The Auron MacIntyre Show - Bleeding Transas ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.660 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.580 I've got a great stream with one of your favorite guests,

00:00:36.260 which I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:39.880 So, as I'm sure many of you are very well aware,

00:00:43.720 there have been a number of violent incidents involving people

00:00:47.660 who are taken by trans ideology.

00:00:50.960 And the response by our government, by our media,

00:00:54.880 by our social institutions in general,

00:00:57.360 has been rather shocking to many people.

00:01:00.740 Looking at what's happening and trying to understand why it seems like

00:01:05.540 not only there's no condemnation of the violence,

00:01:08.820 but there seems to be a direct glorification and reward for the groups involved.

00:01:15.560 And so, I wanted to talk about that a little bit.

00:01:18.120 And the Prudentialist wrote a great piece here recently that appeared on the Old Glory Club

00:01:23.540 for which this stream is titled.

00:01:25.520 So, you can credit him for the title.

00:01:27.980 That one's not original to me.

00:01:29.860 But he put it in a really good historical context.

00:01:32.360 And so, I thought it would be really important to have him on

00:01:34.300 so we can kind of look deeper into what's going on,

00:01:36.960 how these events are developed,

00:01:38.180 and kind of how to place them and understand them in American history.

00:01:41.780 So, Prudentialist, thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:43.200 Well, thank you for having me on again, Oren.

00:01:45.200 It's always a pleasure.

00:01:46.840 Absolutely. Yeah, I really love this piece.

00:01:49.060 People should go check out the Old Glory Club in general over at the Substack

00:01:53.040 and specifically the Prudentialist piece by this name.

00:01:56.180 It's very good.

00:01:57.300 We're going to get into the events that kind of spurred this piece

00:02:01.100 and what has come or what has happened since

00:02:03.980 because, believe it or not, even more has happened since the piece came out.

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00:03:37.520 Now, I know a lot of people probably looked at the events of Nashville,

00:03:42.620 and they thought to themselves,

00:03:44.880 this is crazy because at a time like this,

00:03:49.260 of course, we'd like there to be a moment of kind of just human mourning,

00:03:53.020 a moment for people to look at the sorrow,

00:03:56.820 to look at what's happening in our society,

00:03:59.920 to look at the difficult situation and just tragedy that has occurred for the families,

00:04:05.300 and to just kind of feel that for a moment.

00:04:08.960 But unfortunately, we don't live in that world,

00:04:11.800 and our media immediately launched into a propaganda campaign,

00:04:15.760 not on behalf, as is so often,

00:04:18.780 of the people who were killed in Nashville,

00:04:22.540 but instead they seemed to be just completely obsessed

00:04:26.360 with the appropriate pronouns with which to address a mass murderer.

00:04:32.700 I know we're both in kind of the business of being cynical

00:04:34.960 about our kind of our current media landscape and culture in general,

00:04:38.860 but were you shocked to see the way that the media immediately responded to this?

00:04:43.680 I think it's been three or four times I've been on Oren,

00:04:46.220 and I think every time I've said this phrase that I'm not surprised.

00:04:49.780 I think that is the fact that we are sort of in the business of cynicism

00:04:52.940 with our respects to the media and the press,

00:04:56.380 but when you look at sort of how the left is operating,

00:04:59.920 especially with this administration,

00:05:01.300 I mean, we've spent years now talking about wokeism

00:05:04.400 or more recently before that intersectionality

00:05:07.180 and the idea of social justice and social progress,

00:05:10.820 and that they're all sort of unified under this system

00:05:14.700 of what I could only describe the sort of progressive fusionism

00:05:18.900 where every sort of disparate progressive issue,

00:05:21.400 whether that be environmentalism, animal rights, race relations, environmentalism,

00:05:27.160 they all kind of come together to understand their place

00:05:30.420 in this progressive hierarchy to sort of change society

00:05:33.580 for what they seem to be this sort of utopian, killiastic vision.

00:05:37.940 And so for the media to make a martyr out of this killer

00:05:42.380 is not surprising considering that they've done it many times before in the past,

00:05:47.440 whether that's over the issues of the Black Lives Matter riots in 2020

00:05:51.320 or more earlier than that when it came to the issues

00:05:55.660 that happened under Barack Obama's administration

00:05:57.720 with those issues as well.

00:05:59.100 So I'm not surprised that they had made the pronouns the central issue

00:06:02.920 because this has been the large push out of this administration.

00:06:06.740 I mean, just a few months ago, we had, you know,

00:06:09.180 President Biden sitting there with Dylan Mulvaney,

00:06:12.460 you know, saying, bless your heart,

00:06:13.980 and sort of that Southern exasperated way of, you know,

00:06:17.560 acknowledging that that person was entering their 264th day of girlhood or whatever.

00:06:23.380 So, you know, the actual martyrs of this,

00:06:25.720 and we shouldn't forget that,

00:06:26.880 were the six people that were killed in that school,

00:06:30.220 including three children under the age of 10.

00:06:33.140 So to see the media, you know, double down on this is heartbreaking

00:06:36.860 because obviously, you know, in the past,

00:06:39.120 any time that there's been a school shooting,

00:06:41.040 you know, we do mourn the victims.

00:06:42.560 We try and give them their proper due respects and attention to grieve.

00:06:45.540 But in this instance, no, they went full steam ahead

00:06:48.420 with the Transgender Day of Visibility.

00:06:50.520 Our previously scheduled event called the Transgender Day of Vengeance

00:06:54.140 went forward that weekend, despite the events that had happened.

00:06:58.120 So it has really been a mask off moment for this

00:07:00.980 latest iteration of progressivism,

00:07:03.700 and that it should be a wake up call to you and your audience

00:07:07.240 that this is sort of a full steam ahead,

00:07:09.460 and that this is state sanctioned violence against ordinary people.

00:07:12.840 Yeah, and I think that's really important.

00:07:15.640 That's difficult to say for people.

00:07:17.140 I think it's very difficult for people to understand or grasp that.

00:07:20.860 But there's really no other way to understand what's happening here.

00:07:26.000 I think a lot of people are getting closer to understanding

00:07:30.620 with something like Black Lives Matter or Antifa.

00:07:33.160 When they're allowed to riot for, you know, weeks or months on end,

00:07:37.960 they can see maybe the loose connection for them with, you know, the state sanction.

00:07:44.460 Okay, the state's not stepping on this,

00:07:47.220 so it must be allowing it in some degree.

00:07:50.900 You know, I think that's still hard for some people,

00:07:53.120 but more people are starting to make that connection.

00:07:56.780 But a school shooting is a whole other matter, I think, for some people,

00:08:01.380 because the target is, of course, the most innocent among us.

00:08:05.820 There's no, it's not the looting of a target, which shouldn't be okay either.

00:08:10.200 But, you know, it's sometimes hard to feel sympathy

00:08:12.880 as someone carries a big screen television out of Megacorp,

00:08:16.380 who hates my guts anyway, and, you know,

00:08:18.380 was more than willing to offshore your job

00:08:20.820 and push, you know, transgender bathrooms on your kids or whatever anyway.

00:08:26.900 It's hard to feel too bad for a corporation like that or Starbucks or something.

00:08:33.100 But obviously, this school is targeted,

00:08:37.020 and it's not just a school, it's a Christian school.

00:08:39.380 And that's going to be even more important,

00:08:40.980 as we're going to see here in a moment.

00:08:43.080 Because the rhetoric surrounding this right away,

00:08:48.300 like there was no lag time in between.

00:08:51.320 You know, normally, when you have a leftist who's a shooter,

00:08:54.900 there's a shell game that's played, right?

00:08:57.260 When it's a right-winger, it's the rhetoric.

00:08:59.820 It's the rhetoric that caused this.

00:09:01.500 It's the hateful ideology.

00:09:02.740 It's the radicalization.

00:09:04.280 This is what drove the shooter.

00:09:06.200 And when it's a left-winger or someone who's in the left-wing coalition,

00:09:09.300 it's a gun issue, right?

00:09:10.740 We forget about the, it's not the identity.

00:09:13.360 It's not the rhetoric.

00:09:14.400 It's not the ideology.

00:09:15.720 It's a gun issue, and we have to worry about guns.

00:09:17.760 That's a pretty reliable, you know, strategy for the left.

00:09:21.540 They play it pretty often.

00:09:23.040 But here, they didn't do that.

