The Auron MacIntyre Show - Con Inc. Deserves Candace Owens ｜ 4⧸13⧸26

00:00:00.000 Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I am Oren McIntyre. Before we

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00:00:21.480 check out Stu and Dave, Do America, on Blaze TV today. All right, guys, we have a lot to talk

00:00:29.160 about it was an absolutely insane weekend for the trump administration and the country in general

00:00:34.340 at pretty much every level we have trump battling with the pope trump declaring that he's going to

00:00:39.820 blockade the uh yeah the straightforward moves uh we have peace tops breaking down we have trump

00:00:45.400 posting pictures of himself as jesus and then we have the actual topic of the broadcast today which

00:00:52.120 is talking a little bit about candace owens and why she is herself a creation of conservatism

00:00:58.040 incorporated. We're going to get to all that, but I guess we should start from the very beginning.

00:01:03.280 So let's talk a little bit about the news that has been developing since we last spoke.

00:01:08.700 So Trump had been on a, well, a run of sorts. He had declared a war on several different

00:01:16.920 podcasters, which is find whatever it's drama. There are probably lessons to be learned there,

00:01:22.460 but that's a different topic. I don't want to delve into that. We also had Trump endorsing

00:01:27.500 lindsey graham for her re-election after several people were attempting to unseat lindsey graham

00:01:33.680 which is kind of rough because lindsey graham is everything that the swamp basically uh you know

00:01:40.360 exists it's he's the swamp embodied right like lindsey graham is a neocon he's a guy who never

00:01:45.880 talks about his own district never talks about his own state unless he's going to talk about

00:01:50.840 sending them to war like this is a guy who absolutely does not care about the people is

00:01:56.300 should in no way be near the Republican Party, and yet somehow sits at this critical juncture

00:02:01.280 of the Republican Party. Exactly the kind of people you were hoping that Trump would kind of

00:02:06.140 push out of the GOP that would dismantle, you know, this kind of infrastructure inside the GOP,

00:02:12.380 and yet he's doubling down on supporting the guy. So that's a rough blow, right? Like that's a rough

00:02:17.920 hit for Trump supporters. Moving from that, we had the peace talks with Iran breakdown. J.D. Vance

00:02:25.520 went to have these peace talks and ultimately they were not successful it sounded like there

00:02:30.860 were several different sticking points now the ceasefire is still ongoing and to some extent

00:02:36.040 that was probably predictable that the very first negotiation was probably going to be like

00:02:41.260 kind of this tone setter and then they would sit down again before the ceasefire ended i certainly

00:02:46.460 hope that's the case i think it's in everyone's best interest to ultimately resolve this problem

00:02:52.640 I think it's even in Iran's best interest to do this. A lot of people are trying to kind of build up Iran and say that now that they have kind of created this situation, this energy stalemate with the United States, that they're in the driver's seat and they're this incredible economic power and they're in control.

00:03:10.920 and i'm sorry that's just as delusional as the idea that iran was going to blow over in a few

00:03:16.800 days because you launched some missiles at them i've been against this war from the very beginning

00:03:21.840 i've been very vocal about it a lot of people have been very angry at me for vocally opposing this

00:03:26.940 war but ultimately that doesn't mean i'm going to delude myself on where we're at i'm still rooting

00:03:32.060 for the united states even if i don't like this decision i want the united states to win and i'm

00:03:37.440 clear eyed about the fact that the United States military ultimately does have the capacity to do

00:03:42.480 very, very serious damage to the Iranians. If they choose, they've already done quite a bit 0.95

00:03:46.880 of damage and could do a lot more. The best case scenario for Iran was to get some level of 1.00

00:03:52.440 negotiations going and pull some, you know, conciliations away from, you know, Donald Trump

00:03:57.600 in these deals and ultimately, you know, get out from under this bombing run, right? If you're

00:04:02.820 Iran that's the smart move but it seems like they're going to double down and say no we want 1.00

00:04:07.980 to push this further now again hopefully that's just a a bargaining position and ultimately some 0.95

00:04:14.000 kind of peace is secured during the ceasefire we get back to the negotiating table and that occurs

00:04:20.080 but I don't think it's long term and Iran's best interest to do this I mean again Donald Trump is

00:04:26.280 a guy who really relies on his ability to make deals. And you want to put yourself in a position

00:04:33.920 where Donald Trump can look like he made a deal if you're Iran. If you don't put yourself in that

00:04:38.320 position, then you really are just betting on the idea that you can beat the American military

00:04:43.100 in an extended conflict. Now, the idea for Iran was ultimately making an extended conflict too

00:04:49.140 painful so the United States would not commit fully to it. And they succeeded to that to some 1.00

00:04:54.800 extent. But once you get to that point where you're then making deals, you've got to find a

00:05:00.660 way to close that thing. Now, I don't know. I know there's a lot of caveats thrown in. I know,

00:05:06.200 unfortunately, at some level, Israel is also involved in these talks or is very influential

00:05:12.260 in how these talks are conducted. And so maybe they're moving goalposts, trying to create

00:05:17.640 situations where Iran can't accept the deal. But I think it's very bad for Iran to not ultimately

00:05:24.040 find a way to peace because if you really make donald trump double down on this and he will he's

00:05:30.480 not just going to walk away because you said you don't want to do a deal like that's just going to

00:05:34.720 make donald trump dig in that's just who he is better or worse those are going to be the practical

00:05:38.640 outcomes if you do that that's going to be bad for you it's going to be bad for your people it's

00:05:42.980 going to be a disaster because remember you know iran isn't that stable of a government before you

00:05:48.120 get into this war it had significant protests now obviously that gets kind of consolidated as

00:05:54.700 ultimately uh people start to rally around the regime when trump bombs them that's kind of one

00:05:59.260 of the reasons i thought this was a bad idea however you know those internal problems don't

00:06:03.780 disappear just because the american military uh you know steps away or something like which it's

00:06:10.320 just not going to do iran's going to continue to taste to face internal pressures it's going to

00:06:15.020 have serious logistical issues it's going to have you know neighbors that aren't very fond of it

00:06:19.720 after the fact that they fired these missiles at everybody i mean you can be iran and pretend that

00:06:25.120 at some level they're going to see this as an attack on the united states and not them but i

00:06:29.420 think those neighbors are going to remember that you lobbed missiles and drones at them at the end

00:06:33.740 of the day so i think the smart move for iran would ultimately be a way to find a way to make 0.59

00:06:39.060 peace i understand from their view they're like well you know israel is going to keep coming back

00:06:44.440 to the table and trying to get the united states to do this over and over again so either we win

00:06:48.400 this now or we're we're done like i understand that in i can get inside their mind and understand

00:06:53.960 that mentality but ultimately i think they have to realize that a protracted war is just going to be

00:07:00.720 a loss for them eventually maybe at great cost to the united states certainly at the great cost

00:07:05.500 to donald trump and his administration's domestic priorities i don't want to see this on any level

00:07:10.620 But again, if you're Iran, you just have to understand that I think this is long term, like not not good for you. So obviously, I want the United States to come out on top of this. But also just from the Iranian side, like you can't you can't not do the deal here at some point, because then all Trump has left is the neocon option.

00:07:29.560 You've taken all the other outs for Trump off the table. And as much as you might be worried about Trump not taking an off ramp, it's very clear you went out of his way to generate an off ramp for himself when he thought he needed to. That's not the time for you to then double down and pretend like you have Trump exactly where you want him, because that's not the case either.

00:07:47.600 You don't have the tiger by the tail here. You don't even really have the tiger by the ears. So probably best to figure out how to get out of this situation, ultimately, rather than, you know, prolong it, hoping that it somehow works out in your favor.

