The Auron MacIntyre Show - Biden Bails Out, Endorses Kamala ｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 7⧸22⧸24

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00:00:30.660 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.580 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.540 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:38.940 So last week, a few things happened.

00:00:41.320 A couple events that we might need to catch up on.

00:00:44.500 Every time I try to plan out what I'm going to be doing on the show,

00:00:47.240 apparently just a historical event breaks out and we have to cover that instead.

00:00:52.160 Obviously on Sunday afternoon, rather,

00:00:56.000 Joe Biden, or at least whoever controls Joe Biden's Twitter account,

00:00:59.600 announced that Joe Biden will not be running for president.

00:01:02.780 He's not resigning from his current position.

00:01:05.600 He's not stepping down so that Kamala Harris can take charge of the nation.

00:01:09.300 However, he is ending his presidential run.

00:01:12.320 And in a separate tweet, then Kamala Harris was endorsed.

00:01:16.860 So is this real?

00:01:18.280 Are we watching anything that resembles the actual will of Joe Biden, the president of the United States?

00:01:24.060 Or is this largely a manufactured event coming from the media, other movers and shakers inside the Democratic Party?

00:01:32.140 Are we witnessing a palace coup?

00:01:33.940 Discussing all of that with me today is Daryl Cooper of the Martyr Maid podcast.

00:01:38.400 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:40.240 Anytime, brother.

00:01:41.020 I know normally we sit here and we try to delve deep into some kind of big idea,

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00:01:48.400 But I figured this one time, actually, we are watching some form of history being made.

00:01:53.840 If nothing else, we're watching a radical shift in the way that politicians communicate with the populace.

00:02:00.160 And, you know, if these choke points really matter in a moment of crisis,

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00:03:36.200 All right, Daryl.

00:03:37.220 So, like I said, this is a very odd way for a president to go ahead and let us know

00:03:42.120 that he is too sick or otherwise incapable to go ahead and run for president.

00:03:47.820 But he is capable of running a country.

00:03:52.280 Now, a lot of people jumped to the question,

00:03:54.960 is this a coup?

00:03:56.200 Because obviously what we see here is just a letter.

00:03:59.820 It's posted on the social media account.

00:04:03.560 Is it strange that, you know, we're this first world, you know, globe-spanning empire,

00:04:08.960 but we have to do all this criminology to figure out who might happen to be in charge of,

00:04:14.500 I guess, you know, the greatest superpower in world history?

00:04:17.200 Yeah, I guess it's sort of like the question, can Satan cast out Satan, you know?

00:04:23.420 Like, can the system that's currently in power run a coup against itself?

00:04:28.600 Because I think that's kind of what we've seen.

00:04:30.500 I mean, certainly in the Trump years, but then very glaringly in the Biden years,

00:04:34.840 and now sort of obvious to everybody,

00:04:38.500 that, you know, this old idea that other countries, you know,

00:04:42.000 Iraq under Saddam Hussein, you know, Russia under Putin,

00:04:45.000 they have something you can call a regime.

00:04:46.840 We don't have a regime over here.

00:04:48.280 We have a representative government that we all participate in, you know,

00:04:52.600 and cooperate to make decisions about our, you know, general direction

00:04:57.860 and to express our will.

00:04:59.780 And people have kind of seen very, very clearly, I think,

00:05:03.080 over the last decade or so, that, you know, that that's kind of a Wizard of Oz

00:05:08.640 and there's somebody stirring behind the curtain.

00:05:10.540 Hmm. And, you know, Pete, you know, you mentioned in your book, actually,

00:05:18.520 that something about, I think you were talking, maybe, maybe you were quoting

00:05:22.500 the juvenile or, anyway, you mentioned that people often have an exaggerated idea

00:05:29.400 of how much unitary power is wielded by like a ruler in the past,

00:05:35.060 like a king or something, you know?

00:05:37.040 And that applies to like modern dictators, too.

00:05:39.300 People think Putin's like the god emperor of Russia, but really he's just the guy

00:05:44.020 who has the most sort of general trust among different interest groups

00:05:49.120 and power centers and with the public to arbitrate the disputes

00:05:52.560 between those power centers, right?

00:05:54.040 It's where his legitimacy derives from.

00:05:57.060 And over the last several years, as people have started to see those stirrings

00:06:00.220 behind the curtain of the Wizard of Oz, you know, that bias sort of kicks in

00:06:04.680 and they want to know, like, who's doing this?

00:06:06.500 Who owns the U.S. government?

00:06:08.040 Who's really running the show?

00:06:10.860 And, you know, again, if they have read your book, as all of you have,

00:06:15.740 and if you have not, shame on you, you know, they would know that a sort of mature,

00:06:22.360 hypertrophied state apparatus like the one that we toil under,

00:06:26.640 you know, that power is more diffuse than that and that almost no individual person

00:06:33.020 is really indispensable.

00:06:35.160 Get rid of almost anybody.

00:06:36.980 There's very few people that are able to really assert that kind of authority.

00:06:40.860 And what we've seen, you know, very glaringly in the last two administrations

00:06:46.420 is that the president, we've gotten to a point where the administrative state

00:06:50.980 has grown to such a degree and acquired so much self-awareness that, you know,

00:06:59.280 the president, they prefer, they would much prefer a president who was a vegetable.

00:07:05.440 You know, they would much prefer a president who was happy to be here,

00:07:08.740 happy to go out and kiss babies and take the heat when things go wrong that,

00:07:13.400 you know, as far as policies that the bureaucracy makes, you know,

00:07:16.300 they take the heat for it and get swapped out if necessary to make it seem like,

00:07:21.620 you know, something has changed and so forth.

00:07:23.760 But that the permanent state back there is really running things.

00:07:28.380 And that's just, it's very, I mean, they're actually coming out and saying that now, right?

00:07:31.700 You're not electing Joe Biden, you're electing a team.

00:07:34.780 And they say that like, it's a good thing.

00:07:36.520 And, you know, what they're really saying is, you know,

00:07:39.980 you're electing an empty vessel so that the system can continue to run itself.

00:07:47.580 And, you know, so you ask yourself, like, you know, is it really a palace coup

00:07:53.080 if the people who were currently in power anyway are, you know,

00:07:59.420 swapping out a front man to maintain the power that they have?

00:08:04.040 I guess it sort of is, but, you know, really for it to be a coup,

00:08:07.740 you'd have to have a transfer of power and you'd have to assume that Joe Biden actually had any power.

00:08:13.500 And I think it's obvious to everybody at this point that he didn't, you know,

00:08:17.340 you have to probably go back to a guy like H.W. Bush, maybe, you know,

00:08:22.460 a guy who had been like the head of the CIA, like he was in the system,

00:08:27.040 like he'd been up at the top of this apparatus and had enough just sort of,

00:08:32.220 you know, he was the guy that the system, he'd been at the top of the system.

00:08:35.300 And now, you know, he's the president.

00:08:37.380 And so he probably could, you know, swing a stick around and get what he wanted

00:08:43.320 because he'd been in that position.

00:08:44.740 But that's only because of his history, like in those agencies and institutions, you know.

00:08:49.420 Now, you see what happens when you get a guy like Donald Trump who, you know,

00:08:55.780 you love him or hate him, like he had this misconception that the president has Article 2 authority

00:09:00.520 according to the Constitution.

00:09:01.940 And I saw Schoolhouse Rock when I was a kid.

00:09:04.040 And by God, the executive agencies, why they work for the president.

00:09:08.080 And, you know, he had that silly idea in his head.

00:09:11.320 And, you know, that's, I mean, they attacked him like an immunological response, you know.

00:09:18.880 Speaking of that kind of difference between Biden and Trump,

00:09:23.120 obviously Trump is somebody that the regime hated, but even the GOP establishment hated.

00:09:28.580 They did everything they could, even after the fact that he had this amazing amount of loyal followers.

00:09:34.800 There were these people who were willing to go to the wall for this guy,

00:09:38.500 even though I think in a lot of ways he let them down.

00:09:41.620 And they still had that perpetual support.

00:09:44.460 And the GOP still tried to bury him.

00:09:46.420 And they tried to find any way to kind of get rid of him.

00:09:48.940 And they weren't able to do it.

00:09:51.180 Joe Biden is dismantled by basically one news cycle, right?

00:09:55.340 Like just out of nowhere.

00:09:56.520 And you have to ask yourself, what does that mean?

00:09:59.600 Because I think the Democrats, obviously, a Democratic president relies on the news media.

00:10:05.640 Like you said, it's not a real shift in power.

00:10:08.180 It's just one organism of power continuing.

00:10:10.560 It might shift whatever puppet it's holding, shaking in front of you at the moment.

00:10:13.980 But it continues on regardless of it's Biden or Harris or whoever they happen to be presenting.

00:10:19.400 However, Trump really does, at least at some level, represent a break from that system.

00:10:25.720 And so he cannot be so easily unseated from his position because the support he has is organic in a way that somebody like Biden or Harris couldn't possibly have.

00:10:36.800 Maybe Obama, due to the historical significance of his campaign, might have had that level of push against the system if he really wanted it.

00:10:44.840 But someone like Biden or Harris just kind of gets completely folded over in a way that Trump doesn't because they are completely astroturfing.

00:10:51.840 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to add to that.

00:10:58.840 That's that's exactly right.

00:11:00.680 You know, when you talk about somebody who has a populist mandate and you can say Obama, you know, Obama was astroturf to a certain degree, but he earned a populist mandate, you know, by performing well when he was on stage and doing what he was supposed to do.

00:11:14.660 So you do get a you know, you get a you get a base of organized support that that that is not under the direct control of the permanent government.

00:11:28.620 Right. That's why Trump.

00:11:30.180 I mean, look, there's a reason why it has nothing to do with.

00:11:34.740 I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with ideology.

00:11:36.760 That's not necessarily true, but there's a reason why.

00:11:39.340 Like, MAGA, despite the fact that four years in office, it pretty much did what a Republican would do.

00:11:48.780 You know, maybe a few fringes here and there were different and so forth, but basically, basically did, you know, nothing that was it was real radical that anybody would have considered radical even 10 years ago.

00:12:00.840 So but despite that, you know, the reason that the system reacted so so violently against MAGA is because that coalition that it brought together, you know, those forgotten sort of working and middle class whites in the middle of the country.

00:12:16.000 The people who, you know, who the people who are willing to who are willing, but maybe have been afraid to point out just the glaring ridiculousness of a lot of what they're being told that they have to believe and say in public, you know, no matter who they are, that that's a coalition.

00:12:38.320 It's probably the only coalition that if it really came together and fell in behind, you know, a group of leaders or a single leader could really challenge the power of of the permanent system, you know, really could.

00:12:52.760 Like, if you look at the Democratic coalition, it's all broken up.

00:12:56.480 It's a bunch of warring groups.

00:12:58.080 You know, you've got pro-Palestine people and Zionist Jews.

00:13:00.960 You've got women and trans and Muslims, you know, like it's just any one of those can be played off against the other at any given time, isolated as necessary and moved off to the side and very easily managed. 0.87

00:13:14.240 Right.

00:13:15.240 None of them, none of those groups individually can bring 75 million people out and out to the polls.

