The Auron MacIntyre Show - Canada's Anti-Christian Mass Grave Hoax ｜ Guests： Kruptos and Gio Pennacchietti

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00:00:30.120 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.380 I've got a great stream with some great guests that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:38.780 So, if you're like me, you're on Twitter, and all of this news just kind of rolls past you constantly.

00:00:45.840 It's a weird place because, in some ways, you encounter a lot of bad stuff that you never would have encountered.

00:00:51.420 But you also run into many stories that otherwise would have flown entirely under the radar

00:00:56.980 if you had not been kind of plugged into kind of this hub of the journalistic consciousness in the tech space.

00:01:05.820 And one of the things that kind of came up, it didn't get much play in America,

00:01:09.400 but it did make some waves kind of on the Twitter sphere,

00:01:13.260 was the fact that there was this scandal going on in Canada about these residential schools,

00:01:22.060 these indigenous groups, these children who might have been buried in these mass graves,

00:01:26.200 kind of the churches that were burned into response to this,

00:01:30.580 a whole bunch of different controversy that surrounded this.

00:01:35.360 Now, a little while ago, it became clear that many parts of this story

00:01:39.980 might have been unsure, completely fabricated,

00:01:43.340 and that has now kind of trickled its way into the more mainstream press,

00:01:49.680 the United States, the UK, other areas have become more aware of this narrative.

00:01:55.500 So I wanted to go back, look at this story,

00:01:57.960 get an idea of what was going on and what we've discovered,

00:02:00.780 and joining me to do that today are two of my favorite Canadians,

00:02:03.900 two of my favorite Leafs.

00:02:04.900 We, of course, have the great sub-stacker, Kruptos.

00:02:08.120 Thanks for joining me, sir.

00:02:09.700 Hey, pleasure to be on, Oren.

00:02:11.220 Thanks for the invite.

00:02:11.980 Absolutely, and of course, one of our favorites, he is an artist, he is a scholar,

00:02:17.020 he is a co-host of a podcast with one of our other favorites.

00:02:20.260 Republican Thought Leader.

00:02:21.580 Republican Thought Leader, absolutely.

00:02:23.760 He is Giant Geo.

00:02:24.900 Thanks for coming on, man.

00:02:26.320 Thank you.

00:02:26.860 And the reason I don't have a fez is because I feel like serious subject matter,

00:02:30.680 so I'm putting on my serious hat metaphysically.

00:02:33.620 This is, yeah, this is the most serious I've ever seen, Geo,

00:02:37.740 so that definitely speaks to the gravity of the situation.

00:02:42.900 I appreciate him, you know, kind of bringing the more somber tone to this,

00:02:47.600 because I think it is something that is pretty significant and something we need to look at in real detail.

00:02:52.220 So, guys, you know, I'm not sure which one of you kind of want to take us out on this a little bit,

00:02:59.180 but most Americans are probably completely unfamiliar with the history here.

00:03:03.600 What are residential schools, what do they have to do in relation to the indigenous population in Canada,

00:03:09.680 and what did this controversy kind of entail?

00:03:13.400 Well, I think Krumpto should go first because, not to age docs, not to dry snitch,

00:03:18.020 but he's been around a lot longer than both of us, especially in Canada, so.

00:03:23.920 Yeah, the thing about the residential schools is they were a largely,

00:03:31.980 and this is part of the whole story,

00:03:33.740 they were largely a progressive solution to solve the, quote-unquote, Indian problem, in a sense.

00:03:40.420 So, you know, Canada was put together as a mix of,

00:03:46.680 you had the British conquering the French and the native tribes,

00:03:52.140 and in, you know, rather than, say, annihilate everybody,

00:03:55.620 they reached settlements with both the French and also with the natives in terms of reserves,

00:04:01.740 and over the years, these settlements have been negotiated and renegotiated.

00:04:06.420 They get special tax breaks and so forth.

00:04:09.540 Now, the reserves have experienced all kinds of problems.

00:04:13.980 There are problems with alcoholism.

00:04:16.840 For whatever reason, the native population just has an intolerance,

00:04:21.780 like some people, like some people groups have intolerance to milk or cheese.

00:04:25.780 The native population does not react well to alcohol,

00:04:29.040 and so for some tribes that, you know,

00:04:33.600 even several drinks can basically make them alcoholics.

00:04:37.660 So you have some of these issues.

00:04:39.440 So then what happens to the kids of some of these folks that have been,

00:04:44.600 you know, in a sense, damaged through the process of conquest,

00:04:48.100 the reserves, just the sort of the marginalized place

00:04:52.520 that native Canadians have been in Canadian society.

00:04:57.760 So you get these kids who are sometimes parentless

00:05:02.760 or the parents are unable to take care of them.

00:05:04.600 They're with grandma and grandpa.

00:05:06.220 Then you have this whole progressive idea, you know, ideology in a sense,

00:05:09.640 we're going to help the native population integrate into Canada.

00:05:13.320 And so you begin to pack up a lot of these kids

00:05:17.160 and you put them into schools that are government funded,

00:05:22.320 but end up being run by churches, by the Catholic Church,

00:05:27.080 by the United Church, and so forth.

00:05:29.100 The Anglican Church as well.

00:05:30.580 Anglican Churches.

00:05:31.600 And so some of these schools were phenomenal.

00:05:34.260 Like you go through the list of stories,

00:05:37.000 and while you can hear horror stories,

00:05:39.800 and there's no denying some of these places were not good places

00:05:44.120 and some of the teachers were terrible people,

00:05:47.660 there are also some very good stories that come out of it,

00:05:50.540 like people who will claim that their lives were saved

00:05:52.900 by the residential schools and so forth and so forth.

00:05:55.180 So you often have underfunded teachers, pastors, priests

00:06:00.400 working in these residential schools,

00:06:03.920 trying to do the best that they can with many of these kids

00:06:07.540 who come in bringing problems with them

00:06:10.720 and try to deal with a tough situation.

00:06:14.400 And then, you know, kids get sick, they die,

00:06:18.460 they often put in requests for proper burials,

00:06:22.020 they get denied, and so they're, you know,

00:06:24.720 just buried in the churchyard.

00:06:27.020 And then eventually people realize, like,

00:06:29.180 well, maybe this whole sense of forced enculturation

00:06:31.800 is maybe not the most of progressive ideas,

00:06:35.680 and eventually they were shut down, like, what,

00:06:37.800 mid-90s they ran up until, right?

00:06:39.740 I think they were still going into the 90s.

00:06:41.480 The last major one was in the 1960s, if I recall,

00:06:44.160 but up until the 80s and 90s.

00:06:46.840 Yeah, and so they get shut down,

00:06:51.800 but then now there's this legacy,

00:06:54.220 so you have this, you know,

00:06:55.580 what do we make of them as Canadians?

00:06:57.520 Are they a good thing, a bad thing?

00:07:00.020 And generally people have sort of settled on,

00:07:02.260 well, this was a terrible era in Canadian history, right?

00:07:06.240 And so then you have a chief and a tribe out in BC

00:07:10.620 who, you know, makes the case that,

00:07:13.860 well, their oral history of their tribe,

00:07:18.340 so the stories they tell themselves

00:07:20.400 say that these schools were horrible

00:07:24.500 and that there are children buried in there.

00:07:26.680 There's, like, quote-unquote mass graves.

00:07:29.000 So somebody takes some ground penetrating radar,

00:07:31.260 goes out and finds what looks like

00:07:34.500 on the ground penetrating radar to be skeletons.

00:07:37.680 And then everything blows up in the press

00:07:40.820 and Justin Trudeau makes the comments

00:07:48.760 that, well, that, you know,

00:07:51.000 their feelings are justified.

00:07:53.840 Well, people said there was some,

00:07:55.720 I think the first what happened

00:07:56.940 is some churches got burned in response to this

00:07:59.900 and then Trudeau made the comment,

00:08:01.780 well, you know, people's feelings about this

00:08:04.180 are very understandable.

00:08:06.380 And then realizing that he'd made a big blunder,

00:08:08.800 tries to walk it back and say,

00:08:10.320 well, of course, attacks on churches are uncalled for.

00:08:13.920 But I think there's something like

00:08:14.940 we're north of 80 churches now have been set fire

00:08:18.120 or vandalized in some, like, severe way.

00:08:21.920 And so now it remains open,

00:08:23.320 but there was always from the very beginning

00:08:25.540 a segment of the population

00:08:29.020 who were very skeptical,

00:08:31.500 a number of academics,

00:08:33.420 some of whom lost their jobs because of that.

00:08:37.380 I'm trying to find, see if I can get her name.

00:08:40.160 But anyways, and so they have maintained

00:08:43.120 that, you know, there really isn't anything to this.

00:08:46.160 You know, and people were actually saying,

00:08:47.640 like, listen, we don't want to shy away

00:08:48.960 from the history.

00:08:50.040 We don't want to say that these places

00:08:51.740 were all, you know, sunshine and roses,

00:08:54.140 that bad things did happen.

00:08:55.660 Some people did get sexually abused.

00:08:58.320 Some kids did not end up dying of disease and neglect

00:09:01.980 because they didn't get proper medical care.

00:09:03.700 But sometimes because, you know,

00:09:05.360 the teachers and pastors and priests

00:09:07.300 were trying to tell the government,

00:09:08.460 hey, these kids need medical care,

00:09:09.820 but they weren't being gotten.

00:09:11.000 And so, you know, nobody wants to shy away from it.

00:09:15.100 But at the same time, people say, like, listen,

00:09:16.940 this story of mass graves and stuff

00:09:18.620 really just, you know, it strains credulity.

00:09:21.300 And so, yeah, but before we get into

00:09:23.140 then kind of what was discovered there,

00:09:24.940 I want to address a few of the things

00:09:26.260 that you kind of brought up.

00:09:28.180 So in some ways, you know,

00:09:31.540 there is a echo of this experience

00:09:34.180 in the United States

00:09:35.700 because there was this tension between,

00:09:38.300 like you said, you know,

00:09:38.960 you have these initial negotiations

00:09:42.960 and Native Americans were pushed

00:09:45.040 kind of further and further

00:09:46.060 into different parts of America

00:09:49.000 that weren't settled yet.

00:09:50.120 and eventually so much of the area was settled

00:09:52.420 that reservations were established.

00:09:54.660 And the big question that many people asked was,

00:09:57.040 you know, what do we do?

00:09:58.520 Do we try to make these people American?

00:10:00.880 Because their way of life is dead now, right?

00:10:04.280 There's no way that they can continue

00:10:06.020 completely in their traditional tribal mode of being.

00:10:09.520 They've made too much contact

00:10:10.760 with kind of modern European peoples.

00:10:13.040 And so they're not going to go back that way.

00:10:15.420 And so a lot of people made the argument

00:10:16.620 that these people need to be Christianized.

00:10:18.300 They need to be modernized.

00:10:19.720 They need to be brought into kind of American culture.

00:10:22.640 And these schools were set up.

00:10:24.620 At the same time,

00:10:25.380 there was a turning away from that eventually

00:10:27.620 and more of a respect for,

00:10:29.260 okay, actually you should be able

00:10:31.180 to continue your way as life as much as possible.

00:10:33.460 And so like reservations were respected

00:10:35.340 more and set up.

00:10:36.280 And so I don't think this is,

00:10:37.860 this is only the Canadian experience here,

00:10:40.380 but it sounds like there was a,

00:10:42.720 there was this hysteria that was fed into

00:10:45.160 a little bit because of the way this was framed.

00:10:48.620 And it's really the reaction

00:10:50.660 that was seen as justifiable

00:10:53.580 that I think is the most shocking part of it.

00:10:56.880 Because like you said,

00:10:57.880 people had contested this from the beginning,

00:11:00.180 but they were fired.

00:11:02.000 They were silenced.

00:11:03.080 There seemed to be basically

00:11:04.160 almost a legal blackout of Canadian media

00:11:07.500 on discussing any other views

00:11:09.560 on what could be true about this,

00:11:11.400 that kind of thing.

00:11:11.960 I remember one of the reasons this came on my radar

00:11:14.900 is all of these churches were burning down

00:11:17.420 and people like Lauren Southern were saying,

00:11:20.500 oh no, this isn't true.

00:11:21.940 There's evidence that this isn't true.

00:11:23.480 And she was just shouted down,

00:11:24.700 called a racist, completely canceled.

00:11:26.860 I believe the Pope ended up apologizing for this.

00:11:30.220 He did.

00:11:31.140 Justin Pedro ended up,

00:11:32.960 like you said, justifying this.

00:11:35.400 I mean, those churches burned.

00:11:37.380 And was anyone brought to justice for that?

00:11:39.980 Was anyone ever held accountable for that?

00:11:44.500 Well, if Kryptos, I have a few points,

00:11:46.740 but if you wanted to finish.

00:11:48.520 Well, I was going to say too,

00:11:49.820 like it's interesting,

00:11:51.220 like even the burning of churches

00:11:52.380 is controversial in the native community

00:11:55.140 because many of these churches

00:11:56.460 are active functioning,

00:11:59.100 like centers of community life

00:12:01.940 in the reserve communities, right?

00:12:04.440 So it's not like they were attacking

00:12:07.220 like the white man's religion,

00:12:09.280 whatever, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:10.140 These are their own churches, right?

00:12:12.540 That people were burning down.

00:12:13.820 Right.

00:12:14.200 Well, we have to distinguish

00:12:15.080 that the vast majority of these church burnings

00:12:17.160 were not done by indigenous people.

00:12:18.700 They were done by white Antifa

00:12:20.560 and other leftist groups.

00:12:23.280 Yes.

00:12:23.920 There maybe have been a few indigenous people involved,

00:12:26.880 but these churches,

00:12:28.520 they do provide community centers and so forth.

00:12:31.480 But yeah, yeah, so, but I,

00:12:36.220 oh, sorry, go ahead.

00:12:37.660 No, you go ahead, you go ahead.

00:12:38.940 Well, what I wanted to say

00:12:40.220 is that to be as optical as possible,

00:12:42.780 I may come off as being a bit liberal,

00:12:45.100 but, you know, I have a great respect

00:12:48.880 and reverence for the indigenous people.

00:12:50.540 But I think another thing,

00:12:51.800 the historical context would be

00:12:53.360 that the experience between the French

00:12:56.640 and the British in Canada

00:12:57.680 is quite different in some respects

00:13:00.680 than Americans.

00:13:02.300 Well, I mean, Americans are British at one time,

00:13:04.140 but you know what I mean, Americans.

00:13:05.780 Especially after when the constitution

00:13:07.560 was established and so forth.

00:13:09.000 And, you know, and let's face it,

00:13:10.500 you did have a lot of horrific abuses

00:13:13.580 and outright, you know,

00:13:15.840 campaigns against the indigenous people in America.

00:13:19.180 You know, people talk about Andrew Jackson

00:13:20.560 and so forth.

00:13:21.380 But in Canada,

00:13:22.140 because of the vastness of the wilderness

00:13:23.800 and because of going way back

00:13:26.320 to Champlain and the French,

00:13:28.820 the reliance between settlers

00:13:30.640 and the indigenous people

00:13:32.220 that were already here,

00:13:33.520 the establishment was a bit different

00:13:35.820 because of having to deal

00:13:37.760 with the Canadian wilderness itself.

00:13:40.120 And then later on,

00:13:40.980 when established,

00:13:41.940 when settlements were established

00:13:43.560 by the British and French,

00:13:44.800 then you start to have

00:13:46.400 a different character of relationships

00:13:48.880 between the indigenous people

00:13:50.540 and, you know,

00:13:51.480 the British and the French and so forth,

00:13:53.400 for anglophone and francophone,

00:13:54.860 for those who are American

00:13:56.120 that don't know the,

00:13:57.500 you know, that's what we call it

00:13:58.440 here in Canada.

00:13:59.820 So, but I would say that

00:14:01.060 when it comes to the issue,

00:14:04.140 contemporary church burnings,

00:14:06.120 we have to realize that, yes,

00:14:09.300 the residential school system

00:14:10.740 in a lot of ways,

00:14:13.160 even if there was,

00:14:14.280 there was many positive experiences,

00:14:15.960 as Krupto says,

00:14:17.140 but the issue is the sort of

00:14:19.240 the nature of it themselves

00:14:20.480 in the sense that they are

00:14:21.720 taking children

00:14:22.840 and they're placing them

00:14:24.280 vast distances sometimes

00:14:27.020 from their reservations.

00:14:30.160 If the program would have

00:14:31.680 been done differently,

00:14:32.780 if there would have been schools

00:14:33.680 established on the reservations,

00:14:36.620 and in a lot of sense,

00:14:38.020 in a lot of cases,

00:14:40.460 these children were being protected

00:14:42.220 by abuses on the reservations.

00:14:44.900 But then, of course,

00:14:46.000 because of lack of oversight

00:14:47.280 and funding,

00:14:48.140 there was horrific amounts

00:14:49.880 of abuse in some places

00:14:51.260 of sexual and physical nature.

00:14:53.920 But when it comes to the issue

00:14:55.580 of children dying,

00:14:58.800 now, there were higher

00:15:01.560 than average amounts

00:15:02.860 of child mortality rates

00:15:04.460 on and off reservations

00:15:06.340 for indigenous children.

00:15:07.900 And this is for a variety

00:15:08.900 of reasons.

