Consumer Nationalism ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 3⧸14⧸25
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In this episode of The Oren McIntyre Show, I chat with the Prudentialist, Will Frieden, about the rise of consumer nationalism and the role of products and consumption as a key component of our national identity.
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The battle, now, politically, is often charged with attacks on products,
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You have domestic terrorism occurring with Tesla.
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Tesla cars being attacked, graffiti on the plants,
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because ultimately Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency
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You have Canada getting rid of the Americano when it comes to your coffee
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and replacing it with their own version of Freedom Fries.
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Donald Trump is talking about selling our national identity.
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I guess it's better than just cheap cutting of the lawn,
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But all of this feels like there's a real consumer identity tied to our nationalism,
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that somehow products and corporations and consumption have become central to all of our culture wars.
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Joining me today is the Prudentialist, one of our favorite frogs.
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Of course, we're going to dive into the progressive outrage,
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the decision to try to push products and consumerism as core aspects of the national identity.
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But before we do, let me tell you about today's sponsor.
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He's definitely got a level of support that progressives and many of the left were not prepared for.
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Many leaders across the globe, as well as the left here domestically,
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And they've been lashing out, kind of looking sullen,
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ultimately having a difficult time finding a way to push back against Trump.
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I think they've really been searching for an identity.
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And what we're seeing now, kind of the weird thing that's starting to arise,
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Obviously, we see the overt vandalism of something like Tesla,
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that they're committing against Tesla cars, Tesla owners, the factories or the stores.
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And then we also see the weird obsession with changing American consumption.
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If you were consuming something from America, be it whiskey or coffee that's named after Americans,
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This seems to be the strange avenue that people have gone down.
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Now, as we referenced previously, we've seen the Freedom Fries phenomenon before from America
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And of course, you look back to something like World War II,
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and there were encouragements to buy American or to focus on consuming.
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Or I think more interestingly, I'm sure we'll get into that in a second,
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not consuming products in World War II in order to help the effort.
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But what do you think about this shift towards consumer nationalism?
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Is it only kind of intensifying in this moment?
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So this brand name nationalism or consumer nationalism,
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more so now than maybe the last 30, 50 years than really what we've seen in the past.
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I mean, there's a difference in World War II where there was a coherent national identity behind America
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or any other country that was participating in that conflict,
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that you could identify that that brand was owned by your countrymen,
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that that brand or business was part of the war effort,
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or was something that was going to be contributing to sort of the national cause, as it were.
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Because the whole country at that time, not just the United States,
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but virtually everywhere was participating in a total war economy.
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And even prior to that, you had brands that were associated with the national
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and cultural, religious, and ethnic identity of a particular place.
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Nowadays, not so much, primarily due to immigration.
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And so it's interesting in the wake of, you know,
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former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who just resigned, now Mark Carney's in charge,
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that you have a nation that had been declared by Justin Trudeau many years ago,
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almost a decade now, that America or that Canada is this post-national country.
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You know, we don't really have this explicit identity or creed anymore.
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And so when it comes to, you know, this, you know, joking claim or Trump just trolling or tooling
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somebody that Canada should be the 51st state, which I think is a terrible idea.
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You know, all of a sudden, we're now rallying around the maple leaf, we're rallying around the flag,
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But we're doing it in a very performative, very liberal way, which finds itself kind of
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in the stark contrast to the same questions that we're finding ourselves here arguing
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Like, well, what is an American or what is a Canadian?
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And so we're seeing all these, there's a viral video of someone, you know,
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erasing the word Americano on a coffee stand, you know, menu price and listing.
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And it says like the Canadiado or something like that, which, okay, fine.
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You want to virtue signal that it's okay to be against Trump, and that's okay to be against
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the United States, because a lot of progressives outside of the United States, and I mean, even
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progressives inside America, the default is to hate, you know, predominantly white, middle
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So the sort of rallying behind the brand name, well, obviously, it's the way to do it, because
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you can't really rally around blood and soil or even around the national flag or the red
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ensign or anything like that, because that's not appropriate for you to do as a progressive.
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Really, the only thing that you can do is to make yourself a really good consumer.
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And as much as the left or progressives want to rage against capitalism or rage against the
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fact that there's no ethical consumption under it, if someone who is considered to be a cult
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leader or a progressive higher up or their politicians say that it's good for you to consume
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this product, it's not American, we support our own Canadian manufacturers or coffee or
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whiskey or whatever, they'll do it, because they do have an ethical system.
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They do have a moral value coding that they have inside of them, just like you talked about
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earlier this week about progressives and conservatives having different moral visions.
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We see that really the brand name, the product, the box product nationalism is the only safe
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expression of patriotism or nationalism for progressives these days, because they have advocated and
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have been quite successful so far at obliterating any historical notion of a nation, people, identity,
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Yeah, there's so much there that I want to get to.
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But just to start off, you're exactly right to point to the fact that in World War II, yes,
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there were focuses on certain consumption habits.
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But one, like I mentioned, there was one of austerity, right?
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Don't go out and buy this, even if it's not a foreign product, but just because it's needed
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You know, gather rubber tires so you can donate them to the war effort that they need, you know,
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There was an understanding that it wasn't just go out and consume this thing because that's
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It's consume only these products because they will, you know, only help the war effort or
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don't consume at all, restrict yourself, something that you just don't see anymore.
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Also in World War II, obviously, there's a much larger call, which is for men to go to
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If you're really at war, if you're really at battle, then you have to summon that patriotic
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People have to truly rally around a real national identity, the type that you're talking about.
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And so that was a fundamentally different scenario.
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Then you jump to, you know, 9-11, the kind of the post-attack in New York and kind of the
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And George Bush's first call isn't, hey, all patriotic Americans need to enlist.
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I mean, given what we later know about that war, obviously, you can feel how you want about
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But at the time, his call wasn't just, OK, we have to go to war.
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We have to fight his answer was, no, go to the mall, keep shopping, keep consuming, right?
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Like this was the rallying cry for the United States.
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Obviously, we still have that moment on ground zero.
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And, you know, the world will hear you on the bullhorn.
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So there's still some vestiges of patriotism at that time.
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And now today, as you point out, all of these ideas about nationalism are forbidden.
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You have this post-national idea for many countries.
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But you still need these moments of patriotic nationalism when the machine wants it, right?
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So Ukraine, it turns out you can't have any nationalism until people need to go die in
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And then actually, we're very blood and soil nationalists, but just for Ukraine, right?
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Like that's a Ukraine is a very real country with very real borders.
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Obviously, other countries are also allowed to spontaneously have a certain level of nationalism,
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but it's not allowed to exist for most countries.
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So you have this moment where Canada is trying to rally against Trump.
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And even though it's gone out of its way to disassemble its national identity as much
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as possible, all of a sudden, it needs to have a national identity so it can have a
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Tim Hortons, you know, fries with weird gravy and cheese on them like that.
