#508： Break Out of Your Cage and Stop Being a Human Zoo Animal
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Summary
The human body is capable of doing a wide variety of movements in a variety of environments, but my guest today argues that most modern people only do a few movements each day, commonly find themselves stuck in sterile surroundings, and these confinements are sapping our physical and psychological health. His name is Erwan Liqueur, he s the founder of the MoveNet Physical Fitness System and the author of the book The Practice of Natural Movement: Reclaim Power, Health, and Freedom with Natural Movement. Today on the show, Erwan explains what Natural Movement is and our amazing human potential for walking, running, balancing, jumping, crawling, climbing, swimming, lifting, throwing, carrying, catching and self defense. We then discuss the cultural forces that have disconnected us and our children from our ability to perform these natural movements and have turned us into zoo humans.
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i'm brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast the
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human body is capable of doing a wide variety of movements in a variety of environments but
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my guest today argues that most modern people only do a few movements each day commonly find
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themselves stuck in sterile surroundings and these confinements are sapping our physical
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and psychological health his name is erwan liqueur he's the founder of the move net physical fitness
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system and the author of the book the practice of natural movement reclaim power health and freedom
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today on the show erwan explains what natural movement is and our amazing human potential for
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walking running balancing jumping crawling climbing swimming lifting throwing carrying catching and
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self-defense we then discuss the cultural forces that have disconnected us and our children from
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our ability to perform these natural movements and have turned us into zoo humans erwan and i then
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dig into the benefits of engaging with our natural movements from improved mental and physical health
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to a greater sense of freedom and we end our conversation with erwan's actual advice on how
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you can easily incorporate more natural movement into your daily life after the show's over check out
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our show notes at aom.is natural movement erwan joins me now via clearcast.io
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erwan liqueur welcome back to the show thanks brett i'm so happy so we had you on the show was a few
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years ago to talk about the move net technique and you got a new book out the practice of natural
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movement reclaim power health and freedom with natural movement and this book it's a beautiful book
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but it also distills everything you've been teaching people about natural movement for several years now
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for those who aren't familiar with this idea what is natural movement and then from there let's talk
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about how your idea of move net the move net technique fits into natural movement natural movement is the
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the term of coin to explain what it is for humans to move naturally and uh we could use a metaphor we
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could imagine how wild animals move in nature let's say a mountain lion for instance what's the natural
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natural movement for a mountain lion and obviously there would be a set of movement skills that that
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feline uses in order to hunt and hide and avoid threats and well do everything the mountain lion needs to
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survive and even to thrive in a wild environment so what would that be for humans and we have a set of skills
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skills that are instinctual and universal that all humans can do and those skills are
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all kind of kinds of ground movements like crawling rolling getting up getting down hiking and walking
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stepping in every way possible and and running diverse locomotion skills you have also climbing and
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balancing and then you can also manipulate objects lift and carry and throw and catch you can also defend
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yourself you can wrestle you can strike and of course you can also move in in in water so humans are
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incredibly versatile when it comes to their movement abilities natural movement abilities and that set of
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skills that holds that entire scope of universal movement abilities that humans possess is what i
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call natural movement so that's natural movement i think we all know these these this is stuff that
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we do when we're kids and we'll talk a bit a bit about that here in a bit yep and they're instinctual
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they're natural but they also have this thing called move nat and i think sometimes people confuse the
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two and i think you did a good job distinguishing how move nat is different from natural movement
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i like to say that natural movement is the it's the practice it's the the movement behavior as a as a fact
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as a reality as a biological duty even i like to to call it that way and move nat is the method is the
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method i've designed to help us harness that potential it's a little like okay everybody's got an innate
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ability to defend themselves right you'll be able to try to avoid strikes or you know you have a an
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innate ability to wrestle to the ground something like that but that that doesn't mean you're a
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fighter it doesn't mean you're skilled at it but if you go to a an mma academy or some place where
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we teach you skills then you become a skilled fighter and then you turn those innate abilities into
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actual you know mastered skills by learning techniques so the same apply exactly the same
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applies to all our other natural movement abilities we can turn them into skills but to do that you need
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a method and that's what move nat is about so in a lot of people need move nat today to you know this
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this very regimented technique to teach these movements these natural movements because for a lot of
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modern people they've forgotten to do these very basic universal instinctual movements that not only
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they've forgotten it so that means that you know we all that's where we all start natural movement
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when we're kids we start crawling we start standing and walking and you know prior to any instruction
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prior to being taught what's the proper way to exercise we have a crazy effective instinctual program
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within us within ourselves within our dna again universally regardless of ethnicity gender all those
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considerations you look at all kids around the planet and they all start their movement journey the same
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way and it's true that then we forget it because of a number of cultural influences that drive us away from
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those behaviors and that actually never let us fully develop that potential that physical potential and
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movement potential in the first place so we it's not just that we need to reawaken to those movements
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we literally for most people literally need to learn what they were never enabled to acquire and develop in the first place
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because it's a process that was interrupted that was obstructed that's a fact well and you call this the the this
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this these cultural pressures that prevent us from even developing some of these natural movements that are very basic
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you call it the zoo human predicament right yeah well that's a term that was coined by you know a zoologist called
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desmond morris who wrote a book called the human zoo where he examined the behaviors of people living in cities and
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then you realize that in those man-made environments you also have man-made behaviors and that include a
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complete lack of complete lack of movement not complete in the sense that of course there are still day-to-day
