The Auron MacIntyre Show - Blaming the Kulaks ｜ Charles Haywood ｜ 5⧸22⧸23

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00:00:30.260 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:38.340 So I'm sure all of you have heard the Democratic Party, the media, people like Joe Biden,

00:00:45.040 going on and on about white supremacy.

00:00:47.560 How it's taking over the country.

00:00:49.040 How it's the worst thing that could ever happen.

00:00:51.180 How is the greatest threat to our domestic lives.

00:00:54.120 It's pretty obvious that this is untrue, but they keep repeating it over and over again.

00:00:58.940 And we're going to be getting into why they do that today.

00:01:01.520 What's the motivation behind this?

00:01:03.260 Why is there this focus on this kind of language and rhetoric?

00:01:06.640 And joining me to discuss that topic today is Charles Haywood of The Worthy House.

00:01:11.160 Charles, thanks for joining me.

00:01:12.480 Pleased to be back.

00:01:13.260 Absolutely.

00:01:14.760 So obviously we've all seen this rhetoric.

00:01:16.740 It's everywhere.

00:01:17.520 It's constant.

00:01:18.700 And it seems ridiculous.

00:01:20.240 A lot of people like to laugh at it.

00:01:21.640 A lot of people like to joke.

00:01:22.900 They try to argue back at it with a bunch of stats and stuff.

00:01:25.700 And yeah, fair enough.

00:01:26.780 Like obviously the stats are there to prove what bunk this is.

00:01:30.400 But you had a very good tweet here over the weekend that kind of went viral on this.

00:01:34.780 And I think it provided some pretty good insight.

00:01:36.260 So could you just explain to us why are they obsessed with this particular language?

00:01:42.580 Well, my tweet said, in essence, compared the use of this language to other forms of leftist language,

00:01:49.940 most notably in the nature of a tweet.

00:01:52.260 It has to be boiled down.

00:01:53.380 You can expand it later on.

00:01:55.140 But to communist, early communist, early 20th century communist language, identifying the Kulaks and the bourgeoisie,

00:02:03.020 which of course were the targets of organized expropriation and extermination by the Bolsheviks,

00:02:08.980 as well as by other communist regimes, as well as later communist regimes like Pol Pot and so on.

00:02:14.120 And so what I did was I compared those terms to white nationalism and white supremacy as terms of flexible meaning,

00:02:21.600 the mean actual meaning of which is irrelevant, but the goal of which is to justify and implement the left program of expropriation,

00:02:31.760 followed by extermination of political enemies.

00:02:34.640 I mean, we won't spend any time on it.

00:02:37.300 White supremacy is obviously not a thing.

00:02:39.000 White nationalism is not a thing any more than, you know,

00:02:41.940 Martian supremacy or Martian nationalism is a thing in America.

00:02:45.680 Those things are roughly equivalent in the terms of in terms of number of adherents and certainly equivalent in the amount of political relevancy.

00:02:54.940 But you're right.

00:02:56.480 And I think what I was trying to get out of my tweet is that getting bogged down in any discussion whatsoever

00:03:02.640 of the so-called reality or unreality of white supremacy and white nationalism is a total waste of time.

00:03:09.360 We need to recognize these are merely tools used by our political enemies towards their political enemies,

00:03:16.500 namely us, in order to justify stealing from us and then killing us, 0.56

00:03:21.000 just like the Bolsheviks in 1919 and the 1920s and 1930s.

00:03:25.200 And if you fail to realize this, you will do yourself no favors.

00:03:29.880 Yeah, I think that's a really essential element because people so often, especially on the right,

00:03:34.300 they just take the argument at its face value.

00:03:36.400 They hear something and they say, well, that's ridiculous.

00:03:39.100 That should be easy to refute, right?

00:03:41.020 In the same way that a man cannot become a woman. 0.88

00:03:43.320 Obviously, white supremacy or white nationalism is not the number one thing that, you know, is threatening our country.

00:03:50.040 That is this is very obvious to anyone with just a set of eyeballs and a functioning brain.

00:03:55.540 And so they think, well, I'll just I'll just tell people and then they will understand.

00:04:00.080 But like you're saying, there's a very clear reason why this is being used.

00:04:04.320 When you sit there and you try to argue every bit of this, when you think, well, I'll just bring some statistics.

00:04:10.240 I'll just bring some facts and logic.

00:04:11.740 You're missing the very point of the rhetoric.

00:04:14.340 And that's why we see people like Joe Biden.

00:04:17.220 But most importantly, his all of these functionaries, we see the heads of FBI, CIA, you know, the Justice Department, you know, the the attorney general.

00:04:27.420 All of these people will repeat this over and over again, ad nauseum, even members of the Trump administration.

00:04:32.760 Some of these officials under Donald Trump said the same thing.

00:04:36.340 And it's very interesting that no matter who the the leader is, this rhetoric continue continues to echo throughout our administrative state, which means it probably has more than just some statistical refutation that needs to happen here.

00:04:50.720 I agree. I mean, I think refutation is entirely the wrong approach.

00:04:55.860 I think that preparedness is is the right approach.

00:04:58.600 There's really no no changing the fact that this is the inevitable end and always is historically the inevitable end of the left march to power or attempted march to power.

00:05:09.160 There is only one end point, which is existential conflict in order to either eliminate and destroy left power, unfortunately, historically, only until the next iteration.

00:05:20.580 Hopefully it can be some done someday in a way that's permanent or to accept that these people are going to steal everything you have.

00:05:28.100 And if you're lucky, only put you in a camp, but more likely kill you.

00:05:32.180 And so if you don't recognize that, then it's a mistake.

00:05:35.580 The the manifestations obviously vary because the communists focused on class, whereas here we see a focus on the nomenclature of race.

00:05:45.980 And I'm sure you could write an academic paper on why the current incarnation of the left, the Western left.

00:05:51.780 And here we're primarily talking about the American left, though.

00:05:55.280 Weirdly, it's also imported into the broader Western or Anglophone left is race. 0.92

00:06:00.160 Obviously, America has a long history of racial conflict, and perhaps it's a that's why they choose race rather than class.

00:06:09.340 The communists focus on class.

00:06:10.720 These people focus on race.

00:06:12.060 And then you get sort of getting the weeds about, well, you know, which races are the races that are being attacked?

00:06:18.240 Is race really an element or is it everybody who's a political enemy?

00:06:21.440 Is it that white people and honorary white people like Asians are the political enemy? 0.99

00:06:25.200 I mean, how much race is actually involved? Those are interesting discussions to have.

00:06:29.320 But the discussion you shouldn't have is, I agree, digging out statistics to prove that there are five whites, actual white supremacists in the United States and they have no political relevance.

00:06:39.140 I don't think that is a useful thing to do at all.

00:06:42.600 Yeah, it's pretty obvious that people like Clarence Thomas, you know, being being immediately dubbed honorary white people.

00:06:48.440 It means there's probably something a little beyond just purely race.

00:06:52.200 But I do think that that does obviously play an element for these people.

00:06:55.620 They wouldn't march behind this flag if it didn't have some kind of rhetorical weight for them.

00:07:00.280 But I think you're right that continually trying to refute this is is not the way to go.

00:07:05.080 Now, obviously, you know, some some people here are going to be familiar with the Kulaks.

