Chase Davis is a pastor in Colorado and host of his own podcast, The Full Proof Theology Podcast. In this episode, he talks about his experience leading a protest at the state capitol in Denver, Colorado, in support of a bill that would allow transgenders to use their gender identity in public schools.
00:01:57.420And clearly the Democrats are just going to give up and they're going to do something else because of how.
00:02:02.940Oh, wait, that's not what happened at all.
00:02:04.940Actually, they continue to push for this stuff.
00:02:07.260And one of the wildest places this is happening is Colorado, where they have state legislators that are signing up people for all kinds of crazy legislation,
00:02:16.960restricting the rights of parents, restricting the rights of businesses to use just basic pronouns, basic names,
00:02:23.400even banning normal uniforms for people so that ultimately you can't assign someone their gender uniform.
00:02:30.980There's a lot of people trying to fight back against this.
00:03:13.140We had lots of pastors show up, like you said.
00:03:14.740We had about five pastors speak, three state representatives, all of them Republican, spoke out against this bill and many others that are coming down the pike.
00:05:40.060We will get into the details more of what is going into Colorado or what is going on in Colorado.
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00:06:55.240Well, the bill comes from the pits of hell as far as I'm concerned, but as you rightly introduced the show, what's happening in states like Colorado, where the Democrats have a majority in both the House and legislature and in the governor's office, is they're radically trying to transform and hedge against any kind of federal incursion.
00:07:15.860So we saw this last year where there was a big fight in the state about two things, one, school choice, and two, abortion.
00:07:22.980And for the left, they wanted to make abortion, basically making a constitutional amendment to adopt abortion into the Constitution.
00:07:29.900Of course, our church and many other Christians across the state were trying to petition the government and solicit signatures to get another bill that would abolish abortion.
00:07:39.020I don't believe we reached the threshold mark for those signatures, but this is kind of what you're seeing.
00:07:44.460I think Washington is doing something similar.
00:07:46.380This bill, particularly House Bill 25, 13, 12, euphemistically called transgender rights, does a number of things that are incredibly wicked.
00:07:56.040One, of course, referring to deadnaming and misgendering, and that goes for any places of public accommodation.
00:08:02.860So if you're a business owner or you have any public place and you deadname or misgender, as it's called, you could be brought before the Civil Rights Commission.
00:08:11.600They're essentially trying to Jack Phillips the entire state.
00:08:14.440Anyone who disagrees with the transgender ideology, they're going to bring the Civil Rights Commission, which is exactly what Jack was put through for, gosh, 10 years.
00:08:22.460Another thing, like you mentioned, was dress code violations.
00:08:26.100Now, no longer can schools have dress codes because that would reinforce gender norms.
00:08:32.360The most kind of devious part of the bill talks about parental rights.
00:08:36.780And, of course, you know, my heart is for God-fearing people and Christians to understand when the left puts this stuff in there.
00:08:47.240And so I'll say what it is and kind of show their hand.
00:08:50.340What they do is, like, basically, if a parent does not affirm a child's chosen gender, then that authorizes a judge or the magistrate to come and take that child out of that parent's custody.
00:09:05.200So it's a violation of parental norms.
00:09:11.660Okay, so they say it's in, like, a divorce dispute and it's held by the judge and the judge has to decide who gets custody.
00:09:18.560Obviously, the judge could consider this.
00:09:20.740But we all know that this is how the left plays their games to get power.
00:09:24.340It's essentially state kidnapping from parents who don't go along with transgender ideology.
00:09:29.580Those are the most, that's, like, the most radical part of the bill.
00:09:33.000This isn't unheard of in the United States, but it's definitely one of the most, like, extreme left bills put forward.
00:09:40.880And so that's what's kind of going on the bill.
00:09:42.160There's several others, one related to taxpayer-funded abortions, but the whole kind of Democrat party in Colorado is just going lockstep with this stuff.
00:09:51.300It passed through the House along party lines, Democrats seven, Republicans four.
00:09:56.640And so right now it's kind of held up in limbo waiting for the House to take it up.
00:09:59.480Chase, are you telling me that someone is going to use the Civil Rights Act, like, civil rights law is going to get used in order to restrict Christian freedom and destroy the truth and ultimately drive a wedge in civilization between parents and children?
00:10:23.880I guess everyone who points out these problems is probably just a racist, right?
00:10:27.700Like, they're all just looking for Jim Crow.
00:10:29.760There's no real concern that one might have that this overarching second constitution could ultimately be used in a way that is not in no way the original understanding and could eventually destroy everything that we know and love about the country.
00:10:44.720That said, we have a scenario here, obviously, where most people saw the Trump victory.
00:10:54.320They saw the mandate that came from Trump and the fact that won the Congress, you know, won both House and the Senate.
00:11:02.240Theoretically, we have a conservative Supreme Court, though they literally just stabbed all the conservatives in the back again and said that we can't deport illegal immigrants without giving them, you know, 19 different appeals.
