How to Survive Any Worst Case Scenario
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When people think about survival and preparedness, they tend to think about dealing with an end of the world kind of scenario, but lots of bad things can happen and are more likely to happen that fall short of the apocalypse. My guest can help you prepare for any worst case scenario, whether it s the worst thing to happen to mankind or just the worst that could happen to you this year.
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brett mckay here and welcome to another edition of the art of manliness podcast
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when people think about survival and preparedness they tend to think of dealing with an end of the
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world kind of scenario but lots of bad things can happen and are more likely to happen that
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fall short of the apocalypse my guest can help you prepare for any worst case scenario whether
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it's the worst thing to happen to mankind or just the worst thing to happen to you this year
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his name is mike lover and he's a former green beret the founder of fieldcraft survival and the
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author of prepared hey on the show mike and i first talk about the softer skills of preparedness
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we discuss how to create plans using military concepts like war gaming and the pace methodology
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build your tolerance to stress and develop your situational awareness so you don't freeze in a
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crisis or let one catch you by surprise in the second half of our conversation we discuss the
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harder skills of preparing for worst case scenarios mike outlines what capabilities every man should
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develop he shares his own edc and what he recommends you carry and wear on a day-to-day basis and we
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talk about how to stock your home and car for emergencies and more after the show's over check
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our show notes at a1.is prepared all right mike lover welcome to the show thanks for having me so you
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are the owner of survival fieldcraft it's a company that sells survival gear and also does survival
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training tell us about your background how did you end up doing what you're doing today yeah so i
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started fieldcraft survival in 2015 when i was a contractor for the central intelligence agency i was
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overseas and had a long run in the military and as a contractor it kept me basically outside the country
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and realizing for the first time after a long time two decades of just being overseas and deployed
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and kind of just working for the government i kind of wanted to do something for myself
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and i grew up in an entrepreneurship family and felt like i had the right skill sets at least as a
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baseline to start a business so yeah i started fieldcraft survival in a shipping container in pakistan
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and how has your experience in the military influenced your approach to survival
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yeah that's a good question i i you know i i did a lot of different things and you know my my background
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in the military i was a green beret and most people who understand what that job is they associate the
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operational side or the execution side of what that job does you know direct action missions haas's
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rescue but really that was one component of a very complex job and a lot of the things that benefited me
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had to do with i would say like the soft skills of what we did the not so cool stuff that included
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planning you know planning was really important for me to lay out detailed contingency based plans
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and being not afraid to adapt on the fly in real time as things happen so it sounds like you spend a
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lot of time doing like the soft sort of the mental side of survival not just the tactical gear skill
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based stuff that stuff's important but that soft skill those are probably more important
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yeah 100 i think i think a lot of people because the other stuff you know it markets well you know
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it's it's always a cool hashtag the tactical environment but certainly that's a technical
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capability versus the foundation of resilience the foundation of survival which is your ability to you
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know get through difficult circumstances by adapting through adversity and those things come with time but
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they also come with training and experience and so my focus did not want to be on i think the
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statistical improbability of you know the everyday carry pistol instead i wanted to focus on what i think
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foundationally is the most important aspect of survival which is mindset and resilience and as you build that
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baseline the technical skills will come so yeah exactly that's that's where i wanted to be focused which is like
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the full spectrum of preparedness instead of one technical skill set so you got a new book out called
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prepared a manual for surviving worst case scenarios in which you present some of the big ideas from your
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survival training and you start off the book defining what you mean by catastrophe because i think when
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most people think about prepping they think in probably like grid down disaster or an end of the world
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type of event but your idea of disaster catastrophe encompasses more than that so what's a catastrophe
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for you yeah you know that's that's that's what most people think right they think worst case scenario
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is the zombie apocalypse and there's plenty of hollywood evidence to back that but the reality is
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the catastrophe in your life could just be a bad day you know it's basically how we react and respond to
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stress and that stress comes in different volumes it could be low volume or low grade or high grade and
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high intensity that that includes typically a short duration of time and a heavy volume of intensity
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but you know that doesn't have to be the emp exploding in the atmosphere creating an electromagnetic pulse
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that destroys all your communication you know your all your electronics it could be a vehicle accident
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which is very probable in this country i mean two million people a year are injured from vehicle
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accidents 40 000 americans die every single year in motor vehicle accidents so when you look at
