The Auron MacIntyre Show - Christians Fight Trans Tyranny in Colorado ｜ Guest： Chase Davis ｜ 4⧸21⧸25

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00:01:46.440 All right, guys.

00:01:47.540 So I've heard that the woke has been put away.

00:01:50.260 It's over.

00:01:50.840 We don't have to worry about this anymore.

00:01:52.840 Everyone's going to walk away.

00:01:54.540 We're done with the trans stuff. 1.00

00:01:56.160 It was so unpopular.

00:01:57.420 And clearly the Democrats are just going to give up and they're going to do something else because of how.

00:02:02.940 Oh, wait, that's not what happened at all.

00:02:04.940 Actually, they continue to push for this stuff.

00:02:07.260 And one of the wildest places this is happening is Colorado, where they have state legislators that are signing up people for all kinds of crazy legislation,

00:02:16.960 restricting the rights of parents, restricting the rights of businesses to use just basic pronouns, basic names,

00:02:23.400 even banning normal uniforms for people so that ultimately you can't assign someone their gender uniform.

00:02:30.980 There's a lot of people trying to fight back against this.

00:02:34.080 Chase Davis is one of them.

00:02:35.360 He's a pastor in Colorado.

00:02:36.660 He's also got his own podcast, The Full Proof Theology Podcast.

00:02:41.260 Chase, thanks for joining, man.

00:02:42.780 Hey, glad to be here.

00:02:43.440 Thank you so much for having me, Orrin.

00:02:45.120 Of course.

00:02:45.660 We're going to get into the meat of the issue here in a second.

00:02:48.800 But before we do, you had a protest here recently.

00:02:52.660 You guys had a demonstration, a rally to get together, a number of pastors and Christians to let people know what was going on.

00:02:59.420 What was that like?

00:03:00.340 What was the response?

00:03:01.940 Oh, it was a great time.

00:03:02.920 We had so many people show up, about 300 people with a couple days' notice.

00:03:06.960 And I like the number 300, not because of the movie 300 necessarily, but because of Gideon's 300.

00:03:12.160 But it was a great time.

00:03:13.140 We had lots of pastors show up, like you said.

00:03:14.740 We had about five pastors speak, three state representatives, all of them Republican, spoke out against this bill and many others that are coming down the pike.

00:03:22.740 And, you know, it's funny.

00:03:24.560 I've seen some pastors get involved in this way, hosting what we called it kind of a prayer walk.

00:03:29.840 I wondered if we should rebrand it as a prayer march.

00:03:32.420 But we circled the Capitol praying.

00:03:35.080 You know, there were signs, that kind of stuff.

00:03:36.600 Different organizations were part of it.

00:03:38.240 And we just gave several speeches.

00:03:40.360 But it turns out you can just do stuff.

00:03:41.920 You can just get a permit and go call on the state to repent of their sins and their wickedness.

00:03:47.880 And it's very encouraging to Christians and also God-fearing Americans who may not even attend church yet.

00:03:54.440 Just people who think this is wacky, not just wacky, but evil legislation that is being passed.

00:04:00.540 And so there's a lot of people that have been very encouraged by it.

00:04:03.360 And we're seeing a lot of good movement.

00:04:04.740 You know, we tried to, our organization, Fight 1312,

00:04:08.160 We're kind of a loose coalition of pastors across various denominations.

00:04:12.860 Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, CREC, EV-free, non-denominational.

00:04:18.360 And we all just said, hey, this is unrighteous.

00:04:20.420 This is really bad for people.

00:04:21.800 This does not honor God.

00:04:23.560 And we think we should encourage people to follow God and follow his ways in all of life.

00:04:27.920 And it turns out there's a lot of people that are actually in agreement with us,

00:04:30.880 even if they're not Christians just yet.

00:04:32.540 And so we were really encouraged.

00:04:34.620 I mean, it was a great time.

00:04:35.620 I've never spoken at a political rally, so it was a bit strange experience for me.

00:04:40.240 But our guys did great.

00:04:41.440 Most of them are great pastors, great communicators.

00:04:44.220 All of them are.

00:04:45.180 And they gave great speeches.

00:04:46.740 You can go find that on my Twitter for anybody who wants to see my speech there.

00:04:50.180 But it was a wonderful time.

00:04:51.240 Wonderful time of encouragement.

00:04:52.560 And that was on last Thursday leading into Easter weekend.

00:04:56.140 All right.

00:04:56.340 Very importantly, did you circle the Capitol seven times?

00:04:59.820 Were any trumpets blown?

00:05:00.840 Were any jugs smashed?

00:05:05.800 So what happened was, I think I could confidently say the Capitol was at least encircled seven times.

00:05:12.480 There was a shofar present.

00:05:14.240 I've never been in the presence of a shofar. 1.00

00:05:15.960 This is very common in some church circles, not the ones I'm in necessarily.

00:05:20.320 But, you know, a shofar is like that trumpet kind of horn.

00:05:23.580 And so that was blown after every speech.

00:05:25.740 So it was a good time.

00:05:26.420 I don't know that any jugs were smashed.

00:05:28.620 We did crush a bunch of water bottles because it was like 75 degrees.

00:05:32.820 I got sunburned.

00:05:34.240 By the next day, it was snowing in Colorado.

00:05:36.340 So that's just how it is out here.

00:05:37.500 But it was a great time.

00:05:39.220 All right, guys.

00:05:40.060 We will get into the details more of what is going into Colorado or what is going on in Colorado.

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00:06:41.820 All right, Chase.

00:06:43.020 So the basics for people who have been paying attention, they're not aware of the legislation in Colorado.

00:06:50.100 What is this bill?

00:06:51.840 Where does it come from?

00:06:53.500 What is it demanding?

00:06:55.240 Well, the bill comes from the pits of hell as far as I'm concerned, but as you rightly introduced the show, what's happening in states like Colorado, where the Democrats have a majority in both the House and legislature and in the governor's office, is they're radically trying to transform and hedge against any kind of federal incursion.

00:07:15.860 So we saw this last year where there was a big fight in the state about two things, one, school choice, and two, abortion.

00:07:22.980 And for the left, they wanted to make abortion, basically making a constitutional amendment to adopt abortion into the Constitution.

00:07:29.900 Of course, our church and many other Christians across the state were trying to petition the government and solicit signatures to get another bill that would abolish abortion.

00:07:39.020 I don't believe we reached the threshold mark for those signatures, but this is kind of what you're seeing.

00:07:43.820 It's a pattern now.

00:07:44.460 I think Washington is doing something similar.

00:07:46.380 This bill, particularly House Bill 25, 13, 12, euphemistically called transgender rights, does a number of things that are incredibly wicked. 0.99

00:07:56.040 One, of course, referring to deadnaming and misgendering, and that goes for any places of public accommodation.

00:08:02.860 So if you're a business owner or you have any public place and you deadname or misgender, as it's called, you could be brought before the Civil Rights Commission.

00:08:11.600 They're essentially trying to Jack Phillips the entire state.

00:08:14.440 Anyone who disagrees with the transgender ideology, they're going to bring the Civil Rights Commission, which is exactly what Jack was put through for, gosh, 10 years.

00:08:22.460 Another thing, like you mentioned, was dress code violations.

00:08:26.100 Now, no longer can schools have dress codes because that would reinforce gender norms. 1.00

00:08:32.360 The most kind of devious part of the bill talks about parental rights.

00:08:36.780 And, of course, you know, my heart is for God-fearing people and Christians to understand when the left puts this stuff in there.

00:08:44.160 They're going to try to nuance it.

00:08:45.440 They're going to try to caveat it.

00:08:47.240 And so I'll say what it is and kind of show their hand.

00:08:50.340 What they do is, like, basically, if a parent does not affirm a child's chosen gender, then that authorizes a judge or the magistrate to come and take that child out of that parent's custody.

00:09:05.200 So it's a violation of parental norms.

00:09:07.120 Now, they say it's very selective.

00:09:09.800 They say it could happen.

