The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 09, 2026


Dave Chappelle Wants You Dead ｜ Guest： Peter Brimelow ｜ 11⧸9⧸26

The Post-Midterm Cope Is Insane ｜ 11⧸6⧸26

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00:00:55.280 All right, guys.
00:00:56.340 Well, in the aftermath of the big midterm loss, there's a lot going on.
00:01:01.340 Donald Trump seems to have floated some version of amnesty, though other parts of the government
00:01:07.080 are denying it and then simultaneously saying they might be interested in exactly that kind
00:01:12.840 of deal.
00:01:13.620 And we also saw Dave Chappelle get up on stage and talk about how relieved he was that Charlie
00:01:19.800 Kirk had been murdered. I think that both of these things are very dangerous precedents that
00:01:25.340 were being set in the wake of a very serious political earthquake in the United States. And
00:01:31.280 so joining me to talk about that is author, journalist, and founder of Vidare, Peter Brimelow.
00:01:36.640 Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
00:01:41.020 Absolutely. Well, I want to begin with this video from Dave Chappelle. Now, a lot of conservatives
00:01:47.400 think that they like dave chapelle don't get me wrong some of his stuff has been funny i certainly
00:01:53.140 enjoyed some of the skits from the chapelle show but ultimately dave chapelle has always had an
00:02:00.240 anti-white bias even when he was running around talking about things like transgenderism and how
00:02:06.540 dangerous it was conservatives were clapping defending him saying that he was a champion for
00:02:11.440 common sense and he ultimately wrapped up that whole controversy by saying he's not really worried
00:02:16.640 about transgender people he's worried about white people so when i see all of a sudden people act as
00:02:22.700 if they're shocked that dave chappelle might say something like this uh i'm a little surprised but 0.97
00:02:27.420 let's hear what the comedian allegedly uh had to say no fucked up say this it's scary being a public 0.95
00:02:35.200 speaker. And I mean, look, ever since that guy, Charlie Kirk, got murdered, and I shouldn't 0.96
00:02:46.700 say this publicly, but I feel better. I know I shouldn't say that, but it's just a feeling.
00:02:59.120 i feel fucked up so i want to focus on this here because look he tells a dark joke here 0.80
00:03:08.020 that i don't think is a joke at all i don't think there's any joke in what was just said but let's 0.97
00:03:13.200 let's for a moment just approach this with okay it's an audience at a comedy show yeah okay they
00:03:21.320 might laugh uneasily at what this i guess alleged joke would be but the real concern is that when
00:03:28.940 he mentions charlie kirk's assassination and you know he's it's that guy charlie kirk doesn't call
00:03:35.000 it assassination just you know since he died was killed whatever uh when he mentions it members of
00:03:41.600 the crowd whoop and holler in celebration so we're not just seeing people uh you know hear an awkward
00:03:49.560 joke at a comedy and a comedy show and then uh kind of i don't know what to do we have people
00:03:57.300 actively celebrating the death of charlie kirk seeing someone like dave chappelle as a person
00:04:03.500 who is validating that who is celebrating that along with them i think this is an incredibly
00:04:08.940 dangerous moment for the united states uh i don't think enough was done after the death of charlie
00:04:14.860 kirk i don't think that the threat of leftist violence was taken seriously i think for about
00:04:20.300 a year we've had the celebrities at least pretend like they were gonna keep their hands off okay it's
00:04:27.120 a i didn't like the guy but it was a tragedy that kind of thing uh but but the rank and file of the
00:04:31.860 democrats have continued to do things like hold kirkiversary and dress up as dead charlie kirk
00:04:37.820 costumes for halloween these kind of things and i think we're now seeing the celebrities come back
00:04:43.000 around and feel that they have the carte blanche to just celebrate this openly with no real
00:04:50.540 repercussions. Well, Oren, I assume, is that the question? The answer is yes. You're right.
00:05:01.140 John Derbyshire's famous essay, The Talk, said that there was a proportion of Blacks who
00:05:07.220 absolutely pathologically hate white and yeah i think he estimated about five to fifteen percent
00:05:11.860 uh but the real issue here is the audience which i presume was majority white uh i we i just 0.71
00:05:18.020 published a piece on my uh on peterbrimbo.com which is my sub stack on the death of salon the
00:05:23.940 salon the web scene just closed after 30 years uh and we reviewed uh uh salon had attacked uh
00:05:31.460 vdare.com my website for 60 or 70 times over the course of its 30 years uh and so we reviewed those
00:05:38.900 and generally took the mickey out of them and so on but the reason that came across from looking
00:05:43.380 at salad and i used to get their push email every day was the sheer unbridled hatred of of of uh
00:05:50.020 whites and christians that that they would do it unblushingly unflinchingly published i think that
00:05:56.180 the polling data seems to show that somewhere about the middle of the obama years uh the left
00:06:02.340 just became completely unhinged and and uh that's when you found for example majority of democrats
00:06:09.060 suddenly started to say that they were in favor of repressing their opponents which they'd never
00:06:13.060 done before because there was a general general consensus in favor of free speech in america
00:06:17.380 but the democrats abandoned that somewhere around about 2008 and we could see that in salam it was
00:06:23.220 It was just an extraordinary hatred radiating out.
00:06:27.820 And I don't see the equivalent of that on the ride, perhaps unfortunately.
00:06:32.540 It is one of those moments that I think freezes people in place.
00:06:37.500 Charlie Kirk's death obviously was incredibly tragic,
00:06:40.560 and his loss was felt deeply.
00:06:43.260 But I think the thing that really threw conservatives for a loop
00:06:46.800 was not just the death of a guy that kind of seemed like the average guy next door,
00:06:51.840 the kind of guy who holds your opinions you know charlie kirk was not a radical in any way you know
00:06:57.740 at least to most people on the right he seemed like a fairly mainstream person who held their
00:07:02.600 opinions on things like immigration or transgenderism uh and when you see the left not just uh
00:07:08.960 you know kill this man but then celebrate it openly and again the celebrities were out
00:07:13.920 originally when charlie kirk was killed but it was the rake and file it was it was the average 0.79
00:07:17.880 person the neighbor uh that that really was celebrating that death and i think the average
00:07:23.460 person looked at their neighbor and said oh if they would if they would celebrate the death of
00:07:28.020 charlie kirk they would probably celebrate my death and you realize then you're in a very dangerous
00:07:33.400 position right that's that's absolutely correct um well you know the thing about kirk was you know
00:07:39.960 he started we used to make fun of him at vdar.com originally because he was he was a conservative
00:07:45.080 inc uh a mainstream figure uh on issues like immigration very remarkably he changed his mind
00:07:51.480 on that and he became he became it's one of the very few cases i've ever seen somebody uh change
00:07:58.200 their mind in public and migrate towards the more dangerous position i think michelle malkin was
00:08:02.520 probably the case uh but but he was no he was not extreme i mean you know i could definitely show
00:08:09.640 The more extreme, more extreme figures, I used to publish them, he was not extreme at
00:08:15.480 all, and yet he attracts this extraordinary hatred.
00:08:19.740 And when you have that kind of vitriol for the mainstream opinion, then obviously anyone
00:08:24.940 to Charlie Kirk's right is basically going to be fair game.