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statistical probability and you look at being prepared for really your worst day that's what we're
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talking about it's everyday natural man-made disasters that happen to people all the time so in the
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first half of the book you talk about the mindset needed for surviving a catastrophe and as we just said
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this is something you like to focus on a lot when you're doing your training so you mentioned a
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little bit about stress but like what happens to our minds and our bodies when we experience an
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unexpected event or disaster because you spend a lot of time getting into the science of this
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yeah i think that's the misnomer and misrepresentation of this idea of surviving or prepping
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or this worst case scenario a lot of the things that we think we are capable of under normal
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circumstances is not how it's going to work under difficult circumstances because we forget the
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suppression of stress right if we if we look at it like a heavy weight that heavy weight comes on to
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our back immediately and if we're not prepared for it because we haven't conditioned ourself for that
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stress it overloads us and then we start losing capacity and capability so a lot of people understand
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the sympathetic nervous response otherwise known as fight flight or freeze what they don't understand
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is they will be in cognitive decline because the primal instinct the primal survival mechanism which is
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very ancestral is depend on physical movements right this fight or flight is a mobility tactic to survive
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so if it's leaning on that side of adaptation and survival it's not going to lean on cognitive processes
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but we live in a more modern world where we need to lean on those modern processes like staying
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cognitive making sound rational decisions under stress and so if we don't understand how that works
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because we haven't trained it experienced it even just talked about it and understood it in ourselves
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then when those things come on when we identify the symptoms then typically it's too late because
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we've already hit the tipping point and after the tipping point is just a cascade going downhill so
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just understanding the basics of it allows us to operate in it well in the book you give you've
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experienced that fight or flight response firsthand when you were in the military i think you described
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an attack you had and the first time it happened like you froze like you didn't think you're gonna
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freeze but you did yeah that's a it's a good story it's at my proudest moment in my military career
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luckily it was early on but i trained at fort bragg north carolina called camp mccall it's where green
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berets train and before i was a green beret i was an infantryman i'd been to ranger school i had been
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exposed to a lot of training a lot of stress and so i thought i was pretty conditioned for it and then
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camp mccall made me more conditioned for it and what we were trained for was specifically the war
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in triple canopy like patrolling in the jungle in this case it was pine trees in north carolina but
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what i wasn't prepared for was a 107 millimeter rocket you know this this 107 millimeter rocket
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sounds like a freight train it is very dangerous it has a kill radius of about 25 meters when it impacts
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the earth which is massive and when that started happening in my first attack while i'm holding a
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rifle that i was trained with and trained on there was no battle drill or reactions that i could utilize
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in that moment to save my life and so i ran behind a vehicle i took a knee and i essentially froze and
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part of that was finding cover and concealment trying to get out of harm's way but i remember having
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to talk myself through the stress realizing that i was clammed up and then saying to myself hey you got
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this here's some self-affirmation get out of your head you got this breathe do this and then i got back
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to my feet now that only was a few seconds but it felt like a lifetime and it was profoundly something
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that i didn't realize was going to be my reaction but that's how we take on stress we can't always
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identify the exact elements of stress to train or condition for and sometimes the best we could do
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is adapt to what we think is going to be the worst case scenario but even that's not always good enough
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so yeah while you didn't train for that specific stressor you're able to take the training you did
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with the other stress and apply it on the fly and i guess what you're saying so like for just a
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civilian they don't know the types of stress that they're going or the disaster they're going to
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encounter but what you can do to become more resilient is just train under stressful situations
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so that you know how to handle the stress when you experience so like what would that look like for
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a civilian how do you train to prep under stress yeah it's a good question it's it's i think it's the
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most profound question in this whole idea of training and preparing it's exposure you know
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and exposure takes on various forms because what we realize the science tells us about survival
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is it's just not our training and our conditioned for stress that's going to benefit us in the worst
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case scenario in surviving it's actually things like triggers like how do we know that a 107 millimeter
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rocket is going to affect me in a certain way a sound a noise an event so if you have a trigger
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that exists in you and you haven't conditioned yourself to stress because you're exposing yourself
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to stress then you'll never know and then the worst case scenario it might clam you up and you know we
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talk about this hyper arousal which is this fight or flight response but what's not often discussed is
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the hypo arousal on the backside of that sympathetic response which is a shift back into parasympathetic