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That is what defines Canada is its consumption habits, because all of those other identities
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And so all of a sudden, we need nationalism, we have to summon it out of nowhere.
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But the only thing left to do it with, ironically, for the left, is the very corporations and
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the very capital process that they have decried for many, many decades.
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Yeah, there was someone who had tweeted literally a decade ago where they had said, you know,
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imagine in the future where some conservative pundit is showing off his electric car and the
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But it does illustrate that, you know, the age of even, say, like the Tea Party Republicanism
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or the Occupy Wall Street progressivism that had emerged after, you know, the great financial
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crisis of 2008, the recession that followed, that's a long, far bygone age at this point
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Because again, the very kind of multinational corporations, all these things that are not
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really owned by Canadians anymore, owned by Americans or owned by any other respective
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nation that wants to hold out for themselves and have an identity.
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Instead, those are the same people that are telling you and programming you that this is
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what is it meant to be a Canadian or this is what it's meant to be an American.
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I mean, the United States has its own problems.
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I mean, we have films that give these sort of biopic, biographical breakdowns of products,
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whether it's Ray Crox, the founder of that movie or the Air Jordans film that came out
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on Amazon, or I think now they have one about flaming hot Cheetos, like, we've now reduced
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the American identity, we've reduced, even with the progressive reactions in Canada, that,
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you know, to be a Canadian is to not be an American, it's to not have American products,
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it's to support the progressives, it's to support Trudeau, it's to be so thankful for everything
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that's been done, and to make sure that, you know, you rally around these Canadian things
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of just simply via negativa America, which is a terrible way to identify yourself, because
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that leads the question, and it begs it, is that, okay, outside of not being the United States,
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well, what are you? And, I mean, the media has done a great job at sort of both an American and
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Canadian cultural consciousness, that they're sort of just polite, relatively disarmed Americans
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that don't really have our crazy politics, because they're still a large part of the
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English system, whereas we aren't. But even then, that's a far cry for what Canadians actually
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are and what they were. And if George Grant were alive today to see what had happened to his
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country, he, I mean, he's still spinning in his grave as we speak, but he'd be horrified.
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And the same thing happens in America as well, is that we've reduced our identity to this very gauche,
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very kitschy, you know, cheeseburgers, beer, guns, etc., and pickup trucks, which is, you know,
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a far cry from the rich historical and national tradition that America has when identifying itself,
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as well as tying itself back to our European ancestry, both the English and the other Europeans
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that came here in waves of immigration overhand. In doing so, we've allowed our debates about
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national identity to be very watered down, whether it's, you know, creedal propositions,
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or, well, if you just ascribe to these sort of products, if you just check all the boxes on these
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subscription services, then all of a sudden you can be one of us. But as we know from our military
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and the constant, you know, issues of spying and espionage, this desire to retrench and to have some
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form of restraint in our national security policy, a nation is far more than that. And if you were to
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even go back to, say, the progressive era of 1848, in the midst of all these revolutions,
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and we were to read Ernst Renan's What is a Nation, most modern Democrats would read that,
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and they would consider that like a white nationalist screed for simply identifying what a nation is based
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on its people, its borders, its tradition, its religion, its language, things that we all consider
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to be part of a nation. But instead, really, what it's been reduced to is, well, can you complain
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about traffic? Can you, you know, are you also enjoying Amazon Prime product? Are you on Netflix
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or whatever? And that's become the reduction for the national identity in these sort of post-national
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states. And I think that there's still time to reverse that, or maybe there's still possibilities
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for it, and it should be reversed. But it does illustrate that right now, our whole debates about
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tariffs and trade wars has left us with just, you know, screaming over product and getting excited
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for next product. You know, I was listening to Dave, the distributist, our both of our good friends,
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and he was debating a leftist because Dave is an addict, and he just can't stop. And he was debating
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a leftist on Break the Rules. And they were discussing immigration. And the leftist said,
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oh, well, you know, illegal immigrants in Texas, they, you know, they go ahead and join the culture
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right away. You know, they, I don't know, assimilate. Yeah, that's what we're looking for.
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They assimilate right away. Well, and his justification was because they're buying F-150s,
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like they're because they're driving around in F-150s. And it's so stupid. It's so cheap. Like,
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first, you think that they can't buy F-150s in Mexico or Venezuela, but also, like, the purchasing
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of a beat-up used pickup truck is a cultural assimilation for these people. Like, that's
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genuinely how the left sees it. And I find this particularly hilarious because, of course,
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Karl Marx believed that capitalism would de-territorialize, it would break down all
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these nationalistic bonds and identity. And this is what he liked about capitalism. A lot of people,
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you know, don't know this, but Marx liked this aspect of capital. He liked that it broke down
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all these old allegiances, all these old unifying forces, because he didn't like those traditional
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hierarchies, those traditional structures. And so the breaking down of the nation was a positive thing.
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The idea that you would break down national identity, that capitalism would do that,
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was something that he hoped eventually accelerated then, like, these contradictions in capitalism that
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collapsed and brought about the communist revolution. But what has happened is that, indeed,
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many of these people have replaced the national identity, the true, you know, more metaphysical,
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communal understanding of identity into just these consumer products. And now that's the only thing
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they know how to communicate with. So, for instance, I've told this story before, but when I was
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teaching, we would play these, like, Jeopardy-style games, and you'd throw in a fun one every once in a
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while. So here's one on the Civil War, here's one on the Industrial Revolution, and we'll do a fun one.
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And the kids always wanted to do brand names. And that's because I taught in a majority-minority
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school. Most of the kids were first-generation immigrants. A lot of them didn't speak English
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or were very unfamiliar with American culture. But the one thing they all knew was how to shout
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Burger King or McDonald's or Taco Bell when it popped up on screen. So they loved the brands,
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because that was the one thing they were unified. That was the one language that unified the Tower of
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Babel was consumerism. And so now you have this moment where there's a bunch of people who have
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no connection to the American identity, no idea what it means to be American, can barely speak the
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language. But their one unifying understanding of American culture is the fast food they consume
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or the stuff that they're going to buy off Amazon. And that has become, in this, like, weird,
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twisted, you know, monkey's paw version, like the Karl Marx legacy, right? Is that, yeah,
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he got the destruction of national identity that he hoped for, but the contradictions of capitalism
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never come because communism is stupid and it doesn't work. And so he's just trapped forever
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in this completely deracinated, de-territorialized consumer economy with no national identity,
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but it never transcends this moment. It just becomes more crass, more corrupt. And now it's become the
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leftist way to identify nations. What are you eating? What are you buying? That's not the
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left-wing definition of culture. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, culture being reduced
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to something as minor as just the same awful food and poison that we put into ourselves
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is not going to last long because all that that means now is that, you know, you have a mass of
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people that are far more easily programmable. They have no historical ties to the country. As long as,
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you know, the XYZ spokesperson says, this is the correct or morally right thing to do,
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where there's this social emotional pressure in order to be considered progressive or to be seen
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as good. And I mean, that really is sort of the motivating animus for a lot of liberals these days
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anyway, is to be seen as a morally good person, despite not adhering to any traditional roots and
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morality, whether they be Christian or otherwise. And that's sort of where we're resorted to. And that also
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means the destruction and having some form of iconoclasm in place to do so. And I mean, we see this very
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bluntly with, you know, just widespread arson and the destruction and graffiti of Tesla, whether it
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be the cars themselves or at auto manufacturers and the dealerships where these are being sold.
