The Auron MacIntyre Show - Are We the Baddies？｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 8⧸1⧸23

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00:00:30.120 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.360 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:32.920 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.160 So I'm a big fan of history podcasts.

00:00:39.840 Listen to them all the time.

00:00:41.460 And one of my favorites is, of course, the Martyr Maid podcast.

00:00:44.740 And I have with me today the host of the Martyr Maid podcast, Daryl Cooper.

00:00:48.540 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:00:50.160 Great to be here.

00:00:51.680 So, Daryl, you've got a couple of podcasts.

00:00:54.240 You co-host with Jocko Willick, and then you've got your own podcast.

00:00:58.580 It's very interesting that you kind of ended up in the space that you're in because I think

00:01:03.180 a lot of people kind of became aware of what you were doing with Tucker Carlson, kind of

00:01:07.840 walking through this large thread you did on kind of the Trump phenomenon and why people

00:01:12.260 voted for him and why they felt betrayed.

00:01:14.340 It's a very weird road to get to kind of where you're at now.

00:01:17.780 I'm wondering, you know, can you give us a little background?

00:01:20.060 How did you end up in this situation, do what you're doing now?

00:01:22.500 And how do you feel about kind of having come into the limelight kind of through this process now?

00:01:27.320 Yeah, that part, that last part is very strange.

00:01:29.700 I'm an introvert very, very much by nature.

00:01:32.140 And so I don't particularly like having attention on me.

00:01:35.660 Even video podcasts make me a little bit nervous.

00:01:38.680 But, you know, so I picked a weird career choice.

00:01:42.760 But so I was in the Navy for 10 years.

00:01:45.820 I got out in 2011 and I got recruited to work for the Department of Defense as an electrical

00:01:52.780 engineer working on air and ballistic missile defense systems out in Central Coast, California.

00:01:59.120 And so I did that for 10 years and it was a great job.

00:02:02.000 I loved it.

00:02:02.780 It gave me a lot of independence.

00:02:05.060 You know, I traveled all over the world.

00:02:07.220 It was a great job.

00:02:08.620 And I did that for 10 years.

00:02:11.400 A few years before I ended that in 2021, I started this podcast.

00:02:16.780 And really, I just did it because, you know, I was spending a lot of time by myself overseas for work.

00:02:23.540 I had a lot of time to read.

00:02:24.980 That's kind of always how I passed the time since I was a little kid.

00:02:28.080 You know, I moved around a lot as a kid.

00:02:29.680 So I kept my nose in a book for some continuity.

00:02:33.540 And, you know, I would always be reading and talking to my friends about stuff that they probably didn't care that much about.

00:02:40.720 And one day I was complaining that Dan Carlin, you know, only puts out episodes every six or eight months.

00:02:46.040 And somebody said, well, why don't you make one?

00:02:48.120 And so I so I made one and, you know, it became kind of a little cult classic or like a like a like a cult hit podcast where at a small audience, which, you know, is to be expected for seven hour long history episodes.

00:03:03.380 Um, but very, very enthusiastic and dedicated.

00:03:07.220 They're really great, uh, small audience.

00:03:09.200 And then I guess it was must have been two years ago now.

00:03:13.460 Almost exactly.

00:03:14.420 Yeah.

00:03:14.620 July of 2020, 21.

00:03:17.480 Um, I wrote that thread just on a lark.

00:03:20.200 You know, it, uh, I had like 7,000 Twitter followers at the time and it was really just me talking to them, which is the way I always think of my podcast.

00:03:29.120 Even now is it's just me talking to my own listeners.

00:03:32.600 If other people want to come in and listen, that's great.

00:03:35.160 What, you know, glad to have them, of course, but I mean, I don't try to please everybody.

00:03:39.900 I try to just, I work for my own listeners.

00:03:42.220 And so I was just talking to this small group of people after I'd had a conversation with my friend's mother, who's an upstate New York sort of Fox News, normie, MAGA Republican.

00:03:53.360 Right.

00:03:53.580 And, uh, I had this conversation with her and I thought, you know, I think people just don't really understand this.

00:03:59.160 And I think that I can under, that I can explain where they're coming from.

00:04:03.220 And so I wrote that thread really, again, just to my own 7,000 followers.

00:04:07.660 And, um, you know, it was crazy.

00:04:09.700 Like started blowing up and going viral that afternoon.

00:04:14.720 Somebody, one of my friends calls me up and they're like, am I allowed to curse on here?

00:04:20.000 I won't.

00:04:20.460 Uh, you know, are you watching Tucker Carlson?

00:04:25.240 I'm like, no, I, I don't have a TV to watch.

00:04:27.820 They're like, what's Tucker Carlson right now?

00:04:29.700 And so I turned it on and he's reading my whole thread that dedicates a whole segment to it.

00:04:35.200 And of course, like, you know, everything kind of blew up from there.

00:04:38.020 And then the next day, Donald Trump was given a speech at CPAC and he called me out by name, called me a brilliant podcaster.

00:04:45.920 So it was, uh, it was very surreal, you know, um, cause I'm, you know, I never intended on having a public profile at all.

00:04:56.340 Um, and it's been something to adapt to for sure.

00:04:59.400 Um, so that, but that had happened.

00:05:01.860 That's right.

00:05:02.220 That had happened after I'd already moved down here and made the commitment to stop my work with the DOD.

00:05:08.900 And I was very reluctant to do that.

00:05:10.960 You know, I had 20 years toward a federal retirement.

00:05:13.700 I was a GS 13.

00:05:15.360 Um, I loved my job.

00:05:16.720 Uh, but Jocko called me up one day after I put out one of my Jonestown episodes, I got to learn to stop spinning back and forth and fidgeting.

00:05:26.680 Um, after I put out one of my Jonestown episodes, Jocko called me up and he said, Hey, why don't you quit your job and just come down here and work with me full time?

00:05:33.500 And I said, no, because, you know, I like my job.

00:05:37.620 When he called me, I was literally on a, on a six month long assignment out in Kauai and the government was putting me up in this beautiful resort because it was the only thing available.

00:05:47.560 It was just a great job, you know, and with all the travel and everything, I was making good money.

00:05:52.700 And again, I was 20 years toward a retirement and, you know, I grew up very poor.

00:05:57.860 And, and so being that close to a good federal retirement is like, you know, just making it into the middle class.

00:06:04.060 When I finally hit that threshold, it was this huge weight off my shoulders.

00:06:08.160 And, uh, so I told him no, but Jocko can, uh, believe it or not, be very convincing when he wants something.

00:06:15.880 And, uh, and so I'm in San Diego now and, um, and we do a podcast together called the unraveling, which we haven't done in several months because our schedules have been ridiculous, but we're supposed to record this week.

00:06:27.860 So, you know, in that podcast, uh, we deal with historical topics, um, but mostly not all, but mostly more recent history, 20, we, we, we've been doing a lot on the cold war, 20th century history, but also contemporary politics.

00:06:41.720 And then, uh, the martyr made podcast obviously is where I go real deep on, on historical topics.

00:06:47.720 Absolutely. And it's something that you, you don't shy, uh, shy away from controversy. You don't shy away at some of the hard stuff. It's nice because it doesn't feel like you're chasing it. It doesn't feel like you're, you're doing it just to be, you know, salacious or to, to, to get any kind of street cred for being edgy.

00:07:04.460 You're doing it because it's essential to kind of the truth and what you're trying to convey, which I really respect. And I think, uh, you need a lot more of, especially in history, history, uh, is a lot more controversial than people think it is.

00:07:16.640 When, once you start digging in, once you start telling the truth. And so, uh, I encourage people to check that out. But one of the, that's one of the reasons I want to talk to you today is a lot of people kind of have a conception of the United States,

00:07:28.640 especially a lot of conservatives that I think is, uh, is a little, uh, rosy, a little something that is not facing a lot of difficult parts of history.

00:07:39.160 And I think that's not because they're not willing, willing to look at those that, but because they've never often heard it from people who I think love the country and care about the country.

00:07:48.060 The only people they've heard it from are people who hate the country, people who despise them, especially red America. They can feel kind of that, that animosity coming off of them. 0.69

00:07:56.000 And so one of the reasons I wanted to talk about it with you is because I feel like, you know, with, with your military background, with your experience, uh, you know, I, I think you read as somebody who people respect and people understand comes from a place of, of caring about the country and its people.

00:08:11.460 And so when we delve into these topics, I think you're the kind of guy that, that unpacks in a way that, that other people who have that kind of background can relate to. Uh, so we're going to dive into that guys, but before we do, I do need to go ahead and hear from our sponsor today.

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00:10:43.960 All right, guys, so let's go ahead and jump into it.

00:10:47.640 Now, Daryl, I think one of the places that I usually start when I'm talking to conservatives about kind of what's going on is they, of course, care a lot about national security, right?

00:10:56.140 They want to know that we have a strong military that keeps the United States safe, that is out there making sure that their homeland is going to be protected, that their interests are being taken care of.

00:11:06.680 And I think that's a good general conservative stance to take.

00:11:10.960 I think that's a healthy thing, a respect for the military, respect for people who are protecting you, those kind of things.

00:11:16.080 I think that is something that is really essential.

00:11:18.180 But I think what can often confuse many kind of American conservatives about our current situation, our foreign policy, is they don't see America as an empire.

00:11:29.020 They see it as kind of this nation, and it's got its own interests, and it's all wrapped up around these 50 states right here.

00:11:35.260 But they don't think about it projecting power and the way that that kind of impacts other areas.

00:11:42.080 I wonder if you could talk a little bit about kind of the idea of America as an empire, if you think it is an empire, and if it is, when did it become an empire as opposed to kind of a more traditional or standard nation?

00:11:55.220 Sure, it's an empire.

00:11:56.460 Empires come in a lot of shapes and sizes, right?

00:11:59.020 The Athenians always insisted that the Delian League was not an empire.

00:12:02.080 Of course, it was an empire, and we recognize that now, and historians in the future will look at America and recognize that we crossed that threshold sometime in the early to mid-20th century.

00:12:12.300 I guess you could debate, you know, when we embarked on the Spanish-American War, that was an imperial move to a degree, but we did kind of retreat into isolationism after that, even after World War I.

00:12:24.600 But after World War II, I think it's, you know, it's undeniable that America is an empire.

00:12:32.260 I mean, we receive tribute in the form of having the world's reserve currency, you know, which that's exactly what it is.

00:12:40.560 It's a form of tribute, a very advanced form of tribute, allows us to do things we would otherwise never be able to do without it.

00:12:48.880 And we involve ourselves in the affairs of every country on the planet, you know?

00:12:54.560 We consider it our business, how Arab states in the Middle East relate to one another, and not just, you know, this is our ally, Saudi Arabia, and so you better not threaten our ally, you're going to deal with us.

00:13:07.760 That's understandable.

00:13:09.100 But to actually manage their affairs, foreign affairs and their domestic affairs, and you see it in Ukraine, you know?

00:13:16.620 You would think just standing back from a historical perspective, if you were to say, should America or Russia have more influence and say in, like, what's going on in Ukraine and what military alliances and clearly, you know, it's Russia.

00:13:33.480 Russia has far more interests there.

00:13:35.000 They have tons of history there.

00:13:37.300 That doesn't necessarily mean that you throw Ukraine to the dogs and let Russia dominate them. 0.71

00:13:43.020 You know, Russia's a part of Europe, and so they're a part of the civilizational structure that we're a part of, and so we can have dialogue there.

00:13:51.680 But it's an imperial impulse to think that we should have more control over what's going on in Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine, than Russia does.

00:14:00.360 And Americans, you know, we've always, and this goes all the way to the top, I think.

00:14:05.220 I really do believe this, like, you know, that the people at the top, there's obviously some cynical actors up there.

00:14:13.020 But I've talked to a lot of people who have spoken to or know very well, people who were very high up in the Bush administration, the second Bush administration.

00:14:21.620 And when they said that we were going to convert the Middle East to a bunch of, you know, democratic republics, and they were going to welcome us in the streets, and we were going to, they believed it. 0.99

00:14:32.100 They really did believe that.

00:14:33.580 And it's crazy to think about the fact that the people making decisions on our behalf around the world are operating with delusion at that scale.

00:14:43.660 But they really did, a lot of them did believe it.

00:14:47.460 And, you know, Americans, you know, we were born out of a revolution, right?

00:14:53.940 And we like to think that we threw off the yoke of tyranny.

00:14:57.140 Of course, the American Revolution has, you know, there's a revisionist version of that, too.

00:15:01.360 But we threw off the yoke of tyranny, and it's our role to kind of go around.

00:15:05.180 And if there are other people out there who need help, just as the French helped us, then we should help them.

00:15:11.880 And that's how Americans have always seen our foreign interventions.

00:15:14.900 It's how they're always framed.

00:15:16.040 It's how they're sold.

00:15:16.740 And it's how most people genuinely feel about them, at least, you know, on the right.

00:15:21.020 And I think you could, I think that that case is becoming increasingly difficult to make.

00:15:31.520 I'll just put it that way, you know, especially, I mean, gosh, when you get into, I think for a lot of conservatives,

00:15:39.860 and I can tell you some very, very, very well-known people that I know, conservative public persons,

00:15:51.060 who have told me personally, to my face, that they flew an American flag in front of their house their entire lives,

00:15:58.020 and they took it down during the Syrian war, because they just couldn't bear what we were doing over there.

00:16:04.200 And, you know, I understand where they're coming from.

00:16:07.360 Like, it's in my blood.

00:16:08.360 Like, I was a veteran.

00:16:09.320 I worked for the DOD.

00:16:10.420 I had uncles and grandparents who were in the military going all the way back.

