The Prudentialist joins me to discuss a new article from Wired Magazine that pushes the idea that biological children should not be allowed in the modern world because they are "immorally immoral." We also discuss why the left is so obsessed with dispensing with the family, and why we should be too.
00:05:22.400So, yeah, as I've said many times before on this show or and I'm not surprised when the left wants to go after things that are things we take for granted.
00:06:29.340It's an important thing that people do.
00:06:32.320But of course, it's not always the norm.
00:06:34.820It's not and it's never going to be the norm by definition.
00:06:37.220Adoption, it's something that a lot of people who don't have the option to have children or have different things in their lives pop up, they end up going that route.
00:06:46.860But I think the thing that we need to focus on at the beginning is that when the left brings up things like this, they don't actually care about it.
00:06:52.520As you already pointed out, the left isn't always really big fans of adoption.
00:06:57.160In fact, a lot of times they treat it as something that is nefarious.
00:07:01.580I don't think in general the left wants people to have families.
00:07:05.920And I think that this question is disingenuous.
00:07:08.400It's just a wedge to create a different conversation.
00:07:11.780And we can tell because, you know, the author highlights how their question was, in fact, the odd thing.
00:07:18.180But they were happy to see it create this moment of doubt in someone that they're pretending they care about, someone they call a friend.
00:07:27.820And I mean, to them, I mean, we're going to see it in this article and we've seen it before that, you know, that they'll come up with some moral justification that they don't believe in, but they know that you believe in it.
00:07:46.960And so to target it at the most core root level, the natural human, you know, the bonds and creation from God that we have to love our own children and to have priority over them and our family and that we would do anything for them.
00:08:02.180Well, to them, they know that that's sacred and they have to attack it.
00:08:18.640It's literally that's just what the word child meant.
00:08:22.000It was the default because it was a natural law.
00:08:25.600A child's biological provenance was believed to ground the parent-child relationship in a hardwired irrevocable bond.
00:08:37.860If anything, it was morally preferable that your child would be directly related to you since this was thought to provide a healthy foundation for growth and self-actualization.
00:08:47.820So, again, yeah, like these are just, again, the things that would be natural that would occur normally.
00:08:53.120You really need a larger level of kind of social creation in order to have any other arrangement when it comes to parents and child.
00:09:28.640The thing you should always watch out, guys, for, the bioethicist.
00:09:32.520Again, bioethicists are the least ethical people in the world.
00:09:36.880They are the least moral people in the world.
00:09:39.700Anytime you see someone with the title bioethicists, like keep them away from your children, keep them away from your neighborhood, run them out of town, don't let them move it.
00:09:49.780Like bioethicists is just a title that should be seen as one of the – it's right up there with journalists and used car salesmen as things that should warn you about the character of somebody.
00:10:03.560Bioethicist David Vellman expresses this line of argument when he writes that knowledge of one's biological parents is a basic good on which people rely in pursuit of self-knowledge and identity formation.
00:11:00.500The only reason we're going to acknowledge you here for a moment is to notice that it's newspeak and then move on.
00:11:07.860Previously, if you gave birth to a child, it was a simple certainty that they were genetically related to you.
00:11:14.720The biological fact was inextricably linked to their existence.
00:11:19.520Over the past few decades, however, practices like gestational surrogacy have shown that this need not be the case.
00:11:28.420Evolving family structures, advances in fertilization and embryonic screening technologies, and changing moral sentiments have contributed to a growing revelation of this deceptively simple preference.
00:11:39.780So there was nothing deceptively simple, nor was it a preference, right?
00:11:45.400This was just something that was inherently true.
00:11:48.140And they're hoping that by like creating some form of technology, they can completely deroot this truth from human nature.
00:11:55.720But that doesn't go away simply because we've developed something that fundamentally alters the way that humans did and should be created and be related to each other.
00:12:05.840A growing revaluation of deceptively simple preference, deceptively simple preference, the same biological urge and necessity mankind has had since Adam and Eve were, you know, shacked up.
00:12:17.980Let's go ahead and change thousands of years of tradition norms and whatnot.
00:12:22.360I mean, this is a big reason why when children like you have to break it to them softly if they are adopted, because if they do not know, you are shattering their entire worldview.
00:12:32.140It's the same thing when you have surrogacy, which already brings in a whole other person in to have the host of the children, who is the person who's going to experience those maternal pangs because that was inside of them for nine months.
00:12:43.660Like there are social consequences to these additional, you know, technological innovations we have to fertility.
00:12:50.000Some of them, yes, can overcome great things.
00:12:52.140Other times you're creating social problems that are now get turned into wedge issues to deconstruct and to eliminate the most basic and precious thing that we have, which is the ability to create life.
00:13:03.060Exactly. And, you know, they're counting on this again.
00:13:07.000This is a preferable situation for them because it destroys natural authority.
00:13:14.160And, you know, there are all are these situations in which people will have children.
00:13:19.080They will, you know, take on the authority of the parental role in lieu of other situations.
00:13:25.260That's always been true to some extent.
00:13:27.120And that might be more true now than ever.
00:13:30.080However, the fundamental relationship is grounded.
