The Auron MacIntyre Show - Bill Maher Is Wrong About Liberalism & Wokeness ｜ 9⧸18⧸23

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00:00:30.500 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:34.000 I've got a great stream ahead that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.900 Alright, so today I need to talk to you about one of my hobby horses.

00:00:43.480 I need to get up on the soapbox and I just need to vent about somebody who's always driven me nuts,

00:00:48.540 or at least a phenomenon that has always driven me nuts, which is conservatives praising Bill Maher. 0.92

00:00:55.440 Bill Maher hates you.

00:00:59.180 Bill Maher hates everything you stand for. 0.74

00:01:01.600 Bill Maher hates your values.

00:01:03.740 Bill Maher would not spit on you if you were on fire. 1.00

00:01:07.000 Bill Maher thinks you are trash. 1.00

00:01:09.360 But for some reason, conservatives just can't get themselves enough Bill Maher. 0.99

00:01:14.640 Because you see, Bill Maher tells people the truth.

00:01:19.580 Yes, that's right. Bill Maher, every once in a while, like once every month or two,

00:01:24.600 Bill Maher says something just ever so slightly that is a criticism of the left.

00:01:30.600 Man, over and over and over again, this guy derides the right.

00:01:35.820 He insults conservatives. 1.00

00:01:37.300 He talks about how Christians are idiots and fools. 1.00

00:01:39.740 He slanders anyone and everyone who's ever disagreed with him politically on the right. 1.00

00:01:45.620 However, like once or twice a month, he'll say something like the left have gone too far.

00:01:51.480 The left have gotten crazy.

00:01:53.120 Things are out of control on the left.

00:01:55.000 And man, every conservative outlet and every pundit and everybody just loves to,

00:02:00.320 oh, Bill Maher slamming the left again.

00:02:02.680 Bill Maher bringing the heat.

00:02:04.340 Bill Maher, you know, he says what he really thinks.

00:02:06.940 And man, I am so tired of this song and dance.

00:02:10.880 So today will be my effort to break everybody of this habit of talking about Bill Maher

00:02:17.780 and how amazing he is for speaking the truth of power.

00:02:21.340 Because the truth is that Bill Maher is just not that guy.

00:02:25.600 I'm sorry, but Bill Maher has like incredibly safe, incredibly benign political opinions.

00:02:31.860 Bill Maher is just slightly to the right of whatever the most insane progressive thing is.

00:02:38.380 And that's why he catches the little bit of heat that he does.

00:02:42.240 But at the end of the day, Bill Maher is incredibly safe.

00:02:45.320 He's not dangerous to anybody.

00:02:47.040 There's a reason this guy has a mainstream show on HBO that continues to draw all of the

00:02:52.840 biggest celebrities and all of this stuff.

00:02:54.840 Because at the end of the day, Bill Maher knows which side is really in power.

00:02:59.720 Bill Maher knows who really cuts the checks, who really is buttering his bread, who is really

00:03:04.780 making sure that he has a huge platform and he knows what side to be on.

00:03:10.880 He might be a little transgressive every once in a while.

00:03:14.380 But at the end of the day, Bill Maher knows exactly how safe he needs to be to continue to

00:03:20.680 collect those checks.

00:03:21.700 OK, he is not a dangerous person at all, and he's certainly not on your side if you

00:03:26.680 are on the right or if you are a conservative or if you are a Republican.

00:03:30.760 But a lot of people have asked me recently to take a look at Bill Maher and this clip from

00:03:37.000 his appearance on Joe Rogan a few weeks ago, because he gets on there and he just says,

00:03:41.180 you know, this normal thing.

00:03:43.240 Oh, man, you know, the left are a little out of control.

00:03:46.340 And people, for some reason, thought that that was a revelation yet again that he spent

00:03:51.720 a few minutes in this podcast. 1.00

00:03:54.320 He spends most of the podcast talking about how insane Donald Trump is, how stupid Republicans 1.00

00:03:58.440 are, how crazy the right is. 1.00

00:04:00.260 But for like five minutes, he noticed that the left is a little kooky.

00:04:04.700 And so everybody was very excited about that.

00:04:06.960 So I had a number of people ask me to take a look at this clip.

00:04:09.340 So I'm going to play a little bit of Bill Maher's conversation with Joe Rogan, and I'm

00:04:16.180 going to pick apart a little bit of what he says here, because it's kind of ludicrous.

00:04:20.360 If I said so many of the things that I've said on Club Random, on a podcast, on real

00:04:26.940 time, on HBO, they would have had my head.

00:04:31.020 So right off the bat, like Bill Maher knows where the power lies, right?

00:04:34.360 He is very careful, even on his show where he's supposed to be speaking truth of power

00:04:39.540 and he's supposed to be having edgy opinions and he's supposed to be pushing the boundaries.

00:04:44.540 He already knows he can't say most of what he wants to say, even on his own show, right?

00:04:49.060 So here we are just at the beginning.

00:04:52.640 Bill Maher knows who's in power and he knows who he needs to be very careful of, right?

00:04:57.380 He can say anything he wants about the right and he doesn't have to worry about it.

00:05:00.580 He only has to say or he only has to be careful about what he says about the left, but he's

00:05:05.340 still going to be on their side on the vast majority of things.

00:05:08.360 None of that is actually going to change any of Bill Maher's positions.

00:05:11.280 He's not actually going to think about what that means if he's on the side of power for

00:05:16.360 the vast majority of issues, if he's complying with power, you know, of like major studios

00:05:22.140 and Hollywood executives, all these things.

00:05:24.060 None of that.

00:05:24.660 He's not going to think about what any of the implications of that are.

00:05:27.780 Uh, he's just going to complain a little bit that he, you know, he, he doesn't have

00:05:30.820 the degree of free speech.

00:05:32.020 He used to, yeah, but somehow when I say it in the setting of the podcast, in my own

00:05:38.240 home, blowing the pot smoke, somehow it's okay.

00:05:42.420 And I find that very interesting.

00:05:44.540 I think they look at you like a guy who they're worried about because you don't toe the line.

00:05:52.020 They should be.

00:05:52.760 You are.

00:05:53.200 You're like a nineties liberal.

00:05:55.560 Oh boy, guys, watch out.

00:05:58.020 He'll coat.

00:05:58.640 Here comes Bill Maher.

00:06:00.180 He doesn't toe the line. 0.98

00:06:01.600 He's a dun, dun, dun nineties liberal. 0.99

00:06:05.920 Oh man. 0.56

00:06:06.580 If we could just get some more nineties liberals, that that's who the establishment is really

00:06:11.160 worried about nineties liberals.

00:06:13.540 You know, the guys who were on top and controlled everything 30 years ago, who shaped the opinions

00:06:18.920 of everyone who is now in power.

00:06:21.040 The people who enabled the social conditions that have now generated where we are.

00:06:26.560 Oh yeah.

00:06:27.920 Nineties liberals guys.

00:06:28.960 That's, that's who everyone's really, really worried about.

00:06:32.000 And this is kind of the level of delusion at work here.

00:06:35.020 I'll be honest.

00:06:35.620 Is I know a lot of people, Joe Rogan, you know, they, they, they don't like him.

00:06:39.400 I like Joe Rogan in general.

00:06:40.900 He just seems like a fun guy.

00:06:43.100 He seems like a guy who's just would be really cool to hang out with.

00:06:46.920 I just, just very personable.

00:06:49.180 I don't agree with Joe Rogan on a lot of stuff.

00:06:51.480 I, you know, I, I'm certainly don't think he's, he's as brave a voice as, as some people

00:06:57.140 have made him out to be, or at least he certainly isn't now after some run-ins with

00:07:01.040 the wrong people.

00:07:02.260 But at the very least, he seems like a guy that's, that's kind of fun to hang out with.

00:07:06.360 Right.

