The Art of Manliness - #85 Left of Bang With Patrick Van Horne

00:00:00.000 brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast have you ever

00:00:21.440 had one of those moments where you walk into a situation and something just doesn't feel right

00:00:25.040 and it makes you stop like you walk into a restaurant and something about the situation

00:00:30.300 just doesn't feel right so you turn around and leave or it doesn't have to be like you know

00:00:35.620 something bad or violence can happen to you it could be you're interviewing a potential employee

00:00:40.060 he's got a spectacular resume but something just tells you don't make the job offer well these

00:00:44.880 scenarios all represent what our guests today called left of bang moments they're the moments

00:00:49.780 before something bad happens his name is patrick van horn he's the author of the book left of

00:00:54.940 bang how the marine corps combat hunter program can save your life and left of bang is about the

00:01:00.360 marine combat hunter program which was developed during the wars in afghanistan and iraq in the

00:01:05.440 early 2000s to train marines how to identify potential threats before they happen and stay

00:01:13.100 left of bang right that explosive moment or that violent moment and they do this by becoming

00:01:18.860 situationally aware to their surroundings and to the people they're interacting with and so in this

00:01:24.560 book patrick basically takes the combat hunter program and presents it to a civilian audience

00:01:30.020 and how they can apply it to their own lives to not only just protect themselves but also just to be

00:01:35.260 more effective in the world and being aware of who they're reacting with their surroundings so

00:01:41.040 they can use it in their job or even in their romantic life it's a fascinating book and we're going to

00:01:46.960 talk about what we can learn from the combat hunter program to become more situationally aware in our

00:01:52.540 lives so i think you'll really enjoy this so let's get on to the show

00:01:56.440 all right patrick van horn welcome to the show thank you thank you for having me all right so your

00:02:04.020 book is about the marine combat hunter program um before i read your book i had no idea this existed

00:02:10.280 um so can you tell us what the combat hunter program is why it was developed and how it came about

00:02:17.920 sure and it's only been around for uh at this point seven years or so so it's not uncommon that

00:02:24.240 you haven't heard of it just yet but the reason it's such a new program it was created out of

00:02:29.340 necessity after you know the fall of saddam's regime in iraq you know our enemy took off his

00:02:35.800 uniform he blended back in with the local population and he could hide from us as they planned their

00:02:41.200 attacks uh general mattis who if you're familiar with the movie 300 uh we think of him as marine corps

00:02:46.800 leonidas you know he realized that the technology that was available at the time to protect us from

00:02:52.840 the roadside bombs and the ambushes that we were experiencing overseas they were all pretty defensive

00:02:58.140 and he wanted an offensive capability and he saw that there was a need not only for the better

00:03:03.300 technology but really for better training and it's this kind of insight that caused him to direct the

00:03:09.220 you know the creation of the combat hunter program and it first came about in 2007 where the course was

00:03:15.540 first developed in the pilot program and then it's really taken off since um in terms of why it was

00:03:21.800 developed the goals were pretty straightforward he had two goals for the program knows to wait to make

00:03:26.700 marines one more survivable to make them more safe to make them more uh secure while they're on patrol

00:03:32.780 or out in the streets by teaching them how to you know read behavior and recognize threats we can start

00:03:37.560 to prevent some attacks from occurring but the other goal was to improve how effective we were

00:03:43.160 to teach a marine how to look at a crowded marketplace and identify not only the individual

00:03:48.540 insurgent who was going to carry out the attack but also their their leadership who was planning and

00:03:53.580 directing the attack from the from the get-go gotcha so i mean was there anything like this at all in

00:03:59.080 the military i mean it seems like what it did was make explicit what i guess some soldiers or

00:04:04.720 folks in the military might have said were it was like a sort of an implicit or like an art that

00:04:10.480 you just you either either had it or you didn't is that kind of what happened it's a really good way

00:04:15.500 to explain it and so there was and there wasn't you know really something like it before uh we like

00:04:20.920 to talk about it that we are simply just standing on the shoulders of giants there was training out

00:04:26.280 there uh that was available that improved a marine's ability to observe a certain area and there was

00:04:30.940 training out there that taught marine how to track and how to follow a person's footprints and there was

00:04:35.680 training out there on body language but there wasn't anything that put it all together into one course

00:04:41.660 and as you said make it very explicit or taught in a way that really helped the individual marine

