The Auron MacIntyre Show

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00:00:07.700 The GOP lost a critical election in the Virginia governor's race. Many people warned them, including a few people who happened to be on the stream with me today, about running a silly DEI candidate in place of, you know, a responsible person who could actually win a significant state.

00:00:24.480 Instead, the GOP attempted to run their diversity higher, lost quite convincingly, and then is now crying about the fact that their new governor, Spamburger, and I'm going to call her Spamburger because it got locked in my brain and she will forever be a lunch meat.

00:00:39.780 But the fact that she is now in power means that the state legislature is pushing through all kinds of radical bills, anti-white bills.

00:00:48.500 They are discriminating openly against white business owners. They are manipulating elections. 0.82

00:00:54.600 They are removing mandatory minimums on some of the most violent crimes you can imagine.

00:00:59.220 We're going to dive into all this with our guests today, Jay Burden and Bogby. Thank you so much for coming on, guys.

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00:02:39.960 All right, guys, so let's dive into this.

00:02:44.760 I am very, very, very tired of the GOP making exactly the same mistake and then whining about the consequences, and this is no different.

00:02:55.880 Everything about this situation was entirely predictable.

00:02:58.980 They were warned about what they were doing.

00:03:01.000 They pushed through anyway, and now that Spamburger is simply running rampant on Virginia, 0.65

00:03:06.960 they are crying about, oh, it's not fair, and how could the Democrats take all these actions,

00:03:12.040 and don't they care about the principles and the procedures and all this stuff?

00:03:16.540 But for people who are unfamiliar, Mr. Burden, you're a Virginia expert.

00:03:20.300 You're a local on the ground.

00:03:21.640 Can you give us a little bit of background?

00:03:23.940 How did she come to power? 0.78

00:03:25.680 What was the race?

00:03:26.620 Who was involved?

00:03:27.640 What are the dynamics?

00:03:29.240 And why did the GOP pick such a bad candidate?

00:03:31.220 Well, that's the operative word, right?

00:03:35.120 The GOP picked this candidate.

00:03:37.440 There was no primary.

00:03:38.920 So the previous Republican governor really shouldn't have won.

00:03:44.140 It was sort of a freak accident.

00:03:46.240 You may remember the Loudoun County scandal where there was a really horrific trans crime that was covered up in the school system for all of the reasons you might expect,

00:03:56.840 and this propelled Youngkin into office, right?

00:04:00.400 It took it from being a race that he was competitive but still losing to within the margin of error.

00:04:05.480 So he managed to get into office.

00:04:08.000 Winsome Merle Sears was his running mate, the former lieutenant governor of the state,

00:04:12.920 and he declared she would be the next candidate.

00:04:17.000 There was no primary.

00:04:18.540 So in addition to Winsome Merle Sears, shall we say, demographic qualifications, what else did she believe?

00:04:25.300 Well, she was anti-Trump.

00:04:26.200 She was anti, let's be honest, Confederate statues, which matters quite a lot in this state as well as many others in the South. 1.00

00:04:34.360 She was, all in all, a horrible candidate. 0.99

00:04:37.220 And the idea, and this is an idea you've seen from conservatives for a very long time,

00:04:41.160 is that the way that you diffuse Democrat left-wing identity politics is to try it yourself.

00:04:46.780 Well, we found our female immigrant fill-in-the-blank. 1.00

00:04:52.760 And did it work?

00:04:53.940 Obviously, no.

00:04:55.260 No, it did not.

00:04:56.400 Not even close.

00:04:57.420 This was a resounding defeat almost up and down the entire ticket.

00:05:00.940 I believe there were two counties in the entire state that shifted more Republican than they already were by a very scant margin.

00:05:07.720 This was a crushing defeat.

00:05:10.080 And this was predicted by myself, by Bogby's co-host Merrick, by many other figures as well.

00:05:15.880 And we see that instead of the moderate that she self-described as, our new governor is insanely radical.

00:05:23.860 She's pushing through incredibly radical policies on obviously the Second Amendment, but you've no doubt heard about that. 0.95

00:05:30.260 But also the trans issue, abortion, effectively just legalizing fraud, any number of kind of Democratic excesses all at once immediately. 0.75

00:05:40.760 Additionally, further down the ticket, Republicans suffered as well.

00:05:44.620 Obviously, the Democrats currently, I believe, have almost a full trifecta, right?

00:05:48.380 They control every part of government.

00:05:49.920 But also, they lost the AG race, where you may remember Jay Jones was sending texts fantasizing about killing his opponent's children.

00:05:57.880 And okay, fair enough, that was a closer race.

00:06:01.020 But still, the GOP got trounced, completely and totally demolished.

00:06:05.980 And people will look at this and say, oh, well, you know, don't you know, Virginia as a state elected, you know, on the state level, cast their votes for Democratic presidential candidates.

00:06:17.860 And sure, that's true.

00:06:19.160 There have been other states, namely Florida, who have been in similar situations and due to particularly good leadership, have been able to become solid red states.

00:06:29.280 But during his four years in power, Youngkid did nothing like that at all.

00:06:33.900 He did nothing to make the state redder, to make it more, to make it better ground, more fertile ground for his erstwhile political allies.

00:06:42.920 He effectively sat on his hands, picked a horrible candidate, and now I and many others are bearing the consequences of that.

00:06:51.720 Unfortunately, this is a classic conservative move we have seen done over and over and over again.

00:06:57.740 And yet again, we are bearing the consequences for GOP incompetence.

00:07:02.540 Yeah, before I go to Bogg, I just have to ask you, because I remember early on when Youngkin ended up winning, you know, there were basically two governors that Chris Ruffo seemed to be more or less grooming for the national stage.

00:07:17.280 Ron DeSantis and Glenn Youngkin.

00:07:18.740 I don't know if you remember this, but Ruffo was very early on heavily involved in pushing policy with Youngkin, you know, championing the, you know, gender diversity, you know, stuff and the, you know, DEI in schools and mainly the transgender issue.

00:07:34.380 And that was at the time was a very powerful issue.

00:07:37.200 Like that was something that was really animating parents.

00:07:39.500 It was really animating GOP voters.

00:07:41.480 You can understand why Youngkin was building a certain amount of momentum while not really being a particularly, you know, dynamic candidate, simply on the back of something like that.

00:07:51.260 And, you know, just nothing happened.

00:07:54.020 Like nothing went in there with that.

00:07:55.320 You can look at DeSantis and you can have quibbles with him going after Trump or, you know, different aspects of what he did.

00:08:04.780 But what you can't say is he wasn't an effective governor.

00:08:07.040 He was taking action.

00:08:08.260 He was making big changes.

00:08:09.500 And very importantly, something that Curtis Yarvin has pointed out repeatedly, you know, Florida went from being a purple state to a red state.

00:08:17.300 It went from a purple state going blue to a pretty, pretty staunchly red state.

00:08:22.700 And that shift occurred almost solely because, A, the level of immigration into the state due to COVID was decidedly right wing, but also because DeSantis made the effort to clean up the voter rolls.

00:08:35.840 You know, as, as, as, uh, Jarvin joked, I, I, you know, you could just say that DeSantis is the most charismatic and dynamic candidate in Florida history.

00:08:43.560 Or the other explanation is he actually cared about power and he took things that were going to win him and the party for their elections.

00:08:52.140 And he actually did them.

00:08:53.640 Why is someone like Yunkin who had theoretically kind of the same coaching from a operative, like Ru Rubio.

00:09:00.940 Why was something similar not done there?

00:09:04.180 Well, look, uh, I don't know of the band personally, so I can't tell you exactly what, but I can say what we see oftentimes with these sort of respectable establishment Republican types.

