'But Who Will Pick the Cotton?' The Liberal Case for Mass Immigration | 10⧸16⧸24
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In this episode of The Orencast, host Oren Karnazes dives deep into immigration and why it's a critical issue for the 2020 Democratic primary candidates. He explains why immigration is so critical to Donald Trump's campaign, and why the Democratic candidates are ignoring it.
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So today's show, I want to dive into the question of immigration.
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Now, obviously, this is something that we talk about a lot on the show.
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This is a critical issue, something that we focus on on a regular basis.
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But there's been a very interesting shift in the vibe, I think, recently.
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Immigration has always been a huge issue for Donald Trump.
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It's really what skyrocketed him to the front of the pack,
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is one of the few people who was truly strong when it came to his language on immigration,
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being willing to address that issue, why it's so devastating to the American population.
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But we've seen a cavalcade of stories that really just highlight how critical this issue is.
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We've seen the takeover of apartment buildings by criminal gangs in Aurora, Colorado.
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We've seen the devastation that a giant migrant population can bring to towns like Springfield, Ohio,
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and others which have been noted for the large displacement of their population perpetrated by the federal government
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and other NGO actors coordinating to make sure that many of these red-leaning areas
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have very different populations come the next few election cycles.
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It's very obvious that the government isn't just messing up the border.
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It's not that they're just managing the border poorly.
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It's that they're actively implementing a plan that is devastating to the American population.
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And I think it's really important that we focus on this continuously because as we get closer and closer
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to the election, to the actual voting process, in fact, early voting has already started in many states,
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we have to understand that the Democrats are continuing to pursue this line,
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even though we recognize the danger of the border, even though we get some kind of vague hand-waving
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from Kamala Harris about, I need someone to pass a bill so I can actually enforce the border.
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Ultimately, what we see is that the Democrats continue to push the line that replacement immigration is good,
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that it's critical, that we need to build pathways to citizenship, amnesty, all of this stuff.
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They pretend like illegals aren't going to vote in the election, and then the Department of Justice
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goes after states like Virginia for removing illegal voters from the rolls.
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The only reason to do that is you plan to cheat, and it's very clear that the Democrats plan to do this.
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In fact, they will often just kind of announce it accidentally.
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And so I want to go through some of the stories, the headlines over the last week,
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because I think it's important to look at these arguments, understand why the Democrats are still making them,
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why guys like Bill Clinton seem to be almost campaigning for Trump,
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So, like I said, there's been a number of different stories in the media.
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J.D. Vance did a devastating interview with one of the Sunday morning talk shows
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that really highlighted how horrible the media is on this,
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how little the media elites care about the American people.
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And I think, you know, Bill Clinton embarrassed Kamala Harris repeatedly.
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Like I said, kind of seemed like he was almost campaigning for Donald Trump on some level.
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But I want to start here because I think this is really important.
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This is a video of, you know, some workers picking vegetables in a field.
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And the commenter here, the person who posted this, this post went huge.
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As you can see, it's got like 17,000 retweets, 80,000 likes.
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He says, every MAGA I've seen complain about immigrants taking American jobs would never do this.
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So one of the really interesting things that you see over and over again from the left
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is an economic argument that more or less boils down to, but who's going to pick the cotton, right?
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Like who is going to pick the cotton, guys?
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If we don't let a large amount, a vast amount of people come in and work for slave wages,
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make sure that they have to live in this, you know, illegal existence, get paid under the table,
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you know, not integrate into the larger community.
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If we don't bring people in who are just going to funnel all this money that they're making back to
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people living in, you know, in the host countries that came from,
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if we don't bring in this labor, if we don't undercut American workers,
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well, then, then just no one's going to do the job, right?
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We have to have the slave labor that is provided by illegal immigrants,
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because otherwise there's just no way that we could, we could eat food.
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Before vast illegal immigration, you may not have known this,
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but before vast illegal immigration, Americans did not have farms.
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We did not have food. We just all starved all the time.
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It was only by bringing in these huge quantities of people who are not supposed to be here,
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you know, make sure that they bring in human trafficking.
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We want to make sure that we have as many gang members as possible.
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Before this technology of bringing in people for super low rate wages,
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we just did not have food in the United States.
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So this amazing innovation of people who will do farming work.
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Oftentimes, conservatives will just play this off.
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They'll be like, oh, well, you know, the jobs, it's not that big a deal.
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No, you do actually need to pay people enough, right?
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their own countries are in such a terrible position, perhaps,
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where they will do these jobs even for very low wages,
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wages well below a living standard in the United States.
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but let's just go to the old standard here, the Roman Empire.
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Many people think about the Civil War in the Roman,
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you know, the transition between the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire,
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the Civil War that broke out between Julius Caesar and Pompey,
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A lot of people think of that as the central time in Roman history,
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the real turning of destiny inside the Roman Empire.