00:15:10.340 Neglect, also genetically,

00:15:12.440 when it comes to, say,

00:15:15.220 you know,

00:15:16.380 descendants of European children

00:15:18.160 that have exposure much more

00:15:20.100 to, you know,

00:15:20.900 certain pathogens and so forth,

00:15:22.800 the tuberculosis rates,

00:15:24.740 the rates of diphtheria

00:15:26.640 and other illnesses,

00:15:27.900 there was a big study done

00:15:30.560 after World War I

00:15:31.980 on a lot of these grave sites

00:15:33.780 and these children.

00:15:35.100 A lot of it was disease.

00:15:36.240 And also, I would say that,

00:15:37.720 yes, there were childhood deaths

00:15:39.580 attributed to abuse.

00:15:41.180 This is a fact

00:15:42.440 that we could not shy away from.

00:15:44.280 Now, when it comes

00:15:45.180 to the definition of,

00:15:46.600 I can't say for YouTube

00:15:47.680 for Oren's channel's sake,

00:15:49.360 but let's call it G-word-I.

00:15:51.840 The discourse in Canada

00:15:53.200 is that do the residential schools

00:15:55.480 constitute a form

00:15:57.660 of cultural G-word-I?

00:15:59.640 Now, I would say that

00:16:00.880 trying to get rid of their language

00:16:03.000 and culture

00:16:03.620 and taking away these children

00:16:04.940 all the way up to the 60s,

00:16:06.620 I would say that, yes,

00:16:07.800 I would agree that

00:16:08.860 that in itself was

00:16:10.680 like Kripto said,

00:16:12.560 may have been the liberalism

00:16:13.640 of the day.

00:16:15.040 But still,

00:16:16.140 in terms of contemporary standards,

00:16:17.800 yes,

00:16:18.520 that was an incredible abuse

00:16:19.940 and the lack of oversight

00:16:21.120 and everything.

00:16:21.860 We cannot shy away from this.

00:16:23.740 But when it comes

00:16:24.560 to the contemporary

00:16:25.400 political context

00:16:26.620 of these church burnings

00:16:28.400 that result from the

00:16:29.520 issue of the

00:16:30.620 quote-unquote

00:16:31.060 mass graves,

00:16:32.280 this is the problem.

00:16:33.860 When you use that word,

00:16:35.420 mass graves,

00:16:36.640 we all know,

00:16:37.460 I don't want,

00:16:39.240 again,

00:16:39.480 for you too,

00:16:39.980 we can't say it.

00:16:40.240 We all know what it conjures,

00:16:41.200 yeah.

00:16:41.480 We all know that event

00:16:43.020 in the 20th century

00:16:44.000 that it conjures,

00:16:44.840 okay?

00:16:45.560 Mid-century,

00:16:46.460 you know.

00:16:47.100 So I think that

00:16:48.360 it was a combination

00:16:50.160 of media

00:16:52.260 politicking,

00:16:53.920 passive admission

00:16:55.500 by the Trudeau government

00:16:56.380 that it's almost,

00:16:57.920 I mean,

00:16:58.400 not Trudeau himself,

00:16:59.520 but there were certainly

00:17:00.520 members of the Trudeau government

00:17:03.160 that said that

00:17:04.160 not only was this justified,

00:17:05.420 but like there were some

00:17:06.500 that were almost passively

00:17:07.600 cheering it on,

00:17:08.820 right?

00:17:09.940 But also when it comes

00:17:11.300 to Indigenous people

00:17:12.140 themselves,

00:17:14.080 another factor is that

00:17:15.580 while this whole thing

00:17:16.820 about mass graves

00:17:17.640 is going on,

00:17:18.880 there was always

00:17:20.020 this relationship

00:17:21.380 between Indigenous peoples

00:17:23.400 and the Liberal Party.

00:17:24.900 We have to realize

00:17:25.880 that there are still

00:17:26.580 reservations in Canada

00:17:27.840 that do not have

00:17:28.940 running water,

00:17:30.240 that people live

00:17:30.960 in almost third world

00:17:31.660 conditions.

00:17:32.880 And Trudeau has been,

00:17:33.980 how long has it been

00:17:34.520 Cryptos?

00:17:34.840 Eight years?

00:17:36.000 At least.

00:17:37.380 At least.

00:17:38.300 And this is going back

00:17:39.140 to his father,

00:17:40.060 or well,

00:17:40.400 I guess stepfather,

00:17:41.200 whatever.

00:17:41.620 But for his father,

00:17:43.260 the relationship,

00:17:44.320 you know,

00:17:45.020 I don't mean to joke,

00:17:46.240 but I,

00:17:46.880 you know,

00:17:47.760 the relationship

00:17:49.440 between the,

00:17:49.860 the resemblances are there.

00:17:51.160 Yeah,

00:17:51.580 yeah,

00:17:51.760 but the relationship

00:17:52.920 between the Liberal Party

00:17:54.020 and Indigenous communities

00:17:56.000 has been long established,

00:17:57.080 has been a contentious one.

00:17:58.740 And I think

00:17:59.740 that it's done

00:18:00.260 a massive disservice

00:18:01.700 to neglect the real abuses

00:18:05.540 and to conjure a fantastical story

00:18:08.600 about mass graves

00:18:10.540 and other things

00:18:11.820 that that conjures up

00:18:12.920 when we have reservations

00:18:14.780 and people that live

00:18:15.980 in reservations

00:18:16.700 that are not having

00:18:18.600 their needs met

00:18:19.500 despite the funding.

00:18:21.140 Now,

00:18:21.240 you have to remember

00:18:21.780 the one thing.

00:18:22.480 Now,

00:18:22.540 listen,

00:18:23.640 Stephen Harper

00:18:24.280 is not,

00:18:25.780 by American standards,

00:18:27.020 would be the reddest,

00:18:28.800 sorry,

00:18:29.060 the bluest

00:18:29.660 of blue dog

00:18:31.000 or whatever you want

00:18:32.080 to call rhinos,

00:18:32.900 or you'd be the bluest

00:18:33.580 of rhinos,

00:18:34.560 okay?

00:18:34.900 He is not a far-right person.

00:18:37.460 But during his administration,

00:18:38.960 he wanted to push through

00:18:40.060 what he called

00:18:40.800 the Accountability Act

00:18:41.940 to say that

00:18:43.420 for a long time

00:18:45.060 when it comes to funding

00:18:46.160 for reservations

00:18:47.020 and Indigenous programs,

00:18:48.780 there has been

00:18:49.380 kind of a lack of oversight.

00:18:51.480 The first thing

00:18:52.260 that Trudeau did

00:18:53.060 when he came to power

00:18:54.240 was to get rid of

00:18:55.780 Stephen Harper's

00:18:56.560 Accountability Act,

00:18:57.860 right?

00:18:58.620 Now,

00:18:59.140 this was not

00:18:59.740 a far-right thing.

00:19:01.320 This was Stephen Harper

00:19:02.460 we're talking about here.

00:19:03.720 But the first thing

00:19:04.720 that Trudeau did

00:19:05.340 was get rid of it.

00:19:06.700 Now,

00:19:07.120 I think that

00:19:07.860 it's a combination

00:19:08.600 of a lack of oversight,

00:19:10.740 political passivity

00:19:11.800 within the culture

00:19:12.640 of the Liberal Party,

00:19:14.100 but also

00:19:14.700 this sort of

00:19:15.340 media fabulation

00:19:16.420 that in part,

00:19:17.880 you have to realize

00:19:18.300 the context.

00:19:19.420 This is 2021.

00:19:21.000 This is coming off

00:19:21.980 of the

00:19:22.420 summer of love

00:19:23.860 from in America.

00:19:25.160 A lot of what

00:19:26.820 Liberals do

00:19:27.520 and leftists do

00:19:28.260 in Canada

00:19:28.720 is they have to

00:19:29.560 create

00:19:30.060 a similar

00:19:31.480 atmosphere

00:19:32.640 as a lot of

00:19:34.160 contentious

00:19:34.740 leftist political

00:19:36.360 issues in America.

00:19:37.740 And I believe

00:19:38.660 that a lot of

00:19:39.320 the driving force

00:19:40.080 in terms of

00:19:40.640 the media,

00:19:41.800 in terms of

00:19:42.460 the Liberals

00:19:42.920 and the media,

00:19:43.660 is basically

00:19:44.840 to say that,

00:19:45.600 okay,

00:19:45.980 we can have

00:19:46.780 also,

00:19:47.360 kind of like

00:19:47.760 the Democrats

00:19:48.180 in the States,

00:19:48.920 we can have

00:19:49.520 our issues too.

00:19:50.240 And all

00:19:51.540 of this

00:19:51.920 is in the

00:19:52.300 backdrop

00:19:52.660 of the

00:19:53.260 real-world

00:19:54.080 problems

00:19:54.720 that

00:19:55.720 Indigenous

00:19:56.380 people

00:19:56.740 face

00:19:57.120 in Canada.

00:19:58.140 Now,

00:19:58.500 the rates

00:19:59.160 of women

00:20:00.880 disappearing

00:20:01.580 as well,

00:20:02.240 Indigenous

00:20:02.460 women

00:20:02.780 who

00:20:03.420 escape

00:20:04.060 horrific

00:20:04.480 abuses

00:20:04.960 on the

00:20:05.660 reservations

00:20:06.120 that end

00:20:06.940 up in

00:20:07.200 places like

00:20:07.760 Vancouver

00:20:08.300 and end

00:20:09.420 up tragically

00:20:10.820 being trafficked

00:20:11.960 and so forth,

00:20:12.900 some of them

00:20:13.520 meeting people

00:20:14.120 like Robert

00:20:14.720 Pickton,

00:20:15.760 that by the

00:20:16.500 way was a

00:20:16.900 huge blunder

00:20:17.380 with policing

00:20:17.960 in Canada

00:20:18.760 and Vancouver

00:20:19.360 in particular,

00:20:20.240 I mean,

00:20:20.720 all of these

00:20:21.140 issues go

00:20:21.760 unmentioned

00:20:23.120 because of

00:20:24.420 the media

00:20:26.460 apparatus

00:20:27.100 around

00:20:27.660 the quote-unquote

00:20:30.100 mass graves.

00:20:31.240 And there's

00:20:31.540 been a lot

00:20:31.880 of journalists,

00:20:32.540 people on the

00:20:33.080 political left

00:20:33.580 like Terry

00:20:34.200 Glavin,

00:20:34.900 who published

00:20:35.560 that article

00:20:36.120 that he got

00:20:36.660 absolutely

00:20:37.340 fragged for

00:20:38.200 in the

00:20:38.780 National Post,

00:20:40.500 a man who's

00:20:41.260 been talking

00:20:42.100 about and

00:20:42.660 writing about

00:20:43.420 Indigenous

00:20:43.720 issues for

00:20:44.700 multiple decades

00:20:45.640 since at least

00:20:46.280 the 1980s.

00:20:47.620 Terry Glavin

00:20:48.160 is not a

00:20:48.620 right-wing person.

00:20:49.240 He is a

00:20:51.280 lib,

00:20:51.780 right?

00:20:52.400 But he was

00:20:53.000 dragged through

00:20:53.540 the mud,

00:20:53.940 his name was

00:20:54.400 dragged through

00:20:54.760 the mud.

00:20:55.500 And yes,

00:20:55.960 there are

00:20:56.320 problems with

00:20:57.280 his reporting

00:20:57.780 as well.

00:20:58.220 There was

00:20:58.440 this,

00:20:59.540 for example,

00:21:00.100 in Canada

00:21:00.640 land,

00:21:00.920 which is

00:21:01.200 more of

00:21:01.560 a leftist

00:21:02.220 liberal

00:21:02.860 publication,

00:21:04.060 they,

00:21:04.400 you know,

00:21:04.640 poked holes

00:21:05.200 in his

00:21:05.620 story,

00:21:06.200 but they

00:21:06.800 were pretty

00:21:07.140 fair.

00:21:08.180 But despite

00:21:08.940 that,

00:21:09.380 he still

00:21:09.800 stuck his

00:21:10.360 neck out

00:21:10.740 to say

00:21:11.080 that maybe

00:21:12.120 there should

00:21:12.660 be greater

00:21:13.120 accountability

00:21:13.640 by journalists

00:21:14.700 when it

00:21:15.560 comes to

00:21:16.020 reporting on

00:21:16.560 Indigenous

00:21:16.880 issues,

00:21:17.280 because he

00:21:17.980 had been

00:21:18.220 reporting on

00:21:18.760 Indigenous

00:21:19.040 issues for

00:21:19.700 a very

00:21:20.800 long time

00:21:21.440 from a

00:21:22.100 liberal

00:21:22.360 perspective.

00:21:23.680 And that's

00:21:23.900 just one

00:21:24.200 example.

00:21:24.720 And Kryptos was

00:21:25.360 saying there's

00:21:25.780 academics who

00:21:26.380 have been

00:21:26.600 also dragged

00:21:27.700 through the

00:21:28.040 mud because

00:21:28.480 of it.

00:21:28.840 Some of

00:21:29.280 them were

00:21:29.580 also

00:21:29.840 Indigenous

00:21:30.140 people,

00:21:30.660 by the

00:21:30.920 way,

00:21:31.460 that were

00:21:31.760 Indigenous

00:21:32.100 studies

00:21:33.320 that said

00:21:34.160 that maybe

00:21:34.580 this is the

00:21:35.160 wrong approach

00:21:35.780 to addressing

00:21:36.780 the lived

00:21:37.740 experiences of

00:21:38.740 Indigenous

00:21:39.080 people in

00:21:39.700 Canada.

00:21:39.940 So that's

00:21:40.580 my little

00:21:40.960 rant.

00:21:41.360 I just

00:21:41.560 wanted to

00:21:42.380 nuance this

00:21:43.320 whole thing

00:21:43.780 because I

00:21:44.420 do admit

00:21:44.880 that it's

00:21:46.020 a very

00:21:46.380 tragic history

00:21:47.240 when it

00:21:47.860 comes to

00:21:48.240 residential

00:21:48.580 schools.

00:21:49.540 And the

00:21:49.760 way that

00:21:50.140 it was

00:21:50.380 set up

00:21:50.940 does

00:21:52.180 constitute

00:21:52.800 abuse

00:21:54.280 when it

00:21:54.960 comes to

00:21:55.340 taking

00:21:55.640 children right

00:21:56.580 up into

00:21:56.860 the 1960s.

00:21:57.740 I know

00:21:58.000 Indigenous

00:21:59.640 people who

00:22:00.320 have been

00:22:00.640 a product

00:22:01.120 of that

00:22:01.640 seizure

00:22:02.380 efforts

00:22:03.320 during the

00:22:04.920 60s of

00:22:05.960 Indigenous

00:22:06.520 children.

00:22:08.260 But the

00:22:09.080 way that

00:22:09.640 they

00:22:09.800 approached

00:22:10.320 it,

00:22:10.640 the way

00:22:11.160 that it

00:22:11.580 fomented

00:22:12.400 hatred

00:22:13.400 and abuse

00:22:14.020 towards

00:22:14.540 churches.

00:22:15.500 There were

00:22:16.200 Orthodox

00:22:16.700 churches that

00:22:17.520 got burned

00:22:18.020 because,

00:22:18.940 of course,

00:22:19.340 it's like

00:22:19.940 the media.

00:22:20.700 They all

00:22:20.900 look the

00:22:21.220 same,

00:22:21.480 right?

00:22:21.920 They all

00:22:22.280 look the

00:22:22.560 same,

00:22:22.860 exactly.

00:22:24.260 If you

00:22:25.560 look at

00:22:27.660 the map

00:22:29.260 of where

00:22:30.860 these 83

00:22:31.920 churches are

00:22:32.860 that have

00:22:33.240 been vandalized,

00:22:34.480 they're

00:22:36.540 spread all

00:22:38.060 over Canada.

00:22:38.780 urban areas

00:22:40.940 out east,

00:22:42.180 up north,

00:22:43.380 in places

00:22:44.660 in Ontario

00:22:45.460 that,

00:22:46.180 I mean,

00:22:46.700 there were

00:22:47.320 Native

00:22:47.480 populations

00:22:48.000 everywhere and

00:22:48.520 there's

00:22:48.720 reserves

00:22:49.080 everywhere.

00:22:49.780 I mean,

00:22:50.060 the whole

00:22:50.900 history of

00:22:52.260 the quote-unquote

00:22:55.380 native problem

00:22:56.320 has been

00:22:57.300 difficult from

00:22:58.080 the get-go

00:22:58.520 because the

00:22:59.780 solution of

00:23:00.620 the reserves

00:23:01.620 reserves and

00:23:02.360 then largely

00:23:04.220 the federal

00:23:04.720 government

00:23:05.340 just funding

00:23:07.640 the life

00:23:08.260 of Native

00:23:09.720 Canadians

00:23:10.280 has also

00:23:11.900 been disastrous

00:23:12.780 for them

00:23:13.260 because it

00:23:13.660 really,

00:23:14.520 it shows

00:23:15.780 you what

00:23:18.140 rampant

00:23:19.280 welfare will

00:23:20.020 do to a

00:23:20.900 people in

00:23:21.300 terms of

00:23:21.640 just destroying

00:23:22.500 them.