00:09:13.800 That quite simply winning is low status, right?

00:09:17.520 Unseating the Democrats is low status. 0.98

00:09:19.820 That's for icky, gross people that we don't like. 0.84

00:09:22.240 And if you, like he does, uh, seemingly desire an eternal career in Beltway politics, right? 0.92

00:09:28.000 He's gotten a very lucrative lobbying job now, uh, or a consulting job.

00:09:31.920 I can't remember, but let's be honest.

00:09:33.140 Does it matter?

00:09:34.020 Uh, that door will be closed to you.

00:09:35.960 If you become a man like Ron DeSantis, right?

00:09:39.740 Ron DeSantis is persona non grata in left-wing America, whereas Glenn Youngkin, I believe, was plus 12 when he left.

00:09:48.300 He's still very popular.

00:09:50.320 So look, this would have been a tough road to hoe no matter what, right? 1.00

00:09:54.340 Virginia, especially Northern Virginia, which is the population center, is obviously heavily tied up with government contracting and federal employees.

00:10:02.040 So, as you remember, there was a government shutdown at the time, which was cynically extended to just pass those elections.

00:10:08.300 And it seems to have worked, right?

00:10:10.460 People are obviously motivated to vote, but it seems as if you're entirely correct.

00:10:15.060 There was no real desire to entrench Virginia, to peel back the swamp, right?

00:10:21.800 To keep it from becoming a satellite of, you know, the DC megacity.

00:10:26.920 Uh, for whatever reason, that was simply not a priority.

00:10:29.820 And you were completely correct that he was handed a massive mandate on the trans issue and nothing happened.

00:10:35.960 And again, we see this repeat pattern over and over and over again.

00:10:40.860 And the consequences for losing, as we have seen, as we're about to see, are dire.

00:10:45.780 This isn't simply higher taxes, although we're getting that too.

00:10:49.760 It is incredibly punishing laws on things that people like UI and BOG like to do, right?

00:10:57.020 It's become, the Second Amendment has become much harder.

00:10:59.400 Being interested in motor vehicles is much, much harder.

00:11:01.740 And again, those things won't actually make the nation safer.

00:11:05.020 They won't make Virginia safer.

00:11:06.300 It's already a relatively safe state.

00:11:08.000 But as we see over and over and over again, the Democrats understand patronage.

00:11:12.380 They understand giving state money to their friends and punishing their enemies.

00:11:16.280 We'll get into the details later, obviously.

00:11:18.400 But quite simply, Republicans, by and large, do not understand power.

00:11:22.640 They do not understand politics.

00:11:24.520 DeSantis being a possible exception to that rule.

00:11:26.580 So, Bog, I've seen you say this several times, and it's right every time. 0.99

00:11:32.320 But, you know, you have Spanberger out there.

00:11:35.100 And obviously, I think people knew she was significantly left-wing. 0.99

00:11:38.820 But she presented herself as somewhat reasonable, you know, a relatively moderate candidate on certain issues.

00:11:47.000 And then the minute she got into power, it was just revolution, revolution, revolution. 0.78

00:11:51.300 I think you said something like, you know, run like a moderate and then govern like Mao.

00:11:56.080 Can you talk a little bit about why this is such an effective strategy for the Democrats?

00:12:00.840 And it just completely seems to elude Republicans entirely?

00:12:06.440 Yes.

00:12:07.200 So, you know, Spanberger, I think the one thing to – a lot of the energy, especially on the left during those elections,

00:12:16.700 was focused on Momdani as being a revolutionary candidate, not in terms of him becoming god emperor,

00:12:24.260 but laying out a path for future mayors and stuff.

00:12:29.920 Maybe.

00:12:30.660 We'll probably see some stuff like that in California and stuff.

00:12:32.940 But Spanberger is – well, now, there's certain things about her that make her particular.

00:12:42.020 Now, Abigail Spanberger is Columbia.

00:12:46.200 She was – we merely adopted government.

00:12:52.160 She was born in it.

00:12:53.440 She worshipped Moloch there in the swamp from – her father was a federal law enforcement agency.

00:13:03.240 This is all she ever wanted to be.

00:13:06.560 That's why – I mean, I'm sure to her, like, you know, if that thing desired of her to do for X or Y policy,

00:13:19.200 that would be fine by her.

00:13:20.880 That's not – the actual policy is not important.

00:13:23.820 But, yes, she does.

00:13:24.940 If you ask her, especially when she was running, she was like, I'm just a –

00:13:32.760 See, the thing about state politics is it's totally different than national politics.

00:13:38.300 Think about – we are all political, you know, obsessives here.

00:13:42.060 Even if you're listening to this, there's – you are on the 1% of how many people interest in politics.

00:13:50.580 How much time, how many interviews did you really get to see of her? 0.81

00:13:56.080 Now, with me, it's like 120 seconds probably total.

00:14:00.340 For most people, and you have to – this is really hard, but, you know, if you read polls and you read, like, interviews and stuff,

00:14:07.320 most people are not really connected to this stuff.

00:14:09.660 To them, they like the idea of state politics as just, oh, I don't know.

00:14:13.840 There's some corny person in a suit somewhere, and they take care of everything. 0.99

00:14:17.940 That works great.

00:14:19.140 It works great with state politics for the increasingly small amount of people who – but they still matter.

00:14:27.000 They still matter.

00:14:27.860 There's still a certain amount of people who just kind of – I don't know.

00:14:31.680 I like that guy.

00:14:32.440 They said something nice on TV.

00:14:34.160 I would have – I voted for them, whatever.

00:14:35.420 They still matter.

00:14:36.180 They matter a hell of a lot less there in D.C.

00:14:39.220 Because, obviously, if people don't know, D.C. in the 70s and the 80s was – I'm going to say it was the poorest city of the United States.

00:14:51.380 It should have been.

00:14:52.260 What did D.C. produce?

00:14:54.620 Nothing.

00:14:55.780 Of course.

00:14:57.480 It produces nothing.

00:15:00.840 What was the richest place?

00:15:02.100 It was Detroit making all the cars, et cetera.

00:15:06.180 Now, D.C. is the richest place in the United States.

00:15:10.280 It's no longer Silicon Valley.

00:15:12.200 It's nothing but Ferrari dealerships.

00:15:17.140 And, you know, Spanberger before – I don't know, in between jobs at CIA and all these kinds of cutouts and stuff,

00:15:29.020 was teaching English to Saudi princes there in Northern Virginia, which is, you know, this money, money, money, money.

00:15:39.240 And, you know, that's what it's all about.

00:15:41.400 But I would say, ultimately, we have a system for this.

00:15:46.520 It's called a primary.

00:15:47.840 Why don't we do this? 0.94

00:15:48.800 She was chosen because, hell, he – Youngkin thought, hey, this – I'm a white guy, black woman.

00:15:58.460 This will equal out my ticket or whatever. 0.88

00:16:00.480 This will be great.

00:16:02.400 This is – I don't want to get into deep waters here.

00:16:04.600 People have written about – there's a lot of elder statesmen, the GOP, who like choosing their – the Robin to their Batman to be someone who could never challenge them,

00:16:16.140 who just doesn't sit in their same stratosphere when it comes to that sort of thing.

00:16:21.420 And I think we see that with the unfortunate woman who ran against Abigail Spanberger.

00:16:29.260 You know, I guess to answer the – ask the question is to answer it.

00:16:33.220 But we'll go through the – we'll go through the process anyway because I think it's important to keep hitting this,

00:16:38.340 even if it's probably obvious to a lot of people who have heard us speak before.

