Boomer Eschatology | 3⧸20⧸24
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Where did the idea of a Christian America coincide with the end of the world come from? And how does it impact the Supreme Court today? In this episode, Oren explains where the idea came from and how it impacts us today.
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Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag.
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So, today I want to flesh out the idea of boomer eschatology.
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but even many who have joined kind of the MAGA movement.
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This idea that Christianity and America would coincide,
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that the cultural Christianity of the United States was eternal
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and would always continue until basically the end of the world.
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I want to dive into that, where that came from,
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I also want to take a quick look at the Supreme Court.
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especially one about free speech when it comes to social media.
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We have one Supreme Court justice in particular with very concerning thoughts on that.
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So, most of you probably know that the word eschatology
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is talking about the end of the world, kind of the end of days,
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And I think that, again, like I said, a lot of older conservatives linked in many ways
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the existence of a Christian America to basically the end of the world.
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If the Christian American empire, if the idea that America would be eternally around
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that could only coincide with the actual end of the world.
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They couldn't imagine a world where America was not the most dominant power,
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And so, those ideas, I think, are very linked to the way that a lot of older conservatives
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You know, a lot of us laugh at the idea of the end of history,
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the Francis Fukuyama neoliberal, all politics will be solved,
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and capitalism as kind of the only systems that will ever be in the world.
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They have beat out everyone else, they are eternal,
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and we don't have to have any conflicts over this anymore,
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we don't have to have any debates or discussions over this anymore.
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We've reached the end of history in the sense that
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any political or economic questions need to be solved anymore,
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and now everything will be purely procedural, right?
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These things will only be solved by working out the mathematical formulas,
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not by having any of those messy conflicts that used to dominate our understanding
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We kind of laugh at that now, looking at what has happened at the end of history.
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Francis Fukuyama himself has had to revise his own theory about the end of history
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These conflicts continued, it turned out humanity moved on
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and continued to have the problems and conflicts that it had previously,
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when it comes to American identity and American Christianity.
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and while they were often themselves Christian,
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and maybe even they fought back against the pushes to get rid of Christianity,
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they fought back against particular social issues.
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The general idea that America would have to embrace a Christian identity
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is something that they were still very uncomfortable with,
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in the way that there had been with many other Christian civilizations.
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They often didn't even think of America explicitly as a Christian nation.
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Maybe implicitly, there were the norms of Christianity
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If you ask them, should America have Christian values,
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But the idea that you needed to actively protect
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And I think this is why we're seeing a resurgence
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I've raised my own problems with that formulation.
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Again, I'm not largely against the propositions
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and a little bit of issue when it comes to defining
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what was the classic understanding of American identity
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why did boomers not fight for this Christian identity
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Why was that not at the forefront of their understanding?
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One, this is not all people from the baby boomer generation.
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who fought against this, who spoke out against this.
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they were more Christian probably than many generations.
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in fact, it's better for Christians to be persecuted.
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that language does not exist in the Constitution.
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It does not imply that this is how everyone felt
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but then many people also misunderstand that as well.
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Different states had different official churches.
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people who were born in the post-war consensus,
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Because we didn't have an official state church,
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that bound our many different identities together.
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And so even if you weren't a Christian yourself
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things then those truths cannot be self-evident
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not save you constitution is not magic it is it is
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not have the force that you want it to have the
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only reason it had a force in the first place is
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American people the importance of these things the
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people as soon as you disassociated the populace of
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traditions that brought you the first amendment you
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were inevitably going to get the deconstruction of the
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first amendment it was only a matter of time and the
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fact that they have deconstructed far more important
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things again like what a woman is and what a marriage
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constitutional rights would be next and there would
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be no more protection for those constitutional rights
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than there were for the definitions of things that have
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literally existed since the dawn of time since the
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entirety of human social formation if those things can be
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redefined then certainly the first amendment can be
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redefined and so it is being redefined by people like
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Jackson and it will continue to be until you realize that
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this is a critical aspect all right guys we're going to go
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ahead and transfer over to the questions of the people here
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real quick creeper weirdo says I'm going to ask this nicely
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as I can is a boomer is boomer a DR buzzword it feels like a
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buzzword to me also you can't blame your dad forever guys this is
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true right I actually already did a stream about this I already
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did a stream about you know you're the boomer now and why you
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can't solely blame boomers for everything it doesn't mean that
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they aren't liable for a number of things it doesn't mean that
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there isn't blame that is fairly placed on a generation but we
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cannot sit here and blame our parents forever or in this case
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probably our grandparents for many of you and so I think
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that's absolutely true however no it's not it's not a buzzword
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this is in pretty pretty common usage if you talk to anyone
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especially younger generations they don't actually link it to
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the boomer generation they just like it to anyone older than
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them uh so for instance I am most certainly a boomer uh to a
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large number of uh you know kind of uh gen z-ers and and
