The Auron MacIntyre Show - Constitutional Crisis ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee ｜ 2⧸2⧸2024

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00:00:30.140 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:32.020 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.700 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.800 So just last week, we had this massive showdown.

00:00:41.880 These governors were lining up behind Greg Abbott.

00:00:45.920 Battle lines were being drawn.

00:00:47.740 There's serious questions about whether or not the Border Patrol or the United States military

00:00:52.700 were going to march into Texas and reassert dominance.

00:00:56.360 And this week, everyone's debating Taylor Swift.

00:00:58.620 And so the question is, you know, kind of what happened here?

00:01:02.780 What's going on?

00:01:04.240 Is this situation really unique?

00:01:06.480 Is this part of a larger ongoing battle?

00:01:09.500 Lafayette Lee is a contributing editor over at IM1776, and he's a great Twitter account.

00:01:15.460 Anybody who's not following him should definitely fix that.

00:01:17.840 He wrote a great piece about the constitutional crisis, whether it is one, whether this thing

00:01:23.540 is new at all.

00:01:24.380 I thought I'd have him on to talk about it.

00:01:27.120 Lafayette, thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:29.240 Hey, thank you so much for having me.

00:01:30.900 It's a pleasure.

00:01:32.500 Absolutely.

00:01:33.100 So we'll get to the piece in a second.

00:01:34.720 But am I the only one with whiplash here?

00:01:37.220 I mean, I know Twitter is a very different space.

00:01:40.020 One of the things I want to talk to you about is how little play this particular crisis got

00:01:44.740 in the mainstream media.

00:01:45.880 But on Twitter, it felt like everyone was lining up behind Abbott.

00:01:49.940 You had all these governors declare one after another after another.

00:01:52.980 People were making maps to update, you know, what what what different states had aligned

00:01:58.100 themselves with Texas.

00:01:59.360 And it sounded like this was going to be a huge deal.

00:02:01.640 People were memeing about the possibility of secession or other things.

00:02:06.140 And then all of a sudden, just nothing happened.

00:02:09.640 And then we moved on to whether or not Taylor Swift is a sign up or not.

00:02:14.160 Are you also a little confused about how fast that media cycle rotated?

00:02:20.060 Yeah, no, definitely.

00:02:21.060 It was it was fun to watch.

00:02:23.240 I definitely got swept away in the moment.

00:02:26.480 Many people did.

00:02:27.700 You know, there's such an appetite out there for somebody to do something, maybe just to say

00:02:33.780 no.

00:02:34.440 And so it was it was a great week before that.

00:02:37.140 But you're right.

00:02:37.680 This week, it was it was a whole new program.

00:02:41.280 And that that kind of shocked me.

00:02:44.120 I've noticed that the the attention on the border, there's still a lot of people talking

00:02:48.920 about immigration.

00:02:49.780 But as far as Shelby Pass, I mean, you know, or Shelby Park, excuse me, just not a lot of

00:02:54.980 comment.

00:02:56.280 I guess let's go ahead and recap our situation in Texas as it stands now.

00:03:01.920 And then we can talk about whether the media reaction made sense.

00:03:06.100 And then kind of your piece about about, you know, whether this is a new crisis or this

00:03:11.760 is part of an ongoing struggle.

00:03:13.360 So for those who are unfamiliar or, you know, have just lived under a rock for the last few

00:03:18.500 weeks or just, you know, watch the mainstream media where they seem to say this wasn't anything

00:03:23.240 at all.

00:03:23.900 What happened?

00:03:24.800 What's going on at the border right now?

00:03:26.420 Yeah, so right now we have a standoff really between the state of Texas and between the

00:03:34.360 federal government.

00:03:35.300 As many listeners know, we've had an influx of immigrants into this country illegally

00:03:41.020 through the southern border that's really broken all records.

00:03:44.380 And we haven't really seen this this large of a wave in such a short period of time for

00:03:49.440 a very long time.

00:03:50.600 You know, we have certain waves in this country of immigration, and then they kind of they 0.96

00:03:55.780 build up and then usually there's a cooling off period up until about 1965 that kind of

00:04:00.660 changed.

00:04:01.360 But we really haven't seen anything like this since before, you know, 1965.

00:04:07.640 This is unprecedented.

00:04:09.380 And really, it just comes down to the fact there's a lot of spin out there.

00:04:13.400 The president, the White House, they're just not enforcing the laws.

00:04:16.760 They rolled back some of the protections that the prior administration had put in place.

00:04:23.660 So all that to say, we have a lot of immigrants coming into this country, they're being released 0.98

00:04:28.280 into the population.

00:04:30.960 There's just really no sense of accountability.

00:04:34.120 And so the state of Texas, there's this part of the border, it's not where everybody comes

00:04:40.220 across, but it's a high traffic zone right on the Rio Grande.

00:04:43.720 And it's a park, it's called Shelby Park.

00:04:45.560 It's at Eagle Pass.

00:04:48.160 It's a major access point for illegal immigrants crossing into the United States.

00:04:53.320 And so there was a standoff between the state of Texas, recognizing that the U.S. Border

00:04:58.040 Patrol was not there necessarily to enforce the border, but to essentially help migrants

00:05:02.420 across.

00:05:03.240 And so they barred them from the area.

00:05:05.100 And there was a little bit of a power struggle there between the president and between the

00:05:09.180 governor of Texas over access to that park.

00:05:12.300 And Texas prohibited federal officials from being able to access that park.

00:05:18.160 And so the last time that we, you know, when it caught the news cycle is the governor was

00:05:23.360 saying that he would continue to resist federal officials coming into the area.

00:05:28.900 He, there was a Supreme Court decision that came down on the, in favor of the, of the White

00:05:35.760 House.

00:05:36.220 And Governor Abbott continued to put up concertina wire and make preparations to defend that area

00:05:43.400 and protect it from illegal entry.

00:05:45.580 And so that, that's really what all this started.

00:05:48.080 And then, as you mentioned, you know, after Governor Abbott was defiant, other Republican

00:05:54.120 governors joined him, at least rhetorically.

00:05:57.000 Some have already pledged to send materiel and sometimes National Guardsmen down there.

00:06:03.020 But there was kind of a show of support, very strong.

00:06:07.060 And then this week, nobody's talking about it.

00:06:09.900 Yeah, it really disappeared off of the map.

00:06:14.280 And I think the reason, and this is just an incredible failure, I think, by, by, by a

00:06:20.320 number of conservatives.

00:06:21.520 It's one of the reasons I'm still talking about this because it's so important to keep

00:06:25.900 this in, in some kind of news cycle.

00:06:29.020 But it, this was a big loss for the Biden administration.

00:06:33.100 One of the reasons that this mattered so much, as you pointed out, many people just wanted someone

00:06:38.220 to do something, right?

00:06:39.980 And the fact that Greg Abbott was telling the federal government, no, and telling the

00:06:44.800 Supreme Court, no. 0.92

00:06:46.520 And he's not directly in violation of a Supreme Court order because all the Supreme Court

00:06:50.580 really did was say that they should be able to have access.

00:06:53.680 He, he, he hasn't fully crossed any Rubicons here, but it is more, it is more guts than pretty

00:07:01.520 much any governor outside of maybe Ron DeSantis has shown in defiance of the federal

00:07:07.620 government and people were relieved to see a governor taking action on specifically this

00:07:13.140 issue, which is so clear that the federal government is not only not taking action on, but is actively,

00:07:18.900 as you said, facilitating this invasion.