00:16:14.180 It's in my blood to just be a flag-waving, normie kind of, you know, American nationalist conservative.

00:16:20.140 And especially, you know, somebody who's interested in history, like, you know, I think about things like,

00:16:27.500 you know, assuming that we don't blow up the world somehow, or, you know, as long as humanity is still around

00:16:33.200 and living in a civilized way a thousand years from now, just as we, like, look back and read about the Roman Empire

00:16:39.260 and think about the glory of this amazing society, historians a thousand years from now, two thousand years from now,

00:16:45.900 are going to read about the United States, the country that went to the moon, you know, that all of these things.

00:16:51.740 And that matters to me, you know.

00:16:53.160 I mean, that fills me with pride.

00:16:54.960 It really does.

00:16:55.820 It really does.

00:16:57.340 And when we do things like we've been doing around the world over, especially the last 20, 25 years,

00:17:05.120 but obviously it goes back farther than that, you know, it's indefensible and it really makes me sad.

00:17:11.880 And I would say it makes me sad.

00:17:13.560 It makes me very angry for that very reason, is that I care about how we're going to be looked at 500 and 1,000 years from now.

00:17:21.440 And I think that's really important because, like I said, I think a lot of people are starting to suspect,

00:17:26.820 and many people on the right are now starting to suspect, that kind of this blind embrace of the State Department

00:17:33.880 and its agenda has been a big mistake for the right.

00:17:38.220 A lot of people who are at their core, like you said, they're conservative, they care about their country,

00:17:43.100 they care about its legacy, they want it to be something that is positive,

00:17:49.420 they have an innate love for kind of the military and those protecting them.

00:17:54.020 They want it to just kind of automatically say this is good because it's something that is being carried out.

00:18:00.560 But I think more and more people are starting to understand that this has been done in their name,

00:18:05.740 but it is not something that is great.

00:18:07.540 And that's why you're seeing a lot of the neocons flee, of course, the Republican Party and go to the Democrats

00:18:13.180 because really their only issue is the war machine and that they don't really care about,

00:18:17.480 they never really cared about conserving America.

00:18:19.160 It was just the convenient place to push their agenda at the time.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, which is too bad, by the way, that this second generation of neocons has been such a disappointment to their fathers

00:18:28.280 because their fathers, there were some genuine intellects who, they did care about America.

00:18:33.760 It was in their own way.

00:18:34.740 Sure, they were a bunch of former Trotskyists and everything, and they had a perspective,

00:18:38.440 but they were patriots.

00:18:40.200 And, you know, it's really sad when you look at how, I mean, but that's how it happens.

00:18:45.300 I guess that's how dynasties fall, so.

00:18:47.520 Well, and you mentioned the kind of Syria there.

00:18:51.300 I think most conservatives have like no idea what you're talking about there.

00:18:55.400 I know that you could spend many podcasts going through everything there,

00:19:01.100 but could you just give a little bit of a survey level of kind of what happened

00:19:05.040 that people probably don't understand?

00:19:06.760 I mean, Arab Spring, right?

00:19:08.260 Bad guy over there.

00:19:09.480 Al-Assad, like we were helping people get rid of him.

00:19:12.700 That's good, right?

00:19:13.600 What's the problem?

00:19:14.320 What happened over there?

00:19:16.320 Well, you know, you could just start with how it turned out.

00:19:19.980 You know, we destroyed that country and contributed to the destruction of that country. 0.99

00:19:23.420 But the way to think about what happened in Syria is, you know,

00:19:31.520 if you go back to, we have this tendency in America where we learn lessons from a war

00:19:38.180 that goes really well for us.

00:19:40.960 And then several years later, we think, well, that's a great idea.

00:19:44.140 We can try that again.

00:19:45.000 We did that in Iraq.

00:19:46.120 We, you know, the Gulf War was such a roaring success.

00:19:49.060 The technology of our military, everything.

00:19:51.560 We can do whatever we want.

00:19:52.640 Like, what evidence was there that the U.S. military could not go around the world

00:19:56.020 and do absolutely anything it wanted?

00:19:57.840 That was all the evidence.

00:19:59.520 And so we embarked on the second Iraq war, you know, with that mindset. 0.57

00:20:04.560 Well, back during the 1980s, when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan

00:20:08.340 and the CIA ran the project there to start funding and arming,

00:20:12.300 training Mujahideen from around the world to flow into that country 0.82

00:20:15.300 and fight off the Soviets.

00:20:16.720 From their perspective, it was a roaring success, right? 1.00

00:20:20.020 The Soviets got their asses kicked and they retreated ignominiously. 0.99

00:20:25.200 And we didn't have to pay very much for it. 0.99

00:20:27.420 I mean, a few Stinger missiles and, you know, some training camps.

00:20:30.540 And we really didn't have to do that much until you get to September 11, 2001.

00:20:34.500 But even still, with that blowback, it was looked at as a massive success.

00:20:40.080 Well, that network, you've got to ask yourself, like,

00:20:44.560 if we're looking for tens of thousands of Arab fighters to, you know,

00:20:50.360 make their way into a war zone,

00:20:53.080 find their way to the right people from, like, some slum in Cairo, right? 0.98

00:20:57.620 They got to—this is somebody who has no money.

00:20:59.400 He has—he's probably illiterate, you know, very often.

00:21:02.340 And this guy has to manage to get from his slum in Cairo to the mountains of Afghanistan, 0.73

00:21:07.520 find the right people, get trained, be integrated into a paramilitary unit,

00:21:12.180 and then go out and fight the right enemy.

00:21:14.980 I mean, there's a whole operation behind this, obviously, right?

00:21:18.120 There's—you have the Saudis, and now the Qataris are obviously very involved,

00:21:21.960 where they have madrasas all around the world, not just in the Arab world,

00:21:25.800 but in the West and other places, too.

00:21:27.860 And they use those to figure out who would be solid recruits for something like this.

00:21:34.060 They radicalize people, they select the ones who want to do it,

00:21:37.840 and they feed them into this machine.

00:21:40.180 And we make sure they get where they need to go and get armed and get trained

00:21:44.480 and get pointed at the right enemy.

00:21:48.220 Well, so in Afghanistan, you know, you can make the case that,

00:21:51.300 look, the Soviets were invading Afghanistan.

00:21:53.300 We helped Afghanistan drive out the invader. 1.00

00:21:57.700 And whether or not, you know, we should have anything to do with Afghanistan, period,

00:22:02.080 like it was the context of the Cold War, I'll cut them some slack on that.

00:22:06.400 But what Syria was, was they turned that whole operation around.

00:22:10.460 They said, well, if we can use this global network of madrasas and everything that we've used

00:22:15.520 to recruit and funnel these fighters into Afghanistan to defend the country,

00:22:21.360 well, why can't we do that in Syria to overthrow this government,

00:22:25.140 to win a war, you know, aggressively,

00:22:27.640 that we're actually trying to accomplish something aggressively toward a country?

00:22:31.040 And the answer is, you know, theoretically, there's no reason you can't do that.

00:22:34.720 And that's exactly what we did, you know.

00:22:36.880 And it's a, I mean, look, for most of the time that we were funneling weapons and supplies

00:22:48.400 into that country, everybody knew that the only serious anti-Assad fighting force in Syria

00:22:55.880 was the Al-Qaeda affiliate in the country.

00:22:58.840 You know, you had the Kurds up in, you know, the Syrian defense forces up in the northeast

00:23:03.500 that the DOD was working with, who, by the way, got into firefights several times with

00:23:08.560 the CIA's jihadist proxies, but they were not interested in leaving their homeland to

00:23:14.020 go fight Assad and take over Damascus.

00:23:16.080 They were fighting ISIS for us.

00:23:17.640 They were defending, like, this area where the oil fields were that were strategically important

00:23:21.940 to us, but they weren't marching on Damascus.

00:23:24.460 That was never going to happen.

00:23:26.180 The people who were doing that, the anti-Assad force, were straight up jihadists, okay?

00:23:31.920 You can listen to interviews with, like, Jack Murphy, former Special Forces guy, Army Special

00:23:36.660 Forces.

00:23:37.900 He's got a podcast called, I think, Team House.

00:23:40.300 Really good.

00:23:41.300 And he's got a lot of connections all over the military, you know, back in the Special

00:23:45.820 Forces community.

00:23:46.840 And Army Special Forces was doing most of the training in Jordan of the people we were funneling

00:23:51.940 into Syria.

00:23:53.580 And he said, he said this, he didn't imply this or anything.

00:23:57.020 He said it straight up, that guys he knew who were over there working those training

00:24:02.340 camps, Special Forces guys he knew who were over there in Jordan, were telling him that

00:24:07.280 our Army guys there were on the verge of mutiny because they were like, you are sending us

00:24:12.780 straight up jihadists.

00:24:14.360 This is, you know, we went into Syria.

00:24:16.300 This is 10 years after 9-11.

00:24:17.820 And you're having us train and fund and arm an Al-Qaeda affiliate.

00:24:21.820 That's what you want us to do?

00:24:23.440 You know, and they were outraged.

00:24:25.160 I mean, and so it got to the point where they were on the verge of just refusing to

00:24:29.080 do it.

00:24:29.580 But what they ended up doing was just, you know, handing them a gun and being like, yeah,

00:24:33.380 you point it that way. 1.00

00:24:34.620 Now go get blown up by a Russian jet, you asshole, you know, like, but that's how bad 1.00

00:24:38.860 it was. 1.00

00:24:39.280 I mean, that's because you got to think, who are these people?

00:24:41.420 Like who, who around the world is going to be some dude who lives, again, in a Cairo slum 1.00

00:24:48.280 or up in Chechnya or something, and they want to leave home to go into Syria to overthrow

00:24:55.060 the Assad government?

00:24:56.120 Of course, they're jihadists.

00:24:57.400 Like who else do you think would do something like that?

00:25:00.000 You know?

00:25:00.740 And so we knew that the entire time.

00:25:03.380 We knew who these people were.

00:25:04.820 We had, I mean, there's a guy that John McCain is in multiple pictures shaking hands

00:25:09.440 with.

00:25:09.760 He was a leader of one of our main proxy militias over there.

00:25:12.480 And right before the Russians and the, and the Iranians came in and turned things around 1.00

00:25:18.260 when the jihadists were on the outskirts of Damascus, you know, and it looked like Damascus

00:25:23.360 was going to fall.

00:25:24.160 He's out there cutting videos saying that Allah is going to punish us for not having killed 0.99

00:25:29.220 all the Alawites sooner. 0.91

00:25:30.900 And we're, this is who we're sending weapons to, you know?

00:25:34.200 And so, and again, it's 10 years after 9-11, we started doing that.

00:25:38.220 You know, if you would have told us on September 12th, 2001, that in 10 years, you're going

00:25:44.760 to be sending weapons and training for combat and Al Qaeda affiliate in not Afghanistan, where

00:25:50.160 bin Laden was, not even in Iraq, in Syria, which, you know, didn't have anything to do

00:25:55.340 with anything. 0.84

00:25:56.540 People would have thought you were crazy.

00:25:58.000 But of course, that's what happened.

00:26:00.260 And so, I mean, one of the best ways I've had it to sort of put to me, and this really

00:26:05.760 does apply very well, is you have to think of like, or actually, let me preface this with

00:26:11.180 like, there are people who, either their families or themselves now, were in Aleppo, were in some

00:26:19.220 of these places, you know, there's some Druze people and Arabs who were in these places or

00:26:23.700 had families there.

00:26:24.940 And they said, you know, they tell stories about the entire city.

00:26:28.980 It's not occupied by an army, okay?

00:26:31.300 It's occupied by dozens of completely unregulated militias made up of psychopaths from all over 0.98

00:26:39.460 the Muslim world. 0.99

00:26:41.220 You know, people who were crazy enough to want to get a gun and go into Syria and fight 0.98

00:26:44.760 for ISIS or Al Qaeda or whatever, all hopped up on, you know, captagon methamphetamines 0.99

00:26:50.640 running around the city, raping their daughters, just running.

00:26:54.160 They would literally have, you know, different blocks that would have graffiti tagged on them 0.98

00:26:59.860 to be like, this is the Chechen's block. 0.67

00:27:02.140 This is the, you know, such and such block.

00:27:04.220 And imagine you, there were families in these cities, okay?

00:27:08.220 Imagine living in that city with your daughter and your wife there, you know, and having to

00:27:14.580 go through that.

00:27:15.540 Like, sending these types of just completely unregulated, no military discipline, no structure,

00:27:23.140 no accountability, no nothing.

00:27:25.000 Taking these people from all over the world, sending them to attack a country, as far as I'm 1.00

00:27:29.020 concerned, should be, it should be as much of an international prohibition as like using

00:27:34.800 chemical weapons on civilians, because it is that filthy, you know?

00:27:38.120 It is absolutely, and we see what happened, you know?

00:27:41.360 And so, so the, one of the best ways that anybody has put it to me is said, you have to

00:27:45.960 think of like in America, if Russia or China had started arming and funding tens of thousands

00:27:55.760 of like a hodgepodge of neo-Nazis and KKK and, you know, whoever, all the scary groups

00:28:03.480 like in the United States.

00:28:04.680 And they start arming and funding them.

00:28:06.560 And they say, go overthrow Washington, D.C.

00:28:09.120 We want you to march on Washington.

00:28:10.680 And they say, okay, boss. 1.00

00:28:11.940 And they go and they stop at every town along the way and kill all the blacks and Jews, 1.00

00:28:17.820 you know? 0.99

00:28:18.740 Because that's what happened in Syria is, is our own militias were going, they're supposed 0.95

00:28:23.260 to be going over to Damascus. 0.92

00:28:24.600 They're going to kill the Yazidis. 1.00

00:28:25.880 They're going to kill the Druze. 1.00

00:28:27.240 They're bragging on tape about genociding the Christians and Alawites when they take, you 1.00

00:28:32.100 know, Damascus.