00:13:34.640The authority of that relationship is grounded in that biological essential biological connection.
00:13:40.480Even if that's not true across all of these experiences, it is the thing that creates the natural order on which people are kind of resting.
00:13:55.620It doesn't need to be exploited by cynical people who are looking to destroy any barrier to their own power, any desire for them to use the state to wedge families apart.
00:14:05.620But it's very clear that that is what's happening here.
00:14:12.180Once we begin to disentangle what is truly possible from what we simply assumed was necessary, we are forced to look at this natural preference with fresh eyes.
00:14:23.200So there is unfortunately something that does need to be acknowledged even by, I think, those who would oppose what's happening here.
00:14:29.920When these technological advancements occur, people will always look to use them in this manner, right?
00:14:37.380And this is something that people who see themselves as conservative or reactionary need to acknowledge about the nature of technology.
00:14:43.460You cannot avoid these questions once this technology is created and it's available, which is why people might need to be more intentional about how technology is created or how it's allowed to be used.
00:14:57.020Or if we're not intentional about how that's happening, we need to at least, as people who might oppose different aspects of how that's going to be exploited,
00:15:04.920we need to be prepared with arguments, safety measures, and, you know, kind of a mental, spiritual, and political awareness about how that's going to be deployed once that technology exists.
00:15:18.640And you look at this and it's certainly a differentiation from the usual progressive safetyism, that sort of Rawlsian idea that, like, if we make sure that, like, the world is safe, we can reduce risk, which goes back to John Stuart Mill.
00:15:31.660Well, you know, all of a sudden, right, like, this leads us to talking about things like this, that, well, actually, you know, the ultimate safety is to ensure that, like, people don't get left out and that the family must be destroyed and that we don't prefer biological, you know, children over our own.
00:15:45.740And in doing so, like, we're only creating these, like, they call it a vestigial remnant of a different epoch, wherein how is it vestigial of every human society on Earth, not just Western society, prefers that.
00:15:58.260There are very few outside of maybe uncontacted tribes that have no preference for their own biological children and try their best to protect them.
00:16:06.640Like, that is something that sort of separates man from beast in that regard.
00:16:10.320And here, they're like, well, because we've accelerated technology or because we have these new technological innovations, which only really exist in, you know, primarily first world developed countries, we can throw out the family.
00:16:21.460And in turn, we're, you know, almost being as we're trying to just create this some kind of techno utopia, we're trying to create some kind of techno messianic materialism.
00:16:31.500And it's not working out because to root yourself from what is made you a society throughout thousands of years, you're not saving yourself from anything, if anything, you're deliberately destroying it.
00:16:41.660But that's me giving way too much credit to these people, because they do want to destroy the family, they do want to ensure that you don't have children that are your own.
00:16:47.960And if you have children, well, then by God, they're going to try their best to transit.
00:16:52.220And I want to point out that we once again have this very convenient kind of look at biological determinism, right?
00:17:00.940So born this way, you know, you can't help what you're choosing.
00:17:05.180You know, you have a biological drive to be drawn to specific people, you know, when it comes to your sexuality.
00:17:11.780They're even trying to move this now, of course, to child predation.
00:17:15.000You already see this move on the left, of course, and advancing this argument that, well, people who have this biological, biologically determined thing, they have to, you have to be sympathetic towards them.
00:17:26.840Of course, they do this with addiction and all other things.
00:17:29.720However, it turns out biological determinism doesn't exist yet, right?
00:18:04.060What we find is that when contextualized amongst other modern ethical norms.
00:18:09.820Oh, man, that that phrase is doing all kinds of terrible work.
00:18:13.380This preference can feel downright ancient.
00:18:16.440Again, assuming that that would be bad.
00:18:18.640A vestigial remnant of different epoch.
00:18:21.000Yeah, you already referenced this here.
00:18:23.520A fossil no longer animated by the same moral intuitions that gave it gravity in the past.
00:18:29.060In fact, many of the arguments that might have been made in favor of this prejudice run precisely counter to other changing attitudes towards parenting family and the role of biology and culture.
00:18:40.820So, again, we see the fact that this is something that can just be discarded at a whim.
00:18:46.440We've already unspooled basically everything else around this aspect of family, the authority of the parent, the connection between mother and child, father and child, the sanctity and protection of all of those connections.
00:19:02.100We've already dismantled everything around that.
00:19:04.780And so now that we manage to dismantle all of those things, now we can come for the core of it.
00:19:09.320Now we can get down to even the nuts and bolts, the facts.
00:19:11.900This is the same thing, again, that happened with gender and sex, right?
00:19:17.040Is we can destroy all of these things around the idea of gender roles, the idea of societal roles, the truth of the difference between men and women.
00:20:13.280I think that's sort of the key thing to realize is that they can't seem to put two and two together.
00:20:17.940Or more importantly, I think it's more of the fact that they don't want to put two and two together.
00:20:21.920Because there's a sort of a sunk cost fallacy when it comes to sort of these ideologies.
00:20:26.480And it's that we've already witnessed the argumentation about biological determinism or essentialism or even acknowledging that there are certainly biological differences between people.