00:09:11.660 Okay, so they say it's in, like, a divorce dispute and it's held by the judge and the judge has to decide who gets custody.

00:09:18.560 Obviously, the judge could consider this.

00:09:20.740 But we all know that this is how the left plays their games to get power.

00:09:24.340 It's essentially state kidnapping from parents who don't go along with transgender ideology. 0.56

00:09:29.580 Those are the most, that's, like, the most radical part of the bill.

00:09:33.000 This isn't unheard of in the United States, but it's definitely one of the most, like, extreme left bills put forward.

00:09:40.880 And so that's what's kind of going on the bill.

00:09:42.160 There's several others, one related to taxpayer-funded abortions, but the whole kind of Democrat party in Colorado is just going lockstep with this stuff.

00:09:51.300 It passed through the House along party lines, Democrats seven, Republicans four.

00:09:56.640 And so right now it's kind of held up in limbo waiting for the House to take it up.

00:09:59.480 Chase, are you telling me that someone is going to use the Civil Rights Act, like, civil rights law is going to get used in order to restrict Christian freedom and destroy the truth and ultimately drive a wedge in civilization between parents and children?

00:10:15.700 That's so surprising.

00:10:17.400 You know, who could have seen this coming?

00:10:19.120 Who could have predicted such an outcome?

00:10:21.040 No one.

00:10:21.620 Yes, it's very bizarre.

00:10:23.880 I guess everyone who points out these problems is probably just a racist, right?

00:10:27.700 Like, they're all just looking for Jim Crow. 0.98

00:10:29.760 There's no real concern that one might have that this overarching second constitution could ultimately be used in a way that is not in no way the original understanding and could eventually destroy everything that we know and love about the country.

00:10:44.720 That said, we have a scenario here, obviously, where most people saw the Trump victory.

00:10:54.320 They saw the mandate that came from Trump and the fact that won the Congress, you know, won both House and the Senate.

00:11:02.240 Theoretically, we have a conservative Supreme Court, though they literally just stabbed all the conservatives in the back again and said that we can't deport illegal immigrants without giving them, you know, 19 different appeals.

00:11:15.220 But, you know, we'll get we'll get to that soon.

00:11:17.640 Don't worry.

00:11:18.060 We'll have that episode.

00:11:19.740 Ultimately, most people saw that victory and they just kind of said, oh, well, it's all over.

00:11:25.220 The wokeness is just over, right? 0.97

00:11:26.720 Like it lost it lost the ballot box, the cultural momentum must be dead for a victory of that size.

00:11:32.360 So we don't have to worry about this anymore.

00:11:34.940 But it sounds like what you're saying, and this is what I've seen, not just in Colorado, but in other states, is that what we're getting is a retrenchment.

00:11:41.820 Like ultimately, the left is still very, very invested in this ideology, especially, obviously, the true believers, the vanguard, the diehards.

00:11:51.580 They still treat this as a religion.

00:11:54.740 And so their plan is, well, ironically, to use states' rights to actually deploy these schemes, deploy this stuff before the federal government can get involved, before they can put up any barriers or any standards or any restrictions.

00:12:07.620 And they're hoping to build, you know, kind of build this so deep into the infrastructure of the law that ultimately, if the Trump administration or someone else tries to come along and say, no, we're not doing this anymore, this is over, that it's already dug deep into their legal system.

00:12:23.880 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:12:24.720 I mean, they're very entrenched and they know how to use power, which is something conservatives should ponder.

00:12:31.080 But you're absolutely right.

00:12:32.060 I mean, who could have seen this coming?

00:12:33.180 I mean, we've had great books written on how the Civil Rights Act not only was misunderstood at the time, but it's become corrupt over time.

00:12:42.200 And this is what they're going to continue to try to trot out.

00:12:44.920 In fact, when Republican legislators asked in the House in Colorado, they asked, hey, did you stakehold this with anyone else that would be opposed to transgender ideology?

00:12:54.920 They compared anyone that disagreed with this kind of stuff to the KKK.

00:13:00.760 So they said, why would we talk during the era of civil rights?

00:13:03.600 Why would we talk to the KKK about civil rights?

00:13:06.380 And so this is how they view their opponents.

00:13:08.420 And unfortunately, many conservatives, many God fears, many Christians are simply just like too willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

00:13:15.320 They think they are, quote unquote, good faith kind of people who really want the best for people.

00:13:20.220 It's like, no, these are these are wicked laws written by wicked people studying the doctrines of demons who are trying to push this wickedness in our state.

00:13:28.720 And so this is exactly what you're saying.

00:13:31.200 They're doubling down on this.

00:13:32.220 I think it's insane.

00:13:33.140 I mean, like most people think this is insane.

00:13:35.480 We saw this nationally and kind of the rejection of woke.

00:13:39.040 But these people are diehard true believers and they are going to, I guess, go down with the ship.

00:13:43.800 I'm not sure, but this is how they're going to operate.

00:13:46.760 And so they're very clever.

00:13:49.460 They work in the dark.

00:13:50.440 They didn't even announce this bill until March 28th, Friday, March 28th, for a hearing the next Tuesday.

00:13:56.400 Thankfully, lots of people rallied.

00:13:57.820 That's when it first came to my attention.

00:13:59.660 I sent out a tweet about it, kind of a call to action.

00:14:03.120 And then we immediately spun up kind of a pastor's cohort.

00:14:05.960 One of the unique things, Orin, about this kind of pastor's thing, the Fight 1312 kind of coalition, is not only how it spans the nominations, but also it's mainly like medium to smaller sized churches.

00:14:16.820 And it was kind of a call to action for the larger churches.

00:14:19.160 It was kind of a grassroots kind of populist sentiment where it's like, look, we've got these major Christian organizations, Navigators, Young Life, Compassion International,

00:14:27.940 Focus on the Family.

00:14:29.080 We've got those big evangelical organizations in Colorado.

00:14:32.120 And then we've also got mega churches in Colorado, like all over the United States.

00:14:36.540 And so we're trying to encourage them to speak boldly.

00:14:38.720 And as soon as they speak boldly, like one guy, Flatirons Church, which is one of the biggest churches in our state, it's in Boulder County.

00:14:45.320 And he spoke out this morning.

00:14:46.680 And our coalition is happy to champion him speaking out as well.

00:14:50.160 And so we need these people with larger platforms than us, with larger influence than us, to speak out and equip their people, disciple their people in their church, to know the times and know the truth of God's word and how these legislators are really, really conniving and pushing wickedness in our state.

00:15:05.880 Your camera is lagging a little bit, but luckily your audio is good.

00:15:10.980 So we'll keep going there.

00:15:11.900 Don't mess with anything.

00:15:12.780 OK, sorry about that.

00:15:13.880 Oh, no, no problem.

00:15:14.720 Like I said, the audio is coming through crystal clear and that's what matters.

00:15:17.520 So ultimately, we have a scenario.

00:15:20.600 I think most people look at a place like Colorado and it's not obviously a red state.

00:15:25.900 I don't think anyone's confused about that, but they probably don't expect that level of radicalism, that initiative to kind of push the agenda that far in a place like Colorado.

00:15:37.180 How much of this is proximity to California?

00:15:39.900 Is this the native feel of Colorado?

00:15:42.920 Is this the temperature of what you would expect in Colorado or is this bled over from being a refugee site from the People's Republic of California? 0.55

00:15:53.860 Why do you think that this is being pushed now?

00:15:57.080 Yeah, so it's a lot of people who have moved into Colorado.

00:16:01.520 Most of these people, these legislators have come from somewhere else.

00:16:04.340 They are pushing this ideology.

00:16:05.720 And like you said, there was a lot of people from California that left and moved here, could find more affordable housing.

00:16:11.540 And now housing prices in Colorado are out of control.

00:16:14.100 In Boulder, they kind of always have been out of control where I passed her.

00:16:16.520 It's always been a very expensive market, but you're seeing this statewide.

00:16:20.680 And so, yeah, a lot of our transplants, you look at kind of the resume and where these people come from that are pushing this stuff.

