey, I'd like a promotion.
00:02:25.760 I think I should be promoted today.
00:02:27.800 Right.
00:02:28.040 Yeah, that usually ends poorly.
00:02:32.240 So what kind of groundwork? So I mean, I imagine there's some groundwork you should do before
00:02:35.740 you even ask for a promotion. So what does that look like?
00:02:38.860 Well, I think, yes, that's one of the reasons why it's so important to start thinking about
00:02:43.620 it in January. If it's something that you want to have happen, say in 2017, because everybody
00:02:50.460 has different timelines and different budgets. And you need to factor that in because, you know,
00:02:56.920 one of the things that your boss wants to know is that you can think like an executive
00:03:01.680 and that you have considered things from his or her point of view.
00:03:07.000 So, I mean, the same way you can't just expect to lose 10 pounds tomorrow, you can't expect
00:03:11.760 to be promoted tomorrow. But, you know, do lay the groundwork now. And I have a couple
00:03:16.400 of, you know, three or four things that I do want you to be doing and three or four things
00:03:19.720 that I never want you to do in order to get your boss and yourself in the right, you know,
00:03:25.560 essentially mindset to be promoted.
00:03:28.380 All right. So what are those things?
00:03:30.800 So in terms of things that I think are important to think about, you know, it sounds, you know,
00:03:37.400 really basic. But one of the things that, you know, everyone talks about is dress for the
00:03:42.200 job you want, not the job that you have. And this is true if you do want to get promoted.
00:03:47.560 I mean, your boss and the other, you know, C-suite people want to know that you are paying
00:03:53.840 attention to them. So, you know, just a really simple example is if your office has dressed
00:03:59.600 down Friday, but nobody in the position that you would like to be in dresses down on Friday,
00:04:06.180 then as much as you want to come in, in your jeans and your sneakers, you know, my first
00:04:11.400 recommendation would be don't do that. You know, show them that you're willing to step up
00:04:15.800 and, you know, do what they're doing. So, I mean, again, this is a very small thing,
00:04:20.760 but it seems to make a big impression. One of the other things that I think is really important
00:04:27.560 to do is to speak up. And that, you know, that isn't just in meetings. That is, you know,
00:04:37.100 as seemingly small as a lot of people get into the elevator with their CEO or their boss.
00:04:43.200 And, you know, one of two things happens. You know, one is they just, you know, completely
00:04:49.780 become mute and they don't say a word. They don't acknowledge that that person is in the
00:04:55.320 elevator with them. The other thing that they can do that's almost, well, that's equally
00:05:00.620 troubling, maybe more troubling, is that they just continue either having some wacky conversation
00:05:07.140 with a colleague in the elevator about something that maybe they shouldn't be talking about in front
00:05:12.540 of their boss. Or, you know, they just take out their phone and they stare at it as if it's, you
00:05:17.240 know, a crystal ball. So, what I really want you to do in those moments is to just say to your boss or
00:05:25.660 your CEO, you know, good morning or good afternoon and how are you and how was your weekend and,
00:05:31.320 you know, how was your holiday, whatever it might be. But just to, again, people are looking for more
00:05:37.220 than, you know, the skills that are directly applicable to your job. They're looking to make
00:05:43.040 sure that you have soft skills. And soft skills include being able to make small talk. So, yes,
00:05:50.140 pipe up. 0.91
00:05:51.340 Also, I mean, I imagine that that's important too because if you're getting promoted, it might
00:05:55.840 mean you're going to be working with the boss or have more contact with him on a more frequent
00:06:00.480 basis. So, he wants to know that, you know, do I get along with this guy? Will I enjoy spending
00:06:03.920 more time with him? They want to be able to picture you already being part of the team.
00:06:09.520 And this is just a really easy way to make that happen.
00:06:13.240 And on the dress thing, so what if you work in a company where it's very casual? Should
00:06:19.120 you stay casual? You don't want to like overdress for the job, right? Like if you're the CEOs
00:06:23.680 are wearing, you know, t-shirt and jeans, like you might, you don't want to wear a suit.
00:06:29.880 No, no, you don't want to do that. Don't come in in your ascot.
00:06:32.940 Ascot and Monocle.
00:06:35.900 I'm telling you, I did see somebody in my office one day at an ascot. Anyway.
00:06:41.240 Only Cary Grant can pull off the ascot.
00:06:43.880 Especially when they're standing at a Xerox machine. But at any rate, we'll set that to
00:06:48.340 one side for the moment. And no, you don't want to dress better than your boss because
00:06:54.780 then he's kind of wondering whether or not you even need a raise. But I would say you want
00:06:59.180 to dress at the level of whoever is in charge of you.