00:07:07.020 However, Joe Rogan's understanding of what is dangerous is just cartoonish.

00:07:11.940 Right.

00:07:12.220 And this is the real problem.

00:07:14.360 This is the problem that these guys always run into because Joe Rogan was officially part

00:07:19.300 of the IDW, so I can certainly connect him there to what, to whatever extent that, that

00:07:24.160 still is supposed to exist.

00:07:26.540 And Bill Maher is certainly in that same wheelhouse, right?

00:07:29.940 He's, he's a nineties liberal.

00:07:31.780 He's, he's one of these guys who thought that civilization peaked, you know, in the 1990s

00:07:37.200 and that history was over and that the world was just going to continue in this amazing

00:07:42.400 state forever.

00:07:44.360 He's one of these people, right?

00:07:45.760 He's adjacent to the, to this line of thought.

00:07:47.800 And so for the, both of these guys, the nineties was, uh, was just supposed to be, you know,

00:07:54.620 continue on forever.

00:07:55.480 They didn't understand that the nineties was not some kind of, uh, you know, isolated event

00:08:01.860 that occurred at the, at the end of history.

00:08:04.140 Uh, and, and that therefore like nothing would happen after it.

00:08:06.780 There'd be no context.

00:08:07.700 They didn't understand that the nineties was actually just part of a progression in a particular

00:08:11.720 direction.

00:08:12.540 And so, yes, you, you got a certain amount of free speech in the nineties, a certain

00:08:16.980 amount of removal of restrictions, the, the restrictions of tradition and the right had

00:08:22.780 been almost completely removed.

00:08:24.180 And the restrictions that the left would impose had not come into their full, you know, shape

00:08:29.380 and form at that time.

00:08:30.380 And so it's often idealized as kind of this moment of freedom, this moment of kind of

00:08:36.040 libertarian opportunity, uh, where things would flourish forever.

00:08:39.940 But of course that wasn't the case.

00:08:41.740 The problem that these leftists have, and they are leftists at the end of the day, the

00:08:46.100 problem that these guys have is they don't have any understanding of the connective tissue.

00:08:50.580 They don't understand that they were on the slippery slope.

00:08:53.500 They made a living making fun of not heeding the warnings of mocking the people who warned

00:08:59.680 them of what would happen when certain restrictions, when certain social, uh, structures, when certain

00:09:06.200 barriers and traditions and folkways were removed from the general public, these guys made a living

00:09:12.360 mocking all the people who told them that, Hey, you start breaking down what marriage means.

00:09:17.220 You start breaking down what the family means.

00:09:19.880 If you start destroying the, the, you know, the relationship of men and women and their 0.78

00:09:24.240 places in society, if you start messing with this stuff that has been core to kind of human

00:09:29.680 organization throughout most of history, if you start breaking this stuff down, it will

00:09:33.320 inevitably have really dangerous effects.

00:09:36.680 Like this stuff is connected to other things.

00:09:39.180 You can't just pull out.

00:09:40.640 This isn't Jenga where you just pull out the pieces that you want to pull out and maybe the

00:09:45.240 tower will still continue to hold.

00:09:47.440 No, you are knocking out foundational pieces of human organization.

00:09:52.300 Those things were there for a reason. 0.96

00:09:53.900 It's not just that everybody before you happened to be terrible, racist, bigoted, you know, sexist, 0.99

00:09:59.260 homophobes, whatever. 0.96

00:10:00.120 Like that is not actually like, this is the construction of nineties liberals that everyone 1.00

00:10:05.280 before us were just this deeply intolerant, ignorant force. 0.96

00:10:09.560 And here we are, we have arrived at this point in civilization. 0.92

00:10:13.320 And we, through our enlightenment and our intelligence and our tolerance and our social,

00:10:18.240 you know, changes have just, we fixed all of the problems of human relations.

00:10:22.880 And we are the best generation and all humans after us will just be patterned on our, on our

00:10:28.340 incredibly tolerant and open society.

00:10:31.260 This is kind of the delusion that guys like this are still living.

00:10:35.620 And they're still kind of under this delusion that once they assembled society in this particular

00:10:40.700 way, once they have knocked out all of the restrictions, they don't like that society

00:10:44.500 would just continue, you know, perpetual motion of civilization would just continue on in this

00:10:50.080 very specific way.

00:10:51.920 But of course it didn't.

00:10:53.740 And that has them completely baffled, right?

00:10:56.120 And they think that the most dangerous thing that someone could face is a nineties liberal.

00:11:01.200 But of course that's not true at all.

00:11:02.940 Nineties liberals enabled all of this.

00:11:05.000 Nineties liberals brought this on.

00:11:07.580 They destroyed all of the barriers, all of the boundaries, all of the social organization,

00:11:12.380 all of the taboos that kept this stuff at bay.

00:11:15.600 The main thing is that these guys thought that once those things were destroyed, you would

00:11:19.440 just continue society would move on and would just be super tolerant and open forever.

00:11:23.940 But of course, that's not how humans behave.

00:11:26.700 Humans draw lines.

00:11:28.480 Humans build boundaries around things.

00:11:30.720 Humans stop and say, this is not what we want to be.

00:11:33.920 We want to shape this into something else.

00:11:35.780 They, they imposed restrictions.

00:11:38.300 That's how this works.

00:11:39.620 And they thought that if they just stripped out the Christian version or the right-wing version

00:11:43.280 of the traditional version, then that would be fine.

00:11:46.380 And that would just stay that way forever.

00:11:48.000 But of course not.

00:11:48.680 A different version of this crept in and turns out they were far worse than what the nineties

00:11:53.500 liberals thought they hated.

00:11:54.680 But of course they're not going to acknowledge that, right?

00:11:56.940 That we're, that all of this is just came from nowhere.

00:12:00.240 Wokeness just, just emerged from nowhere.

00:12:02.220 We had reached the end of human organization.

00:12:04.680 We had reached the pinnacle of human civilization.

00:12:07.280 And, uh, you know, we were just, we had progressed as far as everything was ever going to go.

00:12:10.940 And the revolution was just supposed to stop right there.

00:12:13.280 But of course the revolution doesn't stop.

00:12:15.160 The revolution will continue and it will come for the things that guys like Bill Maher and

00:12:19.900 Joe Rogan valued.

00:12:21.480 And that's when they finally got angry.

00:12:23.460 They didn't, and they can't draw any connection because if they drew the connections, right?

00:12:27.480 If they drew the connections between what they destroyed and what they got now, that would

00:12:33.200 have implications for how they live their life.

00:12:36.100 That would have implications for the mission that they set themselves on.

00:12:40.800 That would have implications for the values that they held.

00:12:44.260 And they don't want to challenge any of those things.

00:12:46.320 They just want to get point and sputter and be who the left has gone too far, but watch out.

00:12:50.740 Here come the nineties liberals to save civilization.

00:12:55.120 You're like liberals back when they were more reasonable before they became leftists.

00:13:00.800 And now every liberal kind of has to be a leftist.

00:13:03.540 It's not.

00:13:04.000 So again, there's this weird game that happens about what the word liberal means.

00:13:08.960 And part of it is of course, the fact that we, especially in the United States, uh, used

00:13:14.300 liberal to mean, uh, a, a, a progressive left person.

00:13:18.500 That's why I tend to use progressivism instead, uh, because I think that's a better understanding

00:13:23.400 of kind of that, of what that delineation might be.

00:13:26.560 But if so, if we had somebody who was beyond a moderate, uh, kind of Democrat, we called them

00:13:32.440 a liberal, right?

00:13:33.620 And because of that, we have this confusion between liberalism in the American style of

00:13:38.380 more radical leftist politics and liberalism as in, uh, a classical liberal.