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One of the reasons this is such a pivotal time,
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this is something that people who just kind of have the cliff notes of this time
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may not be aware of, but if you've gone any deeper,
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One of the key problems that was occurring during that time in the Roman Empire
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was that large, wealthy landowners controlled all of the property.
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There was an accumulation of property in the hands of the aristocracy.
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And that made it very difficult for the average Roman to be just kind of this citizen farmer.
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By the way, this is also Thomas Jefferson's vision for what America would be,
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that the citizen farmer would own a certain plot of land,
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he would work that land, that would be sustainable for him,
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that would give him a certain level of dignity,
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that allowed him to operate separate from the state.
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but he's not dependent on the central apparatus,
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the man who's worthy of citizenship because he was a farmer.
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And this is how Romans understood this as well.
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One of the things that made you a citizen worthy of being able to vote,
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for instance, in the Roman Republic was the fact that you own land,
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what a good independent man contributing to the state looked like.
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This is why the story of Cincinnatus is another touch point in Roman history,
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because it's the idea that this guy gives up the dictatorship,
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even though the people are basically begging him to be king.
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Because ultimately that's what a Roman is.
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who gives up this power and returns back to his productive membership as a farm.
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And so what many men who fought in the Roman legion were looking for was land.
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This is what the Roman Senate often promised to men who were fighting in the legions,
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it's much better than money because once you had that piece of land,
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It was an inheritance that would go from father to son that would sustain the family
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for generation after generation after generation.
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This is what defined kind of that Roman independence that I am worthy of participating in warfare.
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I am worthy of participating in the democracy or the Republic,
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I am a free man providing for myself and my family and contributing to the community because I have this.
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And what happened is that more and more of the property was being bought up by these large owners,
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And what they wanted to do is not hire Romans.
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And so a large amount of Roman wealth started to be held in slaves.
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we think of currency as something easy now because we,
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It used to be that currency was very difficult to carry.
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heavy metal in order to use it and to store it.
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And so oftentimes wealth is stored in other ways.
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And one of the other ways it's stored was in slaves because slaves were this,
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they are the thing that gets most of the labor done.
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you can't just build a tractor to do the job of a hundred men.
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You actually need the physical labor of these guys on a regular basis to get the work done.
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And the Roman oligarchs didn't want to pay Roman citizens for that work.
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And so Roman citizens couldn't own their own land because so much of it was being bought up
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making basically what were plantations at the time.
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And the Roman and the Romans could not work for wages because the oligarchs didn't want to pay
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The landowners didn't want to pay them a wage that would actually allow them to live.
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They just wanted to have free slave labor.
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It's just that they don't want to do jobs for slave wages.
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They want to do jobs that will allow them to pay for a house, to pay for their kid's education,
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which will allow them to build generational wealth.
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They want a wage that is actually going to let them afford a healthcare bill, right?
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Like these are the things that people want their wages to do.
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Well, companies don't need to pay you that wage if they can import someone who will work
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Who will work for much, much less money because they don't care.
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Their healthcare is being subsidized by the government.
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A lot of the costs of this labor that would normally be calculated into a wage for an
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American are subsidized by our government for illegals.
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They're only cheap labor for the company, for the large owner of the land.
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In this case, they are only a value for the people who are getting the direct benefit of
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the labor, not for the wider workforce, because not only do the wages get depressed because
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of this, the people are less likely to pay an American a living wage because there is
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somebody from a foreign country here illegally who will do that job for way cheaper, but
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they also know that that person is ultimately going to be subsidized for the government.
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When one of these workers needs healthcare, they're not going to a normal doctor.
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They're going to an emergency room and they're not going to pay a dollar for the healthcare
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they get in that emergency room because they know that the emergency room is required to
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And so that employee who's getting no healthcare benefits, isn't getting enough money to pay
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That's not that they're just not going to the doctor, though sometimes they do.
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That people are just not getting any healthcare at all.
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But when they do get the healthcare, it is entirely subsidized by you, people who actually
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pay their insurance premiums and by the government, who is often subsidizing this.
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We know in, for instance, many of the Haitian immigrants brought into Ohio were being directly
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They were getting all kinds of healthcare benefits paid for by the government, educational
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So it's privatizing the benefits of this low wage labor, but socializing the costs of it,
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You don't get the benefit of making money off of low wage labor, but you do pay all the
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costs that the government is then socializing by absorbing all of the things that the corporation
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would have to pay for if they were paying Americans.
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And so this is a very constant refrain is, well, Americans would just never do these
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When I worked in Florida, I worked on air conditioning, like all kinds of stuff, not for a long time.
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I'm not going to pretend like I've just been this hard driving, working class guy my entire
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If you pay them enough, if you pay them enough money, these jobs will get done.
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A lot of guys who are sitting out and we don't talk about this enough, the, the, the workforce
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participation rate, you know, it's not just unemployment.
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It's the people who have completely dropped out of the economy and are not looking for jobs
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And the reason is because they simply know that they're not going to make any kind of wage.
