The Auron MacIntyre Show - Boots on the Ground in Iran, Major Scandal in Ukraine ｜ Guest： Tom Woods

00:00:00.700 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great

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00:01:03.060 that new show. All right. Well, once a great man told me that no matter who you vote for,

00:01:11.380 you end up with John McCain's foreign policy. And despite voting really hard, very directly

00:01:17.820 against the explicit repudiation of john mccain's foreign policy i'm worried that i might be getting

00:01:24.580 john mccain's foreign policy tom woods thanks for coming on the show man glad to be here oren

00:01:30.460 appreciate it so we've been watching this thing go exactly the way we told everybody was gonna go

00:01:37.500 and um this isn't a let's pat ourselves on the back because we have the ideological keys to

00:01:44.360 the kingdom thing here. We were right. You were wrong. But it's just extremely frustrating. And

00:01:50.260 I'm sure you who have been doing this much longer than I have are even more frustrated to sit here

00:01:55.380 and watch the beats play out almost exactly as they have previously. Well, it's just going to

00:02:01.480 be a bombing. Well, it's just going to be a few days, a few weeks, a few months. It's just the

00:02:07.320 midterm. It's just some boots on the ground. It's just the 2028 election. It seems like no matter

00:02:12.260 what we say or what we do, it's hard for people to recognize that the pattern of foreign intervention

00:02:17.200 in the Middle East just leads us to a reliable outcome. So we just got the news that there are

00:02:23.640 going to be boots on the ground, very likely in the American deployment, something we were promised

00:02:27.960 would never happen in this scenario by all the people who were trusting the plan on this. But

00:02:33.280 to be fair, something that the administration never cut out from the very beginning of this

00:02:37.800 this incursion as a possibility. And a lot of people seem confused about that outcome. But

00:02:44.120 isn't this just kind of the most predictable thing in the world? Well, I just saw, maybe it was on

00:02:51.920 X, a clip from Ben Shapiro from the end of 2024, in which he called it scurrilous that somebody

00:03:00.040 would accuse him of favoring war with Iran. And now not only does he favor the war with Iran,

00:03:05.000 even though absolutely nothing in the interim has changed he is all in favor of this you know

00:03:11.320 quote unquote boots on the ground dimension of it and you know i don't think it's that

00:03:16.440 people like you know like you and me like we were we were naive or i i i think it i think that was

00:03:24.820 reason it was reasonable to think that there was a genuine possibility that that we might crack

00:03:29.760 through and finally have an opportunity to be a normal country again. I mean, not just based on

00:03:36.540 Trump's rhetoric, but some of the people around him kind of talked like us, kind of sounded like

00:03:42.200 us, sympathized with us, came from our neck of the woods, so to speak. So it is, and not to mention,

00:03:50.060 there's a reason that the never-Trumpers were never-Trumpers. It wasn't because they didn't

00:03:55.160 like his agriculture policy. You know, it wasn't because they weren't sure where he stood on milk

00:04:00.560 subsidies. The point was that they thought he was unreliable on the one thing that matters to them,

00:04:06.120 which is foreign policy, and particularly the question of Israel. And because he, now he wasn't

00:04:11.900 an ideologue down the line on questions of war and foreign intervention, but in a way that made

00:04:18.000 it even worse, because now he's just completely unpredictable. He could do or say anything.

00:04:21.680 and that you know that's a good and a bad thing with Trump you never know what he might do or say

00:04:27.500 which in a way could help in this situation because he could say next week I think the

00:04:32.580 thing is all done although the Iranians might have a word to say about that but now to see it

00:04:38.220 turn around quite so much and to have the never Trumpers suddenly be whispering in his ear not

00:04:44.860 whispering in his ear actually bellowing into his ear that he's the greatest president ever

00:04:49.880 Ben Shapiro gives him an A+.

00:04:51.520 They know that that currency works with him, that he wants to be told these things.

00:04:55.920 And the people who do tell him, well, he tends to go back to the well quite a bit.

00:05:00.760 But on the other hand, we hear people saying that behind closed doors, he fully recognizes the, shall we say, strategic difficulties of the current position that the U.S. is in with regard to Iran.

00:05:13.000 So who really knows?

00:05:14.640 We're all speculating.

00:05:15.560 We're all trying to figure out who's where and saying what.

00:05:19.220 And, you know, we've heard rumors that even Marco Rubio, who had other, I mean, he has no love for the Iranian regime, but he had other priorities.

00:05:28.060 You know, he has his various ethnic missions he wants to carry out south of here.

00:05:34.280 And we also hear that J.D. Vance was not sympathetic.

00:05:38.500 But, again, I mean, I don't know.

00:05:40.440 Probably he wasn't.

00:05:41.620 But how much of this is also an attempt to try to salvage something for himself in 2028? Is Trump winking at these leaks about J.D. Vance because they know that this thing might in fact hurt his political prospects?

00:05:54.980 I don't know how to put it all together, what's really going on, but I will say that it is deeply demoralizing that even when you get a guy who in Jeb Bush's face says – right to Jeb Bush's face says, your brother lied us into a war over nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, that even that guy comes – and again, I know people will say to me, you shouldn't have been naive, that's the way politicians are.

00:06:20.860 that's not necessarily true some politicians get in office they do exactly what they say they're

00:06:24.340 going to do but as scott horton says what tends to happen is they keep all the bad promises they

00:06:30.660 made and they break all the good ones and i think some of us thought well maybe there's a chance

00:06:35.120 here this might defy horton's law but unfortunately not quite well tom uh there's a people in the

00:06:43.340 audience despite our best efforts of trying to get your audio set before we got started

00:06:47.080 still saying it's very hard to hear you so pretend like the guy behind you it supports the fed and

00:06:52.680 just really all right i will do that i apologize i don't know what's the matter with the setup

00:06:56.960 but i i've i'm speaking as if i'm really really outraged which indeed i am yes yes give give the

00:07:04.240 full projection as if someone is letting you know that an expansionist foreign policy is somehow wise

00:07:09.460 uh but uh look i'm one of these people like i was a classic talk radio listener before i ran into

00:07:17.020 donald trump's presidency i'm like well i'm not a huge ted cruz fan but maybe he's the best choice

00:07:22.280 in this field and then he got up in front of that field and embarrassed jeb bush and ted cruz and

00:07:28.900 marco rubio and all of these people specifically on foreign policy i am a foreign policy restrictionist

00:07:35.160 because donald trump sold me on the idea and then i went back and started reading guys like pat

00:07:40.820 Buchanan and others and realized, oh, no, this isn't just Donald Trump. There's a long running,

00:07:46.040 like, you know, conservative, right leaning understanding of why this is the correct way

00:07:51.660 to approach foreign policy. So it was good to know that while Donald Trump was saying something that

00:07:56.080 was effective and persuasive and true, that there was also like an intellectual genealogy reaching

00:08:02.960 back into my own belief system that also showed this to be the case. So when you have a guy who

00:08:08.340 goes out there and gives exactly the argument that sways you into this position it's quite the

00:08:13.420 whiplash to then be told that you are insufficiently loyal to the guy for continuing to hold the