00:16:27.040 It's out of staters.

00:16:28.400 And Denver kind of became a hotbed for a lot of this stuff.

00:16:31.640 Because what happened when with the legalization of marijuana in Colorado, it wasn't just the legalization of marijuana.

00:16:38.320 It was the type of people that were drawn to that kind of culture and kind of a lifestyle of getting high and all the values that come along with that.

00:16:47.420 And it wasn't just a libertarian ethos, which is what Colorado used to be.

00:16:50.740 Colorado used to be very libertarian, kind of the West.

00:16:54.000 And, you know, that's very common in the Western United States.

00:16:56.160 It's just leave me alone.

00:16:57.560 You live your life.

00:16:58.480 I don't want to impose on you, all that kind of stuff.

00:17:00.420 And that's never where it ends up.

00:17:02.080 It always ends up in kind of woke social dogma being permitted and then eventually enforced upon other people.

00:17:08.820 And so, yeah, there are a lot of Californians.

00:17:12.360 But it's a lot of people who are just diehard true believers, a lot of like social activists, a lot of people who are involved in kind of government programs, all that kind of stuff are pushing this stuff.

00:17:24.200 And it's very, like I said, it's heinous.

00:17:26.840 It's wicked.

00:17:27.560 You know, it's hard to believe that a state like Colorado, which 30 years ago, 30 years ago was known as kind of red, you know, especially for the evangelical landscape.

00:17:36.020 It was kind of a, you might call it a hotbed of Christian.

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00:18:00.300 But a lot of those individuals have kind of lost their appetite, I guess, for the fight.

00:18:04.640 And so now they're not really speaking up as much.

00:18:07.900 They're not getting involved as much, which is really sad to see because we need them in the fight.

00:18:12.520 And Colorado is actually a very wittable state in terms of like if the Christians could get engaged and knew what was going on. 1.00

00:18:18.480 And I spoke at Colorado Christian recently and they, you know, I heard sentiments from some of an older generation who were like, we're just so busy with grandkids and traveling.

00:18:29.200 We didn't even know this stuff was happening.

00:18:30.780 And so we need to bring more awareness.

00:18:33.560 That's why I'm thankful for you having me on the show is because we need to bring more awareness to more people for more Christians to get involved.

00:18:40.260 A lot of pastors don't want to speak up because they're either scared of, you know, their 501c3 status or something like that, or they're scared of offending kind of the random blue haired feminist that comes to their church.

00:18:50.180 And it's really just not hard.

00:18:51.640 Um, this is a huge opportunity for God to work here and we're seeing a lot of good progress and fruit come from it.

00:18:57.020 One of the guys who, uh, kind of joined our coalition early on, uh, pastor Jeff down at brave church in Denver.

00:19:03.260 Uh, he's a pastor of mega church.

00:19:04.680 He was one of the only mega church pastors that kind of signed on our statement.

00:19:07.740 It was, he spoke at the Capitol last Thursday.

00:19:09.920 And so I just want to commend him and his courage, uh, because it does take guts when you run a big ship like that.

00:19:14.880 Uh, you know, there's a lot of things you got to consider, but he took great stands during kind of lockdowns and masks and all that.

00:19:21.860 And so he's been really good and courageous all throughout.

00:19:24.440 So I'm really thankful for pastor Jeff.

00:19:27.100 Uh, yeah, that, that, uh, partly answers my next question, but I wanted to get the whole answer.

00:19:31.460 Uh, what do you feel is the temperature of Colorado in general?

00:19:36.440 Do you think it was just an ignorance of people not knowing what was going on here?

00:19:40.740 Do you think the majority of people in Colorado ultimately support this?

00:19:44.520 Is this something that got snuck in by radicals in a moment, or is this something that you think has a certain level of popular momentum among, uh, voters in Colorado?

00:20:01.860 I lost you there.

00:20:03.080 It looks like our connection is a little dicey.

00:20:11.800 All right, guys.

00:20:12.560 Well, while I wait for chase to hopefully return there, uh, like I said, this is something that we are seeing over and over again, uh, that the, the wider understanding as to whether or not the woke will be put away, whether or not we will step away from the progressive radicalization.

00:20:30.820 I think a lot of people, you know, initially with the, with the victory of Trump, uh, assume that that was going to be automatic, that this, you know, you'd have some lagging pieces here and there.

00:20:41.100 You'd have some holdouts.

00:20:42.480 Of course, some of the crazies are still going to be screaming on a university campus somewhere, but in general, we were going to see a stepping away from the, especially this stuff.

00:20:51.820 Right.

00:20:52.120 There's just, there's not a lot of people who ultimately you would think, uh, uh, prioritize, uh, the transing of children, the pushing of the, uh, the trans agenda, making sure that you can't, uh, Oh, I think we might have chase back here. 0.90

00:21:09.720 Sorry about that.

00:21:10.560 There you go.

00:21:11.060 My internet decided to drop out.

00:21:12.480 Yeah, no, it seems like you're having an exciting time.

00:21:15.200 So before we lost you there, my question to you was, uh, a lot of people, uh, in California or rather in Colorado, uh, do they ultimately, do you think support this?

00:21:26.760 Was this something that was kind of snuck in at the last minute?

00:21:29.500 Is it something that's very unpopular, but the, just the radicals got on the agenda or do you think there is actually like a popular, uh, voter mandate for passing this type of legislation in Colorado?

00:21:41.200 No, I don't think the voters of Colorado support this.

00:21:44.440 I think it's widely unpopular, even though it's a blue state and went blue against Trump.

00:21:49.340 I, you know, we're hearing from organizations like gays against groomers. 0.86

00:21:52.980 Uh, we're seeing radical feminists, TERFs come out against it. 1.00

00:21:56.740 We're seeing, uh, people who are, you know, special needs and kind of that community come out against it who aren't Christians necessarily.

00:22:03.740 So like, this is wildly unpopular.

00:22:06.440 Um, but unfortunately for a lot of conservatives, they're so kind of deeply in that mind of like,

00:22:11.200 live and let live and they don't want to bother anybody that, that they have a hard time knowing what action to take.

00:22:16.900 Um, we're seeing different state representatives get involved, Jarvis Caldwell, um, these kinds of people.

00:22:22.780 And so it's good that people are getting more involved and kind of waking up.

00:22:26.240 But I think one thing that we need to pay attention to Colorado is, which is true.

00:22:30.380 I think in other States like Texas, even though it may be red would be that, look, a lot of people are kind of like late to the game.

00:22:36.520 And I'll confess, like this bill came out of nowhere for me, but there's been groups in Colorado, like Colorado parent advocacy network and others that have been dealing with this for six years.

00:22:45.360 They've been highlighting this and it's kind of like that frog in the, in the boiling water.

00:22:49.020 They've, they've been introducing these bills over the last six years as the, as the Democrats have had power and on their face, you may think, oh, well, it's not that bad.

00:22:56.960 It's not that bad until, until they come out with a bit like this and you're like, oh no.

00:23:00.160 And then you look at what led up to this and they've been doing this the whole time.

00:23:03.500 So this ideology, it's not, it is popular in like, you know, kind of some secular culture, like Denver, Boulder, other places, but it's wildly unpopular across the state, including most people who wouldn't even call themselves Christian.

00:23:17.380 This is insane. 0.90

00:23:19.740 We're hoping it just gets killed in the Senate. 1.00

00:23:21.720 We're not sure.

00:23:22.240 In fact, one of the biggest LGBTQ organizations in Colorado just pulled their support for it last Thursday.

00:23:27.440 I like to think it's because we prayed and we spoke, but who knows what was going on behind the scenes, but they just pulled their support for the bill.

00:23:34.460 What does it say?