00:16:43.020 But there's always new people joining.

00:16:44.620 I think it's critical.

00:16:45.460 Guys, why is it so hard to, like, I don't know, find a normal, reasonable white guy and run them as a Republican candidate?

00:16:53.840 What is – what is it about that, you know, that prospect that is so terrifying to the GOP?

00:17:01.200 I mean, literally every time we have ever tried the – and then we'll run our guy, and because he's black or Hispanic or whatever,

00:17:08.240 they'll all vote for us.

00:17:09.500 That has failed.

00:17:10.480 Like, it has a perfect track record of failure.

00:17:13.720 You know, I am sure that there are people who are qualified, and when they're around, that's fine.

00:17:18.780 But it's very clear that the GOP, while talking about identity politics and, oh, we don't do identity politics.

00:17:26.100 We oppose identity politics.

00:17:27.620 The very minute they think that they can appeal to minority, they're going to run a minority candidate, no matter how bad they are. 0.81

00:17:35.160 And the amazing thing is that not only do they run the minority candidate, they run the minority candidate even when they know they can't possibly pick up a significant amount of those votes.

00:17:46.040 Let's say you doubled – no, tripled the black vote for Republicans.

00:17:51.080 Would that get you anywhere near just picking up, I don't know, 3% more of the white vote in Virginia?

00:17:56.560 You know, would it really make significant inroads into the electoral math there by winning, you know, double the amount of that community you normally do?

00:18:07.120 I think, you know, Jay Bird was saying they won, like, what, 6%, 7% maybe on their best day?

00:18:13.540 I mean, that's insane.

00:18:15.240 That's such a comparatively small amount of people you're sacrificing the entire election to appeal to.

00:18:21.880 The only way you could convince yourself to do this is if you had bought into the religion of the left.

00:18:27.420 And it's just so clear that the conservatives, despite all their, oh, we don't see color, it's a colorblind meritocracy, we don't care about identity politics.

00:18:35.160 I mean, it's just an obvious lie.

00:18:37.280 They're just bad at identity politics.

00:18:38.980 They're just scared of playing identity politics for the one group that actually votes for them.

00:18:43.000 They're fine with identity politics.

00:18:44.620 It will invest in them at every turn, even when they fail.

00:18:47.180 That's how dedicated the Republican Party is to identity politics.

00:18:51.020 They will play the game and lose and be happy for the chance, brag about that they had the chance to play the game of identity politics instead of just finding someone who can actually get elected in any given state.

00:19:02.720 Well, and to that point, right, the consequences for failure are very clear.

00:19:10.240 We understand what happens when you lose, even to a reported moderate.

00:19:14.940 The power grabs made, you know, both in the kind of just quality of life for normal Virginians, but also to, you know, changes to the electoral process.

00:19:24.700 Massively increasing, you know, the amount of time for votes to come in after the election, allowing no voter ID online elections, allowing people to vouch on behalf and cast ballots for people who are disabled or not there.

00:19:40.640 And also, you know, barring the ability to check into, you know, a vote that's been cast electronically, like these are very serious power grabs.

00:19:49.040 They're changing the ways that elections are done.

00:19:51.180 We know why we've seen this run before.

00:19:53.460 So, you know, these sort of, you know, offerings to the state religion, right?

00:19:57.680 These sort of, you know, platitudes towards the gods of DEI.

00:20:00.880 Well, it's not just that you lose.

00:20:03.840 It's not just that you, you know, you reorganize, you pull yourself up by your bootstraps and, you know, get a new candidate next time.

00:20:10.980 It's like, no, you have dramatically made your job harder.

00:20:14.940 You do not get to be the same sort of political force you were.

00:20:18.440 You have taken real lasting damage, not only to your political chances as a Republican in the state, but also to the state itself, right?

00:20:27.680 These consequences are very real and the difference between even a kind of chamber of commerce Republican type and, you know, Mao in a blonde wig, that's dramatic, right?

00:20:38.720 We'll get into it.

00:20:39.720 But, you know, for instance, the changes to criminal justice, right?

00:20:43.340 The very serious crimes no longer will, assuming this passes, right, have mandatory minimums, decriminalizing burglary in a number of different instances.

00:20:52.860 These matter for normal, everyday people.

00:20:55.640 And so the consequences of that sort of, you know, obsequious behavior towards the political left is not just that you don't get to be in charge and maybe you get another crack at it four years down the line.

00:21:07.180 You are losing, really losing.

00:21:10.060 And Republicans in other states should remember that, you know, the consequences for, you know, being too deferential to the Trump administration, working alongside, you know, Border Patrol or anything like that.

00:21:23.400 Well, they have made that clear.

00:21:25.280 They want to send those people to jail. 0.99

00:21:27.620 Pete Hegseth might go to the Hague.

00:21:29.320 Again, might, who knows.

00:21:30.920 But again, the consequences for this sort of short-sighted, you know, ultimately futile virtue signaling to the political left is that you go to jail, to be perfectly blunt about it.

00:21:42.400 And so even if you're not, you know, an ideologue, even if you're not the sort of person that believes in the kind of eternal truths that the three of us do, most people don't want to go to jail.

00:21:52.960 Like maybe Lindsey Graham would have a fun time, but like for everyone else, that isn't a great use of your time.

00:21:57.900 So act accordingly, I guess.

00:22:00.980 Yeah, Bob, I feel like I am taking the crazy pills on this one because we'll get to all of the crazy stuff they passed, of course.

00:22:08.380 But Burden pointed out that one of the first things they're doing here is rigging elections, right?

00:22:12.920 They're making it, you know, you can just do it online.

00:22:15.660 Who needs any kind of actual identification?

00:22:20.540 I believe one of the laws passed is that any vote has to be counted by a machine.

00:22:24.660 You're not even allowed to review it by hand.

00:22:27.240 We know that we know that they are where we know that they are removing their cooperation with ICE, with the federal government when it comes to deportation.

00:22:36.520 So they're going to ensure that illegals are in the in in the state and therefore are going to be able to vote because you're basically removing all mechanisms by which you would prevent voter fraud.

00:22:48.640 I mean, it is very blatantly a situation where losing one election means losing all subsequent elections like that's where we're at at the moment.

00:22:56.580 And it's particularly frustrating because we've watched several Republicans in state legislatures say, no, we won't redistrict.

00:23:03.460 We refuse to force this.

00:23:04.820 We're seeing a Republican senator saying we refuse to pass the FACE Act.

00:23:09.780 We're all across the board.

00:23:11.280 Republicans are saying we will not clean up the voter rolls.

00:23:13.620 We will not force cleaner elections.

00:23:16.300 We will not do this.

00:23:18.200 And the Democrats get in power and they're like, oh, no, we'll absolutely do this.

00:23:21.560 We're going to radically redo the vote.

00:23:24.220 And look, all of us here are skeptical of democracy.

00:23:26.860 I don't think we need to go into the the problems with democracy.

00:23:29.760 But assuming for a moment that you're a democracy enjoyer, like how can you sit back and just say, oh, well, whenever they're in power, they can change all the rules for voting to ensure that we never get elected again.

00:23:41.800 And when we're a power, we have principles that say we can never touch this.

00:23:45.280 I mean, even if you are like the world's like most mainstream, you know, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Prager, talk radio conservative.

00:23:54.080 How can you look at this and not understand the absolute disaster you were already in the middle of watching?

00:24:02.340 Yes.

00:24:04.320 Locking states up.

00:24:06.360 So this is something that I think, you know, we saw here in Florida.