00:08:18.460 position you were argued into by exactly this political actor and to your point people can say

00:08:24.020 oh well that's naive or foolish to hear what a politician says and believe it fair enough but

00:08:29.160 then what are we doing with democracy let's just stop the whole thing right like if i can never

00:08:33.240 believe a single thing any politician ever says for any reason or their positions on it well then

00:08:39.280 there is legitimately no reason to continue to engage in this political system in any way that

00:08:45.900 said i do think that the factions that you were alluding to inside the administration are real

00:08:51.120 and one of the things that makes me believe that are the stories coming out like you said we've

00:08:56.860 seen for a while, people who are very clearly neocon adjacent, guys like Max Abrams, others

00:09:03.340 are have been arguing to get rid of of J.D. Vance. They obviously don't like the fact that Trump

00:09:10.080 was in any way inconsistent on their understanding of foreign policy. They do not want the MAGA

00:09:15.800 nationalist understanding of foreign policy to continue in any new administration. And I'm

00:09:21.740 noticing who's being targeted by the media so this like last news cycle about this last week

00:09:27.440 we've seen two different attempts to dislodge anti-war or more nationalist voices inside the

00:09:35.600 right so the first one i want to talk about which is part of the the headline of this episode is

00:09:41.200 tulsi gabbard now i know tulsi gabbard has suddenly lost credibility with a lot of kind of anti-war

00:09:48.000 folks because of her own willingness to step out in this moment and do kind of what joe kent is

00:09:52.820 doing i do understand and i think joe kent has also said he understands why people stay in the

00:09:58.060 administration to try to use the level of influence they have in that scenario and it's very clear that

00:10:03.740 other people are worried about that because literally two days before tulsi gabbard issued

00:10:09.800 a very important report on possible manipulation of war funding through ukraine to subvert the

00:10:16.700 American elections, we got guys like Josh Hammer running out and setting up these conspiracy

00:10:22.440 theories about Islamic fifth columns run by Tulsi Gabbard trying to undermine the war in Iran.

00:10:29.020 And so when I see all the wrong people targeting people like Tulsi Gabbard and J.D. Vance,

00:10:35.040 Stephen Miller is starting to get a bunch of stories about how the White House has suddenly

00:10:39.160 lost confidence in him and maybe he's impossible to work with. And J.D. Vance is using mean words

00:10:45.820 towards Benjamin Netanyahu when they're in discussions and, you know, the Iranians want

00:10:50.680 to talk to him because they think he's more reasonable in these discussions. When I see

00:10:54.640 all of this stuff getting run out there, I know some people are like, oh, well, it's a hedge

00:10:58.820 against him. I see the opposite. In the last Trump administration, we watched this movement from

00:11:04.480 original MAGA people slowly transforming into the John Bolton's administration, right? Like that

00:11:10.440 was the transition we saw over time. I feel like we're seeing something similar here where the

00:11:15.280 president hits a policy wall pivots to something like foreign policy instead because he feels like

00:11:20.340 can get something done gets frustrated starts replacing a bunch of people who were there with

00:11:24.460 the original uh idea the original message of the administration and we end up something more like

00:11:29.820 the neocon establishment am i reading this wrong do you see any possible uh version of this that

00:11:35.660 could go that way well i have heard a lot of people say that in foreign policy he has a lot

00:11:42.760 more free reign because of what we've kind of all more or less uh implicitly agreed over time

00:11:49.860 the president's powers on foreign policy ought to be now i disagree with that i think the president

00:11:54.420 has way too much power on foreign policy but the point is given the status quo i think he felt like

00:12:00.140 i can get more wins on the foreign stage than i can with federal judges blocking me all the time

00:12:05.580 obviously that's going to take a whole lot of work and we do need to focus on that too uh so so i

00:12:12.080 think there is something to that the thing is you can't as you were saying you can't do this much

00:12:18.240 of a 180 uh like for example if you wanted to focus on foreign policy wins you could have focused

00:12:24.220 on what he said apparently quite recently which is maybe we can get troops out of germany yeah

00:12:30.160 for heaven's sake maybe we can you know it's just something like that that's so obvious so obviously

00:12:36.420 a waste of money that's so obviously a relic of the cold war past and yet it's so obvious

00:12:42.140 but no one can talk about it it's not ever on the table but if he did it it would show you know

00:12:48.320 things that have been off the table are now on the table i would consider that a win we save a lot of

00:12:53.380 money we we go after an expensive relic of the cold war i mean you know you could have done things

00:12:57.880 like that big big money saving things you know if i can't get these people to cut spending uh here's

00:13:03.120 here's where i'll cut it you know a policy that that outlived its usefulness 35 plus years ago

00:13:09.420 how about we get into that so he could have done that but also you can't go around talking about

00:13:14.220 the cost of housing as cavalierly as trump has because he did say and again i know we're we're

00:13:22.480 supposed to be naive for taking him at his word but i i think if ron paul said i'm going to do

00:13:28.160 certain things about housing whether you like ron paul or not you know darn well he would do those

00:13:32.540 things i mean that's just a fact you know he would not have launched this war in iran i mean that

00:13:36.380 that's a fact i can take his word for things because he's being honest with me but all the

00:13:42.240 same we have trump saying we're going to cut housing prices i don't remember the exact percentage

00:13:47.780 but it was a big percentage and he said a lot of it has to do with regulation and we're going to

00:13:53.060 get in there and cut those prices and now it's well who really you know everybody's bored by

00:13:57.080 housing prices and and and i don't want to cut them too much because the boomers are using their

00:14:03.180 houses they like atms and they feel wealthy because of the value of their houses so i can't

00:14:08.740 cut them too much what i can do is make it easier for you to borrow so you can be paying for your

00:14:13.340 house the rest of your life i can try and do that i mean this is you can't do that you can't be so

00:14:18.260 in their face that yes i'm focused on iran and by the way i'm also not listening to your domestic

00:14:25.200 concerns it seems like people keep saying well you can walk and chew gum at the same time yes

00:14:30.580 but he's walking and like drinking sulfuric acid at the same time you know don't do that

00:14:35.620 i mean i i don't think we can walk and chew gum at the same time that's been my point the entire

00:14:41.760 time if we don't seem to be able to walk or chew gum show me you can do either show me you can do

00:14:47.780 one of these we don't successfully regime change people we never do it it never works and it

00:14:53.740 certainly never works as some aerial bombardment so we can't walk we also don't seem to be able to

00:14:59.100 reduce housing prices so we can't chew gum so don't tell me we can't do that we can do them

00:15:03.460 both at the same time because if you can't demonstrate an ability to do one of the things

00:15:07.580 then maybe trying to multitask is not the play now as i've said many times i think that

00:15:13.060 donald trump is still critical because of what has happened on immigration it's not sufficient

00:15:18.160 it's not what I want we need more however I simply cannot deny that January 6 you know guys would

00:15:24.060 still be in jail and the borders would still be open and would probably be looking at 8 million

00:15:28.040 new illegals this year and you know some discussion of amnesty if we had gotten a Kamala Harris

