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00:00:38.100 The battle, now, politically, is often charged with attacks on products,

00:00:44.300 as often as it is on ideas.

00:00:46.520 You have domestic terrorism occurring with Tesla.

00:00:50.560 Tesla cars being attacked, graffiti on the plants,

00:00:53.560 because ultimately Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency

00:00:57.940 is linked to Donald Trump.

00:00:59.420 You have Canada getting rid of the Americano when it comes to your coffee

00:01:04.040 and replacing it with their own version of Freedom Fries.

00:01:07.440 Donald Trump is talking about selling our national identity.

00:01:11.060 I think $5 million is the going rate.

00:01:13.240 I guess it's better than just cheap cutting of the lawn,

00:01:17.540 which is what we were selling it for before.

00:01:19.360 But all of this feels like there's a real consumer identity tied to our nationalism,

00:01:25.680 that somehow products and corporations and consumption have become central to all of our culture wars.

00:01:34.320 And we wanted to talk about that a little bit.

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00:01:44.000 Yeah, thanks for having me on, Oren.

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00:01:46.740 Of course, we're going to dive into the progressive outrage,

00:01:50.840 the attacks on Elon Musk and Tesla,

00:01:53.300 the decision to try to push products and consumerism as core aspects of the national identity.

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00:03:07.560 So Trump comes in with this very large win,

00:03:12.300 this very large mandate.

00:03:13.840 He's definitely got a level of support that progressives and many of the left were not prepared for.

00:03:20.460 Many leaders across the globe, as well as the left here domestically,

00:03:26.060 obviously hate Trump.

00:03:27.360 They hate Elon Musk.

00:03:28.360 They hate everything attached to these people.

00:03:31.280 And they've been lashing out, kind of looking sullen,

00:03:36.120 ultimately having a difficult time finding a way to push back against Trump.

00:03:40.320 I think they've really been searching for an identity.

00:03:43.240 And what we're seeing now, kind of the weird thing that's starting to arise,

00:03:47.640 is an attack on American products.

00:03:50.460 Obviously, we see the overt vandalism of something like Tesla,

00:03:55.820 that they're committing against Tesla cars, Tesla owners, the factories or the stores.

00:04:01.920 And then we also see the weird obsession with changing American consumption.

00:04:08.060 If you were consuming something from America, be it whiskey or coffee that's named after Americans,

00:04:15.960 then you need to change the name.

00:04:17.180 This seems to be the strange avenue that people have gone down.

00:04:21.580 Now, as we referenced previously, we've seen the Freedom Fries phenomenon before from America

00:04:27.780 to kind of mirror the Canadian experience.

00:04:30.980 And of course, you look back to something like World War II,

00:04:33.360 and there were encouragements to buy American or to focus on consuming.

00:04:38.480 Or I think more interestingly, I'm sure we'll get into that in a second,

00:04:41.680 not consuming products in World War II in order to help the effort.

00:04:45.320 But what do you think about this shift towards consumer nationalism?

00:04:51.540 Is this really new?

00:04:52.940 Is it something that's always been with us?

00:04:54.640 Is it only kind of intensifying in this moment?

00:04:58.600 What's going on there?

00:05:00.160 Yeah.

00:05:00.480 So this brand name nationalism or consumer nationalism,

00:05:04.240 I really do think is sort of a byproduct,

00:05:06.920 more so now than maybe the last 30, 50 years than really what we've seen in the past.

00:05:12.400 I mean, there's a difference in World War II where there was a coherent national identity behind America

00:05:18.060 or any other country that was participating in that conflict,

00:05:21.240 that you could identify that that brand was owned by your countrymen,

00:05:26.120 that that brand or business was part of the war effort,

00:05:29.180 or was something that was going to be contributing to sort of the national cause, as it were.

00:05:34.040 Because the whole country at that time, not just the United States,

00:05:36.440 but virtually everywhere was participating in a total war economy.

00:05:40.400 It was on a war footing.

00:05:41.660 And even prior to that, you had brands that were associated with the national

00:05:46.020 and cultural, religious, and ethnic identity of a particular place.

00:05:50.160 Nowadays, not so much, primarily due to immigration.

00:05:53.100 And so it's interesting in the wake of, you know,

00:05:56.420 former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who just resigned, now Mark Carney's in charge,

00:06:00.500 that you have a nation that had been declared by Justin Trudeau many years ago,

00:06:04.400 almost a decade now, that America or that Canada is this post-national country.

00:06:09.200 You know, we don't really have this explicit identity or creed anymore.

00:06:12.220 And so when it comes to, you know, this, you know, joking claim or Trump just trolling or tooling

00:06:18.160 somebody that Canada should be the 51st state, which I think is a terrible idea.

00:06:22.800 You know, all of a sudden, we're now rallying around the maple leaf, we're rallying around the flag,

00:06:28.920 so to speak.

00:06:29.400 But we're doing it in a very performative, very liberal way, which finds itself kind of

00:06:34.360 in the stark contrast to the same questions that we're finding ourselves here arguing

00:06:39.320 and asking about in America.

00:06:40.880 Like, well, what is an American or what is a Canadian?

00:06:43.340 And so we're seeing all these, there's a viral video of someone, you know,

00:06:47.660 erasing the word Americano on a coffee stand, you know, menu price and listing.

00:06:53.560 And it says like the Canadiado or something like that, which, okay, fine.

00:06:57.180 You want to virtue signal that it's okay to be against Trump, and that's okay to be against

00:07:01.660 the United States, because a lot of progressives outside of the United States, and I mean, even

00:07:06.660 progressives inside America, the default is to hate, you know, predominantly white, middle 0.97

00:07:11.800 Republican voting America.

00:07:13.320 That's no big surprise.

00:07:14.660 You and I are quite used to that.

00:07:16.220 So the sort of rallying behind the brand name, well, obviously, it's the way to do it, because

00:07:20.880 you can't really rally around blood and soil or even around the national flag or the red

00:07:26.400 ensign or anything like that, because that's not appropriate for you to do as a progressive.

00:07:31.740 Really, the only thing that you can do is to make yourself a really good consumer.

00:07:36.600 And as much as the left or progressives want to rage against capitalism or rage against the

00:07:41.600 fact that there's no ethical consumption under it, if someone who is considered to be a cult

00:07:46.060 leader or a progressive higher up or their politicians say that it's good for you to consume

00:07:51.100 this product, it's not American, we support our own Canadian manufacturers or coffee or

00:07:55.900 whiskey or whatever, they'll do it, because they do have an ethical system.

00:07:59.840 They do have a moral value coding that they have inside of them, just like you talked about

00:08:03.800 earlier this week about progressives and conservatives having different moral visions.

00:08:08.440 We see that really the brand name, the product, the box product nationalism is the only safe

00:08:15.200 expression of patriotism or nationalism for progressives these days, because they have advocated and

00:08:20.940 have been quite successful so far at obliterating any historical notion of a nation, people, identity,

00:08:27.380 creed, and what have you.

00:08:29.360 Yeah, there's so much there that I want to get to.

00:08:32.480 But just to start off, you're exactly right to point to the fact that in World War II, yes,

00:08:37.960 there were focuses on certain consumption habits.

00:08:41.160 But one, like I mentioned, there was one of austerity, right?

00:08:45.160 You don't consume this.

00:08:47.240 Don't go out and buy this, even if it's not a foreign product, but just because it's needed

00:08:51.380 for the war effort.

00:08:52.320 Grow your own vegetables in the garden.

00:08:54.920 You know, gather rubber tires so you can donate them to the war effort that they need, you know,

00:09:01.040 to recycle these for the front lines.

