The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 15, 2024


Declaring War on the Kulaks ｜ Guest： Bennett's Phylactery ｜ 3⧸15⧸24


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 7 minutes

Words per Minute

166.34431

Word Count

11,152

Sentence Count

572

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

Kevin Dolan joins me to talk about Joe Biden's State of the Union, and why he thinks we should all be worried about what's happening in America right now. (1:00) Why is Joe Biden so dangerous? (2:30) Why does he think we should be worried? (3:20) What does it mean that we need to go through an entire reconstruction or denazification process in order to crush our enemies?


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?
00:00:31.760 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.
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00:00:37.680 So, a lot of people noticed during Biden's State of the Union that, well, he kind of made it through.
00:00:43.740 He managed not to pass out or fall down or completely blank for the most part.
00:00:48.240 Though he did have that cough that sounded like he should be in some kind of tuberculosis camp.
00:00:53.200 However, the big moment everyone took away from that was probably the Lake and Riley moment
00:00:58.720 moment where he forgot the name and everything.
00:01:01.780 And that was kind of the story coming out of it.
00:01:04.540 But I think another big point that people didn't pay as much attention to is that Biden actually declared war a couple times during that discussion.
00:01:14.080 Not enough people actually, I think, picked up that point.
00:01:17.800 But one of my favorite commentators did.
00:01:21.020 His name is Kevin Dolan.
00:01:22.300 He writes under Bennett's Phylactery both on Twitter and on Substack.
00:01:26.160 And I wanted to have him on to talk about that.
00:01:28.400 Kevin, thanks for joining me, man.
00:01:30.300 Great to be here.
00:01:31.180 Thanks.
00:01:31.420 Absolutely.
00:01:32.860 So as you picked up and a lot of people didn't, Joe Biden repeatedly declared war during that speech.
00:01:40.720 Who did he declare war on?
00:01:43.420 Well, yeah, I mean, he was a little subterranean about it, but he was essentially declaring war on his domestic political opponents.
00:01:54.240 And he was likening our current moment to both 1861 and 1941.
00:02:02.820 And the implicit message of both of those things is that war is inevitable and appeasement is impossible and morally wrongheaded.
00:02:18.020 And therefore, like all you can do with your enemies, if you're sort of placing yourself as the protagonist of 1861 or 1945, is to crush them, destroy them.
00:02:30.120 And, you know, that's – at the same time, he's arguing that political violence has no place in American politics, which I took that to mean essentially that we're going to extirpate and immiserate these people by legal procedural means.
00:02:53.660 And we would very much like it if they went along with that as quietly and orderly as possible.
00:03:01.940 Yeah, it really did seem strange that more people didn't grasp the language there.
00:03:07.140 When you invoke, as you said, 1861 and the 1940s, it's very clear you're talking about the need to go through an entire reconstruction or denazification process, right?
00:03:20.700 That's the illusion. That's the kind of power you're saying you need in both of those situations.
00:03:25.840 I need to be able to not only defeat my enemy, but it's important that I go through and be able to completely purge them, change their way of life, alter them in a very substantial way so that we can once again rule over them in their entirety.
00:03:40.600 And I think that a lot of people just kind of blew past that rhetoric as if it's not important.
00:03:45.860 In the piece you wrote, you explain a couple of different ways that you think that's going to happen or is already happening.
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00:05:25.040 So, at the beginning of this piece, you kind of predicate a lot of what you say in this piece upon the fact that you think the United States is kind of facing a pretty impending financial collapse.
00:05:37.540 Because last week, we had a bunch of conservative commentators be like, you know, Social Security, that's the end of the Republic.
00:05:46.180 That's the thing that's going to take it down.
00:05:48.040 Obviously, Social Security is essentially a Ponzi scheme.
00:05:51.160 It will collapse your financial system eventually, just due to the math involved, especially if you're not having children, which is something else you talk a lot about we might get into.
00:05:59.940 But you identify some other problems, that this might be a little closer than just the Social Security fund going bankrupt.
00:06:09.380 Why do you think America is in the position where it's got an impending financial collapse?
00:06:13.800 Well, essentially, all of the methods of expropriating and redistributing wealth that are dilutive, like inflation, like mass migration,
00:06:32.840 and basically ways of sort of reducing the individual citizen's stake in the country or their stake in their own wealth.
00:06:41.760 Those methods are, they've been exhausted, essentially.
00:06:47.520 And so what you're looking at is we've got a deficit that there's nothing, there's no real political will to arrest that deficit or even the growth of that deficit.
00:06:58.880 And if you do the math, the national debt will equal the total market cap of all U.S. stocks by 2035.
00:07:13.400 And so it's like, they're going, and Balaji Srinivasan put this in a really interesting way.
00:07:19.340 And he said, they're burning $10 billion a day, which means that the U.S. government is eating the value of a billion-dollar tech unicorn every couple hours,
00:07:31.260 which is like, and I think that's for his audience, which is composed of guys who like know how hard it is to make a billion dollars.
00:07:39.360 And it's just unreal.
00:07:41.900 It's like, I don't know how many of your listeners are familiar with Warhammer, but the god emperor on his throne commanding the sacrifice of 10,000 every day to sustain his unnatural life.
00:07:56.000 That's kind of where we're at.
00:07:57.260 And so, yeah, basically, they're not able to use the sort of monetary policy and the shell games to fleece people anymore.
00:08:14.600 And the spending, there was nothing to arrest the spending.
00:08:17.240 And now it's reaching a point where in order to maintain the loyalty of their clients, which is, I mean, it's, you know, maybe partly ideological, but it's overwhelmingly just a matter of interest, right?
00:08:31.380 It's like, who's going to give me the free cheese?
00:08:37.180 And to maintain the loyalty of those clients, they're going to have to go get some real assets, which means they're going to have to take them.
00:08:45.240 And I enumerated a couple of ways that might happen, which credit topology on that as well.
00:08:55.600 He's talked a lot about sort of the ways that wealth is being expropriated.
00:09:00.360 So I can't, I can't take credit for the whole, for sort of what I put forward there, but it's selective seizures in civil and criminal cases, like you saw with Elon or with Trump or with Alex Jones.
00:09:17.040 It's selective targeting for like IRS audits.
00:09:23.800 It's, it's even things like from, from like an anarcho tyranny perspective, it's things like allowing your sort of client class to squat in other people's property and refuse to evict them, which is, it's a de facto transfer of that asset.
00:09:43.500 Um, which is, it's, it's sort of a, maybe not effortless, but like very low effort way to take something from somebody you don't like and give it to somebody who's in your pocket.
00:09:56.600 So it's things like that, that I think are coming down the pike and that are already sort of, uh, uh, emerging on the fringes.
00:10:04.380 Yeah. I want to talk about that transition real quick, because I, you know, we're big believers on elite theory on this podcast.
00:10:12.320 Everyone here who's, who's been listening for a while is familiar with the notion that elites are the ones that run society for the most part.
00:10:20.260 They're the ones that are going to influence your decisions or culture, these things.
00:10:22.840 And so in a, in a very political realist set of terms, the, the government really is, this is the one thing the libertarians are, my buddy Charlewayne said this, I'm just going to steal it out.
00:10:33.720 Right. The one thing libertarians are right about is that the government really is just a gang that's here to steal your money.
00:10:39.520 What they don't understand is you want to be the gang. Um, but, but there, there is this transition between, uh, you know, we, we have these, like you said, those dilutive mess methods.
00:10:52.080 We understand that at some level, the government is always taking money from the populace and redistributing it to their clients.
00:10:59.440 That's always going on at some level, but there are levels of that, that are, that are long-term sustainable at some level, actually even healthy for the nation.
00:11:09.520 And that actually grows its stability and, and its ability to reliably create complex systems and these kinds of things.
