The Auron MacIntyre Show - Can Trump Remake US Foreign Policy？｜ Guest： Riley Lewis ｜ 5⧸16⧸25

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00:00:37.980 We're just past the first 100 days of Trump's presidency.

00:00:41.540 And I think along with border security, the most important issue for most Trump voters was ending foreign conflicts as much as possible.

00:00:50.580 We know that ultimately war is a reality in the world and every great nation is going to have to involve itself in one at some point.

00:00:58.880 But what Americans are tired of is relentless foreign intervention in what seems like the interests of other countries.

00:01:05.580 They never seem to benefit the United States or the people here. 1.00

00:01:09.240 So I wanted to talk a little bit after this 100 days of how Trump has been handling the foreign policy situation.

00:01:15.940 Has he been delivering?

00:01:17.360 Has he come up short?

00:01:18.500 Is it a mixed bag?

00:01:19.980 Joining me today to talk about Trump's foreign policy is Riley Lewis.

00:01:23.980 He's the host of The Real Story over on OAN.

00:01:27.600 Thanks for joining me today, man.

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00:01:34.960 Oh, no, of course.

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00:01:38.280 So it's going to be great to have a extended conversation today about Trump's foreign policy.

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00:02:40.760 So, Riley, Trump has made a trip over to the Middle East.

00:02:44.920 He's at a Saudi Arabian summit right now,

00:02:48.260 and he was making remarks about the United States and its foreign policy.

00:02:52.540 Interestingly, he made a strong statement for Iran that it needs to play ball

00:02:57.380 or may find itself in tough financial situations again.

00:03:01.320 But the more interesting remarks that he made during that speech

00:03:05.360 were really a denouncement of neoconservative American foreign policy,

00:03:11.480 saying that it's been the interventionists and the state builders

00:03:14.660 that have ultimately destroyed much of the stability in the Middle East and other regions,

00:03:20.520 and that it's been this constant need to meddle in the affairs of foreign countries going to war,

00:03:27.140 attempting to build nations, that has ultimately led the United States to have terrible relationships

00:03:32.000 with many of the countries in the area.

00:03:34.140 He talked a lot about fostering relationships and letting people govern themselves as they see fit

00:03:39.620 in order to advance relationships with these different nations.

00:03:43.660 What do you think about that opening response from Trump?

00:03:46.680 I love it, personally.

00:03:48.600 I think you hit on the crux of it, really.

00:03:51.820 For the last, let's call it 30 years, Oren,

00:03:54.100 there have been so many foreign policy failures on the world stage,

00:03:59.120 basically for my whole adult life in Iraq and Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, beyond,

00:04:05.160 some that we don't even really know about, at least we didn't until recently.

00:04:08.260 And the neocons and the uniparty in Washington convinced Americans and people beyond America

00:04:14.940 that there would be no consequences for any of these foreign policy failures.

00:04:19.420 What we're seeing with Iran today, among others, these are the consequences of those failures. 0.99

00:04:24.740 And so Trump has a real mess on his hands, and this country does.

00:04:28.400 I don't know if his approach to solving these issues that we're involved in is perfect, necessarily.

00:04:33.280 I think it's a mixed bag.

00:04:34.220 But that's just the crux of the problem.

00:04:36.040 How did we get here? Why are we here? Who put us here?

00:04:39.700 The neocons, the Democrats, this uniparty establishment that thinks America last,

00:04:45.000 every other foreign country first. 0.90

00:04:47.280 I think that's very suspicious, by the way, and I want to follow up on that later.

00:04:50.440 But it's those foreign policy failures we've seen in the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s

00:04:55.640 that have brought us to this current moment.

00:04:57.680 And that's the problem that is largely being overlooked and overshadowed.

00:05:01.400 Well, let's address that now, and then we'll get to Trump's actions here in a second,

00:05:07.280 because it sounds like that origin story is very important to then judge how Trump has performed.

00:05:13.500 So as you pointed out, there has been a willingness to engage in extreme foreign policy action

00:05:21.280 with very little concern about possible downsides.

00:05:24.460 There's been this idea that basically, like, we're the world's hegemon, we take action, and, you know, whatever.

00:05:30.680 And, you know, if that was in service of the American people, that would be one thing, right?

00:05:35.300 It would be okay if my leaders were spurning the international community to serve the interests of my neighbor.

00:05:41.860 That would be something I could support.

00:05:43.520 But what we see instead is that the U.S. is forging an international community more or less around going into random countries

00:05:52.000 and knocking them down and spending a large amount of money rebuilding them, a lot of tax dollars,

00:05:57.880 going to military corporations that manufacture arms, rebuild countries, these kind of things.

00:06:04.480 I have friends, personally, who, like, their job in the military was to go around and bribe warlords

00:06:09.020 into not killing American troops.

00:06:10.940 So, like, I'm very, very personally familiar with the way that this operates.

00:06:15.380 And when you have a foreign policy like this, people start to get suspicious.

00:06:19.200 Why are we not able to use our own military to protect the United States border,

00:06:23.840 but we can use it to protect the border of every other country, Ukraine, Israel, any other country that we see fit?

00:06:30.340 Why is it so important to constantly involve ourselves in these kind of endless wars

00:06:35.220 without any kind of firm goal that ends up benefiting the American people?

00:06:39.580 Now, a lot of people suspect, and I think there's some truth to this, that along with immigration, 0.97

00:06:44.580 the reason that foreign policy is the thing that Trump is most hated on is because these are the projects that keep the money flowing.

00:06:51.700 These are the things that keep the establishment in charge.

00:06:54.300 What do you think about that?

00:06:55.320 I think there's some angle of here, of the situation, that is certainly ideological.

00:07:02.660 Some of it certainly political.

00:07:04.320 Russia and Ukraine is a great example.

00:07:06.120 But all of them certainly have the through line of war turning into a business.

00:07:10.160 And that's the whole problem is you've, you're, you're, we found ourselves in a place where D.C.,

00:07:14.320 this foreign policy machine is interested in perpetuating bloodshed and destruction instead of ending it or staying out of it

00:07:22.560 and perpetuating it beyond situations that would be beneficial for the American people.

