The Auron MacIntyre Show - Cons Inc. FAILS to Learn from Charlie Kirk's Assassination ｜ Guest： Seamus Coughlin

00:00:00.580 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:07.220 Believe it or not, it doesn't feel like it was that long ago where my guest today, Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes, was on and we were going to discuss something else,

00:00:17.020 but we had the breaking news that Charlie Kirk had been shot. At that time, we didn't know if he was going to die.

00:00:23.340 We were kind of just going as the news was coming out. However, ultimately, of course, we know Charlie was killed,

00:00:31.580 and in the wake of that, it seemed like for a moment the right was going to come together.

00:00:37.120 We were going to see all of these different factions, recognize what time it truly is and how dire the situation really is,

00:00:44.720 and put aside our differences and focus on defeating the left once and for all,

00:00:48.680 because we're literally in an existential crisis with people who want to kill us.

00:00:54.560 But only a few weeks later, we immediately saw a number of established conservative figures decide that actually what was really important

00:01:03.500 was to hunt down everybody who had ever made a Hitler joke in private one time,

00:01:07.660 and we should stop everything we're doing in order to weed out every one of those people instead of, you know, actually defeating the left.

00:01:15.620 I think this has been a disaster, and so I wanted to discuss this phenomenon and how it's basically turned into a conservative civil war at this point.

00:01:25.020 Seamus, thank you so much for coming back, man.

00:01:27.040 Yeah, man. Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me.

00:01:29.580 I'm glad we're going to get to have a chance to talk about some of this stuff.

00:01:32.680 It was obviously devastating. Last conversation we wanted to have, Charlie Kirk was murdered.

00:01:38.980 It was a horrible day for Americans everywhere.

00:01:41.320 It was a horrible day, obviously, first and foremost for him and his family, but also for our freedoms.

00:01:47.720 I think it was Mike Rowe who said this. It felt like the First Amendment had been shot.

00:01:52.300 This was a moderate conservative who was expressing his values on a college campus, and he was literally murdered.

00:01:59.300 And there's a lot to say about it, but obviously today's topic is the fact that the unity that we had for a very short period of time

00:02:07.680 on the right seems to have been squandered, and I believe the left basically found a way to pry us apart.

00:02:17.560 They're smart strategists. They know where the weaknesses are.

00:02:20.260 They know what they're going to be able to get people to fight over, and yeah, they were able to get that done, unfortunately.

00:02:25.120 And listen, hopefully, by the way, this is a productive enough conversation that we're able to convince some people

00:02:31.860 who might be on the other side of this issue, who might be conservatives, who don't agree with your approach or my approach to go,

00:02:38.560 you know what, actually, we should just put our differences aside right now and go after the left.

00:02:43.240 Yes. Yeah. Ultimately, this is a plea to get everyone back on track, not to settle the hash between whatever side.

00:02:52.040 We're not looking to say, no, we have to stop and do everything my way, just saying, no, we actually just need to stop this and defeat the left.

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00:04:03.480 All right, so Seamus, I have this incredible difficulty because I do not want, as I said,

00:04:14.680 like I really was hoping that post the Charlie Kirk assassination,

00:04:18.440 we would just be able to come together and recognize that no matter what is happening,

00:04:23.760 no matter what's going on, no matter what internecine disagreements we might have on the right,

00:04:29.540 the left is completely in the realm of political violence, wanting to kill you and your children,

00:04:36.780 making that as explicit as possible.

00:04:38.480 And I feel like that should be something that allows us to say, you know what,

00:04:44.600 however you feel about the propositional nation or debates on whether or not we should impose

00:04:51.240 Christian values or any of these things, ultimately not getting killed is a pretty good,

00:04:57.140 like just basic unifying thing, right?

00:05:00.020 Like we don't have to agree with everybody who's helping us to not be killed.

00:05:03.600 Just not being killed is a good way to bring these factions together.

00:05:08.620 And, you know, you just pointed out something that I think is critically important in this story,

00:05:13.400 which is that obviously the left did this with an eye to break up the right's momentum.

00:05:20.980 They know that after the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the leaking of the text message

00:05:26.240 from Jay Jones in Virginia, that they looked really bad, that there was a lot of ugly mud

00:05:32.440 on their face from this.

00:05:33.600 They looked like they really were embracing political violence and were celebrating it.

00:05:39.340 And so they needed something to break up that narrative, right?

00:05:42.420 They needed something that could get conservatives to fight each other,

00:05:46.800 to break away from the focus on what they were doing and the violence that the left is pushing.

00:05:52.360 And so they dropped this group chat story.

00:05:54.680 Now, none of these people are elected officials.

00:05:57.080 None of them hold any power.

00:05:58.600 There is no, you know, this is someone who's, and the stuff people are objecting to were all jokes.

00:06:05.780 Like Jay Jones literally called the person he was talking about, you know,

00:06:09.940 when he was talking about murdering conservatives and Republicans,

00:06:14.260 he called the Republican he was texting and assured her, no, he really meant it.

00:06:18.420 Like these were not jokes.

00:06:19.840 Yeah, he's not walking this back.

00:06:21.420 These were clearly private jokes.

00:06:23.340 And none of this needed to be an issue, but the left specifically framed it this way.

00:06:28.380 And now the right has fallen directly into the classic trap where they would rather chase

00:06:33.420 the story that has been waved in front of them by the liberal media,

00:06:36.840 because it's so important for them to prove their moral superiority to, I don't know,

00:06:42.240 Nick Fuentes or somebody.

00:06:43.760 And ultimately they end up destroying everything that the right was doing,

00:06:48.240 because it was so important for them to stop and just, you know, flex their moral superiority.

00:06:53.340 Well, and it surrenders frame.

00:06:55.200 And by the way, I totally understand.

00:06:57.300 And I can almost sympathize with the drive to say, those jokes were bad.

00:07:01.340 I do want to say something about this.

00:07:02.880 I don't want to be as bad as the left.

00:07:04.600 I think there are well-meaning people who have fallen into this trap,

00:07:07.180 which is why I would argue it was very cleverly set.

00:07:10.020 But at the end of the day, part of living in truth is recognizing the full context of any news story

00:07:14.940 that's put in front of you.

00:07:16.160 And the reason that the media published this, the reason they pushed this as hard as they did

00:07:20.460 is because they want you to forget about Jay Jones.

00:07:22.300 They want you to think that there's an equivalence between these things.

00:07:25.440 They also want you to think there's an equivalence between right-wing rhetoric as it currently stands

00:07:29.620 and where the Overton window is with respect to either political faction calling for actual violence

00:07:34.640 as opposed to making bad jokes or offensive statements.

00:07:38.260 And the reality is the left has openly celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination.

00:07:42.420 They continue to do so.

00:07:43.960 There's a photo that's going viral from the No Kings march of a group of communists

00:07:48.580 with a tent set up where they have flyers saying Charlie Kirk had it coming.

00:07:54.260 I mean, the media doesn't spend a single moment condemning any of this,

00:07:57.100 and then they turn around and say,

00:07:58.300 you need to condemn private jokes made in a private group chat.

00:08:00.780 Now, to be clear, if you had a Republican official running for office

00:08:06.100 who was saying those things unironically,

00:08:09.720 yes, it would be worthy of condemnation.

00:08:12.420 That is not what's happening.

00:08:13.900 They want you to behave as if that is what is happening.

00:08:17.860 We have to live in truth.

00:08:18.940 We have to recognize reality for what it is.

00:08:22.080 And there's a very simple move here, right?

00:08:24.620 Like there's the easiest move in the world,

00:08:26.400 which is you say, yeah, group chats weren't great.

00:08:29.860 Shouldn't talk like that.

00:08:30.820 And then you just move on, right?

00:08:32.260 Yes, exactly.

00:08:33.840 It's a four-second discussion.

00:08:35.780 You're not approving the behavior.

00:08:37.500 You're not encouraging behavior.

00:08:39.420 You're not siding with the behavior,

00:08:41.220 but you're not spending news cycles on it.

00:08:44.580 You're not calling to condemn, to denounce, to cancel.

00:08:48.280 You're not looking to bring...

00:08:49.600 Remember 10 seconds ago when all these very, very principled conservatives were saying,

00:08:56.520 but we're against cancel culture.

00:08:57.840 We have to stop cancel culture.

00:08:59.320 That's why we can't put any pressure on Jimmy Kimmel.

00:09:01.120 And those exact same people are turning around

00:09:03.840 and trying to cancel conservatives for using the wrong jokes in private.

00:09:08.400 Again, you don't have to agree with the behavior.

00:09:10.960 But as you point out, the No Kings protests just show us

00:09:14.260 that the left has not stepped away from this at all.

00:09:16.700 In addition to that picture you were talking about,

00:09:18.940 there's also a Hispanic woman with a Mexican flag

00:09:21.860 who is mocking Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:09:23.960 She's pointing at her throat and shooting, right?

00:09:26.940 Like trying to say, we're going to shoot you in the throat.

00:09:29.560 We're going to shoot more of you in the throat.

00:09:31.000 She's a school teacher, right?

00:09:32.960 Like this is not a situation that is analogous, okay?

00:09:37.880 The left is celebrating murder.

00:09:39.780 They are pushing for murder.

00:09:40.980 And these are the people who are teaching your children,

00:09:43.280 who are caring for people in hospitals.

00:09:47.920 Like these are very, very dangerous people to have wishing death upon you

00:09:52.900 because they have your health, your wellbeing, your children.

00:09:56.260 This is just nothing, nothing like the young Republican thing.

00:10:00.060 And so the fact that they were not able to simply stay on focus and say,

00:10:04.020 okay, yep, not the way we behave.

00:10:05.540 Don't do that again.

00:10:06.640 Now, how about you guys murdering Charlie Kirk?

00:10:09.240 Let's talk about that some more.

00:10:10.900 And somehow they completely lost the ball.

00:10:12.920 Again, it's almost like they're paid to do that.

00:10:15.360 It's almost like if I didn't think these people actually did believe

00:10:19.700 in their own moral superiority,

00:10:20.740 I would swear they're being paid by the opposition

00:10:23.400 to control the conservative movement.

00:10:25.940 Well, I'll add this too.