00:15:34.480 presidency that's just the case that doesn't mean I like Donald Trump's current position especially

00:15:38.960 on foreign policy but I'm not going to lie to myself that there's just no difference or you

00:15:43.560 know it doesn't matter all if Trump's in office but that said that doesn't mean I'm going to let

00:15:47.400 him off on the things that we were promised that are not occurring and when i've been told

00:15:52.500 repeatedly that involving ourselves in long sustained you know operations in the middle

00:15:58.600 east is a mistake and every day we get another indication that this thing's going to go longer

00:16:03.340 i'm saying okay we get it you tried this it didn't work at the very least can we cut our losses and

00:16:09.500 back out but the problem now is the straight of hormuz because obviously before this iran had

00:16:15.380 pseudo control over it but they were not exercising the control they were not taxing people to go in

00:16:21.100 and out of there they were not blowing up ships for trying to move through this area now because

00:16:25.720 their position has been pressed and they are in an existential war with you know israel with

00:16:31.300 america backing it they recognize that if they take their thumb off the dead man switch they're

00:16:36.640 going to get blown up like israel's not going to call off and neither is the united states if they

00:16:40.940 see this and so they're just going to sit on that straight and lock it down in perpetuity

00:16:45.080 even if we walk out of there so now we've got you know scott beset and others saying well you know

00:16:50.280 we're just going to escort uh you know these these uh oil you know uh carriers through here we're

00:16:55.980 just going to have this permit basically pseudo permanent military presence in order to make this

00:17:00.560 happen which i don't even know if we can do at the moment like we're not even willing to go in there

00:17:04.580 and alleviate the situation but we're starting to see other world leaders people in south korea

00:17:09.460 talking about the energy crisis that this is generating and so now just again as we guys like

00:17:15.660 you and i have warmed so many times you had a situation that was not ideal but was workable

00:17:21.620 and now we've gone in and create a scenario where we have to stay in the middle east possibly for

00:17:27.440 years to generate the exact scenario we had before we even stepped in there yeah exactly so going back

00:17:34.720 to your point about domestic policy particularly immigration it's particularly if you favor those

00:17:40.100 policies that you should not want this happening because yes this is so unpopular even if we just

00:17:46.200 look at it from a purely machiavellian standpoint this is so unpopular that it's going to mean

00:17:51.840 you're not going to get the closing of the border for very long because it's going to lead to a

00:17:56.500 backlash that's going to lead to the worst people in the world coming now there's a these days

00:18:00.820 there's a huge competition for that title but the worst people in the world coming back into power

00:18:05.040 and they're going to be energized and and and you know ready to give as as good as they got and then

00:18:11.340 some because they didn't get you know nearly as much as some of us thought they should so that's

00:18:17.840 the thing is that even if you thought well at some point we have to confront this iranian regime

00:18:22.300 i mean i view the iranian regime as at most an occasional nuisance i don't go for this whole

00:18:28.480 they've been at war with us for 47 years when you get out of here you know another thing about that

00:18:33.400 about neocons that they're they're always so over the top with the with the rhetoric you know and

00:18:38.380 if you read like the old right the conservatives of the 50s if you read people like felix morley

00:18:45.520 who was the editor of human events uh for quite some time uh but also i guess not just felix morley

00:18:52.760 and then the people of Pat Buchanan descends from.

00:18:56.860 But if you look at like Garrett Garrett or John T. Flynn,

00:19:00.020 or you look at some of these people from those days,

00:19:02.240 or in particular Richard Weaver,

00:19:04.520 Richard Weaver would say, you know, left-wingers,

00:19:08.320 he wasn't thinking of neocons,

00:19:09.620 his left-wingers come up with these big grandiose schemes

00:19:13.500 where they're going to transform society

00:19:16.740 or they're going to abolish ignorance from the world

00:19:19.560 or they're going to rid the world of evil.

00:19:22.000 This is the way the neocons talk.

00:19:23.700 You know, we have to rid the world of evil.

00:19:25.780 Whereas the conservative realizes, you know, that's something that sounded nice in third grade.

00:19:31.740 But the fact is, all you can do with evil is hem it in.

00:19:35.780 And the attempt to abolish evil from the world is going to be so misplaced and over the top, all you're going to do is make it worse.

00:19:43.420 The best you can do is manage it.

00:19:45.720 You know, so there are vices in America that we all wish people didn't have.

00:19:50.820 but but they've been around since the beginning of time usually the best you can do is manage them

00:19:57.040 keep them in the bad part of town away from the normal people but going around trying to abolish

00:20:02.600 everything be happy if you have a country that's prosperous that functions in which there are

00:20:08.780 families that are flourishing in which there are schools that you dare to send your kids to

00:20:13.680 be happy with that instead of this thought that i have to be concerned about some regime on the

00:20:19.420 other side of the world or that somebody's not living in a democracy. Be happy with what you

00:20:24.000 have, because that is about all you can expect in a fallen world. Well, it's hard not to notice

00:20:31.720 where the priorities are in this moment, because I'm sure you've been aware there's a conservative

00:20:37.820 civil war going on on that portion of the right over what MAGA is and what we should be doing

00:20:44.200 and what foreign policy should look like now this existed to be fair before the war largely over the

00:20:51.120 issue of israel and then we got a war where literally the secretary of state walked out and

00:20:56.900 said yeah we did it because israel made us do it and that did not help the situation now don't get

00:21:03.240 me wrong i think there would have been a problem beforehand but what i'm getting now despite all

00:21:09.960 of this is people running around and still telling me that it's conspiracy theories on podcasts

00:21:15.380 that are driving away the voters. That's what's going to lose us stuff. This is so delusional

00:21:20.480 that when I appear on shows, I have people ask me, well, why do you think the president's

00:21:25.420 numbers are going down? And none of the options they provide me are he started an unpopular war

00:21:31.200 on behalf of a foreign country. That's how incredible the silo is in the middle is this

00:21:37.080 thing. And I have a lot of sympathy for people who are telling me that the way that Candace Owens

00:21:43.240 or Ian Carroll conduct themselves is irresponsible. I love Tucker Carlson, but I even disagree

00:21:49.400 with him when I had him on on certain positions or attitudes he's taking in different scenarios.