00:09:02.800 There was an understanding that it wasn't just go out and consume this thing because that's

00:09:08.080 what our nation does.

00:09:09.460 It's consume only these products because they will, you know, only help the war effort or

00:09:15.720 don't consume at all, restrict yourself, something that you just don't see anymore.

00:09:20.920 Also in World War II, obviously, there's a much larger call, which is for men to go to

00:09:25.580 war.

00:09:26.200 If you're really at war, if you're really at battle, then you have to summon that patriotic

00:09:30.340 fervor.

00:09:30.980 People have to truly rally around a real national identity, the type that you're talking about.

00:09:36.440 And so that was a fundamentally different scenario.

00:09:39.980 Then you jump to, you know, 9-11, the kind of the post-attack in New York and kind of the

00:09:47.780 way that we approach the global war on terror.

00:09:50.120 And George Bush's first call isn't, hey, all patriotic Americans need to enlist.

00:09:55.640 I mean, given what we later know about that war, obviously, you can feel how you want about

00:10:00.760 that.

00:10:01.060 But at the time, his call wasn't just, OK, we have to go to war.

00:10:04.360 We have to fight his answer was, no, go to the mall, keep shopping, keep consuming, right?

00:10:09.760 Like this was the rallying cry for the United States.

00:10:14.240 There's still some tie to the patriotism.

00:10:17.780 Obviously, we still have that moment on ground zero.

00:10:20.020 And, you know, the world will hear you on the bullhorn.

00:10:23.000 So there's still some vestiges of patriotism at that time.

00:10:27.060 But we can start to see the shift.

00:10:28.700 And now today, as you point out, all of these ideas about nationalism are forbidden.

00:10:34.580 You have this post-national Canada.

00:10:37.260 You have this post-national idea for many countries.

00:10:40.420 But you still need these moments of patriotic nationalism when the machine wants it, right?

00:10:46.760 So Ukraine, it turns out you can't have any nationalism until people need to go die in 0.98

00:10:52.620 Ukraine.

00:10:52.920 And then actually, we're very blood and soil nationalists, but just for Ukraine, right?

00:10:57.680 Like that's a Ukraine is a very real country with very real borders.

00:11:01.360 It's a very real people.

00:11:02.540 And it needs to be protected.

00:11:04.540 Obviously, other countries are also allowed to spontaneously have a certain level of nationalism,

00:11:10.120 but it's not allowed to exist for most countries.

00:11:13.780 So you have this moment where Canada is trying to rally against Trump.

00:11:17.260 And even though it's gone out of its way to disassemble its national identity as much

00:11:21.540 as possible, all of a sudden, it needs to have a national identity so it can have a

00:11:25.760 contrast, so it can have a war with Trump.

00:11:28.000 But what is that national identity?

00:11:30.440 Tim Hortons, you know, fries with weird gravy and cheese on them like that.

00:11:37.360 That is what defines Canada is its consumption habits, because all of those other identities

00:11:43.200 have been hollowed out.

00:11:44.180 And so all of a sudden, we need nationalism, we have to summon it out of nowhere.

00:11:48.500 But the only thing left to do it with, ironically, for the left, is the very corporations and

00:11:54.340 the very capital process that they have decried for many, many decades.

00:11:59.960 Yeah, there was someone who had tweeted literally a decade ago where they had said, you know,

00:12:04.040 imagine in the future where some conservative pundit is showing off his electric car and the

00:12:08.440 left wants to burn it.

00:12:09.440 And we're right there now as we speak.

00:12:11.640 But it does illustrate that, you know, the age of even, say, like the Tea Party Republicanism

00:12:17.100 or the Occupy Wall Street progressivism that had emerged after, you know, the great financial

00:12:22.720 crisis of 2008, the recession that followed, that's a long, far bygone age at this point

00:12:28.680 in time.

00:12:29.080 Because again, the very kind of multinational corporations, all these things that are not

00:12:34.040 really owned by Canadians anymore, owned by Americans or owned by any other respective

00:12:39.060 nation that wants to hold out for themselves and have an identity.

00:12:42.060 Instead, those are the same people that are telling you and programming you that this is

00:12:45.580 what is it meant to be a Canadian or this is what it's meant to be an American.

00:12:50.440 I mean, the United States has its own problems.

00:12:52.840 Absolutely.

00:12:53.380 I mean, we have films that give these sort of biopic, biographical breakdowns of products,

00:12:58.620 whether it's Ray Crox, the founder of that movie or the Air Jordans film that came out

00:13:04.600 on Amazon, or I think now they have one about flaming hot Cheetos, like, we've now reduced

00:13:08.360 the American identity, we've reduced, even with the progressive reactions in Canada, that,

00:13:12.980 you know, to be a Canadian is to not be an American, it's to not have American products,

00:13:17.380 it's to support the progressives, it's to support Trudeau, it's to be so thankful for everything

00:13:22.220 that's been done, and to make sure that, you know, you rally around these Canadian things

00:13:26.620 of just simply via negativa America, which is a terrible way to identify yourself, because

00:13:31.760 that leads the question, and it begs it, is that, okay, outside of not being the United States,

00:13:36.540 well, what are you? And, I mean, the media has done a great job at sort of both an American and

00:13:41.260 Canadian cultural consciousness, that they're sort of just polite, relatively disarmed Americans 0.78

00:13:45.660 that don't really have our crazy politics, because they're still a large part of the

00:13:50.280 English system, whereas we aren't. But even then, that's a far cry for what Canadians actually

00:13:55.580 are and what they were. And if George Grant were alive today to see what had happened to his

00:14:00.140 country, he, I mean, he's still spinning in his grave as we speak, but he'd be horrified.

00:14:04.360 And the same thing happens in America as well, is that we've reduced our identity to this very gauche,

00:14:10.060 very kitschy, you know, cheeseburgers, beer, guns, etc., and pickup trucks, which is, you know,

00:14:16.180 a far cry from the rich historical and national tradition that America has when identifying itself,

00:14:21.760 as well as tying itself back to our European ancestry, both the English and the other Europeans

00:14:26.860 that came here in waves of immigration overhand. In doing so, we've allowed our debates about

00:14:31.900 national identity to be very watered down, whether it's, you know, creedal propositions,

00:14:36.960 or, well, if you just ascribe to these sort of products, if you just check all the boxes on these

00:14:41.320 subscription services, then all of a sudden you can be one of us. But as we know from our military

00:14:46.940 and the constant, you know, issues of spying and espionage, this desire to retrench and to have some

00:14:54.160 form of restraint in our national security policy, a nation is far more than that. And if you were to

00:15:00.020 even go back to, say, the progressive era of 1848, in the midst of all these revolutions,

00:15:05.520 and we were to read Ernst Renan's What is a Nation, most modern Democrats would read that,

00:15:10.840 and they would consider that like a white nationalist screed for simply identifying what a nation is based

00:15:16.520 on its people, its borders, its tradition, its religion, its language, things that we all consider

00:15:21.320 to be part of a nation. But instead, really, what it's been reduced to is, well, can you complain

00:15:26.480 about traffic? Can you, you know, are you also enjoying Amazon Prime product? Are you on Netflix

00:15:31.700 or whatever? And that's become the reduction for the national identity in these sort of post-national

00:15:37.440 states. And I think that there's still time to reverse that, or maybe there's still possibilities

00:15:42.360 for it, and it should be reversed. But it does illustrate that right now, our whole debates about

00:15:46.720 tariffs and trade wars has left us with just, you know, screaming over product and getting excited

00:15:52.440 for next product. You know, I was listening to Dave, the distributist, our both of our good friends,