00:04:47.700 on the ground make better more informed decisions and it wouldn't have been possible without a lot of

00:04:54.160 the other research that was already out there but combat hunter went really above and beyond what was

00:04:59.300 currently being taught in the other schools gotcha so it's combat hunter is all about adapting to the new

00:05:05.680 war where bad guys don't wear uniforms anymore and you have to just be on your lookout all the time

00:05:12.320 because anybody in a marketplace or at a mosque they could those are potential bad guys so you have to

00:05:17.480 kind of read very subtle cues on how to prevent uh attacks i guess right absolutely and it doesn't just

00:05:26.120 apply overseas either i mean if you look at even some of the the mass shootings that we've seen even here

00:05:32.120 just in the united states at schools and malls and movie theaters and workplaces and religious

00:05:37.040 and religious centers you know people aren't walking around and they're i'm an assassin i'm a mass murderer

00:05:43.060 t-shirt and making it very obvious what their intentions are it requires you know a greater level of

00:05:49.700 situational awareness really knowing what to look for so that we can identify those attackers before

00:05:54.500 they actually launch their assault gotcha all right so the book is called left of bang which i think is

00:05:58.920 just an awesome title when i first saw the book like this is awesome but i didn't know what it meant

00:06:02.440 um can can you tell us what left of bang means in the combat hunter program sure and that is the fact

00:06:09.580 that that's the title is why i love our publisher our title was very very long and stephen pressfield

00:06:15.600 the author of gates of fire and lions gate just looked at it said left of bang and that just kind of

00:06:21.780 stuck but if you were to think about a timeline bang is directly in the middle of that timeline and it's

00:06:27.620 times zero bang is whatever act you are trying to prevent um when you're right of bang it means

00:06:34.340 that the event has already occurred and you are now reacting to it you are right of bang on the

00:06:39.400 timeline now when you are left of bang you're earlier on the timeline and when it comes to preventing

00:06:44.420 violence it really just means that you have identified one of the pre-event indicators that

00:06:49.920 are out there and that are available and that are present that let you know something is going on

00:06:54.500 and lets you identify early enough so that you can intervene and that's really the goal for a

00:07:00.760 protector getting left of bang because being able to prevent violence from occurring instead of just

00:07:05.260 waiting for it to happen and then reacting to it because you had no advanced warning and as i mentioned

00:07:10.920 before it's not just for people in the military or police officers it can just be for anyone looking

00:07:15.200 to protect themselves or protect them family their family looking for those uh pre-event indicators and

00:07:20.880 those cues that let you know hey something's going on here we should do something about it awesome all

00:07:25.440 right so yeah i've been thinking left of bang all the time now it's like i'm like i mean yeah you

00:07:30.140 gotta hand it to steven that was a great great great move on his part um so the goal is to stay left

00:07:35.300 of bang yes in life all right um so you mentioned it earlier a big part of the combat hunter program or

00:07:42.140 combat profiling is situational awareness can you everyone's got their own definition of situational

00:07:48.260 works i've i've tried to research this and everyone's got their own definition of what that

00:07:52.300 means can you describe uh what situational awareness is uh in the combat hunter program and

00:07:59.360 how do you develop it sure you know you know in a very general sense situational awareness is

00:08:04.720 just being aware of what's going on around you i know i just used the word and the definition

00:08:08.940 uh but the way i look at situational awareness is it means that you know what to look for and you

00:08:15.760 know how to look for the indicators that are going to really support whatever decision you're trying

00:08:21.560 to make and so if you think about in the context of safety or security you might be the most well

00:08:26.760 intentioned security guard father uh husband person out there but if you don't know what makes someone

00:08:33.500 a threat other than visually seeing a gun or visually seeing a knife or some other weapon you're never

00:08:38.620 going to get left of bang if the first time you realize something is wrong when you is when you see that

00:08:43.840 gun you're simply going to be reacting to that attacker so when we talk about situational awareness

00:08:50.060 we use behavioral cues that allow us to recognize the person who stands out from the crowd that's

00:08:55.260 really the the what we're looking for and then we also teach a process we talk about how you look for

00:09:01.520 those indicators so that you can have that advanced warning awesome and so a part of being a situ

00:09:07.340 having situation awareness is um being in condition yellow right we've talked about this before on the

00:09:12.220 site the cooper code what is can you describe for who aren't familiar what condition yellow is