00:28:33.160 And we're, and that did not, it didn't stop until Donald Trump took power and to his credit,

00:28:39.040 okay?

00:28:39.360 Like I have plenty of criticisms of Donald Trump.

00:28:42.520 But that first summer, you know, I think it was, I think it was as early as early July

00:28:47.900 of 2017 when he was in power, he ended that program.

00:28:51.480 And when you saw what happened, as soon as we cut them off, they all collapsed, you know,

00:28:57.120 every single one of those militias, ISIS collapsed, they all collapsed.

00:29:00.700 And, you know, because even these moderate, you know, so-called moderate rebels in that country,

00:29:07.820 you know, these were, this is another thing, like you'll hear from people who were directly

00:29:11.380 over there involved with this stuff, that these, you know, the, the, the people running 0.97

00:29:15.460 the Al-Qaeda affiliates and everything, they're not stupid. 0.96

00:29:18.240 You know, the Americans show up with billions of dollars in crates of weapons and they walk 0.98

00:29:23.200 up and say, Hey, I'm from Al-Qaeda.

00:29:24.960 Can I have some of that?

00:29:25.820 They're going to tell you no, of course.

00:29:27.640 And so you set up a front group and that's what all these moderate rebels were.

00:29:31.260 You know, you think you have moderate people in Syria who are just, you know, they live 1.00

00:29:35.820 off in Eastern Syria and they're just so hopped up with rage at Assad that they're going

00:29:40.500 to leave their family in the midst of this war zone and go and try to, you know, destroy 0.96

00:29:45.600 Damascus.

00:29:46.200 Come on. 0.99

00:29:46.560 It's just completely ridiculous.

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00:30:03.840 And that's what we did to this country.

00:30:05.640 And it's horrible, you know, every single Christian in that country that wasn't killed

00:30:11.460 by one of our proxies was being protected by Assad, was being protected by Russia, by

00:30:17.640 Iran.

00:30:18.880 That's just the facts, you know, and I don't like, I don't like saying any of this stuff.

00:30:23.680 You know, I don't like it, especially because I, you know, I have so many friends.

00:30:28.820 I know people who were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:30:33.420 I, you know, I have friends that served over there.

00:30:36.240 Of course, Jocko served over there.

00:30:37.560 He lost men in combat fighting these wars, you know, friends of his, people that depended

00:30:42.300 on him as their leader who were killed, you know, in Ramadi.

00:30:47.100 And, you know, it's such a cliche to say that, you know, you still support the troops, but

00:30:52.320 you don't support the war.

00:30:53.440 But there is a, you know, the only way I've been able to, to sort of make that, to square

00:30:58.960 that circle in my mind, because I really do believe that it's, that it's true.

00:31:02.800 I think that the, I think that the troops were over there fighting a noble war in Iraq, for

00:31:07.460 example, because the people they were fighting, you know, the idea that these were like just

00:31:13.140 moderate nationalists who didn't like an invader in their country is complete nonsense. 0.96

00:31:18.400 These were head chopping jihadists from all over the world, pouring into Iraq to rape 1.00

00:31:24.840 and destroy the Iraqi people while they were fighting the Americans. 0.99

00:31:29.400 And, and that's a fact. 0.99

00:31:30.320 And that's who our, our guys were over there fighting and killing is a bunch of animals.

00:31:36.120 Um, but those animals are rampaging through that country because of the decisions our country

00:31:41.520 made, you know, to go in there in the first place.

00:31:44.340 And so, um, it's, it's, it's enraging and it's disheartening, you know, and I was going

00:31:52.000 to say again to, um, to Donald Trump's credit, like people, people, it shouldn't be such a,

00:31:57.760 you know, such a big accomplishment to have not started any new wars in four years.

00:32:02.720 Right.

00:32:03.420 I mean, like if you would have gone through most of American history, that have been like,

00:32:06.720 okay.

00:32:07.160 And like, but it's a huge accomplishment these days just to not start new wars.

00:32:12.740 And, you know, I think about like, you know, right before I stopped working for the DOD,

00:32:18.280 I would go out to military installations to work with their guys on their air and ballistic

00:32:22.680 missile defense systems.

00:32:24.080 And it was such a weird experience because like, once we got up to 2019, 2020, 2021, I

00:32:30.980 would go out there and there would be kids in the Navy who were 17, 18 years old.

00:32:34.740 And I realized like, wow, this kid can vote now.

00:32:37.800 And he was not alive when 9-11 happened.

00:32:40.900 That's crazy.

00:32:41.760 Right.

00:32:42.480 And it's a sign I'm getting old, but like, you know, this kid grew up his entire life.

00:32:48.760 We've been at war.

00:32:50.300 His entire life.

00:32:51.480 And it's just one after another, after another, his entire life, you know, our politics has 0.97

00:32:56.600 been completely consumed with, you're a Nazi. 0.80

00:32:59.020 No, you're a communist. 0.99

00:33:00.160 You want to destroy the country.

00:33:01.340 No, you, that's all they know.

00:33:02.880 That's all they know.

00:33:03.820 And it's, and it's, I mean, it's no wonder that this young generation is so radicalized

00:33:09.580 in both directions, you know?

00:33:10.920 It's, it is amazing, I think, for a lot of people to realize that, that they've been

00:33:17.360 at war the entire lives of these kids.

00:33:19.560 Cause like, I used to teach high school.

00:33:20.940 So like, I read into this all the time, right?

00:33:22.660 They have no, no living memory of this, no recollection of kind of what the context is.

00:33:26.920 They don't know what it's like to not be in this scenario, but they don't feel it.

00:33:30.520 Right.

00:33:30.780 There's no, like, we're at war.

00:33:32.280 That doesn't mean anything to them.

00:33:34.740 Is, is that, do you think kind of this general disconnect is, is that like, people just don't

00:33:40.380 realize like we conquered the world after world war II and, and have kind of lived in the,

00:33:46.740 in this idea that we, we can continue to project this forever without any cost.

00:33:51.280 I mean, do they think that's just the, the kind of, kind of the state of the way the

00:33:56.060 world will always be that they, that's why they think there's always like a Thomas Jefferson

00:34:00.220 and a George Washington hiding somewhere out in Syria to, to kind of transition everybody

00:34:04.320 to kind of the, this enlightened liberal democracy.

00:34:07.340 What is it that, that disconnects even the most patriotic Americans from kind of what is

00:34:13.380 being done in their name?

00:34:14.560 What, what, what is the constant state now of kind of this empire?

00:34:18.780 Well, I think one of the things is that military service has very much, it's, you know, we almost

00:34:27.220 have a military cast in this country where people who joined the military, they had dads

00:34:32.980 and uncles in the military.

00:34:34.260 They had grandparents in the military.

00:34:36.180 And if you are one of those people, or, you know, one of those people, you probably know

00:34:40.000 50 people who are veterans.

00:34:42.200 If you go to another play, you know, another place, even maybe in the same town, they don't

00:34:47.600 know any veterans, you know, because it's just not part of their social circle.

00:34:52.100 And so, you know, we, we don't fight mass conscription wars anymore.

00:34:55.060 We fight boutique wars that are fought with high technology and special forces and, and

00:35:00.340 things like that.

00:35:00.900 Even, you know, in Iraq, I think at the, at the height, we had like 160,000 people when

00:35:05.580 you, when you counted private contractors.

00:35:08.100 And so, um, you know, it doesn't affect them directly in that sense where anybody they know

00:35:14.440 is going to be getting sent over there.

00:35:16.080 Uh, and if they do, you know, look, everybody's talking now that, you know, they're having

00:35:22.000 a ton of fun pointing out how Russia's having a tough time with the Ukrainians. 0.89

00:35:26.680 It's such a ridiculous way to look at things.

00:35:29.440 You know, the Russians are fighting a war that nobody has ever fought before, you know, 0.77

00:35:34.480 modern weaponry, modern, all the modern tools, satellite imagery, all of these things.

00:35:40.380 And you don't have total air superiority.

00:35:44.080 I mean, we've never fought like that.

00:35:45.680 You know, if you think about like, you go out when we, even, even in Vietnam, I mean,

00:35:51.140 this is the insane way we, we fought that war of just using our soldiers as bait.

00:35:55.980 We would send them out to walk on patrol, get shot at, and then call in airstrikes.

00:36:01.680 And that's what, how we basically fought the war.

00:36:04.140 And it's like, imagine if you couldn't call in the airstrikes, that's what Russia is dealing

00:36:08.900 with right now.

00:36:09.620 And it's very hard.

00:36:10.460 I mean, the Ukrainians are very tough. 1.00

00:36:11.900 They're very motivated.

00:36:13.080 They're very well equipped.

00:36:14.140 And, and the Russians don't have, you know, total air superiority.

00:36:17.780 It's very hard.

00:36:18.480 But every war that we've been associated with since the second world war, or since Korea,

00:36:22.920 rather, well, we had air superiority there, but at least we suffered some casualties in

00:36:27.360 that war.

00:36:28.420 Every, every war since then, though, has been one where, you know, we, we had to say we had

00:36:36.280 an advantage is kind of obscene.

00:36:38.600 You know, when, when you're, when you're bombing people with drones driven, you know,

00:36:45.040 driven, flown by somebody in Nevada, and you're bombing somebody who literally has no air defense.

00:36:51.840 I mean, that's, I don't know.

00:36:54.340 It's something unseemly about it to me.

00:36:56.240 Maybe I just, you know, I need to get with the times.

00:36:58.320 I guess swordsmen don't like archers, whatever.

00:37:00.480 But there's something to me that's a little unseemly about that, but you can also learn

00:37:04.820 really, really bad lessons from it.

00:37:07.700 You know, like if you, if you knew somebody who went over to Iraq and look, Iraq was a 1.00

00:37:12.960 horrific war for America in a million different ways.

00:37:15.620 You know what it did to our self-image, what it did to our politics.

00:37:19.080 And of course, what it did to our people.

00:37:21.200 I mean, we had, I think we lost like 5,000 soldiers or so dead, but there were tens of

00:37:26.420 thousands who were wounded.

00:37:28.200 But even still, when you count all the people that rotated through there, the casualty rate

00:37:33.240 was extraordinarily low, you know, same, same in Afghanistan.

00:37:36.480 And so it allows us to think about the fact that like we fought and lost two wars that over

00:37:44.320 the course of 20 years, I mean, one took almost 10 years, another took 20.

00:37:48.460 We, you know, we got chased out of both of those countries, basically, literally in Afghanistan

00:37:54.400 and your average American, if they didn't have, you know, if they weren't checking their

00:37:59.520 phone or watching the news, they might not even know that there was a war, you know?

00:38:03.860 So to be able to lose two wars and have your average citizen on main street, not even, not

00:38:11.540 be affected in the slightest way.

00:38:13.160 I mean, at all, you know, it does give them a lot of leeway to, uh, to, to do what they

00:38:18.960 want in our name without us really speaking up much about it, you know?

00:38:22.780 And I think we're running up against it now in, in, in Ukraine, because now there's a real 0.79

00:38:26.940 country involved, you know, this is a real country with a real military that if we ever

00:38:31.660 decide we want to fight them, we're bringing back the draft.

00:38:35.540 We're going to lose ships sunk.

00:38:38.260 We're going to lose aircraft.

00:38:39.540 We're going to, I mean, even if we win, like all of those things are going to happen.

00:38:43.900 And so that's where we're at now.

00:38:46.040 And, and, you know, you hope that that pattern of learning terrible lessons from earlier, you

00:38:52.680 know, successes, quote unquote, uh, doesn't drive us into a conflict with Russia or China,

00:38:58.600 because that would just be a nightmare.

00:38:59.780 Yeah.

00:39:01.000 Yeah.

00:39:01.360 And I guess that kind of puts us where we're at now.

00:39:03.500 Cause like you said, there's not really, there wasn't as, as, as horrible as the consequences

00:39:08.360 were for the people living there.

00:39:09.580 There was no real consequence for Americans trying to dabble in Syria or Libya and just

00:39:14.560 kind of destroying these nations without, without even really thinking about it.

00:39:18.660 But the amazing thing for me is watching America kind of come out of, you know, especially

00:39:23.640 the American elites, uh, what was a probably devastating amount of kind of pushback when it

00:39:29.740 came to kind of their desire to force kind of COVID lockdowns, kind of the, the, the,

00:39:35.360 the global, uh, credibility of kind of the, the, the world order was stressed to kind of

00:39:41.100 its maximum.

00:39:42.140 And despite that, they immediately jumped into this war, right?

00:39:46.460 Which if you, if there was any self control inside of a ruling class, they would let things

00:39:51.960 cool down for a little bit, right?

00:39:53.360 They, they would, they would kind of reestablish this, they'd let pressure release valve, but

00:39:56.940 they, they immediately jumped right into this feeling like there's just no reason not to

00:40:01.800 immediately put themselves at the other end of a, you know, a world power that could nuke

00:40:06.440 them, you know, in, in theory.

00:40:08.220 Uh, and, and just that lack of hesitation kind of blows me away is part of that again, like

00:40:14.620 the America, America's loss, or, or I, when I say America, I do mean, you know, basically

00:40:20.160 NATO and the wider empires loss of the idea that there are any other legitimate geopolitical

00:40:26.920 concerns for other nations.

00:40:28.600 Like just, just no other nation has a sphere of control because the, the, like the world

00:40:33.260 order has been established.