00:07:20.920 And that was kind of the, the logic of Greg Abbott.

00:07:24.840 He specifically cited Texas's constitutional right to protect its own border.

00:07:29.940 If the federal government fails to do so, and the federal government has not only failed

00:07:35.580 to do so, it's actively facilitating the invasion that is occurring.

00:07:39.720 And so the, you know, the, the people were just excited to see anyone take action on this.

00:07:45.700 It's obviously not going to get solved at a federal level.

00:07:49.280 Everyone's waiting for that big piece of federal legislation.

00:07:52.540 But as you pointed out, we already have the ability to do this.

00:07:56.700 It's not a failure of funding or a failure of manpower, though.

00:08:00.720 The border patrol certainly could use more of both of those, but the border patrol was very

00:08:06.600 much more effective under Donald Trump simply through the alteration of policy.

00:08:12.100 Yes, more money would help, but the, the, this is not a question of, does the president have

00:08:16.080 the power to close the border?

00:08:17.460 Does they have, do they have the ability to deter illegal immigration?

00:08:21.680 They absolutely do.

00:08:22.940 And they're choosing not only not to do that, but instead to do the opposite and actively

00:08:27.440 facilitate a large migration of illegals into the United States.

00:08:32.240 And so people were just desperate to see anyone take action because it's so clear that the federal

00:08:37.280 government, no matter, you know, Republicans can play this game all they want.

00:08:41.400 You can, you can have, uh, uh, you know, these different, uh, senatorial packages talking about

00:08:47.640 what you're going to do.

00:08:48.580 You can, you can have, uh, Crenshaw standing around saying, Oh, we're betraying the voters

00:08:53.140 by not passing whatever new compromise comes from the Democrats.

00:08:56.960 But the truth is all of this ever, all the tools that they need are at their disposal and

00:09:01.880 we're simply using, refusing to use it.

00:09:04.020 So watching Abbott tell these guys, Hey, we're going to, we're going to do this no matter

00:09:09.040 what you say was huge.

00:09:10.780 And it's a huge black eye to the Biden administration because no good look for them in this scenario.

00:09:16.360 There's no, there's no, you can't just send people down and open the border.

00:09:20.920 That looks horrific.

00:09:22.100 Like, what are you, are you going to, you're going to Fort Sumter, you know, Eagle Pass.

00:09:26.060 Like, you know, we have to allow, uh, these shipments of migrants into the United States.

00:09:31.000 That's just not going to happen.

00:09:32.800 But by being able to kind of keep this out of the news, if I watched CNN and MSNBC while

00:09:40.520 I was at the gym, the, you know, the, while this was happening in a couple of days after

00:09:44.060 and they never mentioned it at all, right?

00:09:47.100 This thing that should be like this huge crisis.

00:09:49.100 I mean, there, there's a couple, there's a couple of clips.

00:09:51.420 You can see it in general.

00:09:52.720 We, we, we had a few clips where they were denouncing the government, but in general, this

00:09:56.980 received far less attention than it merited.

00:09:59.700 And I don't think that's an accident.

00:10:01.340 I think it's because they knew that there's really not a lot of good looks for them in

00:10:05.840 this scenario and better to just ignore it and move on to Taylor Swift or whatever.

00:10:11.280 We'll let the media cycle churn rather than let people see that the federal government

00:10:15.180 basically got told no and lost.

00:10:19.140 That's exactly right.

00:10:20.480 I mean, Biden was in a lose, lose situation.

00:10:22.960 There was no upside to anything he could do, uh, for this situation.

00:10:27.340 And it was interesting because as you noted, you know, that you have your, you have your

00:10:31.480 mainstream media, um, you have, you have senators and congressmen like Crenshaw.

00:10:37.060 I mean, it doesn't matter, like look beyond whether it's Fox or MSNBC, look beyond who's

00:10:42.440 a Democrat or Republican, look who's closest to Washington.

00:10:45.400 And that's kind of where I think we need to start as just ordinary people looking at this

00:10:51.040 situation and ones like it, you know, how do we analyze this?

00:10:53.980 It's really who is closest to Washington.

00:10:56.200 There's a message coming out of Washington and that there was so much silence on this.

00:11:01.860 You could tell it was kind of a deer in the headlights moment.

00:11:04.060 I don't, I actually don't think, uh, many people expected governor Abbott to say no, uh,

00:11:09.480 in Washington that is.

00:11:10.740 And so the message coming from Washington is overwhelmingly unanimous.

00:11:14.840 It might seem, uh, at the, at a first glance, like there's disagreement, but there's really

00:11:19.960 not disagreement, right?

00:11:21.060 What's happening is the president has, I would, I mean, I'm just going to call it, he's betrayed

00:11:26.140 this country by doing what he's doing with the border and allowing millions of people

00:11:30.580 to come in and change and, you know, make major changes to the country that we have and change

00:11:36.340 our, our political structure itself.

00:11:38.860 Um, and Democrats are enthusiastic about that program.

00:11:42.600 They'll say it's, you know, the, for human humanitarian reasons or whatever.

00:11:45.780 Uh, but then Republicans are going to pretend to criticize it, but what's the solution?

00:11:50.080 It's always going to be a bill or something that will codify more of this, uh, that will

00:11:54.500 not hold the president accountable, that will, uh, allow for a certain number of immigrants 0.81

00:11:59.340 to come in.

00:12:00.200 And then it allows the same process to continue on.

00:12:03.540 So really the, I think what's interesting is, is for all of my criticisms of governor Abbott

00:12:09.660 over the years, um, he did say no.

00:12:12.920 And although he's, he's definitely enmeshed in Washington, all state governors have to

00:12:18.420 be, um, you did see this division between the states and the federal government, between

00:12:25.300 Washington and, or the court and the country.

00:12:28.240 And I think that's where it was really interesting.

00:12:30.580 I think that's why people, the appetite was there.

00:12:32.920 People were so excited to see this, uh, because there, this, this, this divide between those

00:12:39.600 two entities, between the people and between Washington is real.

00:12:44.000 And I think people were hoping that they're, they would have some kind of champion to be

00:12:48.900 able to stand up to Washington for once.

00:12:53.020 And I think what's so critical here is the failure of the Biden administration to have any

00:13:00.540 real recourse.

00:13:01.480 They gave him an ultimatum and he just said, no.

00:13:04.860 And while Abbott can't himself stop all illegal immigration, that's not the point.

00:13:10.260 I explained to people, you need to play the man and not the ball.

00:13:13.540 The point here, we want to stop illegal immigration. 0.95

00:13:16.180 That's obviously very important, but it's never going to happen with the system we have now,

00:13:21.820 even with a Republican in office, even with someone like Trump doing his best, he still

00:13:27.480 couldn't get a wall built and all of the positive changes he made to immigration policy.

00:13:32.300 We're not only immediately revoked, but reversed so hard that we got the current situation we

00:13:36.880 have now.

00:13:37.440 And the Democrat and, and the beauty of, for the, of the situation for the Democrats is

00:13:41.860 they just have to leave the border open long enough.

00:13:44.500 They don't need to win.