00:09:17.200 so condition yellow we refer to it as a relaxed alert you know that there's bad people you know

00:09:22.720 that there's bad things out there and you're actively looking for them but you haven't found

00:09:27.280 anything specific to focus your attention on just yet and so that's where the situational awareness

00:09:32.580 ties in by knowing what to look for and how to look for it you're going to improve your chances

00:09:37.600 that when you're in condition yellow you're going to find uh that thing that warrants your attention

00:09:42.240 okay so a part of figuring out what should warrant your attention is establishing baselines and this

00:09:49.640 is something you've that it's we've through woven throughout the book um can you talk about what

00:09:55.340 baselines are and um you know and how do you establish them and when is an anomaly from that baseline

00:10:04.620 enough of an anomaly to warrant action on your part okay so when i guess when i talk about knowing

00:10:11.640 what to look for what cues are important the way we do that is we put it into a very simple

00:10:17.000 framework of baseline plus anomaly equals decision the baseline is simply what is normal for an area

00:10:23.600 or a person an anomaly is anything that stands out from that baseline and requires your attention

00:10:28.140 then the decision is what you're going to do about it the anomaly is the attacker it's the predator

00:10:33.540 it's the person that you want to pay attention to but if you think about it being an anomaly is a

00:10:38.320 relative term if you're going to stand out you have to stand out from something and that something

00:10:43.620 is the baseline and establishing that baseline is really the first and the most important step

00:10:49.380 to recognizing threats so the behaviors that we talk about in the book the six domains of combat

00:10:56.060 profiling they really relate to how those six domains come together so that we can establish

00:11:02.400 what is normal for this situation for this person that we're looking at for this group of people

00:11:07.280 uh that we're looking at everything has a baseline just a matter of really explicitly defining that

00:11:13.140 so that you're ready to realize when there's anomaly when there's something that uh deviates from it

00:11:18.880 gotcha so everything's context specific so uh if you go into a village like let's go to give an

00:11:24.240 example like if you're in afghanistan right uh typically a village might have a typical level activity

00:11:30.960 during the day right there's the marketplace and people are herding goats um i guess that'd be the

00:11:35.800 baseline and if that stuff isn't happening would that be an anomaly sure and you know if you think

00:11:42.620 about oftentimes what people describe when they think of the baseline they they think about the

00:11:46.260 physical objects they think about you know the people being in that marketplace you know to buy

00:11:50.580 stuff they think about the tables and the booths and the people selling stuff and the goods

00:11:54.220 themselves but they rarely consider uh the behavior of those people within that how that contributes to

00:12:01.580 the baseline i know we'll probably talk about some of the domains in a minute but you know if you

00:12:06.000 think about an individual person you know every single person that you observe can fall into one of

00:12:11.740 four categories they're either displaying dominance submissiveness discomfort or comfort everyone

00:12:16.920 falls into one of those four categories so part of looking at the baseline is looking at you know the

00:12:22.180 individual people and realizing hey most people here are comfortable or if you uh compare it to

00:12:27.340 like a baggage claim here in the u.s most people in that situation our baseline is people who are

00:12:31.800 uncomfortable because they don't want to be hanging out the baggage claim they want to get on with their

00:12:35.100 trip and so by providing the behavior in a very explicit way to define it and characterize the people that

00:12:41.540 we're looking at we can take that baseline and really expand on to make it much more clear so that we're again

00:12:47.760 ready to identify what that anomaly is or who warrants a little bit more investigation okay so

00:12:53.100 yeah let's get into like those six domains because you the book focuses a lot on behavior um and behavior

00:12:59.240 is a very subtle thing because like you i mean honestly i don't think about how people are behaving i mean i

00:13:04.780 get maybe on a subconscious level i am but consciously i don't um so what are the six domains that the

00:13:10.860 combat profiling program has laid out on to help marines and other military um folks uh figure out

00:13:21.140 what's going on or establish baselines with uh groups well i guess let me back up just for one

00:13:25.960 second sure that hunter program it was created there's actually three pillars of combat hunter

00:13:31.380 there's one enhanced observation the second pillar is combat tracking which is uh just man tracking

00:13:37.580 following footprints reading the indicators that a person leaves behind on the ground on the physical

00:13:42.820 terrain and then the third part of combat hunter is combat profiling how do you observe not just the

00:13:48.540 physical terrain but the human terrain and so when we were looking at the book and when we first started