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And again, this is because it's seen as the morally right thing to do. It doesn't matter that Elon Musk
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has described himself quite literally as a Democrat from 20 years ago, a 2005 Democrat, that doesn't
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matter. It means that, you know, you have this orange Fuhrer that has to be destroyed. You've
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aligned yourself with him. And that means everything is fair game. And that really does illustrate the
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difference, I think, in the in the midst of the reaction from this administration about all these
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things being destroyed. Yes, I know Trump did the whole sort of like show off with the Tesla at the
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red car at the White House and through his support by an Elon Musk. I know that I think it was the
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attorney general or at least someone up there and said that they're going to start investigating these
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attacks as domestic terrorism, which is good. But it really does illustrate sort of the major
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difference between the left and the right over these issues is that the left knows that it has
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carte blanche authority and it won't ever be, you know, prosecuted or attacked, just like we saw in
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the 70s with all these guys getting pardoned by Bill Clinton, that, you know, you can go out and kill
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and destroy things if you're a leftist. But if you're a rightist, that's you can't all you can really do is
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sort of just tweet about it. And we're dangerously getting close to another monitoring the situation
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again. Well, that possibility of escalating violence is a particularly concerning one.
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Of course, we've seen the left become more and more violent. A lot of people again, this is
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unfortunately a very convenient cycle we go through. We tend to treat leftist violence as if it's a
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surprise every time. But actually, it's a feature of life in the United States, one which we should not
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have to endure. This is why it's very important that the left is ultimately crushed, because they
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are a violent force. They are a force for disorder in the United States. The riots that have occurred
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in the 60s, the violence and bombing in the 70s, you know, things like the Rodney King riots, LA riots,
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these are not, you know, the BLM riots were not some singular thing that this this aberration that
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occurred out of nowhere. These are this is a feature of leftist politics, leftists burn your city and try
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to kill you. That is how they do politics. It is a club in the bag. It is a tool that they deploy when
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they think it is appropriate. And so when we see this new escalation of violence, obviously, again,
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we saw what happened in Ferguson, we saw what happened with the BLM, we see these steps along
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the road. And then, of course, it leads to the shooting of Donald Trump, the murder of a Trump
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supporter at the rally. We see that this is just a continued escalation. And now the left has turned to
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civilian targets in a way, right? We see them celebrating the assassination of a health care
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executive by Luigi Mangione. We see now this these attacks on Tesla. It seems that we might get a
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weather underground style movement from the left. They lost at the ballot box. They lost in their
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sacred democratic process. They can't win the election. They can't win the argument. All the censorship in
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the world, all the soft power in the world is not giving them the results that they're looking for.
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And so now when they can't kill Trump directly, the new plan seems to be attacking corporations,
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attacking corporate heads, attacking people who are using certain products, and the hope that that
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kind of terrorism will win them some kind of political victory. Are you worried that they'll
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continue to expand these efforts to other forms of consumption, other products, other corporations,
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When I found out my friend got a great deal on a designer dress from Winners,
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I started wondering, is every fabulous item I see from Winners? Like that woman over there with
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the Italian leather handbag. Is that from Winners? Ooh, or that beautiful silk skirt. Did she pay full price?
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Or those suede sneakers? Or that luggage? Or that trench? Those jeans? That jacket? Those heels?
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Stop wondering. Start winning. Winners find fabulous for less.
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Well, I think that there's a possibility, or at the very least, it's encouraged by the left on these
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matters. I mean, sure, there are some, you know, very kind of, we consider them lol cows who might get in
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trouble for posting about Luigi or whatever, but I mean, like, they're still going to make their money.
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There's still a radical group of people, patronage and otherwise, that are all in on this. And I think
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that it is a possibility that there's either going to be some kind of escalation, or there's going to
00:25:44.340
be, at the very least, more attempts. I mean, even before Trump got into office, the Dobbs decision was
00:25:50.340
leaked. Someone tried to kill Justice Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court. And, you know, this is,
00:25:56.220
and of course, Trump was shot at at least twice. And so, I mean, anything is possible. And I think
00:26:01.000
that if we continue to see, you know, it's not like 2017. It's not like the first Trump administration,
00:26:06.820
where there was sort of this effective neutering. There's now been, almost now collectively,
00:26:11.660
it'll be 10 years in June since he's come down the escalator, of the left radically sort of just
00:26:17.800
one-shotting their audience, basically, simply saying, this man is an existential threat to your way
00:26:23.120
of life. We will go back to 1950. The bio-Leninist machine has to continue. And if this does not
00:26:29.040
happen, then we are okay with you taking matters into your own hands. That's a radically crazy notion,
00:26:34.120
but it's also one that the left has advocated before in the past. So I wouldn't necessarily
00:26:38.760
be surprised if either different CEOs or different groups or different conservative leaders are going
00:26:45.240
to see it. Lately, there has been a trend on a very popular sort of mainstream conservative
00:26:51.220
commentators, maybe not necessarily people I follow, but guys that are sort of big and sort
00:26:55.340
of like the Trump, you know, MAGA sphere in general, that have been, you know, claiming it's been one
00:26:59.920
after another for the last two weeks about being SWATed. You know, someone's giving out their address
00:27:04.680
saying that there's a violent altercation and SWAT needs to be their firearms ready to kill.
00:27:08.760
That's attempted murder for all intents and purposes. And so if the commentariat is being targeted,
00:27:14.700
if industrial centers or, you know, dealerships are being targeted that are associated with Elon Musk,
00:27:19.760
you know, I think that it's really important that either Pam Bondi or someone in the, you know,
00:27:26.180
Trump camp that has some power understands what time it is, because you are basically dealing with
00:27:31.720
literal violent insurrectionists inside US soil. And you're going to have governors, you're going to
00:27:37.120
have mayors, and you're going to have police chiefs and the rest in these progressive cities that have
00:27:42.340
no problem defending them, because they've been defending them, they've been letting them off,
00:27:46.500
and they've been letting leftists and other radical crazies who shouldn't even be in this
00:27:50.480
country to begin with in the first place, you know, get away with murder, very literally.