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beyond creepy ruda says uh you're gonna have to talk to doug
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wilson eventually oran it's gonna happen also you mixed up uh taking
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for granted and uh letting go of uh sorry I don't know the the
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second reference there uh somewhere in the talk uh but yeah
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yeah I've seen doug wilson uh some of his videos and those
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things I'd be happy to have a conversation with doug eventually he
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actually ended up reviewing uh one of my videos at some point
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seemed to like it so I'd be more than happy to talk to him
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eventually just haven't put that together yet uh reese says uh thanks for
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the stream okay thank you very much I appreciate that appreciate the
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support guys always nice to have you guys come by get to do
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these live uh florida henry says growing up in the 70s and 80s
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states and counties were fighting back this was pushed by the courts tv
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corporations and public schools boomers were garbage waiting for your
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audiobook well thank you very much uh yeah obviously the book is uh is
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coming out in may uh may 7th I have heard that there is going to be an
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audiobook but it's still uh in the works so I can't give you any more
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information on that uh and yes like you said uh there were absolutely
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people pushing back in the 70s and 80s again I do believe that this is an elite
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phenomenon as most uh cultural transformations are so this was most
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definitely being pushed down by entertainment large corporations courts
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and things like that you're 100 correct about that but of course the question
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is uh why did the generations uh there still make that transition I think you're
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right that there were people pushing back that's why I made sure to give credit
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to that but I do think overall there is a a large degree of cope as to just kind of
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how that came about uh that still exists in the wider populace
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uh perspicacious heretic says maybe it's actually the boomers
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getting put away uh yeah I mean to to some extent I pro that's probably true
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your uh boomer boomer truth regime I believe as uh AA calls it uh is is most
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certainly facing uh the uh the possibility of being put away
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uh let's see uh laws and uh like Kurgis says Trump was a clown show in our minds
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until he spoke about topics and that parties uh refused to since that was his
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road to victory everything else was just show yeah I would absolutely agree with
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that right for the most part it was very clownish it was very cartoonish
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there's a reason a lot of people didn't take him seriously uh at the beginning
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however it was his uh his uh ability and willingness to discuss things that you
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weren't supposed to or weren't allowed to discuss that really gave him his
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momentum uh even though he didn't always do that well and even though he didn't
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even follow up on many of those things it was simply his willingness to do that
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and his willingness to kind of attack I think the people that attacked much of
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middle America uh that that gained him the following that he received even
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though in many ways he was very cartoonish uh let's see here Cooper
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says but Oren uh someone might say the inward and pwned yes that is the most
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dangerous thing that could ever happen uh that that is the ultimate sin and the
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one thing that can never happen everyone must be terrified of that at all times
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uh let's see uh tiny stupid demon says uh institutional capture means we can stop
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lying and start saying the quiet part out loud yes in many cases that's that's true
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right we now that the left feels like they control all these institutions uh they no
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longer have to play the game they don't have to give uh any any uh credit to the
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old narrative the united states the old civic religion the old political formula
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of the constitution and and the founding and those things and instead they can just
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go ahead and say what they mean I think you're right that that's a
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huge reason we're seeing a big shift in language
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uh Daedalus says uh when I am weaker than you I ask for freedom because that is
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according to your principles when I am stronger than you I take away your freedom
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because that is according to my principles yes that's a very powerful
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truth uh many people link that to dune it does appear uh Frank Herbert and dune
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however I think he got that from another from a journalist of some type but yeah
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either way that's certainly the the place most people know that quote from is
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from dune and it is both powerful and true uh law says again here the values of
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freedom and equality uh come from the merchant class to see everyone as a
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customer and desire the freedom to sell and go without opposition yeah in many
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ways that's true right these are things that are
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uh liberal values because uh liberalism is in many ways uh the the kind of
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political theory or rather the uh the larger uh moral and and uh political
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understanding of uh capitalism right these are things that make kind of make
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capitalism run and that's why uh liberalism became kind of this dominant
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force because it kind of had to go and and make uh different nations ready for
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kind of the capitalist project uh and therefore kind of the merchant
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class and so I think that's that's right though to be fair
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uh freedom and liberty are things that people use
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interchangeably and I think that's that's dangerous
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uh many ancient peoples understood the the importance of liberty uh thought of
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themselves as free people in the sense of of having liberty uh but I think
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that we have kind of destroyed that word uh in many ways made that a purely
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economic or or more morally relativistic uh thing instead of something that uh
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kind of the average person understands as a a way to exist where you are not
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influenced by uh kind of the rule of foreign people
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which is more what it meant previously uh Seneca says the cycle of regimes when the
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people leave their founding principles they are doomed to destruction yeah I think
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that's that's very true I think that you know cyclical history especially when
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it comes to the rise and fall of different civilizations different empires is
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largely correct uh and I think that uh many people assume that we were not going
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to be subject to this uh but we are and that was that was part of the boomer
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eschatology as well that uh the the United States would be eternal in a way that other
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nations had not been uh because we were at the end of history uh and then uh law says
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one more time liberalism was written by philosophers and merchants and again very
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very hard to argue that point all right guys we're gonna go ahead and wrap this up thank
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you so much for coming by always great getting to do one of these solo live streams with you
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guys answer a bunch of questions uh go ahead and you know just give me my thoughts
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given more extended explanation it's nice to of course do the interviews too uh but but always
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