00:11:15.220But, you know, we'll get we'll get to that soon.
00:11:26.720Like it lost it lost the ballot box, the cultural momentum must be dead for a victory of that size.
00:11:32.360So we don't have to worry about this anymore.
00:11:34.940But it sounds like what you're saying, and this is what I've seen, not just in Colorado, but in other states, is that what we're getting is a retrenchment.
00:11:41.820Like ultimately, the left is still very, very invested in this ideology, especially, obviously, the true believers, the vanguard, the diehards.
00:11:54.740And so their plan is, well, ironically, to use states' rights to actually deploy these schemes, deploy this stuff before the federal government can get involved, before they can put up any barriers or any standards or any restrictions.
00:12:07.620And they're hoping to build, you know, kind of build this so deep into the infrastructure of the law that ultimately, if the Trump administration or someone else tries to come along and say, no, we're not doing this anymore, this is over, that it's already dug deep into their legal system.
00:12:32.060I mean, who could have seen this coming?
00:12:33.180I mean, we've had great books written on how the Civil Rights Act not only was misunderstood at the time, but it's become corrupt over time.
00:12:42.200And this is what they're going to continue to try to trot out.
00:12:44.920In fact, when Republican legislators asked in the House in Colorado, they asked, hey, did you stakehold this with anyone else that would be opposed to transgender ideology?
00:12:54.920They compared anyone that disagreed with this kind of stuff to the KKK.
00:13:00.760So they said, why would we talk during the era of civil rights?
00:13:03.600Why would we talk to the KKK about civil rights?
00:13:06.380And so this is how they view their opponents.
00:13:08.420And unfortunately, many conservatives, many God fears, many Christians are simply just like too willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
00:13:15.320They think they are, quote unquote, good faith kind of people who really want the best for people.
00:13:20.220It's like, no, these are these are wicked laws written by wicked people studying the doctrines of demons who are trying to push this wickedness in our state.
00:13:28.720And so this is exactly what you're saying.
00:13:57.820That's when it first came to my attention.
00:13:59.660I sent out a tweet about it, kind of a call to action.
00:14:03.120And then we immediately spun up kind of a pastor's cohort.
00:14:05.960One of the unique things, Orin, about this kind of pastor's thing, the Fight 1312 kind of coalition, is not only how it spans the nominations, but also it's mainly like medium to smaller sized churches.
00:14:16.820And it was kind of a call to action for the larger churches.
00:14:19.160It was kind of a grassroots kind of populist sentiment where it's like, look, we've got these major Christian organizations, Navigators, Young Life, Compassion International,
00:14:29.080We've got those big evangelical organizations in Colorado.
00:14:32.120And then we've also got mega churches in Colorado, like all over the United States.
00:14:36.540And so we're trying to encourage them to speak boldly.
00:14:38.720And as soon as they speak boldly, like one guy, Flatirons Church, which is one of the biggest churches in our state, it's in Boulder County.
00:14:46.680And our coalition is happy to champion him speaking out as well.
00:14:50.160And so we need these people with larger platforms than us, with larger influence than us, to speak out and equip their people, disciple their people in their church, to know the times and know the truth of God's word and how these legislators are really, really conniving and pushing wickedness in our state.
00:15:05.880Your camera is lagging a little bit, but luckily your audio is good.
00:15:20.600I think most people look at a place like Colorado and it's not obviously a red state.
00:15:25.900I don't think anyone's confused about that, but they probably don't expect that level of radicalism, that initiative to kind of push the agenda that far in a place like Colorado.
00:15:37.180How much of this is proximity to California?
00:15:42.920Is this the temperature of what you would expect in Colorado or is this bled over from being a refugee site from the People's Republic of California?
00:15:53.860Why do you think that this is being pushed now?
00:15:57.080Yeah, so it's a lot of people who have moved into Colorado.
00:16:01.520Most of these people, these legislators have come from somewhere else.
00:16:28.400And Denver kind of became a hotbed for a lot of this stuff.
00:16:31.640Because what happened when with the legalization of marijuana in Colorado, it wasn't just the legalization of marijuana.
00:16:38.320It was the type of people that were drawn to that kind of culture and kind of a lifestyle of getting high and all the values that come along with that.
00:16:47.420And it wasn't just a libertarian ethos, which is what Colorado used to be.
00:16:50.740Colorado used to be very libertarian, kind of the West.
00:16:54.000And, you know, that's very common in the Western United States.
00:17:02.080It always ends up in kind of woke social dogma being permitted and then eventually enforced upon other people.
00:17:08.820And so, yeah, there are a lot of Californians.
00:17:12.360But it's a lot of people who are just diehard true believers, a lot of like social activists, a lot of people who are involved in kind of government programs, all that kind of stuff are pushing this stuff.
00:17:24.200And it's very, like I said, it's heinous.