00:08:28.680 And I fear that this is the moment we've arrived at because the Trump administration,
00:08:34.200 uh it eventually you know like a year later declared antifa a terrorist organization uh but
00:08:42.020 not much has come of that we know that they shut down a server that was sharing coordinating
00:08:46.980 leftist information which is great you know that's more than probably many people have done
00:08:50.700 but but desperately insufficient yeah we we needed a response that was going to show people
00:08:56.880 that this was not acceptable behavior in public that this was not a winning strategy in politics
00:09:02.680 And instead, having just watched the midterms and the collapse of the Republican Party after the death of Charlie Kirk, and honestly, I don't want to just say posthumously that this man was responsible for everything, that he was holding the entire world on his shoulders.
00:09:19.240 I think that that can get cartoonish. But I do think that there is a fair case to say that the death of Charlie Kirk was truly the beginning of the decline of the Trump administration.
00:09:30.120 It really shook a lot of the operation to the core.
00:09:33.660 I think in many ways, TPUSA and Charlie Kirk were kind of the only thing that were keeping those different factions of Tucker Carlson and, you know, the mainstream conservatives and everyone else bound together.
00:09:45.580 And so the fact that he was killed and then there was this major like generational loss in the midterms, the lesson that seems to teach the left is that assassination works.
00:09:56.600 And because there was no consequence, that not only does it work, it's a viable strategy because it will cost you nothing.
00:10:04.120 I mean, what would have been needed was something like what the Democrats did to the J6, like a full court press on taking out anybody who can be remotely said to be in any way connected with whoever the hell it was who killed him. 0.97
00:10:18.100 You know, he was a tranny, wasn't he? 0.99
00:10:22.060 One of the things that are really annoying about this is how long it's taking them to bring this case to court. 1.00
00:10:26.600 If this case was in court, a lot of it would have been publicly recognized while it was happening,
00:10:33.460 and we probably found out about all kinds of connections this guy had.
00:10:37.340 But as far as I know, they're not even planning to try him this year, are they?
00:10:41.820 Yeah, I believe Tyler Robinson, they had the initial kind of vetting to see if the trial could go forward,
00:10:50.320 and that's been approved.
00:10:51.060 But, yeah, I still don't know when the actual full trial would take place.
00:10:54.780 well i mean it looks it looks like it'll be two years after after after kirk was assassinated
00:10:59.960 and she's simply extraordinary so in a moment like this where we see uh someone like dave
00:11:07.860 chappelle get on a stage and basically say yes i'm glad that this person was murdered that makes
00:11:13.660 me feel better uh i wonder you know one of the reasons i wanted to have you on but this all
00:11:19.860 happened after i'd already invited you but i i think the the the question remains the same even
00:11:24.700 though we have some news items that change the the the angle we're going to approach it at
00:11:29.520 but you're a man who has been around the right wing for a very long time and you and many other
00:11:37.360 i say that in the in the most positive way possible and you and others uh you know you
00:11:42.680 guys like joe sobrin guys like uh sam francis guys like derbyshire and uh all of these other
00:11:49.820 people, you have the distinction of having been right. And so many of you were right for so long
00:11:56.760 and you were right for so long, but ultimately people did not listen. And so we have this moment
00:12:03.320 where I think all the voices were telling the Trump administration, we need justice. We are
00:12:08.980 crying out for justice, for serious reaction, and we are not receiving it. And when you're in this
00:12:15.800 moment where you've been calling out for the right move, you know, warning about things like,
00:12:20.860 hey, you know, this war is not going to go well. The election is going to, the midterms are going
00:12:24.400 to be bad. We're going to have all these downsides. And you don't, you know, you have all these
00:12:28.720 correct predictions, but then no action is taken. I think this is a very, very demoralizing thing
00:12:36.000 for people. And it's something that you've had to experience many times over. So for conservatives
00:12:41.280 who are looking at a moment like this and saying, we all knew that something had to happen and
00:12:45.880 simply the government that we elected to do so would not respond. What do you say to people who
00:12:51.540 are now finding themselves currently disillusioned with the political process? Because, I mean,
00:12:56.520 you have seen victories. You have ultimately seen things move in your direction, but it took so many
00:13:02.060 decades for that hard work to accumulate. What wisdom would you share with people who are now
00:13:06.360 finding themselves in a position perhaps like the one that you have been in well or you know
00:13:11.640 because i am so impossibly old i actually remember not only do remember 19 1974 uh disaster uh after
00:13:20.860 after which after the watergate uh thing which in retrospect was clearly a hoax it was a deep state
00:13:26.780 coup well i actually remember 1964 i was in england still but i remember 1964 election here
00:13:33.220 And, you know, the fact is that the party bounced back very quickly after all of those disasters.
00:13:41.860 I mean, it's extraordinary to think that, you know, four years after the Goldwater-Dirk route,
00:13:48.480 which everybody said to finish the party permanently, that Richard Nixon was elected.
00:13:53.340 And six years after the Watergate route, which also people thought was going to finish the party,
00:13:59.100 uh reagan was elected in 1980 and he did wasn't just elected uh um uh without a bit of fight
00:14:07.820 within the republican party so it was actually a revolution within the republic of our party
00:14:11.660 uh as well as just not no bounce back so i guess that's my attitude to these elections uh uh it's
00:14:18.700 very bad it shouldn't have happened it could have been prevented but two years is a long time as we
00:14:23.580 just saw so so i i i wouldn't give up on the presidency now in terms of the immigration issue
00:14:28.300 that's moved enormously since i started writing about it i guess the first thing i did was a
00:14:32.460 cover story national review incredibly uh in 1992 and and uh at that stage you know the average
00:14:40.380 republican had no idea of the immigration issue at all uh but now they do uh and they've and
00:14:46.060 they're very well informed on it and the wall street journal editorial page is not able to
00:14:49.900 keep the debate corralled in the way that it was able to uh in in in in the 90s so that is progress
00:14:57.100 on the other hand i mean it's just heartbreaking that uh you know republican simply didn't run on
00:15:01.420 the issue well i i i look at the ads that were coming out of texas and you know some of the
00:15:07.420 world chaos but didn't say you know buy and open the borders and we closed it they weren't running
00:15:12.300 shots of what the board of crisis was like in uh uh in in the in the biden years uh uh and that and
00:15:19.500 that's you know terrible and last time i think we talked it was just after this uh supreme court
00:15:24.700 decision which upheld the principle
00:15:26.880 or actually invented the principle of birthright
00:15:28.740 citizenship. And I
00:15:30.560 said, I presumed then that
00:15:32.740 the Republicans would move either
00:15:34.800 by statute or by a constitutional
00:15:36.540 amendment and
00:15:38.360 run on the issue. Because
00:15:40.640 when people realize what's happening
00:15:42.680 with birthright citizenship,
00:15:44.900 you know, the birth tourism and so
00:15:46.740 on, they do get very annoyed. But they have to be
00:15:48.640 told. People weren't even aware of this
00:15:50.560 when we first started writing about it on
00:15:52.680 p.d.com. And the Republicans didn't
00:15:54.520 tell them apparently Susie Wiles just did not like the immigration issue at all so she wouldn't
00:15:59.920 she wouldn't let them run on him which is truly incredible because of course that's exactly what
00:16:06.060 won Trump the 2024 election and what secured him any position in the movement in the first place
00:16:11.780 so it really tells you how deeply ensconced these pro-immigration activists are that even after
00:16:18.900 seeing directly the opposite to the point where Trump even gained with Hispanic men during his
00:16:23.940 rhetoric for deportations and strong borders that they would say no this is a losing issue and of
00:16:29.120 course we saw from the exit polls that actually immigration was the only issue that anyone turned
00:16:32.860 out for trump in the first place but but i do what what i find really uh disturbing about this
00:16:38.900 election or and it's not the fact that the demographic shift has gone to the point where
00:16:42.700 so many of these states are very difficult to win in which is what we predicted you know
00:16:46.920 in the National Review in the 90s.
