Prepare Now to Have Your Best Year Ever
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Michael Hyatt is the CEO of the leadership consulting firm Michael Hyatt & Company and the author and creator of Your Best Year Ever, a book and course about how to make the coming year your best yet. In this episode, we discuss the 5-part process he believes is key for successfully making and keeping goals, starting with the importance of adopting the right mindset and doing an after-action review of how the previous year went. We then discuss how to modify the standard SMART goal model to make them smarter, why your goals should feel risky, and the number of goals you should set per year. Finally, we talk about whether or not you should share your goals with others and why you should tackle your goals by doing the easy stuff first.
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Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast. Now, how did
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your 2021 go? Did you accomplish less than you wanted to? Are you hoping to have a more
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successful run at your goals in 2022? Well, my guest today has got your plan for making
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the coming 12 months your best year ever. His name is Michael Hyatt. He's the CEO of
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the leadership consulting firm Michael Hyatt & Company and the author and creator of your
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best year ever book and course. Today on the show, Michael takes us through the five-part
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process he believes is key for successfully making and keeping goals, starting with the
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importance of adopting the right mindset and doing an after-action review of how the previous
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year went. We then discuss how Michael has modified the standard SMART goal model to make them
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smarter, why your goals should feel risky, and the number of goals you should set per year.
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We then discuss how to stay motivated and working on your goals throughout the year, whether or
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not you should share your goals with others, and why you should tackle your goals by doing
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the easy stuff first. We enter a conversation with the importance of reviewing your goals
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on the regular. After the show's over, check out our show notes at awim.is slash best year ever.
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So you've had an interesting career. The first half of your career, you were a CEO of a multi-million
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dollar publishing company. And in your second act of your career, you've turned into a teacher.
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You are teaching individuals, organizations, how to be better leaders, how to be more productive,
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how to set effective goals. Basically, it seems like you're just trying to help people
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live better lives, more effective lives. And you've got a course coming out called Your Best Year Ever.
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And then you've based a book, you wrote a book based on this course called Your Best Year Ever.
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And I thought it'd be great to bring you on the podcast now because we're coming to the end of
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the year. People are thinking about how 2021 went. They're thinking about goals they want to set for
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2022. So I think we've got some, you've got some good insights to help people through this process.
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So let's start off with where people mess up with their New Year's resolutions, like where they get
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derailed. Do we have numbers on how many people create resolutions and then like the percentage of
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people that actually follow through? Have you figured that out?
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Yeah. You know, I've seen a variety of stats on that. I mean, basically almost everybody sets
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resolutions. Very, very few people follow through on them. And partly it's because I think more of a
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resolution like an aspiration. It's just sort of this general but vague desire to achieve or to
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accomplish something. But unless it gets reduced into an actual goal, and I've got a very specific format
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for how I coach people to develop their goals based on the latest science. And unless it's put in that
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format, and you've got some sort of system that, you know, is the foundation for the whole thing, you're
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probably just going to be, you know, petering out by the third or fourth week of January. In fact, usually when I go to
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the gym, I used to belong to a gym, and now I've got one in my house, but I used to go to the gym. And always
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after the first of the year, I hated it because parking lot was full, couldn't find a parking place,
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go into the gym, couldn't get on the equipment in a timely manner because the place was packed.
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But I finally learned that if I would just wait a couple weeks, all that would take care of itself
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because all the people that were, you know, the people that had made resolutions but didn't really
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have a plan for following through, they would just give up and go back to their normal life.
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So you got to have, you got to have a system. And that's what I try to offer in your best year ever.
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So yeah, it's, it's, the problem is that a lot of times people set goals, it's very
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ethereal and very vague. And you're saying you got to make it concrete.
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Absolutely. The more specific and measurable and concrete that you can make it, the better it's
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going to be. Cause you gotta, you gotta really kind of step into the future. And I mean, I think
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this is where people get tripped up and where people don't get the clarity they need because they
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don't think about it enough. But I think deciding what you want for your future is the hardest
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part. Once you decide that, trying to visualize that in as much detail as possible, and then
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reduce it to writing, you know, is critical to the whole process.
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Well, before we get to writing down goals, there's stuff you got to do before that. And
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you walk people through this process, it's a five to five part process. It's field tested with
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thousands of people you've done this over the years with. And you start off with basically
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before you even write a goal down is you have to talk about people's mindsets when it comes
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to goal setting. How do our beliefs about ourselves and the world around us influence
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whether we'll achieve our goals or not? Like, what do you see the mistakes people make there?
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Yeah, this is like the biggest thing people have to get past because their ability to visualize
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the future, their ability to change is really dependent upon the way that they view the world.
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I call it limiting beliefs. So we have these beliefs about the world. They don't actually exist
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out there, but they're just in our head. And we're often unaware of these, but they shape our reality.
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So let me give an example. I don't know, about a decade ago, we had an English setter. His name was
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Nelson. And he was a great dog, except that if we put him in the backyard, we didn't have a fence at
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the time. He would often, you know, wander away. We'd have to go chase him down. And it just wasn't
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very, you know, good use of our time. So we invested in an invisible fence and it was amazing
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because, you know, they put a perimeter wire around your property. And then if the dog tries
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to transgress that perimeter or go past the perimeter, then they get just like a vibration,
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but it's unexpected. So it kind of shocks them and they avoid that sort of surprising,
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you know, little vibration. And so it doesn't take long. I mean, they got, you know, he got trained
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in like, I don't know, probably less than an hour. And he was so trained that I would have
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the grandkids on the other side of the invisible fence and try to coax him with treats to come
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over it. And he couldn't do it. He wouldn't do it. He always stayed on the inside of the invisible
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fence. It was a great, great solution. In fact, I had to get a sponsorship with them because I tell
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this story so much. But regardless, the thing is, is that his view of reality had moved from the
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physical world to his head. The only thing that was keeping him from going past that perimeter
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was his belief that something bad was going to happen if he did so. And that was it. But all
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of us developed these over time. You know, maybe it was because it was the way that we were raised or
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we had some negative experience. And, you know, years ago, back in the early nineties, I went through
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a bankruptcy with a business that I had started and it was horrific. I mean, it was one of the most
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humiliating things that I ever went through. But one of the things I discovered years later was
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that I had a belief that I developed around that experience that basically said, I'm not very good
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at starting a business or I'm not very good at running a business. And man, I had to shake that.