00:23:35.600 Do you think that it's, that it's, you know, uh, uh, turfs, you know, it's feminine, it's feminine, radical feminists who oppose the, the changing of the definition of women that seem to get more politically active and get more political traction than Christians. 0.99

00:23:53.500 I mean, don't get me wrong, obviously because they're feminists and because they have the cultural momentum and status that comes with being left adjacent, their concerns get heard more by, I think, fascial outlets. 1.00

00:24:05.000 They're, they're given the time of day.

00:24:06.320 And so unfortunately there's a tactical advantage they have there, but I think it really says something that, you know, that, that they are so critical to the opposite of opposition to something like this.

00:24:17.680 When Christians seem more hesitant and unwilling to discuss that.

00:24:21.580 I mean, it doesn't that say that the feminists are more religiously devoted to their understanding of feminism than many Christians are to their religious understanding of God's order.

00:24:34.080 I think so.

00:24:35.180 And I think many Christians have just been so poorly discipled and they haven't been given God's word, uh, and how it's been applied throughout history.

00:24:42.580 They haven't really been educated on what it looks like for Christians to get politically engaged and they bought, you know, it's wild. 0.99

00:24:48.440 I moved to Colorado in 2009.

00:24:50.180 There were co coexist stickers everywhere.

00:24:52.620 And what's funny to me is the Christians, you know, it used to be kind of a joke coexist. 1.00

00:24:57.520 Uh, but I think they bought it.

00:24:59.120 Like they bought the lie.

00:25:00.240 They said, okay, cool.

00:25:01.360 We will become kind of a ghettoized community.

00:25:04.400 They have to advocate for our own special interest.

00:25:07.280 And, you know, we never want to, we never want to get rid of the liberal order.

00:25:10.680 We just want to coexist with you all as long as we can have a seat at the table.

00:25:14.340 And they accepted that deal.

00:25:15.640 And that's a deal with the devil for Christians. 0.88

00:25:17.120 That's, that's not how it's going to work in God's world for Christians. 1.00

00:25:20.360 And I think a lot of pastors and a lot of Christian leaders, they just haven't equipped their people on what it looks like to be politically engaged.

00:25:26.560 We're seeing a lot of people, my age, millennial and younger who are either in ministry or Christians.

00:25:30.660 And they're kind of going, Hey, like, what have we been doing for the last 20 years?

00:25:33.840 Like, why haven't we been getting equipped on this?

00:25:35.660 I think a lot of Christians, they have kind of this natural instinct to want to not be too like offensive or mean.

00:25:43.860 They want to be nice people.

00:25:45.940 And they kind of, they, they wanted to throw off kind of the moral majority type attitude that kind of felt a little more belligerent.

00:25:52.700 And so they adopted the kind of coexist kind of the liberal order idea, not to mention for Christians, we care a lot about seeing people saved.

00:26:00.980 We, we want to see people come to know the living God.

00:26:03.720 And it was, we just celebrated Easter yesterday.

00:26:05.840 It was a great day, but a lot of Christians, because they want to see people come to know Jesus as Lord and understand him as Lord and worship him rightly.

00:26:15.660 A lot of times their strategy for, for seeing that come, come to bear in other people's lives is to never upset them.

00:26:23.080 It's kind of what's called relational evangelism, where you just kind of, you don't disagree with somebody who voted differently than you or has, you know, has the rainbow flag up front.

00:26:32.100 You never want to offend them because maybe one day, you know, they may want to hear about Jesus and you just want to show you're a nice person.

00:26:38.040 And that'll show them that you're not like those mean Christians they've heard of somewhere else. 0.50

00:26:42.420 And that kind of attitude is really kind of a loser attitude where you're really not, you're not entering public discourse. 0.94

00:26:49.180 You're not really engaging in ideas.

00:26:51.100 I'm not saying you need to go out and be unnecessarily offensive or provocative necessarily, but, you know, you can just disagree with people.

00:26:59.000 You can say, Hey, I think that's bad for people.

00:27:01.000 They obviously think your religion is bad for people too.

00:27:03.540 And so I think that it's just equipping people in how they relate to their neighbors, love their neighbors.

00:27:08.840 And that's the thing a lot of Christians have been duped by is they think loving their neighbors means being a nice person, kind of being in a doormat, kind of laying down and just doing whatever your neighbors want.

00:27:18.520 It's like, that's not good.

00:27:19.880 That's actually really bad.

00:27:21.220 When Jesus says to love our neighbor, we're supposed to go back to the law, God's law, particularly summarizing the Ten Commandments, and look at what does it mean to love our neighbor?

00:27:29.760 Well, there's no stealing in there.

00:27:31.880 And so it would be wrong for the state to kidnap and steal children.

00:27:34.840 So we can clearly say that.

00:27:37.200 Right. 0.97

00:27:37.360 One way to love my neighbor is to make sure the state can't come to their house and steal their child because they decided not to chop off their genitals. 0.99

00:27:43.820 That sounds like a pretty important aspect to loving my neighbor. 0.62

00:27:47.520 I know.

00:27:48.700 It's wild, isn't it?

00:27:49.860 But, you know, this is just so much libertarian kind of live and let live, coexist, kind of a saturation, you might say, of evangelicalism.

00:27:58.440 And Colorado is not abnormal.

00:28:00.720 This is common in the United States and Western Christianity.

00:28:03.540 And I think that kind of attitude, and we talked about it on a previous episode, that kind of attitude is a losing strategy.

00:28:09.980 It's just basically demitude you're accepting, like Christians in Egypt or other places, where you're just kind of accepting that we lose down here. 0.98

00:28:17.860 You know, we can't get involved politically.

00:28:19.820 And there's tons of ways to get involved politically.

00:28:22.980 I'll bring up an example.

00:28:25.180 And maybe you can help me think about this on air live.

00:28:27.760 But there were some organizations that were kind of latecomers to this, and we know all the help we can get.

00:28:32.880 So I'm not going to try to speak too negatively of their kind of jumping on kind of against this wickedness.

00:28:37.920 I want anyone who is opposed to this wickedness to speak out against it.

00:28:40.520 But one organization that's been a pretty subversive organization in the Southern Baptist Convention is the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, the ERLC.

00:28:48.100 And they came out, and they released kind of a statement saying they're opposed to this.

00:28:52.280 And their two recommendations were basically pray and write into your legislator.

00:28:56.360 And they made it pretty difficult to write into your legislature.

00:28:59.040 But again, thank God they said something.

00:29:01.600 You know, that's good that a national organization.

00:29:03.760 But there's not a lot of equipping for pastors.

00:29:05.880 Like, pastors, if you want to engage on this, but you're scared of losing your 501c3 status, here's how you can talk about it prudently.

00:29:11.400 Here's three options that you can plug into your sermon text tomorrow to speak on this issue.

00:29:15.580 Hey, did you want to mobilize other Christians to rally at the Capitol?

00:29:19.620 You could do this.

00:29:20.220 Hey, do you want a representative from the ERLC?

00:29:22.520 Hey, do you want to speak to a lawyer?

00:29:24.200 So you don't have to be the bad guy, pastor.

00:29:25.880 You could interview a lawyer at your church from the ADF or something.

00:29:29.780 So there's lots of options that we can equip Christians on to think politically.

00:29:33.480 But unfortunately, many evangelicals are just kind of stuck in kind of this liberal order coexist world.

00:29:38.140 Yeah, there's a lot there because this is the main thing I wanted to hit on this.

00:29:44.660 So in any other situation, the left has an entire network of activists, an entire network of NGOs that is primed and ready to go the minute that legislation that they hate appears in a place like Colorado or Florida or something like that.

00:30:05.060 Right. Like they immediately start air dropping people into the state to start canvassing, organizing, making sure that they coordinate legal maneuvers, PR, all of this stuff.

00:30:19.140 There are so many different organizations that do this for the left on a consistent basis, and they get heavily, heavily funded.

00:30:27.420 People make entire livings doing nothing but running around on the left and smacking down legislation like this that they hate from the other side.

00:30:35.560 Right. And you have, obviously, organizations like the ADL who professionally go around and threaten to sue anyone who might restrict or speak out against the Jewish religion or ethnos or anything else.