00:13:45.500 They don't need, they don't need to ultimately, you know, control this policy forever because

00:13:50.060 every minute we lose, they're changing the demographics of the country.

00:13:54.760 They're changing the democracy of the country.

00:13:58.140 They're changing the voting patterns of the country.

00:14:00.120 They are securing generational victories in our current electoral system just by us being

00:14:07.260 paralyzed.

00:14:08.640 So the, so there's, there's no, there's no need for them to win the long victory because

00:14:13.860 they will inevitably, as long as they can simply keep things where they are.

00:14:18.740 And so the, you know, the problem is not solved by just stopping illegal immigration right

00:14:24.480 now, though that does need to happen.

00:14:26.140 What you need to do is shake the system up in a way where people think differently about

00:14:31.120 what's happening.

00:14:31.860 And that's why I actually, you know, uh, showed a little excerpt from, from my upcoming book

00:14:36.800 guys.

00:14:37.220 If you want to pre-order that you can do that Amazon, uh, you know, books, a million, all

00:14:40.860 those places, the total state.

00:14:42.280 But I, I specifically kind of talk about a scenario like this one.

00:14:46.480 I was like, Oh no, am I going to need to rewrite this book before it goes to press?

00:14:49.660 Because I specifically, you know, said at some point, these states will realize that it

00:14:56.080 is more advantageous to ignore the poisonous dictates of the federal government than to

00:15:01.620 comply with them, especially as the federal government becomes more inept and they dictate 0.98

00:15:05.960 more ridiculous things. 0.98

00:15:07.300 It will simply make more sense. 0.76

00:15:08.920 Just like DeSantis became the most popular government and governor of America and had a

00:15:13.360 massive boom in, in kind of, you know, conservatives coming into his state and, and reshaping the

00:15:19.160 electoral map.

00:15:19.940 All of that happened because he was willing to just say no.

00:15:23.580 Right.

00:15:23.960 And, and Abbott is taking a different, a similar step here and you can see more and more of

00:15:29.480 that.

00:15:29.740 And if there's no recourse by the federal government, the federal government keeps making these

00:15:35.060 ridiculous dictates that destroy the states they are affecting and people just say no, and

00:15:41.580 then they're better off for it and nothing happens. 0.76

00:15:43.800 And that's, that's a shift back to federalism.

00:15:47.420 That's a shift back to regional control.

00:15:49.440 And that's, that's a major shift.

00:15:51.160 And that means that the federal government has to negotiate again, because if they don't,

00:15:56.820 they just completely lose power.

00:15:58.780 Right now, the problem is that there is no negotiation with the federal government.

00:16:02.260 They control it all and they don't care.

00:16:03.700 And they're just going to tell you to pound sand.

00:16:05.320 And so you have to be in a situation where you can do the same thing.

00:16:08.220 And that's why this was such an important shift because it re it, uh, resets the terms

00:16:14.540 of the game.

00:16:15.500 It throws them out the window in a really critical way.

00:16:18.700 And if Biden doesn't find some way to exert his will, then other people are going to be

00:16:24.880 inspired, just like Abbott was in many ways inspired to do some of the things he did from

00:16:29.040 DeSantis, just the way Youngkin has been inspired to do some of the things that DeSantis

00:16:33.620 said, if Abbott can do this, that should inspire other governors as well.

00:16:37.480 And the, and more importantly, the pressure from the public becomes more expired.

00:16:41.240 The base starts demanding more and more because they can see that things can actually be delivered

00:16:45.680 victory that gets victory.

00:16:47.720 And this is momentum that I think is critical.

00:16:50.160 It's something that, like I said, it is just more important than even probably the election

00:16:54.560 of Donald Trump at this point is the realization of the base that they can make demands regionally

00:17:00.180 and win those things without having to fight through the swamp of the federal government.

00:17:05.060 I think you're exactly right.

00:17:06.560 I mean, I couldn't agree more really like after 2020, I wish that we could have appreciated

00:17:14.200 the sectional character of the country that we live in, because that's really where things

00:17:18.520 are moving because that's really where the solutions are.

00:17:21.500 As you've identified, just saying no is one of the most powerful things you can do for a,

00:17:27.000 for this, an administrative state of this nature.

00:17:30.380 Right.

00:17:32.020 We often want to go and tackle this thing head on.

00:17:35.720 That's a very American quality.

00:17:37.340 Like we want to go storm the castle, you know, get our pitchforks out.

00:17:40.760 But really where I think we have the most leverage is by saying no and not just saying like,

00:17:46.800 no, once here, once there, but all of us saying no together.

00:17:49.900 That that's really what I think what excited people about the governors coming out.

00:17:55.100 That's why I was thrilled, frankly, to see Ron DeSantis go back to Florida.

00:17:59.360 You know, I, I, I really like Ron DeSantis.

00:18:02.220 I've never really changed my opinion of him overall as a governor since even when he was running,

00:18:07.760 but watching him be able to go back into the captain's chair and be the kind of governor he's

00:18:13.060 been.

00:18:14.000 And really, if you look at it, he's probably taken a lead over habit on this whole situation.

00:18:18.140 He's been in the news ever since, uh, over and over being very energetic about this issue

00:18:23.980 as the governor of Florida and showing that he can say, no, I, I agree with you.

00:18:29.440 I think that even though it's been disappointing to see that, um, this is kind of fizzled out

00:18:34.200 in people's attention.

00:18:35.440 Um, I, I do think the message was loud and clear because it's the same message that's resounding

00:18:40.600 across the world.

00:18:41.720 There's a reason why our near peer adversaries are very active right now.

00:18:46.680 There's a reason why we have hotspots all over the world.

00:18:49.920 And it's not just because we have a terrible foreign policy establishment.

00:18:53.740 That is true, but it's also because, you know, it's like smelling blood in the water.

00:18:57.760 There's weakness and people can feel that.

00:19:00.120 And they can sense that Washington has been, it's very powerful.

00:19:03.580 It's been strong.

00:19:05.180 And the Pox Americana has been really present in our whole lives.

00:19:09.260 Well, all that's changing.

00:19:10.220 So you have to know that if our adversaries can sense that abroad, you know, our other people

00:19:15.220 in positions of power domestically also sense that, that we have a very weak president,

00:19:19.160 we have an administration that's willing to lie and willing to not enforce the law.

00:19:24.120 And so it's, it's really a question of like, well, what can we do?

00:19:27.400 What can we get away with?

00:19:28.740 And this, and, you know, people will criticize me when I say this, but this is politics.

00:19:34.060 That's really in the political realm.

00:19:36.140 You push your, your limits as far as you can without necessarily fully or openly violating

00:19:41.620 the law, right?

00:19:43.120 And there are questions that can only be settled politically.

00:19:46.300 And that's, that is the nature of the American political system.

00:19:49.540 And, and, and I make this case often, but one of the worst things about, you know, the total

00:19:53.880 state, and I love that that's, it's a great way to describe this thing we're dealing with

00:19:57.980 is that it's pushed regular people outside of the political realm.

00:20:02.960 And by doing so, we can't solve these problems in the best way.

00:20:07.360 They're always administrated out, out of our, outside of our purview or our control.

00:20:13.000 And so it creates a lot of really unhappy, difficult situations.