00:27:55.540
Yeah, that's really important. And I did see Kash Patel say that the FBI is going to be treating
00:28:02.440
SWAT calls as a terrorist threat, that they're going to be looking into it, they're going to be
00:28:09.060
expanding that, that's good. I'd like to see more of that, honestly. And, you know, I say this,
00:28:16.500
without any, you know, excitement about it, but it's just true. And I think it has to be said at
00:28:23.480
this point, it's very clear that the left has become a terrorist movement inside the United
00:28:28.380
States, at least large swaths of the left are very comfortable with terrorism, they promote
00:28:34.360
terrorism, they promote assassinations, they celebrate assassinations, they want to hurt and kill
00:28:41.080
people on the right. And they have a network of, as you point out, you know, Soros-funded DAs,
00:28:48.820
NGOs that bail these people out, they have a network designed to alleviate the legal penalty as much as
00:28:56.480
possible for the terrorism that they engage in. And for too long, the right has been very careful with
00:29:03.680
its words about what's going on here, has been treating it as some kind of, again, weird one-off thing,
00:29:10.360
or a strange development that will go away. But what's becoming more and more clear is that,
00:29:15.520
you know, I just wrote a piece about how the Foxes tried to become lions, right? The left
00:29:21.020
had this vast censorship apparatus, they had this vast indoctrination apparatus, they were controlling
00:29:28.700
things through soft power, the way of the Fox, deceit, you know, manipulation, these things,
00:29:34.000
and it failed. And so they tried to move to hard power, they tried to arrest their political
00:29:39.340
enemies, they tried to throw them in jail, they tried to debank them, they tried to assassinate
00:29:45.160
them. And that also failed. And now that they have failed at soft power, and failed at formal hard
00:29:53.220
power, the desperation on the left is extremely high. And it seems like this extended, almost guerrilla
00:30:00.660
warfare terrorism is a very real goal for the left. Like they are encouraging it, they are cheering
00:30:08.560
it on, they are preparing to defang the legal consequences for it. And there really is just
00:30:15.340
no excuse. As you point out there, there has to be a full court press, I think, by the Trump
00:30:20.200
administration to crack down on this and make sure that these penalties are swift, powerful,
00:30:25.620
and effective, that they are, these people are not shielded by the left wing by their government,
00:30:32.060
governmental structures in different states or different DAs, different areas where they have
00:30:37.580
kind of built up this ability to protect terrorism. I think that that needs to be rooted out. I think
00:30:44.000
that that these people need to pay a very high price, because if they don't, this is only going to
00:30:48.740
escalate. Swatting, this kind of stuff is a direct form of domestic terrorism. And the people
00:30:55.200
involved need to be treated like domestic terrorists. And if you don't do that and do it
00:30:59.140
immediately, they're going to see that success. And they're going to continue to escalate it because
00:31:03.080
it's the only thing they have left. They can't win politically. They can't do it. They can't win
00:31:07.540
in even the realm of the marketplace of ideas as much as we've talked about that. They can't win the
00:31:13.920
debate. They can't win the arguments. They can't win the propaganda war. They can't win any of it.
00:31:18.920
The only thing left in them is violence. They know it and they are planning on it, it seems like.
00:31:23.180
Yeah, I mean, it really does seem to be the case. And unless this administration is willing to clamp
00:31:27.840
down on it, they will feel just like they did in the first Trump administration, just like they did
00:31:32.260
in 2020, where it is all bets are off. And we know what leftist violence looks like, whether it's
00:31:37.760
from the Red Scare in the 1920s, all of the terrorist and radical revolutionary groups in the 60s
00:31:43.040
and 70s. Again, I would recommend people read the great book Days of Rage. Those things are very likely
00:31:48.600
to happen again and have happened again. And I mean, unless Trump is willing to say Bortac or
00:31:53.380
somebody like they did in the 2020 riots against Antifa and other cities that are just hotbeds of
00:31:59.180
progressive radicalism, you're absolutely right. This militant leftism will continue. And the only
00:32:04.520
way that these things get crushed is with a swift and militant response to counter it and to close it.
00:32:11.480
But I think it's very concerning right now that things are slow to act. But I also recognize that
00:32:16.680
you know, there's still a lot of foxes in the hen house, so to speak, when it comes to this
00:32:21.400
administration. I know that it's been, you know, battling with the courts, and that they feel sort
00:32:25.660
of emboldened by this, that if the judiciary can just toss Article Two of the Constitution out,
00:32:31.620
then they're going to go ahead and do what they want. And it's really important that somebody,
00:32:35.600
whether it be Trump or someone else in that administration, recognize what time it is, because
00:32:40.300
the rest of us are all kind of waiting for that repeat of the 1960s and 70s, where, you know,
00:32:45.280
we're concerned about oil, there's a crisis in the Middle East, we're dealing with the Russians again,
00:32:49.640
I don't think I want to see the follow through of that kind of radical left wing terror in major
00:32:53.880
American cities. And I hope that someone clamps down on it quickly.
00:32:58.100
So back to the topic of consumer nationalism, one of the interesting things that happened recently
00:33:05.020
was, you know, there was this video where Sam Seder, who is, you know, this progressive pundit,
00:33:11.160
is supposed to go on that Jubilee channel, they're always in your YouTube clickbait, it's, you know,
00:33:17.940
a Christian and a Muslim, you know, argue, a gay guy, and, you know, and they're always yelling
00:33:22.580
at each other or whatever, they're sitting in a room and, you know, kind of this strange, you know,
00:33:28.160
airport style, you know, liminal space thing where they kind of stand awkwardly next to each other
00:33:34.900
and have very stupid debates. But in this video, like 20 MAGA supporters were talking to Sam Seder,
00:33:43.740
and he did not do a great job. I guess he does this professionally, probably not very well.
00:33:49.800
But one of the things that he ran into was there was a female on the panel who was debating him,
00:33:56.580
and she simply pointed out an obvious fact that America is European and Christian in its origins,
00:34:04.600
and these things define its culture, and she allowed to be the dominant culture. And she wasn't
00:34:10.060
saying anything radical. She just said, yeah, I mean, people have to assimilate to it, they can come
00:34:15.480
and assimilate to it. She wasn't saying anything exclusionary. She just said, but like, you do have
00:34:19.920
to assimilate that this is the culture. And Sam Seder very clearly looked at this and said, oh, well,
00:34:27.000
there is no American culture, there can't be an American culture. And if you think there is an
00:34:31.400
American culture, then you're a racist. You know, you're, you're problematic, all this stuff.