00:16:50.580 But the white share,
00:16:53.680 the Republican share of the white vote is so low.
00:16:57.040 I mean, according to the NBC exit polls,
00:16:58.880 they may not even have won it.
00:17:00.440 And that's catastrophic for the Republicans.
00:17:03.740 And you never see any discussion of the white vote
00:17:07.100 in the mainstream media.
00:17:08.140 It's always about the Hispanic vote or the black vote
00:17:10.040 or the women vote, female vote and all that kind of thing.
00:17:13.400 But I'm not aware of any direct discussion
00:17:15.740 of what you have to do to win the white vote um such as for example don't run non-white candidates
00:17:21.580 because it's very all americans vote for people who look like them but the republicans continue
00:17:26.300 to run these people in you know uh like like um that woman in uh in virginia whatever name was
00:17:32.780 who was also not not just a woman of black but an immigrant winsome sears they continue to do
00:17:38.300 this kind of thing they they have to make a direct explicit appeal to the white vote and to white 0.93
00:17:43.500 interests and they just don't want to do that they're too cowardly well i think it it really
00:17:48.240 is the fact that the republican party um is just progressive on this issue they're just progressive
00:17:53.400 leftists when it comes to the issue of voting and race uh they they find the white vote something
00:18:00.660 that is low class and uh in some way icky to talk about it's a they might need it they might
00:18:07.440 ultimately have to win some percentage of it but they they feel as if they are better than
00:18:12.360 needing to pursue a white working class vote, a Rust Belt vote, a Middle America vote.
00:18:18.480 And so therefore, they go out and they court the votes of groups that do not vote for them.
00:18:25.040 They have gone out of their way to ingratiate themselves with an Indian community that votes
00:18:29.840 70% Democrat. They actually bent over backwards in several different areas, including foreign
00:18:35.120 policy to benefit the Jewish vote in the United States, and then lost that vote quite handily, 0.99
00:18:41.540 as they always do. And so, you know, as my colleague Steve Dace has said, you know, there's 1.00
00:18:46.240 always this, there's always this myth that the brothers be flipping that you're going to have
00:18:50.420 all the black votes on the on the Republican side tomorrow, because they suddenly realize how bad
00:18:54.700 the Democrat, you know, party is. But the truth is that ultimately, it is white votes and very 0.97
00:19:01.380 interestingly, actually, mostly white evangelical Christian votes that secure for Republicans,
00:19:06.900 We saw Catholics go a 20-point swing about to the left in this election. 0.56
00:19:13.300 And so there really is a very, very core demographic of voters that the GOP absolutely relies on but simply refuses to touch because they see those people as somehow low class and their votes as somehow a disgrace to the Republican Party that they have to go out and earn them every once in a while.
00:19:28.620 I know you want to talk about what the president said last night in 60 Minutes, but one of
00:19:35.300 the aspects of it, I mean, most people are talking about his not unusual muttering about
00:19:43.620 amnesty, which he's been periodically saying for as long as he's been in politics.
00:19:48.160 But what struck me is, it's very remarkable statements about that he thought a lot of
00:19:52.420 the problem in this election was Israel, he said that incredibly a lot of people don't
00:19:57.540 like israel now i assume that's because his poll didn't their internal polls are telling them that
00:20:02.580 but i think that actually is an issue right now i mean i think uh anti-zionism on the left and the
00:20:08.780 right uh has been so is dramatically stronger than i've ever seen it in in in the u.s and and you
00:20:15.440 know i've been here since 1970 is that longer than you how long have you been here uh well i was born
00:20:20.940 here, but later than 1970.
00:20:23.480 I was going to say, you were born
00:20:25.020 here late to 1970.
00:20:27.180 But you've got the
00:20:28.940 accent, though, I don't. Anyway, I was going
00:20:30.940 to say, I think that's an unspoken...
00:20:32.900 I think in many respects, this was an anti-Zionist election.
00:20:35.920 And
00:20:35.980 the Republicans have
00:20:38.960 no way of catering to that. The Democrats
00:20:40.700 do. They can get the Jewish 1.00
00:20:42.940 vote and get the anti-Zionist 0.87
00:20:44.900 Muslim vote. 0.99
00:20:46.540 Incredibly, yes. Incredibly. 0.95
00:20:49.480 The Trump administration can 1.00
00:20:50.900 warned about the dangers of the muslim invasion and then the jewish vote comes out in favor of 0.95
00:20:56.480 uh you know mom donnie and el saeed they have higher favorability ratings than donald trump
00:21:01.100 in the jewish community so right right uh but if that's so i think that's going to shape a
00:21:08.020 reshape american politics quite dramatically and the only person on the right who's to you could
00:21:12.840 who's a problem that is eyes will be tucker carlson of course other than that the republicans
00:21:18.700 have no spokesman, no way of tapping into this issue at all. So before we move to the president's
00:21:24.800 comments, because I certainly want to break those down further, I wanted to ask you in relation to
00:21:29.720 the Dave Chappelle statement about the way that people, conservatives allow the left to talk about
00:21:39.640 them and very specifically drilling further down the way that white people allow the left to talk
00:21:45.600 about them um you know one of the reasons and again you can feel however you want about this
00:21:50.220 but one of the reasons that the jewish lobby is so aggressive against any form of anti-zionism
00:21:56.120 or any form of anti-semitism is well in their you know experience if you let people talk about you
00:22:01.820 a certain way eventually they will take action on those words uh you know and that that that is the
00:22:06.980 concern that they harbor uh when you look at conservatives and specifically white conservatives 0.97
00:22:11.960 Everything in our society is constantly talking about how white men are evil. Conservatives are inherently evil. Christians are inherently evil. We need to eliminate whiteness. The Republicans are all fascists and all these things. 1.00
00:22:27.840 the rhetoric like that, the kind of rhetoric that Dave Chappelle is exhibiting and is now 0.96
00:22:32.160 very common to left, that is genocidal rhetoric. That is the type of rhetoric that drives people
00:22:37.160 to violence. And we have seen the fruits of that. And yet it is almost impossible for me to explain
00:22:44.280 this to conservatives, Christians, and whites. They simply will not hear that if you allow people 0.98
00:22:51.300 to talk about you in a genocidal manner eventually this will create the very uh actions that they are
00:22:58.320 talking about and i don't just mean oh someone had a criticism of white people one time or
00:23:03.080 christians one time uh so we have to end free speech i'm talking about the constant malicious 0.50
00:23:07.940 and upfront attacks where you say we need to eliminate whiteness we have to get rid of these
00:23:14.620 fascist gop people we're talking about language that definitely dehumanizes and puts people in
00:23:19.960 a position where they are easy to see as something that needs to be put down because ultimately
00:23:25.280 you know you're evil and you're not going to fight back because we've seen what's happened
00:23:29.060 again with charlie kirk here so what is it about these groups that makes it so hard for them
00:23:35.260 to again you know you don't have to go start the the whites only party or something but simply to
00:23:40.220 have you know the desire to say hey i'm going to stand up for the you know these people i am not
00:23:46.780 going to allow someone to discuss, you know, the color or, you know, the religion or the political
00:23:53.360 position of my child as something that's worth being eliminated because one day they will want
00:23:58.040 to eliminate my child. What is it about these groups that makes them so impotent in the face
00:24:02.300 of this kind of rhetoric? Well, I think a lot of it is almost a cliche, but a lot of it does have
00:24:10.400 to be attributed to the legacy media, the hegemony of the left and the legacy media.