00:20:17.000 It creates a tinderbox where things are a lot more volatile, but see, if we can see more

00:20:22.260 red states, governors, communities be able to push back and say, no, I think that will

00:20:28.760 have a tremendous impact on, on the direction that we want to move as a collective, like collectively.

00:20:35.740 So even a decision by, you know, Greg Abbott, it went, it was in the news for about a week.

00:20:42.820 It inspired a lot of people, but, but I don't think that it was all for naught.

00:20:47.600 This is maybe one of the only places, unlike national politics, this is one of the only

00:20:51.160 places where I think, I think these wins build upon each other and they, they can actually

00:20:57.040 become something real, a real groundswell.

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00:21:04.620 wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners?

00:21:08.520 Like that woman over there with the Italian leather handbag. 1.00

00:21:11.620 Is that from Winners?

00:21:12.800 Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt. 0.99

00:21:15.340 Did she pay full price?

00:21:16.580 Or those suede sneakers?

00:21:18.140 Or that luggage?

00:21:19.240 Or that trench?

00:21:20.380 Those jeans?

00:21:21.060 That jacket?

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00:21:30.200 Now you mentioned this a couple of times.

00:21:32.100 So I want to go back because this was, you know, your piece was you, you talked about

00:21:37.060 the, the constitutional crisis that might be on the horizon.

00:21:41.360 And you point out that we've been through several, uh, many people would recognize some

00:21:46.640 people who are unfamiliar with, with some of the deeper cuts of American history might

00:21:50.780 not recognize, but you point out.

00:21:53.040 And I think this was the most important part that the, the one we're looking at now, the

00:21:57.260 possible one that could be shaping up at, at Eagle Pass is not actually starting here.

00:22:04.020 This is actually a very old constitutional crisis.

00:22:07.240 We're at the end of this constitutional crisis, not the beginning.

00:22:10.460 And I think that's really important for people to understand.

00:22:13.320 That's something I try to explain to, to, to conservatives so often, and especially those

00:22:18.380 that are focused on the constitution itself as the, as the first solution is that the

00:22:24.480 constitution has been invalidated because of constitutional crisis for a very long time.

00:22:31.160 And what we're seeing is just the most extreme end of a problem that began a long time ago.

00:22:36.960 So could you walk us through a little bit of what you said in that article, where this constitutional

00:22:42.060 crisis actually originated?

00:22:43.800 Absolutely.

00:22:44.800 Absolutely.

00:22:45.800 Um, I think it's really important for like regular rank and file conservatives to, um,

00:22:51.800 that most people love the constitution.

00:22:53.800 So, um, when I'm talking about the constitution here, I'm not denigrating the document itself

00:22:59.380 at all, actually.

00:23:00.380 Um, but we, but like you say, we need to be realistic and we need to understand the history

00:23:05.720 of this in a way we've grown up in a post-constitutional America and our parents grew up in a post-constitutional

00:23:13.020 America.

00:23:14.020 Yeah.

00:23:15.020 Sorry.

00:23:16.020 I don't want to interrupt you there, but I just want to stop and focus on that because

00:23:18.020 it's so important.

00:23:19.020 It's so important for people to understand.

00:23:21.020 You have never lived in a constitutional Republic that that's really hard for people to hear,

00:23:29.020 but it's really important because they think they're just going back to the government that

00:23:33.020 their parents or even their grandparents lived under.

00:23:36.020 But they, you, for generations have not lived under the form of government you think you

00:23:42.020 have.

00:23:43.020 And that's really hard for people to do because you can't think about solutions.

00:23:47.020 If you don't understand that all the solutions you're reaching for in the near past weren't

00:23:53.020 operating under this system either.

00:23:55.020 And so I think that that point you just made is just so critical that I wanted to stop and

00:24:00.020 drive it home for people.

00:24:02.020 This system has not operated in your lifetime, your parents' lifetime, maybe even your grandparents'

00:24:08.020 lifetime.

00:24:09.020 And so I just think it's really important that when we look for solutions, we recognize

00:24:13.020 that yes, the constitution is a powerful document, but you have not lived under it.

00:24:18.020 And that's something you want to grasp when you're trying to restore its power.

00:24:24.020 Exactly right.

00:24:25.020 And you're right.

00:24:26.020 This is hard.

00:24:27.020 This is, it's not really hard for progressives.

00:24:29.020 If you, if you were to say something like this, it's really hard for conservatives for

00:24:34.020 various reasons that I think are all noble.

00:24:37.020 But it's important to know that we have had multiple constitutional crises throughout our

00:24:42.020 history, but the most important one that is often almost always overlooked.

00:24:47.020 There's probably, I imagine there's probably a section in Wikipedia that talks about constitutional

00:24:51.020 crises.

00:24:52.020 I would doubt that they would put this in here.

00:24:54.020 But really when the nation, when the nation experienced the great depression and there

00:25:01.020 was a massive sea change, and this is not just a massive sea change politically, it was

00:25:07.020 this, it was really a revolution.

00:25:08.020 And that's really the word I think we need to focus on because a revolution is, is sweeping.

00:25:14.020 It's, it's, it really, it, it drives so many other aspects of our culture and our society,

00:25:20.020 our way of thinking.

00:25:21.020 And it, and it tears down old things and erects new ones.

00:25:26.020 And it's complete, you know, it doesn't always happen at once.

00:25:30.020 And that's also important to note, but that the effects of it are total.

00:25:34.020 And that's, that's where we, we need to be able to understand this as a revolution.

00:25:39.020 It was really a revolution against the constitution in a lot of ways.

00:25:43.020 Um, and so when, and I, I use this as a good jumping off point, but the, the, the start of

00:25:48.020 the new deal and the, uh, the great depression, you know, Roosevelt, when he was elected, uh, he

00:25:55.020 came in and, uh, the old outgoing president had already kind of set him up to solve this,

00:26:02.020 uh, this economic crisis and in the way that he understood as, as a president in a constitutional,

00:26:09.020 um, order would solve a problem like this.

00:26:12.020 And, and, and Roosevelt's way of, uh, of approaching the problem.

00:26:17.020 Although he, he used a lot of his predecessors, um, solutions and implemented those and integrated

00:26:24.020 those, um, Roosevelt was different.

00:26:27.020 And what Roosevelt did is, uh, essentially Roosevelt upended the constitutional order gradually.

00:26:33.020 And this was done through beginning with the new deal.

00:26:36.020 And then it really culminated with the war.

00:26:39.020 And, uh, you know, there, I, there's a lot of granular details someone could go into, but

00:26:44.020 I think for listeners who are just kind of new to this way of looking at histories to understand

00:26:48.020 that, um, the, the, the, the world changed at this time all around the world, it was changing.

00:26:56.020 You saw this happening in other countries.

00:26:58.020 This is a good reference points.

00:26:59.020 You can understand that the United States was under many of the same strains and was dealing

00:27:04.020 with the same trends that was driving dramatic radical change abroad.

00:27:08.020 Um, but that the United States transformed over this period of time, you have a lifetime

00:27:13.020 president, right?

00:27:14.020 Um, you have more legislation passed within the first, uh, six years of his presidency.

00:27:21.020 So, you know, between a first and second term that had been really passed in the entire

00:27:25.020 history prior to that of the, in the American system, more money was spent within his, within the

00:27:32.020 new deal that had ever been spent by the government before.

00:27:36.020 This was a dramatic change.