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I went on to become the CEO of Thomas Nelson Publishers, one of the largest book publishers in
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the world. But I had to do some serious mental work before I could even begin to think about that
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and break myself free from the past. So that's where people have to start is really
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develop their mindset and ask themselves, what is it that's keeping them from getting the life they
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want? Is it, is it really out there or is it between their ears? And I would say probably in
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my experience, some of it's out there for sure, objective, but most of it's subjective. And it's
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just a belief that we have about the future or about the world.
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When you've worked with people through your course and your program and your coaching,
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what are some common, you know, beliefs that people have limiting beliefs that people have
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you seen over and over again? Yeah. I would say some of the most common ones have to do
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with themselves. You know, they'll say, for example, I'm not very good with money or I'm too young
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or I'm too old. You know, I get that all the time, especially from entrepreneurs. I coach a lot
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of entrepreneurs and they'll say, well, I'm not, I'm not sure I should start this business because
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I'm too old or I'm not sure I should start this business because I'm too young. And so then I just
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have them look at some examples of people that were really young when they started businesses
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and were highly successful or really old when they started businesses and were highly successful.
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But those would be some of the most common ones. It could also be though beliefs about other people,
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you know, like, you know, whenever you hear somebody say, you know, all women are, or all men are,
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or all children are, or all, you know, pick your ethnic group are, you know, those are limiting
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beliefs that have very little to do, if any, with reality out there. And then there's, you know,
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beliefs about the world where people say something like, you know, it's just, people are just evil
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or they're just bad or conversely, you could say they're good. I mean, these are all beliefs.
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Nobody's going to, you know, be able to empirically prove that one way or the other,
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but they're beliefs that shape how we behave. And that's the key thing. So we got to be careful
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about what we believe. I've got a sign in my kitchen that says, don't believe everything
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you think. No, yeah. It's really true. Yeah. You bring in cognitive behavioral therapy
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in this. They have this idea of limiting beliefs. They call it learned helplessness. I think they
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actually did an experiment with dogs like your dog, where they basically shocked a dog so much,
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they stopped jumping over a fence and they could just take off the shock and the dog wouldn't jump
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over the fence anymore. But yeah, one of the problems that can lead or the bad thinking patterns that
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can lead to limiting beliefs is, you know, catastrophizing, you know, thinking the
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worst could happen or universalizing. It's like, well, it didn't work out for me in this one
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instance. So therefore it will never work out for me. You're exactly right. Catastrophizing,
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universalizing, personalizing. Those are all ways that we take the stories that we experience
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and then we try to apply them in a broader sense. And sometimes that's helpful. I mean,
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that's, you know, kind of the foundation of wisdom, but it can also be the foundation of limiting
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beliefs that hold us back. And another limiting belief that people can have, especially around goals
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or resolutions, like, well, I've never followed through on my resolutions. So there's no point
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in trying now. And I think that's, that holds a lot of people back. Oh, it definitely does. Or I'm,
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I'm not very good with deadlines or that goal is just too big, or I've never done that before.
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And I think we have to be careful. And here's one way to access what those limiting beliefs are
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is pay specific attention to the language you use. So for example, if you say to yourself,
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gosh, I'm just not very good with money or I never follow through. My daughter says this,
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she says, well, if you say so, yeah, because, you know, not only our thinking, but our words determine
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the reality that we experience. It shapes and structures kind of our cognitive experience
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and enables us to process it and make meaning out of it. So we got to be careful about what we say.
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This is very helpful, by the way, for people that may be listening, that may be coaching
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or a therapist or whatever, but just listening to the language that people use
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can be really helpful in helping you to access or understand their thoughts.
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All right. So the first step is just figuring out what are your limiting beliefs,
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your negative thinking patterns. How do you reset those to something more positive and abundant?
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Yeah. I tell people, you know, the first thing you got to do is get it out of your head.
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So go ahead and write it down just as it appears in your head. So usually limiting beliefs,
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their sentences in our head. And, you know, so if we can just get those on paper, just write down
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what you're saying to yourself. There's this inner narrator that just, you know, exists in all of us
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that's constantly explaining, interpreting, and making meaning. So get it on paper. That's number one.
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Number two, ask yourself the question, is that belief empowering or not? Now, if it's not empowering
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and you want to change it, then what you have to do is transform it into a liberating truth.
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So from limiting belief to liberating truth. So for example, you might say to yourself,
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I'm not very good with money. That would be the limiting belief. You say, that's not really serving
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me because I said, because of that belief, I find myself not very good with money. But a liberating
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truth might be something like, you know, I'm learning to be more proficient with money
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or I'm learning how to invest or something. It needs to be true, but it needs to be the aspect
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that you're missing or you're not emphasizing. So all of us can learn, right? We just got to
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transform it into something more productive and more helpful.
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Yeah. It's reframing. I mean, one useful thing I've read, this comes from cognitive behavioral
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therapy. You know, if you find yourself universalizing, like, well, I'm not good at this.
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Well, you can add in yet at the end. Like, I'm not good at this yet. So it's the idea is that you
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can, this isn't permanent. You can actually do things to improve the situation.
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Yeah. That's a good way to do it. And that's a good way to hack our language. You know, another,
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another example of that exact same thing is when people say, I have to go to the gym
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and if they can just change one word from have to get, I get to go to the gym. Then all of a sudden
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you start focusing on the positive aspects of going to the gym instead of sort of the negative part of it,
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the drudgery part of it, the part of it that you're trying to avoid.
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Yeah. You talk about in the book, a lot of people, especially when you get in middle age,
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they're always complaining about, I'm just tired. I have no energy to, to do things. But like you
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said, reframe it. It's like, oh, you have enough energy to get done what you need to get done.
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I've caught, I've caught myself doing that. I, when my kids are like, what's wrong? I'm like,
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I'm just so tired. And it's like, I'm not really tired. I mean, I'm able to do, I'm able to
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function. I'm able to go down and do a workout. So I'm not tired. I got to quit telling myself that.