00:24:16.780 And, you know, you can't even get ideas framed in the legacy media.
00:24:25.300 I mean, look at the ridiculous reaction of the New York Times when,
00:24:28.340 was it Santa Hawley or Santa Cotton advocated using the Interaction Act
00:24:33.080 against the BLM rioters?
00:24:35.220 And the editorial page had to resign because his staff was in revolt.
00:24:40.080 I mean, these people are truly evil who run the mainstream media institutions,
00:24:43.900 they do produce a sort of a false consciousness i think also that that uh you know the the the
00:24:50.460 fact that the whites have been driven into a minority in the us really has only penetrated
00:24:55.020 people's consciousness uh very very very recently uh to the to the extent that it has uh uh and uh
00:25:03.420 one of one of the results of one of the um interesting aspects of this election as you
00:25:08.620 look at george and practically every statewide office in georgia now is held by a black woman
00:25:13.260 Well, maybe that will bring home to the whites in Georgia, who is still a majority, that they better wake up and start voting just to defend their interests. 0.72
00:25:28.040 Well, I want to go ahead and – oh, sorry, go ahead. 0.73
00:25:29.960 Well, I see in the deep south states, the Republican white share is actually pretty good.
00:25:35.380 But if you look at Texas, where there was a white vote, they only got about 55% of the white vote in Texas, which is disgraceful. 0.94
00:25:42.460 I mean, blacks vote 90% for Democrats. 0.79
00:25:47.080 Jews vote 70% for Democrats. 0.99
00:25:50.000 They ought to be able to drive up the white vote. 0.98
00:25:51.720 And in the Deep South, that has actually happened. 0.62
00:25:54.080 Some of these white states, some of these white electors in the Deep South
00:25:57.200 do go for Republicans by 70%, 80%.
00:26:00.960 But not this time.
00:26:03.720 You can see that there's some kind of a disillusionment creeping in even there.
00:26:08.980 That's the problem that has to be addressed.
00:26:10.580 there's definitely you know the fact that you saw such a shift away again especially white young men
00:26:17.520 very much did not turn out in this election uh you saw a big gap there in enthusiasm and people
00:26:23.640 changing parties i think a big part of that has to do with many people feeling like the president
00:26:29.020 did not deliver on promises when it came to war when it came to affordability and they were willing
00:26:33.440 to vote for people who were announcing you know their desire to basically wipe out you know a
00:26:38.740 large population of whites and christians in the united states uh and i think this is just very
00:26:44.120 dangerous of course again this is why i would never tell anyone to vote for a democrat even
00:26:48.460 if i you know very much disagree with the president's action when it came to the war 0.98
00:26:52.220 because ultimately you know the people you'd be voting in hate you and want you dead as dave
00:26:56.080 chappelle has made it very clear so i think it's disastrous for for uh whites or christians or
00:27:00.900 anyone else frankly uh to vote for democrats because of the damage that they do to the country
00:27:06.900 But when people see a failure, they want to punish the person who failed them, even if the alternative is worse over time.
00:27:14.660 I mean, we've seen people vote for socialists, so that has to be true.
00:27:18.420 So I think that's a big factor in the defection we saw there.
00:27:21.280 But you're right that ultimately the Republicans must court that vote and must do it explicitly at the end of the day.
00:27:26.260 They have to stop being so terrified.
00:27:28.100 They're certainly not afraid to court the Hispanic vote or the Indian vote or the Jewish vote explicitly.
00:27:33.340 I'm not sure why this is the one group that they are not allowed to say we care about your interests, too, and we are going to take care of you as a group because we understand that that is very important.
00:27:43.940 But I do want to get to the actual comments of the president here.
00:27:47.300 So let's tee up that video real quick.
00:27:49.520 We couldn't get the word across.
00:27:51.740 Whether it was the message or the record, the Republican collapse will give Democrats in Congress new powers over budgets, hearings and subpoenas.
00:28:01.380 you came out after the midterms you congratulated the democrats you said that you were open to
00:28:06.580 working with them true what is one thing you would like to work with a democratic majority
00:28:10.980 i'd love to do something on immigration what because well so do you think immigration hurt
00:28:17.540 you in the midterm uh do you think the crackdown i think it both helped and hurt i think i got an
00:28:22.740 a plus for closing up the border i get very high marks for getting the bad ones out but i get hurt
00:28:28.660 because we also took people that had good jobs that created one violation or breaking
00:28:36.400 of the law and that was that they came into the country illegally.
00:28:39.740 Now there is a large part of the country that think that they should be put out and there's 0.89
00:28:44.620 a large part of the country that think that they should be allowed to stay if they're
00:28:48.220 good people working in a landscaping company or working in a hotel or doing something right
00:28:54.700 And in some cases paying taxes, and there's a large group of people think that they should
00:28:59.860 be allowed to stay.
00:29:01.120 So you think your deportation policy went too far?
00:29:03.940 It was too tough.
00:29:04.940 I think it might be too tough, yeah.
00:29:06.440 What would happen?
00:29:07.440 What does the deal look like with the Democrats?
00:29:08.440 I think ultimately that hurt me.
00:29:10.100 Well the deal would be, we would work something out, and I think it's something, I think that's
00:29:14.120 something that's actually doable.
00:29:16.080 Doable to create some kind of legal status for the landscapers?
00:29:20.940 you go into a hotel and so he goes on about how these people are really working hard and no one
00:29:27.060 wants to see them removed and you know this is obviously a very worrying language uh we'll we'll
00:29:33.860 begin with the i thought this was too harsh and this lost me the election again when we look at
00:29:40.440 the data we know that immigration was the only thing that trump space showed up for in the first
00:29:46.280 place uh so he he has he also acknowledges in that interview but that the war and israel were big
00:29:52.240 factors in the law so he's not just blaming uh the the immigration uh but the fact that he came out
00:29:58.880 uh immediately after losing an election because he didn't keep promises on the war uh and then
00:30:06.000 turns around and says and i might go ahead actually i want to do this deal with the left uh this seems
00:30:12.660 incredibly dangerous that this is the mindset he has going in. A lot of people felt good
00:30:16.560 that Stephen Miller was appointed to be the chief of staff in the White House right after
00:30:21.200 that loss, that it was a signal that actually we were heading in the correct direction. And to be
00:30:24.940 fair, to 60 Minutes, they actually say the same thing, that the appointment of Stephen Miller is
00:30:29.660 more significant than Trump's mentioning of these deals. So maybe that's the real indicator.