00:27:37.020 And with the new deal, it was not a sweeping like stroke of the pen of creating this new

00:27:42.020 system.

00:27:43.020 It was organic.

00:27:44.020 It evolved and it was meandering.

00:27:46.020 So it, it grew gradually.

00:27:49.020 But the thing was this is that, you know, the president had Congress in his hand and he was

00:27:54.020 able to navigate this crisis through the establishment of an administrative government in which the

00:28:01.020 constitution, which had always been a supreme authority.

00:28:04.020 Okay.

00:28:05.020 That's the authority and the government is power.

00:28:07.020 These things were always perceived to be separate, um, that they really became one in

00:28:12.020 the same.

00:28:13.020 And this is really the birth of what people might call the administrative government.

00:28:17.020 I love the, you know, you cut the total state.

00:28:21.020 This was the establishment of that.

00:28:23.020 And you'll notice that after, after the new, you know, after the total state or the administrative

00:28:28.020 state is established, many of these constitutional questions, uh, the constitutional order, uh, is

00:28:34.020 usurped by this unelected, largely unaccountable to anyone, a group of knowledge elites, you know,

00:28:42.020 that you have college professors are suddenly bureaucrats and that the power and authority

00:28:48.020 get centralized in Washington in such a way that, that certain matters that had always been

00:28:53.020 sorted out in the political realm are now, they've now transcended the political realm

00:28:57.020 and the government does change in its character.

00:29:00.020 It's no longer, you know, uh, our government is to protect individual rights.

00:29:04.020 It's our government needs to serve the people.

00:29:07.020 And the main question here, uh, that I put in the piece is that prior to this dramatic

00:29:13.020 change, it was understood that the people are sovereign.

00:29:16.020 It's, it's really in our founding documents.

00:29:19.020 It's the reason why Jefferson says, you know, the P that the government, that the established

00:29:24.020 government, that means the people establish the government, not that the government comes

00:29:27.020 first.

00:29:28.020 We recognize that governments are natural.

00:29:30.020 They'll always be there.

00:29:31.020 There's never been a state without a government.

00:29:32.020 There's never been a condition without a government, but the people are sovereign.

00:29:36.020 It was a, that is the essence of the revolution is that, um, how was Jefferson?

00:29:41.020 How are his contemporaries?

00:29:42.020 How are they going to justify, um, breaking away from, um, from England, from their monarch,

00:29:49.020 from their established government and Jefferson solution to this.

00:29:52.020 And as the way they saw it as part of a tradition was that the people are truly sovereign.

00:29:56.020 They always have been, uh, you know, that in their past, they would identify themselves as a free people.

00:30:01.020 Um, and that because they were sovereign, that they had the right to establish a government.

00:30:07.020 But that means that the people are really the cornerstone of this project.

00:30:11.020 And see with the revolution during the 1930s, uh, the new deal revolution, is it, is it really inverted that almost entirely?

00:30:19.020 So now the, the, now you have the state is sovereign.

00:30:22.020 The constitution is no longer a source of authority.

00:30:25.020 It's more like a guy.

00:30:26.020 They're more like guidelines.

00:30:28.020 Um, and that the constitution slowly starts to lose its, its grip.

00:30:33.020 There's not really a constitutional order to uphold.

00:30:36.020 It's more that the, the administrative state now has the unlimited power that it needs as, as a sovereign entity to be able to serve the people in any way that they see fit.

00:30:46.020 And where eventually as the new deal is established and later through the war, um, we come out of that and we emerge into the 1960s where a lot of conservatives will identify, well, this is the source of our problems.

00:30:58.020 You know, they'll identify the moral decadence that came from that.

00:31:01.020 I would argue that every kind of revolution has a moral revolution, a component at its core.

00:31:06.020 So every time you see massive changes in something like this, a transformation, there is a moral collapse that happens too.

00:31:12.020 And the seeds of that really are also, I'd argue in the 1930s.

00:31:15.020 And, uh, what, what happens in the sixties is, uh, Johnson and his great society, and this is a longstanding democratic project from that really has its seeds in the new deal.

00:31:26.020 This is kind of the full culmination of that new deal regime.

00:31:30.020 So you can't really look at one without the other.

00:31:33.020 I kind of look at the great society and the new deal as one and the same, just a long process.

00:31:39.020 Similarly, how we should look at world war one and world war two is really an ongoing singular conflict.

00:31:44.020 And so that is where I do my jumping off point into this piece by trying to explain that the constitution and the constitutional order was, was really usurped by this administrative state.

00:31:58.020 And that matters of politics, uh, were, were now taken outside of, of the people's hands and that they were, they were given to administrators and to an administrative government.

00:32:09.020 And so when we make constitutional arguments, when we get frustrated and say, well, why doesn't the constitution stop such and such?

00:32:16.020 We're really not understanding that the administrative state has power and authority and the constitution no longer has the authority that it used to.

00:32:26.020 All it has left is legitimacy.

00:32:28.020 And, and I think it's really critical to understand, uh, the, the value of legitimacy.

00:32:35.020 I'll come back to that in just one second.

00:32:37.020 Someone, uh, asked, is this in this timeline, where was the cathedral established there?

00:32:42.020 They're, they're referencing Curtis Yarvin's concept of the cathedral.

00:32:45.020 And I think that's important to understand what Lafayette Lee is explaining is the, the establishment of the cathedral.

00:32:52.020 It is the assembly of the different parts of the cathedral.

00:32:55.020 You know, we can go back to Woodrow Wilson, perhaps to talk about the universities becoming, you know, the, the new, the new man, the professor becoming the bureaucrat, as you said, Lafayette.

00:33:05.020 But the FDR really established this as a total framework in a way that it, you know, it started under Wilson, but really it gained its, its true power under FDR.

00:33:17.020 Along with the massive bureaucracies that would be implemented the way that you're talking about.

00:33:22.020 And it's also important, as you noted to say that this is something that's happening all over the world.

00:33:27.020 It's not just happening in the United States.

00:33:30.020 It's one of Yarvin's favorite things to do.

00:33:32.020 I was at an event where he was talking and one of his favorite things to do is read out FDR's inauguration speech without telling you who it is and have people guess.

00:33:44.020 What do you think?

00:33:45.020 Mussolini, Hitler?

00:33:46.020 No, it's the president of the United States.

00:33:49.020 Because the way he's talking, it sounds like someone who's definitely planning a revolution to remake his country and, and ascend it to some kind of, uh, kind of, uh, new, uh, you know, imperial majesty.

00:34:01.020 And this is the managerial revolution that I've talked a lot about and that you were hitting on in your piece.

00:34:07.020 And this is something that all states underwent after industrialization and the ability to centralize power, particularly when mass media allows for mass propaganda.

00:34:18.020 This is something that fundamentally shifts the way that governments are run.

00:34:23.020 And we could probably get in a little bit into that shift because, uh, you know, as you said, the idea of the United States is that the people would always be sovereign.

00:34:31.020 My contention is that's impossible.

00:34:33.020 That's not what sovereignty means.

00:34:34.020 No, no, no people can be sovereign over themselves in the sense that, that most people think about it today.

00:34:40.020 And that might be a reason that it was so easy for the administrative state to, to ascend.

00:34:45.020 But no matter how you kind of pick a pick that apart, the point is that the way the government, uh, the way that the United States was governed fundamentally shifted away from regional power, away from a regional understanding of, uh, kind of community and, uh, and bonds there.