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It's going to be better than whatever government assistance they receive.
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And so, yeah, these jobs aren't the first thing a lot of people would choose.
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It's not great to make a living with your body for 20, 30 years.
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It does have a certain wear and tear on your body.
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You know, there are people, uh, who, who have to deal with that and it's not the first choice
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for some people, but there are plenty of people who are happy to, you know, not everyone is
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going to have an office job and that everyone wants to be inside staring at a laptop or,
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you know, uh, mindlessly droning through their phone as people complain about what's on the
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Some people want to work with their hands and more people will want to do that and discover
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the advantages of that if they can make an actual living wage office.
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You know, we don't, we don't bring in the slave labor.
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Or then what we, you know, Americans aren't going to do it.
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It shows you how little the left cares about workers, the working class, and even the well-being
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Because their only solution to this problem is, well, then we just legalize everybody.
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Americans aren't going to do this slave labor job.
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Also, we need to turn everyone in here into an American.
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So as soon as they become an American, they can't work for these under the table wages.
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We are actively looking to phase these style of jobs out.
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The corporations are looking at these labor pools and they're saying, actually, it would
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just be better if we could figure out how to get a machine to do this.
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And you see many different advancements in these areas.
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So if we are automating, automating, rather, sorry, so many of these jobs, and we are bringing
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in vast numbers of illegal immigrants to do jobs, we are actively looking to eliminate.
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You know, what happens when you bring in tens of millions of people to do jobs you're phasing
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Well, we don't really need to be hypothetical about that.
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We don't, we don't have to just cast about what the possible futures could be.
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Look at places in Europe that have Muslim populations, large immigrant populations that
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have come in where 40% or more of the young men are unemployed.
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It's, it's creating people with no purpose, no connection to the country, no interest in
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They become gang members because that's what happens to young men who don't have jobs.
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When you have young men who can't default into manual labor, they go to something like
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There are certain numbers of people who could only do jobs like this and only want to do
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jobs like this or only capable of doing jobs like this.
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And you need to have them available so that they don't resort to crime because if they don't
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have a future, if they don't have a way to be productive in society, that's what we're
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And so now we're moving a vast number of people who don't speak the language, who aren't connected
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to the culture, who have a, uh, have a higher rate of bringing in things like fentanyl,
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human trafficking, increasing the likelihood that we will see crime spikes across the United
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Illegal immigrants don't just cross the border and then disappear.
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They go to the, uh, or to the starter housing that a lot of people rely on when they're
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young or, or, or in the, uh, workforce and are trying to move their way up and haven't
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All of the duplexes, places where a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford
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housing in, you know, like a, like a four bedroom home, somewhere in a suburb, the places
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where they go for housing, all of the prices explode in those areas, along with crime, along
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with, you know, automobile accidents, all these other things that devastate those communities.
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So now you're making it hard for a working, uh, age, uh, you know, a young man who wants
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to get onto the ladder, doesn't have a lot of other prospects.
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You're making it difficult for him to find a job.
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If he can't find a job, he's got to fight for that job with a bunch of people who are
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willing to do the work for extremely low wages.
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And even when he finally makes that money, he has to go compete for housing with a bunch
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And now the cost of that housing is skyrocketed.
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That's not even addressing the, the, you know, the strain that is put on the school
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system, the strain that is put on the medical care facilities, all of this, all of this,
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but it all just disappears because say, Oh, it's good for the economy.
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Now I want to go to another video, uh, of Bill Clinton here talking again.
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It sounds like Bill Clinton joined the Trump campaign from his talking points here, but
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let's, let's play a video real quick of Bill Clinton discussing, uh, why he thinks we
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When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from winners, I started
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wondering, is every fabulous item I see from winners?
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Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag.
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A new direction to manage an immigration crisis in a tough time where there's all this upheaval
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all over the world, where there are border problems all over the world, where millions
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of people are trying to escape the misery they're in.
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And other people are saying, well, I want to do what I can and take what I can, but maybe
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In other words, I don't think Americans are anti-immigration.
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They, they don't want us to do more than we can.
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So here, I'm going to continue this video in a second because it gets much worse for him.
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But I do just want to point out the argument being made here is basically we should be for
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No, no, no real case made just because other people are having a tough time somewhere else
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So in Bill Clinton's understanding, immigration, it's basically our job to absorb all people
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across the world who are having a tough time, who live in a bad country.
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I hate to tell you this, but there are a lot of people who live in bad countries.
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In fact, many countries outside the United States are just terrible countries.
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And so a lot of people would rather live here in the United States than in the countries where
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If I was one of them, I would also want to live in the United States.
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I don't blame people for wanting to live in a better country.
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One of the reasons our country is great is because it's full of Americans.
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Americans and because it's going to be looking out for Americans.
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And actually, we're going to focus on the well-being of the United States.
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It's not our job to invite the rest of the world to come here and save them from every
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That's actually not the purpose of the United States.