00:08:00.480 that said trump decided uh that during this uh you know remaining period of the ceasefire where

00:08:07.620 hopefully we end up in another negotiation that he's going to deploy a different tactic so let

00:08:12.840 me pull up his post he's been making uh it's been making some very exciting uh posts on truth social

00:08:19.840 here but let's uh get to this one uh i believe it's this one we're looking for here so this is

00:08:26.500 Trump saying, uh, so there you have it. The meeting went well, well, post most points were

00:08:34.000 agreed to, but the only point that really matters nuclear was not effective immediately. The United

00:08:39.800 States Navy, the finest in the world will begin a process of blockading any and all ships trying

00:08:45.320 to enter or leave the Strait of Hormuz. At some point we will reach an all being allowed to go in

00:08:51.680 all being allowed to go out basis but iran has not allowed this to happen by merely saying there

00:08:58.200 may be a a mine out there somewhere and nobody knows about them this is a world extortion leaders

00:09:03.880 of countries especially united states will never be extorted i have also instructed our navy to

00:09:09.100 seek and interdict every vessel in international waters that paid a toll to iran no one who pays

00:09:15.320 an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seats we will also begin destroying the

00:09:21.020 minds of iran laid in the strait any iranian who fires at us or a peaceful vessel will be blown to 0.97

00:09:26.380 hell iran knows better than anyone how to end this situation they already devastated their country 0.97

00:09:31.740 their navy is gone you get the idea so trump has pulled the old uno reverse card oh you you think

00:09:40.320 you're blockading the strait of hormuz well we're blockading the strain of hormuz so there uh i'll

00:09:46.760 say this certainly a bold and interesting strategy um it does i guess at some level remove the revenue

00:09:54.780 aspect from iran they can't you know they don't they don't get all the money uh from these boats

00:10:00.260 going in and out right because ultimately they still can't go out if if they pay the toll from

00:10:05.740 iran uh this does however have some some serious downsides possibly maybe it will work maybe you

00:10:12.420 know maybe he's ultimately uh caught them in their own trap but uh there are some some pain points

00:10:19.000 here that could you know work on donald trump now a lot of people speculated that this was going to

00:10:24.320 be like the the easter tweet which was its own controversial uh tweet he sent out or truth

00:10:30.680 whatever you want to call it his social media post where he said oh well we're going to just

00:10:36.040 destroy the all of iranian civilization if they don't if we don't have a deal done by 8 p.m 0.55

00:10:40.960 we're going to blow everything up and we're going to blow up all your bridges and all your power 0.99

00:10:44.680 plants and injure civilization and won't a shame wouldn't that be a shame and then obviously when 0.91

00:10:50.100 we got to APM he kind of threw out this actually we're doing a deal and the leader of Pakistan has

00:10:55.100 shown me a deal that I definitely didn't send him and tell him to post and they didn't just copy and

00:10:59.320 paste it with you know instructions for him to post it on social media which it's still an amazing

00:11:05.280 thing that happened by the way uh and so you're in this scenario where a lot of people said well

00:11:10.960 it's just like that right it's it's going to be a bunch of bluster and he's going to put you put

00:11:14.660 you up against the wall and it's a negotiating tactic and he'll back down well we're getting

00:11:18.920 reports this morning from fox news that the united states navy is indeed moving to blockade the

00:11:25.160 strait now will they follow exactly the pattern that trump laid out there are they really going

00:11:30.400 to you know basically stop any boat that paid the toll in the first place and deny them passage and

00:11:37.800 blow anybody up if they come near i don't know i have no idea that's well yeah i guess that that's

00:11:43.180 the trump strategy right like just throw it all out there confusion uh you know uh yeah chaos and

00:11:49.220 then see what sticks uh that said uh this strategy has uh the possibility of working right it does

00:11:55.600 It does take some level of leverage away from Iran, but it also has a lot of pain points globally that could put a lot more pressure on Donald Trump in the United States.

00:12:04.800 So obviously, there's going to be a lot of other countries who are already angry about the strait being closed because America went to war.

00:12:12.580 Remember, it's not like anyone was charging boats going in and out of the strait or stopping them before the war.

00:12:18.800 So this is new and it's caused by the war, by America and Israel being involved in this war.

00:12:24.420 so a lot of people are already angry about that their their energy prices are going up

00:12:29.760 in places like europe where that are more dependent on the oil uh south korea uh you know

00:12:35.900 you're seeing shortages that kind of thing well now they were already angry that they're gonna

00:12:40.820 have to like basically pay a bribe extortion to iran to like you know get their stuff through

00:12:48.500 here well now they're not even going to be able to do that right like now it it's the united states

00:12:54.900 that's stopping the oil ultimately from flowing towards them now i think there's again multiple

00:13:02.880 reasons trump is doing this one is it creates this kind of you know removing this power position

00:13:09.100 from iran and saying oh no ultimately if the if the strait's going to be closed it's going to be

00:13:12.880 on our watch not someone else on the other hand uh it also creates a scenario where uh donald trump

00:13:21.740 has like more or less told the rest of the world hey you need to come get involved like you sitting

00:13:28.440 on the sideline and not helping us free up the straight is not going to work for you you can't

00:13:33.940 just pay iran a few million dollars to get your boats through and that'll solve the problem you

00:13:39.940 either come and work this out with us or you're just going to be in dire straits pardon the pun

00:13:45.060 there so you're in the scenario where trump is trying to use this i think both to kind of again

00:13:52.100 uno reverse the iranian position looks look strong in the moment deny them the income from the strait

00:13:59.460 and also compel other european allies or other governments to involve themselves

00:14:06.060 now obviously this also means that these tankers aren't going to places like china uh which they're

00:14:13.800 probably not going to like so does that mean china sends someone to like break an american

00:14:22.120 blockade because they're not getting oil that they paid for through the strait i don't know

00:14:28.700 probably not but like it's not off it's not off the table uh so this creates a very interesting

00:14:35.280 scenario again i i pray for the peace negotiations i hope that we're already seeing reports that iran

00:14:43.040 wants to come back to the table i hope they do that i think that's wise for everybody involved

00:14:48.680 but ultimately um this is just a wait and see scenario there there's nothing else you know i

00:14:55.340 like i said i could speculate i could tell you oh i know exactly what's going to happen here i'm sure

00:14:59.980 are plenty of people are doing that right now. But the truth is there's so much chaos. There's

00:15:06.020 so many factors involved. I can lay out the factors for you. I can lay out what the strategy

00:15:10.780 is here, what Trump probably expects to achieve, who the players are, why China or other countries

00:15:18.100 would be concerned and consider applying pressure to those kind of things. I can lay out the

00:15:22.560 scenarios for you. I can lay out the different possibilities or the possible inputs into this

00:15:29.100 decision the factors involved but i i you know predictions as to how this will really shake out

00:15:34.540 like i know like anyone knows it's totally wild i you know we're we are definitely just on the

00:15:41.020 speculating history uh you know track here there's there's really nothing to be done

00:15:46.820 uh obviously trump is going to make his own decisions the iranians have to make their own

00:15:51.280 decisions uh you hope that ultimately jd vance is able to strike a deal with the iranians but

00:15:56.460 it does sound like the sticking point is ultimately this idea of zero enrichment and i just don't

00:16:02.280 think that iran is gonna give it up because they really believe that if they give up their nukes

00:16:08.720 they're gonna end up like momar qaddafi right like they're gonna end up you know the leaders

00:16:12.800 are gonna end up sodomized with a bayonet on a on a jeep you know and the the united states really

00:16:19.940 sent a message with that one uh there's just a lot of countries that believe that nuclear weapons

00:16:25.620 our sovereignty and i ultimately i think they're right about that and so iran's question is you

00:16:31.380 know is it does it fold now on that on that issue i think they want to keep the ability to enrich at

00:16:38.640 some level as a bargaining chip maybe they do actually want to make weapons maybe they do

00:16:42.800 really want to kill everybody but at the very least in a real political sense uh you know the

00:16:47.260 the the strategic value uh in negotiations comes from your ability to threaten right like yes we

00:16:54.820 don't have it yet but we could so you have to respect us right like that's kind of the game

00:17:00.220 that iran wants to play they want to sit in this sweet spot of we don't have weapons so you don't

00:17:05.300 feel like you have you know you have to make us a total pariah but we have the ability to one day

00:17:09.700 have weapons so you have to treat us with some respect you can't just regime change us you can't

00:17:14.220 just blow us off the face of the earth because you know in theory we could accelerate and create

00:17:18.800 this dangerous scenario i totally understand why the united states does not want iran there 0.93

00:17:24.800 But I think at that point, the question is, well, the only only way to stop that is you have to literally control Iran. 0.78

00:17:32.080 You have to turn it into a colony. 0.95

00:17:35.020 You have to invade it. 1.00

00:17:36.360 You have to hold it.

00:17:37.840 You have to go the full bore. 0.90

00:17:39.500 If you want to get rid of nuclear enrichment in the Iran forever, I don't think you're going to be able to bomb it.

00:17:45.720 You have to go full land invasion, full neocon regime change.

00:17:50.280 And if you're lucky, that will work.

00:17:51.840 Right.