00:40:34.280 And this is the only thing that can ever kind of dictate who or what could control any given

00:40:39.360 area of, uh, everything else is a little illegitimate, uh, invitation to just, you know,

00:40:44.220 invade all of Europe because you didn't want NATO sitting right outside your border.

00:40:48.640 Yeah.

00:40:49.200 I mean, you hit the nail on the head, you know, obviously that's what's going on.

00:40:52.140 I mean, you know, Russia is a, uh, a millennia old millennium old country, one that we've

00:40:58.100 been allied with in multiple wars, you know, major wars in our history, a Christian society

00:41:03.800 and advanced European society.

00:41:06.700 And when they raise concerns over having an anti-Russian military alliance, 400 miles from

00:41:14.220 Moscow, that's how far, you know, the Eastern border Ukraine is from Moscow.

00:41:17.780 Um, to have an anti-Russian military alliance parked on some, on planes to their West that

00:41:27.040 they had been invaded to apocalyptic effect twice within living memory, you know, not too

00:41:34.360 long ago anyway, World War I.

00:41:36.680 And to, you know, and, and to have had experiences like the Cuban missile crisis and everything

00:41:42.320 that we did with Cuba when, when, you know, before Kennedy made his commitment not to overthrow

00:41:46.880 it, the, with the Monroe doctrine, every piece is there that you should be able to understand

00:41:53.880 why this is concerning for Russia.

00:41:55.940 And I think they do understand perfectly well why it's concerning for Russia.

00:42:00.500 Um, and yet they treat Russia's claims as if, like the, as if they have no more legitimacy

00:42:07.860 than like Al Qaeda's claims.

00:42:09.300 I mean, that's really how they treat Russia is their concerns.

00:42:12.760 It would be like Al Qaeda saying, we don't like this.

00:42:15.380 You, you have no legitimate interests.

00:42:17.500 You have no legitimate concerns, period, end of story.

00:42:20.200 We're totally implacable.

00:42:22.900 And I think that, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately for the Ukrainians and for the

00:42:29.000 future of Ukraine, um, I think the Russians have gotten that message.

00:42:32.640 I think they've gotten the message that the United States cannot be negotiated with.

00:42:36.240 We cannot, we are incapable of making reliable agreements that are going to last longer than

00:42:43.240 one presidential administration.

00:42:45.200 I mean, we have lied to them over and over.

00:42:47.000 You think about how, you know, think about like the, the 1991 commitment that James Baker,

00:42:51.920 the secretary of state made to the Russians, that NATO would not, that if they allowed Germany,

00:42:58.800 you know, again, country that had invaded them twice to apocalyptic effect that they were

00:43:03.560 quite, quite worried about, everybody was worried about like, should Margaret Thatcher thought we,

00:43:08.740 we shouldn't allow Germany to reunify. 0.79

00:43:11.060 Like people were still concerned about what if this comes back up the Russians, most of all.

00:43:15.660 But we said, if, look, if you just let the wall fall, let us unite, uh, these, you know,

00:43:20.820 East and West Germany, Germany's going to be integrated into NATO.

00:43:24.900 And the way they sold that is because you don't want an independent German military power on the

00:43:29.420 continent, like feeling like it's threatened from the East and the West.

00:43:32.860 It's better if they're under our umbrella and we can like exercise influence there.

00:43:37.360 If you allow that to happen, then we will, I mean, the quote, and we have the documentation

00:43:42.620 now is we will not move NATO one inch East of the, of the East German border.

00:43:50.300 And so the Russians hear that and they say, okay, a few years later, we decide, of course, 0.80

00:43:55.160 we're going to continue moving, uh, NATO East.

00:43:58.020 And we start doing that.

00:43:59.420 And all of a sudden these people, these Americans who are involved with these discussions come

00:44:02.980 out and say, well, yeah, I mean, we didn't sign a treaty saying that, or we didn't quite

00:44:09.800 technically.

00:44:10.760 And if you read like the exact way we phrased it, like we left some room and like, you can

00:44:16.480 do that in a courtroom or something.

00:44:18.780 But the Russians are over here. 1.00

00:44:20.120 Like, what are you talking about?

00:44:22.460 Like we were in the room with you when you made that agreement, you look this in the

00:44:25.640 eye and, and this is, this is a vital national security issue for us.

00:44:29.880 And you just look this in the eye and lied to us.

00:44:32.680 And that has just happened again and again and again.

00:44:35.300 And you have senior, I mean, the most senior American diplomats, Bill Clinton's, uh, secretary

00:44:40.460 of defense back in the, in the mid 1990s, who was against the first round of NATO expansion

00:44:46.660 and was trying to fight against it, thought about resigning, uh, in protest when they decided

00:44:51.900 to go forward with it.

00:44:53.220 And he gave an interview and he said that in all his discussions with everybody in the

00:44:57.820 national security establishment, everybody in the Clinton administration, when he would

00:45:03.180 try to bring up Russia's concerns about NATO moving to the East, that what did he say?

00:45:09.540 He said that the response universally was Russia's a third rate power.

00:45:15.620 It doesn't matter what they think.

00:45:17.900 Okay.

00:45:18.340 And like, that's how we've always, that's how we've treated them.

00:45:21.080 And, and, you know, guess what?

00:45:22.620 I mean, Russia, they don't have the ability to project power 10,000 miles away the way we

00:45:28.860 do.

00:45:29.400 You know, that's true.

00:45:30.680 They don't have quite the, uh, ability just economically to sustain a massive military effort

00:45:36.720 halfway around the world for a decade at a time or, or whatever, but on their own border,

00:45:41.860 they are extremely formidable, you know?

00:45:45.400 And it turns out that at the end of the day, you can, you can make all these statements you

00:45:50.760 want, you can lie all you want, but in geopolitics, there is a bottom line and that bottom line

00:45:55.940 is force.

00:45:56.540 And that's where we're at now.

00:45:57.840 And I think that Russia, unfortunately, probably has, is of the mindset now that they just have

00:46:04.480 to finish this, that there's no alternative to it because, you know, uh, even if we say,

00:46:09.880 okay, we'll keep Ukraine, um, you know, say Donald Trump wins in 2024 and he ends the war

00:46:17.000 and says, you know, we're not, or he, or he calls for an end of the war and says, we won't

00:46:21.660 bring them into NATO.

00:46:23.240 They're going to look at him and be like, you couldn't even control your own deep state

00:46:26.840 for four years.

00:46:27.640 Like you got completely subverted by them.

00:46:29.640 And then as soon as you were out of office, they reversed every policy that you made,

00:46:34.100 like how we just have to finish this war.

00:46:36.180 There's no other way to deal with this.

00:46:38.260 And we put them in that, in that situation because of our own cynicism and our own, you

00:46:44.780 know, just willingness to just dishonorably lie through our teeth, you know, to, to, to

00:46:51.500 major nations that we should be dealing with on an adult level, you know, and we just have

00:46:55.720 not done that.

00:46:56.360 And it's infuriating and it's incredibly dangerous.

00:46:59.300 I mean, because I mean, people today, like it was not that long ago that nuclear war was

00:47:07.960 considered a very, uh, like something that could definitely happen.

00:47:13.520 You know, it was not that long.

00:47:15.000 It was just a few decades ago.

00:47:16.380 And I don't think, honestly, like, I think today it would take a lot.

00:47:20.180 It would really take a lot, um, for a general nuclear war to occur.

00:47:24.700 I mean, uh, it's, it's really, it is kind of inconceivable.

00:47:27.420 Like I think even if Russia, you know, was on the verge of losing Crimea and they used

00:47:31.960 a couple of tactical nukes on Ukrainian military forces, like in the field that maybe we, you

00:47:37.640 know, so then we use a tactical nuke and take out the Sevastopol naval port.

00:47:41.460 I still think that probably at some point, uh, once a balance was found where both sides

00:47:49.800 felt like they'd hit back more or less equally and, and, and, uh, you know, could, could end

00:47:57.760 it with some amount of honor and face being saved that somebody would enter that things

00:48:03.860 would intervene.

00:48:04.700 Sanity would prevail before it became a strategic general nuclear war.

00:48:08.400 But you don't, you don't know that, you know, all it takes is one person to say, well, we

00:48:15.120 don't know if the American, how the Americans are going to respond to us nuking, you know, 0.56

00:48:19.880 this Ukrainian military base.

00:48:22.200 And if they decide they're going to really like escalate, we, you know, we should do a

00:48:28.100 for, there's a million things that could happen.

00:48:29.980 And, um, I try not, I, I honestly just try not to think about the nuclear side of it.

00:48:34.620 It's one of those things like, you know, it's, it's, it's like worrying about a plane crashing

00:48:39.540 when you're already 30,000 feet in the air.

00:48:41.440 It's like crashes, that's it.

00:48:43.340 You're done.

00:48:43.740 So forget about it.

00:48:45.420 But there, you know, but there, there are dangers like far short of, of,

00:48:49.880 uh, nuclear conflict that could really touch us. 1.00

00:48:53.080 I mean, if these idiots up in, if these idiots in Washington get it in their head that we 1.00

00:48:59.680 can go to war with Russia or China, I mean, it's, it's going to be an extremely rude awakening 1.00

00:49:05.600 for this country.

00:49:06.380 It really will.

00:49:07.660 And, um, and that's very scary just because like, you know, if we go over to decide we're

00:49:14.260 going to fight China over Taiwan or something, right.

00:49:16.680 Um, and China who has a formidable Navy now and a very, very formidable, uh, anti-ship missile

00:49:22.580 capability.

00:49:24.580 Um, if they sink one of our aircraft carriers, say, you know, 6,500 Americans go into the

00:49:30.020 water, a couple, you know, the, the, the destroyers and cruisers and frigates that are escorting

00:49:34.600 them, they get sunk.

00:49:35.360 So you've got a few thousand, you know, maybe 10,000 Americans killed, an aircraft carrier

00:49:40.460 sunk.

00:49:41.160 I don't know how we'd react to that.

00:49:42.800 We might nuke China. 0.98

00:49:44.180 I mean, these people in charge now, they, they might nuke China.

00:49:47.500 And I mean, that's actually, it's actually interesting.

00:49:50.200 Uh, an admiral, a retired admiral, uh, gosh, which one was it?

00:49:54.360 Um, recently retired admiral, he, uh, he wrote a book called, uh, 2034 with another, with

00:50:03.160 another guy who's a novelist.

00:50:04.420 And it's, uh, it's, it's a story of a war between the U S and China and how it, how it

00:50:11.420 happened, how it built up.

00:50:12.540 And then how, you know, what ended up happening and there were no armies or anything like that.

00:50:16.720 Nobody got anywhere near each other.

00:50:18.200 It was all fought with nuclear weapons and with, you know, and so that's exactly what 0.82

00:50:23.300 happens in his book is we say, well, we'll show them.

00:50:26.480 And we send a carrier strike group over there because they can go wherever they want.

00:50:29.820 They're the most powerful, you know, one of our carrier strike groups is, is more powerful

00:50:33.980 than any Navy on the planet, pretty much with the, maybe exception of China and Russia.

00:50:39.340 And so we send them over there and they sink it and we don't know what to do.

00:50:43.400 We can't send another one over there.

00:50:44.740 And so we nuke a couple of their cities and then they nuke us back.

00:50:47.540 And that's what happens.

00:50:48.400 And so people at the very highest levels are thinking like this, you know, and they're

00:50:52.080 aware of it and you just hope it doesn't get that far, you know, and, uh, there's a million

00:51:00.600 reasons to think that, you know, to, to hope for that just because, you know, for one, it

00:51:04.740 would be just an awful tragedy.

00:51:06.760 Uh, but, but also, you know, we're, we have this issue right now.

00:51:12.420 This is something that like, I was at a conference last year and they had me on a panel

00:51:17.440 kind of talking about, uh, national security stuff because of my, uh, DOD experience.

00:51:22.980 And, you know, they were all very much geared toward, you know, what should we do if, if

00:51:28.440 China does this, are we ready for this war? 0.95

00:51:30.580 Are we ready for, you know, this, this attack or whatever.

00:51:33.100 And the only thing I could keep, and I just said this over and over because it was the

00:51:37.320 only thing that I could really think to say is, you know, like, as long as these people

00:51:42.520 are in charge of our country, you know, so that us taking over your country means, you 0.98

00:51:48.840 know, you're, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're going to have, uh, pride marches, you

00:51:54.160 know, twice a year and you're going to have to have, you know, whatever.

00:51:57.560 For all the year, wouldn't that be great?

00:51:58.900 Yeah.

00:51:59.100 Sorry.

00:51:59.480 Yeah.

00:52:00.080 Yeah.

00:52:00.440 Right.

00:52:01.120 Yeah.

00:52:01.380 But like, as long as we're going around the world, it's just the fountain of, of degeneracy,

00:52:06.580 just pouring it out on every country where we have influence and every country where that

00:52:11.540 resists it, we declare basically an enemy and, and, and go after them.

00:52:15.540 Like with, with all of our focus, as long as we're doing that, I don't, I don't care if

00:52:21.300 we can beat China in a war.

00:52:23.100 Like, I don't, I don't want these people to win that war.

00:52:25.460 Why would I want that?

00:52:26.340 Why would I want the people, these people to win their war in Syria?

00:52:30.980 Of course, I was rooting for Russia and Iran and Assad in Syria, you know, and they're 0.66

00:52:35.120 all problematic regimes, obviously, but they weren't trying to commit genocide against the,

00:52:40.860 you know, the Sunnis who were in that country.

00:52:42.920 There were more Sunnis hiding behind Assad's lines from the jihadist militias than there were

00:52:48.360 in the rest of the country.