00:07:10.040 But can we just give a little bit of context for people who might not be familiar with the history or kind of the the terminology who are the Kulaks and why were they such an important target for the Soviets?

00:07:19.460 So once upon a time when the Soviet Bolsheviks took power in 1917, the the focus, of course, of communism throughout the 19th century was class.

00:07:31.300 That is the oppression of one set of classes by another set of classes.

00:07:35.040 And this was this filtered through the Soviet Bolshevik lens came out in part in the idea that the people who are responsible for blocking the ascension of communism and its immediate deliverance of utopia were Kulaks, which is a generic term, meaning in essence, before the Soviets appropriated it, wealthy farmer, wealthy here, meaning somewhat wealthier than his neighbors.

00:08:01.840 The Russians have a long and not very respectable history of class envy. 0.97

00:08:08.300 And so there is a long history and there's all various folktales about Russian peasants being envious of their slightly richer neighbors.

00:08:14.840 So the term Kulak does not mean someone with a giant estate.

00:08:17.960 It means someone who has a few more animals than his neighbors, though it could be people who have a more substantial difference in assets or wealth than their neighbors.

00:08:27.620 And so especially when the Soviets were looking for food and trying to accumulate food from the countryside, they focused on whipping up propaganda campaigns of hatred against the Kulaks, which is a definition they expanded to be basically not just wealthy or farmers, but everybody they suspected of perhaps being opposed to the Soviet state.

00:08:48.660 A very broad group of people, including people like landless laborers who, for some reason, were identified, for example, with an ethnic group that might be considered to be anti-Soviet.

00:09:00.360 All these people were considered Kulaks and were expropriated and liquidated, killed by the millions. 0.99

00:09:06.120 There's more to it, but basically it was a term originally meaning rich farmer repurposed, just like white supremacy or white nationalism, which is something that has a real meaning, but expanded simply to mean political enemy.

00:09:19.860 Right, and I think the malleability of that term is important, but I think it's also important to understand some of the kind of mechanics of power that are happening here.

00:09:29.620 So I think the reason that Kulaks are always a problem for any centralizing regime is the high and low versus middle distinction, right, from Bertrand de Juvenal. 0.97

00:09:39.160 If you want to centralize power, you need to get rid of autonomy.

00:09:43.040 You can't have these people in the middle who have created social networks, who have created political networks, who have created economic networks, all these things that allow them to exist outside the power of the state.

00:09:58.060 The continued infrastructure of the previous regime cannot be allowed to move into the new one if the current regime is going to maximize its control.

00:10:09.060 And so you need to find a way, an excuse to collapse that middle class, that class that has accumulated enough property, enough social networking, enough social capital, enough independence to not always need and listen to the demands of the centralized state.

00:10:25.940 And so obviously not all Kulaks could do that, but some of the Kulaks did represent this.

00:10:31.680 The class envy is a huge part of it, but also the ability of them to provide for themselves, to show some level of independence and self-reliance.

00:10:39.380 That's a huge problem for a state that is kind of billing itself on its ability to top-down manage the entire economy, the entire infrastructure.

00:10:48.620 And here in America, we have a similar thing, kind of these remnants of bourgeoisie capitalism, particularly those that might have been connected to any kind of remnants of European settlers in the United States.

00:11:03.440 They need to be removed because they continue to perpetuate that system that allowed for independence, that allowed for regionality, that allowed for the kind of a federal government to exist.

00:11:15.080 And if we can just get rid of those, if we can just remove those infrastructures, then the total state can kind of solidify their control and their need to exercise that top-down central planning of everything.

00:11:27.280 You know, I think that's exactly right.

00:11:29.480 And I think you touched on the other term, which is highly relevant, which is bourgeoisie, which is kind of the urban equivalent of the Kulaks, the same group of people who have independent assets, independent thought, independent social networks.

00:11:41.500 And that's an even more flexible term than Kulak, which is also something that's more specifically Russian.

00:11:47.320 Bourgeoisie is a more common communist target for expropriation and extermination and even more flexible.

00:11:55.220 I think what goes along with that is also a form of magical thinking, which is that these people are the backbone of a society, right?

00:12:02.300 They make it go.

00:12:03.680 They supply both the, in a competent state, they supply a lot of the governmental functions as well in terms of filling civil services, service positions, so on.

00:12:15.440 But they basically form the backbone of the economy as well as the social fabric that is keeping things together and charities and all the other things that the web of fabric that used to be provided by civil society.

00:12:29.460 And now over the 20th century and into the 21st is now largely provided by government, as you say, increasing the total state.

00:12:37.340 But there's a form of magical thinking.

00:12:39.560 Take everything these people have and we can kill them or, for those who don't kill, eliminate the political relevancy, yet we can somehow maintain the social benefits and economic benefits that these people provide.

00:12:51.480 I mean, this only ends one way, which is in tears and disaster, but for whatever reason, the left can never see that.

00:12:57.960 So the arc is inevitable of what they will do.

00:13:00.620 Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that was going to kind of be the next thing I wanted to touch on.

00:13:04.280 Obviously, there was a huge consequence for eliminating the Kulaks because they knew how to farm. 1.00

00:13:09.300 And it turns out if you get rid of all the farmers who are good at farming, the only people you have left to produce food are people who don't know how to do it.

00:13:17.560 And it seems like we're possibly looking at the same fate here.

00:13:23.260 Middle America is what runs this place. 1.00

00:13:26.140 These are the people who are, for better or for worse for the left, however they see it, those that, like you said, make the thing go.

00:13:33.440 And it's very clear we're losing a lot of competency out of that class right now.

00:13:38.740 We're in a situation where we're entering this almost post-apocalyptic scenario where people can't maintain basic structures of society.

00:13:49.060 They don't know how to repair oil pipelines.

00:13:52.160 They don't know how to do plumbing.

00:13:53.620 They don't know how to upkeep basic things.

00:13:55.480 And as our economy of cheap new stuff falls apart, as our just-in-time delivery system gets stretched to its limits and we end up running into the situation where you can't just bring in the new set of cheap cars from whatever country, the ability to do things like maintain a vehicle becomes pretty essential.

00:14:14.520 But you've hollowed out the class of the same people who are keeping these kind of things running.

00:14:19.060 And so all of a sudden you're in a situation where you've tried to force the competent class out of the scenario because they happen to be the same people who stand in the way of your expansion of power and you've undermined the ability of your civilization to function in the meantime.

00:14:34.240 Yeah.

00:14:34.740 I think it's important to note as you talk about the competent people, traditionally the bourgeoisie is regarded as the middle and upper middle class.

00:14:42.780 But really, the people we're talking about nowadays, the people who are the white supremacists or what have you, are really what Hillary Clinton called the deplorables.

00:14:51.880 That is, typically what historically we consider lower middle class people, blue collar people, people without the academic credentials to get the expensive job.

00:15:03.040 The people at the higher end of the middle class social spectrum are almost all parasites now.

00:15:08.060 80% of them whatever, as shown, of course, by a classic example is Musk firing 80% of Twitter.

00:15:14.220 Those kind of people don't provide any value and don't have any competency.

00:15:17.900 The people who provide the value, both in terms of economic value and social fabric, are really people who historically are kind of lower down on the class scale.