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It is not just a zone where people who don't like the current country they're in can come
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That's actually not what the United States is supposed to be.
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And so really, we should just bring as many people in as possible.
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So what they really want is large-scale immigration, but just only as much as we can handle without
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Well, no, that's actually not what people want.
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In fact, if you look at American polls, Americans are against immigration.
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In fact, until about 20 years ago, even the left was rabidly against illegal immigration,
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and the majority of Americans were very skeptical even about legal immigration.
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And to this day, more Democrats actually want, you know, a large percentage, I should say,
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They're actually supportive of mass deportations.
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Bill Clinton is just lying about what Americans want.
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They don't want legal or illegal immigration at a vast scale.
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Just because you wave your wand over immigrants and call them legal doesn't mean it's okay.
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This is what a lot of people tried with the large amount of Haitian immigration into Ohio.
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They're like, well, the Harris administration declared them under, you know, this like special
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You can bring in the entire country of Haiti and it's all legal because we, you know, we
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We can just fly them in, which the government literally does.
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We just fly people in and say, you're, you're here legally now.
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No, actually, Bill Clinton, that's not what anyone wants.
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This is a project specifically by the ruling class for the ruling class has nothing to do
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with what Americans, what benefits to Americans.
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We will feed ourselves or we'll automate the process.
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And actually, those people in foreign countries who are in bad countries, I feel for them.
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But ultimately, sorry, that is not the job of this country.
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It is not the job of this country to absorb every human being having a rough time.
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That's not what our immigration policy should be.
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It's not what the people of America want, even people on the left for the most part.
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But they recognize, at least most people do, we got the lowest birth rate we've had in
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We're not at replacement level, which means we got to have somebody come here if we want
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Unless one of you is one of these artificial intelligence geniuses and figured out how we
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As you say, there is actually automation occurring.
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So it's very stupid to rush out and fill our country with people just for the purpose of
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bringing in people to do jobs that are literally being phased out as fast as possible as we
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But you'll notice the more important thing there is he really gave up the game, right?
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Remember, the Great Replacement is a conspiracy theory.
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It's, you know, Tucker Carlson, you know, he dreamed it up in his propaganda lab somewhere,
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probably with the help of Vladimir Putin, except actually Bill Clinton just told you
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Because this is what Democrats do all the time.
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They call this a conspiracy theory and then they openly advocate for it and they give
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their exact logic and their logic is we have to replace you.
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Listen to what he said there and how nefarious it is, right?
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Oh, well, you know, we don't have people at replacement rate.
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That is a serious issue for, especially when we have a system that is built on malignant
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Now, I think we should build a system that is not built entirely around growth.
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Actually, we should allow for the natural swelling and yes, contracting of populations
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that are, it's normal to a lot of different civilizations.
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It's not great that populations contract, but it is to a level, to a degree natural, at
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We should probably build a system that is not just a Ponzi scheme.
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We should probably not build a welfare state that is entirely dependent on us growing forever
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That is not the way to build an economy, to build a system, to build a government.
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So that's a problem with our system all by itself.
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However, given that we do want to actually have replacement rates and when it comes to
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births, we actually do want Americans to have a future.
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Then we need to think about the problem of Americans and why they aren't doing that,
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But, you know, there are things that you can do to help, right?
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There are policies in our government right now that are anti-family, anti-child.
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One of them is mass immigration, by the way, because it's much harder for native-born Americans
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to start families when they have to compete for healthcare, jobs, benefits, housing, all
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these other things with people who aren't supposed to be here.
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So your policies are actively anti-birth rate increase, right?
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I think we should think of ways in which we can reward people for having families, facilitate
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But this is a much deeper spiritual issue, right?
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Ultimately, this is not just a material problem.
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You know, you had guys like Augustus, like Octavian, implement policies that punished Roman
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That was a huge thing that he tried to do because the Romans were having a similar problem when
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If you look back at the Spartans, the Spartans had a policy where basically you were not actually
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That was something, if you were someone who refused to take a wife as a Spartan, that could
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actually get you ostracized, you would lose the ability for certain social advancements,
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Now, we used to have these benefits kind of just culturally built in, right?
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People didn't trust a president who didn't have children or a family.
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You know, it would be if you weren't a family man in a business, that would be something that
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You know, why aren't you participating in kind of this normal social behavior?
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But ultimately, it's not just those negative features of social pressure.
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Like, do Americans see themselves as a people with a future?
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Do they see themselves as people on the ascent?
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Do you, are you excited about the future and do you want to share it with another generation?
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Religious people just undeniably have more children.
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You know, they are people who see themselves in a position where they are, they have a
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They look to spread their faith, not just through conversions, but through procreation.
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They are being fruitful and multiplying because it's a biblical injunction.
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And so these are all issues that surround this.
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But rather than address any of those, don't address the material, economic, social, spiritual,
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It's not, you're not doing any kind of hypothetical here.
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We have to import people or we just won't be able to keep the economy running.