00:52:49.760 Most people don't know that.

00:52:50.880 They know the Shiites and the Druze and everything else were hiding behind Assad's lines.

00:52:54.760 There were more Sunnis hiding behind his lines than were off, you know, on the other side.

00:52:58.980 And so, you know, why should I root for our side, quote unquote, when, you know, we're, we're

00:53:05.800 in a war like that?

00:53:07.160 And the answer is, I just don't anymore.

00:53:08.760 And, and it sucks because it goes against every instinct I have.

00:53:14.420 But, you know, I, sometimes you just have to be honest with yourself about things, even

00:53:19.000 when it's tough, you know?

00:53:20.000 Do you think these people understand, I mean, I'm sure they understand on some level, but

00:53:23.780 do you think they're really grappling with kind of the readiness issue?

00:53:26.740 Because obviously, you know, boys from Appalachia are not signing up to get pride marches into

00:53:33.280 Saudi Arabia or, you know, Iran, whatever.

00:53:36.180 Like this is, they're, they're running into a real problem.

00:53:39.220 Like you said, there, there's a military class in this country and the military relies on these

00:53:44.080 high skill operators coming from basically dynasties that are supplying like, you know, rough and

00:53:49.880 ready guys to get this stuff done.

00:53:52.200 And they push, you know, the, you have the, after January 6th and, you know, with the COVID

00:53:58.160 purges and then the attempt to, to kind of purge again, the military with, you know, the

00:54:02.900 different background checks and, uh, are you an NRA member?

00:54:05.980 Have you ever voted for Donald Trump?

00:54:07.640 You're, you're shoving all of the competent guys out of there and you're instilling this,

00:54:12.900 uh, you know, the, basically this a Lenin-esque, uh, you know, loyalty pledge over any kind

00:54:17.860 of competence.

00:54:18.540 How are you going to, and then you're running your empire at full steam ahead into the most 0.98

00:54:23.500 ridiculous opponents you've ever had. 0.86

00:54:25.040 Something's got to break here, right? 0.97

00:54:26.340 Surely someone around there is, is, is doing the math.

00:54:29.940 Yeah.

00:54:30.040 People in the military like to say, and it's, there's a lot of truth to this, honestly,

00:54:33.680 that if you didn't have Florida, Texas, or Appalachia, we would not have an infantry.

00:54:38.660 And, uh, you know, recruiting obviously has collapsed, especially in those core areas, the combat

00:54:44.540 areas and people from those regions.

00:54:47.300 Um, but I'll tell you like their behavior on that front is one of the things I take a

00:54:53.300 certain amount of encouragement from because I tell myself, and I could be wrong.

00:54:57.380 These people could just be completely insane that this is not the way that a regime that

00:55:03.100 thinks they're about to be in a major war behaves.

00:55:06.120 And so for all their rhetoric or anything like that, if they really thought we were going

00:55:10.300 to be in a big war with Russia or China, um, you know, you don't, as much as you might hate

00:55:16.660 them and want them out of the military, whatever, you don't alienate that group of people as much

00:55:21.300 as you have.

00:55:21.960 You don't purge the ranks the way they've done.

00:55:24.100 And, and so it tells, cause I mean, look, like I don't, I don't know what AOC or Nancy

00:55:30.620 Pelosi believe, like they could just be completely insane and I wouldn't be surprised at all.

00:55:35.760 But I, you know, the, the, the people up in the military, it's, it's, there's a, there's

00:55:40.260 a misconception, I think, among a lot of dissidents and people who are critical of our foreign

00:55:44.620 policy about the competence of the military.

00:55:46.460 I can tell you from extensive experience, again, not just with the units that I was in, but in

00:55:51.840 my DOD job traveling all over the world, working with dozens of different, uh, of units and

00:55:57.640 organizations that, you know, you got to have some very competent people in there.

00:56:03.560 I mean, you, you know, you have, when you get your NCO class, I mean, it is top notch.

00:56:07.500 Like we have an incredible NCO class, our officers.

00:56:11.000 Yeah. 0.93

00:56:11.160 There are people in there who are clowns and they go do their tour after they get out of 0.80

00:56:16.180 ROTC and then they get out of the Navy or whatever. 0.88

00:56:18.540 But when you get to like the O5 level, you know, when you start talking about commanders,

00:56:24.020 majors, these people are almost uniformly impressive people.

00:56:28.240 You know, they're intelligent.

00:56:29.340 They're, they're people you would want running your business, right?

00:56:32.540 Something like that.

00:56:33.560 And again, I say there's going to be exceptions, but that's generally true.

00:56:36.760 And when you get up to the higher levels, to the flag levels, you know, there's a filter

00:56:41.880 now that didn't exist in the past where, um, you know, if you go back to like World

00:56:46.660 War II, there were World War II generals whose names we know, like famous generals who, who

00:56:52.240 went on to have, you know, military equipment named after them, who literally got fired for

00:56:58.400 performance in the field in World War II.

00:57:01.780 And then after a year or two of working under somebody else, got another command and went

00:57:06.260 on to be a legend.

00:57:08.580 That would never, ever, ever in a million years happen.

00:57:11.720 Now you get up to the point where you're being evaluated for general or admiral.

00:57:17.140 If there is anything in your record whatsoever that is even remotely controversial, remotely,

00:57:25.080 that you're just not going to make it.

00:57:26.280 You're done at 06 period.

00:57:27.860 Like you're just not going to make it to the flag level.

00:57:29.700 And so it fosters this extreme risk aversion, this extreme political correctness among the

00:57:35.940 officer corps and the ones that actually make it up to that level.

00:57:38.860 You know, it's a, it's a cliche to say admirals and generals are politicians, but they absolutely

00:57:45.000 are.

00:57:45.280 You have to be, it's the only way you get to that point in the modern military.

00:57:48.600 And, um, and yet these people, they still understand their job.

00:57:54.600 You know, they understand, uh, the risks that are out there.

00:57:58.900 I mean, when it's something that's very interesting that's actually happened over the last, I would

00:58:04.560 say, especially the last 10, 15 years is, and this is so strange to say, you know, when we

00:58:11.280 think about like cold war era, Dr.

00:58:13.920 Strangelove type stuff, but almost uniformly, the DOD has been the restraining factor in our

00:58:21.220 foreign policy.

00:58:22.040 You know, they've been the ones when we, when it came to Libya, all the pushback that existed

00:58:26.380 in the federal government over our, uh, intervention in Libya was coming from the DOD.

00:58:32.000 Same thing, you know, when, when, I mean, these people are the ones who actually go out and

00:58:37.340 do the fighting. 0.99

00:58:38.420 It's their people who get killed and it's when it all goes to shit, they're the ones who get 1.00

00:58:45.680 blamed for it. 1.00

00:58:46.440 Right.

00:58:46.720 So, and, and they've, they've just had experience after experience of the last 20 years of being

00:58:51.280 thrown into an absolutely no win situation in Iraq or something, being asked to do things

00:58:56.700 that they were never designed or trained to do.

00:58:58.580 And then when it all goes to hell getting, you know, the DOD gets blamed for it and they're

00:59:04.120 aware of that.

00:59:05.220 And, you know, it's why the CIA was like literally running operations, information operations

00:59:10.680 against DOD personnel, like DOD executives who were working in Syria because those DOD executives

00:59:17.080 were refusing to send the SDF to support the CIA militias in the West.

00:59:21.140 And so they were literally running info ops in the media against these guys.

00:59:25.900 And so that, you know, there are factions in the U S government.

00:59:28.880 That's something very important for people to understand is that there are factions and

00:59:32.960 they don't all, you know, again, we had the, you know, the SDF was in combat with CIA sponsored

00:59:39.640 militias in, in Syria at times.

00:59:41.760 And so, so those do exist.

00:59:43.460 And I mean, I think maybe that's our, our one hope, you know, is that there are people

00:59:48.280 who are the ones who, who are affected when the rubber meets the road, who understand that

00:59:53.720 the people making decisions for them and for us, um, are not the people with the skin in

00:59:58.860 the game.

00:59:59.360 And, um, you know, you don't want, I don't hope for a military coup or anything, especially

01:00:04.960 with this military leadership, but you know, that, that, that might be, it might be, I mean,

01:00:10.300 it's not looking good when you look at people like Millie and everything, but, but it might

01:00:14.780 be a source, maybe the best hope for a source of resistance to the regime.

01:00:20.680 When you look at kind of the response that has now happened, we, we look at our military

01:00:26.100 and kind of what's going on, but we've had these, you know, progressives for a long time.

01:00:31.640 We've had liberals for a long time.

01:00:32.860 They've been very anti-war.

01:00:34.120 They've been very vocal about their, all of their attacks on the military industrial complex

01:00:39.120 and the American foreign policy.

01:00:40.720 And, and this has been a core part of the left for decades and decades and decades.

01:00:46.220 It's, it's been one of the most serious things for the, for the people who are the farthest

01:00:49.920 left.

01:00:50.800 And we saw how quickly that all turned on a dime, how, how a slight amount of, you know,

01:00:57.380 conservatives, you know, people in a few people in the GOP saying, maybe we shouldn't

01:01:02.420 blindly follow this.

01:01:03.400 Maybe there's some questions to ask.

01:01:04.880 Maybe, maybe we should start, you know, getting some accountability here, how immediately

01:01:09.460 they all just became the cartoon of what they accuse the McCarthyites of being right.

01:01:14.160 Everybody is a Russian trader.

01:01:15.840 Everyone is an agent of Putin.

01:01:17.640 Everyone, you know, how quickly they accelerated directly into everyone needs to be locked up,

01:01:22.320 censored.

01:01:23.220 You know, it's, everything is treason.

01:01:25.880 And when you see how radically that shift can occur in just the space of a few years, what

01:01:32.580 does that tell you of, of kind of where the left is at?

01:01:36.280 And, and the best way to put this, I, I don't think if you gave me 10 years, I could think

01:01:43.860 of a better way to put it than the way Dave Raboy put it on Twitter.

01:01:47.100 He said that the left does not have foreign enemies.

01:01:49.520 They have foreigners who remind them of their domestic enemies. 1.00

01:01:52.340 And that's the answer.

01:01:54.000 That is the answer with that, which is, which, which puts a really nasty, you know, spin on

01:02:00.460 the whole Russiagate thing.

01:02:01.900 You know, this made up story about Trump and Russia collusion, because I don't think, you

01:02:06.360 know, look, the only reason these people, the Democrats, I'm talking about voters hate

01:02:11.140 Putin so much.

01:02:12.340 And the reason they're buying into all this propaganda is because they see Putin and they

01:02:17.240 think Trump.

01:02:18.620 And it doesn't matter at this point that it was all made up.

01:02:21.640 You know, the emotional attachment has already been made.

01:02:24.460 And so, you know, it doesn't really matter.

01:02:26.880 But, you know, that, I think that is a great insight.

01:02:29.880 I mean, cause it, it really is true.

01:02:31.280 Cause I mean, think about it.

01:02:32.080 Like the left was the one, you know, they, they were always calling for detente with the

01:02:37.080 Soviet union, like, you know, ease up on the Soviet union, trying to avoid conflict or

01:02:42.900 even being critical of like the moves we were making in the, in the cold war when they weren't

01:02:47.480 directly taking, you know, the communist part in the conflicts.

01:02:50.960 And then Russia throws communism, throws communism to the side and becomes a country now that,

01:02:58.980 you know, the Russian federal government has built hundreds, I think thousands now, actually

01:03:04.260 in the last 20 years has spent government money building churches all over the country.

01:03:08.620 You know, this is the, the, the, the Russian Orthodox church has a place like at the table

01:03:13.660 in Putin's cabinet now.

01:03:15.100 And, um, you know, and this is something that they're taking very seriously.

01:03:18.460 And all of a sudden, you know, the left hates them and they're the prime enemy.

01:03:23.660 And I don't think that's a coincidence.

01:03:25.220 I think it makes perfect sense when you really think about it like that, you know, the way,

01:03:29.020 the way Ravoy put it.

01:03:30.780 Yeah.

01:03:31.740 Absolutely.

01:03:32.320 One more question before we, we kind of look at maybe some of the questions of the audience

01:03:36.480 there, you talked about kind of the, uh, the madrasas everywhere and, you know, the, how

01:03:43.640 it's now become global influences is kind of a necessary part of almost everything.

01:03:49.680 I mean, that's always been the case to some extent, right?

01:03:51.780 There's always been, uh, nations influencing each other and sending people who have a certain

01:03:56.340 level of influence into other nations and kind of messing with what they're doing.

01:03:59.700 And that's nothing new, but with the amount of interconnectedness that we're now facing,

01:04:04.380 are we can transition from a time of, of nation states or even empires to something that's

01:04:09.280 more akin to like a war of meme plexes where any, any and every military, uh, or geopolitical

01:04:16.080 kind of a situation is going to be preceded by kind of this, this large propaganda push that's

01:04:22.140 going to kind of flex combatants into one area or another.

01:04:25.360 Yes.

01:04:26.540 I mean, I don't know if, I don't know if, um, you know, I've thought about this a lot.

01:04:31.860 I've asked myself that same question a lot and, um, it's easy to see how it could go in

01:04:39.000 that direction, how nations could just, you know, they, they, they, they just can't hold

01:04:42.840 up under, under the pressures of, you know, the, the interconnected technology and communication

01:04:48.820 systems that are out there.

01:04:50.500 Uh, but then, you know, you see a country like Russia and you can, you know, you can,

01:04:55.420 you can pump all the propaganda about Ukraine that you want.

01:04:58.820 At the end of the day, they have to walk across minefields, dodging Russian artillery to achieve

01:05:04.360 their goals.