00:20:35.780We saw this when it came to women in the transgender movement, you know, women that were probably all for the liberation of the idea of womanhood or what it means to be a female and have that identity be liberated from its core biological root.
00:20:48.360And now all of a sudden they realize, like, hey, why do all of these trans people hate women?
00:20:53.260That's sort of the same issue that they have there.
00:20:55.520And we already witnessed that where they'll call them, you know, trans exclusionary or whatever, because they acknowledge basic biological realities of what makes a woman a woman.
00:21:04.000And in that respect, we're seeing it go to its next logical conclusion.
00:21:07.660Well, if we can already separate the biological aspect of what defines male and female, well, then great.
00:21:13.360The next thing that comes from that is the aspect of family and identity.
00:21:17.780And when they talk about these technologies, you know, they're already trying to push the advancement of of womb transplants and things like that in the West.
00:21:25.300And then you get the most insane people, delusional, radical people that will tell you, yeah, I want to have a womb transplants plan so I can abort something like that's the level of what we're dealing with here behind all these kinds of articles is that regardless of what this person actually thinks, it doesn't matter because it will enable the kind of radicalization and utter depraved destruction of family and civilization and the good, because the people that want to benefit from this the most are people that shouldn't be near an elementary school.
00:21:53.860Well, and this is always how every totalitarian regime wants to do this, right?
00:21:59.000Like we can go all the way back to to, you know, Plato's Republic and the need to take children from their parents, right?
00:22:05.600If you want to have if you want to create the utopian structure, if you want to mold society from the ground up, you have to destroy the most fundamental bond.
00:22:16.200They've been trying to do it for many years, for many decades.
00:22:19.860The most notable one recently, like you said, has been the desire to, like, push trans rights into the family, into children so that they can use civil rights law to destroy families, to destroy the parents' authority over the child and how they're going to grow up.
00:22:35.900But now they're just going to go the next logical step, which is which is pure to the biological root of the whole thing.
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00:23:13.420At the heart of biologicalism, again, our new speak term here, is the question of whether it's permissible to consider a child's genetics when deciding to become a parent.
00:23:23.680Again, an interesting point that all of these things are, it's the destruction of every non-chosen bond, right?
00:23:33.260Every bond at every moment is chosen, which means every bond at every moment can be broken.
00:23:39.360The key is the destruction of all bonds not created by the government.
00:23:44.540And so something that was never a question, never a decision, becomes a question.
00:23:50.080And whenever there's a disagreement, there's an opportunity for the government to rule.
00:23:55.660Our improving ability to genetically screen embryos and continued development of assisted reproduction technologies has enabled prospective parents to assess potential embryos for hundreds of traits.
00:24:09.100And forced us to revisit a wariness around biological consideration in reproductive decisions caused by the horrors of state-sponsored eugenics.
00:24:17.200Through many of the genetic conditions being screened for are fatal, they begin to expand the net to encompass features like deafness and dwarfness.
00:24:24.520And despite skepticism and the possibility of eventually testing for traits like IQ and height, the desire is certainly there.
00:24:30.980All of this has given a sense of urgency to the thorny issues regarding how and to what extent biology should play into decisions to have children.
00:24:41.380It is clear that these considerations will play some role in the future.
00:24:44.460So to be really clear, all of these things will be selected for if the technology exists, right?
00:24:50.120We already have seen how sex-selective abortions were used in places like China with the one policy rule to eliminate a generation of women, right?
00:25:00.560Just massacred a generation of women that don't exist, a couple generations of women that don't exist, which is creating a demographic crisis of sorts in China due to this.
00:25:13.300So just because the technology exists, it will be chosen this way.
00:25:17.120Again, that's why you have to be careful.
00:25:19.100That's why you have to think about and be intentional about the way that this stuff is implemented because it will happen.
00:25:25.280So even these leftists who are pretending like, oh, we're worried about the idea of eugenics.
00:25:28.860No, simply by creating this technology and using it as your own argument to disassociate biological connection between parents and children, you're using it for your own purposes, but it will be used this way.
00:25:43.180If not in the United States, other places, it's going to happen.
00:25:46.560It's not a question of if, it's only a question of when.
00:25:48.420Yeah, I notice how when it comes to biological aspects of human life, it's always in that sort of Schrodinger's cat thing with the left.
00:25:56.940It's only useful as a cudgel for them.
00:25:58.580But if you point out uncomfortable aspects of society, whether you're Murray talking about the bell curve as that was, you know, 30 years ago, or someone like Steve Saylor, like you're going to get in trouble for pointing out, you know, the obvious counterpoint to whatever leftist nonsense and dribble gets put out there.
00:26:13.880But then all of a sudden they shriek back and they'll tell you that that's not real or it's a social construct.
00:26:18.280It's an aspect of like colonial race science and we can't use it.
00:26:21.820But for them, it's always like, no, these things are very real and we're very concerned about it happening and the net will just keep expanding.
00:26:27.940It's that safetyism because they don't want you to point out the obvious.
00:26:31.300They don't want you to acknowledge that actually, no, there are some very key things that aren't being addressed here because their new speak doesn't allow you to talk about things like intelligence or height or weight, muscles, differences.