00:13:54.080 talking about uh what we're going to write about we looked at do we want to talk about all of combat hunter

00:13:59.280 and we realized that there's a lot of books already out there on observation techniques uh there's stuff

00:14:04.800 already out there on uh tracking and so we realized that the biggest gap and was combat profiling and

00:14:11.180 really all combat profiling means it's behavior pattern recognition and analysis but um the fact

00:14:18.140 that it was being taught to marines you teach a class called behavior pattern recognition and analysis no

00:14:22.060 one's going to show up you rename it combat profiling and we fill the seats every single time so i guess

00:14:27.720 you know part of the thing when we start to talk about behavior what we're really talking about is the

00:14:31.600 combat profiling part of the course but especially when we're starting to talk to civilians or people

00:14:36.580 outside the military one nothing here relates to profiling in terms of race or religion or anything

00:14:42.720 like that those indicators in no way support our decisions and it's also not just about combat tactics

00:14:49.080 they apply a lot of stuff that we talk about in the book or in my company's courses really apply to

00:14:54.220 the way we've adapted these observations and these assessments to the civilian world so that it applies

00:15:00.260 there okay well great so yeah what are so what are these um within the combat profiling what are

00:15:07.260 so the six domains of behavior that we should be looking at so the first one is what we refer to as

00:15:14.820 kinesics which is the study of body movement which when you start to analyze that it gets interpreted

00:15:20.220 into body language the second domain is what we refer to as biometric cues there we're starting to look at

00:15:26.940 the uncontrollable physiological responses to stress things like blushing things like sweating

00:15:32.240 excuse me the third domain is proxemics which is the study of space and interpersonal relationships so by

00:15:41.340 looking at the space between people we can start to begin to assess and evaluate groups of people understand

00:15:46.900 the relationship between the different members of the group the fourth domain is geographics and this is how

00:15:54.580 people relate to their environment if you think about the difference in the way that you even act

00:15:59.660 when you are walking through a city that you're very familiar with and you walk through every day

00:16:03.800 and when you're in a city for the first time you're looking around for street signs that behavior and that

00:16:08.640 familiarity really reveals uh your relationship with that area that also can tell us a lot the fifth

00:16:15.140 domain is iconography which is the visual representation of a person's beliefs or affiliations

00:16:21.540 things like tattoos you know if you have a gang tattoo or gang graffiti or something that shows

00:16:26.480 really those beliefs or affiliations in a visual way that's what we're taking a look at with iconography

00:16:31.620 then the sixth domain is atmospherics and this is the collective mood of everyone and everything

00:16:38.920 present it really relates to you know the general sense of safety or security that people feel

00:16:44.740 you know in the different places that they go and so those six uh domains really make up the different

00:16:50.340 levels and the different uh behavioral observations that support the baseline okay so you you use that

00:16:56.480 to figure out your baseline and then you figure out if there's any anomalies so my question is um

00:17:01.980 is there a domain or domains that are more important than the other are they all equally important

00:17:06.400 or and is there like a rule when you see you know an anomaly and various different domains like that's

00:17:13.680 when you act or like how do you know when to make a move the correct answer is probably to say that no all

00:17:19.740 domains are equally important um in a sense they are uh you never know what is going to alert you

00:17:25.500 at that specific moment it might be atmospherics one day it might be a group relationships the next day

00:17:31.280 that lets you know hey there's something weird going on here um but if i had to um choose one that's

00:17:37.040 more important i when i teach this now as a civilian uh i group kinesics and biometrics together

00:17:44.340 they're technically two different domains in the book and in the combat hunter program because they

00:17:49.540 come from two different fields of research but if you think about it they really come together to

00:17:53.840 help us make assessments about individual people and so i say you know i i kind of believe that

00:17:59.540 the way we look at a single person is the most important observation because that's what we're

00:18:04.320 going to build off of for all the other domains if we can't look at an individual we're going to

00:18:09.760 struggle to look at groups of people if we can't look at an individual we're going to struggle to

00:18:13.320 see how they relate to their environment and if we're going to look at the collective mood that's

00:18:17.220 really just the aggregate of all the individual people that are there so i really focus a lot of time on

00:18:23.000 either just practicing myself or when when i'm teaching how to master the way we observe and assess

00:18:28.180 individual people i mean this seems like a very difficult skill to develop because it's something

00:18:33.680 that people don't do on a conscious level like observe body you know body language or