00:23:22.780 And it's

00:23:24.880 been tragic

00:23:25.540 because you

00:23:26.000 basically,

00:23:27.180 you take

00:23:28.640 away all

00:23:29.240 of the

00:23:29.540 initiative,

00:23:30.400 the self-drive,

00:23:33.020 whatever is

00:23:34.120 left culturally

00:23:35.160 of a people

00:23:35.740 to be

00:23:36.240 themselves,

00:23:36.860 become

00:23:37.200 themselves,

00:23:37.760 is just

00:23:39.320 gone.

00:23:41.920 And then

00:23:42.660 you deal

00:23:43.460 with the

00:23:43.860 corruption,

00:23:44.560 the grift,

00:23:45.140 and everything.

00:23:46.940 And it

00:23:47.700 has just

00:23:48.040 been a

00:23:48.320 festering

00:23:48.640 problem for

00:23:49.220 years and

00:23:49.880 years now.

00:23:50.440 There's land

00:23:50.960 disputes.

00:23:53.220 I mean,

00:23:54.160 yeah,

00:23:54.480 in southwestern

00:23:55.100 Ontario,

00:23:55.440 we've dealt

00:23:55.840 with it

00:23:56.160 numerous times

00:23:57.000 where they've

00:23:57.360 shut down

00:23:57.860 major highways,

00:23:59.480 blocked off

00:24:00.160 a whole

00:24:02.500 section of

00:24:03.160 southern Ontario,

00:24:03.980 just basically

00:24:04.540 set up

00:24:05.020 blockades and

00:24:05.800 just dared

00:24:06.240 the government

00:24:06.660 to come in

00:24:07.120 and take it

00:24:07.920 away from

00:24:08.320 them,

00:24:08.520 right?

00:24:09.040 These sorts

00:24:09.680 of things.

00:24:10.180 And then

00:24:10.440 up by

00:24:10.740 Ipperwash,

00:24:11.740 same sort

00:24:13.080 of deal

00:24:13.460 where they

00:24:13.780 just took

00:24:14.640 over

00:24:14.880 Provincial

00:24:15.320 Park and

00:24:15.840 just said,

00:24:16.420 this is

00:24:16.600 ours,

00:24:17.680 right?

00:24:18.040 And then

00:24:18.500 dared the

00:24:19.080 government to

00:24:19.520 come in and

00:24:19.860 take it away

00:24:20.280 from them,

00:24:20.740 right?

00:24:20.960 So these

00:24:21.880 standoffs have

00:24:23.020 been going

00:24:23.340 on for

00:24:23.720 quite some

00:24:24.200 time.

00:24:24.780 The Oka

00:24:25.360 crisis.

00:24:26.220 The Oka

00:24:26.620 crisis,

00:24:27.700 yeah.

00:24:29.900 And so,

00:24:30.940 but this

00:24:33.200 residential

00:24:33.960 school,

00:24:34.940 from a

00:24:35.280 propaganda

00:24:35.780 perspective,

00:24:36.660 gave the

00:24:38.020 liberal

00:24:38.580 government

00:24:39.060 and leftist

00:24:40.460 activists a

00:24:41.620 perfect

00:24:42.340 opportunity

00:24:43.140 to

00:24:43.820 shift the

00:24:45.220 blame from

00:24:46.100 where it

00:24:46.600 property

00:24:47.080 belongs,

00:24:47.940 which is,

00:24:48.760 you know,

00:24:49.320 half a

00:24:50.580 century of

00:24:51.860 government

00:24:52.580 mismanagement

00:24:53.420 and bad

00:24:54.080 ideas and

00:24:55.680 to just

00:24:56.360 kind of

00:24:56.820 wink and

00:24:57.440 nod and

00:24:58.140 say,

00:24:58.800 oh,

00:24:59.160 you know

00:24:59.380 what?

00:25:00.640 It was the

00:25:01.480 Christian's

00:25:01.940 fault.

00:25:02.940 And that

00:25:03.120 was really,

00:25:03.880 and that

00:25:04.180 was basically

00:25:04.920 like nobody

00:25:05.900 really said

00:25:07.340 it out loud

00:25:08.080 except Trudeau

00:25:08.780 kind of

00:25:09.360 did.

00:25:09.700 Well,

00:25:12.180 Gerald Butz

00:25:12.740 did his

00:25:13.100 big

00:25:13.320 advisor.

00:25:14.460 Yeah,

00:25:14.760 basically said,

00:25:15.820 and there

00:25:15.960 was a

00:25:16.160 couple of

00:25:16.440 people out

00:25:16.820 in BC

00:25:17.240 who ended

00:25:17.700 up resigning

00:25:18.460 activists

00:25:19.480 because they

00:25:20.060 tweeted out,

00:25:20.780 you know,

00:25:20.940 they have it

00:25:21.400 coming.

00:25:22.620 But it

00:25:23.840 wasn't just

00:25:24.540 like,

00:25:24.880 because it

00:25:25.320 isn't just

00:25:25.740 one church,

00:25:26.660 and as

00:25:27.040 Gio was

00:25:27.340 saying too,

00:25:27.860 because it's

00:25:28.560 a lot of

00:25:28.980 this is,

00:25:29.760 you know,

00:25:30.800 Antifa

00:25:31.700 thugs,

00:25:32.740 you know,

00:25:33.000 young left-wing

00:25:33.880 activists doing

00:25:36.380 a lot of

00:25:36.940 this.

00:25:37.600 It isn't

00:25:38.480 just,

00:25:39.060 anger being

00:25:40.420 borne out

00:25:41.080 of the

00:25:41.300 native

00:25:41.480 community

00:25:42.080 that is

00:25:43.000 sort of

00:25:43.380 like,

00:25:43.960 now they

00:25:44.480 can kind

00:25:44.800 of release

00:25:45.360 all these

00:25:45.800 feelings that

00:25:46.360 they've had

00:25:46.680 for years

00:25:47.120 and years.

00:25:47.880 A lot of

00:25:48.600 it is just

00:25:49.100 purely a

00:25:50.540 creation of

00:25:51.120 propaganda.

00:25:51.820 You have

00:25:52.080 left-wing

00:25:52.500 activists that

00:25:53.420 had an

00:25:53.780 issue now

00:25:54.320 and were

00:25:54.620 given

00:25:54.840 permission

00:25:55.380 to basically

00:25:56.780 go and

00:25:58.340 engage in

00:25:59.820 a pogrom

00:26:00.300 against

00:26:00.600 Christians in

00:26:01.260 Canada,

00:26:01.580 and the

00:26:02.480 prime minister

00:26:02.900 just basically

00:26:03.520 winked and

00:26:04.020 nodded and

00:26:04.500 did nothing.

00:26:05.160 Like,

00:26:05.280 I don't think

00:26:05.560 anybody's ever

00:26:06.160 been prosecuted

00:26:06.820 for it at

00:26:07.240 all.

00:26:07.700 Like,

00:26:07.860 I mean,

00:26:09.060 I may have

00:26:09.560 missed a

00:26:09.960 story,

00:26:10.460 but there's

00:26:11.460 none that

00:26:11.860 comes to

00:26:12.240 mind where

00:26:12.560 a single

00:26:12.840 person has

00:26:13.400 actually been

00:26:13.820 prosecuted for

00:26:14.560 the whole

00:26:14.860 thing.

00:26:15.540 Yeah,

00:26:15.700 I mean,

00:26:15.960 I hate to

00:26:16.740 be the

00:26:16.960 American that

00:26:17.560 just is like,

00:26:18.120 this is just

00:26:18.560 like America,

00:26:19.360 but I mean,

00:26:19.720 in this case,

00:26:20.360 I think it's

00:26:21.220 appropriate.

00:26:21.760 you know,

00:26:22.520 it's hard not

00:26:23.200 to pretend

00:26:23.600 like this

00:26:24.020 isn't,

00:26:24.440 again,

00:26:24.780 as kind

00:26:25.180 of Gio

00:26:25.480 pointed out,

00:26:26.240 a mirror

00:26:26.760 of the

00:26:27.240 BLM

00:26:27.700 situation

00:26:28.460 where you

00:26:29.280 had a

00:26:29.820 community,

00:26:30.820 whether people

00:26:31.300 felt they

00:26:32.100 had legitimate

00:26:33.600 grievances

00:26:34.200 or not,

00:26:35.460 whose,

00:26:35.980 you know,

00:26:36.420 attempts at

00:26:37.160 this thing,

00:26:37.640 you know,

00:26:37.860 which were

00:26:38.820 kind of

00:26:39.740 violent on

00:26:40.380 their end,

00:26:41.100 were only

00:26:41.460 magnified by

00:26:42.720 basically government

00:26:43.740 sponsored

00:26:44.640 activists who

00:26:45.600 went out of

00:26:46.040 the way to

00:26:46.960 turn a

00:26:47.760 particular

00:26:48.540 isolated

00:26:49.360 incident

00:26:50.000 into a

00:26:50.940 nationwide

00:26:51.640 violent

00:26:52.740 spree of

00:26:53.500 rioting

00:26:54.120 that was,

00:26:54.980 again,

00:26:55.280 100%

00:26:55.920 subsidized and

00:26:56.660 approved by

00:26:57.200 the government

00:26:57.600 itself.

00:26:58.600 And Canada,

00:26:59.320 you know,

00:26:59.560 in this scenario,

00:27:00.680 they're burning

00:27:01.000 down churches,

00:27:02.080 they're tearing

00:27:02.580 down statues.

00:27:04.320 You can see,

00:27:05.080 again,

00:27:05.300 it feels like

00:27:06.100 this is a

00:27:06.580 feature almost

00:27:07.800 of kind of

00:27:08.820 these,

00:27:09.380 you know,

00:27:10.400 global American

00:27:11.100 empire affiliated

00:27:12.400 countries to

00:27:14.660 have this

00:27:15.260 pattern emerge

00:27:16.680 of saying,

00:27:17.520 like you were

00:27:18.220 saying,

00:27:18.480 Joe,

00:27:18.740 we can do

00:27:19.340 this too.

00:27:19.980 We can

00:27:20.700 signal our

00:27:21.480 allegiance to

00:27:22.620 kind of the

00:27:23.200 home political

00:27:24.340 party by,

00:27:25.800 you know,

00:27:26.080 by having a

00:27:27.180 similar event

00:27:27.780 here and

00:27:28.600 showing our

00:27:29.100 battle against

00:27:29.660 oppression and

00:27:30.420 co-opting it in

00:27:31.080 the same way,

00:27:32.200 you know,

00:27:32.380 driving out

00:27:32.880 activists in

00:27:33.440 the same way,

00:27:34.480 having the

00:27:34.880 same wink

00:27:35.360 and nod

00:27:35.980 acceptance by

00:27:37.260 the government,

00:27:38.040 the lack of

00:27:38.720 any kind of

00:27:39.320 law enforcement,

00:27:40.340 the anarcho

00:27:40.880 tyranny,

00:27:41.720 just mirroring

00:27:42.960 kind of the

00:27:43.820 ruling formula

00:27:44.820 in a different

00:27:45.760 place with a

00:27:46.360 different issue.

00:27:47.200 It rhymes with

00:27:48.600 the same

00:27:49.500 kind of

00:27:50.060 events that

00:27:51.080 happened there.

00:27:52.060 100%.

00:27:52.580 I mean,

00:27:53.540 like, for

00:27:54.280 example,

00:27:54.820 I mean,

00:27:55.220 well,

00:27:55.900 the model is

00:27:56.840 like I've

00:27:57.140 always said,

00:27:57.660 the psychology

00:27:58.200 of it is very

00:27:58.700 interesting because,

00:27:59.520 you know,

00:28:00.640 libs in Canada

00:28:01.360 are kind of like

00:28:02.060 the bluest of

00:28:03.280 blue dog Democrats.

00:28:04.140 as much as they

00:28:06.480 hate America and

00:28:07.900 they hate the

00:28:08.680 sort of like,

00:28:10.100 I would say,

00:28:10.760 truncated old

00:28:11.820 version of like

00:28:12.880 John Stewart

00:28:13.920 Jesus land

00:28:14.740 version of

00:28:15.240 America that

00:28:16.000 probably doesn't

00:28:16.660 exist anymore.

00:28:17.940 Or maybe,

00:28:18.660 well,

00:28:18.900 under Trump,

00:28:19.560 it was sort of

00:28:20.060 revived to

00:28:20.620 them.

00:28:21.720 They really,

00:28:22.880 spiritually,

00:28:23.520 they sort of

00:28:24.180 have the same

00:28:24.660 model.

00:28:25.120 I mean,

00:28:25.980 let's remember

00:28:26.580 that there was

00:28:27.080 a period during

00:28:28.820 2020 where

00:28:30.420 they're like,

00:28:30.780 well,

00:28:30.980 we don't have

00:28:31.800 any Confederate

00:28:32.380 general statues

00:28:33.460 to get rid of.

00:28:34.500 Who are we

00:28:34.700 going to get

00:28:34.960 rid of?

00:28:35.300 Oh,

00:28:35.480 Johnny MacDonald.

00:28:36.860 And let's face

00:28:37.500 it,

00:28:37.640 yes,

00:28:37.860 of course,

00:28:38.240 Johnny MacDonald

00:28:38.840 had a,

00:28:39.340 you know,

00:28:40.700 a problematic

00:28:41.260 relationship to

00:28:42.180 the indigenous

00:28:42.620 people.

00:28:43.320 But I mean,

00:28:43.960 it's basically

00:28:44.500 the equivalent

00:28:45.020 of like,

00:28:45.680 well,

00:28:45.860 in America,

00:28:46.400 let's get rid

00:28:47.820 of George

00:28:48.220 Washington's

00:28:49.020 statue.

00:28:49.520 That's like,

00:28:50.040 you know,

00:28:51.080 in terms of

00:28:51.580 founding of

00:28:52.320 modern Canada.

00:28:53.500 Did they get

00:28:54.280 rid of George

00:28:55.340 Washington's

00:28:55.940 statues?

00:28:56.820 They were

00:28:57.340 pulling down

00:28:57.960 Abraham Lincoln's

00:28:58.860 statues.

00:28:59.380 They were pulling

00:28:59.780 down Teddy

00:29:00.300 Roosevelt's

00:29:00.900 statues.

00:29:02.020 Oh,

00:29:02.300 yeah.

00:29:03.460 Washington.

00:29:04.320 Oh,

00:29:04.340 my God.

00:29:05.020 Nobody was

00:29:05.640 safe.

00:29:06.240 They did.

00:29:06.600 No.

00:29:07.000 Well,

00:29:07.520 and they

00:29:07.640 were,

00:29:08.200 I think

00:29:08.900 they were

00:29:09.060 pulling down,

00:29:09.780 you know,

00:29:10.240 statues of

00:29:11.720 the queen

00:29:12.060 and stuff

00:29:12.540 in Canada,

00:29:14.320 right?

00:29:14.660 Oh,

00:29:14.840 yes.

00:29:15.480 Yeah.

00:29:16.400 Yeah.

00:29:16.600 Nothing different

00:29:17.400 there,

00:29:17.660 I feel.

00:29:18.500 We hope you're

00:29:19.180 enjoying your

00:29:19.620 Air Canada

00:29:20.140 flight.

00:29:20.760 Rocky's

00:29:21.200 vacation.

00:29:22.000 Here we

00:29:22.480 come.

00:29:23.520 Whoa.

00:29:24.160 Is this

00:29:24.560 economy?

00:29:25.620 Free beer,

00:29:26.360 wine,

00:29:26.800 and snacks.

00:29:28.100 Sweet.

00:29:29.160 Fast,

00:29:29.520 free Wi-Fi

00:29:30.120 means I can

00:29:30.660 make dinner

00:29:31.020 reservations

00:29:31.560 before we

00:29:32.400 land.

00:29:33.180 And with

00:29:33.560 live TV,

00:29:34.500 I'm not

00:29:34.940 missing the

00:29:35.480 game.

00:29:36.240 It's kind

00:29:36.640 of like I'm

00:29:37.500 already on

00:29:38.140 vacation.

00:29:39.420 Nice.

00:29:40.540 On behalf of

00:29:41.400 Air Canada,

00:29:42.220 nice travels.

00:29:43.680 Wi-Fi available to

00:29:44.540 airplane members on

00:29:45.260 Equip Flight.

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00:29:46.440 Conditions apply.

00:29:47.020 The one

00:29:49.320 difference between

00:29:50.320 the Canadian

00:29:51.320 situation and

00:29:53.900 the U.S.

00:29:54.280 situation has

00:29:55.320 been the

00:29:57.060 direct

00:29:58.360 scapegoating of

00:29:59.580 the Christian

00:30:00.000 community for

00:30:01.260 this, right?

00:30:01.880 And that's the

00:30:02.460 marker.

00:30:03.200 So, like, over

00:30:03.940 the last summer,

00:30:04.900 you know, we all

00:30:05.500 made fun of

00:30:06.060 James Lindsay for

00:30:07.200 his, you know,

00:30:09.160 his knock on

00:30:10.560 Christian

00:30:12.640 nationalists.

00:30:13.360 And so, how

00:30:13.780 this was going

00:30:14.340 to bring the

00:30:14.780 state down.

00:30:15.260 It was going to

00:30:15.400 bring the summer

00:30:16.580 apocalypse that was

00:30:17.600 going to do in

00:30:18.160 America.