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and being extremely hypo aroused where the playing possum which is an autonomic response where you're
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playing dead and can't move could lead to a you know egregiously bad outcome on the backside of that
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because i haven't exposed myself so what we recommend is one the exposure to stress doesn't have to be
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training at camp mccall or operating in the military you know or combat operations it could be your
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workout of the day because when you start to do something difficult your mind is telling your body
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essentially you're going to die if you continue to do this you're going to die so what you're doing
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every time you hit a wall and you push through is you're building resilience and you're becoming more
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comfortable with this idea of embracing this pain and this suffering and you're doing so in silence
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and you're coming up with tools and tactics in your head to get through these difficult
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circumstances so exposure is not just the most difficult thing you could do it's taking yourself
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to a place that's difficult in a workout of the day a long ruck march a long run when i tell guys
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if your wife is into an orchestra or a symphony or ballet and you don't like that well there's a reason
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you don't like it so have you ever thought about actually going and if you do go and you work
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through that difficult thing like oh i don't like this and then you realize oh it's not that bad
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what you're doing is building resilience because you're adapting through adversity and you know
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that's that's the single cell organism all the way to the most advanced species of primate which is
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us you know we all need to be exposed those stressors because that makes us better at operating
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under stress another thing you do is like if there's survival skills you want to practice
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practice them in uncomfortable situations so instead of trying to start a fire during the day
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when you can see try to start it at night maybe make things wet like just do things that it gets
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you frustrated and that'll help you work through that stuff yeah that's and that's a good point what
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we realized in training especially technical training you could practice and do all the technical
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skill sets but most people do those under optimal conditions so when you add stress the benefit of
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adding stress which we call culmination when you add that stress you start seeing your technical skill
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sets degrade and that actually is a good way to identify your weakness and your technical skill
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sets and then when you identify those weaknesses you go back and hone them and then repractice them
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but only when you validated them in stress so like you said like tourniquet application yeah it's real
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easy to apply a tourniquet to a leg as you loop it around your ankle while you're standing except
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if you're applying a tourniquet to your leg you have likely a high fracture and the most painful
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experience of your life you might even be in your seat belt upside down in your vehicle in a ditch late
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at night so you need to practice that as much as possible to get as close as you can to stress
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all right so that's resilience in the mindset so just learn how to be comfortable with stress
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and then learn how to overcome it you mentioned one of the things you learned as a green beret was the
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importance of planning and being prepared what does this look like for getting ready for a catastrophe
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or disaster for a civilian yeah what we tell people is the common sense approach here is you know you
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can't take a five paragraph operations order format and apply it to most civilians you know that military
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translation just does not translate i mean that was years of training and application in a military
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career over two decades for me to get a sense of it what i tell civilians is planning starts with
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course of action development and course of action development starts with a conversation with the
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ones you love or the ones that you want to be integrated into your survival plan so take fire
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disaster for example fires across this country kill a lot of americans and it's very unfortunate very
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preventable instances most often so how many people go out and train on a range or carry the tourniquet or
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first aid kit in their vehicle but they don't have a fire plan for their family so what we say is it starts
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with the conversation and identifying the weakness by asking the conversation and what we call war
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gaming you know that's a very military procedure but war gaming is essentially playing the devil's
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advocate as you're communicating through the intent so if the objective is we need a fire plan you would
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say to your spouse hey honey what would happen if we have the kids in their bedrooms and we need to get
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down to the first floor because the uh upstairs bathroom is on fire well oh yeah we would grab them
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and then move to the front floor but yeah what if the fire moved down the wall it is now blocking the
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front door oh well maybe we'll go out the back door well what if the front and back door oh what if it's
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at the base of the stairs how do we get off the second floor down to the ground oh my gosh i've never
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thought about that so in that deficiency you just identified well you got contingencies because not
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all fires are the same they grow they expand they evolve and now you go well how do we get down from
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the second floor safely with our children do we have a rope ladder do we have an escape plan have
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we rehearsed it have we done the technical training have we educated our family on how this is going to
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work it simply starts with identifying deficiency and vulnerability making a list of those vulnerabilities
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and then looking to make those vulnerabilities now your assets and reduce your liabilities this all
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starts with basic conversation we do this in a what's called an isolation facility and sometimes