00:30:35.860 But I think the president's base has a reason to be worried in this moment. Do you?
00:30:41.140 Well, not just worry, but also insult it.
00:30:43.880 I mean, flagrant backpedaling like this,
00:30:49.300 it's just incredibly annoying.
00:30:51.040 But the point is, Trump has always done this.
00:30:53.700 He was doing it before the 2016 election.
00:30:57.060 And up to now, he's always come back on course.
00:31:01.920 And that is, I think, substantially due to Stephen Miller himself,
00:31:09.160 who's been in the White House all the way along.
00:31:11.660 And he's developed a whole grand strategy for the Republican Party
00:31:14.320 around suppressing immigration, reducing illegal immigration,
00:31:20.040 and suppressing illegal immigration.
00:31:23.280 I think that 60-minute interview must have been taped
00:31:26.020 before Miller's appointment was announced.
00:31:29.240 So I'm not sure which we take as the most significant.
00:31:35.740 But as I say, Trump's always like this.
00:31:37.660 What I find about Trump is that the people who support his policies
00:31:41.300 are the ones who hate him the most
00:31:44.880 because he can't actually be trusted to keep to remember his lines
00:31:48.940 or keep to the script.
00:31:53.180 Of course, I think this idea, apparently he was,
00:31:57.740 when that woman was killed in Minnesota,
00:32:00.420 that was when I was taping with Tucker Carlson in January of this year.
00:32:05.380 Carlson said that he'd been talking to the president,
00:32:07.840 trying to keep him from evading Iran.
00:32:10.680 And the president asked him,
00:32:12.400 what do you think about this kill these deaths in Minnesota?
00:32:15.200 And Tucker, to his discredits, said he thought they were terrible.
00:32:18.400 And Trump said, I think they're terrible too.
00:32:20.600 Well, I think they're great.
00:32:21.820 I thought it was a feature, not a bug.
00:32:24.520 They should have driven through.
00:32:25.940 They had the Democrats on the record,
00:32:27.940 making open and insurrection statements,
00:32:29.640 saying that they weren't going to obey federal law.
00:32:32.520 So I assume what they would do is impose the Interaction Act and arrest Governor Walz and Mayor Fry, whatever his name is, in Minneapolis, and then run on that.
00:32:46.180 Because the Democrats had been maneuvered to a situation where they were openly, you know, calling on people to resist the federal government.
00:32:54.400 But apparently what happened was, according to Maggie Haverman in her book on the Trump term, Iran came along.
00:33:00.560 uh netanyahu demanded that uh trump attack iran and and that just he doesn't want to be able to
00:33:07.120 think about many things at once that just that just uh blue blue is his constant his focus on
00:33:12.320 on this immigration structure and so we find ourselves running on the bombing iran rather
00:33:16.880 rather than arresting governor waltz which i don't think was a good trade you're right to say that
00:33:22.560 trump has said this many times and that's been the reaction that a lot of people have had oh well
00:33:27.200 Trump always talks like this. He said this a number of times, but he's never done it. And so
00:33:32.800 therefore, you know, this is- Well, actually, I only did try to do it very hard in the first term. 0.97
00:33:38.300 So trying to do an amnesty for the so-called dreamers in exchange for a border wall and some 0.84
00:33:46.140 other stuff. And that deal was masterminded by Stephen Miller. So we have reason to worry about
00:33:53.220 it. On the end, it fell apart because the Democrats can't control themselves. You know,
00:33:56.460 They won't accept any immigration restriction.
00:33:59.160 So, and they have a lot of craze in the caucus now.
00:34:02.400 So if they do try to do it, maybe we'll fall apart too.
00:34:07.740 That is my one hope in all of this, is that the Democrats are so insane that they could not do a deal with Trump for the very simple reason that their base hates Trump with the fire of a thousand suns. 0.95
00:34:20.680 And they expect the Democratic Party to like put him in jail and torture him.
00:34:24.420 And so they would never accept, even though an amnesty deal at this point would basically kill not only the Trump at presidency, but probably the GOP permanently. And I mean that on every level. It would destroy their credibility. It would make them completely unelectable for the simple fact that you're going to be increasing the Democratic vote vastly and lock them out.
00:34:42.880 I mean, it would be a disaster for our country, but it would kill the Republican Party dead in
00:34:46.580 its tracks. But I think the Democrats aren't even capable of doing that because they hate Trump so
00:34:50.880 much that even if they were handed the destruction of Donald Trump and the Republican Party on a
00:34:55.500 silver platter, they couldn't take it. They just can't control themselves. But I think this is a
00:35:00.440 big dynamic because, you know, previously a lot of people told themselves, well, watch what Trump
00:35:05.300 does, not what he says, right? Like that was, you know, don't take Trump literally, but take him
00:35:10.360 seriously we got a lot of that and it was generally good advice honestly there's so much
00:35:14.100 Donald Trump was always over here over there uh staple staple a green card to every diploma from
00:35:19.320 a Chinese spy you know stuff like that on a regular basis but it would never come around
00:35:23.960 and then we actually would see deportation numbers uh increase or you know the border close and so
00:35:28.720 people said yeah don't worry about it watch what he's doing now what he's saying the problem is
00:35:32.740 after the Iran conflict that gets harder to sell to your base because now you've seen him do and
00:35:39.640 do the opposite of what he said and so now you've seen him take those actions that ultimately would
00:35:46.160 betray those promises and it's hard to go back to the same people and say but on this stuff he
00:35:50.760 really means i know he didn't mean it with iran and i know we lied to you about that for like
00:35:54.880 a year to try to gaslight you into supporting him even though it was going to be a disaster but
00:35:59.800 when it comes to immigration he really means that one now i will say this a lot of people
00:36:04.580 have speculated that Stephen Miller is not going to change anything, that ultimately he's not
00:36:11.420 capable of this. Everybody I've seen who's met Stephen Miller, talked to him, said he really is
00:36:16.400 very hardline on immigration that is in an act. But as you say, there's also the possibility of
00:36:21.680 deals that he's helped to broker the past. What's your read on Stephen Miller? Do you think he truly
00:36:25.680 is dedicated above all to deportations, or do you think ultimately he will allow Trump to move in a
00:36:33.080 direction that is against the base? I think really that he's a true believer, and he actually
00:36:40.000 really does understand the issue very well. So I think that it's most likely that he will
00:36:47.560 continue. He might even attempt to tee the issue off as an issue to be run on in 2028, again,
00:36:55.880 in the way that I alluded to earlier.
00:37:00.580 Of course, he's also an exceptionally cunning
00:37:03.280 and ruthless operator.
00:37:06.880 And it is entirely false that he might decide
00:37:08.780 to try and go for some kind of a temporary amnesty
00:37:12.180 for some one reason or another.
00:37:14.520 So he can't absolutely be trusted.
00:37:17.260 Actually, I've only met Miller once.
00:37:20.000 He was in 2007.
00:37:23.740 And he arranged a debate for me, with me and some liberal journalist, whose name I can't remember, Peter Laufer, I think.
00:37:36.100 And he was at the dinner, and I remember wondering, what is he doing here?
