#503： The Case for the 24⧸6 Lifestyle
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Summary
Aaron Edelheid shares the story behind his new book, The Hard Break: The Case for the 24-6 Lifestyle, Not The 24-7. In this episode, he talks about a pivotal moment in his life that changed the course of his life.
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So you just put out a book called The Hard Break, The Case for the 24-6 Lifestyle, not the 24-7.
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Before we get to the impetus behind, well, actually, this is the impetus behind the book.
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You start off the book talking about a moment in your life.
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You've been running investment properties, a company that manages investment properties.
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But there's this moment you found yourself, you were sobbing in the shower, and you just thought your whole world was falling apart.
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So it was actually kind of a pivotal moment in my life.
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So normally, people aren't too keen to talk about when they have kind of an emotional breakdown.
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But, you know, this is actually before I started owning rental properties and managing them.
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But I had started managing money for people and investing it in the stock market at an early age of 23.
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And for four years, even through the dot-com crisis, I was a golden god.
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And then suddenly, a bunch of things started happening.
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Really just kind of life things where I had a relationship, personal relationship, and we broke up.
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And then I got sick, and doctors didn't know what was wrong with me.
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And eventually, it was kind of misdiagnosed appendicitis.
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And out of this, and then suddenly, not surprisingly, my business returns started falling.
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And I was still very young at this point, 27, 28.
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I didn't realize it's actually normal to underperform for some periods of time.
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Warren Buffett has had periods where he hasn't done so well.
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But the combination of all those events really put me in a tailspin.
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And I found myself crying in the shower and kind of not knowing what to do.
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And my first thought really was, well, I got to double down on work, right?
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I've got to, I'm not doing, I'm not, my returns, my results are not what I expect.
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And what I found is that wasn't helping anything.
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And it really wasn't, it took me a little bit, but it wasn't until I really had a desperation
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that I said to myself, well, maybe the problem isn't that I'm working, I'm not working enough.
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But maybe the problem is that I'm working too much and I'm too invested in it.
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And so really out of desperation, I decided in 2005, what I'm going to do is I'm going
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to turn off, and at this point it was a BlackBerry, I'm going to turn off my BlackBerry on Friday
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And I'm going to try to make it till noon on Saturday.
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This is how addicted, I'm still addicted to my phone, but this is how addicted I was at
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Like, how can I possibly have my phone off for four or five hours?
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And then after a couple of weeks, I said, well, maybe I can make it till two or three.
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And then after a couple of months, I said, why can't I do it a whole day?
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And really out of that, out of that kind of experiment, it just transformed my whole life.
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And it enabled me to have all of the success that I had after.
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So what caused me to start crying in the shower?
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Like, there's just absolutely no perspective there.
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So now fast forward to 2008, when you have real problems, right?
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But now instead, I have a stronger foundation, which we can talk about later.
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So I was able to say, wait a minute, there's opportunity here.
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And so in the heart of the financial crisis, started buying foreclosed homes, fixing them
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up and renting them out in 2009, and grew that from 16 rental homes to 2,500.
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And I was able to then, as I'd say in the book, up and down through the book, all the whole
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time, shutting completely off from work and technology from Friday to Saturday night, and
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then selling the company for $263 million to a public real estate investment trust.
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And I can tell you is that if it wasn't for me taking off a day every week, I would not have
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been able to find that opportunity, have the stamina to see it through, to go through the
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So after I sold the company, I started working on this book.
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It took me three and a half years, and I wanted to definitively make the case.
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Because the other thing that I saw from my company is that I saw all these work practices inside
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and outside the company, from having about 100 employees to over 126 investors, a board
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of directors, investment bankers, contractors, et cetera.
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So you basically implemented a Sabbath practice in your life.
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Before we get there, before we talk about what a Sabbath is and what it can look like,
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let's talk about the problem that you are facing, because you're not the only one that
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this is happening to, where you work all the time, you're not getting the results you think
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So you think the solution is, well, I should just double down on work.
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And you highlight all this research that says that Americans, particularly middle-class,
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upper-class Americans, people who are doing knowledge type, like lawyers, doctors, creative
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types, they feel like they're working more than ever.
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So how many hours are Americans working on average these days?
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So it's not so much that we're working more hours per se, but it's that we're constantly
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So if you think about it, when you have your phone on and you're connected to your phone
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and your computer and your email, you're basically on call to every business contact and every
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social contact that you've almost ever met through Facebook, through Twitter, through email,
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And our brains are addicted to the point to check it.