00:13:44.200 Many people who think of themselves as centrist, uh, you know, moderately left, even moderately

00:13:50.540 right, call themselves classically liberal because they're thinking of the classical liberal

00:13:56.580 tradition of politics throughout history, reaching back to the enlightenment.

00:14:01.040 It's weird to know, it's hard to know what Rogan means here.

00:14:05.180 Does he mean classical liberal?

00:14:07.440 Because yeah, you could say somebody who isn't a classical liberal or somebody who is a classical

00:14:12.040 liberal, isn't a leftist.

00:14:13.220 That would be a, a reasonable thing.

00:14:14.900 It is a left ideology.

00:14:16.980 It is, it is heading that way, but I could see how you could say that that person is a 0.99

00:14:20.740 radical leftist.

00:14:22.080 You could be a much more moderate version of that.

00:14:24.360 However, if he means liberal in the sense of a Democrat, well, yeah, no, they were always

00:14:29.500 leftist.

00:14:30.060 And more importantly, Bill Maher has always been a leftist.

00:14:32.820 Bill Maher has always been a radical leftist.

00:14:36.620 Bill Maher was always about attacking religion, about getting rid of drug laws, about legalizing

00:14:42.000 prostitution, about doing basically all the vice man, the bug man vice things, you know,

00:14:47.760 legalizing all this stuff.

00:14:49.120 He was always on the edge of this.

00:14:51.460 Okay. 0.95

00:14:51.740 So the, the idea that he was not a radical leftist is ridiculous.

00:14:56.060 No, I'm sorry.

00:14:56.820 Bill Maher was always very firmly on the left.

00:14:59.800 He was never a centrist.

00:15:01.240 He was never a moderate.

00:15:03.240 He, he was, I'm sorry, this is just not true.

00:15:05.900 He was not some blue dog Democrat.

00:15:07.860 Bill, Bill Maher was very radically left-wing, especially on social issues.

00:15:12.360 He always was.

00:15:13.720 So this idea that, you know, he, he was, he was a liberal and that was fine.

00:15:18.560 And then, you know, the, the radical leftist came around.

00:15:20.880 No, you're just redefining radical.

00:15:23.480 Okay.

00:15:23.960 When you were a leftist, what you were, was radical.

00:15:27.460 You were on the edge of dismantling the family, dismantling values, dismantling religion, dismantling

00:15:33.800 taboos about drug use and sexuality and all these things.

00:15:36.780 You were on the bleeding edge of that.

00:15:39.140 What happened is that the revolution went to the next step and you stayed where you

00:15:43.780 were because you thought your battles were one, right?

00:15:46.220 You got the legalizations you wanted.

00:15:48.120 You got the destruction you wanted.

00:15:49.600 And so you thought you had gotten your victory and there was no reason to move any further,

00:15:53.400 but you were radical in your day.

00:15:55.400 So the problem with these people is so often that they just fell off the tip of the spear

00:16:00.100 and they're angry about it.

00:16:01.360 This is why you get the Barry Weisses.

00:16:02.960 This is why you get the James Lindsay's.

00:16:04.780 This is why you get to some extent guys like local distance because they thought the revolution

00:16:08.760 was only supposed to go to this point and no further.

00:16:12.220 And so if we could just roll everything back to the nineties, if we could just bring back

00:16:15.180 that nineties liberalism, that IDW golden age, everything would be fine.

00:16:19.760 But the truth is that these guys were busy about the work of dismantling our civilization

00:16:25.880 as it was.

00:16:27.360 They were on board with getting rid of all of this stuff and they're only angry now that

00:16:31.760 things went too far.

00:16:32.740 But their definition of guys like Bill Maher as some kind of moderate liberal, as opposed 0.99

00:16:37.620 to leftist, whatever those terms are meaning now is just foolish. 0.95

00:16:41.700 It's like, if you want to be on the team, you got to subscribe to the most fringe ideas 0.96

00:16:46.740 that the team is promoting.

00:16:48.540 And I get in trouble with that too.

00:16:50.300 It's just.

00:16:51.180 And yeah.

00:16:51.860 Okay.

00:16:52.320 Yeah.

00:16:52.580 Of course this is true.

00:16:53.500 And to, and to the credit of both these guys, you know, they, they do not promote the

00:16:57.640 most fringe ideology, but of course this is true.

00:17:00.200 Right.

00:17:00.480 And, and these guys would have made fun of anybody who wasn't as radical as they were.

00:17:05.700 Sorry, excuse me.

00:17:08.940 They would have made fun as, as anybody of anybody who wasn't as radical as they were

00:17:14.020 when they were on the edge of the sphere.

00:17:15.720 These guys were totally again about just destroying people who didn't agree with them during their

00:17:21.160 time.

00:17:21.540 Probably Bill Maher more than Rogan.

00:17:23.280 I shouldn't, I shouldn't speak as aggressively about Rogan in that time.

00:17:26.560 Cause I don't really know where he, uh, if, and when he kind of really, uh,

00:17:30.200 became more of a political animal, uh, more familiar with Bill Maher because he's always

00:17:33.880 kind of been that way.

00:17:34.940 A lot of his comedy has always been political.

00:17:37.360 He's always had like political shows and that kind of thing.

00:17:40.940 But, but speaking, I guess just about Bill Maher here, he's always been like this.

00:17:45.100 Okay.

00:17:45.420 And the only difference is that he fell off the tip of the sphere.

00:17:48.680 So he was fine with attacking people, destroying people, uh, you know, who, who weren't as radical

00:17:54.240 as he was.

00:17:54.960 That's not some weird new thing that just came about.

00:17:57.940 It just wasn't aimed at him.

00:17:59.780 And that's really his only problem.

00:18:01.460 I shouldn't be the target of this.

00:18:03.400 I'm sufficiently, I'm one of the good guys, you know, come on.

00:18:06.280 I was pushing against the right with you guys this whole time.

00:18:09.220 Why are you angry at me now?

00:18:10.420 And that's why it's always hard for these guys to really ever embrace a home on the right.

00:18:15.100 This is why they always complain because they're just temporarily embarrassed liberals.

00:18:19.440 They're just liberals who wish they could be as radical as these people.

00:18:23.460 They don't want to, they don't want to backslide to the, to the social, you know, uh, swamp

00:18:28.440 that is the right.

00:18:29.300 They don't, they don't want to lose status.

00:18:30.960 They don't want to actually lose their standing in the, in the kind of the, uh, the, uh, public

00:18:35.280 relations hierarchy.

00:18:36.460 They are very careful about who they associate with and how they associate because they still

00:18:41.280 want to have that foot back into the door to the good cocktail parties. 0.85

00:18:45.320 Yeah.

00:18:45.760 Bill Maher, maybe some radical leftist won't go on a show or something.

00:18:49.540 Maybe he gets some complaints from some corners of, uh, of leftist academia, but the vast majority

00:18:56.020 of cool people still want to be seen with Bill Maher.

00:18:58.580 They still want to invite him over to whatever the party is.

00:19:01.600 Bill Maher is still very well ensconced inside the liberal institution inside, uh, you know,

00:19:07.800 kind of a Hollywood establishment.

00:19:09.000 He's still very well loved and, and, and kind of valued by a lot of people with a high social

00:19:14.960 cachet.

00:19:15.400 He's paying no price for this.

00:19:17.820 I mean, again, he has a, a, a very, a well publicized show on a major, uh, you know,

00:19:23.860 network.

00:19:24.280 Like he, he is not really risking anything here.

00:19:27.400 He's just getting a very minor amount of blowback.

00:19:29.680 And the thing is, this gives him just the night, the right amount of street cred.

00:19:32.960 Right.

00:19:33.860 And again, this is why I keep trying to tell conservatives, these people are not your friends.

00:19:37.680 Okay.

00:19:38.380 That, that, that pushback is well-considered.

00:19:42.760 Okay.

00:19:43.000 It's just enough to get headlines.