00:18:39.940 things like that because it's very subtle things i mean how do you i mean is it is it something that

00:18:46.140 takes time to develop or can you teach a can a marine go through the program and pick up some

00:18:52.040 things that they can use start using right away it does take time but there's a lot that can be

00:18:56.900 picked up right away you know if you think about back when you first started learning how to drive

00:19:01.320 you know if you think about it there's so many different actions required to drive a car you're

00:19:06.140 turning the car on you're steering you're trying to figure out the right pressure on the gas pedal

00:19:10.220 the brake pedals turn signals checking your mirrors you're so consumed by all those individual acts

00:19:16.560 when you're first starting out that you don't even realize what's going on around you what's going

00:19:20.400 on around outside of the car but after time as you keep practicing how to drive how to drive how to drive

00:19:26.240 all of those internal actions become a habit you can do them without a lot of conscious attention

00:19:31.820 then your focus starts to shift further down the road looking at the people changing lanes in front

00:19:36.500 of you changing your own radio texting on your cell phone eating your burger whatever it is that you're

00:19:40.680 doing in the car the only reason you can do that is because all of those individual skills that led

00:19:45.980 into actually getting the car to go from point a to point b became more natural the same thing applies

00:19:51.960 when it comes to reading behavior at first because we're going to teach a little bit of a different

00:19:55.920 terminology for some of the behaviors that we're going to use and we're going to talk about the

00:20:00.180 reason why certain behaviors are important right at the first moment it might seem a little cumbersome

00:20:06.200 or might seem a little bit of a challenge but we've been looking at people our entire life you know

00:20:11.440 you might not have been doing it intentionally but everyone goes out and people watches at some point

00:20:16.800 and so people have a good foundation to build off of so even though at first the process might seem a

00:20:22.600 little awkward it is designed to support the way we naturally make decisions the way we naturally

00:20:27.080 observe people and so because that we can escalate through or accelerate through you know kind of that

00:20:32.620 learning period pretty quickly all right do you have any examples from the battlefield of the

00:20:39.540 combat hunter program or combat profiling working uh absolutely and um there's one that we talk about

00:20:47.420 in the book and it was a marine who was an instructor in the combat hunter program before i returned to

00:20:52.320 the deploying uh to a deploying unit um but he talks about he was in a village uh one time and he they

00:20:58.140 were talking to the person who they thought was the village leader he thought it was the person talking

00:21:02.440 or talking on behalf of everyone else uh there and as they were having this conversation they started to

00:21:08.160 notice some very subtle things that before this guy would make a decision he would look over at some

00:21:13.760 other people and eventually they realized that the true leader of the village was not the person they

00:21:18.960 were talking to but it was a person who was standing back he wasn't sure of what the marines intentions

00:21:24.320 were what they wanted so he was going to let someone else kind of handle the initial part of the

00:21:28.520 conversation before stepping forward but as the marine realized this was going on as you started to see

00:21:34.300 these behavioral cues they shifted focus and started talking to them and were able to really build

00:21:39.760 rapport with this village much more quickly because they were talking to the person actually uh in

00:21:44.260 charge versus just the representative but we've talked to a lot of marines who come through our

00:21:49.820 course before they deploy and they come back and there's countless stories of people who come back

00:21:54.720 and say you know something they learned in the course saved their life there's people who are coming

00:21:58.540 back saying i want to go through the course for a second or a third time just so i can pick up on more

00:22:02.600 uh and more but uh one of the most recent examples i have just doesn't even come from uh marine or even

00:22:09.540 just using these for security mindset it was a someone who was in sales and who used this with the client

00:22:15.180 they were presenting to and they walked this person walked into a meeting and she realized that the

00:22:19.800 person they were pitching was displaying dominance and um just when she realized that she completely

00:22:26.240 changed her approach upon that recognition and she tailored her delivery to make him feel

00:22:32.060 comfortable to to build rapport with him and she slowed things down and she won him over slowly

00:22:36.860 but she ended up winning the sale and it's not because you know she changed her pitch it's because

00:22:41.560 she said you know i usually give the same pitch each and every single time when i realized that he was

00:22:47.380 displaying that he was not ready to purchase i was able to use that recognition and change how i actually

00:22:52.280 delivered so it's really just about you know creating the opportunity to get the information you need

00:22:58.320 to make an intelligent decision in any field that you're in all right so it's not just for killing