01:05:04.900 You know, I mean, one of the things that one of the things you remember when Afghanistan

01:05:10.280 was, uh, collapsing, when we were being chased out of that country and, uh, somebody leaked

01:05:17.020 somebody in the, in, in the government leaked the contents of Joe Biden's phone call in the

01:05:23.240 weeks preceding that with, uh, the Afghan president, Ghani.

01:05:26.480 And it was very striking because the contents of it were Ghani is telling Biden, look, we've

01:05:35.620 got tens of thousands of Taliban fighters supplemented by Pakistani intelligence and special

01:05:41.220 forces marching right now.

01:05:43.320 We don't have the capability to deal with this.

01:05:44.960 We need help.

01:05:45.620 We need air support.

01:05:46.500 We need this.

01:05:47.020 We need that.

01:05:47.900 And all Biden said, he said it like five times.

01:05:50.040 He said, look, the perception out there is that things are going wrong.

01:05:53.760 We need to change that perception.

01:05:55.280 Okay.

01:05:55.640 You know, you need to maybe fire this general and put somebody like who's seen as a warrior

01:06:00.060 in there because that'll change perception around the world.

01:06:02.580 We need to change the perception of what's going on.

01:06:04.880 The Taliban don't care about your perception. 0.62

01:06:07.280 They do not care.

01:06:08.400 The Taliban represent ground reality. 1.00

01:06:12.200 You know, this is a goat herder with an AK 47 who's marching on your city. 1.00

01:06:16.100 He does not care about your propaganda.

01:06:19.200 And I, but I, but it was very revealing, right?

01:06:21.700 Because like, if I don't know if you remember the, uh, the,

01:06:25.640 the president of, of Afghanistan, when it fell apart, uh, wrote a book called how to fix failed

01:06:31.100 states.

01:06:32.380 And it's an incredible book because you go through and he's talking about, you know, he's talking about countries in Africa and, you know, Somalia and so forth.

01:06:41.440 And what could be done to, to help these places and other, other failed states in the future.

01:06:45.960 This was like, I think 2010 or 11, he published it.

01:06:49.780 And I was, I'm reading it, you know, I, while Afghanistan's falling apart, I got curious.

01:06:55.160 I'm like, how was this book reviewed in like foreign policy magazine, foreign affairs magazine, et cetera.

01:07:00.540 So I went back and look glowing reviews.

01:07:03.100 Right.

01:07:03.840 And I went and found, uh, the one, there was one negative review and it was in publishers weekly.

01:07:10.800 And they were quoting certain parts of the book.

01:07:13.180 And they were talking about how, you know, he's the, the examples he's drawing on are like Singapore, you know, all these, he's using all these like modern sort of techie catchphrases about like synergistic interrelation between blah, blah.

01:07:28.240 And all these just absurd things, just completely absurd when you're talking about a country like Afghanistan. 0.97

01:07:33.640 And obviously it was proven to be absurd, but I guarantee you when that guy walked into the office of some guy at the state department or whatever, their pants just fell off to their ankles.

01:07:46.240 You know, they're, they love this guy that he was saying all the right words, saying all the things because, you know, to them, that that's reality to them.

01:07:55.460 These people live in a world of symbols, you know, in a world of words where, where that's what matters to them.

01:08:01.480 And that's what they think matters in the world.

01:08:03.640 Um, and you know, they go out and they execute policy based on that assumption.

01:08:08.080 And when they run into real world, actual resistance, you know, you see what happens.

01:08:13.780 I mean, they, they basically freak out and panic and just completely lose their minds when they need any resistance around the world.

01:08:21.140 And, uh, but yeah, I think that's, what's going on.

01:08:25.120 I think, I think that, you know, these people, they, they think in terms of perception, they think in terms of symbols and words.

01:08:30.720 And the idea that there's a reality beneath that, that they're going to have to contend with at a certain point has just, that's not been their experience for, you know, most, most of their lives.

01:08:40.860 I mean, you think about like today, think about the whole foreign policy establishment, all your GS-15s, all your SES, you know, executive service guys who are running the state department, the DOD and all these things.

01:08:53.360 You know, the Cold War ended, what, uh, 32 years ago now.

01:08:57.980 And so all those people, their entire careers have been, like all of their professional experience has been when America can just do whatever it wants.

01:09:08.320 And there's no consequences.

01:09:09.360 We can lose two wars and it's like, ah, that's embarrassing, but whatever, right?

01:09:13.500 And that's their whole, that's, that's their whole experience.

01:09:16.560 And it's not a, you know, it's, it's not a mistake that, uh, all of the guys who were very much against NATO expansion and cautioning, you know, uh, counseling caution toward, in our relations toward Russia after communism went down.

01:09:29.240 These were all old Cold Warrior guys, you know, George Kennan and stuff who would actually come up in a world where, no, you, you can't just do whatever you want.

01:09:36.760 There are other powers out there who can and will resist you and you have to learn to live in that world.

01:09:42.300 People in charge now have never lived in that world.

01:09:44.740 You know, they've only just recently been confronted with it, with Russia, and they're going insane and pushing us to the brink of nuclear war. 0.86

01:09:53.040 Absolutely.

01:09:53.720 All right, guys.

01:09:54.460 Well, we're, you've got a lot of super chats stacking up.

01:09:57.600 I don't know that we're going to get to all of these, but we'll do our best to answer a few here.

01:10:01.200 I don't want to keep Daryl forever.

01:10:02.600 He's already given me a good bit of his time.

01:10:04.800 But before we switch over to the question of the people, Daryl, where can everyone find your excellent work?

01:10:10.360 Oh, um, so I have a sub stack where I put all my podcasts and I write essays and occasionally do interviews.

01:10:18.880 If I was as good as you at doing them, I would do them all the time, but they make me nervous and I'm not great at them.

01:10:24.780 So, um, but I, I, I write essays and there's audio versions and all my podcasts go there and there's podcasts there that are for subscribers only.

01:10:33.900 It's martyrmaid.substack.com.

01:10:36.900 Um, you can, uh, look it up.

01:10:39.940 Obviously like the podcast is available.

01:10:42.000 All the history podcasts are free.

01:10:43.960 Um, they're available on iTunes or Spotify or whatever you use.

01:10:47.240 Just look up martyrmaid. 1.00

01:10:48.960 Um, and you can look up Jocko unraveling.

01:10:52.360 If you search for that, it'll come up.

01:10:53.740 There's a couple unravelings.

01:10:54.840 We actually got an angry email from an old lady who, uh, has a podcast about knitting. 0.91

01:11:01.460 You're going to get a C synthesis here.

01:11:03.800 Yeah.

01:11:04.240 And, uh, and so Jocko unraveling, and I think we've got about 35 episodes of that up now and those are there.

01:11:11.740 And it's very interesting because Jocko has a great perspective on a lot of these things.

01:11:15.780 You know, it's the guy who has commanded men in these wars we talk about a lot.

01:11:19.960 So, um, yeah, that's where you can find me.

01:11:23.820 Excellent.

01:11:24.180 All right.

01:11:24.560 Let's go over to our questions here real quick.

01:11:26.800 Uh, Matty Ice for $10.

01:11:28.480 What would Daryl think of the right, uh, really pushing that the left learned about the Franklin scandal from the 80s on the back of the Epstein, uh, interest?

01:11:37.860 I feel like that could be very effective.

01:11:40.160 Thanks.

01:11:40.520 I don't know if you're familiar.

01:11:41.860 I am.

01:11:42.580 Okay.

01:11:43.580 So, you know, the, the Franklin scandal is not the one I would focus on.

01:11:49.560 Uh, just for, for one reason is that it's very easy for that story to become very complicated.

01:11:56.480 A million different moving parts that, uh, you know, a normie that you're trying to explain this stuff to could very easily get lost in.

01:12:05.320 Um, I don't know exactly like, um, what to think about some of the stuff in the scandal.

01:12:10.680 I mean, there's something, there's something going on there for sure.

01:12:13.920 Uh, but I think it's a tougher one to explain than the Epstein stuff, for example. 0.96

01:12:19.600 I mean, Epstein, that should be a bludgeon that we just beat the regime over the head with from now until they breathe their last freaking breath.

01:12:28.260 You know, I mean, there, it is all laid out and everybody knows it. 0.94

01:12:32.440 How crazy is it that, what do the polls say?

01:12:36.080 Something like 70% of Americans, they don't think either Epstein killed himself or they think he killed himself or that he was assisted in being killed in a, in a prison in Manhattan.

01:12:47.520 Right.

01:12:48.340 Like the highest, I mean, 70% of Americans believe that and they're probably right.

01:12:54.000 And that's a great starting point.

01:12:56.460 If you're trying to like drive a wedge to open up people's minds about the nature of this regime. 0.76

01:13:00.960 I mean, this is somebody who, uh, you know, he was a serial mass pedophile and child rapist who had relationships with all of the people now making decisions in our lives.

01:13:13.820 Like, you know, telling us what to do, what we, what we can do and not do during COVID and, and everything else. 0.97

01:13:20.200 And he's got deep intelligence connections that cannot be refuted, you know, um, that, you know, that personally, I think Epstein is the one that, that, that I would beat him over the head with.

01:13:31.900 Once people learn about Epstein and they start, they start going down that rabbit hole, then Franklin for sure is, you know, it's going to be their next, their next stop.

01:13:40.620 And you've laid those details out both in podcasts and in, in an article for, I think I am 1776, right?

01:13:47.140 Yeah, I did a, uh, I did an article for I am 1776.

01:13:51.220 That was a sort of, I guess it was sort of a summary of the third episode that I did out of the three Epstein episodes, which was talking more about, you know, the, uh, a question that really, this is a question that nagged at me for a long time.

01:14:07.440 Until I sat down and did the podcast and really kind of answered it to my satisfaction, which is, you know, look, I get that these people at the top are grifters, that they're amoral and, and so on and so forth.

01:14:19.860 But, but how is it possible that this guy Epstein could move around in these powerful circles for years and years and years in a place like DC?

01:14:31.460 Like if you, if you go to DC, I mean, you know, this is a town where they will find any tiny little thing twisted out of context.

01:14:41.320 If they have to, to destroy you, if you know, you're on the other side of a mundane issue, that's being debated like this week or something, right?

01:14:49.720 Cutthroat town.

01:14:51.100 And you have the highest level politicians, Bill Clinton, people like that flying on a plane that everybody else calls the Lolita Express.

01:15:02.500 And Epstein didn't call it that.

01:15:04.220 Other people gave it that name.

01:15:06.080 So they, people knew what was going on, right?

01:15:09.140 And so you ask yourself, like, if I'm Alan Dershowitz or Bill Gates or Bill Clinton, like any person I know, every single person that I know in my personal life, right?

01:15:20.980 If they were to walk onto somebody's private plane and find a half a dozen underage girls who are not related to the guy you're there to meet at all, and he starts asking if you want a massage from them, I mean, they're either going to kill that guy or they're going to flee screaming off of that plane.

01:15:37.820 Every single person I know, probably every single person you know, that's how they react.

01:15:42.900 And yet none of these people react that way.

01:15:44.960 And you say, well, what, why, why is that?

01:15:47.940 Like, is it just, you know, the, the money or what?

01:15:52.280 And I don't think it's that.

01:15:53.360 I think it's that when you actually go through everything and you see the way these people live, when you look at like the, you know, and I cover this extensively in the podcast.

01:16:01.700 And anybody who was like sort of up on Pizzagate and everything is probably already familiar with this part of it.

01:16:06.880 But you look at the, the art collection of somebody like Tony Podesta, where he is, you know, he's got pictures in his house that are being featured in magazine photographs that are profiling his art collection in his home.

01:16:21.580 And they are pictures of dead kids on his wall, like just plain as day.

01:16:28.420 And you say, well, okay, this is the most powerful Democrat lobbyist in Washington.

01:16:32.440 How is nobody, this is the brother of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

01:16:36.160 How is no Republican hammering away on this every single day?

01:16:40.740 Why does no Democrat talk about Denny Haster?

01:16:44.140 They still talk about Nixon.

01:16:46.060 You think that they would just be bludgeoning the Republicans with Denny Haster.

01:16:49.420 Nobody mentions that.

01:16:51.480 And I think that, you know, you have a, and this is not unique to America.

01:16:56.280 This is something that happened in Europe a long time before it happened here, happened with the British gentry, happened with the French in the pre-revolutionary period, where the elites become so decadent and so immoral.

01:17:07.100 And they reach this place where I think they, you know, you know, you're, you're the king of the world.

01:17:14.480 You're, you're the, you know, you have, you're a billionaire or you're the president of the United States.

01:17:17.780 You can declare wars.

01:17:19.060 You can do anything you want.

01:17:20.140 And you want to test your freedom.

01:17:23.320 Like how much free, what can I actually do and get away with, you know, can I do the worst thing possible, you know, according to a normal person?

01:17:30.580 I think if you were to ask a normal person what the worst thing possible is, you know, it would be pedophilia.

01:17:36.980 And, you know, elites become decadent and they become arrogant with their decadence over time when they get away with it for a long time.

01:17:48.560 And that's the great thing about the Epstein story is they were so arrogant with everything, you know, and, and that a lot of this stuff happened, especially the intelligence connections and things that everything that substantiates all that happened back in the 80s and 90s.

01:18:02.260 Before anybody realized that there was going to be this thing called the internet where every document, every piece of information ever was, you know, going to be in the wild.

01:18:10.940 And, and, and it was going to be much harder to control narratives on things and control information that, you know, because of that, people were sloppy back in the day.

