Jay Burden and Bogby Boggs discuss the Virginia governor's race and why it was such a disaster for the Republican Party of America. They talk about identity politics, identity fraud, and why the GOP should have chosen a better candidate.
00:00:00.000Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with some great guests that I think you're really going to enjoy.
00:00:07.700The GOP lost a critical election in the Virginia governor's race. Many people warned them, including a few people who happened to be on the stream with me today, about running a silly DEI candidate in place of, you know, a responsible person who could actually win a significant state.
00:00:24.480Instead, the GOP attempted to run their diversity higher, lost quite convincingly, and then is now crying about the fact that their new governor, Spamburger, and I'm going to call her Spamburger because it got locked in my brain and she will forever be a lunch meat.
00:00:39.780But the fact that she is now in power means that the state legislature is pushing through all kinds of radical bills, anti-white bills.
00:00:48.500They are discriminating openly against white business owners. They are manipulating elections.
00:00:54.600They are removing mandatory minimums on some of the most violent crimes you can imagine.
00:00:59.220We're going to dive into all this with our guests today, Jay Burden and Bogby. Thank you so much for coming on, guys.
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00:03:46.240You may remember the Loudoun County scandal where there was a really horrific trans crime that was covered up in the school system for all of the reasons you might expect,
00:03:56.840and this propelled Youngkin into office, right?
00:04:00.400It took it from being a race that he was competitive but still losing to within the margin of error.
00:05:10.080And this was predicted by myself, by Bogby's co-host Merrick, by many other figures as well.
00:05:15.880And we see that instead of the moderate that she self-described as, our new governor is insanely radical.
00:05:23.860She's pushing through incredibly radical policies on obviously the Second Amendment, but you've no doubt heard about that.
00:05:30.260But also the trans issue, abortion, effectively just legalizing fraud, any number of kind of Democratic excesses all at once immediately.
00:05:40.760Additionally, further down the ticket, Republicans suffered as well.
00:05:44.620Obviously, the Democrats currently, I believe, have almost a full trifecta, right?
00:05:48.380They control every part of government.
00:05:49.920But also, they lost the AG race, where you may remember Jay Jones was sending texts fantasizing about killing his opponent's children.
00:05:57.880And okay, fair enough, that was a closer race.
00:06:01.020But still, the GOP got trounced, completely and totally demolished.
00:06:05.980And people will look at this and say, oh, well, you know, don't you know, Virginia as a state elected, you know, on the state level, cast their votes for Democratic presidential candidates.
00:06:19.160There have been other states, namely Florida, who have been in similar situations and due to particularly good leadership, have been able to become solid red states.
00:06:29.280But during his four years in power, Youngkid did nothing like that at all.
00:06:33.900He did nothing to make the state redder, to make it more, to make it better ground, more fertile ground for his erstwhile political allies.
00:06:42.920He effectively sat on his hands, picked a horrible candidate, and now I and many others are bearing the consequences of that.
00:06:51.720Unfortunately, this is a classic conservative move we have seen done over and over and over again.
00:06:57.740And yet again, we are bearing the consequences for GOP incompetence.
00:07:02.540Yeah, before I go to Bogg, I just have to ask you, because I remember early on when Youngkin ended up winning, you know, there were basically two governors that Chris Ruffo seemed to be more or less grooming for the national stage.
00:07:18.740I don't know if you remember this, but Ruffo was very early on heavily involved in pushing policy with Youngkin, you know, championing the, you know, gender diversity, you know, stuff and the, you know, DEI in schools and mainly the transgender issue.
00:07:34.380And that was at the time was a very powerful issue.
00:07:37.200Like that was something that was really animating parents.
00:07:41.480You can understand why Youngkin was building a certain amount of momentum while not really being a particularly, you know, dynamic candidate, simply on the back of something like that.
00:08:09.500And very importantly, something that Curtis Yarvin has pointed out repeatedly, you know, Florida went from being a purple state to a red state.
00:08:17.300It went from a purple state going blue to a pretty, pretty staunchly red state.
00:08:22.700And that shift occurred almost solely because, A, the level of immigration into the state due to COVID was decidedly right wing, but also because DeSantis made the effort to clean up the voter rolls.
00:08:35.840You know, as, as, as, uh, Jarvin joked, I, I, you know, you could just say that DeSantis is the most charismatic and dynamic candidate in Florida history.
00:08:43.560Or the other explanation is he actually cared about power and he took things that were going to win him and the party for their elections.
00:08:53.640Why is someone like Yunkin who had theoretically kind of the same coaching from a operative, like Ru Rubio.