00:17:52.020 if you're lucky. I don't think you should do that, but we have to be realistic. These are

00:17:56.800 pretty much the two alternatives. Either you go full boots on the ground invasion, or you become

00:18:01.660 at some level comfortable with Iran maintaining some level of enrichment. And it seems right now 0.57

00:18:07.000 the United States is trying to broker a deal where we do no regime change, we put no boots on the

00:18:11.200 ground, but also Iran doesn't enrich anything. And I just don't think that's a realistic

00:18:17.380 understanding is the outcome i wish we had is it what i want the united states to be able to achieve

00:18:22.800 yes but do i think it will actually happen no and we have to have that we like we have to

00:18:28.920 be serious about our negotiating strategy uh but again i also think this is just bad for iran like

00:18:35.240 you know it's obviously bad from the united states perspective for them to turn down the

00:18:38.540 negotiations but again i don't think you want to paint donald trump into a box where his only

00:18:43.300 option is invasion either if Donald Trump can't do a deal he's going to listen to Lindsey Graham

00:18:49.120 he's going to listen to Mark Levin he's going to listen to Ben Shapiro like he's going to listen

00:18:53.220 to those guys if he can't do a deal so I really hope that there's some way they find that ultimately

00:18:58.640 you know Trump is able to do a deal and save some some face uh but uh you know again that's a that's

00:19:06.400 an entirely wait and see scenario. All right. Let me share another one here with you. So this is

00:19:14.680 Donald Trump's battle with the Pope. So Donald Trump didn't just battle with Iran. He battled

00:19:21.020 with the Pope here recently. Now I would like to make it clear. I am a Southern Baptist. I am a

00:19:27.520 certified know-nothings appreciator. Okay. You know, in gangs of New York, I identify with Bill

00:19:35.740 the butcher okay like that's that's where we're at when it comes to the catholic question for me

00:19:39.960 i believe america is a protestant nation i have plenty of catholic friends i love them but america

00:19:45.580 is a protestant nation and i don't give one crap what the pope says pretty much about anything

00:19:50.200 the only reason he matters to me is you know besides him being a guy in a funny hat in a far

00:19:56.160 away country is that so many people listen to him and respect him otherwise i don't care so i i'm

00:20:04.100 not personally offended by donald trump battling with the pope the pope says all kinds of stupid 0.55

00:20:09.240 stuff and uh i i think it's dumb the pope is dumb he he's like a basic lib uh you know he's a

00:20:17.080 progressive um and he's in a long line of popes who have these opinions uh you know don't get me

00:20:23.740 wrong again you know as an evangelical christian i am perfectly aware that we all have issues we 0.54

00:20:31.180 need to resolve so catholic bros calm down i'm not saying you guys are just in this terrible

00:20:36.840 situation and we're the one true uh you know uh super based church obviously we got problems to

00:20:43.680 solve both of us so let's let's you know rather than looking for the the the speck in each other's

00:20:50.280 eyes let's get the log out of our own eyes you know you you handle the pope we'll work on

00:20:55.160 dispensationalism and you know you know we'll we'll all get there together right let's let's

00:21:00.480 hope on that that said uh it still matters when donald trump goes to war with the pope because

00:21:07.160 there's a lot of catholics right and and you don't want to drive away those votes you don't

00:21:14.840 which i mean they care about the pope they care about the king in rome right like this is this is

00:21:23.860 the whole bill butcher argument right these guys are going to be loyal to people in a foreign

00:21:28.460 country and they're going to care more about what you say about that than what's good for the

00:21:31.760 united states and you know sometimes so it matters uh what what the united states says about the pope

00:21:40.920 ultimately even if i think the pope's wrong and says stupid stuff and i don't care about his

00:21:47.320 position it does matter right like even even if it doesn't matter to me i understand it's still

00:21:52.520 significant so trump says pope leo is weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy he talks

00:21:58.320 about the fear of the trump administration but doesn't mention the fear that the catholic church

00:22:02.540 and all other christian organizations had during covid when they were arresting priests ministers

00:22:07.180 and everybody else for holding church services even when going outside and being 10 and even 20

00:22:13.520 feet apart fair true fair true let's talk about the vaccine though mr president anyway uh i like

00:22:21.280 his brother louis much better and i like him because louis is all maga he gets it leo doesn't

00:22:26.760 I don't want the Pope to think it's okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

00:22:30.340 I don't want the Pope to think it's terrible that Americans attacked Venezuela, a country

00:22:35.040 that's sending massive amounts of drugs in the United States, and even worse, emptying

00:22:38.480 prisons, including murderers, drug dealers, killers into our country.

00:22:42.560 And I don't want a Pope who criticizes the president of the United States because I'm

00:22:45.740 doing exactly what I was elected in a landslide to do.

00:22:49.400 You're so close until you said the part about Iran. 0.78

00:22:52.540 You weren't elected to do that.

00:22:53.740 that's exactly opposite of what you were elected to do but um in a landslide to do setting record

00:23:00.280 low crime numbers that part's good we like that part and creating the greatest stock market in

00:23:05.140 history well um leo should be thankful because as everyone knows he was a shocking surprise he

00:23:11.880 wasn't on any list to be pope again you get the idea so um again i i actually agree with a decent

00:23:19.860 him out of this like yeah the pope is pretty bad he's wrong on war he's wrong on covid i mean

00:23:27.100 don't get me he's he's wrong about crime now don't get me wrong i'm a i'm against this current war

00:23:32.480 i'm just not against the idea of war in general uh you know i i don't think that christian nations

00:23:37.480 can avoid war i don't think that it's realistic to expect nations not to go to war um i just think

00:23:43.840 this war is ill-advised you know so i can agree with a decent amount of this but ultimately like

00:23:48.360 i said still some parts that aren't so great and most importantly um the the again the reflection

00:23:56.640 it has with catholics is important uh catholics have been a growing part of the republican

00:24:02.240 coalition they used to be pretty much entirely democrat but have been moving you know over to

00:24:08.060 the republican party um so you don't want to scare those off so much that's that's not the best again

00:24:15.600 i don't think that means that donald trump shouldn't reply to the pope um and and i'm not

00:24:20.200 being precious about this because again potpourri doesn't matter to me uh but you know these are

00:24:26.100 just politically true things however i feel about them is is really beside the point and then

00:24:32.460 finally uh and this one's the big one this is the most exciting and most recent of donald trump's

00:24:37.960 uh, posts today. Uh, he did this. Uh, so this is Donald Trump, um, as Jesus.

00:24:53.360 Uh, he did not create this image, uh, but he did share it. Now, when he initially shared it,

00:24:59.200 there was a lot of cope. Uh, people were running around, uh, saying, no, Grock told me that he

00:25:03.780 didn't really post it and it's not really from the account and someone made it up and whatnot

00:25:08.780 and then people said well no of course i mean you know donald trump uh you know he he didn't post

00:25:17.560 that right like it's on his account but obviously some intern posts it uh now if you believe in an

00:25:22.880 intern runs donald trump's truth account that's some cope right like there's one good and bad

00:25:29.820 thing about donald trump and that's that he has direct control over his social media he doesn't

00:25:34.960 hand that to an intern for anything donald trump posts what donald trump wants to post when he

00:25:40.560 wants to post it that's what we love about him right that's how we got to where he is now donald

00:25:44.960 trump has no filter he posts exactly what he's thinking he's one of the masters of the platform

00:25:49.920 donald trump is an all-star twitter poster social media poster truth poster whatever you want to say

00:25:56.020 that's just true about Donald Trump we loved it about him when he was telling the neocons to stick

00:26:01.980 it when he was trashing the Republican establishment when he was attacking Democrats

00:26:05.900 when he never backed down we loved it however there are some downsides to that when your guns

00:26:15.860 are aimed at the wrong enemies and right now Donald Trump seems to be in a war with about

00:26:22.060 half the christians in the united states which is unwise we'll put it that way now i am not one of

00:26:30.540 those people who says you need to get hysterical about donald trump's tweets in fact i have

00:26:36.740 counseled against it repeatedly you know do not become some hysterical blue-haired feminist because

00:26:42.960 donald trump put something on twitter so i'm not gonna break that rule now i'm really not is this

00:26:49.000 blasphemous yeah yeah kind of yeah yeah i don't really know how you can avoid that right like

00:26:58.920 it is what it is i'm i'm not gonna get precious about donald trump's posting now but

00:27:04.940 unwise right like i think i think unwise is a good way to explain this sorry but this isn't

00:27:11.640 just like another one of his tweets this is this is real bad luck like now don't get me wrong 0.57