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We may not immediately respond, but everyone has access to us.
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We are not made to be on call every waking moment of the day.
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And the reason, one of the reasons I spent so much time working on the book is there's
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I had to remove dozens because my editor told me, you're not writing a scientific paper.
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The evidence is overwhelming that what we're doing to ourselves from a health, a mental health,
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happiness, creativity, productivity, it's not working.
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We intuitively kind of know that something's wrong.
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We're arguably living in the best time ever to be alive in terms of health, in terms of
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lifespan, in terms of violence, in terms of opportunity.
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But if you look in the vast history, we should be dancing in the streets by how good the world
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And I mean, so, okay, there's emotional, psychological consequence.
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You talk about the physical health consequence of us constantly being connected and constantly
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like you work, like you might not work more hours, but like, it's just like, you're always
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constantly checking in, like it's sucking up your bandwidth.
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No, well, would you want an 80% increase in coronary risk?
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All you have to do is work more than 10 hours a day.
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Women who work an average of 60 hours a week are three times as likely to develop heart
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There's a link between long work hours and depression, heart disease, type 2 diabetes.
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There's a German study that showed that after the eighth or ninth hour of work, you have a
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substantially higher risk of injury on the job.
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You're more likely if you work more than 12 hours a day or more than 40 hours a week to
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You know, the WHO, the World Health Organization estimates that health, mental illness, and substance
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abuse cost employers something like $100 billion a year.
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Like this is all translating into, and then if you, the problem seems to get worse.
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So the average stress level is, you know, for millennials on a scale of one to 10, it's
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So like, and then you look at in college, college health clinics are being overrun with mental
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It's growing by double digit percentages every year.
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The number one way that middle school kids die is from suicide.
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Like, so a lot of the stuff is just like, whoa, you know, like there's not only physical,
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but there is, there's this really mental consequence of, of overworking, of being connected all
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And it's that we're not built and set up for this.
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And it's like anything, it's not, this doesn't mean that you just, you know, go back to using
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It's just that anything taken in its, in its extreme is, is not going to be good.
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And then also there's like a lack of perspective.
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And you also highlight, you know, some startup culture that exists where it's either you
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succeed or you're a complete failure if your startup doesn't succeed.
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And all these guys, you know, there's been a couple high case, high profile cases of,
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you know, startup founders whose startup didn't do so well and they ended up committing suicide.
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And this is the, probably the number one reason that I wrote the book is there is this pernicious
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myth that you need to grind and burn yourself out and go to a level that is almost like martyrdom
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And, and, and not only is it not true, but there are tremendous negative consequences to doing
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this family life, mental health, physical, and I profile a series of people, including
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one of the co-founders of Facebook that has, he has severe regret, Dustin Moskowitz, severe
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regret that the way he worked and he said, I could have done a better job.
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And in fact, he took those lessons and when he co-founded his next company, Asana, which
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is, I believe the number one company to work for in America.
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And I think they have a three or $4 billion valuation.
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Ironically, it's a product to productivity software tool.
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There is, you know, strong encouragement on mental wellbeing and on, on setting boundaries
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It is a new company and he started it from scratch and now it's, you know, it's being very successful.
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There are a number of people in this and, and companies throughout the book, as you know,
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from reading it, that profile that, that they either burn themselves out, which they hadn't,
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or what they've done is they're be, they're super successful because they take a Sabbath.
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So there's not only health, both physical and psychological consequences of overworking,
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but like the, you show the research, like actually working more makes you less productive.
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Like it does the exact opposite of what you think it was, it would do.
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And, and, and, and, and what happens is that there's, you know, this isn't surprising if
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Look, if, if I was, if I needed to work on a project and I'm on a deadline, can I, for
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a week or two, grind it out and really put in the Superman type hours and get it done?
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But if research has shown that you keep that up for more than a month or two and your productivity
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starts to decline, and then eventually it starts declining further than if you just worked
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And one of the, one of the more, more interesting things that I profile in the book was the Stanford
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researcher who found extensive details in world war one and why this is so interesting is so
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world war one breaks out and Britain needs to compete with the German war machine and produce
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And so they suspend, they had started implementing all these positive labor rules to protect the
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workforce after the industrial revolution, but war breaks out and they said, Hey, sorry,
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They took away all the labor rules and they started producing munitions, but it's not enough.
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So they form a commission and they say, commission, we want you to look into the data and we want
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you to, you know, do a survey and let us know how do we produce more munitions?