00:15:58.940 and he was debating a leftist because Dave is an addict, and he just can't stop. And he was debating

00:16:04.360 a leftist on Break the Rules. And they were discussing immigration. And the leftist said,

00:16:10.500 oh, well, you know, illegal immigrants in Texas, they, you know, they go ahead and join the culture

00:16:17.520 right away. You know, they, I don't know, assimilate. Yeah, that's what we're looking for. 1.00

00:16:23.420 They assimilate right away. Well, and his justification was because they're buying F-150s,

00:16:30.360 like they're because they're driving around in F-150s. And it's so stupid. It's so cheap. Like, 1.00

00:16:38.300 first, you think that they can't buy F-150s in Mexico or Venezuela, but also, like, the purchasing

00:16:45.460 of a beat-up used pickup truck is a cultural assimilation for these people. Like, that's 1.00

00:16:51.840 genuinely how the left sees it. And I find this particularly hilarious because, of course,

00:16:57.300 Karl Marx believed that capitalism would de-territorialize, it would break down all

00:17:03.740 these nationalistic bonds and identity. And this is what he liked about capitalism. A lot of people,

00:17:08.920 you know, don't know this, but Marx liked this aspect of capital. He liked that it broke down

00:17:14.980 all these old allegiances, all these old unifying forces, because he didn't like those traditional

00:17:21.740 hierarchies, those traditional structures. And so the breaking down of the nation was a positive thing.

00:17:27.740 The idea that you would break down national identity, that capitalism would do that,

00:17:32.180 was something that he hoped eventually accelerated then, like, these contradictions in capitalism that

00:17:37.420 collapsed and brought about the communist revolution. But what has happened is that, indeed,

00:17:43.640 many of these people have replaced the national identity, the true, you know, more metaphysical,

00:17:50.860 communal understanding of identity into just these consumer products. And now that's the only thing

00:17:58.140 they know how to communicate with. So, for instance, I've told this story before, but when I was

00:18:03.240 teaching, we would play these, like, Jeopardy-style games, and you'd throw in a fun one every once in a

00:18:10.020 while. So here's one on the Civil War, here's one on the Industrial Revolution, and we'll do a fun one.

00:18:15.780 And the kids always wanted to do brand names. And that's because I taught in a majority-minority

00:18:21.600 school. Most of the kids were first-generation immigrants. A lot of them didn't speak English

00:18:27.460 or were very unfamiliar with American culture. But the one thing they all knew was how to shout

00:18:32.520 Burger King or McDonald's or Taco Bell when it popped up on screen. So they loved the brands,

00:18:39.440 because that was the one thing they were unified. That was the one language that unified the Tower of

00:18:44.900 Babel was consumerism. And so now you have this moment where there's a bunch of people who have

00:18:50.920 no connection to the American identity, no idea what it means to be American, can barely speak the

00:18:56.080 language. But their one unifying understanding of American culture is the fast food they consume

00:19:02.700 or the stuff that they're going to buy off Amazon. And that has become, in this, like, weird,

00:19:08.260 twisted, you know, monkey's paw version, like the Karl Marx legacy, right? Is that, yeah,

00:19:13.860 he got the destruction of national identity that he hoped for, but the contradictions of capitalism 1.00

00:19:19.880 never come because communism is stupid and it doesn't work. And so he's just trapped forever 1.00

00:19:25.480 in this completely deracinated, de-territorialized consumer economy with no national identity,

00:19:32.460 but it never transcends this moment. It just becomes more crass, more corrupt. And now it's become the

00:19:38.500 leftist way to identify nations. What are you eating? What are you buying? That's not the

00:19:43.840 left-wing definition of culture. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, culture being reduced

00:19:50.140 to something as minor as just the same awful food and poison that we put into ourselves

00:19:56.260 is not going to last long because all that that means now is that, you know, you have a mass of

00:20:01.460 people that are far more easily programmable. They have no historical ties to the country. As long as,

00:20:06.960 you know, the XYZ spokesperson says, this is the correct or morally right thing to do,

00:20:12.120 where there's this social emotional pressure in order to be considered progressive or to be seen

00:20:18.160 as good. And I mean, that really is sort of the motivating animus for a lot of liberals these days

00:20:21.800 anyway, is to be seen as a morally good person, despite not adhering to any traditional roots and

00:20:29.500 morality, whether they be Christian or otherwise. And that's sort of where we're resorted to. And that also 0.93

00:20:34.900 means the destruction and having some form of iconoclasm in place to do so. And I mean, we see this very

00:20:40.000 bluntly with, you know, just widespread arson and the destruction and graffiti of Tesla, whether it

00:20:48.240 be the cars themselves or at auto manufacturers and the dealerships where these are being sold.

00:20:54.780 And again, this is because it's seen as the morally right thing to do. It doesn't matter that Elon Musk

00:20:59.940 has described himself quite literally as a Democrat from 20 years ago, a 2005 Democrat, that doesn't

00:21:07.180 matter. It means that, you know, you have this orange Fuhrer that has to be destroyed. You've 1.00

00:21:13.180 aligned yourself with him. And that means everything is fair game. And that really does illustrate the

00:21:18.980 difference, I think, in the in the midst of the reaction from this administration about all these

00:21:22.840 things being destroyed. Yes, I know Trump did the whole sort of like show off with the Tesla at the

00:21:27.180 red car at the White House and through his support by an Elon Musk. I know that I think it was the

00:21:32.280 attorney general or at least someone up there and said that they're going to start investigating these

00:21:36.520 attacks as domestic terrorism, which is good. But it really does illustrate sort of the major

00:21:42.180 difference between the left and the right over these issues is that the left knows that it has

00:21:46.100 carte blanche authority and it won't ever be, you know, prosecuted or attacked, just like we saw in

00:21:50.800 the 70s with all these guys getting pardoned by Bill Clinton, that, you know, you can go out and kill

00:21:55.920 and destroy things if you're a leftist. But if you're a rightist, that's you can't all you can really do is

00:22:00.760 sort of just tweet about it. And we're dangerously getting close to another monitoring the situation

00:22:06.400 again. Well, that possibility of escalating violence is a particularly concerning one.

00:22:12.380 Of course, we've seen the left become more and more violent. A lot of people again, this is

00:22:17.400 unfortunately a very convenient cycle we go through. We tend to treat leftist violence as if it's a

00:22:24.160 surprise every time. But actually, it's a feature of life in the United States, one which we should not

00:22:30.460 have to endure. This is why it's very important that the left is ultimately crushed, because they

00:22:37.020 are a violent force. They are a force for disorder in the United States. The riots that have occurred

00:22:44.860 in the 60s, the violence and bombing in the 70s, you know, things like the Rodney King riots, LA riots,

00:22:51.460 these are not, you know, the BLM riots were not some singular thing that this this aberration that

00:22:59.100 occurred out of nowhere. These are this is a feature of leftist politics, leftists burn your city and try

00:23:06.620 to kill you. That is how they do politics. It is a club in the bag. It is a tool that they deploy when 0.99

00:23:14.560 they think it is appropriate. And so when we see this new escalation of violence, obviously, again,

00:23:21.820 we saw what happened in Ferguson, we saw what happened with the BLM, we see these steps along

00:23:27.600 the road. And then, of course, it leads to the shooting of Donald Trump, the murder of a Trump

00:23:34.660 supporter at the rally. We see that this is just a continued escalation. And now the left has turned to

00:23:42.340 civilian targets in a way, right? We see them celebrating the assassination of a health care

00:23:49.360 executive by Luigi Mangione. We see now this these attacks on Tesla. It seems that we might get a

00:23:58.080 weather underground style movement from the left. They lost at the ballot box. They lost in their

00:24:04.780 sacred democratic process. They can't win the election. They can't win the argument. All the censorship in

00:24:11.080 the world, all the soft power in the world is not giving them the results that they're looking for.