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movements that we do but compared to the movements that we would normally do especially in natural
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environments in the past and when i talk about our past we're talking about hundreds and thousands of years of
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life and survival in one environment then compared to that reality of the past
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movement behavior today is extremely shrunk it's extremely minimal but in that sense minimalist
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in terms of movement is not a good idea it's it's hard in us we we have become really inept and that's
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that's one aspect of what i too called you know the the zoo human predicament it it's not good it's just not
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good yeah it creates a movement poverty like you might the only movement you might do is get up from a
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chair walk to another room walk out of the car sit in the car walk out from the car that might be the
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only movement you do but then you you are not doing things like jumping or climbing or maybe jogging or
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hanging from something which are things that your your body is also capable of doing movement poverty
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it's a it's it it's in fact a a modern prejudice that's self-inflicted and also culturally inflicted but
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that very few people notice that they are it it's a reality in their life so like you like you said and
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i wrote about it in my book what people's physical behavior is made of on a day-to-day basis you know
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for most people it's simply to uh sit and stand and sit again and stand again and walk a few short steps
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and and that's it there's no there's no variety where's the jumping where's the crawling where's
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the balancing where's the hanging and climbing the the hiking the stepping up stepping down stepping over
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stepping through on diverse terrains where where's the lifting you know picking up heavy things carrying
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them throwing or catching where's all of that where's all the variety of movements that used to be part of
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our day-to-day reality as humans and in a modern lifestyle those movements are gone and so that
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movement poverty what happens is that physiologically it has adverse effects on your physiology on your
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function on your but also on your cognition on your well-being on your levels of energy and
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ultimately on on your quality of life right and but the nefarious thing about it the thing it sneaks
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like you can be okay with movement poverty for you know good stretches of time right because like you
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don't like people you don't need to jump you don't need like we don't run hunter-gatherers carrying loads
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across logs or whatever but even in this modern world there will come a time when you might have to do
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something like it and because you haven't done that for a long time you injure yourself like you
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talk these middle-aged guys who they go through the life getting up you know standing up walking to
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work whatever and they bend down to pick something up in their yard and they just they throw their
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back out right and it's because they haven't been they haven't been practicing different movements and
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once they try to do something they haven't been doing they injure themselves exactly it happens all the
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time especially because those movements are natural right so everybody expects that at any time they
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can do them spontaneously and then yeah you can easily get injured and that's number one the reason is um
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it's because you never practice those movements actually your body is not ready for them maybe part
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of your brain neurologically you're like oh yeah i got that i got this but when you do it your tissues are
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like uh excuse me sir when's the last time you've you've done that and we're not happy with this
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and and and then you feel pain you feel something is is tweaked uh you're wondering if that's it
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oh i said i'm 35 i'm old now too old but that's not true you know i'm i'm nearing i'm pushing 50
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and i'm super dynamic man i still can't jump and climb and run and do all these movements because
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i've never stopped doing it i'm not obsessed by it i'm not doing it like crazy i'm not training
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every day but i'm definitely in a phase of you know continuous maintenance of my skills of my
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strength and condition to be able to perform those movements at any time including without warm-up
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so physiologically i'm i'm staying ready and i'm not doing that by doing some unrelated
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programs unrelated movement or drills i'm staying able and ready and prepared for such movements and
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such efforts by regularly practicing those exact movements and efforts i want to be ready for
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that means that in my physical practice there is everything is involved climbing is involved
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jumping is involved running is involved lifting and carrying is involved running and diving is involved
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all of it is involved and that's the only way that you you stay ready because we're talking about
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real world performance real world capability you cannot assume that you are ready
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so if tomorrow whatever happens and you're like oh i have to jump down that little obstacle it's
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nothing just like you know 20 years ago and boom and that's it you just effed your knee because
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you never verified that you were still able to do such such things such movements such real movements
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and because for too long you you have been physically idle maybe you've been lacking sleep chronically maybe
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you've been eating foods that are super inflammatory you know a number of lifestyle patterns that you have not
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taken care of physiologically they hurt you but number one reason why you you may hurt yourself trying to do
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those movements is simply because you never do those movements see there's yeah there's a there's a
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physiological consequence of of movement poverty injury things like that but there's also like a
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psychological consequence of movement poverty whenever you just do the same thing over and over
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again there's a lot of people who are lacking vitality they just feel depressed and like monotone
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about their life and you argue that natural movement can actually be a remedy or part of the remedy of
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that malaise well the mental part of practice is very important well let's not forget that in the first place
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your body does not do anything it's by itself right you have a brain to operate your body it the brain is in
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command and what's the brain the brain is your intention it's what you're what you're seeking what you
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want what you want to do with your body what you expect from it what you expect from your training all
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of that matters a lot the great thing about natural movement is that when you when you train
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you don't expect um some kind of indirect outcome to the time and effort that you put into your
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training right it's it it's straightforward it's it's instant verification instant gratification
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not necessarily that everything you do makes you happy and that you're satisfied but it's instant
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gratification in the sense that say you jump over an obstacle you're trying to do it effectively
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you're trying to do it efficiently you're trying to get better at it more and more skilled more and