00:09:00.940Why was something similar not done there?
00:09:04.180Well, look, uh, I don't know of the band personally, so I can't tell you exactly what, but I can say what we see oftentimes with these sort of respectable establishment Republican types.
00:09:13.800That quite simply winning is low status, right?
00:09:17.520Unseating the Democrats is low status.
00:09:19.820That's for icky, gross people that we don't like.
00:09:22.240And if you, like he does, uh, seemingly desire an eternal career in Beltway politics, right?
00:09:28.000He's gotten a very lucrative lobbying job now, uh, or a consulting job.
00:09:31.920I can't remember, but let's be honest.
00:09:50.320So look, this would have been a tough road to hoe no matter what, right?
00:09:54.340Virginia, especially Northern Virginia, which is the population center, is obviously heavily tied up with government contracting and federal employees.
00:10:02.040So, as you remember, there was a government shutdown at the time, which was cynically extended to just pass those elections.
00:14:36.180They matter a hell of a lot less there in D.C.
00:14:39.220Because, obviously, if people don't know, D.C. in the 70s and the 80s was – I'm going to say it was the poorest city of the United States.
00:16:02.400This is – I don't want to get into deep waters here.
00:16:04.600People have written about – there's a lot of elder statesmen, the GOP, who like choosing their – the Robin to their Batman to be someone who could never challenge them,
00:16:16.140who just doesn't sit in their same stratosphere when it comes to that sort of thing.
00:16:21.420And I think we see that with the unfortunate woman who ran against Abigail Spanberger.
00:16:29.260You know, I guess to answer the – ask the question is to answer it.
00:16:33.220But we'll go through the – we'll go through the process anyway because I think it's important to keep hitting this,
00:16:38.340even if it's probably obvious to a lot of people who have heard us speak before.
00:16:43.020But there's always new people joining.
00:17:27.620The very minute they think that they can appeal to minority, they're going to run a minority candidate, no matter how bad they are.
00:17:35.160And the amazing thing is that not only do they run the minority candidate, they run the minority candidate even when they know they can't possibly pick up a significant amount of those votes.
00:17:46.040Let's say you doubled – no, tripled the black vote for Republicans.
00:17:51.080Would that get you anywhere near just picking up, I don't know, 3% more of the white vote in Virginia?
00:17:56.560You know, would it really make significant inroads into the electoral math there by winning, you know, double the amount of that community you normally do?
00:18:07.120I think, you know, Jay Bird was saying they won, like, what, 6%, 7% maybe on their best day?
00:18:15.240That's such a comparatively small amount of people you're sacrificing the entire election to appeal to.
00:18:21.880The only way you could convince yourself to do this is if you had bought into the religion of the left.
00:18:27.420And it's just so clear that the conservatives, despite all their, oh, we don't see color, it's a colorblind meritocracy, we don't care about identity politics.
00:18:44.620It will invest in them at every turn, even when they fail.
00:18:47.180That's how dedicated the Republican Party is to identity politics.
00:18:51.020They will play the game and lose and be happy for the chance, brag about that they had the chance to play the game of identity politics instead of just finding someone who can actually get elected in any given state.
00:19:02.720Well, and to that point, right, the consequences for failure are very clear.
00:19:10.240We understand what happens when you lose, even to a reported moderate.
00:19:14.940The power grabs made, you know, both in the kind of just quality of life for normal Virginians, but also to, you know, changes to the electoral process.
00:19:24.700Massively increasing, you know, the amount of time for votes to come in after the election, allowing no voter ID online elections, allowing people to vouch on behalf and cast ballots for people who are disabled or not there.
00:19:40.640And also, you know, barring the ability to check into, you know, a vote that's been cast electronically, like these are very serious power grabs.
00:19:49.040They're changing the ways that elections are done.
00:19:51.180We know why we've seen this run before.
00:19:53.460So, you know, these sort of, you know, offerings to the state religion, right?
00:19:57.680These sort of, you know, platitudes towards the gods of DEI.
00:20:03.840It's not just that you, you know, you reorganize, you pull yourself up by your bootstraps and, you know, get a new candidate next time.
00:20:10.980It's like, no, you have dramatically made your job harder.
00:20:14.940You do not get to be the same sort of political force you were.
00:20:18.440You have taken real lasting damage, not only to your political chances as a Republican in the state, but also to the state itself, right?
00:20:27.680These consequences are very real and the difference between even a kind of chamber of commerce Republican type and, you know, Mao in a blonde wig, that's dramatic, right?