00:30:19.260 So, and I mean,

00:30:20.060 we all kind of

00:30:20.800 mocked him for it

00:30:21.760 because, you know,

00:30:22.640 it was kind of

00:30:23.480 ridiculous.

00:30:24.060 But yet, at the

00:30:24.480 same time, those

00:30:25.420 of us who live in

00:30:26.040 Canada were going

00:30:26.800 like, well, okay,

00:30:29.240 James Lindsay is

00:30:29.920 kind of a ridiculous

00:30:30.600 figure and this is

00:30:31.480 sort of like the

00:30:32.100 summer of the

00:30:32.480 apocalypse is probably

00:30:33.320 a little bit

00:30:33.700 thing.

00:30:33.940 But, you know,

00:30:34.620 let me talk to

00:30:35.240 you about these

00:30:35.700 church burnings that

00:30:36.400 we got going up

00:30:37.140 here.

00:30:38.320 And so, you

00:30:39.720 know, we often

00:30:40.840 talk about, so

00:30:41.780 how is the

00:30:42.540 West and

00:30:42.960 everything going

00:30:43.380 to end and

00:30:44.000 what's going to

00:30:44.560 happen and what's

00:30:45.180 it going to be

00:30:45.620 like, right?

00:30:46.540 And one of the

00:30:47.340 things you can

00:30:47.840 see that if the

00:30:49.420 regime becomes

00:30:50.360 stressed, you

00:30:51.460 know, it's

00:30:51.880 amazing how

00:30:52.780 Canada has

00:30:53.780 become a test

00:30:54.660 case for like,

00:30:55.900 you know, like

00:30:56.360 with the trucker

00:30:57.020 dispute, how do

00:30:58.180 you deal with

00:30:59.140 like large scale,

00:31:00.320 like really

00:31:00.980 serious,

00:31:01.980 threatening, you

00:31:04.460 know, revolts,

00:31:05.580 protests that you

00:31:06.740 can't manage or

00:31:07.580 handle?

00:31:08.040 Well, they showed

00:31:09.080 the model.

00:31:09.620 You start freezing

00:31:10.220 their bank accounts

00:31:11.180 and you take care

00:31:12.180 like, you know,

00:31:12.600 you may be at

00:31:13.680 the procrest, but

00:31:14.500 when your wife

00:31:15.040 goes to go

00:31:15.560 grocery shopping

00:31:16.580 and finds out

00:31:17.220 that the whole

00:31:17.660 business accounts

00:31:18.440 are shut down,

00:31:19.100 boy, that

00:31:19.400 protest, you

00:31:19.960 know, you

00:31:20.460 better just

00:31:20.800 come on home

00:31:21.440 here and

00:31:21.860 just, you

00:31:22.780 know, that

00:31:23.480 type of thing.

00:31:24.560 And in this

00:31:24.960 way, I get

00:31:26.580 the sense that

00:31:27.260 in some ways

00:31:28.200 the Canadian

00:31:28.900 government is

00:31:29.840 also showing the

00:31:31.000 way that as,

00:31:31.840 you know, when

00:31:32.060 push comes to

00:31:32.920 shove and you

00:31:35.280 get criticism.

00:31:36.040 Now, because of

00:31:37.220 the direct

00:31:37.740 involvement of the

00:31:38.540 churches in the

00:31:39.120 residential school,

00:31:40.180 they made for

00:31:41.240 an easy

00:31:41.660 scapegoat and

00:31:42.480 it made a very

00:31:43.640 convenient way

00:31:44.680 for them to

00:31:46.140 deflect attention

00:31:50.080 away from the

00:31:52.420 government,

00:31:53.420 predominantly

00:31:53.940 liberal in

00:31:54.640 Canada.

00:31:55.020 Over the years,

00:31:55.960 you know, Canada's

00:31:56.680 governments have

00:31:57.240 been like three

00:31:58.320 to one liberal

00:31:59.060 to conservative.

00:32:00.100 They call it the

00:32:00.540 natural governing

00:32:01.200 party here.

00:32:01.980 That's exactly

00:32:02.580 it, right?

00:32:03.040 And so, most of

00:32:07.920 these situations

00:32:09.540 have been presided

00:32:10.240 over by liberals

00:32:10.980 over the long

00:32:11.900 term.

00:32:12.960 And so, rather

00:32:14.260 than deal with

00:32:15.560 how their own

00:32:16.960 policies over the

00:32:18.060 years have failed

00:32:18.820 right from the

00:32:19.360 very beginning,

00:32:20.080 from the misguided

00:32:21.580 notion of

00:32:22.480 progressivism as it

00:32:23.760 worked itself out

00:32:24.660 and how we're

00:32:25.040 going to, you

00:32:25.660 know, bring these

00:32:26.620 kids along and

00:32:27.480 give them a better

00:32:28.060 life and all this

00:32:28.800 kind of nonsense,

00:32:30.100 anglicize them in

00:32:31.100 the whole bit,

00:32:31.660 right up to

00:32:33.760 sort of the

00:32:34.260 current conditions

00:32:35.160 and they can

00:32:36.500 just sort of

00:32:36.980 whitewash all of

00:32:37.840 that.

00:32:37.980 It just kind of

00:32:38.460 memory holds the

00:32:39.460 whole thing because

00:32:40.320 who's to blame?

00:32:41.920 Well, it's the

00:32:42.980 schools and the

00:32:44.220 churches that ran

00:32:45.060 them.

00:32:45.440 They're the bad

00:32:46.220 guys.

00:32:46.980 And so, now you

00:32:47.920 can create a

00:32:48.520 scapegoat, you

00:32:49.300 can dump problems

00:32:50.120 off onto them,

00:32:51.200 and nobody is

00:32:52.520 paying attention to

00:32:53.340 the real villain,

00:32:54.620 which is, you

00:32:56.060 know, the liberal

00:32:56.460 administrative state

00:32:57.280 and their terrible

00:32:58.980 policies.

00:32:59.880 And so, you can

00:33:00.460 see this as a

00:33:01.460 kind of template.

00:33:02.320 Now, they may

00:33:02.680 not be able to

00:33:03.060 get away with

00:33:03.540 it in every

00:33:03.960 situation, but

00:33:05.860 you can definitely

00:33:06.860 see a kind of

00:33:08.400 template at work

00:33:09.300 and you can sort

00:33:10.560 of see, too,

00:33:11.180 like even in the

00:33:11.740 U.S., from a

00:33:13.240 progressive messaging

00:33:14.140 system, in this

00:33:14.900 sense, there is a

00:33:15.540 certain correctness

00:33:16.820 to what James

00:33:17.360 Lindsay is saying,

00:33:18.180 is that progressivism

00:33:19.580 is built on the

00:33:21.120 idea of always

00:33:22.040 moving forward.

00:33:23.100 So, if, let's

00:33:24.140 say, the natural

00:33:25.360 state of things is

00:33:26.580 that you reach a

00:33:27.480 limit where your

00:33:28.140 inputs no longer

00:33:29.220 are generating the

00:33:29.960 outputs and you're

00:33:30.640 no longer moving

00:33:31.540 forward and you

00:33:32.980 need to blame

00:33:33.780 somebody, well, who

00:33:35.020 are those that

00:33:35.700 oppose progress?

00:33:37.920 Well, it is those

00:33:38.720 backwards Christians.

00:33:40.500 Now, have they not

00:33:41.400 done anything

00:33:41.920 specific?

00:33:42.620 Now, in this case,

00:33:43.380 you had a very

00:33:43.800 specific target.

00:33:44.860 They ran the

00:33:45.440 schools, you can

00:33:46.560 target them, and

00:33:47.700 it's very focused,

00:33:48.920 but you can also

00:33:50.160 see it happening in a

00:33:51.380 similar sense that if

00:33:52.440 the state gets more

00:33:53.740 and more pressed,

00:33:55.000 that you now have

00:33:55.840 this model of, you

00:33:57.720 can say, well, you

00:33:59.280 know, we haven't

00:34:00.640 been able to realize

00:34:01.540 progress because these

00:34:03.720 backwards Christians

00:34:04.580 have been holding us

00:34:05.480 back.

00:34:05.840 And if we could just

00:34:06.440 do something about

00:34:07.280 these backward

00:34:07.840 Christians, then we'll

00:34:10.320 be able to move

00:34:11.160 forward with progress.

00:34:12.400 And, like, that's

00:34:13.360 the template there.

00:34:14.120 And that's really, the

00:34:15.200 Canadian government

00:34:15.760 didn't quite go out to

00:34:16.860 say it so much, but it

00:34:18.360 was a sense of, like,

00:34:19.200 well, this may have

00:34:21.220 worked had it not

00:34:22.700 been for the

00:34:24.360 churches that ran

00:34:25.140 it, because they

00:34:26.080 were all basically

00:34:26.920 child molesters and

00:34:28.000 horrible people.

00:34:28.680 And then you have it

00:34:29.320 set up from, you

00:34:30.200 know, the church

00:34:31.000 scandals in the

00:34:31.640 Catholic Church sort

00:34:32.520 of, you know, helped

00:34:33.240 lay the groundwork

00:34:34.040 for it.

00:34:34.360 So, like, oh, it's

00:34:35.180 infinitely believable

00:34:36.140 now that, well, all

00:34:37.140 these Christians are

00:34:37.840 just basically pederasts

00:34:39.080 and child molesters, and

00:34:40.400 they're all horrible

00:34:41.720 monsters.

00:34:42.960 And, you know, you

00:34:43.740 get these people

00:34:44.240 standing up and

00:34:44.840 going, like, wait a

00:34:45.920 minute, you know, the

00:34:47.100 schools may not have

00:34:47.980 been sunshine and

00:34:48.660 flowers, but they

00:34:50.320 aren't what you're

00:34:50.900 telling us they are.

00:34:51.680 And then, meanwhile,

00:34:52.220 the churches are

00:34:52.760 burning because, you

00:34:53.340 know, white Antifa

00:34:53.960 thugs are setting fire

00:34:54.900 to them in the

00:34:55.340 middle of the night,

00:34:55.880 and the prime

00:34:57.580 minister is saying,

00:34:58.240 well, it's

00:34:58.560 understandable that

00:34:59.520 there's, you know,

00:35:00.240 that these things are

00:35:01.200 happening.

00:35:01.660 And they're like, oh,

00:35:02.160 really?

00:35:02.460 It's understandable

00:35:03.120 that they're

00:35:03.580 happening, right?

00:35:04.600 And so this is, you

00:35:05.720 can see a kind of

00:35:06.740 template being generated

00:35:08.140 for the future.

00:35:09.460 So let me ask the

00:35:10.440 obvious question here,

00:35:11.860 and to be fair,

00:35:13.120 understand this is

00:35:13.860 coming from a guy

00:35:14.540 who just watched his

00:35:15.500 entire country

00:35:16.660 knuckle under after

00:35:17.900 talking about their

00:35:19.340 ability to resist

00:35:20.400 government,

00:35:20.720 tyranny for years

00:35:21.800 here recently.

00:35:22.620 So I'm not, I'm not

00:35:23.460 throwing any shade on

00:35:24.400 you guys, but like

00:35:25.460 what's up with

00:35:26.860 Christians in Canada?

00:35:27.860 Did, did everyone

00:35:28.800 just stand by quietly

00:35:30.600 and watch their

00:35:31.380 churches burn?

00:35:33.020 Was there no

00:35:33.720 popular resistance to

00:35:34.900 the, what's the

00:35:36.740 state of the church

00:35:37.480 in Canada?

00:35:38.220 What's the state of,

00:35:39.260 of, is there any

00:35:40.240 resilience?

00:35:40.880 Is there any

00:35:41.380 resistance?

00:35:42.060 You have to understand

00:35:44.080 though, too, Orrin,

00:35:44.740 that, that of the

00:35:46.300 population who

00:35:47.140 identifies as

00:35:48.280 Christian, I think,

00:35:49.320 what is it, maybe

00:35:49.920 30% of the population

00:35:51.280 identifies as

00:35:52.300 Christian, and maybe

00:35:54.120 if you're lucky,

00:35:54.980 5 to 7% are active

00:35:58.060 churchgoers, whereas

00:35:58.980 in the U.S., it's

00:35:59.940 like, what, 80% of

00:36:01.180 the people identify

00:36:02.220 themselves as

00:36:02.960 Christian, and

00:36:04.040 something like 35 to

00:36:05.420 40% go to church

00:36:06.920 twice a month at

00:36:07.660 least, right?

00:36:08.720 Kind of thing.

00:36:09.300 And so, in

00:36:11.220 Canada, Christians

00:36:12.260 represent a

00:36:13.240 significant minority,

00:36:14.680 and so even if we

00:36:16.220 were to get up in

00:36:16.940 arms, you know,

00:36:19.240 the majority of the

00:36:20.900 population is really,

00:36:22.720 they're not on your

00:36:23.780 side, so to speak.

00:36:25.420 And the minority

00:36:25.980 status, I'm guessing

00:36:27.620 not granting you any

00:36:28.700 kind of privilege

00:36:29.400 there.

00:36:30.020 No, God, no.

00:36:30.700 Not really, no.

00:36:32.020 Because being

00:36:32.580 religious is coded

00:36:33.500 as being American,

00:36:34.620 being like a Trump

00:36:35.920 supporter or whatever,

00:36:36.940 so to like a lot of

00:36:38.080 the urban, like,

00:36:39.580 libs that live in

00:36:40.320 Canada, like, that's

00:36:41.200 basically anathema.

00:36:43.200 Even, like, the

00:36:44.020 United Church, which

00:36:44.880 is basically the

00:36:46.280 United Social Club

00:36:47.540 of Canada, where

00:36:48.280 they have, like, you

00:36:50.540 know, impossible

00:36:51.200 women bikers and

00:36:53.440 people, like, they

00:36:54.180 have people like, who

00:36:55.360 was that one guy that

00:36:56.260 wrote that book about

00:36:57.300 it?

00:36:58.040 Tom Harpu.

00:36:59.080 Oh, yeah.

00:36:59.620 He's like, I'm a

00:37:00.820 bishop, but I don't

00:37:02.220 believe in God.

00:37:03.080 I don't believe in

00:37:03.700 Christ, but I'm a

00:37:04.980 bishop still.

00:37:06.120 It's like that

00:37:06.660 religiosity in

00:37:08.520 Canada, in some

00:37:09.420 ways, has followed

00:37:09.880 the trends of

00:37:10.420 European countries

00:37:11.580 as opposed to

00:37:12.000 America.

00:37:12.620 So you could say

00:37:13.560 in some ways that

00:37:15.880 the liberals will

00:37:16.900 eventually take your

00:37:17.760 children and put

00:37:18.620 them into schools to

00:37:19.640 re-educate them and

00:37:20.920 drive, like, the

00:37:22.260 liberal tradition of

00:37:23.780 eliminating a

00:37:25.160 minority.

00:37:26.000 Yes, I was, yeah,

00:37:27.020 that's the joke.

00:37:27.700 Yeah, they're called

00:37:27.960 public school.

00:37:29.240 But they do,

00:37:30.300 though.

00:37:30.840 And by the way,

00:37:31.580 by the way, as a

00:37:32.240 product of the

00:37:32.760 Catholic school system,

00:37:34.040 the separate, because of

00:37:35.020 the issue with

00:37:35.940 Quebec, which, I

00:37:37.420 mean, wholesale

00:37:38.380 dumped the

00:37:39.060 Catholicism in the

00:37:39.880 60s because of the

00:37:40.880 silent revolution.

00:37:42.040 That's another issue

00:37:42.880 for another time.

00:37:44.580 As a product of the

00:37:45.640 Catholic school system

00:37:46.680 in Canada, I think

00:37:48.380 they should just get

00:37:49.060 rid of it.

00:37:49.480 It's really not

00:37:50.340 really Catholic

00:37:51.560 besides going to a

00:37:52.340 few services a few

00:37:53.540 times a year and

00:37:54.420 having an extra

00:37:55.240 religious class in

00:37:56.100 uniforms, and that's

00:37:57.200 pretty much it.

00:37:58.320 So, you know, they

00:37:59.360 have to raise the

00:38:00.680 imperial flag of the

00:38:01.800 empire every June.

00:38:03.520 And the separate

00:38:04.940 Catholic school system

00:38:05.840 has to still raise

00:38:06.580 the flag, right, of

00:38:07.540 the empire.

00:38:08.780 So, yeah.

00:38:09.780 The jig is up when

00:38:10.320 you've got, like, what

00:38:11.180 are the population, 10

00:38:12.220 to 15% sometimes of

00:38:13.720 schools are Muslims, you

00:38:15.780 know, and you're

00:38:16.080 realizing, like, how

00:38:16.820 Catholic are your

00:38:17.500 Catholic schools?

00:38:18.180 Well, Muslim parents,

00:38:19.840 they send them to

00:38:20.440 Catholic schools because

00:38:21.300 of the uniforms and

00:38:22.260 because of the

00:38:22.800 extra religious classes,

00:38:23.880 which is understandable.