00:30:52.360 So there are religions in the United States that have organizations well-funded and extremely powerful who throw their weight around and immediately kill legislation like this in the crib.

00:31:04.060 Right. If you have legislation that is stealing Christian children from Christian parents, there should be an organization that immediately deploys itself to go stop them.

00:31:16.580 That is Christian persecution. This should be as obvious as possible to anyone else. 0.95

00:31:22.400 Obviously, you guys are starting something, and that's awesome. Right. But the fact that you had to start it is just insane to me that the fact that the left has this massive infrastructure and network

00:31:33.200 and everything else, that they would not hesitate to drop the hammer on any aspect of something that targeted certain groups, certain religions, would have a deleterious effect.

00:31:43.540 Like, the fact that that is just a rapid deployment thing that the left is ready to do at any moment, and the right doesn't even, they're just kind of like, well, I don't know.

00:31:51.680 Have you thought about writing a letter? Have you a strongly worded letter?

00:31:56.040 Like, that's actually the response we're getting from major Christian organizations. It just seems insane to me.

00:32:02.060 It is insane. And, you know, what's frustrating about things like the letters, one, they obviously didn't, like, give you a template.

00:32:08.520 Heritage says great on this. Heritage, like, if you're looking for the link, I can send it to you, Warren.

00:32:12.860 But, like, we put it on our website, 51312.com, where it's like you can immediately, they've got a template, all the stuff ready to go.

00:32:19.020 So you can do, we're trying to do that every day to just really get those letters in. That's not wrong.

00:32:23.720 But like you said, it was kind of a joke that we had a group chat of pastors who were just kind of, you know, encouraging one another, praying for one another.

00:32:31.500 Hey, what are you going to do for this? And also sharing articles and trying to equip each other to think better because we're not getting a lot of that from our, like, Big Eva overlords.

00:32:40.080 We've kind of left that behind. And so the fact that one of our pastors had to turn his GoDaddy site, and for, like, a week, the site was, like, still 51312 or pastorkrisgoble.godaddy.com.

00:32:52.340 We had to convince him to go buy 51312.com because so it didn't look so bad.

00:32:58.160 But, like, what a joke that, like, Christians aren't that mobilized and unified around defending Christian families, much less we're American citizens, much less defending the rights of our neighbors. 0.87

00:33:10.080 We claim to love our neighbors. And we should be, of all people, concerned about this legislation because, yes, against Christians, form the families, the shield wall, the vanguard, whatever you want to call it, for Christians. 0.99

00:33:21.360 But don't just settle for that. We actually want good for our neighbors. And it's not good for your neighbor's kid to go trans. It's not good for your neighbor to be trans. 1.00

00:33:28.040 Like, that's common Christian basic doctrine. And the fact that we have such a lack of mobilization, I really don't understand.

00:33:36.980 So maybe you understand what happened being in politics, but, like, I don't understand what happened because Focus on the Family used to be really involved, like, you know, getting people to rallies, speaking out against stuff.

00:33:47.240 I mean, I think it was 1992, Colorado had an amendment on the ballot to define marriage between a man and a woman.

00:33:52.520 And from my understanding, what happened was a lot of the churches, they were happy about that, but then the left treated them so poorly, they were like, maybe we, this is the big thing for a lot of evangelicals, we harmed our witness to them.

00:34:05.080 Maybe they misinterpreted what we wanted. We actually do love them in a God-like love, but we have to tone down our rhetoric in order to appease them.

00:34:14.480 And my message continues to be to Christians, you cannot appease the left. The left are people that hate God. They hate God, and they don't want good for you.

00:34:24.840 And going back to kind of the letters and the suggestions, what I heard in the testimony, I listened to about five hours of the 10-hour testimony in the House, and I saw the TERF speaking very clearly about how this is bad, how it's wicked, how it's evil.

00:34:37.660 But I would hear Christians get up and provide testimony, and they would always give the benefit of the doubt to the legislators. 1.00

00:34:43.980 They would say, oh, we know that you care about people, and I know gay people and trans people in my life, and I don't wish any evil on them, and I don't wish any harm.

00:34:51.940 We're just concerned. We're just concerned that this might be too much.

00:34:55.640 And it was kind of the same tepid response from a lot of big organizations like the URLC, where it's kind of framed in this kind of like, we're just concerned.

00:35:01.900 You know, it's not good. It's not the best to care for people. It's like, no, this is wicked. This is really bad.

00:35:08.680 Like, we need to warn people from the Bible, and that's from the Bible, from nature. 0.99

00:35:12.240 Like, this is bad legislation, and God will judge you when you do this kind of stuff.

00:35:17.280 We know this as Christians. We know this is how God works.

00:35:20.740 God poured out all of His judgment on Jesus for those who are found in Christ on the cross of Christ.

00:35:25.040 And we have life in Him, and we have His righteousness now.

00:35:27.840 But God will deal with evil, and so He should warn people that propagate this stuff.

00:35:33.140 Like, this is wickedness, and judgment will come upon you, and we don't want that for you.

00:35:36.860 That's a loving thing to say to people, and a lot of Christians don't know how to say that well. 0.51

00:35:40.900 Yeah, I was going to say, like, the fact that it isn't focused on the family still based in Colorado.

00:35:46.540 Did they reach out to you? Are they taking any action?

00:35:49.180 Like, that is insane to me. I grew up listening to James Dobson, you know, to and from, you know, school every day.

00:35:57.320 My mom had them on in the car every time, and it's just wild to me that, yeah, something that used to be a powerful cultural force.

00:36:05.760 I mean, Focus on the Family had a booth in London at the ARC conference, but they're not going to take care of business in their own backyard.

00:36:14.060 Like, that is insane.

00:36:15.320 It's insane, and I'm sorry, like, I don't mean to just bag on, focus on the family here, but this is an incredible failure, and honestly, someone needs to bag on these people at this point.

00:36:25.180 Like, that's the purpose of your organization.

00:36:28.620 If you exist for anything, then you have to exist for this. 0.99

00:36:34.460 Why is anyone sending you a single dollar if you can't get off your butt in your home state and keep kids from getting mutilated? 0.99

00:36:43.080 It's just unconscionable. 0.99

00:36:44.560 How can you call yourself a Christian organization if you can't be bothered? 1.00

00:36:49.480 I agree.

00:36:50.420 Yeah, that's why we wrote the letter that we did, because it was, and you can go find the letter, fight1312.com.

00:36:55.360 I mean, we called them all out, because the thing of another organization, Compassion International, and this kind of goes back, and we can talk about the heat map meme if you want,

00:37:03.500 but, like, there's kind of this managerial class and evangelicalism, and there's a bunch of ministries that became global and corporate, and they have an HR department, and Compassion International deals with children all around the world, and in their own backyard.

00:37:20.540 They're not going to lift a finger.

00:37:22.140 I realize it may be off mission for them a little bit, okay, but it seems a little on mission to care about kids and the welfare of kids in their own state.

00:37:31.040 Like, what good is it if you send millions of dollars overseas to go care for children overseas, but you lose the ones in your own nation?

00:37:38.220 And this is a very, very big problem in the church today for a lot of people.

00:37:44.200 They have a greater kind of love for the nations than they do for their own neighbor.

00:37:48.680 They have no problem with missions overseas, spreading the gospel overseas.

00:37:52.720 It's very highly commanded, and I don't either.

00:37:54.820 I think it's great.

00:37:55.960 We need to disciple the nations.

00:37:57.260 Very good.

00:37:58.240 God bless.

00:37:58.900 But if you do that to the detriment of your own, and you do that to the detriment of the people in your own backyard, and this is why Trump was so wildly popular.

00:38:05.360 He actually cares about the people in America.

00:38:08.660 This is why the Trump agenda is so popular with people in America, because he does care about the people in America, whereas most evangelical leaders, they're very obsessed with, like, people over there, you know, but let's not focus on the people right next door.

00:38:21.640 And so, yeah, I don't get it.

00:38:22.460 I mean, the same thing with Young Life and Navigators.