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Totally. Cause you will manifest that behavior. And one of the things I say to myself,
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one of my affirmations with regard to energy, which is important, is that I say I have more
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than enough energy to achieve the things I need to do. That's all you got to do. And besides
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reframing, you also recommend after you've done that is you have to sort of reorient yourself to
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that new belief. Kind of, you have to kind of tell you, talk to yourself in a way, kind of do,
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I mean, I wouldn't call them affirmations, but you have to change the way you talk to yourself so
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that you start believing this new reality. Yeah. Brooke Castillo, who has a great podcast
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called Self-Coaching School, you know, she calls this self-coaching. And I think that,
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that for all of us, you know, I think coaching is a great thing to, to get involved in. Therapy is a
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great thing to, to get involved in, but you can do a lot of self-coaching. Just talk to yourself,
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coach yourself. What would a coach say to you in this situation?
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Yeah. I always do that when I'm being hard on myself. It's like, would I talk to my son this
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way if he's having a hard time? And the answer is usually no. So. Yeah, that's a good one.
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All right. So the first part is, is figuring out your limiting beliefs and reframing them and
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reorienting them to a more abundant, more positive view. So if you have this view of yourself that you
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can never accomplish goals, well, maybe not now, but you can, you can change that. The next process is
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before you even start setting or writing a goal down is reviewing your past. Why is it important to
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review your past before you start thinking about goals for the future?
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Well, first of all, I'm not, I'm not recommending that you do a deep dive into this. You know,
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that may be time better spent with a therapist. And frankly, I really believe in therapy and have
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had quite a bit myself, but what I'm talking about here specifically as it relates to setting goals
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for the new year is look back over the last year. You know, if there, by the way, if there was trauma
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or something, you know, really significant, that may be helpful to process with a therapist too.
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But, but here's the thing I'm after. I don't want you to drag the worst of your past, especially
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the last 12 months into your future and make your future toxic or ruin it before it starts.
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So it's important to get clear on what happened in the past, do what I call in the book and in the
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course, an after action review, which is something I learned from the U S military,
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but just asking yourself the question, you know, simply what did, what was it that you wanted to
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have happen? And then to acknowledge it, you know, don't pretend, don't try to blow it off.
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Don't try to dismiss it. Don't make it bigger than it was. Don't make it smaller than it was,
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but acknowledge what actually happened in as objective way as you can. And then,
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then go ahead and learn from it. And, you know, what are the, what is the wisdom that you can
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distill still from it that you might still find useful into the future and then adjust your
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behavior. So literally those steps, if you go through those steps and processing the past,
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and in the course, I have people actually write these things down. There's a, there's an exercise
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for this, but write this stuff down and just make sure that you've processed it and you're not dragging
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it into the future. Yeah. I mean, in the book, you have a few questions to ask yourself in this
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after action review. I mean, one of them is what were your plans, dreams, and your concrete goals? If you
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had any, sometimes you forget what they were. I like this one. What were some of the two or three
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specific themes that kept reoccurring throughout the year? I think that's interesting because I
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think every year has a different theme based on a different part of your life. So those are a few
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questions. Let's say you do this after action review. So you write down how the year went and
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you're trying to not get too emotional in this. You're trying to be objective, talk about the
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successes, talk about the losses, but let's say you look at it and you're looking at the losses and you
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start feeling that twinge of regret. It's like, oh man, I just wasted another year.
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You actually make this case that you can use that feeling of regret, kind of do a judo move on it
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and actually use it to spur you for positive change. What does that look like?
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Yeah. There's been a lot of research around regret. And the thing about regret is it usually
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indicates, and I kind of see it like as a Geiger counter that is revealing buried treasure.
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Whenever you feel regret, that's oftentimes where you have the opportunity to really grow
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and to really achieve something significant. And it's called in the research, the opportunity
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principle, but to look for that regret and don't see it as something negative or something shaming,
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but to kind of embrace it and say, oh, I feel some regret about whatever it was that, that loss,
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that thing I didn't fully achieve. So maybe that's an opportunity that I can focus on. And if I could
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just persist this next year, I could get the breakthrough that I'm after.
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Sure. Okay. So look, look for those, instead of seeing regrets, I guess regret. Yeah. I like
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that. It's a Geiger counter to figure out where you can make improvements. You also, besides not
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analyzing your regrets, look for opportunities to be grateful. Why is that important in your goal
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setting process? Well, before you ever begin the process of setting actual goals, you've got to get
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yourself at a position where you're thinking abundantly about the future. And this is also kind of
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another limiting belief that people have. If they have scarcity thinking, then they're not going to
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think as expansively as they should about the future. You know, their world is going to be very
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small. What they think they can accomplish is very small. But if you can get to a place where you feel
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abundant, all of us have felt this way, where you, you know, you wake up grateful, maybe on a certain
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day and you think, man, I could take on the world. It's because you're having an abundance mindset.
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And so why not be intentional about that? I mean, it's a good practice to do every day,
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but especially when you think about planning goals for the future, to look back over the last year,
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even if it wasn't a great year, what are the things that you could be grateful for? And just to
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remember, life is not just a single dimension. It's not all work. You know, maybe things didn't
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go so well at work, but maybe your marriage or your relationship with a significant other
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is amazing. Or your relationship with your kids is great. Or you picked up a new hobby. Or,
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you know, you've got some friends that you didn't have before. Whatever it is,
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try to find those areas where you can be grateful. And I find, Brett, to write those down is also
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very helpful. Helpful makes it more concrete. And it also gives you a list to refer to on those days
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when you wake up and you don't feel so grateful. It's just a way to prime the pump.
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And I think, yeah, it's important to be grateful because as you said, gratitude is just a virtue. So you
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should do it in and of itself, right? But also it's good to do before you set goals, because as
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you said, whenever they've actually done research on this, and you've highlighted the research in
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your book, whenever people are in a scarcity mindset, when they start thinking about the
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future, they start thinking scarce. They have very limiting beliefs. But if they have, if they're
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more grateful, they're more optimistic, and they're more open to possibilities when they start
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thinking about the future. And that will help you when you actually start sitting down
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to write your goals out. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I literally, I believe in this so much
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that I begin every day with it, you know, initial gratitude, what am I grateful for from the previous
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day? And then I do it in my weekly preview, what I'm reviewing the past week. I do it in my quarterly
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preview when I'm looking at the previous quarter before I plan the new quarter. But it's just a good
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exercise that frankly kind of helps you bring closure. And in this case, we're talking about step two,
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the past, bring closure to the past before you begin the process of designing the future. Just
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a great way to do it and set you up for success. And another point you make that oftentimes we think
00:20:23.980
of gratitude as a mood, that it just, we feel grateful whenever the mood strikes us. But now
00:20:28.380
you say like, no, gratitude is a practice. You have to be intentional with this. It doesn't just happen.