00:24:17.380 And so now when they can't kill Trump directly, the new plan seems to be attacking corporations,

00:24:24.320 attacking corporate heads, attacking people who are using certain products, and the hope that that

00:24:31.200 kind of terrorism will win them some kind of political victory. Are you worried that they'll

00:24:36.220 continue to expand these efforts to other forms of consumption, other products, other corporations,

00:24:43.200 other leaders, and other industries?

00:24:45.520 When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from Winners,

00:24:49.580 I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners? Like that woman over there with 1.00

00:24:55.820 the Italian leather handbag. Is that from Winners? Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt. Did she pay full price?

00:25:02.080 Or those suede sneakers? Or that luggage? Or that trench? Those jeans? That jacket? Those heels? 0.92

00:25:08.380 Is anyone paying full price for anything?

00:25:11.340 Stop wondering. Start winning. Winners find fabulous for less.

00:25:16.220 Well, I think that there's a possibility, or at the very least, it's encouraged by the left on these

00:25:22.840 matters. I mean, sure, there are some, you know, very kind of, we consider them lol cows who might get in

00:25:28.280 trouble for posting about Luigi or whatever, but I mean, like, they're still going to make their money.

00:25:33.500 There's still a radical group of people, patronage and otherwise, that are all in on this. And I think

00:25:40.020 that it is a possibility that there's either going to be some kind of escalation, or there's going to

00:25:44.340 be, at the very least, more attempts. I mean, even before Trump got into office, the Dobbs decision was

00:25:50.340 leaked. Someone tried to kill Justice Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. And, you know, this is,

00:25:56.220 and of course, Trump was shot at at least twice. And so, I mean, anything is possible. And I think

00:26:01.000 that if we continue to see, you know, it's not like 2017. It's not like the first Trump administration,

00:26:06.820 where there was sort of this effective neutering. There's now been, almost now collectively,

00:26:11.660 it'll be 10 years in June since he's come down the escalator, of the left radically sort of just

00:26:17.800 one-shotting their audience, basically, simply saying, this man is an existential threat to your way

00:26:23.120 of life. We will go back to 1950. The bio-Leninist machine has to continue. And if this does not

00:26:29.040 happen, then we are okay with you taking matters into your own hands. That's a radically crazy notion,

00:26:34.120 but it's also one that the left has advocated before in the past. So I wouldn't necessarily

00:26:38.760 be surprised if either different CEOs or different groups or different conservative leaders are going

00:26:45.240 to see it. Lately, there has been a trend on a very popular sort of mainstream conservative

00:26:51.220 commentators, maybe not necessarily people I follow, but guys that are sort of big and sort

00:26:55.340 of like the Trump, you know, MAGA sphere in general, that have been, you know, claiming it's been one

00:26:59.920 after another for the last two weeks about being SWATed. You know, someone's giving out their address

00:27:04.680 saying that there's a violent altercation and SWAT needs to be their firearms ready to kill.

00:27:08.760 That's attempted murder for all intents and purposes. And so if the commentariat is being targeted,

00:27:14.700 if industrial centers or, you know, dealerships are being targeted that are associated with Elon Musk,

00:27:19.760 you know, I think that it's really important that either Pam Bondi or someone in the, you know,

00:27:26.180 Trump camp that has some power understands what time it is, because you are basically dealing with

00:27:31.720 literal violent insurrectionists inside US soil. And you're going to have governors, you're going to

00:27:37.120 have mayors, and you're going to have police chiefs and the rest in these progressive cities that have

00:27:42.340 no problem defending them, because they've been defending them, they've been letting them off,

00:27:46.500 and they've been letting leftists and other radical crazies who shouldn't even be in this

00:27:50.480 country to begin with in the first place, you know, get away with murder, very literally.

00:27:55.540 Yeah, that's really important. And I did see Kash Patel say that the FBI is going to be treating

00:28:02.440 SWAT calls as a terrorist threat, that they're going to be looking into it, they're going to be

00:28:09.060 expanding that, that's good. I'd like to see more of that, honestly. And, you know, I say this,

00:28:16.500 without any, you know, excitement about it, but it's just true. And I think it has to be said at

00:28:23.480 this point, it's very clear that the left has become a terrorist movement inside the United

00:28:28.380 States, at least large swaths of the left are very comfortable with terrorism, they promote 0.91

00:28:34.360 terrorism, they promote assassinations, they celebrate assassinations, they want to hurt and kill 0.97

00:28:41.080 people on the right. And they have a network of, as you point out, you know, Soros-funded DAs,

00:28:48.820 NGOs that bail these people out, they have a network designed to alleviate the legal penalty as much as

00:28:56.480 possible for the terrorism that they engage in. And for too long, the right has been very careful with

00:29:03.680 its words about what's going on here, has been treating it as some kind of, again, weird one-off thing,

00:29:10.360 or a strange development that will go away. But what's becoming more and more clear is that,

00:29:15.520 you know, I just wrote a piece about how the Foxes tried to become lions, right? The left

00:29:21.020 had this vast censorship apparatus, they had this vast indoctrination apparatus, they were controlling

00:29:28.700 things through soft power, the way of the Fox, deceit, you know, manipulation, these things,

00:29:34.000 and it failed. And so they tried to move to hard power, they tried to arrest their political

00:29:39.340 enemies, they tried to throw them in jail, they tried to debank them, they tried to assassinate

00:29:45.160 them. And that also failed. And now that they have failed at soft power, and failed at formal hard

00:29:53.220 power, the desperation on the left is extremely high. And it seems like this extended, almost guerrilla

00:30:00.660 warfare terrorism is a very real goal for the left. Like they are encouraging it, they are cheering

00:30:08.560 it on, they are preparing to defang the legal consequences for it. And there really is just

00:30:15.340 no excuse. As you point out there, there has to be a full court press, I think, by the Trump

00:30:20.200 administration to crack down on this and make sure that these penalties are swift, powerful,

00:30:25.620 and effective, that they are, these people are not shielded by the left wing by their government,

00:30:32.060 governmental structures in different states or different DAs, different areas where they have

00:30:37.580 kind of built up this ability to protect terrorism. I think that that needs to be rooted out. I think

00:30:44.000 that that these people need to pay a very high price, because if they don't, this is only going to

00:30:48.740 escalate. Swatting, this kind of stuff is a direct form of domestic terrorism. And the people

00:30:55.200 involved need to be treated like domestic terrorists. And if you don't do that and do it

00:30:59.140 immediately, they're going to see that success. And they're going to continue to escalate it because

00:31:03.080 it's the only thing they have left. They can't win politically. They can't do it. They can't win

00:31:07.540 in even the realm of the marketplace of ideas as much as we've talked about that. They can't win the

00:31:13.920 debate. They can't win the arguments. They can't win the propaganda war. They can't win any of it.

00:31:18.920 The only thing left in them is violence. They know it and they are planning on it, it seems like.

00:31:23.180 Yeah, I mean, it really does seem to be the case. And unless this administration is willing to clamp

00:31:27.840 down on it, they will feel just like they did in the first Trump administration, just like they did

00:31:32.260 in 2020, where it is all bets are off. And we know what leftist violence looks like, whether it's

00:31:37.760 from the Red Scare in the 1920s, all of the terrorist and radical revolutionary groups in the 60s

00:31:43.040 and 70s. Again, I would recommend people read the great book Days of Rage. Those things are very likely

00:31:48.600 to happen again and have happened again. And I mean, unless Trump is willing to say Bortac or

00:31:53.380 somebody like they did in the 2020 riots against Antifa and other cities that are just hotbeds of

00:31:59.180 progressive radicalism, you're absolutely right. This militant leftism will continue. And the only

00:32:04.520 way that these things get crushed is with a swift and militant response to counter it and to close it.