00:24:11.140 I've heard in Ohio, I don't know as much about Ohio, but we definitely seen, you know, a lot of these states took serious action.

00:24:20.440 If you look at what Florida's laws with ballots, they're very, very good.

00:24:26.740 And this is why, you know, if you're a Democrat, you're screwed if you're running in Florida from here on out because you can't cook up votes like this anymore.

00:24:38.240 I think everyone's looking around and a lot of state, a lot of any of these, of course, most states are out of reach.

00:24:45.360 Most states have whatever, too much, too much rural or too much urban to be in play.

00:24:51.660 But all your swing states right now are being locked up.

00:24:56.460 And I think, I think we're seeing that in Virginia.

00:24:59.420 We've obviously on our side, we saw that in Florida and Ohio.

00:25:02.640 Very, very, very important.

00:25:04.620 Very, very important.

00:25:05.560 This is going to be big.

00:25:06.480 Now, we've seen, okay, maybe we could.

00:25:09.840 And by the way, if you don't know, I mean, I don't want to get into it too deep.

00:25:13.020 I know you used to, you could ban and stuff.

00:25:14.780 But I mean, remember, I don't, the idea of democracy.

00:25:18.680 No, I don't like democracy.

00:25:19.800 However, you know, I'm not God emperor.

00:25:21.420 This is, this is the game that we're born.

00:25:24.140 This is the game we must play from here for right now.

00:25:27.020 This is the game.

00:25:28.260 So this is serious business.

00:25:30.100 This is, this is people's lives are on the line here, which obviously these Democrats understand.

00:25:36.480 That is the game.

00:25:38.020 Uh, so, I mean, look, if you don't have signature match, uh, I mean, if you know the names of people who live in, live in a nursing home, do the math.

00:25:49.900 Like, look, it's not, it's not difficult.

00:25:51.740 You can do it.

00:25:52.260 You can do anything.

00:25:53.160 That's just signature match.

00:25:54.760 How often does that even come up now?

00:25:57.200 We're doing like, you can vouch for people.

00:25:59.620 Look, it, look, it's, it's very, it's, this is very, very serious real quick on, on the whole DEI stuff like this. 0.99

00:26:07.180 What, what a lot of these Republicans don't understand is that Democrat votes are not based on like, we're, we, we're morons. 0.93

00:26:17.760 We are outside of, we are really outside of politics. 0.96

00:26:21.300 We want in, but we're outside of politics.

00:26:24.440 Democrats are not, uh, George Wallace, the most racist man who great governor of the state of Alabama.

00:26:34.120 One, uh, massive amounts.

00:26:36.780 Like, like he, he won like 90% of the black vote.

00:26:39.280 You know why?

00:26:40.100 Cause black votes are not based upon, uh, the, the, the, this, this ideal black vote or whatever, or in all these other minority votes.

00:26:49.340 They're not based on, uh, did you, did you see, did you watch meet the press?

00:26:53.840 You know, did you see the interview with you on policy discussions?

00:26:56.740 Yeah.

00:26:57.240 Yeah.

00:26:57.920 Yeah.

00:26:58.260 They will starve if they don't continue to get the checks from the government. 0.98

00:27:02.100 All these rich ass people in, in Northern Virginia, they live off of the government. 0.99

00:27:07.580 Whoever keeps the money coming in is going to get the vote. 0.98

00:27:11.760 They don't care what color they are.

00:27:13.800 We do. 0.97

00:27:15.140 And it, this is something that feels stupid to say, but like, yes, being like the black conservative guy, it is powerful in like TV and debates and stuff like that. 0.97

00:27:27.060 It's like, ah, did you see? 0.98

00:27:28.720 It's a gay guy, but he's against the Democrats.

00:27:31.220 That's, I know it sounds weird, but like, uh, these, there's a lot of TV does have a huge effect on Republican politics and it does have a big effect there.

00:27:40.760 Finally, on the point of collaboration, which is a big thing that we're talking about here.

00:27:47.020 I'm going to read, but this is, this is from a book written 50 years ago on the city of Chicago.

00:27:54.420 But this is just really, really stuck with me.

00:27:59.320 The rationale of collaboration.

00:28:02.680 Why do so many Republican ward committee men cooperate with the democratic machine in Chicago?

00:28:08.660 The answer to that probably lies in a variety of reasons.

00:28:11.680 In some cases, Republican committee men are professional politicians in politics for almost purely economic or political advantage.

00:28:18.400 They have little interest in the party, its philosophy, or its future prospects.

00:28:25.580 It is a way to make a living.

00:28:27.300 The work isn't too hard.

00:28:28.980 The demands are not great.

00:28:30.820 And collaborating with the Democrats is a form of social security.

00:28:34.960 Since the Democrats will probably be in the office for the foreseeable future.

00:28:38.900 For others, there is a pragmatic recognition of the facts of political life in their wards.

00:28:45.140 Without jobs, money, and workers, the best they can hope for is to make a legitimate effort and bring in as good a vote as they can.

00:28:54.500 This is the good part.

00:28:55.680 But they can get a smattering of patronage jobs from their own party, a medium-level job for themselves,

00:29:02.060 and an opportunity to hold a title in the Republican Party.

00:29:05.260 For mediocre men with limited goals in life, the payoff, small as it is, is sufficient.

00:29:13.780 Yeah, this is a situation where we have the minor nobles, right?

00:29:17.800 And the Democrats have the real royalty.

00:29:21.760 The guys who are running in the Democratic Party, they're the natural rulers.

00:29:25.780 They're the people who have the status.

00:29:27.220 They're the people who have the connections.

00:29:28.600 They're the ones who expect to profit, to rule, to have power, to wield it.

00:29:31.920 And the Republicans, well, they're just there to watch the chuds, right? 0.99

00:29:35.980 It's more of a managerial position.

00:29:37.820 You don't get to make a lot of decisions.

00:29:40.020 You're never going to really have power.

00:29:42.280 But you do get to have some status.

00:29:44.340 And you get to line your pockets from time to time.

00:29:46.780 And yeah, nowhere to the degree that the Democrats do.

00:29:49.400 But far more than you could expect, you know, running your car dealership back home if you're very lucky.

00:29:55.280 And so they obviously grab a hold of something like this.

00:29:58.380 And this means that ultimately what we're looking at long term is the fact that, you know, the national GOP and many conservative, you know, just the rank and file still think of this thing as Mr. Smith goes to Washington, right?

00:30:13.580 Like we get together, we debate politics.

00:30:16.140 Whoever makes the most convincing argument will win the votes.

00:30:19.400 And that will provide popular sovereignty to the winner.

00:30:22.920 In reality, the left is playing machine politics.

00:30:25.800 They are building political machines everywhere.

00:30:27.980 They are rigging the rules.

00:30:30.340 They're bribing people.

00:30:31.700 They are ensuring that there is a dedicated voting base in every scenario, whether they do it through voter fraud or open borders or open patronage and bribery.

00:30:41.440 They don't care.

00:30:42.640 They don't care why you vote for them.

00:30:44.300 They care that you vote for them.

00:30:45.840 You're not going to hear them making stories about how, well, no, we would never win this through, you know, some other means.

00:30:52.120 We would never deceive people.

00:30:53.440 No, it's not about principle.

00:30:54.860 It's about power.

00:30:55.740 And they secure it time after time after time.

00:30:58.620 The vote is a machine.

00:31:00.120 You will vote Democrat.

00:31:02.040 End of the story, right?

00:31:03.720 There is no debate.

00:31:04.920 You're in the right demographic.

00:31:06.560 You're a beneficiary of the machine.

00:31:08.480 You are going to work with the machine.