00:11:17.220 And what we're seeing now, which is really just the, the, the copper being stripped out of the walls at this point.
00:11:22.720 And so I want to talk about that transition because what are the big shifts, the big things we see when the government goes away from just its normal job of kind of taking your money and giving it to its friends and full out saying, oh no, we're just,
00:11:39.400 we're going to go through these wild methods of, you know, we're, we're not even doing this through a complex systems of bureaucratic manipulation.
00:11:46.200 We're just literally going to let someone squat in your home and make sure you don't do anything about it.
00:11:51.100 Yeah. And I think when I hear libertarians talk about the role that the state performs, I think there's a very direct analogy to be drawn to the way that communists talk about management.
00:12:07.980 They, they, they, they view it as like completely parasitic, like it's not a service that's being provided.
00:12:13.940 And I actually disagree. I think governance is a service.
00:12:16.660 I think that, uh, that, that, that providing a, uh, a bubble of stability and security, uh, and, and, and maintaining a predictable and reasonable level of, uh, you know, the, the fact that the fact that the government gets to decide what you're, uh, what they're going to charge you, uh, for that service is, is, is, you know, that, that sort of complicates the analogy a little bit.
00:12:43.120 But, um, it's, it's, it's, it's one of these services that has to be provided as a monopoly.
00:12:48.780 And so it's just sort of, that's, that's the nature of the beast, but, but these, these, these institutions, uh, exist everywhere and they, it's sort of a necessary, uh, component of the ecosystem and, and what you are seeing now.
00:13:02.460 And I think, I think ultimately government, uh, is it's most functional when the people in charge of it feel a sense of kinship and a sense of stake in the body politic as a whole.
00:13:14.440 And, and, and, and one of, uh, you know, one, one of the things that Yarvin has said on that subject is that like with his formulation of like hereditary monarchy, it's like, uh, this, uh, this, this family has this long run investment in the state, because in a sense, in a sense they own the state.
00:13:35.400 And so they are incentivized to, uh, to, to, to invest in its long-term flourishing and, uh, and, and also they, they feel like a, a personal, uh, stake in its beauty.
00:13:49.620 It's not, it's not a commons, whereas in a, in a democracy where the pendulum swings every four or eight years, uh, it, it absolutely is a commons.
00:13:59.780 And anything you don't eat is going to be eaten by your enemies as soon as they're in power.
00:14:06.240 Um, and so there's this inevitable gravity towards short-term thinking and toward being, uh, rapacious and, uh, I mean, frankly, just kleptocratic.
00:14:20.300 And, uh, and, and so even, you know, even, uh, conservatives when there are, you know, whatever you want to, however useful you think that term is, uh, conservatives.
00:14:30.520 Will take power and, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll bark about the deficit until they're in charge and they'll do nothing about it.
00:14:35.200 And it's just a deficit will go to defense spending instead of to welfare spending.
00:14:39.860 And, and there's a, you know, you can, you can, uh, accuse people of moral turpitude over that.
00:14:47.440 But when absolutely everybody is doing the same thing over the course of generations, I tend to think, ah, there's something systemic here.
00:14:54.840 There's something that's, there's, there's, there's an incentive gradient that is driving people toward this and sort of fulminating about how, like how they're such bad people and they're such crooks.
00:15:03.840 It's just not useful.
00:15:05.460 Uh, it's, it's the actual structure, uh, of, of our system of government that's causing this problem.
00:15:11.160 Um, and we're, yeah, we're basically at the point where, uh, those contradictions are beginning to come to a head.
00:15:19.140 And, uh, you can see that in the stakes for this presidential election where both sides have, I think, a reasonable expectation that if they don't win this election, they will be at minimum, uh, shut out of the, shut out of the systems of power.
00:15:44.160 And shut out of their, their sort of personal career, uh, for a long time, if, if they don't actually go to prison.
00:15:52.180 And so their incentive is to do literally whatever it takes to either get in power or stay in power.
00:16:00.140 Uh, and I, I've pointed this out several times, but like many of the people running the, these sort of, uh, the blob these days are literally the same people who ran like the Clinton admin in the nineties.
00:16:15.840 And they weren't acting like this.
00:16:18.160 Uh, you know, they, they may have still sort of been the same kind of people, but they weren't acting like this.
00:16:23.200 And I think it's, it's, it's, it's this, this accelerating process of, uh, of the stakes being raised on them and on the system as it kind of comes to a head, comes to a crisis.
00:16:36.780 Yeah.
00:16:37.260 It feels like you said a lot, a lot of people would look at the Clinton era and say, okay, maybe some things were out of whack.
00:16:44.380 Maybe there are some signs that eventually we would end up in the worst scenario, but it didn't feel like people were, you know, like preparing to eat each other.
00:16:52.340 You know, in the sense that you're, you're talking about and part of that is the ideological acceleration.
00:16:59.280 It feels like it's become more and more important to signal your complete distinction from, uh, the deplorables, right.
00:17:08.160 In every way, it doesn't matter what Donald Trump says.
00:17:11.820 It doesn't matter what someone on the right says.
00:17:13.940 The key thing for you is to be on the opposite side of it, no matter how radical it is.
00:17:18.420 It doesn't matter if you're shoving puberty blockers down the throat of an eight year old.
00:17:21.300 Like that, that's not what the people in the red States do.
00:17:24.680 So we do it.
00:17:25.360 And it, and it's wholly because it's the opposite of what they do.
00:17:29.240 And it feels like, yeah, I've had a lot of people get angry about the invocation of Carl
00:17:34.800 Schmidt and Schmidian politics.
00:17:37.140 And, uh, you know, how, how could you wish this upon people as if this is something that
00:17:41.540 people who are observing reality have foisted upon it instead of just something that is clearly
00:17:47.360 observable to anyone with both eyeballs.
00:17:50.260 And, and so it's, you know, uh, like you said, I think there is an incentive structure
00:17:56.880 here that, and this is what Carl Schmidt says is as long as there's a democratic process,
00:18:01.740 politics must enter all of these realms.
00:18:04.900 It previously did not enter, you know, as, as Jarvin says, the power is loose.
00:18:10.020 And when the power is loose, everyone has to do everything they can to secure it.
00:18:14.840 There's no such thing as acceptable, loose power.
00:18:17.860 It simply is not, it's not something that you can allow to happen inside your system.
00:18:22.760 And so you have to attach it to something.
00:18:24.360 And so the competition becomes more and more aggressive.
00:18:27.220 And politics has to go ahead and pierce every sphere of society.
00:18:31.480 And so people get more and more crazed about, you know, what they're going to signal on and
00:18:37.020 what they're going to do to their enemies.
00:18:38.820 And yeah, I think the left have much less of a reason to be worried about the right and
00:18:44.080 them being shut out in perpetuity, but they certainly look at what they have done and said,
00:18:48.920 man, if I was the other guy, I sure would do these things back to me.
00:18:53.960 And so they definitely want to make sure that they're, they've built a weapon that is simply
00:18:58.200 too dangerous to hand over to their enemies because public opinion was 51% of the other
00:19:03.220 direction.
00:19:03.760 It's simply just not something that's ever going to happen again.
00:19:06.860 And so you see the, you know, the, the levels of, uh, vitriol grow, but more importantly,
00:19:12.800 and I think this is what you really hit on so well was you see the methods of expropriating
00:19:18.940 what exists, what material benefits your, uh, your opponents have, uh, increase because
00:19:25.920 they're, they're simply not going to allow you to own property anymore and not gonna
00:19:29.460 allow you to have jobs anymore.
00:19:30.360 It's not just enough that you'll be ruled by these people.
00:19:34.100 It's that you can have no assets available to you because they all need to be stripped
00:19:39.440 from the evil people and redistributed to the good people.
