Daryl Cooper of the Martyr Maid Podcast joins me to discuss Joe Biden's announcement that he will not be running for President in 2020. Is this a palace coup? Or is this a genuine decision by a Democratic presidential candidate?
00:09:56.520And you have to ask yourself, what does that mean?
00:09:59.600Because I think the Democrats, obviously, a Democratic president relies on the news media.
00:10:05.640Like you said, it's not a real shift in power.
00:10:08.180It's just one organism of power continuing.
00:10:10.560It might shift whatever puppet it's holding, shaking in front of you at the moment.
00:10:13.980But it continues on regardless of it's Biden or Harris or whoever they happen to be presenting.
00:10:19.400However, Trump really does, at least at some level, represent a break from that system.
00:10:25.720And so he cannot be so easily unseated from his position because the support he has is organic in a way that somebody like Biden or Harris couldn't possibly have.
00:10:36.800Maybe Obama, due to the historical significance of his campaign, might have had that level of push against the system if he really wanted it.
00:10:44.840But someone like Biden or Harris just kind of gets completely folded over in a way that Trump doesn't because they are completely astroturfing.
00:10:51.840Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to add to that.
00:11:00.680You know, when you talk about somebody who has a populist mandate and you can say Obama, you know, Obama was astroturf to a certain degree, but he earned a populist mandate, you know, by performing well when he was on stage and doing what he was supposed to do.
00:11:14.660So you do get a you know, you get a you get a base of organized support that that that is not under the direct control of the permanent government.
00:11:30.180I mean, look, there's a reason why it has nothing to do with.
00:11:34.740I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with ideology.
00:11:36.760That's not necessarily true, but there's a reason why.
00:11:39.340Like, MAGA, despite the fact that four years in office, it pretty much did what a Republican would do.
00:11:48.780You know, maybe a few fringes here and there were different and so forth, but basically, basically did, you know, nothing that was it was real radical that anybody would have considered radical even 10 years ago.
00:12:00.840So but despite that, you know, the reason that the system reacted so so violently against MAGA is because that coalition that it brought together, you know, those forgotten sort of working and middle class whites in the middle of the country.
00:12:16.000The people who, you know, who the people who are willing to who are willing, but maybe have been afraid to point out just the glaring ridiculousness of a lot of what they're being told that they have to believe and say in public, you know, no matter who they are, that that's a coalition.
00:12:38.320It's probably the only coalition that if it really came together and fell in behind, you know, a group of leaders or a single leader could really challenge the power of of the permanent system, you know, really could.
00:12:52.760Like, if you look at the Democratic coalition, it's all broken up.
00:12:58.080You know, you've got pro-Palestine people and Zionist Jews.
00:13:00.960You've got women and trans and Muslims, you know, like it's just any one of those can be played off against the other at any given time, isolated as necessary and moved off to the side and very easily managed.
00:13:32.980Only only that coalition is capable of that.
00:13:36.020And that's, you know, that's why they're that's why they're afraid of it.
00:13:40.360And, you know, it's I mean, by the time we finish recording this, you know, who knows, Biden might be announced that, you know, he's he's stuffed in a freezer in the White House basement.
00:13:54.040Like, I'm really at the point where, you know, he needs to show up to like a major league baseball game in front of thousands of people and take a DNA test on the field and have like the test evaluated with the machinery or whatever, like right there in front of me before.
00:14:11.280Otherwise, I'm just going to assume like everything is a deep fake, like the dude is stuffed in a White House, you know, freezer.
00:14:17.520And, you know, I mean, you know, the crazy thing is that we're sort of at this weird point now, right, where, you know, there's like polls.
00:14:30.340I don't want to change the subject too much, but I'll get around to it.
00:14:33.120Like the there are polls that show that like 70 percent of Americans think that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered in prison.
00:14:40.840Right. And that the whole thing is a cover. It's like 70 percent.
00:14:43.580And so you think, OK, so if 70 percent of people think there was this, you know, this mass pedophile ring that had information on all sorts of powerful people who got who went to prison and then was murdered in prison.
00:14:59.440And then there was a huge cover up. Well, surely, you know, we're where are the protests, right?
00:15:06.100There must be riots in the streets. Why? There must be. But of course, none of that's the case.
00:15:10.600People just kind of became a joke, like people just kind of laugh at it, like, oh, he got Epstein or whatever.
00:15:15.240Like, it's just a joke. And I don't know that has something to do with, you know, the difference in the way we we receive and digest information now, media, you know,
00:15:26.200through the Internet and social media or what it is. But it seems like no matter what it is, everything just sort of becomes a piece of content.
00:15:34.200And gets thrown up into the quote unquote discourse and batted around for a while, and then it just sort of takes its place in the meme sphere and we and we move on.
00:15:44.140And so, I mean, you know, I think that's one of the reasons January 6th kind of shook them as much as it did, is it's always sort of been that way.
00:15:51.620Like, yeah, we yeah, they stole the election. Everybody believes that everybody knows that.
00:15:55.980Ha ha ha. Isn't that funny? You know, when they steal it again in 2032, people will say, oh, he got Trumped, you know, and it's just sort of a big joke.
00:16:05.340And nobody really does anything except for maybe online or whatever.
00:16:08.980And when that broke out into the real world, like that's something that they just weren't really prepared for.
00:16:15.240And and, you know, they they've reacted against it in such a draconian and disproportionate way, I think, because of that.
00:16:22.780But and so. Yeah, I don't know, man, like the thing is, like anything like it could be with all the stuff that's happened over like the last eight years or so, 10 years now, like anything could be true.
00:16:39.400I mean, like if the Epstein thing happened, anything could be true. If, you know, the whole just any number of things like the Russiagate madness for, you know, for three years going from, you know, during covid just in the blink of an eye going from get in your house or we'll arrest you to go out into the streets and riot.
00:16:59.440We celebrate you to get the hell back in your house or we'll arrest you. And like in like the same month, then anything can happen, you know, because everybody's sort of fixated on the screen.
00:17:11.000And that's really the world that they live in for the most part. That's where at least especially politically engaged people.
00:17:17.020That's really like the rub of it. Right. Is the people who are most politically engaged live in here more than anybody else.
00:17:23.680The sense of living far away. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, anything.
00:17:30.020Like if they were to tell us that if it were just to come out, you know, that that Biden died of covid today. Right.
00:17:37.840You know, he just took a turn for the worst. And yeah, we know there were no news reports on Saturday that like, oh, his his health is quickly declining.
00:17:46.640And doctors are flying in from Bethesda and Walter Reed to try to get to the bottom of this.
00:17:51.900And oh, it's just not working. And oh, we lost him. And if, you know, he but if none of that happens and, you know, he's he died.
00:17:59.440And everybody's going to look at that and think, well, you know, I don't buy that for a second. Nobody should.
00:18:06.000But, you know, you start to question with that. Would anything happen? And I don't I don't really think it would.
00:18:12.640I think it would just be like a new twist, a new plot twist in the movie.
00:18:15.740Yeah, there's this weird propensity for them to even come out and admit this later. Right.
00:18:20.580We got that with the 2020 election. They literally ran an article in Time magazine taking a victory lap about the fact that they they called themselves a shadowy cabal of people who changed the election in in favor of Joe Biden.
00:18:34.040And obviously, like you said, they're now admitting the fact that Joe Biden doesn't run the country.
00:18:38.580We started to get the narrative after the debate about how you're really electing an office.
00:18:43.180You know, the presidency is an office. It's not a man. Right.
00:18:45.840And so it's weird because he said I wrote a book about this and I'm wondering if this is just going to be obsolete in a year because they'll just come out and look to everything that I was attempting to kind of illuminate.
00:18:58.380But there is this weird propensity for them to not just do this stuff, but come out and brag about it as if, oh, well, no, see, we're competent because we can still do the thing like, yeah, no, the kind of the wheels are coming off.
00:19:11.120The system's becoming obvious. The mind control device is now something everyone can can witness.
