The Auron MacIntyre Show - DeSantis Quits, Endorses Trump ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist

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00:00:37.580 So the big news that I'm sure most people have already seen is that Ron DeSantis has dropped out of the GOP primary.

00:00:46.900 He is no longer in the hunt for that presidential seat.

00:00:50.660 Now, I think it was pretty obvious that this was coming after he canceled a number of appearances.

00:00:56.660 He wasn't going to be on some interviews with, I believe, CNN and others.

00:01:01.780 And it seemed very clear that after the loss of momentum in Iowa, that he was going to have a very difficult time finding a way forward for his campaign.

00:01:12.020 So joining me today to discuss all things Ron DeSantis and the GOP primary is the Prudentialist, everyone's favorite frog.

00:01:20.100 Thank you for joining me, sir.

00:01:21.660 Thanks for having me on again, Oren.

00:01:22.920 It's always a pleasure.

00:01:23.620 Absolutely.

00:01:24.940 You know, we have to do rank punditry, and that's why you're here.

00:01:30.040 You're here to suffer through the rank punditry with me.

00:01:33.200 We'll get back to some kind of theory soon, I promise, guys.

00:01:36.080 But this is important.

00:01:37.640 I think there's many lessons to learn from what happened with the Ron DeSantis campaign and what the GOP primary is going to look like going forward.

00:01:45.840 So I guess first things first, were you surprised at all?

00:01:50.540 I mean, I know you made the call on the show, but I have to do the were you surprised.

00:01:56.360 It's tradition at this point.

00:01:57.380 It is tradition every time I come on.

00:02:00.140 Well, I was surprised by how soon he dropped out.

00:02:02.860 I figured that he would have gotten a campaign shot in the arm after a second place finish in Iowa.

00:02:09.880 That might have rejuvenated him a little bit.

00:02:11.920 But I think after you look at the polls in New Hampshire, things were not looking good for him.

00:02:17.700 And I think that was sort of the death knell was that you can win one state pretty well.

00:02:21.680 But as soon as the race is being shaped by the press, that there's no way out for you.

00:02:27.300 I think Ryan James Gerdusky put out a great article talking about sort of these campaigns.

00:02:33.040 Now they all work for Ted Cruz in 2016 that this seemed like Ron DeSantis was the sort of Trumpism without the Trump, anti-Trump kind of movement that people wanted to have some alternative that wasn't the Nikki Haley's of the world.

00:02:48.400 But yeah, I'm only surprised by the timeline.

00:02:51.320 But to me, really, the bigger news out of all of this was apparently, you know, Senator Tim Scott is now engaged.

00:02:57.380 So, you know, you've got that going for you.

00:02:59.820 I thought that was bigger news than anything else.

00:03:02.020 That's one less confirmed bachelor in the Senate.

00:03:04.260 So, I mean, there you go.

00:03:05.780 Yeah, he got that.

00:03:07.760 He got that Charlie Crist marriage real quick.

00:03:12.220 I don't know if you remember that, but yeah, Charlie Crist back when he was governor.

00:03:15.660 Lindsey Graham, most effective.

00:03:17.520 Yeah, right.

00:03:20.520 Indeed.

00:03:20.960 But yeah, suddenly has that marriage just in time to possibly acquire himself a VP slot.

00:03:28.700 But, you know, no convenience there, I'm sure.

00:03:32.560 So, moving forward anyway.

00:03:35.400 So, yeah, I was also, I knew that the pressure was going to be on after the Iowa result.

00:03:41.140 I mean, yes, he came in ahead of Haley.

00:03:43.240 Now, it's sad that that even needed to be a question for his campaign.

00:03:46.980 Early on, Ron DeSantis was polling relatively close to Trump.

00:03:50.900 I mean, he's still losing, but his numbers looked competitive.

00:03:54.700 It looked like, you know, he had a chance in there.

00:03:57.940 Obviously, the story of his campaign has been the story of really falling numbers for him.

00:04:02.820 We'll get into why in a second.

00:04:04.680 But the fact that a second place finish just one point ahead of Haley looked okay kind of spoke to where his campaign had fallen to, how desperate it had become.

00:04:14.160 I think originally the plan for the DeSantis campaign was get him there, you know, beat Trump soundly or, you know, come in just behind to show that he could believe, to show that, you know, evangelical voters were kind of up for grabs,

00:04:28.080 that he could build momentum among some of those social conservatives that Trump might have lost due to kind of his positions on things like the pro-life issue or his general foibles in his personal life.

00:04:40.140 The people who are maybe uncomfortable with Donald Trump as a man would switch over to Ron DeSantis.

00:04:47.520 And then with that momentum, he would be able to show that he was the viable alternative, especially given Trump's many different problems when it came to legal issues, that kind of thing.

00:04:57.520 However, you expect him to hang in a little bit longer because now we're in a scenario which, you know, if for some reason Trump cannot run, obviously, you know, run, Ron DeSantis is not in the mix in a lot of ways.

00:05:12.000 I guess a lot of people would see it that way.

00:05:14.540 And so, yeah, you expected him to carry this a couple more states in before making that decision.

00:05:20.380 But I think you're right that after kind of looking at that performance and then looking at the possibility of the next couple states going forward,

00:05:26.860 it became clear that there just was a very, it would be very unlikely.

00:05:31.660 And to his credit, he did not drag this out.

00:05:34.260 He could have done that.

00:05:35.380 I think that could have been, could have damaged his political reputation a lot more.

00:05:42.220 And so he steps away at this moment, still has the chance to, I think, recuperate, kind of salvage that reputation,

00:05:49.920 make good on his governorship and still put himself in a strong place, a place much better than if he had continued to kind of kick and drag his way through multiple primaries.