00:09:24.080 They didn't even for a moment pretend like the shooting was not about the ideology or identity

00:09:30.180 of the shooter.

00:09:31.300 In fact, they made that the central point.

00:09:34.300 And their immediate response was, well, if states like Tennessee weren't banning the

00:09:40.160 mutilation of children and the teaching of gender ideology to kindergartners, then none

00:09:45.620 of this would have happened.

00:09:46.540 It was immediately a rush to blame the victim and no attempt to disassociate the ideology or the

00:09:54.680 identity from the violence, but instead to make it very clear that these Christians had it coming

00:10:01.540 because they opposed kind of this new state-sanctioned ideology.

00:10:06.760 Absolutely.

00:10:08.540 And I think the thing that is really important for us to understand is that they will ignore

00:10:13.220 the rhetoric, right, when it comes to usually, they'll ignore rhetoric when it comes to, say,

00:10:16.920 a left-wing shooter or a left-wing terrorist that is ostensibly on their side because in this day

00:10:23.020 and age, progressives and leftists and liberals do not have any enemies to their left.

00:10:27.880 They'll just try and step back, usually, when the optics for such a thing happens like this.

00:10:33.240 But for this instance, they didn't.

00:10:34.980 And this is where, similarly with the issues of abortion, you would see language emerge

00:10:39.400 that we haven't seen before, like a forced birth.

00:10:42.460 Or now, more recently, we've seen that language be used for a forced adolescence or a forced

00:10:47.220 puberty.

00:10:48.160 And this reinforces, I think, the outstanding kind of political mythology that exists in the

00:10:54.080 progressive mindset, which is, of course, in regards to stopping, quote-unquote, genocide

00:10:59.660 from happening.

00:11:00.500 You see this quite often when it comes to the issue of transgenderism.

00:11:03.920 We want to protect our children from being indoctrinated with an ideology that is associated

00:11:08.160 with mental illness, a lifelong dependency on neurochemical-altering substances, things that

00:11:13.800 will forever change your body, wreck your bone density and your mental state, which oftentimes

00:11:17.560 can lead to suicide.

00:11:19.080 But to them, that's an equivalent to genocide.

00:11:21.280 And, you know, we're both fans of Dr. Paul Gottfried.

00:11:25.080 I think his most recent book about anti-fascism plots this out very well.

00:11:29.000 This is that, you know, if you were to ask these people, you know, what are the Tennessee

00:11:32.760 state legislature doing when they're banning this?

00:11:34.660 They call it fascism.

00:11:36.020 And they will have no problem labeling you a Nazi when you want to defend your children

00:11:39.760 from literal indoctrination and abuse by these people.

00:11:44.580 And so for them, and under the idea of never again, we can't let fascism be on the rise

00:11:50.200 of the United States.

00:11:51.020 They're filled with this cultural memory of, you know, it could never happen here, so

00:11:55.280 we must take action.

00:11:57.040 So for us, it may sound like, oh, wow, they're really holding our children hostage when they

00:12:01.780 talk about threatening more violence or that the actions of the Tennessee state legislature,

00:12:06.660 Oklahoma, or various other states, you know, they say, well, if you didn't do these things,

00:12:10.960 we wouldn't be killing your children.

00:12:12.220 But for them, they see this as an act of self-defense to defend their right to exist.

00:12:17.620 So we have two totally different political mythologies that are coming to clash.

00:12:22.260 For us, the basic stents of civilization, which is, you know, a mom and a dad, children,

00:12:27.400 family, faith, religion, things that keep society going as they have been for as long as recorded

00:12:32.700 history has told us.

00:12:34.060 And for them, it's the inverse of that.

00:12:36.520 We're literally seeing, you know, no pun intended, but we're seeing the transvaluation of values

00:12:42.060 here, as Nietzsche would put it here.

00:12:43.720 And so you're seeing individuals that have no family or family that they don't like because

00:12:48.340 they disagree with them.

00:12:50.080 Worse, they've got people whose parents abdicated responsibility, whether willingly or unwillingly,

00:12:55.180 and let their children be raised on the internet where they're the most vulnerable to this stuff.

00:13:00.000 I mean, just look at a place like Reddit.

00:13:01.780 They have a subreddit called egg IRL, egg being a term they use to describe people that

00:13:06.360 are trans and they just don't know it yet.

00:13:08.680 Literally a place that encourages the idea of grooming these individuals into the worst

00:13:14.080 kind of bodily decisions possible.

00:13:16.420 And so in doing this, we're watching the government, the state, the thing that more or less is the

00:13:22.060 center of all power, which helps tell us where the culture is going to go, where the elites

00:13:26.400 are going to be raised in the next generation to lead this country, are saying, no, we do want

00:13:31.760 a class of people that will target children, that will be essentially a eunuch class that

00:13:39.240 this civilization, America's civilization has reinvented this, as we've seen in India and

00:13:44.640 China throughout antiquity.

00:13:46.400 And now it's here to stay apparently in America, lest we do something about it.

00:13:50.460 Yeah.

00:13:51.200 I have this vague memory of, I don't know, eight months ago when the left was vehemently denying

00:13:57.720 that this stuff was targeting children.

00:13:59.600 I don't know if you remember, but there was the Boston's Children's Hospital and they

00:14:04.860 were accusing libs of TikTok of lying about them and the procedures they do and trying

00:14:09.480 to incite, you know, something, some reaction about them saying, of course, these operations

00:14:14.600 never happen.

00:14:15.720 Of course, these aren't targeting youth.

00:14:17.340 Of course, none of this is aimed at juveniles.

00:14:21.700 And people like you and I and many in our sphere warned everybody like this is coming.

00:14:27.440 This is already happening.

00:14:28.420 This is the goal.

00:14:29.880 This is the inevitable conclusion of their ideology and the direction they're moving.

00:14:37.300 And it will come.

00:14:38.600 And, you know, we got a lot of pushback.

00:14:40.460 You're crazy.

00:14:41.400 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:14:42.780 There's only, you know, don't be ridiculous.

00:14:44.520 Don't be hyperbolic.

00:14:45.180 It makes you look silly.

00:14:46.360 You know, all these things.

00:14:47.380 And eight months later, the president of the United States and secretary of health and,

00:14:55.040 you know, all of these hospitals are now openly saying we have to do this to children.

00:15:01.340 We have to.

00:15:02.340 It's not enough.

00:15:02.920 It's not enough that this option exists somewhere for adults, which, by the way, wouldn't be

00:15:07.460 okay.

00:15:07.800 To be clear for everybody, that should also not be an option.

00:15:12.180 But not only does that have to be an option, it must be pushed onto children.

00:15:17.220 And this is the social engineering that I think you're right that Paul Gottfried understands

00:15:22.980 as anti-fascism and the therapeutic state.

00:15:25.780 And it's because we've erected a system that is so against nature, that is fighting natural

00:15:32.160 hierarchies and inverting them in such a severe way that even a small disagreement could kind

00:15:39.420 of bring the whole thing down.

00:15:40.900 The left is so artificial.

00:15:42.320 The world they've created is so fake.

00:15:44.460 The hierarchy they've assembled is so unbalanced that any crack in their power could just shatter

00:15:51.720 their ability to kind of keep this thing suspended against gravity and all of the forces of nature

00:15:56.360 that otherwise would bring it down.

00:15:58.440 And so they really do see even the smallest question or restriction on the most extreme

00:16:03.160 parts of their project as an existential threat, because it really is at the end of the day.

00:16:07.860 Yeah, I mean, you could literally say that this is what Carl Schmitt would call a state

00:16:11.840 of emergency, and this is where you would need that state of emergency to decide the exception

00:16:16.820 and to show us who Sovereign is.

00:16:18.140 We're experiencing right now a crisis of federal Republican democracy right before our eyes.

00:16:24.280 And for this issue, the idea of abolishing the idea that we have two sexes, that gender

00:16:31.440 is a spectrum, that we must abolish the idea that people have to go through adolescence as

00:16:36.500 they are biologically designed to and created by God to do so, has illustrated that if you

00:16:42.380 are going to fight back against this, you've created a state of emergency for the existence

00:16:46.860 of an entire class of people.

00:16:48.940 And the state is making it very clear, this administration and those that support it are

00:16:53.440 making it very clear that the state of exception will be answered with violence against those

00:16:58.060 that cease to do it.