00:19:45.040 It's just enough to say, Bill Maher, he's a rebel.

00:19:47.820 He doesn't stick with the establishment.

00:19:49.840 He does his own thing.

00:19:51.160 Right.

00:19:51.540 But it's never enough to actually get him canceled.

00:19:53.960 It's never enough to actually get him removed.

00:19:55.940 It's never enough to actually get real pushback that would threaten him financially or socially

00:20:01.200 actually remove his standing.

00:20:03.580 Bill Maher is in perfectly good standing with the vast majority of the left.

00:20:07.680 And he doesn't have to worry about any of that stuff.

00:20:09.580 And none of that is a mistake.

00:20:10.800 Okay.

00:20:11.160 He pushes back just enough to be called a rebel and otherwise he's fine.

00:20:15.060 And the funny thing about it is he doesn't think about how that orients him.

00:20:19.260 So the fact that he's not as left means he's further away from the establishment should

00:20:24.320 trigger a thought, right?

00:20:25.960 Why is the left the establishment?

00:20:28.060 Why, why is Citibank?

00:20:29.380 Why, why, why is the Pentagon?

00:20:31.700 Well, why, why are, uh, you know, BlackRock?

00:20:34.660 Why, why is Apple?

00:20:35.700 Why are all these massive Amazon? 0.98

00:20:37.280 Why are these massive corporations and banks and things?

00:20:40.400 Why are they on the side of the left?

00:20:43.080 Oh, cause the left is actually the power in the country.

00:20:45.620 They actually control everything.

00:20:47.780 Bill Maher kind of knows that because he knows he now needs, you know, he used to spend all

00:20:51.380 of his time saying radically left-wing things that would distance him from the establishment

00:20:54.920 of the right.

00:20:56.160 But now he says mildly right-wing things, very, very mildly right-wing things to distance

00:21:01.700 himself from the establishment of the left.

00:21:03.580 Why is the establishment shift on to left?

00:21:05.320 Bill Maher, completely in-curious about that, doesn't care, doesn't think about it.

00:21:09.980 Most of his criticism is still there for the right.

00:21:12.840 That's where the vast majority of his criticism is aimed.

00:21:16.480 Uh, but you know, don't think about it too hard because if we thought about it, you might

00:21:19.920 actually have to challenge your values, your assumptions, uh, in ways that could actually

00:21:24.920 put you in some kind of real danger.

00:21:26.800 It's such a, I mean, there's so many, like Joe list has talked about that recently.

00:21:31.100 The comic Joe list, very funny guy.

00:21:32.940 And he was talking about like, he's like, I'm a nineties liberal.

00:21:35.880 He goes, what?

00:21:36.760 I didn't change.

00:21:37.960 It's like everybody else kind of changed.

00:21:40.460 I didn't leave the left, the left left me.

00:21:43.840 Do you think, do you think even for a moment that these comedians, the fact that these

00:21:50.460 comedians 50 years later are sitting around smoking pot in a basement somewhere, recording

00:21:55.820 a podcast and they're just quoting Ronald Reagan.

00:21:59.080 Do you think that even hits them at all?

00:22:01.360 Even for a moment?

00:22:02.500 I didn't leave the left, left left me.

00:22:04.580 I didn't change.

00:22:05.660 Everybody else changed, man.

00:22:07.200 I'm the same nineties liberal I always was.

00:22:10.100 And wokeness just showed up with, again, no connective tissue, no sense of history, right?

00:22:16.340 No actual understanding of how one decision leads to another.

00:22:20.720 Because again, to contemplate that is to put yourself in a very dangerous position, something

00:22:26.720 that could actually challenge your standing, right?

00:22:29.900 So they're not going to do any of that.

00:22:31.000 We're not actually going to think about why am I somebody who pushed for the destruction

00:22:36.580 of Christianity, uh, you know, the normalization of, of, of, uh, drug use, uh, you know, the 0.93

00:22:42.500 legalization of, of escorts and those kinds of things.

00:22:44.900 Why am I that person now echoing the words of Ronald Reagan and what words were Ronald Reagan

00:22:50.300 echoing, right?

00:22:51.280 That's, there's an even scarier thing for conservatives, right?

00:22:54.400 Like, you know, Reagan, Reagan conservatives, why did Ronald Reagan say that?

00:22:58.760 Why are they, why was, why, why he and Bill Maher feel the same way, right?

00:23:02.640 He and Joe Rogan feel the same way.

00:23:04.060 Let's not think about that too much.

00:23:05.440 Too dangerous, too, too much history, uh, too much context, uh, run, run away, run away

00:23:10.520 screaming.

00:23:11.600 And so, you know, here we have them just saying these old platitudes over and over again,

00:23:16.500 without thinking about the context, about thinking about the implications.

00:23:19.980 It's just, it's just old men sitting on the porch complaining about why the young people

00:23:24.100 have passed them by and justifying their own kind of time in the revolution by saying,

00:23:30.560 well, at least we didn't go that far.

00:23:31.940 It just got real weird.

00:23:34.960 Like what you're allowed to disagree with and not to disagree with.

00:23:38.020 And, you know, it's strange.

00:23:41.500 I'm always trying to make the case that liberal is a different animal than woke.

00:23:48.100 Yeah, of course he is because that, you know, because now that's what's pushing back against

00:23:53.080 him.

00:23:53.320 But of course it is a different animal to be fair.

00:23:56.120 Yes, it is slightly different, but it is simply the natural byproduct of this is where

00:24:02.560 liberalism was going.

00:24:04.180 Liberalism, uh, was always heading this direction for many different reasons, because it was

00:24:09.760 normalizing the values that woke would capitalize on.

00:24:13.640 And this is again, something that those who defend this era of liberalism, the last patch,

00:24:19.560 if we could just roll things back to the last patch of liberalism, everything would be okay.

00:24:22.660 They can't acknowledge this because if they acknowledge that there's any connective tissue

00:24:27.320 between liberalism and woke ism, then they have to understand that the values that they

00:24:32.420 were dismantling as liberals, those conservative, those right wing, uh, those, those traditional

00:24:38.000 values, those things that they dismantled were holding back something that was real.

00:24:42.560 They were actually valuable.

00:24:44.480 Those things were in place for a reason.

00:24:46.360 It wasn't just ignorance. 1.00

00:24:47.380 It wasn't just stupid religious people from trailer parks, you know, holding up these 1.00

00:24:51.640 ancient prejudices, but these, these were real valuable pillars and foundations of society. 0.99

00:24:58.460 And if you acknowledge that very dangerous thing, then you have to unspool, not just what

00:25:04.760 the woke are doing, but all of this quote unquote social progress that just has enveloped

00:25:10.560 the United States in this amount of time.

00:25:13.640 Right.

00:25:13.960 And again, very dangerous place.

00:25:15.620 Even most conservatives don't want to go here.

00:25:17.480 Right.

00:25:17.900 Most conservatives don't want to think about this.

00:25:19.880 And so they, they look at this and they say, well, this has to be a very different thing,

00:25:24.500 but it's not woke ism was simply delivering on the promises of liberalism.

00:25:30.100 But we'll talk about that more in a second.

00:25:31.480 Let me, let me play a little more of the clip.

00:25:32.820 Yeah, because it is, and you can be woke with all the nonsense that that now implies.

00:25:42.460 But don't say that somehow it's an extension of liberalism, right?

00:25:47.560 Because it's most often actually an undoing of liberalism.

00:25:51.760 So this is just dead wrong, right?

00:25:54.160 And a lot of liberals will say this because they, they get confused about the tools that

00:26:00.080 liberalism use and some of the actual goals and where it was inevitably going to lead.

00:26:05.900 So most people, when they make this, uh, this kind of assertion, they're talking about

00:26:12.100 something like free speech, right?