00:06:00.080 He wasn't going to be victorious in and kind of bleed everything dry up to that point.

00:06:04.400 Yeah, I mean, the last time we had really had seen sort of these like last standing Republican nominate,

00:06:09.960 you know, people running for the nomination that we're going to win.

00:06:12.460 I remember John McCain and Governor, you know, Huckabee back in 2008.

00:06:18.040 That's some, some, some ancient history, politically speaking.

00:06:20.300 But I mean, it's important to sort of consider that.

00:06:22.060 We're wise old men here.

00:06:23.260 Well, some of us are.

00:06:24.860 But it does illustrate, I think, sort of that it is good that he didn't do that.

00:06:28.740 I don't agree with Charlie Kirk almost ever.

00:06:31.180 But I have to agree with Charlie Kirk when he said that, you know, hopefully DeSantis will like raise $120 million to help rejuvenate sort of the Trump campaign treasury and to pursue some kind of victory in 2024.

00:06:43.600 I think that that's a very good call on his end.

00:06:46.200 No, but it was, again, it's why there was so many like Ted Cruz staffers that were there with working in this area in Iowa in 2016.

00:06:54.060 Because anyone who was looking for a viable alternative or even trying to show that the Republican voter base might entertain an alternative was to have some kind of 2016 style Iowa caucuses result.

00:07:06.160 Because when you looked at the split in 2016 for Iowa, it was mainly split the three places were Ted Cruz, Donald Trump, and Marco Rubio.

00:07:15.880 And the split was like 27%, 24%, and like 22% between the three of them with Cruz and the win.

00:07:22.680 And because it was such a heavily divided, you know, voter base picking different options for where to go, that looked like your way forward.

00:07:29.260 And since there was no alternative besides Trump having a 30 point, he got over the percent, as we talked about the other week.

00:07:35.960 And now, you know, the other two were struggling to maintain 21, 22%.

00:07:39.840 There was no viable path forward.

00:07:42.860 And as Nikki Haley, unfortunately, is correct that this is a two person race that is between her and really the entire Republican establishment and the Democrats as well versus Trump in this instance.

00:07:54.760 I mean, there's been some weird things in the backdrop of this, like, you know, J.P. or is it J.P. Morgan?

00:08:00.400 Or is it whoever?

00:08:02.700 Yeah, with Jamie Dimon saying that, you know, Trump might have been crass, but mean tweet society was right.

00:08:08.560 And that sort of gives me a very strange sense of where things might go in this election.

00:08:12.780 But DeSantis, you know, when you and I had first met in person, one of the things that you had told me that, like, DeSantis has a high chance of ruining his political credibility by running against the heir apparent Donald Trump.

00:08:23.540 And, I mean, we've been lucky that Trump didn't debate on any of these Republican primary stages because, you know, Ron Sanctimonious and Lord knows what other kind of insults would have been thrown his way.

00:08:33.040 And he would have sort of autistically stumbled through that and managed that, which would have made it worse.

00:08:37.620 But it's over.

00:08:39.280 And now he had given a rather lackluster endorsement of Trump, but he was very much correct in saying that, you know, whatever happens next, the pathway of Nikki Haley should never be the option.

00:08:49.320 And that was the one good thing that he really said outside of getting community noted on Twitter for an alleged fake Winston Churchill quote.

00:08:58.180 Well, so I think I think it is.

00:09:01.360 And by the way, the only thing I miss about Trump not being in the debates is the Nikki Haley Trump interaction.

00:09:06.960 Like, what would that have looked like?

00:09:08.140 I don't could have been a moment.

00:09:10.080 Maybe we'll get one.

00:09:10.980 I pray that we do.

00:09:11.860 It's true.

00:09:12.280 But but yeah, I think there was a to be fair, a couple of good things that he said he rightly called Trump out when it came to his behavior during the pandemic.

00:09:23.320 I think that there was a failure of leadership Trump by Trump there.

00:09:27.340 Obviously, you know, Operation Warp Speed and its consequences are huge.

00:09:32.920 And I think it's I think it's right for people to hold him accountable and understand that there is a there is a degree of, you know, you're in that moment and it's never happened before.

00:09:45.340 And those choices are in many ways happening around you and being made for you.

00:09:49.660 But that's your part of your job as the executive is to step in and make that, you know, to stop that kind of thing and make that that critical change in the moment.

00:09:58.160 He did not do that.

00:09:59.060 So I think it's entirely fair for him to call him out on that.

00:10:02.840 And like you said, he stepped out and said, you know, whatever happens, no matter what my disagreements might be with Donald Trump, we can't go back to Nikki Haley.

00:10:11.960 We can't go back to the corporate GOP.

00:10:13.980 We can't go back to those things.

00:10:15.400 And this is why I said from the beginning, a lot of people, a lot of Trump supporters said, oh, DeSantis is controlled opposition.

00:10:23.060 He's entirely a piece of the system.

00:10:25.500 He's entirely, you know, an insider.

00:10:28.180 And I said, no, that that's not the case.

00:10:30.680 Like, I get it.

00:10:31.440 I understand why you would think that.

00:10:33.660 But I do think that DeSantis genuinely is coming at the system in his own way.

00:10:39.340 And while it might not be as successful as other certain strategies, it's it's still legitimate.

00:10:45.040 And I think that him showing his ability to step out and say, I still I'm going to endorse Trump.

00:10:52.420 I'm going to decry Haley, even though, you know, that that would be siding with with the establishment would would be the safe move there.

00:11:00.480 I think that that does show that he was somebody who was who's trying to run his own outsider campaign to a certain degree, even if it was it was less successful.

00:11:09.580 Well, absolutely.