00:19:17.080But really, it's OK, because this system is still better than anything else.
00:19:21.740And speaking of, you know, the mind control device and everyone staring at the screen, what do you think about the role that Twitter played in this?
00:19:28.640Because it's pretty wild, right? Like apparently most of the staff had no clue.
00:19:32.880There's only a handful of people before the announcement was made.
00:19:35.820It comes out on Twitter. Like you said, there's no proof of life.
00:19:38.840We don't get Biden holding a current newspaper, you know, like like he's a bad hostage in a movie like nothing like we just get this random document.
00:19:46.380And it shows up on Twitter. It's like, well, if the intern has the Twitter password, then do they get to decide who's president of the United States?
00:19:54.860Yeah, like just make it turn into a fait accompli that like you can't walk it back now, grandpa.
00:20:00.300I mean, it's crazy because his it was the same day, right?
00:20:03.220Like on the morning news channels, like the morning news shows, his campaign manager was out there like using words like crystal clear.
00:20:10.860Let me be crystal clear. Joe Biden is in this race to win it. He's not going anywhere, et cetera, et cetera.
00:20:15.720And then like hours later, this happens and then we still haven't seen this guy.
00:20:19.740I mean, it's yeah, of course, it's unprecedented. I mean, that goes without saying that it's unprecedented.
00:20:25.220It's something that like really couldn't have happened in a prior era, you know?
00:20:31.660I mean, you had like maybe, you know, you had like Woodrow Wilson who had his stroke and the country was basically being run by his wife for like the last, you know, half a year or so of his time in office.
00:20:43.440And they just covered it up. They just kept him on ice in the White House and let the thing keep on going.
00:20:49.600So, you know, that's very easy to do in 1918, you know, 1917, 1918.
00:20:55.240It's not so easy to do thanks to Uncle Elon these days.
00:20:59.220But it would be a lot easier if that wasn't there, you know, because I mean, what we're finding out, right, is that it doesn't really matter.
00:21:08.760You can have a hundred channels under control.
00:21:11.560If there's one channel that's not under control, eventually everyone's going to know it.
00:21:16.320Everyone's going to know that that's where you go for actual information.
00:21:19.480And that's where, you know, it's going to be the only one that has any kind of real legitimacy with people, even people who don't want to who want to believe the channels you control.
00:21:28.440And because, I mean, you look at like, you know, look at all these journalists, all these regime journalists and political activists who when Elon took over, I'm leaving Twitter.
00:21:36.180Why, by God, I'm I'm just going to none of them left, none of them, because this is where it's at.
00:21:42.380I mean, it's just, you know, the one place where, you know, you can go and that actually has some has some cultural legitimacy as far as, you know, the place to get real information.
00:21:51.100You can't avoid it. You have to come back here.
00:21:53.160So even those even the regime propagandists and the palace scribes, like they have to come back here to, like, get their information and talk to each other.
00:22:00.980And so if that wasn't in place, I mean, we'd be in a very interesting world.
00:22:05.260We probably have like all the social media companies, you know, banning us for talking about Joe Biden's health and direct messages, you know, and forbidding us from from sharing news articles, you know, about it.
00:22:17.220And it might be where where we would be.
00:22:21.760So, yeah, that's why I tried to explain to people when Elon bought Twitter that that was the most politically significant event that had happened in many, many decades.
00:22:31.700It's far more important than any Republican bill, any election, any of these things, because the you know, the the medium is the place where the battle actually happens.
00:22:41.760You know, in previous coup attempts, you would have to capture the airport or the TV station, the radio station, something there would have to be some physical thing, even when it was propaganda based.
00:22:52.820You still had to go and get a hold of one of these things.
00:22:55.900Now, the way that information is filtered, like you said, you know, we had this Trump shooting and every one of the mainstream media outlets was like Trump, you know, stumbles off stage, seems to grab ear, heard loud noise, possibly scared.
00:23:11.200Twitter is the only place where you found out that the president is shot.
00:23:14.120Twitter is the only place where you saw him bleeding.
00:23:16.780Twitter is the only place where you recognize what was really going on.
00:23:20.660And so it's very interesting that despite the fact, like you said, that they've locked down so many of these avenues, they have all of the airports, they have all of the TV stations.
00:23:30.460But just this one avenue becomes not only a place where you can get real news, but because of that becomes the authority, becomes the place where things actually happen.
00:24:10.420I guess something's real if it has the ability to affect reality, right?
00:24:15.880And I mean, obviously, like these events are like still just developing right in front of us right now.
00:24:21.480And it's hard to know what's going on.
00:24:23.740I mean, like, would anybody be like truly shocked at this point if Joe Biden came on TV tonight in the Oval Office and said, you know, I'm firing like 30 people from my cabinet and my interns because this happened.
00:24:36.720And I'm absolutely – it would be crazy, but it wouldn't be any crazier than anything that's happened over the last few weeks.
00:24:43.740You know, people would just roll with it because it's kind of the place that we're at now where, like, people almost expect that kind of pace and intensity from politics.
00:24:53.960And, I mean, I almost think that, you know, people – like, they say – they said in 2020 that, like, the reason they wanted Biden was because they wanted a return to normalcy and a return to the calm politics of the past.
00:25:08.580And I think, like, you know, the people who were writing think pieces about that and stuff probably did, you know, feel that way to a degree or they wanted to project that feeling.
00:25:20.540I feel like people who are real politically engaged are kind of addicted to the adrenaline high at this point, you know.
00:25:27.340And the fact that the president's, like, a senile old dude, I mean, like, you know how crazy it is, bro, that, like, to witness all these people who are acting – they were acting so surprised that, like, Joe Biden maybe seems to be slipping a little bit, that his cognitive impairment might be sort of, like, a little bit more than we thought.
00:25:51.640But, like, you know, it's happened several times on multiple occasions where he is in a one-on-one meeting sitting in a chair across from another world leader with just the two of them, dozens of cameras, dozens of, like, flashing cameras, journalists everywhere.
00:26:09.300And he's literally falling asleep while the other world leader looks around and tries to pick up the slack and just not be too awkward.
00:26:17.100And, like, you witness something like that.
00:26:18.780I mean, if you can't keep it together for that, right, then, like, you can only imagine what's going on behind the scenes.
00:26:37.880They were attacking everybody who questioned his fitness, yeah.
00:26:40.620Because to them, a president who sleeps 18 hours a day and spends the other six hours, you know, just eating ice cream or whatever, that's the best president that they could imagine, you know.
00:27:22.580They care that he's being destroyed in the polls and that his debate performance was just so awful that, you know, it just – you couldn't gaslight – it was just a step too far to gaslight people any more about them, right?
00:27:38.080And that may be – again, to go back to what you said, that may be because social media has been cracked open by Twitter, you know, because it's forced the other social media companies to kind of adapt on the fly too.
00:27:49.880Like, it's a lot harder for Facebook to just ban everybody for talking about certain things when Twitter's over here allowing free speech.
00:28:08.740Like, it may have just been – because, you know, some people watched the debate.
00:28:13.480A lot of people maybe turned it on for a little bit and thought this Biden guy looks old.
00:28:17.160Most people probably didn't watch it at all.
00:28:19.880And they could have just run every news channel saying Biden looked great and Trump is such a liar and Biden just took him apart on stage and, you know, just controlling the online discourse in a way that makes it seem like any claim to the contrary is just partisan nonsense.
00:28:36.020You know, it's just Republicans trying to talk up their – they probably could have pulled something like that off, you know?
00:28:40.940It's not like most people are engaged with this stuff, like, on a regular basis.
00:28:45.960Like, we are – like, the people who – everybody watching this is, like, that, you know, course.
00:29:02.720But, again, once you crack that egg open and there's a leak in the information ecosystem – I'll try to think of a third metaphor to mix on top of that.
00:31:08.720You just take the entire thing as a big picture.