00:07:04.260 Gotcha.
00:07:05.140 The other thing I want people to think about is that, you know, as I was saying, you need
00:07:10.620 to factor in the timeline. And if you haven't or you don't have a specific review set up
00:07:17.140 with your boss, you know, now's the time to get that in place. Because what you could do
00:07:21.840 is you could have a review and find out there's six or seven things that your boss wants you
00:07:25.140 to work on. And so let's find out what those are. So now's a good time if you don't have
00:07:30.840 a review set up or you don't have a standing appointment for that to just, you know, tell
00:07:37.080 your boss, this is something that I'm thinking about. I'd love to, you know, set up some time
00:07:43.020 with you to talk about what you might think I can do to improve. But in general, what I
00:07:50.000 would prefer that you not do is don't pounce on your boss with that request. Because it's
00:07:55.980 going to make him or her feel, you know, you don't want to leave them feeling like you're
00:08:00.440 putting them on the spot. So don't tag it on to the end of another conversation, send them
00:08:06.780 a very specific email and just say, you know, performance review could be the subject line.
00:08:13.020 And, you know, just very upbeat, you know, I really want to make sure that I meet and exceed
00:08:18.400 your expectations this year. I don't have a formal review set up. I'd love to set something
00:08:23.200 like that up with you. Things like that. You don't want anyone to feel like they're in trouble.
00:08:27.980 Okay. And you're still not asking for promotion yet. You're just looking.
00:08:32.360 No, you're just, this is, yes, this is just letting them know that you want to exceed,
00:08:40.940 meet and exceed expectations this year. And that you also have the insight into the company
00:08:47.660 to realize this isn't something that's going to happen overnight. That you're aware of timelines
00:08:52.040 and budget constraints. But do, yes, you do want to set something up as soon as possible.
00:08:57.800 Okay. So those are the do's. What about the don'ts that you should kind of think about as
00:09:02.220 you're preparing to ask for a promotion or a raise?
00:09:05.260 Right. Well, so the don'ts are kind of, in the same way Santa Claus is ostensibly watching you all year,
00:09:10.660 you know, your boss and the other C-suite team are watching all the time to see what you're doing
00:09:17.060 and how you're doing it. And there are a couple of things that when they see them, they think,
00:09:21.560 huh, I would prefer not to have that person be part of my day to day life. You know, one of those
00:09:28.300 things is somebody who can never praise or give credit to their coworkers. You know, they, again,
00:09:37.160 leaders are looking for fellow leaders. And one of the easiest ways to convince people that you're
00:09:42.120 ready to lead a team is to, if somebody's done a good job, you know, say in the meeting, you know,
00:09:47.460 I couldn't have done it without so-and-so their, their support, their help was invaluable.
00:09:52.960 So just really make sure that you are seen to be that person who's big enough and essentially ego
00:10:00.280 free enough to spread around the praise and, you know, make sure that everybody, the sun shines on
00:10:07.260 everybody. So the other thing is, is that, you know, and this can be hard, you know, nobody wants
00:10:14.040 to promote somebody who's a sulker. Um, and we all know those people who sulk, who, if they are in a
00:10:21.100 meeting and someone talks over them, they get petulant and there's pen throwing or head tossing or eye
00:10:29.180 rolling, just don't do it. You know, you can interject calmly, you can clean it up later.
00:10:36.240 There are a number of strategies, but sulking never, ever, you know, never, ever does. Well,
00:10:42.740 the other ways that people tend to sulk is that, you know, if they, if things don't go their way,
00:10:47.460 all of a sudden they have a mysterious illness and there are two or three, you know, sudden sick days
00:10:55.900 when they've been healthy as a horse the day before. Um, or, you know, they'll have a temper
00:11:01.020 tantrum with, with, you know, team members or other people, you know, in the break room. So yeah,
00:11:09.240 none of those things is going to go very far because that's the kind of thing where everybody
00:11:13.240 might participate in your temper tantrum in the moment, but word gets around the office that, uh,
00:11:18.900 that that occurred and, uh, it's disquieting to people. So. And the other thing too, is like,
00:11:24.820 don't foist it upon your, your boss. Like don't just suddenly out of the blue, Hey, I'd like a
00:11:29.600 promotion. Like you got to slowly do it. Well, that's, you know, it's one of the things that's
00:11:33.640 interesting. Like I have is, as I think about promotions, um, asking for promotion is both a do
00:11:40.840 and a don't. So there are ways to ask for it that are a don't, you know, don't pounce on your boss.