00:21:54.380 So I understand that disagreement. But what I cannot abide is people telling me that Ian Carroll

00:22:01.800 or candace owens is somehow making the republican party less popular than hiding the epstein files

00:22:09.780 and starting a war in iran it's just absolutely delusional you have to cut these people out

00:22:17.200 you have to remove them from the right if you don't we will never get anything done i want to

00:22:23.420 focus on domestic policy i want that to be the only thing we care about we have way too much

00:22:28.320 going on in the United States, and it all needs to get fixed. I want to avoid talking about any

00:22:32.680 other foreign country, including Israel. But apparently, it is literally impossible for me

00:22:37.820 to get a domestic agenda done because we're too busy chasing the foreign policy aims of a foreign

00:22:43.600 nation. So I can't shut up about this anymore. And I hate it because I really do not want to

00:22:48.840 talk about this stupid country in the Middle East ever again. But I seem to have no other option

00:22:53.820 because it's literally the domestic agenda being held hostage and i'm told that noticing that is

00:22:59.620 the real problem not the fact that neocons have once again driven us into a disaster for domestic

00:23:05.440 policy by going on the offense in foreign policy well i'm in exactly the same situation i mean i'm

00:23:11.580 not primarily a foreign policy guy in terms of my knowledge background so it's not what you know

00:23:18.020 what would be my preferred thing to talk about but it's like during coven you know well i don't

00:23:23.120 really like talking about infectious disease but i guess i have to because it's remaking our entire

00:23:28.700 society and likewise i mean my gosh if you look at my x feed these days particularly the replies

00:23:34.820 it's like that's all i'm talking about and then you get accused of you're obsessed with israel

00:23:39.980 i wouldn't be quote obsessed with israel if you weren't obsessed with it the first place

00:23:44.260 look at my feed a year ago there was none of this this is entirely in reaction to what's going on

00:23:50.300 And yes, as you say, this has nothing to do with me one way or the other.

00:23:54.840 I wish Israel well the way I abstractly wish well every country in the world, but I have a million things that concern me, and the ethnic hatreds of one country or another in the Middle East are not among them.

00:24:07.820 But you're right, it's gotten to the point, and of course we all know the routine now, and it's embarrassing.

00:24:12.720 The everybody's an anti-Semite or if you look at Mark Levin, I think somebody actually compiled all the times he has replied to somebody and simply said Nazi.

00:24:24.320 That's his entire reply is Nazi. That's that's Rachel Maddow level.

00:24:28.840 And this guy can't talk on any other level. He can't imagine that there's any argument against him.

00:24:35.560 And I mean, I think at this point, the magic words, we all know the magic words, white supremacist, racist, racist is passe.

00:24:44.880 They don't use that anymore.

00:24:46.120 That doesn't work anymore.

00:24:46.840 Yeah, they had to up the volume on that one.

00:24:49.620 It was not getting the job done.

00:24:51.660 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:24:52.620 And so likewise, anti-Semite was not getting the job done.

00:24:55.620 So now it's Jew hater.

00:24:57.460 I mean, that really sounds pretty terrible.

00:24:59.220 Jew hater.

00:24:59.780 the way they they throw these terms around thinking well this will shut down discussion

00:25:06.120 just as it did when jesse jackson called everybody a racist well that did actually

00:25:10.780 shut people down at that time because there was a time in american history when i think the average

00:25:16.320 person thought that words like that were being used in good faith and that they were being used

00:25:21.860 to point out truly revolting behavior that we should all oppose and then they they got a little

00:25:27.700 wise to the the the racket and realize no this is actually just an attempt to silence people

00:25:33.620 there's never an argument make an argument if you think i'm a bad person tell me what's wrong with

00:25:39.020 my argument don't just call me a name so now they've gotten to the point where yeah i suppose

00:25:43.540 it still has some force i mean in your professional life you probably don't want it coming up that uh

00:25:48.940 you posted x or y on on x and you shouldn't have done this and you should have said this instead

00:25:53.560 of that but more and more among people who you know can be honest no nobody cares about these

00:26:00.120 names you get called a racist quote-unquote nobody thinks that means anything you call an

00:26:04.180 anti anti-semite these days everybody just knows that means you're against the war in iran like

00:26:08.700 every basically everybody knows that and yes you can find some people who are truly like you know

00:26:14.900 they would like to just you know murder a whole bunch of people well obviously i have nothing to

00:26:18.740 do with that but that is a vanishingly small number of people it's overwhelmingly just people

00:26:23.480 who say there's I have criticisms of this particular government and because you have

00:26:28.020 criticism of that particular government they say well why are you singling it out there are a lot

00:26:32.400 of governments in the world why are you singling it out well I'll tell you why because I see my

00:26:37.100 politicians going over there hundreds of them at a time and posing with the leader of that country

00:26:42.020 you know like idiots I see a thousand Christian pastors going over there to be propagandized into

00:26:48.920 a false theology so they can come home and propagandize their congregations to take a

00:26:53.960 particular position in foreign policy. I don't see Qatar doing that. I don't see Oman doing that.

00:26:58.760 I don't see Nigeria doing that. And I haven't even gotten to the funding. So that's why we feel this

00:27:05.720 way. And they have to realize this on some level. But what have they got to say? I mean, because

00:27:10.800 they have to realize that, of course, a patriot would oppose all those things. So what have they

00:27:15.360 god except to call you a jew hater i mean come on get that's the best you can do get out of here

00:27:19.940 well and i think that's the big problem tom like you said obviously there are people who truly do

00:27:25.280 just have ethnic hatred in their hearts and whatever i don't want to be associated with

00:27:29.320 that that's not my game i if i had any inclination towards that i certainly would just say it but

00:27:34.580 that's simply not the case what we do see over and over again however is the attempt to conflate

00:27:40.820 that with anyone else who has problems with our current foreign policy our current relationship

00:27:45.640 and i'm sorry but when you let guys like josh hammer run around and say oh well anti-semitism

00:27:51.600 is genetic to european people when he's literally talking about like race science and how we can't

00:27:57.960 help ourselves from being evil because we're genetically programmed and he doesn't get

00:28:02.820 anything he's running around spreading conspiracy theories he's lying about your americans of

00:28:07.700 european descent in the most absolutely bigoted way possible and the people there never get linked

00:28:13.760 to him he doesn't he can appear on every major television program with his like absolute like

00:28:19.440 feverish ethnic hatred you know and his complete uh you know ability to spin uh conspiracy theories

00:28:25.200 but we get no pushback there but then when it comes to the other side oh well you're all just

00:28:29.700 one thing you all just believe this everyone's a nazi the end like that rhetoric is only going

00:28:34.720 to work until the boomers are gone. And I say that sadly, because losing the boomers is not

00:28:40.540 going to be a good thing overall. I know a lot of people think that that transition is going to be

00:28:44.000 great because, oh, all of a sudden these boomer ideas go out. Well, so does a large percentage

00:28:48.520 of the American population that still remembers what America was. You're going to pay a cost when

00:28:54.060 the boomers are out the door as well. But ultimately, one of the truth is that whether

00:28:58.740 you like it or not, through just historical erosion and demographic shifts, the idea of

00:29:03.960 this eternal world war true to guilt that has been stapled on to the american mindset since 1945

00:29:10.000 is just going to be gone it's not going to appeal to anybody dispensational theology is on its way

00:29:15.640 out i am an evangelical i talk to people under 50 all the time nobody's buying this anymore like all

00:29:21.280 of this stuff is fading this is the last gasp of it and they know that which is why i think that

00:29:27.080 israel and you know neocons are going hard in the paint on this because this is the very last time

00:29:32.380 they're going to be able to pump that well for anything and without it they simply cannot get

00:29:36.420 the job done and this is where the the key question comes up about what are the difference

00:29:44.020 the the the different um interests of israel in the united states because of course

00:29:48.660 the standard claim is that we are politically coordinate israel in the united states we have