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Now, I'm young enough to remember, or old enough, I guess this is probably the right
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I am old enough to remember when this was, you know, a terrible thing for the left to
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At the end of the day, all we care about is the cotton gets picked.
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At the end of the day, the cotton has to get picked.
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And so we will import all the slave labor we need to pick the cotton.
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And if you're not willing to do that, then you're, you know, part of this problem.
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You know, you're, you're going to doom the economy.
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The right has been just as guilty of this, especially mainstream conservatives, neoconservative
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You know, this, this is very much in that vein, right?
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The Koch brothers, you know, Bernie Sanders used to say very correctly that this was, you
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know, there's a Koch brothers conspiracy of open borders.
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Of course, Bernie Sanders eventually changed that tune because he wanted power or he thought
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he would make a run inside the democratic party.
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You know, they, they just stabbed him in the back.
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But ultimately, you know, he changed his tune because it's important on the left to pretend
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like the economic reality of lowering people's wages through mass immigration isn't real.
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They don't care about your ability to have a family or a home or pay for healthcare or
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They don't want you to be able to have that farm.
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They don't want you to be able to have that, that proverbial farm, that independence, that
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Jeffersonian idea of the, you know, the, the, the noble farmer in the United States earning
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That is exactly the opposite of what they want.
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They want dependent people who require the state for their very existence and will vote
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And Bill Clinton just gives it away right here.
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Like I said, it felt like he was campaigning for Trump.
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Here's another video of him saying something quite amazing.
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You had a case in Georgia not very long ago, didn't you?
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They made an ad about, about a young woman who'd been killed by an immigrant.
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Yeah, well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't have happened.
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But if they all properly vetted and that doesn't happen, I'm Donald J. Trump.
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I love that someone just, uh, ended the Trump bumper in there at the end, like it, like it's
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Like his, his, what he's trying to say here is, well, we have to bring everyone through
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You know, we'll just bring in everyone through the process first.
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We've seen the data from ice that actually, uh, we are letting in tens of millions or sorry,
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tens of thousands of, uh, of rapists and murders.
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Those are the only the ones they're admitting to.
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They said over half a million immigrants who came in, uh, under the, uh, the Biden Harris
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regime were criminals and tens of thousands of them were either guilty of rape or, and,
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and murder, or they were charged with it and, and had charges pending that is coming into
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And this, again, these are the people we know about.
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You are not vetting people, even the people who are going through the process in theory
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And he even admits if we, you know, if, if we, you know, we didn't have those people
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here, Lincoln Riley would be alive today actually, but we didn't do that.
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And we're not going to do that, but you should let these people in any way, because, well,
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if you don't, then, uh, who's going to pick the cotton, right?
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Lincoln, Lincoln Riley had to die because if you don't let people like Lincoln Riley
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die, then who, you know, you won't, we won't have cheap vegetables, which, you know, your
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So it looks like all those cheap labor is actually not holding down your food prices, but whatever.
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We don't, they don't have to have any basis in reality.
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We don't really even think about them at this point.
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It, it, it, even when, you know, they're on the stump speech and Bill Clinton can't even
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deliver the talking points about vetting immigrants and the economic necessity of immigrants without
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saying, by the way, yeah, they might murder your kids.
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And yeah, by the way, they're probably going to replace you.
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Like you can't even get through the talking points without admitting all of the actual conservative
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or right-wing arguments against what is happening here, but they do it anyway.
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Now, this last video is probably the most amazing one.
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Last Sunday doing the, the, the rounds, you know you have JD Vance on ABC and just, just
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Let me, let me play this amazing interview moment for you.
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The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment conflicts, apartment complexes.
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And the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns, a handful of
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Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs and Donald
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Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's open border.
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Americans are so fed up with what's going on and they have every right to be.
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And I really find this exchange, Martha, sort of interesting because you seem to be more focused
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with nitpicking everything that Donald Trump has said rather than acknowledging that apartment
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complexes in the United States of America are being taken over by violent gangs.
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I worry so much more about that problem than anything else here.
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We've got to get American communities in a safe space again.
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And unfortunately, when you let people in by the millions, most of whom are unvetted,
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most of whom you don't know who they really are, you're going to have problems like this.
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Now, first I want to acknowledge before we even get to the content of the video, how good
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And, um, you know, I supported JD Vance to be the vice presidential pick more or less from
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As soon as his name was being floated on the shortlist, uh, I made that evident.
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There's, there's multiple, uh, you know, recordings of me, episodes of me doing that tweets, whatnot.
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You can check those, the receipts if you'd like.
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But as soon as he got announced, there was this, this effort to say, Oh, JD Vance is weird.
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And a lot of people on the right, especially the never Trump guys, like they're really,
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really, uh, you know, bitter people who, uh, you know, just hate Trump and, and, and, and
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MAGA stuff and are just constantly, they bought into this.
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He's a, he's a, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, wait on the ticket.
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He's an anchor around Trump's neck, albatross, blah, blah, blah.