00:31:10.420 The Republicans have to win the vote every single time.

00:31:13.360 They have to fight for every single vote.

00:31:14.760 The Democrats just start with a large amount of votes already pre-planned for them, and they feel like they have to push a few over to get to the threshold.

00:31:23.740 And as long as that is the default way American politics works, the Republicans are going to lose because even when they win elections, they don't do anything with them.

00:31:32.840 They never secure power.

00:31:33.900 They never take any victories that make the next victory easier.

00:31:37.820 Instead, all they do is go around saying, well, I guess maybe, you know, we'll try to shrink some government, cut a tax or two.

00:31:46.900 That's it.

00:31:47.480 They're not willing to take any serious action as well.

00:31:50.080 As soon as Democrats win, we see this complete leftist revolution.

00:31:53.300 So let's get in to some of the bills that are now being passed.

00:31:57.100 We already mentioned that they are no longer complying with ICE.

00:32:02.040 They are no longer cooperating with ICE.

00:32:03.820 So that means that they are effectively now a sanctuary state, not just a city in Virginia, but the entire state is now effectively a sanctuary state, just like something like Minnesota.

00:32:14.000 They have also declared that they are no longer, like I said, allowing basically any way to check votes except electoral, except electronically, which definitely is not based entirely on the desire to commit fraud.

00:32:27.800 They can also you can vote online and all these other things.

00:32:30.360 You can have someone, you know, as your proxy or verify for you.

00:32:34.700 We have the removing of the three strikes law.

00:32:38.060 So basically, Virginia had a three strikes law eventually, and in that case, at least had to be like in the same field, like apparently with robbery, you needed to get like three robberies before escalated into something larger.

00:32:49.880 Now they've removed that entirely, which is effectively removing criminality from large amounts of robbery.

00:32:55.680 You also have a removal of mandatory minimums for things like rape, child pornography, all kinds of manslaughter, all kinds of assaulting a police officer.

00:33:08.060 Yes, sir.

00:33:09.640 Wait, additionally, they have made it illegal to mention prior criminal history in court.

00:33:16.980 So for instance, if you if you wanted to say not only has this person done this, but we can't tell you the fact that this is his 14th such conviction.

00:33:26.580 That's just another kind of ancillary detail.

00:33:29.180 Yes, that was my next.

00:33:29.980 I was going to say you can no longer mention repeat felonies.

00:33:32.600 There's no longer additional penalties for repeat felonies.

00:33:35.740 So your criminal your criminal history no longer matters when it comes to sentencing.

00:33:39.660 You know, that basic thing that was like the, you know, like the building block of all jurisprudence in the United States now just out the window.

00:33:48.040 Oh, and finally, as you say, they are literally just instituting the the Somali fraud scheme like directly. 0.93

00:33:55.480 They're just reinstituting it.

00:33:57.300 They're creating the exact same child care programs with the exact same incentive structures.

00:34:01.240 And finally, the coup de grace on top of all of this, the one that's got everybody up in arms today with a lot of people.

00:34:08.240 Yeah, I saw Meghan McCain saying, how could this be legal?

00:34:11.160 And I just tried not to scream into the void for a good hour.

00:34:15.040 You know, but but they they have now announced that their business, their state contracts will not be awarded to white guys under one hundred thousand dollars.

00:34:25.000 So if there's any kind of payment under one hundred thousand dollars, white people don't even bother, man. 0.65

00:34:29.920 You cannot you. 0.70

00:34:31.020 This is South Africa.

00:34:32.340 It's over. 0.97

00:34:33.480 White people can't can't can't make this money. 0.99

00:34:35.420 And if it's over one hundred thousand dollars, you must give preference to a woman or minority as long as that difference is is no more than five percent. 0.95

00:34:46.340 So we're going to pay a five percent premium to women and people of color over white people just because they're women and people of color. 0.99

00:34:55.520 You can have the lower bid as a white man, but you you have to outbid them by more than five percent, because if it's within that five percent margin, they still get preference. 0.60

00:35:04.800 So explicit, open, racial preference, completely eliminating white guys for anything under one hundred thousand dollars and is disadvantaging them for everything else.

00:35:14.380 And guess what?

00:35:15.440 They passed this knowing Army Dillon sitting there threatening civil rights lawsuits.

00:35:20.460 So clearly they don't think the Civil Rights Act is going to do anything about this.

00:35:24.740 I know that'll spin all of us up on this one.

00:35:26.520 But, you know, whoever would like to take that that incredible slate of legislation first, feel free to go ahead.

00:35:32.640 Well, I'm torn because I love manslaughter and crime.

00:35:40.000 You know, this is it's it's funny, but I mean, you you have you have look, this is serious business.

00:35:47.900 I think of the pastor there in Minneapolis who I'm telling you what Don Lemon was doing was applying pressure and they wanted him to freak out.

00:35:58.920 He wanted him to swing on him so bad.

00:36:01.780 He was all over that pastor.

00:36:03.520 He was on top of it.

00:36:04.500 I mean, hey, hey, hey, don't push me, man.

00:36:06.480 And hey, I'm just here to work.

00:36:08.200 We're just here to worship.

00:36:09.520 Hey, well, but what's going on?

00:36:10.740 What do you think about this?

00:36:11.880 And look that you must have ice cold veins once you step in this arena, because these people are this is serious, man.

00:36:20.300 This is this is war.

00:36:21.240 These people are are you can look you can look look at what they've done here.

00:36:25.980 It is it's on.

00:36:29.200 Well, let's let's talk about this.

00:36:31.280 The the the contracting thing.

00:36:33.700 Now, harm me.

00:36:34.700 Dylan is saying, well, this is obviously unconstitutional.

00:36:37.700 Hmm.

00:36:38.640 Hopefully it is because of the the the idea of the Constitution, the fake one or the real one.

00:36:45.160 Yes, because hopefully it is because of these these executive orders or whatever.

00:36:51.560 But, you know, my the whole thing that I was angry, like, like when I first started getting into this kind of stuff and reading these alternative ideas, what made me angry was that no one on Fox.

00:37:03.520 No, I never read anywhere.

00:37:05.640 No one told me that about about disparate impact and all these kinds of things.

00:37:10.420 Like, look, you know, that law, it's really simple.

00:37:12.800 I mean, it's very obvious.

00:37:14.680 Anyone should do this if you're able to look any group that votes 70 percent plus Democrat.

00:37:22.480 Oh, you have to give them money before you give money Republican.

00:37:26.480 I mean, why wouldn't you do that?

00:37:28.260 Now, of course, this gets into, you know, why you even have I mean, this gets into very, very, very deep quarters quick.

00:37:35.220 But I mean, that that is it's just, hey, Democrats won.

00:37:40.800 You have to give money.

00:37:41.660 You have to give money to us.

00:37:42.660 It's very, very simple.

00:37:45.580 Oh, 100 percent.

00:37:47.160 Like, clearly, that's what this is.

00:37:49.580 Oh, now on, you know, everyone who gets, you know, a little bit of, you know, a little bit off the government teat.

00:37:56.700 Well, of course, you know, you could probably run the general, you know, statistics on government contractors.

00:38:03.040 But let's just make that more explicit.

00:38:04.680 Right.

00:38:05.180 We said earlier that, you know, the black voters in Virginia went 93, 92 percent span burger. 0.70

00:38:11.460 Well, guess what?

00:38:13.180 You know, you just got given a pathway to free money.

00:38:16.340 You don't even have to be good at your job.

00:38:18.220 You can be at least five percent less efficient.

00:38:21.500 You can charge five percent more than your competition and you'll be given a leg up.