00:29:54.800 the same goals well you know as with any two countries sometimes you have the same goals

00:29:59.180 but other times you don't and the ted cruises of the world seem to think it's a metaphysical

00:30:04.640 impossibility that our our interests could be discordant and so one example of that is this

00:30:12.000 war in iran where you do hear voices coming out of the white house one of them being trump's own

00:30:18.100 voice saying well we're going to attempt to do this or talk to this person or whoever it is

00:30:22.700 they're talking to who knows and then he no sooner does he say that then israel goes and knocks out

00:30:28.280 some bit of civilian infrastructure somewhere that totally undermines him i mean at one point

00:30:33.220 trump even had to put in all caps israel will not do any more bombing of this place you know he had

00:30:38.660 to be reduced to that but to getting to your point the reason i raise this is that the more israel does

00:30:45.380 that the the more of a quagmire it creates the harder it makes it for the u.s to get out and so

00:30:52.520 the longer we wind up staying there now you know so i i think the thinking is if you can get the u.s

00:30:59.360 in at the beginning we can keep them in through various means we can make it strategically

00:31:03.980 impossible for them to withdraw and so even as the political support for the mission uh falls

00:31:10.280 and even as support for israel falls over time as it has been uh what are they going to do declare

00:31:15.400 they've lost and try and get out they're going to have to stay around and and and and keep slogging

00:31:21.940 it out i guess and so that is definitely a case where the interests diverge i have no interest

00:31:27.380 in seeing this happen and i have no interest in seeing americans taking the brunt of it we just

00:31:32.700 heard uh i don't know if it was today or the other day from israel that in any proposed ground

00:31:39.260 invasion there won't be any israeli forces i mean could you try to make it a little less obvious

00:31:44.860 i mean you're just handing material to people now tom i'm trying not to rave like a lunatic but

00:31:50.920 it's getting harder and harder. When I have a country who clearly, clearly went out of their

00:31:56.800 way to drive us into this war and announced just a day or two ago, as you say, not only are they

00:32:02.760 not going to send any ground troops to help us in the war that they wanted to start, that they want

00:32:07.540 us to fight, but they are expanding their control of Lebanon right now. They're expanding because

00:32:14.040 of course, Israel's not fighting one war. They're fighting several wars simultaneously because

00:32:19.500 that's what sane rational you know western countries do they open up nine fronts all at

00:32:26.620 the same time and then they demand that you go in and fight a ground war in a place that they can't

00:32:32.660 bother to put their troops in while they expand on an entirely different front let's also not forget

00:32:37.160 the israel you know encouraged us to help topple the government of syria and then just a few months

00:32:42.080 later started a war with the new government of syria that they helped to install because they

00:32:47.500 decided they no longer liked it this is our partner in this conflict now again i have no

00:32:53.700 particular desire to ever think about israel again if they want to go and try to conquer the entire

00:32:59.940 middle east godspeed i don't care what i don't want is my blood my treasure my people my country

00:33:07.920 being pulled into this over and over again because these people cannot control themselves it is very

00:33:13.980 clear that whatever you feel about israel's current position or their possible divine right

00:33:20.200 to any given land that they are not someone who puts the priorities of the united states

00:33:25.860 before their own and i don't blame that i don't blame them for that they're not supposed to

00:33:30.380 my leaders are supposed to so i'm very very tired of my leaders telling me that i am somehow

00:33:37.180 anti-american or hate some disparate group of people somewhere because i can see the obvious

00:33:43.740 that this is an unreliable ally that is not putting our interests first and is costing us

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00:34:39.020 april 10th on hulu on disney plus but at the same time i think we're probably talking about it more

00:34:48.040 now than we ever have uh okay you know when we think back to 2002 and three now in 2002

00:34:55.640 uh the iraq war hadn't started yet but you could tell it was coming from the from all the chatter

00:35:02.500 and it seemed like inevitable and it didn't matter that the enthusiasm really wasn't there for it

00:35:07.760 I mean, there's more enthusiasm for this, for the for the Iraq war than there is for the present one.

00:35:12.820 Oh, yeah, definitely. But but still, you know, they had to they had to come up with phony baloney reasons in order to get people on board.

00:35:21.360 But at that time, it was very difficult, actually, to be a Pat Buchanan because pretty much everybody on the right, you know, had been raised on neocon radio.

00:35:32.100 And they thought that, well, I guess I have to support the military because that's what I as a conservative do.

00:35:37.400 because the liberals are weak, and as a conservative, therefore, I must be strong.

00:35:42.260 And being strong means deploying the military.

00:35:45.520 And I always remind people, actually, if you look at the mainstream left,

00:35:48.620 like the Hillary Clinton left, these people favored the Spanish-American War,

00:35:54.020 World War I, World War II, the Korean War, most of the Cold War,

00:35:58.040 Vietnam for most of the time until people turned against it.

00:36:01.060 They favored the Balkan intervention.

00:36:02.960 They favored Kosovo in 1999.

00:36:05.720 I mean, they favored, obviously, funding Ukraine.

00:36:08.360 These people have no shortage of wanting to get involved in war.

00:36:11.560 So if you're thinking you're sticking it to the libs, I think you're misunderstanding who the libs are, for one thing.

00:36:17.700 But today I think it's actually easier because I think Buchanan was ahead of his time.

00:36:25.880 And at the time, nobody could quite understand it.

00:36:27.740 It was like, Pat, we really like what you have to say on so many other things.

00:36:31.660 And that's what they said about Ron Paul.

00:36:33.040 I love Ron Paul except for his foreign policy.

00:36:34.940 And I used to say the foreign policy is the best thing about it. You know, so now like that has had a lasting impact. And today you and I can have this conversation and it might seem a little cheeky. But on the other hand, it's not exactly completely out of left field. Now people expect there to be this kind of dissent within the ranks of the right. And that is that is absolutely only going to grow.

00:36:58.820 And, of course, the more sour this thing turns out to be, I mean, first of all, I was about to say the more sour it turns, the less likely we are to get into future ones.

00:37:08.840 But I don't know.

00:37:09.720 I would have thought that the past would have prevented us from getting into this one.

00:37:13.980 Yeah, it really is amazing.

00:37:15.480 Like, obviously, while the reasons for the Iraq war were fabricated, at least they took the time to fabricate them.

00:37:25.820 At least they took the time to sell us this.

00:37:28.240 they went to the un there was a months-long discussion on why it was so important to get

00:37:33.220 involved again like not true but at least we understood there was a process you needed to go

00:37:37.960 through to convince the american people and it was right after 9-11 and so there was this

00:37:42.640 understandable concern and national tragedy again exploited but at least the context made sense at

00:37:48.760 least there was an effort you went through the motions this time it was so clear that we were

00:37:54.320 just kind of moving ships to the Middle East. Yeah, I remember covering the State of the Union

00:38:00.520 and Trump didn't mention Iran basically at all in the entire speech, even though we were going to

00:38:06.040 war in a few days. He didn't make an argument as to why we needed to go, why they were dangerous,

00:38:10.640 what was going on. It was literally just we seem to be moving the entire American military

00:38:15.300 into this area. Oh, wait, we're fighting a war. Oh, wait, Israel was going to go. So we had to

00:38:20.680 go the end and that makes a lot of sense to me honestly because all of a sudden a rather nationalist

00:38:26.780 administration who had been using the language of america first suddenly started using neocon

00:38:33.200 language out of nowhere we need freedom for the iranians they're gonna greet us as liberators

00:38:37.720 we'll arm the moderate kurds to take it out we're just playing the hits and it's just so clear that

00:38:43.940 they didn't have any rhetoric prepared prepared there was no case to be made there was no and

00:38:49.140 And so that makes sense.