00:34:36.960
Now, a lot of people on the right reflexively know that Sam Seder's wrong, but many conservative
00:34:43.200
mainstream pundits and, you know, commentators and Twitter personalities
00:34:47.980
have kind of adopted Seder's position, that we're not allowed to acknowledge Americans' heritage,
00:34:55.120
that we're not allowed to expect other people to conform to America's culture,
00:34:59.800
that recognizing America's culture is tied to its past, the people who are involved,
00:35:05.240
is somehow deeply problematic. I mean, really, what they believe in is trans ideology for America,
00:35:11.140
right? Like, an American is whoever feels like an American. Did you put on an American t-shirt
00:35:16.000
that today? Are you Vivek Ramaswamy wearing your Texas shirt? Well, then you're, you know,
00:35:21.000
then you're an American, right? That, that has become the right wing version of American identity,
00:35:27.140
as much as it's become the left wing version of American identity. They're not as far gone as the
00:35:33.740
left on this issue. But what do you think the rights adjustment is going to be when we're talking
00:35:39.220
about this problem? Because I don't think the question of what an American is, is going away,
00:35:43.780
what a national identity is, is going away. And there are a lot of people on the right who are
00:35:48.240
heavily invested in a version of national identity that looks a lot like the left's consumer identity,
00:35:55.260
right? Drink enough black or rifle coffee, and you're an American. The end.
00:36:00.400
Yeah, and I think that there's going to be the, you know, wake up and smell the coffee moment,
00:36:06.020
because this, the ongoing aspect of America being propositional or being a creedal confession
00:36:13.320
or any of these loosely defined or sort of ambiguously defined terms for what is an American,
00:36:22.980
that has to be confronted. And it will be confronted because America will simultaneously,
00:36:28.660
you know, progressives and conservative, you know, mainstream conservatives alike will simply say,
00:36:32.320
well, this is what it means to be an American. And they'll offer sort of a melting pot style
00:36:38.320
attitude towards it, or they'll, you know, continue to rally behind the conservative reinvention of
00:36:45.820
Martin Luther King Jr., you know, about the whole, you know, content of character, and that we should
00:36:50.920
all be able to get along, ignoring every other awful detail about that man. So really, I think that
00:36:57.580
you can say all those things, but still the blanket realities of what we deal with in this country all
00:37:03.220
the time are in your face. You cannot escape it no matter where you live. Now, sure, there are some
00:37:08.480
nice, really rich, white, progressive, liberal enclaves that are the closest thing that we get to an
00:37:13.240
ethnostate in this country. But outside of that, I mean, you walk into any major metropolitan area,
00:37:18.460
and you think that you're walking through Heathrow, or that you're walking through LaGuardia, or that
00:37:22.180
you're running through Dallas-Fort Worth, or any other major international airport in the United
00:37:27.480
States. There's a million different languages, there's a million different people here,
00:37:30.420
no one wants to get along, everyone is ethnic and clannish and sticks to themselves. And it raises
00:37:34.640
the question for yourself, well, can you make that sustainable? Obviously not. For a nation that wants
00:37:39.980
to be either an empire, or, you know, have its power projected on the world stage, you can't tell me
00:37:45.320
that America is a propositional country when you continue to arrest people from China that are part of
00:37:50.560
the United States military for spying on China. You cannot tell me that this is good for America when
00:37:56.140
we're living in a country where anyone can allegedly come here, somehow be an American,
00:38:00.960
but then we send billions of dollars in remittances to every other part of the world.
00:38:05.700
You've allowed, I mean, it's the story of selling your birthright for just basically a bowl of lentils,
00:38:13.360
and here we are. America has functionally sold it away for the sake of either the GDP or the economy,
00:38:18.400
or thinking that we can all get along. Those nice feel-good propositional creeds about what it means to be an
00:38:24.300
American works really well when the American population, primarily of a majority European
00:38:30.180
Christian heritage and background, is like 85% of the country. It doesn't really work nowadays when
00:38:36.780
half the country is, according to at least the stats that we have, how accurate they are remains to be
00:38:42.240
quite seen, are a little over half as part of that population, and that you have progressive groups
00:38:48.220
from Black Lives Matter to various other, you know, small ethnic, you know, lobbying groups simply
00:38:54.380
saying, oh, well, we just have to wait out until the, like, white majority population is a minority.
00:39:00.420
You can't make a proposition work unless, A, you have the cultural capital and power to do so,
00:39:05.640
and B, you're willing to enforce it. And we haven't been willing to enforce anything about the modern
00:39:10.280
norms of this country because that's either deemed racist or, at the very least, the double standard of
00:39:14.680
rules for thee and not for me. And so for Sam Seder to say, oh, well, that's problematic, it's because
00:39:20.160
he can't say what he honestly wants. Sam Seder would love to see the destruction of, like, white middle
00:39:26.320
Christian America and to make sure it never has political power again and that it bends to the will
00:39:31.480
of everybody else. Because, you know, for him and for numerous other progressives, these ideas of a
00:39:36.660
European or a Christian or whatever sort of background that that lady was talking about, that's not just
00:39:42.320
problematic. That's an existential threat to their existence because the gravy train that they've been
00:39:46.680
enjoying, the so-called majority report, the so-called progressive wing of history that is
00:39:51.820
always on the right side no matter what, is always advocating for the destruction of a complete other
00:39:56.940
group. And that's why the left is so adamant about using terrorism because they know that it works and
00:40:02.320
then they have a, you know, a long period of history from, you know, the Bolsheviks to the 70s of
00:40:07.700
today with revolutionary groups in America in the 20th century, that it works. And it's not that
00:40:12.640
it's problematic, it's that they want to see it destroyed. And I think conservative pundits are
00:40:17.260
having to willingly accept the fact that the idea that I can be blind about these things and
00:40:22.440
acknowledge that certain things don't exist, whether that be our differences in culture,
00:40:26.740
differences in racial and ethnic characters and attitudes about the American idea, those things
00:40:32.260
you can't ignore forever. And as progressives know, those things are very real. They just wish to
00:40:37.580
double down and exterminate the so-called, you know, cause of that, which are the historical white
00:40:43.200
European norms that have ruled this country for a little over 200 years. Yeah. And you can really
00:40:49.280
feel that that conversation is going to happen one way or another. And so, you know, that's one of the
00:40:56.820
reasons that I've kind of been doing the prep work on this, where I've been discussing, you know,
00:41:02.120
Samuel Huntington's book, Who Are We?, where we've been having the discussions on, you know,
00:41:07.840
the ship of Theseus and the nation. Can you replace the constituent parts of the nation and still think
00:41:14.640
that it will continue even though you've completely changed the substance of it? These are all critical
00:41:21.100
discussions the right has to have, especially if it's going to contrast the left. You know,
00:41:26.140
the terrorism of the left only works as long as the right really turns a blind eye to it.