00:10:26.820 If I want to try to maybe steel man my opponent's argument here,

00:10:29.520 I could say there might be conservatives who are concerned

00:10:31.540 about the direction the right is going in and they're thinking,

00:10:33.720 well, these things start as jokes and then eventually it becomes serious

00:10:38.040 and they want to do that and that's what happened on the left.

00:10:40.300 But it really isn't what happened on the left.

00:10:42.240 Actually, the left started by saying we need to punch Nazis.

00:10:45.520 They were speaking very earnestly and then they just expanded

00:10:48.100 the definition of what a Nazi was.

00:10:50.800 So the left at no point in time ever joked about any of this.

00:10:56.260 They've always been very serious about political violence

00:10:58.700 and they've always said so openly and surprise, surprise,

00:11:02.360 the end result has been that there's more political violence

00:11:04.820 and that by and large, even the moderates on the left

00:11:07.340 are willing to accept it.

00:11:09.060 So I think, again, we just need to be sober about what's happening.

00:11:11.680 Like you said, we can and should say, okay, yeah,

00:11:14.200 you shouldn't say those things.

00:11:15.260 You shouldn't joke like that.

00:11:16.260 But a bunch of people in a private group chat

00:11:18.480 don't actually affect my life to the same degree

00:11:20.700 that elected leaders do.

00:11:22.160 And these elected leaders aren't just joking.

00:11:23.980 They're literally explicitly calling for violence.

00:11:26.920 That's a much more serious problem.

00:11:28.780 And we should probably stay laser focused on that,

00:11:31.540 especially when the response from civil authorities

00:11:34.440 has not been what it's needed to be

00:11:36.440 in order to curtail this behavior.

00:11:38.720 All right, we have not seen the kinds of arrests

00:11:40.700 that we would need to see in order to prevent something like this

00:11:43.120 from happening again in the future.

00:11:44.580 And until those arrests are made,

00:11:46.520 until Antifa isn't just declared a terror group,

00:11:49.000 but is really and truly treated like a terrorist organization,

00:11:52.320 the way a government that's trying to defend its people

00:11:54.800 from violent lunatics would treat a terrorist organization,

00:11:57.500 we need to be very loud and very clear

00:12:00.700 about the fact that our lives are in danger

00:12:03.080 and we are being failed by the people we elected

00:12:05.820 in order to protect us.

00:12:07.900 Yeah, that seems huge, right?

00:12:09.980 Like this is not somebody got fired from their job.

00:12:14.580 You know, they couldn't speak on a university

00:12:16.780 because he got booed too much.

00:12:18.440 Like this is the end of free speech.

00:12:21.580 Like you can't have a country in free speech

00:12:23.960 where the speaker gets shot in the throat, right?

00:12:25.900 Like it's just not an option.

00:12:27.540 So when we say this is existential,

00:12:30.080 like we really mean it.

00:12:31.300 That's not hyperbole.

00:12:32.420 The country cannot continue as intended in this manner.

00:12:36.840 Something drastic has to change.

00:12:38.840 And yet it feels like we're still having debates,

00:12:42.160 like we're back in the 1990s, right?

00:12:45.340 Like we're just trying to tell Bill Clinton

00:12:47.160 to reduce the marginal tax rate,

00:12:49.060 as opposed to like, no, there's like a shooting war

00:12:52.220 that could break out

00:12:53.440 if you don't actually fix this problem.

00:12:55.980 And it's interesting because this is divided

00:12:57.660 even between, you know, different voices

00:13:00.660 in, you know, kind of the same sphere.

00:13:02.880 You got guys like Matt Walsh, you know,

00:13:05.500 completely disagreeing with Ben Shapiro on this.

00:13:07.960 And it's such a strange frame

00:13:10.080 because I've seen, for instance, Shapiro saying,

00:13:13.180 well, you know, really what it is

00:13:15.420 is that the left has let their radicals go too far

00:13:17.820 and we didn't, that's why we're winning.

00:13:19.760 First, if you think like conservatives

00:13:21.700 have just won in perpetuity at this point,

00:13:23.620 you've lost your mind, right?

00:13:24.740 Like that's not even close to the case.

00:13:26.340 But also you should remember,

00:13:28.360 like actually Donald Trump was considered a radical.

00:13:32.080 His followers were considered radical

00:13:34.680 by Ben Shapiro among other people, right?

00:13:37.460 Like that's where the whole

00:13:38.500 never Trump movement came from.

00:13:40.380 A lot of those guys are still now kind of Trump, right?

00:13:43.200 Like, but they're trying to pretend

00:13:44.760 like they're the ones who get to decide

00:13:46.120 and define what the Trump legacy is.

00:13:48.020 But of course, all the things that Trump is doing now

00:13:49.980 from, you know, deploying the National Guard

00:13:53.000 to keep the peace in different American cities,

00:13:55.480 talking about mass deportations,

00:13:58.100 trying to end foreign wars.

00:13:59.880 These were not things that were part

00:14:02.140 of the Republican platform 10 years ago.

00:14:04.460 Donald Trump made them part of the platform.

00:14:07.300 You know, tariffs, reshoring, reshoring business.

00:14:10.840 These are all things that the establishment conservative

00:14:14.000 kind of complex was pushing back against.

00:14:17.860 They hated him for this.

00:14:19.320 This is why they tried to drive him out.

00:14:21.000 And this is also why they tried to replace him

00:14:22.460 with Ron DeSantis once they thought they could.

00:14:25.160 These people are not pro-Trump.

00:14:26.660 They were never pro-Trump.

00:14:28.040 They always hated Trump.

00:14:29.440 They always hated Trump's followers.

00:14:30.620 They always thought all parts of this were too radical.

00:14:33.140 And now they're like, well, no,

00:14:34.040 I get to define what is over the line

00:14:36.100 in the new Trump administration.

00:14:37.800 And it's like, no, guys, actually, you don't.

00:14:40.440 And the idea that, well, if we just dial it back

00:14:43.280 and we be moderate while the left embraces its radicals,

00:14:47.700 well, that's not what got Donald Trump elected twice.

00:14:50.640 So actually that narrative is just entirely false.

00:14:53.760 Well, you have to remember the things

00:14:54.720 that the establishment pushed back against Trump on

00:14:57.600 were all of the positions that he was more right-wing on.

00:15:00.240 Trump has plenty of positions

00:15:01.260 that are actually pretty left-wing

00:15:02.720 that the Republican establishment

00:15:03.900 did not do much to push back against.

00:15:05.780 And I consider that to be unfortunate, actually.

00:15:08.240 I think Trump needs to be better on a number of issues.

00:15:10.280 He needs to be better on the life issue.

00:15:11.580 He needs to be better on gay marriage.

00:15:13.340 He needs to be better to some extent,

00:15:15.180 even on transgenderism,

00:15:16.260 even though he's done some good things there

00:15:17.940 and pushing back against it.

00:15:19.460 But of course, the establishment Republicans

00:15:20.900 didn't really care about any of that.

00:15:22.500 Their concern was that he wanted to close the border,

00:15:24.400 that he wanted mass deportations,

00:15:25.940 that he wanted to do the things

00:15:27.180 that you should actually expect a conservative

00:15:29.440 or right-wing leader to do in your country

00:15:32.000 if they get elected,

00:15:33.040 especially after the border's been left wide open

00:15:35.260 for four straight years.

00:15:36.840 So I agree with you.

00:15:37.460 It's really difficult to take the establishment seriously

00:15:39.660 when they say these things.

00:15:41.280 And Trump has shaped the Republican Party

00:15:44.140 for better or for worse.

00:15:46.200 He's done some great things to the party.

00:15:47.960 I think he's done some awful things to the party.

00:15:49.980 The establishment has pretty much only been upset

00:15:51.860 about the good things he's done in typical fashion.

00:15:54.780 Now, what I'm really worried about here,

00:15:57.060 and this is what we talked about last time,

00:15:58.760 is whether he's going to go the distance

00:16:01.720 in actually prosecuting our enemies

00:16:04.120 and in actually protecting us from the radicals

00:16:07.160 who have spoken very clearly about the fact

00:16:09.440 that they do want to kill us.

00:16:11.600 I mean, if he only goes halfway with this

00:16:14.040 and then we lose the next election,

00:16:17.540 I don't think people realize

00:16:18.780 how bad the retaliation from the left is going to be.

00:16:21.400 I mean, they murdered Charlie Kirk

00:16:23.960 while Trump was in office under Republican leadership.

00:16:26.780 And not only that, because maybe if you want,

00:16:31.500 I think it's dishonest, but if you want,

00:16:33.680 you can write this off as one crazy radical

00:16:36.500 who went and did this.

00:16:38.340 But the entirety of the left

00:16:40.500 is either openly celebrating it

00:16:43.260 or they're doing this bitchy, passive-aggressive,

00:16:47.540 mealy-mouthed non-condemnation

00:16:49.320 where they go, well, they shouldn't have done it,

00:16:51.000 but he was a radical who said horrible things

00:16:53.300 and we shouldn't be surprised.

00:16:54.780 This is what they're doing

00:16:56.620 when a Republican is in office.

00:16:58.080 And not just that,

00:16:58.960 this is what they're doing

00:16:59.620 when the Republican who they're constantly telling us

00:17:02.460 is a big, scary fascist is in office.

00:17:05.200 So what do you think they're going to do

00:17:08.180 if they win the next election?

00:17:10.540 What do you think they're going to do

00:17:12.220 if their radicals who have promised

00:17:14.840 to do us significant bodily harm

00:17:17.020 aren't put in prison?

00:17:18.480 What are they going to do

00:17:19.880 if the networks for funding these radicals

00:17:22.700 are not sufficiently investigated?

00:17:25.340 And people will say things like,

00:17:27.340 oh my gosh, have Republicans and conservatives

00:17:29.140 abandoned their principles?

00:17:30.340 They're talking about acting outside of the law.

00:17:32.360 No, actually, if we just thoroughly enforced the law

00:17:36.580 as it currently stands,

00:17:39.000 none of this would be happening.

00:17:40.760 It's not legal to openly call for violence.

00:17:43.500 It's not legal to fund terrorist organizations.

00:17:47.740 But we don't do anything about it.

00:17:50.320 Like the right isn't doing anything about it.

00:17:53.340 And instead of putting immense pressure,

00:17:55.440 I mean, this is an unprecedented situation, isn't it?

00:17:58.100 We have an assassination

00:17:59.620 that took place in broad daylight.