00:13:22.340 You know, after four years of just an incessant, full spectrum propaganda campaign against their candidate and still be able to do that.

00:13:32.100 None of those can do that.

00:13:32.980 Only only that coalition is capable of that.

00:13:36.020 And that's, you know, that's why they're that's why they're afraid of it.

00:13:40.360 And, you know, it's I mean, by the time we finish recording this, you know, who knows, Biden might be announced that, you know, he's he's stuffed in a freezer in the White House basement.

00:13:52.340 Awaiting his funeral at this point.

00:13:54.040 Like, I'm really at the point where, you know, he needs to show up to like a major league baseball game in front of thousands of people and take a DNA test on the field and have like the test evaluated with the machinery or whatever, like right there in front of me before.

00:14:11.280 Otherwise, I'm just going to assume like everything is a deep fake, like the dude is stuffed in a White House, you know, freezer.

00:14:17.520 And, you know, I mean, you know, the crazy thing is that we're sort of at this weird point now, right, where, you know, there's like polls.

00:14:30.340 I don't want to change the subject too much, but I'll get around to it.

00:14:33.120 Like the there are polls that show that like 70 percent of Americans think that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in prison.

00:14:40.840 Right. And that the whole thing is a cover. It's like 70 percent.

00:14:43.580 And so you think, OK, so if 70 percent of people think there was this, you know, this mass pedophile ring that had information on all sorts of powerful people who got who went to prison and then was murdered in prison.

00:14:59.440 And then there was a huge cover up. Well, surely, you know, we're where are the protests, right?

00:15:06.100 There must be riots in the streets. Why? There must be. But of course, none of that's the case.

00:15:10.600 People just kind of became a joke, like people just kind of laugh at it, like, oh, he got Epstein or whatever.

00:15:15.240 Like, it's just a joke. And I don't know that has something to do with, you know, the difference in the way we we receive and digest information now, media, you know,

00:15:26.200 through the Internet and social media or what it is. But it seems like no matter what it is, everything just sort of becomes a piece of content.

00:15:34.200 And gets thrown up into the quote unquote discourse and batted around for a while, and then it just sort of takes its place in the meme sphere and we and we move on.

00:15:44.140 And so, I mean, you know, I think that's one of the reasons January 6th kind of shook them as much as it did, is it's always sort of been that way.

00:15:51.620 Like, yeah, we yeah, they stole the election. Everybody believes that everybody knows that.

00:15:55.980 Ha ha ha. Isn't that funny? You know, when they steal it again in 2032, people will say, oh, he got Trumped, you know, and it's just sort of a big joke.

00:16:05.340 And nobody really does anything except for maybe online or whatever.

00:16:08.980 And when that broke out into the real world, like that's something that they just weren't really prepared for.

00:16:15.240 And and, you know, they they've reacted against it in such a draconian and disproportionate way, I think, because of that.

00:16:22.780 But and so. Yeah, I don't know, man, like the thing is, like anything like it could be with all the stuff that's happened over like the last eight years or so, 10 years now, like anything could be true.

00:16:39.400 I mean, like if the Epstein thing happened, anything could be true. If, you know, the whole just any number of things like the Russiagate madness for, you know, for three years going from, you know, during covid just in the blink of an eye going from get in your house or we'll arrest you to go out into the streets and riot.

00:16:59.440 We celebrate you to get the hell back in your house or we'll arrest you. And like in like the same month, then anything can happen, you know, because everybody's sort of fixated on the screen.

00:17:11.000 And that's really the world that they live in for the most part. That's where at least especially politically engaged people.

00:17:17.020 That's really like the rub of it. Right. Is the people who are most politically engaged live in here more than anybody else.

00:17:23.680 The sense of living far away. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, anything.

00:17:30.020 Like if they were to tell us that if it were just to come out, you know, that that Biden died of covid today. Right.

00:17:37.840 You know, he just took a turn for the worst. And yeah, we know there were no news reports on Saturday that like, oh, his his health is quickly declining.

00:17:46.640 And doctors are flying in from Bethesda and Walter Reed to try to get to the bottom of this.

00:17:51.900 And oh, it's just not working. And oh, we lost him. And if, you know, he but if none of that happens and, you know, he's he died.

00:17:59.440 And everybody's going to look at that and think, well, you know, I don't buy that for a second. Nobody should.

00:18:06.000 But, you know, you start to question with that. Would anything happen? And I don't I don't really think it would.

00:18:12.640 I think it would just be like a new twist, a new plot twist in the movie.

00:18:15.740 Yeah, there's this weird propensity for them to even come out and admit this later. Right.

00:18:20.580 We got that with the 2020 election. They literally ran an article in Time magazine taking a victory lap about the fact that they they called themselves a shadowy cabal of people who changed the election in in favor of Joe Biden.

00:18:34.040 And obviously, like you said, they're now admitting the fact that Joe Biden doesn't run the country.

00:18:38.580 We started to get the narrative after the debate about how you're really electing an office.

00:18:43.180 You know, the presidency is an office. It's not a man. Right.

00:18:45.840 And so it's weird because he said I wrote a book about this and I'm wondering if this is just going to be obsolete in a year because they'll just come out and look to everything that I was attempting to kind of illuminate.

00:18:58.380 But there is this weird propensity for them to not just do this stuff, but come out and brag about it as if, oh, well, no, see, we're competent because we can still do the thing like, yeah, no, the kind of the wheels are coming off.

00:19:11.120 The system's becoming obvious. The mind control device is now something everyone can can witness.

00:19:17.080 But really, it's OK, because this system is still better than anything else.

00:19:21.740 And speaking of, you know, the mind control device and everyone staring at the screen, what do you think about the role that Twitter played in this?

00:19:28.640 Because it's pretty wild, right? Like apparently most of the staff had no clue.

00:19:32.880 There's only a handful of people before the announcement was made.

00:19:35.820 It comes out on Twitter. Like you said, there's no proof of life.

00:19:38.840 We don't get Biden holding a current newspaper, you know, like like he's a bad hostage in a movie like nothing like we just get this random document.

00:19:46.380 And it shows up on Twitter. It's like, well, if the intern has the Twitter password, then do they get to decide who's president of the United States?

00:19:54.860 Yeah, like just make it turn into a fait accompli that like you can't walk it back now, grandpa.

00:20:00.300 I mean, it's crazy because his it was the same day, right?

00:20:03.220 Like on the morning news channels, like the morning news shows, his campaign manager was out there like using words like crystal clear.

00:20:10.860 Let me be crystal clear. Joe Biden is in this race to win it. He's not going anywhere, et cetera, et cetera.

00:20:15.720 And then like hours later, this happens and then we still haven't seen this guy.

00:20:19.740 I mean, it's yeah, of course, it's unprecedented. I mean, that goes without saying that it's unprecedented.

00:20:25.220 It's something that like really couldn't have happened in a prior era, you know?

00:20:31.660 I mean, you had like maybe, you know, you had like Woodrow Wilson who had his stroke and the country was basically being run by his wife for like the last, you know, half a year or so of his time in office.

00:20:43.440 And they just covered it up. They just kept him on ice in the White House and let the thing keep on going.

00:20:49.600 So, you know, that's very easy to do in 1918, you know, 1917, 1918.

00:20:55.240 It's not so easy to do thanks to Uncle Elon these days.

00:20:59.220 But it would be a lot easier if that wasn't there, you know, because I mean, what we're finding out, right, is that it doesn't really matter.

00:21:08.760 You can have a hundred channels under control.

00:21:11.560 If there's one channel that's not under control, eventually everyone's going to know it.

00:21:16.320 Everyone's going to know that that's where you go for actual information.

00:21:19.480 And that's where, you know, it's going to be the only one that has any kind of real legitimacy with people, even people who don't want to who want to believe the channels you control.

00:21:28.440 And because, I mean, you look at like, you know, look at all these journalists, all these regime journalists and political activists who when Elon took over, I'm leaving Twitter.

00:21:36.180 Why, by God, I'm I'm just going to none of them left, none of them, because this is where it's at.

00:21:42.380 I mean, it's just, you know, the one place where, you know, you can go and that actually has some has some cultural legitimacy as far as, you know, the place to get real information.

00:21:51.100 You can't avoid it. You have to come back here.

00:21:53.160 So even those even the regime propagandists and the palace scribes, like they have to come back here to, like, get their information and talk to each other.

00:22:00.980 And so if that wasn't in place, I mean, we'd be in a very interesting world.

00:22:05.260 We probably have like all the social media companies, you know, banning us for talking about Joe Biden's health and direct messages, you know, and forbidding us from from sharing news articles, you know, about it.

00:22:17.220 And it might be where where we would be.

00:22:21.760 So, yeah, that's why I tried to explain to people when Elon bought Twitter that that was the most politically significant event that had happened in many, many decades.

00:22:31.700 It's far more important than any Republican bill, any election, any of these things, because the you know, the the medium is the place where the battle actually happens.

00:22:41.760 You know, in previous coup attempts, you would have to capture the airport or the TV station, the radio station, something there would have to be some physical thing, even when it was propaganda based.

00:22:52.820 You still had to go and get a hold of one of these things.

00:22:55.900 Now, the way that information is filtered, like you said, you know, we had this Trump shooting and every one of the mainstream media outlets was like Trump, you know, stumbles off stage, seems to grab ear, heard loud noise, possibly scared.

00:23:11.200 Twitter is the only place where you found out that the president is shot.

00:23:14.120 Twitter is the only place where you saw him bleeding.

00:23:16.780 Twitter is the only place where you recognize what was really going on.

00:23:20.660 And so it's very interesting that despite the fact, like you said, that they've locked down so many of these avenues, they have all of the airports, they have all of the TV stations.

00:23:30.460 But just this one avenue becomes not only a place where you can get real news, but because of that becomes the authority, becomes the place where things actually happen.

00:23:40.000 I'm told Twitter isn't real life.

00:23:41.540 But apparently if that's, you know, you post a picture on the president's account there, you can actually overthrow him.

00:23:47.920 Yeah, that's true.

00:23:52.860 I mean, you know.

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00:24:10.420 I guess something's real if it has the ability to affect reality, right?

00:24:15.880 And I mean, obviously, like these events are like still just developing right in front of us right now.

00:24:21.480 And it's hard to know what's going on.

00:24:23.740 I mean, like, would anybody be like truly shocked at this point if Joe Biden came on TV tonight in the Oval Office and said, you know, I'm firing like 30 people from my cabinet and my interns because this happened.

00:24:36.720 And I'm absolutely – it would be crazy, but it wouldn't be any crazier than anything that's happened over the last few weeks.

00:24:43.740 You know, people would just roll with it because it's kind of the place that we're at now where, like, people almost expect that kind of pace and intensity from politics.

00:24:53.960 And, I mean, I almost think that, you know, people – like, they say – they said in 2020 that, like, the reason they wanted Biden was because they wanted a return to normalcy and a return to the calm politics of the past.

00:25:08.580 And I think, like, you know, the people who were writing think pieces about that and stuff probably did, you know, feel that way to a degree or they wanted to project that feeling.

00:25:19.520 But I don't know, man.

00:25:20.540 I feel like people who are real politically engaged are kind of addicted to the adrenaline high at this point, you know.