00:26:44.780No, we have to make sure that our our form of technological utopia can be achieved.
00:26:50.540And that means that we can't have you naughty racists around.
00:26:53.860Yeah, biological heredity, it turns out, is only only exists for the convenience of making the argument to destroy the family.
00:27:00.560It immediately disappears for all of their for all other aspects of it.
00:27:04.140What an amazing piece of science biological heredity happens to be.
00:27:09.940That's a very but but so many pieces of science have that amazing ability for the left.
00:27:43.000There was never actually any general understanding of this.
00:27:46.060They're just speaking their own intentions, their own preferences into being and giving it the idea that it's already a consensus that formed out in the ether somewhere.
00:27:56.220Namely, we have converged on the idea that that if biology is to be a factor at all, it should only be considered insofar as it prevents harm and suffering.
00:28:05.600Man, I've got I'm pretty sure they've got some ideas about biological harm and suffering that might not be too popular.
00:28:14.760As Laura Hersher puts it at the MIT Technological Review, public opinion on the use of assisted reproductive technology consistently draws a distinction between preventing disease and picking rates.
00:28:27.060That is like I bet you that's going to disappear as soon as they figure out how to remove things like, I don't know, male aggression.
00:28:32.860Studies like one conducted by John Hopkins Genetics and Public Policy Center seems to indicate seems one study seems to indicate.
00:28:42.980Well, that's scientific and conclusive that this intuition is broadly shared.
00:29:00.220Yeah, no, I mean, like this seems to indicate that this intuition is broadly shared.
00:29:05.200Yeah, people don't get really uneasy when it comes to like the social condition.
00:29:11.100If you'll get really uneasy about like being quote unquote eugenicists, whereas, you know, broadly preventing disease into making sure that my kid isn't born with like Tay-Sachs disease or something, you know, all those really nasty rare genetic conditions, totally fine.
00:29:25.280But, you know, I like this last sentence that's on that last paragraph, you know, as we begin to veer into the gnarled territory of gene fetishes and optimization logics trodden by the only person here who's got fetishes is probably going to be the people asking, like, can my kid be born trans or whatever?
00:29:41.660Like, it's not like, you know, I'm going to see a bunch of progressive families trying to get into MIT and being like, listen, we really want our baby to be a six foot three blonde Nordic blue eyed Chad.
00:29:52.080Like, that's not what's going to happen, because in today's society, it's like, actually, we need you to be the specific color of beige so he can get into all the schools thanks to diversity requirements.
00:30:15.540So if we accept this argument, then the relevant question becomes whether a child's genetic providence, their biological resemblance to their parents, prevents suffering.
00:30:26.160We can quickly begin to sense the difficulty in justifying that it does.
00:30:31.920It's unclear that the what sort of negative outcome is being avoided by opting for a genetically related child.
00:30:38.960This biological fact appears largely irrelevant to their well-being, especially when compared to to those features, all the diseases you just mentioned, that we do seem permissible for consideration.
00:30:51.620While against the scale, prioritizing relatedness appears far closer, selecting for an arbitrary feature like height and selecting against a deadly degenerative neural disease.
00:31:28.500And we watch how the wedge is used at each step to pry apart kind of what they try to create and make this a social construct, nothing of value.
00:31:38.960Here we can see the very clear attempt to say, ooh, you don't want your kid to look like you, right?
00:31:44.440Even though like the most common parental experience of all time is being like, oh, look, he's got your eyes and her hair and his freckles and that nose.
00:31:53.740Like that is one of the most core experiences, the most natural experience of any parent, of any human recognizing the attitudes, the things that you transfer to your child.
00:32:06.100That is the fact that having a child gives you the sense of perpetuity, the continuity of being, the great chain of being that passes from one generation into the next.
00:32:17.240Like all those things are incredibly normal, natural, desirable things.
00:32:21.340They're the things that create family bonds.
00:32:23.560But family bonds are the thing they want to destroy.
00:32:26.300And so the best way to destroy that is to slowly but surely suggest at the edges, at the beginning, that this is all about racism.
00:32:35.320And this is where it starts in earnest.
00:32:37.840Like you want your kid to look like you?
00:32:44.160That probably makes you sinister in some way.
00:32:47.220Yeah, I mean, like this is where I all articles like this tend to go is it's like, look, buddy, you know, you don't want your kid to look like you, you know, whether it's to progress like the writer's own fantasy or their own fetishes.
00:33:02.140Like, it's just an example in which, like, no, the heart, home and hearth are things that are bad.
00:33:09.220It's sort of a strange thing where, you know, the left in the United States and really in the Western world lives under this like specter.
00:33:19.000There's this hauntology of fascism, this hauntology of white supremacy, this haunt.
00:33:23.480You're haunted by Hitler in this respect.
00:33:25.660And I mean, Curtis Yarvin's written about this and called Killing the Ghosts.
00:33:28.460But, you know, it really does say that, like, actually, you know, that whole blood and soil thing, you know, we don't want that to ever exist again.
00:33:35.240We don't want you to have any relationship to your children.