00:17:27.560You know, it's hard to believe that a state like Colorado, which 30 years ago, 30 years ago was known as kind of red, you know, especially for the evangelical landscape.
00:17:36.020It was kind of a, you might call it a hotbed of Christian.
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00:18:00.300But a lot of those individuals have kind of lost their appetite, I guess, for the fight.
00:18:04.640And so now they're not really speaking up as much.
00:18:07.900They're not getting involved as much, which is really sad to see because we need them in the fight.
00:18:12.520And Colorado is actually a very wittable state in terms of like if the Christians could get engaged and knew what was going on.
00:18:18.480And I spoke at Colorado Christian recently and they, you know, I heard sentiments from some of an older generation who were like, we're just so busy with grandkids and traveling.
00:18:29.200We didn't even know this stuff was happening.
00:18:30.780And so we need to bring more awareness.
00:18:33.560That's why I'm thankful for you having me on the show is because we need to bring more awareness to more people for more Christians to get involved.
00:18:40.260A lot of pastors don't want to speak up because they're either scared of, you know, their 501c3 status or something like that, or they're scared of offending kind of the random blue haired feminist that comes to their church.
00:19:04.680He was one of the only mega church pastors that kind of signed on our statement.
00:19:07.740It was, he spoke at the Capitol last Thursday.
00:19:09.920And so I just want to commend him and his courage, uh, because it does take guts when you run a big ship like that.
00:19:14.880Uh, you know, there's a lot of things you got to consider, but he took great stands during kind of lockdowns and masks and all that.
00:19:21.860And so he's been really good and courageous all throughout.
00:19:24.440So I'm really thankful for pastor Jeff.
00:19:27.100Uh, yeah, that, that, uh, partly answers my next question, but I wanted to get the whole answer.
00:19:31.460Uh, what do you feel is the temperature of Colorado in general?
00:19:36.440Do you think it was just an ignorance of people not knowing what was going on here?
00:19:40.740Do you think the majority of people in Colorado ultimately support this?
00:19:44.520Is this something that got snuck in by radicals in a moment, or is this something that you think has a certain level of popular momentum among, uh, voters in Colorado?
00:20:12.560Well, while I wait for chase to hopefully return there, uh, like I said, this is something that we are seeing over and over again, uh, that the, the wider understanding as to whether or not the woke will be put away, whether or not we will step away from the progressive radicalization.
00:20:30.820I think a lot of people, you know, initially with the, with the victory of Trump, uh, assume that that was going to be automatic, that this, you know, you'd have some lagging pieces here and there.
00:20:42.480Of course, some of the crazies are still going to be screaming on a university campus somewhere, but in general, we were going to see a stepping away from the, especially this stuff.
00:20:52.120There's just, there's not a lot of people who ultimately you would think, uh, uh, prioritize, uh, the transing of children, the pushing of the, uh, the trans agenda, making sure that you can't, uh, Oh, I think we might have chase back here.
00:21:12.480Yeah, no, it seems like you're having an exciting time.
00:21:15.200So before we lost you there, my question to you was, uh, a lot of people, uh, in California or rather in Colorado, uh, do they ultimately, do you think support this?
00:21:26.760Was this something that was kind of snuck in at the last minute?
00:21:29.500Is it something that's very unpopular, but the, just the radicals got on the agenda or do you think there is actually like a popular, uh, voter mandate for passing this type of legislation in Colorado?
00:21:41.200No, I don't think the voters of Colorado support this.
00:21:44.440I think it's widely unpopular, even though it's a blue state and went blue against Trump.
00:21:49.340I, you know, we're hearing from organizations like gays against groomers.
00:21:52.980Uh, we're seeing radical feminists, TERFs come out against it.
00:21:56.740We're seeing, uh, people who are, you know, special needs and kind of that community come out against it who aren't Christians necessarily.
00:22:06.440Um, but unfortunately for a lot of conservatives, they're so kind of deeply in that mind of like,
00:22:11.200live and let live and they don't want to bother anybody that, that they have a hard time knowing what action to take.
00:22:16.900Um, we're seeing different state representatives get involved, Jarvis Caldwell, um, these kinds of people.
00:22:22.780And so it's good that people are getting more involved and kind of waking up.
00:22:26.240But I think one thing that we need to pay attention to Colorado is, which is true.
00:22:30.380I think in other States like Texas, even though it may be red would be that, look, a lot of people are kind of like late to the game.
00:22:36.520And I'll confess, like this bill came out of nowhere for me, but there's been groups in Colorado, like Colorado parent advocacy network and others that have been dealing with this for six years.
00:22:45.360They've been highlighting this and it's kind of like that frog in the, in the boiling water.
00:22:49.020They've, they've been introducing these bills over the last six years as the, as the Democrats have had power and on their face, you may think, oh, well, it's not that bad.
00:22:56.960It's not that bad until, until they come out with a bit like this and you're like, oh no.