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And so they did a detail, they just ground, they grabbed every, every piece of data they
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could, and they came back with a pretty shocking recommendation.
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And that was that workers needed to work less and not more because, and they found that the
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best workers were those that didn't, not the ones who worked seven days a week, but those
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that worked six days a week and had a Sunday Sabbath were the most productive.
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And what they found is, is that the longer that people worked the seven days, the more
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likely they were to get injured, the more likely they were to make a mistake, the more likely
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And so, you know, this, this was, you know, this has, this type of study has been repeated
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And now what I argue is the Sabbath, an institution that has been around for thousands of years
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is arguably more important today than it's ever been.
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Because if you think about it, our brain is a muscle just like anything else.
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And we're constantly plugged in and we're constantly connected and we're constantly using it.
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And what's happening is we're not giving our brain a break and we're having a lot of negative
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mental health aspects that we've already talked about.
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We're doing it because we want to achieve more.
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We want to, you know, we, we want to provide for our families, right?
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Well, an interesting thing, and this, this is, this is what's so fascinating after doing
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a deep dive in this is that you have a tradition that's thousands of years old.
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The latest in neuroscience shows that when you're relaxing, when you're not actively engaging
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your brain, there's a part of your brain that goes into overdrive and that's called the default
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The default mode network takes in the information and the experiences that, that you have processes
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You ever have the proverbial idea in the shower or you're ever going for a walk and all of
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And so if you're not giving yourself a break, you're not giving your brain a break.
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You're actually hurting your chances to succeed in today's world.
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We're going to take a quick break for your words from our sponsors.
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So obviously we're overworking, not good for you.
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As you said, it's been around for thousands of years.
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You, you were, you are Jewish, but at the time you weren't practicing.
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You weren't very observant, but then you had that moment in the shower and then you doubled
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So you started implementing, cause you started on Friday night.
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That's typically when, when Jewish people start their Sabbath, not using your phone.
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So for our listeners who aren't familiar, can you walk us through like what Jewish, the
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Jewish Sabbath is like, what does that look like?
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And so mine is, you know, the Jewish Sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.
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What I use my Sabbath to do is Friday night, I turn off my phone.
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What I try to do is not talk about work or do any work on that Saturday.
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But because I have three small children, it's more likely to be frozen or some other like
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Pixar type movie or bubble guppies or something.
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But I won't watch anything on business or politics.
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And what I try to do is just really connect with my family and friends during that Sabbath.
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There's other Jews who, it's a much more religious day.
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They, you know, some of the more religious Jews will turn off all like electricity or they'll
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For me, it's more of a, you know, I'm taking the more personal side for me to just connect
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And besides Judaism and Christianity, are there other religions that have a practice
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Well, I know that just inside, you know, Christianity, you know, like Mormons also do it.
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And I believe, I didn't do so much research in this, but there is a Buddhist day, you know,
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kind of like a inner calm kind of rest day that happens a couple times a month.
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And the reason I called the book The Hard Break is what I do is I, is it's taking the concept
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of the Sabbath and showing a bunch of different ways that people do it.
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And so it's not, I don't believe it's necessarily a Jewish or Christian thing.
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The idea is born out of this, but I profiled, like there's some people in the book that what
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they do is, you know, there's a lot of peer pressure at work to, you know, stay at work
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And some people say, hey, at 5 p.m., I'm done and I'm not reachable.
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They may, you know, play sports with them, help them with their homework, have a meal together,
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put them in their room, put them to bed, et cetera.
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And so their hard break every week is that three, you know, three and a half hours.
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In fact, research has shown that cortisol, which is a marker of stress in your body, that
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it takes about 24 hours if you have elevated levels of cortisol for it to return to normal.
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Like, it's really interesting to find all this research that just kind of ties back
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into, you know, the idea of taking a whole day.
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Like Brad Feld, for example, one of the most prominent venture capitalists, one of the most
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successful, his is strictly a secular digital Sabbath.
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So there's no religious connotation to his day of rest.
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So yeah, let's talk about some of these people you highlight because a lot of people are afraid
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of taking that break from work, whether it's just turning off the phone or not being reachable
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because they think it will put them behind the competition.
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But yeah, you highlight several successful business people who have made taking complete
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So you mentioned that gentleman just now, you also talk about Clay Christensen, the guy
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who wrote The Innovator's Dilemma, practicing Mormon.
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And for his entire career, even when he was working at a consulting company, he didn't work
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So this is what's really interesting is that it's very important.