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This was the line that even a lot of, uh, never Trump conservatives or, you know, people
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who, who they don't call themselves never Trump, but you, you know, exactly what I'm talking
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about, they, they gave us this idea that JD Vance was just a terrible pick and JD Vance
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has proven over and over again, whether it's leaving Tim Waltz, basically six feet under
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in their debate, or just throwing the media on their back on a regular basis, just judo
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moving them over and over again with the, uh, with the most incredible ease.
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He has proven himself to be an excellent choice, right?
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He, he is in many ways better than Trump when it comes to handling the media.
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And Trump is already very good at handling the media.
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He dismisses them very, you know, very effective, uh, you know, support that not, not, not knocking
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that in any way, but JD Vance does it in the way that a lot of, um, how do we say, uh,
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very upright, uh, stodgy conservatives wanted, right?
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I don't want Donald Trump making fun of people is a problem.
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I want a policy-based, well, here's JD Vance, right?
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If you still have a problem with the Trump campaign with JD Vance saying stuff like that,
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turning the tables like that, then I think you're just not a Republican.
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You should just go, just stop pretending like you care.
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Like JD Vance is giving you exactly what you want, right?
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He's effective at reframing, rejecting the frame of the media, and then flipping it and
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coming around and saying, actually, you're the problem.
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And the fact that people, you know, we're down on him about this.
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If someone said that, you should remember that when they then give you another piece
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of political commentary, when they then give you another piece of political advice.
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And they were, in most cases, motivated because they were just, they had a large amount
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JD Vance is exactly what you pretended you wanted Trump to be.
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The actual answer is really important because as he points out to this host, this ABC host,
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she says, oh, well, they said it's just a handful.
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It's just a handful of apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado.
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The correct number of apartment complexes being owned by foreign gangs, being controlled by
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foreign gangs, being turned into no-go zones by foreign gangs in the United States is zero.
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There are a lot of very important issues in our society.
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I support a wide array of things to address them.
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But if I'm going to be a single issue voter, here's my single issue.
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No apartment complex in the United States should be owned by a foreign gang.
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No American should have to fear Venezuelan gangs or huge populations of Haitian migrants in
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their hometown, controlling areas and making it impossible for them to live their lives.
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And the United States military should be deployed at the border to stop this.
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Every police officer should have the ability to immediately remove someone on the basis of
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their immigration status and get them deported immediately, not through a number of hearings
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and are this, this person contributing and do they have family here?
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These people should not be in the United States and the most certainly should not be
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threatening the lives of humans in the United States.
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The people of the United States deserve to live in safety.
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They deserve a neighborhood where their kids can grow up and play outside, where they can
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I got the gray, you know, but I'm not that old.
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I remember being able to ride the bike across town, go miles and miles.
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In my hometown and my parents didn't think about it twice because we lived in a high
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There were no Venezuelan gangs holding up apartments in the places where I grew up.
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It's just a, it's just a few apartment complexes.
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It's just a few children being human trafficked.
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It's just a few neighborhoods being completely obsolesced by foreign populations being brought
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It's just a few people who can't afford housing because it's skyrocketed.
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It's just a few people who can't get health care because they are at the back of the line
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behind illegal immigrants subsidized by the United States.
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Actually, it's a massive amount and we know it.
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But even if it wasn't a lie, even if it was just a handful, that would be enough.
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It would be worth it just to save the people in that situation.
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And that's what J.D. Vance is calling out here.
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She does not care if your kids die because they don't get health care.
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She does not care if you cannot afford housing.
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She does not care if an illegal immigrant murders your child.
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She does not care if your kid dies from an OD that came through, you know,
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laced drug drugs, laced with fentanyl that came through a drug mule.
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In fact, as we see from Bill Clinton, maybe you deserve it.
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Maybe that's just the cost of the economy, right?
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You actually want to make enough money to pay for health care and pay for a house
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I mean, you're not voting Democrat anyway, right?
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Well, that's just the part, you know, part of life now.
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As the, I think it was Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London,
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that's part and parcel of living in a city now.
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It's not this, you know, I think the Covfefe Anon is a great Twitter poster.
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And he's got this thing about the liberal passive voice,
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how leftists are always speaking as if things just happen to them.
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This part and parcel of living in a society like this.
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It's the cost of doing business to have a functioning economy.
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You are choosing to let foreign gangs literally conquer.
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If you don't understand this, I don't know how to explain it more clearly,
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These gangs are conquering the United States in the most real way possible.
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When you hold territory that American citizens cannot enter or cannot safely occupy,
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and you are a collection of foreigners, you have conquered that area.
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We can look like other European nations who have this scenario.
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They've imported so many people who always seem to move together.
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It's a funny thing about this immigration.
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It's never one or two people assimilating into the wider culture.
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It's always large blocks of people from the same region, the same ethnicity, the same nationality,
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moving into an area, creating a ghetto, a culture that is their own, a space that is their
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And in these areas in Europe, there are these no-go zones, no-go zones.