00:11:10.580 I don't think that DeSantis was running some kind of, you know, I'm going to burn MAGA down, even though some of his supporters on Twitter might say that they're willing to do so.

00:11:19.320 Right.

00:11:19.540 No, I mean, like in that and DeSantis isn't like, you know, Dean Phillips.

00:11:22.660 He's not this like mugwump style character who's running on this like holier than thou sense of, you know, battling corruption or whatever.

00:11:29.820 I mean, he does have a proven track record as an executive.

00:11:32.100 And you of all people would know, being a Floridian, that, you know, from his skin of his teeth election victory in 2018 to recreating the state political machine and creating a sizable electoral victory to go in coalition in 2022 for his reelection.

00:11:47.520 That's nothing to bulk at.

00:11:48.980 And he's absolutely right to call Trump out on those things.

00:11:51.240 The question now becomes, what can he do to, you know, maintain a sort of this unity behind Trump in terms of the GOP electorate and making sure that Nikki Haley doesn't get it?

00:12:03.860 Because, again, I think there will be a lot of DeSantis staffers and campaigners and donors that either go back to Trump or seeing, you know, Trump as the worst of all alternatives, like we saw with 2016 and sort of the National Review types, that they'll throw their lot behind Nikki Haley.

00:12:19.540 And, I mean, I've said this before and other commentators have as well.

00:12:23.260 But, I mean, you saw those debates, especially the first few debates where it was a very packed stage.

00:12:27.300 And it was basically what the Republican Party looked like in 2012, you know, talking about taxes, talking about spending, talking about education, talking about things that have no real relation to the paradigm that we're currently in,

00:12:39.200 all while dressed like Donald Trump, all while trying to act like Donald Trump, without anything that Donald Trump talked about, which was, you know, bringing the economy back to the United States,

00:12:49.540 closing the border and actually making sure that America gets a relatively fair deal for its position on the world stage.

00:12:55.840 And so, you know, DeSantis dropping out, I hope that at least people can use his political machine or energy towards a more fruitful endeavor.

00:13:04.680 And we'll see how it affects, you know, New Hampshire.

00:13:08.140 Is that today or tomorrow?

00:13:10.020 I need to check.

00:13:11.340 I think it's Tuesday, but still does illustrate where we're at.

00:13:15.080 And good on DeSantis for, I think, doing the right thing, because dragging it out would have only hurt him and any sort of political future he has.

00:13:21.840 I know Florida's got that weird bit in the Constitution where there's no term limits, but you can't serve more than two terms in a row.

00:13:28.160 So we'll see what happens for his future.

00:13:30.700 Yeah, I want to go ahead and take this back to the beginning, because I think a lot of people are going to look at this campaign and they're going to say, what happened here?

00:13:40.360 Right. Like, this is a guy who had a lot of momentum.

00:13:44.000 He had a lot of buzz around him.

00:13:46.540 He was America's governor making big changes.

00:13:49.840 He was, you know, there was a lot of support for him in general in the party.

00:13:55.160 And there's going to be a postmortem that looks at this this campaign and says, you know, I've already seen some people on Twitter say, oh, this is, you know, that people will be studying this campaign for years to kind of figure out what went wrong.

00:14:06.420 But I don't think it's really that complicated.

00:14:08.680 So I remember because I was a God forgive me.

00:14:14.140 You know, it's going through the 12 steps.

00:14:15.700 I was a I was a journalist at the time.

00:14:18.280 I'm sorry.

00:14:19.400 I'm sorry.

00:14:19.960 I know.

00:14:20.540 I know.

00:14:21.140 Everyone's right.

00:14:21.780 What does it make you now?

00:14:22.900 Huh?

00:14:23.800 What does it make you now?

00:14:25.220 Reformed journalist.

00:14:26.480 You know, looking to settle down, you know.

00:14:30.260 But anyway, no, I was I was a journalist at the time.

00:14:37.020 And, you know, during that race against Andrew Gillum, DeSantis is is losing, right?

00:14:43.880 Is he's it's not looking good for him.

00:14:46.200 And Trump comes in and he does one of his rallies and he's coming through the state.

00:14:50.360 And I cover it because it comes through my area.

00:14:53.860 And, you know, I go there and I'm interviewing everybody.

00:14:57.200 And the energy is just insane.

00:14:59.460 Yeah, I've never seen anything like this.

00:15:01.920 I've been working in some capacity in politics for a very long time, like, you know, 17 years at this point in one way, shape or form.

00:15:13.260 And I had never seen that level of energy when someone's supposed to be coming in the room.

00:15:18.440 I mean, it felt like a football game on, you know, but like hyped up even more.

00:15:22.680 Everyone's there are people in costumes and body paint.

00:15:26.120 And they're, you know, they're they're wrapped around lines around a stadium full of people.

00:15:32.060 You can't you have to park, you know, 20 minutes away and walk the entire time just to get there with it, with the journalist badge and everything with it, with the press badge.

00:15:41.960 It's just insane a level of energy.

00:15:44.320 I remember standing in that press pit right next to the CNN guys.

00:15:49.760 And the whole place is just booing us, just chanting, you know, media sucks, media sucks, screaming at rightfully so.

00:15:57.200 You know, we had earned their ire 100 percent.

00:15:59.740 And, you know, you sit in that room and DeSantis comes in and again, you know, candidate, not a lot of people there are super excited about at that time.

00:16:10.040 But Trump is, you know, on stage and he's a, you know, look at this guy.

00:16:14.700 DeSantis is a great guy, amazing guy, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:17.740 Crowds roaring, screaming, blowing up.

00:16:20.380 Now, I know, you know, somewhere DeSantis supporters are going to be like, ah, that's not why he won.