00:07:26.740 Because like you, I would agree if there was some material benefit for us to be involved in any of these conflicts,

00:07:31.900 then you can make a case for it morally, politically.

00:07:35.300 Sure.

00:07:35.860 Fair enough.

00:07:36.760 But when you start drifting into lands where it's like, why are we even fighting these people?

00:07:41.400 Why, why are we pushing for Iran to go to war with them?

00:07:44.620 Why are we provoking Russia, the world's largest country?

00:07:47.380 They have more nukes than we do.

00:07:48.820 And yet we are provoking them in a pointless war that has led to the destruction of this entire European country, Ukraine. 0.86

00:07:55.660 Really sad, by the way, there's just bloodshed, chaos, destruction, innocent people being slaughtered

00:08:01.200 because the foreign policy machine sees some goal that has nothing to do with protecting this country,

00:08:07.180 advancing the interests of Americans, gaining access to resources.

00:08:10.120 So I think the money is a huge part of it.

00:08:12.680 And if so, that's just really sad.

00:08:14.740 And it shows that there's so much corruption in this government.

00:08:17.220 It's obviously much deeper than we thought.

00:08:19.680 And Doge has only uncovered some of it.

00:08:21.480 So I don't know.

00:08:22.660 But that's the whole thing is Trump is one man and he's got less than four years at this point.

00:08:26.920 But you have to pick your battles very wisely and realize you can only make so much headway.

00:08:31.900 So what I'm really concerned about is looking forward, 28, 2032, what's going to happen when he's out of office?

00:08:38.400 Are we going to fall right back into the cycle of endless wars?

00:08:40.680 Or will there be a real programmatic shift in the way we think about foreign policy?

00:08:46.160 That I don't know.

00:08:47.140 But I'm pretty concerned about it, Oren.

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00:09:20.120 No, it's a great point because as you say, this is a behemoth.

00:09:23.840 This is just like immigration. 0.90

00:09:25.580 This is the machine that runs the empire.

00:09:27.980 And so when you're trying to turn that ship around, obviously it is a huge project that could take many, many years.

00:09:35.980 And so what you hope is that Trump starts a trend, but ultimately that this shift in focus carries generationally through the right.

00:09:46.980 I think we're seeing a revolt against the neoconservative consensus inside the Republican Party.

00:09:52.660 I think generations of people like yourself and myself who are younger than probably the average Republican politician, they are no longer interested in this kind of policy.

00:10:04.060 And so seeing Trump blaze a trail towards that direction allows, I think, a lot of these young guys to come behind, maybe a J.D. Vance or someone like that to follow in those footsteps and continue that understanding.

00:10:16.580 Because like you, I sit there listening to guys like Mitch McConnell or Dan Crenshaw or Lindsey Graham talking about how we should just be killing every Russian until we're out of Ukrainians because it's basically a free pass to murder a bunch of people.

00:10:33.800 And that's really what it's all about. Look, I'm not beyond defeating enemies of my own country.

00:10:38.960 Like I am not constitutionally anti-war in the way that maybe some libertarians are.

00:10:44.500 But I think both of us recognize that the party that we would naturally be aligned with, this Republican Party, has very little interest in fighting the wars that would actually benefit the United States.

00:10:55.940 We're not going into Mexico to get rid of drug cartels. We're not defending our border here.

00:11:00.380 We're going to foreign places. You know, some of my best friends are active duty military, very, you know, all of them brave, all of them incredibly competent, but tired of watching their friends die.

00:11:13.460 I mean, I had one friend who was in Afghanistan while they had these Bachi Bazi boys going on and just watching the fact that the United States facilitated that behavior. 1.00

00:11:24.180 The sexual predation on young boys was something that the United States was not just aware of, but complicit in.

00:11:31.140 That is not something that any honorable U.S. military servicemen should ever have to have on their conscience.

00:11:37.760 That is horrific. And so the fact that that is a reality for our troops, I think we are all done with that.

00:11:43.380 We are ready to move on to a place where the U.S. military is used to serve the U.S. people.

00:11:48.800 Yes, I think it's a question of survival for this country at this point.

00:11:53.240 I firmly believe that, especially, Warren, since we're almost 37 trillion dollars in debt.

00:11:59.140 They are destroying the value of the currency to fund these forever wars that get Americans killed.

00:12:06.320 And with Afghanistan specifically, by the way, the problem for me is not just your your goal,

00:12:11.660 but the fact that there's no accountability for those failures that come with consequences.

00:12:16.180 13 U.S. service members killed in a terrorist attack that could have been prevented.

00:12:20.860 You put the Taliban back into power after two decades of fighting them.

00:12:24.860 You arguably created them, by the way.

00:12:26.980 Then they turned our guns against us and our money.

00:12:29.820 And then we left them behind with tens of billions of dollars of military equipment.

00:12:34.240 On top of it all, we got people sending the State Department, you know, internal messages saying,

00:12:38.440 we don't think that the Afghan National Army is ready.

00:12:40.900 This is too soon.

00:12:42.220 Please don't rush this.

00:12:43.200 As Biden or whoever was really calling the shots does anyway, they say, we'll pull out

00:12:47.520 the military first, go back for civilians later.

00:12:50.160 Don't worry about it.

00:12:51.540 Completely haphazard.

00:12:52.900 No logic whatsoever.

00:12:54.840 Extremely costly decision.

00:12:56.320 And now we're living with the consequences.

00:12:57.980 And there's been no accountability.

00:12:59.700 And I don't know if there ever will be.

00:13:01.360 So I know people look at this new DOD and they have some questions.

00:13:04.440 But one thing I think we can all agree on is that the DOD we've seen, the behavior we've

00:13:09.500 seen from them in previous administrations, with all due respect, I have a lot of respect

00:13:13.260 for our armed services.

00:13:14.260 It's not about the troops on the ground.

00:13:15.600 It's not about the commanders or generals.

00:13:17.160 It's about the commander in chief.

00:13:18.800 It's about the foreign policy.

00:13:20.240 It's the lawmakers.

00:13:21.220 So I just I look at Afghanistan as the perfect epitome of everything that's wrong with our 1.00

00:13:26.300 foreign policy strategy.