00:18:02.160 Many on the left are celebrating it.

00:18:03.540 The dominant media culture

00:18:04.580 seems to have made it perfectly clear

00:18:06.100 that not only will they not outright condemn it,

00:18:08.840 but they'll sort of dog whistle

00:18:12.060 that they think it was okay.

00:18:13.500 And we have a Republican administration in place

00:18:17.460 that said it was going to do something

00:18:19.580 and really is not doing as much as it needs to.

00:18:23.480 And instead of staying laser focused about that,

00:18:26.580 Republicans are allowing themselves

00:18:27.940 and conservatives are allowing themselves

00:18:29.280 to be distracted.

00:18:30.480 We got to stop.

00:18:32.360 I agree 100%.

00:18:33.980 You make an excellent point that

00:18:36.460 he who runs half a revolution

00:18:39.340 digs his own grave, right?

00:18:41.120 That's right.

00:18:41.280 You have to recognize that

00:18:43.660 even if all we're doing

00:18:44.940 is restoring America

00:18:46.280 back to constitutional governance, right?

00:18:49.020 Like just that,

00:18:50.020 like not violating the constitution,

00:18:51.460 not violating the law,

00:18:52.620 just restoring us back

00:18:54.180 to constitutional governance.

00:18:55.320 We are so far from constitutional governance

00:18:57.960 that just returning to it

00:18:59.660 is itself a revolution.

00:19:01.240 So understand,

00:19:02.520 like you are essentially

00:19:04.220 in a revolutionary setting

00:19:05.620 one way or another, right?

00:19:06.700 Maybe you want to call it

00:19:07.300 the counter-revolution,

00:19:08.000 but that's what's happening here.

00:19:10.340 And as you point out,

00:19:11.660 if you think,

00:19:13.220 if they thought that they were

00:19:14.800 like crazy,

00:19:17.880 you know,

00:19:18.120 battling against fascist authoritarians

00:19:20.060 or whatever

00:19:20.460 before this administration,

00:19:23.040 they will most certainly

00:19:24.160 turn that up to 11 afterwards, right?

00:19:26.980 Like as crazy as you might think it is,

00:19:28.780 it's only going to get more crazy.

00:19:30.820 And if you do not recognize that,

00:19:32.800 if you do not realize this,

00:19:34.800 then you are a fool.

00:19:35.940 Like if you are sitting there saying,

00:19:37.640 well, no, you know,

00:19:38.940 we won the election

00:19:39.960 and so Trump is in power

00:19:41.420 and so things are back to normal

00:19:42.900 and everything's fine.

00:19:43.880 This is what conservatives always do.

00:19:46.180 They always win an election.

00:19:47.240 They always win an election.

00:19:47.260 They always win a gene advertisement.

00:19:48.540 America's back.

00:19:49.140 And the woke is done.

00:19:50.200 Right, yeah, exactly.

00:19:51.520 Right, this is always conservatives do.

00:19:53.060 They win one election

00:19:53.980 and then they're like,

00:19:54.940 oh, guess it's done.

00:19:56.040 We fixed the problem.

00:19:57.000 No, no.

00:19:58.100 This is why the left wins

00:19:59.280 because when they win the election,

00:20:01.100 they know that is one step

00:20:03.220 and a thousand to power.

00:20:04.380 That's the beginning.

00:20:05.420 That's the beginning.

00:20:07.080 Exactly.

00:20:08.000 No, that's exactly right.

00:20:09.240 I mean, completely agreed.

00:20:10.960 I don't know what people think

00:20:11.860 is going to happen.

00:20:12.720 Like, listen, dude,

00:20:13.380 I don't know about you.

00:20:14.560 I don't plan on changing my views

00:20:16.220 anytime soon, right?

00:20:18.240 I'm still going to be here in 2028.

00:20:21.680 The radicals on the left

00:20:23.040 who want to kill guys like you and me,

00:20:25.880 which is just honestly to say normal people

00:20:27.960 because it's not even just fellas like us

00:20:29.700 not to call you and I normal, right?

00:20:31.460 Let's, I don't want to engage

00:20:32.280 in false advertisement here,

00:20:33.480 but these leftist radicals,

00:20:35.940 like they don't just want to do us harm.

00:20:38.340 Any normal person is a Nazi to them.

00:20:41.640 Anyone who believes in like the nuclear family,

00:20:44.100 even anyone who's just white, right?

00:20:45.660 Because whiteness is an ideology

00:20:48.620 that promotes systems

00:20:49.880 that disenfranchise people of color,

00:20:51.460 et cetera, et cetera.

00:20:52.900 Like these people aren't going to go away

00:20:54.560 in 2028 either.

00:20:56.900 We have two factions, like you said.

00:20:58.840 Some of us want to restore

00:21:00.980 like a constitutional Republican style of government.

00:21:04.580 Others want to continue to push

00:21:06.500 in the direction of communism.

00:21:09.200 That's not going to disappear overnight.

00:21:11.180 So what is the Trump administration

00:21:12.960 going to do to protect us again

00:21:15.080 against the people who have explicitly said

00:21:16.680 they want to do us harm?

00:21:17.700 Like this doesn't go away overnight.

00:21:19.380 This does not go away overnight.

00:21:21.180 And we can't make it.

00:21:22.780 Like, I'm sorry, man.

00:21:23.820 If we could just snap our fingers

00:21:25.460 and have everything go back to normal,

00:21:27.300 maybe that's a conversation we could have.

00:21:28.760 But people say like,

00:21:29.440 we need to restore normalcy.

00:21:31.160 Well, how do you plan on doing that?

00:21:32.660 If like anything that even comes close

00:21:34.560 to resembling normalcy

00:21:35.500 is basically just you being able

00:21:37.380 to exist in a country which is safe.

00:21:39.540 And at this point,

00:21:40.400 the only way the country is going to be safe

00:21:42.520 is if the terror organizations

00:21:44.280 that have previously been able to run free

00:21:46.160 and do whatever they want

00:21:47.000 are prosecuted and imprisoned

00:21:48.500 and kept off the streets.

00:21:51.360 You know, I'm going to butcher

00:21:52.680 this Julius Caesar quote,

00:21:54.040 but it's something to the effect of,

00:21:55.820 you know, it's easy to find men

00:21:57.260 to die in one glorious combat.

00:22:00.200 It's impossible to find men

00:22:01.400 who will suffer day in and day out.

00:22:03.360 And it's really so true of the conservatives.

00:22:06.380 You can get a lot of energy going, right?

00:22:08.620 You can say, okay,

00:22:09.260 we got to get this one thing done,

00:22:10.960 but you can't get them to stay on task, right?

00:22:14.080 Like the minute anything runs in front of them,

00:22:17.140 they immediately just go chasing it.

00:22:18.680 And that's exactly what happened

00:22:20.360 with this story, right?

00:22:22.140 Like you needed to recognize,

00:22:23.460 and I'm with you,

00:22:24.180 I'm glad to see that

00:22:25.040 the Trump administration

00:22:25.700 is taking some steps, right?

00:22:27.820 They finally started arresting

00:22:29.300 some of the people doing terrorism.

00:22:30.980 They keep promising

00:22:32.100 that they're going after

00:22:32.920 the financial networks

00:22:33.880 and building the cases against the NGOs.

00:22:36.080 I hope that's true.

00:22:37.840 Obviously, I know building a RICO case

00:22:40.220 is going to take time,

00:22:41.600 and so it's not something

00:22:42.260 that just happens in a week.

00:22:43.460 But it was very clear for a while

00:22:45.800 that the Trump administration

00:22:46.860 was losing control of the streets, right?

00:22:48.880 And that's where things get very bad

00:22:50.540 because if you have people

00:22:51.960 constantly trying to shoot ICE agents,

00:22:54.240 bomb ICE agents,

00:22:55.460 assault ICE agents,

00:22:56.920 you can't just let them go home, right?

00:22:59.520 Like you can't just arrest them

00:23:01.020 and then slap them on the wrist.

00:23:02.760 You have to hit these people

00:23:03.920 with federal charges,

00:23:05.220 pull them out of the jurisdictions

00:23:06.240 that are protecting them,

00:23:07.620 make sure that they pay serious prices.

00:23:10.120 And we've only seen a little bit of that

00:23:12.040 from the Trump administration so far.

00:23:14.500 And the only reason

00:23:16.180 I think we even saw some of that

00:23:17.660 was ultimately that

00:23:18.520 we were all collectively pushing

00:23:20.060 to see serious action taken.

00:23:22.720 And yet the minute

00:23:24.120 that a bunch of people, you know,

00:23:26.420 get any kind of story

00:23:27.460 waved in front of their face,

00:23:28.360 oh, look, someone said mean things

00:23:29.600 in a group chat.

00:23:30.520 It's immediately got to devolve into this.

00:23:33.120 And I think it's not.

00:23:34.780 So there's a couple of things happening, right?

00:23:36.620 What I think the people who are,

00:23:38.300 you know, this is what I hear

00:23:38.940 most often from these guys as well.

00:23:40.720 Well, I'm not going to ally with Nazis.

00:23:43.080 I don't care.

00:23:44.000 I'm not going to ally with Nazis.

00:23:47.100 And it doesn't matter how,

00:23:48.360 if we win, if we win with Nazis on our side,

00:23:51.020 then it just doesn't work.

00:23:52.760 Well, first, a couple of things, right?

00:23:54.300 Like in World War II,

00:23:55.620 you sided with the communists, right?

00:23:57.360 Like Stalin was evil.

00:23:59.700 He was just as evil,

00:24:00.580 if not more evil than Hitler.

00:24:01.700 But there was no way

00:24:02.360 we were going to be able to fight

00:24:03.320 both of them simultaneously.

00:24:04.660 So we had to make a choice.

00:24:06.120 And so we sided with one of them, right?

00:24:07.880 That doesn't mean we have to like them.

00:24:08.960 Doesn't mean every American GI endorsed communism.

00:24:11.960 It just meant that at the time we had to win.

00:24:14.280 Second, there is no real Nazi threat.

00:24:16.560 Okay.

00:24:16.820 I'm sorry.

00:24:17.360 I know some,

00:24:18.300 some people are making edgy Hitler jokes.

00:24:20.480 Tell them to stop making,

00:24:21.440 you know,

00:24:22.680 edgy Hitler jokes and grow up.