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for weeks we're doing this course of action development refining the plan i would say this
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could happen at your you know dining room table with your family which simple conversation besides a
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fire escape plan what's another plan that a regular family could have in place a bug out plan
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is insanely important you know three years ago when i started talking about bug out plans because
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bug out plans are something that we plan for in war zones but often we planned in international
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travel well this last two three years has shown us through both the pandemic and natural disasters
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including wildfires and floods that bugging out or having a plan to displace from a bad situation to
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a better is very important so right now i would tell people if if a law enforcement officer came and
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knocked on your door and said you have 10 minutes you need to get your stuff and you need to get out
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of here as soon as possible is the tank of gas full in your vehicle you could have a hundred thousand
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dollar raptor that's really capable off-road but if you have a tenth a tank of gas then you got a
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couple miles of capability do you have gear that's pre-packed to be able to displace in the worst case
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scenario is that gear redistributed through your vehicle and your home so you have the concentration
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of increasing capability through the capacity which is the space that you have so if i have a tourniquet
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on my person in my pocket in my purse or my satchel do i have a first aid kit that's upgraded in my
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vehicle do i have a aid station and antibiotics in my home so a bug out plan is a good place to start
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and thinking about well honey we there's a huge wildfire threat because you live in california
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if you live in you know the panhandle of florida there's a huge hurricane threat a lot of the people
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who perish in worst case scenarios especially natural disasters didn't do basic planning and
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they did like everybody else they bought bread and water you know six hours before the storm that's not
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when we should be getting prepared in the military there's this idea of pace planning what is that and
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how can civilians apply it yeah pace plan is a very easy way to apply contingencies or the backup for
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the backup basic redundancy and your planning scheme you know a lot of people a lot of institutions plan
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for everything to go right what we do in special operations because we know murphy's law is we plan
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for everything to go wrong and what that means is let's say it's communication that's a really basic
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one communication is your lifeline especially in a modern society like america where picking up that
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phone and getting a call out to help even if you're going to be your own first responder is imperative for
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sustained survivability because if you have the fracture in your leg and you treat that well you
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need upgraded care and having that lifeline in your phone is important so in a pace plan which is the
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acronym which stands for primary alternate contingency and emergency i would add a commo place plan so
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primary is going to be common sense it's going to be gsm or cdma it's going to be my basic cell phone but
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what happens if you're in the back country you likely are using offline maps you don't have reception if
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you don't have a booster because you're on foot then that might not be your primary well your alternate
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could be sat or iridium it could be satellite communication as long as you have a view of the
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sky you're sound and you're good but what if you're in triple canopy what if you're in the forest and not
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in the open desert well then your contingency might be rf or hf based radio communication it might be a ham
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radio it might be gmrs it might basically be a walkie-talkie and then my emergency would be i have no ability
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to get communications out i am resorting back to time and place basic communication and all of these
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factors include training include uh service and support where i'm checking the communication
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and checking and coordinating with people if your emergency plan is time and place and you haven't
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communicated that to your spouse who doesn't know where to go or the time and place that it's not part
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of your pace plan but if i'm going through my pace plan i write it out and i check all my equipment
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and then i go to my spouse and say honey if i'm not back by 12 o'clock noon i want you to go to the
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trailhead at one if i'm not there by one i want you to call the authorities because likely something is
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wrong if you can't ping me on my sat phone and that's basic redundancy that could benefit you in every
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facet of your life and preparedness and everything else you do because it's better to have a backup plan than
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not all right so we talked about resilience we talked about planning another thing you talk about
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when it comes to mindset the soft skills is situational awareness what is situational awareness
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and how do you develop it yeah the simple answer there is paying attention and the problem is
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situational awareness for me 20 years ago was just staying focused in the environment and most of the
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time when you translated that for military or to civilian life we were good we just paid attention
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because that's all we had to do now with the introduction of technology the integration and
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saturation of technology most people aren't paying attention so more kids more teenagers are killed in
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vehicle accidents than ever in history because they're on their cell phones while they're driving
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and more accidents are frequent so when we talk about situational awareness we're just saying
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deliberately pay attention to your environment when it is appropriate because you need your attention
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you need that heads up display to navigate the situation as a rule of thumb for example driving with