00:41:32.400
And, you know, this is how you get a guy like Nixon, right? Like this is the kind of response
00:41:37.140
you've had previously. And you hope that Trump just has that mandate right off the bat. He's
00:41:41.720
already got the electoral mandate. You hope that he feels that he has the authority to take the kind
00:41:48.280
of steps necessary to shut this down almost immediately. Now, interestingly, and this will dovetail a
00:41:54.380
little bit into the conversation we've had so far, but an extension of this, you know, can you deport
00:41:59.360
people who hate you? Can you, you know, if you're going to run a propositional nation, can you get
00:42:04.720
rid of people who don't like the proposition? Can you get rid of people who are pushing conflict
00:42:10.240
inside the United States? Well, it turns out sometimes you can. So a lot of people are talking
00:42:16.440
about the deportation of this Palestinian student and activist, uh, Muhammad or, uh, Muhammad, uh,
00:42:23.260
Khalil probably is how you say it. Uh, this guy is an anti-Israel protester. He's a pro, uh, pro
00:42:29.460
Palestinian, uh, activist. Uh, he is, he's been involved in campus protests. Apparently he did. It's
00:42:37.500
again, allegedly still information that has been undetermined, uh, but, you know, involved himself
00:42:43.040
in some criminal actions during these protests, including trespassing. And, uh, you know, the,
00:42:47.900
the Trump administration obviously made an example of him by saying this guy needs to be deported,
00:42:52.980
uh, because he's involved in anti-American activity. Uh, and, uh, you know, he's on a green card.
00:42:59.060
Now, I think there was some, this was approached poorly, uh, in several ways by kind of people,
00:43:06.040
uh, on right on the online, right Twitter, these kinds of things. A lot of them were saying, okay,
00:43:10.900
well, he's only being deported because he is protesting against Israel. And that's probably
00:43:17.140
true that that's just kind of obviously true. Uh, because if it wasn't true, we would be deporting
00:43:23.040
every guy's waving a Mexican flag or, you know, some foreign countries flag during one of these
00:43:29.100
deportation protests. And by the way, I think we should just do that, right? Like that, that's
00:43:34.020
absolutely what should happen. If you're here in the United States legally or illegally, if you're
00:43:38.640
not a citizen, if you're here under our good graces, uh, then if you don't like the country
00:43:43.840
and you're making it clear, you don't like the country, you should just get deported, all of you.
00:43:48.980
So this, you know, Mahmoud guy should definitely get deported, but so should all of the guys who are,
00:43:54.360
you know, uh, uh, out there, uh, protesting Tom Homan with a Mexican flag. If you're out in the
00:44:00.680
streets, if you're in any way, especially violating the law during a protest and you're
00:44:05.420
anti-American, you should absolutely be expelled. Uh, I don't like that. It was only deployed in the
00:44:11.520
service of this one issue. Uh, we should be deporting everyone who hates the United States
00:44:17.800
and is here under our, uh, our kind graces. Uh, but this is a start. So it, you know, I don't want
00:44:26.020
this guy in my country. I don't like why he was deported just on this one issue, but what we should
00:44:31.620
really be looking to do, I think is expand this. Anybody who is against the United States, uh, and
00:44:38.120
doesn't have to be here should go and that there should be no hesitation on that issue.
00:44:43.920
Yeah. Like if, again, if it's a propositional country and, uh, you know, America is just a set
00:44:50.200
of ideas. Well, can we get rid of the people that don't subscribe to those ideas? And if the answer
00:44:54.300
is no, I mean, this guy has at least two dozen lawyers signed up over him to making this, this
00:44:59.940
preeminent free speech issue. And I I'm with you again, or, and I wish that this whole conversation
00:45:06.000
about revoking his visa was not because of a conflict halfway around the world that does not
00:45:10.740
particularly concern the citizens of the United States of America. But instead here we are with
00:45:16.380
this, uh, ongoing debate. I think that, you know, when you see, uh, you know, service members that are
00:45:21.520
showing off the flag of another country, that it's not the United States, they should be deported
00:45:25.900
and, you know, stripped of all rank and privilege post haste. The same thing with any protester out
00:45:31.080
there. I mean, I hate to, you know, sound hyperbolic, but when you see all these protesters that are
00:45:35.260
waving any flag, but the American flag inside of this country, I'm sorry. Like you should just get in
00:45:40.280
the scooper. Like this is like, just, just, just get in the truck and we will send you back to where
00:45:46.440
you, you know, claim to love so much. And that should really be the force come hell or high
00:45:50.940
water, because I'm sorry, this is not going to work when if, you know, and even say like Trump
00:45:56.080
or anyone in this administration wants to take action against the cartels. Well, that raises a
00:46:01.240
fun, important question. Well, now can you trust the guy that was waving the Mexican flag at the
00:46:06.240
protest last weekend, who happens to be your neighbor? Obviously not. And that, you know, that's
00:46:11.040
even a huge more security concern for anyone that wants to join the military for, you know,
00:46:16.300
either expedited access to citizenship or anything like that. Are they going to leak intel, logistics,
00:46:21.140
data, information towards the cartels or anything like that? Obviously not. Immigration is a national
00:46:26.420
security issue. It always has been. We recognized this since the very beginning of the country with
00:46:32.400
our sort of little cold conflict with France in the 1790s and the early 1800s. We understand that
00:46:38.580
that has always been the case and it needs to be done. Like, I'm sorry, Mahmoud should not be here,
00:46:43.800
but neither should the countless like Chinese and Vietnamese and Indian foreign students in which
00:46:49.240
most colleges these days make their money because they know so often don't stay here. And when they
00:46:54.720
do stay here, they overstay their visa and they only contribute to an ethnic patronage system that is
00:47:00.360
allowed by everyone in this country except actual Americans. And that is unacceptable and they should
00:47:05.800
leave immediately. Yeah, I have this crazy pitch, right? American universities, but for Americans.
00:47:13.920
Who would have guessed? I know. Like, don't get me wrong. I still want us to seize the endowments and
00:47:20.080
salt the earth under the universities. But if they're going to continue to exist, let them only be
00:47:25.420
populated by American citizens. Let American citizens have the opportunities. Let the American
00:47:30.760
citizens have the education. Don't give it to anyone else. You want to be globally competitive?
00:47:36.780
Stop educating the rest of the globe. Tell them to go pound sand. Tell them to build the universities.
00:47:42.080
We'll be fine without them. I believe in the American people. I believe the American people are
00:47:46.920
the very best people. I think that they are the ones that will succeed when given the opportunity to
00:47:52.860
actually thrive inside their own country and not compete with people imported by other countries or by
00:47:59.940
their leaders who hate them. We simply don't need them here. And the idea, yeah, I have to hear
00:48:05.280
endlessly about what a threat China is. China's coming for us. China's going to take over the world.
00:48:10.580
China, China, China, China. Great. Why is there a single Chinese national in the United States?