00:16:25.440 And I'm pretty sure that's why, like, I'm pretty sure that those kind of, that final push with Trump certainly helped move him over the edge.

00:16:34.920 And in doing so, you know, Florida really dodged a bullet because obviously Andrew Gohm ended up with a gay prostitute and doing drugs.

00:16:46.240 So there was that.

00:16:48.780 But on top of that, obviously, DeSantis, despite not being a great campaigner, obviously at that time, it was very clear he was not the best campaigner.

00:16:58.260 He's not the most charismatic guy.

00:16:59.260 He's one heck of an executive.

00:17:00.940 But when he got into office, this guy was amazing, right?

00:17:04.660 He was he was knocking it down.

00:17:06.720 And, of course, in this moment, and this is where DeSantis supporters support him most and their right to do so, in the moment where Trump was failing, right?

00:17:15.640 Trump is falling behind.

00:17:17.300 Trump is not taking correct action.

00:17:19.780 DeSantis is stepping up, right?

00:17:21.320 He's stepping up and he's protecting the state against these different federal mandates, against these different requirements during COVID.

00:17:28.740 He's opening the schools.

00:17:30.260 He's getting rid of mask mandates.

00:17:32.160 He's blocking vaccine mandates.

00:17:34.080 He's working with the legislature to get all this stuff done.

00:17:37.240 He's refusing to go along with the hysteria, right?

00:17:40.640 So the quality of life that I had as a Floridian during the pandemic was just wildly different.

00:17:47.800 Like I was talking to people in New York and in California, and I was just living an entirely different life.

00:17:53.380 It was like they were living in North Korea and I was living in South Korea.

00:17:57.140 It was that stark of a contrast between the way that things were happening.

00:18:02.300 And so after that, he doesn't just step into this COVID moment, but he also steps into the culture war and in a way that Republicans have been told they can't get involved, you can't fight big businesses, you can't fight on these cultural issues.

00:18:18.260 You just cut taxes and shut up about everything else.

00:18:20.940 Instead, he steps in that breach and he's banning the indoctrination of kids in third grade while everyone else is talking about how this is the return of some kind of McCarthyism or something.

00:18:35.480 He doesn't care.

00:18:36.280 And he starts developing this ability to kind of speak to the press.

00:18:41.560 He's starting to get the Trump mannerisms down.

00:18:43.600 He's starting to tear down reporters and things.

00:18:46.260 He's building a skill set, right?

00:18:48.020 So this is an up and comer.

00:18:49.660 Everyone's excited about him.

00:18:51.260 Everybody loves him in the party.

00:18:52.740 And then, you know, you get the rumblings that he's going to run for president.

00:18:58.560 And I said it and like everybody else who cared was just like, don't do this, man.

00:19:06.760 Just don't do it.

00:19:08.300 Tell whoever is whispering in your ear to shut up.

00:19:12.500 Okay?

00:19:12.980 Like you are the heir apparent.

00:19:15.420 You are a force of nature.

00:19:17.160 You are showing GOP governors how to build a power base outside of Washington, reform the entire state.

00:19:25.440 You know, just there's a massive shift of people coming into the state who want to live there just because you're the governor and you are reshaping the political future of Florida.

00:19:35.060 It goes from being a purple state, you know, that is trending blue to a bright red state where he's like winning reelection in Miami-Dade.

00:19:43.900 Miami-Dade is going red.

00:19:45.240 Okay?

00:19:45.820 That is the amount of momentum he had built.

00:19:49.720 But somebody tells him, just run for president.

00:19:53.060 And it just, from there, you know, I was on, you know, the great Tom Woods show when he announced.

00:20:00.360 And he's like, what do you think is going to happen here?

00:20:02.620 He's like, he's going to run into a buzzsaw.

00:20:04.580 Like he's going to run into Trump and Trump's going to chipper this guy.

00:20:07.460 Like, like he's amazing.

00:20:09.520 But the things that make you a good executive are not the same things that make you a good national political candidate.

00:20:17.160 And yeah, that's one of the problems with democracy, but it's also just true.

00:20:21.540 And I think a lot of people who, they were sitting in the middle, right?

00:20:26.440 They, they didn't go completely never Trump.

00:20:28.580 They didn't do this Bill Kristol, you know, against Trump.

00:20:32.000 I'm jumping to the Democratic Party neocon thing, but they also were clearly very uncomfortable with Trump.

00:20:40.120 They never really liked it.

00:20:41.340 They got behind him because he wasn't a Democrat at the, you know, on the ticket, but they never liked him.

00:20:47.220 And they saw DeSantis as the way forward.

00:20:49.520 Okay, this is Trumpism without Trump, like you said.

00:20:52.120 And by, by embracing this guy, he's the competent one.

00:20:55.920 He's the one that the, the press is going to go easier on because he's not as crazy.

00:21:00.260 And so, you know, he's going to be able to step in and take this.

00:21:04.060 What do you think was that miscalculation?

00:21:06.420 Because I think a lot of people were very confident that you just take the most competent guy and you jam him in there.

00:21:12.540 Because that's how politics works.

00:21:14.300 Like a lot of very high level professionals were making this case.

00:21:18.440 I knew it was wrong.

00:21:19.820 I thought it was very clear that it was wrong.

00:21:21.780 What did they miss?

00:21:23.480 I think a lot of it has to just do with the charisma and media capability.

00:21:28.840 I mean, it does not matter that Trump is not a competent.

00:21:32.380 And this is something that, heaven forbid, even Richard Hanania got right, was that, you know, it does not matter what kind of executive you are.

00:21:40.860 How do you respond to the press?