00:25:27.340 And the fact that the president's, like, a senile old dude, I mean, like, you know how crazy it is, bro, that, like, to witness all these people who are acting – they were acting so surprised that, like, Joe Biden maybe seems to be slipping a little bit, that his cognitive impairment might be sort of, like, a little bit more than we thought.

00:25:51.640 But, like, you know, it's happened several times on multiple occasions where he is in a one-on-one meeting sitting in a chair across from another world leader with just the two of them, dozens of cameras, dozens of, like, flashing cameras, journalists everywhere.

00:26:09.300 And he's literally falling asleep while the other world leader looks around and tries to pick up the slack and just not be too awkward.

00:26:17.100 And, like, you witness something like that.

00:26:18.780 I mean, if you can't keep it together for that, right, then, like, you can only imagine what's going on behind the scenes.

00:26:26.540 The guy's totally checked out.

00:26:27.760 And all of them knew that, of course, you know.

00:26:31.000 And they didn't care.

00:26:33.100 They didn't care.

00:26:34.120 In fact, like I said, they were fine with it.

00:26:36.180 You know, a guy who sleeps –

00:26:37.220 They were defending him.

00:26:37.880 They were attacking everybody who questioned his fitness, yeah.

00:26:40.620 Because to them, a president who sleeps 18 hours a day and spends the other six hours, you know, just eating ice cream or whatever, that's the best president that they could imagine, you know.

00:26:52.720 And so they didn't care about that.

00:26:55.020 They would prefer that he didn't fall asleep in meetings with world leaders on camera.

00:26:59.520 They'd prefer that.

00:27:00.480 But they don't really care, you know, because that world leader over there knows that what's really happening is they're doing a photo op.

00:27:08.360 And then his foreign minister and the people below him are all going to meet with our, you know, Anthony Blinken.

00:27:12.960 And then the governments are actually going to have things happen between each other.

00:27:17.200 And that's what's going on.

00:27:17.940 And they know that.

00:27:18.980 They prefer it would be a better photo op.

00:27:21.640 They really don't care.

00:27:22.580 They care that he's being destroyed in the polls and that his debate performance was just so awful that, you know, it just – you couldn't gaslight – it was just a step too far to gaslight people any more about them, right?

00:27:38.080 And that may be – again, to go back to what you said, that may be because social media has been cracked open by Twitter, you know, because it's forced the other social media companies to kind of adapt on the fly too.

00:27:49.880 Like, it's a lot harder for Facebook to just ban everybody for talking about certain things when Twitter's over here allowing free speech.

00:27:57.280 It's just harder to do.

00:27:58.460 Am I really going to keep getting my news from Facebook when I can't say half of the words I need to say?

00:28:02.980 Exactly.

00:28:03.700 And so it's sort of been cracked open.

00:28:05.780 But if it hadn't, man, like, who knows?

00:28:07.860 Like, honestly.

00:28:08.740 Like, it may have just been – because, you know, some people watched the debate.

00:28:13.480 A lot of people maybe turned it on for a little bit and thought this Biden guy looks old.

00:28:17.160 Most people probably didn't watch it at all.

00:28:19.880 And they could have just run every news channel saying Biden looked great and Trump is such a liar and Biden just took him apart on stage and, you know, just controlling the online discourse in a way that makes it seem like any claim to the contrary is just partisan nonsense.

00:28:36.020 You know, it's just Republicans trying to talk up their – they probably could have pulled something like that off, you know?

00:28:40.940 It's not like most people are engaged with this stuff, like, on a regular basis.

00:28:45.960 Like, we are – like, the people who – everybody watching this is, like, that, you know, course.

00:28:51.400 They registered the whole thing.

00:28:52.800 You wouldn't be watching the Oron McIntyre show, you know?

00:28:55.600 But most people out there, you know, they're not following it like that.

00:29:00.100 And you can get those things through.

00:29:02.720 But, again, once you crack that egg open and there's a leak in the information ecosystem – I'll try to think of a third metaphor to mix on top of that.

00:29:13.200 I can't do it.

00:29:14.180 So, you know, then –

00:29:17.600 Cross the bridge.

00:29:17.620 Oh, yeah, there you go.

00:29:19.320 Then you can't uncross that bridge.

00:29:21.480 Right.

00:29:21.740 Yeah.

00:29:23.320 So, I haven't got to talk to you, obviously, since everything that happened with the debate and then the attempted to Trump assassination.

00:29:31.900 What do you think about that sequence?

00:29:34.020 Obviously, the pressure was starting to build before the debate.

00:29:38.540 And the debate happened, and it seemed like we got a preference cascade.

00:29:41.340 You know, it's not like, you know, there was just a critical mass, too many people who were unhappy with the obvious nature.

00:29:47.620 The nature of Joe Biden's mental decline finally said, okay, we got to go ahead and pull the plug on his presidency.

00:29:53.960 We need to apply pressure.

00:29:55.220 You started to see these constant stories about how he's getting ready to step down at any moment.

00:30:01.380 It seemed like the press were just kind of hyper-stitioning his resignation into being, right?

00:30:06.140 They kept saying, oh, you know, this aide said he's getting ready to step down.

00:30:10.860 That person, his family has an entire plan.

00:30:13.560 And none of it apparently true, but the press just kept running these in the attempt to go ahead and push him out.

00:30:19.720 Then you have the attempted assassination.

00:30:22.260 And obviously, this changes the board from Biden may not be able to win this to how could Biden possibly win this?

00:30:29.560 Do you think that those events were taken into account when they tried to apply that pressure right afterwards?

00:30:37.120 Do you think it's the illness?

00:30:39.320 Is this just an unhappy coincidence that all these things are kind of flowing together?

00:30:45.620 No, it's not.

00:30:46.980 No.

00:30:47.480 Look, because what they have to do, this is their challenge, right?

00:30:51.060 They've been trying to figure out now for the last couple of years.

00:30:53.800 Okay, last time we won the election through some, you know, whether you think it was, you know, that like ballots were forged or whatever.

00:31:07.720 I don't care about any of that.

00:31:08.720 You just take the entire thing as a big picture.

00:31:11.960 You know, having every press outlet and social media company censoring negative information about your guy, just an unprecedented censorship campaign in favor of one candidate over the other.

00:31:25.980 All of the, you know, the Mark Zuckerberg stuff with the local voting stations, just all the different things that went into that election.

00:31:34.580 And then like the election night itself, where, you know, Trump is up massively, just cruising to a victory.

00:31:40.500 He's about to get the most votes of anybody in American history by many millions.

00:31:47.740 And then the four swing states and only those four swing states shut down at midnight, which nobody has ever done before, just decide to shut down.

00:31:57.620 And then we all wake up in the morning and Biden's way ahead.

00:32:00.580 And just, you know, they were able to get away with that.

00:32:05.320 But January 6th did happen, you know, and these cowards were hiding under their desks in the Capitol, you know, and, and they, so they've been looking at this over the last few years and trying to decide, I think, right.

00:32:18.700 They're like, okay, our options here are because nobody's going to, they don't have anybody that's going to beat Trump, like in a straight up election.

00:32:28.420 Okay. Let's just be serious about that.

00:32:30.980 I don't care.

00:32:32.900 Maybe you get Michelle Obama, maybe.

00:32:35.020 Right.

00:32:35.260 But she's not going to run.

00:32:36.440 The Obamas did not enjoy that job and she's not going to do that.

00:32:41.420 But he got 75 million votes.

00:32:43.640 He's going to get 75 million votes again.

00:32:45.760 If, you know, if not more, because everybody that voted for him in 2020 is going to vote for now.

00:32:51.840 Nobody like, you know, voted for Trump after four years of just incessant propaganda, hate propaganda against him.

00:32:58.240 And somehow over the last few years, you're like, you know, actually after seeing this Biden administration run things, I think probably this is, you know, that maybe it was a good thing to get rid of Trump.

00:33:08.740 Nobody's thinking that way.

00:33:09.680 And so they got to get somebody who's going to get 75 million plus votes.

00:33:13.660 They don't have anybody that can do that.

00:33:15.760 And so they've been thinking like, okay, we could put this guy in jail, which carries risk, right?

00:33:23.860 That's carries real risk.

00:33:25.280 If we put this guy in jail and like, you know, work with the Republican establishment to get him off of, you know, the Republican candidacy, that's one avenue.

00:33:35.620 But that carries risk.

00:33:37.440 We can try to do something on election day again.

00:33:42.460 But to do that, well, first of all, that carries serious risk.

00:33:46.960 But to do that, you've at least got to get things to the point where it's plausible that the person squeaked out a victory, right?

00:33:56.060 I mean, and if the way things were going with Joe Biden, it was just not going to be plausible.

00:34:01.140 I mean, it would just, I mean, it wasn't really plausible in 2020.

00:34:06.120 I mean, if you look at like, you know, Trump winning 19 out of the 20 bellwether states that have held since like 1952 or something like that, you know, an unbroken trend.

00:34:17.420 It just didn't make any sense.

00:34:19.120 But they had enough control over the discourse, over the means of discourse.

00:34:24.740 And, you know, there was enough just with everything going on with COVID and, you know, the Floyd riot, just all the chaos of that year that it sort of plausible that like, you know, this guy, Obama's former vice president, you know, the old statesman, as they wanted to frame him at the time, like that he could come in and squeak out this victory.

00:34:43.300 It's just not, it's not plot.

00:34:45.340 It was no longer plausible in 2024.

00:34:47.640 And I mean, to the point that they, you know, they couldn't even sell it to their own people.

00:34:52.720 Their own people would, they'd wink and smile and say, you know, good job.

00:34:56.560 We're glad you did that.

00:34:57.380 But they would know the truth.

00:34:58.280 I think everybody would have known the truth.

00:35:00.940 And so, you know, the other option, you know, there's really only a third option is accept the fact that Trump's going to be the president for four years.

00:35:08.700 And we contained him for four years before he didn't really do anything, you know, that we didn't want to want to do.

00:35:14.460 We could do it again.

00:35:16.600 But I think that one scares him a lot because, you know, again, it's not really his policies that they're particularly worried about.

00:35:24.140 Other than like maybe, you know, they really, I mean, to me, it looks like the security establishment is kind of over the Ukraine thing.

00:35:32.620 And they're just sort of winding it down.

00:35:34.280 And if this wasn't an election year, they might have like wrapped this up already.

00:35:37.540 But so I don't even think they're that committed to that anymore.

00:35:42.520 But maybe some kind of foreign policy issues or something that they, you know, would prefer that he did this other than that.

00:35:48.780 But, you know, I mean, Trump's a Zionist. 0.93

00:35:51.100 He's shown that he needs to be strong and tough.

00:35:53.760 And so he's going to like, you know, basically follow the party line on Russia and Ukraine if you back him into a corner.

00:36:00.180 And so I don't think they're worried about his policies.

00:36:01.820 What they're worried about is another four years, maybe another eight years, maybe another 12 years, if J.D. Vance can step up and really keep this thing going.

00:36:12.780 Of this coalition of people that Trump brought together, brought out of the woodwork of those people having time to coalesce and organize and start to get themselves into shape as like a meaningful political force.

00:36:25.280 And, you know, another four, eight, 12 years of people being able to do that.