00:20:32.180
You don't want it to just happen. Yeah, this is, this is true really for a lot of emotions,
00:20:36.440
but sometimes people think gratitude is an emotion and indeed it can be an emotion,
00:20:40.740
but we can get to that emotion. One way to hack our way there is to begin to act grateful,
00:20:47.040
to begin to say grateful things. True for love too. You know, I learned this a long time ago. Thank
00:20:51.420
God I've been married for 43 years, but I wouldn't be married if I was just depending upon sort of this
00:20:57.280
elusive feeling that we call love. Cause sometimes I don't feel that, but if I act in a loving way or I
00:21:02.780
speak loving words, guess what? My feelings follow my actions. So that's an important, I think life
00:21:08.500
principle is to remember that our feelings are always going to follow our actions and we can act
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our way into a new way of feeling. We're going to take a quick break for your words from our sponsors.
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And now back to the show. All right. So we've looked at our limiting beliefs, reoriented them,
00:21:26.000
reframe them. We've done the after action review. Now we're actually going to start thinking about
00:21:29.580
our goals and writing goals down. And I think pretty much everyone who's listening to this podcast
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has probably heard of smart goals. These are goals that are specific, measurable, achievable,
00:21:39.600
relevant, and then time bound. You've modified the smart goal process to create smarter goals.
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What does a smarter goal look like? Well, let me give you the acronym and it is an acronym just
00:21:50.720
like smart. Before I get to that, I want to just say that it's critically important to write down your
00:21:55.140
goals. This is where, where a lot of people don't achieve what they want to achieve. And this is the
00:22:00.000
case with resolutions because it's something vague. It's in their head. It doesn't live on a piece of
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paper. I really believe, Brett, that the first step in making something, that aspiration or reality,
00:22:11.160
the way to begin to manifest that and make it part of your experience is to begin to write it down.
00:22:16.940
Certainly you can speak it and that's helpful too. But the thing about writing is it helps you clarify
00:22:22.580
your thinking. And there's this old saying that I picked up somewhere. I'm not even sure who said it,
00:22:27.160
but it's that thoughts disentangle themselves passing over the lips and through pencil tips.
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Sometimes things are a jumble in our head, but as we begin the practice or the act of writing it down,
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we start to get clarity. And it's almost magical how it happens because I can be really vague on
00:22:43.200
something. And I learned this as a writer, but if I start writing, I'll get clear because that very
00:22:48.600
act forces you to get clear. Okay. So let me give you these seven attributes of smarter goals. First of all,
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attribute number one, do you want me to give you an overview and then we can go back and unpack it?
00:22:59.380
Yeah, let's do overview and then kind of unpack it.
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Okay. So attribute number one is specific. Attribute number two is measurable. So far,
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no difference with the SMART framework. Attribute number three is a little bit different in my
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system. It's actionable. I'll come back and talk about what that means. Attribute four is where I
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really depart from the conventional wisdom. And that is attribute number four is risky. And a lot of times
00:23:23.440
in the traditional framework, that stands for either relevant or it stands for realistic.
00:23:29.280
And I contend that realism is overrated. I'll come back to that. Attribute number five is that
00:23:34.980
they're time keyed or time bound. Attribute number six is they're exciting. And attribute number seven
00:23:47.660
Well, this is a case where the more specific you can make it so that it's not vague in general,
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but the more specific that you can make it, the more likely you are to achieve it because it's
00:23:58.180
going to help you to visualize it. It's going to help you actually pursue it and make it concrete.
00:24:03.880
So, you know, I've had goals in the past. I've, I've written, I think 12 books. And if I just had a
00:24:09.780
goal, like write a book, you know, that's directionally right. I mean, at least it's getting me
00:24:14.340
pointed in the right direction. But if I say, for example, like my new book is called,
00:24:18.400
it's all in your head and it's all about brain science and how we can apply that to goal achievement
00:24:23.240
and productivity. But if I, if I literally say like I did last year, that my goal was to write a book
00:24:29.920
called it's all in your head, that all of a sudden is more vivid. I can visualize that. I know what to
00:24:35.660
do with that. Writing a book that sounds big, ambiguous, and scary. So make it as specific as you can.
00:24:46.040
Yeah. The great thing about this is if you can make it measurable, first of all, you can plot
00:24:50.380
your progress. So for example, if I've set a goal that I want to lose 20 pounds and I've been specific
00:24:56.640
and measurable and put 20 pounds in there, then I know how I'm doing toward that goal. It also helps
00:25:01.880
me to recognize the win. I'm defining the win in advance and I'm trying to reduce it if possible to
00:25:07.380
a number. Now I fully get that not everything that we want to achieve in life can be measurable,
00:25:13.320
you know, and there's, I just distinguish in the book between what I call achievement goals,
00:25:17.700
which is what I'm talking about now and habit goals, which are often useful in those situations
00:25:23.500
where we can't measure. We're going to just take up a habit that we know is going to move us toward
00:25:27.600
what we want. So for example, if I want to have a better relationship with one of my kids,
00:25:32.040
you know, I could pick up a habit goal, like, you know, having lunch with them at school every week
00:25:37.900
that would move me toward, you know, that kind of connection that I desire that may not be able
00:25:42.620
to be measured. But I would say when you're doing an achievement goal, you, if at all possible,
00:25:48.400
reduce it to a number, include something that quantifies it. It'll help you mark your progress
00:25:54.440
and it'll help you know when you've won. Well, even with a habit goal, you can make it measurable
00:25:58.480
by saying, well, I'm going to do X once a week. Totally. That's a little hack for, for a thing
00:26:03.380
that where you want something that's an aspiration, but you can't, I have a goal can get you there.
00:26:09.400
Yeah. Okay. So we got miserable. The next one, this is where you change instead of achievable,
00:26:14.360
you have actionable. Why the, why the difference? Well, goals are essentially about taking action.