00:26:13.460 Oh, well, liberalism liked free speech and wokeism doesn't, right?

00:26:18.860 It cancels people.

00:26:19.880 And so really that's kind of, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's undoing liberalism.

00:26:24.620 Okay.

00:26:24.980 But let's think about what liberalism actually did with free speech, right?

00:26:29.180 When did free speech ever, uh, bring forward, uh, the right-wing culture of victory?

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00:27:05.100 Oh, basically never, right?

00:27:07.940 Oh, okay.

00:27:08.500 Well, when did free speech, uh, create, uh, a stronger family?

00:27:13.140 Oh, oh, never.

00:27:14.480 Oh, weird.

00:27:15.140 Okay.

00:27:15.700 Is that because there's no good arguments for families?

00:27:18.100 Is that because there's no good arguments for religion?

00:27:20.660 Is that because there's no good, uh, expression, logical case for any of this stuff?

00:27:25.220 No, of course not.

00:27:26.180 There are literally hundreds, thousands of years of thought in this area, in this arena,

00:27:33.300 the philosophy, you know, art, music.

00:27:35.780 There's all kinds of things that back up, you know, this, this worldview.

00:27:40.580 But when they say free market, that's not what they're talking about.

00:27:43.560 They're not talking about bringing those best things into the modern day and letting

00:27:48.200 them stand on their own.

00:27:49.400 Instead, what was done with this, uh, idea was we will dismantle all of this stuff, right?

00:27:55.400 The point of this was to dismantle all of this stuff.

00:27:57.900 It was to bring about the destruction of the old order, the old hierarchy, the old norms,

00:28:03.940 the old tradition.

00:28:05.240 And that's what was done with the vast majority of this liberalism.

00:28:10.980 And now they're surprised that wokeism is coming in and dissolving all of the norms that

00:28:16.720 they love, right?

00:28:17.800 But of course it would.

00:28:18.700 Why wouldn't it?

00:28:19.820 You use these tools to dissolve everything that came before you.

00:28:24.880 And now wokeism is using many of what those tools that you loved and they're destroying

00:28:29.880 them in their move further on in the revolution.

00:28:33.480 So of course this happened.

00:28:34.520 And again, a lot of this is wokeism delivering on many of the promises that liberalism made,

00:28:40.240 but couldn't keep.

00:28:41.000 Liberalism told people, eventually we're just going to eat, uh, reach equality, right?

00:28:46.660 We're just going to reach equality.

00:28:48.700 Except we kept doing all of these things that were supposed to break down all of this, right?

00:28:54.220 They were supposed to break down all of these, uh, these barriers.

00:28:57.460 We're supposed to remove all of these problems.

00:29:00.100 And instead we never seem to get to this equality.

00:29:03.240 We never seem to get to this promise, uh, moment, right?

00:29:07.060 Well, why is that?

00:29:08.320 Well, we'll talk about that more in a moment.

00:29:09.940 Let's go ahead and hear them talk a little more about equality.

00:29:12.360 So you can have your points of view and your positions on these things, but don't try to piggyback on what I've always believed.

00:29:21.320 I have always believed as liberals do, for example, in a colorblind society, that the goal is to not see race at all anywhere for any reason.

00:29:30.400 Yeah.

00:29:31.180 Okay.

00:29:31.660 So to be really clear, this was not Bill Maher's goal.

00:29:34.880 It never was.

00:29:36.200 It was never the goal of any of these liberals.

00:29:38.560 Okay.

00:29:39.080 These liberals were constantly harping on this kind of stuff.

00:29:42.080 They've changed their tune now because they don't like the radicalism of where this stuff went.

00:29:46.320 But all of them were into this.

00:29:48.740 Okay.

00:29:48.980 All of them were really into the idea that you were going to alter the way that society ran by forcing people to see color in a very particular way, to see race in a very particular way.

00:30:00.340 That was always their goal.

00:30:02.140 They've, they've, they've backed off it.

00:30:03.320 Now they've said, Ooh, yeah, no, I, I was for colorblindness or something, but that was not actually the case.

00:30:08.600 Okay.

00:30:08.960 That, that was not what they were pushing for.

00:30:11.140 That's what liberals always believed all the way through Obama going back Kennedy, everybody, Martin Luther King.

00:30:21.820 So I'll be, and if you want to, if you want to understand that this is not what Bill Maher was supporting, this is not what he believed in at all.

00:30:28.180 Just look at his examples, right?

00:30:29.980 Uh, Barack Obama, really Barack Obama was for a colorblind society.

00:30:34.960 Barack Obama, who specifically went out of his way to foment race riots.

00:30:39.440 Barack Obama, who specifically went out of his way to create all kinds of racialist programs, carve out a, a racialist, uh, system of payouts to people.

00:30:50.220 Do you think Barack Obama didn't see race?

00:30:52.680 Do you think he wanted a colorblind society?

00:30:54.820 No, he went exact, wanted exactly the opposite.

00:30:57.160 And he was pretty explicit about this.

00:30:59.080 So the fact that Bill Maher brings this off as the first example is just delusional.

00:31:03.720 It has no connection with reality.

00:31:05.820 But even if you go back to his actual examples in history, he's, you know, references someone like Martin MLK.

00:31:12.740 Well, this, here's one for the, for conservatives too.

00:31:15.160 Sorry guys, but Martin Luther King Jr. was not a fan of colorblind society.

00:31:19.480 That was not actually what he was advocating for.

00:31:22.680 Yes, everybody quotes, you know, the, I want, I, you know, the judge a man on the content is character and the color of his skin.

00:31:29.140 But unfortunately that was not the only thing that Martin Luther King Jr. ever wrote.

00:31:33.240 It's not the only speech he ever gave.

00:31:34.840 It's not the only position he ever held.

00:31:36.780 And he was very clear over and over again that he was looking for racial quotas, that he was looking for affirmative action, that he was looking for a society that actively changed, actively meddled in the racial composition of its institutions, its hiring practices, and everything about it to reflect some kind of idealized situation.

00:31:57.360 He was not about a colorblind society at all.

00:32:00.200 That was not his understanding of the United States, where it should go and how it should solve its problems.

00:32:07.420 But again, these, this is held up as this is what liberalism always was.

00:32:13.360 Well, okay, but if that's the case, then the very people you're citing don't believe in what you're saying now.

00:32:18.520 Like, like even the people from just a few, like a decade ago, like Barack Obama, do not, did not believe in the ideology that you are pretending they believed in now.

00:32:28.740 And so your delusional idea of what 90s liberalism actually was, it just bears no actual, you know, no actual identity with the real thing.

00:32:40.640 It does not reflect the actual way that liberalism developed and the promises that it made.

00:32:47.700 That's not what the woke believe.

00:32:49.200 They believe race is first and foremost the thing you should always see everywhere, which I find interesting because that used to be the position of the Ku Klux Klan.

00:32:58.740 But again, this was sorry, but this was the position of Barack Obama.

00:33:02.880 It was 100% the position of a Barack Obama and is the 100% the position that he passed on to all of his other, you know, friends, all of his followers, all of his students.

00:33:15.740 This is what he passed on.

00:33:16.900 These are the values he passed on everybody.

00:33:18.400 Michelle Obama said that she was not really proud of the United States until they elected her husband as president.

00:33:27.400 That's not those aren't the words of somebody who is race blind, color blind, who who who never took these things into account.

00:33:35.280 Those are the words of somebody who held these things as the core piece of their identity, as a core piece of the identity of their country.

00:33:43.020 OK, so again, this just has no actual resemblance to what the real expressed understanding of liberalism was in the 90s, back to Martin Luther King Jr., all the way up to Barack Obama.

00:33:59.500 Sorry, this is just completely insane.

00:34:01.780 It has no bearing on reality.

00:34:03.780 We see race first and foremost everywhere.

00:34:06.260 Yeah.