00:36:30.420 That's what they're really worried about, you know.

00:36:33.660 And but I don't know, man, like if they try to pull something on Election Day again.

00:36:38.500 You know, like, you know, you ask, like, why, you know, if it was if it's this easy to to rig an election, you know, why then why didn't they rig like all the elections in the past?

00:36:48.640 There's two reasons. Right.

00:36:49.600 One is that they don't really care who won, you know, Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, like the people, the senior bondholders in the U.S. system don't care which one wins.

00:36:58.800 Right. Now, there are some that like this one favors certain special interests and this one favors certain special interests.

00:37:05.240 And so they would like one candidate over the other.

00:37:07.880 But if those interests tried to do something that was, you know, that was really blatant, like rigging the election against the other, there's enough powerful people aligned on the other side who are going to call that out.

00:37:18.680 That it was going to create too much of a problem.

00:37:21.140 And Trump had nobody in power on his side.

00:37:24.980 You know, I mean, there was just there was no institution, no nothing that was going to step up and defend him.

00:37:30.980 He had his people and, you know, they registered their protest on January 6th.

00:37:36.680 But just no power center was was there to call that out and back him up.

00:37:41.520 And I wonder now if that's true, you know, because it seems to me like, you know, you're starting to see a lot of these guys in Silicon Valley who are starting to come over to Trump.

00:37:54.020 You're starting to see like people who, you know, they're not they're not necessarily given interviews on CNBC or anything, but like Wall Street people, hedge fund people who run hedge funds, you know, people who don't necessarily live in New York.

00:38:08.640 But they run hedge funds in Dallas and, you know, Milwaukee and stuff that a lot of these guys are starting to come over very publicly so that you do you're starting to accrue enough weight on that side that if they try to pull something like that again, there's actually going to be some heavy hitters and pipe hitters on this side who who can call that out.

00:38:27.780 And so, you know, that brings a lot of risk as well.

00:38:31.840 And so I think the big question now is like, and I think I've even seen some Democrats really asking this is that, you know, like, if you look at what happened to the Democratic Party, right, if you go back to 2008, Hillary Clinton was going to be the president, like that was what was going to happen.

00:38:53.620 That was the plan all along. That's why she ran for that's why she was installed as the senator of New York to sort of get her name out there and prepare her for that. 1.00

00:39:02.140 And now it's 2008 and she's going to be inaugurated.

00:39:05.920 And then Obama came along and it just became this tidal wave that there was just no way to stop it without just destroying the Democratic Party, basically.

00:39:16.640 I mean, just because he, you know, he just acquired so much popular support.

00:39:21.560 I mean, it was Bernie Sanders in 2016, except on steroids. Right.

00:39:25.140 We all remember. And so she had to step out of the way and had to say, OK, you know, you'll put me in a secretary of state.

00:39:33.680 Let me run your foreign policy for four years. I'll get out, start prepping and then I'll take over in 2016. Great.

00:39:39.360 And what the what was happening like behind the scenes and it started even before 2008, really, because they were prepping for that 2008 election is the Clinton machine, you know, which is this vast, powerful machine.

00:39:55.580 And, you know, that people don't understand necessarily exactly how this kind of thing works.

00:40:00.960 You have things like the Clinton Global Initiative and all these other things, these billions of dollars that they can throw around means you have these people who like when they're not working in the Clinton administration,

00:40:10.420 they're getting paid by these other things and then they can go to work for another, you know, Clinton administration or the Obama administration afterwards,

00:40:17.960 which means you can keep these people on the payroll consistently.

00:40:21.240 They don't have to go find some other patron, you know, it's a consistent thing.

00:40:25.260 And the Clinton machine was one of the dominant machines in Washington for a long time.

00:40:30.240 And they went out there and just basically cleared the Democratic bench to make sure that when 2016 came along, there was nobody that could challenge her to the point where the Republicans are putting up 17 people in their primary,

00:40:44.480 10, 12 of whom were like plausible candidates, you know, who could actually be the nominee.

00:40:51.420 The Democrats have this like geriatric socialist from Vermont that nobody's ever really taken seriously.

00:40:58.380 He's always kind of been this backbencher crank and Carquetti from the wire, right?

00:41:03.040 That's it.

00:41:03.660 And they go out there as sacrificial lambs and she loses again.

00:41:07.820 And what they're finding now is they got nobody because the Clintons took out anybody on their side that might plausibly be another Obama might plausibly come up and challenge them.

00:41:20.760 And now they, they have nobody, you know, Pete Buttigieg, you know, Kamala Harris, like these people, you know, I used to live in California, like Kamala Harris is a joke in California.

00:41:30.360 You know, she was, she was a joke in California, like when she was there.

00:41:34.540 And so it's like, they just don't have anybody.

00:41:37.680 And you start to wonder if like, you know, Kamala is just this, you know, they're like, go out there, pull the Bob Dole thing, you know, just take the L that way we can, we don't have to deal with you in 2028, which is what we would have to do if Biden ran and lost.

00:41:53.360 And, you know, we have to deal with Kamala in 2028. 0.82

00:41:56.440 So it clears her out of the way.

00:41:58.000 I wonder really if they're really just starting to make peace with the fact that the safest route is for them to, you know, the path of least resistance is for them to just let this happen and try to contain the damage and maintain as much as they can.

00:42:13.520 Yeah, I wonder the same thing.

00:42:14.500 I have seen a lot of people floating the idea that the regime wants Trump at this point.

00:42:20.140 I very much doubt that, but the regime might have to settle for Trump, as you say, because too many of the alternatives have a risk factor that can get kinetic pretty quickly.

00:42:30.680 And that's the one thing they have to avoid at all costs.

00:42:33.300 Like you said, the huge change really in the Republican Party was that we have all this ideology flying around, right?

00:42:41.960 Everyone is addicted to ideology.

00:42:44.480 We got to have our principles and our values and our 10, you know, we've got fusionism or whatever.

00:42:49.260 And that's what politics is all about.

00:42:52.140 And that's not what politics is about at all.

00:42:54.120 It never has been.

00:42:55.340 And we have been, you know, living in this situation.

00:42:59.500 You know, Curtis Yarvin did an essay today, talked about, you know, basically we've been watching the movie and now politics is breaking through the movie.

00:43:05.460 And we are.

00:43:06.380 It's so surreal.

00:43:07.080 I think one of the reasons people have a hard time acting is we have been watching movies for so long that everything we understand about politics is this very weird, fantastic abstraction.

00:43:16.980 So when real politics show up, we don't even know what that looks like or how to take action.

00:43:22.780 But the fact that Trump stopped being a agent of ideology and instead was, you know, all these people on the right were saying, oh, it's a cult of personality.

00:43:33.060 Yes, exactly.

00:43:34.340 That's what politics, real politics is.

00:43:36.720 It's not ideology.

00:43:37.860 It is a cult of personality.

00:43:39.000 And so I think that while they may have to make do, like you said, they may have to make peace with the fact that Trump comes into power, that is scary because that cult of personality, like you said, is real and he's attached to real people with real lives and real communities and not like some weird understanding of neocon global hegemony.

00:44:00.300 And so what does that mean if a guy like that actually gets to swap out parts of the deep state, actually installs an heir who is more radical to than he is on a lot of these issues, you know, explicitly start saying things like America is a nation.

00:44:15.360 It's a people.

00:44:16.040 It's not a economic zone.

00:44:18.780 What happens to them if they let somebody like that sit in the White House for four, eight, 12 years like you're talking about?

00:44:24.660 Well, you know, they're telling you what they think will happen, you know, by their reaction and by the lengths that they're willing to go.

00:44:33.000 I mean, just, you know, the fact that they have been they've been so willing to just throw really like decades, centuries, really, of like built up legitimacy and capital that they, you know, that they that they had and just throw it in the paper shredder over over a guy who, again, like his policies were not really

00:44:54.620 radical, like at all, you know, it kind of shows you how much they do fear exactly what you're talking about.

00:45:00.080 And, you know, to your point about how real politics works, you know, you talk about J.D. Vance.

00:45:07.420 You know, a lot of people are out there like, you know, they're skeptical of Vance because he went to Yale and he's worked for a place that was associated with Peter Thiel or whatever.

00:45:17.080 There's just people want to want to complain about it.

00:45:20.040 And I look at him and of course, the fact that in 2016, he was like, Trump is a terrible guy and I can't abide this or something.

00:45:27.640 And for a lot of people, they want to make that a deal breaker.

00:45:30.440 To me, J.D. Vance is is emblematic of 100 people that I know in real life.

00:45:37.480 People who came from, you know, circumstances that were somewhat similar to his, you know, lower middle class, working class or poor, broken or half broken or breaking down like white families in the middle of the country who were smart. 0.72

00:45:55.480 And they got out and they were able to escape that, you know, even though maybe their brothers and sisters weren't and their cousins weren't and their friends from high school weren't, but they were able to escape that.

00:46:04.320 And he got into, you know, Ohio State.

00:46:06.820 He went to the Marines and he went to Yale and so forth.

00:46:09.220 And so he's out of that now.

00:46:10.300 And he's 31 years old in 2016.

00:46:12.540 So, you know, I mean, I don't want to say somebody is 31 as a kid.

00:46:16.500 He's not a kid, but, you know, some of that time was spent in the Marines, you know, where you're very sort of focused on what you're doing and what's directly in front of you.

00:46:26.520 And he's two years out of law school.

00:46:28.800 He's 31 years old.

00:46:30.360 Somebody like that is really still developing their political identity, you know, in a lot of ways.

00:46:35.860 I mean, shoot, like, you know, I, you know, up until I was like 23, 24 years old, I was still like a card carrying libertarian, you know, and took me a few more years after that to really like grow out of grow out of those shoes.

00:46:51.440 And so, you know, so there he is, somebody who came out of the environment he came out of, and he sees this guy, Trump, who really kind of reminds him of a lot of the sort of vulgarity and just the, you know, a lot of the, it reminds him of the kinds of things that he is trying to escape, you know, and he's trying to fit in with his friends at Yale.

00:47:11.980 And he's trying to, you know, he's, he's risen up into a higher level of, of society.

00:47:16.440 And he, maybe, you know, he's, maybe he's very proud of the fact, not like he looks down on his family, but he's proud of the fact that like they've, you know, created a son who now is able to kind of level up.

00:47:28.440 And now here he is and wants to represent that, you know, and sort of represent those values.

00:47:33.160 And, you know, 2016 is, is the year his book came out.

00:47:36.240 So he's being brought around and fetted by liberals everywhere for writing this, you know, this, this beautiful book that they liked because they thought that it gave them like a guilt-free way to look down on hillbillies.

00:47:50.240 But, you know, they started to, to not like the book when they realized that's not exactly how it was meant.

00:47:56.980 And so you have this guy and he, he looks at Trump and it, you know, coming from where he is at that time, he, he says, this is kind of revolting to me.

00:48:05.420 This is something that like, you know, just instinctually, you know, or at least where I am in my life now, like I'm pushing, I just, I, it, it, it repulses me.

00:48:15.220 But then what happened like over the last eight years since then is that, and again, this is a hundred people I know.