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You just can't go in as a police officer because they don't control that area more.
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That area is effectively conquered with the assent of the government.
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The government has said, we were going to move populations in, and then we're going to
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make it more or less illegal to police those populations.
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If you police those populations, you're a racist.
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All of these things, if you notice that these populations are dangerous,
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you're, you're a racist, you're going to get fired.
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You're going to lose your ability to have a bank account.
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You're not going to be able to speak in public.
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Like this is, this is the regime we actually live under.
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This is the way that Americans are actually treated.
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And we can see where this goes in different European countries.
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So the fact that she's just like, oh, well, it's just a few, no, no.
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Just a few areas being conquered by illegal immigrant gangs is a problem.
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That is a, it's not just a, a small happenstance.
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And the fact that this is all being facilitated by the government, this would not be happening
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if we did not have an explicit open borders policy.
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Kamala Harris doesn't need a single bill passed.
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Joe Biden doesn't need a single bill passed to police the border.
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In fact, they actively removed Trump's executive orders that allowed them to do that.
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They don't care if the borders open, they are not fighting against a, an open border.
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They are maliciously facilitating a hostile invasion of the United States.
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They are stealing your tax money that should be paying for your children's healthcare, your
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children's education, your ability to have a safe, a safe place to raise your family.
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They are stealing that money and they are using it to subsidize the invasion of literally
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apartment complexes where working class people should be living.
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And the fact that people like this host, this ABC host are so incredibly callous that they,
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They are so wildly out of touch because they know they are never going to face the consequences
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because they have enough social privilege and enough money to avoid this, right?
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The, the old joke is, uh, you know, the college is there, like, uh, elite colleges are there
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to give you the right opinion about diversity and enough money to avoid the consequences.
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This is a woman who will never live in a neighborhood that is overrun by illegal immigrant crime.
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She will never not be able to get a home or afford rent for her family because they have
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all skyrocketed because illegal immigrants have taken over the working class housing in
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She will never fail to get a job that will support, uh, her family or her lifestyle because
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an illegal immigrant has coming in and taken that job and made that, uh, working that job
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And in the rare situations where they do, many of these people become basically neoconservatives
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I predicted over a year ago that she was on the trajectory to basically become one of these.
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I'm not the, the, I didn't leave the left, left, left me neoconservative types.
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I know there's another connotation with Zionism and, and, and stuff.
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And, but I'm speaking specifically simply, you know, simply about the old line, a, uh,
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And so there are some of these people like Anna Kasparian who are basically sprinting
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to the right at this point because they felt the effects of, of violent crime, because
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they affect, uh, the effects of lawlessness have actually impacted them and their community.
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So maybe some of these people will eventually run into some kind of reality and realize,
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oh, actually we do need some level of law and order.
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And actually maybe open borders aren't the best thing for us.
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But ultimately many of these people will simply continue to push these policies because they're
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never going to feel the pain, or at least they'll be eaten last.
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And until then it sustains their lifestyle and keeps them in power.
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All right, guys, we're going to move over to the questions of the people here.
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You want fair elections and no glorified slave underclass.
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We have to care about the native populace, uh, the smart left.
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Again, this, this is the attitude they take over and over again.
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And the, the hilarious thing is basically every one of their arguments boils down to,
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Someone's got to pick the cotton and you deserve to be replaced.
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These are their, their, their two real arguments for legal immigration.
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They might make other ones, but if you listen to them long enough, they always default to
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Sorry, we have to have slave labor and, or you deserve to be replaced by that slave labor.
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That, that, that is exactly how they try to sell this at the end of the day or justify
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Uh, Florida Henry says, it seems to me that a concentration of wealth causes birth collapse
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And now America, there is a very real point here.
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And this is a, a serious problem that has to be addressed.
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There is, um, you know, the, the idea of wealth inequality is often very overblown by
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There is a, uh, a level at which, uh, this is kind of just jealousy rhetoric coming out
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of the left, but there is also a certain point at which we need to recognize that the system
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And that does create a situation in which people simply don't want children.
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Now, to be clear, abundance also seems to be a part of this formula.
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Actually, the more affluent and modernized people have it, uh, often the, the fewer children,
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In fact, there are many situations that, you know, you can think of, you know, many countries
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where, uh, some kind of Sultan is a multi-zillionaire, right?
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They're making tons of money off of, uh, you know, the oil or whatever, and then the rest
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of their country's in poverty, but they still have, um, more children than people in the
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Uh, even though they're in, in the wealth concentration, the disparity in wealth is much
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Uh, you can even think, you know, look at a place like, uh, like North versus South Korea.
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The birth rates in North Korea are higher than they are in South Korea.