00:19:43.400 Well, there, there's that saying, uh, if voting mattered, they'd make it illegal.
00:19:49.960 Um, and, and, and here's, here's what I would connect that.
00:19:54.820 So I was talking to, uh, I was, I was posting on Twitter about, uh, about Bitcoin and sort
00:19:59.100 of the advantage of being able to, uh, to the fact that it can only be taken from you
00:20:06.040 if, you know, somebody like pulls your toenails out and makes you give them your, uh, your
00:20:09.940 key phrase.
00:20:10.520 Right.
00:20:11.280 And somebody pointed out to me, they were like, Hey, look, man, it's actually the, the,
00:20:15.640 the trad fi traditional finance, uh, mechanisms of third parties that like prevent that from
00:20:21.620 happening.
00:20:22.020 It's actually like a service they provide.
00:20:23.580 Like, it's actually good that, uh, that, you know, even if you pull my toenails out, I
00:20:28.480 can't actually give you access to financial stuff because somebody else is, is, is stewarding
00:20:34.400 it.
00:20:34.560 They have custody of it.
00:20:35.960 And, uh, in, in much the same way, I think what has happened with social media is that it
00:20:44.600 has actually, it has made free speech, freedom of speech, a, a practical fact of American
00:20:50.520 life.
00:20:52.920 And that's fundamentally why, uh, the system is freaking out because if you had, you had
00:21:01.520 free speech in principle in the nineties, like Alex Jones was around in the nineties.
00:21:07.480 Um, and, and, and, you know, post nine 11, uh, he, he started to get a following, but
00:21:15.140 like, I remember Alex Jones people around that time.
00:21:18.740 And like, I was a very young kid and I was like, these people are weird.
00:21:23.720 Like, this is a very strange, very fringe, uh, subgroup.
00:21:27.640 And now it's like the, uh, the institutions of, uh, the sense making and like, and like
00:21:37.220 who, who decides consensus reality, uh, uh, institutions of, of American politics and policy
00:21:44.180 are like, they're dealing with Alex Jones as a, as a fear threat.
00:21:48.860 Like he is, he is not some wacko that they can dismiss.
00:21:53.080 Uh, he is, well, he's a wacko that they have to deal with and, and, uh, and they're
00:21:59.500 very, um, they're, they're taking the gloves off.
00:22:03.980 And I think you're seeing that with Elon Musk, it basically all sort of the promise of, uh,
00:22:09.240 of the internet of, of sort of freedom of information.
00:22:13.320 And, uh, it's all real.
00:22:15.240 It's all, it happened.
00:22:16.200 We, we got, we got the dream and, uh, and it turns out that there's a lot of people in
00:22:22.440 charge who don't want to tolerate that.
00:22:26.080 Yeah.
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00:23:43.980 So you hit on that fact that there's been a realization of free speech on the Internet in
00:23:48.820 a way that probably most people don't appreciate fully.
00:23:52.300 A lot of people look back at, I don't know, like the AOL days or something, because I'm old
00:23:56.660 enough for that to happen.
00:23:57.940 I remember when the Internet came on a CD and a 32K modem.
00:24:01.740 But a lot of people probably look at that and say, well, that's when there was real freedom
00:24:06.800 of the Internet, right?
00:24:07.940 Because, you know, everyone wasn't plugged in and there weren't all these censorship algorithms
00:24:12.420 and that kind of thing.
00:24:13.800 And there's some truth to that.
00:24:15.580 It's a Wild West scenario to some degree.
00:24:18.600 But also everyone wasn't online.
00:24:20.920 And so it was something that people were learning to do, like your parents figured out they could
00:24:26.960 check email, you know, that kind of thing was happening.
00:24:30.320 But there wasn't this constant presence of online.
00:24:33.340 And we can say a lot about the deleterious effects of that.
00:24:36.640 Obviously, it's probably not healthy for people in very large ways that most people now live
00:24:41.940 a large amount of their life online.
00:24:44.300 However, what it did do was give very large platforms to people who, like you said, never
00:24:49.980 would have gotten within, you know, arm's length of mainstream media.
00:24:55.760 And so, I mean, guys like you and me, I was teaching high school a year and a half ago,
00:25:01.520 you know, and in a much different world now, you know, talking to a lot more people than
00:25:07.120 I would ever would have been able to.
00:25:09.720 I never would have been able to enter into some kind of broadcast TV talk radio scenario.
00:25:15.000 And here I am.
00:25:16.160 Why?
00:25:16.460 Well, because I get good at typing things on Twitter.
00:25:18.400 You know, same thing, you know, with you, there's a lot of people who would not have
00:25:23.780 these platforms.
00:25:24.340 And of course, like you said, much larger people like Alex Jones.
00:25:27.620 And that really changes the way that things work, because when everyone went to the TV
00:25:33.420 box for their information, you still had to filter a lot of things through the mainstream
00:25:38.700 media.
00:25:39.000 The edgiest network was Fox News, which, you know, now seems like a joke today.
00:25:43.400 But but that really was the breakout.
00:25:45.480 And now there's there's an entire different world ecosystem, information ecosystem that
00:25:49.780 goes directly to people and bypasses pretty much everything.
00:25:53.220 And the fact that Elon kept that from being chopped off at the knees is a huge threat to
00:25:57.760 the regime.
00:25:58.360 And so it really is fascinating to see the way that they are panicking because, you know,
00:26:04.120 that same technology that they laid the groundwork to do things like, I don't know, the Arab
00:26:08.380 spring, you know, yes, they're using it to try to do color revolutions here.
00:26:12.680 But it also means that, you know, the same roads that got the Romans from city to city
00:26:18.000 also brought the barbarians at lightning speed.
00:26:22.980 A hundred percent.
00:26:24.560 I mean, the whole misinfo, disinfo panic is them recognizing that ideas actually do have
00:26:35.040 power and like they're actually right on the object level that if you can lie to a big
00:26:43.740 enough proportion of the American public, you can manipulate the democratic process in
00:26:50.720 unhealthy ways.
00:26:52.960 And and basically the only terms of the disagreement that we have with them is that they're the
00:26:58.400 ones who should be trusted to decide when that's happening.
00:27:00.780 Um, because that's, that's essentially like every, uh, sort of right wing or post right,
00:27:10.060 post, uh, conservative, uh, American who, who critiques democracy, they critique it on
00:27:16.280 that basis that you can just sort of snow people, uh, lie to them.
00:27:20.560 And, uh, and I mean, that, that, that's when, when Tucker, uh, talks about the, uh, the,
00:27:27.480 the 2020 election being stolen, he talks a lot less about stuffing ballots and he talks
00:27:33.980 a lot more about the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop and the, the alteration of the
00:27:40.300 terms by which people vote.
00:27:42.400 And, uh, so it's, it's not, uh, it's not necessarily that it was, that it was stolen by,
00:27:48.280 uh, by, uh, flatly illegal means.
00:27:52.180 And it was more, uh, stolen by the connivance of the media in terms of lying about what was
00:27:57.320 happening, uh, which led people to make, uh, sort of a decision that he regards as suboptimal
00:28:03.780 and, and, and, and, um, democratic and leftist commentators will push back on that with him.
00:28:09.700 And they'll be like, wait, wait, wait, wait, nobody stole it.
00:28:13.440 It's just, you know, that's just an all in the game.
00:28:16.060 People can like, you know, concoct narratives and these narratives, and that's how democracy
00:28:19.960 works and, and, uh, it seems like both sides are taking both sides of that issue, if that
00:28:27.280 makes sense.
00:28:27.800 Like, uh, both, both right-wing and left-wing commentators are, are sort of giving up the
00:28:37.140 game that democracy's kind of fake, even when it works, because it's really just a function
00:28:42.600 of sort of who's got the megaphone and how, uh, how much latitude they have to lie.