00:16:59.200 So whether it was earlier at the beginning of this year with a literal insurrection of the

00:17:05.460 Oklahoma state capitol with the legislature that wanted to ban hormone therapy, that's even

00:17:11.240 a, it's such a terrible word, you know, poison on these children.

00:17:15.160 And the same thing with recently with Tennessee, where they would storm these capitals to try

00:17:19.000 and stop the law and have people openly advocate for, and if not to absolutely take up arms to

00:17:24.540 do so.

00:17:25.400 These individuals in the spirit of abolition, you know, the abolishing of hierarchy, the

00:17:30.280 abolishing of biology, the abolishing of nature and the creation in God's image, all that

00:17:35.320 these people have done is sort of embrace this John Brown attitude that they have to reign

00:17:39.440 things, they have to start an insurrection.

00:17:41.920 I know that many of our friends have called these things, you know, trannuary six or

00:17:45.420 transurrection.

00:17:46.760 And it's nice to do those things for clicks and to get people's attention and to play

00:17:50.200 on words, even with my title.

00:17:51.700 But we can't lose sight of the fact that what is very much at stake here is the abolition

00:17:56.580 of the family, the destruction of all things that come natural to us, a man and a woman

00:18:01.860 making a child for the purpose of family and carrying on our lineage and our heritage

00:18:06.680 and our history, and instead for the total opposite of that.

00:18:11.420 And this government immediately after Nashville, and even more recently with what's happened

00:18:16.240 with Tennessee state legislature, is indicative that our normal politics, right, where we no

00:18:23.040 longer club each other or we disagree.

00:18:24.980 We try traditionally in our liberal system to, you know, settle things out like men at

00:18:29.940 the ballot box of the best ideas when and some time ago, the idea of, you know, debate

00:18:35.940 me or let's have a free open idea of discussion illustrates that that marketplace of ideas is

00:18:41.560 incredibly rigged by those in power and has culture to do so.

00:18:45.500 And that conservatives and especially those in the Republican Party and those within power

00:18:50.700 or money or influence need to recognize that they're coming after them very quickly.

00:18:56.040 I mean, you mentioned those things just eight months ago.

00:18:57.960 I remember the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir back in like 2021 talking about how they're

00:19:03.040 coming for your children, or even just yesterday, according to Axios on the 9th, that Biden is,

00:19:09.620 you know, putting out a digital strategy of an army of social media influencers in the midst

00:19:14.500 of this recent discussion over the Restrict Act.

00:19:17.480 But I think that that can also be used to push things like transgender ideology or legislation

00:19:22.640 that would help support these things on a taxpayer basis, very similarly how to the average American

00:19:28.420 taxpayer pays like, you know, some $30,000 plus a year to, you know, subsidize, you know,

00:19:35.020 pre-exposure anaphylaxis for other parts of the LGBT community.

00:19:39.940 Yeah, I think it's really important that people be careful with the term insurrectionist like you

00:19:44.940 were talking about, because I do think that is a term the left use for a particular reason.

00:19:48.200 I see a lot of people trying to adopt it to kind of kind of dunk on, you know, or kind of show that

00:19:55.160 again, the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to what happened in the state capitals. I mean,

00:20:01.000 it's very clear that the state capitals were stormed by protesters, that they were fighting

00:20:05.140 with police, that this would have landed any Donald Trump supporter into on an FBI watch list and jail

00:20:11.340 time. Obviously, we're operating on two entirely different legal systems. At this point,

00:20:17.840 that's not anything new for people who are here. But I just want to encourage people to be careful

00:20:22.700 with adopting the left's terms, because, of course, the violence and the actions of these trans

00:20:30.500 protesters and activists are terrible. And they do show the stark contrast of who has political rights

00:20:40.740 in the United States of America, and that they don't exist on both sides of the political spectrum.

00:20:45.920 But just just be aware of the language you're using, because it was selected

00:20:50.080 by the left for a reason. It's truly amazing, I think, for a lot of people, how the two of the black

00:21:00.000 representatives who were expelled from this legislature due to their action during the storming

00:21:05.640 of the Tennessee legislature were immediately praised as religious heroes, civil rights leaders,

00:21:11.680 of course, where this is all directly plugged into the civil rights narrative, the civil rights

00:21:17.520 revolution. David Hogg was talking about, it already feels like history is being made. And it's like,

00:21:23.360 yeah, because it's supposed to. This is manufactured for your benefit. You are the exact

00:21:29.920 audience for this propaganda. But the fact that none of the families of the slain,

00:21:36.000 none of the police officers involved in protecting the other children and staff of that school,

00:21:43.760 none of them were brought to the White House. None of them were, you know, met support from the

00:21:50.560 president or the vice president. But the representatives that were expelled for their gross actions and

00:21:58.560 violations of the rules were immediately honored by the left for their behavior. And this is, of course,

00:22:06.640 true of the wider reaction to this. Madonna immediately raised money for the LGBT community,

00:22:12.400 went to, is going to Nashville to raise the money, but just spitting directly onto the graves of dead

00:22:17.920 children. Just completely insulting. Like, it's very clear what the purposes of this was. You know,

00:22:24.560 there's, there's like a die-in, a trans die-in at one of these state campfalls. And if any Christian

00:22:29.440 church had done that, it would be very clear what the intention would. It would be to mock

00:22:32.800 the victims. No Christian church, of course, would do that in America at this point, for sure. But

00:22:39.520 obviously that was the direct intention. And I think it's one thing to understand that these people

00:22:45.760 hate you. It's another thing to, to watch them explicitly praise and encourage people who are

00:22:52.320 celebrating violence against, against innocent children.

00:22:56.960 Yeah. And I think that this should also be a necessary wake-up call for any Christian in

00:23:01.200 the United States, regardless of denomination, regardless of whether you live in a red state,

00:23:05.920 a city, or a small town like myself, that persecution of Christians is back on the table.

00:23:11.840 And that, you know, the history of the church is, you know, watered with the blood of countless

00:23:16.880 martyrs throughout history. And if that means that we're having to deal with that in the United States,

00:23:21.200 it looks like that's very much the case, that they're going to celebrate it, that they're going

00:23:24.720 to mock people who were six, nine years old to, to do that. And that they're comfortable with it

00:23:31.520 because, you know, you hear this all the time, whether it's by the quote unquote sort of socialist

00:23:37.040 or democratic socialist YouTubers that say that, you know, there's only acceptable targets or bad

00:23:42.960 targets in this instance. And even that kind of delineation has gone away that no, really with the

00:23:48.560 actions that had taken place here are going to go about and do it. And what makes this even more

00:23:53.840 dangerous and what makes this rather a daunting thing to talk about is that, you know, we've had

00:23:58.240 people like Tucker Carlson and we've had others about the issue of demographics in this country

00:24:02.560 with respect to immigration. We have not talked about the social contagion, a literal, a mind virus,

00:24:09.120 if you will, on this sort of transgender ideology. Right before the 2022 midterms last year,

00:24:15.280 Politico released a report from the Pew Research Center and the Human Rights Campaign discussing

00:24:21.040 the idea of the growth of LGBT voters. And they said by 2030, it'll be one in seven. And by 2040,

00:24:29.600 one in five, despite the absolute demographic numbers of how you can get that many people on

00:24:35.360 that sort of spectrum of beliefs or identities is another thing. But it illustrates that this thing

00:24:40.560 is pernicious in the way that it influences your children, your family. You see this in media,

00:24:45.920 you see this especially in social media and TikTok. I mean, there are people that libs of TikTok have

00:24:50.640 called out for literally trafficking drugs to children in order to do so. They're very adamant

00:24:56.400 about what they're going after and that they're going to lionize these people as heroes the same way

00:25:02.480 that they have lionized countless other quote unquote activists and terrorists like Angela Davis and the

00:25:08.240 rest. And so at the end of the day, when these people laugh, like the left laugh saying, oh,

00:25:13.280 that the right, you know, the conservatives can't define wokeness. I mean, it's very simple what wokeness

00:25:18.320 is. It is anti-civilization and anti-human. Yeah. And very directly, because I think Christianity is a

00:25:27.760 central part of our civilization. It is directly anti-Christian. And this has been a theme that has been made

00:25:36.400 very clear. Again, the shooter targeted a Christian school. But right after this, we had to hear from

00:25:45.280 the White House and other sources about how trans youth are going to be fierce and fight back. And

00:25:51.200 that's pretty shocking language in the face of what just happened. They're still stacking bodies

00:25:57.280 because of this movement. And we're going to talk about how fierce it is and how it's going to fight

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00:26:37.520 People in that community can listen to that rhetoric and they can respond to those dog whistles

00:26:42.240 because there was another shooter who was planning to go on a massacre in Colorado Springs. They had

00:26:50.080 targeted a middle school and, apparently, churches for this. I don't think that those

00:26:56.240 targets are any form of coincidence. I think, as you said, you know, Christianity gives a resistance

00:27:04.720 to this that few other things can. It provides an understanding of the natural hierarchy and the

00:27:09.360 natural good that is far more resistant than anything else in our culture to kind of the forces that are

00:27:16.560 assaulting it. And there's a reason that they're being specifically targeted by this violence.