00:35:03.020 And instead it was made clear that these, you know, these new experts should be able to move into any part of the country and remake it in their image.

00:35:12.020 And that allowed for this argument we're having today because so much of the power of the government that was supposed to be created through checks and balances to handle different branches of the government has all been dissolved because everything is handed over to experts.

00:35:26.020 Everything's handed over, over to bureaucrats in the executive branch.

00:35:30.020 And so the legislative branch doesn't actually in, you know, create any real law.

00:35:35.020 They simply create more, uh, more experts, more, more bureaus that can apply more studies and statistics and things.

00:35:43.020 And those things then dictate to the American people what the actual legislation is going to be, which is why it feels like the legislature can't actually check the power of any of these people because it can't like who's running.

00:35:55.020 Like who's running the government during, uh, COVID is it, is it the Congress?

00:36:00.020 No, is it even Donald Trump?

00:36:02.020 No, it's Anthony Fauci.

00:36:03.020 Why?

00:36:04.020 Because the administrative state is the one that's actually in control.

00:36:07.020 No, that's exactly right.

00:36:09.020 Uh, something that I, I do, I, I agree with Yarvin on that.

00:36:12.020 I think maybe people that would look at the cathedral as simply like media and press need to remember that during this revolution, it created, you know, this was the, this was the beginnings of a rational state.

00:36:23.020 Like you said, across the world, this was, this was a trend, right?

00:36:27.020 So like even, even, uh, Soviet Bolshevism, um, in the, in, you know, over in Russia, this was, you know, there was the establishment eventually with the USSR of, of, of really the rational state.

00:36:39.020 Right. And we saw the same thing here that we have a rational state.

00:36:42.020 Now, what that means is, is that now you have the primacy of knowledge elites.

00:36:47.020 So, you know, now we have new dealers that are, you know, these are not these many of them.

00:36:53.020 I mean, I'm not taking anything away.

00:36:54.020 They were very, very capable people, some of them.

00:36:56.020 Um, but now you have university professors, uh, who would not really had a place in government.

00:37:02.020 Uh, but now they can become bureaucrats, like look at them as magistrates. 0.68

00:37:06.020 Right. And that with a rational state now of knowledge, elites are very, very important.

00:37:11.020 And that they fill the ranks of your new administrative state.

00:37:14.020 They become your administrators.

00:37:16.020 And what that means is, is that that separation between power and between the, the knowledge economy, it becomes one in the same.

00:37:25.020 So it makes a lot of sense to look at this, maybe as Yarvin would with the cathedral is that you have something like journalists have a lot more in common with a bureaucrat in Washington.

00:37:34.020 They, uh, they swim in the same waters than they would like a farmer down in Iowa, right.

00:37:39.020 As a citizen.

00:37:40.020 And this is really important that I think people need to remember that, that this not knowledge elite, this rational state, uh, this is a new create.

00:37:49.020 This is a new thing, uh, that had, that had really come up and really swept the world.

00:37:54.020 And so there's a reason why people feel this gulf between, as I am a citizen of a state and I live in my community and I grew up hearing about the constitution and the bill on the hill and, and so on and so forth.

00:38:08.020 And then when you actually see what Washington is and how it, what it does, and you recognize that there is a separation.

00:38:15.020 And that separation is something that, um, I see as a major point of tension between millions of Americans, especially in red States, uh, Republican voting, red blooded, conservative type Americans see themselves as citizens within a constitutional Republic.

00:38:31.020 And, um, I would say blue state America for the most part.

00:38:34.020 And, um, I would say blue state America for the most part.

00:38:36.020 And then Washington as its locust doesn't see it that way at all.

00:38:38.020 It's post, you know, they, they view this as the supreme authority is the administrative state.

00:38:43.020 And they're actually correct because that is where power and authority reside.

00:38:46.020 Uh, the one thing that red state America, they're the constitutional, uh, maybe those who subscribe to constitutionalism still is they actually have, they have a one winning argument and that is that they have legitimacy on their side.

00:39:01.020 Uh, but the separation is very real.

00:39:04.020 And the tension I would argue between governor Abbott and between the white house is really, uh, it's really the same struggle between these two things.

00:39:11.020 It's, it's really a fight between power and authority versus legitimacy.

00:39:15.020 Yeah.

00:39:16.020 And I really liked that framing because you're exactly correct.

00:39:19.020 The one thing that probably the States and those opposing the total state right now have on their side is that the federal government still pretends to follow the constitution less and less every day, but they still make their justifications in the language of the constitution.

00:39:39.020 They still follow the forms of the constitution, even if they, they actually act their power out in, in a different way.

00:39:46.020 And that means that the story that's being told to people about why the people in charge are legitimate is the constitutional story, uh, as where, uh, you know, the, the truth is their power is wielded from that expertise from that administrative.

00:40:03.020 So they, they're right now their exercise of power and the story of their legitimacy don't work together.

00:40:11.020 They're, they're at odds.

00:40:12.020 And this is something that is really important dynamic for people to understand because eventually they're going to try to jettison the constitutional story.

00:40:19.020 They're already in the process of it.

00:40:21.020 Uh, Yarvin describes this as going from the two story state to the one story state.

00:40:25.020 Right now we have two stories about legitimacy in the United States.

00:40:28.020 We have the constitutional story and then we have, uh, kind of the civil rights revolution, religious narrative paired with the administrative state.

00:40:38.020 And this is important for people.

00:40:39.020 Uh, I saw someone say is though, does this mean it's a technocracy?

00:40:42.020 And I would say no, only because of this, you need to remember that there are two parts to, you know, we have our constitutional story.

00:40:50.020 The one that, that Lafayette has been talking about that gives legitimacy, but the other side of what that the one that the, our current, uh, regime is operating under.

00:41:00.020 It's a twofold system.

00:41:02.020 One is the, is the authority of the administrative state due to experts, which we've talked about here.

00:41:07.020 The other one is the spiritual or moral revolution that Lafayette mentioned.

00:41:12.020 And that one is the civil rights revolution that that is the, the woke revolution that we live under.

00:41:20.020 And so the moral component is the woke civil rights revolution.

00:41:24.020 And the, uh, kind of, uh, more, uh, the more power component is the authority.

00:41:30.020 The rational component is the authority given by the administrative state.

00:41:35.020 And it's easy to see how these two interact.

00:41:38.020 So for instance, uh, when BLM is happening, that is a flex of the state of exception on the woke revolution side of this divide.

00:41:49.020 So all of a sudden Antifa can light your city on fire.

00:41:53.020 Uh, that, you know, the BLM can break through your target and, and, and rampage it.

00:41:58.020 Guys, remember the sacking of the target is important because who cares about target in the sense of it's a multinational corporation that hates you.

00:42:05.020 It's important because it's happening in your town.

00:42:07.020 It's disrupting the, the, the order of your town and your city and the safety therein.

00:42:12.020 But, um, but that's the suspension of the law, the, the exercise of, uh, uh, of the state of exception on the woke religious side of these things.

00:42:24.020 So the way that it's exercised under the administrative state is again, a great example is Anthony Fauci.

00:42:31.020 So this, this is where formalism is very helpful.

00:42:34.020 So in the Roman Republic, there was a formal office of dictator.