00:24:24.140 Fine.

00:24:24.920 But like,

00:24:25.400 this is not a real thing.

00:24:26.520 Okay.

00:24:26.760 I'm sorry.

00:24:27.180 But the third Reich is not reconstituting itself.

00:24:30.120 Slavery isn't coming back.

00:24:31.280 And if you believe that stuff,

00:24:32.920 you're just a leftist.

00:24:34.180 Cause that's what the leftists have been saying

00:24:35.620 the entire time secretly.

00:24:37.060 It turns out all of Americans were,

00:24:39.680 are really just secretly fascists and racist.

00:24:42.360 And that's what the conservative leadership believes.

00:24:45.220 So if they don't spend all of their time crushing

00:24:47.200 every ounce and turn themselves to anti-fascist crusaders,

00:24:50.400 then ultimately,

00:24:51.480 you know,

00:24:52.180 we're going to,

00:24:52.680 we're going to lose.

00:24:53.320 And it's like,

00:24:53.820 no,

00:24:54.120 that that's not how this works.

00:24:56.020 You can work with people.

00:24:57.320 You don't completely agree with,

00:24:58.600 and you can recognize that they are not the same thing

00:25:00.780 as a violent left that is trying to kill you.

00:25:02.660 Well,

00:25:03.140 exactly.

00:25:03.640 So you're right when they say,

00:25:05.200 well,

00:25:05.320 I'm not going to make an alliance with Nazis.

00:25:07.660 This is kind of a,

00:25:09.220 when did you stop beating your wife style question slash statement

00:25:12.920 where baked into it,

00:25:14.260 there is the assumption that you,

00:25:15.980 my interlocutor is actually doing something reprehensible.

00:25:19.080 No one's talking about making an alliance with Nazis.

00:25:22.740 We're saying we don't need to discard like human waste,

00:25:27.840 any person in our movement who the left accuses of being a Nazi.

00:25:32.660 It seems very obvious,

00:25:37.140 right?

00:25:37.360 Like,

00:25:37.560 like obviously people are not looking around and being like,

00:25:40.860 oh boy,

00:25:41.240 I'm really excited about that one guy who shared a Hitler meme.

00:25:44.480 And I definitely want him to lead my movement.

00:25:46.400 That's not what's happening.

00:25:48.000 It's just,

00:25:48.400 it's just saying,

00:25:49.520 Hey,

00:25:49.980 let's,

00:25:50.520 let's not stop literally everything we're doing to try to defeat the

00:25:54.220 left.

00:25:54.480 So we can argue with each other about whether or not like this one

00:25:58.880 Hitler meme is the most dangerous thing to ever exist in the world.

00:26:03.480 Right?

00:26:03.800 It's fine.

00:26:04.840 Nobody's a Nazi anymore.

00:26:06.500 Fascism is dead.

00:26:07.860 Move on.

00:26:08.480 Just be an adult and move on.

00:26:10.300 Okay.

00:26:10.540 The people you're trying to fight now are literally the communists.

00:26:13.800 Like as you point out,

00:26:15.640 like literal communists at these protests,

00:26:17.880 supporting the idea of communism,

00:26:19.880 murdering Charlie Kirk.

00:26:21.020 Yeah.

00:26:21.380 Yeah.

00:26:21.840 Right.

00:26:22.140 Well,

00:26:22.360 that's,

00:26:22.720 that's exactly right.

00:26:23.760 Like someone making an idiotic offensive joke.

00:26:26.880 Again,

00:26:27.200 that's an idiotic offensive joke.

00:26:28.760 That is not the same as a public statement that violence against you and

00:26:32.900 your family is good and moral.

00:26:34.800 We can't treat these things like they're on the same level.

00:26:37.500 I know I probably sound like a broken record at this point,

00:26:39.700 but I just really want to stress that these are not the same thing.

00:26:43.800 Yeah,

00:26:44.560 absolutely.

00:26:45.260 And look,

00:26:46.020 I get it.

00:26:46.960 Like there's a lot of people who are very touchy.

00:26:49.700 It's I'll just say it.

00:26:51.080 Cause it's,

00:26:51.520 it's impossible not to notice that most of the people who are really

00:26:55.460 obsessed about like this group chat and,

00:26:57.920 and having to stop the entire movement to talk about it.

00:27:01.000 They're all pretty big fans of Israel.

00:27:02.460 Right.

00:27:02.840 And so like,

00:27:03.620 if,

00:27:03.940 if there's,

00:27:04.500 if there was some joke about Hitler,

00:27:05.760 then like,

00:27:06.440 we need to stop and we got to figure this out.

00:27:08.080 It's like,

00:27:08.440 guys,

00:27:08.860 again,

00:27:09.880 I understand you're touchy about it.

00:27:11.480 I get why.

00:27:12.160 Like,

00:27:12.500 I don't,

00:27:13.020 I don't want to,

00:27:13.440 I don't want to see a lot of people,

00:27:15.180 you know,

00:27:16.040 being like super hateful to Jewish people.

00:27:18.500 I get that.

00:27:19.340 I don't want to see people advocating,

00:27:20.560 you know,

00:27:21.240 violence against,

00:27:22.180 against Jewish people or anything,

00:27:23.620 but that's just not where we are.

00:27:24.760 Right.

00:27:24.980 Like,

00:27:25.160 that's just not what's happening right now.

00:27:27.500 And the idea that like,

00:27:29.160 you need to immediately like throw the entire conservative movement into

00:27:32.960 turmoil and make it impossible for us to push what needs to be done so

00:27:37.000 that you can like cancel five guys somewhere because they triggered like your

00:27:41.460 insecurity on this issue.

00:27:42.940 It's just insane.

00:27:44.120 It has to stop.

00:27:45.000 This has to stop being what dictates our political strategy in the United

00:27:49.360 States.

00:27:49.800 We cannot be obsessed with world war two and the Holocaust forever.

00:27:54.540 It's in the history.

00:27:55.840 It's in the past.

00:27:57.140 Move on,

00:27:58.040 move on,

00:27:58.600 be an adult.

00:27:59.540 Well,

00:27:59.600 but again,

00:28:00.060 this is also why I said,

00:28:01.020 I completely understand someone going like,

00:28:02.480 yeah,

00:28:02.680 I don't like those jokes.

00:28:03.680 And this is what we were saying earlier.

00:28:04.860 Yeah.

00:28:05.160 Those are not good jokes to make.

00:28:06.780 Those are,

00:28:07.460 that is offensive humor,

00:28:09.000 et cetera.

00:28:09.420 We don't like that.

00:28:10.860 It's just a question of whether this is something that rises to the level of

00:28:14.820 what the left is doing,

00:28:15.800 which it just obviously doesn't.

00:28:17.400 I mean,

00:28:17.660 it,

00:28:18.000 it obviously doesn't.

00:28:19.400 So what we should be doing as a movement right now is staying unified in

00:28:23.160 calling for the people who like literally do want to kill us.

00:28:26.100 Because by the way,

00:28:27.380 regardless of where you stand on any of these issues,

00:28:30.060 regardless of whether you support Israel or not,

00:28:33.200 the person most likely to kill you is probably a radical leftist,

00:28:38.600 right?

00:28:38.840 Like no,

00:28:39.660 no one from this group chat was going to climb on top of a building and

00:28:44.660 shoot at you with a sniper rifle.

00:28:46.800 Okay.

00:28:47.960 That's not within the reasonable realm of expectation.

00:28:51.980 The people who are saying,

00:28:53.500 let's kill the Nazis,

00:28:55.220 the people on the left who are saying,

00:28:56.320 let's kill the Nazis.

00:28:56.900 Like,

00:28:57.140 I don't know if you've noticed,

00:28:58.460 but they also consider Jewish people,

00:29:00.620 Nazis.

00:29:00.900 They consider people who do support Israel Nazis.

00:29:03.820 So that's your threat.

00:29:05.280 Like if you're going to be worried about genuine violence from any group of

00:29:08.040 people,

00:29:08.360 probably the ones who are actually doing the violence and calling for more

00:29:11.220 of it.

00:29:11.840 Yeah.

00:29:12.420 And Charlie Kirk.

00:29:13.400 And by the way,

00:29:14.320 like Charlie Kirk was notorious.

00:29:16.180 He was like,

00:29:16.720 famously pro Israel.

00:29:18.660 So again,

00:29:20.140 if you want to talk about who the actual threat is to you,

00:29:22.740 if that's your,

00:29:23.540 your number one issue,

00:29:24.540 it's still the radical left.

00:29:27.400 That's exactly right.

00:29:28.500 Like who,

00:29:29.080 who is more dangerous to a Republican Jewish person,

00:29:33.620 some guy making a Hitler joke or leftist who will literally literally shoot at

00:29:37.680 you or,

00:29:38.400 or,

00:29:38.620 or we'll send agents of the state to arrest you for being a conservative,

00:29:42.660 right?

00:29:43.060 Like,

00:29:43.380 sorry,

00:29:44.140 but the left is just far more dangerous to you.

00:29:46.300 So even if this is your primary concern,

00:29:48.020 even if that is like what you truly fear,

00:29:50.720 even in that mindset,

00:29:52.320 even with that goal set,

00:29:53.940 like obviously the left and it's communist agenda,

00:29:58.020 it's violent agenda is far more dangerous to you,

00:30:00.460 even as an Israeli supporter or a Jewish person in the United States.

00:30:04.120 It's just,

00:30:04.720 it's,

00:30:04.980 it's just not even close.

00:30:06.000 And everyone knows that every,

00:30:07.500 everyone understands that.

00:30:08.960 So again,

00:30:10.040 I,

00:30:10.280 I just,

00:30:11.180 this is a call,

00:30:12.120 right?

00:30:12.680 This is,

00:30:13.100 this is once again,

00:30:13.820 a call to people who are obsessed with this.

00:30:16.340 We have got to move on.

00:30:17.840 Okay.

00:30:18.340 I understand.

00:30:19.260 I disagree with plenty of people on the right and I will continue to disagree with

00:30:24.020 them,

00:30:24.260 but this is not the time.

00:30:25.940 Like I'm not spending one ounce of energy getting any person I disagree with on

00:30:30.460 the right canceled right now.

00:30:31.500 Yeah.