00:48:16.940
A single one. If this is a geopolitical threat, if they are just an existential threat to the existence
00:48:22.920
of the United States, why are they studying in my university? Why are they receiving an education here?
00:48:28.140
They are a threat. You've said so. Get them out of here, right? Same thing goes for pretty much
00:48:34.020
every other country. I do not want foreign nationals in the United States taking up resources that could
00:48:41.740
be going to the people of the United States. And I certainly don't want them here if they're actively
00:48:46.540
protesting against or hating the country. If you're serious in any way, shape, or form about your
00:48:52.500
propositional nation. You can't let guys like this hang out. So yeah, I don't like the specific reason
00:48:58.620
this being the only reason anyone is getting deported for, you know, for protesting. I think
00:49:05.020
this should just be expanded. Get him and everyone like him who hates the country and is actively
00:49:10.980
protesting against it out of my country and do it immediately. I feel like that's pretty simple,
00:49:16.000
pretty common sense. It's the essence of American first. I just don't understand why this isn't the
00:49:21.640
automatic answer to this question. Full stop. Yeah. And I mean, it also goes back to the question
00:49:28.400
about the whole EB-5 raising the, you know, entrepreneurial sort of investor visa cap from
00:49:34.920
1 million to 5 million. Even then, like China's got, you know, some of the largest held EB-5 visa
00:49:41.460
issuance. You know, they've had the most over the last several years when it comes to this program
00:49:47.500
that's been around since the Immigration Act of 1990. I did some cursory research when we were
00:49:52.560
talking about that. You know, it's China, Vietnam, and India. And if we're making this pivot to Asia,
00:49:57.040
why do we want these guys in there? I mean, it raises some important security question concerns,
00:50:02.300
because if you were to have a program like that in China or anywhere else, those guys would be
00:50:06.580
monitored. And, you know, at the drop of a hat, if you were to do anything that were to help your home
00:50:11.040
country, you would be kicked out or worse, imprisoned. Or if you were really rich, they'd probably just
00:50:15.500
execute you like they do in China. So these things are really concerning. And we're not doing anything
00:50:20.100
about that whatsoever to actually curb that threat. It's not doing anything for the purposes of the
00:50:26.080
national identity. And instead, really, the only national identity that exists for progressives,
00:50:31.180
and really for a lot of people these days, is a kitschy, gauche consumerism that just mocks and makes fun of
00:50:38.740
the historical American nation and its people for the sake of making money in a quick buck, whether from a
00:50:43.780
Netflix subscription or a TV show. And that's what we've been reduced to. And that needs to be
00:50:48.100
reversed and order should be restored. Agreed, agreed. All right, guys, well, we have a number
00:50:53.120
of super chats stacking up. So we need to get to the questions of the people. But before we do,
00:50:58.160
Mr. Prudentialist, where can people find your excellent work? Sure. So you can find me on,
00:51:02.780
you know, on X as Mr. Prudentialist. You can just go anywhere where you find this lovely little
00:51:07.360
amphibian. I am on YouTube. I am on Substack at theprudentialist.substack.com. I cover
00:51:12.720
literature, political culture, as well as the goings on all over the world and primarily with
00:51:18.460
a focus right now just in sort of media and communication studies. And I'll be live later
00:51:22.900
this afternoon on my channel. If you're interested, we'll be covering some recent articles from I am
00:51:26.880
1776. And as always, Oren, thank you so much for having me on. Of course, always a pleasure. All right,
00:51:32.420
let's head to the questions here. Truddle says, since the discourse is apparently circled back around
00:51:38.120
again, it's time to repeat until morale improves. Christ is King. Yeah, I'm probably going to do an
00:51:44.820
episode on this on Monday, but for people who are unfamiliar, Jordan Peterson, for some weird reason,
00:51:50.940
affixed his name to some report, letting us all know that saying Christ is King is very bad because
00:51:56.980
somewhere on the internet, some mean people said it. And so you really should be very careful about
00:52:02.460
declaring, you know, the kingship of Christ because, you know, someone mean said it on the internet and
00:52:08.180
we're approaching Easter. So what would it be if we weren't attacking Christians heading into
00:52:14.080
Easter here? But obviously Christ is King. You can publish all the stupid reports you want.
00:52:21.300
That remains true. We will not be shutting up about it. If you're saying it maliciously to hurt
00:52:27.480
someone that's stupid, stop doing that. However, we will not stop saying it because it's true and
00:52:33.560
it's critical and no amount of mean people saying it somewhere means that you should stop declaring
00:52:38.640
something that is so deeply important and so incredibly true. Yeah, never hate someone so
00:52:43.480
much that you're willing to forsake your salvation for it. Yeah, that's exactly right. Tom says,
00:52:51.040
read your last video on Foxes and Lion. Is Starmer still a fox because he seems to be happy to lock
00:52:55.800
people up and use hard power. Yeah, that's a really interesting point. You know, I was speaking
00:53:00.420
mainly in the United States context. But of course, we have seen Canadian government and others deploy
00:53:08.520
force against their populace. And the UK is a particularly good example because the UK seems to
00:53:14.940
be more committed to this than almost any other nation. They have not turned away from it. Starmer has
00:53:20.960
continued to be straight up tyrannical. The fact that the United States and other nations have not
00:53:28.080
denounced this guy as a North Korean figure is much to our disgrace. Starmer is horrible. He is a tyrant
00:53:36.420
and he does seem more comfortable using force. I still think, you know, England is an interesting
00:53:43.700
scenario. They have seen the riots, obviously, there. They are willing to put them down. I would
00:53:51.800
still say that we are not full on in Lion territory with Starmer yet. But I would say that of the
00:53:59.180
Foxes who are trying to make that transition, he has been the one that has been most aggressive.
00:54:05.440
He's still bad at it, I think, which kind of leaves him still in the Fox category. But he is certainly
00:54:11.080
more comfortable deploying those tactics than most Foxes would be.
00:54:15.220
Yeah, the saddest words of Tonger Penn was Morgoth's review right again.
00:54:22.920
All right, here we've got Dorito World Order, an excellent name. When will you have Sam Hyde on?
00:54:29.520
The minute Sam wants to come on. He's got an open invitation. So yeah, I mean, he follows me on
00:54:35.280
Twitter, you know, so any anyone wants to encourage him to hop on over, you know, I'll be more than happy
00:54:41.380
to host Sam. Let's see here. Graham McCain says, I am Canadian. Alberta always felt so much Canadian
00:54:50.820
identity was fake and cringe. Good example is the I am a Canadian commercial always hated it. I'm not
00:54:57.460
familiar with that particular commercial, but I am familiar with the fact that a lot of Canadian
00:55:02.920
identity, unfortunately, especially in the political realm is just about not being American. And that's not a
00:55:09.500
great place to be. Canada has a lot of amazing people in it. I know many Canadians that I think are great
00:55:16.580
people, capable of great things. And so it's sad to see so much of Canadian Canadian identity wrapped up in
00:55:24.300
that. But I mean, while they're actively trying to hollow it out and replace it with this post national
00:55:29.020
consumerism, what else would you really expect? Yeah, absolutely.