00:38:50.360 I see a lot of people saying, oh, well, of course we have a plan in Iran.

00:38:53.440 No, brother.

00:38:54.120 I don't think we do.

00:38:55.180 I think Israel said go and we said, OK, and we didn't have any way to sell it to people

00:39:00.280 and we didn't have any plan about how to get it done.

00:39:02.160 I think we just went because if we didn't, they were going to start it anyway and trap

00:39:05.920 us and more soldiers were going to die.

00:39:07.700 That is not a reason to go to war.

00:39:09.560 That's a reason to stop having an ally.

00:39:11.700 That's the end of an allyship right there.

00:39:14.480 The minute that an ally tells you we're going to go to war and get your guys killed to drag

00:39:18.300 into this war so you better go whether you're ready or not whether you have a justification

00:39:21.940 for not whether you've had this conversation in your country or not whether or not you have a

00:39:25.440 plan or not that's the end of my relationship with that country forever like i don't understand

00:39:30.660 how anyone cannot see this but i'm still told that it's podcasters tom podcasters are destroying

00:39:37.020 the conservative movement and if we could just shut up those stupid podcasters the same one that

00:39:41.080 the left told us we're winning the election on behalf of donald trump with people who had never

00:39:46.040 voted republican before in their lives as long as you get rid of those people then we'll have

00:39:51.240 saved america yeah it's i mean it's it is a ridiculous and absurd and and uh uh you're

00:39:58.320 you're fooling yourself to to fall for that kind of a miscalculation then in terms of the war

00:40:03.040 given how uh how low the approval level uh has been for this thing since it started

00:40:10.340 the idea that if if there's a ground invasion and there are american casualties this will rally the

00:40:16.700 american public to the war is is certainly false it will rally them further against it like we

00:40:22.660 didn't want this to begin with so why do you think you know whereas if 90 of people had favored a

00:40:28.120 righteous invasion and then we hit some trouble that might lead to people rallying to it but not

00:40:34.500 in this situation so it's it's and the other thing is i just talked to andrew day who's senior editor

00:40:41.300 at the american conservative the american conservative was founded as a magazine back in

00:40:45.720 2002 as i said when when there was a lead-up to the iraq war but it hadn't happened yet

00:40:50.400 and pat buchanan was one of the three founders of that magazine and so andrew uh day kind of keeps

00:40:56.360 that tradition going and he said that in order to get out of this it's going to be trickier than

00:41:03.220 you think and now this is not original to him but it's going to be trickier than you think because

00:41:08.000 iran is not an adversary that can just be stepped all over and then you leave and say it's over

00:41:14.120 they have a say in this matter and they can continue the status quo for a while they can

00:41:20.900 continue raining down missiles on israel they can keep the strait of hormuz closed it's going to be

00:41:25.240 hard to just declare victory and leave and it's also going to be hard to negotiate because who

00:41:30.680 would trust the u.s regime as a negotiating partner at this point so andrew day says what

00:41:36.720 it might take is for trump to say we are divorced from israel so you don't have to worry that this

00:41:42.500 is going to happen again and i said well you know there are a lot of things i'd like to hear

00:41:46.080 have happened and i can almost guarantee you that while we're praying for miracles we'll put that

00:41:51.540 one on the list yeah that that is not on the list i have a very short list that but that is definitely

00:41:56.660 not on it yeah it really is a scenario as you say that was designed from the beginning to ensure we

00:42:05.000 couldn't back out of i mean if you don't see that as plain as day i can't help you like you you just

00:42:10.740 probably shouldn't be in the political analysis game strategy isn't for you you know find find

00:42:15.540 something else accounting you know there are plenty plenty of great professions uh that don't

00:42:19.920 involve you making a mistake of this magnitude but we're in this scenario either way now right

00:42:25.040 And so this is the huge problem. A lot of people are talking about alternative runs. You know, oh, well, we'll have maybe a libertarian candidate. Rand Paul will step in or Thomas Massey will step in and and, you know, they'll be able to run against the Trump administration's war record while also still providing some kind of right wing alternative.

00:42:46.160 now i i give libertarians a lot of uh guff which i'm sure you get in return for for talking to me

00:42:52.200 but um i do think that well and again libertarians i'll give you the credit where it's due and i

00:42:58.700 agreed with you this time so you can't be mean to me about it uh you were right about the war

00:43:02.340 right we were all right about the war right but it's not about being right it's about having our

00:43:06.700 country win so the question is what do we do next now i understand why people like positions taken

00:43:12.420 by Rand Paul and Thomas Massey, especially given the current scenario. But I just don't see either

00:43:17.820 of these guys as winning national elections. Massey just doesn't have, I think, the charisma

00:43:22.360 necessary. And while I think Rand Paul has more time in the spotlight and probably probably has

00:43:26.960 a little bit more ability on his feet in certain scenarios, I've noticed that immediately his

00:43:31.760 campaign, possibly that he seems to be floating, is about like balanced budgets and things.

00:43:38.140 we're not hearing a lot on immigration and this is what always worries me i look i know that there

00:43:43.520 is different strains of libertarianism and so the open borders libertarians are not the only ones

00:43:48.340 however even when i get libertarians that kind of admit we probably need border security they

00:43:53.800 never seem to take it very seriously it's like the 19th you know issue on the table i think if

00:43:59.760 you want to win a populist right coalition you have to put immigration first so if someone like

00:44:05.860 ron paul or thomas massey was to go ahead and outplaying trump on the right it would have to

00:44:11.720 be with stricter immigration policies would have to be with more aggressive immigration agendas

00:44:17.180 along with more aggressive anti-war agendas and other things and i just don't see either of them

00:44:21.780 making that move is that my misconception is is there any validity to that i hear that i think

00:44:27.400 massey has a better i don't have the data off the top of my head i apologize but i think massey has

00:44:32.600 a better voting record on immigration than people give him credit for but i hear you uh on on this

00:44:37.720 and in particular just yesterday i i posted in response to a post rand had put up on x and i i

00:44:46.420 like i like rand i he has many good qualities and and i will say even though i know he frustrates a

00:44:54.040 lot of people it is hard to be rand and it's hard to be thomas massey you have no idea the pressure

00:45:00.460 these people are under to conform sure it is extremely lonely and difficult to be them and

00:45:05.640 so we at least owe them the respect for that but i responded so he he'd said we need to make sure

00:45:12.160 that there remains you know a free market um uh forget what the second one was but relating to