00:20:39.720But, you know, for instance, the changes to criminal justice, right?
00:20:43.340The very serious crimes no longer will, assuming this passes, right, have mandatory minimums, decriminalizing burglary in a number of different instances.
00:20:52.860These matter for normal, everyday people.
00:20:55.640And so the consequences of that sort of, you know, obsequious behavior towards the political left is not just that you don't get to be in charge and maybe you get another crack at it four years down the line.
00:21:10.060And Republicans in other states should remember that, you know, the consequences for, you know, being too deferential to the Trump administration, working alongside, you know, Border Patrol or anything like that.
00:21:30.920But again, the consequences for this sort of short-sighted, you know, ultimately futile virtue signaling to the political left is that you go to jail, to be perfectly blunt about it.
00:21:42.400And so even if you're not, you know, an ideologue, even if you're not the sort of person that believes in the kind of eternal truths that the three of us do, most people don't want to go to jail.
00:21:52.960Like maybe Lindsey Graham would have a fun time, but like for everyone else, that isn't a great use of your time.
00:22:00.980Yeah, Bob, I feel like I am taking the crazy pills on this one because we'll get to all of the crazy stuff they passed, of course.
00:22:08.380But Burden pointed out that one of the first things they're doing here is rigging elections, right?
00:22:12.920They're making it, you know, you can just do it online.
00:22:15.660Who needs any kind of actual identification?
00:22:20.540I believe one of the laws passed is that any vote has to be counted by a machine.
00:22:24.660You're not even allowed to review it by hand.
00:22:27.240We know that we know that they are where we know that they are removing their cooperation with ICE, with the federal government when it comes to deportation.
00:22:36.520So they're going to ensure that illegals are in the in in the state and therefore are going to be able to vote because you're basically removing all mechanisms by which you would prevent voter fraud.
00:22:48.640I mean, it is very blatantly a situation where losing one election means losing all subsequent elections like that's where we're at at the moment.
00:22:56.580And it's particularly frustrating because we've watched several Republicans in state legislatures say, no, we won't redistrict.
00:23:18.200And the Democrats get in power and they're like, oh, no, we'll absolutely do this.
00:23:21.560We're going to radically redo the vote.
00:23:24.220And look, all of us here are skeptical of democracy.
00:23:26.860I don't think we need to go into the the problems with democracy.
00:23:29.760But assuming for a moment that you're a democracy enjoyer, like how can you sit back and just say, oh, well, whenever they're in power, they can change all the rules for voting to ensure that we never get elected again.
00:23:41.800And when we're a power, we have principles that say we can never touch this.
00:23:45.280I mean, even if you are like the world's like most mainstream, you know, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Prager, talk radio conservative.
00:23:54.080How can you look at this and not understand the absolute disaster you were already in the middle of watching?
00:24:06.360So this is something that I think, you know, we saw here in Florida.
00:24:11.140I've heard in Ohio, I don't know as much about Ohio, but we definitely seen, you know, a lot of these states took serious action.
00:24:20.440If you look at what Florida's laws with ballots, they're very, very good.
00:24:26.740And this is why, you know, if you're a Democrat, you're screwed if you're running in Florida from here on out because you can't cook up votes like this anymore.
00:24:38.240I think everyone's looking around and a lot of state, a lot of any of these, of course, most states are out of reach.
00:24:45.360Most states have whatever, too much, too much rural or too much urban to be in play.
00:24:51.660But all your swing states right now are being locked up.
00:24:56.460And I think, I think we're seeing that in Virginia.
00:24:59.420We've obviously on our side, we saw that in Florida and Ohio.
00:25:38.020Uh, so, I mean, look, if you don't have signature match, uh, I mean, if you know the names of people who live in, live in a nursing home, do the math.
00:25:49.900Like, look, it's not, it's not difficult.
00:27:15.140And it, this is something that feels stupid to say, but like, yes, being like the black conservative guy, it is powerful in like TV and debates and stuff like that.
00:27:28.720It's a gay guy, but he's against the Democrats.
00:27:31.220That's, I know it sounds weird, but like, uh, these, there's a lot of TV does have a huge effect on Republican politics and it does have a big effect there.
00:27:40.760Finally, on the point of collaboration, which is a big thing that we're talking about here.
00:27:47.020I'm going to read, but this is, this is from a book written 50 years ago on the city of Chicago.
00:27:54.420But this is just really, really stuck with me.
00:29:44.340And you get to line your pockets from time to time.
00:29:46.780And yeah, nowhere to the degree that the Democrats do.