00:27:15.920 boomers have been posting slop like this around for a long time and it was bad and i've laughed 0.56

00:27:21.120 at it in fact i did a whole episode on boomer eschatology where i pointed out stuff like this

00:27:26.900 is quite bad and we shouldn't engage in it but it's always been people around trump trump has

00:27:32.160 never embraced it necessarily now he has and that's a bit of a problem now i guess the good

00:27:39.880 news is that donald trump did take this down just like an hour before uh the show was about to go

00:27:46.120 live so the good news is he recognized at some level this was bad however he then held a press

00:27:52.600 conference impromptu to discuss this and other matters and uh this is what he said hormones

00:27:59.640 straight and various other things do you have any questions mr president did you post that picture

00:28:06.020 of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ? Well, it wasn't a picture. It was me. I did post it. And

00:28:12.340 I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there,

00:28:17.340 which we support. And only the fake news could come up with that one. So I had, I just heard

00:28:25.120 about it. And I said, how do they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor making

00:28:30.900 people better and i do make people better i make people a lot better as an example uh the 11 000

00:28:37.860 i understand your husband's going through treatment so you know um that's kind of obviously

00:28:46.360 a lie yeah it's like well yeah i thought it was about being a doctor i thought i was sharing a

00:28:52.220 picture of me being a doctor no i don't i don't think he did like i don't i don't think that's

00:28:59.940 correct. Ultimately, uh, we'll just have to see again, how this shakes out. Um, you know,

00:29:06.980 there's a lot of things that people get angry about Trump at, and then they forget it and they

00:29:10.740 move on. Uh, obviously Trump is not going to apologize. Trump never apologizes for anything.

00:29:16.380 And he wasn't going to start now. And I never really expected him to, I don't know if that

00:29:21.180 would have helped him. I probably doubt it would have, but maybe it's just the right thing to do

00:29:25.220 in this scenario. Either way, I think that now for the Trump administration, it becomes a game

00:29:31.000 of just grin and bear it and hope the news cycle buries it, which, you know, it probably will.

00:29:36.240 The problem for Trump is really that this is an unforced error after a series of rather important

00:29:43.680 unforced errors, right? It's not this one post in particular. Again, I'm not going to become

00:29:49.520 this shrieking woman about it. I'm not going to, you know, suddenly clutch my pearls about Trump

00:29:54.760 and the way he posts on social media i am however gonna note a trend that donald trump is stepping

00:30:02.120 on the toes of a lot of people and unfortunately increasingly there's a lot of people who voted for

00:30:08.260 him it's one thing when donald trump is turning his guns um you know as as uncouth and uh boisterous

00:30:14.980 as they might be on his enemies the people who are never gonna vote for him anyway who you know

00:30:20.000 ultimately need to be put in their place and defeated but now donald trump is just like

00:30:24.160 regularly kind of angering portions of his like actual voting base and i don't just mean like

00:30:31.800 the super dedicated fox news boomers that show up in like incredibly biased polls i'm talking about

00:30:38.680 the maha people i'm talking about the moderates the libertarians a lot of people who joined

00:30:44.360 because they were sick of the woke left and they wanted somebody to close the border and make some

00:30:49.240 sense of our immigration policy but you know aren't gonna like live and die for trump i think

00:30:55.720 he's increasingly alienating those people and i think the polls show that again not the polls

00:31:00.580 or anything polls lie about donald trump all the time but i think that at some point you have to

00:31:05.180 recognize that this is having an impact again i'm not going to get precious about any given post

00:31:11.340 i am going to say that once you accumulate enough unforced errors eventually it costs you something

00:31:17.420 right and that's what i'm worried about this is what i've been worried about with the iran war

00:31:23.340 and this is what i'm worried about with this run of posts again not that any individual thing is

00:31:28.800 worth you know losing your mind over though the last one's pretty rough but ultimately this is

00:31:34.940 going to chip away at donald trump's coalition it already has very clearly and i think it's going to

00:31:40.380 hurt us in the midterms a lot of people are saying ah too too long too far away people will forget

00:31:44.900 I hope so. I hope you're right, man. I want to be wrong about this so bad. I've never wanted to be

00:31:50.300 wronger about something because I know the consequences of the Republicans losing. That's

00:31:55.080 why I've continued to say through all of the Republican missteps and even all of the Trump

00:31:59.780 recent missteps that ultimately you need to back the Republicans because Democrats in power just

00:32:07.320 means you go to jail, borders are open, you know, real bad stuff happens. So I'm not going to be

00:32:14.340 running around and voting Democrat or anything you won't it's gonna see me pushing for some

00:32:19.200 other candidate besides you know you know Trump obviously he doesn't have to run again but you

00:32:24.000 know if it's JD Vance and I think it probably will be I certainly will support JD Vance but

00:32:29.020 this is undeniably bad for the coalition and I'm not doing I look I understand that people want to

00:32:34.900 be positive I understand that we want to trust the plan I get that I really do and as much as I can

00:32:39.700 i try to but at some point we have to be honest about political analysis or i'm useless to you

00:32:45.920 right if i'm just here to tell you stick with the plan everything's great donald trump is perfect

00:32:52.080 you know we're winning it's all going to be fine okay like there's a lot of people who are going

00:32:56.960 to do that for you and if that's what you need you know there's a lot of people who are going

00:33:00.580 to peddle those the like uncut white pills for you so you know by all means uh don't don't let

00:33:05.520 me stop you uh but what i do is try to provide some level of realistic political understanding

00:33:11.780 and that means sometimes we have to acknowledge that mistakes are being made and they're going

00:33:17.300 to have serious costs right and there seems like just a pretty important run of mistakes that has

00:33:24.180 occurred here and i am not hopeful about what it means for the midterms or the long-term prospect

00:33:29.880 of the maga movement i think as i've said that the neocons saw their opportunity to make trump

00:33:35.420 lame duck they wanted this war they wanted a lame duck congress they want to make sure the save act

00:33:40.140 didn't pass they want to make sure that deportation stopped they wanted to make sure that trump

00:33:45.200 basically just spent the last two years being investigated and then ultimately jd vance you

00:33:50.860 know loses because the reputation of maga is completely destroyed and the neocons run back

00:33:56.500 back into power i think that was exactly the plan i think we're seeing that executed now

00:34:00.780 and sadly i'm worried it's working and if i don't warn you about that if i pretend everything's okay

00:34:06.000 okay it makes you feel better for 10 seconds but what did i do for you i lied to you do you feel

00:34:13.020 better about that would that would that would that be better i don't think so i think it's

00:34:17.500 better to be honest about where we're at and try to turn it around as much as possible again i'm

00:34:22.180 not telling everybody i'm not one of these guys going oh no you know don't don't ever vote

00:34:26.960 Republican, give up on Trump. It's all over a black pill, you know, just, just vote for Gavin

00:34:31.900 Newsom. Like I'm never going to do any of that. That's stupid. But at the same time, I'm not

00:34:36.420 going to lie to you. I'm not going to sugarcoat where we're at because it's not great.

00:34:43.520 All right. So the next part of this, the, the, the thing I wanted to talk about before all the

00:34:49.980 news broke was candace owens and part of this is related to you know trump obviously uh trump went

00:34:58.080 out and made this post about you know candace owens and tucker carlson and marjorie taylor

00:35:02.520 green and alex jones and how they're all stupid they've all betrayed him and you know i have

00:35:06.760 various opinions about those different personalities as you can probably imagine

00:35:10.420 the one i wanted to focus on however is candace owens and i think there's a couple good reasons

00:35:15.060 for that first candace owens well i think she's been probably the worst actor out of the people

00:35:23.000 mentioned there the one that is i think most obviously one who is doing bad things candace

00:35:28.820 owens you know i agree with certain critiques she's had at different times of where the country's

00:35:35.200 going our relationship with israel other things but then there's this also like completely out

00:35:41.340 in left field, insane part of Candace Owens, where, you know, the moon landing didn't happen

00:35:46.960 and Rashid McCrone is a man. And, you know, the French are in some conspiracy with the Israelis

00:35:54.420 and the Egyptians to take out Charlie Kirk with a time travel device or something like she's all

00:36:00.820 over the place. It's, it's crazy. Right. And people eat it up. I guess she's got one of the 0.88

00:36:06.680 most popular podcasts in the world so that's working for her uh so i guess i get where the

00:36:11.900 content comes from uh but that isn't really my point my point is not to sit here and just like

00:36:17.380 denounce candace owens even though i genuinely think she's a bad actor in several areas