00:28:50.640 Yeah.
00:28:51.180 You really see the level of panic set in when the left realized that they, they may not
00:28:55.240 have the entire thing locked down or, you know, they, it might not be just their kind
00:29:00.060 of conservative half allies that are, that, that are going to keep the system afloat forever
00:29:04.680 that are going to have access to that.
00:29:06.660 Once there are people who are actually looking to change things, uh, it got real weird, real
00:29:11.680 fast.
00:29:12.360 Uh, there, there's just a, uh, article.
00:29:14.400 I'm probably going to review it next week that came out from Politico, but talking about how
00:29:18.180 J.D. Vance wants to make the right even more radical.
00:29:21.020 J.D. Vance is the next, is the next, uh, vanguard of, of the radical right.
00:29:25.400 He's, he's far more dangerous than Trump.
00:29:27.240 And in some ways they're right because, well, I mean, you know, maybe not on a personal
00:29:32.700 level, but Vance and, and many of the people connected now on the right are, are really
00:29:38.780 looking at systems.
00:29:40.760 Oh, okay.
00:29:41.180 It's not just about winning an election and saying, I have a better policy position than
00:29:45.500 this guy.
00:29:46.100 They understand that they need to control bureaucracies, that they need to control media
00:29:49.760 outlets, that they need to spend narratives.
00:29:51.740 They understand that the entire machine is up for grabs and needs to be controlled.
00:29:57.300 Not simply the, the formal articles listed in the constitution.
00:30:01.500 And while they're still not very terrifying people in the vision that they're looking
00:30:06.160 for, for, for, uh, you know, the United States from a left-wing perspective, simply the fact
00:30:11.180 that they understand that there's a real game, like that they actually can see some, some of
00:30:17.160 the real levers of power behind the screen rather than simply grasping at the artificial kind
00:30:22.820 of civics less in power, that is enough to scarify, to scare the left, to terrify the
00:30:27.560 left, because if they actually start moving a few of those things and they realize that
00:30:31.820 you can actually make significant changes this way, that's a very different game.
00:30:35.960 The left has relied on the fact that no conservative administration actually has a hope of touching
00:30:40.900 power.
00:30:41.340 Like they're, they're at the best, you know, going to slow things down and probably in many
00:30:45.480 ways, just continue the speed or accelerate it in certain areas.
00:30:48.840 They're not used to the idea that people would actually go.
00:30:52.820 Hold anything of the machine accountable and be able to change things once they move into
00:30:57.820 the office.
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00:31:15.600 Yeah.
00:31:16.280 Yeah.
00:31:16.580 Uh, that essentially exactly what is happening is voting is becoming real and they are trying
00:31:21.160 trying to make it illegal.
00:31:22.620 That's like, we are, we are, it's, it's a, it's a prophecy being fulfilled before your
00:31:27.040 eyes.
00:31:28.040 Um, and, and project 2025 is really interesting from that perspective because at least ostensibly,
00:31:34.020 it's like, it's conservatives getting together and being like, Hey, you know, what if we stopped
00:31:39.600 pretending that, uh, that the system works the way that you like learned it did in seventh
00:31:44.840 grade?
00:31:45.300 And, and, and what if we actually tried to, uh, to manipulate some procedural outcomes?
00:31:50.780 And, uh, you know, of course this is like bog standard.
00:31:54.700 I mean, it's just, that's just the way that the Democrats do business, but the thought that
00:32:01.420 someone adversarial to them might, might attempt any of that, it's, they're, they're, they're
00:32:07.980 revealing the extent to which they're, uh, here's, here's what it is.
00:32:14.620 The, the, the right wing is becoming cynical and, and, and the left wing is, is like feigning
00:32:21.460 shock over how cynical they've become.
00:32:23.340 But, but in the process, like they can't pretend that they haven't been doing this for decades.
00:32:27.680 And so it's, it's, it's, you know, one side is sort of talking about how shocked they are
00:32:33.680 about what's happening to democracy.
00:32:36.180 Uh, but neither side believes in democracy, uh, except in the sense in which, now I know
00:32:45.200 people have said like, you know, when, when they say democracy, what they mean is sort of
00:32:48.340 the, the consensus making institutions.
00:32:51.700 Um, but I think there's a deeper sense in which what, what they think of when they think
00:32:57.640 of democracy, it, uh, at least the, the sort of vanguard, the, the, the really ideological,
00:33:03.700 uh, wing of, of the DNC, they are thinking of this sort of, uh, individualistic, egalitarian,
00:33:13.520 uh, like democracy in, in the sense of like what a Soviet was supposed to be, where, uh, uh,
00:33:22.640 everything is subject to the democratic process.
00:33:25.160 Everything is subject to, uh, uh, committee and, and, and collective decision-making.
00:33:32.960 And I mean, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm sort of, uh, I'm sort of, uh, talking around the long
00:33:37.580 house here, but, uh, but that's what they think of when they think of democracy.
00:33:42.200 So let me ask you this before we move on, because I, I'm always interested in people's
00:33:46.360 take on this.
00:33:46.880 I hear what you're saying.
00:33:49.060 They don't, some, many of them don't believe in it, especially on the left, but I don't,
00:33:54.080 it feels like on the right, a lot of people did like, so you're familiar, I'm sure with
00:33:58.400 my buddy bog beef of the good old boys.
00:34:01.120 Right.
00:34:02.240 And, and he is a man who goes on the internet with a, uh, Randy Savage, uh, you know, eight
00:34:09.860 bit, uh, moniker is, his name is bog beef.
00:34:12.900 He has a, speaks in an incredibly, uh, thick Southern accent.
00:34:16.880 And he explains to people, uh, that the square peg goes in the square hole for a living.
00:34:24.700 That's, that's his entire, like in a very comedic fashion and entertaining fashion, his entire
00:34:30.160 brand is to explain that like politics is about doing stuff for people.
00:34:37.100 And if you promise people stuff and then you bring them stuff, they'll vote for you.
00:34:43.540 And that idea is just the most radical thing.
00:34:48.020 Like you could, you could, he could hold a seminar.
00:34:50.400 You could sit him down with the entire conservative commentariat and half of DC and just say like,
00:34:56.140 here is the square peg.
00:34:58.260 Here is the square.
00:34:59.680 Like, all right, you can leave your $5,000 on the table.
00:35:03.120 Make sure you pay on the way out.
00:35:04.880 Like he could charge for this.
00:35:06.460 Right.
00:35:06.660 Because I mean, it, it seems insane, but it, but when I have been in these, some of these
00:35:13.620 rooms and you really are explaining this to people, like that, that, that really is something
00:35:20.240 they have just never heard.
00:35:22.560 They're, they're like guys who work at think tanks are like turning the block around and
00:35:27.160 being like square, square peg.
00:35:30.200 Like it really is, it's an amazing thing to watch.
00:35:33.800 How did the right get here?
00:35:35.820 Like what, how, like there's, there's the repeating of a myth.
00:35:39.640 I get it.
00:35:40.140 Like I taught American civics.
00:35:41.880 I understand, but these are professional shape placers, you know, like this is what they
00:35:47.920 do for a living.
00:35:49.080 How is it that these people really did?
00:35:51.540 And I'm promising you, like a lot of them really like the idea of patrons just blows their
00:35:56.720 mind.
00:35:57.140 They can't wrap their head around it.
00:35:58.520 How did we get here for, for the right?
00:36:00.900 I understand the left is useful to them, but how does the right get here?
00:36:05.300 Well, I, I, I think you are confronting again, the, the sort of evaporation of some fictions.
00:36:16.780 Um, because I think, I think in prior eras, like America has been around a long time and
00:36:23.200 we've had at least the shape of this government for a minute and these problems are coming
00:36:30.240 to a head right now, uh, because of a lot of the phenomena that I've already discussed
00:36:36.680 on social media, like, like, uh, uh, we are much closer to direct democracy than we were
00:36:44.880 at any other period in, uh, in American history.