00:32:11.480 But I think it's very concerning right now that things are slow to act. But I also recognize that

00:32:16.680 you know, there's still a lot of foxes in the hen house, so to speak, when it comes to this

00:32:21.400 administration. I know that it's been, you know, battling with the courts, and that they feel sort

00:32:25.660 of emboldened by this, that if the judiciary can just toss Article Two of the Constitution out,

00:32:31.620 then they're going to go ahead and do what they want. And it's really important that somebody,

00:32:35.600 whether it be Trump or someone else in that administration, recognize what time it is, because

00:32:40.300 the rest of us are all kind of waiting for that repeat of the 1960s and 70s, where, you know,

00:32:45.280 we're concerned about oil, there's a crisis in the Middle East, we're dealing with the Russians again, 1.00

00:32:49.640 I don't think I want to see the follow through of that kind of radical left wing terror in major

00:32:53.880 American cities. And I hope that someone clamps down on it quickly.

00:32:58.100 So back to the topic of consumer nationalism, one of the interesting things that happened recently

00:33:05.020 was, you know, there was this video where Sam Seder, who is, you know, this progressive pundit,

00:33:11.160 is supposed to go on that Jubilee channel, they're always in your YouTube clickbait, it's, you know,

00:33:17.940 a Christian and a Muslim, you know, argue, a gay guy, and, you know, and they're always yelling 0.99

00:33:22.580 at each other or whatever, they're sitting in a room and, you know, kind of this strange, you know,

00:33:28.160 airport style, you know, liminal space thing where they kind of stand awkwardly next to each other 0.99

00:33:34.900 and have very stupid debates. But in this video, like 20 MAGA supporters were talking to Sam Seder, 0.99

00:33:43.740 and he did not do a great job. I guess he does this professionally, probably not very well.

00:33:49.800 But one of the things that he ran into was there was a female on the panel who was debating him, 0.93

00:33:56.580 and she simply pointed out an obvious fact that America is European and Christian in its origins,

00:34:04.600 and these things define its culture, and she allowed to be the dominant culture. And she wasn't 0.96

00:34:10.060 saying anything radical. She just said, yeah, I mean, people have to assimilate to it, they can come

00:34:15.480 and assimilate to it. She wasn't saying anything exclusionary. She just said, but like, you do have

00:34:19.920 to assimilate that this is the culture. And Sam Seder very clearly looked at this and said, oh, well,

00:34:27.000 there is no American culture, there can't be an American culture. And if you think there is an

00:34:31.400 American culture, then you're a racist. You know, you're, you're problematic, all this stuff. 0.70

00:34:36.960 Now, a lot of people on the right reflexively know that Sam Seder's wrong, but many conservative

00:34:43.200 mainstream pundits and, you know, commentators and Twitter personalities

00:34:47.980 have kind of adopted Seder's position, that we're not allowed to acknowledge Americans' heritage,

00:34:55.120 that we're not allowed to expect other people to conform to America's culture,

00:34:59.800 that recognizing America's culture is tied to its past, the people who are involved,

00:35:05.240 is somehow deeply problematic. I mean, really, what they believe in is trans ideology for America,

00:35:11.140 right? Like, an American is whoever feels like an American. Did you put on an American t-shirt

00:35:16.000 that today? Are you Vivek Ramaswamy wearing your Texas shirt? Well, then you're, you know,

00:35:21.000 then you're an American, right? That, that has become the right wing version of American identity,

00:35:27.140 as much as it's become the left wing version of American identity. They're not as far gone as the

00:35:33.740 left on this issue. But what do you think the rights adjustment is going to be when we're talking

00:35:39.220 about this problem? Because I don't think the question of what an American is, is going away,

00:35:43.780 what a national identity is, is going away. And there are a lot of people on the right who are

00:35:48.240 heavily invested in a version of national identity that looks a lot like the left's consumer identity,

00:35:55.260 right? Drink enough black or rifle coffee, and you're an American. The end.

00:36:00.400 Yeah, and I think that there's going to be the, you know, wake up and smell the coffee moment,

00:36:06.020 because this, the ongoing aspect of America being propositional or being a creedal confession

00:36:13.320 or any of these loosely defined or sort of ambiguously defined terms for what is an American,

00:36:22.980 that has to be confronted. And it will be confronted because America will simultaneously,

00:36:28.660 you know, progressives and conservative, you know, mainstream conservatives alike will simply say,

00:36:32.320 well, this is what it means to be an American. And they'll offer sort of a melting pot style

00:36:38.320 attitude towards it, or they'll, you know, continue to rally behind the conservative reinvention of

00:36:45.820 Martin Luther King Jr., you know, about the whole, you know, content of character, and that we should

00:36:50.920 all be able to get along, ignoring every other awful detail about that man. So really, I think that

00:36:57.580 you can say all those things, but still the blanket realities of what we deal with in this country all

00:37:03.220 the time are in your face. You cannot escape it no matter where you live. Now, sure, there are some

00:37:08.480 nice, really rich, white, progressive, liberal enclaves that are the closest thing that we get to an

00:37:13.240 ethnostate in this country. But outside of that, I mean, you walk into any major metropolitan area,

00:37:18.460 and you think that you're walking through Heathrow, or that you're walking through LaGuardia, or that

00:37:22.180 you're running through Dallas-Fort Worth, or any other major international airport in the United

00:37:27.480 States. There's a million different languages, there's a million different people here,

00:37:30.420 no one wants to get along, everyone is ethnic and clannish and sticks to themselves. And it raises 1.00

00:37:34.640 the question for yourself, well, can you make that sustainable? Obviously not. For a nation that wants

00:37:39.980 to be either an empire, or, you know, have its power projected on the world stage, you can't tell me

00:37:45.320 that America is a propositional country when you continue to arrest people from China that are part of 0.92

00:37:50.560 the United States military for spying on China. You cannot tell me that this is good for America when

00:37:56.140 we're living in a country where anyone can allegedly come here, somehow be an American, 0.84

00:38:00.960 but then we send billions of dollars in remittances to every other part of the world.

00:38:05.700 You've allowed, I mean, it's the story of selling your birthright for just basically a bowl of lentils,

00:38:13.360 and here we are. America has functionally sold it away for the sake of either the GDP or the economy,

00:38:18.400 or thinking that we can all get along. Those nice feel-good propositional creeds about what it means to be an

00:38:24.300 American works really well when the American population, primarily of a majority European 0.87

00:38:30.180 Christian heritage and background, is like 85% of the country. It doesn't really work nowadays when

00:38:36.780 half the country is, according to at least the stats that we have, how accurate they are remains to be

00:38:42.240 quite seen, are a little over half as part of that population, and that you have progressive groups

00:38:48.220 from Black Lives Matter to various other, you know, small ethnic, you know, lobbying groups simply

00:38:54.380 saying, oh, well, we just have to wait out until the, like, white majority population is a minority.