00:31:11.960You know, having every press outlet and social media company censoring negative information about your guy, just an unprecedented censorship campaign in favor of one candidate over the other.
00:31:25.980All of the, you know, the Mark Zuckerberg stuff with the local voting stations, just all the different things that went into that election.
00:31:34.580And then like the election night itself, where, you know, Trump is up massively, just cruising to a victory.
00:31:40.500He's about to get the most votes of anybody in American history by many millions.
00:31:47.740And then the four swing states and only those four swing states shut down at midnight, which nobody has ever done before, just decide to shut down.
00:31:57.620And then we all wake up in the morning and Biden's way ahead.
00:32:00.580And just, you know, they were able to get away with that.
00:32:05.320But January 6th did happen, you know, and these cowards were hiding under their desks in the Capitol, you know, and, and they, so they've been looking at this over the last few years and trying to decide, I think, right.
00:32:18.700They're like, okay, our options here are because nobody's going to, they don't have anybody that's going to beat Trump, like in a straight up election.
00:32:28.420Okay. Let's just be serious about that.
00:32:43.640He's going to get 75 million votes again.
00:32:45.760If, you know, if not more, because everybody that voted for him in 2020 is going to vote for now.
00:32:51.840Nobody like, you know, voted for Trump after four years of just incessant propaganda, hate propaganda against him.
00:32:58.240And somehow over the last few years, you're like, you know, actually after seeing this Biden administration run things, I think probably this is, you know, that maybe it was a good thing to get rid of Trump.
00:33:25.280If we put this guy in jail and like, you know, work with the Republican establishment to get him off of, you know, the Republican candidacy, that's one avenue.
00:33:37.440We can try to do something on election day again.
00:33:42.460But to do that, well, first of all, that carries serious risk.
00:33:46.960But to do that, you've at least got to get things to the point where it's plausible that the person squeaked out a victory, right?
00:33:56.060I mean, and if the way things were going with Joe Biden, it was just not going to be plausible.
00:34:01.140I mean, it would just, I mean, it wasn't really plausible in 2020.
00:34:06.120I mean, if you look at like, you know, Trump winning 19 out of the 20 bellwether states that have held since like 1952 or something like that, you know, an unbroken trend.
00:34:19.120But they had enough control over the discourse, over the means of discourse.
00:34:24.740And, you know, there was enough just with everything going on with COVID and, you know, the Floyd riot, just all the chaos of that year that it sort of plausible that like, you know, this guy, Obama's former vice president, you know, the old statesman, as they wanted to frame him at the time, like that he could come in and squeak out this victory.
00:34:58.280I think everybody would have known the truth.
00:35:00.940And so, you know, the other option, you know, there's really only a third option is accept the fact that Trump's going to be the president for four years.
00:35:08.700And we contained him for four years before he didn't really do anything, you know, that we didn't want to want to do.
00:35:16.600But I think that one scares him a lot because, you know, again, it's not really his policies that they're particularly worried about.
00:35:24.140Other than like maybe, you know, they really, I mean, to me, it looks like the security establishment is kind of over the Ukraine thing.
00:35:32.620And they're just sort of winding it down.
00:35:34.280And if this wasn't an election year, they might have like wrapped this up already.
00:35:37.540But so I don't even think they're that committed to that anymore.
00:35:42.520But maybe some kind of foreign policy issues or something that they, you know, would prefer that he did this other than that.
00:35:48.780But, you know, I mean, Trump's a Zionist.
00:35:51.100He's shown that he needs to be strong and tough.
00:35:53.760And so he's going to like, you know, basically follow the party line on Russia and Ukraine if you back him into a corner.
00:36:00.180And so I don't think they're worried about his policies.
00:36:01.820What they're worried about is another four years, maybe another eight years, maybe another 12 years, if J.D. Vance can step up and really keep this thing going.
00:36:12.780Of this coalition of people that Trump brought together, brought out of the woodwork of those people having time to coalesce and organize and start to get themselves into shape as like a meaningful political force.
00:36:25.280And, you know, another four, eight, 12 years of people being able to do that.
00:36:30.420That's what they're really worried about, you know.
00:36:33.660And but I don't know, man, like if they try to pull something on Election Day again.
00:36:38.500You know, like, you know, you ask, like, why, you know, if it was if it's this easy to to rig an election, you know, why then why didn't they rig like all the elections in the past?
00:36:49.600One is that they don't really care who won, you know, Jeb Bush versus Hillary Clinton, like the people, the senior bondholders in the U.S. system don't care which one wins.
00:36:58.800Right. Now, there are some that like this one favors certain special interests and this one favors certain special interests.
00:37:05.240And so they would like one candidate over the other.
00:37:07.880But if those interests tried to do something that was, you know, that was really blatant, like rigging the election against the other, there's enough powerful people aligned on the other side who are going to call that out.
00:37:18.680That it was going to create too much of a problem.
00:37:21.140And Trump had nobody in power on his side.
00:37:24.980You know, I mean, there was just there was no institution, no nothing that was going to step up and defend him.
00:37:30.980He had his people and, you know, they registered their protest on January 6th.
00:37:36.680But just no power center was was there to call that out and back him up.
00:37:41.520And I wonder now if that's true, you know, because it seems to me like, you know, you're starting to see a lot of these guys in Silicon Valley who are starting to come over to Trump.
00:37:54.020You're starting to see like people who, you know, they're not they're not necessarily given interviews on CNBC or anything, but like Wall Street people, hedge fund people who run hedge funds, you know, people who don't necessarily live in New York.
00:38:08.640But they run hedge funds in Dallas and, you know, Milwaukee and stuff that a lot of these guys are starting to come over very publicly so that you do you're starting to accrue enough weight on that side that if they try to pull something like that again, there's actually going to be some heavy hitters and pipe hitters on this side who who can call that out.
00:38:27.780And so, you know, that brings a lot of risk as well.
00:38:31.840And so I think the big question now is like, and I think I've even seen some Democrats really asking this is that, you know, like, if you look at what happened to the Democratic Party, right, if you go back to 2008, Hillary Clinton was going to be the president, like that was what was going to happen.
00:38:53.620That was the plan all along. That's why she ran for that's why she was installed as the senator of New York to sort of get her name out there and prepare her for that.
00:39:02.140And now it's 2008 and she's going to be inaugurated.
00:39:05.920And then Obama came along and it just became this tidal wave that there was just no way to stop it without just destroying the Democratic Party, basically.
00:39:16.640I mean, just because he, you know, he just acquired so much popular support.
00:39:21.560I mean, it was Bernie Sanders in 2016, except on steroids. Right.
00:39:25.140We all remember. And so she had to step out of the way and had to say, OK, you know, you'll put me in a secretary of state.
00:39:33.680Let me run your foreign policy for four years. I'll get out, start prepping and then I'll take over in 2016. Great.
00:39:39.360And what the what was happening like behind the scenes and it started even before 2008, really, because they were prepping for that 2008 election is the Clinton machine, you know, which is this vast, powerful machine.
00:39:55.580And, you know, that people don't understand necessarily exactly how this kind of thing works.
00:40:00.960You have things like the Clinton Global Initiative and all these other things, these billions of dollars that they can throw around means you have these people who like when they're not working in the Clinton administration,
00:40:10.420they're getting paid by these other things and then they can go to work for another, you know, Clinton administration or the Obama administration afterwards,
00:40:17.960which means you can keep these people on the payroll consistently.
00:40:21.240They don't have to go find some other patron, you know, it's a consistent thing.
00:40:25.260And the Clinton machine was one of the dominant machines in Washington for a long time.
00:40:30.240And they went out there and just basically cleared the Democratic bench to make sure that when 2016 came along, there was nobody that could challenge her to the point where the Republicans are putting up 17 people in their primary,
00:40:44.48010, 12 of whom were like plausible candidates, you know, who could actually be the nominee.
00:40:51.420The Democrats have this like geriatric socialist from Vermont that nobody's ever really taken seriously.