00:36:48.980 And, and when you, if you were a conservative politician in the 1950s or the 1830s or whatever,
00:36:56.800 um, you could, you could sort of guide the state paternalistically in directions that hurt
00:37:06.480 some of your voters, but that were good for the system as a whole, uh, you know, because
00:37:12.760 democracy was fake and there, there was tons of friction in the system that you could exploit
00:37:18.740 to, to maintain your power.
00:37:21.220 And that's actually not like a totally bad thing.
00:37:26.020 Like, like, you know, uh, the, the criticism of the electoral college or, or even just the
00:37:31.540 existence of the Senate on the left is always like, well, it's this impediment to democracy
00:37:36.880 and conservatives have to make this case and they can't quite, or most of them don't say
00:37:42.800 it quite like this, but like, yeah, that's the point.
00:37:45.340 We want an impediment to democracy.
00:37:47.180 We want the popular will to not be manifest, you know, directly.
00:37:51.620 And I think Republicans, uh, are like right in principle and in theory about like how you
00:38:04.340 ought to govern a state, right?
00:38:07.880 Like, uh, you shouldn't, you shouldn't spend more than you take in and like, you should care
00:38:13.700 about, uh, the, the, the reproduction of, of, of families and, and you should care about
00:38:20.160 rewarding good behavior and penalizing bad behavior.
00:38:25.420 Uh, and, and in a system where the democracy was like really pretty fake, uh, you could get
00:38:32.180 away with a lot of those policy positions and like doing what was right for the country.
00:38:35.600 But now, uh, there's no firewalls.
00:38:38.540 There's no, uh, there's nothing in the way of it just being pure Gibbs.
00:38:44.480 And so, uh, as, and this is like the state of the union going back to kind of tie a bow
00:38:52.340 on it, like it is effortless for a democratic president to deliver a state of the union,
00:39:01.460 no matter what's going on.
00:39:02.580 Cause he can always just say, like, honestly, there were, there were things he mentioned
00:39:07.500 where he was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna deploy this free shit to you.
00:39:12.300 Sorry.
00:39:13.160 Free stuff.
00:39:13.760 And, uh, and I was thinking like, oh, oh, that'd be good.
00:39:19.800 I'd like to have that free stuff, you know?
00:39:22.300 And it's, you know, as long as he can, as long as he can, uh, make, uh, 60% of the people
00:39:30.440 like wealthier in an immediate sense at the expense of like, you know, 25% of the people
00:39:38.240 or whatever it is, uh, in a way that of course, long run damages the whole system and impoverishes
00:39:42.360 everybody, but like in this instant, immediate sense, he'll win it's, and he doesn't have
00:39:48.480 to talk about the national debt.
00:39:49.780 He doesn't have to talk about social security.
00:39:51.320 He doesn't have to talk about like the trajectory at all, because that's not what he's rewarded
00:39:58.760 for doing.
00:40:00.680 And so basically, basically it's just, it's just the, the, and, and the, the division between
00:40:06.000 democratic and Republican politics is absolutely this, the democratic party, they don't have
00:40:11.960 a coherent ideology.
00:40:15.060 It's just the, the, the, the institution in power that has been shaped by the incentives
00:40:23.960 that operate upon it.
00:40:27.020 And the Republican party is this sort of reserve of ideas that are actually in principle, good
00:40:33.620 ideas, but that don't sell.
00:40:34.920 And, and so like that, it creates this useful, uh, this useful fiction of, of, of tension in
00:40:43.680 the system when really the DNC is the apex predator.
00:40:47.400 It's, it's, it's, it is purpose built and designed to thrive in, under our political conditions.
00:40:54.140 And so, uh, yeah, I mean the Republican party are essentially Indian agents like their job
00:40:59.200 is to maintain the, the fiction of regular, predictable, legal relations between the American
00:41:09.840 KULAC and the U S government.
00:41:12.380 Uh, because what the Indian agent would do is he would go there and he would say, yeah,
00:41:16.860 we're going to take a little bit more of your stuff, but, uh, you'd better be glad I'm around.
00:41:21.400 Cause if I wasn't around to be way worse, it'd be way worse.
00:41:25.080 And, uh, and, and you're lucky we have these regular relations and you'd better obey the
00:41:29.300 law, uh, because if not the expropriation will happen faster.
00:41:34.700 And that's, that's, I, I can't think of a sense in which that does not describe the modern
00:41:40.760 Republican party.
00:41:42.440 Yeah.
00:41:42.540 I mean, as Nick Land pointed out in the dark enlightenment, this is a democracy problem,
00:41:47.820 right?
00:41:48.260 The things that sell in democracy are what the Democrats do and the things that don't
00:41:52.560 work in democracy are what the Republicans do.
00:41:55.480 And the only reason that the Republicans exist is because you do need to have the dialectic
00:42:01.020 before you can expropriate everything.
00:42:03.580 If, unless you want to, you know, we're getting better at democracy.
00:42:07.860 Absolutely.
00:42:08.940 So in, obviously we've talked about the, you know, the impending financial collapse, uh,
00:42:15.720 the, the, the reason that the Democrats need to go ahead and serve their clients and not
00:42:19.720 the citizens, the methods by which they're going to seek to expropriate.
00:42:24.080 Now in your article, you do talk about some solutions.
00:42:27.180 You do talk about some ways that people can guard against this.
00:42:30.620 That's actually the purpose.
00:42:31.640 You have an organization called exit.
00:42:33.080 You guys get people in positions where they're harder to cancel, harder to liquidate, harder
00:42:38.280 to take advantage of.
00:42:39.500 Could you give us a few, a few strategies here, a few solutions for the, the, the possible
00:42:45.540 attempts at expropriation that we're probably going to face from somebody, uh, in the Biden
00:42:49.920 administration?
00:42:52.620 Yeah.
00:42:53.180 So, okay.
00:42:53.520 I think, I think it's worth addressing the fact that, uh, this, this egregore that we're
00:43:00.500 up against this, this sort of blob, uh, has strengths and it has weaknesses.
00:43:04.940 And one of its weaknesses is like, we talk about how, how, you know, uh, uh, DNC is not
00:43:15.820 concerned about the deficit.
00:43:16.820 They're not concerned about social security.
00:43:18.380 They're very like short run win elections.
00:43:20.700 Right.
00:43:22.020 And that is actually a, a weakness, uh, that we can exploit because if you are not, um, it
00:43:31.840 doesn't have the ability to strategize.
00:43:33.260 It doesn't have the ability to, um, to snip you out if you are not sort of directly in
00:43:40.620 the line of it's like coercive machinery.
00:43:44.000 So, uh, do you have free speech in America?
00:43:47.700 In some sense, you have more, uh, freedom of speech than you've ever had in terms, in
00:43:51.740 a, in a practical sense, right?
00:43:53.980 Like we were saying, our reach, you know, uh, as, as ordinary schlubs.
00:43:58.920 Uh, and because that's become dangerous, there's a lot more limits on your speech in terms of,
00:44:05.160 uh, but, but, but here are the methods it's, it's HR.
00:44:08.480 They can, they can get you fired from your job.
00:44:11.080 They can, uh, you know, convince your wife.
00:44:14.840 She's not going to have any friends.
00:44:15.980 If you keep running your mouth on the internet, um, or then come after your kids.
00:44:19.400 And if, if those three things are rock solid, like if you, if you make your own money, then
00:44:26.880 you in a meaningful sense have more free speech than you've ever had, uh, in the history of
00:44:31.280 this country.
00:44:32.660 Um, if you, uh, if you're, if you're making your own money and you're, and you're mobile,
00:44:39.000 then you have leverage over whatever jurisdiction you're in, right?