00:15:27.160 Now, this is probably, you'd have to sit down and think about a fruitful avenue for distinction between communism on the one hand and the current regime incarnation of leftism on the other, because the class distinctions aren't exactly the same.

00:15:41.980 And this probably flows again into the race distinction.

00:15:45.100 But it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

00:15:46.800 I mean, the battle lines are drawn because it's obvious to anyone who's paying attention who's on which side of the political divide, who has the political power and is defining their political enemies, namely defining them as us, and who is going to be the recipient of their murderous attacks, which is us.

00:16:04.380 So I'm sure there's some academic distinctions to be made between class and race and the different ways you can slice this pie.

00:16:10.680 But I think you should continually return to the fact of who is friend and who is enemy.

00:16:15.540 Yeah, there is an obsession, of course, and I have been involved in this battle many of the time publicly online, about the origin of wokeness or our current progressive regime, what it's actually tied to, what the really operative stuff is.

00:16:30.660 And those are interesting discussions.

00:16:32.800 I think they have some value, though, again, as I've said before, these should mainly be academic distinctions.

00:16:40.180 They shouldn't really be something that the average person has to worry about.

00:16:42.540 The only reason I think these origins really matter or worth debating is the number of people who seem obsessed with pushing this idea that wokeness is just Marxism, because then if we can just get rid of Marxism, we don't have to worry about the other things that we really, really love about the United States up until the 1990s.

00:16:59.180 None of that stuff was an issue, and none of it would have naturally led us here.

00:17:02.180 It all will just go away as soon as we get rid of Foucault from the classroom, right?

00:17:05.620 Yeah, no, that's not going to work out.

00:17:08.880 I mean, it's pretty obviously not working out.

00:17:10.960 We can debate whether, despite the undoubted virtue of the Founding Fathers, that the enlightenment seeds of the American experiment laid the necessary ground for where we are now.

00:17:23.160 That said, I mean, I think the answer is probably yes.

00:17:25.640 But I've kind of come relatively recently to this realization of existential conflict inside of America.

00:17:34.020 I'm old enough that I can remember the late 80s, early 90s as a political matter.

00:17:39.240 And I always used to be very, I was always averse to seeing these conflicts in existential terms.

00:17:46.840 In retrospect, that was a mistake.

00:17:50.180 It was clear that this is where we were heading even then, and here we are.

00:17:55.500 It's just kind of sad to me that I have to put out tweets about, you know, realizing that our enemies want us all dead.

00:18:01.520 It's really not where I expected to be when I turned 50, but, you know, what you're going to do?

00:18:05.740 Yeah, it is one of those things that is very unsettling to realize, because obviously it puts you into a very precarious position.

00:18:13.760 But it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to sit around in there and mince the words, especially when, like you said, what matters here at this point is kind of the operative politics.

00:18:23.220 You know, it's great to, again, think about the academic, you know, origins of this stuff and how that actually ends up playing out.

00:18:31.460 But at the end of the day, time is short, and you really need to figure out how to organize things and what you should expect and not so much worry about debates about, you know, 250 years ago and, you know, where this all would have delivered us now.

00:18:43.760 Wow. Now it's, sorry, I had something right here. I wanted to make sure I hit, oh, we hit the maintenance there.

00:18:49.660 Okay, yeah. So then in that case, I wonder what would be then some of these consequences of this rhetoric?

00:18:59.560 Obviously, we know that this is used to identify people as enemies, create a wide swath of this.

00:19:07.360 We've already seen the willingness of the administration to use forces like the FBI to surveil political enemies.

00:19:14.960 We know they went after Trump. We know they knowingly, you know, influenced the election.

00:19:18.860 We know that they are kind of emphasizing this rhetoric so that they can expand that power.

00:19:25.280 And it seems like the, you know, the left is looking for the next event, the next January 6th, the next George Floyd, the next opportunity to have a reason to expand that definition, accrue additional powers, you know, kind of get the next Patriot Act and push this down on their political enemies.

00:19:43.380 Yeah, I think this is the inevitable arc of all left regimes, the all radical regimes more generally.

00:19:51.180 But there's very few right radical regimes and not really enough to make a set of historical examples from, but it is the inevitable arc of left regimes, the inability to stop the internal demands for continued leftward progress and the permanent revolution.

00:20:08.720 In order to do that, you must always be finding new targets and delivering new goals, or you have to announce that utopia has arrived.

00:20:17.500 Because of that, of course, I always define leftism as a combination of demands for emancipation and egalitarianism.

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00:20:54.440 In the service of achieving a utopia, and unless you're willing to declare that the utopia has arrived, and everyone can look around and see utopia has not arrived, you must always be saying, well, if only we get this power and we destroy the power of these people, then we can make continued progress towards utopia.

00:21:12.200 So I think you're exactly right that they're looking for another way to gin up the next round of power increase and violence directed at their political enemies, whether that's something like the electoral justice protest or the Floyd riots or what have you.

00:21:27.540 But I think that those things serve a couple different specific functions.

00:21:32.260 I mean, one is simply whipping up their shock troops.

00:21:35.520 And again, weirdly, for something that involves allegedly its nomenclature race, all those shock troops, the Antifa types and so on, most of those are white. 0.53

00:21:44.000 So, you know, you can see just kind of by the very nature of the regime that they give the lie to their own claims to begin with.

00:21:53.000 But I think that whipping those people up, whipping the kind of low IQ, high hate level shock troops of the left who kind of implement the forward edge of left power is something, whipping those people up is very important.

00:22:11.640 And to do that, historically, propaganda has been used from the French Revolution on.

00:22:15.520 And it varies, of course, depending on the context, but this is what they've chosen, white supremacy and so on and white people being defined as white people, Asians and black people who don't agree, who don't agree.

00:22:29.220 So but at the same time, there's a serious, that is serious, but there's a more considered and longer term goal, which is expropriation.

00:22:39.760 Again, as with the Kulaks, I mean, the holders of the asset, actual assets of the United States are still, by and large, white people who do who work for a living and both assets in terms of the people who produce value. 0.98

00:22:53.720 And so getting the as the regime and the regime functionaries produce less and less value, it's more and more important to get their hands on the value that exists in order to be able to pay off their, you know, as you said, in the juvenile sense, their high low alliance, they need to pay off the low people who don't produce any value.

00:23:13.820 And so seizing the assets is very important.

00:23:16.240 And of course, the third reason for this iteration that will happen whenever they can find a convenient excuse is simply to provide a rationale for why they haven't, because these people are still here, because we haven't gotten enough power.

00:23:32.680 That's why the promised utopia of total freedom and total egalitarianism hasn't, but just around the corner, once we get this, it's going to be so awesome.

00:23:41.640 So all those things flow together, but that's what makes it so dangerous.

00:23:45.640 It also makes it the opportunity.

00:23:48.560 I mean, my underlying political theory in this context is that the left's reach always exceeds its grasp.

00:23:56.000 And if it can be cut off at the legs at the right moment when it overextends, that's how one can win.

00:24:02.440 But you have to wait for the right moment.

00:24:04.640 Yeah. And the wait for that moment can be rather difficult.

00:24:07.260 Now, we've talked about the kind of the hostility and the implementation of the federal government and the law enforcement.