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Now that doesn't mean I'd want to live in North Korea, but you know, there's obviously
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terrible conditions that people live there, uh, you know, in there, you know, the, the,
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the material conditions of people who are in the ruling class in North Korea are vastly
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superior to anyone in, you know, the, the, the average populace in North Korea, but they're
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still having more children than people in South Korea, even though those people are much
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Now that doesn't mean there aren't wealth disparity issues in South Korea, but my point being is
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I agree with you, Florida, Henry, that is an issue and it is something that should be
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But I think also we need to, you know, if we, if we look at the totality of the situation,
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if we look at counter examples, we can point to the fact that this is not the only cause,
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Uh, the, the, this is a problem that pops up in the civilizations you're citing.
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We shouldn't, you know, do the, what is often the conservative approach of just being like,
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We just don't care about any of the, you know, any of this, uh, concentration of wealth because,
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uh, you know, you should be able to just make as much money, whatever.
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And it, it never matters, but at the same time, we don't want to just then default to the politics
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Uh, and, and instead, uh, you know, realize that the problem you're facing again is, is,
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has many different causes and is as much spiritual as it is economic.
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So that we should address material causes to the extent that they are involved, but many
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states have actually, and many governments have actually involved themselves in trying
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Uh, tiny Rick says, even if Trump and Vance win, there's so much damage at the ground level,
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The spiritual sickness isn't going to disappear even with our guys in office.
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We need to recognize that Trump and Vance getting to office, if that happens, is only
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It creates space for us to solve this problem, but it does not solve the problem.
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And that's why I want people, you know, do I want Trump and Vance to win?
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But ultimately our, our problems are much deeper and we need to be prepared to solve these
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on a local level and we need to be able to solve these on a regional level and we need
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to focus on the spiritual aspects along with the material.
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If we simply sit here and say, Oh, we elected Trump.
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Well, then you're just falling into the same trap that conservatives have fallen into for
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No, actually things were actively being undermined.
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Even though someone you elected was in power, sometimes it was their fault.
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Sometimes it wasn't, but either way, it is not simply enough to elect a
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leader than say, Oh, wash my hands, walk away.
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We have to recognize that these changes have to be made in our communities, in our
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churches, in our families, at the societal level or at each level of society, not just,
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Oh, we elected someone at the, you know, that that's going to give us a little bit of
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You know, if JD Vance and Trump can create space for us by, you know, uh, protecting these
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populations by, uh, reducing federal, uh, intervention in the lives of people, by keeping the state
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from actively, uh, you know, prosecuting its political enemies like that.
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And that's something that the federal government can do.
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But ultimately we need this all across the board strategy.
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And we, we have to recognize that it's not enough to just elect people.
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Um, uh, silly cat says, thanks for one of the best channels on YouTube.
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There's a lot of really great, uh, channels on YouTube, a lot of great commentators.
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Uh, you know, a lot of people I really respect, uh, and I am just incredibly grateful to have
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an amazing audience, to have the opportunity to, to do this, uh, for a living.
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And you know, it's a couple of years ago, I couldn't have dreamed of this being a real
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So, uh, I, I'm humbled and I appreciate those that make it possible, including you guys.
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Uh, and you know, most, especially you guys, uh, dash here says the birth rate, birth rate
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difference of the two careers appears to be that communism is more sustainable than liberalism.
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You know, uh, again, I wouldn't make that the, the, I wouldn't make the monocausal argument,
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I don't think it's just communism versus liberalism there.
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Uh, you know, the birth rates also ended up being a problem in communist countries too.
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Uh, uh, I think there are larger effects of modernity that have to be taken into, uh, account.
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I, I really, I believe in my bones, uh, and this is what makes me a real reactionary and not,
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I believe in my bones, uh, and I don't have, you know, the, there are probably mountains of
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evidence that one day I'll accumulate, but I don't have it all to lay out before you.
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But I do think in some way, modernity is the great filter that there is a level of
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complexity that society simply cannot achieve without ultimately undermining the identity
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and place and reason for being that people require.
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And I think the scale of society has, has devastated, uh, a large amount of our ability
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to kind of see ourselves in the future and connect ourselves into a great chain of being
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that makes us feel like we need to perpetuate our existence, our way of being in, into the future.
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I think there is a valuable thing to look at, you know, those North Korea versus South Korean
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examples and say, maybe there is a problem with hyper competitive, uh, hyper individualistic
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societies there, there might actually be, um, you know, some serious implications
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or the kind of lifestyle that South Korea has implemented.
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And that doesn't mean that North Korea is, is better in a very real sense, but it does mean
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that we need to think about that because, you know, there are places like the United States,
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which is still, as Bill Clinton pointed out, not doing great on the birth rate front,
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but it's still doing better, much better than a place like South Korea.
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So even though South Korea, uh, has a different economy than, uh, North Korea, uh, in many cases,
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some of the places that have a economy different than North Korea still have better birth rates
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than North Korea. So it's not like, Oh, communism just fixes this problem.
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And then Robert Weinsfeld here with just the super chat donation. Thank you very much, sir.
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Really appreciate it. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up. I want to thank
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