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your family you shouldn't be on your cell phone make it a habit to take your cell phone put it down
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get your hands at the 10 and 2 and keep your focus on driving versus trying to multitask while you're
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trying to drive with your family that will increase the probability that you'll survive we also mean
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paying attention in environments where a lot of people who if I said when every time I go into a
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restaurant or unknown environment I scan from left to right and look at anomalies or spikes in the
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pattern people would go oh you're paranoid and then we go no I'm just paying attention now these are
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these are things that I have to communicate out loud or that shut me down from being able to operate
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normally in society these are just methods of focus where I'll intentionally scan from left to right
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I will look at anomalies I'm not looking at hands and demeanor on every single human being I'm just
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looking for things that stand out in the pattern so most of us because we're very complacent in our
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environments and we're not paying attention when we hear spikes when we see them when we observe them
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we begin to get very curious we pick up our cell phone we want to record it what I tell you is if you
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see an anomaly there needs to be an appropriate action that needs to take place so if you have a
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domestic dispute in a restaurant and that is elevating or increasing then it's not going to be
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just observation and me saying to myself hey check this out look at look at this crazy stuff that's
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happening it's going to be honey um let's go to a different restaurant or can we ask the host can we be
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seated somewhere else away from this because if you look at worst case scenarios something that's
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universal about survival and the people that survive is displacing off the x or where the bad stuff is
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happening getting further away with distance time and as many obstacles as you could put between you
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and that circumstance and that comes with observation first and foremost but the tactics to bear so we're
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not just identifying we're not just observing but we're coming up with solutions to react and respond
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lastly on that most of us default to denial a good case in point is if you're comfortable and you're
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sitting upstairs with your wife and you're watching tv and you hear a noise downstairs what's our immediate
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default we write it off we go oh that's the dog and your wife's like honey we don't have a dog and
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you're like oh well it must be something that fell off the shelf except things just don't magically fall
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off the shelf there's a cause and effect something happened so make it a habit to say oh i just heard
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a noise i'm going to get up immediately to go identify what that is because more time that goes by
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especially the early onset of a disaster it's going to lead to that tipping point where there's no point
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of return so build the habit it's hard especially now with cell phones and distractions but it's
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going to benefit you in the long run okay so situational awareness when you're in your car
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pay attention in your car obviously you do that but then also when you're out and about pay attention
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to what's normal in your environment and then what are anomalies and this could again this can be
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tricky you have to pay attention because it could differ from place to place i think you talked about in
00:26:22.700
your book when you were i think over in iraq or afghani over there in the middle east the normal
00:26:27.340
situation was for people to be angry at you yelling at you and like that was normal the anomaly was when
00:26:33.060
everything was quiet and everyone was being friendly to you then you knew like wait something's up but i
00:26:37.260
think a lot of people they might think oh if something's friendly to me everything's fine but
00:26:40.420
it depends on the situation yeah that's a good point because there's environmental factors everywhere
00:26:46.520
you go and i frequent and travel the country um i used to travel the world and i could tell you
00:26:53.400
the way i react the way i adapted environments the way i maintain situation awareness for each
00:26:59.560
environment that i'm in differs right so what i tell people the best advice would be to lean on
00:27:05.780
intuition and intuition is just basically a primal survival mechanism to tune into the environment
00:27:12.620
and identify things that will get you killed so that is the extreme version of that but in the world
00:27:18.940
in society that we live in today where you know man-made catastrophes could be somebody getting
00:27:24.320
mugged in the middle of broad daylight at a gas station and you're in the vicinity and things go
00:27:29.540
really bad on that crisis site and you could be in harm's way because of how close you are to that
00:27:35.260
bad situation so when you're in these situations we're looking for the thing that drives our intuition to
00:27:42.020
go wait something doesn't seem right here and when you feel that like i used to tell my guys in
00:27:48.240
special operations if we're on a mission and i have a guy who's a kid from wyoming who grew up
00:27:54.040
in the country hunting in the back country of wyoming and he says hey hey mike i just i got a weird
00:28:00.400
feeling about something we stop and we take a knee we stop look listen smell we try to identify any
00:28:08.400
anomalies in their patterns ourselves but i've turned around and circumvented feelings and intuition
00:28:15.180
that have led us to good outcomes so have that feeling when you identify it have an action
00:28:21.540
to displace and and don't don't write off things as just oh yeah it must be that is a very complacent
00:28:29.520
mindset and survival and it's something that's very preventable and you know read about it on the late
00:28:34.980
night news because you go to pull in that gas station at two in the morning and you're like yeah we
00:28:39.600
probably shouldn't go to this gas station in this neighborhood at two in the morning there's one a
00:28:43.640
little bit further down or you know what i'll just get gas in the morning and if something went wrong
00:28:48.160
you'll never know about it but that's a good thing we're gonna take a quick break for your word from
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our sponsors and now back to the show okay yeah so situational awareness if you notice something
00:29:03.520
then get off the x get yourself put time distance between you whatever is potentially is freaking you
00:29:09.780
out because that could potentially save you so we've talked about the mindset stuff let's move
00:29:14.440
into skills average guy what skills or survival skills do you think people should develop and
00:29:20.140
maintain in order to be prepared for most disaster situations yeah the biggest skill set which i think
00:29:26.540
is the foundation of survival and preparedness is health and wellness and physical fitness you know i get
00:29:34.400
