Ben Shapiro Calls Candace Owens Disgraceful ｜ 11⧸15⧸23
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Summary
Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire and Jeremy Boring of The Weekly Standard joins me in this episode to talk about the ongoing conflict between the old guard and the new guard in the left wing of the political spectrum, and why it s important to have multiple voices on a network like the Daily Wire.
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So on Monday, I was talking to you about the ongoing leftist civil war
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You now have two distinct factions inside the left-wing movement.
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You have the more woke, radical, progressive version of leftism.
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And they are obviously pushing a decolonization narrative
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They are viewing this whole thing through the oppressor-oppressed lens,
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And they say this is the way that we should understand this conflict.
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And then you have the more established, liberal version of the left-wing movement.
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And they are continuing their traditional support for the state of Israel.
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And this is creating a really interesting old guard, new guard dynamic inside that movement,
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an interesting rift between kind of the new and the old on that side.
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However, what I didn't see coming was that we would see another version of this dynamic
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play out in another area of the political spectrum.
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Now, recently, video has surfaced of Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire
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talking about one of the hosts on his network, Candace Owens,
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So we see here Shapiro repeatedly call Owens disgraceful.
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Now, you have to understand, when there are networks like this,
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When you have multiple hosts, there's going to be multiple viewpoints,
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It would be extremely boring if you had a news network
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where every single host, every single columnist had exactly the same view.
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If you had this one unified take on every headline, on every policy decision,
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then there would be really no reason to have multiple people on the network.
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You could just have one guy march out, give the opinion in the network,
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And so when you have a network, you're going to have multiple personalities,
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and at some point those personalities are going to disagree.
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Even when you have a network that is supposed to be somewhat ideologically aligned, right?
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And so, in general, the people there have a similar vision
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about kind of where America should be going and what it looks like,
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But, again, you don't want lockstep uniformity.
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That defeats the whole purpose of having a network.
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and I think it's great that there are multiple voices that are heard.
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One of the reasons I'm with them is I have never run into a scenario
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even if it's different from some of the other hosts on the network.
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That's a good dynamic for any of these organizations.
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However, this is really important because Ben Shapiro is not just some host on the Daily Wire.
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He is the founding guy of the Daily Wire, along with Jeremy Boring.
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He's arguably the biggest host on the Daily Wire,
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and he clearly has a good amount of editorial control
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when it comes to the voice that Daily Wire is trying to project as a network.
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So when he comes out and directly attacks basically what is one of his employees,
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Now, you can understand why Ben is passionate about this issue.
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He probably has a large amount of family or friends directly involved
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Sometimes it feels like he gets pretty heated on this stuff,
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But what you have here is that kind of in this scenario with that passion and with this audience,
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he seems willing to go directly after Owens and call her motives into question.
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but he also says that there's faux sophistication
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and that everyone can see the moves that she's making.
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And that implies what she's doing is somehow premeditated or planned or disingenuous,
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that it's not really her position or that it's calculated to get her something out of this.
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And that's a really interesting thing for him to say.
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I mean, looking at what Owens has said, is there really anything that's super objectionable?
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I haven't seen everything she said on the issue, but from what I can tell,
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She really just seems to be coming at this from a more neutral position.
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She looks at the scenario from what I can tell, she hasn't said anything like,
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or I think that Israel shouldn't be able to defend itself
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or questioning Israel's right to, to exist or any of that stuff.
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It seems like she's generally said, okay, this is terrible,
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And if you say no, then you're in some pretty serious trouble with him.
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And I don't think that's a really healthy thing to do for the conservative movement.
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Look, there's a lot of people like myself, like Tucker Carlson,
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and it seems to some extent like Candace Owens,
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They have a right to take action in this scenario.
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However, as an American, I think this is Israel's problem.
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A lot of people say, oh, no, if you voice any kind of concern
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about the next steps that might be taken, then you're anti-Israel, I think, or anti-Jewish.
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what happened directly after the beginning of this conflict,
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You had the Republicans immediately call for billions and billions of dollars in spending to Israel,
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a country that does not need American tax dollars.