00:30:31.860 And by the way,

00:30:32.700 it's not,

00:30:33.040 and I'll say this,

00:30:35.060 that also goes for the people who disagree with us on this.

00:30:38.520 Like if,

00:30:39.120 if you have just been,

00:30:40.400 if you've just been condemning this group chat and you've been outspoken on this,

00:30:43.640 listen,

00:30:44.300 I think you took the bait.

00:30:45.340 I think you focused on the wrong thing.

00:30:47.500 I think you put your energy in the wrong place.

00:30:49.220 I am still very happy to work with you on everything else here.

00:30:51.700 This is too important.

00:30:52.620 Like we've got to get this done.

00:30:53.840 We've got to set this aside.

00:30:55.000 We've got to move forward.

00:30:56.240 We've got to solve the problems that are actually facing us.

00:30:58.260 Like we,

00:30:58.820 we really do need to be concerned about the fact that there are people who want to

00:31:02.300 enact violence against us in that it's so socially acceptable for them to call for it.

00:31:07.200 I mean,

00:31:07.540 I,

00:31:07.760 I know we talked about this earlier,

00:31:09.640 but the Jay Jones situation is just insane.

00:31:13.080 Like you said,

00:31:13.900 he,

00:31:14.160 he has a phone call,

00:31:15.120 whether you can tell based on the text messages too,

00:31:17.860 that this is not the first time that they've talked about this.

00:31:21.700 Like it makes it pretty clear.

00:31:22.860 I think she says something like you were saying this before,

00:31:25.840 or we talked about this last time.

00:31:27.420 I mean,

00:31:28.460 I listen,

00:31:29.700 I don't know anyone on the right who even at their absolute worst is fantasizing about the children of leftists dying in their arms.

00:31:40.440 Right.

00:31:40.800 What,

00:31:40.960 what right-wingers actually spend most of their time doing is advocating for the safety of children who would be harmed by left-wingers,

00:31:51.480 including left-wing parents.

00:31:53.000 Like,

00:31:53.380 no,

00:31:53.540 you shouldn't be able to kill your baby in the womb.

00:31:55.340 No,

00:31:55.520 you should not be able to give your child drugs that are going to result in an irreversible chemical castration.

00:32:01.080 Like no,

00:32:01.820 no one on the right is saying,

00:32:03.200 Oh yeah,

00:32:03.800 no abortion is good.

00:32:05.660 And you know,

00:32:06.440 trans and kids is good because it's only left-wing people doing it anyway.

00:32:09.180 And I want to see the children of left-wingers get hurt.

00:32:12.040 It is literally the exact opposite.

00:32:13.880 It's you can't hurt children like that.

00:32:16.660 The reason I oppose your movement is because you want to hurt children.

00:32:20.320 And that makes you my enemy.

00:32:21.940 Now compare that to the left.

00:32:23.820 They use this fake concern for children as a pretext to enact their agenda.

00:32:31.080 But they clearly don't actually care about it because again,

00:32:34.020 not only do you have an example of a prominent Democrat who isn't even considered a radical leftist,

00:32:40.380 by the way,

00:32:40.940 given his policies,

00:32:42.180 he's a pretty moderate Democrat,

00:32:43.980 comfortable and comfortable enough to just openly fantasize about Republican children dying multiple times.

00:32:50.900 And you have no one in the Democratic Party,

00:32:53.100 virtually no one condemning it.

00:32:54.860 It's like this.

00:32:55.500 So that's the difference.

00:32:56.740 Their party doesn't care about children.

00:32:58.420 Their party doesn't care about human life.

00:33:00.420 Surprise,

00:33:00.660 surprise the people who like scream at the top of their lungs.

00:33:05.160 If you talk about taking away their,

00:33:06.680 you know,

00:33:07.200 unrestricted privilege to murder as many unborn babies as they want,

00:33:10.500 don't actually care about human life.

00:33:13.380 And we're out here trying to say,

00:33:15.260 I don't care what side of the aisle you're on or your children are on.

00:33:18.860 You shouldn't be allowed to hurt them.

00:33:20.620 It really is true.

00:33:23.720 You're to the point where,

00:33:25.560 again,

00:33:26.720 it is just amazing that he ended up calling her back just to be really clear.

00:33:31.820 No,

00:33:32.100 I very much do want to kill like Republicans.

00:33:35.900 I'm not joking.

00:33:36.780 And there's,

00:33:37.520 there's a complete moral case for this and you need to understand it.

00:33:40.860 Like it's absolutely.

00:33:41.920 They don't move on policy unless they feel pain.

00:33:44.500 Right.

00:33:44.880 Right.

00:33:45.580 And so what,

00:33:47.520 one of the reasons of course,

00:33:48.860 that they feel this entitled is they control the entire apparatus when it comes to things like entertainment,

00:33:54.480 right?

00:33:54.780 You look at Jimmy Kimmel and what happened with him.

00:33:58.480 He's canceled for what?

00:33:59.740 Three days.

00:34:00.860 And you end up getting,

00:34:02.320 you know,

00:34:03.320 everyone reversing their decision on this after,

00:34:06.040 by the way,

00:34:06.440 the left commits a bunch of terrorism,

00:34:08.280 including shooting up an ABC station to get him back on the air.

00:34:13.380 But another big part of it is that he had all the Hollywood influence,

00:34:16.560 right?

00:34:16.720 That a bunch of his friends who were critical to the,

00:34:18.880 you know,

00:34:19.560 the,

00:34:19.740 the,

00:34:19.960 the studio system and everything else,

00:34:21.920 they spoke up and they put the pressure on.

00:34:24.100 And that's what giving control of your culture over to your enemies does.

00:34:27.740 Right.

00:34:28.080 Right.

00:34:28.480 And one of the things that you do,

00:34:29.740 obviously is you are creating culture.

00:34:31.960 You're we're always talking and why won't the right make art?

00:34:34.380 Why won't the right make comedy?

00:34:35.460 Why won't the right make anything?

00:34:37.060 Well,

00:34:37.360 you are someone who,

00:34:38.640 who does do that on a regular basis.

00:34:40.700 And I know that you are getting ready to start a new show.

00:34:43.920 You're trying to crown fund,

00:34:45.520 get,

00:34:45.800 get ready to do that.

00:34:46.600 So can you talk a little bit about that show and why you think it's important for the right to take charge of the cultural reins,

00:34:53.280 just as much as it's important for them to use political power?

00:34:57.300 Yeah,

00:34:57.480 absolutely.

00:34:57.860 So before I even get into that,

00:34:59.580 I just want to respond to something you said there about Jimmy Kimmel specifically.

00:35:03.000 It's so outrageous and insulting that after Charlie Kirk gets murdered over protected speech,

00:35:12.620 Jimmy Kimmel becomes the free speech martyr.

00:35:16.140 Right.

00:35:16.460 It's beyond parody.

00:35:17.780 I mean,

00:35:18.020 like,

00:35:18.380 and I don't use this phrase often.

00:35:21.020 Like,

00:35:21.140 it's actually disgusting.

00:35:22.460 Like,

00:35:22.580 it's genuinely disgusting.

00:35:24.580 And,

00:35:25.020 and the fact that he and his compatriots on the left have such little shame that they would unironically make him out to be the victim in that scenario is beyond parody.

00:35:39.020 Actually,

00:35:39.500 actually.

00:35:39.940 I like,

00:35:40.620 I don't even know if I could make a cartoon about that.

00:35:43.200 It's so ridiculous.

00:35:44.260 But yeah,

00:35:45.980 so for the last 11 years,

00:35:48.080 I've been making animated political satire.

00:35:51.400 Myself and my team have created over 600 videos on the Freedom Tunes channel alone.

00:35:56.720 We've also done videos with other organizations.

00:35:59.680 The number of videos we've done is,

00:36:00.860 is beyond 700 at this point on the Freedom Tunes channel.

00:36:05.800 We've amassed a million subscribers.

00:36:07.520 We've got 290 billion views total.

00:36:10.060 And this is with $0 spent on marketing.

00:36:12.180 And the reality is it's because people want this kind of content for so long.

00:36:15.820 The media has been dominated by the left.

00:36:17.720 It has been dominated by people who hate your values.

00:36:20.160 The closest the right has ever been able to get to any kind of satire in the mainstream from their perspective.

00:36:26.340 It has been South Park.

00:36:27.540 And obviously South Park is not right wing.

00:36:30.280 They just happen to go after the left sometimes.

00:36:33.760 Right.

00:36:34.160 So I make these cartoons and my goal as I'm making them is not like,

00:36:38.720 how can we win?

00:36:39.440 How can I go after the left?

00:36:40.760 I'm just interested in politics.

00:36:42.060 So I'm writing about things that matter to me.

00:36:44.080 And because I am right wing,

00:36:45.780 my perspective just organically emerges from the script and makes its way into the cartoon.

00:36:51.100 I don't sit there and say like,

00:36:52.040 how do I convince people of this?

00:36:53.960 I just go,

00:36:54.480 what happened this week?

00:36:55.340 What's funny about it?

00:36:56.860 And then obviously what ends up being funny about that to me is someone who's on the right

00:37:02.020 is the nonsense you get from the left and sometimes from right wing people.

00:37:05.660 We do poke fun at the right sometimes too.

00:37:08.240 So I made a decision a little while ago that we needed to move beyond just making

00:37:14.000 these short cartoons on YouTube.

00:37:15.820 I think those are important and we plan to continue making them,

00:37:18.760 but we need to start competing in the arena of half hour long television length programming.

00:37:27.500 And so after the election, we had a little bit of money saved up just because we got extra traction

00:37:34.140 as we tend to during election years.

00:37:35.760 And I invested that money back into the company, back into trying to build more culture,

00:37:40.440 putting some projects together behind the scenes.

00:37:42.440 And one of them was this pilot that we made.

00:37:45.260 It's 25 minutes long.

00:37:47.040 What I'm basically saying is we have the first episode of the show totally finished.

00:37:49.840 So we decided we wanted to launch an anthology series.

00:37:53.600 It's called Twisted Plots.

00:37:55.260 And each episode is a completely different story, completely different concept,

00:37:59.780 and expresses some kind of like conservative or Christian or right wing value,

00:38:03.620 not through the conservative character owning the lib and having his rant on camera,

00:38:09.940 but just organically through the jokes, through the story,

00:38:15.140 because that's how the left has influenced people historically as they have dominated entertainment

00:38:20.840 culture.