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more relaxed more and more accurate that's not a physical thing it's all mental it's about being
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mindful so that reconnects you with the here now that's the beauty of it it's not only that
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all the movements you do with move nat are practical means you don't have to scratch your
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head and wonder well what's the functional you know benefit of this or that if you can't see it
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as you do your movement then it's very likely that whatever drill you're doing is actually not
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functional it's it's that simple so when you jump an obstacle when you climb you're going to
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get on top of something you're going to balance across something there's an interaction with the
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real world even if it's in a gym even like there's some of our gyms you know they're they're custom
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made for that kind of practice or that could be in your backyard that could be at the local playground
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that could be in the woods but there's an interaction with the real world that can't be denied and not
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only cannot be denied it's the core of the practice and in most modern programs that connection with the
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real world is completely removed and it makes training less realistic as you train and and that's a
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problem because man to feel to feel good to feel that you're doing something real you need to do
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something real and so there's more to this there's a little more to this brett it's not only that you
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will experience that realness in real time as you practice but it will also give you instant feedback
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as of where you at in term of your competency in term of your capability real real time when you jump
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over an obstacle and doesn't have to be you know something dangerous it can be done in a way that's
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progressively you know that's safe and progressively difficult well nonetheless you may have to deal
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with some of your fears and then you have an instant feedback of how you did it where you were you stiff
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where you afraid where what happened in your mind what how did that translate into physical behavior
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maybe of symptoms of you know physical symptoms of stiffness of rigidity of of lack of inaccurate
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timing and things like that there's a number of manifestations physical manifestation because of
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your mind is not streamlined as you as you do the movement so all this is the mental aspect of practice
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that in many ways is removed from other programs that's really there in move that and and what it is going
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to give you is a sense of reality which is really missing in our virtual era more sense of reality
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the here now because you can't you can't think about anything else but what you're doing at the moment
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you're doing the movement you're doing the movement you are fully in it because you get to adapt in body
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and mind to the very variables the context that you're dealing with and then ultimately it gives you
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self-confidence it gives you self-esteem it gives you an ability to anticipate it gives you there's many
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many benefits to your mind that go beyond the physical side of training and that's very important
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and i also think it's just fun like these these movements are fun crawling on the ground is fun
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you know hanging from a tree limb is fun balancing on things this is stuff you did as a kid and if you
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it's been maybe 20 30 years since you've done anything like that and you do it again it makes you feel
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like a kid again yeah that's those natural movements they are definitely reminiscent of what we all
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universally experienced as kids when we're kids we were again there was no idea no notion of what's
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proper exercise and how to isolate muscles and count repetitions and go through you know structure
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programs and i'm not saying that there are no benefits to such approach actually it's actually
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also part of the move net method it can be absolutely structured but we don't remove those movements that
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are just natural to us and that's why they are instinctual when we're kids we crawl we we jump we
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balance we hang we do all these movements and it was indeed a lot of fun because it was freedom it
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was freedom it was also naturalness means that's the program capital t-h-e the program the original
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and everything else is an invention it's man-made it's based on whatever science study anatomy you know and
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whatever analytical understanding of the human body and how it should move and how it should
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best exercise but that's not what the original program by design is but and by design we're also
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talking about you know the design of the of the human body but also uh the the experience of a long
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long line of people of human beings before us living that natural life in the wild i'm not
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romanticizing this i'm not saying hey let's all go back to that all i'm saying is that there's a reason
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why we instinctually move naturally in all all those diverse ways of crawling and kneeling squatting
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hanging jumping and landing and so forth there's a reason why we do this it's because that is what is
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necessary to our very survival at least in our past circumstances so now everything seems to have
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become optional but from an evolutionary psychology perspective the drive to do it is still there from a
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biological perspective and necessity to do it it's still there always have always will there's no way
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you can erase so much experience so much memory just because we modern humans have decided to change our
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ways of life to make them more convenient it's great that we have many conveniences but we can't lose what
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we have acquired and if we dismiss that then we suffer there are numerous consequences for dismissing those
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the move natural movement behaviors so of course when we reintroduce those movement behaviors again in our lives
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it's a lot of fun it's liberating it's exhilarating it's like wow why did i ever stop and you you may wonder
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why did we ever stop because truly what have we created that that beats that that's better well so
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let's talk about you've you've been talking about there's different cultural forces that have you
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know stifled natural movement i think one obvious one for people just the way we work it's very sedentary
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you go to a desk and you sit and you're doing you know very abstract work on your computer but besides
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that what are the other cultural forces that have you know stopped people from you know fully
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developing natural movements that they they have wow there's so many it's it started with the idea
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that we're not we're not animals and indeed we're i mean we're an amazing species where we are unique
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but at the same time with culturally and that's for a long time uh you know forced ourselves to
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separate ourselves from nature and even from the nature in us you know like not going barefoot
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you know always clothing ourselves elevating ourselves with chairs and uh you know not sitting
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on the ground not being in touch with nature physically that you know like hey don't don't crawl
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it's dirty nature is dirty dirt is dirty the word dirty comes from dirt so dirty you know when it's a
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dirty it's like a rejection of dirt it's a rejection of earth it's a rejection of the very uh of creation