00:13:28.280 Fundamentally, we have to completely ditch it.

00:13:30.200 We need something brand new.

00:13:32.560 And I think that's where the America first foreign policy strategy comes into play, because

00:13:36.580 that's the only solution that I see to this glaring problem that's been manufactured and

00:13:42.360 in a way that's very profitable, by the way, for our ruling class. 0.99

00:13:44.800 So it's just it's it's it's asinine. 0.95

00:13:47.360 Yeah, you look at it and you say, is this a fourth graders work? 0.89

00:13:50.300 I mean, who's planning these operations?

00:13:52.580 What's the logic?

00:13:53.620 What are we even trying to do?

00:13:55.280 Let's just start with a simple question, because I'm not an expert.

00:13:58.280 I can speculate all day long, but what are we even trying to do in all of these different

00:14:02.700 places all at the same time?

00:14:04.780 I just I don't know.

00:14:06.780 And I don't think they know, honestly, in many ways, it feels like we've got a war plan

00:14:11.520 that's been, you know, drawn up on a cocktail nap and at some D.C.

00:14:15.460 fundraiser and has has no connection to any any idea of benefiting the United States or

00:14:21.460 toward moving towards victory.

00:14:23.160 But that lays, I think, the groundwork for the discussion.

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00:15:33.880 All right.

00:15:34.500 So let's start with the easy one first.

00:15:36.040 It's a it's a little bit of a softball to praise Trump.

00:15:38.460 It wasn't on the radar before he got elected, but still good job.

00:15:42.040 And we should give him credit where he's due.

00:15:43.920 So tell me a little bit about the India and Pakistan situation.

00:15:48.760 Are you were you surprised that Trump was able to help broker a peace deal as quickly

00:15:52.620 as he was a little bit?

00:15:54.400 Yes, actually, two neighboring states, both with nukes, long, long backstory and context

00:16:00.220 historically.

00:16:00.960 I'm certainly no expert.

00:16:02.240 I'm still learning a lot and I don't know exactly what happened, but I am I will say I'm

00:16:07.020 pretty I'm pleased and impressed and pleasantly surprised by by the fact that there was a cease

00:16:13.740 fire and largely it's held since it was agreed to just days ago.

00:16:18.020 But that is an area where I was kind of surprised.

00:16:20.300 And I think that probably plays into the fact that we're just close with India and Modi and

00:16:24.620 Trump have a relationship and that gives Trump some leverage.

00:16:26.980 So maybe it's just a matter of using leverage where we have it and for good, not for bad.

00:16:31.140 But I was a little surprised by that, Oren.

00:16:33.740 Yeah.

00:16:33.960 I mean, as you point out, this is a generational conflict, obviously, since India was, you

00:16:39.800 know, was broken apart and you got Pakistan and what would later become Bengal.

00:16:46.620 Obviously, these countries have been at each other's throats.

00:16:51.600 You know, it's it's the classic, you know, the people who hate each other the most are

00:16:54.720 the people who were forced to live next to each other.

00:16:56.580 And so with the Muslim and Hindu partitioning of these nations, they've been in constant 0.99

00:17:02.020 conflict.

00:17:02.540 It's always a possibility to flare up.

00:17:04.320 And like you said, they both are armed with very dangerous weapons.

00:17:07.180 So obviously, we don't want to see any of that escalate.

00:17:10.300 I'm sure that ultimately they knew they couldn't escalate it.

00:17:14.280 But India didn't want to let that terrorist attack stand ultimately.

00:17:19.400 And so it needed to exact some kind of price from Pakistan.

00:17:22.500 I think that was kind of the the maneuver there.

00:17:24.660 But ultimately, great that that was not allowed to spiral out of control.

00:17:28.940 Largely, it seems due to Donald Trump getting involved.

00:17:32.040 And so that's that's a great sign, obviously.

00:17:34.960 So then the next one is a little tougher.

00:17:38.400 This is something that Trump said, OK, I'll fix this on day one.

00:17:41.920 Right.

00:17:42.080 I'm going to end the war in Ukraine and Russia on day one. 0.92

00:17:45.200 Now, I think most people who are familiar with Trump know you take him seriously, but

00:17:50.020 not literally.

00:17:50.940 He was obviously going to make that a top priority, but he probably wasn't going to

00:17:54.640 end it the first day he walked into office.

00:17:57.060 That said, ending the war was, I think, an important promise that Trump made. 0.52

00:18:03.820 And I'll be honest, a little confusing as to why that has had the level of difficulty

00:18:09.320 it has had.

00:18:09.840 Now, obviously, as you point out, this is a tragic conflict.

00:18:13.060 The U.S. politicians have funded this basically explicitly with the interest of wiping out as 0.99

00:18:18.520 many Russian men as long as all they lose is Ukrainian men.

00:18:22.680 And now there's literally generations of Ukrainian men that have been hollowed out like World War 0.97

00:18:27.060 One, like you're going to go to French villages and just not find anyone anymore, like no adult men

00:18:31.700 in those villages because of the number of people who have been drawn into this conflict.

00:18:36.240 Right. And again, as you put yourself in that situation, you're Ukrainian, you see Vladimir 0.99

00:18:43.460 Putin invading, I take nothing away from brave men willing to stand and defend their country

00:18:49.180 in the way that they see fit.

00:18:50.860 So this is not a snub on any Ukrainian men fighting there.

00:18:54.720 But ultimately, this is a war that just Ukraine could never win.

00:18:58.360 Right. And they could never win.

00:18:59.640 They couldn't even stand up without the United States. 0.78

00:19:02.040 So if Donald Trump is president and we control, you know, both houses of the legislature as

00:19:08.780 conservatives, how is there still even a war going on?

00:19:13.600 That is it's a good question.

00:19:15.580 I think in some respects, Trump is dealing with two opposition parties.

00:19:18.720 And so in some ways, not to diminish the point here, because he did come out very aggressively

00:19:24.740 and say that we would resolve this conflict.

00:19:27.420 I have hope that he will be able to do that.