00:48:23.360 What happened over the last eight years is that he saw that all his friends at Yale and all those liberals who were praising his book and telling him how brilliant he was in 2016,

00:48:33.660 all these people that he's like spending his time trying to sort of, you know, accommodate and, and assimilate to, you know, their, their culture that these people absolutely hate in the marrow of their bones,

00:48:46.700 his whole family, everybody he grew up with, everything they stand for, everything they care about.

00:48:54.100 They hate it all. And they really, really hate it all. And this guy, Trump say what you want about him, uh, dislike this or that about him all you want.

00:49:04.380 But he stood up for those people. And that's why they're loyal to him is he stood up for them, you know?

00:49:11.320 And I think, you know, Vance again, reminds me of a hundred people I know who went through a very similar journey where initially Trump was just so different, you know?

00:49:20.180 And if you weren't like an always online kind of younger person, who's just not shocked by anything.

00:49:25.320 If you're like, if you're just looking at this and you're, you know, remembering John McCain and Mitt Romney and Obama and Bush and, you know, so forth on back.

00:49:34.820 And then this guy comes out and he's talking about blood coming out of your whatever and all these kinds of things.

00:49:40.100 Like it's, it was shocking to a lot of people, you know, and, and their initial reaction was, you know, I'm a good person and a good person should not think this is okay.

00:49:49.680 Okay. That, that to me in 2016, that was an understandable reaction for a lot of people.

00:49:55.120 The question is, what did you do after that? What did you do when the system and all the people who supported it really took the mask off and showed how much they hate all of your family, all of your friends, everybody you grew up with and where you came from.

00:50:09.400 And, uh, you know, that, that, that's what I see in Vance. And that's why, you know, you call it a cult of personality if you want, but really it's like, you know, I think of it like, uh,

00:50:19.680 if you're in, you know, if you're in a high school class and you got the kids sitting in front with their, you know, it's all the preppy kids with their letterman jackets and cheerleaders are up there and they're all popular and they get good grades.

00:50:32.460 And, you know, they all have, uh, you know, nice cars that their parents brought, bought them that they, that they drive to school every day and all that.

00:50:40.240 And in the back, you got the kids who, you know, are poor, they have to still ride the bus or walk to school.

00:50:46.040 Um, their, their parent, their, their clothes smell like cigarettes because their parents are lower class and they actually still smoke them, you know? 0.95

00:50:53.840 And, uh, it was just sort of the scrubby kids and the kids in front look down on them and talk crap to them all the time.

00:50:59.460 And they're just the object of, of ridicule.

00:51:02.180 And then all of a sudden, like one of the offensive linemen from the football team, who's kind of a bore, you know, he's kind of like a, a big bully and like a, you know, just a boorish person.

00:51:12.980 But he decides, eh, I'm going to go, I don't like this.

00:51:15.340 I'm going to go sit with the guys in the back, the people in the back.

00:51:17.940 And he starts lobbing bombs at the people in the front on their behalf.

00:51:21.780 And he stands up for those people.

00:51:24.020 Maybe that guy's a complete bore.

00:51:26.240 Maybe he's whatever.

00:51:27.740 Those people are going to worship that dude, you know?

00:51:30.920 And rightfully so.

00:51:32.320 That's the thing.

00:51:33.160 Rightfully so.

00:51:33.960 That's not a bad reason to support a political leader, especially in a day and age like this, where you can just, you know, where it's just unfortunately enough to look at somebody.

00:51:43.380 And again, you don't, you, you wish that this was not a situation that we found ourselves in, but it is where you can look at somebody like Trump.

00:51:51.220 You can look at somebody like, you know, Tucker Carlson and say to yourself, like, you know what?

00:51:57.220 Like, I don't, I don't know everything about this person.

00:51:59.980 I don't necessarily agree with everything that they say, but I know that person doesn't hate my guts.

00:52:06.220 And I know that these people over here do hate my guts and that's enough, you know?

00:52:12.360 Simple enough.

00:52:14.100 So I want to ask you one more question before we move to the questions of the audience.

00:52:18.640 Kamala Harris, obviously, we haven't really got much into her other than noting that she's a joke and possibly a sacrificial lamb. 0.99

00:52:26.540 But are there any shifts in this power dynamic?

00:52:29.240 Because there have been some notable exceptions.

00:52:32.700 There have been some donors who said, you know, we need a real candidate.

00:52:36.100 She's not a real candidate. 0.90

00:52:37.600 Barack Obama did not endorse her very notably when he talked about Joe Biden.

00:52:41.940 And guys like Mike Bloomberg have also said, hey, this is not a done deal.

00:52:46.620 You know, just because Joe Biden's account tweets out that he supports Kamala Harris does not make her the candidate.

00:52:53.940 Now, we had a very strange thing where, you know, I don't know much about the way that I guess the Electoral Commission operates, but I don't think they normally on a Sunday afternoon, the wheels of government bureaucracy usually don't snap to and immediately go change, you know, the head of the campaign on this.

00:53:13.200 So something was going on.

00:53:15.000 Someone got the nudge.

00:53:15.860 Someone's like, OK, we need we need to ram this into reality as fast as possible.

00:53:20.140 So it's very clear that the factions inside the left are still fighting, right?

00:53:24.940 Because you the reason you do all that, the reason you line up all those dominoes is you make it a fate of complete, right?

00:53:30.540 You want it to happen as quick as possible.

00:53:32.320 If you're going to have the coup, do it quick, clean.

00:53:34.880 Don't leave any options for someone else to back you out of this.

00:53:37.620 So it's very clear that all of these very strange happenings occurred simultaneously because you need to get her installed because there's a faction that wants to remain in charge.

00:53:47.560 They don't want anyone else inside the left to be able to fight back.

00:53:51.960 There is some there are some people who are being loud about her selection.

00:53:55.480 And I think probably most notably Kamala Harris is loudly pro-Palestini, if I if I understand correctly, which is a big shift for the Democratic Party.

00:54:05.780 They wanted that. I think a lot of the vanguard has been pushing that.

00:54:09.660 I think a lot of people on the left want to be pro-Palestinian in that conflict, but they know that they need for fundraising and political reasons to go ahead and continue to show a legacy loyalty to the state of Israel.

00:54:22.740 Do you think there are any significant shifts that come with Harris as a candidate?

00:54:27.540 And what do you think about the different infighting factions that might play into her selection?

00:54:32.580 Yeah, I will first. No, I don't think any anything changes with the Kamala Harris presidency.

00:54:40.080 I mean, you have to remember, and this is kind of a joke now at this point.

00:54:43.340 Everybody's making memes about it and everything, but it's a simple fact.

00:54:48.080 This is a woman who got her start in politics by getting on her knees for Willie Brown. 1.00

00:54:52.960 Like literally, that's how she got her start in politics.

00:54:56.400 This is not a woman who's going to say, well, I'm pro-Palestine, damn it.

00:54:59.620 And if you're all, all these power brokers are telling me that I have to not be pro-Palestine, why?

00:55:04.740 That's just too bad.

00:55:05.980 This is not who she is.

00:55:07.500 This is a woman who has smiled and cackled her way through the ranks by saying, yes, sir, no, sir, to the right people and moving her way up because she was inoffensive and, you know, and just knew how to please the right people. 0.98

00:55:21.020 That's just who this person is.

00:55:22.500 She's not going to change anything that the people around her don't want changed.

00:55:26.460 Now, as far as there being factions, though, yeah, I mean, I think maybe the real factions are, maybe the real factions behind the scenes in the left right now are the people who think that this election is still worth fighting for and the ones who don't.

00:55:44.320 And so, you know, the people who don't, I think, probably do favor Harris, you know, they just throw her out there.

00:55:51.380 Who cares?

00:55:52.000 Like, get her out of the way for 2028 after she gets blown out. 1.00

00:55:56.020 Other people, you know, they still maybe want to, they want to, they want to go for it and try something.

00:56:01.120 And they know that she's not going to play well.

00:56:03.360 She's never played well.

00:56:04.340 I mean, there's a reason she's been completely out of the public eye for like two years now.

00:56:08.280 It's because every time she goes out, like, you know, her approval ratings drop by a few points.

00:56:14.140 And so, you know, these factions certainly exist.

00:56:17.460 And, you know, if Biden really wanted to like do a flex move, like if he got pushed out against his will, I mean, it really looks like against his will, right?

00:56:27.720 I mean, up to the very, very last moment, he was saying, I'm absolutely not dropping out.

00:56:32.380 And he just drops out.

00:56:33.100 So whether or not they just sort of took his dead hand and made it sign the paper or not, or whether he's just, he just gave in because they told him that, you know, he and his son were going to go to prison for the rest of their lives for their corruption.

00:56:46.420 If he didn't, you know, agree to it, whatever it was, he did it against his will.

00:56:53.080 It was a coerced, you know, resignation.

00:56:54.840 And so, you know, if he really wanted to stick it to the people who forced him to do that, especially if they weren't, if Kamala was not their plan, he should just resign.

00:57:07.840 He should resign the presidency and make her the incumbent and then say, okay, now this is a woman who's the incumbent president who has the endorsement of the previous president. 0.97

00:57:16.340 What are you going to do?

00:57:17.160 You know, and I think also like, you know, the Democrats in the behind the scenes are trying to figure out like, okay, true Kamala Harris has never participated in a single primary race ever.

00:57:29.860 Right in 2016 or 20 or 2024, never participated in a primary race.

00:57:37.440 So net has, has just zero popular mandate to be our nominee.

00:57:43.120 They've been trying to figure out like, do we have enough time?

00:57:46.280 Do we have enough people in place that we can create enough of an illusion of choice that, you know, people can at least buy it.

00:57:55.460 That the Democratic base can at least buy that there's some choice being made here and that this isn't just somebody that we're choosing, you know, behind closed doors with donors.

00:58:05.900 And I think there's some people who think, no, there's just no time for them.

00:58:09.220 Like, there's no way we can do that.

00:58:10.920 And if we just pull somebody out of the woodwork, you know, some governor or whatever and throw them out there, it's going to seem like that.

00:58:17.420 And it will be that and everybody will see it no matter if we have like a mini primary or whatever you want to call it.

00:58:23.160 There's a lot of people that are going to feel disenfranchised.

00:58:26.240 It's going to create strife between different people who really want to be that person.

00:58:30.820 And so she's the vice president.

00:58:32.400 She's got the president's nominee support. 0.90

00:58:35.440 Just just run her out there. 1.00

00:58:38.660 But, you know, I mean, politics is a cutthroat game.

00:58:41.200 And most of the people involved with it aren't really concerned with the long term viability of the offices and institutions that they're trying to run.

00:58:50.020 You know, for most of these people, if if they can can can get out there and run against Trump for the next few months and, you know,

00:59:00.600 go on TV and let off some like, you know, good one liners and really like get some zingers, you know, out there and then that gets them like a CNN contract after the elections over.

00:59:11.620 That's a win for them.

00:59:12.680 You know, that's that's a win for most of these people, you know.

00:59:15.880 And so. That means, you know, these people are sharks, they're piranhas, they'll eat their own children or a little bit more power and a little bit more status and and they'll burn down their own party if they have to.

00:59:29.540 And the only way that that gets contained is if you can give enough incentives and threaten enough punishments for them doing that, that they that they fall in line.