01:18:19.000 I mean, when you go back and look at whether it's the JFK assassination or a lot of the CIA ops back in the day, these things are not covered up very well.

01:18:27.520 And it's because he didn't really have to, because Walter Cronkite wasn't going to talk about it.

01:18:30.640 But there's a lot out there and I'll let you move on because yeah, probably want to get to more.

01:18:38.000 This is what happens.

01:18:39.000 I talk when I get nervous and I just keep talking.

01:18:41.280 Well, like I said, the good news is you've got many episodes on that.

01:18:44.600 So anybody who wants to get deep into it, absolutely can.

01:18:47.780 Death here for $5.

01:18:48.840 What do you think, who do you think is driving policy at this point?

01:18:52.480 The US, the EU, a collaboration of oligarchs or the oligarchs attempting to, attempting to power grabs?

01:19:00.840 So let's focus that question a little bit, I guess.

01:19:03.300 Do you think that, that formal governments are still the ones driving the majority of these decisions or are overarching, you know, financial or international policy concerns, the ones that are more kind of leading the approach of kind of the global American empire?

01:19:19.460 Hmm. You know, that's a, that's an interesting question because the part of the government that does actually control everything, right?

01:19:32.200 It's, it's not one of the three branches you learned about in Schoolhouse Rock.

01:19:35.820 It's the federal bureaucracy, you know, 99% of what gets done by the government is done by the bureaucracy and they operate independently of elections.

01:19:44.160 You know, even though they're supposed to work for the executive and, uh, you know, those people, they go in and out of government all the time.

01:19:52.220 And so to say like whether government is, you know, government certainly implementing the policy, how it's being driven and whose interests it's geared toward.

01:20:01.000 I mean, there's a certain element of it where we'll put it this way. There's no, in my opinion, there's no cabal of elites that are in a smoke filled room, sort of coordinating all the different things that we're concerned with.

01:20:14.220 You have interest groups who are very, very focused on this issue.

01:20:18.120 And because they are, and because they have a lot of money to push that, um, and a lot of, you know, they can hire people to dedicate all their time to pushing it, um, that they get, you know, they tend to motivated minorities, right?

01:20:30.800 Motivated and concentrated minorities get their way on the issues that they care about because they care a lot more and in a lot more organized and focused way than the majority doesn't care.

01:20:40.020 That's why no subsidy ever goes away in the government, right? Because you give somebody a subsidy and all the people who receive that have a massive interest in making sure it stays.

01:20:49.820 And your average American voter is kind of like, you know, I don't like it, I guess, but whatever, you know, I'm not going to change my vote over it.

01:20:56.740 And so that's, you know, it's a, it's really a combination of public and private interest in that sense.

01:21:01.800 I mean, I think like, uh, um, when you talk about something like Ukraine, you, you really see the, the sort of, you see how these things mix and meld together in Ukraine, right?

01:21:16.840 Because obviously there's a lot of private interests over there, um, going right up to the president and his son, as we're finding out now.

01:21:24.120 I mean, the level of corruption that the Bidens were engaged in Ukraine, not the level of it, the brazenness of it is just insane.

01:21:32.420 But, um, so obviously those private interests, you know, I'm sure there's, I'm sure Halliburton is looking forward to rebuilding Ukraine with American tax dollars or, or seized Russian assets or something.

01:21:44.160 So that, that certainly exists.

01:21:45.900 And yet when you go into, uh, the state department, you have these career employees.

01:21:50.740 They're not taking orders from some oligarch or doing something because they think it's going to help Halliburton get rich.

01:21:56.480 They do it because they're a part of this institution.

01:21:58.820 And that is the culture of the institution.

01:22:00.680 The culture of the institution is we hate Russia and we want to, we want to hurt them any way we can. 0.99

01:22:05.660 And they believe that's the way they look at it.

01:22:07.800 Yeah.

01:22:07.940 I think this is a really important thing.

01:22:09.320 And I've argued this with many people, but I'll continue to stand by this guy's political formulas are a confluence of true belief and interest.

01:22:18.040 It's not one and it's not the other.

01:22:19.680 And when you, whenever you try to separate them, you're always going to fail an analysis.

01:22:23.740 You have to look at these things as, as kind of co, uh, one coherent thing.

01:22:28.220 You know, one of, uh, George Kennan's essays, early essays about the Soviet union.

01:22:32.420 Um, I don't think it was in the long telegram, but in one of his early essays, he says exactly that as people want to know, like, did these communists over here, do they really believe this?

01:22:40.980 Or is it just, you know, they're in charge and they don't want to give that up.

01:22:44.840 So it's self-interest or whatever.

01:22:46.700 And he said that, you know, these things get mixed together and not just, you know, a person who's a true believer and a person who's cynical about it.

01:22:54.960 And they're happy, they happen to be working, you know, for the same purpose.

01:22:58.340 These things exist within the same person.

01:23:00.400 Right.

01:23:00.900 You know, um, I remember even something on a smaller scale.

01:23:04.260 Like when I was, uh, it was a question that kept coming up when I was studying the Jonestown cult. 0.94

01:23:09.200 Is it this Jim Jones guy, did he actually believe in all this stuff that he's saying, or is he, you know, he just gets to have sex with all the women and do whatever he wants. 0.98

01:23:19.100 And that's awesome. 0.99

01:23:19.760 And so he's going to do that.

01:23:21.220 Um, and the answer was both.

01:23:22.760 I mean, it was really both, you know, and that's the case in government too, especially when you talk about these career employees in places like the state department.

01:23:30.640 Yep.

01:23:31.100 I think that's absolutely the case.

01:23:32.860 All right.

01:23:33.260 Uh, Justin here for $5.

01:23:34.920 We'd love your work, Oren and Daryl.

01:23:36.660 So, uh, can either of you recommend a book on the difference between being right wing versus being conservative?

01:23:43.200 Uh, I'll say that I'll just get mine in real quick.

01:23:45.360 Um, I, I can't think of a book that, uh, specifically outlines the differences here, but if you want to understand this, read people who are a little outside of the liberal tradition, especially, uh, older books.

01:23:55.840 If you want to get an interesting comparison, look at the difference between Joseph de Maistre, Thomas Carlyle, and Edmund Burke, all talking about the French revolution.

01:24:04.580 That's a seminal event that kind of splits, uh, I think a lot of kind of the way people think about politics and turns it into kind of the modern way that we think about politics.

01:24:13.560 And each one of them, I think brings a very interesting, um, uh, way to look at that.

01:24:19.080 So that's not a direct answer, but I'd say that that's a good place to start.

01:24:22.660 If you kind of want to grasp the difference between kind of where, where right wing or conservative thought branched out, uh, kind of in one place.

01:24:30.420 Yeah.

01:24:30.840 I think that's about as good of an answer as I could come up with.

01:24:33.500 I can't think of any individual books that cover the topic, but that's a good answer.

01:24:38.180 I've got, uh, back here somewhere.

01:24:40.880 I've got correspondence between, uh, Alexis de Tocqueville and Gobineau, all their letters back and forth.

01:24:48.020 Things like that are really great, you know, to read the, the, the people from back then.

01:24:53.080 Absolutely.

01:24:53.960 Uh, Krupa Weirdo here for $2.

01:24:55.560 You guys think, uh, the people want the U S to be an empire.

01:24:58.260 Uh, Krupa Weirdo is always doing ironic treats. 0.93

01:25:00.520 So that, yeah, I appreciate that, man.

01:25:01.580 Thank you.

01:25:02.540 Uh, I mean, look, um, people are always going to be invested in the glory and power of their country.

01:25:08.440 Right.

01:25:08.780 So like people like, look, you can embark on the most immoral, insane, aggressive war imaginable.

01:25:16.860 And if you win, your people are going to be happy about it.

01:25:20.800 And they're going, you know, it's going to be remembered well by them as a great moment

01:25:24.100 in your history.

01:25:25.040 And that's sad, but that's the truth.

01:25:27.080 Right.

01:25:27.360 And if you have the most just war in the world that you can absolutely justify why you're

01:25:32.040 intervening in some place, but it doesn't go well, it's going to be remembered poorly.

01:25:36.400 Um, so that, that certainly exists.

01:25:38.500 Um, but I think overall, like if, if the question is put to them in the proper way, the answer

01:25:44.780 is obviously no, you know, because what people would rather have as a nation and you can have

01:25:49.320 an empire or you can have a nation, but you can't have both because when you have an empire,

01:25:53.500 the whole world has a stake in the decisions that are made by your government, by your country,

01:25:59.100 right?

01:25:59.380 Like legitimate stake really, you know, in, in how your country's run and the decision it

01:26:04.600 makes.

01:26:05.240 And so, you know, we talk about foreign influence in our government or whatever.

01:26:09.660 It's like, well, yeah, what do you expect?

01:26:11.600 I mean, we're, we're rampaging around the world, overthrowing governments and, you know,

01:26:15.720 picking winners and losers.

01:26:16.800 Of course they have to do that.

01:26:18.320 It's a matter of survival for a lot of these countries.

01:26:20.880 And what that means is this is not really just your country anymore.

01:26:23.980 It's the whole world's country.

01:26:25.180 And that's what happens.

01:26:27.080 If you put it to question to them properly, people do not want that people, you know,

01:26:31.100 they want to, they want a nation.

01:26:32.760 They want a government that is dedicated to them and their descendants and making sure

01:26:37.560 that they're going to be okay.

01:26:38.720 Whatever else happens in the rest of the world.

01:26:40.380 That's what people want.

01:26:42.240 Absolutely.

01:26:43.180 Watt here for $5.

01:26:44.380 Philip Drew, administrator by, uh, administrator by Colonial House is an interesting historical

01:26:50.160 curiosity showing the mindset of lignit American foreign policy.

01:26:54.380 I'm not super familiar, but I don't know.

01:26:56.360 Oh, you'd love it.

01:26:57.420 You'd love it.

01:26:57.960 It was written by Colonel House.

01:26:59.180 Yeah.

01:26:59.300 I got it up here somewhere.

01:27:00.700 Uh, Colonel House, Woodrow Wilson's like main go-to hatchet man kind of a fixer guy.

01:27:06.340 And he wrote this book, um, called Philip Drew administrator.

01:27:10.700 And it's basically, I think he wrote it maybe like, I'm pretty sure it was after the first

01:27:15.140 world war, like 1919, but, uh, it's, I mean, it's, it's basically like an outline of, it's

01:27:21.480 a utopia book to, to a certain degree.

01:27:24.120 Um, but the utopia that he puts forward is like, it's basically fascism.

01:27:28.080 And I don't mean that in a, uh, you know, the, the punitive or pejorative sense where

01:27:33.080 it's just, you know, fascism means bad government, like actual fascism.

01:27:36.340 It's pretty close to it.

01:27:37.980 And, uh, it's a fascinating read because it was very popular back in its day.

01:27:42.140 And a guy like Colonel House obviously was, uh, highly, highly influential, not just in

01:27:47.480 the, uh, Wilson administration, you know, people, people were thinking like he was thinking,

01:27:52.480 you know, among the American elite back then.

01:27:54.120 It's a great book.

01:27:55.360 Interesting.

01:27:55.500 Yeah.

01:27:55.780 I'll have to check that out then.

01:27:57.400 Uh, falling outside the normal constraints for $2 waiting for this crossover for a long

01:28:01.540 time.

01:28:01.860 Cheers.

01:28:02.200 Thank you very much, sir.

01:28:03.040 We appreciate that.

01:28:04.380 Rupert weirdo again here for $2.

01:28:06.420 Daryl stopped describing me.

01:28:08.280 Thank you again, man.

01:28:09.260 I hope he's not talking about the Epstein part.

01:28:11.020 Well, yeah, I think, I think that was from a much earlier comment.

01:28:14.100 Yeah.

01:28:14.460 But, uh, but be careful when you, when you just float those out there, you never know

01:28:18.240 when they'll actually get read.

01:28:19.580 Uh, so, uh, uh, probably still here for $5.

01:28:23.460 Uh, what is your take on the idea of the military is becoming more and more a jobs program

01:28:27.940 for the Democrats and the left's client classes?

01:28:30.380 Is that true?

01:28:31.320 What do you think is the, is the left just transforming it into another jobs program for

01:28:35.220 their coalition?

01:28:37.460 Yeah, maybe they're, maybe they have that in mind, you know, in the future to some degree.

01:28:42.400 I mean, look, the it's, it's, again, it's another cliche to say, but it's a demonstrable

01:28:47.320 fact.

01:28:47.800 And, and, and one that you can maybe even kind of understand in a certain, from a certain

01:28:51.360 perspective that, uh, you know, government jobs have, have been, uh, you know, they,

01:28:57.740 they tend to be given to groups that are disadvantaged in one way or another that we're trying to lift

01:29:02.180 up or something.

01:29:02.740 It's not a, it's not, you know, um, when you go to the DMV or go through a TSA line, it's

01:29:08.580 not a bunch of black women just because they happen to love those careers. 1.00

01:29:11.440 Like, you know, it is a jobs program to, to a degree.

01:29:14.340 And one that I think in, like in those examples is somewhat defensible, you know, if you're

01:29:18.780 trying to, uh, create a middle class among, you know, something like African-Americans,

01:29:22.800 then, you know, the, the state, local and federal bureaucracies are a way to do that.

01:29:28.280 Um, and so they have thought that way for a long time.

01:29:30.900 Um, the military, yeah, I mean, you know what I think more though, like with all the push

01:29:37.340 to bring in, you know, transsexuals and, uh, all just all the, the, the constituent parts 0.84

01:29:46.040 of the democratic coalition and, and sort of highlight them and bring them into prominent

01:29:50.440 roles and positions in the military.