00:23:00.160And then you look at what led up to this and they've been doing this the whole time.
00:23:03.500So this ideology, it's not, it is popular in like, you know, kind of some secular culture, like Denver, Boulder, other places, but it's wildly unpopular across the state, including most people who wouldn't even call themselves Christian.
00:23:22.240In fact, one of the biggest LGBTQ organizations in Colorado just pulled their support for it last Thursday.
00:23:27.440I like to think it's because we prayed and we spoke, but who knows what was going on behind the scenes, but they just pulled their support for the bill.
00:23:35.600Do you think that it's, that it's, you know, uh, uh, turfs, you know, it's feminine, it's feminine, radical feminists who oppose the, the changing of the definition of women that seem to get more politically active and get more political traction than Christians.
00:23:53.500I mean, don't get me wrong, obviously because they're feminists and because they have the cultural momentum and status that comes with being left adjacent, their concerns get heard more by, I think, fascial outlets.
00:24:05.000They're, they're given the time of day.
00:24:06.320And so unfortunately there's a tactical advantage they have there, but I think it really says something that, you know, that, that they are so critical to the opposite of opposition to something like this.
00:24:17.680When Christians seem more hesitant and unwilling to discuss that.
00:24:21.580I mean, it doesn't that say that the feminists are more religiously devoted to their understanding of feminism than many Christians are to their religious understanding of God's order.
00:24:35.180And I think many Christians have just been so poorly discipled and they haven't been given God's word, uh, and how it's been applied throughout history.
00:24:42.580They haven't really been educated on what it looks like for Christians to get politically engaged and they bought, you know, it's wild.
00:25:15.640And that's a deal with the devil for Christians.
00:25:17.120That's, that's not how it's going to work in God's world for Christians.
00:25:20.360And I think a lot of pastors and a lot of Christian leaders, they just haven't equipped their people on what it looks like to be politically engaged.
00:25:26.560We're seeing a lot of people, my age, millennial and younger who are either in ministry or Christians.
00:25:30.660And they're kind of going, Hey, like, what have we been doing for the last 20 years?
00:25:33.840Like, why haven't we been getting equipped on this?
00:25:35.660I think a lot of Christians, they have kind of this natural instinct to want to not be too like offensive or mean.
00:25:45.940And they kind of, they, they wanted to throw off kind of the moral majority type attitude that kind of felt a little more belligerent.
00:25:52.700And so they adopted the kind of coexist kind of the liberal order idea, not to mention for Christians, we care a lot about seeing people saved.
00:26:00.980We, we want to see people come to know the living God.
00:26:03.720And it was, we just celebrated Easter yesterday.
00:26:05.840It was a great day, but a lot of Christians, because they want to see people come to know Jesus as Lord and understand him as Lord and worship him rightly.
00:26:15.660A lot of times their strategy for, for seeing that come, come to bear in other people's lives is to never upset them.
00:26:23.080It's kind of what's called relational evangelism, where you just kind of, you don't disagree with somebody who voted differently than you or has, you know, has the rainbow flag up front.
00:26:32.100You never want to offend them because maybe one day, you know, they may want to hear about Jesus and you just want to show you're a nice person.
00:26:38.040And that'll show them that you're not like those mean Christians they've heard of somewhere else.
00:26:42.420And that kind of attitude is really kind of a loser attitude where you're really not, you're not entering public discourse.
00:26:51.100I'm not saying you need to go out and be unnecessarily offensive or provocative necessarily, but, you know, you can just disagree with people.
00:26:59.000You can say, Hey, I think that's bad for people.
00:27:01.000They obviously think your religion is bad for people too.
00:27:03.540And so I think that it's just equipping people in how they relate to their neighbors, love their neighbors.
00:27:08.840And that's the thing a lot of Christians have been duped by is they think loving their neighbors means being a nice person, kind of being in a doormat, kind of laying down and just doing whatever your neighbors want.
00:27:21.220When Jesus says to love our neighbor, we're supposed to go back to the law, God's law, particularly summarizing the Ten Commandments, and look at what does it mean to love our neighbor?
00:27:37.360One way to love my neighbor is to make sure the state can't come to their house and steal their child because they decided not to chop off their genitals.
00:27:43.820That sounds like a pretty important aspect to loving my neighbor.
00:27:49.860But, you know, this is just so much libertarian kind of live and let live, coexist, kind of a saturation, you might say, of evangelicalism.
00:28:00.720This is common in the United States and Western Christianity.
00:28:03.540And I think that kind of attitude, and we talked about it on a previous episode, that kind of attitude is a losing strategy.
00:28:09.980It's just basically demitude you're accepting, like Christians in Egypt or other places, where you're just kind of accepting that we lose down here.
00:28:17.860You know, we can't get involved politically.
00:28:19.820And there's tons of ways to get involved politically.
00:28:25.180And maybe you can help me think about this on air live.