00:33:38.440And it's not about adoption at this point.
00:33:40.420It's about your destruction on a genetic level.
00:33:44.000Quite, quite literally, they're making that pretty explicit here.
00:33:46.820So proponents of biological, our new speak, might argue that these ties do, in fact, produce a significant relationship between parent and child that proves critical to their happiness.
00:34:28.000It might be the thickest concept ever created about mankind.
00:34:32.500It might be the most self-evident observation, the most, you know, endurable across all cultures, across all peoples, across all religions.
00:34:43.380It might be the most enduring fact of human existence ever created.
00:34:48.120But it turns out research and experts find that it might be thin.
00:34:54.160But rather, as research on adoptees has indicated, this form of self-actualization doesn't stem from genetic relatedness or gestational history, but rather from the parents' testament or treatment of their children.
00:35:09.500Though family resemblance can certainly help children develop a sense of self, the ethicist, Tina Rulli, reminds us that this can just as easily be realized through the kind of resemblance that adopted children bear to their adoptive families.
00:35:25.420Additionally, Rulli really notes, it's not as if gestational bonds is the be-all-end-all of motherhood-child bonds.
00:35:32.160Mother-child attachment is in infant adoption occurs readily, and there is no difference in quality of attachment.
00:35:39.140Neither self-development nor fulfilling parent bonds appears to necessitate relatedness.
00:35:48.760Again, all of this is just ridiculous.
00:35:55.420And there are many people who are incredibly close to their adopted parents.
00:35:59.140Adopted parents, however, do, as the Prudentialists already noted, have to work extra hard to mold that person, to grant them identity.
00:36:07.260They have to be very careful about the revelation of that information, to instill the same level of love.
00:36:13.360The first thing that many adopted children feel is abandonment once they find out because they think that the parents who actually fathered or mothered them did not care for them.
00:36:23.400And so that fact has to be addressed by the adoptive parents.
00:36:26.500Now, thank God that many people are able to still feel those bonds, right?
00:36:32.120But the idea that this is all just relative is insane.
00:36:36.600The very fact that a mother does carry their child has and does, let's be clear, risk their life, right?
00:36:44.320For men, you know, the battlefield was the most dangerous place throughout most of history.
00:36:49.860And for women, the birthing bed was the most dangerous place for women throughout history.
00:36:54.640You know, childbirth was often the cause of death.
00:36:57.740And so that sacrifice that women put themselves through to carry a child to term was a deeply significant thing, right?
00:37:05.620It was not something that was lost on the child when they realized how often that act could end fatally for the mother.
00:37:13.640And so this fact is in is just inseparable from the value they feel in attachment to and worth they feel from their parents.
00:37:24.960Yeah, I mean, that's really the big thing here is that.
00:37:29.020For a generation of progressives and I mean, like we're in a different I mean, there's always been sort of that antenatal bent in leftism.
00:37:38.000And I think especially now when you have quite a few millennials that are disproportionately childless, whether by design or by choice through social conditioning,
00:37:49.140and you've got individuals that have divorced themselves from home and have decided, really, I'll make my career my altar.
00:37:56.260This is really where I'm going to be in the future.
00:37:58.920You know, I can write things like this because I've never had a child that is my own.
00:38:04.360I have divorced myself completely from family.
00:38:07.600I, you know, I wonder if this author was adopted, you know, in that respect as well, because it raises the important question that like this isn't a new phenomenon for them about the destruction of the family is nothing new.
00:38:19.800And you talk about leftism or progressivism, all sorts of isms in the world.
00:38:23.580But to me, it does indicate that like this is sort of a key moment for the progressive project, because you have right now a cavalcade of people, these foot soldiers, these, you know, permanent managerial class types, these strivers that have sacrificed family identity of all kinds, not just family, race, etc.
00:38:43.780But all kinds of identity and including their ability to have children, to be part of this project, this sort of like, you know, kiliastic progressivism.
00:38:53.500And so they have to tell you time and time again that the things that are natural to you and I, the things that have been natural to the Western and all over, not just the Western world, but all of humanity, relatively speaking, that's wrong.
00:39:06.060That's weird. That's strange. And to do so, watch, see, and as you talked about it earlier, we kind of gave the ball away.
00:39:13.400But like, what does this all go back to? It goes back to white supremacy.
00:39:16.280It leads back to this rather fervent rhetorical position that like, well, you know, it doesn't matter what race you are.
00:39:22.500You don't want to be like those evil white supremacists, do you?
00:39:25.500I mean, we see this with school shooters, too. Like, you know, if the word white gets used, it's meant to indicate something bad.
00:39:30.700The idea that you want to have children that look like you or that you can say that is biologically my child.
00:39:36.360It's genetically related to me. I've continued the bloodline as far back as humanly possible.
00:39:40.880Well, you know, that makes you a Nazi. And that's where we're at.
00:39:44.160Like, this is the ghosts that we're being ruled by.
00:39:46.760And for them, that that the dead guy who's dead in a bunker in 45, that's their Satan.
00:39:52.580They changed out the devil for a dead guy. And this is where we're at.