00:34:06.520 So, again, you can have that position, but don't say that's a liberal position.

00:34:13.200 You're doing something very different.

00:34:15.020 I think the idea behind it, I think I understand their idea.

00:34:18.840 The idea is that the society is imbalanced.

00:34:22.520 And so in order to address that imbalance, you're going to prop up as many minorities as possible, make as many opportunities for minorities as possible and get it to a position where there are like white people are minority.

00:34:38.020 So, Joe, it's the nail on the head here, right?

00:34:42.280 I mean, this is what is the understanding, right?

00:34:46.340 This is the woke understanding.

00:34:48.220 This is the woke mission about how this problem will be solved.

00:34:52.380 So everyone with eyeballs in their head looks at society and says society is unequal, right?

00:35:00.800 We look at our society as it is, and we say society is unequal.

00:35:06.000 Now, there can only be a few explanations for why society is unequal, why there are continued, you know, systemic or continued differences throughout society that we see reflected even across groups, right?

00:35:23.780 And the only answers can be, well, either there is a racism, there's a hatred, there's a systemic problem, there's something in the actual structure of the society that is specifically elevating one group and holding another group down.

00:35:43.340 Or for whatever reason, one group is continually outperforming and other groups are not one, you know, some groups are performing better, some groups are performing worse.

00:35:55.940 And that is just the way in Americratic society that things will fall. 0.60

00:36:01.580 And unfortunate as that truth might be, like, that's just kind of how society is going to be if you're going to base everything on kind of ability, outcomes, those kind of things, right?

00:36:11.720 And so you have to look at that and say, which one of those is it going to be?

00:36:17.420 Now, the left, of course, has a very easy answer.

00:36:20.780 Oh, well, it's just this, it's the system, right?

00:36:24.520 There's it's the way that the system is laid out.

00:36:26.760 Country hates these people trying to destroy these people.

00:36:29.460 So it's the system, the way people are organized and the way people end up is entirely based on the system itself.

00:36:37.620 And so the system has to be racist.

00:36:39.420 That's what's holding everybody back.

00:36:41.040 That's what's pushing some people ahead and some people behind.

00:36:43.880 It's an easy answer for them.

00:36:45.260 And it's a great answer for them because it gives them power, right?

00:36:47.940 If that's the truth, if that's the answer, then the government needs a vast amount of power to change the system because it's not just the government, right?

00:36:56.960 It's not just the law, right, like specifically racially bigoted laws have been gone for a very long time.

00:37:03.880 And even like scholars, even even, you know, you know, social activists and scholars and professors and these kind of things of like, you know, different woke studies will even admit this if you kind of nail them down about it, that it's really hard to find like actual racial discrimination in the law against minority groups.

00:37:23.520 In fact, it's usually the other way around if it exists at all.

00:37:28.060 And so it's really hard for them to say, oh, well, this exists in the law.

00:37:32.440 So if it doesn't exist in the law, that's where we get this.

00:37:34.980 You know, that's why we get these Robin DiAngelo books on like whiteness, right? 0.87

00:37:38.680 Oh, it's a system of whiteness that pervades the entire society because it can't point to any kind of actual legal imbalance in the system. 0.96

00:37:45.580 And so we kind of need this disembodied bigotry that is just, you know, rife throughout the system.

00:37:51.600 And that explains what it is.

00:37:52.960 And that means that the government needs vast amount of power because if this exists at every part of the system, and again, you know, we can look at these differences.

00:38:00.820 They exist everywhere.

00:38:01.820 So it must exist throughout the system.

00:38:04.340 And that means that the government needs vast amounts of power to go in and change all of this stuff, right?

00:38:10.440 They have to force every business.

00:38:13.860 They have to force every, you know, bit of trade.

00:38:17.120 They have to force every sports team.

00:38:18.700 They have to force every, well, not sports teams.

00:38:20.880 If they regulated that, that would go the wrong direction.

00:38:23.360 So we just ignore that one, I guess.

00:38:25.040 But you get what I'm saying.

00:38:26.040 Like, they need this vast power to get to basically every social interaction ever in America to make sure it always comes out in a very particular way.

00:38:35.040 Like, this is the vision of equality for people who understand the system as the problem, okay?

00:38:42.560 But if it's not that, well, then you get into a lot thornier issues, right?

00:38:47.600 Because there's a really good argument, and I think a very far argument to be said, that, of course, there are, you know, decades and really hundreds of years of oppression that did come at some level, varying levels throughout history, that made it difficult for many different people to build generational wealth, to get education, to own property, and kind of advance in society.

00:39:15.320 And you can say, okay, well, those structures are gone now, right?

00:39:19.880 We got rid of those structures now, but the aftereffects of them are going to exist for X amount of time.

00:39:26.780 And that was kind of the argument of affirmative action, right?

00:39:31.340 This was the basis of affirmative action, even though it's never been popular, people never liked it.

00:39:36.780 But this was kind of how it was sold to people, was like, look, we have to acknowledge that Jim Crow and slavery were real, that they were immoral.

00:39:45.320 That they have real effects on people's economic situations, education, all of these things, social structures.

00:39:53.160 And that, you know, we have to have a certain amount, a certain period, a certain time in which we kind of make an adjustment.

00:40:00.420 We artificially hold down those who are doing well in society because maybe they were artificially elevated.

00:40:06.700 And we, you know, we raise up artificially those who were once artificially held down, right?

00:40:12.160 And so it's okay for the government to put their thumb on the scales to kind of rebalance this for a certain amount of time.

00:40:18.500 That's maybe not a great way for the government to do things.

00:40:21.880 But at the very least, people understood that argument.

00:40:24.440 There's a real connection to a certain amount of kind of historical injustice that was being made there.

00:40:31.640 But suddenly it went well outside that, right?

00:40:35.040 It wasn't just for African-Americans, those who very directly felt that.

00:40:40.120 But it was applied to everyone, right?

00:40:42.200 It started applying to women who are like 50% of the population. 1.00

00:40:45.660 So how can they be a minority?

00:40:47.160 And then it got applied to like every other minority, racial minority in the United States.

00:40:52.700 It got applied to the disabled.

00:40:54.480 It got applied to gay people and then trans people.

00:40:57.180 And so we watched as this, what was once a very specific argument of historical wrong and the kind of things that would be required to undo that.

00:41:09.400 And it got expanded to just a huge amount of population.

00:41:12.720 And the only people basically who don't fall under it are like straight white males, right?

00:41:18.000 And everybody else, you know, we're kind of in that area of getting that benefit.

00:41:24.760 And so there also became the question of duration, right?

00:41:29.640 Even if it was kept to like a specific group that had specific historical wrongs done to them, like you can't just do this to society in perpetuity.

00:41:38.440 Eventually people are going to notice.

00:41:39.920 Eventually people are going to ask, hold on, why am I being held down when I never had anything to do with the system?

00:41:45.460 My grandparents had, you know, my parents had nothing to do with the system.

00:41:48.700 My grandparents had nothing to do with the system.

00:41:50.120 I'm suffering generational guilt, I'm paying generational punishment for things I had nothing to do with.

00:41:58.360 And eventually too many people who have been held down by the system are going to say, wait, you know, what's going on here?

00:42:04.300 And so even if you're going to sell the system of affirmative action to people, you have to sunset it, right?

00:42:09.040 There has to be some kind of limitation to how far this goes.

00:42:11.820 But it turns out that actually the system was really profitable to the left, right?

00:42:16.420 And this is too good of a deal for them that they had built an entire coalition, entire voting blocks on the continued, you know, enforcement of this system.

00:42:28.660 And so if they could continue to tell people that this system was necessary decades and decades and decades after, you know, that this is going to be the case.

00:42:36.700 I mean, you're eventually, I mean, we're not there yet, but you'll eventually get to the point where there will be no one in, you know, who has a living memory of Jim Crow, right?