00:27:22.400 And again, the fact that a second shooter came right on the heels of all of this rhetoric and all

00:27:29.680 of this praise and all of this encouragement. I mean, the protesters in Nashville were saying

00:27:34.880 seven victims, not six. They're specifically going out of their way to include the shooter themselves

00:27:42.000 who murdered children as a victim of this crime. And when you see that there's really, again,

00:27:48.880 there's just no other way to understand it. Then this rhetoric is used intentionally.

00:27:54.800 This praise is used intentionally. This ideology is pushed intentionally and the people involved are

00:28:01.840 not very careful about why they're doing this. They're not, they're not really hedging their bets

00:28:07.040 anymore. They're not really being, being very, uh, you know, they're, they're not really obfuscating

00:28:12.080 their reasoning as to why they're pushing it. They're putting it out from out front and making

00:28:16.400 it very clear opposite opposition to any part of this agenda is inviting violence from it. And the state

00:28:23.280 will lavish praise on those who engage in activism and support of this stuff.

00:28:29.360 Yeah, absolutely. And we're going to see more of it. I mean, the social media has been ablaze with

00:28:36.080 respects to advertising government officials. I mean, in the midst of all of this, right, you,

00:28:42.000 you literally had, and this is the inversion of what we're dealing with here is that you had Drew

00:28:46.000 Barrymore on her knees in front of a man, Dylan Mulvaney, right? Like, you know, any other time that

00:28:51.920 you would imagine a woman on her knees in front of a man evokes powerful, you know, rather perverse

00:28:57.840 imagery for what is to come up. And that really illustrates what we're dealing with here is that a man

00:29:02.880 playing the minstrel show of a woman, you know, is now standing right in front of a woman who's on

00:29:09.200 her knees before him. And the same way now that you saw with, with Bud Light and doing their recent

00:29:14.560 365 days celebrating this individual to a point where there's Facebook advertising saying, you know,

00:29:20.800 you know, Budweiser before they went gay, you know, with respects to their marketing. And so

00:29:25.600 it's totalizing. And the only thing that that shooter is a victim of is abuse, which, you know,

00:29:32.400 had incorporated an ideology and a culture that told them that no, their fellow man is actually

00:29:37.840 worth killing because of some made up idea of existence and nature. And that's going to be

00:29:43.600 what it is going forward. I mean, we talk about anarcho tyranny, the famous concept coined by Sam

00:29:48.640 Francis decades ago. Well, it's no longer anarcho tyranny. This is very much state sponsored action,

00:29:54.480 and that this is endorsed by the state. And it's now a low intensity conflict. We're no longer

00:29:59.760 meddling it out or battling it out at the ballot box. If you stand in opposition to this based on

00:30:05.420 your own values, the fact that you have skin in the game because you have young children,

00:30:09.300 or that you're a Christian or any other faith that goes against this, they will have no problem

00:30:15.380 saying that you're a part of the problem and that violence is the only way to meddle this out.

00:30:19.660 Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, we look at what the Biden education department is doing.

00:30:26.460 They're planning to use Title IX, which might be one of the most abusive pieces of

00:30:36.620 legal architecture in the United States, to push the fact that states are not allowed to ban

00:30:44.220 any kind of men playing in women's sports. They're not allowed to... By the way, guys,

00:30:52.060 there's not biological men or women. There's just men and women that means the same thing.

00:30:56.140 But no reason to hedge your language there. But they're going out of their way to basically make

00:31:02.700 it clear that any funding from the federal government can be denied based on the fact that you don't let

00:31:09.900 men beat up women or you don't let boys beat up girls in any given sport for your education system.

00:31:17.660 And immediately after this, we see the swimmer Riley Gaines attacked by a mob, like literally

00:31:23.900 struck, held captive. They're demanding money to let her leave. She's functionally kidnapped and who

00:31:32.220 knows what kind of legal charges will come. But it seems very clear. Again, no big leftist announcements.

00:31:38.300 Not a lot of people saying this is too far. We're forming mobs, attacking female athletes. And of

00:31:43.980 course, none of this, no hesitation from the administration saying, hey guys, maybe we shouldn't

00:31:50.300 be pushing these policies if they're literally justifying direct violence against female athletes.

00:31:56.380 But that's obviously, like you're saying, that's the plan at this point. It's very clear.

00:32:01.020 Now, you link this to another time in our history, one that's pretty ominous in many ways,

00:32:07.420 but I think is very valuable. That's kind of where the title of the stream came from and the title of

00:32:12.780 your piece came from. Can you talk a little bit about kind of the pre-Civil War United States,

00:32:19.420 the buildup of the slave states, bleeding Kansas and how that kind of relates to the situation we're in

00:32:23.900 now? Absolutely. So yeah, the inspiration for the article and the title was that this sort of action by

00:32:32.540 the shooter and the recent storming of capitals has been about political balance, control,

00:32:38.220 and representation, very similar to our antebellum history in the United States with respects to

00:32:45.020 a long struggle inside the 1850s in the Kansas territory known as Bleeding Kansas. You don't need

00:32:53.020 to know too much about it other than the fact that it was a prelude of the oncoming violence that would

00:32:57.740 cost roughly 600,000 lives. But it had free state settlers and supporters, radical abolitionists

00:33:05.900 against slavery, as well as slave state settlers and border ruffians coming over from Missouri to

00:33:12.540 support the cause. That way, whoever had the most political control over the Kansas territory,

00:33:18.540 when it set up its constitution and it set up its government system, that it would either be a free

00:33:23.980 state or a slave state, which has been the, prior to the Civil War, the longest history of balance

00:33:29.820 between how many slave states are there represented in the Senate and how many free states are represented

00:33:34.380 in the Senate, trying to maintain a healthy and hardy balance. Now, during this time in the 1850s,

00:33:40.620 only about, according, your records may vary, but roughly 59 to 100 people were killed and associated

00:33:47.180 with these clashes. It's a very low-intensity conflict. Not many people would die in comparison to

00:33:52.220 the 600,000 lives lost in the war between the states. But in this instance, these ideas,

00:33:58.540 the institution of slavery, in this instance, the institution to mutilate children, are now being

00:34:04.620 fought out over weapons. You have groups, for example, in New England called Rainbow Reload,

00:34:11.100 which are advocating straw purchases, which are against the law, mind you, so that individuals that

00:34:17.580 identify as trans or LGBT or whatever, usually associated by the law of averages with mental

00:34:23.820 illnesses, to make sure that they have guns. That their whole idea is to make fascists afraid

00:34:29.260 again. So by simply advocating that I want my child to grow up in the sex that they were born in,

00:34:35.820 not only labels you as a fascist, but it puts you on the side of the Nazis, it puts you on the side of

00:34:40.620 the confederacy, it puts you on the side of even the British crown back in the Revolutionary War.