00:24:17.300 But you brought up the expropriation there, which is really important, too.

00:24:21.180 You have to generate that income.

00:24:23.800 The patronage network is key, right?

00:24:26.380 The left isn't just winning because they happen to have the best arguments or because they've even grasped the moral center of the nation,

00:24:33.760 though the second part is at least true, unfortunately, to some extent, but because they're paying people out.

00:24:39.420 Because at the end of the day, people know this is where the dollars are.

00:24:42.480 And the process is exactly as you said, making sure that you squeeze every last ounce of money out of the middle class,

00:24:49.760 particularly the white working class, so that you can go ahead and pay off many of these groups. 0.80

00:24:55.680 And so it's really essential to always have, of course, you need the moral reason to do that.

00:25:00.280 And that is, of course, that all of this is ill-gotten gains.

00:25:02.740 All of this was already expropriated from your ancestors.

00:25:05.620 And so this can now be safely taken.

00:25:09.540 You can level the prescriptions at these people because they totally deserve it and go ahead and take that money and pay off your patronage network.

00:25:17.460 But you also end up eventually running to the problem that this is a strategy that burns through itself, right?

00:25:24.380 As we said, along with eliminating all the productive people, you will eventually squeeze all of the wealth that has not been concentrated in either the ruling elite

00:25:33.200 or has been dissipated down into classes where it is meant very particularly to immediately vanish under the weight of cost of living and other, you know,

00:25:42.300 it will not be saved. It will not create generational wealth inside the patronage network.

00:25:47.160 At that point, you have a really big problem, especially when you've kind of run your economy into the ground.

00:25:53.420 And so I think we're going to eventually see that the miracle of progress and the willingness to redistribute kind of the income of the middle class

00:26:00.900 in a way that's not going to create generational wealth for those that are counting on that patronage network

00:26:07.460 is eventually going to run you into a scenario where there's simply nothing left to feed people.

00:26:12.300 Except the people at the top. That's all that's left.

00:26:16.040 Yeah. And I think in this historically, that's definitely the case.

00:26:19.260 But it's exacerbated in this case by the fact that so much of American wealth is fake and based upon both.

00:26:27.720 I mean, GDP is kind of obviously fake in many ways, 70 or 80 percent of it, maybe something in that range.

00:26:34.000 But and I'm hardly an expert in things like the U.S. dollar is the reserve currency and the use of the petrodollar and so on.

00:26:41.100 So I have no opinion about whether the United States dollar is going to collapse soon or whether the BRICS countries will undercut the American ability to export its inflation and so on. 1.00

00:26:50.620 But the fact is that you can easily imagine a scenario where at the same time, while the white working class becomes unproductive, 0.75

00:26:58.220 either because as an essence, a form of strike or because they've been hounded to the hills or because so much of their actual wealth has been expropriated.

00:27:10.200 And at the same time, there's some overarching economic collapse that doesn't allow the regime to continue levitating the economy and creating free money out of nothing.

00:27:19.880 That would actually be catastrophic in an extremely short period of time.

00:27:23.760 And again, that's what I mean by the regime's reach exceeding its grasp.

00:27:27.680 They're like, well, you know, we can continue squeezing these people over the next several years.

00:27:31.000 And then one day you wake up and nothing works at all anymore.

00:27:33.720 So that's kind of, I mean, I'm not hoping for that, but, you know, that's the kind of historical opportunity that exists to make changes.

00:27:41.720 Let's put it that way.

00:27:43.020 Yeah, I mean, it's the same problem they ran into when they decided it was a great idea to kind of purge all these people out of the military, right?

00:27:48.740 Well, let's get rid of them all.

00:27:49.980 We'll use the vaccine mandate as a code word for purging, you know, our most, you know, all the Appalachian boys out of the military. 1.00

00:27:58.980 And all of a sudden there's no recruits.

00:28:01.420 There's no, there's no, because it turns out these people made up the bulk of combat arms, made up the bulk of special forces, made up the bulk of the most forward-facing part of the military.

00:28:10.800 And it turns out you can't get enough, get enough drone pilots to really make up for these guys.

00:28:15.700 No, and the people, the recruits they do have, they have to hugely lower both intellectual and physical standards.

00:28:23.520 So, I mean, only a fool would have any confidence in the ability of the American military to fight any large scale, unfortunately.

00:28:32.780 I mean, fortunately and unfortunately.

00:28:35.820 That is, I'm in favor of America having an adequate military force.

00:28:40.180 I'm not in favor of the regime having any military force.

00:28:42.940 And so until the regime is separated from America, then the question of whether it's good or bad to have a strong army remains open.

00:28:50.800 Nonetheless, it's kind of pathetic.

00:28:51.960 We can all agree.

00:28:53.520 Yeah, it's really unfortunate, you know, as someone who grew up as the, you know, the kid of a military officer, lived on military bases most of my childhood.

00:29:02.300 It's a really very sad thing to see.

00:29:04.320 These are people I have the highest respect for.

00:29:06.320 These are organizations that I used to basically worship.

00:29:09.660 And watching them fall into something like this is ugly.

00:29:12.120 But at the same time, we do have to understand, like, the interests of the nation and the interests of the empire have separated.

00:29:18.040 The interests of our ruling class and the global empire that they want to operate are not the interests of the American people.

00:29:24.180 And so what's good, unfortunately, for the empire is bad for the nation, which means if the empire has a more functional and competent military, their plan is not to just infinitely strand that somewhere in a foreign country.

00:29:35.600 Eventually, eventually, it's coming home for you.

00:29:37.660 And so, you know, that is a very hard thing, very difficult thing, especially for people like myself who are talk radio conservatives most of their lives and, you know, to kind of deal with.

00:29:48.160 But it is the truth.

00:29:49.440 And there's there's, again, just no value in denying that is as difficult as it might be to kind of face that.

00:29:55.620 But I also wanted to look at the the effect of this rhetoric, this white supremacist rhetoric on another big tool of our regime, which is a narco tyranny. 0.98

00:30:07.680 So I think at this point, especially due to Tucker Carlson's usage, almost all conservative political pundits are now familiar with the term narco tyranny.

00:30:16.540 But this is something that has been at play for a long time.

00:30:19.920 San Francis obviously introduced this in, I think, the 1990s.

00:30:23.360 And so this is, you know, this is a process that we've been undergoing for quite a while.

00:30:27.880 But it's become so obvious and so painful that it's hard to ignore for pretty much anyone at this point.

00:30:33.720 And there's really no case of this that's more obvious than we look at what's happened in New York with cases like, I believe it's Daniel Penny, right?

00:30:41.420 Yeah. Yeah. So so Daniel Penny, you know, he and two men of color, as far as I can tell, subdue a violent homeless man who has kidnapped people, who's, you know, who's threatening to assault people on this train.

00:30:55.100 And the guy ends up dying, you know, because probably not the healthiest individual, by the way, just as a quick aside, all these people are, oh, it's a it's a chokehold.

00:31:04.860 It's it's fatal. Guys, I have put people in a rear naked choke and have been put in a rear naked choke countless times.

00:31:10.720 I'm still here. Everyone else is still here. That's not how these these carotid artery chokes necessarily work. 1.00

00:31:18.080 But if you're an unhealthy person, if you're someone who's done a lot of drugs or lived on the street your entire life, then, yeah, you might have a more serious condition when when something like that happens.