00:38:21.580 It's not like they have one character walk up to another character and like own them with facts

00:38:26.760 and logic.

00:38:27.280 That happens sometimes, but sparingly.

00:38:30.120 Usually what happens is like they tell a story and the moral of the story ends up being something

00:38:35.880 like, well, actually it's okay to get divorced and reinvent yourself.

00:38:40.480 Or you know what?

00:38:41.660 It's really beautiful and romantic to cheat on your fiancee with a homeless guy.

00:38:47.020 That's literally what Titanic's about.

00:38:49.600 It's perfectly good for you to lie in the favor of a left wing political cause.

00:38:57.000 Again, not rants, not speeches, just stories that are constructed in a specific way.

00:39:02.660 And the reality is I don't even know how much of it is directly intended.

00:39:06.760 The artists are all leftists or have left wing perspectives.

00:39:10.180 And so it just organically flows from them as they write these stories.

00:39:13.900 And so what we're doing is we're just trying to tell stories that are really good, that

00:39:18.000 have truth, beauty, and goodness in them and are interesting and funny.

00:39:21.700 And so right now we have a crowdfunding campaign going to fund the first season of our show.

00:39:27.300 We can't win the culture war if we're not making culture.

00:39:29.920 I've got the track record.

00:39:31.320 I've got the team.

00:39:32.500 I've got the experience.

00:39:33.820 All I need now is the support of the audience.

00:39:37.180 And we've gotten a massive outpouring of audience support.

00:39:39.840 We're about 12 days in and we're more than 50% funded, which is huge.

00:39:43.760 So if you guys want to get access to the pilot, you want to see what we're doing,

00:39:47.260 go over to twistedplots.com, support us, help us make this show.

00:39:51.660 I think you guys are going to love it.

00:39:53.160 And the hope is after we produce the first season of this show,

00:39:56.720 we're going to be able to expand out into other things,

00:39:59.160 making other shows, potentially making movies, because the fact of the matter is the right

00:40:03.420 does need to be making entertaining content.

00:40:05.640 A lot of right-wing organizations have attempted this.

00:40:07.860 I think some of them bit off a little more than they could chew because they didn't have

00:40:10.820 experience in entertainment and they tried making too much at once.

00:40:14.500 That's why we're starting in a reasonable, humble way, but in an impactful way.

00:40:18.860 Like this is going to be a really, really good show.

00:40:23.020 Yeah, I just encourage people to go and contribute.

00:40:27.500 A lot of people, of course, will talk endlessly about why we don't have right-wing culture.

00:40:33.520 Why don't we have right-wing culture?

00:40:34.680 Why won't anyone make right-wing culture?

00:40:36.880 But when it comes time to actually fund right-wing culture, all of a sudden, no one's around.

00:40:42.080 And we need a culture of patronage, guys.

00:40:44.780 We need a culture of embracing creativity and projects and making sure that people who share

00:40:51.080 our values, as Seamus said, he's not making an after-school special.

00:40:54.580 He's not making one of these Christian movies where it's just 95% an altar call.

00:41:02.120 We're talking about building actual shows out that are funny, entertaining, and just happen

00:41:07.580 to organically have a right-wing viewpoint and therefore are much more successful.

00:41:13.220 So, again, I think people need to put their money where their mouth is and actually support

00:41:19.700 projects like this.

00:41:20.780 Because if they don't, then you can't really sit around and tell me, oh, well, why don't

00:41:25.040 I have any right-wing culture?

00:41:27.180 Why is it all left-wing dominated?

00:41:28.820 Well, because the left will pay for movies.

00:41:31.240 They will fund these things.

00:41:33.040 And they won't expect to immediately make money on the return.

00:41:35.900 It's nice if they do, right?

00:41:36.960 But they'll keep putting out left-wing movies, even if they don't turn a profit, just because

00:41:40.640 they think it's so important to have that art there in the world.

00:41:44.000 And if a leftist can be that committed to their beliefs, one would hope that you can

00:41:48.260 be as well.

00:41:49.200 Well, and this is the thing not a lot of people realize.

00:41:51.240 Part of why we have such little entertainment on the right is because this stuff costs way

00:41:55.880 more money than you would ever imagine.

00:41:57.760 So I try to break this down for people.

00:41:59.260 An episode of The Simpsons, I mean, it costs millions of dollars for one single episode.

00:42:03.020 And it takes about nine months to make each one.

00:42:06.400 Now, you might say The Simpsons has a lot of big stars on it.

00:42:08.620 They need to pay those voice actors a lot.

00:42:10.060 It's a big hit.

00:42:10.820 Definitely.

00:42:11.560 But you can look at smaller shows with lesser known cast.

00:42:14.120 So initially, when South Park premiered in 1997, Trey Parker and Matt Stone were nobodies

00:42:19.040 at that time, right?

00:42:20.720 It cost $250,000 to make one single episode of that show in season one.

00:42:26.080 And that was in 97.

00:42:27.440 Adjusted for inflation, that's 500 grand.

00:42:29.940 So this stuff's expensive and people go, how?

00:42:33.020 Well, it's because you need a crew of sometimes dozens of people working for months at a time.

00:42:38.840 And it ends up adding up.

00:42:40.620 So we've been able to budget really efficiently here.

00:42:43.320 We're going to be able to make our entire season for the inflation adjusted cost of one

00:42:49.460 episode of season one South Park.

00:42:51.400 And it looks a lot better.

00:42:52.900 If you guys go over to twistedplots.com, you'll be able to see our first episode.

00:42:56.420 We also did a pitch for the crowdfunding video that you'll be able to see at twistedplots.com,

00:43:00.440 where we include little samples of visuals from the show.

00:43:03.460 And we've been able to do some animation tests.

00:43:05.660 We're going to be able to get this to look really, really nice.

00:43:07.620 Like it's at television level quality for sure.

00:43:10.600 With Freedom Tunes, part of the charm of it is like, listen, we got to churn each video

00:43:14.640 out in a week.

00:43:15.880 Sometimes we'll make a video in like two or three days.

00:43:18.660 The animation quality when you do that is not always going to be at the level you might

00:43:22.320 want for it to be.

00:43:23.240 With this, we're like, because if they're longer episodes that we're taking more time

00:43:27.400 on, we're really able to put attention to the animation details that we don't always

00:43:32.140 get to put into Freedom Tunes.

00:43:33.220 So it looks really nice.

00:43:34.780 And that's another part of the goal.

00:43:36.220 We want to make something that's undeniable.

00:43:38.200 We want to make something that even a left-wing person is going to see.

00:43:40.960 And like, yeah, maybe the morals piss them off, but they're not going to be able to say

00:43:44.940 that it isn't good.

00:43:45.820 And like, if they are, they're lying because it's going to be good.

00:43:50.080 Um, and we've already gotten a lot of really good feedback on our first episode.

00:43:54.440 We still plan on like doing a little bit of tweaking, messing with the audio and stuff,

00:43:58.360 but you'll be able to get a version of it behind the, you know, twistedplots.com, go

00:44:03.080 fund me or give, send, go.

00:44:04.500 And again, it's 25 minutes long, but yeah, part of what I want to express here too, is

00:44:09.000 the reason it's been so hard for conservatives to do this kind of thing in the past is because

00:44:13.080 it is so expensive.

00:44:14.940 And part of what's amazing about the present day is we can use platforms like give, send,

00:44:20.840 go to crowdfund these kinds of projects.

00:44:23.120 Because like, let's face it, if you go to a conservative organization and ask them to

00:44:28.860 fund something like this, it's not even just that they might not be willing to, they probably

00:44:32.900 won't have the money.

00:44:33.980 Like their budgets are kind of tight.

00:44:36.180 If you want really good, sharp looking animation and a good story, and you want the video to come

00:44:42.380 out looking really decent and actually being above the crust of a lot of the stuff you

00:44:47.200 might see on television, if you want it to actually compete, it is going to be expensive.

00:44:51.620 And that's part of why I'm so grateful to the people who have contributed so far, because

00:44:56.180 again, in just 12 days, we're 50% funded, which suggests that this is what people want.

00:45:01.980 It actually sends a message to the establishment.

00:45:04.340 People want grassroots content.

00:45:06.400 People want content that does espouse right-wing values.

00:45:10.500 People want content that's made by people who don't have contempt for them, who don't

00:45:14.960 hate their way of life, who don't hate their family, who aren't trying to slowly chip away

00:45:19.160 at their culture through propaganda.

00:45:22.100 And again, they also want it to be made by people who are outsiders.

00:45:26.560 They want it to be grassroots.

00:45:28.080 They don't necessarily like trust conservative ink to produce this stuff.

00:45:35.660 Absolutely.

00:45:36.360 All right, guys.

00:45:36.880 Well, we are going to go to the questions of the people here, but obviously great to

00:45:42.760 have Seamus on and make sure that if you can, that you go and support his work.

00:45:49.340 And you said it was a Gibson go, right?

00:45:51.360 Yeah.

00:45:51.540 So if you go to twistedplots.com, it'll take you to our landing page.

00:45:55.280 And then the donation amount you select will go through Gibson go.

00:45:59.280 It'll take you there automatically.

00:46:01.420 So just twistedplots.com, you'll see everything laid out there.

00:46:05.600 Again, we've got to beat the left.

00:46:08.520 The only way we're going to be able to do that is by making culture.

00:46:11.100 Right now, all of entertainment media is basically dominated by people who hate your values and

00:46:16.920 they're chipping away at your culture through propaganda.

00:46:19.660 I've got the experience.

00:46:21.700 I've got the team.

00:46:23.460 We know how to do this.

00:46:25.280 We've even got the pilot made.

00:46:26.740 If you guys give us your support, we will be able to make something really special here

00:46:32.160 and we will really be able to push back.

00:46:35.240 Excellent.

00:46:35.900 All right.

00:46:36.240 Let's go to the questions of the people here.

00:46:39.400 Herb Seasoning says conservatives always run until they are out of breath to say how bad

00:46:44.280 it would be for fellow Republicans to actually ally with the American right.

00:46:48.900 Yeah.

00:46:49.080 Again, this is unfortunately a scenario where there seems to be infinite amount of energy

00:46:53.900 to reach out to the left, debate the left, have conversations with the left, even whether

00:46:59.560 the left is trying to kill you, but not so much for the right.