00:26:21.920
And so I don't even know what achievable is. I don't even know what that means because the reason I
00:26:27.260
don't know what it means is because I've been able to accomplish, you probably have to things that on
00:26:32.020
the front end, I didn't know if they were achievable. And I just, you know, I know that if I set a goal
00:26:36.500
that's right, I probably got a good chance of achieving it, but I call this actionable because
00:26:42.100
it needs to be a verb. It's about the actions that I can take that are going to move me toward
00:26:47.140
this new reality that I want. And it's very simple, but just make sure that every goal starts with a verb,
00:26:52.820
but it's an action verb, not a to be verb. So I don't want to get too grammatical here,
00:26:57.660
but for example, if I, if I said, you know, something like, you know, I want to be a better
00:27:02.920
writer, you know, that's a to be verb instead of saying like, I'm going to, you know, write 500
00:27:10.240
words a day, which would be a habit goal, or I can make an achievement goal. I want to write
00:27:14.280
this manuscript called it's all in your head. Okay. Makes sense. That makes sense. All right. So make
00:27:19.200
actual, avoid to be, make it an action verb. The next one you added this, it's the R it's risky.
00:27:25.360
So this is a lot of times smart goals are like, you want them to be realistic, but you're saying,
00:27:29.240
no, you want the goals to be risky. Why is that? Yeah. And I'm doing, I'm doing this
00:27:32.840
based on the research. So in goal, there's a whole field of study called goal achievement research.
00:27:39.080
And the people that, that have done work in that area basically found to their surprise
00:27:43.420
and counterintuitively that when you set a goal too low, it doesn't really command your attention.
00:27:49.580
It doesn't ignite your imagination. There's nothing about it that pulls you forward because
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it's only an incremental gain. It's nothing that, that is inspiring. So what you've got to do is you've
00:28:01.080
got to make this something that's risky, that's in your discomfort zone. And that's the key thing
00:28:06.640
is to put it inside of your discomfort zone. So the way you know that you're in your discomfort
00:28:12.900
zone is when you begin to feel a little bit of fear, a little bit of uncertainty, or a little
00:28:20.120
bit of doubt. FUD people call it, but I'm looking for those three emotions that indicate that I've
00:28:25.520
passed from the comfort zone where nothing really good happens. You know, you just maintain the status
00:28:31.140
quo to the discomfort zone. And if you really think about it, this is where every great thing happens,
00:28:35.860
but it doesn't usually start out that way. We feel a little bit of fear, like the possibility that we
00:28:40.740
may fail. So we got to dial up the goal in terms of what we're trying to achieve to the point where
00:28:47.620
we feel a little bit of fear. We know we could fail. It's not a certainty. And then that brings
00:28:51.540
us to uncertainty. You know, we're not sure if we can do it. You know, we've never done it before.
00:28:56.400
And then finally doubt. Maybe we wonder, do I have what it takes to pull this off? And those are
00:29:01.200
actually good motivations and talk about reframing. I reframe these as positive indicators that I've
00:29:07.000
now just moved beyond the comfort zone into the discomfort zone where great things happen. If you
00:29:12.480
look back over the course of your life, probably every significant, important, meaningful thing
00:29:17.980
that happened to you began in the discomfort zone, right? You were out of your comfort zone,
00:29:23.020
whether it was that new job you took or starting that new business or marrying that girl or marrying
00:29:27.100
that boy or having those kids or whatever it was, it was all in your discomfort zone. And it created
00:29:32.120
that fear, uncertainty, and doubt. So you don't want to dial it up so far that you're in what I call
00:29:37.760
the delusional zone where, you know, it's just impossible. Like for example, if I said, um, you
00:29:43.720
know, at my age, I think I'd like to start a third career as an NBA center, you know, that's in the
00:29:52.000
delusional zone. But if I, but there's a lot of things that would be in the discomfort zone. But so I
00:29:57.520
just want to make sure that I don't go too far over into the delusional zone. I want to dial it
00:30:02.400
back a few clicks so that it represents something that, that achieves that fear, uncertainty, and
00:30:07.720
doubt, but not where I'm terrified by it or have no clue about how to proceed. That's the delusional
00:30:13.220
zone. All right. So the next one in the T is time keyed. And that's just, it makes sure it's kind
00:30:17.140
of similar to time bound, like have a deadline associated with it. Totally. And the only reason I
00:30:22.260
call it time keyed is because when it comes to habit goals, you know, you, you might not be
00:30:26.400
talking about a deadline, you won't be talking about a deadline, but you might be talking about,
00:30:29.780
for example, the time of day that you're going to do it or the days you're going to do it. Is this
00:30:33.820
going to be a Monday, Wednesday, Friday activity, or is this going to be, you know, an everyday
00:30:37.300
activity, or is this going to be at nine o'clock in the morning, or is it going to be at, you know,
00:30:41.620
noon? So it needs to be time keyed. There needs to be a date or a time associated with it.
00:30:47.300
Or the next one is E and that's excitement or exciting. What is an exciting goal? And why is that
00:30:51.800
important that you feel excited about your goal?
00:30:53.260
Well, it's important because if you're not excited about the goal and, you know, there's a lot of
00:30:58.920
times we put things on our goal list that we feel like we ought to do, maybe because our boss is
00:31:04.180
asking us to do it or our spouse is asking, but it's, it, it really is something that's extrinsic.
00:31:10.640
You know, it's, it's external to us. Somebody else is motivated by it, but we're not that motivated by
00:31:14.480
it. Those goals you will not accomplish. Not usually you'll, you'll, you'll, when you get to the messy
00:31:20.080
middle, you'll quit on the goal. And that's an important concept to be aware of too, is that in
00:31:26.100
every goal pursuit, you're going to encounter a time when it's the messy middle, when you're too
00:31:31.560
far in to quit, but you're not sure you've got what it takes to finish. And that's when you want
00:31:36.540
to quit. And that's where a lot of people quit. So if you don't have something that's really exciting
00:31:40.080
that you actually want to accomplish, it's going to be easy to bail at that point.
00:31:44.020
Yeah. I want to talk more about that, like staying motivated on your goals throughout the year,
00:31:47.220
because you have some more insights there. That last letter in the acronym of smarter is
00:31:51.720
R and that's relevant. What does a relevant goal look like?
00:31:55.360
Well, there, there's a couple of different things that it means, but let me just give you
00:31:59.240
two of them. First of all, it means that they're relevant to the season in life that you are right
00:32:05.580
now. You know, I'm an empty nester. I've got more discretionary time than most people. And I've got
00:32:11.860
five grown daughters, some of them with very small children who have very little discretionary time.
00:32:16.200
It wouldn't be appropriate for them to try to set a goal in some area. Like I might set a goal,
00:32:22.040
like for a hobby or something, because they don't have the time right now to pursue it.