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It's a wealthy, first world nation that is very sophisticated, both technologically and militarily.
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And apparently they need to be, when you look at what happened, what Hamas did.
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But the point is, they don't need American money.
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Just handing someone $15 billion when your country is in a number of very serious crises,
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just so you can signal your political bona fides is a terrible idea.
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It makes no sense for people who are supposed to be America first,
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who are supposed to be prioritizing the United States and the well-being of its people
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I don't think it's disgraceful to express that viewpoint.
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And again, you can see how people were very interested in immediately involving the United
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States and kind of the fallout of what would happen here.
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There was just an article run in the Wall Street Journal authored by two people,
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one who was a former Mossad director and one who was an Israeli ambassador to the United Nations.
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And it said, look, the West needs to be willing to take in Gazan refugees.
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The West, because so many of these people have been displaced by the violence,
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they need to be allowing Palestinian refugees into their countries.
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Look, if Israel does not want to have Palestinians in their own country,
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why would these people belong in any Western country, right?
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The West already has huge problems, especially when it comes to Europe with Muslim migration
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into those countries, the way it has transformed those countries, that has transformed their
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There's large blocks of Muslim immigrants who are not assimilating into their culture.
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And the United States certainly does not need potentially terrorist sympathizing immigrants
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Again, if they don't belong in Israel, then they certainly don't belong in European nations
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But this is the kind of stuff that many people, myself included, were worried about when there
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was this immediate rush to saying anything, everything.
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And just like any other nation, they can exist to the extent that they can defend themselves.
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I know that sounds harsh, but that's just true.
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If you're a nation, your first job is your ability to maintain your territorial integrity
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and to defend the people of your nation against harm.
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Israel seems to understand that, and they're working very hard to do exactly that.
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And there's no reason why European nations or the United States shouldn't have exactly
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And that means not allowing people into their nation that Israel wouldn't allow into their
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It simply doesn't make any sense from a preservation standpoint.
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There's no reason to go out and signal yourself as supporting things that are going to hurt
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your country, even though something terrible happened to another country.
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And I think once again, we see a generational split on the right when it comes to this.
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You have the old guard of the right, the more neoconservative version of the right.
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But whatever they need, whatever's going on, we have to immediately evolve ourselves.
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We have people like Nikki Haley saying that the United States wouldn't exist without Israel.
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And there's just, you can feel how stale and old that is and how much it's not supported
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kind of by the newer crop of the right, the newer, younger conservative crowd.
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Again, a lot of people who have sympathy for Israel, a lot of people who agree with its
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But they just don't want to see American troops, American tax dollars.
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They don't want to see America in general involving itself unnecessarily with a foreign
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Again, if it was directly in the interest of the United States, that might be a question
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Or if there was even some dynamic where Israel couldn't afford or it was fighting a vastly
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superior enemy, I still don't think I would probably support that.
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But at least then there would be an argument as to why the United States would need to ship
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them billions of dollars and why it would need to consider, you know, moving carrier
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groups and accepting refugees and all this stuff.
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At least there would be some kind of dynamic where that would make sense.
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I don't think it makes Candace Owens disgraceful or conniving or disingenuous for simply saying,
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I think America's interest should be forefront.
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And I think it's totally reasonable for us to ask questions about U.S. involvement in foreign
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conflicts before we just go diving in head first.
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I don't think it's really a good thing to have this civil war between conservatives as
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I think there's a very common sense position that everyone should be able to reach where
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Israel is a sovereign nation with the right to defend its territorial integrity.
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But it is a sovereign nation and the United States simply does not need to involve itself
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directly in any kind of aid or conflict or refugee resettlement.
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But again, if refugees are too dangerous or violent or they wouldn't fit in culturally
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in Israel, they certainly aren't going to fit in in Alabama or in Germany.
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There's just no reason for them to relocate, be relocated there.
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I think there should be the allowance for differences inside kind of the conservative
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You should be able to think about this in different ways, express those opinions.