00:31:27.240 Point being, this guy is obviously involved in some form of defense, if not direct self-defense, defense of everyone around him.

00:31:33.900 Anyone in a sane society would have pinned a medal on this guy's chest at some point.

00:31:39.820 Obviously, like we don't have direct footage of what happened here, but from everything we can tell, that's the case.

00:31:45.600 And now not only is this guy facing serious charges, but he had to come out and tell everyone he's not a white supremacist.

00:31:52.720 And that is probably the saddest thing we've ever seen, because the rhetoric involved here is specifically designed to keep good people from protecting those around him,

00:32:02.100 to destroy social fabric, to make sure that any at any time, if you think about stepping in and protecting yourself or others from people who have been specifically left on the street by the regime to terrorize you,

00:32:13.320 you will be labeled this white supremacy thing and it's all over for you.

00:32:17.520 Yeah. And so it's very unfortunate, as you say, that the frame is unavoidable because they control the media, so they control the narrative.

00:32:25.660 And so you're forced into, and there's a lot of people out there who are not regime toadies, but buy into this idea that because of all the propaganda,

00:32:35.800 I mean, there's a large numbers of people out there who buy into this propaganda because that's the way propaganda works.

00:32:41.060 The masses tend to believe the propaganda or it's completely ineffective propaganda.

00:32:46.200 So it's very unfortunate that someone like Penny has to come out and make statements when the correct response is to punch the person in the face who asked the question

00:32:55.200 and have that person, you know, flogged round land, thrown in the nearest canal to swim to the shore.

00:32:59.760 I mean, that's the way things used to be handled in a society where people just wouldn't accept this kind of anarcho tyranny,

00:33:08.340 which is really just factionalism, which is one of the oldest, oldest political tricks in the book.

00:33:14.040 The rules apply relating to violence, apply to you, but don't apply to me.

00:33:18.520 I mean, that's, and this was true in Greek city-states.

00:33:22.580 The factions formed and the factions applied different rules to themselves.

00:33:26.960 So this is true.

00:33:27.760 This must be some deep element of human nature.

00:33:31.240 But there's really, I mean, this highlights what we were saying earlier.

00:33:34.080 There is no resolution here.

00:33:36.020 That is, there's no universe in which, let's say, Daniel Penny is acquitted, in which that's an acceptable result.

00:33:42.960 The only acceptable result is for everyone involved in the process of this persecution, the media, the prosecutors, to suffer extreme punishments.

00:33:52.860 And, you know, exile, confiscation of all their assets, you know, public humiliation.

00:33:58.760 Until we are a society which implements punishments for people like that, which, of course, means civil conflict,

00:34:04.520 then they will just continue to do these things to us.

00:34:07.860 I mean, back in the day, people would, if the people of New York had any sense, they would have had every moral right to storm the courthouse and free Daniel Penny and then give him a nice steak dinner to celebrate.

00:34:22.040 And then if the relevant local law enforcement came along to keep them away by force, that's what they should, you know, there's no moral reason that they can't do that.

00:34:32.000 But that's not what we are as a society.

00:34:34.440 I don't want us to be there as a society.

00:34:37.220 But we have to understand that's the way they treat us.

00:34:40.760 Whereas anyone, when they kill people on our side, they're never charged.

00:34:45.500 I mean, there was the recent case where that, remember, during the Floyd riots, that security guard shot some Trump supporter in the face.

00:34:52.560 He was never charged.

00:34:53.460 There was a case last week where in North Dakota, of all places, the DA dialed back the charges, something minimal for a guy who deliberately killed a teenage Trump supporter.

00:35:03.260 So you can't run a society where one set of people is allowed to kill the other set of people and the other set of people isn't allowed to fight back.

00:35:12.300 This inevitably ends in violence.

00:35:14.560 I mean, I don't like violence.

00:35:15.700 I'm not suggesting anyone go out and do violence.

00:35:18.340 I am suggesting people defend themselves.

00:35:20.480 But you just can't run a society this way.

00:35:23.840 And it's it's just kind of sad because they used to feel like America was more like America.

00:35:28.320 But, you know, as I said before, what you're going to do?

00:35:31.900 Yeah, I mean, there's just a horrific ability of this constant propaganda to kind of force this on the people.

00:35:39.160 I don't know if you remember this a few years ago, but there was this five year old in North Carolina called Cannon Hennett.

00:35:45.360 And he was shot and killed while riding a bicycle was shot in the head because and the defense of the black man who did it was he said something racist.

00:35:58.720 Now, who knows if that's true?

00:36:01.520 Right.

00:36:01.960 But the horrific idea that that would have been a justification, that that would even come to mind is something that could justify that kind of violence, that kind of horrific violence is already insane.

00:36:13.380 But the worst part about it was the child's mother, the mother of the slain child, felt that her most important duty was to run out and tell everybody how not racist her son was, as if that was the relevant point, as if that was the key factor in what of the events that just occurred there.

00:36:30.040 It was her duty as the mother of a slain child to go out and vindicate him from the far worst sin, not not one of murder, but one of possible racism.

00:36:40.120 That was the that was the most salient fact kind of in that scenario.

00:36:45.020 And as long as you have that kind of hold and sway on the mind of the population, it's very difficult for people to kind of look and understand what's happening.

00:36:53.900 Yeah, that is the kind of weird thing, the hold on the minds of the population.

00:36:58.680 I mean, the traditional answer to factionalism of this type that's or narco tyranny is vigilante justice. 0.75

00:37:06.980 And that's what people typically turn to in these kind of situations.

00:37:10.740 And then eventually, either the people who initiated this cycle of violence decide they need to dial it back or you move on to the next cycle of violence.

00:37:19.320 But weirdly, people on the right seem to have entirely crippled their minds for the most part and assumed this kind of weird like I don't know if I'm allowed to say this in the podcast, but prison bitch, you know, kind of kind of like I need to just sit here and take it kind of thing.

00:37:37.480 And because my ancestors were racist or something like that, I don't get it.

00:37:41.680 It's very strange to me.

00:37:42.880 But it does mean that like so many things about our current situation, it's just unprecedented.

00:37:47.960 Like what this is going to lead to as a political matter is just so unclear to me, even though I'm kind of a history guy and I like history.

00:37:54.040 Normally, you can see kind of pretty clearly what's going to happen and you can see in broad strokes what's going to happen.

00:38:00.300 But as the example of the five-year-old you just gave, I mean, before in history, no normal person would ever behave like that.

00:38:07.600 I mean, I mean, what the hell?

00:38:09.400 Yeah, it's absolutely insane.

00:38:10.820 Of course, we also just saw this with the pregnant nurse in New York, right?

00:38:15.660 We get this initial video that comes out and it's her, you know, trying to tell this group of young black men, no, you can't have this bike.

00:38:26.020 It's my bike.

00:38:26.620 I paid for it.

00:38:28.000 When they continue to kind of crowd her and try to force her off of it, she starts crying.

00:38:32.000 They accuse her of kind of making everything up and, you know, oh, you're a Karen, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:38:37.400 But then everything comes out.

00:38:39.500 And to be clear before this, like all these civil rights leaders and all these lawyers and people came out and said,

00:38:45.140 oh, she deserves this.