00:32:26.240
So it's got to be relevant to your season in life and your life circumstances. But the goals also need
00:32:32.840
to be relevant to each other. And what I mean by that is they need to, they need to fit together.
00:32:38.960
You can get into the delusional zone by having several giant goals that on their own makes sense.
00:32:46.200
Yeah. They're in your discomfort zone, but they're not in the delusional zone.
00:32:49.180
But if you put too many of those together, you're going to be in the delusional zone.
00:32:53.340
So you've just got to have some balance there and make sure that there's some kind of internal logic
00:32:57.700
that makes sense for all the goals as they fit together.
00:33:00.680
Well, let's talk about the number of goals. Cause I think that's a thing that people struggle with.
00:33:04.220
I know I've had in the past where I've set resolutions because you just want to do all
00:33:07.340
the things, right. In a year. So do you have any insights on like, what's the ideal number of
00:33:13.180
goals to pursue throughout the year? Or is it like you haven't, like, are you setting goals a quarter?
00:33:18.340
Are you setting goals for the entire year? Like, what does that look like?
00:33:22.260
Yeah. What we recommend is seven to 12 per year. Okay. No more than that, but no more than three.
00:33:30.360
Sometimes you can go to four, but three goals per quarter.
00:33:32.800
So spread your goals out evenly. Don't make them all do on December the 31st,
00:33:36.800
because what happens is to people as they procrastinate and then they're trying to jam
00:33:40.020
them all in the last quarter of the year. So have them spread out, but also no more than seven
00:33:45.520
to 12 for the whole year. I may say seven to 10 in the book, but the latest research shows about
00:33:50.260
seven to 12. Okay. But you're not doing, I think the key is you're not doing it all at once.
00:33:53.600
I think that's what causes people to get overwhelmed and just stop because they try to do everything at
00:33:57.160
once. Totally. And that'll, that'll, you know, that builds into it failure. So seven,
00:34:02.800
to 12 and that's a, that's a much more, you know, realistic number to manage. If you think about it
00:34:09.460
this way, Brett, you think, you know, a goal is kind of outside the whirlwind of daily activity and
00:34:14.940
you're, you've got a life that requires certain maintenance and those are things that are already
00:34:18.980
in place. And so it's not like, you know, you've got 40 hours a week to pursue these goals of things
00:34:24.560
that don't exist. You've got things that are already in place that you got to maintain. So you want
00:34:28.820
to make sure that you don't, you know, have more goal than you've got resources to accomplish.
00:34:33.840
And do you have any insights on the type of goals, like domains of life that people should make goals
00:34:37.360
for? Absolutely. And in fact, we've got an assessment called the life score assessment
00:34:43.000
that will enable people to take that. And it's a free test. Maybe you could link to this in the show
00:34:47.300
notes. But what the life score assessment does is that it gives you an opportunity to self-assess
00:34:52.940
progress against the 10 major domains of life. And I do this every year. In fact, I do it every
00:34:57.840
quarter so that I can evaluate just how I'm doing in each of these areas. So I know where I need to
00:35:02.560
focus because for example, if I'm, if I'm really suffering in the domain of my social life, my
00:35:08.740
friendships, then that may be something I want to build a goal around for this next year.
00:35:13.280
Okay. So let's talk about, uh, we set our goals, we've written them down, we get started on them.
00:35:17.820
And as you said earlier, at the very beginning, a lot of people, they set that fitness goal. And so the gym
00:35:22.360
is crowded. And then about a month later, it's back to normal. So a lot of people where they get
00:35:27.020
hung up, they get going strongest, start out, start out the gate really strong, but then they
00:35:30.340
just sort of peter out any insights from research that you've done and just working with people on
00:35:34.940
how to stay motivated throughout the year on your goals. Yeah. One of the things that I encourage
00:35:41.120
people to do is to get really clear on their why find their why, what is it that's motivating you
00:35:46.680
or you find motivational when you frame that goal up and we'll never be, you know, more inspired than
00:35:51.360
we are at that moment when we begin. I mean, I can think of, you know, running several half
00:35:55.420
marathons and everybody's pumped up at the beginning of the race. You know, you think,
00:36:00.460
oh my gosh, I've got so much energy. I've got 30,000 people out here. You know, you, the,
00:36:05.040
the excitement's palatable and a lot of people start off too fast. You know, they don't pace
00:36:09.320
themselves because they have that exhilaration from having a goal. But the problem is what's going
00:36:14.420
to keep you going when you hit, you know, mile number 10 or mile number 11. And that's where
00:36:19.720
you have to identify your why. I think if you can do that on the front end and get crystal clear
00:36:25.020
on why you want to accomplish this, that's important. You also want to make sure that
00:36:30.520
it's something that's internally motivating you. Like I said a few moments ago and not something
00:36:35.200
external. This is not something that merely, you know, my spouse wants or my boss wants or society
00:36:40.800
expects, but this is something I really want. If I'm honest with myself, I look in the mirror
00:36:45.920
and I say, you know, why is it that I'm motivated to achieve this? That's what you got to get to.
00:36:52.020
And I find that if you can write those down and identify at least three and rank them in priority
00:36:58.100
order, you know, like what's the most motivating, what's the second most motivating, what's the
00:37:01.700
third most motivating. That's a list that you can pull out from time to time when you want to quit
00:37:07.340
or when you're tempted to quit, pull it out and say, oh yeah, that's why I wanted to do that.
00:37:11.880
That's what this is going to make possible if I achieve this goal. So kind of back to,
00:37:16.640
you know, book writing. One of my first books was my book platform, get noticed in a noisy world.
00:37:22.720
And so I had just left the big corporate world and was starting this new business,
00:37:26.880
this new career as a speaker and a author and a business coach. And so, you know, writing a book
00:37:31.960
is hard and there are many times when you want to quit. And I can remember in that specific book,
00:37:37.960
I got, I was like a week away from the deadline and I'm reading back through the manuscript and
00:37:42.180
I'm thinking to myself, this just is not very good. I don't, I, this needs a lot more work.
00:37:47.660
And I started to kind of panic and then I reminded myself why I needed to stay with my nose to the
00:37:52.860
grindstone and finish out the project. And I said, you know, one of the things that I'd written down
00:37:57.280
back when I'd identified that goal is I said, you know, if I can publish this and it could be a
00:38:02.420
success, this is going to produce the, or this is going to serve to be the groundwork
00:38:06.700
of my whole future of my whole business. So if I can get this done, right, then this is going to
00:38:12.400
make so much that I want to accomplish, whether it's speaking or coaching or whatever, it's going
00:38:16.900
to make it so much easier if I've credentialed myself with this book. So that got me through
00:38:22.200
that very messy middle, what I wanted to quit, wanted to bail on the goal, but I was able to go,
00:38:26.960
go through with it because I pulled out that list and looked at all the reasons why it was important.