00:11:48.520 As we said, don't say, you know, tomorrow, Hey, thinking I might be better in your job. Um,
00:11:54.360 one of the other things I don't want you to do when you're talking to your boss about possibly being
00:12:00.600 promoted is don't talk about your feelings. So this isn't the time to say, well, you know,
00:12:07.960 Brett got promoted last year and I think that I should be promoted because, because nobody,
00:12:14.180 no one cares how you feel about it. I know I, it's not fair. It's never something that you need to
00:12:19.860 want to, or want to say in a review or in a conversation about a promotion, because those
00:12:26.280 aren't, it's not about fairness. It's about facts. So this is your time to not talk about your feelings.
00:12:31.980 And the other thing is I don't want you to neglect having a number or a position or a title in mind,
00:12:41.080 because what can happen is you can say, you know, I'm thinking I'd like to be promoted or I'm thinking
00:12:46.160 I deserve a raise. And your boss says to you, that's great. What were you thinking of? And then
00:12:53.000 you're left with your mouth kind of opening and closing like a goldfish. So you've got to have
00:12:58.960 a very specific number or a title in mind and facts to back up why you think you deserve those
00:13:06.340 things. Okay. So it sounds like, let's, so we've, we've kind of established some groundwork. I mean,
00:13:11.200 basically a lot of the groundwork is going to come from that performance review, right?
00:13:15.900 Yes.
00:13:16.180 You schedule that performance review, you're going to get a list of things that your boss wants you to
00:13:21.080 work on or things you can do so you can exceed expectations in your current job.
00:13:26.040 I think the other thing is you want to walk in and say, here's how I think I can improve.
00:13:30.920 Okay. So have ideas. Don't, don't make your boss do all the work.
00:13:34.320 Yeah. Don't make your boss do it because the, he or she will, again, will be impressed with your
00:13:38.380 insight into, you know, that you have that self-awareness. Like this is an area where I've
00:13:44.900 really, really dropped the ball. And there's something that I want to work on. The other thing
00:13:48.920 it does is it keeps you going down some crazy rabbit hole where you're working away on something
00:13:53.280 your boss doesn't care about. I mean, if you go in with some goal that you think is, you know,
00:13:59.280 and your boss is like, that wasn't important to me. Now's the time to find out what's important to
00:14:06.460 your boss and what isn't.
00:14:08.620 Okay. So you have that list, you get whatever that is. Of course, you want to write this down.
00:14:12.700 We've talked about this before in our conversations with, with you. Always have a pen and paper,
00:14:16.900 write things down. Um, and then you schedule a follow-up meeting, I imagine probably six,
00:14:23.200 seven months later would be about right. I think so. I mean, again, I think it's one of
00:14:27.980 these moments that you want to say to your boss, you know, again, being mindful about timelines and
00:14:34.740 when budgets, you know, everybody has a different end of year, you know, time of year. Oddly enough,
00:14:42.460 a lot of people seem to make decisions in March. Um, so what you want to do is say,
00:14:47.960 if I'm looking for this promotion, this raise, this title change, but by when would we need to
00:14:56.140 meet again? So work backward from that date because in a dream world, you get to go in one more time
00:15:04.580 and say, how am I doing? You know, rather than just getting to your end date and finding out,
00:15:11.380 oh no, you're not getting promoted. Um, so, well, here's the question. So when you have that,
00:15:17.000 uh, initial meeting about, um, feedback, right? Performance review, is that when you bring up
00:15:22.900 the possibility of a promotion? Yes. I think you need to be very specific from the beginning.
00:15:29.740 I'm meeting with you. I want to meet and exceed your expectations. My, among my goals for 2017
00:15:35.360 is to be promoted to blah, blah. I mean, because also you need to know right then and there,
00:15:40.780 if your boss turns to you and says, you know what, I've got to be frank with you. This is not
00:15:45.960 something we have in our budget, or this is not how I see your career trajectory. This is not what
00:15:53.200 I see as your career trajectory. Now's the time to find that out as well, because you need to be
00:15:59.340 making other plans. And that's when you begin to start thinking about networking and all those other
00:16:03.300 things. Um, so yes, you need to be very clear about your expectations in a nice way, in an upbeat way,
00:16:11.240 again, not to make people feel like they're in trouble or like you're being either demanding or
00:16:17.580 delusional. So what do you do in that meeting, right? Um, you're having that performance review
00:16:24.440 where you're talking about possibly getting promotion in the year. Um, but you've had incidences
00:16:30.080 in the past that, um, were bad, right? That left a bad, uh, impression upon, on your, on your boss.