00:40:58.380He's always kind of been this backbencher crank and Carquetti from the wire, right?
00:41:03.660And they go out there as sacrificial lambs and she loses again.
00:41:07.820And what they're finding now is they got nobody because the Clintons took out anybody on their side that might plausibly be another Obama might plausibly come up and challenge them.
00:41:20.760And now they, they have nobody, you know, Pete Buttigieg, you know, Kamala Harris, like these people, you know, I used to live in California, like Kamala Harris is a joke in California.
00:41:30.360You know, she was, she was a joke in California, like when she was there.
00:41:34.540And so it's like, they just don't have anybody.
00:41:37.680And you start to wonder if like, you know, Kamala is just this, you know, they're like, go out there, pull the Bob Dole thing, you know, just take the L that way we can, we don't have to deal with you in 2028, which is what we would have to do if Biden ran and lost.
00:41:53.360And, you know, we have to deal with Kamala in 2028.
00:41:58.000I wonder really if they're really just starting to make peace with the fact that the safest route is for them to, you know, the path of least resistance is for them to just let this happen and try to contain the damage and maintain as much as they can.
00:42:14.500I have seen a lot of people floating the idea that the regime wants Trump at this point.
00:42:20.140I very much doubt that, but the regime might have to settle for Trump, as you say, because too many of the alternatives have a risk factor that can get kinetic pretty quickly.
00:42:30.680And that's the one thing they have to avoid at all costs.
00:42:33.300Like you said, the huge change really in the Republican Party was that we have all this ideology flying around, right?
00:42:55.340And we have been, you know, living in this situation.
00:42:59.500You know, Curtis Yarvin did an essay today, talked about, you know, basically we've been watching the movie and now politics is breaking through the movie.
00:43:07.080I think one of the reasons people have a hard time acting is we have been watching movies for so long that everything we understand about politics is this very weird, fantastic abstraction.
00:43:16.980So when real politics show up, we don't even know what that looks like or how to take action.
00:43:22.780But the fact that Trump stopped being a agent of ideology and instead was, you know, all these people on the right were saying, oh, it's a cult of personality.
00:43:39.000And so I think that while they may have to make do, like you said, they may have to make peace with the fact that Trump comes into power, that is scary because that cult of personality, like you said, is real and he's attached to real people with real lives and real communities and not like some weird understanding of neocon global hegemony.
00:44:00.300And so what does that mean if a guy like that actually gets to swap out parts of the deep state, actually installs an heir who is more radical to than he is on a lot of these issues, you know, explicitly start saying things like America is a nation.
00:44:18.780What happens to them if they let somebody like that sit in the White House for four, eight, 12 years like you're talking about?
00:44:24.660Well, you know, they're telling you what they think will happen, you know, by their reaction and by the lengths that they're willing to go.
00:44:33.000I mean, just, you know, the fact that they have been they've been so willing to just throw really like decades, centuries, really, of like built up legitimacy and capital that they, you know, that they that they had and just throw it in the paper shredder over over a guy who, again, like his policies were not really
00:44:54.620radical, like at all, you know, it kind of shows you how much they do fear exactly what you're talking about.
00:45:00.080And, you know, to your point about how real politics works, you know, you talk about J.D. Vance.
00:45:07.420You know, a lot of people are out there like, you know, they're skeptical of Vance because he went to Yale and he's worked for a place that was associated with Peter Thiel or whatever.
00:45:17.080There's just people want to want to complain about it.
00:45:20.040And I look at him and of course, the fact that in 2016, he was like, Trump is a terrible guy and I can't abide this or something.
00:45:27.640And for a lot of people, they want to make that a deal breaker.
00:45:30.440To me, J.D. Vance is is emblematic of 100 people that I know in real life.
00:45:37.480People who came from, you know, circumstances that were somewhat similar to his, you know, lower middle class, working class or poor, broken or half broken or breaking down like white families in the middle of the country who were smart.
00:45:55.480And they got out and they were able to escape that, you know, even though maybe their brothers and sisters weren't and their cousins weren't and their friends from high school weren't, but they were able to escape that.
00:46:04.320And he got into, you know, Ohio State.
00:46:06.820He went to the Marines and he went to Yale and so forth.
00:46:12.540So, you know, I mean, I don't want to say somebody is 31 as a kid.
00:46:16.500He's not a kid, but, you know, some of that time was spent in the Marines, you know, where you're very sort of focused on what you're doing and what's directly in front of you.
00:46:30.360Somebody like that is really still developing their political identity, you know, in a lot of ways.
00:46:35.860I mean, shoot, like, you know, I, you know, up until I was like 23, 24 years old, I was still like a card carrying libertarian, you know, and took me a few more years after that to really like grow out of grow out of those shoes.
00:46:51.440And so, you know, so there he is, somebody who came out of the environment he came out of, and he sees this guy, Trump, who really kind of reminds him of a lot of the sort of vulgarity and just the, you know, a lot of the, it reminds him of the kinds of things that he is trying to escape, you know, and he's trying to fit in with his friends at Yale.
00:47:11.980And he's trying to, you know, he's, he's risen up into a higher level of, of society.
00:47:16.440And he, maybe, you know, he's, maybe he's very proud of the fact, not like he looks down on his family, but he's proud of the fact that like they've, you know, created a son who now is able to kind of level up.
00:47:28.440And now here he is and wants to represent that, you know, and sort of represent those values.
00:47:33.160And, you know, 2016 is, is the year his book came out.
00:47:36.240So he's being brought around and fetted by liberals everywhere for writing this, you know, this, this beautiful book that they liked because they thought that it gave them like a guilt-free way to look down on hillbillies.
00:47:50.240But, you know, they started to, to not like the book when they realized that's not exactly how it was meant.
00:47:56.980And so you have this guy and he, he looks at Trump and it, you know, coming from where he is at that time, he, he says, this is kind of revolting to me.
00:48:05.420This is something that like, you know, just instinctually, you know, or at least where I am in my life now, like I'm pushing, I just, I, it, it, it repulses me.
00:48:15.220But then what happened like over the last eight years since then is that, and again, this is a hundred people I know.
00:48:23.360What happened over the last eight years is that he saw that all his friends at Yale and all those liberals who were praising his book and telling him how brilliant he was in 2016,
00:48:33.660all these people that he's like spending his time trying to sort of, you know, accommodate and, and assimilate to, you know, their, their culture that these people absolutely hate in the marrow of their bones,
00:48:46.700his whole family, everybody he grew up with, everything they stand for, everything they care about.
00:48:54.100They hate it all. And they really, really hate it all. And this guy, Trump say what you want about him, uh, dislike this or that about him all you want.
00:49:04.380But he stood up for those people. And that's why they're loyal to him is he stood up for them, you know?
00:49:11.320And I think, you know, Vance again, reminds me of a hundred people I know who went through a very similar journey where initially Trump was just so different, you know?
00:49:20.180And if you weren't like an always online kind of younger person, who's just not shocked by anything.
00:49:25.320If you're like, if you're just looking at this and you're, you know, remembering John McCain and Mitt Romney and Obama and Bush and, you know, so forth on back.
00:49:34.820And then this guy comes out and he's talking about blood coming out of your whatever and all these kinds of things.
00:49:40.100Like it's, it was shocking to a lot of people, you know, and, and their initial reaction was, you know, I'm a good person and a good person should not think this is okay.
00:49:49.680Okay. That, that to me in 2016, that was an understandable reaction for a lot of people.
00:49:55.120The question is, what did you do after that? What did you do when the system and all the people who supported it really took the mask off and showed how much they hate all of your family, all of your friends, everybody you grew up with and where you came from.
00:50:09.400And, uh, you know, that, that, that's what I see in Vance. And that's why, you know, you call it a cult of personality if you want, but really it's like, you know, I think of it like, uh,
00:50:19.680if you're in, you know, if you're in a high school class and you got the kids sitting in front with their, you know, it's all the preppy kids with their letterman jackets and cheerleaders are up there and they're all popular and they get good grades.