00:21:42.840 Donald Trump, at least in an archetype, is a flaming orange middle finger to the American establishment, the American media,

00:21:49.780 and sort of what, you know, we would call the deep state or just Washington as is every day.

00:21:54.700 And that's a very powerful sort of, you know, kind of psychological attitude to just buy into.

00:22:00.700 And so, like, okay, great.

00:22:02.040 We threw a bull in the china shop.

00:22:03.820 But can that bull in the china shop run the china shop better?

00:22:06.540 And that was the question a lot of people were asking after 2020 and everything that had taken place there.

00:22:11.300 And so DeSantis looks like the great guy to do that, like a competent political machine, a heck of an executive building a way to, like, eliminate corruption in some of the bluest counties in the state of Florida.

00:22:21.900 And then he opens his mouth.

00:22:24.060 And I think, like, that's the big problem.

00:22:25.900 I mean, there are clip after clip after clip of him with awkward body language, unable to really put out a smile on the debate stage.

00:22:34.320 I mean, there was the whole bad lip reading about his time in Iowa, and when I hear the bad lip reading of him, and I find that to be more relatable than when DeSantis is trying to be relatable to, you know, families and kids and mothers and fathers, it really illustrates a big problem with your messaging and your ability to do so.

00:22:52.700 Now, historically speaking, when it comes to these sort of challenges in the primaries, that does not mean that your career is over.

00:22:58.600 I mean, Ronald Reagan had famously, you know, fought it out over Gerald Ford in 1976.

00:23:02.740 I mean, we had thought that Richard Nixon was done for good after failing, you know, and for to be the governor of California after losing 1960 election and would come back in 1968, not only be the president, but then win one of the largest reelections in 1972 shortly thereafter.

00:23:19.080 And so I don't think his career is done, but I do think that some of the biggest things to take away from this postmortem is going to be who your campaign online spokespeople are.

00:23:29.480 If I'm turned off by your campaign, by your avatars and your proxies alone, that's a huge issue.

00:23:36.560 You have to have some sort of human relatability.

00:23:39.640 I don't know what kind of like acting coach, you know, Curtis Yarvin has over the years, but maybe hire that guy, make you look a little more livable.

00:23:47.320 You know, I understand the whole sort of like autistic, literally me thing.

00:23:50.960 Like, unless you're going to lean into that, like learn how to be a better performer.

00:23:53.960 Uh, cause if not, you're, you're going to look as robotic and cringy as you did on the stage.

00:23:59.000 And then finally, you need to have some conviction.

00:24:01.700 And I don't mean that he doesn't have convictions or doesn't have deeply held beliefs, but there was no fire in him on the debate stage or what he says.

00:24:09.020 I mean, even his announcement to suspend his campaign, endorse Trump and criticize Trump was very, you know, monotone, very, very boring.

00:24:20.160 And that's my problem. This is that this is the money ball problem on paper.

00:24:24.740 This guy looks amazing. And then he steps up to the plate.

00:24:28.140 This is going to be a really important lesson for him in the future.

00:24:31.060 And I don't think he, I think if he manages to bury the hatchet with Trump and whatever of that sort of voter base that exists out there for him, which is like 75 plus million Americans.

00:24:41.700 DeSantis will be in a good position in the future.

00:24:44.060 And depending on if Trump decides to be dictator for a day or win the 2024 election, Lord only knows there's a bright spot in DeSantis's future.

00:24:51.640 It's just that everyone who's doing these postmortem should realize this is a competent executive who can be pushed probably further to the right than he already is and knows how to get things done to, you know, curtail bureaucracy, fight business,

00:25:05.140 and to ensure that your political machine wins elections in highly contested purple or blue areas outright.

00:25:11.540 So, I mean, at the end of the day, DeSantis is in a very strong position, I think, going forward.

00:25:16.420 And we're all kind of glad, as you had said, he didn't drag this out and further sully his his political future by by hanging in until the convention.

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00:25:55.720 Yeah, it's very weird.

00:25:57.100 So a couple of things I want to address there.

00:25:58.480 First, you said the online proxies, right?

00:26:00.640 And I'm with you that many DeSantis proxies were just.

00:26:05.520 I don't know who thought this was a good idea.

00:26:08.360 It was it was insane.

00:26:09.920 Like, don't get me wrong.

00:26:11.140 There are very annoying Trump proxies on on Twitter.

00:26:13.940 Like, like the existence of Laura Loomer still blows my mind.

00:26:18.980 But like there are very, very, very annoying people.

00:26:22.100 So I'm not saying, oh, this is just a DeSantis thing.

00:26:24.240 But there was it did seem like a concerted effort.

00:26:27.160 It seemed like a part of their plan to get like really hostile on Twitter.

00:26:31.800 And they thought that that was going to be the thing.

00:26:34.660 You know, anytime you question, like even when I would go out and say,

00:26:37.680 Ron DeSantis has done all these amazing things and I respect him and I think he's got a great

00:26:42.360 future and blah, blah, blah.

00:26:43.620 You still would just have endless number of people, you know, running or bots or whatever

00:26:47.740 they were running into your mentions and just complaining endlessly.

00:26:50.660 Now, I don't know how much that actually impacts the the primaries, because honestly, that feels

00:26:56.700 very online.

00:26:57.820 You know, like we're both very online.

00:26:59.520 You know, I get it.

00:27:00.220 Like we're going to see a lot more of that than the average person is.

00:27:03.320 So does that really impact his electability?

00:27:05.600 I don't know.

00:27:06.320 Maybe it does.

00:27:06.940 Maybe it doesn't.

00:27:07.760 Certainly doesn't help him.

00:27:09.100 It certainly wasn't a winning formula to win over pundits that disagreed or, you know,

00:27:14.040 influential media voices that could have been on his side.