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You know, it's not like a vegetable you have to take.
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And not only do I get a vacation day, but this vacation day has been the key to my success.
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So what I wanted to do is not only share all the research, the overwhelming amount of research
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that shows how it doesn't work, how we're working doesn't work, and how bad it is for
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you, but I want to not profile people that are not only doing it, but say that it is
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Like Brad Feld, prominent venture capitalist, said he's doing the best work he's ever done
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You mentioned about Clayton Christensen and all of the success that he has done, has seen.
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How many times do you drive by a Chick-fil-A on Sunday and go, oh, I wish they were open.
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The average Chick-fil-A does four times the revenue of the average KFC, even though KFC
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They're about to be the third largest fast food company in the country, and they do $9
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And if you talk to the executives at Chick-fil-A, they say the key to their success is the Sabbath.
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And I profile in the book why and how all of their practices in their company kind of flow
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down from this idea that everyone gets a day off.
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When he first started his career, he was at Boston Consulting Group, who kind of frowned
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You think about consultants, they're working all the time.
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And so it's interesting to profile Clayton's story where in the 60s or 70s, he was struggling
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at Boston Consulting Group, and he stuck to his Sabbath practice, to the Boston Consulting
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Because the Boston Consulting Group reached the level where the senior partners were like,
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How do we have them see that this is a place to stay?
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And so a Harvard professor came in and said, hey, I'd like to start an experiment.
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We'd like to try and see what happens if some of your consultants take a day off.
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And so the senior partners were like, yes, you'll find a team, and we'll monitor them and see
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And so the Harvard professor tries to go in and can't find anyone who wants a day off,
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If you and I were to take a time machine of any time 20, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, 100
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years ago, and you were to come in and say to the person, hey, I want you to take a paid
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Every person in the past would be, yes, that sounds amazing.
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But only today, when it's like, no, no, I can't do that, it's going to hurt my career.
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Like a less virtuous person if you take time off.
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So eventually, senior partners have to intervene.
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Well, this team starts saying, my God, I feel so refreshed.
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And then they start talking amongst each other and say, hey, why are we having that three-hour
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And they start saying, oh, now I understand why this person does the job this way.
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All of a sudden, other people in their office said, wait a minute.
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And so the senior partners say, whoa, there's something really here.
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And so they did something, you know, very enlightened, which is to say, they went in and they said, you know what?
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We're going to roll this out to the entire company.
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But of course, and you got to love this, only consultants, they come up with a name about this.
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They say, we're going to call this predictable time off.
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And Boston Consulting Group is like the number three or number four best company to work for.
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Retention in the company has surged, employee satisfaction, and they're absolutely benefiting from this, from the qualitative output to inside the company, the quality of a work and life and the happiness of their employees.
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Well, speaking of that culture that's happened, you mentioned if you went back in a time machine 20 years ago and someone came to you and said, do you want time off?
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But now it's like, no, like, I'm going to work.
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But I mean, like, I was talking to my wife about this.
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Like, 20 years ago, Office Space came out, that movie.
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It's like, well, if I had a million dollars, I would do nothing.
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Now, it's like, I don't think that would resonate with a lot of young people.
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They're like, well, of course, you should always work.
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Well, I think that, you know, what you have to look at is to why, what's driving this.
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Or it's this, you look at other people that are doing it.
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All we should care about are what are the results that we want.
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How do we want not only the results from our business life, but our personal life as well?
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And so it's like, I have three young kids, and my wife has taken the phone from my hand and thrown it in the front bushes of our house.
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And still, with how I use my phone, she complains that she only sees the top of my head.
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It has helped save my marriage and my relationship with my wife that she knows at least one day a week she gets all of me.
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There was a wonderful article in The Atlantic talking about how parents are now spending more time than they've ever spent with their children.
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They're not really there, and our kids know it.
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When I sit on the floor with my daughter, my five-year-old daughter, and we're playing, and then she does something cute, and I want to take a picture, or I want to turn on her favorite song.
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So I go to my phone, right, because everything's on my phone.
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And I go to do it, and then I look, oh, I got an email.
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And it's five, ten seconds, and my daughter will turn to me and say, Papa, will you play with me?
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And my first reaction is like, I am playing with you.
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But she knows she doesn't have my full attention.
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And on that Sabbath day, there is no distraction.
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And I can't tell you is that it just – everything in life comes from relationships, all of our satisfaction.
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Look, now, obviously, past a certain dollar amount, you want to make sure that you have a roof over your head, and you have a job, and you're paying the bills and stuff.