00:44:43.540 Like, like the fact that, uh, you know, Elon, uh, didn't expect the state of Delaware to
00:44:51.540 like burn down.
00:44:53.200 So, so, so the state of Delaware's whole export is just corporate law.
00:44:57.060 Like that's all that happens in Delaware is you just incorporate your, uh, your, uh, your
00:45:03.100 business in Delaware and they offer this promise of like minimal taxes, minimal regulation.
00:45:08.340 It's very smooth.
00:45:09.420 And, uh, and that's why everybody incorporates there and Elon, I think not, not totally unreasonably
00:45:15.880 thought like, well, surely they won't, uh, just light their political capital on fire
00:45:23.060 to come after me.
00:45:25.080 Um, but of course they did to the tune of like, what, $56 billion, some outrageous amount of
00:45:31.100 money.
00:45:31.260 And then he moved to Texas.
00:45:32.780 Um, and so there's, there's, uh, there's jurisdictional arbitrage.
00:45:36.620 That's, uh, I mean, I'm, I'm currently actually in, uh,
00:45:39.420 the great state of Texas because I'm, uh, I'm relocating there, uh, for this reason,
00:45:44.400 uh, to, to, to get to a friendlier jurisdiction and friendlier people, people.
00:45:48.880 I think that's a huge piece of it.
00:45:50.940 Um, there's, uh, also just like social capital.
00:45:56.440 Like I, I was having a conversation with, uh, with a friend about like, you know, if you
00:46:04.080 were, if you were like 60 and, uh, you needed your wealth to last through whatever this calamity
00:46:12.440 is, right.
00:46:13.140 You're not, you don't, you don't, you're not, you're not a young guy making high risk moves.
00:46:16.680 Like you'd have to just make it through.
00:46:18.220 Would you rather be, uh, would you rather have like rich and smart kids and good and good,
00:46:26.340 like, uh, social connections?
00:46:27.760 Or would you rather have like a 401k and a bunch of dollars?
00:46:32.180 And I think, I think it's people.
00:46:34.220 I think people are what's going to survive this thing, especially as the system expels
00:46:41.360 competence, right?
00:46:43.120 Like it's people who can't, it's people who won't lie and who, and who want to accomplish
00:46:52.500 things.
00:46:53.640 Like Elon is not a, uh, a, uh, an ideal law.
00:46:57.760 Elon is basically like a nineties tech libertarian guy.
00:47:02.760 He doesn't care about like who's gay or like race.
00:47:07.320 He's just like, they won't let me go.
00:47:09.820 They won't let me go to Mars.
00:47:11.360 They won't let me build.
00:47:12.660 They won't let me do anything.
00:47:15.160 And that's who the system is radicalizing and expelling.
00:47:17.880 And so exit for me is like, I want to scoop up as many of those people as I can get them
00:47:23.480 in a room, get them building things on the outside so that when, uh, you know, when the
00:47:30.600 system collapses, number one, the things I care about are, are out of the blast radius.
00:47:35.280 Right.
00:47:35.880 But also so that kind of in the aftermath, we're not like looking around, like, like, how do
00:47:42.140 we get started?
00:47:42.820 What do we do?
00:47:43.340 What do we build?
00:47:43.820 I want people who have that experience of building and, and who are already like kitted
00:47:48.420 out to, to build for what's next?
00:47:54.320 Yeah, absolutely.
00:47:55.120 I agree with you that the, the competency, the, the human capital is going to be increasingly
00:48:01.060 valuable.
00:48:02.240 And a lot of these signifiers like dollars and things that are just highly open to manipulation
00:48:07.760 have been completely diluted in quality.
00:48:10.660 That's going to be the stuff that's, that's not useful.
00:48:12.740 And so putting your, your time and investment and, and making sure that that's what you're surrounding
00:48:17.520 yourself with, I think it is far better than have it, having these loose material, uh,
00:48:22.740 things that are, are the regime can completely lock you out of or devalue at a moment's notice.
00:48:27.380 I think, I think that's great advice.
00:48:29.380 All right, guys, well, we're going to move over to the questions of the people, but before
00:48:32.540 we do, Kevin, can you go ahead and tell people where to find your work, uh, exit, all of this
00:48:37.480 stuff?
00:48:39.560 Yeah.
00:48:39.960 So exit group.us is, is the site for, uh, for what we do.
00:48:43.780 We have, uh, we have accountability groups, working groups.
00:48:47.840 We get together and meetups.
00:48:48.960 Uh, it's all about helping guys launch businesses and, uh, and get their families more squared
00:48:53.120 away and more independent.
00:48:54.620 Um, I'm also on Twitter, extra dead JCB.
00:48:57.920 Um, and the, the, the sub stack is a blog.exitgroup.us.
00:49:02.040 So you can sign up there.
00:49:03.960 Excellent.
00:49:04.440 All right, guys, make sure that you're checking out all of his work.
00:49:07.900 All right.
00:49:08.200 Creeper weirdo says, why do commies hate farmers so much?
00:49:11.980 It's ideological or something that I'm missing.
00:49:14.740 It's just, uh, it's not just here.
00:49:17.500 It's literally in every country.
00:49:18.900 Yeah.
00:49:19.240 Very interestingly, uh, you know, someone, one of my blaze colleagues today was like, I
00:49:23.500 was just looking this up and I realized that, that the average Kulak had like eight acres
00:49:27.740 and I don't think I could afford eight acres right now.
00:49:30.840 Like, so we're not even in the position of the, of the Kulaks at this point, but yeah.
00:49:34.900 Why, why do they hate, uh, always hate the Kulaks?
00:49:37.620 Um, well, I think farming, uh, and it's not the only thing that's like this farming is
00:49:48.640 kind of between you and God.
00:49:52.040 Like, uh, and I, I don't mean, well, it's not just that, but it, you are, you are very
00:49:58.880 close to the fruit of what you produce.
00:50:02.300 Like you, you, uh, there's not a lot of intermediaries.
00:50:07.440 There's not a lot of, uh, other things going on.
00:50:11.340 It's, it's really just you, you work, you produce, and that creates a sense of like ownership
00:50:16.160 and sovereignty and it's yours.
00:50:18.400 And what they really oppose is that they oppose ownership and sovereignty, uh, because they
00:50:27.260 regard it as, they regard it as inegalitarian, uh, which it is.
00:50:34.380 Yeah.
00:50:34.840 It's interesting.
00:50:35.660 The Oswald Spangler talks about people going back to the land at the end of a, at the end
00:50:41.400 of a civilization.
00:50:42.040 Like once you get to the winter and before something new is born, people kind of go back
00:50:46.260 to the land because it's the only thing that, that seems true and real and reconnects you
00:50:50.120 to perhaps the spiritual in a way that, uh, you, you've, you've been away from for so
00:50:55.780 long and it's interesting that there, there is this truth that the more civilized we become,
00:51:01.320 the more abstract our existence becomes and more dependent is on artificial systems.
00:51:06.720 The more people seem to despise those that are still in connection with those things.
00:51:12.300 And so it's almost like they, they look at that and they, they need to spit on it.
00:51:16.640 They need, because there's that ugly reflection of like, uh, there's a, there's a story today
00:51:21.140 about, uh, you know, some, some British paper warning that like, uh, pictures of the British
00:51:26.080 landscape could, could stir dangerous, dark, uh, nationalistic feelings.
00:51:31.880 And it really, it really does feel like there is just like what, Oh, if people could see
00:51:36.020 outside the casino, like if the, if the windows aren't blacked out all the time, they might
00:51:41.140 realize that they don't want to just sit in front of the machine and pull the lever until
00:51:44.180 they die.