00:23:02.660 bad guys you can actually gain you know gain sales with combat profiling you know if you think about

00:23:10.260 what you know so oftentimes when we teach it it's in the context of recognizing threats if you think about

00:23:16.260 what threat recognition is at its core it's really just looking at someone answering two very simple

00:23:22.120 not simple but two questions about them one do they intend to hurt someone else and two are they

00:23:28.080 capable of acting on those intentions and so the behaviors that we're talking about are really designed

00:23:33.260 to identify the people who have that violent intent but obviously not all intent is violent um you know

00:23:40.140 we can use this uh in you know sales examples you're trying to identify the intent of the person on sitting

00:23:46.580 on the other side of the table as you're preparing for your negotiation to figure out what they care

00:23:50.820 about or what's not important um you apply you look for people's intent when you're interviewing

00:23:55.880 them for a job you're trying to figure out what parts of their background you need to investigate

00:23:59.600 a little bit further customer service management leadership they're all areas where by understanding

00:24:06.180 what people's behavior is telling us about them we can make that more informed decision all right very

00:24:12.060 cool um so for those who are listening who aren't in the military or aren't leos um they're just

00:24:17.240 civilians i mean what can they start doing today to start putting in practice some of the these

00:24:22.640 concepts of combat profiling is there something they can like an exercise they can do uh that can help

00:24:29.220 them become more situationally aware and establishing baselines and things like that yeah sure and so

00:24:35.100 there's really there's two steps when you're trying to use behavior to whatever for whatever purpose that

00:24:40.280 you have there's two steps there's one recognizing the behavior that you see and so in the context of

00:24:46.520 looking at an individual person that might be dominant submissive uncomfortable or comfortable

00:24:50.800 and then the second part is determining you know putting that into context determining is this cluster

00:24:56.540 is this important for us to take a look at or is this important for us to investigate a little further

00:25:01.020 and so the first thing that people can do to really start to master this and make it more

00:25:06.780 natural is really build upon those recognitions um not just to push people uh to our site but

00:25:14.380 my site cp-journal.com started as literally a place for marines to practice when we were teaching it

00:25:21.440 you know we got a lot of marines who came to us and said i'm hooked i'm on board i want to become

00:25:26.220 better at this where can i go and at the time there was nothing available for them to go to and practice

00:25:31.180 on and master these skills before they deployed so our website is really designed around that sole

00:25:37.180 purpose with videos and pictures and blog articles and different ways to practice making each of these

00:25:43.120 different recognitions so that when you're out in town or in a sales meeting or in the mall

00:25:47.880 and you realize something's off you've already built upon that recognition you can immediately jump to

00:25:53.460 figuring out hey does this is this person's dominance something i want to take a look at is

00:25:58.300 this something that i should be concerned about should we get out of here should we call someone

00:26:01.340 and so you can get to that part of the analysis that critical thinking part of the process

00:26:05.480 much more quickly by really mastering and improving how quickly and how accurately you can recognize

00:26:11.420 the different assessments that we teach you call it a building your mental file folder right in your

00:26:16.860 book yeah yeah i like that a lot i like that analogy well cool so what was the name of your site again

00:26:22.180 it's a cp-journal.com cp-journal.com all right uh so besides cp-journal.com is there any any place

00:26:32.160 else where people can find out more about your work absolutely and there's um we recommend you know

00:26:37.480 getting the book uh left to bang which you can get through either our site or blackirishbooks.com

00:26:42.500 or amazon.com but as i talked about before even all the observations that we teach you know we're

00:26:49.540 standing on the shoulders of giants we pulled this from other people who've come before us

00:26:53.080 and at our at our website if you do want to learn more we put up a book or recommended reading list

00:26:57.540 of all the places we pull stuff from and you can you know get the information right from the horse's

00:27:01.760 mouth you know straight from the source if that's what you're looking for uh so we definitely

00:27:05.960 recommend that's where you can start you know your your research and your personal development

00:27:09.500 awesome well patrick van horn thank you so much for your time it's been a pleasure

00:27:12.900 no thank you so much for having me our guest today was patrick van horn he's the author of the book

00:27:17.320 left of bang how the marine corps combat hunter program can save your life you can find that on

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00:27:28.840 develop your situational awareness well that wraps up another edition of the art of manliness

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The Art of Manliness - July 31, 2025

#85 Left of Bang With Patrick Van Horne

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