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But once you get past that, all of the satisfaction in life comes from relationships.
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So don't you want to have one day where you just get to focus on those relationships the most important?
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Don't you want to just have a lunch or a dinner with friends or family and not be distracted or feel like you have to go run to something else and something else and something else?
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No, yeah, I think a lot of people would like to feel that.
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So let's get to some brass tacks here of how we can start implementing this in our lives.
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So how do you go about setting up a Sabbath for you, for somebody?
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Because I imagine it takes some prep work to get it mixed in place.
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So the number one thing I recommend is baby steps, is don't jump in with both feet.
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We start going to the gym, and you're going to be like, I'm working out every day.
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I started with four hours on a Saturday morning, having my phone and computer off.
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And so what I recommend is people start doing it.
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Let people know where you're going to be, that you're going to be off.
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Anything that you need to get done, you get done in advance.
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And then there's just tips and tricks that you can do.
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A lot of people don't realize this, but let's say you didn't want to have your phone completely
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And if you put up Do Not Disturb, at least on the iPhone, if someone calls you twice
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So if you really need to have that phone on, you can keep it on.
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The other things, just tricks, as I said, I have three small kids.
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But there's been times when my wife and I have to separate on a Sabbath for a variety
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of reasons, and what we'll do, we'll switch phones.
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There's nothing on my wife's phone that there's no work email, there's no Twitter, none of the
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You can also get, if you think of the movie, you can get kind of like an old flip phone to
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And there's a bunch of little things to think about, like how are you going, because what
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The fear of what happens if X happens, or someone needs to reach me, or one, I can tell you very
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And from a business perspective, there's very little, and if you're so critical that you
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need to be on seven days a week, something's wrong either with your job or the business
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that you're running, because that is not sustainable.
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And what happens if you get sick, or get hit by a truck, or your business is going away,
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you're describing there's no redundancy in your business.
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And going back to, is that this is what a lot of very smart entrepreneurs are starting
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to realize, building redundancy into your business is actually really good.
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So giving people days off is ways to find where there are problems in your system, that if someone
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Remember, this is not meant to be kind of this painful medicine you have to take.
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Some of the days I do is, I just read for pleasure.
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Constantly, I'm reading blogs, like The Art of Manliness, or I'm reading books and productivity
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stuff, and trying to, how am I going to make myself better and better?
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I read science fiction and stuff purely for fun.
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If I'm going to do an activity, there's just one activity.
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Because remember, the Sabbath is meant to be different than every other day.
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So the last thing you want to do is turn off your phone and then say, I'm going to pack
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in seven or eight activities, and I'm going to run from one thing to another.
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You're getting this gift of time, which we all know is just flying by so fast.
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Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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So yeah, it sounds like a lot of things you can do.
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And that could be one of the things you talk about is call your parents, right?
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Use that day where you call them or FaceTime, whatever it is you want to do with that.
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She talked about in Jewish tradition, like Sabbath is a day to have sex, which I had no clue.
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So I profile Senator Joseph Lieberman, who was almost vice president.
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Again, it comes from this idea that it's supposed to be enjoyable, that it's actually a commandment.
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You're actually supposed to have sex on the Sabbath.
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So when you talk about, for me at least, connecting with your family, connecting with your spouse, connecting with friends, it's meant to be enjoyable.
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What do you not get to do during the week that you would like to do?
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There are some people who are like, you know what I love to do?
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Or they've asked me like, hey, is it okay if I mow the lawn?
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And it's like, I really enjoy it and I zone out.
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I always wondered why do so many Silicon Valley founders and venture capitalists are surfers.
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And then it hit me after talking to them of why they're constantly rushing out to do it.
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Go do something that is out there that will fulfill your soul.
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So taking daily or weekly breaks is something we can do easily.
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Or I mean, maybe not easily at the beginning, but it can be done.
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But you also talk about within the Jewish tradition, there's this idea of sabbaticals.
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But unfortunately, more and more Americans are taking less and less vacation.
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Americans gave up something like 700 million paid vacation days.
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And then you're reading in the Wall Street Journal articles about work-cations, where you bring your work on vacation.
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Now, we know from the research that this is not good.
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And so what I do is I highlight in the book, one entrepreneur, one successful CEO, who's instituted something called paid, paid vacations.
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You know, and it brings me back to the, you know, one thing we didn't touch on was like sports.