00:38:31.500
Another tactic that I found really useful to keep yourself motivated when you're working on your goals
00:38:35.420
is you got this from a guy named Dan Sullivan. It's a, whenever you're feeling down and dejected
00:38:40.480
about your, the progress you're making on your goals, it says, you said to measure the gains,
00:38:44.260
not the gap. What does that mean? Yeah. Dan's got this great concept and, and he's my coach,
00:38:51.240
but he says, measure the gain, not the gap. So what that means is that let's just say you get to the
00:38:57.520
end of December or let's actually, let's say we get to July, you got a goal to lose 20 pounds.
00:39:02.680
You've lost 13. Okay. So now you got a choice. You can either focus on what you've gained. You can
00:39:08.860
say, Holy smoke, I've lost 13 pounds since the beginning of the year, or you can focus on the
00:39:15.660
gap and you can say, gosh, I'm still seven pounds away from my goal. Well, if you focus on the gain,
00:39:22.580
that's going to fill you with confidence and a sense of possibility about the future. It's going to
00:39:27.060
re-energize you to keep in the race and keep going. If you focus on the gap, that's where you get
00:39:32.540
overwhelmed and want to quit. So Dan says, always focus on the gain, not the gap.
00:39:39.720
What about groups? How can other people help you stay motivated throughout the year?
00:39:44.140
Well, you know, life is, is better lived when we do it as a journey with other people.
00:39:49.660
And I found accountability groups and not even accountability groups, but just people that
00:39:54.360
share similar interests, similar goals are, can be a huge motivation for one another.
00:39:59.860
These are the people that you can brainstorm when you get stuck. You can get feedback to
00:40:04.800
your goal. Initially, you can get encouragement when you want to quit. And frankly, these are
00:40:09.300
people that can kick your butt when you're slacking off. So it's got, you got to be very
00:40:14.020
careful about the peer group that you choose for this, but the right group can make all the
00:40:18.260
difference. And I experienced this when I was running, you know, my first several half
00:40:21.700
marathons. I tried to do it kind of Lone Ranger style and it was hard. And once I joined a group
00:40:27.680
and I knew the group was counting on me to show up and I was counting on them to show up,
00:40:32.000
it made it so much easier. And then when we were out there running, it also made it easier because
00:40:35.760
I wasn't just doing it on my own alone with my thoughts. I was having conversations with people
00:40:40.140
that were pursuing the same goal and it was inspiring.
00:40:43.120
Something you talk about some research that I've read before is you don't want to tell your goals to
00:40:48.540
people because you're less likely to fulfill them. Because basically when you tell someone the goal,
00:40:53.660
you get the satisfaction of like that you accomplished the goal because people are like,
00:40:56.720
oh, wow, it's a great goal to have. And you feel good and it causes you to not work on it.
00:41:00.680
But then you dug deeper into this and it's not completely the whole picture. How can you tell
00:41:06.320
people your goals so you're held accountable, but in a way it doesn't decrease motivation,
00:41:10.780
actually get started on it? Yeah. So the two extremes are that, you know, I'm going to announce
00:41:15.980
to the world that I'm going to achieve this thing. And what the research says that if you do that,
00:41:20.240
your brain actually thinks it's accomplished it. And so then you just kind of take your foot off
00:41:24.260
the pedal and you don't pursue it. On the other hand, the other extreme is I'm not going to tell
00:41:28.320
anybody. And so that's kind of the lone, lone ranger approach where it's just you and your goal.
00:41:33.060
And what the latest research shows is that, that there's a middle ground and that is you want to
00:41:37.540
selectively share your goals with that peer group. And again, a small group, you know,
00:41:43.660
not 30 people, not 50 people. I'm talking two, three people that, that, you know,
00:41:49.240
are going to be an encouragement to you. They're not people that are going to tell you that,
00:41:52.840
you know, you can't achieve that, achieve that goal, but people that are going to encourage you
00:41:56.880
on when you want to quit, that's a group you want to share it with. And that's perfectly,
00:42:01.020
perfectly fine. All right. So be, be picky with who you share your goals with.
00:42:04.380
Be picky. All right. So the final process in your best year ever process is just getting started,
00:42:10.340
taking action. That that's for a lot of people. That's the thing that holds them back.
00:42:13.580
They make the goals in the new year, but they actually don't do anything to get going on it.
00:42:17.360
How do you overcome that inertia after you've set your goals?
00:42:21.900
Well, the simple thing is just start. And I'll tell you how not to do that.
00:42:26.160
One things that people sometimes do is that they over plan. You know, they want to identify
00:42:30.540
every single step to get from where they are to achieve that goal. Now that may be important if
00:42:36.620
it's going to demand a huge number of resources. Like right now we're about to do a renovation to a,
00:42:41.840
to a house that we own. And so we're getting a very detailed fixed bid step-by-step from the
00:42:46.980
contractor because we want to know what we're signing up for. And we want to make sure that,
00:42:51.400
you know, we have the resources to cover it. But for most of us with our goals, that's just kind of
00:42:56.340
a fast fancy way to procrastinate. Right? So we, we decide we're just going to have all these steps
00:43:01.780
and we get the project just right. And just perfect. We do a little bit more research than we'll
00:43:06.240
start. But here's the problem. If you've got a goal that's set in your discomfort zone,
00:43:11.500
you're not going to clearly understand what's required until you get into the process and you
00:43:17.400
just got to start. So I, I even have an acronym for start, you know, schedule the action required
00:43:24.200
today. Schedule the action required today. That's how you start. What do I need to do first? Forget
00:43:29.400
about step two, forget about step three, you know, but focus on where do you need to start first in
00:43:36.000
order to get in motion and begin to build momentum. And one of the ways you can build momentum you
00:43:41.160
talk about is do the easy stuff first. And that's kind of counterintuitive. Oftentimes in the self
00:43:45.840
development world, you hear like eat the frog. So like do the hard thing first, but you say, no,
00:43:49.860
actually do the easy things first. Yeah. So let me give you a practical example that everybody can
00:43:54.980
relate to, you know, if you go to the gym, if you walked into the gym, walked right over to a bench
00:44:01.620
and picked up bigger weight than you've ever lifted before, because remember this is going to be in your
00:44:05.940
discomfort zone and you just decide to lift that without warming up. That's a good recipe for an
00:44:10.840
injury. Well, the same is true in life. You don't want to tackle something without warming up and without
00:44:17.180
moving up. And so here would be another example in, I've used book writing a lot, but there's a lot of
00:44:22.220
people want to write a book, but you know, if I said to myself, okay, I'm going to write, I've never
00:44:26.300
read a book before, but I'm going to write the chapter that I think is going to be the most
00:44:29.640
difficult because if I can eat that frog first, then everything else is going to be easier. Here's the
00:44:34.760
problem. You're going into it with no momentum. You're going into it with no sense of success. And you're
00:44:41.620
trying to write this hard chapter without the momentum and it's almost impossible. And you quit
00:44:47.740
before you start. Instead, what would be the easiest thing to write? Like, I'm going to tell
00:44:52.420
you, this is like stupid, simple, but here's how I start writing every book. First thing I do is I say,
00:44:57.760
okay, today, you know, let's just assume I've got a book proposal. I've got an outline, so I know where
00:45:01.600
I'm going. And I say, okay, I'm just, today I'm just going to write the dedication next day. Okay.