00:38:25.220 These are major Christian organizations.

00:38:26.780 I'm pretty sure Young Life is bigger, but they deal with teens, you know, who are struggling.

00:38:30.300 A lot of teens that are in public schools that are struggling with this stuff.

00:38:33.700 And this is, like, right down the middle for them to knock out of the park and release a good statement and equip the people that lead their organization to get involved in this fight.

00:38:44.040 And so I do want that.

00:38:45.480 I think – I hope people don't hear me becoming bitter or something like that against them, but more just shocked, you know, about how they won't get involved.

00:38:53.600 If they were to get involved, I would be their biggest advocate.

00:38:56.440 This is how I felt.

00:38:57.360 It reminds me of how I felt – I was telling my wife this and a couple of friends in 2020 when we saw kind of cities burning down, when we saw the lockdowns.

00:39:06.000 And I'm like, where are the guys who have – apparently they have all the credentials.

00:39:09.380 They lead institutions.

00:39:10.640 They lead seminaries.

00:39:11.640 They have publications that say Christian on them.

00:39:14.600 Why aren't they dispensing all of their ammo to protect the church?

00:39:18.140 Why aren't they dispensing all of their ammo to give us better thinking on how we should engage in politics?

00:39:23.820 And the guns were just silent.

00:39:25.040 They were just not there.

00:39:26.500 And so this time when this came around, I was like, well, they're not going to show up again.

00:39:29.120 Like, they already proved they're not going to come to the battlefield.

00:39:31.620 So we're just going to say it.

00:39:33.000 We're just going to call it out.

00:39:34.300 And if they come to the table, that's awesome.

00:39:36.500 I'm so happy for them.

00:39:37.740 I want them – I want more of them.

00:39:39.260 We need more of them because so many evangelicals, they just need basic education on this stuff.

00:39:44.200 And that's what we've lost.

00:39:45.240 We've lost basic discipleship, and we've settled for kind of entertaining the masses and trying to reach, you know, the person with the rainbow flag next door, which we do want to reach for the gospel.

00:39:55.180 But you're not going to reach them with the gospel by watering down God's truth itself.

00:40:00.160 Yeah, I mean, I'm not a pastor, you know, but I feel like it's fair, you know, to make a – you know, what should be not a radical or bold statement. 0.95

00:40:10.360 But if your Christian organization can't defend the children in your state, cannot be bothered to stop the mutilation of children in your state, then you have a useless Christian organization. 0.83

00:40:24.860 Like, you know it by its fruits. 0.53

00:40:26.520 And as you pointed out, these things are already hollow after we saw what happened in 2020.

00:40:31.960 And so it becomes incredibly important, and this is a huge problem.

00:40:36.720 And, again, I'm with you.

00:40:38.120 I would prefer to see these organizations turn around.

00:40:40.360 This is not me. 0.52

00:40:41.680 You know, I'm not trying to say, like, oh, these all just need to get burned to the ground.

00:40:45.640 But one of the things that needs to happen here is, like, everyone needs a gut check. 0.85

00:40:49.920 Like, all these people need to go down the floor.

00:40:51.660 For way too long, the right in general, but specifically the Christian right, has just been sending its dollars to random organizations because they exist.

00:41:01.700 Because that's what good Christians do.

00:41:03.820 That's what good conservatives do.

00:41:05.660 They work hard at their job, and then they write a check to some activist organization somewhere, and that check goes.

00:41:12.300 And it does the stuff that, you know, the Democrats do in their spare time.

00:41:16.680 So I'm working.

00:41:17.920 I got a family.

00:41:18.700 This is always what I hear, right?

00:41:19.720 So Christians can't show up to protest. 0.83

00:41:21.740 They got other things to do.

00:41:23.040 They got jobs.

00:41:23.880 That's great.

00:41:24.820 But the left is running your country.

00:41:26.540 That's right.

00:41:27.240 So cool.

00:41:27.640 It's nice that you have.

00:41:28.760 I'm busy.

00:41:29.420 I got a job.

00:41:30.240 Well, the left has your kid.

00:41:32.300 So I'm glad you've got a job.

00:41:34.580 The left has got your children.

00:41:36.720 So maybe it's time to put your children before that.

00:41:40.000 Maybe it's time for a Christian organization who receives dollars from people who expect them to stand up for their actual beliefs and actual principles. 0.96

00:41:49.720 To go out and protect these people.

00:41:52.160 And if the organizations that do not, that exist right now are unwilling to do that, then they are not fit for purpose.

00:41:58.740 And they either need to be radically reformed or they need to be replaced.

00:42:02.180 And if your Christianity, if your understanding of Christianity prevents you from defending children from being mutilated, then I think you have bad Christianity.

00:42:12.080 I think you have Christianity that simply does not follow Christ. 1.00

00:42:15.740 And I'm sorry, but we cannot pull punches on this anymore.

00:42:18.840 Like, there's just no time to mince words on this.

00:42:21.440 Like, this is enough.

00:42:22.840 Okay, if you ever want to change things, if you ever want to dig out of this hole, now is the time.

00:42:28.620 You've got the momentum.

00:42:29.620 You've got some breathing room.

00:42:31.020 Now is not the time to sit back and say, ooh, I want to be careful.

00:42:33.880 I need to win everybody with kindness.

00:42:35.320 No.

00:42:35.740 Now is the time to secure victories, clean house, build real institutions, secure actual political power that allows you to protect Christians and children now.

00:42:45.560 Absolutely agree.

00:42:47.700 And that's why we've been saying this is indicative of kind of the broader evangelical landscape where that kind of drain the swamp mentality.

00:42:56.640 It's time for the swamp to be drained.

00:42:58.420 And if you go to one of these churches or you're part of one of these institutions that refuses to lift a finger now, then you need to abandon ship because they are not going to protect you from this stuff.

00:43:10.880 They're not going to teach you about this stuff.

00:43:12.880 They're not going to lift a finger.

00:43:14.500 The shepherd's job is to guard the sheep.

00:43:17.820 And if the shepherd cannot guard the sheep in this moment, he has abdicated his role completely.

00:43:24.080 And it's funny to me, you know, pure religion, as the Bible teaches, is caring for the orphans and widows.

00:43:30.000 And it's as if somehow we got in our mind that, okay, if that's pure religion, then we should create a bunch of orphans.

00:43:36.040 We should let the state kidnap a bunch of kids and make a bunch of orphans so that we can cure it. 1.00

00:43:40.040 And then the left essentially takes Romans 1 and uses it as their policy handbook.

00:43:45.060 I mean, that's just what they're doing all throughout the state right now as far as the Democrats go.

00:43:49.760 That's the other thing, Warren.

00:43:50.620 That's what I find baffling to me is for a lot of Christian organizations.

00:43:53.980 I saw this from, I believe, the Gospel Coalition, if anybody reads that anymore.

00:43:57.920 But they wrote an article explaining the bill, why it's bad.

00:44:01.660 And I do think it was written by someone from Focus on the Family.

00:44:04.340 So kudos to them for that article at the Gospel Coalition.

00:44:07.160 They refused to name the Democrats.

00:44:08.800 I mean, this is a one-party issue because we have one party in the majority in Colorado running the state, the left.

00:44:14.860 And it's all Democrats.

00:44:16.940 And that's what I think a lot of Christians get confused on, especially in places like Denver, Boulder, other blue counties in Colorado.

00:44:23.640 They don't just want to name it.

00:44:24.720 No, the Democrats, they're practicing wickedness.

00:44:27.140 Oh, you can criticize the Republicans all you want.

00:44:29.540 I'm not, you know, like there's a lot of feckless Republicans out there.

00:44:32.720 But I'm saying this stuff, this is a line in the sand moment for Christians to wake up and be like, no, Democrats, they're practicing wickedness. 0.90

00:44:38.900 And any Christian who would participate in that, they should be ashamed of that. 1.00

00:44:42.240 And for a lot of us, we were trying to warn them, like, look, I know that you may find Trump uncouth or you may not be a fan of Republican fiscal policy or something like that.