00:34:46.300 So for a crowd of individuals that have no love for the American history or its country or its people,

00:34:53.020 they sure love it when they can talk about their side, the good guys, quote unquote, unleashing

00:34:59.180 untold amounts of violence against their political enemies. And so whether it's burning presses and the

00:35:07.500 newspapers that are out there in this instance, in today's context, disabling people from promoting

00:35:13.020 their material, getting them banned off Twitter or threatening their lives, as we've seen with

00:35:17.740 numerous activists or with Riley Gaines, and then to see people in the university system or the

00:35:22.780 government advocate for it through their intermediaries in the press, or even the university

00:35:27.820 president saying that they're proud of the activists bravery in standing. And so, and I mean,

00:35:33.340 even now you've seen on Twitter, people saying, you know, screw around and find out when it comes to,

00:35:38.700 you know, trying to ban child mutilation and the ideology of mutilation, the social programming

00:35:44.620 that's been around, whether it's from the White House, the civil rights legislation that we sort of

00:35:50.140 build the stuff off of with the concept of disparate impact, or even more nefariously, the groups like

00:35:55.580 the Tavistock Institute. So, you know, this piece is to reflect a parallel in our history where deeply held

00:36:02.540 political ideas, whether that's slavery and abolition or today in 2023, it's the idea that,

00:36:08.620 you know, you can be anything that you want with just a couple of cuts under the knife and a little

00:36:13.660 bit of hormone therapy for the rest of your life. That's what we're dealing with. And that was the

00:36:18.540 inspiration for the article is that low intensity political violence has happened before in this

00:36:23.340 country. And if the Nashville shooting, the recent events in state capitals and universities are any

00:36:28.620 indication, it's well and alive in America today. Yeah. And the reason I found your comparison so

00:36:36.460 compelling is, you know, during that time, the manipulation of the democratic process was the

00:36:44.140 really key focus for a lot of people. Everyone kind of understood a storm was on the horizon and

00:36:50.140 they didn't know exactly what it looks like, but they knew that capturing every bit of loose power

00:36:55.180 was absolutely essential. And so people were willing to move to entirely different states

00:37:00.620 in hopes of, you know, basically in participating in that low grade conflict that you're talking about,

00:37:07.900 low intensity conflict, and also, you know, manipulating the democratic process of the system

00:37:13.740 in hopes of bringing down a victory for their preferred group. And we're not quite to the point where

00:37:19.660 people are rushing to other states just for that purpose. But we are seeing, I think, in many ways,

00:37:25.020 the great sort in this country, we do see a lot of people moving, you know, out of the Northeast

00:37:31.660 because of COVID or California because of COVID restrictions, and people moving out of the South

00:37:37.260 because of maybe an abortion restriction. And so we're seeing a lot of, you know, people now having

00:37:44.380 to vote with their feet when it comes to their political ideology because the gulf in the culture

00:37:52.300 has become so large that staying inside a state with an alternative ideology to your own really

00:38:00.140 feels like being oppressed, feels like you cannot exist in that community anymore. And as we see the

00:38:07.980 states become bluer or redder, and we see the acceleration of legislation that is basically

00:38:17.260 fundamentally opposed to what the other side wants, I think we're only going to see people inside those

00:38:23.740 states who are still left and have not moved become more extreme in their actions in an attempt to

00:38:30.220 influence what's going on there. And that's a very, it's a very scary place to be for a lot of people

00:38:37.100 because we're, we're putting ourselves more and more in situations where people feel like they

00:38:42.220 simply cannot exist inside a particular state. And unfortunately, while it would be great if

00:38:48.940 everyone just moved to their preferred state and we could just kind of do our own thing and federalism

00:38:53.340 would actually work, it's very clear from the actions of someone like the Biden administration that

00:38:57.260 they're going to use everything, Title IX, civil rights law, anything that they can get their hands on

00:39:02.300 to make sure that their ideology reigns supreme in even inside of states that have no interest

00:39:08.220 in participating. And the Democratic will be will be entirely subverted through kind of this process of

00:39:16.060 kind of cracking the ability of states to function independently if they don't get on board with

00:39:21.740 this. I would agree with that wholeheartedly. And the other thing that is really important for people

00:39:27.420 to understand is that you can vote with your feet and you can flee a major metropolitan area that's

00:39:33.900 got a crime problem, homeless encampments and drugs everywhere where the police aren't allowed to do

00:39:38.940 anything. The problem, however, is that ideology doesn't care about geography. I live in a place where

00:39:45.820 people can ride their horses to their local high school and have no problem getting around and literally

00:39:50.860 look like something out of a country western film. But that doesn't stop them from opening their mouths and

00:39:55.660 saying the latest sort of trends that you would see on YouTube, TikTok and Twitter.

00:40:00.460 Ideology is a very pernicious thing. And if you control the levers of power and the procedural

00:40:05.020 manipulation to get a desired result, whether it be Title IX, dear colleague letters, government funding

00:40:11.340 through the Department of Education, or hiring a new digital strategy to have TikTok influencers,

00:40:16.700 sub-stackers and tweeters out there telling you that this is the only way to live,

00:40:21.740 then you aren't safe by the nature of fleeing away to a red state or a part of the, you know,

00:40:27.820 the boonies. It will eventually come for you. And this is the problem that the right and conservatives

00:40:34.060 or really anyone that stands against this, you know, abolition of childhood, this abolition of

00:40:40.700 childhood innocence and biological reality has to understand is that, you know, it's like you've said all the

00:40:48.140 time, Oren, on Twitter and on your sub-stack and on the show, it says that, you know, the side that wants

00:40:53.340 to be left alone will always lose to the side that wants to win. And right now, the people that want to win

00:40:58.780 are the people that want to literally mutilate and transition your children without your consent.

00:41:04.940 Yeah, it was just, there was, I think it was like a Washington Post story, and they were talking about

00:41:09.180 how they had had staffers watch 1100 episodes of Tucker Carlson so they could show, you know, how

00:41:16.780 all his conspiracy theories and debunk him. And I was just thinking to myself, you know, say what

00:41:21.020 you want about the left. They understand what it takes to win. Those people, not only will they,

00:41:25.900 will they watch that stuff, not only will they watch like, you know, a thousand episodes of something

00:41:29.820 they'll hate, and not only will the left pay them to do it, people will crawl over broken glass for

00:41:35.820 the honor of having the jobs in which they do that. The, you know, journalism is still

00:41:40.140 a surprisingly competitive field, despite all of the terrible things about it, terrible pay and

00:41:44.860 everything else about it, because the left is so ideological, ideologically committed to victory,

00:41:50.780 that they will literally do anything and fund anything for victory. And I think it's just wild that

00:41:56.540 people kind of don't grasp how, how extreme some of them have become in that pursuit. I mean,

00:42:03.260 to the point of, of hiding in red states, you know, we looked at just what happened with Texas.

00:42:08.940 And, uh, you know, uh, in Austin, uh, a BLM protester was shot by someone who was in a car

00:42:15.900 because the protester had an AK 47 at low ready, you know, trying to open the window. And the guy's like,

00:42:21.500 uh, yeah, no, I prefer you not kill me here. And that guy got convicted of murder. Now, hopefully it

00:42:27.100 looks like Greg Abbott is actually been kind of spurred to action and might actually be able to

00:42:32.540 pardon this individual. But the, the idea that you're simply going to hide out in a red state

00:42:37.740 and everything will be fine. It's very clear that even in states that are seen as pretty red though,

00:42:42.220 I understand Texas, not necessarily as red as people think it is, but, but that, that strategy

00:42:48.620 alone is simply not safe when it comes to the ability of the left to kind of manipulate the legal

00:42:53.580 system and make sure that even in some of the red states, you have blue cities where 12 jurors will

00:42:59.820 happily convict someone simply due to their ideology. Yeah. I mean, Travis County has no

00:43:04.620 rule of law, only the politics of that county, and it is heavily progressive. Now I'm glad that

00:43:10.140 Greg Abbott is doing something. He's a little constitutionally limited on what he can do,

00:43:13.820 as he said in his press statement, but it does illustrate that even if you flee, um,

00:43:18.060 the cities are still not politically your friend at all. And you have to be incredibly careful of what

00:43:22.540 you're dealing with. And they know this and they have no problem convicting you and they have no

00:43:27.740 problem telling you time and time again, that no, you can't defend yourself. The only acceptable way

00:43:33.260 out for you in this political situation is to submit or in more likely in many cases, as we've seen on

00:43:39.100 this issue is to lose your life, um, and be, you know, spat upon at your grave. And I mean, this just goes

00:43:46.300 back to a long history of how, you know, the, the concept of cultivation theory of what we see on,

00:43:53.020 on television and in popular media and in our authorities that we cultivate that and that

00:43:58.380 becomes part of our culture. I mean, we went from the last episode of the original run of

00:44:03.420 will and grace. And in less than a decade, you had gay marriage legalized and you had, I am jazz

00:44:09.100 appearing on TLC and things have exploded since then. You know, the slippery slope is the

00:44:14.700 unabashed champion of American progress when it comes to this country, because we keep going

00:44:19.180 further down the gradient. And when that's the case, they're going to constantly take a look at

00:44:25.100 what they can do to expand their victories. Reading the room doesn't matter to them because

00:44:29.660 they have become emboldened not only by this ideology, but by those that wield the ideological

00:44:35.980 levers of power and media access. You know, no one, you know, two years ago would have told you that,

00:44:41.980 you know, Dylan Mulvaney is going to be some major character. Just no one knew who they were.