00:39:00.420 You can't make a proposition work unless, A, you have the cultural capital and power to do so,

00:39:05.640 and B, you're willing to enforce it. And we haven't been willing to enforce anything about the modern

00:39:10.280 norms of this country because that's either deemed racist or, at the very least, the double standard of

00:39:14.680 rules for thee and not for me. And so for Sam Seder to say, oh, well, that's problematic, it's because

00:39:20.160 he can't say what he honestly wants. Sam Seder would love to see the destruction of, like, white middle 0.90

00:39:26.320 Christian America and to make sure it never has political power again and that it bends to the will 1.00

00:39:31.480 of everybody else. Because, you know, for him and for numerous other progressives, these ideas of a

00:39:36.660 European or a Christian or whatever sort of background that that lady was talking about, that's not just

00:39:42.320 problematic. That's an existential threat to their existence because the gravy train that they've been

00:39:46.680 enjoying, the so-called majority report, the so-called progressive wing of history that is

00:39:51.820 always on the right side no matter what, is always advocating for the destruction of a complete other

00:39:56.940 group. And that's why the left is so adamant about using terrorism because they know that it works and

00:40:02.320 then they have a, you know, a long period of history from, you know, the Bolsheviks to the 70s of

00:40:07.700 today with revolutionary groups in America in the 20th century, that it works. And it's not that

00:40:12.640 it's problematic, it's that they want to see it destroyed. And I think conservative pundits are

00:40:17.260 having to willingly accept the fact that the idea that I can be blind about these things and

00:40:22.440 acknowledge that certain things don't exist, whether that be our differences in culture,

00:40:26.740 differences in racial and ethnic characters and attitudes about the American idea, those things

00:40:32.260 you can't ignore forever. And as progressives know, those things are very real. They just wish to

00:40:37.580 double down and exterminate the so-called, you know, cause of that, which are the historical white 1.00

00:40:43.200 European norms that have ruled this country for a little over 200 years. Yeah. And you can really

00:40:49.280 feel that that conversation is going to happen one way or another. And so, you know, that's one of the

00:40:56.820 reasons that I've kind of been doing the prep work on this, where I've been discussing, you know,

00:41:02.120 Samuel Huntington's book, Who Are We?, where we've been having the discussions on, you know,

00:41:07.840 the ship of Theseus and the nation. Can you replace the constituent parts of the nation and still think

00:41:14.640 that it will continue even though you've completely changed the substance of it? These are all critical

00:41:21.100 discussions the right has to have, especially if it's going to contrast the left. You know,

00:41:26.140 the terrorism of the left only works as long as the right really turns a blind eye to it.

00:41:32.400 And, you know, this is how you get a guy like Nixon, right? Like this is the kind of response

00:41:37.140 you've had previously. And you hope that Trump just has that mandate right off the bat. He's

00:41:41.720 already got the electoral mandate. You hope that he feels that he has the authority to take the kind

00:41:48.280 of steps necessary to shut this down almost immediately. Now, interestingly, and this will dovetail a

00:41:54.380 little bit into the conversation we've had so far, but an extension of this, you know, can you deport

00:41:59.360 people who hate you? Can you, you know, if you're going to run a propositional nation, can you get

00:42:04.720 rid of people who don't like the proposition? Can you get rid of people who are pushing conflict

00:42:10.240 inside the United States? Well, it turns out sometimes you can. So a lot of people are talking

00:42:16.440 about the deportation of this Palestinian student and activist, uh, Muhammad or, uh, Muhammad, uh,

00:42:23.260 Khalil probably is how you say it. Uh, this guy is an anti-Israel protester. He's a pro, uh, pro

00:42:29.460 Palestinian, uh, activist. Uh, he is, he's been involved in campus protests. Apparently he did. It's

00:42:37.500 again, allegedly still information that has been undetermined, uh, but, you know, involved himself

00:42:43.040 in some criminal actions during these protests, including trespassing. And, uh, you know, the,

00:42:47.900 the Trump administration obviously made an example of him by saying this guy needs to be deported,

00:42:52.980 uh, because he's involved in anti-American activity. Uh, and, uh, you know, he's on a green card.

00:42:59.060 Now, I think there was some, this was approached poorly, uh, in several ways by kind of people,

00:43:06.040 uh, on right on the online, right Twitter, these kinds of things. A lot of them were saying, okay,

00:43:10.900 well, he's only being deported because he is protesting against Israel. And that's probably

00:43:17.140 true that that's just kind of obviously true. Uh, because if it wasn't true, we would be deporting

00:43:23.040 every guy's waving a Mexican flag or, you know, some foreign countries flag during one of these

00:43:29.100 deportation protests. And by the way, I think we should just do that, right? Like that, that's

00:43:34.020 absolutely what should happen. If you're here in the United States legally or illegally, if you're 0.75

00:43:38.640 not a citizen, if you're here under our good graces, uh, then if you don't like the country 0.56

00:43:43.840 and you're making it clear, you don't like the country, you should just get deported, all of you. 0.63

00:43:48.980 So this, you know, Mahmoud guy should definitely get deported, but so should all of the guys who are, 1.00

00:43:54.360 you know, uh, uh, out there, uh, protesting Tom Homan with a Mexican flag. If you're out in the

00:44:00.680 streets, if you're in any way, especially violating the law during a protest and you're

00:44:05.420 anti-American, you should absolutely be expelled. Uh, I don't like that. It was only deployed in the

00:44:11.520 service of this one issue. Uh, we should be deporting everyone who hates the United States

00:44:17.800 and is here under our, uh, our kind graces. Uh, but this is a start. So it, you know, I don't want

00:44:26.020 this guy in my country. I don't like why he was deported just on this one issue, but what we should

00:44:31.620 really be looking to do, I think is expand this. Anybody who is against the United States, uh, and

00:44:38.120 doesn't have to be here should go and that there should be no hesitation on that issue.

00:44:43.920 Yeah. Like if, again, if it's a propositional country and, uh, you know, America is just a set

00:44:50.200 of ideas. Well, can we get rid of the people that don't subscribe to those ideas? And if the answer

00:44:54.300 is no, I mean, this guy has at least two dozen lawyers signed up over him to making this, this

00:44:59.940 preeminent free speech issue. And I I'm with you again, or, and I wish that this whole conversation

00:45:06.000 about revoking his visa was not because of a conflict halfway around the world that does not

00:45:10.740 particularly concern the citizens of the United States of America. But instead here we are with

00:45:16.380 this, uh, ongoing debate. I think that, you know, when you see, uh, you know, service members that are

00:45:21.520 showing off the flag of another country, that it's not the United States, they should be deported 0.99

00:45:25.900 and, you know, stripped of all rank and privilege post haste. The same thing with any protester out

00:45:31.080 there. I mean, I hate to, you know, sound hyperbolic, but when you see all these protesters that are

00:45:35.260 waving any flag, but the American flag inside of this country, I'm sorry. Like you should just get in

00:45:40.280 the scooper. Like this is like, just, just, just get in the truck and we will send you back to where

00:45:46.440 you, you know, claim to love so much. And that should really be the force come hell or high

00:45:50.940 water, because I'm sorry, this is not going to work when if, you know, and even say like Trump

00:45:56.080 or anyone in this administration wants to take action against the cartels. Well, that raises a

00:46:01.240 fun, important question. Well, now can you trust the guy that was waving the Mexican flag at the 0.61

00:46:06.240 protest last weekend, who happens to be your neighbor? Obviously not. And that, you know, that's

00:46:11.040 even a huge more security concern for anyone that wants to join the military for, you know,

00:46:16.300 either expedited access to citizenship or anything like that. Are they going to leak intel, logistics,

00:46:21.140 data, information towards the cartels or anything like that? Obviously not. Immigration is a national 0.99

00:46:26.420 security issue. It always has been. We recognized this since the very beginning of the country with

00:46:32.400 our sort of little cold conflict with France in the 1790s and the early 1800s. We understand that

00:46:38.580 that has always been the case and it needs to be done. Like, I'm sorry, Mahmoud should not be here, 1.00

00:46:43.800 but neither should the countless like Chinese and Vietnamese and Indian foreign students in which

00:46:49.240 most colleges these days make their money because they know so often don't stay here. And when they

00:46:54.720 do stay here, they overstay their visa and they only contribute to an ethnic patronage system that is 0.75

00:47:00.360 allowed by everyone in this country except actual Americans. And that is unacceptable and they should 1.00

00:47:05.800 leave immediately. Yeah, I have this crazy pitch, right? American universities, but for Americans. 0.90

00:47:13.920 Who would have guessed? I know. Like, don't get me wrong. I still want us to seize the endowments and

00:47:20.080 salt the earth under the universities. But if they're going to continue to exist, let them only be

00:47:25.420 populated by American citizens. Let American citizens have the opportunities. Let the American

00:47:30.760 citizens have the education. Don't give it to anyone else. You want to be globally competitive?