00:44:50.320 But this kind of stuff, this is evil and you cannot participate in it.

00:44:55.100 And that shouldn't, like, I realize that may upset some people in a church somewhere.

00:45:00.180 I don't know where, but somewhere.

00:45:01.460 And I realize for some pastors that may require them to say something they've never said before.

00:45:06.420 Well, it's time to join the party.

00:45:08.200 Let's go.

00:45:09.280 Let's fight this thing.

00:45:10.540 Because there's so many good Christians and churches in Colorado.

00:45:13.580 There's so many, Oren.

00:45:14.860 And that's true not just in Colorado, but around the United States.

00:45:17.780 And if we could provide actual, tangible political leadership without needlessly mixing the two spheres, without mixing church and state to a degree that would be inappropriate historically, but doing so with our rights.

00:45:31.880 Like, we are Americans.

00:45:33.400 We have the right to advocate for our own interests.

00:45:35.860 And we can just do things.

00:45:37.040 You can speak on things.

00:45:38.080 You can just say things.

00:45:39.820 And you don't have to be so concerned with, like, well, who am I going to upset?

00:45:43.040 That is such a weak, mealy-mouthed approach to discipleship.

00:45:46.940 We need strong Christian families, strong Christian men to step up to the plate.

00:45:50.980 I saw one guy, I believe he lives out here, Victor Marks.

00:45:53.760 He kind of has a big following on Instagram and other places.

00:45:56.600 And he deals with the stuff all around the world.

00:45:58.100 Thank God he spoke up recently.

00:46:00.080 And so there's lots of people joining the fight.

00:46:01.800 I'm really excited because there's a lot of people responding to the call.

00:46:05.080 A lot of people who, I'll be honest with you, Warren, like, in kind of our circles in the pastors in Colorado, we are seeing our church and our pastorate at the Well Church in Boulder, Colorado.

00:46:15.000 It's kind of seen as, like, definitely conservative.

00:46:17.680 And we're not afraid to speak our mind.

00:46:19.320 We have a lot of fun doing it.

00:46:20.480 We try to equip Christians to think seriously about the times and live a holy life and righteous life before the Lord.

00:46:25.980 And so a lot of pastors will kind of give us the side eye, like, oh, well, you know, you're just a radical right winger, all this kind of stuff.

00:46:32.400 But here's the deal.

00:46:33.460 When it came down to it and we sent out a call, an email to these people, a lot of them came up to the plate because they're like, you know what?

00:46:40.460 We may have different approaches to how we engage in culture.

00:46:42.940 We may have different approaches to how we speak about these things.

00:46:45.380 But this is a line in the sand.

00:46:46.600 And I'm seeing that all over the place in Colorado.

00:46:48.800 So we're seeing a lot of good churches.

00:46:50.260 But the megachurch are just slow to act.

00:46:52.320 That's why I'm so encouraged, like I said, for Pastor Jeff down at Brave Church, Pastor Jim at Flatirons Church.

00:46:58.100 So we're seeing a lot of churches get involved.

00:46:59.780 But these, you know, it's hard not to have a salty earth attitude with these organizations and other Christians who have influence in our state and in our nation who don't get involved in this stuff. 0.97

00:47:10.340 I'm kind of like, look, I'm not going to anathematize you. 0.98

00:47:13.200 I might see you on the other side, but you're useless right now. 0.97

00:47:16.600 You're not going to defend us and you're not going to speak for God's truth in the world. 0.97

00:47:20.500 Yeah, this is a moral softball, right?

00:47:22.420 Like if you there are things that are tricky.

00:47:24.880 There are things that are nuanced.

00:47:26.280 There are difficult issues to navigate.

00:47:28.980 This is not one of them.

00:47:30.580 If you cannot stand up on this, if you do not grasp this as evil, if you do not understand that you need to take a stand here, then you just never will. 1.00

00:47:39.700 You are useless. 0.98

00:47:40.780 You are already gelded as the children that you are opening up to exactly that same process. 0.99

00:47:46.860 And the last thing I want to discuss before we wrap this up, you talked about advocating for our own interests.

00:47:53.780 Like we're Americans.

00:47:54.620 We have the right to advocate for our rights, our own interests.

00:47:56.880 I think that's important because actually I think a lot of Christians don't think they have that right.

00:48:02.960 I think that especially with the discussion of individualism versus collectivism, right?

00:48:09.840 That we're not allowed to think of ourselves as collective.

00:48:13.280 We're not allowed to think of ourselves as having a shared interest, a specific interest that we need to advocate for.

00:48:19.640 Some of this comes from the fact that a lot of people just assume Christianity is kind of the background culture for the United States.

00:48:25.520 So we're, of course, we're Christian.

00:48:27.760 Everyone has these beliefs.

00:48:29.880 They just need to come back to them.

00:48:31.180 We just need a slight correction.

00:48:33.240 No, unfortunately, what has happened is that Christianity, real Christianity, has become much and much less of a focus.

00:48:40.700 Yes, there are people who are nominally Christian.

00:48:42.520 That's better than not being nominally Christian.

00:48:44.520 I'm a fan of cultural Christianity.

00:48:46.120 A lot of people have their concerns about it.

00:48:48.480 I am not one of them.

00:48:49.440 But ultimately, the number of practicing, focusing, you know, Christians who understand their doctrine and hold to their faith has shrunk.

00:48:57.100 And you have to advocate for these people.

00:48:59.660 You have to, especially when we look at Hindu temples being built in Texas, Muslim towns being built in Texas.

00:49:06.020 Other religions are coming here, guys.

00:49:08.200 The day of Christian default. 0.98

00:49:10.160 Oh, well, we can just assume everyone's Christian. 0.91

00:49:12.700 And we got, even if they're not a professing Christian, they've got a Christian background, a Christian ethos.

00:49:18.180 That is no longer the case.

00:49:20.200 You have to be able to collect it collectively.

00:49:23.520 Yes, that's right.

00:49:24.760 I'm on a conservative show.

00:49:26.360 I'm on a right wing show.

00:49:27.580 I'm on the blaze.

00:49:28.540 And I am about to say this.

00:49:29.880 You need to be able to collectively advocate for your interests.

00:49:35.840 You need to be able to go to a state legislature and say, Christians are a group.

00:49:41.200 We are the dominant group.

00:49:42.580 We deserve preference.

00:49:44.640 We deserve protection.

00:49:46.540 We have a collective interest in our communities and our families and our faith.

00:49:51.520 And we are pushing for that.

00:49:53.160 And you, the politician, you, the organization, will deliver on this if you would like our support.

00:49:59.520 You want our money.

00:50:00.280 You want our votes.

00:50:01.300 You want our time.

00:50:02.440 You better get this done.

00:50:03.800 If you don't, we're going to go find someone else to do this.

00:50:07.260 I think we have to break this.

00:50:09.360 I'm an individual.

00:50:10.560 I'll be left alone thing.

00:50:12.060 Like the people who want to win are going to beat you.

00:50:16.520 The people who want to win are going to beat the people who want to be left alone.

00:50:19.340 You have to be able to collectively take action and fight against this.

00:50:22.860 And I'm really glad that you guys were willing to put this together in the space that you did.

00:50:27.120 And I hope that it only grows more from here.

00:50:29.820 Thanks so much, Warren.

00:50:30.640 Yeah, and I think what you're talking about is exactly what I have a heart for the church to know more about.

00:50:34.620 Because I think when many pastors enter the ministry, they get ordained or by other means, they somehow adopted like there's a lot in theology today about how we're not, we have no home here.

00:50:47.560 You know, this isn't our eternal home.

00:50:51.060 And so when a lot of pastors enter the ministry, they kind of adopt this attitude of like, well, we're ambassadors for Christ, and my allegiance is primarily to the kingdom of God, which of course, true in a sense.

00:51:02.180 But they've taken that to mean, therefore, any other kind of allegiance I have to my people or my place, that's basically not only useless, it's actually against the kingdom of God.