00:38:25.600 But, and also

00:38:27.120 another point of

00:38:27.980 clarification, people

00:38:29.180 were pointing on the

00:38:29.760 chat, is that there

00:38:30.860 are quite a few

00:38:31.800 reservations in Canada

00:38:33.180 that are very quite

00:38:34.340 functional and they've

00:38:35.240 had, they managed to

00:38:36.180 create industries both

00:38:37.420 through resource

00:38:39.080 extraction, timber, but

00:38:40.500 also tourist industries

00:38:41.880 and other various

00:38:43.340 goods that, well, I

00:38:45.540 know the one in

00:38:46.140 Caledonia here in

00:38:47.060 Ontario, they have

00:38:48.680 quite a good cigarette

00:38:50.160 business, but because

00:38:51.520 of the punishing

00:38:52.260 taxes on cigarettes and

00:38:55.140 all tobacco products

00:38:56.240 here in Canada.

00:38:57.120 But there are quite a

00:38:58.160 few reservations that

00:38:58.880 have managed to

00:38:59.560 become modernized and

00:39:00.960 have industries from,

00:39:02.360 you know, various

00:39:03.820 industries, but

00:39:04.960 unfortunately it's the

00:39:06.560 rural reservations,

00:39:08.380 especially out in

00:39:09.080 places like Winnipeg

00:39:10.140 that have essentially

00:39:12.340 third world conditions.

00:39:13.800 So yeah, go ahead.

00:39:14.460 Like North Ontario.

00:39:16.320 Oh, and Northern

00:39:16.800 Ontario as well.

00:39:17.740 Yeah, like places like

00:39:18.800 Thompson, Manitoba and

00:39:19.880 so forth, right?

00:39:20.520 Like you get up north

00:39:21.500 there where, you know,

00:39:23.660 your nearest major

00:39:24.800 community is six to

00:39:26.440 eight hours away.

00:39:27.500 Um, some of these

00:39:29.440 places are like, they

00:39:31.720 literally have police

00:39:32.960 organized, um, like

00:39:35.420 they're, they're dry

00:39:36.260 towns and they enforce

00:39:37.360 them to be dry because

00:39:38.240 if you get any alcohol

00:39:39.280 in the town, if they

00:39:40.620 hear of it, like they

00:39:41.360 will break into your,

00:39:42.420 into your houses and so

00:39:43.580 forth.

00:39:43.780 So they're, they're

00:39:44.880 quite, quite problematic.

00:39:46.720 Um, but you're right,

00:39:47.820 Gio, there, there are

00:39:48.540 some places that are, are

00:39:49.900 high functioning and, um,

00:39:52.100 and produce, you

00:39:53.940 know, uh, very high

00:39:55.420 level, um, Canadians

00:39:57.660 that, you know, integrate

00:39:58.720 well into the power

00:39:59.600 structures and so forth.

00:40:00.660 But there are some also

00:40:01.760 that are profoundly

00:40:03.020 dysfunctional as well

00:40:04.040 too.

00:40:04.940 Well, it's very funny how

00:40:05.900 there's the protests

00:40:07.100 against the oil industry.

00:40:09.040 Uh, there's a lot of

00:40:10.360 just people that are

00:40:11.440 like, well, if you get

00:40:12.160 rid of, uh, the oil

00:40:13.540 industry for the

00:40:14.160 environment and you have

00:40:15.340 people like David

00:40:16.020 Suzuki and Margaret

00:40:17.480 Atwood protesting and

00:40:19.160 American celebrities to

00:40:20.600 like ZB listeners,

00:40:22.100 celebrities like that

00:40:23.080 Rufo guy.

00:40:24.560 Well, no, sorry, not

00:40:25.480 Rufo Ruffalo, you know

00:40:26.780 that Mark Ruffalo,

00:40:28.040 Mark Ruffalo.

00:40:29.040 Yeah.

00:40:29.720 People there are

00:40:30.480 indigenous people are

00:40:31.180 like, if you get rid of

00:40:31.920 these oil rigs, you get

00:40:32.980 rid of our jobs.

00:40:33.900 So it's, uh, it's

00:40:35.460 ridiculous.

00:40:36.060 Of course, America has

00:40:37.380 this activist pipeline

00:40:38.660 and so forth.

00:40:40.080 We, we, we, we do have

00:40:41.060 to conquer the world with

00:40:41.980 our liberal activists.

00:40:42.780 It's the only thing it's

00:40:43.700 our, it's our, our, uh,

00:40:45.020 saddest, but most

00:40:45.800 powerful export.

00:40:47.020 So, uh, so let me ask

00:40:49.140 you guys now we kind of

00:40:51.180 know, right there, there's

00:40:52.540 been a lot of

00:40:53.040 excavation, there's been

00:40:54.480 more searching and

00:40:56.400 after years, there's

00:40:57.840 been no, uh, as I

00:40:59.520 understand, they've

00:41:00.100 produced like no bodies.

00:41:01.200 There's been no mass

00:41:02.160 graves.

00:41:02.540 There's been a

00:41:02.980 realization that pretty

00:41:04.720 much all of this was

00:41:05.720 false, that the, the,

00:41:06.980 the, the story was

00:41:08.020 entirely manufactured and

00:41:09.880 promoted by activists

00:41:11.180 in the media and even

00:41:12.300 the government, uh, who

00:41:13.920 encouraged all this, all

00:41:15.160 these travesties and, but

00:41:16.720 there, but there's no,

00:41:17.580 they're there.

00:41:18.220 And in the wake of all

00:41:20.140 of this censorship, people

00:41:21.260 fired churches, destroyed

00:41:23.220 communities, torn apart,

00:41:24.700 like all of this stuff.

00:41:27.300 Has there been any

00:41:28.400 acknowledgement by the

00:41:29.420 government?

00:41:29.800 Has there been any

00:41:30.660 acknowledgement of the

00:41:31.200 people?

00:41:31.520 Are you even allowed to

00:41:32.340 talk about the fact that

00:41:33.260 this is basically fake and

00:41:34.720 that this was a huge

00:41:35.860 scandal that was

00:41:36.500 perpetrated on people in

00:41:37.620 Canadian media at this

00:41:38.640 point?

00:41:39.940 Well, what's interesting

00:41:40.940 is that more American

00:41:42.380 media has been open

00:41:44.020 about it, but the only

00:41:45.640 like really exceptions are

00:41:46.920 sort of like the

00:41:48.220 stalwart conservative

00:41:49.200 papers, like the

00:41:50.000 national post that have

00:41:51.660 been in, you know,

00:41:52.480 various people like a

00:41:53.740 rebel media, although

00:41:55.260 let's face real media,

00:41:56.260 they're an activist, you

00:41:57.260 know, they're like

00:41:57.820 normie con activists.

00:41:59.800 They're not really like a

00:42:00.820 credible news source,

00:42:01.860 blah, blah, blah.

00:42:02.480 They're like a project

00:42:03.500 Veritas type.

00:42:04.720 Yeah.

00:42:05.260 Yeah.

00:42:05.560 Ezra Levant.

00:42:06.420 I mean, I don't want to

00:42:07.800 speak ill of anybody, but

00:42:09.380 I have my own issues with

00:42:11.200 Ezra Levant, but you

00:42:12.540 know, yeah, there's been

00:42:13.460 people like that haven't

00:42:14.320 talked about it, but I, in

00:42:16.460 terms of the

00:42:17.020 acceptability of it, I

00:42:18.160 mean, not to say that

00:42:19.340 this would ever pass, I

00:42:20.380 mean, you never know, but

00:42:21.180 there has been, you

00:42:22.720 know, in, in Canada, I

00:42:24.560 guess in America, you

00:42:25.640 also have, um, this

00:42:27.540 culture with like, well,

00:42:29.160 you don't call it

00:42:29.820 backbenchers here in

00:42:30.780 Canada, they call minor

00:42:32.100 MPs, uh, backbenchers.

00:42:34.340 There are certain like

00:42:35.440 activist people, like

00:42:36.320 there's this one lady in

00:42:37.420 the NDP, for those who

00:42:38.980 don't know the NDP, the

00:42:40.200 national, the new

00:42:41.200 Democrat party, they're

00:42:42.560 like, um, well, they're

00:42:44.500 in a bit of an identity

00:42:45.260 crisis now because, you

00:42:46.580 know, because Trudeau is

00:42:48.000 outliving them, they're

00:42:49.600 sort of like the, there

00:42:50.700 used to be the left

00:42:51.560 labor party, but now

00:42:52.760 they're sort of like the

00:42:54.040 more woker than Trudeau

00:42:55.440 party.

00:42:56.000 One of them proposed a

00:42:57.620 bill against quote

00:42:59.000 unquote residential

00:43:00.220 school denialism in the

00:43:02.600 name of quote unquote

00:43:04.060 curbing disinformation,

00:43:05.420 right?

00:43:06.380 Now, the, you know, the

00:43:08.640 problem with that is that

00:43:09.760 nobody who has been

00:43:12.140 critical of this is

00:43:13.640 denying the reality of

00:43:15.680 the residential school

00:43:16.700 program, but also the

00:43:17.700 abuses in the residential

00:43:18.900 school program that did

00:43:20.420 exist.

00:43:21.000 It's just the context of a

00:43:22.800 lot of these quote unquote

00:43:23.740 mass graves were, for

00:43:25.360 example, graves of

00:43:27.040 children that did have a

00:43:28.920 lot of them did have

00:43:29.900 markers, but because they

00:43:31.860 were poor, the church

00:43:33.280 didn't have a lot of

00:43:33.820 resources, they were

00:43:34.640 wooden markers and they

00:43:36.640 weren't maintained by the

00:43:37.680 communities that were

00:43:38.400 there.

00:43:39.740 You have cases where

00:43:41.060 bodies were wrapped in

00:43:42.780 coffins were separated.

00:43:44.660 So even the language

00:43:46.100 itself of quote unquote

00:43:47.200 mass grave as putting a

00:43:50.520 large volume of children

00:43:51.920 in a single location, it's

00:43:54.300 you know, like I've said,

00:43:55.280 people have the image of

00:43:56.200 bodies being bulldozed

00:43:58.160 into pits and so forth.

00:43:59.900 These were, they were

00:44:01.420 grave markers that were

00:44:03.160 differentiated, that were

00:44:04.820 given burial rates and

00:44:06.060 that in a lot of cases did

00:44:07.620 have paperwork attached

00:44:09.220 to them.

00:44:10.060 It's just that they fell

00:44:11.120 into disrepute.

00:44:12.920 A lot of the reservations

00:44:14.160 didn't have funding

00:44:15.200 because, and again, this

00:44:17.120 is where I am critical of

00:44:18.940 the whole program of the

00:44:20.020 residential school system

00:44:21.040 of taking children and

00:44:22.500 placing them in different

00:44:23.860 locations throughout the

00:44:24.860 country than where they

00:44:26.100 were born in the

00:44:27.380 reservations.

00:44:28.160 A lot of the children

00:44:30.300 that belong to certain

00:44:31.680 reservations, these

00:44:33.400 reservations did not have

00:44:34.800 the funding to go to

00:44:36.460 these different places in

00:44:37.560 Canada and have upkeep

00:44:39.000 when it comes to these

00:44:39.800 graves, right?

00:44:40.840 And we could also say the

00:44:41.760 child mortality rates

00:44:42.820 disproportionately affected

00:44:44.660 indigenous children as

00:44:46.060 well.

00:44:47.020 So, but the problem is the

00:44:48.500 rhetoric of calling it

00:44:49.500 denialism is a very

00:44:52.020 classic leftist tactic.

00:44:53.500 It's loaded with very

00:44:54.760 specific language and

00:44:56.060 imagery and it, and in

00:44:57.640 an international, it has

00:44:58.620 nothing to do.

00:44:59.300 It's not connected to the

00:45:01.240 event itself or to the

00:45:02.640 culture itself or to the

00:45:04.000 place in which it's being

00:45:04.840 used.

00:45:05.280 It's literally just being

00:45:06.520 borrowed from a global

00:45:07.920 narrative and being applied

00:45:09.500 there so that it invokes

00:45:10.960 certain types of censorship,

00:45:13.380 certain kind of faux pas.

00:45:15.060 Yeah.

00:45:15.520 Basically you're, you're

00:45:16.600 repeating World War II all

00:45:18.000 over again, right?

00:45:18.920 You know, and, but the

00:45:20.380 thing also too, like you're

00:45:21.880 noting too, with the lack

00:45:22.740 of funds to go and visit

00:45:24.800 and maintain these grave

00:45:26.540 sites is part of the

00:45:28.460 problem was, is that the

00:45:29.760 government denied the

00:45:31.580 funds in the first place

00:45:32.660 for proper burials

00:45:33.560 oftentimes.

00:45:34.420 Oh, I didn't know this.

00:45:35.640 I didn't know this.

00:45:36.240 So there was, you know,

00:45:39.060 that was one of the

00:45:39.840 problems.

00:45:40.360 They not only didn't get

00:45:41.860 proper medical care, but

00:45:43.020 when, you know, when the

00:45:44.260 times for burials came, the

00:45:45.920 money was not there to, you

00:45:47.940 know, say, send the

00:45:48.820 bodies back to families

00:45:50.060 and all these types of

00:45:51.080 things.

00:45:51.520 So, so some of these

00:45:52.660 priests just, they would

00:45:53.600 say like, listen, you

00:45:54.520 know, we wept for these

00:45:55.860 kids.

00:45:56.340 We did the best we could,

00:45:58.040 you know, and like, these

00:46:00.000 are like the good, the

00:46:01.040 positive stories, right?

00:46:02.380 We did the best we could,

00:46:04.060 but, you know, we could

00:46:05.740 only do so much.

00:46:07.000 Right.

00:46:07.340 And so the, again, the,

00:46:09.120 the government wants to,

00:46:10.920 to really avoid having to

00:46:13.240 face over and over again

00:46:15.220 that, you know, they were

00:46:16.940 the ones who dropped

00:46:17.940 the ball that they denied

00:46:19.220 the proper funding, they

00:46:20.160 denied proper oversight.

00:46:21.740 They just basically fobbed

00:46:23.180 this off on the churches.

00:46:24.620 And then, you know, when

00:46:26.620 the, when the native

00:46:27.600 communities tried to, to,

00:46:29.920 to deal with it, just

00:46:32.120 dragged their feet in that

00:46:33.640 end as well, too, in the

00:46:34.540 after.

00:46:34.840 And so this thing has come

00:46:36.060 up.

00:46:36.280 So it's, it's again, you

00:46:37.800 know, to borrow Trudeau's

00:46:38.980 language, it's not

00:46:39.900 surprising that many of

00:46:42.100 these native communities are

00:46:43.280 just really, really upset

00:46:44.640 about this whole thing and

00:46:45.780 are willing to go kind of

00:46:47.020 scorched earth.

00:46:47.800 And even to the point of

00:46:49.360 just making stuff up, you

00:46:52.480 know, or being willing to

00:46:53.540 believe that there's

00:46:54.480 quote unquote mass graves

00:46:56.020 with all that that implies

00:46:57.440 because for them as a

00:46:59.840 community, that's their felt

00:47:02.180 reality over the years.

00:47:03.440 It's just kind of built and

00:47:04.340 built and built.

00:47:05.040 Right.

00:47:05.420 And then, so it just becomes

00:47:06.440 like a tinderbox.

00:47:07.840 It's just waiting to be set

00:47:08.880 on fire.

00:47:09.860 And also, I have a question

00:47:11.500 though, maybe it's more

00:47:13.040 towards Orin being an

00:47:14.160 American.

00:47:15.360 Is that, like, well,

00:47:17.120 Krook, just assuming you, we

00:47:18.160 both know that indigenous

00:47:20.060 people are sort of more

00:47:21.320 woven into the fabric of

00:47:23.040 Canadian history and society

00:47:25.820 and so forth.

00:47:26.820 But it seems like in America,

00:47:28.380 like, then the indigenous

00:47:30.460 issue doesn't really come up

00:47:31.640 as much as opposed to, say,

00:47:32.940 African-Americans or other

00:47:34.800 historic groups.

00:47:35.680 I mean, it seems that, I

00:47:37.500 mean, that there's not a

00:47:38.320 same, like, and you could

00:47:39.500 argue that indigenous

00:47:41.440 people in America were

00:47:42.320 treated way, way worse.

00:47:44.540 And so, I wonder, yeah.

00:47:46.880 Well, I think in America, it

00:47:48.320 just gets lumped into the,

00:47:50.120 you know, the oppressed

00:47:51.900 class.

00:47:53.020 Yeah.

00:47:53.380 In Canada, you have, I

00:47:55.440 think Canada has a more

00:47:57.600 difficult time generating

00:47:58.940 the emancipation narrative,

00:48:01.860 you know, the oppression

00:48:03.100 emancipation narrative.

00:48:04.640 And so, you know, the

00:48:07.280 indigenous population,

00:48:08.880 becomes that for them in

00:48:10.380 the same way it is in

00:48:11.100 Australia where that's so

00:48:14.340 important to them as where

00:48:16.200 in America, the, you know,

00:48:18.840 African-Americans and the

00:48:20.620 idea of, you know, slavery

00:48:22.740 and everything is much more

00:48:24.160 tied to that.

00:48:25.060 So the narrative remains the

00:48:26.420 same.

00:48:26.760 The role that the narrative

00:48:28.660 plays in all of these

00:48:30.040 societies is similar, but the

00:48:32.060 object of focus zooms in and

00:48:33.740 out depending on who is

00:48:35.480 relevant, who is useful to

00:48:37.880 kind of that deconstructive

00:48:39.140 narrative.