00:47:36.780 Stop educating the rest of the globe. Tell them to go pound sand. Tell them to build the universities.

00:47:42.080 We'll be fine without them. I believe in the American people. I believe the American people are

00:47:46.920 the very best people. I think that they are the ones that will succeed when given the opportunity to

00:47:52.860 actually thrive inside their own country and not compete with people imported by other countries or by

00:47:59.940 their leaders who hate them. We simply don't need them here. And the idea, yeah, I have to hear

00:48:05.280 endlessly about what a threat China is. China's coming for us. China's going to take over the world. 0.97

00:48:10.580 China, China, China, China. Great. Why is there a single Chinese national in the United States?

00:48:16.940 A single one. If this is a geopolitical threat, if they are just an existential threat to the existence

00:48:22.920 of the United States, why are they studying in my university? Why are they receiving an education here? 0.65

00:48:28.140 They are a threat. You've said so. Get them out of here, right? Same thing goes for pretty much

00:48:34.020 every other country. I do not want foreign nationals in the United States taking up resources that could 1.00

00:48:41.740 be going to the people of the United States. And I certainly don't want them here if they're actively 0.97

00:48:46.540 protesting against or hating the country. If you're serious in any way, shape, or form about your

00:48:52.500 propositional nation. You can't let guys like this hang out. So yeah, I don't like the specific reason

00:48:58.620 this being the only reason anyone is getting deported for, you know, for protesting. I think

00:49:05.020 this should just be expanded. Get him and everyone like him who hates the country and is actively

00:49:10.980 protesting against it out of my country and do it immediately. I feel like that's pretty simple,

00:49:16.000 pretty common sense. It's the essence of American first. I just don't understand why this isn't the

00:49:21.640 automatic answer to this question. Full stop. Yeah. And I mean, it also goes back to the question

00:49:28.400 about the whole EB-5 raising the, you know, entrepreneurial sort of investor visa cap from

00:49:34.920 1 million to 5 million. Even then, like China's got, you know, some of the largest held EB-5 visa

00:49:41.460 issuance. You know, they've had the most over the last several years when it comes to this program

00:49:47.500 that's been around since the Immigration Act of 1990. I did some cursory research when we were

00:49:52.560 talking about that. You know, it's China, Vietnam, and India. And if we're making this pivot to Asia,

00:49:57.040 why do we want these guys in there? I mean, it raises some important security question concerns,

00:50:02.300 because if you were to have a program like that in China or anywhere else, those guys would be

00:50:06.580 monitored. And, you know, at the drop of a hat, if you were to do anything that were to help your home

00:50:11.040 country, you would be kicked out or worse, imprisoned. Or if you were really rich, they'd probably just

00:50:15.500 execute you like they do in China. So these things are really concerning. And we're not doing anything

00:50:20.100 about that whatsoever to actually curb that threat. It's not doing anything for the purposes of the

00:50:26.080 national identity. And instead, really, the only national identity that exists for progressives,

00:50:31.180 and really for a lot of people these days, is a kitschy, gauche consumerism that just mocks and makes fun of

00:50:38.740 the historical American nation and its people for the sake of making money in a quick buck, whether from a

00:50:43.780 Netflix subscription or a TV show. And that's what we've been reduced to. And that needs to be

00:50:48.100 reversed and order should be restored. Agreed, agreed. All right, guys, well, we have a number

00:50:53.120 of super chats stacking up. So we need to get to the questions of the people. But before we do,

00:50:58.160 Mr. Prudentialist, where can people find your excellent work? Sure. So you can find me on,

00:51:02.780 you know, on X as Mr. Prudentialist. You can just go anywhere where you find this lovely little

00:51:07.360 amphibian. I am on YouTube. I am on Substack at theprudentialist.substack.com. I cover

00:51:12.720 literature, political culture, as well as the goings on all over the world and primarily with

00:51:18.460 a focus right now just in sort of media and communication studies. And I'll be live later

00:51:22.900 this afternoon on my channel. If you're interested, we'll be covering some recent articles from I am

00:51:26.880 1776. And as always, Oren, thank you so much for having me on. Of course, always a pleasure. All right,

00:51:32.420 let's head to the questions here. Truddle says, since the discourse is apparently circled back around

00:51:38.120 again, it's time to repeat until morale improves. Christ is King. Yeah, I'm probably going to do an

00:51:44.820 episode on this on Monday, but for people who are unfamiliar, Jordan Peterson, for some weird reason,

00:51:50.940 affixed his name to some report, letting us all know that saying Christ is King is very bad because

00:51:56.980 somewhere on the internet, some mean people said it. And so you really should be very careful about

00:52:02.460 declaring, you know, the kingship of Christ because, you know, someone mean said it on the internet and

00:52:08.180 we're approaching Easter. So what would it be if we weren't attacking Christians heading into 0.99

00:52:14.080 Easter here? But obviously Christ is King. You can publish all the stupid reports you want.

00:52:21.300 That remains true. We will not be shutting up about it. If you're saying it maliciously to hurt 1.00

00:52:27.480 someone that's stupid, stop doing that. However, we will not stop saying it because it's true and 1.00

00:52:33.560 it's critical and no amount of mean people saying it somewhere means that you should stop declaring

00:52:38.640 something that is so deeply important and so incredibly true. Yeah, never hate someone so

00:52:43.480 much that you're willing to forsake your salvation for it. Yeah, that's exactly right. Tom says,

00:52:51.040 read your last video on Foxes and Lion. Is Starmer still a fox because he seems to be happy to lock

00:52:55.800 people up and use hard power. Yeah, that's a really interesting point. You know, I was speaking

00:53:00.420 mainly in the United States context. But of course, we have seen Canadian government and others deploy

00:53:08.520 force against their populace. And the UK is a particularly good example because the UK seems to

00:53:14.940 be more committed to this than almost any other nation. They have not turned away from it. Starmer has

00:53:20.960 continued to be straight up tyrannical. The fact that the United States and other nations have not

00:53:28.080 denounced this guy as a North Korean figure is much to our disgrace. Starmer is horrible. He is a tyrant 0.99

00:53:36.420 and he does seem more comfortable using force. I still think, you know, England is an interesting 0.55

00:53:43.700 scenario. They have seen the riots, obviously, there. They are willing to put them down. I would

00:53:51.800 still say that we are not full on in Lion territory with Starmer yet. But I would say that of the

00:53:59.180 Foxes who are trying to make that transition, he has been the one that has been most aggressive.

00:54:05.440 He's still bad at it, I think, which kind of leaves him still in the Fox category. But he is certainly

00:54:11.080 more comfortable deploying those tactics than most Foxes would be.

00:54:15.220 Yeah, the saddest words of Tonger Penn was Morgoth's review right again.