00:51:44.780 And so we got to black out all the windows, you know, and that, I think that really is
00:51:49.160 as part of the hatred is like, those guys go outside and I would almost, I, I, I actually
00:51:56.580 to, to, to, to scramble the categories a little bit though.
00:51:59.920 I actually think that that is part of why, um, why a lot of the tech bros are on our side
00:52:07.760 these days and why they hate the tech bros.
00:52:09.640 Because it's like, just me and my laptop baby.
00:52:14.300 And we, uh, you know, I made this, I made this, you know, and, uh, and, and you, you can't
00:52:23.960 credibly like, if you're a factory worker, you're totally integrated to a managerial system.
00:52:29.640 Your, your product is not really your product, but if you can make a billion dollars with literally
00:52:36.460 just a laptop, you, you have this psychological, uh, sense of like, I don't know, deserve, I
00:52:45.460 don't know if that's the right word, but like, it is yours.
00:52:48.580 And, uh, and, and yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, but it's, but it's the sort of intellectual
00:52:55.020 equivalent to that.
00:52:56.000 And yeah, you're, you're, uh, you're, uh, you're able to leave the country.
00:53:00.900 You're able to store assets, uh, outside their jurisdiction.
00:53:04.960 You're just not under their control.
00:53:06.440 And that's what they hate.
00:53:07.820 No, no long house for you.
00:53:09.400 That's, that's the real problem.
00:53:11.080 Uh, Arthur T says, uh, should we prepare for a Weimar American Republic in the next 10 to
00:53:16.840 15 years, hyperinflation and all the horrors that entail it?
00:53:20.020 I think that timeline is way too optimistic.
00:53:23.000 Um, you know, we, we get these stories about how it's already, uh, you know, you need 80%
00:53:29.640 or, or, or more money from just four years ago to buy a home.
00:53:33.840 Uh, guys, I, you know, if you already have, uh, all the, all the horrors when it comes to,
00:53:40.260 you know, sexualization and children and everything, I don't think you're as far, far away from that
00:53:45.380 timeline as you might think.
00:53:46.480 Um, yeah, I mean, I, I can't imagine it taking 15 years.
00:53:53.560 Uh, you know, like I say within, within 11 years, it's the complete consumption of, of
00:53:59.060 the entire American economy essentially.
00:54:01.420 Right.
00:54:02.080 And, uh, and yeah, there's no, there's no, no question.
00:54:06.440 Uh, but I actually, the, the, the picture that I have in my mind, first of all, uh, the
00:54:13.560 Germans on both sides, the left and the right were veterans of a pretty savage war.
00:54:20.460 And they had a lot more, um, I think we should account for the fact that America is very fat
00:54:27.760 and, uh, and, and very, uh, uh, uh, hormonally sick.
00:54:34.200 And the, the, the best analogy that I, well, well, what I think it's going to look more like
00:54:41.740 is the post-Soviet collapse because there's not a dramatic, um, there's not like these,
00:54:49.840 these, these very strident, very strong-willed competitor ideologies that are like, I know
00:54:55.580 the answer, I know what to do.
00:54:58.360 Nobody knows what to do.
00:54:59.800 And, and I think it's going to be much more just like gangsterism and corruption and theft
00:55:05.980 of sort of the commons.
00:55:07.820 That's what I envision.
00:55:09.480 Yeah.
00:55:09.960 When, when those, when Soviet, uh, managerialism collapsed, you had other competing forms of
00:55:15.900 managerialism that were still on the rise that still had a lot of life left in them.
00:55:21.260 This feels like the complete end of a system, not, not just a flavor of systems.
00:55:26.740 Yeah.
00:55:27.240 And that's of course, uh, you know, that's, it's an entire own episode, but I think so
00:55:32.700 much of people's confusion about where we're at is, uh, it's, you know, Soviets versus, uh,
00:55:38.800 you know, liberal democracy versus fascists.
00:55:41.120 It's like, no guys, this is all just flavors of a, of the same system.
00:55:44.400 And the reason you can't imagine anything out of it is it's literally the only things that
00:55:48.440 existed, uh, for, for over a hundred years, a creeper weirdo says, uh, question everything
00:55:54.700 and you'll only be right 20 to 50% of the time when you're right.
00:55:58.360 Yeah, exactly.
00:55:59.180 This is the, I've, I've said this before.
00:56:00.600 This is the Alex Jones, uh, gambit, right?
00:56:03.060 Like is that right about everything?
00:56:05.440 No, absolutely not.
00:56:06.560 In fact, he says many insane things, but he assumes that the people he's arguing against
00:56:11.280 are completely evil and he's right about that.
00:56:14.300 And so like, he just questions literally everything.
00:56:17.140 And so, yeah, like he says some crazy things, but he also just happens to be right a lot
00:56:21.880 of the time because the people he's criticizing are really truly evil.
00:56:25.280 And he really is just going to have a pretty decent batting average by just assuming that
00:56:30.740 they are like true, truly horrific and demonic.
00:56:34.340 Yeah.
00:56:34.880 I think, I think he also, uh, he discredits some of that questioning by, by how like crazy
00:56:41.540 his conclusions are.
00:56:42.580 I think the safest thing you can say about like Epstein is, and they, they, they, they,
00:56:50.300 they build this out on purpose because they know the facts.
00:56:53.800 And so if you come up with a really like crystalline theory of, of, of like what actually happened,
00:56:59.760 they know how to pick it apart because they know what the facts are.
00:57:02.840 The way that you, the way that you avoid that like pre caricature and that, that, uh, that
00:57:09.160 attack is just say, I don't know what happened, but I know they're lying.
00:57:12.580 I know they're lying.
00:57:13.560 They're obviously lying.
00:57:14.640 And that's, that's, uh, AJ's power is, is, uh, he just points out to you that they're,
00:57:21.800 they're full of crap and they totally are.
00:57:23.340 Um, yeah, I love that this, this system, you know, this, uh, practice of just calling out
00:57:28.100 the system, uh, constantly has shifted people like him and people like Dave Mustaine from
00:57:33.220 Megadeth who now sounds like the most reactionary prophet you've ever seen because he's just
00:57:38.260 doing the same thing.
00:57:39.440 He's just like, no, the system is horrible.
00:57:40.820 And these are the people in charge.
00:57:41.960 And so I will just attack them.
00:57:43.480 And now I sound like Thomas Carlyle.
00:57:45.680 Um, but all right, uh, King Pilled, uh, recent guest on the show.
00:57:50.920 Great having you on, man.
00:57:51.820 Thanks for coming by.
00:57:52.660 He says time to develop networks that generate right coded Gibbs in return for explicit fealty
00:57:57.880 in the short term and clear the terrain, uh, for us to flex our civilization building
00:58:03.020 muscles in the longterm.
00:58:04.240 And yeah, that, that's a lot of course of what Kevin's talking about.
00:58:07.860 We didn't get deep into this, but, uh, just to, to briefly touch on this topic is one of
00:58:13.660 the reasons that the right hasn't been able to do this is twofold.
00:58:17.340 One, they're not allowed to explicitly fight for anyone.
00:58:20.240 The left is allowed to explicitly fight for people and promise them stuff directly.
00:58:23.760 And the rights entire, uh, or at least the conservative rights, entire modus operandi has
00:58:29.560 been the exact opposite.
00:58:30.700 We're never allowed to fight for specific people and we're never allowed to promise them.
00:58:34.240 The other reason is, and many people have pointed this out to kind of counter what
00:58:39.260 bog beef has said, that it's a fair point.
00:58:41.400 The left can promise because they are the expropriate because their coalition is made
00:58:45.460 of people who can't produce.
00:58:47.400 And so they can punish the people who do produce because they're on the other side of the fence.
00:58:52.060 How does the right promise people and deliver when all the productive people are inside the
00:58:56.760 tent and you can't take anything from those that aren't producing anything?