00:42:46.620 We're not there, but we will eventually get there as to where there is nobody who alive, whoever lived or suffered even under any part of that system.

00:42:57.280 And at that point, like, how do you continue to sell this, you know, this affirmative action regime, the civil rights regime to people who have no connection to it, right?

00:43:08.880 And this is especially going to be true of, like, new people coming in, right?

00:43:12.760 How are they going to be connected to this?

00:43:14.840 But the point is that, you know, Joe Rogan is right about, like, what their idea is.

00:43:20.240 Well, the system was unequal, and so we have to, like, just hold people down forever.

00:43:25.140 We have to, you know, we'll make white people a minority, and that will make it fair. 1.00

00:43:29.400 That'll be okay, right?

00:43:30.480 And then everything will be fine.

00:43:31.920 But that won't make it fair.

00:43:33.460 It will be okay.

00:43:34.540 It will be fine.

00:43:35.600 Like, there will be a new reason why the government needs to have this power.

00:43:38.540 There will be a new reason why the revolution hasn't continued.

00:43:40.640 There will be a new enemy for the coalition kind of aim at, right?

00:43:44.300 They'll just scapegoat, you know, white people when they're a minority, just like they did when they're a majority.

00:43:49.620 The arguments seem flimsy, but they seem flimsy now, right?

00:43:53.180 And so, like, they're never going to be able to really look at kind of the understanding of what happened here.

00:44:00.720 They're never going to be honest about what happened here because, again, that would require connecting the dots.

00:44:06.080 That would require looking at, okay, maybe we're just never going to get to this perfect equality because that's just not how societies function.

00:44:16.700 That's not how humans are.

00:44:17.960 And maybe the liberal revolution that destroyed all of these other parts of society in the name of liberation to get us here were always going to set us up for kind of the woke stuff.

00:44:30.060 Because the woke stuff isn't just racial, right?

00:44:31.580 It's gender. 1.00

00:44:32.700 You know, it's trans ideology.

00:44:34.740 Like, it's not just the racial stuff.

00:44:36.320 Like, they are doing, you know, terrible things to children because of this ideology.

00:44:41.840 And that's not the racial stuff.

00:44:43.720 That's tied to the liberation from gender. 1.00

00:44:46.560 That's tied to liberation from, you know, from marriage.

00:44:51.100 That's tied for liberation of kind of the understanding of the male and the female and their traditional relationship.

00:44:56.800 That's where that stuff comes from.

00:44:58.680 And you broke down all of those barriers.

00:45:00.700 And you don't have a problem there, right?

00:45:02.760 Like, where you're not talking about that.

00:45:04.140 And so we can kind of see that, like, Joe Rogan and Bill Maher are always going to be wrong about kind of the relationship between liberalism and wokeness because they have to be.

00:45:15.060 Because kind of their personal worth, their understanding of the world, their actions when they were younger, they're all tied in to this continuation, this continued understanding of kind of how the world works and where it was supposed to be.

00:45:30.020 And if they actually look back and say, oh, well, maybe destroying religion was a problem, maybe making fun of these people who said we shouldn't be doing drugs in public and you shouldn't have, like, open prostitution and you shouldn't be going out and, you know, breaking every social taboo because those taboos are there for a reason.

00:45:48.660 Like, maybe you're part of the problem.

00:45:50.880 And now you're just complaining about the inevitable consequences, the inevitable fruits of your actions and saying, oh, how could the world have gotten here?

00:45:57.680 Well, because you made it that way.

00:45:59.120 But they're never going to own that, of course.

00:46:01.580 And so we get we get sessions like this over and over again.

00:46:05.380 So please, conservatives, stop praising these people.

00:46:07.920 They hate you.

00:46:09.040 OK, they really do.

00:46:10.760 They hate you.

00:46:11.600 They hate your values.

00:46:12.360 They always did.

00:46:13.440 They wanted a world like this.

00:46:15.020 They just didn't know it.

00:46:15.920 And now they got it.

00:46:16.760 They're complaining about it.

00:46:18.080 Please, please, please, please, please stop praising these people.

00:46:22.340 They deserve the world that they manufactured.

00:46:26.600 They do not deserve some kind of praise for pushing back against it.

00:46:30.800 We're going to go over here to the Super Chats real quick, guys.

00:46:37.800 Creeper Weirdo for $2.

00:46:40.420 He's a he's a sensible centrist or and yes, absolutely.

00:46:44.420 He's he's, of course, the most sensible centrist.

00:46:46.740 Bill Maher has just always been in the middle.

00:46:48.980 He's always been in the center.

00:46:49.960 You know, how could things have gone wrong?

00:46:52.980 Right.

00:46:53.140 Always just this this well-educated and totally reasonable guy.

00:46:57.940 Let's see.

00:47:00.620 Homerus Loop Recall, Warmaster of the Evergreen Terrace.

00:47:03.880 I appreciate you donating just to make me say your name.

00:47:06.380 Once the boomers are gone, Mar is toast. 1.00

00:47:09.600 Yeah, of course.

00:47:10.260 Right.

00:47:10.540 That's true of all of these people.

00:47:12.000 And this is something, again, really, that these these kind of centrist guys, you know, the Lindsay's, the vocals, the, you know, the Joe Rogan's, the Bill Maher's, the Barry Weiss's.

00:47:22.180 They've got to understand their their their ideology is just on a timer, man.

00:47:26.920 Like the like the things that are left that are holding it up are dying in front of them.

00:47:30.980 They are pitching a lifestyle that was never sustainable and will only get less and less sustainable as kind of the few people who still hold those values die off.

00:47:40.140 But the the the the berries you broke down were essential.

00:47:43.720 They were critical.

00:47:45.160 They you've let those ideas flood the gates.

00:47:47.440 They have indoctrinated the next generation.

00:47:49.980 And sorry, but you're going to pay this cost like you.

00:47:52.720 You can you cannot you cannot stem the tide that you created.

00:47:56.020 And you're certainly not going to do it by just chanting.

00:47:58.080 Let's go back to the night.

00:48:01.120 Let's see. 0.56

00:48:04.180 Creeper weirdo.

00:48:05.000 But I remember, you know, oh, nine.

00:48:07.560 Yeah.

00:48:07.740 I mean, again, you know, well, Barack Obama will save us.

00:48:10.860 Right.

00:48:11.220 This kind of idea.

00:48:13.020 Let's see.

00:48:13.620 Glow in the dark here for ten dollars.

00:48:16.620 Nineties libs serve their purpose to advance the progress. 0.70

00:48:20.020 The progress.

00:48:20.980 And now, like all others on the march of progress, they're too old fashioned. 0.80

00:48:25.920 Marr smokes pot justifies being degenerate and mocking right.

00:48:29.900 Truly a paragon. 0.78

00:48:31.380 Yeah, that's exactly right, man.

00:48:32.900 That's 100 percent.

00:48:33.720 The case, right.

00:48:34.260 Is Marr just wanted to knock down enough barriers to live the lifestyle he had. 0.98

00:48:39.220 He couldn't imagine that there would ever be anything more radical, more ridiculous. 0.91

00:48:44.540 And so he's just retreating. 0.98

00:48:46.360 Right.

00:48:46.540 He's just saying, oh, well, you know, this was all I was fighting for.

00:48:49.380 And he doesn't realize that he was just a useful tool along the way.

00:48:52.800 And he got the things that he wanted.

00:48:54.360 And so now he gets to live the life that he wanted.

00:48:56.960 But now there are consequences.

00:48:58.420 And the consequences is that the next generation behind you matters.

00:49:01.600 This is the problem.

00:49:02.240 Right.

00:49:02.640 These guys lived life as if they would never be another generation after.

00:49:06.380 That's really it.

00:49:07.560 They lived the life of the last man.