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of you know whatever you call that of a universe of the earth of the very material that we originate
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from physically speaking at least we to say that we come from nature that we come from earth that
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we're made of it we're made of dirt that's not a romantic idea it's just a fact it's a scientific fact
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and when we try to separate ourselves from from that environment from those elements from those forces from those
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forces from those energies we we pay a price because we don't feel good because we need those we need
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nature we need the the fresh water streams we need the the wind in our hair we need to feel the ground
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under our feet we need to look at real light breathe real real air we need that to thrive there's no way around
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this so that that's number one and then ultimately economically we've created technologies we've created
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jobs that do not necessitate us to to be physically active to produce and um so that's what we do that's
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what most people do every day well and we all need a job but at the same time the unfortunate part of this
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is that like you said those jobs they they are abstract they force us to sit all day and to look
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at screens now what nobody's working all day i mean we have some free time the problem is even that
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free time people still keep sitting and looking at screens and even when people go exercise which is
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very commendable well let's say they do they do that three times a week so that's three hours all right
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three hours a week they're going to go exercise they're going to go exercise in gyms that are
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artificial environments they might sit and you know between sets and reps and whatever they might sit
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and chat and maybe look at their phones so they're going to be physically active only half of that time
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so that's one hour and a half that's 90 minutes and maybe at least half of that type of exercise is
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going to be spent sitting because you sit on machines to exercise trying to isolate your muscles
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so that's 45 minutes that are maybe done exercising in a non-sitting position
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maybe you're running on an elliptical or something and maybe you're still watching at some tv screen something
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so even the way most people exercise is still artificial but in any case even if you truly are
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physically active in terms of of training for 45 minutes total grand total in a week even an hour and
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a half that's not even that's what two percent of your wake time in a week two percent what is the rest
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made of more sitting more standing more maybe walking a few short steps that that that doesn't
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that doesn't impact your physiology much that doesn't do that much good for you
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so what you need is a completely completely different strategy because to really thrive physiologically and
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we talk about physiologically the way movement behavior is going to
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beneficially impact your physiology is also going to beneficially impact you neurologically
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if you want to do that if you want to achieve that you need a completely different strategy
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and you also need a strategy because like we've said there are cultural influences that work against you
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and you need a strategy so that you can basically
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resume a movement behavior that otherwise is gone that not only nothing
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in your day-to-day life a life necessitates that you do that that you jump that you run that you climb
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that you that you that you crawl you don't have to do it you don't have to do it to procure food
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to to to stay alive you don't need it you can skip it you can dismiss it your call
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but when you do that you throw away a lot of who you are as a human person as a human being
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you you dismiss a lot of your potential a lot of your potential energy and capability in your life
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you basically dismiss a lot of life in your life by doing that so that strategy is to
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movement physical behavior a lot of those lost forgotten movements a little by little more variety
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more volume more frequency so we're not talking about super hard grueling
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physical ordeals you know for half hour and one hour three times a week we're talking number one
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with a frequent micro sessions of movement whenever possible
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people before work during work if possible during lunch break after work on weekends add
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movement to your life step by step reintroduce that lost variety of movement that used to be there
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in our ancestors lives well i mean one of the other cultural forces you've talked about and written
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about a length about is just even our idea of physical fitness today and you actually you wrote
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a history an article about the history of physical fitness we have on art of manliness.com put a link
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to it but you talk about you go back a hundred years ago thousands of years ago like physical fitness
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physical training was very designed to help people do what they needed to do so a lot of the physical
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training came out of the military and so you go back to roman times or even greek times you could
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find records of them doing training that was designed to help them be better warriors but as we've
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get into the 19th century the 20th century physical fitness took a shift away from that sort of very
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practical functional idea of fitness to what you call it the the whole whole point is aesthetics right
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just do you look good naked basically yeah hey not that there is anything wrong
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with looking good naked actually it's even it's a it's one of the legit expectations of a physical
00:31:01.320
training there's nothing not only there's nothing wrong about it it's it's awesome if you can develop
00:31:08.360
a good-looking body and feel great about it that's great my point is modern fitness programs have almost in
00:31:17.080
their entirety evolved to be obsessed with that and to only focus on that exclusively so not only
00:31:24.440
it's a priority it's an exclusivity there's nothing else you're truly looking at and uh yeah definitely
00:31:31.640
that's over that's a generalization but still for most people when they think of exercising the number one
00:31:41.320
right away thought is how is this going to make me look i want to look better i want to look good
00:31:51.480
hey that's great but you want the image when you're not interested in the function
00:31:58.680
how's that because for because until now until modern times i mean seriously in the past in the time of my
00:32:08.360
grandparents and and and everybody else before them before them like if you were to walk around trying
00:32:16.440
to show off your amazing body people will laugh at you but if you were to be able to show some real world
00:32:23.720
capability like being able to lift something really heavy to run a long distance to climb like a high
00:32:31.640
tree very high do something like that people would be like whoa the guy is strong the guy's capable
00:32:37.560
guy stuff no that mean that meant something it didn't matter what you look like it mattered
00:32:42.920
what you were able to do it mattered what was your capability that would give you respect that would
00:32:50.040
make you be appreciated by your community by other people not the size of your biceps
00:32:56.680
not the shape of your chest because that alone is not an indication whatsoever of what you're actually capable of
00:33:05.640
doing in the real world i can you know i go to a gym to regular gym i take these guys out of the
00:33:12.520
environment and they can be and i'm not saying that in a cocky way just i just it's just a reality
00:33:20.200
most of these people are they're going to be destroyed just running for 15 minutes
00:33:25.080
especially if you take them on wild terrains and we're not even talking about
00:33:32.200
having to clear some obstacles on the way because they never trained for that so they train they just
00:33:37.960