guys who show up to my you know gunfighter pistol course which is basically just self-defense pistol
00:29:40.020
and it's one nuance of many technical skills that are required but in statistical probabilities the less
00:29:47.380
probable you know when you take a tourniquet application class that's a lot more probable but
00:29:52.780
likely not going to show up for that now the guys who show up a lot of americans over 60 percent of
00:29:59.820
americans are considered obese or overweight and when you look at that and you got the guy with
00:30:06.800
five thousand dollars with a gear and calisthenics are free we communicate that hey guys you know the
00:30:13.620
first step in preparedness here is you showing up as a foundation that is i'm not doing a block of
00:30:18.900
instruction on how to do calisthenics you need to show up fit because that needs to be the foundation
00:30:23.760
and we have the conversation because i you know a lot of men don't want to have that conversation
00:30:28.520
but when i see men that are overweight i look at them and go all right what can we do to get you in
00:30:33.200
better shape that's the foundation health and wellness which seemingly in a men's universe
00:30:40.140
especially entrepreneurs is a weakness right if you get four hours of sleep then you're grinding and
00:30:46.320
that's that's adapting and that's success it's not getting seven to ten hours of sleep a night
00:30:52.180
and taking care of your physical person is the way that you overcome and succeed so if you don't have
00:31:00.780
those things if you don't get good sleep if you don't have good habits built into your routine
00:31:05.440
including getting physically fit and eating right you're not going to be prepared to do the technical
00:31:10.840
training to become more technically proficient so you know you could shoot move communicate but if you
00:31:16.800
can't pick up your spouse and put it on your back and run a couple miles because that might be
00:31:21.120
the natural disaster response of getting away from the wildfire that we saw in paradise california
00:31:26.300
then you're not going to survive so it starts with health and wellness and physical fitness as a
00:31:32.600
start point okay beyond that what are some of the more hard skills people should develop
00:31:36.100
well i always consider security as a primary factor this country is very unique in the fact that we have
00:31:42.960
an american society that has many guns and the bad guys have guns and you know i tell people the
00:31:49.600
statistical probability of you using your edc pistol is very minimized but the actual statistics of you
00:31:56.480
using that to defend somebody else's life including your family or people in your environment are higher
00:32:02.440
because we're not talking about you being a victim we're talking about somebody else potentially being
00:32:06.880
a victim and you need to be a responsible citizen and samaritan so i would weigh security as the primary
00:32:14.340
skill set always so that's going to be self-defense the protocol but we don't just teach the technical
00:32:21.360
aspects of drawing the pistol to save the day we teach people about the psychology of making the
00:32:27.320
decision to have to use deadly force because it's a serious decision that's important other skill sets
00:32:33.940
include survival so do you have the right equipment are you trained on the right protocol can you start the
00:32:40.260
fire when you fall in the river on your epic you know man trip to alaska well fire starting in the
00:32:47.240
backcountry is going to be a primary skill set i tell people first aid falls in line with survival
00:32:53.640
because if you are like me and you do backcountry hunting and you want to live this rugged life and you
00:32:59.720
want to be in the backcountry off grid away from people getting balanced and you don't have the
00:33:05.120
equipment because you are going to be your first response then that's a bad setup you're setting
00:33:10.020
yourself up for failure so learning to apply a tourniquet learning how to stop the bleed with
00:33:15.620
the right equipment those are basic hard skills that everybody needs to learn which is security
00:33:20.760
first aid and survival as a start point and the first aid that can apply in an urban environment
00:33:26.060
too and just in your day-to-day life you might encounter someone who has a heart attack right what
00:33:29.580
do you do you know what to do when a loved one has a heart attack or if you get in that car wreck
00:33:33.000
and there's some sort of bleeding like would you know what to do to stop the bleeding yes you know we
00:33:38.000
teach at fieldcraft survival we teach basic cpr how to utilize an aed more people are dying from
00:33:44.600
cardiovascular events than ever in the history of this country most of it because of bad health
00:33:50.280
and heart disease just being the number one killer of americans but if you don't know how to use an aed
00:33:55.640
and re-kick and start somebody's heart during a cardiovascular event they're in a point of no return
00:34:01.600
they're circling the drain and it's basic skill sets that take minutes and sometimes in some
00:34:07.920
occasions hours to learn and you can sustain that training but also you could include your family
00:34:12.620
and it makes you more capable as a family unit too which is very important well yeah another thing with
00:34:18.300
these skills you just mentioned that you have to sustain them like skills they degrade if you don't
00:34:22.520
practice them so if you took a cpr class a couple years ago you should probably do that again or if you
00:34:27.880
went to a pistol class a couple years ago well you should probably be doing more than just that
00:34:32.880
yeah they're perishable they're very perishable and what i tell people is it for example if you take
00:34:38.960
a tourniquet if you carry a tourniquet every day as part of your staging or load up procedures we talk
00:34:45.740
about staging because it's important to stage your equipment out but it's more important for the
00:34:50.580
inspection that you do prior before you put it on your person put it on your physical body because it
00:34:56.540
builds confidence that you know your equipment well if you pick up your tourniquet and you just
00:35:00.720
unravel it and you kind of look at the components you might even apply it to your forearm as a
00:35:05.160
practice and then fold it up and put it inside your pocket that took you less than a minute but that
00:35:10.940
rehearsal gets you in the right mindset of doing the mental modeling and practice that are going to
00:35:16.720
make it easier for you to use that especially under stress in the worst case scenario so definitely
00:35:22.060
these are all perishable skills we tell people you know field craft survival isn't the end all be
00:35:27.120
all solution and all things preparedness go out and get training from local firefighters from local
00:35:32.160
institutions and do it often that is going to make you better as an individual and it's going to make
00:35:37.520
you better again as a family unit all right let's talk about the fun stuff and that's gear and edc
00:35:41.760
everyday carry what do you think are the essentials of an edc to be prepared for any situation
00:35:47.180
so it depends on your position in life because i would say your capacity to carry those things is
00:35:54.120
important as a understanding like i'm a father i have kids and so i want to have first aid on my
00:36:01.180
person to treat them because certainly kids are at the bottom of the barrel of people who survive
00:36:07.140
and who perish you know they're at the bottom of the barrel because they're not you know they're
00:36:11.520
not developed they don't have prefrontal cortexes that are going to rationalize and make good
00:36:16.200
decisions so we need to do that for them so mostly i carry a fanny pack inside that fanny pack i carry
00:36:22.800
a 365 xl macro which is a 17 plus one round mag gun from sig it's one inch thick so it's very streamlined
00:36:30.460
i carry it inside of a field craft fanny pack which i designed for like low viz data operations but
00:36:37.140
essentially you could fit a first aid kit on the front end of that which is a bleeding control kit
00:36:42.540
i carry a surefire cloud defensive light either or i usually carry a bench made folding pocket knife
00:36:50.000
inside my pocket in my pants more for utility than anything else but these are things that i carry but
00:36:56.000
habits that i institute into my life no matter what so the pistol is kind of fire and forget where