00:50:32.460And, you know, they all have, uh, you know, nice cars that their parents brought, bought them that they, that they drive to school every day and all that.
00:50:40.240And in the back, you got the kids who, you know, are poor, they have to still ride the bus or walk to school.
00:50:46.040Um, their, their parent, their, their clothes smell like cigarettes because their parents are lower class and they actually still smoke them, you know?
00:50:53.840And, uh, it was just sort of the scrubby kids and the kids in front look down on them and talk crap to them all the time.
00:50:59.460And they're just the object of, of ridicule.
00:51:02.180And then all of a sudden, like one of the offensive linemen from the football team, who's kind of a bore, you know, he's kind of like a, a big bully and like a, you know, just a boorish person.
00:51:12.980But he decides, eh, I'm going to go, I don't like this.
00:51:15.340I'm going to go sit with the guys in the back, the people in the back.
00:51:17.940And he starts lobbing bombs at the people in the front on their behalf.
00:51:33.960That's not a bad reason to support a political leader, especially in a day and age like this, where you can just, you know, where it's just unfortunately enough to look at somebody.
00:51:43.380And again, you don't, you, you wish that this was not a situation that we found ourselves in, but it is where you can look at somebody like Trump.
00:51:51.220You can look at somebody like, you know, Tucker Carlson and say to yourself, like, you know what?
00:51:57.220Like, I don't, I don't know everything about this person.
00:51:59.980I don't necessarily agree with everything that they say, but I know that person doesn't hate my guts.
00:52:06.220And I know that these people over here do hate my guts and that's enough, you know?
00:52:37.600Barack Obama did not endorse her very notably when he talked about Joe Biden.
00:52:41.940And guys like Mike Bloomberg have also said, hey, this is not a done deal.
00:52:46.620You know, just because Joe Biden's account tweets out that he supports Kamala Harris does not make her the candidate.
00:52:53.940Now, we had a very strange thing where, you know, I don't know much about the way that I guess the Electoral Commission operates, but I don't think they normally on a Sunday afternoon, the wheels of government bureaucracy usually don't snap to and immediately go change, you know, the head of the campaign on this.
00:53:15.860Someone's like, OK, we need we need to ram this into reality as fast as possible.
00:53:20.140So it's very clear that the factions inside the left are still fighting, right?
00:53:24.940Because you the reason you do all that, the reason you line up all those dominoes is you make it a fate of complete, right?
00:53:30.540You want it to happen as quick as possible.
00:53:32.320If you're going to have the coup, do it quick, clean.
00:53:34.880Don't leave any options for someone else to back you out of this.
00:53:37.620So it's very clear that all of these very strange happenings occurred simultaneously because you need to get her installed because there's a faction that wants to remain in charge.
00:53:47.560They don't want anyone else inside the left to be able to fight back.
00:53:51.960There is some there are some people who are being loud about her selection.
00:53:55.480And I think probably most notably Kamala Harris is loudly pro-Palestini, if I if I understand correctly, which is a big shift for the Democratic Party.
00:54:05.780They wanted that. I think a lot of the vanguard has been pushing that.
00:54:09.660I think a lot of people on the left want to be pro-Palestinian in that conflict, but they know that they need for fundraising and political reasons to go ahead and continue to show a legacy loyalty to the state of Israel.
00:54:22.740Do you think there are any significant shifts that come with Harris as a candidate?
00:54:27.540And what do you think about the different infighting factions that might play into her selection?
00:54:32.580Yeah, I will first. No, I don't think any anything changes with the Kamala Harris presidency.
00:54:40.080I mean, you have to remember, and this is kind of a joke now at this point.
00:54:43.340Everybody's making memes about it and everything, but it's a simple fact.
00:54:48.080This is a woman who got her start in politics by getting on her knees for Willie Brown.
00:54:52.960Like literally, that's how she got her start in politics.
00:54:56.400This is not a woman who's going to say, well, I'm pro-Palestine, damn it.
00:54:59.620And if you're all, all these power brokers are telling me that I have to not be pro-Palestine, why?
00:55:07.500This is a woman who has smiled and cackled her way through the ranks by saying, yes, sir, no, sir, to the right people and moving her way up because she was inoffensive and, you know, and just knew how to please the right people.
00:55:22.500She's not going to change anything that the people around her don't want changed.
00:55:26.460Now, as far as there being factions, though, yeah, I mean, I think maybe the real factions are, maybe the real factions behind the scenes in the left right now are the people who think that this election is still worth fighting for and the ones who don't.
00:55:44.320And so, you know, the people who don't, I think, probably do favor Harris, you know, they just throw her out there.
00:56:04.340I mean, there's a reason she's been completely out of the public eye for like two years now.
00:56:08.280It's because every time she goes out, like, you know, her approval ratings drop by a few points.
00:56:14.140And so, you know, these factions certainly exist.
00:56:17.460And, you know, if Biden really wanted to like do a flex move, like if he got pushed out against his will, I mean, it really looks like against his will, right?
00:56:27.720I mean, up to the very, very last moment, he was saying, I'm absolutely not dropping out.
00:56:33.100So whether or not they just sort of took his dead hand and made it sign the paper or not, or whether he's just, he just gave in because they told him that, you know, he and his son were going to go to prison for the rest of their lives for their corruption.
00:56:46.420If he didn't, you know, agree to it, whatever it was, he did it against his will.
00:56:53.080It was a coerced, you know, resignation.
00:56:54.840And so, you know, if he really wanted to stick it to the people who forced him to do that, especially if they weren't, if Kamala was not their plan, he should just resign.
00:57:07.840He should resign the presidency and make her the incumbent and then say, okay, now this is a woman who's the incumbent president who has the endorsement of the previous president.
00:57:17.160You know, and I think also like, you know, the Democrats in the behind the scenes are trying to figure out like, okay, true Kamala Harris has never participated in a single primary race ever.
00:57:29.860Right in 2016 or 20 or 2024, never participated in a primary race.
00:57:37.440So net has, has just zero popular mandate to be our nominee.
00:57:43.120They've been trying to figure out like, do we have enough time?
00:57:46.280Do we have enough people in place that we can create enough of an illusion of choice that, you know, people can at least buy it.
00:57:55.460That the Democratic base can at least buy that there's some choice being made here and that this isn't just somebody that we're choosing, you know, behind closed doors with donors.
00:58:05.900And I think there's some people who think, no, there's just no time for them.
00:58:10.920And if we just pull somebody out of the woodwork, you know, some governor or whatever and throw them out there, it's going to seem like that.
00:58:17.420And it will be that and everybody will see it no matter if we have like a mini primary or whatever you want to call it.
00:58:23.160There's a lot of people that are going to feel disenfranchised.
00:58:26.240It's going to create strife between different people who really want to be that person.
00:58:38.660But, you know, I mean, politics is a cutthroat game.
00:58:41.200And most of the people involved with it aren't really concerned with the long term viability of the offices and institutions that they're trying to run.
00:58:50.020You know, for most of these people, if if they can can can get out there and run against Trump for the next few months and, you know,
00:59:00.600go on TV and let off some like, you know, good one liners and really like get some zingers, you know, out there and then that gets them like a CNN contract after the elections over.
00:59:12.680You know, that's that's a win for most of these people, you know.
00:59:15.880And so. That means, you know, these people are sharks, they're piranhas, they'll eat their own children or a little bit more power and a little bit more status and and they'll burn down their own party if they have to.
00:59:29.540And the only way that that gets contained is if you can give enough incentives and threaten enough punishments for them doing that, that they that they fall in line.
00:59:38.400So. Yeah, we didn't even get to to Kamala as a candidate, really, when it comes to the fact that she didn't participate in any of these primaries.
00:59:48.120And how do you continue to pretend that Joe Biden can do the job up until the end of the races?