00:36:21.820 like i i'm not gonna i'm not gonna pretend that somehow candace owens is like doing good things

00:36:28.320 even if i happen to mildly at some level agree with a few of her critiques like obviously she's

00:36:35.980 behaving poorly in a lot of areas including her treatment of erica kirk which i think is

00:36:41.000 pretty ugly as you know someone who's been widowed i just don't think that's how you treat

00:36:45.240 someone who's been widowed uh especially in the most horrific public way possible so that being

00:36:52.320 said i think the conservative movement entirely you know deserves candace owens i i think that

00:36:59.840 candace owens is exactly what the conservative movement was trying to manufacture and they only

00:37:04.640 hate her now because she turned on them but like this is exactly what they were trying to make

00:37:09.260 and and i'll guess let me explain what i mean by that so for a very long time the conservative

00:37:14.680 movement has been obsessed with not looking racist right like just don't look racist that's

00:37:21.780 that's the thing that is so scary someone might call us a racist and if they call us a racist

00:37:26.240 well that's just the worst thing in the world and so even though it's not true or ridiculous or a

00:37:31.480 bad faith argument, we have to do whatever we can to avoid being seen as racist. Even though like

00:37:38.300 it really has no foundation and accepting that language, accepting that frame basically hands

00:37:44.260 all of the moral weight to our enemies and allows them to define terms and completely destroy us.

00:37:50.360 It doesn't matter. Even if we are just basically setting ourselves up to lose eternally to

00:37:56.000 Democrats, we have to avoid being seen as racist. That's what matters. We want New York Times

00:38:02.500 articles written about us saying we're one of the good ones because we avoided racism. And their

00:38:07.760 strategy for trying to avoid being called racist has been to try to take conservative talking 0.91

00:38:14.600 points and put them in the mouths of minorities. Now, don't get me wrong here. There are legitimately 1.00

00:38:21.980 very conservative people of color who are out there and i trust and i'm friends with and i

00:38:30.860 admire right like thomas soul obviously very based right um you you have like my colleague

00:38:38.600 jason whitlock awesome guy right very very cool very serious uh i think about his conservatism

00:38:45.940 his commitment to to to his new faith in christianity like fantastic right like i think

00:38:51.640 they're obviously like the supreme court is basically being held up by the world's most

00:38:56.620 based black man right so like there are obviously conservatives who really do uh you know there

00:39:03.280 are obviously minorities who really are conservative really do hold these values you know

00:39:08.120 clarence thomas is is basically the only thing keeping the constitutional order aloft at the

00:39:13.440 moment like he's holding it on the shoulders like atlas so like to be clear these people exist

00:39:18.360 However, there is a high demand from Con Inc. and a low supply. And because of that, they've run around looking for like all these minorities that they can groom into positions to say conservative things.

00:39:34.020 So then they can point to those people and say, look, look, look, they're, they're not, we're not racist because they say what we're saying.

00:39:40.620 They believe it.

00:39:41.860 They're, they're saying those things.

00:39:43.400 And if a black person says it, or a Hispanic person says it, or an Asian person says it, well, then it can't be racist.

00:39:48.880 So we can't be racist for saying it too.

00:39:51.140 Now, to be clear, that has never worked, right?

00:39:53.760 Like that has just never worked.

00:39:55.600 You still get called racist.

00:39:57.160 It still works.

00:39:58.460 They still hate you.

00:39:59.360 Like this strategy has a hundred percent failure rate, but. 0.89

00:40:02.620 because conservatives are so terrified of being called racist they continue to put minorities

00:40:08.620 into these positions even if they have like really no qualifications and no real principles and no

00:40:15.520 real ties to the conservative movement or any of these beliefs well there is a perverse incentive

00:40:22.520 structure here if you don't know candace owens history let me explain it to you because some of

00:40:27.260 us have been on the internet for too long so i remember when candace owens first hit the scene

00:40:33.040 i was watching dave rubens show at the time because there was this new wave of like idw

00:40:39.900 uh i didn't leave the left left left me guys who were coming over and calling themselves like

00:40:46.020 conservative curious they were interviewing other people who had realized that the left

00:40:50.320 had gone crazy they were opposing wokeness and one of the people that popped up on dave

00:40:57.000 show was candace owens now candace owens began as an arch progressive surprise surprise in fact

00:41:06.240 not only was she a leftist she actually was running a doxing site called um oh man now i suddenly 1.00

00:41:16.980 forgot it uh it'll come to me in a second uh but she was running a a a doxing site that was 0.96

00:41:23.760 space basically supposed to remove anonymity from right-wing posters right like she was supposed

00:41:29.720 it was supposed to go through and like accumulate this data and unveil uh you know uh oh it was

00:41:36.720 something like something autopsy uh social autopsy that was it that was it okay uh and so uh she was

00:41:44.800 she had this doxing side that was supposed to like go out and like uncover these these terrible

00:41:50.200 racist internet anons and destroy their lives and then like her own audience turned on her because

00:41:56.600 she wasn't sufficiently leftist and so all of a sudden all the worst people in the world who

00:42:01.660 she'd been working for to dox right-wing people and destroy their lives in fact i don't know how

00:42:07.380 much that really happened like i don't know if she ever really had this project up it felt like

00:42:12.000 one of those anita sarkeesian things where like she promised this thing and people were giving her

00:42:16.040 money and to you know to theoretically get this up and going but i don't know if it really ever

00:42:21.180 you know delivered what it was supposed to anyway that's not the point the point is she started life

00:42:26.180 as a progressive you know theoretically selling this idea of being able to dox internet anon

00:42:31.360 but once once she changed when she changed her mind because she was being attacked

00:42:42.200 by her own progressives she went through the old i didn't leave the left the left left me and of

00:42:47.680 course she immediately got booked onto dave rubens uh podcast because that was his whole shtick he

00:42:53.240 was just interviewing you know gad sad and jordan peterson and you know sam harris and you know man

00:43:00.040 sam harris talk about a crash out uh but um you know all all of the usual subjects uh the suspects

00:43:07.400 the weinstein brothers like the whole the whole nine yards and candace owens was in this crowd

00:43:11.820 She was not conservative at the time, but she was, you know, making the journey, as they would say. 0.57

00:43:19.460 And so she's already coming from the left, from a position of like doxing people for a living, basically, destroying the lives of right wingers on the Internet, getting them fired.

00:43:29.500 That's where she started her public life. And so she makes this conversion and instantly, you know, she's courted as like the next big thing because, oh my gosh, it's a black conservative. It's a black conservative woman. And, you know, she's going to be out there. She's attractive. She knows how to talk. She can, you know, deliver these speeches. She's charismatic. 0.76

00:43:52.720 I mean look whatever you think about Candace Owens you have to admit she is a talent on a camera 0.95

00:43:58.480 she might be saying things that you find insane and stupid but she obviously is very talented on 0.97

00:44:04.360 a camera and has only gotten more so over the years she knows how to give a presentation 1.00

00:44:07.620 she knows how to hold attention this woman was going to be probably famous doing something like 1.00

00:44:13.540 that's that's just reality she's got if you've been in media long enough you know the media 0.82

00:44:17.500 personality I don't have it like that like I'm just not that guy I might have other things that

00:44:22.240 i'm good at but i'm i'm not i don't have that like ultra charismatic uh piece she does she knows she 0.61

00:44:29.400 knows how to do it and so once they see her they're like oh gosh we can turn her into another 0.94

00:44:34.840 one of our like minority bots and so you know she gets pushed through she's on all these programs

00:44:41.360 uh she works with tpusa obviously that's how she like meets charlie kirk and becomes friends with

00:44:45.940 charlie kirk uh and so she becomes this like super rising star she starts the blexit movement you know

00:44:52.080 The promise that every conservative wants to hear, don't worry, conservative, you're not racist because the black people are going to vote like you vote. Don't worry, as my friend Steve Day says, the brothers be flippant. The narrative that the brothers be flippant, it's going to win out. We're ultimately going to be the ones who win the black vote. And then once we have the holy black vote, and remember the black vote is the most holy thing in American politics. It's the blessing. Don't let conservatives lie to you.