trying to have big muscles you know a guy who does body boulder is not a guy who does power lifting or
00:33:47.480
olympic lifting or strongman training that's completely different it's at least if you do all the free that i
00:33:57.720
mentioned last you're looking at some real results of
00:34:03.320
actual capability at least one aspect of it it's not the whole complete scope it's at least one aspect of
00:34:10.840
it they don't really care about how you know how big they look they look at how big they can lift or
00:34:17.400
or carry how big they can manipulate because at least there is that mindset of it means something
00:34:24.440
it's it's real in the real world it's useful potentially in the real world if you apply that
00:34:30.120
mindset to every other skill and aspects of strength and conditioning that you may need to be truly
00:34:36.360
capable to operate in the real world then you want to add a number of training
00:34:44.520
to your training number of practices to your practice we're going to take a quick break for
00:34:50.120
your word from our sponsors and now back to the show yeah i mean i think specializations there's
00:34:57.240
nothing wrong with specialization if that's what you're going to do if you're going to be you decide
00:35:01.080
you want to be a power lifter and you're going to compete then you need to specialize but for most
00:35:04.920
people you don't need to deadlift 800 pounds right but you you do need to have some strengths yeah you
00:35:11.080
know i i do power lifting and there was a point in my training when i was doing barbell training
00:35:15.960
where my coach said look you're generally strong you know you can take life on and you can allow you
00:35:21.320
to live and do things you want to do you have to decide now if you want to you know specialize and
00:35:27.800
just do this and you know you're going to rip the injury the risk for injuries going to go up
00:35:31.400
it's going to hurt and whatever and you have to like not focus on other aspects you have to make
00:35:35.240
that decision and i made that decision i wanted to do that i wanted to compete but i think a lot
00:35:39.400
of people they see that and they're like well i want to do that but also run you know fast you know
00:35:44.200
mile i want to be able to do this it's like you can't do that you have to make a decision but if you
00:35:48.920
just want to be overall generally healthy you you have to have this variety of movements in place
00:35:54.680
yes exactly and you know well brett that is your choice and it makes you happy and you're good at
00:36:00.280
it and i know that as long as you feel that you're satisfied and that your body can keep keep up with
00:36:07.720
it then you should absolutely do that specialization can be great it can enable people to achieve their
00:36:15.800
their own greatness and provide a ton of satisfaction with just one support one endeavor once like like
00:36:25.720
we said one special specialization and also uh specialization in sports have contributed amazingly
00:36:36.360
to the understanding of human biomechanics and best training protocols to achieve particular results
00:36:44.840
in a particular aspect of human performance but the same way your coach told you hey um or you said
00:36:55.400
you know not not everybody's going to be capable of lifting 900 pounds absolutely correct not everybody
00:37:01.480
is going to be able to lift 450 pounds and that's that's okay my point is the overwhelming majority of
00:37:12.440
people don't need to be great at any of those particular specializations they don't need to specialize most of us just
00:37:23.480
don't need to specialize what we need if somebody somebody's health overall is not really that great
00:37:32.200
if somebody's physical capability overall is not especially great you don't need to pick
00:37:44.680
one sport you don't need to pick one specialization and to put all your time and effort in that when uh you
00:37:52.280
could really thrive by embracing what we originally do or we were supposed to do as humans which is to
00:38:00.680
to to practice all those diverse movements again the same way we were kids when we were kids we're smart
00:38:07.880
we just followed the program the the the natural design program we did all of that and it made us super
00:38:18.680
super strong super capable super and super happy full of energy every day it's not just because we were young
00:38:27.960
it's because we were doing this because look there's tons of kids today they don't move naturally a lot
00:38:36.680
because they're given screens from a young age and they sit all day looking at screens do you think that
00:38:42.760
those kids are have boundless energy and they they are super happy and all no and yet they're young
00:38:49.560
so it's not about youth it's about behavior the reason why we felt young and we felt energetic was
00:38:58.360
because we were following the program that natural movement program that's built in in all of us and
00:39:06.120
that we just forgot and need to reactivate so you know brett even if you are specialized and because you want
00:39:14.280
to achieve that greatness in that particular field that you love you you don't have to pursue
00:39:20.840
performance say in jumping or crawling or climbing or balancing and all of these movements but it
00:39:27.800
doesn't mean that if you practice some of them a little every day that you will it will not help you even
00:39:34.760
to be even more thriving physically and to even better prevent injuries when it and and why not
00:39:43.000
even support greater performance when it comes to that power lifting specialization no that that's true
00:39:50.360
like i've continued so i've been to a move nat seminar and i continue to do incorporate move nat into my
00:39:56.280
just my daily daily life like i'll you know do a ground routine where i'll be doing some crawls and
00:40:02.680
backwards and forwards a crab crawl tripod transition things like that that just they're fun they feel
00:40:08.520
good but at some movements particularly like they've helped me with my my power lifting i feel like i'm
00:40:12.840
very tight in my chest and in my shoulders so that crab crawl or you know you're on your your your butt
00:40:20.840
and you're kind of you know inverted yeah yeah we call it that really opens up my chest now that feels
00:40:26.760
good another one like before i shoulder press just hanging from a bar you know that's a move a
00:40:33.000
natural movement technique i'll just hang from a bar and that really opens things up and i'll kind of
00:40:37.240
do some swings from side you know side to side so yeah i mean i it's definitely you're able to
00:40:42.920
incorporate this stuff along with the specialization in fact i just had a podcast interview with a guy just
00:40:48.680
wrote a book about the importance of breath even if you are a specialist it's important to have a
00:40:53.240
breadth of knowledge and he talked about this idea of a t-shaped individual and it's usually the most
00:40:58.920
innovative people in science or in you know technology they specialize in something in an
00:41:05.160
area but they continue to nurture or develop other practices outside of that so he talked about a lot of
00:41:12.360
noble prize winners are they they're more likely to be artists singers musicians compared to the general
00:41:19.640
public so those are examples of people who specialize but at the same time are diversifying it sounds like
00:41:24.520
you're saying the same thing you can specialize but you should probably still diversify because that can
00:41:28.040
actually improve your specialization right exactly and in fact you only diversify in the sense that
00:41:35.480
you have specialized in the first place you know it's just like a mma mixed martial art you only have
00:41:41.800
to mix them because they were specialized in the first place originally the the martial art of the uh
00:41:49.000
the samurais was made of all of that they were trying the sword and other weapons and then they will also
00:41:55.000
train you know empty hand kind of skills so they would do elements of judo element of jujitsu elements
00:42:04.440
of karate elements of aikido it was it was all there and so then everything branched out
00:42:13.160
and became specialized and then ultimately you bring that all back into one whole approach
00:42:21.800
and practice and then you have mma so you only need to diversify when you're specialized but nobody's
00:42:30.520
specialized originally nobody's a mono mover that's again that's one of the cultural influences of this
00:42:37.320
modern world hey pick your field pick your specialization you got to choose one you can't
00:42:42.520
have them all why not why not oh because i can't i'm not going to be reaching a level of a competitive
00:42:51.320
level and so what it's not about being at the level of the elite at the level of those who actually
00:42:59.320
because you can only reach an elite when you specialize right so uh you take any of those highly fit
00:43:07.000
athletes in whatever area but they're going to suck at the rest you know or they're not going to be
00:43:14.840
that good at least because originally you have natural movement and all those specialized sports
00:43:21.880
they all come from natural movement and not the other way around so you see when you have a practice like
00:43:27.720
move that they're not saying oh wow they've they've mixed lifting with some parkour stuff and then uh
00:43:35.400
there's some running and uh you know you mix those sports together and then you have what's called
00:43:40.200
move that excuse me but originally there's natural movement where if you want to survive in the wild
00:43:46.600
you'd better be able to climb the tree to jump over the obstacle to run the distance to lift and carry
00:43:52.600
heavy things or people and to do all those things because if you can't do it all you're in trouble
00:43:58.920
you're not going to make it that's the reason why we have that movement potential that's not thanks to
00:44:04.600
specialized sports all specialized sports were enabled by the fact that we have a natural movement
00:44:11.240
memory and potential in us so you look at uh whatever sport soccer okay what are you doing you're running
00:44:19.720
you you look at tennis what is tennis well it's a it's a striking movement it's it's a basically a
00:44:27.800
throwing movement it's the throwing biomechanics that was used for hunting stuff okay well then you put
00:44:34.600