00:48:39.800 So I think that's why they

00:48:41.000 take a more central role in

00:48:42.280 Canada is because it's more

00:48:43.600 useful.

00:48:43.940 We trust me, I taught

00:48:45.600 American history for quite a

00:48:47.920 few years and we spent

00:48:49.320 plenty of time talking about

00:48:51.740 the, about all the, all the

00:48:53.180 terrible, you know,

00:48:54.380 injustices done.

00:48:55.520 So it's not that it doesn't

00:48:57.160 exist in America.

00:48:57.960 It's just that it gets

00:48:59.180 folded, I think, as a

00:49:00.700 secondary narrative, even

00:49:02.600 though it's arguably quite

00:49:03.940 more horrific, like you said,

00:49:05.320 than, than, than perhaps

00:49:07.020 other aspects.

00:49:08.340 It, it, it gets folded in

00:49:09.800 and give it a second.

00:49:10.720 It was complicated on the

00:49:12.040 frontier as well with, you

00:49:14.420 know, the, the mythic

00:49:16.020 American frontier has been

00:49:17.500 such an ingrained thing

00:49:19.300 within the identity of

00:49:20.200 America itself.

00:49:21.140 I mean, yeah, but it's

00:49:22.500 sorry, go ahead.

00:49:23.040 CryptoScore.

00:49:23.580 I was just going to ask

00:49:24.540 Oron, do you, like, I

00:49:25.820 don't know, like, I know

00:49:26.700 there's like some communities

00:49:29.320 like in, in, in New

00:49:33.400 England and so forth,

00:49:35.820 Vermont and those places

00:49:36.840 where they have some

00:49:38.240 tribes, but generally my

00:49:40.180 sense of it is that most

00:49:41.440 of them are in the Plains

00:49:42.480 States and out West, or,

00:49:43.780 or maybe I'm mistaken

00:49:44.840 where, like, if you go

00:49:46.280 into, you know, do you

00:49:47.800 have reservations in say

00:49:49.700 Florida, Alabama, Georgia,

00:49:52.220 Texas?

00:49:53.040 Well, New York has a lot

00:49:54.000 of them.

00:49:54.720 Yeah, we, we have

00:49:55.340 reservations.

00:49:56.540 We have reservations.

00:49:57.220 That's the, so it's the

00:49:57.820 same sort of situation

00:49:58.720 then.

00:49:59.400 Now, do you run into

00:50:00.300 places like where they

00:50:01.080 have conflicts with the

00:50:02.120 reservations or like, it's

00:50:04.160 not a story that you

00:50:04.880 really hear, like, that's

00:50:05.960 like, you don't really

00:50:06.720 hear about it a lot.

00:50:07.840 So in America, a lot of

00:50:08.980 these reservations have

00:50:10.100 been basically turned

00:50:11.560 into kind of money,

00:50:13.460 money factories by people

00:50:14.940 who want to operate

00:50:16.320 businesses that otherwise

00:50:17.500 wouldn't be legal or be

00:50:19.020 heavily taxed inside the

00:50:20.240 United States.

00:50:20.780 So for instance, in

00:50:21.980 Florida, the Seminole

00:50:22.940 tribe owns all gambling.

00:50:25.000 They own all casinos

00:50:26.000 because they can operate

00:50:27.160 them on their land.

00:50:27.920 In fact, the Seminole

00:50:28.580 tribe ran a funny

00:50:30.580 that they ran a basically

00:50:32.400 a fake campaign to get

00:50:33.620 rid of greyhound racing

00:50:34.700 in Florida because

00:50:35.740 because parimutial

00:50:37.760 facilities were the only

00:50:38.760 place besides Seminole

00:50:40.300 reservation land that

00:50:41.700 you could gamble in

00:50:43.020 Florida.

00:50:43.440 And so they pretended to

00:50:44.600 care about animal rights

00:50:45.960 and they like ginned up

00:50:46.760 all these animal rights

00:50:47.460 activists to eliminate

00:50:49.060 greyhound racing just so

00:50:50.360 they could eliminate

00:50:51.420 their competition for

00:50:53.180 gambling profits in the

00:50:56.440 United States.

00:50:57.100 I believe in Florida, the

00:50:58.400 Italian mafia had to cut

00:50:59.800 deals with a lot of

00:51:00.800 indigenous reservations

00:51:01.780 back in the day.

00:51:02.540 So they could run it like

00:51:04.000 Nevada.

00:51:04.540 Yeah.

00:51:04.760 But yeah, so so there is a

00:51:06.560 weird relationship in the

00:51:08.020 United States where a lot of

00:51:09.580 these are have have been

00:51:11.620 basically, you know, the

00:51:13.100 reservation still exists,

00:51:14.320 but in many ways they

00:51:15.360 become just just land that

00:51:17.580 is hollowed out and used

00:51:18.900 entirely by corporate

00:51:20.160 ventures that otherwise

00:51:21.620 wouldn't be able to operate

00:51:22.820 inside certain parts.

00:51:23.840 good for them, though.

00:51:25.180 I mean, I mean, if you're

00:51:26.440 going to secure the bag,

00:51:27.440 right, like, yeah, then

00:51:28.480 then do it that way, though.

00:51:29.900 In many ways, it ends up

00:51:31.020 being like one guy who's

00:51:32.220 one 64th Seminole running

00:51:34.020 the whole thing.

00:51:34.900 So how much is the actual

00:51:36.380 tribe?

00:51:37.140 You know, the thing is that

00:51:38.960 most people in America are

00:51:40.660 like some mixture of German,

00:51:42.120 Irish and Anglo-Saxon

00:51:45.320 and and and Native

00:51:47.160 American.

00:51:47.800 Like, that's just that's a

00:51:49.160 standard mix.

00:51:49.940 That's my mix.

00:51:50.560 That's the, you know, to

00:51:51.300 different degrees.

00:51:52.080 That's most people's mixes

00:51:53.340 in the United States.

00:51:55.080 And so there's I don't

00:51:56.080 know what the level of

00:51:57.160 integrated, you know, kind

00:51:58.760 of kind of the genetic

00:52:00.480 scenario is in Canada.

00:52:02.100 But America, that's that's

00:52:03.180 a pretty most people can

00:52:04.320 probably trace one side

00:52:06.260 or the other of their

00:52:06.800 family to some Native

00:52:08.100 American tribe somewhere.

00:52:09.720 In Canada, there is also

00:52:10.560 issue with status cards

00:52:12.460 and the Métis and well,

00:52:14.320 Croptos, you you probably

00:52:15.520 know a lot more about that.

00:52:16.980 So well, in the the

00:52:18.720 especially in Manitoba,

00:52:19.920 there was a fair degree

00:52:22.000 of integration between

00:52:23.380 the Native and the

00:52:24.720 European population such

00:52:26.060 that you had sort of

00:52:27.760 a very mixed race type of

00:52:31.340 people, the Métis, and

00:52:32.960 they had their own special

00:52:34.760 reserve out there.

00:52:37.860 But now I'm just drawing his

00:52:39.920 I'm drawing a complete blank

00:52:41.240 on his name.

00:52:42.460 But there was actually a

00:52:43.600 series of revolts.

00:52:44.720 And, you know what, I'm

00:52:47.480 just going to Google it

00:52:48.320 right now.

00:52:49.860 Otherwise, it's going to

00:52:50.620 drive me nuts.

00:52:52.260 The Métis revolts.

00:52:56.120 Oh, yeah, I remember that.

00:52:57.440 Yeah.

00:52:57.880 Louis Riel.

00:52:58.720 Louis Riel.

00:52:59.620 There we go.

00:52:59.840 Louis Riel, yes.

00:53:00.420 Yes.

00:53:00.880 So Louis Riel.

00:53:02.000 And so they had the they

00:53:05.140 were such as the First

00:53:06.000 Nations Cree, Assiniboine

00:53:07.480 in Saskatchewan and

00:53:09.480 Manitoba.

00:53:11.160 And they actually rebelled

00:53:13.640 against the British

00:53:14.980 government at the time,

00:53:15.960 like the colonial

00:53:16.820 government at the time.

00:53:18.600 And so, you know, it has

00:53:20.280 not been peaceful at

00:53:21.660 always.

00:53:22.260 And there has been

00:53:23.040 flare ups.

00:53:25.800 And, yeah, so some

00:53:26.940 tribes integrate better

00:53:28.220 or some don't.

00:53:30.400 But I think in part because

00:53:31.900 of how Canada is laid out

00:53:33.620 in that 200 kilometer

00:53:34.840 strip, there's a, you

00:53:36.440 know, there's a lot of

00:53:37.680 rubbing up against each

00:53:39.120 other on a fairly

00:53:40.660 regular basis, you

00:53:42.080 know, so you have

00:53:43.120 land that that you

00:53:45.980 get like the Caledonia

00:53:46.940 one where there was

00:53:48.980 land that was given

00:53:50.680 over to developers.

00:53:51.700 They had housing

00:53:52.220 developments on them

00:53:53.120 and the native

00:53:54.660 population says, well,

00:53:55.960 that belongs to us.

00:53:57.480 That's native.

00:53:57.920 And so they more or

00:53:59.280 less claim that as

00:54:00.860 native population.

00:54:01.760 And you have these

00:54:02.560 people who are now

00:54:03.320 inside a conquered

00:54:04.420 territory in

00:54:06.120 Caledonia.

00:54:07.040 And they're like,

00:54:07.680 these people are going

00:54:08.320 like, uh, we bought

00:54:09.620 these houses legally,

00:54:10.600 you know, these belong

00:54:11.540 to us.

00:54:12.040 And the natives are

00:54:12.560 like, no, these, you

00:54:13.740 know, so these are the

00:54:14.760 types of situations

00:54:15.580 that you get, um, that

00:54:17.400 you've had, had

00:54:17.960 evolving in Canada to

00:54:19.540 some extent.

00:54:20.500 Well, with Oka, I

00:54:22.020 mean, let's face it,

00:54:23.080 listen, I'm not a big

00:54:24.440 fan of golf, but so

00:54:26.620 maybe I'm biased, but

00:54:27.780 just gave, they should

00:54:28.880 just gave them the

00:54:29.500 golf course.

00:54:30.080 Okay.

00:54:30.720 Like it was over a

00:54:31.900 golf course and the

00:54:33.360 military, that's, you

00:54:34.420 have the famous photo

00:54:35.440 of the indigenous person

00:54:37.020 with an AK-47, how

00:54:38.380 they got an AK-47 in

00:54:39.780 Canada.

00:54:40.040 I don't know, but

00:54:41.320 you know, probably

00:54:42.400 through, it's through

00:54:43.360 America, let's face it

00:54:44.420 through America.

00:54:45.360 Um, you know, the

00:54:46.540 famous photo where the

00:54:47.900 Canadian military

00:54:48.820 officer, uh, staring

00:54:51.040 down the indigenous

00:54:52.020 activist with the AK-47,

00:54:53.540 uh, you know, that

00:54:55.420 dispute, they should

00:54:56.820 have just given them

00:54:57.640 that land.

00:54:58.220 It was to develop a

00:54:59.260 golf course.

00:55:00.100 So a lot of these

00:55:01.300 things, they could be

00:55:02.160 avoided.

00:55:02.600 And there's been

00:55:03.700 like in Canada, there's

00:55:05.480 a whole huge, like

00:55:08.000 cottage industry with

00:55:09.420 these, like, um, these

00:55:11.020 law schools, because a

00:55:12.780 lot of the, uh, indigenous

00:55:14.000 activists go to become

00:55:15.320 lawyers because of

00:55:16.460 course their education

00:55:17.260 is free in Canada.

00:55:18.400 So it's basically to

00:55:19.860 settle these land

00:55:20.920 disputes.

00:55:21.580 And a lot of these

00:55:22.540 land disputes, some of

00:55:23.400 them have gone back for

00:55:24.720 multiple, multiple

00:55:26.280 decades and they still

00:55:27.800 haven't been resolved.

00:55:28.940 There's a huge, especially

00:55:30.360 up North, there's a

00:55:31.180 huge issue with, uh,

00:55:33.220 these land dispute

00:55:34.020 claims, which I think

00:55:35.120 in America, I know

00:55:36.540 that there was a lot

00:55:37.220 of issues as well.

00:55:38.000 I mean, of course,

00:55:38.560 wounded me.

00:55:39.580 There were seventies.

00:55:40.720 Yeah.

00:55:41.480 Yeah.

00:55:42.120 Yeah.

00:55:42.900 Um, of course, American

00:55:44.560 indigenous groups tend

00:55:45.700 to be more well-armed,

00:55:47.200 but you know, I mean,

00:55:48.480 yeah.

00:55:49.140 So, so, uh, we're,

00:55:50.620 we're running low on

00:55:51.940 time, but I want to

00:55:52.700 ask you guys one more

00:55:53.620 question before we kind

00:55:54.660 of pivot over to a few

00:55:56.240 super chats we have

00:55:57.260 there.

00:55:58.040 So I guess my question

00:55:59.700 would be given,

00:56:00.700 that the way the

00:56:02.080 government was a, and

00:56:03.080 the media were able to

00:56:04.160 kind of use this, uh,

00:56:06.380 and the way they were

00:56:07.040 able to perpetuate this

00:56:08.420 the way they were able

00:56:09.220 to be swept up like

00:56:10.540 this and the way it

00:56:12.280 feels like they're just

00:56:12.900 going to entirely get

00:56:13.640 away with it, right?

00:56:14.300 Like, even though this

00:56:14.960 is proven pretty much

00:56:15.840 entirely false, there's,

00:56:17.220 there's going to be

00:56:17.640 no, no, like, what

00:56:19.560 does that mean for

00:56:20.840 Canada going forward?

00:56:22.480 Like, is there a, is

00:56:24.120 there a hope that,

00:56:25.240 you know, you saw the

00:56:25.900 trucker protest, you saw

00:56:27.220 some pushback in

00:56:28.560 Canada through some of

00:56:29.740 the extremes, but

00:56:30.560 like, is there a hope

00:56:32.600 that there will be a

00:56:33.440 resurgent, uh, kind of

00:56:35.280 opposition in Canada,

00:56:36.980 something that can

00:56:37.680 actually stand, or is

00:56:39.360 the government just

00:56:39.880 going to be able to

00:56:40.400 kind of slam this

00:56:41.260 button whenever it

00:56:42.140 feels like it wants

00:56:43.200 to, to kind of, uh,

00:56:44.560 you know, uh, use,

00:56:45.760 you know, Christians or,

00:56:47.220 you know, the, the

00:56:47.840 small percentage of

00:56:48.900 actual, uh, conservatives

00:56:50.620 in the nation as

00:56:51.820 escape though, whenever

00:56:52.700 they feel it's

00:56:53.200 necessary.

00:56:53.480 Well, yes.

00:56:55.360 And, and that not

00:56:57.400 only that, but they

00:56:57.980 clamped down on our

00:56:58.740 guns as well too.

00:57:00.220 So, um, can't buy

00:57:01.220 handguns anymore.

00:57:02.340 Can't buy handguns.

00:57:03.580 Um, and there's a

00:57:04.500 whole bunch of guns.

00:57:05.200 I was just talking

00:57:05.760 with a buddy of mine

00:57:06.880 who's a hunter and he

00:57:08.420 has some guns that he

00:57:09.600 says, oh boy, glad

00:57:10.300 them got, got these a

00:57:11.180 few years ago.

00:57:11.740 I says, because some

00:57:12.940 of the ones, cause

00:57:13.580 he's actually got a, he

00:57:14.800 can carry a pistol.

00:57:15.700 He's got all of his

00:57:16.660 licenses, not a

00:57:18.280 policeman, but, um, um,

00:57:19.880 has just went through

00:57:20.800 the process, did all

00:57:21.720 things and worked

00:57:22.400 it.

00:57:22.540 But, um, he says I

00:57:23.800 couldn't get half the

00:57:24.480 guns I own right now

00:57:25.280 anyways, um, to buy

00:57:26.360 the tape.

00:57:26.660 But so there's that,

00:57:27.880 um, just as you know,

00:57:29.560 um, Gordon McGill

00:57:30.800 wanted me to note

00:57:31.580 that, you know, the

00:57:32.360 trials for Tamara

00:57:33.300 Lynch and Chris

00:57:34.080 Barber are going on

00:57:34.900 right now.

00:57:35.860 So these are going on

00:57:37.120 again in the trucker

00:57:38.160 dispute.

00:57:38.500 So they're being, their

00:57:39.380 punishments are going

00:57:40.140 to be kept down.

00:57:40.600 And these are again,

00:57:41.100 you don't hear about

00:57:41.780 it in the news at

00:57:42.380 all because they're

00:57:43.260 quietly getting, um,

00:57:44.960 railroaded.

00:57:45.960 Um, who knows?

00:57:47.260 I mean, maybe they'll

00:57:47.820 get off.

00:57:48.160 The audit report was

00:57:49.600 people were saying

00:57:50.960 that I hate to say

00:57:52.360 it, but there were

00:57:52.820 certain conservatives

00:57:53.660 in Canada that were

00:57:55.200 like, see, they're

00:57:56.560 going to get Trudeau

00:57:57.620 this time.