00:29:49.400But far more than you could expect, you know, running your car dealership back home if you're very lucky.
00:29:55.280And so they obviously grab a hold of something like this.
00:29:58.380And this means that ultimately what we're looking at long term is the fact that, you know, the national GOP and many conservative, you know, just the rank and file still think of this thing as Mr. Smith goes to Washington, right?
00:30:13.580Like we get together, we debate politics.
00:30:16.140Whoever makes the most convincing argument will win the votes.
00:30:19.400And that will provide popular sovereignty to the winner.
00:30:22.920In reality, the left is playing machine politics.
00:30:25.800They are building political machines everywhere.
00:30:31.700They are ensuring that there is a dedicated voting base in every scenario, whether they do it through voter fraud or open borders or open patronage and bribery.
00:31:08.480You are going to work with the machine.
00:31:10.420The Republicans have to win the vote every single time.
00:31:13.360They have to fight for every single vote.
00:31:14.760The Democrats just start with a large amount of votes already pre-planned for them, and they feel like they have to push a few over to get to the threshold.
00:31:23.740And as long as that is the default way American politics works, the Republicans are going to lose because even when they win elections, they don't do anything with them.
00:31:47.480They're not willing to take any serious action as well.
00:31:50.080As soon as Democrats win, we see this complete leftist revolution.
00:31:53.300So let's get in to some of the bills that are now being passed.
00:31:57.100We already mentioned that they are no longer complying with ICE.
00:32:02.040They are no longer cooperating with ICE.
00:32:03.820So that means that they are effectively now a sanctuary state, not just a city in Virginia, but the entire state is now effectively a sanctuary state, just like something like Minnesota.
00:32:14.000They have also declared that they are no longer, like I said, allowing basically any way to check votes except electoral, except electronically, which definitely is not based entirely on the desire to commit fraud.
00:32:27.800They can also you can vote online and all these other things.
00:32:30.360You can have someone, you know, as your proxy or verify for you.
00:32:34.700We have the removing of the three strikes law.
00:32:38.060So basically, Virginia had a three strikes law eventually, and in that case, at least had to be like in the same field, like apparently with robbery, you needed to get like three robberies before escalated into something larger.
00:32:49.880Now they've removed that entirely, which is effectively removing criminality from large amounts of robbery.
00:32:55.680You also have a removal of mandatory minimums for things like rape, child pornography, all kinds of manslaughter, all kinds of assaulting a police officer.
00:33:09.640Wait, additionally, they have made it illegal to mention prior criminal history in court.
00:33:16.980So for instance, if you if you wanted to say not only has this person done this, but we can't tell you the fact that this is his 14th such conviction.
00:33:26.580That's just another kind of ancillary detail.
00:33:29.980I was going to say you can no longer mention repeat felonies.
00:33:32.600There's no longer additional penalties for repeat felonies.
00:33:35.740So your criminal your criminal history no longer matters when it comes to sentencing.
00:33:39.660You know, that basic thing that was like the, you know, like the building block of all jurisprudence in the United States now just out the window.
00:33:48.040Oh, and finally, as you say, they are literally just instituting the the Somali fraud scheme like directly.
00:33:57.300They're creating the exact same child care programs with the exact same incentive structures.
00:34:01.240And finally, the coup de grace on top of all of this, the one that's got everybody up in arms today with a lot of people.
00:34:08.240Yeah, I saw Meghan McCain saying, how could this be legal?
00:34:11.160And I just tried not to scream into the void for a good hour.
00:34:15.040You know, but but they they have now announced that their business, their state contracts will not be awarded to white guys under one hundred thousand dollars.
00:34:25.000So if there's any kind of payment under one hundred thousand dollars, white people don't even bother, man.
00:34:33.480White people can't can't can't make this money.
00:34:35.420And if it's over one hundred thousand dollars, you must give preference to a woman or minority as long as that difference is is no more than five percent.
00:34:46.340So we're going to pay a five percent premium to women and people of color over white people just because they're women and people of color.
00:34:55.520You can have the lower bid as a white man, but you you have to outbid them by more than five percent, because if it's within that five percent margin, they still get preference.
00:35:04.800So explicit, open, racial preference, completely eliminating white guys for anything under one hundred thousand dollars and is disadvantaging them for everything else.
00:35:15.440They passed this knowing Army Dillon sitting there threatening civil rights lawsuits.
00:35:20.460So clearly they don't think the Civil Rights Act is going to do anything about this.
00:35:24.740I know that'll spin all of us up on this one.