00:16:38.080 How do you speak about those so you can move forward in a positive direction?
00:16:44.160 Yeah, well, this comes back to, as I said, walking in with things that you intend to improve on,
00:16:50.820 because it does show self-awareness. If you walked in and say, you know what, in, you know,
00:16:56.600 that meeting last week, I recognize that I didn't, you know, take ownership of this,
00:17:04.360 or I didn't follow up in the timeframe, you know, that was requested or whatever it is.
00:17:09.660 But if you can demonstrate that you know that you dropped the ball and that you have the intention
00:17:17.280 of working on that, that goes a long way toward impressing people, um, about how serious you are
00:17:24.000 about making these kinds of changes.
00:17:26.860 So you, you do all that, um, you work on it and you've done everything you're supposed to,
00:17:30.780 I mean, I, I imagine you should be documenting things you've done, um, throughout the time
00:17:36.020 you're working on these things.
00:17:37.620 Yeah, no, I think you want to always, you know, keep a paper trail.
00:17:40.820 You know, that's one of the things I talk about all the time, even after the meeting with your boss,
00:17:46.680 where you have the goal setting, um, you know, performance review conversation,
00:17:51.800 send a note following up, you know, this is, this is my understanding of, of our conversation today.
00:17:57.860 These are the things I intend to work on.
00:18:00.000 These are the things you would like me to work on, but make sure you have all of that in writing.
00:18:04.320 And then yes, as the months, weeks and months go by, just, you know, let them know that you
00:18:09.460 are keeping that front of mind.
00:18:12.060 Okay.
00:18:12.240 And should you send them like updates?
00:18:15.100 Like, Hey, I've done this.
00:18:16.240 I mean, without, I mean, I can see that kind of being annoying.
00:18:18.060 I mean, yeah, no, you don't want, you don't want to overdo it.
00:18:21.200 Um, I think that, you know, hopefully they, at this point have been impressed with the
00:18:26.040 fact that you are intending to take charge of things.
00:18:29.340 Um, so I don't think you need to follow up all the time and say like, Hey, I need a gold
00:18:33.280 star on my homework.
00:18:34.220 Cause I was a good person today.
00:18:36.040 That's, that's too much.
00:18:37.200 But, uh, but certainly, um, you know, if you do complete a big project and you think they
00:18:44.560 haven't noticed it by all means, fire off an email, but then, but have that document
00:18:50.400 yourself.
00:18:50.700 So when you have the followup meeting, you can present like show, like, here's the value
00:18:55.280 I've added to the company.
00:18:56.440 Here's what I've done.
00:18:57.760 Um, I've exceeded expectations and you can show that to them.
00:19:00.660 It's not just sort of some sort of hazy subjective thing.
00:19:03.040 You actually have actual documentation of what you've done.
00:19:06.360 Right.
00:19:06.540 And the other thing to think about in your performance, when, when you first go in for
00:19:11.320 this meeting is that your boss could say some things to you that are upsetting.
00:19:17.100 I mean, that you, for whatever reason are completely blindsided.
00:19:22.640 You did not imagine that that was their perception of you.
00:19:28.760 So you want to know that that could happen.
00:19:32.040 And if you are somebody who is temperamental, um, or emotional, you don't want to give into
00:19:43.320 either of those avenues in that moment.
00:19:47.500 You don't want to suddenly start arguing with your boss.
00:19:49.740 Well, no, I think you're wrong.
00:19:51.060 I, you know, well, okay, now we have a problem, um, or burst into tears.
00:19:54.960 Um, so one of the things that I do recommend doing, if you have the time, um, and you're
00:20:03.180 serious is to sit down with either a, another colleague who you feel has a good insight into
00:20:09.480 you or with a friend, um, and have them say to you, like some of the things that they think
00:20:15.740 you might be hearing in your performance review, just so, cause it can be shocking when it comes
00:20:22.860 out of someone's mouth.
00:20:24.220 Um, and at least to have that experience of hearing it and responding to it in a less
00:20:30.520 high stakes environment.
00:20:33.040 Um, so yes, I, I do recommend that.
00:20:35.900 That's great.
00:20:36.740 So, I mean, Francis, how do you go about, so you said to go in with a, a title and a number.
00:20:40.860 So it's like a position you want and the number you want.