00:37:03.060
the pistol exists there but it's behind all the things that i use in utility so it's not exposed and
00:37:09.500
carrying it in a fanny pack allows me to not bear it on my body and it's just a lot more comfortable
00:37:15.040
to do it that way your capacity could be increased depending on what you're doing a patagonia fly
00:37:21.280
fishing bag a purse a murse a european man satchel whatever you're into that is going to help you extend
00:37:27.920
your capacity but carry the right things the baseline is edc pistol a light source a fire source and a
00:37:35.220
first aid kit you also talk about the importance of being dressed to be prepared for any situation
00:37:40.040
i think you have an example from when you were in the military you were wearing flip-flops
00:37:42.880
around camp and your guy was like no you shouldn't do that you're like why when it's like well you're
00:37:48.380
gonna find out why yeah yeah that's a good point i look at edc is not only as what you wear physically
00:37:54.700
but it's also your demeanor it's your posture but on the physical side you know in that situation
00:38:00.260
where i was wearing flip-flops where i'm like oh i'm on duty and then i'm off duty well technically
00:38:05.520
if you're living a preparedness lifestyle you're always on duty and so in that case that capacity
00:38:10.960
my job was to protect case officers overseas so there was no off duty and the place that i was at
00:38:17.080
was very remote so i had a responsibility to be prepared at all times and if things went bad which
00:38:22.940
statistically in that country they often went bad i would not be able to effectively and efficiently
00:38:29.280
operate to save people with flip-flops on so when i go out with my kids if i'm going somewhere like
00:38:36.520
the zoo where i could be a mile into the park and something bad happens and i need to pick up my kids
00:38:42.780
and move off the x then i'm not going to be wearing flip-flops so i look at it as distance and time
00:38:49.280
and my current capability so from the hat i wear to the sun classes i bear down to the shoes that i'm
00:38:55.380
going to put on i'm considering all of those factors and it again it doesn't have to be difficult
00:39:01.300
to assimilate in your life because if anything is difficult to assimilate you're not going to do it
00:39:06.380
in your routine you're gonna be like yeah that's that's cool but it's just not comfortable i'm not
00:39:10.560
going to do that i'm not telling you to be uncomfortable i'm telling you that when you weigh
00:39:15.260
certain factors like hey i'm going to Walt Disney World where you potentially will be miles
00:39:21.260
into the park away from the parking lot and that you have to get out before everybody else
00:39:27.420
you might want to consider dressing the part parking in the right place and then looking at
00:39:33.940
a plan to get you out of that worst case scenario with your family in the most effective way that
00:39:39.800
literally as long as it took me to say is probably how long it takes you to effectively consider those
00:39:45.640
things so it's just considerations from head to toe again including posture yeah i thought about
00:39:51.540
you know it's important to dress for the weather i think there's always a temptation for people
00:39:54.820
like during the winter it's cold outside you're like well i'm just driving my kid to jujitsu
00:39:58.580
i'll just wear shorts pair flip-flops i'll be fine nothing's going to happen well you can get a
00:40:03.580
wreck and you're going to be outside and it's going to be 20 degrees outside and flip-flops and
00:40:07.600
shorts that's probably not a good situation to be in so put on your pants and it happens all the
00:40:12.280
time in this country all the time yeah got any recommendations on transportation in a catastrophe
00:40:18.420
yeah for sure i mean one of the things that we talk about in mobility we call mobility you know
00:40:24.980
basically overlanding or off-roading or recreational travel but the concept for mobility is
00:40:32.200
your transportation vehicle that you use mostly every day i mean if if you're listening to me on this
00:40:38.700
podcast you are likely either in your car or in a place where your car is in the vicinity of you
00:40:45.460
so your vehicle is a logistical lifeline and in the worst case scenario it's not only a logistical
00:40:51.300
lifeline it's literally the vehicle that you're going to use to displace to get away from the bad
00:40:56.060
situation so what we say is how capable is your vehicle does it have the right ground clearance does it
00:41:02.420
have the right tires do you have a full take of gas and there's a whole bunch of things but what i would
00:41:06.740
say is the best consideration from translating edc into advancing into more capacity in your vehicle
00:41:14.260
is you just got a big rucksack you know it's the extension of your ruck if i have my ruck on my back
00:41:21.880
well i have a certain amount of capability because it's on my person it's on me but if you look at your
00:41:27.680
vehicle and the empty trunk the empty dead space you have on your floors you have a lot of space so why
00:41:34.260
not fill that void with like like you just used in the example how about shoes an extra pair of shoes
00:41:39.540
extra pair of socks and some cold weather gear because if you live in montana or like i do in
00:41:44.120
utah where you have 40 degree swings depending on the day where it could be snowing in the morning and
00:41:50.060
sunny and 75 in the afternoon well things could happen and if you have that capacity filled with
00:41:56.140
capability then your vehicle becomes an extension and it actually expands your capability and survival
00:42:02.720
uh do you recommend people take any sort of driving course or defensive driving courses
00:42:07.540
absolutely i mean i think when you look at the statistics of people dying tragically in motor
00:42:13.260
vehicle accidents a lot of it like one example the number one tragic thing that happens in motor
00:42:19.160
vehicle accidents is over correcting and then hitting a vehicle head-on so you over correct because you
00:42:24.540
react you come off the road you lose traction and then you snatch the wheel back the other direction
00:42:29.720
direction you catch traction your wheels aren't aligned and then you lawn dart either into trees
00:42:35.500
or oncoming traffic that is the number one thing that kills people in motor vehicle accidents so
00:42:40.940
that is a very easy thing to learn and team o'neill you know a commercial rally school up in new
00:42:48.280
hampshire which i've been to several times in the military but it's open to civilians as well
00:42:52.980
so you know my kids and my children they're already in utvs they're four years old and they're on utvs and
00:43:00.740
they're on different kind of power wheels because they're learning traction and i'm teaching them
00:43:05.160
how to drive for fun but that recreational adaptation of going to go to rally school is going to help you
00:43:11.660
understand traction and control which most people don't you know they get 16 years old they get the
00:43:18.060
permit they almost fail because they back into a car they know nothing about how to drive so defensive
00:43:24.060
driving and driving schools period bsr bondurant team o'neill very important skill sets to learn
00:43:31.840
especially at a young age i think if you're going if you're a man and you're taking yourself take your
00:43:36.900
spouse include it into a family trip and have them learn as well because it's very important yeah that idea
00:43:43.140
of um stocking your car so you're prepared for whatever situation i mean you talk about in the
00:43:47.700
book your car can serve as a shelter in a bug out situation so if you're trying to get to your bug
00:43:52.120
out location your car can be sort of like a mobile shelter at the same time and my dad actually
00:43:57.760
experienced this he was this was like a long this is like 30 years ago he was driving back from
00:44:02.520
albuquerque to oklahoma city he was on i-40 i think he was right outside of groom texas and there was a
00:44:08.440
blizzard and it just stopped traffic and he couldn't go anywhere but he had his
00:44:13.080
car really well stocked blankets everything and he was able to ride it out until the next day when
00:44:17.520
they had you know the plows come through but if he didn't have that stuff it probably would have
00:44:22.800
not worked out great for him yeah the vehicle is one of the most capable things that we have at our
00:44:28.320