instead of having a spear in your hand now you have a racket and of course there are other modifications
00:44:42.200
but you're basically running and throwing at the same time and what and and you're also somewhat
00:44:47.720
catching with the racket as you throw you can look you can interpret or analyze any modern sports
00:44:55.800
through the scope of what movement patterns are involved that were originally used in the wild for
00:45:04.520
our survival and that will really change your you know the way you look at those sports so you look at
00:45:13.080
any manipulative specialization that it is olympic lifting power lifting you look at all of that and
00:45:19.800
you make the same conclusion that what you're trying to replicate is not just physical it's basically a
00:45:26.360
practical mindset to to achieve a practical outcome that serves the purpose of just staying alive and
00:45:35.160
thriving so another cultural force so there's there's the idea that we have to specialize that's a cultural
00:45:41.080
force there's an idea that you know in the fitness industry that the focus should be on aesthetics
00:45:46.120
only and not being able to move and be useful and be yeah useful in the world but another cultural
00:45:52.920
force that i think prevents people from doing natural movement things like climbing trees or hanging from a
00:45:59.640
branch or whatever is that people think it's weird it's like well you don't do that when you're 25 years
00:46:04.920
old and you could have done that when you're 10 but you're grown up now don't do that you look like
00:46:09.880
a weirdo yeah it reminds me of that song by uh super trump the what is it the logical song yeah yeah yeah
00:46:17.880
yeah yeah yeah right it's um yeah you're taught to be reasonable sensible cynical it's uh yeah that's another
00:46:28.680
cultural influence that's pretty pretty negative is that you're not supposed to do that and you're not
00:46:36.920
supposed to do that because you're not supposed to be that that's too much freedom now that's too much
00:46:43.640
yeah it's too much freedom hey it's i don't know it's like if you have a wild animal or or maybe a
00:46:51.080
tamed animal in a cage and they see their their wild counterpart walking around outside this
00:46:58.680
prigging to you know bother them because the wild counterpart has the freedom they they don't have
00:47:07.720
anymore so you know when uh it's just like when when people are trying to limit you they want to limit you
00:47:15.960
because your ability to do something is a reminder that they've they've lost it for themselves so it
00:47:25.080
buffs them so in order to not be bothered instead of saying hey maybe i could have the same freedom
00:47:32.840
maybe i could unleash myself a little give myself a little of slack and just becoming more free and
00:47:39.960
and greater and have more fun how about i do too no we're gonna be like hey if i can't do it i'm
00:47:47.880
going to prevent you from doing it it's it's a basic negative kind of psychology thing and so
00:47:56.120
a lot of and that's very uh pervasive in our in today's society and it's an unsaid unseen
00:48:04.280
kind of limitation we even have learned to self-impose those limitations oh i can do this why why tell me
00:48:20.040
why well i don't know it's not done i don't know well you don't even question why it's not done why
00:48:25.000
is it that you can't do it because you were made to believe that you can't do something those are
00:48:31.640
cultural limitations we're talking about so yeah an adult is not supposed to be climbing a tree
00:48:38.440
a person is not supposed to be barefoot those are this doesn't hurt anybody right does it
00:48:46.840
actually it makes people stronger makes people happier makes people healthier it makes people
00:48:54.600
more free and that's a beautiful thing so why do you want to limit that what happens with those
00:49:01.080
self-limitations is that say if you want to do that you want to go to a park you want to do those
00:49:06.200
movements and before you know it you have that inner voice that's not even your own
00:49:13.720
that's telling you hey well are people gonna think but really who cares you're actually what bothers you
00:49:20.280
what bothers you in your head is what you assume people are gonna think it's what you think of people
00:49:33.960
may think that limits you and you know what that's not on people it's on you what do you want do you want
00:49:42.600
to be free do you want to have more freedom starting with freedom of movement do you want to achieve that
00:49:51.320
physical capability that's real that's useful in the real world or do you want to stay confined to
00:49:59.880
limited goals even when it comes to fitness to go to the gym and just be like okay i just want to increase the
00:50:05.800
size of my biceps and maybe a little broader shoulders maybe bigger chest and that's it
00:50:11.480
try to not skip leg days i'm sorry that's i'm just gonna say the way it is that's a limited goal
00:50:19.640
you can achieve amazing bodies not necessarily bulky but you know muscular lean and that actually
00:50:27.080
can do real thing in the world by trying to move that the the idea that you you shouldn't do those
00:50:32.520
things like you shouldn't climb trees or crawl around on the ground like that starts when you're
00:50:36.840
a kid in some for some people it's like hey yes especially with boys hey quit rolling around quit
00:50:42.360
roughhousing settle down don't oh don't climb that tree it's dangerous you know we've you read about
00:50:48.120
schools getting rid of recess so they can focus on you know test scores or they found that recess is
00:50:54.200
too dangerous and so they're trying to you know reduce reliability so they change playgrounds so like
00:50:58.520
there's sort of these weird plastic bubble looking things that aren't any fun it's criminal yeah so
00:51:04.280
it begins then and so you even have kids who are you leaving school physically inept it's criminal
00:51:11.560
it's it's it's just gonna kill the kids even more and it's gonna kill their physiologically to begin
00:51:18.120
with because there are windows of physiological development if you miss them it's hard to catch up
00:51:26.040
later or it's not even possible to begin with because your tissues need to grow strong and healthy and
00:51:32.920
develop in a certain way at a certain age and what it takes for that it's not just proper food like
00:51:39.800
really nutritious food it's also proper movement it's also those movements you can't not have them in
00:51:47.800
a day-to-day in the day-to-day life of the of the kid and that's why you see now young kids they're already
00:51:55.000
their bodies look dysfunctional it's not just that they are of a weight and i'm saying that you know
00:52:00.200
with with sadness because it should never happen to me that's that's criminal that's a real prejudice
00:52:08.280
it doesn't matter that the kids they are whatever the you know the social background it's that's not
00:52:14.680
the problem the problem it's it's a cultural thing that happens to all of us so what they do in in
00:52:20.760
schools where they remove recess or they remove any opportunity for the kids to move because they're
00:52:27.960
going to hurt themselves and the schools are afraid that they're going to be sued and this can what kind
00:52:33.080
of society is that it's criminal because we're going to raise entire generations of kids boys and girls
00:52:40.440
because girls also can and deserve and have the ability to be very capable physically you know that's not a
00:52:49.720
gender thing i mean my i have a girl she's nine years old she's crazy capable physically and i've not
00:52:57.800
even retrained her but i have enabled her just like i do with my my two boys to do things that a huge
00:53:09.400
vast majority of parents do not let their kids ever do jump over obstacles climb trees
00:53:15.880
do all you know run barefoot do all these movements so it's almost like we're we're breeding a different
00:53:23.480
species or something now and not only will there's other physiological consequences but there's also
00:53:29.320
mental and psychological consequences which i think is it's ironic what they found what researchers are
00:53:34.440
found on on schools that actually incorporate a lot of movement throughout the day and give the kids more
00:53:39.320
recessed like test scores actually go up compared to kids who are just in this the school and
00:53:45.640
underneath fluorescent lights in their desks sitting still like they're those kids are actually doing worse than the
00:53:50.840
kids that were getting outside and playing and having fun exactly brett now you got me fired up yes because you
00:53:56.360
know the brain that solves all the movement problems and you have movement problems to solve especially when again you
00:54:03.320
interact with complex environments so basically if you jump so to jump a jump implies you launch
00:54:13.800
your body you properly to be airborne then you are airborne then you land okay so that alone is a very
00:54:20.360
sophisticated process now if you add to that the fact that your brain needs to calculate the exact
00:54:26.440
place where is your feet are gonna land to actually land accurately and safely and there's a gap and there's
00:54:37.480
potential danger and the surface where you're gonna land it's not even even it's not even maybe stable
00:54:45.720
there's a lot for the brain to calculate and that calculation is not done by counting you know by doing
00:54:53.000
equations in your mind it's redone by by by the amazing piece of technology of biotechnology
00:55:00.200
which is the brain and it happens in milliseconds
00:55:09.480
wired it's geared it's entirely structured and designed for that number one not for
00:55:17.560
formal education not for academics you have a brain for complex movement within complex environments and
00:55:28.280
complex context a context context made of the environment all the variables of the diverse
00:55:35.000
demands of the environment and the situation you're dealing with so that could be a lot of
00:55:40.120
look when you move through those unpredictable environments that's nature basically you're a fortune
00:55:49.000
teller because you move from point a to b and that once when you're at point b it becomes your point a
00:55:56.600
and there's a next point b and the next point b becomes point a and then there's a next point b and so
00:56:02.360
on and so on and so on you keep moving and your brain is a fortune teller your brain can tell how you're