00:45:19.420 they'll tell you oh the george floyd stuff was ridiculous all the religious stuff around george 0.63

00:45:23.620 floyd is ridiculous they believe every single word of this that like black support is the only thing

00:45:28.420 that matters is the ultimate uh currency in politics if you have it you have the blessing

00:45:33.420 of god they 100 believe this and so they're like oh man you know candace owens she's going to tell 0.72

00:45:39.240 the boomers everything they want to hear they're not racist and the blacks are going to come over

00:45:43.280 and vote for you and uh you know just follow me i'll pied piper you in the new future uh she

00:45:49.220 obviously courted kanye west uh to this but this is where things got sideways for right because

00:45:55.720 like kanye west was also in this like uh we could say um skeptical of jews uh a period of his life

00:46:04.360 now i don't know when she held any of these beliefs i don't know when she acquired them

00:46:08.320 But obviously she started to be linked to this stuff more and more.

00:46:12.280 And I should stop and say this as well.

00:46:15.640 I do not know Candace Owens personally, professionally, even at a distance.

00:46:20.580 I barely watched any Candace Owens.

00:46:23.100 I tried to watch some of her show to kind of do a little bit of research for this.

00:46:27.380 And I was like, like, I couldn't last long.

00:46:30.860 Obviously it's very popular.

00:46:32.320 So good for her, I guess.

00:46:34.200 Like it's working.

00:46:34.960 It's just not for me, but obviously there's a massive audience for it.

00:46:38.320 That said, I don't know her heart, and she could be sincere in everything she sang.

00:46:45.880 She could have really made the trip.

00:46:47.740 She could have really seen the light.

00:46:49.280 She could have really become conservative.

00:46:51.600 Maybe she embraced all this stuff.

00:46:53.480 I have questions.

00:46:54.840 I'm skeptical, given the pattern of behavior and the interest in kind of telling audiences things that will build your, you know, I don't know.

00:47:04.160 But I can't know her heart.

00:47:06.260 And I'm not, one of the things I hate the most is when people who don't know me talk about my motives when they don't, they don't know anything about me. So I don't want to remove the idea that Candace Owens is not sincere in what she believes. However, I will say this. There have been a lot of people rightly criticizing Candace Owens and her behavior.

00:47:28.760 Some of them have been pretty ridiculous in the way they do it. I'll get to that in a second. But there's a fair and legitimate point to make about Candace Owens and her behavior and the way she conducts herself. That's all fair game. However, a lot of people have been saying that this woman is destroying the right. She's destroying the right wing, destroying the conservative movement.

00:47:49.320 if Trump loses the midterm, or if the Republicans lose the midterms, it's because of her.

00:47:54.420 If MAGA dies, it's because of her. If Trump loses the support of his base,

00:47:58.240 it's because of her. And they've been pretty histrionic about the whole thing.

00:48:03.860 Now, a couple things about that. First, okay, but you created Candace Owens.

00:48:12.120 The only reason she has an audience, conservative incorporated, mainstream conservatism, 0.98

00:48:17.540 is because you gave it to her she has an audience because you gave it to her you put her on the

00:48:23.820 daily wire you put her at tp usa you elevated her voice at every opportunity because of the color of

00:48:31.480 her skin right it's not because she had a deep history of being conservative it's not that she

00:48:38.540 had a a well-thought-out conservative ethos that had carried through her entire life it's not

00:48:45.580 because she had been in the trenches getting conservatives elected for decades you elevated

00:48:51.440 her because she was black and she said the things you wanted to hear and she was good at it again

00:48:58.040 she's talented i i can't take that away from her whatever else you want to believe about candace

00:49:02.380 owens she is very talented so it's not like she didn't put in the work it's not like she didn't

00:49:06.440 have the talent but let's be clear nobody else with a different color of skin and uh you know 0.98

00:49:12.600 a different gender would have probably had the same meteoric rise. 1.00

00:49:16.160 She was elevated because she was black and she told a lot of mainstream

00:49:20.740 conservatives, what they wanted to hear that, you know,

00:49:23.140 they weren't racist and black America was going to start voting for them and

00:49:26.540 they would have the holy vote. And then, you know, Kumbaya,

00:49:29.820 we would finally have won everybody to the sanity. 1.00

00:49:32.600 We'd move all the black people off the democratic plantation back to the 0.87

00:49:35.620 party of anti-slavery and, and you know, the, the Abraham Lincoln, 0.98

00:49:39.700 the Republican party, you know, the whole nine yards.

00:49:42.600 You believed all that stuff. You sold that to people. You made millions and millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars off probably selling Candace Owens as the great black hype for the Republican Party for the conservative movement.

00:49:56.100 and now she has the audience you gave her she has access to all the MAGA listeners to all those 0.98

00:50:04.780 you know women in the middle that you were so worried about losing because you handed them to 0.85

00:50:10.400 her you handed her her audience on a silver platter because you wanted one more black voice 0.90

00:50:17.060 tell you you weren't racist you gave her the audience you gave her the power you gave her

00:50:23.080 the money and now it's coming back to bite you i said this on twitter and i you know i think it's

00:50:29.080 true as the old genghis khan quote you know roughly if you had not committed such great sins

00:50:35.820 then god would not have sent me to punish you i think that's kind of what you got with candace

00:50:40.560 owens you bought the ticket now you get to take the ride you decided to sell out the conservative

00:50:47.840 movement and elevate voices that were really conservative and had no history of it because

00:50:53.020 they told you what you wanted to hear about the black vote you gave them the platform you gave

00:50:57.840 them the money you gave them the notoriety you hooked them up with the connections you pushed

00:51:02.660 them into the conservative media sphere you made sure that they had everything they needed to

00:51:07.000 influence everybody and now you're crying about their influence well boo who maybe candace owens

00:51:14.620 is Genghis Khan with a padded helmet but she is Genghis Khan she is divine judgment on the 0.98

00:51:21.340 conservative movement for your obsessive need to pander to a demographic and to buy into a leftist

00:51:28.500 narrative that makes racism the most unforgivable sin from which you must atone for eternity and

00:51:34.780 because you were weak and because you were foolish and because you're obsessed with making money off

00:51:39.880 of pushing somebody like Candace Owens,

00:51:41.720 now she's destroying you.

00:51:45.160 And I'll be honest,

00:51:46.820 any movement that can be destroyed

00:51:48.500 by Candace Owens deserves to be.

00:51:51.620 And again, not because I'm rooting for Candace Owens

00:51:54.120 or I think she's a great person

00:51:55.420 or I think she's using her voice responsibly.

00:51:58.460 Again, I don't know her from Eve.

00:52:01.060 But ultimately, if you build a Candace Owens 0.68

00:52:06.740 and you empower a Candace Owens

00:52:09.200 and then a candace owens decides to turn on you after you haven't vetted her in any way shape or

00:52:15.260 form and you rush to make her a star well tough again you bought the ticket i hope you enjoy the

00:52:24.120 ride because you earned this this is what you wanted you wanted to elevate voices like candace

00:52:30.320 owens and now they're elevated how do you feel about that and i want to be really clear because

00:52:36.520 i've watched a lot of people including you know people i respect try to shame people out of

00:52:41.320 listening to candace owens and that's just not the solution here people are paying attention to 0.98

00:52:47.120 candace owens because the conservative movement sucks because mainstream conservatism lied because 0.70

00:52:54.680 they knuckled under at every opportunity con inc is corrupt it's lazy it's old it's stupid

00:53:03.600 it can't be bothered to apply pressure it can't be bothered to organize it sells out at every

00:53:10.160 opportunity it hates its own its own viewers its own voters and so yeah you can't be surprised

00:53:18.100 when they look at your failure look at your spitting on them from above for decades looking

00:53:25.520 at your inability to solve any of the problems that face the united states willing to sell us

00:53:29.880 all down the river for a paycheck you can't look at all of that you know decades of behavior

00:53:37.160 and then be surprised when candace owens has an audience she could be wrong she could be evil

00:53:43.220 she could be nefarious but you've already proven you're that you are those things

00:53:48.960 when people look at you you don't understand because you only listen to your audience

00:53:52.800 but when the vast majority of people look at you that's what they see and they might i know

00:53:59.120 plenty of people who think candace owens is behaving poorly and still hate the conservative

00:54:03.540 movement because of how corrupt and lazy and what a failure it's been so you can't blame people if

00:54:11.540 you throw all of your you know credibility in the trash on a daily basis by you know overreacting

00:54:19.460 to covid going along with the medical establishment rooting for the closing of churches which you know

00:54:25.920 Donald Trump is now saying is a bad thing, but he totally was not stopping back when he was

00:54:30.060 president, you know, going to wars, you promise not to get involved in, you know, not following

00:54:35.320 through large scale deportations. Like you can't do all that stuff and then be like, well, why are

00:54:42.300 people listening to Candace Owens? Well, cause you're not doing what you said you do. How about

00:54:47.600 you start doing what you say you do? And then Candace Owens doesn't have a lot of ammunition. 1.00

00:54:52.400 if the trump administration is out there slaying things well then candace owens doesn't have a lot 1.00

00:54:58.340 of ammunition if the republican congress would do anything literally anything then candace owens 1.00

00:55:06.400 wouldn't have a lot of ammunition but she does have that ammunition because you're not doing 0.59

00:55:11.080 anything now again i'm thankful the trump administration on very many levels we do have

00:55:15.900 a closed border we do have at least some level of deportations we are seeing adjustments in h1b

00:55:21.940 and other things, you know, Jan 6, people are out of jail.