00:57:58.720 No, but I think I

00:57:59.600 said this on the show

00:58:00.400 with Laura and I

00:58:01.120 said, um, it's sort

00:58:03.660 of like the, I don't

00:58:04.640 want to bring out

00:58:05.240 Carl Schmidt here, but

00:58:06.180 like he who decides

00:58:08.480 the exception, like

00:58:09.700 what did you think

00:58:10.320 was going to happen?

00:58:11.080 The judge was a

00:58:11.960 liberal party member.

00:58:13.060 I don't think they're

00:58:14.060 going to punish Trudeau

00:58:15.180 over the mishandling

00:58:16.960 of the trucker

00:58:17.600 situation anytime soon.

00:58:19.600 So, no, and, and,

00:58:21.780 um, it's, uh, you

00:58:24.080 know, so all of these

00:58:25.460 things are still in

00:58:26.940 the background.

00:58:27.320 I mean, you know,

00:58:28.480 this is the, one of

00:58:29.800 the sad things that

00:58:30.620 you have in Canadian

00:58:31.380 life is that, you

00:58:32.700 know, you can go

00:58:33.180 shopping, you can go

00:58:34.000 to the mall, you can

00:58:34.920 work, but people do

00:58:35.900 not realize the degree

00:58:37.220 to which, um, you

00:58:39.320 know, you just can't

00:58:40.260 say certain things in

00:58:41.380 public that, you

00:58:42.260 know, it's a

00:58:42.800 quasi totalitarian

00:58:44.440 state, you know, in

00:58:45.580 a sense that the

00:58:47.080 state wishes to

00:58:48.180 dictate the totality

00:58:49.520 of your life and

00:58:50.720 not just how you

00:58:52.100 act, but how you

00:58:53.000 think.

00:58:53.860 Um, and so you

00:58:55.840 have to say the

00:58:56.940 right things, you

00:58:58.160 know, you, you

00:58:59.020 know, you're

00:58:59.560 expected to honk

00:59:00.680 when the, the

00:59:01.360 native protesters

00:59:02.180 are on the bridge

00:59:03.040 flying there like

00:59:03.840 every life matters

00:59:04.880 flags, you know,

00:59:05.620 all of these types

00:59:06.460 of things, um, you

00:59:08.140 know, Canada is a

00:59:09.020 country where, um,

00:59:11.240 you know, workers of

00:59:12.120 the world unite is, is

00:59:14.080 a, is a company.

00:59:15.220 I mean, not a lot of

00:59:16.040 people read Vaklav

00:59:16.920 Havel, but you know,

00:59:18.000 once you have and you

00:59:19.080 look around and you

00:59:19.980 see, um, workers of

00:59:21.680 the world unite is

00:59:23.040 predominant everywhere.

00:59:24.200 So, and everyone

00:59:25.000 does.

00:59:25.860 Yeah.

00:59:26.080 And they can come

00:59:26.700 down on us pretty

00:59:27.360 much anytime they want

00:59:28.460 to.

00:59:28.600 So the, the whole

00:59:29.340 system is bought, I

00:59:30.140 mean, with, um, the

00:59:31.660 human rights

00:59:32.200 tribunals, um, I

00:59:34.820 think isn't even

00:59:35.600 Jordan Peterson's now

00:59:36.860 stuff is now finally

00:59:37.860 Well, he's has, he

00:59:38.720 has to go through a

00:59:39.620 media training program.

00:59:41.320 Oh, okay.

00:59:41.980 He doesn't even live

00:59:42.580 in Canada anymore.

00:59:43.480 No, he'll probably

00:59:44.900 not go.

00:59:45.980 Yeah, I know.

00:59:46.620 Well, he's got the

00:59:47.260 daily wire money, so

00:59:48.280 he'll, you know, but

00:59:49.660 I have to distinguish

00:59:50.760 though.

00:59:51.560 It's good that

00:59:52.320 Kroptos brought up,

00:59:53.600 um, brought up

00:59:55.840 Varkov Havel, because

00:59:57.560 I want to say that

00:59:58.600 Canadians were not as

01:00:01.380 bad as Europe in terms

01:00:02.640 of like explicit legal

01:00:04.300 fair.

01:00:05.120 I mean, listen, I

01:00:06.040 use my real name and

01:00:07.020 face.

01:00:08.000 Giovanni Pettuccini is

01:00:08.900 my real legal birth

01:00:10.160 name, but it's more

01:00:12.340 of the culture of

01:00:14.180 sort of like go along

01:00:15.840 to get along that

01:00:17.220 Havel talks about in

01:00:18.820 the green grocer case

01:00:19.840 that is Canada.

01:00:21.200 It's more of the

01:00:21.960 social conditioning

01:00:22.940 and eventually probably

01:00:24.500 there will be laws.

01:00:25.460 I mean, the trucker

01:00:26.040 thing was met with

01:00:26.720 brutal, uh, crackdowns

01:00:28.660 in states of exception

01:00:29.680 and, and, uh, well,

01:00:31.100 they don't call it the

01:00:31.700 war measures act.

01:00:32.500 What do they call it

01:00:33.080 again?

01:00:33.340 Uh, crop toast

01:00:35.080 don't call it.

01:00:35.740 Oh yeah.

01:00:36.080 They had to, they, they

01:00:37.100 acted on all the

01:00:38.240 things that they used

01:00:38.840 emergency powers act

01:00:40.200 powers at, there you

01:00:41.740 go.

01:00:41.900 That's right.

01:00:42.320 Yes.

01:00:42.920 And unfortunately, yeah,

01:00:44.940 the opposition in

01:00:46.180 Canada, in terms of

01:00:47.180 people that are

01:00:47.700 conservative or right

01:00:48.520 wing, they

01:00:49.460 unfortunately default

01:00:50.320 to like a lot of

01:00:51.120 American assumptions

01:00:52.160 and like a lot of

01:00:53.620 these truckers, I

01:00:54.320 mean, you know, God

01:00:55.240 bless them.

01:00:55.720 But like they said,

01:00:57.240 you know, we do

01:00:58.320 have a constitution

01:00:58.900 Canada, but it's

01:00:59.440 not like the

01:00:59.820 American, uh, you

01:01:01.320 know, it's like

01:01:01.840 unfortunately they

01:01:02.980 consume American

01:01:04.120 conservative, like

01:01:05.280 Fox news media

01:01:06.720 as relevant and

01:01:08.040 rebel media have, you

01:01:09.180 know, catered to more

01:01:10.280 of an American

01:01:10.840 audience by pumping

01:01:12.320 these celebs like

01:01:13.100 Lauren Southern and

01:01:14.040 others into America.

01:01:15.720 So there is like no

01:01:17.220 organic opposition in

01:01:18.520 Canada.

01:01:18.780 That's a big problem.

01:01:19.740 But my last final word

01:01:21.220 would be, uh, well, two

01:01:23.100 things, by the way, I

01:01:24.020 have to say this.

01:01:24.880 I, I've been, I

01:01:25.540 received a text just

01:01:27.180 now or, and my, my

01:01:28.800 girlfriend is a big

01:01:29.660 fan of yours.

01:01:30.680 She really likes your

01:01:31.780 stuff.

01:01:32.040 So I have to say that

01:01:32.880 on air, um, you

01:01:34.580 know, before I forget.

01:01:35.880 No, I appreciate it.

01:01:36.440 I mean, the, the, the

01:01:37.160 true cell death has

01:01:38.180 died, you know, you

01:01:39.360 died the real death,

01:01:40.320 but, uh, I'm glad you

01:01:41.640 have a little amount of

01:01:42.140 an exquisite taste at

01:01:43.200 least.

01:01:43.420 Well, yeah, she's

01:01:44.540 one of yours or an

01:01:45.660 American.

01:01:46.820 So, you know, but,

01:01:48.060 uh, well, one day

01:01:49.040 we'll exfiltrate you.

01:01:50.080 Don't worry.

01:01:50.800 Yeah.

01:01:51.160 Yeah.

01:01:51.940 Um, but one last, a

01:01:54.840 serious point would be

01:01:55.740 that I think you raise

01:01:57.360 a really great question

01:01:58.540 in that.

01:01:59.480 I think that there

01:02:00.260 must be a balance

01:02:01.940 between the needs of

01:02:03.420 indigenous people in

01:02:04.380 Canada who have

01:02:05.600 historically gone

01:02:06.420 through abuses and

01:02:07.440 the needs of

01:02:07.900 Christians in Canada.

01:02:09.440 Unfortunately, we have

01:02:11.660 a government in

01:02:13.080 Justin Trudeau, that

01:02:14.760 is not serious in

01:02:16.300 any regard in

01:02:17.840 terms of balancing

01:02:19.020 the issues, but

01:02:21.520 also in terms of

01:02:22.520 just the historic

01:02:23.260 precedent of the

01:02:23.960 liberal party as

01:02:24.520 Kryptos was saying

01:02:25.340 when it comes to

01:02:26.420 indigenous issues,

01:02:27.280 they can cause,

01:02:28.880 you know, they

01:02:30.140 could talk about

01:02:30.660 all of the activism

01:02:31.600 they want, but the

01:02:32.780 reality is, is that

01:02:33.760 the abuses by

01:02:35.240 indigenous people at

01:02:36.080 the hands of the

01:02:36.640 liberal party has

01:02:38.460 been numerous.

01:02:38.960 And the seriousness

01:02:41.640 of these issues will

01:02:43.240 never be met because

01:02:44.540 we have a spectacle

01:02:45.940 media-driven

01:02:47.340 administration that

01:02:49.400 frankly are concerned

01:02:50.960 with other things and

01:02:52.180 optics rather than the

01:02:53.880 interests of the

01:02:54.520 Canadian people at

01:02:55.220 large, especially

01:02:56.320 indigenous people and

01:02:57.120 especially Christians in

01:02:58.080 Canada.

01:02:58.620 I'm sorry, but the

01:02:59.680 Trudeau government has

01:03:01.160 been on every issue

01:03:03.040 largely a failure

01:03:03.960 because we do not

01:03:05.180 have serious people in

01:03:06.480 charge.

01:03:07.620 I mean, that's the

01:03:09.300 reality.

01:03:09.840 Sorry.

01:03:10.580 That's my little

01:03:11.220 reason.

01:03:11.880 This is not the only,

01:03:13.040 like, the native issue

01:03:14.300 is not the only issue

01:03:15.240 too.

01:03:15.520 Like, there was

01:03:15.960 recent, like, they

01:03:17.200 are looking for every

01:03:19.160 issue dealing with

01:03:20.260 immigrant populations

01:03:21.280 to basically, like,

01:03:23.720 everything is like,

01:03:24.520 well, we've got to

01:03:24.920 worry about Islamophobia.

01:03:27.020 Right?

01:03:27.340 And so the big

01:03:28.520 concern, like, nobody

01:03:29.580 worries about the,

01:03:31.480 you know, the native-born

01:03:35.920 Canadian Christian

01:03:36.880 population in Canada

01:03:38.500 at all.

01:03:39.900 And so they're just,

01:03:41.060 they're always that

01:03:41.780 ready scapegoat there

01:03:44.000 waiting for things to

01:03:45.880 happen at the side.

01:03:46.700 You just, you have

01:03:47.520 that, you know what I

01:03:48.060 mean?

01:03:48.480 And everybody knows

01:03:49.320 who the thing, and

01:03:50.020 people ask, like, you

01:03:51.480 know, what is it with

01:03:52.300 Canadian radicals?

01:03:53.280 Why are there so many

01:03:54.120 on the online dissident

01:03:55.680 rights scene, so many

01:03:56.600 Canadians, and why do

01:03:57.500 these Canadians seem so

01:03:58.640 radical?

01:03:59.500 Because once the dime

01:04:00.700 drops for you in Canada,

01:04:02.420 like, and you look

01:04:03.460 around and you realize

01:04:04.560 and you see the state

01:04:05.480 of things, it's like,

01:04:07.380 well, I'm, you know,

01:04:08.820 everything that people

01:04:09.680 think is happening in

01:04:10.600 the States, we're

01:04:11.200 experiencing it firsthand

01:04:12.240 right here.

01:04:13.800 And so then there's just

01:04:15.100 sort of, well, you know,

01:04:16.160 if they're going to, if

01:04:16.780 they've already outlawed

01:04:17.660 everything, I think

01:04:18.380 anyways, I might as

01:04:19.300 well just, you know, go

01:04:21.520 to the wall with it, you

01:04:22.460 know, and, and just jump

01:04:24.560 in with two feet because

01:04:25.560 there's really, at that

01:04:26.860 point, there's like half

01:04:27.640 measures really don't do

01:04:28.520 it for you.

01:04:29.640 Well, another irony being

01:04:31.300 is that among the

01:04:32.800 indigenous people, I

01:04:33.620 mean, higher rates of

01:04:35.040 church attendance, higher

01:04:37.440 rates of gun ownership,

01:04:38.860 certainly.

01:04:39.580 I wondered, yeah, I was

01:04:40.980 going to say, you know,

01:04:41.960 a number of, of course,

01:04:43.540 Native Americans ended up

01:04:44.760 being Christian, so I had

01:04:46.000 wondered how, you know,

01:04:46.920 how much overlap there

01:04:48.400 was in that Venn diagram.

01:04:50.200 Oh, yeah.

01:04:50.560 Oh, yeah, actually, Gio's

01:04:51.700 right, actually, they have a

01:04:52.560 higher rate of church

01:04:53.260 attendance than the general

01:04:54.140 population in Canada.

01:04:55.620 And they could never

01:04:56.300 outright ban guns in

01:04:57.440 Canada because of them as

01:04:58.620 well.

01:04:58.780 Because of them.

01:04:59.100 Yeah, I mean, well,

01:05:00.500 because of their rates of

01:05:01.720 hunting and gun ownership

01:05:02.740 is way higher than the

01:05:03.740 average population, you

01:05:05.320 know, and another thing

01:05:06.300 too, demographically,

01:05:07.620 Canada, as opposed to

01:05:09.420 America, even, even

01:05:10.700 though America is kind of

01:05:11.680 going that trend with the

01:05:13.000 the mega cities and all

01:05:14.620 that, Canada is like an

01:05:16.420 incredibly urbanized

01:05:17.560 population.

01:05:18.820 Most Canadians, you know,

01:05:20.840 newly landed immigrants

01:05:21.960 exist in like the major

01:05:23.800 four cities, Toronto,

01:05:26.600 Montreal, Vancouver,

01:05:29.100 am I missing a few

01:05:30.520 corrupt, who else?

01:05:32.060 Wow, you've got the

01:05:32.580 mid-sized cities.

01:05:33.560 Calgary, Calgary, you

01:05:35.160 know, and then, you know,

01:05:36.360 Hamilton, Edmonton.

01:05:37.880 Yeah.

01:05:38.780 You know, Kitchener,

01:05:40.080 Waterloo, London.

01:05:42.400 All around the American

01:05:43.500 border, by the way, mostly

01:05:44.700 like that.

01:05:46.040 Yeah.

01:05:46.560 So Canada has like the

01:05:48.360 demographic issues in

01:05:49.360 Canada, especially with the

01:05:51.260 rates of immigration that

01:05:52.340 which, by the way, also will

01:05:53.580 affect services for

01:05:54.720 indigenous people.

01:05:55.480 I mean, not to make the

01:05:56.680 whole like the liberal

01:05:58.020 parties the real racist, but

01:05:59.800 you know, I mean,

01:06:00.760 immigration in Canada,

01:06:01.740 there's not even a will

01:06:02.760 among the Conservative

01:06:04.060 Party to seriously

01:06:05.540 reconsider this

01:06:07.120 correlation between

01:06:08.360 immigration and the

01:06:10.000 housing market in

01:06:11.020 Canada and artificially

01:06:12.560 propping up that housing

01:06:13.600 market and the strain on

01:06:15.500 health care and education

01:06:16.780 and other vital services,

01:06:18.760 let alone the demographic

01:06:20.300 issues that come with it.

01:06:21.580 I mean, there's really no

01:06:22.920 will in Canada to even

01:06:24.060 discuss these things.

01:06:25.700 So that's why a lot of

01:06:26.800 Canadians on the rate,

01:06:27.700 they just go to America.

01:06:29.360 All right, guys, we do

01:06:31.240 we do have a number of

01:06:32.020 questions for you.

01:06:33.120 So I don't know.

01:06:35.880 Rant and rant and rant.

01:06:37.240 I love both of you, but

01:06:38.360 but neither of you are

01:06:39.440 about brevity.

01:06:40.060 And and there are many,

01:06:41.440 many reasons for you to

01:06:43.260 be angry about Canada.

01:06:44.460 So I don't blame you.

01:06:45.300 But we do have to get to

01:06:46.540 some of the questions here

01:06:48.380 for the people.

01:06:48.860 But before we do that,

01:06:49.660 guys, let's go ahead.

01:06:51.000 I've already had people

01:06:51.660 ask about where to find

01:06:52.740 your work.

01:06:53.340 So Kriptos, if you go

01:06:54.340 first, please tell people

01:06:55.360 where are you on Twitter?

01:06:56.480 Where's your sub stack?

01:06:57.300 Where else can people

01:06:57.920 hear you?