00:20:43.080 How do you go about figuring that out?
00:20:46.080 Like what you should be asking for?
00:20:48.000 Like what's reasonable?
00:20:48.800 Is it, I mean, it's kind of hazy, you know, cause it's going to, I guess it's going to
00:20:53.300 differ from company to company, but is there any sort of general tips that you can?
00:20:57.100 It is.
00:20:57.700 I think that it's one of these moments where hopefully, you know, you have a sense of how
00:21:01.620 the company is doing this year.
00:21:03.680 You have a sense of what people who are doing a similar job are being paid.
00:21:09.520 Um, you know, you can go on to other, to websites and see, you know, if jobs like the one you
00:21:18.360 are talking about, see what salaries are being offered.
00:21:21.500 Um, you can check the ladders, you can check monster.com and just generally, you know, you
00:21:27.040 don't want to have a come in with a number that's crazy.
00:21:29.960 Um, but you also don't want to low ball yourself.
00:21:32.260 So I think that you, but you, you know, one of the things that I, it's nice to give a range
00:21:38.220 if they say, what are you looking for in terms of a raise while looking in terms, you know,
00:21:42.080 something X to Y, you know, many companies do have fixed raises, unfortunately.
00:21:47.200 So that might not be an area for negotiation.
00:21:51.180 And if that's the case, then have a few other things in mind that you might want, whether
00:21:55.160 that's telecommuting or more vacation days or whatever it might be, but have a few
00:22:02.100 options so that you don't just feel like, you know, the world is at an end if they can't
00:22:08.500 give you, you know, the financial that you are looking for.
00:22:12.520 So, uh, you've done all the groundwork, you've been working on things, you have your
00:22:16.300 documentation, you enter the follow-up meeting.
00:22:18.660 What did, what's that follow-up meeting look like six months later?
00:22:22.340 I mean, is it just like, Hey, here's the thing I've done.
00:22:25.560 Can I get my promotion?
00:22:26.760 What does that look like?
00:22:28.000 Um, again, I would have, you know, not pounced on your boss around it.
00:22:33.120 So write them a note, say, I'm looking forward to our follow-up meeting.
00:22:36.740 I'm hoping, you know, we can talk through how I've, you know, met my goals and make some
00:22:43.640 decisions about the future.
00:22:45.780 So let them know again that you're, that this is not just a rehash of what occurred last
00:22:51.960 time.
00:22:52.380 This is a decision-making meeting.
00:22:54.500 Okay.
00:22:55.460 And, um, let's say you go to the meeting, you make your presentation and the boss says,
00:23:01.380 you know, I'd love to give you promotion.
00:23:02.660 I'd love to give you a raise, but you know, we've had this unexpected thing come up and
00:23:06.460 I can't offer it to you.
00:23:08.920 Um, at this time, how do you, how should you handle something like that?
00:23:13.780 I think that you want to, and the first thing you want to do as hard as it is, is to sympathize
00:23:19.360 with your boss say, you know, I'm sorry that that occurred.
00:23:23.440 I'm so sorry that this were in this company is in this situation.
00:23:27.620 Again, they want to know that you're thinking like someone who is sitting in their seat.
00:23:33.720 So show demonstrate that you recognize everything is not all about you.
00:23:38.180 Um, and then, and then begin to put some, some timeframe into this, you know, given these
00:23:44.020 circumstances, what, what, what do, what can you tell me or what do we know?
00:23:49.060 Can you, is this something that's going to impact my ability to be promoted, you know,
00:23:54.340 for six months or for a year?
00:23:56.360 Um, so just begin to, and then you need to decide if this is something you can live with.
00:24:03.020 So, but it's, as hard as it is to wallow a little bit with your boss at the beginning,
00:24:08.360 that would be my, my, that will go again, a longer way toward demonstrating that you are
00:24:14.680 ready and willing to be promoted.
00:24:16.760 You mentioned networking a little bit earlier.
00:24:20.060 And you always feel kind of like, I think people always never know how to handle this.
00:24:24.020 Like, should you be like putting your, the feelers out for other jobs while you're still
00:24:28.020 asking for promotion at the same job?
00:24:29.700 Cause at the same time that can show disloyalty to the company.
00:24:32.640 And, you know, sometimes, uh, it's a small world in certain industries and work can get
00:24:37.360 around that you're, you know, kind of putting the feelers out for other jobs.
00:24:40.800 So how do you network?
00:24:42.660 I mean, should you be networking even while you're asking for promotion or is that something
00:24:45.800 you should just kind of stay away from?