00:28:27.760But there were some organizations that were kind of latecomers to this, and we know all the help we can get.
00:28:32.880So I'm not going to try to speak too negatively of their kind of jumping on kind of against this wickedness.
00:28:37.920I want anyone who is opposed to this wickedness to speak out against it.
00:28:40.520But one organization that's been a pretty subversive organization in the Southern Baptist Convention is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the ERLC.
00:28:48.100And they came out, and they released kind of a statement saying they're opposed to this.
00:28:52.280And their two recommendations were basically pray and write into your legislator.
00:28:56.360And they made it pretty difficult to write into your legislature.
00:28:59.040But again, thank God they said something.
00:29:01.600You know, that's good that a national organization.
00:29:03.760But there's not a lot of equipping for pastors.
00:29:05.880Like, pastors, if you want to engage on this, but you're scared of losing your 501c3 status, here's how you can talk about it prudently.
00:29:11.400Here's three options that you can plug into your sermon text tomorrow to speak on this issue.
00:29:15.580Hey, did you want to mobilize other Christians to rally at the Capitol?
00:29:20.220Hey, do you want a representative from the ERLC?
00:29:22.520Hey, do you want to speak to a lawyer?
00:29:24.200So you don't have to be the bad guy, pastor.
00:29:25.880You could interview a lawyer at your church from the ADF or something.
00:29:29.780So there's lots of options that we can equip Christians on to think politically.
00:29:33.480But unfortunately, many evangelicals are just kind of stuck in kind of this liberal order coexist world.
00:29:38.140Yeah, there's a lot there because this is the main thing I wanted to hit on this.
00:29:44.660So in any other situation, the left has an entire network of activists, an entire network of NGOs that is primed and ready to go the minute that legislation that they hate appears in a place like Colorado or Florida or something like that.
00:30:05.060Right. Like they immediately start air dropping people into the state to start canvassing, organizing, making sure that they coordinate legal maneuvers, PR, all of this stuff.
00:30:19.140There are so many different organizations that do this for the left on a consistent basis, and they get heavily, heavily funded.
00:30:27.420People make entire livings doing nothing but running around on the left and smacking down legislation like this that they hate from the other side.
00:30:35.560Right. And you have, obviously, organizations like the ADL who professionally go around and threaten to sue anyone who might restrict or speak out against the Jewish religion or ethnos or anything else.
00:30:52.360So there are religions in the United States that have organizations well-funded and extremely powerful who throw their weight around and immediately kill legislation like this in the crib.
00:31:04.060Right. If you have legislation that is stealing Christian children from Christian parents, there should be an organization that immediately deploys itself to go stop them.
00:31:16.580That is Christian persecution. This should be as obvious as possible to anyone else.
00:31:22.400Obviously, you guys are starting something, and that's awesome. Right. But the fact that you had to start it is just insane to me that the fact that the left has this massive infrastructure and network
00:31:33.200and everything else, that they would not hesitate to drop the hammer on any aspect of something that targeted certain groups, certain religions, would have a deleterious effect.
00:31:43.540Like, the fact that that is just a rapid deployment thing that the left is ready to do at any moment, and the right doesn't even, they're just kind of like, well, I don't know.
00:31:51.680Have you thought about writing a letter? Have you a strongly worded letter?
00:31:56.040Like, that's actually the response we're getting from major Christian organizations. It just seems insane to me.
00:32:02.060It is insane. And, you know, what's frustrating about things like the letters, one, they obviously didn't, like, give you a template.
00:32:08.520Heritage says great on this. Heritage, like, if you're looking for the link, I can send it to you, Warren.
00:32:12.860But, like, we put it on our website, 51312.com, where it's like you can immediately, they've got a template, all the stuff ready to go.
00:32:19.020So you can do, we're trying to do that every day to just really get those letters in. That's not wrong.
00:32:23.720But like you said, it was kind of a joke that we had a group chat of pastors who were just kind of, you know, encouraging one another, praying for one another.
00:32:31.500Hey, what are you going to do for this? And also sharing articles and trying to equip each other to think better because we're not getting a lot of that from our, like, Big Eva overlords.
00:32:40.080We've kind of left that behind. And so the fact that one of our pastors had to turn his GoDaddy site, and for, like, a week, the site was, like, still 51312 or pastorkrisgoble.godaddy.com.
00:32:52.340We had to convince him to go buy 51312.com because so it didn't look so bad.
00:32:58.160But, like, what a joke that, like, Christians aren't that mobilized and unified around defending Christian families, much less we're American citizens, much less defending the rights of our neighbors.
00:33:10.080We claim to love our neighbors. And we should be, of all people, concerned about this legislation because, yes, against Christians, form the families, the shield wall, the vanguard, whatever you want to call it, for Christians.
00:33:21.360But don't just settle for that. We actually want good for our neighbors. And it's not good for your neighbor's kid to go trans. It's not good for your neighbor to be trans.