00:59:55.320All of those are even even more perplexing questions, but we've got to move on here.
01:00:00.520Do you have time to to do? Yeah, for sure.
01:00:03.340And real quick, I saw somebody like a bunch of people talking about that.
01:00:06.520J.D. Vance was talking about. He's like, why, if Biden can't, you know, run for president, if he just doesn't have the health or whatever to run for president, then surely he must resign as president because, you know, how can he not do this?
01:00:18.680But he's able to do this. And people like want that to make logical sense.
01:00:22.180It's like, dude, they're not I don't care.
01:00:24.980Their answer is not like, oh, yes, he can, because their answer is, yeah, whatever.
01:00:30.280Well, we're going to do this. And what are you going to do about it?
01:00:33.700The same people who are running the White House when he was officially in there will continue to run it.
01:00:38.440And what will change? Absolutely nothing other than we probably just they just forget to keep rolling him out, you know, every once in a while.
01:00:45.720It's basically the the only way that our country really sees any difference.
01:00:50.600All right. Let's go over to the questions of the people before we do.
01:00:53.820Daryl, is there anything you want to direct people towards Martyrmaid, your podcast with Jocko, anything like that?
01:01:00.740Yeah, I got a podcast where I do long form history stuff, mostly not contemporary politics, although some of it, you know, a lot of it deals with like stuff going on in the 60s and 70s and 80s.
01:01:13.140And it touches on things that are going on today.
01:01:16.180But it's called the Martyrmaid podcast.
01:01:18.640If you can't handle, you know, episodes that are six hours long and series that are 30 hours long, then you should probably probably avoid it.
01:01:30.160But I do another podcast with my buddy, Jocko Willink called The Unraveling, where we do talk about some more contemporary issues and a lot of 20th century history, Cold War history, things like that.
01:01:42.720Excellent. All right, guys, let's go to your questions.
01:01:46.400Kevin Manny says, hey, or in first time I've been able to catch the stream live.
01:01:50.000Huge fan. You convert me for being a libertarian.
01:01:52.720Well, thank you. That is the greatest compliment that I can receive.
01:01:55.580I love all that you do and how much you seem to appreciate your fans.
01:01:58.800Well, thank you, man. I really appreciate it.
01:02:38.080Jackma's disappearance, for example, bad precedent.
01:02:42.380Yeah, there's a there's a truth to that where whether this is specifically a pressure situation or not,
01:02:47.580it makes it very clear that that's something you can do in the future.
01:02:50.660Right. Not that I'm here to whine about precedent, I suppose, at this point.
01:02:53.660But yeah, we're past precedent. Right.
01:02:55.980Because what this really is, this isn't this isn't doesn't really crack open any new doors.
01:03:01.500Like all this is, is the way the system has been structured all this time, poking its head above the surface.
01:03:09.120Right. And we're seeing it. You know, that's really what's going on.
01:03:12.200And I don't actually look at that as a bad precedent. I don't look at that as a bad thing.
01:03:15.980I look at that as a is a good thing, if anything.
01:03:17.880Yeah, this is why I try to tell people all the time, like Trump is not a set of policy positions.
01:03:22.940Trump is an accelerant on a system that wants to destroy itself.
01:03:26.360The system is begging for someone to come by and just, you know, lift the weight of the world off its shoulders.
01:03:33.200It really is like these people as as desperate as they are to hold on to power.
01:03:37.180None of them actually care about operating a nation in the interests of the people who occupy it.
01:03:44.520And so they are really are just spinning themselves into this amazing mess where they will rip off every mask.
01:03:50.620They will destroy every piece of credibility. They just don't care.
01:03:53.580They can't be bothered to even go through the motions that once defined, you know, kind of this whole show.
01:04:00.020And that's that's really what Trump brings to the table, whether you like that or not.
01:04:04.840Let's see here. Senator Brunfly says, if the DNC now wants Kamala, why not step down and give her more legitimacy, especially if Biden is incapacitated?
01:04:17.380It seems like they are shooting themselves in the foot by going out of their way to be suspicious.
01:04:22.100Yeah, Daryl kind of alluded to that already. But do you think there do you think there could be any advantage to going ahead and giving her that technical role of incumbency and some time on the job as president or at least sitting in the chair?
01:04:38.280No, I don't. I think that would be probably overall like it would help her secure the nomination, but it would only it would only if like from the DNC's perspective, it would only hurt them because I mean, again, every single time this woman shows up on camera or in front of, you know, actual human beings, her poll numbers drop by five percent.
01:04:59.160Like she's just not a likable person and is just very clearly, you know, maybe she has a certain social cunning that's helped her to get to where she is.
01:05:10.220But this is not this is not an intelligent person who has the intellect to be able to to manage the kind of job that she's applying for here.
01:05:17.620And right now, you know, she's in the background. They can kind of manage her media appearances and everything is sort of a television show that they kind of create.
01:05:26.220You can kind of do that as president. They did that with Biden to a degree, you know, but even still, for people who were paying any kind of attention at all, again, that debate performance performance was not a big surprise.
01:05:37.360Like he's been there's only so much you can control when you're president. Sometimes you've got to go out there and you've got to go do these things.
01:05:43.420And even though it's only a few months, you know, just a few months of people actually seeing her stumbling through that job, I think would be would be probably enough to maybe not even just put a fork in her.
01:05:55.980I mean, it may like just, you know, it would probably damage the credibility of the Democratic Party at this point.
01:06:01.100So, yeah, it's amazing. Even her minor appearances are always wildly embarrassing, like when she tried to do the one about space, you know, and sitting down with the kids and trying to be excited about science or whatever.
01:06:13.280Like she can't it's not that she can't sit down with world leaders. It's that she can't sit down with high school students, you know, and still and still maintain any credibility.
01:06:20.680Let's see. Robert Weinsfeld here with just a super chat. Thank you very much, sir.
01:06:25.460Skeptical Panda says, hello, Daryl and Oren. Who wished for interesting times? Because that's certainly what we're living through.
01:06:32.620Yes. Again, real history showing up at this moment.
01:06:38.120Life of Brian says they put Biden off the debate because of because Kamala 24 was already part of the deal.
01:06:45.240Otherwise, they would have brazen that, too.
01:06:48.480They scheduled early, too, but after the primary to protect Kamala.
01:06:53.820I'm not sure that this handoff was was built in.
01:06:57.160I'm I'm pretty skeptical that this was already part of the plan.
01:07:01.560I mean, it was part of the plan originally, but when it became clear that Kamala Harris is so wildly unlikable and incompetent, I don't I don't think that's the case.
01:07:09.300But I don't know. What do you think, Daryl? Do you think they were always going to end this off?
01:07:12.340Mm hmm. I mean, the thing is, if that were the case, if they were thinking ahead to the point where they're like, all right, we need to schedule the primary early and do this and that.
01:07:23.060And then, like, just look at the chaos of how this actual resignation by Biden has rolled out.
01:07:28.500I mean, he just disappears for a few days and then a tweet goes out saying I resign.
01:07:33.780And then we still don't see him, you know, as of now, like whatever, 24, 48 hours later, however long it's been.
01:07:40.360And I mean, just it would have been like a nice rollout, you know, it would have been like a sort of drumbeat media story that they would have had prepared and people in place ready to give certain narratives.
01:07:50.520But you've got like his own staff, you know, leaking out saying we learned about this by tweet.
01:07:55.900He had his own campaign manager that morning on TV saying, let me be crystal clear.
01:09:17.320The sincere Christians on the right haven't done half of what he's done for actual Christians as opposed to Trump, who may not himself be an Orthodox believer.
01:10:00.560I think that the demoralization that would take place, I mean, if it didn't turn kinetic, which is honestly very possible, if like, I mean, there's just, if they try to bring Kamala Harris out and say she got 81 million votes, you know, first of all, there's no, like, we're not all locked down right now.
01:10:23.520And there's a bunch of states that have different rules as far as the mail-in ballots and stuff.