00:59:38.400 So. Yeah, we didn't even get to to Kamala as a candidate, really, when it comes to the fact that she didn't participate in any of these primaries. 0.93

00:59:48.120 And how do you continue to pretend that Joe Biden can do the job up until the end of the races?

00:59:55.320 All of those are even even more perplexing questions, but we've got to move on here.

01:00:00.520 Do you have time to to do? Yeah, for sure.

01:00:03.340 And real quick, I saw somebody like a bunch of people talking about that.

01:00:06.520 J.D. Vance was talking about. He's like, why, if Biden can't, you know, run for president, if he just doesn't have the health or whatever to run for president, then surely he must resign as president because, you know, how can he not do this?

01:00:18.680 But he's able to do this. And people like want that to make logical sense.

01:00:22.180 It's like, dude, they're not I don't care.

01:00:24.980 Their answer is not like, oh, yes, he can, because their answer is, yeah, whatever.

01:00:30.280 Well, we're going to do this. And what are you going to do about it?

01:00:32.640 Like, that's their answer.

01:00:33.700 The same people who are running the White House when he was officially in there will continue to run it.

01:00:38.440 And what will change? Absolutely nothing other than we probably just they just forget to keep rolling him out, you know, every once in a while.

01:00:45.720 It's basically the the only way that our country really sees any difference.

01:00:50.600 All right. Let's go over to the questions of the people before we do.

01:00:53.820 Daryl, is there anything you want to direct people towards Martyrmaid, your podcast with Jocko, anything like that?

01:01:00.740 Yeah, I got a podcast where I do long form history stuff, mostly not contemporary politics, although some of it, you know, a lot of it deals with like stuff going on in the 60s and 70s and 80s.

01:01:13.140 And it touches on things that are going on today.

01:01:16.180 But it's called the Martyrmaid podcast.

01:01:18.640 If you can't handle, you know, episodes that are six hours long and series that are 30 hours long, then you should probably probably avoid it.

01:01:30.160 But I do another podcast with my buddy, Jocko Willink called The Unraveling, where we do talk about some more contemporary issues and a lot of 20th century history, Cold War history, things like that.

01:01:42.720 Excellent. All right, guys, let's go to your questions.

01:01:46.400 Kevin Manny says, hey, or in first time I've been able to catch the stream live.

01:01:50.000 Huge fan. You convert me for being a libertarian.

01:01:52.720 Well, thank you. That is the greatest compliment that I can receive.

01:01:55.580 I love all that you do and how much you seem to appreciate your fans.

01:01:58.800 Well, thank you, man. I really appreciate it.

01:02:00.620 And I do appreciate you guys.

01:02:01.860 And I hope that, you know, conversations like these are able to add.

01:02:05.240 I'm somebody who, you know, I like J.D. Vance.

01:02:08.540 I'm one of these guys who I was a talk radio conservative most of my life.

01:02:11.940 I'm somebody who had a relatively radical awakening not that long ago.

01:02:17.360 So my hope is always that I can do the same for people that was done for me by others who were more knowledgeable than I was at the time.

01:02:24.600 Okay. Let's see here.

01:02:26.880 Thomas Squire says, even if this wasn't a coup, it's all the elements of a future coup.

01:02:32.600 Lock him up, announce on behalf that he is out.

01:02:35.340 Hide him for a week.

01:02:38.080 Jackma's disappearance, for example, bad precedent.

01:02:42.380 Yeah, there's a there's a truth to that where whether this is specifically a pressure situation or not,

01:02:47.580 it makes it very clear that that's something you can do in the future.

01:02:50.660 Right. Not that I'm here to whine about precedent, I suppose, at this point.

01:02:53.660 But yeah, we're past precedent. Right.

01:02:55.980 Because what this really is, this isn't this isn't doesn't really crack open any new doors.

01:03:01.500 Like all this is, is the way the system has been structured all this time, poking its head above the surface.

01:03:09.120 Right. And we're seeing it. You know, that's really what's going on.

01:03:12.200 And I don't actually look at that as a bad precedent. I don't look at that as a bad thing.

01:03:15.980 I look at that as a is a good thing, if anything.

01:03:17.880 Yeah, this is why I try to tell people all the time, like Trump is not a set of policy positions.

01:03:22.940 Trump is an accelerant on a system that wants to destroy itself.

01:03:26.360 The system is begging for someone to come by and just, you know, lift the weight of the world off its shoulders.

01:03:33.200 It really is like these people as as desperate as they are to hold on to power.

01:03:37.180 None of them actually care about operating a nation in the interests of the people who occupy it.

01:03:44.520 And so they are really are just spinning themselves into this amazing mess where they will rip off every mask.

01:03:50.620 They will destroy every piece of credibility. They just don't care.

01:03:53.580 They can't be bothered to even go through the motions that once defined, you know, kind of this whole show.

01:04:00.020 And that's that's really what Trump brings to the table, whether you like that or not.

01:04:04.840 Let's see here. Senator Brunfly says, if the DNC now wants Kamala, why not step down and give her more legitimacy, especially if Biden is incapacitated?

01:04:17.380 It seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot by going out of their way to be suspicious.

01:04:22.100 Yeah, Daryl kind of alluded to that already. But do you think there do you think there could be any advantage to going ahead and giving her that technical role of incumbency and some time on the job as president or at least sitting in the chair?

01:04:38.280 No, I don't. I think that would be probably overall like it would help her secure the nomination, but it would only it would only if like from the DNC's perspective, it would only hurt them because I mean, again, every single time this woman shows up on camera or in front of, you know, actual human beings, her poll numbers drop by five percent.

01:04:59.160 Like she's just not a likable person and is just very clearly, you know, maybe she has a certain social cunning that's helped her to get to where she is.

01:05:10.220 But this is not this is not an intelligent person who has the intellect to be able to to manage the kind of job that she's applying for here. 0.70

01:05:17.620 And right now, you know, she's in the background. They can kind of manage her media appearances and everything is sort of a television show that they kind of create.

01:05:26.220 You can kind of do that as president. They did that with Biden to a degree, you know, but even still, for people who were paying any kind of attention at all, again, that debate performance performance was not a big surprise.

01:05:37.360 Like he's been there's only so much you can control when you're president. Sometimes you've got to go out there and you've got to go do these things.

01:05:43.420 And even though it's only a few months, you know, just a few months of people actually seeing her stumbling through that job, I think would be would be probably enough to maybe not even just put a fork in her. 0.73

01:05:55.980 I mean, it may like just, you know, it would probably damage the credibility of the Democratic Party at this point.

01:06:01.100 So, yeah, it's amazing. Even her minor appearances are always wildly embarrassing, like when she tried to do the one about space, you know, and sitting down with the kids and trying to be excited about science or whatever.

01:06:13.280 Like she can't it's not that she can't sit down with world leaders. It's that she can't sit down with high school students, you know, and still and still maintain any credibility.

01:06:20.680 Let's see. Robert Weinsfeld here with just a super chat. Thank you very much, sir.

01:06:25.460 Skeptical Panda says, hello, Daryl and Oren. Who wished for interesting times? Because that's certainly what we're living through.

01:06:32.620 Yes. Again, real history showing up at this moment.

01:06:38.120 Life of Brian says they put Biden off the debate because of because Kamala 24 was already part of the deal.

01:06:45.240 Otherwise, they would have brazen that, too.

01:06:48.480 They scheduled early, too, but after the primary to protect Kamala.

01:06:53.820 I'm not sure that this handoff was was built in.

01:06:57.160 I'm I'm pretty skeptical that this was already part of the plan.

01:07:01.560 I mean, it was part of the plan originally, but when it became clear that Kamala Harris is so wildly unlikable and incompetent, I don't I don't think that's the case.

01:07:09.300 But I don't know. What do you think, Daryl? Do you think they were always going to end this off?

01:07:12.340 Mm hmm. I mean, the thing is, if that were the case, if they were thinking ahead to the point where they're like, all right, we need to schedule the primary early and do this and that.

01:07:23.060 And then, like, just look at the chaos of how this actual resignation by Biden has rolled out.

01:07:28.500 I mean, he just disappears for a few days and then a tweet goes out saying I resign.

01:07:33.780 And then we still don't see him, you know, as of now, like whatever, 24, 48 hours later, however long it's been.

01:07:40.360 And I mean, just it would have been like a nice rollout, you know, it would have been like a sort of drumbeat media story that they would have had prepared and people in place ready to give certain narratives.

01:07:50.520 But you've got like his own staff, you know, leaking out saying we learned about this by tweet.

01:07:55.900 He had his own campaign manager that morning on TV saying, let me be crystal clear.

01:08:00.580 He is not dropping out of this race.

01:08:02.560 And so it was just a chaotic, you know, situation.

01:08:05.680 And I think if they really were rolling it out like that, it would have been better planned.

01:08:10.140 And they would have a lot of people like the Bloombergs and the various people out there who were the power brokers in the party.

01:08:15.760 They would already kind of had them on board and they would have known what was going on.

01:08:19.440 You know, it does not seem like that's the case.

01:08:21.680 Yeah, I would agree with that.

01:08:23.400 Let's see here.

01:08:24.440 Ron, the actuary says, what do you think Trump's genuine spiritual religious beliefs are?

01:08:29.120 Does it matter?

01:08:30.100 Honestly, I have no clue.

01:08:31.380 I would imagine that after what has happened, he is a bigger believer in God than he was before.

01:08:37.920 I know if he isn't, then he's insane because he absolutely should be.

01:08:41.480 If that's not divine providence, buddy, I don't know what is.

01:08:45.020 But ultimately, does it matter?

01:08:47.520 Yes.

01:08:48.240 But is that a single issue that would keep me from, you know, wanting Trump to be in power over the left?

01:08:55.360 No.

01:08:55.620 So I think that Trump has a, at very least, a baseline respect for the religious beliefs in the middle of the country.

01:09:02.800 And that is way better than the open hostility that exists on the left for those things.

01:09:07.980 It's better even if he just has a transactional relationship with that, you know, which is fine.

01:09:14.040 That's fine to me.

01:09:15.760 At least he's doing things for them.

01:09:17.320 The sincere Christians on the right haven't done half of what he's done for actual Christians as opposed to Trump, who may not himself be an Orthodox believer.

01:09:27.020 Let's see here.

01:09:28.180 Dylan says, glad to see you have Daryl on.

01:09:30.760 What if the worst case scenario and Harris beats Trump, do you still see a potential President Vance in the future?

01:09:38.380 If Harris beats Trump, then there's a whole other timeline that I think probably spawns there.

01:09:45.560 That's that President Vance, maybe General Vance with like a scar and an eye patch.

01:09:50.860 But yeah, I don't know.

01:09:53.400 Yeah, I don't.

01:09:57.100 You know, who knows, man?

01:09:58.800 But like, no, I don't think so.

01:10:00.560 I think that the demoralization that would take place, I mean, if it didn't turn kinetic, which is honestly very possible, if like, I mean, there's just, if they try to bring Kamala Harris out and say she got 81 million votes, you know, first of all, there's no, like, we're not all locked down right now.

01:10:23.520 And there's a bunch of states that have different rules as far as the mail-in ballots and stuff.

01:10:27.200 Some of them don't, but some of them do.