00:55:35.040
Ruler of the donuts says at some point, there will be real conflict. If the administration doesn't start
00:55:40.460
real defiance, they will lose. You can't appeal and negotiate forever. Again, I hope that that's not true. I
00:55:49.100
hope that people are peaceful. I would encourage peaceful action. That said, it is very clear that the left,
00:55:55.940
like I said, is willing to facilitate violence, call for violence, protect those that engage in
00:56:03.320
violence. And I think the Trump administration needs to take that very seriously. I'm glad to see
00:56:08.620
Cash Patel and others saying that they're going to start treating some of this as domestic terrorism.
00:56:13.580
They need to do more of that. They need to be very forceful. They need to go after the terrorists
00:56:17.760
themselves. They also need to go after the elected officials, NGOs, and other actors who would protect
00:56:23.380
them. This can simply not be allowed. We elected Donald Trump for law and order. He is a law and
00:56:29.820
order president. That is what people want to see out of Donald Trump. They want to see a restoration of
00:56:34.820
order. And so that the action needs to be swift and decisive. Agreed. Matt Gredier says, you've seen
00:56:43.520
the consumer nationalism in conservative states like Texas. Normans take pride in HEB, Texas barbecue,
00:56:50.980
tacos, et cetera. The Cowboys guns, freedom stuff gets mentioned less and less. Yeah. I mean,
00:56:56.780
I think that's certainly true. I want to be clear just to be careful for a moment. You know,
00:57:01.700
a certain amount of food, culinary preference, these things have always been part of national identity,
00:57:07.740
you know, saying, ah, we cook better food than you, that kind of thing. That's always, you know,
00:57:11.720
I got to give the UK ribbing every time, you know, your food is terrible. We're vastly superior to you
00:57:17.180
in this way. Uh, you know, there, there, that some level that is always going to exist. Uh, but when
00:57:22.800
the entire battle is fought, especially on the corporate branding front, right, it's not just
00:57:28.520
tacos, it's, uh, you know, the taco bell, it's not just Texas barbecue. It's, it's the specific type
00:57:35.760
of mission barbecue or whatever it's, it's, we are eliminating or rallying around brands themselves
00:57:42.900
to identify our nation. Uh, that is, is not good. Now I do think there should be a wider emphasis
00:57:49.780
on cultural importance, uh, beyond just food. I'm with you there. Uh, and it is noticeable that
00:57:55.780
food has become more and more of a thing rather than some of these other cultural artifacts that
00:58:00.680
are very critical to classic American identity. But I just want to say that, you know, food being a
00:58:06.460
part of your national identity is always been a thing. Uh, but you know, the, the, the corporatization of
00:58:12.560
this, the branding of it is the more worrying aspect to me. Agreed. Uh, the metal mystic says,
00:58:21.200
uh, this is the essential conversation. Thanks. Correction. Not 200 years. We've been here over
00:58:26.840
400 years via Spain over 500 stake, the deepest ties and claims. OGC is the new cornerstone carpy
00:58:35.600
BM. Uh, well, the old glory club is most certainly, uh, I think a great organization that is trying,
00:58:42.500
to give people a fraternal organization where they can rally around American identity. They can help
00:58:48.700
their community. They can build bonds with like-minded, uh, people. Uh, and so obviously,
00:58:54.000
uh, very glad that they are doing that kind of work. He follows up and says, we must import Asia to
00:58:59.700
defeat Asia, even more absurd than fight them over there. So we don't have to fight them over here.
00:59:04.860
Could be war BS. Gotta go. Uh, the call to prayer from the mosque is upsetting my dog. Uh, yeah,
00:59:11.860
obviously the attempt to say that we're going to favor one, uh, uh, if we import one half of Asia
00:59:18.400
instead of the other half of Asia, we'll somehow win the battle of American identity, uh, is,
00:59:23.360
is pretty comical, but that is absolutely what was pitched at one point a few months ago. And I hope
00:59:29.040
that continues to get a drubbing that it deserves on Twitter and other spaces that are influential.
00:59:34.300
It seems to have had an impact. The fact that they kind of lost that debate, uh, you can tell
00:59:39.140
because Vivek Ramaswamy is, uh, trying to, you know, peddle his wares in Ohio instead of run departments
00:59:44.480
in Washington, DC. Uh, and I, I hope that that continues to be a level of pushback they receive.
00:59:50.680
Yeah. Uh, I'm not a big fan of Mike Cernovich, but he was right when he said, well,
00:59:54.460
why didn't Canada become a tech superpower? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. It should be super easy or the
01:00:01.260
other favorite one, which I think is absolutely correct. If this is, if India is such an amazing
01:00:05.480
advantage, why isn't China importing as many Indians as they can? Yeah. They don't have to go far.
01:00:10.080
And yet China doesn't seem to be going through this tactic. Uh, atomic discord or sorry, Aramaic
01:00:19.420
discourse. That's a different one. Uh, I agree. Christ isn't King. I prefer to say Christ
01:00:23.980
is God. Again, of course, you know, a lot of different monikers, uh, son of man has many
01:00:29.540
titles, right? Right. That said, um, the, my concern, and again, I'll get into this on Monday.
01:00:35.820
I don't want to turn this whole episode into that because it'll be its own thing. My concern
01:00:40.080
as always with this is the attempt at having a chilling effect of, uh, on the discourse around
01:00:47.620
Christianity and religion, right? When the AL, when, when the anti-defamation league or the SPL
01:00:53.920
C was saying that the okay hand signed or drinking milk was white supremacy, we laughed
01:00:59.740
at them as we should, because it's stupid. Yes. Somewhere someone said that I'm sure, but
01:01:06.240
that doesn't mean that everyone drinking milk or everyone engaged in doing okay is, you
01:01:11.980
know, signaling some kind of white supremacy. However, this very same people who are laughing
01:01:18.440
at those organizations when they said that about milk or the okay hand sign are now saying it
01:01:23.180
about declaring the Kingship of Christ. And I'm sorry, but I am not going to stop drinking
01:01:28.320
milk or stop working out or stop doing a hand sign because it's supposed to be white supremacy
01:01:33.940
somewhere. And I'm certainly not going to stop declaring Christ as King along with Christ
01:01:39.260
being Lord and all the other monikers that usually come with his holy name. Uh, Johan Richardson
01:01:47.160
says the Cromwell epitaph Christ, uh, not man is King poison to those who want North,
01:01:52.620
no authority challenging their rule. So true. So true. All right, guys, we're going to go ahead
01:02:00.240
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