00:19:30.180 But I do think he downplayed how much time it's going to take and the complexity of it,

00:19:34.200 because you have two world leaders, Zelensky and Putin.

00:19:37.260 They don't seem to like each other at all.

00:19:39.060 In fact, I would say they hate each other and they don't know their war or something.

00:19:42.440 Yeah.

00:19:42.880 Yeah. And and of course, the Biden administration was fully behind Ukraine, very gung ho, high

00:19:51.380 Mars missiles, whatever you need, all the rhetoric, of course, the game of information warfare that

00:19:56.000 goes along with any other kind of real warfare on the battlefield.

00:19:59.440 And of course, they call Trump a Putin puppet from the beginning for even wanting peace.

00:20:03.820 But the point is, I do think he wants peace.

00:20:06.040 I think he's on the track there.

00:20:07.400 One indicator I look at is dialogue.

00:20:09.960 I think dialogue is really critical.

00:20:11.680 Seeing him at least have contact between people like Steve Wyckoff and Russian officials

00:20:16.240 meeting with Zelensky in Rome at St. Peter's Basilica for the Pope's funeral.

00:20:20.600 Good. OK, so we're moving toward dialogue.

00:20:23.300 Having said that, the management has been a little confusing and the timeline's a little

00:20:27.740 disappointing. It's been taking a long time.

00:20:30.280 And the biggest thing to me is even addressing the fact that you have irreconcilable differences,

00:20:35.680 especially over things like territory.

00:20:37.760 I have no idea what the perfect solution is, but he's in a bit of a bind because Putin's

00:20:42.040 not just going to let go of things that he's gained control over.

00:20:44.720 Crimea being a great example.

00:20:46.440 Zelensky doesn't seem interested in sacrificing that territory or losing it permanently.

00:20:50.680 And that's a big sticking point.

00:20:52.420 And I don't I don't know if he understands how to navigate that.

00:20:56.140 This is just my speculation.

00:20:57.660 I understand he wants peace, but you can't rush it.

00:21:00.240 It's going to take time, especially with people like this who are very, very hostile

00:21:05.860 toward each other publicly, openly.

00:21:07.540 I mean, Zelensky is calling Putin out on Twitter on X almost on a daily basis.

00:21:11.720 So these are two people who clearly hate each other very much and he's getting pulled.

00:21:16.000 So he's he's kind of walking a tightrope because both sides want him to take a side.

00:21:20.360 He doesn't want to take a side, it seems, but he also doesn't know how to bring them together.

00:21:23.760 And when they do get together, it's a lot of, OK, maybe ceasefire, maybe peace, sure.

00:21:28.060 But then the next day, there's more shelling or more fighting.

00:21:30.980 So I'm confused as well a little bit.

00:21:34.220 And it's not that I'm losing hope, but I am wondering if maybe he needs to be more aggressive

00:21:39.440 or just completely change his approach, because I think there's been a placation of both sides.

00:21:44.020 It's going to be OK, Putin. 0.73

00:21:44.960 Don't worry.

00:21:45.520 We'll meet your security needs or whatever.

00:21:47.520 Same to you, Zelensky.

00:21:48.600 But they have incompatible goals here.

00:21:50.780 And I don't know if he understands exactly what to do with that pickle.

00:21:54.460 It's really quite a dilemma for him.

00:21:56.320 And for Wyckoff and for Hegseth and everyone else in this administration who genuinely seems

00:22:01.140 to want peace around the world.

00:22:03.160 I do believe that.

00:22:04.120 And Trump's made that clear.

00:22:05.720 I just.

00:22:07.760 Ultimately, I am a little confused.

00:22:09.820 I'm cautiously optimistic and I just don't know what to expect.

00:22:12.580 And that brings us to Thursday's meeting in Istanbul.

00:22:14.640 I don't know if it's going to happen.

00:22:15.960 I don't know if there's going to be a trilateral meeting, but Trump's in Saudi Arabia now.

00:22:19.720 Putin is apparently getting ready to visit Iran.

00:22:22.160 Zelensky will be in Istanbul on Thursday.

00:22:24.540 I'm hoping what we'll see is a trilateral meeting to get a real peace agreement on the

00:22:29.240 table.

00:22:29.880 They may not agree to it, but at least get solid terms that everyone can agree to as

00:22:34.240 the basis for further negotiations and a ceasefire.

00:22:36.960 Yeah, I mean, you understand, I guess, as insufferable as Zelensky has been through all of this,

00:22:45.480 you know, Putin, obviously not a great guy.

00:22:48.420 But the thing that has, I think, made a lot of Americans sour on Zelensky and the cause

00:22:53.940 he represents is really the indignation with which he treats the American people as if,

00:22:58.760 you know, and you get it like this guy was installed by CIA cover revolution like he's

00:23:03.360 a comedian, probably didn't really expect to run a country at any given point, got elevated

00:23:08.440 because of kind of like the NATO connections and the desire to have him in charge instead.

00:23:14.800 And so he kind of expected he was kind of elevated by the Uniparty in the global ruling 0.94

00:23:20.520 class, and he expected their help in perpetuity.

00:23:23.500 Like, hey, you guys put me in here to do the job.

00:23:25.660 Of course, I can talk to you like this.

00:23:27.100 Of course, you know, I can act like this because that's why you put me here, right?

00:23:31.200 Like, I'm here to to talk this way and to to lobby the American people and get all the

00:23:36.280 funding and make all this happen.

00:23:38.540 He feels very entitled because he was put there to be entitled.

00:23:41.960 And so when you sit down in that meeting with Trump advance in the Oval Office and you

00:23:48.320 basically get a public smackdown, right?

00:23:50.340 Like, that's pretty that's pretty it feels good.

00:23:53.080 It's nice to have, you know, the guy kind of slapped around a little bit again, not

00:23:56.960 not not to take sides one way or another, ultimately, in the Ukrainian conflict, but

00:24:00.940 just because this guy is basically our client and yet is so arrogant about it.

00:24:08.160 Right.

00:24:08.420 Like, you know, you yes, I've received, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars at

00:24:12.020 this point, but you owed it all to me.

00:24:13.840 Right.