01:10:29.800 And it's just, it'd be a lot harder to pull something like that off without the COVID lockdowns and everything else.

01:10:35.080 But if they try to come out and do something like that and say that Kamala Harris is somehow the most popular presidential candidate in American history, like Biden was, you know, in 2020.

01:10:45.060 I mean, yeah, I don't, I just don't.

01:10:49.740 It's almost funny to think about that, to be honest.

01:10:52.140 And I think you're right.

01:10:53.020 I think, you know, the question really, I think that he's asking is if that were to happen, and if that demoralization, we were to go through that process of demoralization, would the coalition be able to put itself back together and reconstitute itself in order to bring somebody like J.D. Vance to power eventually?

01:11:11.260 And I don't know, man, I feel like the, I think that a lot of, and again, this is a weakness of these kinds of politics too, right?

01:11:22.480 And it's why I'm glad he picked J.D. Vance as opposed to another, you know, okay, I need to make peace with, you know, this faction of the Republican Party.

01:11:32.660 So I'm going to pick Mike Pence or whatever, is that like, you know, these people's loyalty is tied to Donald Trump.

01:11:40.740 It's not, they're not Republicans now.

01:11:43.460 They're not like, that's not who these people are.

01:11:45.640 These people are loyal to Donald Trump.

01:11:47.840 And if J.D. Vance can step into those shoes, and you know, I've been getting, I've been getting a lot of phone calls and texts from family members and friends who are not political, like at all.

01:11:59.440 They're Trump supporters.

01:12:00.860 They're the people who, they hadn't voted maybe in the last three cycles or whatever, but they voted for Trump, you know, because they got into it.

01:12:07.900 They got swept up in it, who, they never read Hillbilly Elegy, but they went on Netflix and watched the movie.

01:12:13.460 And they're like, I love this guy.

01:12:15.420 And it means a lot to them, you know, and they, they think of him as a guy who, you know, this guy could, could be somebody who steps into those shoes and carries a torch forward.

01:12:24.980 And so the question is like, whether that coalition could hold together, you know, through four or more years of, of really being out of power again.

01:12:36.000 I mean, it's already been four years, so four more years out of power being targeted.

01:12:40.020 And, um, yeah, I don't know.

01:12:44.020 I mean, it would be really, I think it would be really tough.

01:12:46.340 I think it would be really tough because you would need, because Trump, look, if Trump loses this time, quote unquote loses, doesn't matter how brazen it is or anything.

01:12:55.500 Uh, yeah, there are a lot of factions within the Republican party still who are maybe keeping quiet right now.

01:13:01.940 And I've been keeping their heads down because, you know, they have to, who are going to jump up and say, okay, enough is enough.

01:13:07.900 We've lost two elections in a row because of this.

01:13:10.480 And it's time for da, da, da, da, da.

01:13:12.640 And those people are going to come back out of the woodwork like crazy, you know?

01:13:16.400 And JD Vance, are you kidding?

01:13:18.260 Like this guy represents the failed politics of Donald Trump.

01:13:21.180 It cost us two elections.

01:13:22.220 Why?

01:13:22.360 We lost Kamala Harris.

01:13:24.260 Like we shouldn't have lost that.

01:13:25.140 They would come out of the woodwork and you would really like, uh, you know, you'd have an internal and external battle on your hands.

01:13:32.420 So I don't know.

01:13:34.040 I mean, but if you're really asking what I think would happen, it's along the lines of what you said.

01:13:38.400 I think we're on a, if they try to pull that off, um, we're on a very, very different time.

01:13:44.860 Politics get even more real.

01:13:46.480 Yeah.

01:13:46.820 Yeah.

01:13:47.280 Yeah.

01:13:47.840 The times get more interesting.

01:13:49.460 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:50.540 Uh, Gabriel of Lindbergh says,

01:13:53.720 uh, strong man in issues are put up on, uh, referendums.

01:13:58.180 The questions heavily tilted towards the desired outcome outcome.

01:14:01.800 Strong man still imposes his will anyway.

01:14:04.260 Uh, but under the guise of ultimate democracy, uh, out democracy, the lovers of democracy.

01:14:11.260 Uh, I mean, I think that's pretty much the tactic of every strong man that that's kind of, that that's always how that works.

01:14:17.640 Uh, you, you make a, you, the, the populist push is also is always exactly the process that you're kind of.

01:14:23.720 Uh, explaining there, uh, you always want to manufacture a mandate of the people, uh, even, even if you're running a semi-authoritarian government.

01:14:31.960 Yeah.

01:14:32.360 Yeah.

01:14:32.400 Cause people, you know, on the right or just conservative people, you know, people who are even not ideological, but just sort of Pat Buchanan's conservatives of the heart, you know, uh, these are people who like the left, we have a different organizing principle from the left.

01:14:48.080 Right.

01:14:48.540 The left organizes like a mob organizes to self-organizing thing that can work up a ton of energy and go in this direction.

01:14:56.200 And then a moment later, it's going off in another direction.

01:14:58.860 It can just coalesce around an issue.

01:15:01.380 Um, and, and, uh, that's how it's very powerful.

01:15:05.360 It's hard to deal with a lot of the time.

01:15:07.960 Um, the right doesn't work that way.

01:15:09.880 We don't, we don't work well trying to engage in mob politics.

01:15:14.720 When we do it, we inevitably fail and we feel bad about it afterwards.

01:15:18.740 And like, don't even defend the people that we sent out, you know, on the front lines to the barricades, because we all feel like it shouldn't have happened.

01:15:25.580 It's not how we work.

01:15:26.600 The way the right works is they wait until they identify a leader that they can follow.

01:15:32.260 And then they fall in line and they'll follow that person.

01:15:35.400 That's just how the right works.

01:15:36.620 And if people who don't like that, people who are still kind of libertarian leaning and think that, you know, that that's a, that's a primitive way of looking at politics.

01:15:44.280 It's that's, that's how the right organizes is it organizes behind leadership.

01:15:49.060 It's comfortable with chain of command.

01:15:50.900 It's comfortable with hierarchy and you find somebody who's credible and you hold them to account.

01:15:54.820 But as long as they're representing you, they're still representing you.

01:15:59.620 Then all you can do is give them the power to act on your behalf because the institutions are not controlled by you.

01:16:06.760 The institutions are all arrayed against you.

01:16:08.760 The only way Caesar's got enough power to go against those institutions is he's got your, you know, he's got your absolute loyalty as long as he's continuing to represent you.

01:16:20.060 And so, you know, that's, again, that's fine with me.

01:16:24.180 I mean, you and I are obviously like ahead of the game, you know, compared to a lot of people as far as realizing how far down the path toward, toward, well, maybe, maybe we disagree on the outcomes.

01:16:38.080 I don't know, but like, we're pretty far along, you know, the deep, dark path on where the American government is at this point.

01:16:44.260 And that a lot of the myths and tales we tell ourselves are, you know, if they were true in the fifties are not true now.

01:16:50.960 And so I don't have a problem, you know, with that.

01:16:53.960 Like if Trump were to go out there and say, elect me for four years and it, and, and I will immediately suspend Congress, suspend the Supreme Court and rule from the White House for four years.

01:17:09.260 And then in four years, you can decide if I've done a good job.

01:17:12.920 And if not, you can vote me, put all those things back in place.

01:17:16.580 That's fine.

01:17:17.560 Let's do it.

01:17:18.380 I'm down, you know, a crisis of parliamentary democracy, if you will.

01:17:24.200 Let's see here.

01:17:25.300 Ron, the actuary says, what are the odds that something fishy happens during the attempt on Trump's life case based purely on your gut?

01:17:34.000 Uh, yeah, it's, I had this, uh, discussion, uh, on an earlier episode, whether it's malice or, or incompetence.

01:17:42.500 Uh, we came, me and Sean Davis from the Federalist came down on aggressive malice with the intention of, or aggressive incompetence with the intended malice.

01:17:51.100 Uh, but I don't know what, what do you feel like?

01:17:54.660 I mean, there's a lot that's really hard to understand about, you know, for all the memes out there about the, uh, you know, with, with the woman secret service agent,

01:18:03.820 who can't put her gun in her holster and everything, and no, looks so silly.

01:18:07.160 And how did they make such terror?

01:18:10.380 I know people who've worked as a secret service.

01:18:12.880 I know people who've like met with presidents and vice presidents who had to like secret service come in and prepare the ground, you know, for, for, uh, for them coming.

01:18:23.240 And man, like, these are like, these are not incompetent people.

01:18:27.920 These people know how to do their job, you know?

01:18:30.120 And so that's what makes it even harder to really understand what happened that day.

01:18:35.140 Um, but, you know, at the same time, like, you know, look, if, uh, you know, if, if, if the deep state or whatever, uh, wants Donald Trump dead, um, that kid, whatever his name was, uh, that's not, that's not the guy that they are going to roll the dice on and hope that he pulls it off.

01:18:57.600 You know what I mean?

01:18:58.440 Like, that's, um, that's not the way they're going to do it.

01:19:01.460 There's a million, there's a million ways they can do it that, uh, yeah, that I, like, cause the thing is like, you know, we're in this age now where you almost don't have to do that.

01:19:10.420 Right. All you really have to do is put all this hate propaganda out there, know that it's going to activate the 0.1% to the 0.1% at the bottom of your craziest, you know, base of supporters.

01:19:24.060 And then just sort of let things go and say, look, you know, um, he's got to, he's going to do 50 rallies.

01:19:31.480 There's going to be one that, uh, you know, um, that, that, the, that the security is going to have a lapse.

01:19:39.180 And, um, you know, that, that's all you have to do.

01:19:42.500 You just throw the chum out there and then kind of wait for something to happen. 0.92

01:19:45.300 And, and, but as far as like it being like a, like a deep state assassination or where, I mean, you have to really think about like, that's a tough, that's a tough, like, it would have to be like, they would have had to involve local police.

01:19:58.220 You know, they would have had to tell the local police.

01:20:00.640 If you see this long haired, blonde haired kid coming with a rifle, you know, don't, don't interfere.

01:20:05.120 Like he's one of us or whatever and like get no leaks or whatever.

01:20:08.560 It's just that, it's just not really plausible that it went that deep.

01:20:11.320 Um, but it's obviously the case that, you know, that they were throwing assassination chum out into the water, just like, you know, uh, all of the people who attacked Kenosha, Wisconsin, you know, they're not like on the government payroll.

01:20:25.840 They're not like a military unit that they sent to attack them.

01:20:29.040 They just threw the chum into the water and people responded, you know, and, um, that's what happened.

01:20:38.380 Yep.

01:20:38.600 I agree.

01:20:39.080 You just go ahead and jump up the water.

01:20:40.420 You leave security lacks long enough.

01:20:42.420 And eventually the numbers simply play themselves out.

01:20:45.320 Uh, Robert, uh, Weisfeld says a real talk.

01:20:48.340 Which one of you wins in a BJJ match?

01:20:50.420 Uh, definitely Daryl.

01:20:51.600 Uh, it's been quite a while since I've rolled.

01:20:53.760 I could probably could probably do it for fun, but, uh, I think he's still active.

01:20:57.620 So he's, he's got me in training for now.

01:21:00.720 Uh, let's see here.