00:55:25.660 Those are all huge.

00:55:26.900 Like, they're huge.

00:55:29.080 I am grateful for all those things.

00:55:31.700 But you have to understand that the conservative movement

00:55:34.300 before Donald Trump has just nothing but failures.

00:55:37.580 And recently, Donald Trump hasn't exactly been covering

00:55:39.880 himself in glory.

00:55:41.360 So if you want to shut up Candace Owens,

00:55:43.960 running around and saying, 1.00

00:55:45.540 oh, don't listen to Candace Owens, you bad guy. 0.97

00:55:48.360 Jesus said, don't listen to Candace Owens.

00:55:49.880 That's not going to solve your problem. 1.00

00:55:51.940 That's not going to solve this issue. 1.00

00:55:54.420 If you want people like Candace Owens to be less respectable, first, stop manufacturing them. 1.00

00:56:00.380 Stop handing out jobs to people because of the color of their skin. 0.94

00:56:04.540 Stop doing DEI for conservative politics.

00:56:08.320 And then second, stop screwing up so much.

00:56:11.040 Stop being failures.

00:56:12.900 Actually do what you say you're going to do.

00:56:14.800 So Candace Owens has nothing to criticize.

00:56:16.760 eyes if you guys are doing your jobs if you were keeping your promises if we were moving the ball

00:56:22.520 down the field on a regular basis not a lot of traction but now nothing but traction right

00:56:30.260 because people hear her make one point about a failure of the conservative movement and they say

00:56:36.440 well i wonder if she's right about some of those other things and this is always the danger of

00:56:40.820 people not telling the truth because then when someone does tell the truth on something even if

00:56:44.860 they're lying about everything else people will start listening to their lies and that's why i

00:56:48.980 try to tell the truth even when it's unpopular about what's going on with the conservative

00:56:52.120 movement or what i think's going on the trump administration because i'd much rather people

00:56:55.900 at least be able to come to someone like me than candace owens but at the end of the day i can't 0.76

00:56:59.800 blame them for going there either because she was elevated by the conservative movement the

00:57:04.760 conservative movement made candace owens who she is today she could not be where she is today if 0.77

00:57:09.980 con inc didn't have the set of incentives they have so if you got a problem with candace owens 1.00

00:57:15.440 maybe look in the mirror because ultimately the problem because is conservatism incorporated 0.90

00:57:20.960 without her without conservatism incorporated candace owens would be enough all right guys

00:57:27.060 let's take a look at the questions from the audience here real quick 0.69

00:57:32.800 manna youd says candace owens never appealed to me but anything that acts like a bull in

00:57:39.820 a china shop that is con inc is a win for the real right yeah i mean i i i hear that i i don't

00:57:47.180 want to completely endorse that i don't know if we're not to the point where i want to break

00:57:52.020 everything on the right that said um there is a lot of truth in that you know if you as a movement

00:58:01.440 are so corrupt then again someone like candace owens stepping in and doing what she's doing

00:58:06.360 for a lot of people is going to be a positive and i can't entirely defeat that logic again i don't

00:58:11.480 want to embrace the idea that like well you know it doesn't matter what candace owen says as long

00:58:15.780 she's hurting establishment republicans no like she's still responsible for what she says and

00:58:20.680 how she treats people and that kind of thing but you you can't be shocked that people have that

00:58:26.140 attitude when conic is as corrupt as it's been for so long the real justin says owens is vile

00:58:33.080 nothing justifies her she's destroying casey's family her children will grow up and see the

00:58:37.320 venom and her delusion will fans spit uh again i'm not in any way defending her behavior especially

00:58:44.080 in that area i'm certainly not rooting for candace owens but my point is none of this would be

00:58:49.380 happening if the conservative movement hadn't made candace owens hadn't minted candace owens 0.66

00:58:54.240 hadn't given her platforms hadn't made her a big deal because of the color of her skin because she

00:59:00.200 could sell a certain narrative that was profitable for them so yeah i'm with you like it it's not

00:59:05.980 justified but whether it's justified or not this is just the reality she's here because the

00:59:11.320 conservative movement made her if they hadn't manufactured her in a lab for this purpose

00:59:16.680 she wouldn't be here so maybe if they could you know be thoughtful about how they go about that

00:59:23.200 kind of thing next time that'd be great uh the real justin says charlie's children i met in the

00:59:30.660 last chat yeah i figured that and again man that is absolutely the worst part of this i mean charlie

00:59:34.320 kirk is a man who had children you know his wife lost obviously a husband his children lost uh a

00:59:42.220 father um it's just nothing but tragedy and anything candace owens does to make that worse

00:59:47.720 is bad like it's very bad but again she wouldn't be there to make it she wouldn't have that power

00:59:53.780 if she had been put in that position in the first place philosophical thirst worm says the inability

00:59:58.920 to make coalitions to take everything and give nothing is both the neocons greatest weapon and

01:00:04.020 their biggest weakness zero sum torah thinking i mean again you know the neocons with neocons you

01:00:11.260 lose that's all there is to it neocons are not good faith actors they will tell you they're going

01:00:15.520 to do something for you and every time they rope pull you at the end after they get what they want

01:00:19.920 that's really all there is to it jacob says reliable sources tell me the pope has neither

01:00:25.940 enriched uranium nor army divisions uh you know the old stalin quote you know how many divisions

01:00:31.340 does the pope have that's the real question but yeah i guess it's important that we're i mean

01:00:36.220 look yeah invading the bat the vatican you know it's got some precedent i don't know is it is

01:00:41.500 that base is it not i that's it's hard to tell

01:00:45.520 philosophical thirstworm says Miller not giving a hard no to the dignity act has me beyond

01:00:51.740 blackpilled it's just fully over God gave Trump a chance couldn't meet the moment I have not seen

01:00:57.720 that from Stephen Miller so I can't comment on that if it's true that he did say that yeah that's

01:01:02.240 that's really depressing if that's true but I don't want to speculate on something I have

01:01:06.880 absolutely no information on so I'm I'm not going to denounce something I don't even know if it's

01:01:11.640 true yet, you know, so I'll, I'll look into that for sure. Uh, DB says one of the biggest issues

01:01:17.880 I had with Charlie Kirk is that he defended Glenn Greenwald's perverted lifestyle after the videos

01:01:22.180 of him leak last June. Uh, I am trying to remember if that's true. I don't remember every Charlie

01:01:28.960 Kirk utterance, uh, but that's possible if he did, then yeah, I don't think that's a good move

01:01:34.340 from Charlie Kirk. Obviously, you know, that position in and of itself is in no way, you know,

01:01:41.320 impacting his legacy or his quality as a person or, or, you know, any of that.

01:01:46.420 But I do think if that's true and that really was the position he took,

01:01:49.800 that is unadvisable. Look, I've had Glenn Greenwald on this show,

01:01:52.980 but when those tapes leaked, I also did a show about why they were bad.

01:01:57.560 I'm sure Glenn didn't like that, but they were bad.

01:02:00.600 And as much as I like some of Glenn Greenwald's work,

01:02:03.300 I'm not going to pretend that's good.

01:02:05.180 I can appreciate Glenn's work in one area and still say, yeah,

01:02:08.680 that's disgusting and he shouldn't engage that behavior on the other these things are not mutually 1.00

01:02:12.980 exclusive and we need to be okay with that uh bomb and a gilu bowman igloo maybe that's what

01:02:22.860 we call it bowman igloo uh thoughts on tim pool's trust the plan game theory segment unfortunately

01:02:27.700 i have not seen it so i can't really argue for or against i think tim is generally of the trust

01:02:33.720 the plan variety, but I did not see that specific segment. So again, sorry, guys. I guess I have

01:02:39.160 not consumed enough conservative media because a couple of these questions are, have you seen a

01:02:44.160 thing you have not seen? But sorry, I wish I could give you a better answer, but I simply have not

01:02:48.140 seen that. I'll have to look for that as well. ZHCH says, what Trump should have said, I thought

01:02:54.220 I looked like a Red Cross doctor in Iran, a country that cannot have a nuclear weapon.