00:38:25.980 Now, let's assume that there are people in that industry who want to stay in that industry, right?

00:38:31.980 Who want to continue to get government contracts.

00:38:35.220 Well, if you're a firm that relies on government contracts, what are you going to do when you're hiring your next CEO?

00:38:41.720 When you're looking for your next executive team, who are you going to be looking for?

00:38:46.940 Oh, the guys that give up, not the guys, the people who give us an advantage.

00:38:51.040 So this is a double system of patronage, right?

00:38:53.380 You are providing entry on two different levels to your guys, to your voters.

00:38:59.100 And really, that's what it is.

00:39:01.160 That's all this is.

00:39:02.220 The Second Amendment stuff, anything else is punishing their enemies, the people they hate in, you know, the gross, icky part of the state that I live, the chuds. 1.00

00:39:11.600 We're punishing them and rewarding our friends.

00:39:14.380 That's all this is.

00:39:16.100 When I say all, I don't mean to say it's inconsequential, but it's a very simple formula.

00:39:19.880 One that Democrats clearly understand, Republicans clearly do not.

00:39:25.480 And when we look at the scoreboard for the last 80 years of politics, although let's be honest, we could take it back 100, even longer than that, who's winning?

00:39:33.560 And at a certain point, when you're down 100 to zero, you know, it's starting to enter the third quarter.

00:39:39.940 When do you look up and say, hey, maybe what those guys are doing is the right strategy.

00:39:45.000 However, apparently, our guys have looked at that and said, well, clearly the problem is we're not doing our game plan hard enough.

00:39:54.900 The game plan that led us to this absolute disaster of a situation.

00:39:59.320 And yeah, until that changes, we will continue to see these results.

00:40:03.840 A great example, right, is the absolute feckless Indiana Republicans who had a chance to redistrict their state.

00:40:09.780 They apparently struck some sort of deal behind the scenes with the Republican or with the Democrats of Maryland saying, hey, if you don't do this, we won't do this.

00:40:19.700 And not only did the Indiana Republicans get snookered, right?

00:40:24.200 The Maryland Dems are apparently going straight ahead with what they wanted to do anyway, but they completely blew their opportunity.

00:40:30.520 So even in a situation where they control all the cards, they're so inept at politics that they're not only screwing up their own state, but screwing up others.

00:40:39.240 It's almost impressive, right?

00:40:41.600 Well, and here's how impossible this stuff is to get rid of, like just to give people an idea of once these programs are dug in, why they're such a problem.

00:40:51.500 So in the last day or two, Chris Ruffo, to his credit, has started a campaign because he discovered that the Trump administration, you know, the one that wrote a executive order banning DEI across the board in the executive branch, their small business, their small business division is still preferring minorities and women when it comes to small business loans.

00:41:15.580 It's like literally the Republican Trump administration, the one who has declared DEI the enemy, the one who signed an executive order banning DEI is still, as of this moment, hand-walking women and minorities through the process to prefer them for small business loans over white men.

00:41:35.480 In fact, I know personally a business that put a Hispanic woman in charge for no other reason than it qualified them to get this loan because that was already the policy under Biden and now it's still the policy under Trump. 0.98

00:41:50.480 So even in an administration that has explicitly repudiated this ideology, which has written executive orders banning this ideology, buried in the bureaucracy, still functioning a year into the administration, is an anti-white law or anti-white directive that is still keeping white guys from getting the same loans that women and minorities would get.

00:42:15.780 And so this is, again, and that's in something where we have control, theoretically, like we have won the victory.

00:42:22.500 These people are aware of everything that's going on.

00:42:25.040 They are trying to eliminate it and they can't even find like obvious giant programs in which they are preferring people who would never vote for them and hate their guts and want them dead over their own voters.

00:42:37.520 So you think that's going somewhere in Virginia?

00:42:40.060 I mean, you think Armie Dillon's going to get rid of that when it's literally happening inside her own administration? 1.00

00:42:46.100 It really is insane that we continue to just, you know, this is one of those scenarios where the whole like it just needs to be blown up seems far more reasonable than pretending we're going to go around and root out every little bit of this stuff when it's baked so deeply into the system.

00:43:02.520 Yeah, you know, there's a lot of I think there are some good because look, let's be clear.

00:43:09.220 You know, the reason I read that passage, this is collaboration.

00:43:12.480 Like if you look at these laws, like this is hard to, I didn't understand this, but the, like, what is the, like, how does the government work?

00:43:22.240 The government is like, you could replace like 99% of the people who work for the work for the government are contracting employees.

00:43:30.480 The government puts out bids and who wins the bid?

00:43:35.120 It's the lowest bidder.

00:43:36.340 So you're like, oh, well, it's just 10% or whatever.

00:43:39.060 No, that, that, that means they win the bid.

00:43:41.500 So who wins the bid?

00:43:43.600 It's things where, where all we care about is that white men are not in charge. 0.99

00:43:49.480 That's the, like, that's like, look, that is psychotic, man. 0.80

00:43:53.660 Like, I don't think Stalin would have done something like that. 0.73

00:43:56.580 That's crazy.

00:43:57.800 That is, that's completely crazy.

00:43:59.640 If you go along with that, you look, that is, that is serious.

00:44:04.940 That is collaboration with the enemy. 0.53

00:44:06.680 Because what, what you have, there are people that are like, well, you know, I don't hate other races.

00:44:13.140 I don't hate single women, stuff like this. 1.00

00:44:15.520 So, well, I need to, every policy I write needs to have every, all these voters in mind.

00:44:21.460 That's not how politics works.

00:44:23.940 You represent your clients.

00:44:26.560 Here's the thing.

00:44:27.820 They have representatives.

00:44:30.380 If the Republican party did not, uh, I know we had this, we were,

00:44:35.340 we were worried that, that, uh, the historically black colleges were going to miss out on something.

00:44:42.400 The thing is they have, you don't have to worry about them.

00:44:47.860 They have the Democrats.

00:44:49.880 Let me tell you, they'll be fine.

00:44:52.060 They'll, they'll, they'll land on their feet.

00:44:54.280 You know why?

00:44:54.760 Because they actually have people that they have the Democrats and they're going to make sure that they get their stuff.

00:45:01.540 You worry about yours.

00:45:03.440 That's how the system works.

00:45:04.860 You're the prosecution.

00:45:06.220 You try to convict the guy.

00:45:08.180 You don't worry about, about what, what could, what could, uh, they have a defense.

00:45:14.020 That's their, you have to represent your client.

00:45:17.060 You must represent your client.

00:45:18.700 That is your job.

00:45:20.100 You are a representative.

00:45:21.720 You speak on their behalf.

00:45:24.220 That is the job.

00:45:25.820 That's, that's what we need.

00:45:27.160 And this is serious business, man.

00:45:28.740 And it's getting more serious by the day.

00:45:30.840 There are people scandalized every day.

00:45:33.780 Now we watch you, Minneapolis.

00:45:35.580 Look, Minneapolis.

00:45:36.940 I mean, look, I tried to act like I am too cold for this, but I mean, they're even breaking the patronage model.

00:45:44.040 It's just actually the people in the government.

00:45:46.060 They're protesting.

00:45:47.140 I don't even know.

00:45:48.400 I don't even know how to do the math on that.

00:45:50.500 It's like actually the government.

00:45:52.160 I don't know that it gets weird.

00:45:54.740 Yeah.

00:45:56.480 Normally you at least have some kind of plausible deniability by acting through foot soldiers and agents.

00:46:01.540 But yeah, when you're just directly injecting yourself, when it's very clear, there's a, you know.

00:46:06.360 Yeah.