00:47:05.680 Conservatives are always canceling to their right and reaching out to their left, and that

00:47:10.000 tells you a lot about the American political dynamic.

00:47:13.360 Yep.

00:47:14.000 No, that's absolutely right.

00:47:14.900 But this kind of goes into what I'm saying, right?

00:47:17.500 Like culture has been dominated by people on the left.

00:47:19.560 It isn't just news media, and who do you repeatedly see portrayed as like the only good conservative

00:47:26.600 in entertainment media?

00:47:28.300 It's always the Republican who condemns the other Republicans.

00:47:32.460 Right.

00:47:32.580 There is a great show.

00:47:34.640 So Sorkin is a very funny guy because if you've ever seen the West Wing or the newsroom, he does

00:47:46.660 do a lot of this preaching that I think is generally not effective.

00:47:50.420 I actually think his style of writing turns a lot of people off, but he's talented enough

00:47:57.180 that he's able to get away with the preaching because the dialogue is really snappy and the

00:48:03.300 way it's worded is very satisfying to hear, especially if you agree with it.

00:48:08.100 But in his show, The Newsroom, if I'm not mistaken, the protagonist is a Republican, and all he

00:48:15.740 does for the whole series is criticize conservatism and Republicans.

00:48:22.140 And if I'm not mistaken, they even did an episode where the network doesn't want to let him

00:48:27.680 criticize the Tea Party because as we know, at that time, the mainstream media was just

00:48:32.540 terrified of criticizing the Tea Party and the brave Republican with real principles stands up

00:48:42.960 and in front of the public on television, he criticizes the Tea Party. So this is a longstanding

00:48:49.480 trope in media, the principled conservative who wants to lose.

00:48:55.060 They actually called, if you remember, the Tea Party, the American Taliban at the time.

00:49:00.080 Is that where that comes from?

00:49:01.800 That's where that came from. And this became very popular among the left at the time, right?

00:49:05.160 You had Jon Stewart and all these people repeating it, and they're all repeating this Aaron Sorkin

00:49:09.220 line that's been thrown out by this Republican that he's writing. So yeah, I mean, this, and talk

00:49:16.160 about, of course, projection. Like today, it is the left that is doing terrorism. But the Tea Party was

00:49:21.960 going to be the American Taliban. And yeah, you're exactly right.

00:49:25.420 And again, it's like, I do have a certain level of respect for his writing ability. I really do,

00:49:29.680 because he is able to make it sound smooth and clever, but it is just preaching at the end of

00:49:35.120 the day. It's like he's having arguments in his head, and then he's writing them, and his self-insert

00:49:41.780 is totally owning the cons. It's actually really funny.

00:49:45.700 This has been, you know, Aaron Sorkin's greatest hit, I think, against him most of the time,

00:49:50.600 is that all of his characters sound the same, because they're all him.

00:49:53.940 They're all him.

00:49:54.580 Right. It's all him talking to himself, having discussions with himself, how he thinks he

00:49:59.540 would talk to a Republican that was reasonable, what it would look like if a Republican was

00:50:03.920 reasonable. It's just being Aaron Sorkin. You know, so that's kind of the entire, like you

00:50:09.560 said, he's a gifted writer. He does have a, you know, a great turn for phrase, you know,

00:50:15.060 with dialogue. But ultimately, it really always just sounds preachy. It just simply sounds like

00:50:20.360 a more elevated version of the after-school special, where, you know, the parents, you

00:50:24.880 know, and the kid's like, well, I guess you were right all along, mom and dad. Thanks,

00:50:28.620 you know.

00:50:30.720 We've got Blood Based here with just a generous donation. Thank you very much.

00:50:34.460 Oh, thank you. Appreciate that.

00:50:36.420 We've got Mimibu. I'm not sure exactly how to pronounce that. It says, use outrage to

00:50:41.920 advantage. Say, Kirk assassination worse than the war in Gaza, or Kirk's assassination worse

00:50:48.080 than MLK juniors, if they want a red flag to chase. I see what you're saying. Like, so steal

00:50:53.820 back the conversation of momentum by saying something that is going to kind of throw them

00:51:00.160 off their game. I could see that. I don't know if that's necessarily going to work at this point,

00:51:06.320 but I do like the idea of being on the offensive with the frame, figuring out this is what Trump

00:51:12.480 does so well, right? This is why Trump, for whatever his flaws, is so effective, because he will

00:51:17.560 just step in and wreck a news cycle, right? He'll just step in and say, what do you guys want to

00:51:21.840 talk about? Well, I'm talking about something entirely different, and I'm going to say it in

00:51:24.880 such an audacious way that it's the only thing that you can talk about, and now you're just talking

00:51:29.280 about me, and he knows how to drive a news cycle, and it's often by using the kind of tactic you're

00:51:33.420 talking about. Latrita Bidditt, IRS enforcer, says, Oren and Carlin Baratsko, I don't, I'm not sure who

00:51:46.000 that is, sorry, inspired me to start something grassroots, ordered a voter walking map going door

00:51:51.080 to door at local Republicans are useless. The boats are burned. Nobody is coming to save us. Well, I am

00:51:56.980 very glad that you are getting involved. I'm glad that if, you know, can encourage you to get involved

00:52:04.440 in local politics, then that's fantastic. Do remember, though, that while, you know, knocking

00:52:09.420 on doors for Republicans is good, you're still getting them to vote for local Republicans, right?

00:52:13.540 And they're probably useless, as you point out. So remember, it's not just about getting the votes,

00:52:18.580 though I'm not decrying what you're doing. It's also about building community, right? We need to,

00:52:23.320 we need to cultivate the type of leaders that we want. And the only way we can do that is by having

00:52:27.780 the communities that inculcate the type of virtues that we're looking for. So working with your church,

00:52:33.260 working with local organizations, you know, I'm part of a fraternal organization, the old Glory Club

00:52:37.540 that helps do this kind of stuff. If you can get things like that started in your community,

00:52:42.160 that is just as important as going around and like knocking on doors for political candidates. In fact,

00:52:47.680 probably at the end of the day, more important. So I'm not saying don't do that. I'm just saying also

00:52:51.880 be aware that it's not just about politics. If you get culture, as we were talking about with

00:52:57.840 Seamus and his project, if you control culture, the politics will follow, right? And so that's

00:53:03.560 critical to remember. Herb Seasoning says, with how activated they have become without wide legal

00:53:12.060 crackdown, we're in a position to get hosed in 2028. 2020 summer won't compare. Again, you really

00:53:19.700 should take the left seriously at this point. They are violent and they are willing to use that and

00:53:27.100 deploy that and cheer that on and champion the people who do violence in their name. And so you

00:53:32.440 should not underestimate them and you should be looking to remove that capability thoroughly.

00:53:37.540 That's really what the Trump administration should be doing top to bottom here is stripping the left of

00:53:42.380 all of its ability to activate any of these centers of power that they can normally manipulate

00:53:47.160 should they lose an election at some point.

00:53:53.060 Salty Saiyan says, the left got away with murdering Charlie. They continue to commit violence.

00:53:57.480 They continue advocating for more. What do we do now? Again, I agree that this is not a good

00:54:02.860 situation. And the very first step, of course, would be to actually work together to focus on punishing

00:54:09.820 these people and dismantling it. So the first thing we need to do is stop getting worried about stupid

00:54:15.240 group chats and what jokes people are made about them and start punishing the left. Start making

00:54:19.820 it impossible for them to do what they're doing. Make sure that it's illegal. Make sure that it's

00:54:24.840 actually punished once they are arrested. Make sure the administration is taking this seriously.

00:54:30.540 What can you do individually is, of course, a different question.

00:54:33.780 I would really suggest learning how to operate a firearm. Own one if you are legally allowed to own one.

00:54:41.140 Remember, you're not looking for a fight. You're not looking to be tough.

00:54:43.700 You're looking to protect your family and the people around you. So you need to train and you

00:54:47.820 need to be grouping with like minded people. Just talked about being in organizations,

00:54:51.560 being in contact with men from your church. Make sure you guys have a group chat. Everybody's got a

00:54:57.460 plan for how to protect someone if there is an issue. Have that kind of stuff that you're in your

00:55:02.960 private life, as well as also trying to influence the larger discussion with the administration and

00:55:08.460 whatnot. Yeah, well, and this is important because you mentioned we need to punish them. You're

00:55:12.600 right. Legal authorities absolutely do need to. But as far as what your average citizen can do,

00:55:17.400 the left only calls you a hypocrite when you found an effective strategy.

00:55:21.340 So getting people canceled for celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk, perfectly reasonable thing

00:55:28.060 to do, right? The issue with cancel culture is not that some people lose their jobs. It is not a

00:55:33.060 position on the right, nor has it ever been a position that no one should ever lose their job for

00:55:38.340 any reason. That's never been a conservative argument. Our argument is that the left has

00:55:44.000 weaponized the market system and social media and the way that these agencies respond to what's posted

00:55:49.500 online in order to get people fired for having very normal opinions like trans women aren't women,

00:55:55.980 or there's only two genders, etc. We should want a school teacher to lose their job if they're in

00:56:04.260 public mocking somebody for being killed when that person has the same values as many of their

00:56:10.800 students. Yep, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Wild Speaker says they won't ally with

00:56:17.240 Americans that have a heterodox view of the 20th century, but they will endlessly chase a larger

00:56:22.120 percentage of the black and Hispanic vote. Yeah, that's exactly right. Again, the conservatives are

00:56:27.900 always canceling to the right and reaching out to their left, no matter how unfruitful that has been

00:56:32.300 for them in the past, and they have to learn to change on this. They just have to. We can't play

00:56:37.240 these games anymore. See, now you're going to make me say your name nine times and I can't pronounce

00:56:43.480 it. It says, I think I saw that some of the pro-Palestine people say worse than that joke. Pretty sure

00:56:49.940 they meant it too. I'm sure that's true, right? Ultimately, there are probably people who have said

00:56:55.460 worse and meant it. But that again, like what percentage of these people are an effective force

00:57:02.780 on the right that we really need to defeat? Most of those pro-Palestinian people are on the left,

00:57:07.860 right? Like that's actually where most of that sport is coming from. So obviously, as I think

00:57:12.480 you're kind of alluding to here, in either direction, the left is worse even on this issue.