00:35:26.520But, you know, whoever would like to take that that incredible slate of legislation first, feel free to go ahead.
00:35:32.640Well, I'm torn because I love manslaughter and crime.
00:35:40.000You know, this is it's it's funny, but I mean, you you have you have look, this is serious business.
00:35:47.900I think of the pastor there in Minneapolis who I'm telling you what Don Lemon was doing was applying pressure and they wanted him to freak out.
00:36:38.640Hopefully it is because of the the the idea of the Constitution, the fake one or the real one.
00:36:45.160Yes, because hopefully it is because of these these executive orders or whatever.
00:36:51.560But, you know, my the whole thing that I was angry, like, like when I first started getting into this kind of stuff and reading these alternative ideas, what made me angry was that no one on Fox.
00:39:02.220The Second Amendment stuff, anything else is punishing their enemies, the people they hate in, you know, the gross, icky part of the state that I live, the chuds.
00:39:11.600We're punishing them and rewarding our friends.
00:39:16.100When I say all, I don't mean to say it's inconsequential, but it's a very simple formula.
00:39:19.880One that Democrats clearly understand, Republicans clearly do not.
00:39:25.480And when we look at the scoreboard for the last 80 years of politics, although let's be honest, we could take it back 100, even longer than that, who's winning?
00:39:33.560And at a certain point, when you're down 100 to zero, you know, it's starting to enter the third quarter.
00:39:39.940When do you look up and say, hey, maybe what those guys are doing is the right strategy.
00:39:45.000However, apparently, our guys have looked at that and said, well, clearly the problem is we're not doing our game plan hard enough.
00:39:54.900The game plan that led us to this absolute disaster of a situation.
00:39:59.320And yeah, until that changes, we will continue to see these results.
00:40:03.840A great example, right, is the absolute feckless Indiana Republicans who had a chance to redistrict their state.
00:40:09.780They apparently struck some sort of deal behind the scenes with the Republican or with the Democrats of Maryland saying, hey, if you don't do this, we won't do this.
00:40:19.700And not only did the Indiana Republicans get snookered, right?
00:40:24.200The Maryland Dems are apparently going straight ahead with what they wanted to do anyway, but they completely blew their opportunity.
00:40:30.520So even in a situation where they control all the cards, they're so inept at politics that they're not only screwing up their own state, but screwing up others.
00:40:41.600Well, and here's how impossible this stuff is to get rid of, like just to give people an idea of once these programs are dug in, why they're such a problem.
00:40:51.500So in the last day or two, Chris Ruffo, to his credit, has started a campaign because he discovered that the Trump administration, you know, the one that wrote a executive order banning DEI across the board in the executive branch, their small business, their small business division is still preferring minorities and women when it comes to small business loans.
00:41:15.580It's like literally the Republican Trump administration, the one who has declared DEI the enemy, the one who signed an executive order banning DEI is still, as of this moment, hand-walking women and minorities through the process to prefer them for small business loans over white men.
00:41:35.480In fact, I know personally a business that put a Hispanic woman in charge for no other reason than it qualified them to get this loan because that was already the policy under Biden and now it's still the policy under Trump.
00:41:50.480So even in an administration that has explicitly repudiated this ideology, which has written executive orders banning this ideology, buried in the bureaucracy, still functioning a year into the administration, is an anti-white law or anti-white directive that is still keeping white guys from getting the same loans that women and minorities would get.
00:42:15.780And so this is, again, and that's in something where we have control, theoretically, like we have won the victory.
00:42:22.500These people are aware of everything that's going on.
00:42:25.040They are trying to eliminate it and they can't even find like obvious giant programs in which they are preferring people who would never vote for them and hate their guts and want them dead over their own voters.
00:42:37.520So you think that's going somewhere in Virginia?
00:42:40.060I mean, you think Armie Dillon's going to get rid of that when it's literally happening inside her own administration?
00:42:46.100It really is insane that we continue to just, you know, this is one of those scenarios where the whole like it just needs to be blown up seems far more reasonable than pretending we're going to go around and root out every little bit of this stuff when it's baked so deeply into the system.
00:43:02.520Yeah, you know, there's a lot of I think there are some good because look, let's be clear.
00:43:09.220You know, the reason I read that passage, this is collaboration.
00:43:12.480Like if you look at these laws, like this is hard to, I didn't understand this, but the, like, what is the, like, how does the government work?
00:43:22.240The government is like, you could replace like 99% of the people who work for the work for the government are contracting employees.
00:43:30.480The government puts out bids and who wins the bid?