00:44:45.900 Or even more recently, you know, they're, they're trying to come at it in the angle of religion

00:44:51.020 because progressivism in America takes on a particular Christian and Unitarian veneer

00:44:57.100 in order to take action. So you get an individual like Charles Clymer, who goes by the name Charlotte

00:45:03.260 in, as an advocate for an organization called Catholics for Choice saying that, you know, actually,

00:45:08.540 no, God made them trans, despite the fact that, you know, we'll just throw Deuteronomy 23,

00:45:13.740 one out the window about getting into the kingdom of heaven. But that's the instance that we're in

00:45:17.580 right now. This is that all aspects of this ideology are totalizing. And if power maintains

00:45:23.740 the control that it has, it will continue to do so for every person that has a progressive opinion.

00:45:29.180 And there are multiple studies that indicate that in the United States, if you have liberal views,

00:45:34.220 you're more likely to be swayed or to become a trans individual, because that's the way for a

00:45:39.660 lot of progressives to see themselves maintaining their status in hierarchy, especially for say,

00:45:45.580 you know, white liberals, they'll just simply say, Oh, I, I'm non binary, or I'm transgender in order to,

00:45:51.180 you know, not get packed on by the issues of race or other political progressive pet projects,

00:45:56.940 because that's how all encompassing this system is. This is, as you like to say,

00:46:01.500 this is the total state, it is totalizing all encompassing, and it will do what it takes in

00:46:07.020 order to win. Yeah, they really did need that way. White liberals who had buried themselves in the,

00:46:13.980 in the ideology had needed a way to kind of hack the system and get back to the top of the oppression

00:46:18.860 pyramid and LGBTQ prioritization has really made that something that given them that option that they

00:46:25.580 otherwise didn't have. But I wanted to ask you one more thing before we go to the questions of the

00:46:30.220 people. I did a thread a few days ago, that kind of went wide on Twitter. And I was pointing out the,

00:46:37.500 you know, the kick the dog until a bite strategy. And it's very clear to me that this is something

00:46:42.460 the left is doing, where, you know, you kick the dog, you kick the dog, and then when it finally bites

00:46:49.180 in an attempt to defend itself, you shoot it and, you know, you have justified, you know, look,

00:46:53.420 it's violent, it's a mad dog, I had to put it down. And it seems very clear to me that the left is so

00:47:00.220 brazen with this stuff. And they're encouraging this stuff. And they're praising this stuff, because

00:47:04.780 they're desperately hoping to provoke a reaction that gets them the new trans George Floyd that

00:47:10.700 gets them another summer of love that gets them a January 6 that allows them to deploy the security

00:47:16.700 state against their political enemies that allows them to collapse what's left of state autonomy,

00:47:23.740 and destroy the ability of states to protect children from this ideology.

00:47:27.980 I want to, a couple people, you know, there's some responses to that one, do you think that's true?

00:47:33.900 Two, do you think it's conscious? Well, I guess we'll start with that. Do you think it's,

00:47:38.220 do you think that that is a strategy that they're deploying? And if so, do you think it's something

00:47:43.020 they're doing consciously? Or is just a natural progression of the situation we're in?

00:47:48.860 Well, I think it's a strategy that they've happily used before. I mean, any time that there has been a

00:47:54.620 self defense like situation that has taken place, whether it's, of course, more recently with Mr. Perry,

00:48:00.700 or throughout the history of say, you know, dealing with Black Lives Matter protesters, or,

00:48:05.660 I mean, really, this does kind of kick off all the way back to like Zimmerman and that sort of case.

00:48:10.620 And they love it when you, you know, defend yourself, because they'll throw the book at you,

00:48:14.860 despite the fact that you have on paper a right to do so, which is to defend yourself. And so

00:48:19.980 I think that they would love for more and more action to take place so that they can say,

00:48:25.260 see how radical these MAGA extremists are, we need to deploy all powers of the, you know,

00:48:31.500 federal security state in order to defend the country and preserve democracy. And we see that in

00:48:36.300 a lot of ways already, whether it's the FBI having sort of a incel terror watch list,

00:48:41.500 that if you tweet out the words based and red pilled, you know, you're already on somebody's

00:48:45.260 list. And I think that they consciously do it. And they egg you on because they know on their side,

00:48:51.340 they have the full power and backing of the United States government, specifically the federal

00:48:56.220 government, and by most happenstances, the popular culture in the media. So anytime that you go out

00:49:01.900 there, they they're going to be like, see, you're just like, you know, pop culture, bad guy number,

00:49:06.940 you know, 2767, right? It's the reason why all Christians nowadays in popular media and television

00:49:13.980 are depicted as the bad guy, despite being, you know, the opposite of a bad guy in real life.

00:49:19.580 And this is where we're at now. And so I do think in a lot of ways, they would love for the dog to be

00:49:24.460 kicked so it could bite and like an ATF agent, they can just shoot the dog and move on with their business.

00:49:29.180 On the other hand, I do think that if that were to happen, you know, they're going to go after

00:49:35.900 individual cases where it was clearly justified for self-defense or whatever they're doing. And

00:49:41.180 that'll be the way forward. And as I like to say quite often on Twitter, server rules prevent me

00:49:46.140 from saying what I'd like to say. So I think that the strategy of kicking the dog until the bites has

00:49:51.900 been a very classic one by this government. Yeah. And specifically, when you look at something like

00:49:56.460 the George Zimmerman case, I mean, think about the way the media treated that when it first came out.

00:50:00.380 Oh, it's everything they wanted. There's almost an orgiastic delight when the Zimmerman case came

00:50:05.020 out because, oh, this, you know, this guy is going to be, you know, some crazy white guy. He's probably

00:50:09.260 got some, some history of Christian extremism, you know, being anti, anti-abortion, a gun nut,

00:50:15.740 you know, or whatever. And, and, oh, this is everything we need to kind of push our agenda. The

00:50:20.460 president called him, you know, his, you know, basically it's my child, you know, blah, blah,

00:50:24.220 blah. And then kind of as the story kind of slowly unraveled, you see, well, actually it turns out

00:50:29.260 George Zimmerman is not really white. He's, he's a white Hispanic, which sure. And then actually it

00:50:35.260 turns out he might have had, uh, African ancestry in his, you know, in his background as well. And

00:50:41.580 actually this looks a lot like, uh, you know, perhaps, you know, two minorities, you know, engaging in

00:50:48.220 violence against each other. Oh, and by the way, it turns out his head was pummeled against the

00:50:52.300 ground. He's bleeding in his scalp and just all these parts of the story come out and they're

00:50:56.700 really inconvenient to the narrative. And even in that instance where there are so many things that

00:51:01.500 push back against the narrative, still, if you ask most people what they remember about George

00:51:05.340 Zimmerman, he's some white guy who shot a black kid for being black. Right. And so it's amazing that

00:51:10.540 even when all of the facts about the, uh, about the case can contradict the narrative, eventually the

00:51:16.060 thing that's immediately announced is that, that, that first mover advantage of controlling all of

00:51:22.220 the mainstream media really allows the left to submit any story where it is. We saw the same thing

00:51:28.060 with like January 6th, you know, where, where the, you know, we put out a storyline. That's the one

00:51:32.860 that, that most people understand. And even if the details and me eventually unravel parts of the

00:51:38.700 narrative, they'll be heard and understood and believed by smaller and smaller percentages of the

00:51:44.460 population. So we still kind of control the basics of this. And this is why I told people to stay

00:51:49.820 frosty and to kind of just avoid bad situations. I know a lot of people are like, oh, okay, then you

00:51:56.140 just don't do anything. That's not what I'm saying. But, but I think Jesse Kelly had a good point.