00:45:18.420 free market uh anti-war voice on the right and i said uh rand you got to put anti-war number one

00:45:26.320 on that list because oh it was free trade there was a second one and i said you know free trade

00:45:30.980 is great but you know i put a bunch of z's there like no one's gonna rally to that i mean like we

00:45:36.500 already know that like why are we gonna why are we gonna launch something that we know no one's

00:45:39.940 gonna have any interest in you know like when i go when i go to the polling place i'm motivated by

00:45:43.980 cheaper flat screen tvs not not my ability to get a home or i mean take care of my children it's

00:45:48.680 flat screen tvs i care about but i i mean i can have a populist view on immigration and on lower

00:45:54.540 prices simultaneously i mean i can certainly make that case right but but my point was the what the

00:46:00.320 times call for now is is not really what the times might have called for 25 years ago maybe i think

00:46:06.200 it's different i think first of all there's a racket going on in involving uh the military

00:46:11.320 industrial complex and the making of foreign policy like there's a racket here and it involves

00:46:15.980 israel and a pack and a whole bunch of other people and if you're not going to make that at

00:46:21.940 least a major plank of what you're doing or it's just an afterthought and you don't talk about it

00:46:26.620 unless people ask you that's not what the times call for okay that is just not so whatever your

00:46:32.380 opinions on tariffs are that's not the primary thing people are thinking about i think massey

00:46:37.980 i i i used to think because initially when he um was elected he was uh very quiet very soft-spoken

00:46:46.520 you know he voted the way i liked but you know you wouldn't think of him as being a national figure

00:46:53.300 but i think he's gotten a bit more fire under him after he's you know observed years and years and

00:47:00.160 years of being that you know there are these memes of you know here's thomas massey at the

00:47:03.820 beginning of his term and he's all bright and smiley but here he is today and he's like a wreck

00:47:08.480 you know so i think that has had an effect on him but but they're not the only two i mean they're

00:47:13.400 the only two who could plausibly be called libertarians who would be in the mix because

00:47:18.300 of course there's jd vance even now even with the iran albatross uh he still has good numbers

00:47:24.920 you know the the political prediction markets still have him uh you know in the lead but i also

00:47:32.020 wonder i also wonder i know he said no i wouldn't do it but you know here's we were talking about

00:47:38.060 can you trust politicians sometimes when people say no i'm not going to run for office they're

00:47:42.560 not being entirely sincere and by that i'm thinking about tucker carlson because he is i know he

00:47:50.100 doesn't have political experience doesn't matter he is a fantastic communicator you know i am very

00:47:55.360 critical of people in terms of public speaking and stuff like that and yet with with with tucker

00:48:02.320 i listen to his monologues and i think i wouldn't change one syllable of that because the things

00:48:07.980 Part of the reason they hate him, it's not simply that he's had second thoughts about the U.S.-Israeli relationship.

00:48:15.220 It's that he's effective.

00:48:17.440 Those monologues do not make him sound crazy.

00:48:20.280 Just the opposite.

00:48:21.760 They make him sound reasonable, and the fact that everybody thinks he's crazy seems crazy.

00:48:26.900 So honestly, if he just wanted to get some ideas out there, he on that debate stage would be the best one

00:48:34.300 because he would be fully unrehearsed unrehearsed it wouldn't be slogans it wouldn't be bumper

00:48:40.220 stickers and he would be saying things nobody wants him to say and they'd all have to respond

00:48:44.740 with their slogans you know anti-semite or whatever and we could watch it all play out

00:48:49.140 so i i don't know i secretly want to see that happen i don't know how you feel about

00:48:53.180 that possibility i know it's probably very very slim but i think that would be i frankly think

00:48:58.640 that would be the best option well i mean i love tucker and i do think that you're right about one

00:49:04.040 thing for sure he has that that trump-esque uh quality of very charismatic in front of the camera

00:49:11.840 excellent delivery able to seal the stage uh knows how to deliver so he would have those things that

00:49:18.940 people liked about the trump movement plus more anti-war more skeptical of the israeli relationship

00:49:23.960 those kind of things i think there's a couple stumbling blocks to that first uh he's going to

00:49:28.400 be persona non grata with most of the gop at this point um that which way is not a bad

00:49:34.500 trait necessarily but means it's going to be hard for him to gain excuse me momentum well

00:49:40.540 especially in closed primaries you have to be a republican to vote right and also obviously he's

00:49:47.180 friends with jd vance so it seems unlikely that if vance is a you know leading candidate in that

00:49:52.380 scenario unless that you know friendship has somehow completely imploded which i don't think

00:49:57.360 has then it's that's it's probably unlikely so i i i hear you and i think that there is a reasonable

00:50:03.440 case to be made for that but i i would not put him in the calculus uh probably as a candidate

00:50:09.480 in 2020 but i would say he has everything i want and i really don't want quote experience i really

00:50:15.400 don't i want him to have people around him who know how the system works so that he can navigate

00:50:19.600 it but apart from that uh at this point who would want somebody with i mean and and with trump he

00:50:24.960 had no political experience either and even he uh you know got got pulled down into the muck i

00:50:30.800 don't i feel i i would be well i don't want to make any predictions i would be shocked if that

00:50:35.300 happened to tucker but no i i think that uh your point about him having he has the same things that

00:50:42.100 appealed to the populist base that trump had uh so in in that uh in that argument if nothing else

00:50:48.000 i think he would be a very unique candidate uh for that reason uh but like i said i just doubt

00:50:53.380 he would challenge vance in in 2028 i think if you were going to see anyone try to do it it would be

00:50:59.060 one of the more libertarian uh leaning candidates and so that's why i brought those up yeah um but

00:51:04.940 you know i don't i still think vance is probably the best choice uh but you know tell them if

00:51:09.620 they're going to hit you know from anywhere along with yes you have to make the discussion of

00:51:13.440 war and you know israeli influence a big part of it but also immigration they have to have

00:51:19.420 better positions or at least better rhetoric on immigration you have to start making me believe

00:51:24.660 that you take it seriously if you want to want to win my vote away from the current administration

00:51:29.380 even though i have the level of problems i have there that if you anti-war and uh you know

00:51:35.740 immigration restriction these are the one-two punch of populism in the united states i think

00:51:39.900 along with cost of living like that's the the three issues right now that would have the biggest

00:51:45.180 impact that anyone needs to be talking about. I wish Trump was talking about them, but here we are.

00:51:50.560 I liked your post from the other day. I have to restrain myself. I want to repost or retweet

00:51:57.960 everything you put there. But then I feel like, well, a lot of my people already follow you.