00:37:40.880 Because he was kind of a suspicious character.
00:37:44.200 And the other person who arranged that debate, by the way, was Richard Spencer.
00:37:48.580 They were both together, a sort of world historical figure.
00:37:53.740 in the early in the early days um but i mean he's been absolutely consistent on this immigration
00:37:59.900 issue and he's also been very consistent about that not not helping all the people and keeping
00:38:04.940 keeping his uh keeping there were the various uh what were sort of crypto alt-right groups that
00:38:10.860 sprang up in in dc uh in around 2010 and he would never attend because he didn't want to take the
00:38:16.940 risk of being seen with them so so you know he's been extremely cautious in that respect and we'll
00:38:21.260 just have to see what he can do. I always liked to compare him to Disraeli, the British Prime Minister
00:38:27.340 Benjamin Disraeli, who was also Jewish of course, and he basically reinvented the modern conservative
00:38:35.260 party, obviously the one that was in existence until the last few years. He developed a grand
00:38:43.740 strategy around the British Empire and there really was an imperial nationalist in Britain in those
00:38:49.100 days uh and it did lead to uh the conservative party in in britain we used to get about a third
00:38:55.740 of the working class vote which is it was a very strong performance by european standards
00:39:01.740 uh and it was all put together by disraeli he was one who invented and rationalized it and started
00:39:06.540 winning elections on it even though of course he himself uh we you know the sephardic jew would
00:39:12.220 arrived and i think his grandfather immigrated to britain so and and uh and his father was
00:39:18.620 responsible for them all for the family converting to aglicanism to episcopalianism so
00:39:24.700 i think there's something in that of that in miller he's seen a great opportunity here and
00:39:29.500 he's taken it now you mentioned the possible deal that he had brokered and that's interesting
00:39:36.860 because i want to bring up this really quick so again a lot of people saying hey don't worry about
00:39:43.560 it don't worry about uh the there's no amnesty deal in fact we even had actually the rapid
00:39:49.780 response white house account uh respond to a blaze media headline saying the president pushes
00:39:55.880 an amnesty deal saying no amnesty was mentioned even though like yes the president didn't literally
00:40:01.240 say the word amnesty but he described in every way shape or form what amnesty is so it's like
00:40:06.420 saying well he never said airplane he just said a vehicle that flies in the air with two engines
00:40:11.980 with wings but you know uh we'll we'll talk about that distinction in a moment so interestingly uh
00:40:19.280 senator mark wayne mullen uh or secretary now uh mark wayne mullen uh head of the dhs uh apparently
00:40:26.720 right after this did not get the memo that we aren't doing amnesty uh well kind of he says uh
00:40:32.500 that that that there would be no amnesty we're not going to do amnesty but we might do a deal
00:40:38.300 with democrats that includes legal status for daca for the dreamers for uh the the children
00:40:45.420 of immigrants in the united states uh so even though we were told immediately oh don't be
00:40:51.580 ridiculous this you know trump didn't mean we were going to do a deal that's not real
00:40:55.600 he apparently no one told his cabinet secretaries because they turned around and said well we 0.98
00:41:00.400 wouldn't call it amnesty of course we're not stupid uh but we're gonna do a deal where we
00:41:05.960 would extend amnesty to all of these people that were previously part of a possible deal before
00:41:11.720 does this make you does this increase uh your the your like uh your belief in the fact that this
00:41:18.440 might be real that because this co uh corresponds so much uh closely to deals that trump has tried
00:41:24.640 to do in the past on this issue that we could see a real attempt to actually float this daca
00:41:29.560 compromise with the Democrats?
00:41:32.100 I'm sure the people in the administration
00:41:33.700 would very much like to do that.
00:41:35.560 And where Trump is on any given day, who knows?
00:41:40.200 There is a real danger,
00:41:41.800 and it's somewhat similar to this appalling first step bill
00:41:45.280 that Jared Kushner apparently talked him into doing
00:41:48.580 in the first term,
00:41:49.700 which basically reversed the effects of 30 years
00:41:53.320 of increasing punishments for crime.
00:41:57.820 and he gave me all the big photo ops
00:42:00.740 because all kinds of drug deals
00:42:02.060 and rap artists and so on
00:42:04.220 got out of prison
00:42:04.860 and he was able to have photographs with him.
00:42:07.180 And that's the kind of thing
00:42:09.020 that he's very susceptible to, apparently.
00:42:12.600 A deal is kind of an end in itself.
00:42:16.520 So it's a real danger,
00:42:18.620 there's no doubt about it.
00:42:21.080 But it's not,
00:42:23.660 at this point we can't take it,
00:42:24.920 as you say, we can't take it literally.
00:42:26.200 We'll just have to see what Miller does.
00:42:29.340 So the other response to this that I thought was fascinating that I wanted to get your opinion on is Bishop Robert Barron.
00:42:35.560 Now, Bishop Barron is a popular commentator online as well as being a Catholic bishop, does a lot of stuff in what is often considered the based Catholic world.
00:42:48.560 Many of the traditional Catholics like Bishop Barron for his ability to kind of reach in and speak to younger people through video and YouTube and that kind of thing, while also kind of maintaining that Catholic aesthetic.
00:43:03.380 And he says this. Now, Bishop Barron was denouncing the events in Minnesota when they occurred.
00:43:09.260 If you'll remember, he said that they were terrible and that ICE needed to stop immediately.
00:43:14.260 he says friends catholic social teaching holds two things together a nation has the right and
00:43:18.920 duty to regulate its borders just don't ask the pope i guess uh and every immigrant is a person
00:43:24.500 in uh of incomparable dignity who deserves generosity in january amid the tensions in
00:43:29.500 minnesota i propose the enforcement uh focus on those who have committed serious crimes
00:43:33.400 aka don't actually deport illegals only you know the worst of the worst uh last year together with
00:43:39.380 my brother bishops of minnesota i called on congress to pass comprehensive immigration reform
00:43:44.540 what the president described sunday in his 60 minutes interview about immigration is very much
00:43:49.460 in that spirit he goes on to talk about how basically this is the fulfillment of catholic
00:43:55.760 social teaching uh so apparently to bishop baron you know this he believes that the amnesty is
00:44:01.360 coming and should come uh and he believes that this is in line with catholic teaching now uh i
00:44:08.180 don't want to start an inter-sectarian war here between Christians. I think United
00:44:14.020 Christians have more problems than they do with the outside than they do with each other,
00:44:20.100 and they need to stand shoulder to shoulder. But it is concerning when we see someone framing,
00:44:25.040 someone who's supposed to be conservative, supposed to be right-wing, when he's framing
00:44:30.240 a mass amnesty for illegals as something that is part of Catholic social teaching.
00:44:36.120 because if a man who is ostensibly right-wing and holds that faith will say something like this
00:44:43.140 then you have to start to wonder what level of influence again especially with that 20 points
00:44:47.860 or like 15 or 20 point swing of catholics becoming uh you know more left-wing in this
00:44:52.820 in this voting block in this election i mean how are we to approach a message like this when
00:44:58.780 ultimately it seems to undermine so much of what needs to happen for the future of the united states
00:45:03.600 Well, he's wrong, of course. It isn't pointed to by Catholic teaching at all.