00:52:00.700 You know, recently he said, you watch the left protest and you watch the left change things with

00:52:07.020 protests. We all understand that that's not really how it works, but, but you watch the left take these

00:52:12.460 basically super, uh, or, or these, these, uh, non-constitutional actions, these illegal actions

00:52:19.100 and be successful with them. And you want to do that. And it's like watching Mike Tyson knock

00:52:24.220 somebody out in 10 seconds and saying, I want to do that without like doing any of the training and

00:52:28.940 any of the roadwork and any of the weightlifting and not doing like the thousands and thousands and

00:52:34.300 thousands of hours of grinding and practice, put yourself in that position. You just aren't in that

00:52:38.540 position right now. And before you can be in any position where you have effective, uh, resistance

00:52:45.660 to what the left is doing, we got to put in the work. You got to put in the work of, uh, politically,

00:52:51.660 you got to put in the work personally. You have to be in a situation where you're strengthening your

00:52:56.940 community. You're strengthening your control over your local area. You're making sure that your sheriff

00:53:03.100 is friendly to your, your cause your school board is friendly to your cause. You're in an area where

00:53:08.860 you have that kind of leverage because the left controls these areas. And if you go to them and

00:53:15.740 you take the same actions that the left take in them, you will be destroyed because they have a

00:53:21.260 political, they have a two tiered justice system. You do not have control of it. And so I think it's just

00:53:26.060 really important for people to understand that, uh, the things the left are doing now. And the reason

00:53:31.740 they're getting away from them is they put in so much work way up ahead of this. They're, they're,

00:53:36.220 they're, they're many decades ahead of you, which you're looking at as a multi-generational problem

00:53:41.020 and you pushing back in one scenario will only be used and manipulated, uh, by the media as a way to

00:53:50.620 kind of wreck you. Not that the media is not going to lie about you anyway. They obviously are,

00:53:54.380 but just be aware that you have to build institutions and communities and political power

00:54:00.860 before you can really push back into this stuff. It's not the other way around. You don't push

00:54:04.700 back and then you get the power, you, you get the power and then it gives you the opportunity to

00:54:09.260 oppose the stuff in a more effective way. And so I'm not saying don't oppose this stuff. I'm saying

00:54:14.620 oppose in a way that is intelligent and is powerful, is multi-generational, that matters, that is effective

00:54:22.780 rather than it's something that feels good in the moment or feels, you know, that gives you a burst of

00:54:27.500 dopamine of, of, of political heroin and then immediately drops you into a terrible situation.

00:54:32.940 That I think that's, that's really key. I don't know what your thoughts are about that,

00:54:35.900 but I just want to leave people with that. No, I mean, that's a, those were all very good points.

00:54:39.980 And I think that, you know, as we talk about what the history of, you know, our, our political action,

00:54:44.300 that even though people like, you know, Kelly or John Derbyshire were right when it came to the issues

00:54:50.140 of like Zimmerman and the others, that people will look at what you had just laid out in the last,

00:54:54.780 well, how do you do that? And I think that one of the first things that we also need to recognize

00:54:59.020 as conservatives is on the right or whatever you want to call yourself is the same issue that our

00:55:03.740 friends over on the good old boys podcast talk about, which is patronage. The left has a well

00:55:08.780 integrated, well-funded patronage network to ensure that people who are rich, wealthy, and progressive

00:55:14.940 can fund the most ugly, dysgenic people on earth to commit wanton violence and acts of terrorism

00:55:21.260 against people like you. Uh, the right doesn't necessarily have this because we're all kind of

00:55:25.820 all out for ourselves. We don't particularly collectivize. We don't have organizations or

00:55:29.580 things like that. And so being friendly with your judge, being friendly with your sheriff,

00:55:33.820 being friendly with just an ordinary group of people that would be able to clear a roadway from

00:55:39.180 like trees or things being blocked in the way of it, or how to take out fires relatively quickly

00:55:44.140 are going to help you in the long run. If you have something that you can provide,

00:55:48.060 whether that's financial support, political connections, or resources to make sure that

00:55:53.180 people who are struggling because they were doxxed or quit there were fired from their job because they

00:55:57.900 held the politically incorrect opinions, that gives you a substantial amount of power in ways that many

00:56:04.380 people on the right have forgotten how to leverage. People should hearken back to the people of Tammany

00:56:10.620 Hall and Boss Tweed and recognize how politics operated back then, because it still operates very well

00:56:15.900 today, just with social media, Cash App and Venmo, and you know, the levers of power and government,

00:56:21.100 both state and federal. And the right needs to recognize that power does create itself with

00:56:27.340 opportunity. And the opportunity for the right right now is to create networks of patronage,

00:56:32.300 political support, and to make sure that you're not alone. I mean, Oren and I are right now just

00:56:37.100 talking on the internet right now, but that doesn't stop us from having opportunities to meet,

00:56:41.740 host conferences, and things like that. I mean, one of the aspects of, say, the Old Glory Club,

00:56:46.060 as we talked about in this article, is that we want to be able to support people in the future who,

00:56:51.180 like that firefighter in Virginia, was fired for simply donating to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defense

00:56:57.980 fund. Those are the things that need to happen for the right to maintain not just some semblance of

00:57:03.580 power, but more importantly, anti-fragility against a state that wants you broke, dead, or transitioned.

00:57:12.700 Yeah, it's really essential for people to grasp that dependency breeds loyalty, and that this

00:57:20.700 network and reciprocal relationship of patron and client is what builds a force that can actually do

00:57:29.020 good. And you have to be willing to make that investment personally and otherwise. There are so

00:57:39.100 many people on the right, big donors and such, who are happy to pour tens of millions of dollars into

00:57:46.780 campaigns, thinking that that's going to be the big change, but won't put even a small amount of money

00:57:52.780 into making sure that there's an effective strategy for people to find jobs or people to network or

00:57:59.820 people to be protected if they do something like you're talking about where they donate to the wrong

00:58:05.900 person. They're not willing to play the small ball, and because they're not willing to play the small

00:58:10.620 ball, they can't even imagine a scenario in which they would get to do anything else. And so I really

00:58:15.580 think it's important for people to have that mindset of building, understanding that the short-term wins

00:58:21.660 won't come, but the long-term wins will happen if you put the short-term work in now, or the long-term

00:58:27.900 work in now. All right guys, we're going to move over to the questions of the people, but of course before

00:58:31.980 we do that, Mr. Prudentialist, please share where people can find all of your excellent work.

00:58:36.860 Sure. Once again, Oren, thank you for having me on. I look forward to answering questions. You can find

00:58:40.460 most of my work on YouTube, Twitter, Substack, and any other streaming platform with videos and blog posts,

00:58:47.580 but all of them can be conveniently found at a great little website called findmyfriends,

00:58:52.060 f-r-e-n-s dot net slash the Prudentialist. You'll find access to where all of my work is,

00:58:57.580 what I'm currently up to, and what I have been doing, including being here on Oren Show.

00:59:03.020 Yeah, speaking of alternative institutions and little things that you don't think make a big

00:59:07.100 difference, but do our friend, our mutual friend, Charlemagne created findmyfriends when the link

00:59:13.660 tree started getting ideological and banning people for that. And that's a safe place where creators

00:59:19.020 can, you know, share their work and not have to worry about ideological cancellation. So just small

00:59:24.860 things like that, guys, things that don't seem like a big deal, maybe only take you an afternoon or

00:59:28.860 something can matter. And so that's just a, another good example of something small, but something that

00:59:34.940 can make a difference in the long term, even though it's, it's just one in many stones in,

00:59:40.220 in a building that has to be built. All right, Creeper Weirdo here for $2. It's not happening,

00:59:45.580 but, but if it was, it would be good. Yes. If anyone has not read the Celebration Parallax

00:59:51.580 essay by Michael Anton, you should of course do that immediately. It's a great essay. I believe

00:59:56.620 Skeptical Waves, shout out to Skeptical Waves, has it in audio form on his channel. So make sure

01:00:02.700 that you are checking that out. It is very insightful. Uh, Creeper Weirdo again here for

01:00:07.980 $5. You guys ever watch Read A Clockwork Orange? It hits a little different nowadays.

01:00:13.100 Odd that, yes, I've seen the movie though. I've never read Clockwork Orange. You ever read Clockwork

01:00:17.100 Orange? I have, and the book definitely hits a little different in 2023. For sure. Uh, let's see here.