01:29:53.200 I think what's going on there is, um, less a jobs program and more, um, you know, these

01:30:00.300 people are, you know, if you bring a, if you have a, a transsexual assigned to your military 0.97

01:30:07.200 unit, whether it's a ship or whatever, then that person is not a Lieutenant.

01:30:13.560 That person is not, you know, a petty officer, whatever.

01:30:16.860 That is a commissar.

01:30:18.180 That is what that person is there to do.

01:30:19.920 That is a person who, that is a political commissar, just like the Soviet Union.

01:30:23.680 They had a communist party apparatchik attached to every military unit that they had at the

01:30:29.460 highest levels, all the way down to the smallest ones.

01:30:31.540 And their job was to maintain the ideological integrity of those units.

01:30:36.600 And you don't need a whole lot of people to do that, you know, and, um, and that's what

01:30:41.160 I think those people are for.

01:30:42.360 I mean, and it, hopefully, you know, I mean, it's, it's very, it's a very effective system

01:30:47.900 once it's in place.

01:30:49.520 Nope.

01:30:49.960 I don't think you're wrong about that.

01:30:51.140 All right.

01:30:51.360 David Setchel here for $10, both your takes on Kubono from, uh, situations like these, uh,

01:30:57.980 20 years in Afghanistan, I think you already touched on this some, but yeah, who benefits 1.00

01:31:02.100 from 20 years in Afghanistan?

01:31:03.600 The military, uh, officers who are trying to make a name for themselves, politicians, defense

01:31:09.340 contractors, but what is losing a war for 20 years gain anybody?

01:31:13.960 Oh, no.

01:31:14.660 I mean, they didn't intend on losing the war, you know, um, the, uh, I mean, look, you can

01:31:20.680 look back in retrospect now and I think make a very good case that it was just from the

01:31:27.060 beginning, a huge mistake to go into Afghanistan.

01:31:30.360 There's, I think, fairly solid evidence that, you know, we probably could have gotten, uh,

01:31:37.280 bin Laden at Tora Bora, but we let him escape because if we kill bin Laden, then all right, 0.84

01:31:42.180 the war's over and nobody's going to want to go to Iraq or anywhere else. 0.96

01:31:45.480 Right.

01:31:45.800 Cause we did what we needed to do after 9-11.

01:31:48.160 I think there's a good case for those things.

01:31:50.660 Um, but once you start getting into the meat of the war, you know, five, 10 years in, um,

01:31:58.040 these things tend to have like an institutional momentum of their own, you know, where if

01:32:05.740 you're the, from the president all the way on down, if you're the president, you don't

01:32:08.820 want to be the president that this war was officially lost under.

01:32:12.520 Right.

01:32:12.860 So you're going to drag it out and let the next guy deal with it.

01:32:15.880 You go down and you're a general in charge of this.

01:32:18.260 You know, you've been assigned to lead all forces in Afghanistan.

01:32:21.760 Well, like what, of course, what are you going to ask for?

01:32:23.880 Of course, you're going to ask for more resources to do the job and, you know, and, and an expanded

01:32:28.660 mission because that's what you're there to do.

01:32:31.600 I mean, you know, you're not there to, to, to challenge the purpose of the war or anything.

01:32:36.140 And so it goes all the way down where, you know, you, you have institutions and all the

01:32:41.840 individuals in that institutions following, you know, very just mundane incentives, basically

01:32:47.620 that, uh, all together add up to, you know, a larger policy that, that ends up being disastrous.

01:32:55.800 But you also have to think about too, like Cui Bono is one way to put it, but I don't

01:32:59.680 know the Latin for who is harmed by something.

01:33:03.260 Kemal, maybe something like that, uh, but anyway, uh, you know, the fact is that none of

01:33:10.060 these people were harmed by any of this, you know, there's not a single person that, you

01:33:15.100 know, had, had anybody probably in their families, anybody that they knew probably in their social

01:33:22.140 circle who was killed or had their legs blown off in one of these wars, it does not affect

01:33:26.580 them at all.

01:33:28.560 And, you know, the people talk a lot about how to, how to impose a certain amount of skin

01:33:36.020 in the game on political leaders.

01:33:38.040 It's really hard to do in our system.

01:33:39.640 And I really don't know how you do, how you do it, but, um, it, it, the fact that it doesn't

01:33:45.260 exist certainly leads to some bad outcomes.

01:33:47.980 Absolutely.

01:33:48.480 All right.

01:33:48.720 Let's lightning round these last few here.

01:33:50.420 All right. 0.65

01:33:50.580 Death for $5. 0.56

01:33:51.800 We're in the same mindset of pre-US entering the war in 1941 and directly firing on German

01:33:56.700 and Japanese boats.

01:33:58.240 Lend lease, uh, to Stalin, China, UK.

01:34:00.860 Yep.

01:34:01.020 I think we can all agree that we're, we're kind of testing those waters, pretending like

01:34:04.920 nothing bad is going to happen, but, but, uh, getting far, far too close here.

01:34:08.840 Uh, MG for one 99 or, and you got Daryl on now, uh, can you get Jocko on?

01:34:13.800 Well, at least now I know a guy, so yeah, no, we can get, we can get, uh, Jocko here.

01:34:18.700 Sounds great.

01:34:19.160 All right.

01:34:19.900 Uh, Fogo here for nine 99.

01:34:22.080 Thank you very much.

01:34:22.880 Why are the GOP senators from the South unable to understand the Ukrainian situation?

01:34:28.620 I would say that a lot of that is again, just due to kind of the, uh, the momentum of we've

01:34:35.040 got to support these things.

01:34:36.120 It's all about national security.

01:34:37.920 Obviously there's a lot of self-interest built into these things too.

01:34:40.780 These guys want to sit on boards and stuff when they're done.

01:34:42.740 Uh, but, uh, but I think that's probably, uh, the main reason for that.

01:34:47.320 Yeah.

01:34:47.680 It's also, you have, you know, these people, when you're talking about a Senator, especially,

01:34:50.620 I mean, this dude is a dude or lady, I guess, but, um, this person's part of the system.

01:34:56.540 If you're a Senator, right.

01:34:57.920 I mean, you're a part of the program, the, you know, the only exceptions you ever really

01:35:01.780 get, you know, are, and this is a limited exception, but you know, somebody like JD Vance

01:35:07.880 who had a public profile of his own, a certain amount of like populist profile.

01:35:12.820 And, and obviously his book was famous so that, you know, he could, he could push that

01:35:17.380 through on his own, similar to how Trump didn't really need the support of the party infrastructure.

01:35:21.580 But most senators, you get into that position after a long, long, long vetting process,

01:35:27.740 you know?

01:35:28.560 And, um, so I think the people who make it to that level think this way on Ukraine.

01:35:34.300 That's just how it shakes out.

01:35:36.380 Right.

01:35:36.420 Uh, life of Brian here for $5.

01:35:38.500 The narcissism of our elites is akin to watching a pro basketball player against YMCA standouts.

01:35:43.340 Our institutions cultivate and select for narcissists.

01:35:46.920 Uh, again, yeah, I think, I think that's exactly right.

01:35:49.900 Uh, Seth cook here for $5.

01:35:51.840 Daryl, I recall you having a controversial opinion reading on the book of Job.

01:35:55.420 Why do you not subscribe to the typical reading application?

01:35:58.340 Um, I'll tell you what, this is not the time or place for that.

01:36:01.420 It would take a while.

01:36:02.360 So, um, I will, I'll tell you what,

01:36:04.920 I'll write an essay on my sub stack and I'll make it available to everybody.

01:36:09.580 And I'll try to get that done in the next week or two.

01:36:12.260 Excellent.

01:36:12.500 That sounds fascinating.

01:36:13.380 I'm looking forward to reading that one.

01:36:15.300 And then, uh, Riven James F cube for $9.99.

01:36:19.040 Thank you, Daryl.

01:36:20.160 Are you tracking the national, the Christian nationalism debates on Twitter and elsewhere?

01:36:24.960 If so, thoughts again, that's a, that's a large question, but, uh, yeah, just, just maybe

01:36:29.920 your, your quick thought on the Christian nationalism.

01:36:32.420 Is it going to solve everything?

01:36:33.880 Is it going to pull everybody together?

01:36:34.920 Um, it's a nice thought, uh, but I don't think so, man.

01:36:44.940 Like, but, you know, don't listen to me on, on things like this.

01:36:47.360 For one reason is that my honest, if I'm being perfectly honest with you, like I fully believe

01:36:53.380 people should be very deeply engaged in their local communities, local politics and state

01:36:59.520 politics, and you should vote in federal elections to try to stave off the damage that the federal

01:37:05.580 government can do to you. 0.99

01:37:07.300 Um, but I don't think that the federal system is salvageable.

01:37:11.380 I don't, I don't think that the, the, the United States as a coast to coast political unit

01:37:17.040 is something that you can't, we just, you're not going to go backwards.

01:37:20.940 You know, these things, this is liberalism and leftism in general is, uh, you know, it's,

01:37:28.800 it's, it's not a program.

01:37:30.320 It's a process like rust or corrosion.

01:37:33.080 And we have, you know, we've, we've gone so far down that path that, you know, the,

01:37:42.020 I was arguing with people about this the other day on Twitter, all the frogs were coming after

01:37:45.880 me because like kind of my national pastime to piss them off and get into a big fight with

01:37:50.340 them.

01:37:50.500 But the, uh, you know, the, the, the idea that the, that the federal government is going

01:37:55.940 to be reformed, we were talking about immigration and they were talking about, well, you know,

01:37:59.880 we can deport all the illegal immigrants and retroactively get rid of birthright citizenship 1.00

01:38:06.120 for all the people who, you know, we're, and I'm like, come on, man, give me a break. 0.65

01:38:10.100 Like the people, people who hate you and hate everything you stand for control every single

01:38:17.500 institution.

01:38:18.900 They're, they've shown, they're fully willing to use those institutions against anybody

01:38:23.780 who challenges them.

01:38:24.640 And people will say, well, yeah, but the left took over institutions.

01:38:27.960 Why can't we take them back?

01:38:29.440 Because the left knows you're coming.

01:38:31.560 That's why, you know, the, the wasps, the wasp power structure who were, you know, these

01:38:36.820 liberal wasps who were in control of the power structure, the Nelson Rockefeller types back

01:38:41.040 in the mid 20th century, they had no idea what they were facing.

01:38:45.020 And by the time anybody had any idea of what was going on, it was too late.

01:38:49.380 It was already done.

01:38:50.440 The left, they know you're coming and they're, they're not going to do that.

01:38:54.220 I mean, if you, you know, they'll, they'll steal elections if they have to, and when you

01:38:58.660 protest it, they will execute you on camera and give the murderer a medal, you know?

01:39:04.180 And so what, you know, people think that's a black pill to me, it's not a black pill because

01:39:10.120 it's not what time it is, right?

01:39:12.320 Yeah.

01:39:12.680 The fact that the federal system is lost is not, uh, is not the end of the story.

01:39:17.600 There's still a ton to fight for and a ton to do.

01:39:20.360 It's just going to be on a smaller level, you know, on a more local level.

01:39:23.660 Whether the feds like it or not, um, states, county sheriffs, towns, municipalities, especially

01:39:30.680 if they work together, you know, a group of states or have a ton of, of power.

01:39:36.140 And this is not 1861.

01:39:38.460 The feds are not going to raise the militia and send them down to invade Idaho because

01:39:43.140 you're, you know, calling yourself a second amendment sanctuary state or something like

01:39:47.760 that's not going to happen.

01:39:49.320 And, um, you know, that's where I think all of our focus should be.

01:39:53.660 Of course, you know, the part of the problem is we're a nation of transience at this point. 0.99

01:39:58.780 You know, we probably always have been to some degree.

01:40:01.420 We were a bunch of outcasts from Europe and the rest of the world who showed up on the

01:40:05.420 East coast.

01:40:06.240 The people who still couldn't fit in and their new communities on the East coast moved to

01:40:10.200 the Midwest.

01:40:10.680 The ones who still couldn't fit in kept moving to the West until they crashed into the Pacific 0.86

01:40:15.540 Ocean.

01:40:16.000 And that's the mentality we still have today, right?

01:40:18.440 It's a frontier mentality.

01:40:19.740 I don't like it here.

01:40:20.600 I'm not going to plant my flag and stand and fight.

01:40:23.120 I'm going to move to Texas, right?

01:40:24.480 That's what everybody that I know in California is doing.

01:40:27.300 And that's what I'm going to probably end up doing.

01:40:30.500 Um, is that good or bad?

01:40:32.860 I mean, it just, you know, it's a coordination problem, you know, is what it is.

01:40:37.360 And, uh, coordination problems are much easier to solve on a smaller scale.

01:40:41.760 So, yeah, no, I think there's, there's a lot to impact there, but I think in general, the

01:40:46.260 emphasis on understanding that, uh, the local is what's going to be important and not sitting

01:40:50.960 around hoping that one, uh, that one election saves, uh, the entire national system is certainly

01:40:56.020 the right way to look at everything.

01:40:57.600 All right, guys, well, we got to go ahead and go, but thank you so much for coming on

01:41:00.880 Daryl guys.

01:41:01.740 If it's your first time on this, uh, channel, make sure that you go ahead and subscribe to the

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01:41:14.120 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and go, but again, thank you so much for coming

01:41:17.520 on Daryl.

01:41:18.100 And as always, everybody, I'll talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 01, 2023

Are We the Baddies？｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 8⧸1⧸23

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 01, 2023

Are We the Baddies？ ｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 8⧸1⧸23

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Are We the Baddies？｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 8⧸1⧸23