00:57:18.080 So if you care about that first, then just care about it and defeat the left.

00:57:21.340 And there's just a unique bloodthirst that exists on the left. Listen, human beings are all flawed

00:57:27.200 and I'm not trying to make it sound like the right are angels or anything. But just in terms

00:57:32.280 of acceptable discourse, regardless of where you are on the Israel-Palestine issue, somebody who's

00:57:38.640 right-wing, no matter how much they don't like Israel, they're probably not going out and saying

00:57:44.320 that like October 7th was good. There are left-wingers who absolutely have made that claim.

00:57:49.300 Right. So, I mean, again, we have to be sober about how dangerous these people are. They're

00:57:54.480 not joking. Like they're actually not. And they tell you that they're not joking.

00:57:58.660 Yeah. When, you know, when Josh Shapiro's house is set on fire, it turns out it's a leftist

00:58:03.820 pro-Palestinian guy, right? So even, even in that vein, you're, you're right that even

00:58:08.980 in, of people who hold those positions, it's obvious that the leftists that are actually

00:58:12.260 violent with them. Uh, Zhang Wei says, uh, Huck Finsdale, T L T H S. Sorry. I have no idea

00:58:19.860 what that is. So lions township high school. That's a, they, they, they must know me from

00:58:26.180 LT. That's where I went to school long, long ago. And, uh, Hinsdale were our rivals. So it's

00:58:31.760 a little word play right there. I see. I see. All right. Yeah. I was, uh, I was like, that

00:58:36.360 is, that is some deep lore. If I glad you had that one. Uh, Machiavelli sucks says, imagine

00:58:43.380 all the weird stuff that goes on in Hollywood parties. Yeah. I mean, I think that's pretty

00:58:48.560 obvious at this point, sadly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really don't want to, uh, wild speaker

00:58:54.220 says, what did you think destroying the left meant vibes, papers, essays, losers, uh, lest

00:58:59.620 we forget the old proverb, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Well, and you know, I don't

00:59:04.700 even know about the last part there, but yeah, it is ultimately true that we have to,

00:59:09.260 uh, treat the left as a real threat and we have to stop playing patty cake. I mean, I

00:59:13.640 don't know how anyone doesn't get this at this point, but the debate club is over. They

00:59:17.560 shot the guy who wants to debate them in the throat. Okay. You simply don't have that

00:59:21.080 option anymore. And I'm sorry, but someone making jokes somewhere is just not the same

00:59:25.360 and I'm not going to pretend it's the same. I'm not going to stop my whole movement to make

00:59:28.480 sure that people believe it's the same because I'm such a good moral person. Like, no,

00:59:32.800 like, sorry, but that is not moral. That is not you being a more moral person. That is

00:59:37.360 you being self-righteous. That is you being a Pharisee. That is you burning things down

00:59:41.620 so that you can feel superior, but still ending up in a terrible place. You're putting your

00:59:46.240 own, your own virtue signaling ahead of actually defeating the left. And I just don't have time

00:59:50.340 for that right now. Also, I want to mention something here. Cause I agree with you. I don't

00:59:53.880 buy into the idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but also I don't define my enemies

00:59:59.160 on the basis of who my enemy tells me my enemies should be. That's right. So do with that what

01:00:04.440 you will. Like, I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and say like, Oh, well, if the left says

01:00:07.960 that that guy's really a Nazi, he must really be a Nazi. Well, and again, JD Vance has already

01:00:13.680 spoken this, right? JD Vance was the one who said, look, we're not doing this. And he was exactly

01:00:17.680 right. So all these people who are attacking, like, look, if you're not, if you're telling me that

01:00:22.800 I'm deeply immoral for not getting obsessed without this, I hope you're saying the same thing

01:00:26.660 about JD Vance because then everybody knows who you are, right? Like then it just, then it becomes

01:00:30.860 clear who you really are. Uh, Memi also says Titanic plot, old, uh, woman remembers an old

01:00:38.680 fling more fondly than her kids and throws away a chance to ensure their livelihood to dump treasure

01:00:43.580 in an ocean before she dies. Heck, uh, not even for a museum. Or even if she wanted to be like,

01:00:50.560 you know, even if she wanted to be a philanthropist, like, Oh, I'll give half to my kids and the rest

01:00:53.940 to charity or I'll give all of it to charity or whatever, like nothing just throws it off

01:00:58.340 the boat. It's crazy, man. But this is, this is an important lesson about media because there

01:01:04.600 are a lot of things about that film. And the reason I talk about it is because it is like

01:01:09.340 the number one highest grossing romance film of all time. So it had some cultural impact,

01:01:13.440 right? Um, on paper, it's like a horror story on paper. Rose is just a psychopath, but James

01:01:21.060 Cameron is truly a master of his craft. And he gets you through excellent music, great cinematography,

01:01:29.040 fantastic special effects to root for the bad guys in the film. And so what media essentially

01:01:35.980 does is it kind of hypnotizes you. And we've given that hypnotic power over to the left completely.

01:01:43.000 What I'm saying is we need media that rather than like blindly hypnotizing you into accepting bad

01:01:49.000 values puts good edifying messages into the content that's being produced. That's what we're trying

01:01:54.600 to do. Now, if you go over to twistedplots.com, you'll be supporting us in that.

01:01:58.540 There you go. Also, I have still never seen Titanic.

01:02:01.780 You've never seen Titanic?

01:02:03.660 Never seen Titanic.

01:02:04.540 I can't believe I spoiled it for you.

01:02:06.580 Well, yeah. I mean, at this point, I know the plot. Like I've, I've seen it by proxy,

01:02:10.780 of course, basically through clips and discussions on it, but I somehow have never, never, I'm like

01:02:16.740 that guy who's just like, yep, never watched Star Wars, didn't know about it, you know.

01:02:19.460 Well, if you ever have 12 hours free.

01:02:21.680 Yeah, there you go.

01:02:23.540 Michael Robertson says, how do we balance uniting the right with rooting out the fake right?

01:02:28.460 They allowed the left's problems to get this bad.

01:02:30.420 I don't want to unite with, say, Mitch McConnell.

01:02:32.440 Even now, is that wrong?

01:02:33.800 So again, it's not about, I want to be clear because there's this weird belief that to not

01:02:41.160 spend all your time denouncing and hunting and trying to pull people out of the movement,

01:02:46.560 is the same as like agreeing with them and being ultimately on their side, right?

01:02:51.700 Like, of course I'm with you.

01:02:52.720 Like I said, I have plenty of problems.

01:02:54.340 I haven't stopped disagreeing with, I don't know, the guys at the Babylon Bee or whatever.

01:02:58.080 Like I have all of those arguments, but the only reason I'm even fighting with them at

01:03:03.560 the moment is like, they want to spend all their time, like trying to like cancel other

01:03:08.040 conservatives.

01:03:08.880 I am not doing that.

01:03:09.960 I have no interest in that, right?

01:03:11.440 It doesn't mean that our disagreements go away, but like, we just don't have time for

01:03:15.280 this at the moment.

01:03:15.860 So I'm not asking you to like be a big Mitch McConnell fan or, you know, think that conservatism

01:03:21.440 incorporate, incorporate is a good thing.

01:03:23.240 I'm just saying at the moment, we should be using all of our available energy to punish

01:03:28.260 the left for the death of Charlie Kirk to prevent more of this.

01:03:31.780 That's where I focus should be.

01:03:33.900 Once that's done, we can go back to like figuring out, you know, who's going to influence the

01:03:39.260 right or that kind of thing.

01:03:40.200 Yeah, and again, by the way, I know and have met Seth Dillon and Kyle and other people at

01:03:47.100 the Babylon Bee who I like and, you know, consider friends or at the very least friendly

01:03:51.160 acquaintances.

01:03:52.400 And as we've been expressing, we all want to be on the same page with this.

01:03:56.580 We all want to go after the left.

01:03:58.000 Even if we disagreed on this specific issue, it's really important for us to be laser focused

01:04:02.360 about the fact that there's more that the administration needs to be doing to keep us safe.

01:04:06.480 That's right.

01:04:08.640 Joe McDermott says, we can't hold the left accountable even when they're supporting what

01:04:14.060 happened to Charlie until targeting conservatives and getting them out of power.

01:04:21.000 Chimp out, guys.

01:04:21.920 Yeah, again, you know, as we just said, these people have to be held accountable.

01:04:26.040 There is no other, there should be other, no other focus right now.

01:04:29.840 All of our energy should be directed exactly at that project.

01:04:33.180 Mimi says, how to be a good conservative, give up position.

01:04:37.960 Yep, that's unfortunately very often the case.

01:04:40.780 Dr. Lighthouse says, it's strange how little know of the World's Fair of 1893, in particular

01:04:47.920 Palacio's World of Iron, a worthy monument to Christopher Columbus and Chicago White City.

01:04:55.460 Yeah, I mean, I'm really only familiar a whole lot with that particular World's Fair because,

01:04:59.960 of course, The Devil in the White, is it The Devil in the White City is the book that they

01:05:04.060 talked about, H.H. Holmes, really focused on that World's Fair and all the events around it.

01:05:10.320 But a very interesting time in history, to be sure.

01:05:14.300 And Dr. Lighthouse also says, we need to mainstream the great proposals of the old World Fairs.

01:05:19.500 It would immortalize MAGA.

01:05:22.340 Well, of course, that was a big thing for Walt Disney, right?

01:05:24.740 Like, that's basically what Epcot was supposed to be, was like this ongoing World Fair.

01:05:29.460 He thought it was very important to bring that to the masses.

01:05:32.720 One of the interesting things about that, ironically, is the more technology we've had

01:05:36.600 make things instantly available, the less World Fairs hold any kind of significance.

01:05:42.200 Because the thing about the World Fair was you would all get together and see this new

01:05:45.480 and excellent thing that was being built you couldn't see anywhere else.

01:05:47.740 Now you can see it in 10 seconds on YouTube, and you don't have to go anywhere to see the

01:05:52.420 newest technology being displayed on a regular basis.

01:05:55.300 So that's kind of lost some of its utility, but I do understand what you're saying there.

01:05:59.780 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 20, 2025

Cons Inc. FAILS to Learn from Charlie Kirk's Assassination ｜ Guest： Seamus Coughlin ｜ 10⧸20⧸25

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