disposal that's part of our everyday lives so we've talked about having plans for your home in the event
00:44:33.840
of a disaster catastrophe having a fire plan a bug out plan but anything we should think about you know
00:44:39.540
just the physical aspect of our home that we need to gear up on so we're ready for any situation
00:44:43.720
yeah your homestead or your house is certainly going to be your bed down location in the worst
00:44:50.300
case scenario you know most people aren't going to bug out and go to grandma's in the worst case
00:44:55.120
they're going to go home and most people's homes aren't you know homestead on five acres off grid
00:45:01.400
most people live in apartments and condominiums and suburban homes and so what i tell people is
00:45:07.640
the number one factor is most of your reliance is outsourced in institutions so your water is
00:45:16.160
connected to city plumbing your trash is taken by trash guys your security is outsourced to first
00:45:22.920
responders your health care to the hospital and the insurance company so what i would say is start
00:45:28.280
insourcing as many things as you can to not rely on supply chains when they fall apart because there's a
00:45:36.740
gas strike you know just these little nuanced things that happen if they happen in a certain
00:45:43.020
sequence they could disrupt our lives entirely we saw that during the pandemic where you know people
00:45:48.260
are fighting over toilet paper well how about you think about capacity even if you live in an
00:45:53.260
apartment complex you know people ask me all the time mike how much food how much water how much
00:45:57.760
hygiene and i said well what's your budget how much are you willing to invest in your resources
00:46:03.780
and your sustaining survivability over the long haul how much do you care about this idea of being
00:46:08.860
prepared because that's really the question i mean if you cut back on your starbucks habits or your
00:46:14.120
coffee habits every day your energy drink at the local 7-eleven then five dollars a day will be a real
00:46:20.780
sound investment in building your food and water supply so take a slop closet that you have that's you know
00:46:27.020
has a a broom take that remove it make it your preparedness closet and start stockpiling on the
00:46:33.320
things that you need in the worst case scenario start looking at insourcing and taking back these
00:46:39.900
things that you've outsourced so much and and you don't have to get crazy you don't have to grow a
00:46:44.520
garden in your apartment what i'm saying is like have you ever hunted because most of your protein in
00:46:50.180
your refrigerator you likely buy from a local grocery store but if you hunt you can fill your freezer
00:46:55.540
with good protein that could feed your family for a year and also the process of preparing and getting
00:47:02.040
ready for the hunt and then exposing your family and yourself to that is going to build resilience so
00:47:07.180
that's a good start point so it starts with the microcosm of looking at your space and then building
00:47:13.700
out and it's a constant oodle loop it never is like i'm standing on the pinnacle and the high horse of
00:47:19.220
preparedness and i'm prepped i'm prepared this is a constant work and ethic and then you also talk about the
00:47:25.100
importance of thinking intentionally about home security so putting layers in a lot of people
00:47:30.320
don't even think about home security except for locking the door but there's more you could do
00:47:33.440
yeah you know i always i'm a technical guy i'm a technical nerd it was part of my expertise in
00:47:39.600
special operations and when i look at mitigating risk i look at early warning as a number one security
00:47:46.100
protocol and home defense like a lot of people think of home defense as your shotgun in your closet
00:47:50.740
like if you got to your shotgun in your closet and you're racking it a lot of things have gone wrong
00:47:56.540
so i look at you know observation and fields of fire obstacles these basic things i learned in the
00:48:02.200
military but what you could do to start it off right is look at closed circuit television cameras i mean
00:48:07.980
technology and adapting things like vivant into your home security plan where you can have sensors you
00:48:14.120
can have cameras in certain positions where it notifies you via text if somebody's standing in your
00:48:19.360
driveway and then it turns on an early warning device that says hey you're being videotaped
00:48:24.680
those things are going to mitigate risk most certainly in your home over the last ditch worst
00:48:30.520
case scenario where you're thinking about the firearm and tool think about it all but certainly integrate
00:48:35.820
technical security into your home defense plan you also talk about the importance of developing
00:48:40.980
social connections in being prepared what role does social connections have in being prepared for a disaster
00:48:46.360
yeah the lone wolf idea briefs well i mean i i like mark walberg's depiction and shooter i was a
00:48:53.860
sniper i wanted to live that life i did for a little bit in colorado and then about a week into it i was like yeah
00:48:59.300
um this isn't fun anymore you know i don't have anybody to talk to you know it's just me and the dog
00:49:05.140
and the reality is every single major catastrophe we're talking world war ii to a hurricane in florida
00:49:13.520
the way to survive is through your social networks right the people that you're going to lean on are going to be your
00:49:20.060
neighbors and more so in our communities we don't know our neighbors we don't know the people who live above and
00:49:25.660
below us in the same apartment complex all i want you to do is build your social connections and have those
00:49:32.880
conversations hey john you know we're neighbors if something goes bad what's your capabilities versus what's mine
00:49:39.940
you know start developing assets versus liabilities and most people think they're liabilities because
00:49:46.100
they don't have a specific skill set but i promise if you're a breathing walking human being you have
00:49:52.160
assets to bear you just haven't identified them yet so maybe you're the morale booster or maybe you're
00:49:57.320
the person who's very organized who could put a list together a communication plan it's one of the reasons
00:50:03.000
we started american contingency.com is developing these social networks across the country where
00:50:09.380
people come together they're doctors lawyers blue collar people just normal human beings trying to live
00:50:14.380
their best life and they start building these things called communities back into the fabric of our
00:50:20.180
country because you're certainly going to lean on that when things go wrong well mike this has been a
00:50:25.280
great conversation where can people go to learn more about the book and your work
00:50:28.160
so prepared is available right now it's a manual for surviving worst case scenarios it's everywhere
00:50:33.620
that books are found you could probably find it at your local vendor or on amazon and we're launching
00:50:39.400
an application the same day in conjunction with this because you know prepared is like hey this is
00:50:46.080
preparedness it's not that scary we hope that you want to get education on this and so we develop an
00:50:50.900
application on fieldcraftsurvival.com is where you could find it but the idea is it's not just like all the
00:50:57.040
scary stuff it's like canning and jarring it's family preparedness it's cpr it's cpr for kids
00:51:04.040
it's basic stuff that is going to allow you to get educated virtually and then all of our stuff is
00:51:09.600
available online for free the fieldcraft survival application you can get free content the fieldcraft
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survival channel on youtube and the fieldcraft survival podcast those are all free resources to see what
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we're talking about when we talk about this idea of being prepared fantastic well michael lover thanks for
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your time it's been a pleasure thanks for having me it was an honor my guest today was mike lover he's
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the author of the book prepared it's available on amazon.com and bookstores everywhere you can find
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at aom.is prepared where you find links to resources where you delve deeper into this topic
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