01:10:27.200Some of them don't, but some of them do.
01:10:29.800And it's just, it'd be a lot harder to pull something like that off without the COVID lockdowns and everything else.
01:10:35.080But if they try to come out and do something like that and say that Kamala Harris is somehow the most popular presidential candidate in American history, like Biden was, you know, in 2020.
01:10:53.020I think, you know, the question really, I think that he's asking is if that were to happen, and if that demoralization, we were to go through that process of demoralization, would the coalition be able to put itself back together and reconstitute itself in order to bring somebody like J.D. Vance to power eventually?
01:11:11.260And I don't know, man, I feel like the, I think that a lot of, and again, this is a weakness of these kinds of politics too, right?
01:11:22.480And it's why I'm glad he picked J.D. Vance as opposed to another, you know, okay, I need to make peace with, you know, this faction of the Republican Party.
01:11:32.660So I'm going to pick Mike Pence or whatever, is that like, you know, these people's loyalty is tied to Donald Trump.
01:11:40.740It's not, they're not Republicans now.
01:11:43.460They're not like, that's not who these people are.
01:11:45.640These people are loyal to Donald Trump.
01:11:47.840And if J.D. Vance can step into those shoes, and you know, I've been getting, I've been getting a lot of phone calls and texts from family members and friends who are not political, like at all.
01:12:00.860They're the people who, they hadn't voted maybe in the last three cycles or whatever, but they voted for Trump, you know, because they got into it.
01:12:07.900They got swept up in it, who, they never read Hillbilly Elegy, but they went on Netflix and watched the movie.
01:12:15.420And it means a lot to them, you know, and they, they think of him as a guy who, you know, this guy could, could be somebody who steps into those shoes and carries a torch forward.
01:12:24.980And so the question is like, whether that coalition could hold together, you know, through four or more years of, of really being out of power again.
01:12:36.000I mean, it's already been four years, so four more years out of power being targeted.
01:12:44.020I mean, it would be really, I think it would be really tough.
01:12:46.340I think it would be really tough because you would need, because Trump, look, if Trump loses this time, quote unquote loses, doesn't matter how brazen it is or anything.
01:12:55.500Uh, yeah, there are a lot of factions within the Republican party still who are maybe keeping quiet right now.
01:13:01.940And I've been keeping their heads down because, you know, they have to, who are going to jump up and say, okay, enough is enough.
01:13:07.900We've lost two elections in a row because of this.
01:13:53.720uh, strong man in issues are put up on, uh, referendums.
01:13:58.180The questions heavily tilted towards the desired outcome outcome.
01:14:01.800Strong man still imposes his will anyway.
01:14:04.260Uh, but under the guise of ultimate democracy, uh, out democracy, the lovers of democracy.
01:14:11.260Uh, I mean, I think that's pretty much the tactic of every strong man that that's kind of, that that's always how that works.
01:14:17.640Uh, you, you make a, you, the, the populist push is also is always exactly the process that you're kind of.
01:14:23.720Uh, explaining there, uh, you always want to manufacture a mandate of the people, uh, even, even if you're running a semi-authoritarian government.
01:14:32.400Cause people, you know, on the right or just conservative people, you know, people who are even not ideological, but just sort of Pat Buchanan's conservatives of the heart, you know, uh, these are people who like the left, we have a different organizing principle from the left.
01:15:09.880We don't, we don't work well trying to engage in mob politics.
01:15:14.720When we do it, we inevitably fail and we feel bad about it afterwards.
01:15:18.740And like, don't even defend the people that we sent out, you know, on the front lines to the barricades, because we all feel like it shouldn't have happened.
01:15:36.620And if people who don't like that, people who are still kind of libertarian leaning and think that, you know, that that's a, that's a primitive way of looking at politics.
01:15:44.280It's that's, that's how the right organizes is it organizes behind leadership.
01:15:49.060It's comfortable with chain of command.
01:15:50.900It's comfortable with hierarchy and you find somebody who's credible and you hold them to account.
01:15:54.820But as long as they're representing you, they're still representing you.
01:15:59.620Then all you can do is give them the power to act on your behalf because the institutions are not controlled by you.
01:16:06.760The institutions are all arrayed against you.
01:16:08.760The only way Caesar's got enough power to go against those institutions is he's got your, you know, he's got your absolute loyalty as long as he's continuing to represent you.
01:16:20.060And so, you know, that's, again, that's fine with me.
01:16:24.180I mean, you and I are obviously like ahead of the game, you know, compared to a lot of people as far as realizing how far down the path toward, toward, well, maybe, maybe we disagree on the outcomes.
01:16:38.080I don't know, but like, we're pretty far along, you know, the deep, dark path on where the American government is at this point.
01:16:44.260And that a lot of the myths and tales we tell ourselves are, you know, if they were true in the fifties are not true now.
01:16:50.960And so I don't have a problem, you know, with that.
01:16:53.960Like if Trump were to go out there and say, elect me for four years and it, and, and I will immediately suspend Congress, suspend the Supreme Court and rule from the White House for four years.
01:17:09.260And then in four years, you can decide if I've done a good job.
01:17:12.920And if not, you can vote me, put all those things back in place.
01:17:25.300Ron, the actuary says, what are the odds that something fishy happens during the attempt on Trump's life case based purely on your gut?
01:17:34.000Uh, yeah, it's, I had this, uh, discussion, uh, on an earlier episode, whether it's malice or, or incompetence.
01:17:42.500Uh, we came, me and Sean Davis from the Federalist came down on aggressive malice with the intention of, or aggressive incompetence with the intended malice.
01:17:51.100Uh, but I don't know what, what do you feel like?
01:17:54.660I mean, there's a lot that's really hard to understand about, you know, for all the memes out there about the, uh, you know, with, with the woman secret service agent,
01:18:03.820who can't put her gun in her holster and everything, and no, looks so silly.
01:18:10.380I know people who've worked as a secret service.
01:18:12.880I know people who've like met with presidents and vice presidents who had to like secret service come in and prepare the ground, you know, for, for, uh, for them coming.
01:18:23.240And man, like, these are like, these are not incompetent people.
01:18:27.920These people know how to do their job, you know?
01:18:30.120And so that's what makes it even harder to really understand what happened that day.
01:18:35.140Um, but, you know, at the same time, like, you know, look, if, uh, you know, if, if, if the deep state or whatever, uh, wants Donald Trump dead, um, that kid, whatever his name was, uh, that's not, that's not the guy that they are going to roll the dice on and hope that he pulls it off.
01:18:58.440Like, that's, um, that's not the way they're going to do it.
01:19:01.460There's a million, there's a million ways they can do it that, uh, yeah, that I, like, cause the thing is like, you know, we're in this age now where you almost don't have to do that.
01:19:10.420Right. All you really have to do is put all this hate propaganda out there, know that it's going to activate the 0.1% to the 0.1% at the bottom of your craziest, you know, base of supporters.
01:19:24.060And then just sort of let things go and say, look, you know, um, he's got to, he's going to do 50 rallies.
01:19:31.480There's going to be one that, uh, you know, um, that, that, the, that the security is going to have a lapse.
01:19:39.180And, um, you know, that, that's all you have to do.
01:19:42.500You just throw the chum out there and then kind of wait for something to happen.
01:19:45.300And, and, but as far as like it being like a, like a deep state assassination or where, I mean, you have to really think about like, that's a tough, that's a tough, like, it would have to be like, they would have had to involve local police.
01:19:58.220You know, they would have had to tell the local police.
01:20:00.640If you see this long haired, blonde haired kid coming with a rifle, you know, don't, don't interfere.
01:20:05.120Like he's one of us or whatever and like get no leaks or whatever.
01:20:08.560It's just that, it's just not really plausible that it went that deep.
01:20:11.320Um, but it's obviously the case that, you know, that they were throwing assassination chum out into the water, just like, you know, uh, all of the people who attacked Kenosha, Wisconsin, you know, they're not like on the government payroll.