00:42:39.020 You had two guys called consuls who are elected as presidents every year.

00:42:45.020 And they were the ones that basically, you know, the ran the country and they, you know, new ones were elected every year.

00:42:51.020 There's a certain number of times you could, you could serve.

00:42:53.020 You had to have a certain amount of space between when you'd be consul, but the, but that's the normal way that government operated.

00:43:01.020 However, in a state of emergency, when Rome was really in trouble and they had to solve a problem right now, they would, uh, invoke, they would create a dictator.

00:43:11.020 The dictator was not so, you know, we use it today as a, as a pejorative, but under the Roman government, this was just a real office that they knew that they needed.

00:43:19.020 Because when the crisis happened, you didn't want these two guys arguing with each other and them arguing in the Senate.

00:43:25.020 No, we need to save the country right now.

00:43:27.020 And so we need all the authority vested into this dictator for a period of six months.

00:43:32.020 And his, his job is to solve one problem.

00:43:35.020 And if he doesn't solve that problem in six months, it doesn't matter.

00:43:38.020 He's still, he loses his authority as dictator.

00:43:41.020 And so, uh, in this moment, you, the dictator has that state of exception.

00:43:47.020 The, the constitution of Rome is more or less suspended in those moments.

00:43:52.020 And, and, and, and, you know, it's still operates for the average citizen, but he has the authority to work, to solve that particular problem.

00:43:59.020 Any Roman would have looked at Anthony Fauci during the pandemic and said, oh, that's a dictator because it's exactly what we did. 0.93

00:44:07.020 We see that all of the normal processes, all the normal authority over to Fauci in dictatorial fashion.

00:44:14.020 The problem is that's not unique.

00:44:17.020 That's all we do.

00:44:19.020 All we do is hand that normal constitutional legislative and executive authority over to a rotating, uh, you know, uh, uh, oligarchy of dictators that each one of them, there's a, sometimes it depends on the situation, but each one of them rules with this state of exception in those moments.

00:44:39.020 And so we can see on two parts of this divide, you know, the two parts of this, uh, of this story on the left of this to where they get their legitimacy.

00:44:48.020 Sometimes it's a civil rights revolution.

00:44:50.020 Sometimes it's the rational authority of the administrative state.

00:44:54.020 And that's what, uh, Lafayette is pointing out here is the battle we're seeing now is the right is trying to assert normal constitutional order.

00:45:02.020 The left is saying, no, the administrative state is correct.

00:45:06.020 We have the state of exception on our side at all times, and there's never a legitimate reason for you to question that the constitutional order just doesn't apply here anymore.

00:45:16.020 That's exactly right.

00:45:19.020 And we, we live in this time where power is, it's hard to know.

00:45:25.020 We know that people, government officials have authority.

00:45:29.020 We know that the state has authority, but we don't actually know who is in charge of this thing.

00:45:34.020 It's incomprehensible to us.

00:45:36.020 This is also very unique in our history is, you know, we have these, we have people that supposedly represent us in Congress.

00:45:44.020 We have a president, but it, I think more and more we're seeing like, they're not actually in charge of anything.

00:45:50.020 There's a lot of ceremonial duties to that, but they're not, they're not the power.

00:45:54.020 They have authority, but they don't have the power.

00:45:56.020 And over time, I think what's happening and why I would say that the state, the administrative state or the total state is acting so incoherently and desperately is because they recognize that lack of legitimacy is being,

00:46:11.020 is being widely seen by millions and millions of people, like an idea, like something like immigration.

00:46:17.020 Sure.

00:46:18.020 The president has the authority to enforce the laws of the land.

00:46:22.020 That's his constitutional duty.

00:46:24.020 Um, but he's facilitating an invasion of millions of people into this country.

00:46:28.020 Um, you don't even have to go and argue whether that's good or bad.

00:46:32.020 It just comes to the question of why would the president do this?

00:46:36.020 Like, why would he not fulfill his constitutional duties?

00:46:39.020 That's a great place just to start and focus on the argument.

00:46:42.020 And it's, it more and more people are recognizing that there's, that this is an illegitimate thing that even if they can't, you know, distinguish between the different branches of government, even if they struggle to articulate what legitimacy means, they see a lack of legitimacy there.

00:47:01.020 And I, I think it's no, it's no, you know, it's no wonder why this fight really started between a state governor and between the president of the United States between Washington, because that's where the Gulf is widest.

00:47:16.020 We know that like a state is going to protect their people.

00:47:19.020 That's its most basic thing that it needs to do.

00:47:22.020 These are old, old concepts.

00:47:23.020 They've been there since the beginning.

00:47:25.020 So it's almost insane to think that a state governor wouldn't have the ability to protect his own citizens, that he wouldn't be able to protect his borders against an invasion or against people that are not supposed to be there.

00:47:37.020 And so, obviously, if any commonsensical person would say, well, then the authority should fall on the, on the governor to be able to enforce the law that's not being done because of a derelict president.

00:47:49.020 And for the president to oppose that, that's where we're seeing this real fight between power and authority and legitimacy.

00:47:56.020 And so I think that is really important.

00:47:58.020 I'm glad that it's becoming more and more visible to people.

00:48:02.020 I would argue that most of the things that we, we talk about online and that the, the, the drive a lot of the controversies really start at this, this, this place at this division between those two things, because somehow the total state is going to have to find a way to become more legitimate.

00:48:20.020 And I agree with you, I think it's eventually going to be that they're going to have to jettison the Constitution in some way, where it might not be so obvious, but they have to do that.

00:48:30.020 Because if they don't do that, they're going to continue to, to struggle, they're going to, if they don't have that legitimacy, they're going to continue to have to deal with an unruly difficult population.

00:48:41.020 And perhaps that's why immigration is what it is today. 0.89

00:48:45.020 You know, it's very possible that that is the solution.

00:48:48.020 I think that's exactly what the solution is, is if, if your current population won't support the regime in a democracy, you just get a new one.

00:48:57.020 And I think that that's, that's exactly the plan.

00:49:01.020 And I think not only is it the plan, I think that the left has announced it as their plan on a pretty, pretty regular basis in between saying, oh no, how could you, how could you notice?

00:49:12.020 They cheer on, of course, you know, whenever it's actually happening, the thing that isn't happening, it's, you know, it's not happening, but it's good that it is.

00:49:21.020 And that, that's always their approach to it.

00:49:23.020 All right, Lafayette.

00:49:24.020 Well, let's go ahead and switch over to the questions of the people.

00:49:27.020 But before we do, can you tell people where to find this article and all of your other great work?

00:49:31.020 Thank you.

00:49:32.020 Yes.

00:49:33.020 If you go to I am 1776, you can Google that, or you can just go to I am 1776.com.

00:49:40.020 The article is called the making of a constitutional crisis.

00:49:43.020 You can find me on Twitter at partisan underscore O.

00:49:47.020 And then you can also find my sub stack.

00:49:49.020 It's at ruins.substack.com.

00:49:52.020 Excellent.

00:49:53.020 All right.

00:49:54.020 Make sure you're checking it out.

00:49:55.020 Lafayette is killing it over there.

00:49:57.020 All right.

00:49:58.020 So author T says, doesn't getting to this point of brinksmanship seem to be an inevitable result of strike down almost every reasonable policy law passed by the American people to restrict immigration in the last 50 years?