01:00:25.100 Uh, Creeper Weirdo one more time. Thank you very much, sir. There's an FBI program teaching high

01:00:29.820 schoolers here in Oregon. Isn't that weird? Uh, yeah. Like the, the joke I made online is

01:00:36.140 there's a, there's a, uh, a bot, uh, I guess there's now an AI program and people were warning

01:00:41.900 about how AI might, uh, radicalize, uh, you know, youth online. And then my joke was FBI getting

01:00:48.140 automated out of a job by, uh, by AI, but yeah, no. Uh, let's see. Yeah. It doesn't, I'm not surprised

01:00:55.580 that, you know, we're teaching kids to glow so early. All right. Uh, Maddie Ice here for $10. I

01:01:02.540 keep seeing them talk about transgenocide. Is it possible that someone who had their penis

01:01:07.980 socially inferred perhaps a problem with accurate categorization? Uh, yeah, obviously, um, it's,

01:01:14.860 the rhetoric there is chosen specifically. It's obviously an accelerant. Um, this isn't true. It's

01:01:20.620 not even approaching true if you look at the numbers, uh, but it doesn't matter because once

01:01:26.860 the, uh, kind of, uh, rhetoric is out there and it's been embraced, then they can use it to drive

01:01:33.340 people who are obviously by definition, mentally unstable towards making even worse, uh, choices.

01:01:40.140 And, uh, that's something that unfortunately ends in a very predictable and a horrific way,

01:01:45.500 but it doesn't seem to be something that bothers those who are answering that rhetoric.

01:01:50.460 Uh, yeah, I would just reiterate Paul Gottfried's 2021 book, uh, anti-fascism,

01:01:56.940 of course of crusade, because that really does highlight that if you can label it in the imagery

01:02:01.820 of world war II and genocide, then you kind of have that moral carte blanche feeling of I can

01:02:07.900 attack and defend based on self-existence and bashing fascists heads in.

01:02:13.260 Yeah. This, this is so much of what's happening right now. It's always placed in this existential,

01:02:18.140 and this is where the Carl Schmitt gets scary. The, the, the friend enemy distinction on a very

01:02:21.980 real sense, you know, I've explained a lot of people see the friend enemy and they think it's

01:02:26.060 just, uh, like, Oh, friends, good enemies, bad. And yes it is. But, uh, the, the, but that's kind

01:02:31.020 of a very meme shallow level of understanding it. Carl Schmitt puts it, you know, uh, in, in far more

01:02:36.460 stark terms where the, the enemy is the alien, the, that which cannot be understood and cannot be,

01:02:42.780 uh, permitted because it, it threatens kind of the, the group. And it's very clear that, um, our regime

01:02:50.460 is, is couches everything. Like you said, in the rhetoric of anti-fascist, because the fascism is

01:02:55.820 the enemy. It is that which is alien and unimaginable and cannot be allowed to exist. There's a reason

01:03:02.220 they're calling everyone fascist at this point. There's a reason they move from racist to fascist.

01:03:06.700 And it's because they want to make it very clear. You don't have the right to exist. Like you, you,

01:03:11.100 you are the enemy, you are the outside, you are the alien and that which can be not be permitted

01:03:16.060 inside the political community. Uh, and so you must be removed from the political community. And when you

01:03:21.420 have a threat that that's real and that that's, that, that's, that is that existential, then you can

01:03:27.820 justify almost anything, which is why the, the, the, you know, pump and punch a Nazi meme with Richard

01:03:32.940 Spencer became such a thing on the left, right? Where, you know, uh, whatever the, the deep,

01:03:37.900 deep, deep faults of Richard Spencer, uh, obviously they, they were trying to normalize a particular

01:03:43.260 response, uh, and, and apply that understanding of people to everyone, uh, who might disagree with the

01:03:50.940 left. And they are trying to normalize, uh, violence against people pretty directly. And, uh,

01:03:57.260 I don't think there's at this point, any way to deny that that is, uh, something that has become

01:04:01.580 a key part of the leftist acceleration of the rhetoric. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is the,

01:04:07.820 the key goal. This is that in, in today's year of our Lord, 2023, that, you know, anything that gets

01:04:15.020 labeled fascist is given, you know, the permission by polite society, the media, the government, that

01:04:21.580 that is the only acceptable thing that you can wantonly murder, even if it's the furthest thing

01:04:26.620 from fascism on earth. Uh, Karen sour, thank you for your super chat, but I am going to avoid reading

01:04:33.740 it just out of an abundance of caution, but I appreciate your super chat. And then, uh, Holmes

01:04:41.900 goad here for $5. There's no more self-evident truth than what a woman is. Yeah. So that, I mean,

01:04:48.140 that's obviously, um, the, the, where we've gotten to where all of this is been deconstructed to where they

01:04:56.220 can't even understand this. And, you know, it's interesting. I've been told that, that liberalism

01:05:04.300 and wokeness don't have any kind of connection because liberalism is just this, uh, it's this

01:05:09.820 completely objective and rational understanding of human existence as where wokeness is like exactly

01:05:14.860 the opposite of that. But I think it's weird that if you went around and like at this point

01:05:19.820 spoke to plenty of anti-woke people, even they wouldn't be able to come to a complete consensus

01:05:24.620 on the definition of woman or the definition of marriage. And so I I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little

01:05:30.380 unsure if even our last generation of liberals has what it takes to kind of push back and, and, uh,

01:05:38.140 oppose this stuff. I think you kind of have to have a deeper grounding, something in tradition,

01:05:42.300 something in religion, something like Christianity or, or other traditions that provide you, uh, the

01:05:47.500 ability to truly stand on truth and understand the, the deep purposes and meanings of, uh,

01:05:54.380 these institutions and these definitions. It is amazing that the more we progress, the less able

01:06:00.300 we are to recognize something that any peasant in the 1300s could have totally grasped much, much easier.

01:06:07.100 Yeah. I mean, that's exactly what Nick Land wrote about in the dark enlightenment was this,

01:06:10.780 that the left loves dialectical games because that creates new opportunities for power.

01:06:14.940 Even if that means we lose those definitions for words.

01:06:17.740 Nick Landry Absolutely. And, uh, uh, Joshua Beebe here for $4.99.

01:06:23.660 Thank you very much. Tim Pool and, uh, Vivek Roshaswamy, I think is the way you say that correctly.

01:06:29.420 We're seriously discussing service guarantee citizenship thoughts. I mean, based, um, but also,

01:06:35.980 I don't know. So we're in this really weird scenario where, um, you know, normally I'm a huge fan.

01:06:42.540 Um, I, I grew up on military basis. I know the Prudentialists did too. My father was in the military.

01:06:48.140 Uh, most, many of my friends were service members have a deep respect for our, our lion class or

01:06:54.380 military class. Um, but we're also in a very weird place where, uh, our own military is now completely

01:07:02.460 woke and is a force kind of against the interests of the people of the United States. And so normally I

01:07:08.460 would say, yeah, that would be great because like, then, you know, uh, you know, we would have people

01:07:13.980 who participated in the defense of the state. We would have a more lion-esque, uh, you know, class

01:07:20.300 who would be, uh, you know, kind of filling that role. Uh, but at this point, I don't know, you know,

01:07:26.620 there, there's someone talking about how, oh, the, you know, this new generation is weak and we need a

01:07:30.460 draft so that everyone can, can kind of, uh, join the military and remember, you know, what it's like to,

01:07:35.980 to, to, to be a real man who serves the country. And I'm like, at this point, it feels like they'd

01:07:40.620 just be fighting for trans rights in Africa, right? Like, I don't, I don't know if that would

01:07:45.500 fix things, but, but I understand at least the, the, the impulse to the, uh, to the Heinlein, uh,

01:07:51.260 Heinlein starship troopers future. And, uh, there, there is some truth in that.

01:07:54.780 Yeah. I don't know how much of, uh, my values would be represented into the future progressive

01:08:01.580 recruiting ads of I'm doing my part of raising a pride flag somewhere in Uganda or Afghanistan.

01:08:09.180 I don't see the point in it. Uh, today's values of it. I mean, uh, everything that we've seen with,

01:08:15.260 with bureaucracy, whether it's in this country or say the United Kingdom, uh, that the civil service

01:08:20.380 will do everything in its hand to resist anything that moves rightward. And I would have no, uh,

01:08:25.740 desire to serve that. And my moral and religious teachings would tell me to resist that at all costs.

01:08:30.460 Yeah. Though I will say Heinlein, uh, very predictive in his, uh, uh, his, uh, idea that,

01:08:37.180 uh, democracy and the, uh, social engineers would destroy the civilization. So, uh, you know,

01:08:43.180 credit to, uh, Heinlein where it's due. Absolutely. All right, guys, I think we got through all of our

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