00:27:17.820 Whoever at the very least, they failed in that very, very obviously.

00:27:21.660 But I don't know if it impacts the larger electorate.

00:27:24.580 I don't I don't think it does.

00:27:26.160 But I think you're right that this is still somebody who is very capable.

00:27:32.060 He's still in Florida until 2026.

00:27:35.080 He still has an opportunity to step up and show the people why they loved him in the first

00:27:42.940 place and avoid any serious damage.

00:27:46.120 And the fact that he stepped out when he did kept him from dragging all this through the

00:27:51.620 mud.

00:27:51.760 But I'm sure there was a lot of pressure to keep that money train rolling, keep paying

00:27:55.780 all these, you know, consultants and things, you know, keep doing that kind of thing.

00:28:00.320 But I think he stepped out at a wise time, which which keeps his career viable and allows

00:28:05.720 him to to kind of pick up that mantle yet again as America's governor.

00:28:10.540 And I want to step I want to talk about that a little more in a second, because I also want

00:28:13.960 to talk about what's happening with Greg Abbott and, you know, the possibility that these

00:28:18.400 two could join forces, you know, hopefully.

00:28:20.860 But but one thing that I think was very interesting, one dynamic was that a lot of the people who

00:28:29.860 are pro DeSantis kept saying, ignore the polls, right, which seems entirely reasonable, right?

00:28:36.140 We saw the way the polls were manipulated when it came to Trump's run, both in 2016 and 2020.

00:28:42.900 We see how far off the polls were dramatically.

00:28:47.440 And so it was something that always rang true to me with that.

00:28:50.620 They would say it's like, well, you didn't trust the polls when they were with Trump.

00:28:54.020 You are trusting the polls now when they're showing Trump beating DeSantis.

00:28:58.360 Aren't you just, you know, kind of flipping there?

00:29:00.840 But it seems actually that they were collect more correctly kind of viewing this election.

00:29:08.900 What do you think was the difference in this scenario where they were less accurate in

00:29:14.520 Trump's election, but they were more accurate with this primary reflecting the nature of this

00:29:19.620 primary?

00:29:19.940 I think it has a lot to do with the fact that there is sort of a incumbency advantage.

00:29:26.660 Just to put it, I mean, it's Donald Trump, who was president for four years, was aiming for

00:29:31.960 another term.

00:29:32.820 You know, he's trying to pull off something that has only happened once in American history

00:29:36.240 of running and, you know, having two terms non-consecutively.

00:29:39.960 And at the same time, there is, as we saw time and time again, after every indictment,

00:29:45.440 after every major kerfuffle in court, Donald Trump's poll numbers just shot up because it

00:29:50.420 shows to, you know, ordinary people and the voters and heaven forbid that I'm going to,

00:29:55.700 you know, consider democracy a little more seriously than I usually do.

00:29:58.680 But the people seem to see the transparency of, well, the whole system is against him.

00:30:03.180 How can I expect this to be anything but a witch hunt, as Trump had said during all of the

00:30:07.640 years in his time in office, as well as on the campaign trail?

00:30:11.460 I think DeSantis just not staying in for very long.

00:30:15.160 You know, I think it was very clear in the conversations he probably had with his campaign

00:30:18.940 staff that we could keep this going, but at what cost to a political future, as well as

00:30:24.840 what cost any future voters that we might want to court in 2028 or even in our home state of

00:30:30.020 Florida, because nothing was more embarrassing in 2016 than for Marco Rubio to stay on as long

00:30:35.660 as he did, and to get absolutely blown out of the water in his home state of Florida.

00:30:40.320 Don't get me wrong, I liked Marco Rubio back then.

00:30:42.800 He wasn't my guy, but I can respect what he was doing and the angle he was aiming for as a more

00:30:47.100 sort of non-neoconservative kind of realist foreign policy guy.

00:30:51.040 But, you know, after that, you don't want to, you don't have a future after your own state

00:30:55.260 rejects you and you're the state senator.

00:30:57.440 Yeah, that's a really good point about getting out before you get blown out in your own state.

00:31:01.740 That's very wise.

00:31:02.640 Yeah, so that's a big deal, I think, with this case.

00:31:05.380 Also, I think that a lot of people have learned maybe not to underestimate, you know, how people

00:31:11.200 feel about Trump.

00:31:12.260 I mean, and again, this goes back to what we said about Iowa, too, is that the media doesn't

00:31:16.660 talk about Trump.

00:31:17.420 Yeah, he has a few campaign appearances on television, but outside of sort of the Trump-centered

00:31:23.120 media sphere, the greater mainstream doesn't talk about him outside of the cases that are

00:31:28.980 built against him, what does Biden say about him, et cetera, et cetera.

00:31:33.160 So a lot of the attention has been focused on the other candidates.

00:31:35.960 And now that there is really just a two-person race between, you know, Nikki Haley and Donald

00:31:41.300 Trump, I think that DeSantis saw the writing on the wall and saying, listen, one guy is seemingly

00:31:47.080 the heir apparent.

00:31:47.820 And the only other people that are going against him are people that even I don't like.

00:31:53.260 So why paint myself in the same corner as Nikki Haley and the neocons and ruin my future?

00:31:59.720 So, you know, again, I think he has some, he's got political instincts.

00:32:02.800 He's got chops.

00:32:03.640 He may not have the charisma, but he knows what he's doing.

00:32:05.480 Like, yeah, it was interesting.

00:32:08.400 I tried to explain this to people so often, you know, because a lot of the things I've

00:32:13.340 heard from, again, DeSantis supporters were, oh, well, it was the indictments.

00:32:19.720 It's the indictments that, you know, elevated Trump, you know, the poll numbers were close

00:32:24.680 and then the indictments helped him pull away.