00:45:08.900
I'm going to write an annotated table of contents. So just a little descriptive copy on, on each item in my
00:45:15.040
table of contents. Next day, you know, I feel really good about chapter three. I've done a lot
00:45:20.140
of research. You know, I've got some stories for that. So I'm going to start on that one. That's
00:45:23.640
the easiest one. So I did this with my book, Living Forward, which is all about developing a life plan.
00:45:29.100
And I was in Colorado for 30 days up in the mountains with my wife in a cabin. And my goal
00:45:34.840
was to write this book. So I did exactly what I'm saying. I started with the easiest thing first.
00:45:37.960
So I finally got to this big, hairy, gnarly chapter on day 30. So we were supposed to fly
00:45:45.100
out the next morning. And I had this one chapter that what I'd been putting off, the one that I
00:45:50.320
knew was going to be the most difficult to write. But guess what? That was the, I had all this momentum.
00:45:55.180
I'd written like, I don't know, 10 chapters. This was the last one that I had to write to finish the
00:46:00.440
book. And then I could go home and say it was behind me. I was extremely motivated, extremely confident.
00:46:06.140
And I said to myself that morning, as I began to work on that chapter, I've got this.
00:46:10.820
So that's the difference. Start with the easier stuff and give yourself a sense of momentum.
00:46:16.040
Yeah, I've done that. I've noticed I've done that with my writing and just even other projects that
00:46:19.700
I've done. I always do the easy stuff first to get that momentum. But the other thing I've learned
00:46:23.720
whenever I start with easy stuff is I start figuring out the hard stuff in the process,
00:46:28.520
right? Like when you start writing the easy stuff, you start, I don't know what's going on,
00:46:33.000
but like, by the time I get to that hard stuff, I kind of have it figured out by then because I've
00:46:37.200
sort of sorted stuff out with the easy stuff. I don't, does that make sense?
00:46:40.940
Yeah, totally. And I mean, you know, book writing would be a good example. You, you know,
00:46:44.340
you're going to become a better writer in the process of writing a book. You're the last stuff
00:46:47.740
you write is going to be better than the first stuff you wrote because you just got some, you know,
00:46:53.380
You also talked about another thing to do to help you get started. You have these things called
00:46:57.340
Yeah. An example of that is, you know, is there something where I could kind of stack
00:47:02.600
the habit on top of something else that I I'm going to be doing anyway, that's a normal habit.
00:47:07.640
So an example, if I'm wanting to run, if I've decided this next year that I want to develop a
00:47:12.840
running habit, or if I want to run in a race of some sort, but I find myself getting up in the
00:47:17.880
morning, kind of groggy. It's a little bit too cold out. It's 23, by the way, when I got up this
00:47:21.280
morning here in Nashville, Tennessee, and I think, Oh, you know, the, the weather's bad. I'm just going to
00:47:25.660
wait. But if you do an activation trigger, what that might look like is you make it as easy as
00:47:30.420
possible to get into the pursuit of that goal. So setting my running clothes out the night before
00:47:36.500
so that when I walk into the bathroom, boom, there they are. It just makes it that much easier to
00:47:43.340
Nice. All right. So we've, we've set our goals. We're working on them. Do you have a review process
00:47:47.060
that you use throughout the year to stay on track with your goals?
00:47:50.420
Yeah. One of the things that I want to review my annual goals, I'm going to review those
00:47:55.340
every day, just scan them every day for the first 30 days and make sure that I'm aware of them,
00:48:00.180
that I'm going to focus on the goals for that quarter, but I've got to get connected to those
00:48:04.160
every day. And partly because that's, what's going to inform my task list. In other words,
00:48:09.520
when I'm trying to think of what I need to get done today, one of the things I want to consider
00:48:12.920
is what could I do today that would move me toward the completion of a goal that I have for this
00:48:17.800
quarter. This takes like literally 30 seconds, no more than 60 seconds, but you got to maintain
00:48:23.100
visibility. And too often people set a goal or resolution that's not written down. Or even if
00:48:28.360
they set a goal, they put it on a document on their hard drive or they write it in a journal
00:48:32.860
somewhere and then they lose visibility. And the loss of visibility is one of the biggest reasons
00:48:37.760
people don't complete goals. They're just not reminding themselves of what it is that they set
00:48:43.340
Okay. So review your process, constantly keep them top of mind. Well, Michael, this has been a great
00:48:47.580
conversation. Is there any place people can go to learn more about the book and the program,
00:48:51.460
the course? Yeah. The best place to go is bestyearever.me. Bestyearever.me. You can get
00:48:59.040
the book on Amazon or wherever better books are sold, as they say, but I really do recommend the
00:49:04.740
course. The course goes deeper. It has a lot of exercises and it gives you a group to do it with,
00:49:10.500
but that'll be launching soon. And again, it's at bestyearever.me.
00:49:14.880
Michael Hyatt, thanks for your time. It's been a pleasure.
00:49:18.540
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00:49:22.640
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00:49:25.960
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00:49:38.900
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