01:06:58.680 OK, so on on Twitter,

01:07:01.040 I'm at underscore

01:07:02.180 Kriptos with a K.

01:07:03.980 And then on sub stack,

01:07:07.080 it's seeking the

01:07:08.080 hidden thing dot com.

01:07:09.200 So I have bought my

01:07:10.060 domain name.

01:07:10.700 So it'll you'll find it.

01:07:12.360 But just sub stack

01:07:13.200 seeking the hidden

01:07:14.080 thing dot com.

01:07:15.800 All right.

01:07:16.220 And then Gio, please

01:07:17.240 let everybody know where

01:07:17.880 to find your excellent.

01:07:18.540 Yeah.

01:07:18.920 Well, most people know

01:07:19.920 from Twitter.

01:07:20.580 So at giant Gio,

01:07:22.140 but my YouTube

01:07:23.460 telegram is

01:07:25.260 giant art productions

01:07:26.100 as well as my

01:07:26.940 Instagram.

01:07:28.560 Where all of my art

01:07:29.720 posting, I have been

01:07:31.160 lacking in my art

01:07:31.920 posting because

01:07:32.360 currently I'm writing

01:07:34.000 a book of art

01:07:34.920 criticism called

01:07:36.240 neoliberal kitsch

01:07:37.700 art in the 21st

01:07:38.720 century, which

01:07:39.560 hopefully will be

01:07:40.080 early next year

01:07:41.360 plowing through it.

01:07:43.140 And of course, you

01:07:44.300 can find my telegram

01:07:45.220 is giant productions.

01:07:46.180 That's where I have

01:07:46.900 my more spicier

01:07:47.720 rants, but please go

01:07:48.820 to my YouTube channel.

01:07:49.620 I need to get more

01:07:50.920 YouTube subscribers for

01:07:52.220 my content minded

01:07:53.280 podcast.

01:07:53.880 And of course, me

01:07:55.520 and Prudentialist, we

01:07:56.900 have the digital

01:07:57.460 archipelago this week.

01:07:59.100 It's going to be on

01:07:59.680 his channel.

01:08:00.660 Next week will be on

01:08:01.660 my channel.

01:08:02.420 We're going to have

01:08:03.220 another news

01:08:04.220 orientated stream

01:08:07.120 and hopefully next

01:08:08.380 week we'll have more

01:08:09.000 of an art orientated

01:08:10.000 stream.

01:08:10.360 We have to cover this

01:08:11.560 British miniseries

01:08:12.500 called Nathan Barley

01:08:13.760 that predicted life

01:08:14.900 in the internet age.

01:08:16.200 So it's going to be

01:08:16.760 beautiful.

01:08:17.140 It's going to be my

01:08:17.580 on my channel this

01:08:18.280 week, but tomorrow

01:08:19.160 at 2 15 PM, it's

01:08:21.980 going to be on

01:08:22.480 Prudentialist's channel.

01:08:23.880 So yeah.

01:08:24.180 And my next piece

01:08:25.120 on Patreon.com

01:08:26.120 such as productions

01:08:27.080 and sub stack at

01:08:28.520 uh, geos content

01:08:29.520 corner, go to

01:08:30.500 patreon.com or, you

01:08:32.320 know, I have PayPal

01:08:33.160 and all that good

01:08:34.080 stuff.

01:08:34.720 Uh, sorry.

01:08:35.880 I have to grift

01:08:36.520 my, my upcoming

01:08:39.400 piece is going to be

01:08:40.740 um, working towards

01:08:41.880 a theology of

01:08:43.120 netter.

01:08:43.920 So, um, I know

01:08:46.640 so I've been tooling

01:08:47.860 around, so I'm

01:08:48.260 actually laying out

01:08:48.940 outlines for that.

01:08:49.760 So we're going to

01:08:50.140 work towards, um,

01:08:51.860 try to just begin

01:08:53.400 pushing towards a

01:08:54.680 theology of no

01:08:55.440 enemies to the right.

01:08:56.280 And what was your

01:08:57.660 previous piece on

01:08:58.580 Kryptos?

01:08:59.040 We were going to

01:08:59.420 cover that in a

01:08:59.920 Twitter space.

01:09:00.600 I forgot about that.

01:09:01.140 We were going to do

01:09:01.700 that.

01:09:02.000 That was just the

01:09:03.120 one on why you, why

01:09:04.120 we can't, um, which

01:09:05.100 we should still do

01:09:05.820 do, um, on why

01:09:07.080 that same thing that

01:09:07.880 that Orn and I

01:09:08.540 talked about is why

01:09:09.780 the, um, administrative

01:09:11.280 state can't be

01:09:12.080 reformed.

01:09:12.900 It, um, you, you

01:09:14.600 just, you have to

01:09:15.520 bring it all down.

01:09:16.860 We've got that.

01:09:17.520 We've got that, uh,

01:09:18.240 episode of the

01:09:18.680 backlog.

01:09:18.980 If anybody wants to

01:09:19.900 check it out, it

01:09:20.440 was a very good one.

01:09:21.460 All right, guys, let's

01:09:22.160 go ahead and jump over

01:09:22.780 to our questions

01:09:23.880 from the people, uh,

01:09:25.340 Thogo here for $7

01:09:26.260 says, why are the

01:09:27.420 British former or

01:09:28.660 where are the former

01:09:29.700 British colonies, New

01:09:31.200 Zealand, Australia,

01:09:32.020 Canada performing so

01:09:33.120 badly against the

01:09:34.280 socialist assault on

01:09:36.040 Liberty?

01:09:37.040 Yeah, guys, what's up

01:09:37.840 with the satrapies?

01:09:38.580 Why are they, uh,

01:09:39.380 why are they so, uh,

01:09:40.820 why are they so much

01:09:41.460 more woke than even

01:09:42.380 the Americas?

01:09:43.720 They don't have the

01:09:44.620 theology of the

01:09:45.860 American founding, but

01:09:47.700 you go ahead,

01:09:48.300 corruptos.

01:09:48.840 There's a, there's

01:09:49.400 many reasons for

01:09:50.200 this, but there is

01:09:51.680 it's, it's, it's,

01:09:53.140 I think at some

01:09:54.740 point in time, people

01:09:55.820 just got tired of the

01:09:57.860 cost of, of having

01:10:00.320 colonies in the sense

01:10:01.340 of, of being a, um, a

01:10:05.300 conquering, a conquering

01:10:06.820 nation.

01:10:07.580 So, um, as

01:10:09.680 decolonization occurred,

01:10:11.340 um, the stories began

01:10:12.860 to get told, um, and

01:10:15.080 people began to look at

01:10:16.380 this as, as an, as a

01:10:18.880 quote unquote

01:10:19.340 embarrassing period.

01:10:20.460 You weren't allowed to

01:10:21.800 talk about, um, the,

01:10:24.380 the triumphs and it was

01:10:25.560 just sort of a crisis

01:10:26.460 and confidence in

01:10:27.460 Western culture sort of

01:10:28.540 happened right around

01:10:29.380 the period of, um,

01:10:31.840 decolonization as, you

01:10:33.540 know, India claimed its,

01:10:34.840 its independence as, um,

01:10:36.880 Australia, um, you know,

01:10:39.140 so it, it, all of these

01:10:40.640 things were happening.

01:10:41.480 Um, and so now the one

01:10:44.340 thing you can't do is say

01:10:46.180 that, well, no, um,

01:10:48.480 British Western culture

01:10:50.560 is a good thing and, and

01:10:52.700 we should be imposing it

01:10:53.940 upon you.

01:10:54.380 And this is partly the

01:10:55.280 thing of the residential

01:10:56.020 schools happened during a

01:10:58.200 time when you could still

01:10:59.140 say that, well, you know,

01:10:59.960 it's good to be British and

01:11:01.900 Western and we're doing

01:11:03.360 these Indians a favor by

01:11:05.080 making them more British.

01:11:06.380 And then all of a sudden,

01:11:07.740 um, the progressive dime

01:11:10.240 dropped and, and the meme

01:11:11.620 changed.

01:11:12.200 And now all of a sudden

01:11:13.840 it was no longer

01:11:15.880 acceptable from progressive

01:11:17.360 standards to, to say that

01:11:19.900 they had lost their

01:11:20.620 confidence in their own

01:11:21.620 culture.

01:11:21.980 And now you had to

01:11:22.980 apologize for it.

01:11:24.000 Cause that was the

01:11:24.660 progressive.

01:11:25.080 It was just, we were, we

01:11:26.940 were mean and ugly and we

01:11:28.180 should never have engaged

01:11:29.420 in, in these kinds of

01:11:30.520 imperial actions.

01:11:31.920 Um, that's right.

01:11:34.160 All right.

01:11:34.640 And that's kind of where

01:11:35.260 everything goes now.

01:11:35.980 And that's what really

01:11:36.460 drives it is that guilt for

01:11:37.800 the imperial past.

01:11:38.800 Sorry.

01:11:40.000 I think they also know where

01:11:41.180 power lies.

01:11:41.960 And making sure to

01:11:42.940 signal, um, uh, allegiance

01:11:44.920 to it, uh, even at the

01:11:46.400 global level is, is

01:11:47.500 essential for the ruling

01:11:48.820 parties know who, uh, you

01:11:50.540 know, uh, butter their

01:11:51.520 bread, uh, in all of those

01:11:53.160 countries and they know

01:11:54.000 that it isn't the American

01:11:54.940 right.

01:11:55.840 Uh, all right.

01:11:56.520 So, uh, Mr.

01:11:58.100 Clarity here for, uh, 10

01:12:00.080 Canadian, uh, talking about

01:12:01.740 this with normie Canadians is

01:12:03.800 nigh impossible.

01:12:04.820 There's almost no

01:12:05.880 counterpoint in respectable

01:12:07.560 Canadian media, the orange

01:12:08.960 shirt branding and yearly, uh,

01:12:11.600 shame rituals is a slick

01:12:13.280 package.

01:12:14.600 Uh, what do you guys think

01:12:15.680 about that?

01:12:16.160 Basically impossible to have

01:12:17.220 pushback because, uh, that

01:12:19.320 no respectable Canadian

01:12:20.860 media will touch it.

01:12:22.360 There are, there are

01:12:23.180 pieces here and there, even

01:12:24.780 in the CBC, ironically enough.

01:12:26.440 But yeah, in terms of like the

01:12:29.060 media proper, I mean, certainly

01:12:31.640 the activist class, I mean, my

01:12:33.040 God, they, they, like, like I

01:12:35.160 said, you mentioned Terry

01:12:36.080 Glavin.

01:12:36.660 I mean, you know, they're like

01:12:38.800 leftist activists and NDP

01:12:40.740 people saying that he's part of,

01:12:43.240 uh, part of, uh, G word eyed

01:12:46.120 culture.

01:12:47.280 And, you know, this is a man

01:12:49.240 who's written about indigenous

01:12:50.380 issues for forever.

01:12:51.500 And it's, yeah.

01:12:53.320 Well, like I've, I've, you

01:12:55.060 know, because of my education

01:12:56.540 and so forth and, and some of

01:12:58.400 the activities we do, we move

01:12:59.540 in and out of, you know, um,

01:13:01.540 managerial class circles and so

01:13:03.160 forth.

01:13:03.320 You want to get a room quiet

01:13:04.820 really fast.

01:13:06.220 It's just to say something

01:13:07.320 offhand, you know, like, yeah,

01:13:08.760 if we had a Trump up here in

01:13:09.820 Canada, I'd vote for him in a, in

01:13:11.040 a, in a heartbeat.

01:13:12.580 And you can just, you can just

01:13:14.240 see, you know, you might as

01:13:15.420 well sprouted horns on your head

01:13:17.220 and, you know, um, uh, the

01:13:19.300 flames of hell, like coming up

01:13:21.220 around you.

01:13:22.140 Um, they, they just simply do

01:13:24.440 not want to hear it.

01:13:25.800 Um, most Canadians have been,

01:13:29.220 especially in the professional

01:13:30.340 classes, completely brainwormed.

01:13:32.300 Like I, I know professionals who

01:13:35.020 like two years ago, three years

01:13:37.480 ago, um, transgenderism was not

01:13:40.320 a thing.

01:13:40.900 Now they talk about how

01:13:42.520 transitioning children is, is

01:13:44.600 such a wonderful thing for them

01:13:46.200 that they can express themselves

01:13:47.460 and you're like, and, and, you

01:13:49.580 know, so like, um, you know,

01:13:51.700 if you really want to find

01:13:53.020 normally Canadians, you can

01:13:54.000 talk to, you've got to get

01:13:54.920 outside of the cities, but then

01:13:56.020 most of them are conservatives

01:13:56.960 and then you don't have to, but

01:13:58.120 once you get into the cities,

01:13:59.360 almost everyone, you just have

01:14:01.320 to be very careful about who you

01:14:02.400 talk to.

01:14:02.900 I mean, that's just kind of the

01:14:03.760 way it is.

01:14:04.060 You have to be very careful about

01:14:05.080 how you open your mouth up and,

01:14:07.320 and, you know, who you talk to

01:14:09.360 in public.

01:14:10.900 Yeah.

01:14:11.280 It's just the way.

01:14:11.920 Yeah.

01:14:12.140 Yeah.

01:14:13.060 Uh, Mike Oxlong here for 499.

01:14:15.460 Uh, horrifying subject matter

01:14:17.200 well-addressed by great guests.

01:14:18.960 Thanks, gents.

01:14:20.180 Yeah, no, I, I really appreciate

01:14:21.500 you guys.

01:14:22.480 Yeah.

01:14:22.900 I was glad we were able to get

01:14:24.180 both of you on, uh, to bring

01:14:26.420 this up, uh, and again, you know,

01:14:27.980 geo had taken the fez off knowing

01:14:30.080 that this is a, this is a critical

01:14:31.920 moment and, uh, you know, show

01:14:33.500 it, showing the due respect.

01:14:34.720 All right.

01:14:35.280 And then tiny Rick here for 109.

01:14:37.120 Any thoughts on annexation by

01:14:38.440 America post Caesar?

01:14:40.340 So yeah, we wouldn't do that

01:14:41.420 to you now.

01:14:42.900 Obviously, obviously we don't want

01:14:44.060 to, uh, you under the, the auspices

01:14:45.460 of the Biden administration, but

01:14:47.200 once the red Caesar comes, you

01:14:48.740 know, clearly the day of the

01:14:49.720 rake, you know, free liberating

01:14:51.100 Canadians from.

01:14:52.400 It is one of those things that

01:14:53.680 people chuckle at, but because of

01:14:55.780 the nature of confederation, most

01:14:57.280 people don't realize that it's

01:14:59.320 actually harder to trade within

01:15:01.300 Canada than it is for most

01:15:02.980 Canadian places to trade North and

01:15:04.580 South with the border.

01:15:05.360 So there's a lot of times where

01:15:06.320 provinces have more trade with

01:15:08.860 their natural traits.

01:15:09.700 Like, so Vancouver and British

01:15:11.800 Columbia has more natural ties

01:15:13.400 with the Northwest United States.

01:15:16.000 Um, they're more like California

01:15:18.180 than they are here.

01:15:19.080 The prairie provinces are much

01:15:20.680 more like, you know, Montana,

01:15:22.120 Wyoming, and you think of like

01:15:23.680 the people in Montana and

01:15:24.720 Wyoming and how they are, that's

01:15:26.620 how they are in Alberta and

01:15:27.580 Saskatchewan, you know, people in

01:15:29.400 Ontario were basically like the

01:15:31.460 Midwest United States, you know,

01:15:33.180 like in Chicago, Detroit, um,

01:15:36.200 Cleveland.

01:15:37.040 That's, that's kind of us, right?

01:15:38.700 That manifest destiny lives on,

01:15:40.520 just goes north.

01:15:41.040 That's right.

01:15:41.440 You know, the, and then Quebec

01:15:42.780 gets this kind of its own thing.

01:15:44.380 And, um, and then the, the

01:15:46.440 Maritimes, um, you know, I mean,

01:15:48.620 if you read the early histories,

01:15:49.700 the Maritimes, the provinces,

01:15:51.220 that, that, that interaction back

01:15:52.600 and forth was quite extensive,

01:15:53.720 right?

01:15:54.140 So all of those, those natural

01:15:56.100 ties are far more, more North

01:15:57.940 South natural than they are.

01:15:59.780 So if let's say the U S were to

01:16:01.260 break up into various pieces, you

01:16:03.840 could easily see Canada breaking

01:16:05.840 up along with the U S and, and

01:16:09.020 forming those natural alliances.

01:16:11.140 Um, but so it, it's, it's a

01:16:13.060 very sort of, it's an interesting

01:16:14.720 sort of thing that, that, um, a

01:16:16.340 lot of people have kind of mused

01:16:17.600 on that, that Canada in some sense

01:16:19.100 is kind of an unnatural, um, you

01:16:22.940 know, entity and would have been

01:16:25.500 much more naturally sort of these

01:16:27.480 North South type of corridors in

01:16:29.380 terms of trade and culture and so

01:16:31.260 forth.

01:16:31.500 All right.

01:16:33.180 Well, that is all of our super

01:16:34.360 chats guys, but I want to thank

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 06, 2023

Canada's Anti-Christian Mass Grave Hoax ｜ Guests： Kruptos and Gio Pennacchietti ｜ 9⧸6⧸23

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