00:24:14.080 Like and I'm going to continue to ask as act as if this is my money and these are my

00:24:18.900 military assets and you're just withholding them from me.

00:24:21.480 And I think that's where a lot of people ended up souring on this.

00:24:25.360 So obviously, Biden went into this, the idea that it was going to be the old war will be

00:24:29.760 over in six months.

00:24:30.740 We'll just choke them out financially.

00:24:32.160 And yet again, this model of American warfare just proves that it's not going to happen.

00:24:37.220 Now, we're not directly technically involved, obviously, but ultimately, this is an American

00:24:43.360 proxy war.

00:24:44.340 And so I think what most people just want to see is, OK, either Zelensky, you walk into this

00:24:50.080 meeting and make a deal and sorry, but that deal is probably going to mean turning over

00:24:53.320 the Russian speaking, ethnically Russian parts of your country to the Russians that have

00:24:59.360 already captured them or you just don't have funding anymore.

00:25:03.540 Right.

00:25:04.080 And like that should be pretty simple.

00:25:05.480 If the only reason that this military conflict is continuing is because the United States is

00:25:09.860 funding it, both providing ammunition and advisors and everything else, then that should

00:25:16.280 be a pretty easy thing to solve at the end of the day.

00:25:20.260 You should have a pretty big bargaining chip there.

00:25:22.520 Yes.

00:25:23.380 Well, I think, you know, it's funny with that meeting.

00:25:26.180 This applies, I think, to so many other conflicts.

00:25:28.180 But with that meeting in particular, we've sent at that point billions and billions and

00:25:32.780 billions.

00:25:33.200 And yes, the politicians have said we have to do this and we have to defend democracies

00:25:37.080 around the world.

00:25:37.860 Ukraine isn't a democracy.

00:25:39.260 Arguably, it's not really a sovereign nation.

00:25:40.920 I'm sure they'll have election at some point, you know.

00:25:43.600 Yeah, maybe, maybe.

00:25:46.520 Yeah.

00:25:46.980 King Zelensky.

00:25:47.640 We'll see about that.

00:25:48.620 But which is funny.

00:25:49.860 I mean, five minutes before the war, New York Times was saying, oh, Ukraine is really corrupt

00:25:53.940 and the country is run by oligarchs and we just can't believe it.

00:25:56.480 And then the narrative just radically flips on a dime.

00:25:59.200 I get it.

00:25:59.420 There was an invasion.

00:25:59.880 All of a sudden they all love neo-Nazis, everything else.

00:26:02.080 Yeah.

00:26:02.880 Exactly.

00:26:03.400 Exactly.

00:26:04.240 Exactly.

00:26:05.100 But the question, though, for the American people is, so you're investing all of this money

00:26:10.080 in these conflicts.

00:26:11.220 Where is the return for us?

00:26:12.480 And that's, you know, to bring full circle back, how are we materially benefiting or

00:26:16.680 immaterially gaining anything from taking either side, Russia's or Ukraine's, in this

00:26:21.980 conflict?

00:26:22.580 It's around the world physically, has nothing to do with us directly.

00:26:26.140 We don't have boots on the ground, at least so I'm told.

00:26:29.040 And so I don't understand why it's our place.

00:26:31.260 I don't see a moral argument.

00:26:32.580 But even a political argument, how are we benefiting from it at all?

00:26:36.420 That question remains.

00:26:37.680 It hasn't been answered.

00:26:38.620 And yet we're expected to just go along with this endless conflict forever and ever, as

00:26:43.340 if we don't have problems of our own to solve and to fund.

00:26:46.360 So when you look at the debt clock just going up, literally as we're speaking, by the minute,

00:26:51.040 they're burning through a trillion dollars every hundred days.

00:26:53.780 So why is it imperative for us to fund foreign wars when we can't even get to a balanced budget?

00:27:00.280 And then on top of it all, where's the return on investment for us?

00:27:03.420 My country's not safer.

00:27:04.720 My quality of life isn't better.

00:27:06.380 It's not easier to run a business or provide for a family.

00:27:09.080 So how exactly do I even factor into this equation at all?

00:27:13.620 That's the big question for them.

00:27:15.060 They don't want to answer that.

00:27:16.580 I think it's largely a grift for them and a money laundering operation, not to downplay

00:27:21.680 the morality of this issue, but that's the question I have for any conflict.

00:27:27.100 You want to make a case for getting involved?

00:27:28.820 Then make it.

00:27:29.640 Show me how I, as a taxpayer and a voter, materially benefit from that kind of behavior.

00:27:35.140 And I'm still waiting for that, by the way.

00:27:37.680 Yeah.

00:27:38.560 So along those lines, one of the things that has really been drilled into people is that

00:27:44.560 we just have to go to war with Iran, right? 0.98

00:27:46.300 It seemed like there was a very big push.

00:27:48.720 There's the conflict between Israel and Gaza, Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza.

00:27:55.540 And however you feel about that conflict, I think the position of the United States should

00:27:59.060 be pretty obvious.

00:28:00.220 This is not our problem, right?

00:28:01.600 Like, Godspeed, do what you got to do.

00:28:03.720 This is not an issue that we are involving ourselves in.

00:28:06.760 This is really, at this point, a many decades long blood feud that is not going to get resolved

00:28:13.000 because the U.S. steps in at any given point.

00:28:15.120 It hasn't yet.

00:28:15.740 It's not going to begin now.

00:28:16.980 So let them figure that out in whatever way they need to get it done.

00:28:21.000 That position, however, has been pretty unacceptable, unfortunately, to a lot of neoconservatives

00:28:26.500 and the Uniparty.

00:28:28.420 And so what we've seen is this kind of drumbeat of war moving towards, we got to get involved

00:28:32.820 there.

00:28:33.220 We got to get involved with Iran, take pressure off of Israel, these kind of things.

00:28:36.740 And more and more, it seems like while the Trump administration was being pushed that

00:28:41.600 direction, they are resisting.

00:28:44.480 Guys like Pete Hegseth are very uninterested.

00:28:47.160 Whitcoff, as you pointed out, is someone who obviously is not, is trying to keep the United

00:28:51.620 States, I think, out of larger conflicts in this area.