00:38:46.760 She's obviously trying to destroy the lives of these people. 1.00

00:38:48.940 They're just innocent people trying to get the bike they paid for.

00:38:51.900 And she's, you know, she's trying to destroy their lives on social media. 1.00

00:38:55.420 And of course, it comes out that actually she had the receipts for this bike.

00:38:59.780 She paid for it.

00:39:01.040 Like this was all exactly what she said it was.

00:39:04.220 And, you know, these people went out and immediately tried to destroy her life off of nothing.

00:39:09.040 Now they've all deleted those tweets because she's threatening to sue them all. 0.98

00:39:12.080 And I hope she destroys every one of them.

00:39:14.680 I hope she's living in a palatial estate, you know, but at the same time, it's very difficult.

00:39:19.800 Like a lot of people will say, oh, well, female nurse in New York, she probably voted for this. 1.00

00:39:25.040 Maybe she did. 0.93

00:39:25.660 I don't know.

00:39:26.140 But it doesn't matter.

00:39:27.340 Like democracy is stupid.

00:39:28.700 You shouldn't let people live this way.

00:39:31.480 Right.

00:39:31.880 I mean, it's weird because they're clearly looking, as you said earlier, for their next Floyd moment, you know, taking some scumbag and elevating him into some saint.

00:39:43.240 And it didn't work out with this Neely guy and Daniel Perry for probably obvious reasons, maybe some non-obvious reasons.

00:39:50.640 But it's so weird that the regime and the people who rule us, that is to say, are so actively looking to create a race war.

00:39:58.300 I don't think that last I checked, race wars, any wars in general, but race wars don't benefit a society.

00:40:05.220 But they want to do it for the reasons we outlined earlier.

00:40:07.820 It benefits them and so on.

00:40:09.260 But I would never have thought growing up that in 2023 America, race war was on the bingo card.

00:40:18.020 It just it just strikes me as so bizarre.

00:40:19.960 Like I wake up sometimes.

00:40:21.160 I always sleep like a baby because, you know, I have no conscience.

00:40:23.900 But when I wake up, I'm like, you know, how the hell did we get to the point where race war was a legitimate possibility in America? 0.87

00:40:31.520 It's just I mean, I guess this is my theme for today.

00:40:34.060 It's just so sad.

00:40:35.000 It really is.

00:40:35.540 Yeah, I mean, when you're constantly playing Rwanda radio in hopes of jamming up your political, you know, point power, then what other thing is going to come of it?

00:40:45.680 I know.

00:40:47.340 Well, but unlike Rwanda radio, I mean, I certainly hope we don't see a real race war. 0.96

00:40:52.600 But a real race war in America is not going to be that long.

00:40:56.200 It's going to end poorly for the side that's initiating it.

00:40:59.460 So, you know, I hope we don't see that because we need to come back to some stability in America.

00:41:04.120 But they certainly don't seem interested in that.

00:41:06.580 Yeah, it's absolute insanity.

00:41:08.440 And I think it's, you know, it's interesting.

00:41:11.480 My buddy, Jesse Kelly, he was saying, you know, when when Trump got indicted, OK, if they indict one of your guys like this, like you've got to you've got to indict one of theirs.

00:41:21.240 Like it doesn't matter.

00:41:22.220 Just like they're just making up charges.

00:41:23.680 If this is how the game is played, how you've you've got to play it back.

00:41:27.640 And of course, everyone goes, oh, how could you say that?

00:41:29.960 It's like, well, where are we, guys?

00:41:31.840 Like, what time is it?

00:41:33.180 It's very again, it's the theme of it.

00:41:36.160 Like I said, the theme of this podcast is it's very sad.

00:41:38.220 It's very difficult.

00:41:39.240 But it's it's also just like there's no value in pretending like this isn't what these people are doing.

00:41:44.180 But they'll keep doing it.

00:41:45.280 And this is when I when I say the reach of the left historically exceeds its grasp.

00:41:51.160 You see this all the time.

00:41:52.840 And, for example, in the Spanish Civil War, what actually kicked off the Spanish Civil War wasn't the massive killing of clergy and burning of churches and all these other things that the left was engaging in.

00:42:04.080 But rather where where they decided they were going to kill more or less the equivalent of the speaker of the house and dump his body in the street.

00:42:12.560 I mean, some people point people won't put up with these kind of things.

00:42:16.720 And it's not typically because the masses rise up.

00:42:19.200 It's because the some set of people who are, if not part of the elites, part of a potential counter elite.

00:42:26.660 And that gets into the whole elite theory question.

00:42:28.820 Realize that it's not going to be to their benefit to allow this to continue any further.

00:42:33.460 So in America, the people who are being focused on are the deplorables and then people who are support anybody who might potentially actually push back on left power, which really right now is only Trump and maybe maybe DeSantis.

00:42:50.200 I mean, nobody else elected president or elected any political office will actually threaten left power.

00:42:55.540 So until people start pushing back on those things, as Jesse Kelly suggested, nothing is going to happen except more of the same with an increasing level of ferocity from the left.

00:43:07.480 So does this where people like Elon Musk come in?

00:43:10.420 Is this where we start to see kind of that counter elite who then looks at this and says, look, I can't put people on Mars if you're going to destroy society like this?

00:43:19.540 Right. Like the whether whether he feels he's got, you know, traditional conservative viewpoints or whatever is kind of immaterial.

00:43:27.620 He can't the society he needs to function for him to do a higher order stuff stops existing if this continues.

00:43:33.860 And so even if he doesn't care about one particular aspect of the culture war or something, though, apparently he does particularly since it seems like what happened with his child and transgenderism.

00:43:43.120 But even if he isn't particularly invested in all of the culture war, it becomes essential for these people like I've got to put a stop to this.

00:43:50.000 I've got to I've got to go beyond where I was just, you know, taking pot chats at the regime.

00:43:55.140 And I've got to start thinking about how we can actually secure power, because if I don't arrest this revolution, then all of the plans that I have are completely out the window.

00:44:03.960 Yes. I mean, Musk would not create a society that's identical to the society that he would create would create.

00:44:10.580 But fundamentally, it wouldn't be all that different because Musk, in order to achieve his ambitions, has to live in the real world.

00:44:18.920 He is a reality based individual. And the very nature of the left is to deny reality across the board in order in the service of this imagined utopia.

00:44:28.480 And I've said for several years now that Musk will either have to destroy the regime or the regime will destroy him.

00:44:34.940 And people make the argument, well, the regime is going to co-op Musk and so on and so forth.

00:44:39.280 But it's impossible for the regime to co-opt Musk in a meaningful way because the strictures that unreality places upon Musk make it impossible for him to reach his goal.

00:44:50.520 So unless he dials back his goals to be just like this rich dude who shoots off some rockets for profit and people kind of treat you differently depending upon whether he's viewed as being politically compliant or not.

00:45:04.620 I don't think I doubt if that's the life that he wants, not that Musk calls me up and tells me what the life he wants is.

00:45:10.540 But it seems that that is more so than some of the other historical events where military men, for example, decide they've had enough of this leftist regime because it's coming for them.

00:45:23.440 You can much more easily see a technologist, and Musk is kind of the obvious candidate, becoming the center around which reality based people coalesce, whether they're people who think the same way as Hayward or not.