00:45:07.840 It's just what liberals and Democrats want to think. The Catholic Church is a real problem,
00:45:14.960 because it does seem to be thinking in terms of his hemispheric influence, becoming a non-white
00:45:22.640 church. So it's a real problem. Here in West Virginia, the local diocese had imposed upon it
00:45:32.240 a former illegal illegal alien from el salvador i've forgotten his name but but um he came he
00:45:38.560 came across way back when it was amnesty under reagan amnesty and and so he was he's been
00:45:42.960 appointed head of data in west virginia where there were virtually no hispanics not many catholics
00:45:46.960 either but there are some of these um and i was very disappointed that trump didn't attack that
00:45:52.240 it was a deliberately insulting thing that this this pope who was obviously a leftist did it did
00:45:57.440 to impose a former illegal alien.
00:46:00.520 It just sends out an absolutely wrong message.
00:46:02.520 But I guess Trump was distracted
00:46:03.640 because he didn't say anything about it.
00:46:05.820 And in his first term,
00:46:06.560 he actually did in the campaign in 2015 and 2016,
00:46:11.240 he actually did criticize the court,
00:46:12.860 which I think is a legitimate thing to do. 0.91
00:46:18.700 Do you remember Richard John Newhouse?
00:46:20.940 He was a neoconservative.
00:46:22.380 Well, it's just years go by.
00:46:24.780 He was a very prominent figure
00:46:25.920 in the neoconservative writing.
00:46:26.920 he was a Lutheran and he converted to Catholicism.
00:46:29.100 And I think they made him some kind of a,
00:46:31.200 and it wasn't a cardinal,
00:46:32.640 but it was something like some kind of a status.
00:46:36.800 And he once said to me that he just could go
00:46:40.220 attend these Catholic meetings.
00:46:41.820 He'd just come, Catholic bishops.
00:46:43.620 He'd come to the conclusion that they simply decided
00:46:45.260 to dissolve their historic alliance
00:46:47.420 with American nationalism
00:46:48.460 because Catholics were extremely patriotic
00:46:50.380 and they were encouraged to assimilate and so on.
00:46:52.280 and to reinvent themselves as a hemispheric Spanish-speaking church.
00:46:59.160 And if so, that's very dangerous. 0.96
00:47:02.180 And it's up to somebody like the president, and actually all of us,
00:47:05.300 to give them a whack on the snout and tell them to cut it out.
00:47:10.120 We're an English-speaking nation, and we get to say who comes in here. 0.98
00:47:18.340 So the last question I want to ask you.
00:47:20.640 I can tell you they're not as bad as the Episcopalians.
00:47:26.000 I attend Catholic Mass with Lydia and my three children
00:47:29.700 because they've been brought up Catholic,
00:47:31.160 and that's because, unlike with my first wife who died,
00:47:34.340 I agreed to bring them up Catholic 0.82
00:47:35.780 because I couldn't face the Episcopalian Church 0.99
00:47:38.200 in this state of complete putrefaction that is in now. 0.98
00:47:42.540 Well, as a lifelong Southern Baptist,
00:47:45.060 blessedly we get to avoid that for now,
00:47:47.380 not that we don't have our own problems to tell.
00:47:49.180 They're working on it.
00:47:49.840 they're working yeah they're working hard it's the lone bulwark so that's why they've got to
00:47:54.040 tear it down right um but but that said before we go to the questions of the people i wanted to ask
00:48:00.380 you in this moment again there are a lot of people who are demoralized disheartened they see uh what's
00:48:07.040 happened with the president they see what's happened in the midterms uh and uh there's a lot
00:48:11.700 of talk about you know just giving up walk away from the republican party go start something else
00:48:17.080 or don't bother with politics at all.
00:48:19.340 It's all a waste of time.
00:48:21.140 And I just wanted you to speak to that
00:48:23.460 because again, you're a man,
00:48:24.940 you and your colleagues at Bader,
00:48:26.580 whether it's Steve Saylor or others,
00:48:29.040 have been proven right so many times over,
00:48:31.020 but have also not necessarily won the battles
00:48:33.200 in which you were factually correct.
00:48:36.040 And I just wonder if you could speak
00:48:37.340 to the young people who are currently experiencing that
00:48:39.500 in many cases for the first time,
00:48:42.220 how should they react to this?
00:48:44.440 Where should their energy go?
00:48:45.840 How should they apply themselves if they do want to see real change happen over time?
00:48:51.400 Oh, of course, they should organize.
00:48:53.240 I mean, I've seen I've seen tweets suggesting that young Republicans in Texas have had a great influx of membership since since this election.
00:49:01.600 And as I said, I've been through I've been through this a few times.
00:49:08.960 64 was awful.
00:49:10.720 74 was awful.
00:49:12.000 So on and so forth.
00:49:12.900 and there's a real possibility
00:49:16.420 that the party will bounce back.
00:49:18.980 The demographic damage that's been done to the US 0.95
00:49:21.400 by the 1965 immigration at the Hartz-Celler Act 0.91
00:49:24.200 is colossal, but it can be contained.
00:49:27.540 That's one of the reasons I'm so disappointed
00:49:29.380 that they didn't pass a constitutional amendment
00:49:34.400 against both rights citizenship and run on that.
00:49:37.880 It can be contained.
00:49:39.440 It's just that you need to have the will to contain it.
00:49:42.900 And all I can say is, you know, from my own point of view, this issue was obviously developed very dramatically.
00:49:47.500 And when I founded VDARE after we were purged from National Review in 1999,
00:49:53.220 there were very few places where criticism of immigration was allowed, even simple facts about immigration.
00:50:00.960 For example, the fact that these illegals are all dependent on government programmes.
00:50:04.760 You couldn't, it's almost impossible to get that into the media.
00:50:08.840 That's not true now. There's been a tremendous revolution in terms of so many good people out there broadcasting and so on on this issue from a patriot perspective. So that's a very positive sign. I'm going to be 18 next year, so I wish to hurry up about it.
00:50:27.800 we all do sir we all do all right before we head to the questions of the people here real quick
00:50:34.200 is there anything you want people to check out vader books events anything you want to talk
00:50:38.600 about before we get the questions well as you know or we've been attacked by a vampire squid
00:50:44.900 in the shape of letitia james the new york state attorney general and she forced us to
00:50:50.160 the cost of this thing is so high that we had to suspend the site uh two years ago in april
00:50:57.180 But it is still there, vdare.com.
00:50:59.520 The whole archives are put together by friends and patriots,
00:51:02.620 and it's all searchable.
00:51:03.700 So there's 25 years of immigration coverage there.
00:51:07.660 And I'm peterbrimelow.com, which is actually a sub-stack page,
00:51:15.680 and we post there very regularly, and it's completely free,
00:51:21.360 although people very kindly do make contributions,
00:51:24.080 which is just as well because we obviously have no income
00:51:26.940 since Vidal was closed. And I have to say, if you don't mind, that we have Gibson goals running to
00:51:35.100 money to defend the foundation, money to defend ourselves personally, because she's suing us
00:51:39.500 personally now. And of course, the way this works is we'll probably have to declare bankruptcy
00:51:45.340 because of these costs that are imposed upon us. I don't think people realize, unless you're
00:51:52.140 They're absolutely under the toe beneath the harrow how completely politicized the American judiciary is now.