00:24:48.460 If you've, if you've had a productive, you know, review with your boss and you have a timeframe
00:24:53.700 for a conversation about a promotion, then I would say, no, then you should not be out
00:25:00.040 and networking.
00:25:00.800 I think you should be going to events in your industry because it's always good to see and
00:25:07.020 be seen.
00:25:08.160 Um, but I wouldn't be actively, you know, following up with people.
00:25:12.700 If you've gone into your meeting with your boss and he or she has said, as we just talked
00:25:17.700 about, you know, you, something came up and I can't give you what you want.
00:25:21.760 And, or I know you think you're meeting your goals, but I don't see you meeting them.
00:25:27.100 Then, you know what, then it's time to really actively begin to network.
00:25:31.940 And, you know, my first rule in, in this regard is just to tell everybody, you know,
00:25:38.600 even the most unlikely people, this is what I want to do.
00:25:42.280 This is what I'm looking for.
00:25:44.720 Um, so, so yes, but you, you know, you want to, you want to let your boss know too that,
00:25:50.600 okay, I recognize you can't give me what I want or need right now.
00:25:54.720 And I'm going to begin to think about finding that somewhere else.
00:25:59.860 Okay.
00:26:00.580 So besides just casting a wide net, telling everybody and everyone, any of the other things
00:26:04.580 you can do to network to, uh, find what you're looking for?
00:26:07.920 Um, I think that you want to, what I've always liked to do is to call up people who maybe don't
00:26:16.200 have a job opening, um, but who are just, for whatever reason, you admire them and you like
00:26:23.260 the work that they're doing.
00:26:25.180 And you can say to them, what I'd love to do is come in and talk to you for 15 minutes at the
00:26:31.400 beginning or the end of your day about where I am in my career right now and what I can do
00:26:38.400 to, you know, either to improve.
00:26:42.960 Um, because what that does is it lets somebody like that know, Hey, you are looking and they're
00:26:50.060 going to go out to lunch with someone else and find and say, Oh, you know, I met the most articulate,
00:26:55.840 lovely person the other day who's, you know, looking for something.
00:27:00.100 So I think it's a matter of really just demonstrating you're available and you want this quite a lot.
00:27:10.400 The other thing I think is going to networking events is always deadly, deadly, deadly.
00:27:15.400 Um, so I tend to take a buddy.
00:27:17.480 It's kind of like, you know, people say you'll lose, you know, you'll stick to your fitness
00:27:21.000 goals. If you have a walking buddy or a gym buddy, you kind of need to have a networking buddy.
00:27:26.920 Um, because otherwise you won't go, you'll go home and order Chinese food and lie down.
00:27:31.580 Um, so, so I think it's really, really good to have somebody who, you know, is also thinking
00:27:37.260 about trying to get promoted and try to go to events together.
00:27:40.560 Fantastic. Well, Francis, any, uh, parting words of wisdom about asking for promotion, uh, before we,
00:27:46.880 we end, cause I think we covered it all. We hit it from the very beginning to the very end.
00:27:51.000 I guess, I mean, the main thing that I think people should be aware of is that even though
00:27:56.300 it feels extremely personal, very often it isn't very often is about numbers and facts. And so
00:28:03.840 just being mentally and emotionally prepared for that is an important piece.
00:28:10.300 Well, great. Well, Francis, where can people go to ask you more questions about personal,
00:28:14.780 I guess, image and business etiquette and things like that?
00:28:17.820 They can come to my website. It is my name, which is FrancisColeJones.com. And when you get there,
00:28:24.320 there is a, an ask a question button, uh, and all the questions roll directly to my phone.
00:28:30.660 And I do answer every single question that I get. It might take me a few days, but, um,
00:28:36.480 and I love to do it. So really any question, big or small, send it along. Cause it's really,
00:28:41.600 uh, it's a joy for me. Fantastic. Well, Francis Cole Jones, thank you so much for your time.
00:28:45.620 It's been a pleasure. Thank you so much. My guest there was Francis Cole Jones. She's the author of
00:28:50.000 the book, how to wow. And you can find out more information about Francis work at FrancisColeJones.com.
00:28:55.420 And she has an ask a question button. Use that. If you have any questions you want to ask her about
00:28:59.080 business etiquette, uh, getting promotion, your image, um, things like that, she'll ask her and she will
00:29:04.980 definitely answer you. And if you want to find out more information about what we talked about the day,
00:29:09.120 make sure to check out the show notes at aom.is slash promotion.
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