00:28:54.360 Some of the successful things we've seen so far is that one hostage was released as a show

00:29:04.540 of goodwill to Donald Trump by Hamas. 0.74

00:29:07.600 We also saw a negotiation with the Houthis to kind of end the military campaign against

00:29:14.260 them.

00:29:14.940 In many ways, it seems in kind of opposition or ignoring perhaps some of the interests that

00:29:20.860 Israel might have in participating in those negotiations.

00:29:24.400 And so what a lot of people speculated on, and I've even seen reports that people like

00:29:28.980 Netanyahu have said this, is that the relationship between the United States and Israel is cooling.

00:29:34.120 And so what Israel is kind of figuring out is they need to go it alone. 0.58

00:29:38.980 They need to handle these things by themselves, not worry about the United States' participation

00:29:43.480 in this kind of stuff.

00:29:45.120 And personally, I think that's great.

00:29:46.800 Like, I think that is a fantastic development because they are another country.

00:29:51.060 You know, I just did an episode about George Washington and his farewell address and his advice

00:29:56.240 about not favoring other nations because of the consequences that would come with giving

00:30:00.500 someone special favored ally status.

00:30:02.980 And so I think it's just best that Israel becomes another nation, right? 1.00

00:30:07.660 One that we can ally with temporarily if it's in our interest, but otherwise is not a part

00:30:13.200 of our wider foreign policy, not a part of our wider understanding of our geopolitical strategy.

00:30:20.040 Again, when opportunity arises and you can have some kind of working together on an issue

00:30:26.960 that is very clearly and explicitly benefiting the United States, okay.

00:30:30.000 But otherwise, this is just not our problem.

00:30:32.860 And I think the fact that it looks like the Republicans or at least some of them, a few

00:30:38.560 select ones like Trump and some of the people surrounded him, the fact that they're finally

00:30:42.960 recognizing that I think is pretty important.

00:30:45.640 It is.

00:30:47.400 It's a survival thing, really.

00:30:49.000 If the leaders of this country only spin their wheels on every other foreign country around 0.66

00:30:53.680 the world, we're not going to have a country for much longer.

00:30:55.920 That just seems to me to be abundantly clear.

00:30:58.880 And I also think there's a bifurcation to make.

00:31:01.440 There's an important point that gets lost a lot.

00:31:03.320 A lot of nuance in these conversations gets lost.

00:31:05.780 You can have empathy or sympathy or show some moral support for certain countries.

00:31:10.420 Maybe it's Israel and their battle against Hamas.

00:31:12.920 Absolutely.

00:31:13.640 I get that.

00:31:14.680 That doesn't necessarily have to translate into boots on the ground, money being spent,

00:31:18.480 us getting directly entangled because that does open Pandora's box to a whole other

00:31:23.240 world that a lot of Americans never signed up for.

00:31:26.040 So and that could be that could come back to bite us.

00:31:28.520 So that's my biggest concern is watching us create enemies, exacerbate conflicts, pour

00:31:33.720 gas on the fire, knowing one day that fire could spread to our house.

00:31:37.080 That's what I'm really worried about is just keeping this giant continental sized country

00:31:41.420 intact, keeping it safe, protecting it.

00:31:44.480 And so for me, some of this stuff, it just seems like a betrayal.

00:31:47.700 Honestly, Orrin, these politicians, Mitch McConnell being a great example, are so worried about

00:31:52.480 everybody but their own constituents, their own voters, the people that pay their salaries

00:31:56.640 that are really on the hook.

00:31:58.540 I've had family in this country for more than 100 years.

00:32:01.860 I've had family in California for more than 100 years.

00:32:04.940 My great grandfather spent 31 years in the Marine Corps.

00:32:08.400 He worked his way up to Brigadier General, one star.

00:32:11.120 He was in World War II, enlisted in 1938.

00:32:13.600 He fought in Vietnam.

00:32:15.020 He taught top gun pilots how to fly.

00:32:17.140 He was involved in four different wars, won many different awards for it.

00:32:20.500 So I have a great amount of respect for that.

00:32:23.560 But it was all in service of this country and materially benefiting and protecting the

00:32:28.120 homeland.

00:32:28.860 That's what it was about.

00:32:29.780 So as noble as it was to serve in World War II, maybe to serve in Korea, beyond that,

00:32:34.280 to serve in the Cold War, Vietnam, it was all with one goal in mind.

00:32:37.800 Just keep America safe.

00:32:39.440 Keep this place safe, intact.

00:32:41.620 And I'm starting to really think that at some point, somebody from some part of the world,

00:32:45.940 Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine, whatever, is going to come and attack us directly because of

00:32:51.300 the things that this government has done by meddling in the internal affairs of all

00:32:55.700 these countries and without really explaining what the clear goal is.

00:32:59.660 And I think that's the frustration I've heard from veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:33:03.640 They just wondered, what was the clear objective?

00:33:06.580 Are we trying to overthrow Saddam?

00:33:08.560 Are we trying to build a whole democratic nation state around the world?

00:33:12.000 Are we trying to stop terrorism?

00:33:13.960 What exactly is the enemy?

00:33:15.700 What are we fighting?

00:33:16.900 And I say that with nothing but respect for the people who are actually fighting these

00:33:20.060 wars, whose lives are on the line.

00:33:21.880 And I would just wrap by saying the biggest advocates for peace I know that I've met personally,

00:33:27.000 people who want us to be cautious about getting involved, are the people who've either fought

00:33:31.620 in these battles in one way or another, or people who've lost friends and family in these

00:33:35.760 battles.

00:33:36.020 So the real kicker for me is that people like Lindsey Graham just call, let's just bomb Iran. 0.96

00:33:41.240 Let's just nuke whatever.

00:33:42.280 They have no real skin in the game.

00:33:44.800 Their lives aren't the ones that are on the line.

00:33:46.700 So it's a betrayal to me.

00:33:49.420 And at some point, I guess you could say it's arguably treasonous.

00:33:52.960 Yeah.

00:33:53.400 If an alien came down and observed Lindsey Graham's behavior, do you think they'd be able

00:33:57.740 to tell you what U.S. state he represents?