00:39:56.080And it's amazing because, like you said, that this argument is it's amazing that it wields that level of power, that that scare tactic, that that boogeyman, that that haunting wields that level of power.
00:40:08.260Because, again, like you said, this is a human universal. If there's any human universal, this is it. Right.
00:40:13.480Like, like, like, like, like, you know, I'm not as huge a fan of universalism as many, many people.
00:40:19.700But if there's one universal human thing about human nature that that has to exist, this has to be it.
00:40:26.840And so the fact that they're trying to scare everybody, not not just, you know, people of European ancestry, but everybody away from this, the this biological connection to family and children with the threat of that you might be labeled an evil, you know, European, an evil white person.
00:40:43.800And that's terrifying that that it has that level of power that they think they can use as a cudgel, even on people who should have no connection to this, though, that might be their primary target.
00:40:52.600You know, it is a club that they're swinging at everybody.
00:40:56.400And the fact that they think that this can be a powerful tool against people of all races is in itself an insane thing.
00:41:05.980Oh, sorry. Did you have more say there?
00:41:06.980No, I mean, really, the only thing just to add there is that we saw that a little bit in the 2020 election to, you know, the Rio Grande Valley in Texas had swung for Trump, which historically has always been this like Hispanic Mexican blue belt inside of Texas.
00:41:26.600You know, so like, again, for for the progressives, like white people, people of European ancestry, whatever they can call that or even passing, you know, you're there.
00:41:35.080But that's the enemy. That's the enemy camp that they want you to never associate with.
00:41:39.440Yeah, it's like Asians who want to get into college.
00:41:43.280It's it's the minute that you're you're joining any of the the groups on the other side, you suddenly use your lose your magical status and become one of the evil multiracial whites.
00:41:56.860All right. On the contrary, this biological desire reinforces norms that we are explicitly aiming to dismantle.
00:42:02.440Well, well, it's nice when they say it out loud.
00:42:31.740They are trying to create the ability of the state to wield power over every aspect of human life and separate all individuals from each other in any bond that is not chosen explicitly by the state for these individuals.
00:42:45.540And they just come out and say it right here.
00:42:47.980Sorry, but your desire to be biologically connected.
00:42:51.580We are explicitly aiming to dismantle it because it allows other things that we are explicitly dismantling.
00:42:59.840It places undue emphasis on genetic similarity as a criterion for ethical relationships.
00:43:04.680Running against our stated hopes to expand our nets of responsibility and care beyond borders of nations, ethnicities and cultures.
00:43:11.700Something to say here, guys, just to stop and be clear, as as Christians, we should treat other people with dignity.
00:43:26.340We should treat them with the love demanded by our faith.
00:43:31.620However, those that claim to love everyone in this sense.
00:44:30.840That's always where it was going to go.
00:44:33.040And that is the danger of this rhetoric.
00:44:35.160That's always where they wanted to go.
00:44:36.980It cloaks itself in the idea of trying to stop people from treating each other badly, depending on how they look.
00:44:44.400But it's always aimed at eventually just destroying the most basic natural bonds between something like a mother and their child or a father and their child.
00:44:55.080This idea that we're, oh, well, we have to get rid of biological relationships between families because if we don't do that, we can't universalize our love for people.
00:45:05.240That means that because you can't universalize it, that's never going to happen.
00:45:09.720They're just using it to wield power and destroy any care for each other.
00:45:14.400Yeah, it's been a rather wild turn of events in the last 150 years when considering, I think, of Charles Dickens' Bleak House, you know, that telescopic sympathy.
00:45:56.960I mean, this is the kind of millenarianism that, you know, almost every Christian doctrine goes against.
00:46:05.420So, like, this is not something that, you know, anyone should be on board with as a Christian.
00:46:09.960This isn't something that anyone should be on board with if you're a conservative or someone on the right.
00:46:13.840But for them, you know, it's no longer about looking abroad.
00:46:17.460You know, that telescopic sympathy has changed because you brought everyone over.
00:46:20.720And now we have to make sure that everyone is the same.
00:46:22.980And it's going to probably look a lot more like a multi-racial, multi-ethnic Harrison Bergeron than it will be anything else.
00:46:31.540Because to these people, you know, the adopted, and again, that's why I wondered if the author was adopted.
00:46:36.700Because, you know, if you've never had that experience of being loved by your own kin or, you know, being focused on by your own family or having that extended community where they care for you, then, yeah, you're going to want to rage and destroy it.
00:46:50.460And I think a lot of it does come down to a semblance of envy or an ordeal of civility that, oh, these people have a functioning society and they've made it work and they have a model to make it work and they prioritize themselves and they focus and they have this individualistic attitude about it.
00:47:05.100But for them, it must be destroyed because they never either had it or, B, they recognize that it works and it is a existential threat to their own progressive project.
00:47:30.400Everybody must be made a blank slate so that the regime can reprogram you, can destroy all of your normal ties, all of your natural ties, all of the natural hierarchy that would normally assert itself must be destroyed.
00:47:44.760If we're going to invert that hierarchy, if we're going to completely rewrite society and bend it to our utopian will.
00:47:51.120So, I mean, yeah, it normalizes things because they're already normal, right?