00:51:59.100 It's not, I mean, we have a, we've got a very clear, we can very clearly show that the AG was conspiring against our civil rights.
00:52:07.860 We can't even get the federal courts to look at the issue, let alone the New York State courts.
00:52:11.660 They're absolutely hopeless.
00:52:14.240 They're not judges.
00:52:15.580 They're just political commissars.
00:52:17.300 well i fear with the intentions of the democrats far more republicans and conservatives will get
00:52:23.820 to experience exactly what you have experienced but that said uh if you want to help uh videre
00:52:30.100 and mr brimelow defend those cases of course please go check those out where can they find
00:52:35.440 them can they find them at peterbrimelow.com or where will they find links to that well if you
00:52:39.260 look at my my um twitter page which is which is at peter brimelow you'll see that i've got the
00:52:46.340 appeals pin but you can also go to vdare.com itself and you'll see it there's a there's an item
00:52:51.600 menu bar item that says donate and you can get to our gifts and go through that through that
00:52:57.120 excellent guys well if you want to help some of the guys who have been in the trenches for the
00:53:01.900 longest time doing the good work then you have your opportunity there let's head over to the
00:53:07.620 questions real quick uh shine wyland says new pennsylvania lieutenant governor said she'll 1.00
00:53:12.480 uphold the black agenda. 0.97
00:53:15.400 Yeah, real 1.00
00:53:16.680 comfortable saying things like that
00:53:18.720 without any hesitation, aren't they?
00:53:20.420 Steve Saylor wrote a column for us
00:53:22.720 maybe 15
00:53:24.820 years ago saying that
00:53:25.840 to the extent that the Democrats 0.61
00:53:28.520 are the black party, and he urged
00:53:30.760 people, he urged Republicans
00:53:32.680 to brand the Democrats
00:53:34.500 as the black party. They're not going to be able to hold
00:53:36.480 other people in that coalition.
00:53:39.880 That's generally
00:53:40.660 the problem with
00:53:41.340 their coalition is unstable
00:53:44.440 people won't like 1.00
00:53:48.580 black hogging everything which is what they're actually doing 1.00
00:53:50.480 right now 1.00
00:53:50.960 and Sean
00:53:53.820 says lieutenant governor of New Jersey
00:53:56.360 swore to uphold the black agenda 0.91
00:53:58.040 so again just more of these
00:54:00.400 democrat politicians being more than happy to
00:54:02.300 explain that they are
00:54:03.980 what they are even if ultimately the republicans
00:54:06.540 lied to themselves conservatives lied to themselves
00:54:08.420 about what the conflict
00:54:10.180 is about for Democrats. Let's see here. Ghost of Reach says, if the right was actually violent,
00:54:17.260 the left would never act like this. They would be kept in line, but the right has no will to power
00:54:22.840 or action. I mean, this is of course, look, I am obviously not encouraging any kind of vigilante
00:54:29.300 violence here, but there is a very clear line between being helpless and people preying upon
00:54:36.300 you uh and it's one thing if the left thinks you're evil and strong hey we've got the guns
00:54:42.220 we've got the government you know because at least they know okay these guys might be evil but they're
00:54:46.080 dangerous right but the worst thing in the world is for your enemy to believe that you're evil and
00:54:50.640 weak because then they think oh not only do i have a moral duty to eliminate these people
00:54:55.060 but there will be no consequence for this and so i think this is the most dangerous fallout from
00:55:00.180 the trump administration doing nothing about the political assassinations like those of charlie
00:55:04.200 kirk because ultimately the lesson learned by the left is uh there there really is no reason not to
00:55:10.680 push back without any kind of repercussions any kind of state uh you know force being brought
00:55:17.120 against leftists they will continue to do this kind of violence we've seen this in places like
00:55:21.740 spain during the civil war where the the communists the socialists get together they bomb a bunch of
00:55:27.000 right-wingers uh people die the state does nothing and then more extreme action is necessary down the
00:55:32.300 road, and all the people crying about the possibility of a radical right rising. Well,
00:55:37.500 if you wanted to stop that at all, you'd address this now, while you still could do it under the
00:55:42.020 color of law. But you're refusing to do that. So eventually, there are only so many options
00:55:46.460 available. Yeah, I mean, there's a whole new crop of grassroots activists coming up, which is very
00:55:54.740 heartening and the the uh the the purge after the the j6 purge and the purge that took place 1.00
00:56:01.460 after charlesville has not been able to completely stamp it out it just naturally grows back
00:56:05.860 uh i think you and i i met you at an organ at the conference of an organization like that
00:56:10.740 and i find it very heartening more that the playing all these young men and they are they
00:56:15.300 pretty overwhelmingly are men uh you know getting together and organizing uh so so uh i wouldn't say
00:56:23.700 right there's no will to power actually i think it's there it just it just hasn't been focused
00:56:29.220 yet as you say organization is the key maddie ice says on catholic leadership the boston globe cited
00:56:37.220 the child abuse as being 80 percent male-on-male bad stats for an institution thought of as
00:56:43.540 homophobic church says it is a sin like any other i mean obviously i don't want to get deep into the
00:56:50.340 catholic uh you know abuse scandal uh obviously that was real and tragic but that that's an
00:56:55.820 internal matter i guess for ultimately catholics to address uh i don't know where that is now in
00:57:01.340 the church i don't have enough internal knowledge to really have a handle i do however worry about
00:57:07.260 external uh assertions from people like the pope from people like bishop baron who say actually
00:57:13.260 you know america does need to do amnesty we do need to be welcoming to all the all of the refugees
00:57:18.880 and all of the immigrants uh you know when we're making direct discussion again you know obviously
00:57:24.020 the abuse of children is very serious and uh deserves all the correct biblical public 0.99
00:57:28.900 punishments that come uh attached to millstones but like at the end of the day uh it's the public
00:57:34.440 declarations of policy about immigration that worry me the most from many prominent leaders
00:57:39.840 of the catholic church because that has a large you know chance to sway many voters in an election
00:57:44.960 and, you know, immigration is on the ballot
00:57:47.780 while the Catholic abuse scandal is not. 0.53
00:57:50.960 Right.
00:57:52.460 They have problems in that church, I'm sorry to say.
00:57:59.740 And we could do with a patriotic bishop emerging.
00:58:06.460 I mean, in Italy, there are two or three of them.
00:58:09.560 And so I guess we have to pray for that.
00:58:13.400 again, I I'm rooting for my, I'm rooting for my traditional and based Catholic brothers and
00:58:18.840 sisters. I know I give them a hard time. Uh, but ultimately I'm, I'm rooting for you guys. I hope
00:58:24.100 you take over the church. I hope that you, uh, steer it in a direction. It would be great to get
00:58:28.900 a Catholic Pope. I think that would be awesome. Uh, so, uh, you know, I really, I really am, uh,
00:58:34.400 praying for you guys. And again, I know evangelicals have our own problems. Trust me.
00:58:37.860 we're very aware. So everybody has to take care of their own internal issues. It's not one
00:58:44.980 denomination by themselves, but that is just simply hitting the Catholic Church very clearly
00:58:50.400 in this moment. Well, Mr. Bimlow, it's been a pleasure once again to speak with you. Again,
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