00:33:59.920 Because I guess the answer is no.

00:34:02.720 But yeah, I think that's a really important point.

00:34:04.520 You know, I look at some people who get very worked up about U.S. interventionism, and

00:34:10.300 sometimes they will have an attitude of, oh, well, I'm so much smarter because I didn't

00:34:16.280 get involved in these conflicts.

00:34:17.740 I didn't go to the military, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:19.680 They'll start to get a little bitter.

00:34:21.080 And I think it's really important to remember that we are not the left.

00:34:24.860 We are not the anti-war left who is throwing rocks at troops and calling them baby killers.

00:34:32.500 And that is not who we are.

00:34:35.380 Yes, we recognize and are concerned about the way that foreign policy has been approached,

00:34:41.220 but it is specifically because we care about these people.

00:34:44.700 As you say, I have many friends who were in the global war on terror, and I think there's

00:34:48.760 no accident that the guys who are now pushing back against it, many of these guys are veterans

00:34:54.920 of the global war on terror because they know exactly what you just said, that this has not

00:34:59.780 been in the interest of the American people.

00:35:01.340 And it's not that these guys are not brave and they're not willing to fight, but they

00:35:06.060 want to fight for something.

00:35:07.680 And when you look, I mean, you know, the United States military, especially the forward combat

00:35:14.100 units, they are made up of guys from Appalachia and Texas, right?

00:35:18.520 They are middle Americans.

00:35:20.340 They are heritage Americans. 0.99

00:35:22.380 They are people who have been spit on and treated as garbage and told that they are the reason 1.00

00:35:28.760 that America is falling apart and they're all racist and sexist and backwards and bigoted. 1.00

00:35:34.480 And they are tired of having their sons and daughters called up by a government that is 0.53

00:35:40.180 constantly telling them they are the worst people in the world to then go fight conflicts

00:35:45.000 on behalf of foreign peoples and never on behalf of the United States, even as they watch their 0.94

00:35:50.180 own country get invaded.

00:35:51.760 And that's ultimately what we're looking for here.

00:35:54.700 We are not looking to denigrate the United States.

00:35:57.200 We are not looking to blame troops or those involved.

00:36:01.420 These are heroic people doing the best they can in difficult situations.

00:36:05.300 What we want is to give our warrior class honor again.

00:36:09.520 We want these people to be able to serve in the name of something great and to be proud

00:36:13.860 of what they are doing and know that they are making a difference in the lives of the people

00:36:18.000 that they are actually serving.

00:36:20.080 Not some far off group that never cares about them, hates them, and will come back and bomb 0.81

00:36:24.740 their families in a few years.

00:36:27.440 Yeah, completely.

00:36:28.520 Look, I think that the whole picture is getting back to this America first, where maybe it 0.93

00:36:33.960 sounds corny, but this is what it looks like.

00:36:36.080 Putting your own people first. 0.72

00:36:38.080 We should be the only priority, not just the top priority, but the only priority.

00:36:43.540 And I want to say it again to your point, Warren, because it's a really good point to make

00:36:47.020 and I appreciate it.

00:36:48.160 I am deeply rooted in this country.

00:36:50.200 I have nothing but love for my nation.

00:36:52.300 I want the best for my fellow American citizens of all backgrounds and stripes.

00:36:56.160 I want to have kids here.

00:36:57.740 I want to raise a family here.

00:36:58.880 I want to start a business here.

00:37:00.080 I'm not going anywhere.

00:37:01.460 I am deeply rooted in this country and I want to see America succeed.

00:37:04.920 I do.

00:37:05.620 And I just look at some of the missteps that have been made.

00:37:08.140 Regardless of what the intention was, the road to hell is paved with good intentions,

00:37:11.660 respectfully.

00:37:12.220 So that doesn't matter to me.

00:37:13.520 What matters to me is results.

00:37:15.100 And so I look at what Trump's doing.

00:37:17.120 It's a little haphazard in some ways.

00:37:19.300 In some ways, it's been very productive and effective.

00:37:21.620 But either way, I resonate strongly with the idea that we have to change our ways.

00:37:27.080 The status quo is not working.

00:37:28.980 And the only people who seem to be pushing back are those who derive a lot of benefit

00:37:32.640 from the status quo.

00:37:34.020 And then the American people that get caught up in the crossfire directly or indirectly,

00:37:38.060 they're just afterthoughts.

00:37:39.560 It doesn't seem like they're respected or honored in any real way.

00:37:42.560 13 U.S. service members killed in Kabul.

00:37:45.220 It's like they were just forgotten.

00:37:46.740 I mean, Biden barely said anything about it.

00:37:49.060 Kamala Harris, the legacy media, nothing.

00:37:51.820 We're losing American lives abroad in Afghanistan for the first time in a long time.

00:37:56.300 And it's just like, it's like Obama saying the guys that were lost in Benghazi,

00:38:00.400 bumps in the road, right?

00:38:01.280 Just a hurdle we have to get over.

00:38:03.740 It's really sickening.

00:38:04.740 It's really sickening and I would argue maybe a little demonic and evil.

00:38:09.000 Those are strong words.

00:38:09.940 I don't want to be hyperbolic.

00:38:11.320 But even thinking back to Benghazi, it just feels evil to me.

00:38:15.020 It's like you just get your own people slaughtered and you don't even feel any kind of remorse 0.99

00:38:18.700 for it.

00:38:19.740 Who are these people?

00:38:22.840 Riley, I just wrote a piece and I would like to get your opinion on the premise here real

00:38:27.400 quick.

00:38:27.760 I'll go into more detail, obviously, when I do the show on it.

00:38:30.600 But a lot of people have been talking about the Buchanan right.

00:38:35.340 A lot of people who are running around with the woke right and all these other slurs have

00:38:40.020 decided to talk about the Buchanan right as if that would be something terrible.

00:38:44.380 And of course, The Atlantic recently did a piece about how Pat Buchanan was the grandfather

00:38:50.160 of the woke right with his books like Suicide of a Superpower.

00:38:54.120 Now, I've read several of Pat Buchanan's books, including Suicide of a Superpower.