00:47:55.560It's just a naked hatred for natural law.
00:48:00.800It's for a similar reason that bioethicists, I knew we'd get a bioethicist we didn't like,
00:48:06.120Hain Hutut Mwang, okay, have pushed back against the desire for prioritizing racial sameness when selecting gametes for assisted reproduction.
00:48:17.000Arguing that this practice ultimately perpetuates a particular normative conception, a family that places undue emphasis on resemblance based on racial traits.
00:48:30.560Using things like biological similarities to ground a parent-child relationship deconstructs the notion that parents should love their children unconditionally, undermining what the scholar Rosalind McDougall calls the parental virtue of acceptance.
00:48:48.880So notice that once again, what we've got here is the classic like Gnostic move here.
00:48:57.400We're going to take this principle that is rooted in something that is real and biological, that you do have a duty to love your children.
00:49:05.160And we're going to completely remove it from its foundational core, the truth that birthed it.
00:49:13.180And we're going to say that you must believe this even if it's completely removed from that thing.
00:49:18.520So you must continue the desirable behavior, even if we've removed it from the thing that bound you to that duty in the first place.
00:49:25.920And so now the state has the ability to force you, right?
00:49:30.260This is basically what they're saying.
00:49:31.680We're going to force you to randomly select a child, right?
00:49:35.300It's not even going to be connected to you.
00:49:38.260And we're going to force you to love it no matter what, even though you have no natural connection to it, even though the thing that birthed the principle on which we're trying to call forth, call you forth, has been completely separated from that.
00:49:49.480We're going to kill God and then we're going to demand that you continue to be a Christian.
00:49:52.600We're going to kill biological parenthood, but we're going to demand you to be a loving parent.
00:49:57.560We're going to remove the organ and we're going to demand the function while creating men without chess.
00:50:07.500And they just keep finding kind of new ways to produce this, new ways to attack any remnant of this in society.
00:50:15.020Right. Yeah. And I like I mentioned earlier, you know, like you have to they want a society of cuckoo birds at this point, you know, like we're going to force you to raise something that's not yours.
00:50:26.120Sorry, you're going to have to put up with it. What are you going to do about it?
00:50:28.820All these sort of this shows you the power of narrative, but also really, I think, more importantly, the force of the gun, because, you know, say they got this right and you don't want this.
00:50:38.360Well, you know, you're going to meet all the sort of social policing incentives to obey in the same reason why we see the ways in which tyranny emerges, not just by gunpoint, but by coercion and by cancellation, deplatforming and debanking with people.
00:50:54.360From Nigel Farage, even people that you may not like or politically agree with, that just tends to be the case here.
00:51:00.220And so, you know, there's that force of both syringe and gun that says, actually, no, you're not going to have kids that look like you.
00:51:07.180Sorry, Whitey. Like that. That to me is what this person is just screaming for.
00:51:10.720And I I'm noticing again, you know, very clearly from the odious bioethicists, which if you ever see a bioethicist, it's the ethical thing to do to defenestrate them.
00:51:19.760Like this is the sort of society that you're you're going to have to put up with, whereas there is a ethnic agitation to say, actually, you know, resemblance and sameness, saying that he's got his mother's eyes.
00:51:31.640They find that evil and they don't want that for you and they don't want that for people that look like you.
00:51:36.260And they're making it very clear written out in this article, like I'm not being an extremist or anything.
00:51:41.860I'm just reading what these people are saying and drawing the logical conclusion of their thoughts.
00:51:45.540They literally you typed it out for you guys. There's there's no there's no need to do the conspiracy theory here.
00:51:50.940It's just they are in black and white. Moreover, the argument that this genetic tie has unique intrinsic value because of its natural steps into particular particularly dangerous territory.
00:52:01.500So, again, nature is dangerous, but nature is also a justification.
00:52:05.160Remember, guys, like if a desire is natural, then it's good if the left likes it.
00:52:10.980But if if a desire is something they don't like, then nature is dangerous.
00:52:14.460And of course, it's going to get us closer to, you guessed it, white supremacy.
00:52:18.160It's precisely this argument that has been used for decades to discredit same sex couples as unfit to be parents.
00:52:24.180So, again, we have to dismantle the idea of heterosexual parentage in order to to lift up the idea of homosexual parentage.
00:52:36.520Right. That's in order to raise up one, we must hold down the other.
00:52:40.060Again, always where this kind of stuff was going, it's the natural evolution of this stuff.
00:52:45.800You have to desacralize the normal, the natural, the biological if you're going to elevate that which is not.
00:52:54.300And so, you know, again, everything that the religious right said was going to happen in the 1990s was, if anything, a understatement of kind of what was going to come.
00:53:03.900How could we see this coming? Because it was obvious.
00:53:06.760Everybody was warned about it. They said, you know, a lot of people said it would never happen.
00:53:09.940They made fun of the people who told them that it that it would because those people are often in trailer parks, that kind of thing.
00:53:14.880But here we are with someone explicitly saying we have to get rid of biological parentage because we have to elevate same sex couples.
00:53:22.800An appeal to naturalism also easily leads into the what the bioethicist, man, these guys are everywhere, calls a patriarchal prejudice.