00:45:37.560 I mean, they could be atheist technologists, but still keenly interested in advancing human flourishing, the flourishing of men and women in a remade America.

00:45:49.360 We can worry about the details later. Getting rid of the current regime is the number one goal.

00:45:57.220 And I think Musk is probably very hard to predict these things, obviously, but Musk, I have a lot of faith in Musk is the wrong term.

00:46:07.000 But I see the seeds of some potential major changes coalescing around Musk.

00:46:13.900 But maybe it's just the, you know, three beers I had the other night. Who knows?

00:46:17.080 Well, and if not Musk, then someone else who might be in that position, though, he does seem like the only the figure who is in the best position at the moment.

00:46:26.300 He has both the, you know, the social clout. He has the technological ability and he has the money power to kind of create a fulcrum.

00:46:35.880 He doesn't really have the charisma, the rhetorical ability.

00:46:38.120 So, you know, you could imagine someone coming out of out of nowhere, someone I mean, obviously, any number of scenarios is possible.

00:46:46.500 But say somebody comes up with some incredible new invention that makes him super rich, like fusion, tabletop fusion.

00:46:54.200 And that guy just decides to take the world by storm. And he has other characteristics that fit with that.

00:47:00.160 I mean, who's to say? But the thing I try to tell my children all the time is that the despite the kind of hustle and bustle of so-called news and the hype machine,

00:47:15.500 really, we haven't seen anything notable happen in the past 10 or 15 years or longer, maybe a couple of decades.

00:47:21.660 But someday history will return. And because that's the way it goes into real history is coming for us.

00:47:28.940 Well, how soon that is, I don't know. But despite the fact that we're told all the time that all these things are so important,

00:47:36.020 the latest outrage is something we now need to talk about. None of this is real history.

00:47:40.200 I mean, not even the Russia-Ukraine war is real history, at least not yet.

00:47:43.400 I mean, these things are all kind of ticky-tack. The real history is coming. And frankly, I'm kind of bored.

00:47:49.060 So despite the fact that they may kill me, I'd like the real history to come back, please.

00:47:55.320 Yeah, no, Fukuyama will eventually be proven wrong. But yeah, I think you're right that for all the things we're told that are the end of the world are the most important, pressing thing right now.

00:48:07.580 There are far more consequential things that will reemerge, that have to reemerge. Liberalism can only...

00:48:13.400 Pave over those things for so long. And we're seeing all of them kind of break...

00:48:17.740 The chutes break up through the cracked pavement at the moment. 0.65

00:48:20.780 Yes.

00:48:22.000 Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, exciting times ahead.

00:48:28.180 So that said, we've got some questions of the people stacking up here.

00:48:32.440 Charles, but before we go look at what they have to say, where can people find your excellent work?

00:48:37.420 I write at theworthyhouse.com, where I write a variety of pieces, including a lot of book reviews, which are really my theories masquerading as book reviews for my pet political philosophy, my pet political applied philosophy called foundationalism.

00:48:53.760 I also show up on Twitter occasionally, despite the fact that we discussed my somewhat viral tweet.

00:48:59.600 I'm not actually a hot takes guy on Twitter, but I do show up on Twitter occasionally.

00:49:04.720 But if you want to read my stuff, there are several hundred articles at theworthyhouse.com.

00:49:10.100 We got to set you up with some...

00:49:11.600 Yes, perfect.

00:49:12.340 Yes.

00:49:12.600 And he also has the videos on YouTube where he narrates them, which is well worth your time.

00:49:17.680 I ended up listening to your one on discourses on Livy here recently.

00:49:22.120 So that was good.

00:49:23.260 But yeah, we'll have to set you up with some sign-tapping memes.

00:49:26.340 Yeah, we'll break you into the Twitter sphere there.

00:49:29.120 All right.

00:49:29.780 So let's take a look at our questions here, guys.

00:49:32.420 Our first one is from Johan Richardson for $5.

00:49:35.620 Thank you very much, sir.

00:49:37.240 Is the left even a useful identifier?

00:49:39.520 Is it targeted for expropriation, i.e. stealing, essentially a raider predatory parasite strategy?

00:49:47.680 Well, yes, in a sense that stealing is a constant throughout human history.

00:49:53.400 But I think that the nature of the left's political project requires a more formalized approach to theft than simply smash and grab, take the purse out of the car kind of theft.

00:50:07.760 For the reasons we identify, which in short, kind of boiling it down, are whipping up your myrmidons, your foot soldiers, acquiring value for your patronage network is our incorrectly identified the kind of goal.

00:50:21.240 I mean, not just taking the money, but redistributing it in order to gain political power and explaining why you haven't stolen enough yet.

00:50:30.080 You haven't eliminated enough people yet.

00:50:31.960 So a utopia hasn't arrived yet.

00:50:34.200 So while, yeah, I mean, sure, stealing is a human constant.

00:50:37.640 I think it's more formalized and ideologized by the left than simple smash and grabs.

00:50:43.760 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:50:44.600 And look, guys, I want you to understand something here.

00:50:47.180 What the left is doing is not new.

00:50:49.380 It's not novel.

00:50:50.800 This is not something that has been simply made up.

00:50:53.960 As Charles alluded to earlier, these are all strategies that are ancient.

00:50:58.380 These factionalism, you know, this expropriation.

00:51:02.260 This is all something that we've seen before and we'll see again.

00:51:05.680 These are functions of ruling parties and states.

00:51:09.240 The reason it looks as dire as it does to you right now is that power is fractured in the United States.

00:51:14.980 And there's a faction that wants to control the, you know, the state and its totality.

00:51:21.660 They need it for its operation.

00:51:24.060 And so they're going after all of their enemies to kind of liquidate anyone who would stand against them.

00:51:28.660 But again, we've seen this many times.

00:51:30.360 The state is always, in a way, parasitic.

00:51:32.880 But again, as Bertrand de Juvenal kind of says, you know, all kings begin as parasites, but at some point they gain a care.

00:51:40.120 They understand that it's worth investing in the people that they are parasites on instead of just burning it all down.

00:51:46.460 And that's when kind of the principle of the Rex arises, when they understand that it is better to care for those from whom they benefit rather than to simply take what they can now and burn it all down.

00:51:57.900 The reason that you're seeing what we're seeing now is there is no value in doing anything but burning it all down.

00:52:02.580 We've designed our system for exactly that purpose.

00:52:05.980 And so it's, you know, the things we're seeing, again, are not new.

00:52:09.280 They're not inventions of the left.

00:52:11.040 They didn't just come up with them.

00:52:12.080 Progressives didn't cook them up in a strategic meeting 10 years ago.

00:52:15.880 This is something that we would expect and see as kind of the evolution of regimes move forward when leftists do this kind of thing, as Charles pointed out.

00:52:26.200 When leftists are in charge, when they're in this revolutionary paradigm, this is what we expect to see.

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00:52:35.880 They rage at God for daring to give them life.

00:52:38.200 Yes, as always, leftism is a revolt against God and existence.

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00:52:48.280 Again, thank you very much.

00:52:49.800 Charles and Oren, do you think we will see wide scale persecution of the right before the collapse?

00:52:56.260 Based 0909.