00:56:11.480
going to get there that's pretty amazing how what foot is going to step where what hand is going to be
00:56:19.720
hanging from where and where you're going to end up and it's got it it's pretty unbelievable like you can't even
00:56:39.160
for for that natural movement is the same brain that's going to
00:56:44.360
do your mental math that's going to do your abstract thinking that's going to memorize
00:56:50.680
whatever you know that's going to learn all these all those other aspects of your commission
00:56:56.840
are enabled because again you have a brain for natural movement in the first place so there's
00:57:02.600
there's that evidence and that's the reason why when you train natural movement when you do move
00:57:07.800
nat you you will score better in school when you move your brain functions better we even have a
00:57:16.520
scientific study actually that proves that look if i was done with move nat movements
00:57:21.960
and uh that proved that it it boosted working memory which is how fast and how well you process
00:57:29.560
information another aspect a principle of natural movement that you talk about in the book is the
00:57:35.880
environment so there we have a poverty of movement there's also in a way because of our modern life we
00:57:41.720
have a poverty of environments like we see sort of the same very smooth frictionless
00:57:47.880
surroundings like whether it's our home or our office and so there's a lack of diversity
00:57:54.760
that prevents us from i guess exploring the full range of movements that we are capable of doing
00:58:02.760
that's another one of those other uh cultural influences that have to do with um
00:58:10.760
not directly with behaviors themselves like so when we said hey don't move you're
00:58:14.920
going to get dirty you're going to break a leg that's influencing your your behavior that's
00:58:21.320
impacting your mindset and ultimately it becomes self-limiting so what you're talking about here is
00:58:27.400
the cultural influence that stems from the environments we've designed for us to live
00:58:35.000
collectively modern environments that are very boxy very flat very linear very stable very predictable
00:58:45.160
and basically very sterile they're convenient they're comfortable but from a movement perspective
00:58:55.080
it removes a ton of opportunities so when kids grow up in those environments
00:59:05.000
what's interesting is that at least for some time before before the second aspect of that cultural
00:59:12.200
indoctrination is taking place where it is in their mind that they're you know consciously or
00:59:18.760
unconsciously they end up telling themselves well no i can't move i can't do that it's going to be loud
00:59:23.880
my parents adults around me are going to be annoyed so i should just behave and be still
00:59:28.600
but before that sinks in in their young psyche it doesn't matter to them that those environments
00:59:37.880
are unnatural it doesn't matter to them that those environments are artificial they will move naturally
00:59:43.000
no matter what they will crawl under the table they will climb up the the table or the chair and jump
00:59:51.880
off if you let them they will uh they will climb up your curtains if you let them they will vault over the
00:59:59.320
couch you know they they will crawl up and down this this stairways what i mean is that the behavior is
01:00:07.880
their natural the natural movement behavior is there regardless of the environment and that's similar to
01:00:13.080
what wild animals do if you bring a a raptor in a city they're not going to turn into a pigeon if you
01:00:21.960
bring a a wolf into a city or in an apartment they're not going to start behaving like a chihuahua
01:00:30.200
just because the environment changes because their mindset has not changed and they're still
01:00:36.760
very willing to be the wild eagle and the wild wolf that they are
01:00:40.760
you know you can't tell them to be something else you cannot tell them to be a tamed species with a
01:00:47.800
tamed behavior they have a freedom they have that that strength they have that innate power it's not
01:00:56.440
been removed from them and it manifests into their physical behavior so what we're talking about is that
01:01:04.280
that that mindset that normally enables us to become strong and capable autonomous human beings is
01:01:15.640
taken away from us in many ways as young children and movement natural movement is a big
01:01:24.280
is a huge part of it because you take away the movement man you take away all the fun you take away all the
01:01:32.280
the the the potential for strength and capability in your life and self-esteem and self-confidence
01:01:40.600
and even again cognition how it boosts your cognition so it's a huge huge amount of you
01:01:49.320
that's being taken away from you it's it's a it's not good well so erwan we've been talking about very high
01:01:57.160
level uh about natural movement and the benefits and what prevents us from doing those sorts of
01:02:02.840
things but let's talk kind of specific let's say someone's listening to this and they want to get
01:02:06.760
started what's the easiest what's something they can start doing today to start incorporating more
01:02:12.040
natural movement into their life there are very simple ways you can start to reintroduce that
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lost variety of movement and frequency of movement that i've been i've been talking about you know when
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you look at your day-to-day movement behavior and you realize that it it is truly made of very very
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simple overly basic movements and positions such as again standing or walking a few short steps to the
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next seat and and sitting a lot and that you you do that from morning to evening basically that's the
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case for most people there are simple strategies to to address that but first off you need to really
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make that realization that there is movement poverty in your life and you want to make your movement
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behavior richer so let's take a simple example for instance how do you brush your teeth
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why don't you brush your teeth in a deep squat because otherwise when do you ever deep squat and
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today in modern populations like a lot of people have lost an ability to deep squat at all or to be
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comfortable holding that position for say longer than 20 seconds so that's a very simple example can you
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can you read a book or look at your smartphone in a kneeling position otherwise when do you ever kneel
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and that could explain why why it is that you're not comfortable in a kneeling position you see before
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looking at some fancy or very specific say programs for mobility that you're gonna be scratching your
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head thinking when do you ever find the time to do that and to commit to that but you lack mobility
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maybe the reason is because you've been lacking natural movement all that variety of natural movements
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and if that is the cause to your lack of mobility it's very likely that's also the antidote
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so all you got to do is to find every opportunity you can to add and to bring back those lost natural
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movements in your day-to-day life it really doesn't have to be complicated do more kneeling do more
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squatting get up and get down to the to the ground to the floor you know whenever you're home whenever you have
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some free time do it that's where it starts and by the way yeah those movements are we call them ground
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movements they are you know they're not spectacular it's not like a powerful jump where you have a
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a challenging landing and if you miss you could rehearse yourself that kind of thing that that's
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also part of the move net training by the way but that's not where you start you don't start climbing
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high on a tree if you're not ready for it you don't start walking across a fallen tree over
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you know a stream of raging waters with the possible possible risk and consequences and danger
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you don't do that that's not where you start look most people they not only they cannot deep squat
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they have they are completely unable to get down to the floor and back up to a standing position
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without using their hands so i invite our our listeners to just try this right now you start from
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standing and you find a way to get to a sit position without placing your knees or your hands
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on the floor and then to get back up number one can you do it most people will realize that they cannot
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do it and those who can do it might find themselves actually you know stiffening holding their breath
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being off balance being slow being uncomfortable which are signs of lack of efficiency means that it's
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not fluid movement it's not it's effective you manage to do it but it's hard to do it's not comfortable
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to do or not maybe not even pleasant to do maybe you felt some some pain some stiffness some some problems