00:33:28.040Like, that's common Christian basic doctrine. And the fact that we have such a lack of mobilization, I really don't understand.
00:33:36.980So maybe you understand what happened being in politics, but, like, I don't understand what happened because Focus on the Family used to be really involved, like, you know, getting people to rallies, speaking out against stuff.
00:33:47.240I mean, I think it was 1992, Colorado had an amendment on the ballot to define marriage between a man and a woman.
00:33:52.520And from my understanding, what happened was a lot of the churches, they were happy about that, but then the left treated them so poorly, they were like, maybe we, this is the big thing for a lot of evangelicals, we harmed our witness to them.
00:34:05.080Maybe they misinterpreted what we wanted. We actually do love them in a God-like love, but we have to tone down our rhetoric in order to appease them.
00:34:14.480And my message continues to be to Christians, you cannot appease the left. The left are people that hate God. They hate God, and they don't want good for you.
00:34:24.840And going back to kind of the letters and the suggestions, what I heard in the testimony, I listened to about five hours of the 10-hour testimony in the House, and I saw the TERF speaking very clearly about how this is bad, how it's wicked, how it's evil.
00:34:37.660But I would hear Christians get up and provide testimony, and they would always give the benefit of the doubt to the legislators.
00:34:43.980They would say, oh, we know that you care about people, and I know gay people and trans people in my life, and I don't wish any evil on them, and I don't wish any harm.
00:34:51.940We're just concerned. We're just concerned that this might be too much.
00:34:55.640And it was kind of the same tepid response from a lot of big organizations like the URLC, where it's kind of framed in this kind of like, we're just concerned.
00:35:01.900You know, it's not good. It's not the best to care for people. It's like, no, this is wicked. This is really bad.
00:35:08.680Like, we need to warn people from the Bible, and that's from the Bible, from nature.
00:35:12.240Like, this is bad legislation, and God will judge you when you do this kind of stuff.
00:35:17.280We know this as Christians. We know this is how God works.
00:35:20.740God poured out all of His judgment on Jesus for those who are found in Christ on the cross of Christ.
00:35:25.040And we have life in Him, and we have His righteousness now.
00:35:27.840But God will deal with evil, and so He should warn people that propagate this stuff.
00:35:33.140Like, this is wickedness, and judgment will come upon you, and we don't want that for you.
00:35:36.860That's a loving thing to say to people, and a lot of Christians don't know how to say that well.
00:35:40.900Yeah, I was going to say, like, the fact that it isn't focused on the family still based in Colorado.
00:35:46.540Did they reach out to you? Are they taking any action?
00:35:49.180Like, that is insane to me. I grew up listening to James Dobson, you know, to and from, you know, school every day.
00:35:57.320My mom had them on in the car every time, and it's just wild to me that, yeah, something that used to be a powerful cultural force.
00:36:05.760I mean, Focus on the Family had a booth in London at the ARC conference, but they're not going to take care of business in their own backyard.
00:36:15.320It's insane, and I'm sorry, like, I don't mean to just bag on, focus on the family here, but this is an incredible failure, and honestly, someone needs to bag on these people at this point.
00:36:25.180Like, that's the purpose of your organization.
00:36:28.620If you exist for anything, then you have to exist for this.
00:36:34.460Why is anyone sending you a single dollar if you can't get off your butt in your home state and keep kids from getting mutilated?
00:36:50.420Yeah, that's why we wrote the letter that we did, because it was, and you can go find the letter, fight1312.com.
00:36:55.360I mean, we called them all out, because the thing of another organization, Compassion International, and this kind of goes back, and we can talk about the heat map meme if you want,
00:37:03.500but, like, there's kind of this managerial class and evangelicalism, and there's a bunch of ministries that became global and corporate, and they have an HR department, and Compassion International deals with children all around the world, and in their own backyard.
00:37:22.140I realize it may be off mission for them a little bit, okay, but it seems a little on mission to care about kids and the welfare of kids in their own state.
00:37:31.040Like, what good is it if you send millions of dollars overseas to go care for children overseas, but you lose the ones in your own nation?
00:37:38.220And this is a very, very big problem in the church today for a lot of people.
00:37:44.200They have a greater kind of love for the nations than they do for their own neighbor.
00:37:48.680They have no problem with missions overseas, spreading the gospel overseas.
00:37:52.720It's very highly commanded, and I don't either.
00:37:58.900But if you do that to the detriment of your own, and you do that to the detriment of the people in your own backyard, and this is why Trump was so wildly popular.
00:38:05.360He actually cares about the people in America.
00:38:08.660This is why the Trump agenda is so popular with people in America, because he does care about the people in America, whereas most evangelical leaders, they're very obsessed with, like, people over there, you know, but let's not focus on the people right next door.
00:38:22.460I mean, the same thing with Young Life and Navigators.