00:32:27.800 And if they hadn't done that, they're basically the media has chosen this, this candidate for

00:32:32.400 themselves, that kind of thing.

00:32:34.040 And I think that this is an easy way to kind of sell yourself on, on the idea that like,

00:32:40.880 well, there, there wasn't really a love for Trump here.

00:32:43.240 Right.

00:32:43.560 And it's, it's only this dynamic of, of the indictment that, that changed that.

00:32:49.060 But I don't think that these, again, if you're looking at the system, I, and I always said

00:32:54.100 this from the beginning, if you think the system needs to be destroyed, Trump's your guy.

00:32:58.140 And if you think that the system needs to be reformed, DeSantis is your guy.

00:33:01.740 And I'll get a lot of people, oh, you think Trump's going to destroy the system?

00:33:04.880 Look at how, you know, much he, he ended up bending the knee.

00:33:07.800 Look at it.

00:33:08.140 It's like, no, that's not what I mean.

00:33:09.840 I mean, the energy behind Trump, the support behind Trump, the things you need to read behind

00:33:15.060 the surface level, you know, you know, just what's on paper.

00:33:18.180 All that energy is destroy the system and all the energy behind the, you know, Ron DeSantis

00:33:24.320 was reform the system energy.

00:33:25.900 And I get that DeSantis was more capable and, you know, maybe that is the key, but I really

00:33:32.020 doubt it.

00:33:32.520 Like I look, looking at the situation, I think that what people didn't understand was that

00:33:37.500 Trump really tapped into something about American identity that activated the voter base in a

00:33:44.280 way that just had not existed for so long, people who were just dying of thirst got a

00:33:50.100 drop of water.

00:33:50.920 And even though Trump didn't really convert that successfully.

00:33:54.380 And I think that, you know, the, that the voter base deserves somebody better than Trump

00:33:59.440 still, that that's just the guy that they're locked into.

00:34:03.420 And you couldn't explain this political dynamic to a lot of people.

00:34:06.380 They just got stuck into like, but the ones and the zeros, I've got spreadsheets that show

00:34:10.460 me DeSantis is the guy and it's like, it doesn't matter if he's the guy or not, he's going to

00:34:14.700 lose.

00:34:15.420 And you have to, like, you need to have the level of political, like you want to play in

00:34:19.620 a world where democracy chooses the best candidate or the most capable candidate, but that's not

00:34:24.520 where you are.

00:34:25.580 And so if you're in the, if you're a professional political consultant or pundit or whatever,

00:34:30.740 you should have a more realistic understanding of the situation you're in.

00:34:35.920 And you can't seem to rent, you know, kind of read this situation.

00:34:39.660 And that's a real problem.

00:34:40.660 And you're going to have to be able to do it if you want to be able to figure this out

00:34:44.140 going forward.

00:34:45.220 I don't know if those lessons are learned.

00:34:46.860 I don't know if these people are just going to double down and go back to screaming, never

00:34:50.220 Trump or, or not, but it's a dynamic that you need to understand if you want to know

00:34:55.080 what moment you're in.

00:34:56.140 And it seems like some people just refuse to do it.

00:34:59.100 Well, like I said, it's that money ball situation.

00:35:01.460 Like I understand on paper, he is the guy, right?

00:35:05.480 I, you want a competent team.

00:35:06.900 You want people to gut the state, you know, make sure that you can run the ship right and,

00:35:12.220 you know, have morning in America again.

00:35:14.060 But I think you said it perfectly.

00:35:15.520 And this undercuts the divide between what you would call liberals who tend to be conservative

00:35:20.700 and people who have woken up and have smelled the coffee roast that is burning on that pot

00:35:26.400 that you left on overnight, which is, I don't know if you can reform the ship.

00:35:30.280 And that's, that's the big thing.

00:35:31.740 Do you, do you have Trump in there as the middle finger again?

00:35:34.120 Is he going to have the project 2025 guys is going to be dictator for a day?

00:35:37.780 No, but the fact that people are latching onto that or even agreeing with his positions

00:35:42.160 on immigration, where he is allegedly quoting someone from the 1930s and forties on that issue.

00:35:47.400 And the Republican base agrees with him on like an 85 to 15% margin.

00:35:52.500 You know, there's, there's a crown in the mud that someone could pick up.

00:35:56.260 And for a lot of the American voters, which is sometimes an insult, sometimes a good thing.

00:36:02.820 They, you know, they want him to pick up that crown or at least someone in his administration

00:36:06.380 to pick up that crown.

00:36:07.940 And that's why I think when we look at elections and we look at these campaigns, you should

00:36:11.400 always be looking at the people who are going to be working on the sides.

00:36:15.880 You know, the, the one good thing I've noticed is that, you know, he doesn't have,

00:36:18.640 you know, Kushner around him.

00:36:22.100 He doesn't have a Bill Stipey in the guy that was his campaign manager in 2020.

00:36:25.880 I haven't seen him really lean into the, the platinum plan or any sort of the, the pandering

00:36:31.380 that he has done in the past in 2020.

00:36:34.580 I mean, yeah, he does talk about the unemployment rate or talk about those things.

00:36:37.420 But again, you know, he, he is running as the opposition candidate.

00:36:41.200 I mean, he is the alternative to Joe Biden.

00:36:43.000 He was the alternative to Joe Biden in the establishment in 2020.

00:36:46.640 And now things are far worse than they were in 2020, even in the midst of the COVID crisis.

00:36:50.980 So I think Trump, at least to some extent, has an idea of what time it is in terms of

00:36:55.820 his campaign, even if he doesn't give off that vibe, but the actions of his, of his staff

00:37:01.340 and so on, give me the indication that he is.