00:52:58.220 Yeah, you're in it.

00:52:59.800 Congratulations.

00:53:00.860 You're living through it.

00:53:02.040 There's this weird thing conservatives do where they don't think that this is happening until the train shows up to move them to the camps.

00:53:09.080 They don't realize that the modern state brings the camps to you.

00:53:12.540 So you are already in a scenario where you can't speak your mind.

00:53:16.860 You're already in a scenario where the government is slowly extracting all of your wealth and the ability of you to have families and to have children and to kind of live a meaningful life.

00:53:27.300 And they're doing it slowly by bit by bit so that nobody gets crazy about it.

00:53:32.940 So this is already happening.

00:53:34.520 Like right wingers can't say basic things.

00:53:36.480 Try holding a position in any major company while having, say, a traditional view on marriage or basic biological, biological, correct understanding of gender.

00:53:47.060 You can't do that.

00:53:48.560 That's because you're already in the middle of wide scale persecution of the right.

00:53:53.360 I totally agree with that.

00:53:54.680 But I think we're also already in the collapse.

00:53:58.500 That is, I'm an accelerationist catastrophist, but I'm not necessarily predicting we all end up in Mad Max.

00:54:06.760 You hinted at this with the cracks in the pavement comment earlier, but there's a very strong argument made that America is already in a slow motion collapse.

00:54:18.180 And the things that we tolerate now is kind of, oh, well, that's just normal.

00:54:22.440 Fifteen years ago, people have been like, what the hell?

00:54:24.580 This is a catastrophe.

00:54:26.000 Whether that's infrastructure collapse of various kinds, the whole Wuhan plague kind of thing.

00:54:31.520 There are many things you can point to as elements of collapse.

00:54:37.000 I maintain that fracture of a society is a step function.

00:54:41.080 That is, one day you're not fractured and the next day you are.

00:54:43.780 But the collapse in terms of the decay can go on in kind of a linear fashion for some time before it has the impact of fracture.

00:54:51.800 Yeah, I think that's really important for people to understand.

00:54:54.460 Try going back to your random NRA member in 2005 and explaining to them COVID and what happened there.

00:55:06.320 Obviously, that can't happen in the country.

00:55:07.960 We have a Second Amendment, right? 0.53

00:55:09.320 There's just no way the government would ever be able to secure this.

00:55:11.860 We all know that's how the Constitution works.

00:55:13.900 Blah, blah, blah.

00:55:14.460 Today, that happened.

00:55:16.460 Everyone knows it's just kind of the reality moving forward.

00:55:19.400 Everyone kind of feels like the government will just feel ready to do that again the next time they kind of work it up.

00:55:24.460 And so it's one of those things where, like you said, this stuff does occur slowly.

00:55:31.140 The decline does happen slowly.

00:55:33.840 Eventually, at some point, there might be an official crack up of the United States or its political structure.

00:55:39.320 But it's kind of amazing what people will live through and kind of not realize it because it's just been restated in a new way and described as the norm.

00:55:47.640 Yep.

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00:55:50.780 Thank you very much, sir.

00:55:51.640 Do you think the reason we have not officially entered your session is because the regime doesn't want opposition to its funding in the Ukraine war?

00:56:00.200 What do you think, Charles?

00:56:00.920 Are they cooking the books just to-

00:56:02.400 Well, I think it's broader than that.

00:56:03.980 I mean, I think everything is fake, right?

00:56:07.180 Sure.

00:56:07.320 So when you start from the premise that everything is fake, that doesn't tell you specifically how it's fake because they spend an awful lot of time concealing how things are fake.

00:56:17.220 And the United States, because of historical accidents, has the ability to do things like print infinite money without having the consequences that would normally follow on that.

00:56:27.960 So I don't think there's any necessary link between declaring a recession or not declaring a recession and the money the regime spends on wastes on things like the war in Ukraine.

00:56:39.800 But it's definitely true, more broadly speaking, that everything the government tells us about the economy should be presumed to be a lie and concealing something that they may not even understand themselves, but papering over whatever cracks are appearing probably frequently behind the scenes.

00:57:00.140 And eventually those things are going to show.

00:57:02.860 But to be fair, I would have predicted they would have showed up before here.

00:57:06.060 Like, for example, immediately after the Wuhan plague with all the money printing and paying people to do nothing doesn't seem to have had any effect in people's ability to live.

00:57:16.260 And that goes back to the earlier question, which was people are only going to not take it anymore when they feel like their lives are no longer are they need to improve their situation.

00:57:30.140 And while it's true that there's an enormous amount of death of despair and opioid addicts and people who are never seen, who are in terrible shape, most of America gets their fake jobs or their fake money, watches their very real Netflix, eats too much food, injects themselves with Ozempic to get rid of the results of that food, lives a kind of soft, cosseted, risk-free existence.

00:57:57.560 And until that changes, people aren't going to strike back against the regime's oppression.

00:58:06.100 And the same thing is true for the economy.

00:58:08.120 Until people feel economic ill effects on themselves, the government lies don't really affect them.

00:58:14.180 And you also have to remember, guys, that at some point, like, no matter how stupid the lie is, if you continue to live by it long enough, eventually you embody it as truth.

00:58:22.760 And so, like, our regime understands, like, in theory, like, somewhere someone can do math and they understand that, like, selling subprime mortgages to people based on their race again is a mistake.

00:58:36.880 Like, they understand that that collapsed the economy last time.

00:58:40.260 And if you do it again, you'll get the same story.

00:58:41.940 Like, in theory, they get that.

00:58:43.400 But in reality, they've bought into this.

00:58:45.920 And the fact that, like, the political utility of it becomes too much and the idea that they'll be able to get away with this time probably works.

00:58:53.240 And actually, don't we actually believe at the end of the day that really these people should have these things and that we can, you know, kind of sustain this hit infinitely?

00:59:01.020 Like, at some point, they really do buy into this and they don't even know how to sort their own lies from reality.

00:59:06.500 And so, you'll see them embrace solutions that are increasingly ridiculous because they don't even know how to sort their own BS anymore.

00:59:14.760 And this is one of the reasons we're going to win because they're stupid.

00:59:18.960 And if you think about it, I mean, I was saying to someone the other day that I racked my brain and there's not a single person in kind of public life today within the regime, whether that's a politician or a judge or whatever, that I don't have total contempt for.

00:59:34.120 And some of these people are vast majority of just plain stupid.

00:59:37.220 Some are bright but blinded by ideology.

00:59:40.700 But the endpoints are the same.

00:59:42.040 They do stupid things and eventually that means we're going to win.

00:59:45.600 Let us hope.

00:59:46.580 All right.

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00:59:48.380 We live in a clockwork orange.

00:59:50.160 Yes.

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00:59:54.100 All right.

00:59:54.620 So, I think we got through everybody there.

00:59:56.560 Let me just double check before we go.

00:59:59.080 All right, guys.

01:00:00.000 So, it looks like that's all of the questions of the people.

01:00:02.960 Thank you, everybody, for showing up.

01:00:04.920 Lots of great questions.

01:00:06.040 Lots of great discussion.

01:00:07.500 I want to, again, thank Charles Haywood for coming by.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 22, 2023

Blaming the Kulaks ｜ Charles Haywood ｜ 5⧸22⧸23

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