00:46:06.540 I'm the state attorney throwing the Molotov cocktail.

00:46:09.300 Yeah.

00:46:09.820 Right.

00:46:10.140 I think, I think we're pretty deep into it.

00:46:12.280 Uh, guys, I, I know we could go on about this, but, uh, I do have to beat feet.

00:46:16.380 I'm going to be on a Tim cast tonight.

00:46:18.780 Uh, so I do have to travel.

00:46:20.320 So let's get over to, uh, the questions of our people here real quick.

00:46:24.040 But before we do, uh, Mr. Beef, uh, where can people find the good old boys program?

00:46:29.180 We're on kick twice a week.

00:46:31.700 Uh, eight, eight Eastern kick.com slash good old boys.

00:46:36.780 G O D O L B O Y Z. 1.00

00:46:38.760 We're also on Patreon.

00:46:40.240 We have a big new series covering the, uh, HBO Rome show.

00:46:44.440 It's doing very well.

00:46:45.320 Lots of people enjoying it.

00:46:47.080 Um, about six, we do about six hours of, of, uh, of, uh, analysis commentary with a,

00:46:53.940 real classics guy.

00:46:55.620 Um, and, uh, that's on our Patreon, uh, dot com.

00:46:59.160 Good old boys.

00:46:59.640 G O O D O L B O Y Z. 1.00

00:47:01.540 I'm on Twitter as bog underscore beef.

00:47:04.680 And Mr.

00:47:05.360 Burden, where do people find your show?

00:47:06.940 Even if you haven't seen HBO's Rome.

00:47:10.780 Oh, that that's a hundred percent true.

00:47:12.360 I have not, uh, look, uh, I'm Gen Z comes with the territory.

00:47:17.460 I have seen no cultural products really whatsoever.

00:47:20.180 Uh, but I will reiterate that's all you do a hundred percent.

00:47:23.640 Like if you guys could edit Rome with like subway surfer on the bottom, that would really

00:47:28.800 be great for me.

00:47:29.700 That's really the only way I can get through something.

00:47:31.220 I will say I've been listening to that series.

00:47:33.080 It is great.

00:47:33.980 It's, it's quite good.

00:47:34.800 So be sure to check that out on the good old boys, Patreon, my stuff, Jay Burden show,

00:47:38.660 Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts.

00:47:40.960 And again, Oran, thanks for having me, dude.

00:47:43.520 Of course.

00:47:44.120 Let's go to the questions of the people here real quick.

00:47:46.240 Brent Zwingle says, I'm sure my turbo lib family in Charlottesville is so happy.

00:47:51.480 A Democrat one.

00:47:53.440 Uh, yeah, I know they are.

00:47:54.860 I know they are.

00:47:57.080 Yeah.

00:47:57.680 It is quite a bit of a disaster to see what has happened to what was once a, uh, a key

00:48:03.000 Southern state.

00:48:03.700 Yes, sir.

00:48:04.840 Charlottesville is particularly poignant because it is, it is lib central within that kind of

00:48:10.040 area of central Virginia.

00:48:11.060 And they hate the fact, like genuinely hate the fact that everything cool about that town

00:48:17.140 was built by a guy who owned people.

00:48:20.660 And it's true. 0.56

00:48:21.640 They can't get around that fact that everything cool about Charlottesville was, was put up

00:48:26.800 by a guy who owned slaves.

00:48:28.480 And so they have this incredibly schizophrenic relationship where everything is, or was at

00:48:33.600 one point named after Lee Jackson, Jefferson, the whole lot.

00:48:37.480 And they have a bunch of cool stuff that they want to keep because it's nice, but they're

00:48:41.220 constantly in this sort of schizophrenia where they feel like they need to just ironically

00:48:45.800 enough, you know, whip themselves, uh, for the fact that they live in a cool place built

00:48:50.560 by a guy with values from a different time.

00:48:52.820 I need to go there before they, they turn it into a, uh, uh, well, I don't, I don't even

00:48:58.060 want to speculate there.

00:48:59.220 Um, is, is that where, uh, UVA is and Thomas Jefferson design all this stuff?

00:49:04.820 And yeah, if you ever, uh, I, you know, you hear that Thomas Jefferson was a genius, but

00:49:11.620 you look at like, I mean, he was like, in terms of a, uh, you know, a polymath, he was

00:49:19.060 like a, he, uh, his archeology, he was giving lectures on archeology into, in, in, in developing

00:49:26.340 techniques that are still used today.

00:49:28.060 And just like, unbelievably, like we, we had it all, man.

00:49:33.160 We had it all.

00:49:36.680 Uh, Randall shirker says at this point, any Republican not gunning for power is a fundamentally

00:49:42.560 unserious person at best and a closet Democrat at worst. 0.58

00:49:45.780 Yeah.

00:49:45.940 And this is why I harp on this constantly.

00:49:48.500 Uh, the, the vast majority of the Republican establishment is still completely out to lunch

00:49:52.580 on this.

00:49:53.060 I don't know that.

00:49:54.400 I don't know what the conversion rate is.

00:49:55.800 I don't know how many people we can reach.

00:49:57.160 We've gotten to a few of them.

00:49:58.600 There's a few good, uh, you know, uh, guys, uh, in, in the legislature at this point.

00:50:03.180 Uh, but in general, this is still a, a message that has to be pounded, uh, mercilessly into

00:50:07.580 the skull of every Republican.

00:50:09.060 And, uh, I really see that as my job.

00:50:10.960 Uh, so that's, that's what I do.

00:50:13.340 Uh, Mr.

00:50:14.440 Nike says, I appreciate you calling me Mr.

00:50:16.300 Nike's, but without fed posting, some of us are way past the point of caring about elections.

00:50:20.720 We're beyond that.

00:50:21.680 I hear you, man.

00:50:22.260 But as, uh, as Bob pointed out, this is the game that we have right now, whether you like

00:50:26.500 it or not, elections are what convey legitimacy in the minds of Americans.

00:50:30.760 They might not be fair.

00:50:32.440 The idea that they work as some kind of marketplace of ideas might be a joke.

00:50:35.580 Uh, we might be aware of all of those realities, uh, but we still have to go through the motions

00:50:42.800 at this point.

00:50:44.240 Maybe at some point that will change.

00:50:46.200 But at the moment, uh, you know, Trump can only secure power through elections.

00:50:50.200 Uh, legitimacy is considered con conveyed by elections.

00:50:53.620 And so, uh, we need, we need to, uh, you know, have backup plans, I guess, but ultimately

00:50:58.740 you still need to, uh, understand that, uh, you know, doing things like cleaning voter

00:51:03.360 rolls and, uh, making sure the electoral process works properly is actually still the closest

00:51:09.300 route to power in the United States.

00:51:10.820 It would be foolish to completely discard that, even if we understand that ultimately that

00:51:15.200 might not be a final path towards, uh, saving the country.

00:51:18.780 I had a, I had this, this thought resonates with me because, you know, I had this thought

00:51:22.700 I was like, it's so like, why are things have gotten so bad and people are still more

00:51:28.480 afraid of lawyers than they are of, of violence and et cetera.

00:51:33.080 And I was like, this is, this is wrong.

00:51:34.700 This is against the moral order and stuff.

00:51:36.440 And, you know, I, I, I really, I, I'm really into, uh, Julius Caesar and, uh, the fall of

00:51:44.020 the Republican stuff.

00:51:45.000 And it was the same way there.

00:51:46.980 I mean, it was the same way there that, like, even at the end, I mean, even when people are

00:51:52.860 dying, there's still, Hey, it, let it be, let check the record.