01:20:25.840They're not like a military unit that they sent to attack them.
01:20:29.040They just threw the chum into the water and people responded, you know, and, um, that's what happened.
01:22:12.920I mean, you know, real quick, if they thought they were going to lose, like if they were just sort of planning on that, the really like the best way to undermine the future Trump presidency and like help keep that contained.
01:22:22.520They should have waited until October 15th.
01:22:25.800And then Biden has a health crisis and has to drop out and they just have no time to even put up a new candidate and Trump wins, of course, but they could say he has no popular mandate.
01:22:36.180Why this only happened because our guy got sick in October or whatever.
01:22:40.180I would have been removed, but, you know, clearly there's people out there, especially the people.
01:22:44.620I mean, look, still people given tens, hundreds of millions of dollars to the Democrat candidate, you know, even since like since Biden stepped down, like in the last 24 hours.
01:22:53.680And so there's still people out there that think they're going to try to win this thing.
01:22:57.200Well, you have to understand there are a there is a good percentage of people like much larger than than most people on the right who are cynical about this belief, who completely buy into the idea that Donald Trump is bringing like Mecca, Hitler, Handmaid's Tale.
01:23:11.820You know, everybody's going back in chains like they truly buy into that future.
01:23:16.840They that is not some delusional fever dream for them.
01:23:23.720Like you said, there is at least a large amount of money, if nothing else, to still be scraped out of the bottom of this barrel.
01:23:29.820And so as long as that's there, then there is an incentive to go ahead and continue to push that, even if there's a certain politically realist percentage that understand that this race may be over.
01:23:42.700James Coffey says, what do you think of Whitney Webb's reporting on J.D. Vance being a CIA Peter Thiel Trojan horse for CBDC and digital passports?
01:23:53.380Any opinion on J.D. Vance as the the actual candidate of the secret total state?
01:23:59.820Yeah, look, man, like, well, first of all, like, I mean, Peter Thiel is a in full disclosure.
01:24:08.000I met him once at a party, but that's as far as my relationship goes with him.
01:24:14.120You know, the idea like Peter Thiel is is behind the scenes like George Soros and like whatever on that level, like operating things.
01:24:23.240He's got some influence, you know, among like the Claremont crowd and like certain factions of the right, you know, trying to promote candidates and people that that he likes.
01:24:33.000But honestly, like it's done for ideological and political reasons, as far as I can tell.
01:24:39.600Like, I don't think this guy's like, you know.
01:24:43.280I mean, look, Palantir, like it's a little weird to me, like I don't fully understand everything about it.
01:24:48.220And what I do know about it is sort of sort of alarming, you know, but, you know, it's like it's a company that would exist whether Peter Thiel started it or not.
01:24:57.280And it's a function that would be occurring whether he started it or not.
01:25:01.460And, you know, yeah, I don't know, man.
01:25:04.980Like, look, Tulsi Gabbard, who I do know a little bit, like, you know, she went like, you know, she used to go to like to to a World Economic Forum event.
01:25:14.960She was like, you know, people point that out, like, oh, she's a Davos puppet or whatever.
01:25:35.840And, you know, or, you know, you take a job.
01:25:38.360It's just you make these connections that are very tenuous a lot of the time.
01:25:42.600And unless you can actually show me that he's been out there, like, promoting things that you can point to that show, like, a certain subservience to these things.
01:25:53.100And, you know, and if that all turns out to be wrong, if he just is like a full on class traitor, like, you know, is completely fake and he gets in there, then that's fine.
01:26:03.400I'll admit I was wrong and I'll be out on the barricades with you.
01:26:06.620But, you know, somebody like Whitney Webb, you know, she's this is this is what she does.
01:26:12.120Like her thing is like she's going to identify a conspiracy and like, you know, put it all together, bring all the pieces together and sell it to you.
01:26:19.420That's the that's the kind of content she produces.
01:26:22.640And so, you know, the chances of her digging into J.D. Vance's past and then writing you a story saying I checked him out and he's clean were zero percent, you know.
01:26:34.300And so and I'm not saying that to discredit anything else she's done, you know, she's done, as far as I know, some good stuff on Epstein or whatever.
01:26:42.540But sometimes you just got to wait and see, you know, just got to wait and see.
01:26:47.960And and and it relates back to what we were saying about, like, you know, people being why people are loyal to Trump.
01:26:53.020I look at somebody like J.D. Vance and say, look, any of these people might be Trojan horses.
01:26:57.540Any of them might be fake. Any of them might secretly be my enemy.
01:27:00.960For now, I'm going to ride on the fact that I know where this guy came from and I know where he came from.
01:27:07.500And if he betrays all that and betrays everything he came from, all his people, every then that's fine.
01:27:13.360We'll deal with him. But for the time being, like to me, that's the strongest indicator.
01:27:18.260You know what I mean? If you're somebody who subscribes to elite theory and I most certainly am, then guys, you need to remember that part of elite theory is the circulation of elites.
01:27:26.980And Pareto says very specifically that you never actually completely turn over who the elites are.
01:27:32.640You're always going to welcome in some percentage of the elites in the old regime into the new regime.
01:27:39.240And so if you're looking at people who are currently elites and saying, oh, man, I wish we had patronage.
01:27:45.680I wish we had powerful people who fought for us and were on our side.
01:27:49.040But you're also like, well, why aren't these people 100 percent ideologically aligned with my very online specific understanding of the way that right wing politics should?
01:27:56.980Be then you're really missing out and understanding even the most theoretical parts of what we're talking about here.
01:28:04.880There will be people who are in positions of power who will stay in positions of power, even if things change radically.
01:28:11.020And those people are going to be critical for you attaining anything you want.
01:28:15.380So just accept some co-belligerence every once in a while and try not to spiral yourself to death here.
01:28:21.460It's one of the things that so many people just really didn't understand about Trump when he was president or even now.
01:28:29.080Like, you know, that like, why is he accommodating like, you know, these people over here?
01:28:41.000They don't have total power, but they have some power.
01:28:43.660And if he can neutralize them by making a small concession, then you're going to, you know, like an online radical is going to see that and be like, oh, see, see, see, see, like he hired John Bolton or whatever.
01:28:54.680And it's like, well, OK, if he could bring John, I don't like John Bolton anymore, anybody else, you can bring that guy into your administration, throw him in as a national security advisor and let him give you input every day.
01:29:08.000But when it comes down to like whether we're going to strike Iran after they shot down that drone of ours and Bolton just wants it done, you tell him no.
01:29:16.360And, you know, like if having that guy on in a position like that gets the neocons off your back for six months so that you can deal with some other things, then these are this is these are compromises that like are necessary in a system like ours.
01:29:37.060It's not just and that can be you can turn that that can you take that too far and it becomes cope and it becomes like 40 chess and everything like that.
01:29:45.520And so I'm not saying that I'm not saying excuse everything and trust the plan or anything like that.
01:29:50.200But you've got to be realistic about the fact that, you know, these these competing power centers actually exist and they have actual power that they can wield that can gum up the works or worse for anything that you're trying to do.
01:30:03.120And you have to deal with those with those people.
01:30:08.900Inquisitor's zeal says Cooper's entire analysis of Vance past falls apart when you consider Vance miscegenated and destroyed his bloodline.
01:30:18.280No man who loves his family as people would do this.
01:30:20.720Look, man, I hate to break it to you, but no one in power is going to buy into like the purity of your ethno state at this point.
01:30:27.620Whatever situation you might feel you're in, you're going to be in a coalition in the United States.
01:30:33.920It's nice to finally have people in the mainstream right care about the way that, say, white people are treated in the United States, realizing that maybe hating them or, you know, killing them with fentanyl or getting rid of their communities and their jobs isn't worthwhile.
01:30:47.960Maybe you can just take the win on that and, you know, but I guess if that's where you want to draw the line that the man fell in love and got married, then you got him.