00:52:02.100 What am I doing here? But one of them that I liked was what you posted about this interesting

00:52:10.000 relationship between uh japan and the u.s involving respect for each other's cultures

00:52:16.100 and some of these these exchanges have been quite heartwarming and you were saying

00:52:20.700 this is what a normal person means by diversity that japan has japanese culture and america has

00:52:27.400 american culture and we have it because there were enough of us that we could develop our own culture

00:52:32.500 you know and that if if japan had no more japanese people and we just imported haitians

00:52:38.980 into japan that wouldn't really be japan anymore except you know it's have the same topography that

00:52:44.700 it had before but by no reasonable definition would it be japan and there's that is so obvious

00:52:50.780 to any reasonable person and speaking of nazi as we talked about earlier it's like you're a nazi

00:52:57.420 if you even say when i travel to japan i think i'd like to see japanese people well you know

00:53:04.140 who else like nazi or who else who like japan there uh oh that's a good guess who so you just

00:53:10.680 you just revealed you've revealed your ultimate allegiance there i'm sure james lindsey will be

00:53:15.300 furiously typing about your woke right screeds and support but you know but they're under this

00:53:18.760 tremendous uh pressure uh because of demographics to uh to open up to immigration and uh you know

00:53:27.280 if if that had jeez if that you know my my three of my three oldest daughters went on a trip to

00:53:32.960 japan a few months ago i paid for i thought it'd be a wonderful little adventure for them tokyo is

00:53:37.240 an extremely safe city i had nothing to worry about you know they're all in their early 20s

00:53:41.500 and they had the time of their lives but they came back and said you know it's funny there

00:53:45.200 really is it's a different experience from when you go to london and i'm not talking about because

00:53:49.560 of multiculturalism or when you go to iceland or some places they've been you definitely get

00:53:54.360 the distinct sense that you don't belong like everyone's courteous to you right but you are

00:53:59.360 not going to crack into this and they had nothing but respect for that that's fine we're not trying

00:54:04.420 to do that we just want to visit that's the actual relationship that you should have with other

00:54:10.340 cultures you can respect them you can love them you can find them beautiful and interesting and

00:54:14.980 then you go home and then you live in your culture and you make it better and that's how god actually

00:54:19.400 divided the nations it's actually in the bible it's almost like there's some kind of ordered

00:54:23.540 reality we have to respect when we organize human civilization because you know the divine has made

00:54:29.080 it so but whatever as long as we build this tower you see tom to to the sky to god then we we can

00:54:35.460 know all the things that we can control the world and that's really what it's all about uh but that

00:54:40.520 said uh we have a few questions from the audience do you have time to take those real quick yeah

00:54:44.380 sure why not excellent uh before we do where can people find your fantastic work uh well what i

00:54:52.440 often tell people is i have a site woodshistory.com i used to have behind a paywall uh two u.s history

00:54:59.940 courses taught from you know let's say our perspective uh and now i took them out from

00:55:04.880 behind the paywall and you can just get them at woodshistory.com so i'd probably refer people

00:55:09.280 there excellent a fantastic place to start for all things tom woods let's head to dan looks like dan

00:55:15.900 from the lotus eaters here he says if this war goes vietnam or afghanistan long how many

00:55:20.940 presidential cycles until one of the candidates offers to sever the relationship with Israel

00:55:25.120 completely and means it oh well okay I will answer the question but I'll start by saying

00:55:31.700 I don't accept the premise I can't imagine I cannot imagine this thing going that long yeah

00:55:36.200 me neither Afghanistan got started because of 9-11 and a lot of people supported that I mean

00:55:41.820 even Ron Paul voted for the authorization to use military force so they had that and then it

00:55:47.040 continued through inertia and also because of the sunk cost fallacy we can't leave now

00:55:52.500 so i don't see that playing out in this case but but so as not to be um you know unreasonable you

00:56:00.500 did ask a question let's stipulate that it does go that long uh i you know obviously i don't know

00:56:05.980 the exact number but i will say that i'm 53 and i'm in good health and i expect to be around a

00:56:13.280 while i hope that's the case and i expect in my lifetime that there will at least be presidential

00:56:19.680 candidates running on this running on that kind of platform i don't know that they get elected

00:56:25.660 because as we've seen uh democratic elections don't always translate until you get what you

00:56:31.740 what you ask for you know you go to this you know you we can we can make fun of free market

00:56:36.620 economics all we like but the and and flat screen tvs but when i go to the store and i buy a flat

00:56:41.400 screen tv i don't bring it home and open it and it's an alligator you know at least it's what i

00:56:45.740 thought i was getting unfortunately it doesn't work that way with this system well you know give

00:56:51.300 say what you want about libertarians at least hop is correct about how democracy works right like

00:56:57.000 he's got that doubt you got you got to give that 100 credit there is a strand of libertarianism

00:57:02.260 fully understands the democracy problem if nothing else thank you uh bram zwingle says fed post fed

00:57:08.360 post fed post no sir we will avoid the temptation the no fbi agents through my door but thank you

00:57:13.480 very much for your support i understand the impulse but we are all emotionally continent

00:57:18.040 responsible actors in this moment and wise speaker says i want our politicians invested in us i don't

00:57:24.680 want them invested in some conflict between a religious fanatical anti-western trigger happy

00:57:28.920 middle eastern regime and iran i see what you did there well can i say um yes in in 2008 the same

00:57:37.900 week that uh john mccain was being nominated in the twin cities in minnesota in the other one of

00:57:44.560 the twins i forget which was minnesota or minneapolis or st paul doesn't matter but in

00:57:48.960 the other one of the twin cities from the where the gop convention was uh ron paul held his own

00:57:53.860 convention and he he he did not call it a counter convention but we all knew that's what it was it

00:57:58.280 was one day long and he asked me who's a good anti-war speaker who's the best anti-war speaker

00:58:04.100 you can come up with so i came up with a guy most people will not have heard of and that's author

00:58:07.560 bill kaufman he gave the speech of the day by far and he focused on exactly this point he said

00:58:14.920 you can't have a healthy home and a global empire he says you can't care about baghdad

00:58:22.140 and your own backyard he says mccain chooses baghdad but we choose our front porch you know

00:58:29.180 our front porches uh our rock and roll clubs volunteer fire departments uh sandlot baseball

00:58:36.520 diamonds and he's listing all these wonderful beautiful things about our wonderful country

00:58:41.160 you know the the old america that these people you know have just it just doesn't mean anything

00:58:47.680 to them but it means everything to us and i thought that is that that was the speech of the

00:58:52.700 day that was the speech of the day so i'm just i'm just echoing the sentiment of the of the

00:58:58.680 of the statement here absolutely it's it's real simple you can put america first or you can put

00:59:03.620 the empire first there's all there is to it i'm not naive i understand that empires are a natural

00:59:09.580 uh formation of human civilization i agree with the huntington thesis that you're going to have

00:59:15.740 some level of regional uh influence that you have to have as a civilizational cornerstone

00:59:21.200 which america is but that empire should go to like mexico and canada it shouldn't be reaching to

00:59:28.180 afghanistan or iran or singapore like these are not the natural boundaries of your civilizational

00:59:35.360 block if you're thinking of of kind of empires in that classical formation that's the way to

00:59:40.760 understand them not as this global maintenance that you have to do constantly ignoring the core

00:59:46.160 conditions of the people at home that said tom fantastic speaking with you always as always

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 30, 2026

Boots on the Ground in Iran, Major Scandal in Ukraine ｜ Guest： Tom Woods ｜ 3⧸30⧸26

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