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doing it and so you see if you can't do those simple movements and how much of your function have you
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already lost and if you've lost those fundamental aspects of your function what does that mean to your
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movement freedom what does it mean to uh you know to your quality of life so before you try to do
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you know those some of those uh say iconic movement that move that is known for you're gonna lift and
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and shoulder a heavy log walk on uneven terrains you're gonna climb a tree you're gonna jump from rock to
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rock you're gonna do all those beautiful powerful uh skillful movements that's awesome that's what you have
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in mind to be able to do one day but if you want to self-assess a little just see where you're at doing
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those simple movements and if you find yourself being a little in trouble being challenged with
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movements you thought were were going to be easy and then you realize oh well well it's not so easy
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that's because you haven't been doing those movement in so long so that's where you start
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a deep squat bring one knee to the ground or to the floor then kneel then get up and get down then
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use your hands use no hand crawl on all four do a few steps forward a few steps backward roll on your
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back hang from a wall hang from a tree branch you know if you have a backyard that's wonderful maybe you
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can uh we do a lot of awesome movements just using two by fours it's i i'm the one who introduced that
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simple tool two by four it's just like you know a few bucks just borrow one you can just put it down
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on the on the floor in the backyard and as you watch a show or something you can do balancing movements
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so there are very simple strategies like that to to get started and you can again self-assess and you can
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you can do that on your own and then if you find yourself being not so skillful not so
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comfortable and that's maybe a good time to look into you know my book or come and train with us
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because we're going to teach you how you can do exactly the same movements and even minimal movements
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but with much more technique much more movement quality much more efficiency because that's what we teach
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last thing i want to say is that you see natural movement is is truly universal means that everybody
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can do it to some extent and anybody could at least you try to jump and actually jump but that doesn't
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mean you're going to do it well anybody can you know get down and get back up and there are diverse
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ways to do that it doesn't mean that you're going to do it well it doesn't mean that you're going to be
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successful at all of your movements and what we're going to teach you is efficiency in natural
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movement that's what we teach that's what the move net method is about and what i love about that
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it's so easy it doesn't you know the set aside time like for like move net time you can just do it
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throughout the day in your normal life so some of the things that i've done that i've picked up from
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various move net instructors is whenever like yeah like when you're reading a book or working on your
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laptop for example instead of sitting at a desk put your laptop on the couch and sit on the floor
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right and do different positions so like i like the side bend sit when i'm um and also i'll bend
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you know sit on one side and move to the other it's uncomfortable at first because you know i
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haven't sat like that in a while um and then sometimes i'll move to a deep squat while my laptop's on the
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couch another one yeah that just hanging like having a bar that you just grab and you just hang for a
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little bit and i the two by four we have a two by four in our house it's like a four foot long two by
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four and just walk on it balance kneel in a balanced position stand back up that's excellent
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brett and uh you see it does not take time off of your occupations because you can do it as you
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you do what you you need to do it doesn't cost any money it doesn't cost time it it costs very
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little energy actually it's not like uh well it's some it's not really exerting you and and
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but it's beneficial it's so effective it's so beneficial it's beneficial not only to your
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physiology it's beneficial to your work because some movement will activate areas of the brain
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make it more alert and that transfers to you being more productive more sharp more clear in your in your
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work well rwan where can people go to learn more about move not in your book well that's move
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not dot com m-o-v-n-a-t dot com and the book is available on amazon and other you know like
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barnes and noble so in a title again is the practice of natural movement and um if that book is uh you
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know a lot of people say it's uh it's it's an amazing book it's also it's a textbook by that they don't
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mean that it's complicated all they mean is that they're surprised by the sheer volume of information
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that i shared in that book and there's about less than 20 of the the overall material that's
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that's dedicated to what can be called a manifesto it's the the philosophy behind natural movement
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that's in 12 principles and it's important to really deeply understand because it's really packed with
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insights as of why we want to practice movement to to approach our physical training that way so it's
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a very important foundation but what that means that 80 of the book is really the how to it's a hundred
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percent practical it's really entirely there's no fluff in there is no you know like nerd information
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that you don't even know what to do with uh it's really practical it's every bit of information in
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there is about teaching you how to move better how to do these movements how to make progressions
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what are the details of a particular technique depending on a particular environment so if we talk about
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jumping we're not talking about one or two jumps we're talking about several jumping techniques and
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the same goes for getting up and the same goes for hanging and climbing and and all of those other
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skills so it's uh it's almost like an encyclopedia some call it the bible of natural movement but
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really what it is is it's the move that method because natural movement is not a method move that is a
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method natural movement is the concept that i've delineated and make popular in the last decade
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before that nobody knew what it was or they would have some random explanation or you know people were
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asking me what is a natural movement so i had to define that but the book is really the book about the
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movement method it's how do you relearn all of this well very good well erwan liqueur thanks
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for your time it's been a pleasure it's been a real pleasure brett absolutely and by the
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the way i really love what you do really sharing an amazing wealth of information and inspiration
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for men who want to reclaim you know what it is to feel strong but also healthy like
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good to reclaim the goodness of of being a man thank you so much erwan my guest today was erwan
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liqueur he's the author of the book the practice of natural movement it's available on amazon.com
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