00:50:10.020 Yeah, exactly the case.

00:50:12.020 Like I said, it's very clear that both the Republican and the Democratic Party have no interest in ending mass immigration in the United States, both illegal and legal.

00:50:23.020 It's just something that both sides have no interest in doing.

00:50:27.020 That's why Donald Trump, even though he was incredibly flawed in many ways, became popular is this is one of actually I'll just just break in right here.

00:50:38.020 This is what this was my original red pill.

00:50:40.020 Like this was my original understanding of where we are now, because I had always been a talk radio conservative.

00:50:46.020 I was on kind of this neocon, you know, wavelength.

00:50:49.020 And then I started I saw the immigration crisis in Europe and I saw the response to Donald Trump, who I was not a big fan of when he first came onto the scene.

00:50:59.020 And I was like, why are people reacting this way?

00:51:03.020 You know, I've been told my whole life that this and then I looked into the data and found that actually both sides, even even most of the left until just about a decade ago, really were against illegal immigration and large scale immigration in general.

00:51:19.020 And I was like, OK, if everyone is against this, even most of the left up until a little, you know, the propaganda really kicked in the last decade or two.

00:51:28.020 Why has this been the ongoing policy of both parties?

00:51:32.020 And it became very clear, like something is wrong here.

00:51:36.020 You know, if a democracy is supposed to be a reflection of the will of the people and nobody wants to do the thing that everybody in Congress is saying we have to do, then there's a major disconnect here.

00:51:48.020 And the reason they hated Trump is he said what people wanted to hear.

00:51:52.020 Now, they we might have disagreements on how effective he was or if he could even have been effective in that environment.

00:51:58.020 But I think it's very clear that, yeah, the reason we've arrived here is that, you know, is that there is no other option for people.

00:52:05.020 They recognize that all of their normal recourses in what should be a constitutional order don't work.

00:52:11.020 And that's why I thought Lafayette's, you know, peace was so good because it pointed out exactly that battle between what people believe is the constitutional order and the actual order of the administrative state that is is implementing the policies we're seeing now.

00:52:24.020 We've got creeper weirdo says monoparty seating in silence.

00:52:31.020 Yes, exactly.

00:52:32.020 The you can really see the monoparty working here as the Republicans attempt to swoop in and save Joe Biden from the worst political crisis.

00:52:40.020 He's had in his entire presidency.

00:52:42.020 If you want to understand the monoparty, there is no better picture than watching Republicans attempt to rush to the rescue of a man who is drowning in a constitutional crisis.

00:52:52.020 If they were an actual opposition party, they would see this as a moment of opportunity.

00:52:56.020 But they aren't.

00:52:57.020 So they don't.

00:53:00.020 James Coffey says Abbott isn't is not stopping the flow.

00:53:06.020 Infowars is filming crossings happening.

00:53:08.020 Abbott implies more bussing.

00:53:10.020 Sorry, I can't click on that link at the moment with the way this is set up.

00:53:14.020 Look, I totally believe that crossings are happening right now.

00:53:18.020 Obviously, Abbott does not probably have enough resources to secure the entire border.

00:53:24.020 Maybe he does.

00:53:25.020 Maybe he applies everything he could, but he's probably limiting himself to that particular past for a reason.

00:53:30.020 Remember, they're playing a game of brinksmanship with the law here and their ability to prove that they have sovereignty over that particular area is probably key before they attempt to spread things out.

00:53:42.020 Again, my point is not you want to play the man, not the ball.

00:53:46.020 I understand that the goal is to shut down all illegal immigration.

00:53:50.020 But right now, that's not the key point.

00:53:53.020 The key point is to show the fault line, because look, even if you shut down all of Texas, yeah, they can just get illegal immigrants in other ways. 0.96

00:54:00.020 Like Texas isn't the only place illegal immigrants come in.

00:54:04.020 But by showing that this system is broken and showing that a governor could exert authority, that's the key.

00:54:09.020 I know a lot of people oppose the busing strategy.

00:54:12.020 A lot of people grumbled about that.

00:54:14.020 I get that.

00:54:15.020 But simultaneously, do you think Abbott would have taken these steps without that?

00:54:18.020 Do you think that places like New York would be recognizing the problems they are now without that?

00:54:23.020 I know a lot of people say, oh, well, you're bringing immigrants deeper into the country.

00:54:26.020 OK, well, sorry.

00:54:27.020 But leaving them all in, you know, southern states like mine isn't a solution either.

00:54:31.020 So I'm sorry that some people have to deal with the same problems we do.

00:54:34.020 But I don't think the real problem of immigration is the state that these people happen to be in.

00:54:38.020 Unless, of course, you think that this is only a problem for border states, in which case my reaction is, well, sorry.

00:54:45.020 Like, enjoy the enjoy the problems we've been dealing with.

00:54:49.020 I don't know if you have anything to add there, Lafayette.

00:54:51.020 I'm not trying to run over here.

00:54:53.020 No, no, you're right.

00:54:54.020 Yeah.

00:54:55.020 One thing I think people need to two points here is that this this crisis would not be a crisis without it becoming everybody's problem.

00:55:05.020 And so I agree with you there that this needs to be understood to be a nationwide crisis, not just a border state crisis.

00:55:12.020 And so I think that's very important.

00:55:13.020 It drives the fault line.

00:55:15.020 And then the other thing, too, is it shows it shows people directly that when you send somebody to Washington, a congressperson, for example, that you might believe and hope has your best interests at heart, that Washington operates for itself.

00:55:28.020 And that includes Republicans and Democrats in Washington.

00:55:32.020 And this is not a party thing.

00:55:34.020 I mean, parties don't exert the kind of control over people's lives that the administrative state does.

00:55:40.020 Congress has very much become a defender and a guardian of the administrative state, part of it.

00:55:46.020 You can't really look at it as a separate entity.

00:55:48.020 And so this shows that breakdown of of power and authority between a state governor and between Washington.

00:55:55.020 Washington. And you'll notice that even representatives of his own party from from his own state or from neighboring states are against him.

00:56:03.020 Absolutely. And Thuggo says public health officials supported BLM protests during the Floyd riots since racism hurts public health, spiritual and administrative support each other.

00:56:15.020 That's absolutely right. In fact, if you'll remember, and this might have been my favorite, most ridiculous part of of the pandemic. 0.52

00:56:22.020 Remember, you had to stay six feet away from each other.

00:56:26.020 Everybody needed to be masked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:56:28.020 And then when the riots occurred and all of these people were running around on top of each other, crawling on top of each other to secure their freedom televisions and that kind of things, their televisions of social justice.

00:56:39.760 If you remember, there were there were groups of scientists who came out and said and physicians who came in and said that actually the writing was good for the pandemic.

00:56:49.660 It actually stopped the flood or the flow of the coronavirus. So so that's how deeply the administrative state is willing to debase itself in order to help the spiritual side.

00:57:02.940 So that's a great point. There are many examples we could point to, but those are just a few of them.

00:57:07.700 I think you're right to point that out.

00:57:11.740 All right, guys, well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:57:14.780 But I once again want to thank Lafayette for coming in. Always a great time to talk to you, man.

00:57:20.420 Yeah, thank you so much. It was my honor.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - February 02, 2024

Constitutional Crisis ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee ｜ 2⧸2⧸2024

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