01:02:59.400 yeah, I guess so. I guess that, that could have been a better response.

01:03:03.940 Many of you says, I'm not saying that Trump is the antichrist like some others,

01:03:07.280 but this, I am Christ post is not helping and discouraging people thinking this. So yeah,

01:03:12.420 that that's a good point. Right. It's like, um, I, yeah, I don't, sorry. People who are like,

01:03:16.640 Oh, Donald Trump is now the antichrist. And he, he got a 25th amendment him and he's,

01:03:21.260 he's the mad King gone insane and he has to be removed. And, uh, you know, he's a,

01:03:26.200 he's a tool of Satan. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not buying any of that stuff. That said, for those

01:03:31.680 who, you know, are persuaded by that argument, you gave them some really serious ammunition.

01:03:37.840 Like, sorry, but Trump posting that was gross. It just was. Again, I'm not going to get my,

01:03:42.080 you know, I'm not going to search for appropriate phrases for family shows here. I am not going to

01:03:49.180 clutch my pearls about this. However, ultimately it was a bad move and it gave all the worst people

01:03:54.860 ammunition and some of the not worst people who just have real questions you know will see this

01:04:01.220 and say why is this happening this seems to fit a pattern other people are laying out if you

01:04:06.640 disagree with that then you really want trump to stop doing stuff like this because it really lends

01:04:11.200 credibility to it again i'm sorry i'm not buying that donald trump is the antichrist but uh bad

01:04:16.200 move it's it's a bad move thirstworm says uh this is a steadily increasing conspiracy vote in the

01:04:24.020 country uh there are easy wins to placate these people the files for one yeah so that's actually

01:04:30.180 again a very good point there's this problem um so obviously conspiracy theories have been right

01:04:39.140 and they've been right over and over again especially around covid but you know everything

01:04:43.300 we thought about the biden administration obama administration when it came to like rigging

01:04:47.380 elections stuff like that is you know what we see over and over again that a lot of that is true

01:04:52.780 so there's been like a pretty long string of of conspiracy theories that turned out to just be

01:04:59.580 like truths in a few months so when people see that and they also continue to see a world that

01:05:06.500 makes no sense logically they start to say more and more well maybe more conspiracy theories are

01:05:11.460 true and what i've seen is that conservatives are running around like liberals and saying oh well

01:05:15.920 you're listening conspiracy theories candace owen is peddling conspiracy theories which yeah she is 0.98

01:05:20.520 you know but ultimately if that many conspiracy theories have been true proven correct people

01:05:27.020 will continue to believe them in fact they will believe them more and more and so you really don't

01:05:31.120 want to give fire to the to people who are opposing you you want to err on the side of yes the system

01:05:37.900 is corrupt and we're doing our best to solve this and something like the epstein files is the perfect

01:05:42.680 situation as he's pointing out here to kind of get those people on your side and keep them on

01:05:46.860 your side because they were on trump's side until basically epstein and when that happened they're

01:05:51.760 like wait actually maybe trump doesn't believe any of this stuff maybe all the people around him who

01:05:57.680 acknowledged this was a problem like tulsi gabbard and jd vance and cash patel and pam monday maybe

01:06:04.060 they're part of the bad guys instead of fighting the bad guys whether that's true or not i think

01:06:08.920 again i've said i don't think trump is probably the kind of guy who has like a bunch of pictures

01:06:13.980 of him with 10 year olds on, you know, Jeffrey Epstein Island. But the more you hide these

01:06:20.320 things, the more people assume you're on that side. And if you already know this is a force

01:06:24.980 in the country, then it's wise to keep yourself on that side, which is why I've said over and

01:06:28.200 over again, the Trump administration should have just released what they had with the files and

01:06:32.480 said, look, we know they're incomplete. We know they don't look good, but we are trying to be

01:06:36.140 the party of clarity. We're trying to be the party of honesty. We're trying to be the party

01:06:41.320 of transparency so even when we don't know all the answers even when we don't have everything

01:06:45.380 even when some of this might look sketchy for some republicans we're going to put it out there

01:06:49.740 anyway because at least then you're controlling the narrative instead they handed that narrative

01:06:54.420 entirely over to the left or to right wingers that didn't like them and they've been taking a

01:06:59.040 beating ever since people will vote against trump because of the war but honestly more people will

01:07:04.180 vote against trump because of the epstein stuff and that's just true and you got to fix that

01:07:11.320 Wild Speaker said, when someone makes one wrong term, I assume they're using a shortcut I didn't

01:07:15.620 know about. When they make a couple of wrong terms, I assume they are lost. And I should say

01:07:19.460 something. Exactly. Right. Like, again, so many people have just said, well, you're banning Donald

01:07:24.600 Trump. Don't be a panicking. Be the plan truster. Blah, blah, blah. The whole thing. And it's like,

01:07:31.800 look, man, you can appreciate Napoleon as a great general. But if you're saying, and ultimately he

01:07:38.480 was right about invading russia then you're dumb like you're you're not you're not a fan of napoleon

01:07:44.620 at that point you're a slave right like if he makes a obvious and critical mistake and you are 0.55

01:07:51.360 still selling him as like you know in that moment making just the 5d chess decision even after you've

01:07:58.520 seen the fallout well you're not a rational human being at that point you're just a sycophant

01:08:04.040 okay i can still say donald trump has done a lot of important things that i appreciate i can

01:08:08.360 still say that donald trump is better than any given alternative in the same way that i can say

01:08:12.120 napoleon is still a great general one of the greatest generals of all time even though he

01:08:16.220 made a mistake but russia is a mistake inner you know going into russia is still a mistake

01:08:21.400 and trump doing this in iran is still a mistake and i say that not because i hate trump or i hate

01:08:28.240 the republican party or i'm quitting all into that stuff because i want them to win but at some point

01:08:33.080 you have to hold people accountable for their decisions trump is not making good decisions

01:08:37.760 right now and i want to make better decisions so i'm going to keep saying that he should

01:08:41.020 uh mr jason is back the golem is warning little benji didn't listen uh look like i said

01:08:50.620 canis owens was built up by a lot of people not just ben shapiro but the daily wire was obviously

01:08:56.220 a big platform for her and made her very important so yeah i mean ultimately there is some level of

01:09:02.180 culpability there i don't think it all rests on daily wire and certainly not all on ben shapiro

01:09:06.520 So, uh, but obviously ultimately, you know, there, there's some percentage of them elevating

01:09:12.120 Candace Owens and giving her the audience today that you simply can't deny the new gym

01:09:17.520 says, uh, or maybe the GM, uh, the new GM says it is, uh, is it possible that Iran views

01:09:23.580 bleeding the USA over this war, a greater good for the world?

01:09:26.520 I mean, that's insane, but I think we are also insane for being in this conflict.

01:09:30.960 True.

01:09:31.180 uh but no i mean i don't think that iran is like you know selflessly sacrificing themselves slowly

01:09:37.680 over time because you know getting rid of america somehow good for the rest of the globe like i

01:09:43.020 don't think they're that altruistic and i think the you know honestly i believe that the level

01:09:48.500 of fanaticism we're told exists in iran is frankly overstated not that they aren't you know fanatical

01:09:54.780 at some level but it's pretty obvious that iran has you know understood where the escalation

01:10:00.140 escalation ladder sits uh they've been careful about their targeting to make sure that it doesn't

01:10:05.220 you know make things uh more hostile in certain areas uh they've behaved generally like a rational

01:10:10.980 actor um so i i you know i don't think that they're crazy before when they were you know

01:10:17.660 working the escalation ladder and predicting trump's moves and i don't think they're crazy

01:10:21.960 enough now to like lock trump into this death spiral so that they can save them the world from

01:10:27.340 Donald Trump or something or America. I just don't buy that. Like, I think that there again are

01:10:32.880 pockets of Iranian society that are completely fanatical, but I think it's probably less than

01:10:38.880 people make out and that works that cuts in both directions. All right, guys, we're going to go

01:10:45.500 ahead and wrap this up. But of course, I want to thank everybody for coming by and watching lots

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 13, 2026

Con Inc. Deserves Candace Owens ｜ 4⧸13⧸26

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