01:21:02.700 People are says a polling indicates hair.

01:21:04.600 Well, Harris won't be getting a honeymoon period.

01:21:06.820 She won't even survive the summer.

01:21:09.120 Yeah, it is strange.

01:21:11.220 Again, you feel like if they know that they're going to lose anyway, then staying with Joe

01:21:15.940 Biden would have just made sense.

01:21:17.680 I feel like the shift to Harris makes it clear that someone is going to try to win this election,

01:21:22.280 but she is such a disaster herself that that's why I think there are these different factions that are still jockeying a little bit. 0.86

01:21:29.800 I think it's going to have to be Harris.

01:21:31.160 I think they were successful in that.

01:21:33.560 I think they're going to have a hard time moving that by the time they get to the convention.

01:21:37.240 If someone makes wants to make an alternative, uh, argument, but, uh, I mean, the argument against that though, right.

01:21:43.400 Is like, who is Kamala Harris's constituency, like both within the power structure and then out in the public?

01:21:50.460 Like, who's really going to be so upset that she got, you know, turned back?

01:21:56.360 Like, I don't think there's any, I don't know if there's anybody in the, you know, that's really that.

01:22:01.060 She is the ideological candidate.

01:22:03.720 She is the DEI candidate.

01:22:05.060 She has all of the things on paper, but literally no, no grassroots at all.

01:22:09.720 Yeah.

01:22:10.620 Yeah.

01:22:12.020 All right.

01:22:12.620 Yeah.

01:22:12.920 I mean, you know, real quick, if they thought they were going to lose, like if they were just sort of planning on that, the really like the best way to undermine the future Trump presidency and like help keep that contained.

01:22:22.520 They should have waited until October 15th.

01:22:25.800 And then Biden has a health crisis and has to drop out and they just have no time to even put up a new candidate and Trump wins, of course, but they could say he has no popular mandate.

01:22:36.180 Why this only happened because our guy got sick in October or whatever.

01:22:40.180 I would have been removed, but, you know, clearly there's people out there, especially the people.

01:22:44.620 I mean, look, still people given tens, hundreds of millions of dollars to the Democrat candidate, you know, even since like since Biden stepped down, like in the last 24 hours.

01:22:53.680 And so there's still people out there that think they're going to try to win this thing.

01:22:57.200 Well, you have to understand there are a there is a good percentage of people like much larger than than most people on the right who are cynical about this belief, who completely buy into the idea that Donald Trump is bringing like Mecca, Hitler, Handmaid's Tale.

01:23:11.820 You know, everybody's going back in chains like they truly buy into that future.

01:23:16.840 They that is not some delusional fever dream for them.

01:23:19.940 They absolutely believe it.

01:23:21.540 Their donors believe it.

01:23:22.980 And they will.

01:23:23.720 Like you said, there is at least a large amount of money, if nothing else, to still be scraped out of the bottom of this barrel.

01:23:29.820 And so as long as that's there, then there is an incentive to go ahead and continue to push that, even if there's a certain politically realist percentage that understand that this race may be over.

01:23:40.340 Or let's see here.

01:23:42.700 James Coffey says, what do you think of Whitney Webb's reporting on J.D. Vance being a CIA Peter Thiel Trojan horse for CBDC and digital passports?

01:23:53.380 Any opinion on J.D. Vance as the the actual candidate of the secret total state?

01:23:59.820 Yeah, look, man, like, well, first of all, like, I mean, Peter Thiel is a in full disclosure.

01:24:08.000 I met him once at a party, but that's as far as my relationship goes with him.

01:24:14.120 You know, the idea like Peter Thiel is is behind the scenes like George Soros and like whatever on that level, like operating things.

01:24:23.240 He's got some influence, you know, among like the Claremont crowd and like certain factions of the right, you know, trying to promote candidates and people that that he likes.

01:24:33.000 But honestly, like it's done for ideological and political reasons, as far as I can tell.

01:24:39.600 Like, I don't think this guy's like, you know.

01:24:43.280 I mean, look, Palantir, like it's a little weird to me, like I don't fully understand everything about it.

01:24:48.220 And what I do know about it is sort of sort of alarming, you know, but, you know, it's like it's a company that would exist whether Peter Thiel started it or not.

01:24:57.280 And it's a function that would be occurring whether he started it or not.

01:25:01.460 And, you know, yeah, I don't know, man.

01:25:04.980 Like, look, Tulsi Gabbard, who I do know a little bit, like, you know, she went like, you know, she used to go to like to to a World Economic Forum event.

01:25:14.960 She was like, you know, people point that out, like, oh, she's a Davos puppet or whatever.

01:25:20.300 She is not a Davos puppet.

01:25:22.480 You're coming up like, you know, in your young political career and people say, hey, do you want to come to this thing in Switzerland?

01:25:28.880 It's like the biggest thing in the world.

01:25:31.140 All these famous people.

01:25:32.420 Yeah, of course I want to go.

01:25:33.780 Let's go.

01:25:34.320 And then they go.

01:25:35.840 And, you know, or, you know, you take a job.

01:25:38.360 It's just you make these connections that are very tenuous a lot of the time.

01:25:42.600 And unless you can actually show me that he's been out there, like, promoting things that you can point to that show, like, a certain subservience to these things.

01:25:53.100 And, you know, and if that all turns out to be wrong, if he just is like a full on class traitor, like, you know, is completely fake and he gets in there, then that's fine.

01:26:03.400 I'll admit I was wrong and I'll be out on the barricades with you.

01:26:06.620 But, you know, somebody like Whitney Webb, you know, she's this is this is what she does.

01:26:12.120 Like her thing is like she's going to identify a conspiracy and like, you know, put it all together, bring all the pieces together and sell it to you. 0.66

01:26:19.420 That's the that's the kind of content she produces. 1.00

01:26:22.640 And so, you know, the chances of her digging into J.D. Vance's past and then writing you a story saying I checked him out and he's clean were zero percent, you know.

01:26:34.300 And so and I'm not saying that to discredit anything else she's done, you know, she's done, as far as I know, some good stuff on Epstein or whatever.

01:26:42.540 But sometimes you just got to wait and see, you know, just got to wait and see.

01:26:47.960 And and and it relates back to what we were saying about, like, you know, people being why people are loyal to Trump.

01:26:53.020 I look at somebody like J.D. Vance and say, look, any of these people might be Trojan horses.

01:26:57.540 Any of them might be fake. Any of them might secretly be my enemy.

01:27:00.960 For now, I'm going to ride on the fact that I know where this guy came from and I know where he came from.

01:27:07.500 And if he betrays all that and betrays everything he came from, all his people, every then that's fine.

01:27:13.360 We'll deal with him. But for the time being, like to me, that's the strongest indicator.

01:27:18.260 You know what I mean? If you're somebody who subscribes to elite theory and I most certainly am, then guys, you need to remember that part of elite theory is the circulation of elites.

01:27:26.980 And Pareto says very specifically that you never actually completely turn over who the elites are.

01:27:32.640 You're always going to welcome in some percentage of the elites in the old regime into the new regime.

01:27:39.240 And so if you're looking at people who are currently elites and saying, oh, man, I wish we had patronage.

01:27:45.680 I wish we had powerful people who fought for us and were on our side.

01:27:49.040 But you're also like, well, why aren't these people 100 percent ideologically aligned with my very online specific understanding of the way that right wing politics should?

01:27:56.980 Be then you're really missing out and understanding even the most theoretical parts of what we're talking about here.

01:28:04.880 There will be people who are in positions of power who will stay in positions of power, even if things change radically.

01:28:11.020 And those people are going to be critical for you attaining anything you want.

01:28:15.380 So just accept some co-belligerence every once in a while and try not to spiral yourself to death here.

01:28:21.460 It's one of the things that so many people just really didn't understand about Trump when he was president or even now.

01:28:29.080 Like, you know, that like, why is he accommodating like, you know, these people over here?

01:28:33.980 These we don't like these people.

01:28:35.220 It's like he's accommodating them because they have actual power.

01:28:39.880 They have power.

01:28:41.000 They don't have total power, but they have some power.

01:28:43.660 And if he can neutralize them by making a small concession, then you're going to, you know, like an online radical is going to see that and be like, oh, see, see, see, see, like he hired John Bolton or whatever.

01:28:54.680 And it's like, well, OK, if he could bring John, I don't like John Bolton anymore, anybody else, you can bring that guy into your administration, throw him in as a national security advisor and let him give you input every day.

01:29:08.000 But when it comes down to like whether we're going to strike Iran after they shot down that drone of ours and Bolton just wants it done, you tell him no.

01:29:16.360 And, you know, like if having that guy on in a position like that gets the neocons off your back for six months so that you can deal with some other things, then these are this is these are compromises that like are necessary in a system like ours.

01:29:33.640 Real politics turns out is political.

01:29:37.060 It's not just and that can be you can turn that that can you take that too far and it becomes cope and it becomes like 40 chess and everything like that.

01:29:44.300 That's definitely true.

01:29:45.520 And so I'm not saying that I'm not saying excuse everything and trust the plan or anything like that.

01:29:50.200 But you've got to be realistic about the fact that, you know, these these competing power centers actually exist and they have actual power that they can wield that can gum up the works or worse for anything that you're trying to do.

01:30:03.120 And you have to deal with those with those people.

01:30:07.600 Let's see here.

01:30:08.900 Inquisitor's zeal says Cooper's entire analysis of Vance past falls apart when you consider Vance miscegenated and destroyed his bloodline.

01:30:18.280 No man who loves his family as people would do this.

01:30:20.720 Look, man, I hate to break it to you, but no one in power is going to buy into like the purity of your ethno state at this point.

01:30:27.620 Whatever situation you might feel you're in, you're going to be in a coalition in the United States.

01:30:33.920 It's nice to finally have people in the mainstream right care about the way that, say, white people are treated in the United States, realizing that maybe hating them or, you know, killing them with fentanyl or getting rid of their communities and their jobs isn't worthwhile.

01:30:47.960 Maybe you can just take the win on that and, you know, but I guess if that's where you want to draw the line that the man fell in love and got married, then you got him.

01:30:55.800 It's over.

01:30:57.340 Let's see here.

01:30:59.260 Thomas Esquire says, I would be fine with Trump just announcing that he is now the emperor of America and there won't be an election.

01:31:05.760 Easily 50 million people would agree.

01:31:07.900 You get the Trump and the 40K God Emperor meme there.

01:31:12.320 Guys, just so you know, I'm going to wrap it up with this super chat because we have gone well over time.

01:31:17.660 Thank you for Daryl for sticking through all of this.

01:31:20.880 Rubicon says, did Daryl Cooper move out of Cali?

01:31:24.360 Daryl, obviously, if you don't want to.

01:31:25.900 Yes, I did.

01:31:27.200 There you go.

01:31:28.640 All right, guys.

01:31:29.280 I moved out of California.

01:31:30.700 Yeah, as any sane person, I think, would do.

01:31:33.600 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:31:35.720 Thank you once again to Daryl for coming on.

01:31:38.100 Always a fantastic conversation.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 22, 2024

Biden Bails Out, Endorses Kamala ｜ Guest： Darryl Cooper ｜ 7⧸22⧸24

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