00:38:25.220These are major Christian organizations.
00:38:26.780I'm pretty sure Young Life is bigger, but they deal with teens, you know, who are struggling.
00:38:30.300A lot of teens that are in public schools that are struggling with this stuff.
00:38:33.700And this is, like, right down the middle for them to knock out of the park and release a good statement and equip the people that lead their organization to get involved in this fight.
00:38:45.480I think – I hope people don't hear me becoming bitter or something like that against them, but more just shocked, you know, about how they won't get involved.
00:38:53.600If they were to get involved, I would be their biggest advocate.
00:38:57.360It reminds me of how I felt – I was telling my wife this and a couple of friends in 2020 when we saw kind of cities burning down, when we saw the lockdowns.
00:39:06.000And I'm like, where are the guys who have – apparently they have all the credentials.
00:39:45.240We've lost basic discipleship, and we've settled for kind of entertaining the masses and trying to reach, you know, the person with the rainbow flag next door, which we do want to reach for the gospel.
00:39:55.180But you're not going to reach them with the gospel by watering down God's truth itself.
00:40:00.160Yeah, I mean, I'm not a pastor, you know, but I feel like it's fair, you know, to make a – you know, what should be not a radical or bold statement.
00:40:10.360But if your Christian organization can't defend the children in your state, cannot be bothered to stop the mutilation of children in your state, then you have a useless Christian organization.
00:40:41.680You know, I'm not trying to say, like, oh, these all just need to get burned to the ground.
00:40:45.640But one of the things that needs to happen here is, like, everyone needs a gut check.
00:40:49.920Like, all these people need to go down the floor.
00:40:51.660For way too long, the right in general, but specifically the Christian right, has just been sending its dollars to random organizations because they exist.
00:41:01.700Because that's what good Christians do.
00:41:36.720So maybe it's time to put your children before that.
00:41:40.000Maybe it's time for a Christian organization who receives dollars from people who expect them to stand up for their actual beliefs and actual principles.
00:41:52.160And if the organizations that do not, that exist right now are unwilling to do that, then they are not fit for purpose.
00:41:58.740And they either need to be radically reformed or they need to be replaced.
00:42:02.180And if your Christianity, if your understanding of Christianity prevents you from defending children from being mutilated, then I think you have bad Christianity.
00:42:12.080I think you have Christianity that simply does not follow Christ.
00:42:15.740And I'm sorry, but we cannot pull punches on this anymore.
00:42:18.840Like, there's just no time to mince words on this.
00:42:35.740Now is the time to secure victories, clean house, build real institutions, secure actual political power that allows you to protect Christians and children now.
00:42:47.700And that's why we've been saying this is indicative of kind of the broader evangelical landscape where that kind of drain the swamp mentality.
00:42:56.640It's time for the swamp to be drained.
00:42:58.420And if you go to one of these churches or you're part of one of these institutions that refuses to lift a finger now, then you need to abandon ship because they are not going to protect you from this stuff.
00:43:10.880They're not going to teach you about this stuff.
00:44:24.720No, the Democrats, they're practicing wickedness.
00:44:27.140Oh, you can criticize the Republicans all you want.
00:44:29.540I'm not, you know, like there's a lot of feckless Republicans out there.
00:44:32.720But I'm saying this stuff, this is a line in the sand moment for Christians to wake up and be like, no, Democrats, they're practicing wickedness.
00:44:38.900And any Christian who would participate in that, they should be ashamed of that.
00:44:42.240And for a lot of us, we were trying to warn them, like, look, I know that you may find Trump uncouth or you may not be a fan of Republican fiscal policy or something like that.
00:44:50.320But this kind of stuff, this is evil and you cannot participate in it.
00:44:55.100And that shouldn't, like, I realize that may upset some people in a church somewhere.
00:45:14.860And that's true not just in Colorado, but around the United States.
00:45:17.780And if we could provide actual, tangible political leadership without needlessly mixing the two spheres, without mixing church and state to a degree that would be inappropriate historically, but doing so with our rights.
00:46:00.080And so there's lots of people joining the fight.
00:46:01.800I'm really excited because there's a lot of people responding to the call.
00:46:05.080A lot of people who, I'll be honest with you, Warren, like, in kind of our circles in the pastors in Colorado, we are seeing our church and our pastorate at the Well Church in Boulder, Colorado.
00:46:15.000It's kind of seen as, like, definitely conservative.
00:46:17.680And we're not afraid to speak our mind.
00:46:20.480We try to equip Christians to think seriously about the times and live a holy life and righteous life before the Lord.
00:46:25.980And so a lot of pastors will kind of give us the side eye, like, oh, well, you know, you're just a radical right winger, all this kind of stuff.
00:46:33.460When it came down to it and we sent out a call, an email to these people, a lot of them came up to the plate because they're like, you know what?
00:46:40.460We may have different approaches to how we engage in culture.