00:51:13.820 And therefore, for me to advocate for earthly things, they view it as worldly, fleshly, pursuing power, they love to talk about the ring and Lord of the Rings and how that's bad.

00:51:23.660 And so they don't have a concept of like what it means to actually be a human.

00:51:28.120 And this stems from poor theological anthropology, where it's like, of course, when we're Christians, we have a citizenship in heaven.

00:51:34.820 And also, you still have a body and you still have actions to do here.

00:51:39.400 You should have children, have families, take them to church.

00:51:41.980 You should make money.

00:51:43.100 You should have a job.

00:51:44.180 All this stuff is very basic.

00:51:45.580 This is what we pray for in Lord's Prayer, that he would give us our daily bread.

00:51:48.180 And we pray for his kingdom to come and his will be done on earth as it is in heaven, that earth would be kind of a magnifier of what heaven will be.

00:51:57.400 And so we should take an interest in this, because when Christ commanded us to go and make disciples of all nations, he has all the authority in heaven and on earth.

00:52:06.340 And so it's not wrong to advocate for political power, to advocate for, I mean, people are going to accuse, if you do this, people are going to accuse you of kind of imposing your way of life on them or imposing your theology. 0.99

00:52:17.720 I'm like, I don't, these are stupid arguments to me. 0.96

00:52:20.480 This is a non sequitur. 1.00

00:52:22.180 It's a distraction because the left already isn't trying to impose their totalitarian tyranny on everyone. 0.78

00:52:28.200 Okay.

00:52:28.320 The day of coexistence is over.

00:52:30.000 They're not looking to coexist with you.

00:52:31.560 They want to dominate you. 1.00

00:52:32.480 They want to steal children so that they can cut off their genitals. 1.00

00:52:35.180 We're not playing nice anymore. 0.99

00:52:37.380 And so, yeah, we do need to work together across denominations.

00:52:41.000 And it really is not incongruent with American history.

00:52:45.100 It's actually very consistent with American history that we should advocate for our own interest.

00:52:49.440 We can do that with other people and we should apply pressure and use power to advocate for what we believe is best for society.

00:52:58.300 Americans and particularly Christians are totally willing for other people to advocate for their own interests.

00:53:02.580 They're very like, well, you know, that's just how they are.

00:53:05.180 They're lost people.

00:53:05.900 So they're going to advocate for sin.

00:53:07.300 And it's like, we shouldn't want that.

00:53:09.220 We should not want more sin in the world.

00:53:11.240 We want the world to be more Christian.

00:53:12.580 We want America to be more Christian, just like I want Ethiopia to be more Christian.

00:53:15.780 We should want the entire world to be more Christian.

00:53:18.080 And we can advocate for that using political means.

00:53:21.400 And that's not inconsistent with some kind of with your citizenship in heaven.

00:53:25.780 You don't have to embrace this kind of exilic theology where you're you're in exile here.

00:53:30.840 And that means that basically you have no loyalties.

00:53:33.780 You have no family.

00:53:34.980 You have no children, all that kind of stuff.

00:53:37.360 I mean, at the end of the day, this kind of stuff is very communistic.

00:53:39.620 It's very egalitarian where they really like if you if you boil down a lot of these people's theology, it's very like I am not more loyal to my wife than anyone else.

00:53:50.500 I'm not more loyal to my children than anyone else.

00:53:52.640 That's like basically communism. 0.99

00:53:54.060 And unfortunately, a lot of Christians have adopted that mentality from a lot of writers and thinkers like Russell Moore, who have propagated this stupid, stupid idea about how we're exiles and we live in Babylon and and all this kind of stuff. 0.99

00:54:07.980 And they haven't really gotten into the sources and this gets into pulpits and this gets into the evangelical immigration table. 0.99

00:54:14.820 I could keep going, but it's just so sad that Christians oftentimes are biblically illiterate because the pastors are biblically illiterate because the elites and evangelicalism have been propagating wokeness and communistic thinking to the seminaries and to Christian leaders. 0.84

00:54:29.000 Well, Chase, if people want to know more about what's going on or how they can lend their support, where should we send them?

00:54:36.460 Go to fight1312.com.

00:54:38.420 You can get involved there.

00:54:39.480 You can sign yourself up there so that you can stay in the fight.

00:54:42.220 We provide rolling updates there.

00:54:44.200 I'll also be providing some updates as we go on my podcast, Full Proof Theology.

00:54:48.120 You can also go over to the Center for Baptist Leadership.

00:54:50.160 I have a couple of articles.

00:54:51.180 I bet we're hosting a space today as we're recording this this afternoon, five o'clock mountain time to talk more about these issues.

00:54:57.380 So very active.

00:54:59.220 Follow me on Twitter at J. Chase Davis.

00:55:01.360 I try to post about this stuff, as do my friends.

00:55:03.960 But that's probably enough information for people to stay up to date.

00:55:07.840 All right.

00:55:08.040 Great.

00:55:08.360 Yeah.

00:55:08.560 If you can head over to that Twitter space when we're done there, feel free.

00:55:11.860 It sounds like you're going to have much more information there.

00:55:15.160 All right.

00:55:15.480 Let's see.

00:55:15.920 We got the questions of the people here real quick. 0.88

00:55:19.840 Tiny Stupid Demon says, I miss living somewhere that is never in the news. 0.96

00:55:25.740 Waiting for national coverage of Denver Mayor Meth Camp Mike's homeless hell hotels. 0.98

00:55:32.380 Aurora is bad enough, but I studiously avoid going into Denver now.

00:55:39.800 I can't.

00:55:40.660 I'm not super familiar with Colorado, so I don't know if you had any feedback on that.

00:55:44.080 Yeah, I could definitely.

00:55:45.200 Yeah, he's ruined Denver.

00:55:46.280 I mean, Denver's Denver's crazy.

00:55:48.080 What's interesting, Oren, is that a lot of people in business now who aren't Christians are speaking up about the policies that they're implementing in Denver and how they're just allowing homelessness to run rampant.

00:55:58.940 This is where, of course, the Venezuelan gang was, Aurora. 0.99

00:56:02.000 And so, yeah, Johnson has absolutely ruined the city.

00:56:04.200 Everyone I talk to, they don't want to go to Denver.

00:56:06.180 Denver, it's needles everywhere.

00:56:08.840 There's poop on the side.

00:56:09.920 They're trying to turn it into San Francisco.

00:56:11.580 And this is consistent with what they try to do in 2020.

00:56:14.660 A lot of Denver and Boulder, they were taking their cues from San Francisco.

00:56:18.180 They thought San Francisco was like the, oh, it's everyone who, everyone who's liberal on the West Coast wants to be San Francisco.

00:56:24.220 So let's model San Francisco.

00:56:25.360 Well, you get it now.

00:56:26.380 That's what, that's what's happening.

00:56:29.820 Well, I certainly hope that you are successful.

00:56:32.460 I am very glad that you guys began that organization.

00:56:36.100 And I think it's critical, again, that Christian organizations as they exist now, it's time for them to put up or shut up. 1.00

00:56:42.980 Okay.

00:56:43.260 Like you, if you were waiting for your cultural moment, if you were waiting for the space where you had backup from the White House, you had the possibility of culture of victory.

00:56:52.480 You have the momentum when it comes to possible legislative.

00:56:56.000 This is it.

00:56:57.120 There's no other excuse.

00:56:58.340 There's no other time.

00:56:59.140 Now is the time, if it's a organization that can stand up for children, then it should be standing up for children.

00:57:06.200 If it can't be standing up for children, then it needs to be replaced by something that can.

00:57:10.200 So make sure that you're taking out Chase's organization and that you are looking for opportunities to start something or plug into something like that in your home state.

00:57:18.720 Because these things will come for your home state as well, and you need to be prepared.

00:57:23.740 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 21, 2025

Christians Fight Trans Tyranny in Colorado ｜ Guest： Chase Davis ｜ 4⧸21⧸25

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