00:49:09.740 There'll never be another generation. 0.90

00:49:11.280 I don't have to care about my kids.

00:49:12.520 I don't have to care about the world after me.

00:49:14.580 The world dies with me.

00:49:16.280 Once I close my eyes for the last time, that's the end of existence.

00:49:20.120 And that's what happens when you're an atheist, man.

00:49:22.480 I mean, that's just all there is to it.

00:49:24.680 You know, there are good atheists out there.

00:49:26.700 There are good people who are atheists out there.

00:49:28.180 But in general, the worldview is just nihilistic.

00:49:31.400 Sorry, but you cannot sustain a belief in the need to, like, cultivate society and virtue

00:49:37.120 when you don't believe in the things that would give virtue and you don't believe in the values

00:49:42.340 that are perpetuated once you're gone.

00:49:44.820 And that's all there is to it.

00:49:46.340 But Marr is a product of his own worldview.

00:49:49.540 How could he be anything else?

00:49:52.880 He cannot envision a world beyond him.

00:49:55.600 And he cannot envision a world in which he had to pull some civilizational maintenance.

00:50:00.060 Look, man, if you got a rental car, drive it till it breaks, right?

00:50:03.180 Who cares?

00:50:03.760 It's not yours. 0.78

00:50:04.480 You hand it in in a week.

00:50:06.380 But if you have to hand that car down to your kid, it's going to be your kid's first car.

00:50:10.420 It's going to be the one that if he gets in a wreck, protects him and keeps him from dying.

00:50:15.760 Well, man, you better change the oil.

00:50:17.740 You better make sure that everything works.

00:50:19.320 You better make sure those brakes are in good shape because that's your kid who's going to be driving that car.

00:50:23.280 All of a sudden, your legacy matters.

00:50:26.100 You've got to pull maintenance on it.

00:50:27.680 You can't just break it and do whatever you want with it because it's going to be handed to somebody who matters.

00:50:36.260 Homers again here for $4.99.

00:50:38.020 Thank you very much.

00:50:39.200 Don't forget, Mar made fun of Christianity forever.

00:50:41.500 And now he's left aghast with a new destructive religion took its place. 0.99

00:50:45.600 Yeah, again, just so many of these people were in complete denial about human nature and how people work.

00:50:53.300 They said, oh, this religion is just this leftover adaptation.

00:50:57.660 It's just this vestigial tale that needs to wither away and drop off and die.

00:51:03.900 It has no value for advanced and modern people.

00:51:08.020 And actually, it turns out that everybody's religious.

00:51:10.920 It's core to their identity.

00:51:13.260 You know, this is why why Dawkins got pwned is probably Curtis Yarvin's greatest essay.

00:51:18.700 This explains exactly this phenomenon of these people who thought that they had just evolved beyond this human need for meaning and truth and religion.

00:51:27.980 And wow, looks like it came blaring through the door and came back in a way that was far more dangerous than the thing that you got rid of glow in the dark here again for $10.

00:51:39.560 Thank you very much.

00:51:40.300 Imagine if 90s liberals ran China during the opium wars.

00:51:44.260 Yeah, right. 0.99

00:51:45.040 They would still be under foreign control, if not colonized, because all those stupid traditions or communities were dismantled and they got and they got their opium. 0.99

00:51:54.760 Yeah, 100 percent. 0.99

00:51:55.700 Right.

00:51:55.880 Like, there's no way to push back against destructive outside ideologies.

00:52:00.700 And this is the big problem with liberalism.

00:52:02.600 Right.

00:52:03.140 They think, oh, we didn't bring in wokeism.

00:52:05.920 Of course you did, because you dismantled all of the things that would have held it back.

00:52:09.600 You got rid of all of the things that stood in its place.

00:52:12.960 And you created the inevitable victory of this stuff.

00:52:17.020 James Burnham said that liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide, is the ideology that will bring about the end of everything we hold dear because it scoops out the ability of a civilization to defend itself.

00:52:30.720 If everything is up for debate, if everything is open to discussion, if everything can be challenged, if everything can be dismantled, if everything can be deconstructed, then your society will inevitably get consumed by something else.

00:52:45.520 Because, sorry, there is not this neutral marketplace where this stuff just gets hashed out.

00:52:50.600 There will be something that floods back in and controls you.

00:52:53.500 And now that it's wokeness, you have a problem with it.

00:52:55.740 But it was always coming.

00:52:56.540 Bolero 393, great meeting you, sir.

00:53:01.320 I ran into Bolero at a convention here recently.

00:53:07.060 Good to meet him.

00:53:07.660 Thank you very much, sir.

00:53:09.280 Bill Maher wants to go back to the 1990s, both to look like the edgy liberal and to have a show on a network instead of on HBO Max.

00:53:17.360 Yeah, fair enough.

00:53:18.240 I kept saying he had a show on a network, but he's really got a show on a failing streaming service, I guess, at this point.

00:53:24.280 But yeah, that's exactly right.

00:53:25.760 Bill Maher kind of wants to go back to the glory days.

00:53:27.980 Again, all of these guys thought of the 90s as the glory days.

00:53:31.300 I mean, I'm a child of the 90s, guys.

00:53:32.680 I have very warm, nostalgic feelings about the 90s.

00:53:37.400 I totally get it.

00:53:38.540 I loved Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and playing Double Dragon when I was a kid and stuff like that.

00:53:44.040 But that's all consumerist stuff, right?

00:53:46.040 That's not really actually something of value.

00:53:48.460 Those things were kind of all that was left after the cultural wasteland had stripped away so much of what it really meant to have a meaning and a culture and a rootedness.

00:53:58.240 But, you know, that's when these people kind of saw themselves as Ascended because they were a part of destroying all that stuff.

00:54:04.720 Beck's fan 77 here says, isn't it true to say the U.S. only made sense on the traditional Christian morality as its foundation, you know, inalible rights bestowed by God?

00:54:19.640 I mean, yeah, so that's certainly for a lot of people's understanding of kind of the U.S. tradition, that is very much the case, that you needed kind of a certain understanding of where rights came from, of how we should treat each other.

00:54:39.340 I mean, again, the U.S. founding fathers were very clear, you know, that the United States was owned, that the Constitution was only made to govern the people of the United States if they were a moral or religious people, that it was inadequate to rule other people.

00:54:52.420 So I think, you know, in very firm foundation that I don't know if, you know, kind of this form of democracy could have lasted forever, but it's very true that it definitely wasn't going to last as soon as we kind of lost that general kind of Protestant Christian agreement on what our basis was.

00:55:13.480 Look, you can only have a democracy, you can only have an open marketplace of ideas if you kind of generally agree, if you have a general understanding of kind of where the floor is on things, what the basis of things are.

00:55:25.860 Once that basis is gone, then there's, there's, you're just going to see people heading in farther, farther away, they're going to get, things are going to get more and more partisan, they're going to get more and more angry at each other.

00:55:36.840 Sorry, guys, I'm still recovering from a cold here at the, that had kind of the end of last week. So most of it's gone, but my throat is still a little bit raw. So that's why I'm coughing a little bit having to steal drinks of water. But yeah, Bucks fan, I think you're 100% right about kind of what it would have taken for the United States to continue in kind of that path.

00:55:59.620 All right, guys, well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap this up before I cough at you too much. Thank you so much for stopping by had a lot of great super chats today. Really appreciate it. Of course, if this is your first time stopping by the channel, please make sure that you go ahead and subscribe. And if you'd like to listen to these broadcasts as podcasts, make sure that you go ahead and subscribe to your Mac entire show on your favorite podcast platform. When you do that, please leave the rating or the review. It really helps with the algorithm. Thanks for coming by guys. And as always, I will talk to you next time.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 18, 2023

Bill Maher Is Wrong About Liberalism & Wokeness ｜ 9⧸18⧸23

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