00:59:00.000 Yeah, well, there was a whole discourse on this, uh, last couple of days about, about
00:59:06.240 why, uh, why and whether, uh, right-wing billionaires should support, uh, the arts.
00:59:14.460 And partly, I think you're right.
00:59:16.080 Like it's, it's, it's difficult to conceive of, well, like, is there a way to say right-toated
00:59:24.480 Gibbs that doesn't, isn't just the same thing as national socialism?
00:59:28.180 Like that, like the, the right-toated is national, the Gibbs is socialism.
00:59:32.440 And so like, uh, you know, that's something that's been essentially illegal across the entire
00:59:38.120 West since 1945.
00:59:40.920 You would have to, you would have to radically rethink what that looks like for that to be,
00:59:45.660 uh, sellable.
00:59:47.080 But also, yeah, I think, I think you've pointed out a really, uh, important point, which is
00:59:53.540 that, uh, well, okay, so here, here's what I think it is.
00:59:57.560 I think you have to restore, uh, healthy hierarchies.
01:00:05.480 I think, uh, if it's, if it's, if the person being taken from is a dupe and it's being, is
01:00:12.680 being punished, uh, then yeah, no competent person would go for that.
01:00:19.560 But if you can say like, you are, uh, you are this person's patron, you are their superior.
01:00:28.940 Um, and, and you can find a way to, you can find a way to restore, uh, people to positions
01:00:35.800 of superiority and inferiority without contempt and without resentment where they, they feel
01:00:41.340 themselves part of something.
01:00:42.400 One of the things that was so emotionally satisfying about the first Dune movie was the fact that
01:00:46.940 you had, uh, genuine love and loyalty and belonging between superiors and inferiors.
01:00:56.040 That was an incredibly like exotic emotional experience for most people.
01:01:01.120 And it was one of the things that made that movie emotionally resonant.
01:01:04.940 And I think that's kind of how you get back to that place if you can.
01:01:08.780 Um, yeah, you create that relationship of duty independence.
01:01:12.880 Again, you, you make it okay for people to acknowledge that you don't need to elevate
01:01:16.920 the dependent and you don't need to punish those, uh, who, who are naturally above in
01:01:22.840 the hierarchy.
01:01:23.440 You can, you can honor those below you through duty and you can, you know, uh, go ahead and,
01:01:29.100 and, and offer loyalty, uh, to those who you are dependent upon.
01:01:33.240 And that's something that is the most natural relationship and probably the most right-wing
01:01:38.100 of, of all formations.
01:01:39.480 If we're going to apply crude political structures to an ancient form of being.
01:01:45.900 It's love, it's love.
01:01:47.320 And, and it's, it's, it's an abstraction of all government is an abstraction of the family.
01:01:53.240 Uh, yeah, patria, patriotism, patronage, uh, it's, uh, it's all abstractions of, of the
01:02:02.380 relationships of, of, uh, of authority within a family.
01:02:05.520 And the more, more abstract they become, uh, the more challenging it is to hold them together,
01:02:12.500 but also the bigger they can scale.
01:02:14.700 And that's sort of where managerialism has, has come from.
01:02:17.560 I don't want to go off the rails.
01:02:18.360 I know we're short on time, but like it, it, the farther you get from that, the harder
01:02:23.780 it is to maintain the emotional resonance, but the easier it is to like scale, uh, in
01:02:28.540 size.
01:02:29.780 And what we've come up against is like the abstraction no longer holds together.
01:02:33.360 Like what the hell is an American at this point?
01:02:35.960 Uh, we have no, there's just nothing binding us together anymore.
01:02:40.540 And so we have to get back to a place where there are bonds of love and loyalty that will
01:02:47.660 get people to behave as if their interests were, uh, aligned when they, in fact, are not.
01:02:54.520 And on the, on the right currently, like the sort of tech, right, libertarian, right?
01:02:58.300 The econ, right.
01:02:59.540 It's like the only way that our incent, our interests can be aligned is if there's a rate
01:03:03.360 of return and we have to get away from that.
01:03:06.060 We have to find other ways to align our interests.
01:03:08.760 Lily Alexander.
01:03:10.540 Uh, uh, uh, Alexander Jean says thoughts on Edmund Burke and Alexis to torque the
01:03:15.820 Tocqueville.
01:03:16.380 Uh, well, of course Burke is, uh, the, the classic conservative, the many people look at
01:03:22.300 him as the first conservative.
01:03:23.520 He is a liberal, but, uh, makes a strong case for kind of that, uh, that classic English
01:03:30.800 type of conservatism.
01:03:32.840 Uh, I prefer other writers, but, but Burke makes some good points.
01:03:37.180 Uh, also, uh, de Tocqueville is interesting.
01:03:39.840 I think pretty much everyone just reads democracy in America if they read him at all.
01:03:44.000 Uh, and I know he wrote a lot more, uh, than that.
01:03:47.500 And to be honest, I have only read democracy in America and it was a long time ago.
01:03:51.540 So I don't know if I can give you a wider opinion on the Tocqueville there other than he has some
01:03:57.580 good insights in democracy in America.
01:03:59.280 Yeah, my only take on the Tocqueville is that, uh, the, the, the fact that all of the social
01:04:09.660 institutions that held America together that he thought were so powerful, uh, the, the collapse
01:04:16.760 of that, uh, in, in the wake of industrialization and the rise of feminism, basically that's women
01:04:23.580 and held all that together.
01:04:25.860 And, uh, and it was a really powerful thing about America.
01:04:29.080 And the only way you rebuild that is if you get women doing that again.
01:04:32.520 Yep.
01:04:33.180 That's exactly right.
01:04:35.120 Uh, yes.
01:04:36.300 Uh, another question.
01:04:37.340 How can we be sure that trans communism won't take over after the collapse?
01:04:41.120 Uh, well, because that's highly artificial, that that's something you have to understand,
01:04:46.020 man, is like that, that whole system can only exist because of the level of complex abstractions
01:04:52.700 holding it together.
01:04:53.860 And so if things collapse, like where do you get that surgery?
01:04:57.420 Like where do you get those drugs?
01:04:58.800 Like how do you, how do you make people clients of, uh, big pharma once the technology and,
01:05:04.860 and, uh, and economic system required for it to exist completely collapses the, the, you
01:05:10.920 know, collapses of something you should wish for.
01:05:14.080 But the reason that a lot of people see it as the way towards anything right wing is that
01:05:18.340 all of left wing is, uh, all left wing things are artificial.
01:05:22.140 The right wing things are those which are based on natural axioms, the things that have to
01:05:26.900 exist in nature.
01:05:28.320 All of these left wing things are things that are built on these highly complex abstractions
01:05:33.560 that we have created.
01:05:34.900 And once those are gone, there's just no way for them to continue in the same form.
01:05:38.420 I'm sure you've seen that, uh, that, that tweet where the guy was like, uh, all, uh, all
01:05:46.300 trans socialists need to be, uh, need to be armed for the revolution.
01:05:51.740 And like, it's, it's just like a mile of replies that are like, no, actually I'm a deeply mentally
01:05:57.960 ill and I would kill myself if I had access to a firearm.
01:06:00.800 Right.
01:06:03.340 Yeah.
01:06:03.820 They're, they're, they're, they're in no condition.
01:06:06.820 Zombie apocalypse, uh, for better or for worse burns away at the chaff quite quickly.
01:06:10.900 There's, there's, there's no, uh, there's no other way for that to go down.
01:06:15.040 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap.
01:06:17.080 And hopefully the chaff within a man, you know, it's, it's true.
01:06:20.020 Sorry.
01:06:20.520 No, no, absolutely.
01:06:21.840 All right.
01:06:22.080 We're, we're going to wrap it up, but, uh, Kevin, thanks.
01:06:24.160 It's always so great talking to you guys.
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