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You know, we can learn a lot from sports because sports is actually moving in the opposite direction that business is moving in because sports is studying the athlete's performance and realizing that breaks, hard breaks, are actually critical to peak athletic performance.
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So that's why you saw where the Chicago Cubs almost lost the World Series because their reliever had almost thrown too many pitches.
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And you find that, you know, rock climbers argue about, you know, not whether you should take a break, but how many days is the right amount?
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You have someone, you know, you have NFL players who are, who are saying, oh, well, you know, JJ Watt for the Houston Texans during the, the season, he says that he tries to sleep nine to 10 hours a day.
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You have LeBron James that once playoffs come, he institutes something called zero dark 30, who turns off all devices, turns off his social media, everything.
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I think the reason you talk about it earlier, the reason why Americans aren't taking paid vacations is they're afraid that if they do, they're like a boss will find out that they don't really do anything.
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Right. Like the world, the company won't grind to a halt without me. But as you said earlier, that's also a problem. If like, if your company does grind to a halt without you, well, that's a problem too.
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Yeah. And, but you know, it's, it's not only that, I think it's, they're trying to signal, Hey, I'm, I'm a real company person. I'm committed to this organization. Look, I'm even responding on my vacation.
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And I don't think that that's how I think it's just signaling. But again, if you want to be more successful in your work and you want to rise in an organization or you want your company to rise, it's all about having the best ideas. It's solving problems. It's being creative.
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If, if you're constantly connected, you're not giving your brain the chance to, to be that person. You know, and the, one of the best examples to cite in the book is probably the most innovative musical to come around in decades. Hamilton.
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How is it created? Well, Lin-Manuel Miranda at a successful Broadway show decides he's going to go on vacation. He's at the airport bookstore and picks up the biography of Hamilton by Ron Chernow and brings it with him on vacation.
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Now who in their right mind would come up with a musical about a treasury secretary of the United States rapping with a multiracial cast. And that, that would be, would take the world by storm.
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Well, you can only come up with something like that. If you giving your brain the chance and you're just, you're just, you're on vacation. So take vacation.
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It's good for you. It's good for business. It's good for your career.
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I love it. So, yeah. So, but how do you talk to your employer about this? Cause maybe you have a boss or you work for a company where they have, you know, policies where they want you to take off. They want you to take vacation and that's there. But what if you work at a place that doesn't have that, where they, the ethos is you work all the time. Even when you're on vacation, you got to be reachable.
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How do you have that conversation with your employer and said, maybe that's not the best thing for the company by having that policy?
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Well, you could, you could give them my book. That's one. But two is you have to ask yourself, do you want to work for that company?
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You know, is this the right company? Is this the right, is this the right culture I want to be around? Is this going to bring out the best in me?
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And is this going to be best for my family and my personal life? I mean, you can try and talk to your boss, say, Hey, look, I'm, I'm committed. I'm working. I, you know, I'm a hard worker, but I just need to, you know, come this time. I'm, I'm going to be off. You, you can, you can say that.
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And if you get a negative reaction, then you have to decide, do you want to be at that company? But, you know, I work on Sunday. Sunday's a work day for me. And just think about it. If I can't get my work done in six days a week, something's wrong.
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No, for sure. Okay. So it's a gut check. So you can do the conversation. If it doesn't go the way you want, you might have to decide, well, this isn't a great place for me and you go find something else.
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I mean, you know, I think that's your real, that that's, that's your alternatives. And luckily now we're in the type of economy and shortage of workers, shortage of skilled workers, where this is the time that, you know, if ever there was a time for you to, you know, think about, you know, where you want to be and how you want to live your life, you know, now's, now's the time to do it.
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And I think employers are starting to realize this, but I think beyond just, just the employment situation, I think there are more and more employers are realizing that something has to change.
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They're realizing that burnout is a problem, that sickness, that mistakes at work, that it's just not helpful because more and more of our jobs is about processing information, problem solving and being creative.
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Well, Aaron, this has been a great conversation. Where can people go to learn more about the book and your work?
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So they can go to thehardbreak.com is my website. They can also find my book on Amazon, The Hard Break, The Case for a 24-6 Lifestyle.
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They can also find me on Twitter at Aaron Value, A-A-R-O-N and then Value.
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Fantastic. Well, Aaron Edelheid, thanks so much for time. It's been a pleasure.
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My guest today was Aaron Edelheid. He's the author of the book, The Hard Break, The Case for a 24-6 Lifestyle.
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It's available on Amazon.com. Also check out our show notes at aom.is slash hard break.
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