00:38:58.460 And I got to say, all that book does is tell me exactly what was going to happen in my

00:39:03.240 nation step for step.

00:39:04.880 Pat Buchanan has been right my entire life, right?

00:39:08.520 Like on pretty much everything.

00:39:10.680 And he was decried and he was deplatformed and he was slammed.

00:39:15.760 And I think it's time to build a statue in honor of Pat Buchanan.

00:39:21.120 And I'm totally serious about this.

00:39:22.420 I think we should join forces.

00:39:25.120 I think we should have a campaign.

00:39:26.600 I think it's time to raise money and erect a statue in honor of Pat Buchanan, because

00:39:31.560 without Pat Buchanan, we would not have Donald Trump.

00:39:34.440 Donald Trump is the realization of Pat Buchanan's platform.

00:39:37.620 He basically photocopied that thing, slapped a MAGA on it, and God bless him for it because

00:39:41.760 it's exactly what we needed.

00:39:43.400 The American people, I think, are finally ready for the truths that Pat Buchanan was

00:39:47.180 trying to tell us so many decades ago.

00:39:49.400 And I think ultimately embracing this idea of the Buchanan right, of creating this as

00:39:55.620 the new center, the new focus, the non-ideological America first understanding of what we should

00:40:02.200 be as conservatives.

00:40:03.680 I think that's critical.

00:40:05.000 And I think there's no better place to start by cementing that legacy and making that the

00:40:10.500 way we understand the conservative tradition, other than honoring a man who fought for that

00:40:16.160 when no one else was.

00:40:16.980 I love the way you put that.

00:40:19.420 Even when it's unpopular, he still stood by his principles, which ended up being right,

00:40:24.020 by the way.

00:40:24.460 That's the funny thing to me, is we could have saved ourselves so much trouble if we

00:40:28.200 had just not been so arrogant, if we just had not fed this hubris that you see all over

00:40:33.180 D.C. today. 0.73

00:40:33.960 It's really sickening, actually, to think about it.

00:40:36.760 But that's the biggest challenge, honestly, is convincing people.

00:40:40.140 It's one thing to show someone they're wrong and to tell someone they're wrong, but to

00:40:43.780 put truth into their possession.

00:40:45.460 And that's a whole other battle, and it's an uphill one, maybe.

00:40:48.240 But Pat was way beyond his time, very wise.

00:40:51.220 And many wise men are just laughed off and decried and derailed.

00:40:55.040 So I agree about the statue, number one.

00:40:56.960 Number two, to your bigger point, I do think this is a rebirth, maybe call it an awakening

00:41:00.800 for the GOP.

00:41:01.700 And really just for this country, because you see...

00:41:03.980 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:41:04.400 Woke?

00:41:04.940 Waking?

00:41:05.440 Woke?

00:41:05.840 Yeah, right.

00:41:06.820 What do you do in live...

00:41:08.000 Don't tell James Lindsay I said that.

00:41:10.340 Yeah, right.

00:41:10.960 Yeah, right.

00:41:12.260 He'll come after me.

00:41:13.600 Ooh.

00:41:14.340 Yeah, right.

00:41:14.880 Riley Lewis, officially part of the...

00:41:16.600 Yeah, no, go ahead.

00:41:17.420 Right, right.

00:41:17.900 Of course.

00:41:18.840 No, no.

00:41:19.400 I appreciate that.

00:41:21.460 No, but I just think that the hubris is a big thing to get around of.

00:41:23.840 And I think there's a little bit of grief in just admitting that the GOP's old ways have

00:41:29.020 just failed disastrously.

00:41:31.660 But responsibly, we have to look at the future and we have to think about results.

00:41:35.300 Where are we right now?

00:41:36.340 What kind of position is this country in?

00:41:38.180 Where do we want to be?

00:41:39.180 What do we want to get back to?

00:41:40.400 And so I think that's where the wisdom of someone like Buchanan comes in.

00:41:43.340 And I think there will be a lot of resistance, of course, because telling the truth in a

00:41:47.460 time of constant propaganda is an act of revolution.

00:41:49.760 I accept that.

00:41:50.740 But this is the time to act.

00:41:51.960 It's not the time to be silent.

00:41:52.860 So what I hope to see is a complete paradigm shift on the right.

00:41:57.460 I hope that we lean into that.

00:41:59.100 People like J.D. Vance could spearhead that movement.

00:42:01.080 It's bigger than Trump.

00:42:02.320 He has revived this movement.

00:42:04.100 He didn't start it, but he revived it and made it really popular.

00:42:06.620 I thank him for that tremendously.

00:42:08.800 But looking big picture to the future, we can't rely on one man in four years to fix all

00:42:13.560 these problems that took decades to make.

00:42:16.000 So what I would end on is I'm hopeful.

00:42:18.980 I'm optimistic cautiously that the old right is falling apart.

00:42:23.020 There is a new America first, common sense, nationalist, patriotic right that's forming

00:42:27.760 that will finally make the American people feel seen and heard again.

00:42:32.420 And I don't know.

00:42:33.480 I think we're in a very transformative time.

00:42:35.580 I think the Democrat Party is collapsing entirely.

00:42:37.760 I think the old Republican Party is collapsing entirely.

00:42:39.980 And so this is like a golden opportunity to right the ship before it's too late for this

00:42:45.260 country.

00:42:45.780 That's what I'm saying.

00:42:47.380 Nope.

00:42:47.900 I think that's exactly right.

00:42:49.660 Well, Riley, it's been great talking to you.

00:42:51.540 Obviously, you have the show over at OAN.

00:42:54.100 Tell people when that is and let them know if there are any other projects or places you

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00:42:58.760 Absolutely.

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00:43:17.740 So please tune in.

00:43:19.620 Perfect.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 16, 2025

Can Trump Remake US Foreign Policy？｜ Guest： Riley Lewis ｜ 5⧸16⧸25

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - May 16, 2025

Can Trump Remake US Foreign Policy？ ｜ Guest： Riley Lewis ｜ 5⧸16⧸25

Episode Stats

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Can Trump Remake US Foreign Policy？｜ Guest： Riley Lewis ｜ 5⧸16⧸25