00:51:57.360 I did ask for X or Y, like, it's still, it's still, it, I don't think that, you know, it,

00:52:03.740 it, it, I think it's, it, it, it, it does, it does, it doesn't make me angry at my core.

00:52:10.600 It shouldn't be like that.

00:52:11.680 It should be, we should be the real deal.

00:52:13.680 We stop, stop talking about, about all this, that, that, this nonsense and these laws and

00:52:18.600 stuff like that.

00:52:19.260 No, I don't think it changes.

00:52:21.400 I don't think it changes.

00:52:22.660 Yeah.

00:52:23.180 People were still quoting, uh, laws to men with swords, even after Maria Cincella.

00:52:28.360 Right.

00:52:28.900 Like if that doesn't tell you, uh, kind of, uh, how, how, uh, deeply ingrained, uh, that

00:52:34.940 mentality becomes, then nothing will.

00:52:38.360 Uh, author in California says waiting for the inevitable con Inc essay, the conservative

00:52:43.620 case for protesting in houses of worship with references to vague incidents in the 1791

00:52:48.860 Connecticut, uh, uh, Connecticut to back up the claim.

00:52:52.640 Uh, this is the blessings of American Liberty.

00:52:55.900 Uh, yeah, I mean, the good news is I don't think I've heard a lot of conservatives backing

00:53:00.020 away from the Don Lemon stuff, but it looks like you might have a, a different, uh, thought

00:53:04.740 there.

00:53:06.960 I think you're still muted there, Jay.

00:53:10.460 Professional podcaster, ladies and gentlemen, you're partially correct.

00:53:14.400 Aren't right.

00:53:15.220 That self-described conservatives have been pushing back on this, but I, I believe Arthur

00:53:21.100 is, uh, you know, making kind of a shot across the bow to, uh, to, uh, David French.

00:53:26.380 One of my, Oh, of course I, I have David French blocked on Twitter, so I don't know what he

00:53:30.240 says, but I can assume.

00:53:31.700 Yeah.

00:53:32.520 Well, I don't, I'm a great collector of his work.

00:53:36.160 Uh, if you need to write a Substack article, just look at what David French is talking about.

00:53:39.920 It's a free one.

00:53:40.900 Uh, but in all seriousness, right.

00:53:42.220 You're seeing the kind of left edge of the evangelical world, very much pushing towards

00:53:48.360 that, right.

00:53:49.020 Very much saying, you know, really we're at fault because we allowed this gross evil, maybe

00:53:55.460 aligned with ice pastor to have a church.

00:53:58.160 That's the real problem.

00:53:59.400 And look, those aren't conservatives.

00:54:01.200 Those aren't normal people, right.

00:54:03.160 But they exist, right.

00:54:04.760 You can check the Holy post.

00:54:05.980 You can check a few other of these kind of just amazing journalistic outlets for exactly

00:54:10.500 that take, Arthur.

00:54:11.380 Matt Gaetz says, uh, uh, the only way to get Republicans to do what the base wants is if

00:54:19.120 the base threatens to withhold their votes this year and in 2028, that's the only leverage

00:54:23.520 the base has.

00:54:24.960 Yes and no.

00:54:26.180 So we've seen the zero seats thing, right?

00:54:28.540 We saw this in the UK and in one way, I guess it worked.

00:54:34.680 The conservative party is pretty much done for, uh, the, even the, uh, labor party has,

00:54:41.360 seriously wounded itself with the quality of its governance.

00:54:44.700 Simultaneously, uh, look at the UK right now.

00:54:46.820 Like people are getting arrested for posting on Facebook and, you know, the, the, uh, you

00:54:52.360 know, Starmer government has been absolutely totalitarian.

00:54:54.920 So, you know, does it, is the accelerationist option, the one that works there?

00:55:00.860 I don't know.

00:55:01.380 I mean, the good thing is the UK is a few years ahead of us on that timeline.

00:55:04.780 So I guess we can kind of watch them and see if it's worth investing in, but I am somewhat

00:55:09.580 skeptical that like ensuring Democrat victory is ultimately, uh, the way forward. 0.97

00:55:14.700 I hear you that the Republicans are completely useless and don't deserve our vote. 0.95

00:55:18.640 But honestly, at that point, prepare for the revolution, man. 0.96

00:55:21.900 Like I don't, I don't, I don't see like sitting out a few elections on the Republicans and putting

00:55:26.200 the Democrats in power.

00:55:27.220 Democrats are in power for eight years.

00:55:28.620 The country is done.

00:55:29.340 Like you're never going to win another election.

00:55:31.080 Oh, I finally got the Republicans to take me seriously.

00:55:33.300 Yeah.

00:55:33.400 Just in time to make sure that you can't vote and every illegal in, you know, vent, you

00:55:37.240 know, I don't know, Venezuela or Caracas or whatever, they're the ones who are going

00:55:40.640 to be able to vote.

00:55:41.220 Like, come on, I mean, I don't know, I could be wrong on this, but I, I don't see how that's

00:55:45.880 an advantage for anyone at the end of the day.

00:55:48.100 Uh, I get the idea, you know, it comes from like a basic power dynamics and stuff.

00:55:52.360 There's nothing like, um, if you force anything to be a hundred percent victor, then like it,

00:55:58.300 it basically must split.

00:56:00.280 It just kind of has to.

00:56:02.580 However, I mean, if you look at history and stuff, um, I mean, you know, the communist party

00:56:08.580 in, in Russia became defined by, there was no longer any, uh, uh, it was, it was the

00:56:15.980 internal conflicts of those guys.

00:56:18.060 So it, what, what, you know, you could much, I don't see any, I don't see any re basic reason

00:56:24.480 why this would reproduce, this would reproduce, you know, some kind of a fantastic conservative,

00:56:29.840 a revolution.

00:56:30.640 You, you would probably get, uh, you know, the NIMBYs versus the, uh, the YIMBYs is, is

00:56:35.920 the future, uh, uh, right and left of American politics, et cetera.

00:56:40.880 Elijah Tymon says Trump is stacking wins to secure the American empire for the next hundred

00:56:46.020 years of dominance just to deliver it into the woke hands in three years.

00:56:51.060 Yeah.

00:56:51.340 I mean, there is unfortunately some truth to that.

00:56:53.880 I, I understand what Trump's trying to do.

00:56:55.700 So if Trump had, you know, a lifetime appointment, then maybe, you know, strengthening the American

00:57:02.880 empire would be an advantage.

00:57:04.900 Uh, but if you don't fix the electoral issue, uh, then everything you do as, uh, Elijah's

00:57:10.740 pointing out here is simply strengthening the Democrats as you're just handing them that

00:57:14.940 strengthened, uh, power at the end of the day.

00:57:17.400 So you have to fix the voting issue.

00:57:19.480 You have to fix the domestic issues.

00:57:21.260 You have to fix these things before you go out and secure American power abroad.

00:57:26.320 Don't get me wrong.

00:57:27.080 I know we need access to money, to oil and rare earth minerals and all that stuff, but

00:57:31.200 it doesn't matter if the Democrats are in charge.

00:57:33.480 That's really the only thing that should matter at this point.

00:57:36.100 And then those are the only things he can do without a, a judge, uh, telling him he can't.

00:57:40.660 Yeah.

00:57:41.080 We we've had that discussion as well.

00:57:42.660 And I think that that's true is unfortunately he is, he is more sovereign in South America than

00:57:46.860 he is in Chicago.

00:57:47.900 Uh, no, I'm not from red writing.

00:57:51.120 It says, uh, three of my goats at the round table.

00:57:54.000 Absolute peak.

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