00:53:33.560The idea, of course, it's the patriarchy.
00:53:36.260You know, the idea that it's not only natural for mothers to serve as primary caretakers because of their biological gestational relationship with the child language around what is natural and unnatural should always be viewed with suspicion.
00:53:49.640Ethnographic research of the tribe in the Himalayas do not have a social category for biological fathers, for instance, shows us that a concept as fundamental to us as fatherhood is not inevitable product of human biology.
00:54:07.720So we found one tribe somewhere in the middle of the Himalayas that doesn't have exactly the same version of this as we do.
00:55:11.600But this is saying, no, we must re-engineer the entirety of society because you exist with your biological sameness and your communitarianism.
00:55:21.160And instead, you're going to be like these guys living far up in the mountains.
00:55:24.600And that's their, you know, and no one takes this seriously.
00:55:28.120I'm not taking it seriously because that justification is so thinly veneered that I just have to like scrape at it.
00:55:34.900And no, really, you know, if the mask comes off like they've already said, nah, they just don't want you to have kids that look like you.
00:55:41.000They don't want you to be like fathers.
00:55:42.320We want you to totally rewire your entire social, you know, sociological, biological, and political upbringing to say you're going to be like these tribesmen now.
00:55:52.600You're not going to be grounded in anything that could organize a resistance to us.
00:55:57.220So, yeah, alighting the social phenomenon of parenthood with a biological phenomenon only sets us up to reinforce a dated concept of family at odds with our hopes for more inclusive ethics.
00:56:21.680But again, once again, just speaking it into being right, just just willing the the political opinion, the public opinion into being in real time.
00:56:31.980We've also got some some climate doomerism here.
00:56:35.020They're more pragmatic, utilitarian reasons we might be opposed to biologialism.
00:56:40.440After all, the desire for related children undermines likelihood someone will adopt.
00:56:45.300Yeah, because, again, I'm sure they're very worried about adoption.
00:56:47.880I want to skip down here a little bit because they talk about one more thing I want to hit on.
00:56:51.680They're just going to restate a lot of stuff here.
00:56:53.920Perhaps the most extreme form of this argument comes from antinatalists who roughly hold that not only should we adopt when we can, but this is immoral to bring children into this world.
00:57:04.100So, yeah, they finally got to the point that, like, basically, it's immoral to have children because my climate.
00:57:10.200Right. We have to you have to stop having children right now because otherwise because life is meaningless.
00:57:15.140The world is nothing but suffering and the climate is being destroyed.
00:57:19.720And so you must have must not have children right now.
00:57:23.400Otherwise, you're destroying the planet.
00:57:25.300I don't I think that that speaks for itself.
01:00:03.760Five minutes on black Twitter and they'll tell you don't hate white people, you know, like and also like this is the one drop rule of white racial hegemony.
01:00:11.300Tell me how much the Japanese really want you to marry a Korean woman like it's or Jewish people want you to marry or Jewish or Jews wanting to marry outside of like the outside of their own group.
01:00:22.920Like, yeah, I mean, like it's blatantly obvious that this is, you know, all the rhetoric is just targeting white people.
01:00:29.020Yeah, again, it's insane that they think that by putting this in the lens of that, they could even spread that to other to other races and pretend like that's not something that that, again, a human universal for just having again for just having biological children is is some somehow a weirdly white thing.
01:00:49.720And doesn't doesn't apply to anybody else.
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01:02:28.900Then it sounds like you need to be born again.
01:02:31.020Again, yeah, again, the very Christian notion that the things that you are desirous of, some of the natural desires you have aren't healthy, aren't good.
01:02:42.120And so, you know, sometimes those things are things to be resisted, but sometimes they're also part of kind of the way that God has ordered society.
01:02:50.700And the way to understand that is, you know, it turns out that there's a whole book about it, you know, that you can kind of read and understand, you know, how you should understand those relations to each other.
01:03:04.360I've come to believe that creating demonic dialects such as the one in the article is a way that midwit journalists and academics pretend to be intelligent ever since this reeks of Reddit skepticism top stream.
01:03:19.660I mean, by creating this situation, they try to show that they can dismantle things, that they can get around ideas, that they are smarter than those that came before them.
01:03:29.680They're also creating that dialectic that divides, that creates the opportunity to generate power and allows them to advance their narrative by destroying kind of all authority that came before.
01:03:41.080Yeah, I mean, every sentence of this reeks is Reddit skepticism.
01:03:56.520Iron law of violinism, the more dysfunctional and abnormal a group or concept is, the more the left likes it.
01:04:03.500The left is the glue that unites them.
01:04:05.100Yeah, it is, again, this desire to destroy natural hierarchy, to destroy the natural kind of existence of a society, invert it to create power, to elevate those that otherwise might not be on top.
01:04:19.340This is kind of a core function of the left.
01:04:21.580And to do that, they must collapse all existing structures, all spheres of authority that would have been left over from kind of that more natural, you know, way of life.
01:04:32.420And this is certainly a example of that.
01:04:36.140Yeah, Spandrel will stay winning on that one.
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