00:54:20.440 Well done. Well done.

00:54:22.920 All right, here we've got Dorito World Order, an excellent name. When will you have Sam Hyde on?

00:54:29.520 The minute Sam wants to come on. He's got an open invitation. So yeah, I mean, he follows me on

00:54:35.280 Twitter, you know, so any anyone wants to encourage him to hop on over, you know, I'll be more than happy

00:54:41.380 to host Sam. Let's see here. Graham McCain says, I am Canadian. Alberta always felt so much Canadian

00:54:50.820 identity was fake and cringe. Good example is the I am a Canadian commercial always hated it. I'm not

00:54:57.460 familiar with that particular commercial, but I am familiar with the fact that a lot of Canadian

00:55:02.920 identity, unfortunately, especially in the political realm is just about not being American. And that's not a

00:55:09.500 great place to be. Canada has a lot of amazing people in it. I know many Canadians that I think are great

00:55:16.580 people, capable of great things. And so it's sad to see so much of Canadian Canadian identity wrapped up in

00:55:24.300 that. But I mean, while they're actively trying to hollow it out and replace it with this post national

00:55:29.020 consumerism, what else would you really expect? Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:35.040 Ruler of the donuts says at some point, there will be real conflict. If the administration doesn't start

00:55:40.460 real defiance, they will lose. You can't appeal and negotiate forever. Again, I hope that that's not true. I

00:55:49.100 hope that people are peaceful. I would encourage peaceful action. That said, it is very clear that the left,

00:55:55.940 like I said, is willing to facilitate violence, call for violence, protect those that engage in

00:56:03.320 violence. And I think the Trump administration needs to take that very seriously. I'm glad to see

00:56:08.620 Cash Patel and others saying that they're going to start treating some of this as domestic terrorism.

00:56:13.580 They need to do more of that. They need to be very forceful. They need to go after the terrorists

00:56:17.760 themselves. They also need to go after the elected officials, NGOs, and other actors who would protect

00:56:23.380 them. This can simply not be allowed. We elected Donald Trump for law and order. He is a law and

00:56:29.820 order president. That is what people want to see out of Donald Trump. They want to see a restoration of

00:56:34.820 order. And so that the action needs to be swift and decisive. Agreed. Matt Gredier says, you've seen

00:56:43.520 the consumer nationalism in conservative states like Texas. Normans take pride in HEB, Texas barbecue,

00:56:50.980 tacos, et cetera. The Cowboys guns, freedom stuff gets mentioned less and less. Yeah. I mean,

00:56:56.780 I think that's certainly true. I want to be clear just to be careful for a moment. You know,

00:57:01.700 a certain amount of food, culinary preference, these things have always been part of national identity,

00:57:07.740 you know, saying, ah, we cook better food than you, that kind of thing. That's always, you know,

00:57:11.720 I got to give the UK ribbing every time, you know, your food is terrible. We're vastly superior to you

00:57:17.180 in this way. Uh, you know, there, there, that some level that is always going to exist. Uh, but when

00:57:22.800 the entire battle is fought, especially on the corporate branding front, right, it's not just

00:57:28.520 tacos, it's, uh, you know, the taco bell, it's not just Texas barbecue. It's, it's the specific type

00:57:35.760 of mission barbecue or whatever it's, it's, we are eliminating or rallying around brands themselves

00:57:42.900 to identify our nation. Uh, that is, is not good. Now I do think there should be a wider emphasis

00:57:49.780 on cultural importance, uh, beyond just food. I'm with you there. Uh, and it is noticeable that

00:57:55.780 food has become more and more of a thing rather than some of these other cultural artifacts that

00:58:00.680 are very critical to classic American identity. But I just want to say that, you know, food being a

00:58:06.460 part of your national identity is always been a thing. Uh, but you know, the, the, the corporatization of

00:58:12.560 this, the branding of it is the more worrying aspect to me. Agreed. Uh, the metal mystic says,

00:58:21.200 uh, this is the essential conversation. Thanks. Correction. Not 200 years. We've been here over

00:58:26.840 400 years via Spain over 500 stake, the deepest ties and claims. OGC is the new cornerstone carpy

00:58:35.600 BM. Uh, well, the old glory club is most certainly, uh, I think a great organization that is trying,

00:58:42.500 to give people a fraternal organization where they can rally around American identity. They can help

00:58:48.700 their community. They can build bonds with like-minded, uh, people. Uh, and so obviously,

00:58:54.000 uh, very glad that they are doing that kind of work. He follows up and says, we must import Asia to 1.00

00:58:59.700 defeat Asia, even more absurd than fight them over there. So we don't have to fight them over here. 1.00

00:59:04.860 Could be war BS. Gotta go. Uh, the call to prayer from the mosque is upsetting my dog. Uh, yeah,

00:59:11.860 obviously the attempt to say that we're going to favor one, uh, uh, if we import one half of Asia

00:59:18.400 instead of the other half of Asia, we'll somehow win the battle of American identity, uh, is,

00:59:23.360 is pretty comical, but that is absolutely what was pitched at one point a few months ago. And I hope

00:59:29.040 that continues to get a drubbing that it deserves on Twitter and other spaces that are influential.

00:59:34.300 It seems to have had an impact. The fact that they kind of lost that debate, uh, you can tell

00:59:39.140 because Vivek Ramaswamy is, uh, trying to, you know, peddle his wares in Ohio instead of run departments

00:59:44.480 in Washington, DC. Uh, and I, I hope that that continues to be a level of pushback they receive.

00:59:50.680 Yeah. Uh, I'm not a big fan of Mike Cernovich, but he was right when he said, well,

00:59:54.460 why didn't Canada become a tech superpower? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. It should be super easy or the

01:00:01.260 other favorite one, which I think is absolutely correct. If this is, if India is such an amazing

01:00:05.480 advantage, why isn't China importing as many Indians as they can? Yeah. They don't have to go far.

01:00:10.080 And yet China doesn't seem to be going through this tactic. Uh, atomic discord or sorry, Aramaic

01:00:19.420 discourse. That's a different one. Uh, I agree. Christ isn't King. I prefer to say Christ

01:00:23.980 is God. Again, of course, you know, a lot of different monikers, uh, son of man has many

01:00:29.540 titles, right? Right. That said, um, the, my concern, and again, I'll get into this on Monday.

01:00:35.820 I don't want to turn this whole episode into that because it'll be its own thing. My concern

01:00:40.080 as always with this is the attempt at having a chilling effect of, uh, on the discourse around

01:00:47.620 Christianity and religion, right? When the AL, when, when the anti-defamation league or the SPL

01:00:53.920 C was saying that the okay hand signed or drinking milk was white supremacy, we laughed 1.00

01:00:59.740 at them as we should, because it's stupid. Yes. Somewhere someone said that I'm sure, but 1.00

01:01:06.240 that doesn't mean that everyone drinking milk or everyone engaged in doing okay is, you

01:01:11.980 know, signaling some kind of white supremacy. However, this very same people who are laughing

01:01:18.440 at those organizations when they said that about milk or the okay hand sign are now saying it

01:01:23.180 about declaring the Kingship of Christ. And I'm sorry, but I am not going to stop drinking

01:01:28.320 milk or stop working out or stop doing a hand sign because it's supposed to be white supremacy

01:01:33.940 somewhere. And I'm certainly not going to stop declaring Christ as King along with Christ

01:01:39.260 being Lord and all the other monikers that usually come with his holy name. Uh, Johan Richardson

01:01:47.160 says the Cromwell epitaph Christ, uh, not man is King poison to those who want North,

01:01:52.620 no authority challenging their rule. So true. So true. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead

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