00:46:42.940We may have different approaches to how we speak about these things.
00:46:46.600And I'm seeing that all over the place in Colorado.
00:46:48.800So we're seeing a lot of good churches.
00:46:50.260But the megachurch are just slow to act.
00:46:52.320That's why I'm so encouraged, like I said, for Pastor Jeff down at Brave Church, Pastor Jim at Flatirons Church.
00:46:58.100So we're seeing a lot of churches get involved.
00:46:59.780But these, you know, it's hard not to have a salty earth attitude with these organizations and other Christians who have influence in our state and in our nation who don't get involved in this stuff.
00:47:10.340I'm kind of like, look, I'm not going to anathematize you.
00:47:13.200I might see you on the other side, but you're useless right now.
00:47:16.600You're not going to defend us and you're not going to speak for God's truth in the world.
00:47:20.500Yeah, this is a moral softball, right?
00:47:22.420Like if you there are things that are tricky.
00:47:30.580If you cannot stand up on this, if you do not grasp this as evil, if you do not understand that you need to take a stand here, then you just never will.
00:50:30.640Yeah, and I think what you're talking about is exactly what I have a heart for the church to know more about.
00:50:34.620Because I think when many pastors enter the ministry, they get ordained or by other means, they somehow adopted like there's a lot in theology today about how we're not, we have no home here.
00:50:47.560You know, this isn't our eternal home.
00:50:51.060And so when a lot of pastors enter the ministry, they kind of adopt this attitude of like, well, we're ambassadors for Christ, and my allegiance is primarily to the kingdom of God, which of course, true in a sense.
00:51:02.180But they've taken that to mean, therefore, any other kind of allegiance I have to my people or my place, that's basically not only useless, it's actually against the kingdom of God.
00:51:13.820And therefore, for me to advocate for earthly things, they view it as worldly, fleshly, pursuing power, they love to talk about the ring and Lord of the Rings and how that's bad.
00:51:23.660And so they don't have a concept of like what it means to actually be a human.
00:51:28.120And this stems from poor theological anthropology, where it's like, of course, when we're Christians, we have a citizenship in heaven.
00:51:34.820And also, you still have a body and you still have actions to do here.
00:51:39.400You should have children, have families, take them to church.
00:51:45.580This is what we pray for in Lord's Prayer, that he would give us our daily bread.
00:51:48.180And we pray for his kingdom to come and his will be done on earth as it is in heaven, that earth would be kind of a magnifier of what heaven will be.
00:51:57.400And so we should take an interest in this, because when Christ commanded us to go and make disciples of all nations, he has all the authority in heaven and on earth.
00:52:06.340And so it's not wrong to advocate for political power, to advocate for, I mean, people are going to accuse, if you do this, people are going to accuse you of kind of imposing your way of life on them or imposing your theology.
00:52:17.720I'm like, I don't, these are stupid arguments to me.
00:53:34.980You have no children, all that kind of stuff.
00:53:37.360I mean, at the end of the day, this kind of stuff is very communistic.
00:53:39.620It's very egalitarian where they really like if you if you boil down a lot of these people's theology, it's very like I am not more loyal to my wife than anyone else.
00:53:50.500I'm not more loyal to my children than anyone else.
00:53:54.060And unfortunately, a lot of Christians have adopted that mentality from a lot of writers and thinkers like Russell Moore, who have propagated this stupid, stupid idea about how we're exiles and we live in Babylon and and all this kind of stuff.
00:54:07.980And they haven't really gotten into the sources and this gets into pulpits and this gets into the evangelical immigration table.
00:54:14.820I could keep going, but it's just so sad that Christians oftentimes are biblically illiterate because the pastors are biblically illiterate because the elites and evangelicalism have been propagating wokeness and communistic thinking to the seminaries and to Christian leaders.
00:54:29.000Well, Chase, if people want to know more about what's going on or how they can lend their support, where should we send them?
00:55:48.080What's interesting, Oren, is that a lot of people in business now who aren't Christians are speaking up about the policies that they're implementing in Denver and how they're just allowing homelessness to run rampant.
00:55:58.940This is where, of course, the Venezuelan gang was, Aurora.
00:56:02.000And so, yeah, Johnson has absolutely ruined the city.
00:56:04.200Everyone I talk to, they don't want to go to Denver.
00:56:43.260Like you, if you were waiting for your cultural moment, if you were waiting for the space where you had backup from the White House, you had the possibility of culture of victory.
00:56:52.480You have the momentum when it comes to possible legislative.
00:56:59.140Now is the time, if it's a organization that can stand up for children, then it should be standing up for children.
00:57:06.200If it can't be standing up for children, then it needs to be replaced by something that can.
00:57:10.200So make sure that you're taking out Chase's organization and that you are looking for opportunities to start something or plug into something like that in your home state.
00:57:18.720Because these things will come for your home state as well, and you need to be prepared.
00:57:23.740All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
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