00:37:03.780 And so DeSantis dropping out, I think he did the right thing early.

00:37:07.120 And as we said, you know, he's, he's got lessons to learn.

00:37:10.360 And I think he will learn those lessons because if I were Ron and I look at my performance and

00:37:15.440 I look at the video footage and I have like an after action report, I would be like cringing

00:37:20.100 and trying to turn into like, you know, this tiny little like shell under a rock or whatever.

00:37:24.540 Cause I'd be pretty embarrassed myself if I went on the air and I was just like, you

00:37:30.220 know, incapable of charisma or a smile like he was, but I do have hope for him in the future.

00:37:35.880 And I hope that, and I've said this before and others too, is that Ron DeSantis, when

00:37:40.720 he acts as the governor of Florida, other Republicans take notice, whether it's governor

00:37:46.640 Stitt in Oklahoma or my governor, Greg Abbott in Texas, they look at what he's doing and

00:37:51.680 they go for it.

00:37:52.540 I mean, he was the one who did the whole Martha's Vineyard thing.

00:37:55.380 Greg Abbott and the other started following shortly thereafter.

00:37:57.940 I mean, that has its own issues, but when DeSantis does something, the other Republican

00:38:02.360 governors act.

00:38:03.320 And if he wants to turn the, you know, state of Florida into like, you know, renewing the

00:38:09.220 Knights of the Golden Circle or something, I'm all for it, but know your place, I guess,

00:38:13.540 in that instance, and your best place of being effective is in the castle you've already

00:38:17.940 built, which is the state of Florida.

00:38:20.040 Yeah, that was the thing is, you know, I said this because I predicted it, you know, a while

00:38:25.540 back is like, a lot of people are going to come out and they're going to look at these

00:38:29.160 results and they're just going to lecture the voters.

00:38:32.300 They're going to say, oh, the voters have failed me, right?

00:38:34.960 It's instead of looking at their priors, instead of thinking to themselves, what did I not

00:38:39.860 understand about the dynamics at play?

00:38:42.920 It's just like, well, the voters failed me.

00:38:44.940 And don't get me wrong, again, I'm not the biggest, you know, democracy enjoyer.

00:38:49.900 So I get it.

00:38:50.760 Like, I understand why, you know, you want to kind of say that, but that's it.

00:38:58.320 You know who these people are.

00:39:00.000 It's your job to predict and understand what's going on.

00:39:04.500 You have to look at the reality on the ground.

00:39:06.840 You have to look at the dynamics of your candidate.

00:39:09.560 You have to look at just basically the historical moment you're in and understand that you are

00:39:14.540 running into something that is just going to is going to wreck you.

00:39:18.300 But like you said, I think to DeSantis's credit, he gets out in time to kind of save his his

00:39:24.460 stature in the rate in the party.

00:39:26.920 He has the ability to go back to Florida, make some some impressive moves and kind of rebuild

00:39:34.160 that credibility and perhaps learn to transition his public persona, his ability to kind of

00:39:41.400 kind of act on the campaign trail or learns that maybe he's the best best to be behind

00:39:46.600 the guy.

00:39:47.200 You know, maybe maybe that's the lesson he learns.

00:39:49.380 But either way, I think it is important that he stepped out at the time he did.

00:39:53.360 And more importantly, far more importantly, the most important thing he said, never Nikki

00:39:58.140 Haley.

00:39:58.680 Right.

00:39:58.880 And that is incredibly important.

00:40:02.000 I'm so glad that he said that we need to get rid of the Nikki Haley wing of the party.

00:40:07.600 We don't need to be running around pushing kind of this corporate GOP anymore.

00:40:13.940 And as if to immediately prove Ron DeSantis right, Nikki Haley decided to say this on NBC.

00:40:21.900 We were the only Indian family in our small southern town.

00:40:28.060 I was teased every day for being brown.

00:40:33.020 So anyone that wants to question it can go back and look at what I've said on how hard

00:40:39.140 it was to grow up in the deep south as a brown girl.

00:40:42.180 So Nikki Haley is for those who might have forgotten, Nikki Haley is about to be in a

00:40:51.320 primary in South Carolina, her home state, the state she's talking about right there.

00:40:56.620 Right.

00:40:56.980 She's responding to the question, her inability to say that slavery was part of the Civil War,

00:41:04.420 whatever her forgetting to say it was the primary cause of the Civil War.

00:41:08.000 And she's defending herself by saying, of course, I know what racism is.

00:41:11.940 I grew up in the deep south and she's just indistinguishable from the left.

00:41:17.440 Right.

00:41:17.600 She's just the DEI conservatism, Nikki Haley.

00:41:21.180 You know, we need a woman to run this thing.

00:41:23.120 I, my, my high heels reload my guns or whatever she was saying.

00:41:28.920 And then, you know, by the way, I know I'm running in a primary in my home state in a couple

00:41:34.040 of weeks, but I want you guys to know that I agree with you, the liberal media.

00:41:38.000 On how incredibly racist my home state is.

00:41:43.020 And that's the most important thing you should know before I go ask for the vote of the people

00:41:47.600 who made me governor.

00:41:48.860 Just, just an amazing reminder of what the GOP is the vast majority of time.

00:41:54.460 To be honest, we're, we're just spoiled between DeSantis and Trump because this is, this is

00:41:58.920 what we've been fed for decades.

00:42:01.300 Yeah.

00:42:01.700 When my, when my, uh, when I'm in a hating white people challenge and my opponent is

00:42:05.840 Nikki Haley, I mean, it's, it's, it's a hard competition and it just, I mean, honestly

00:42:10.540 though, it raises the question, like who, what is that statement for other than for me to

00:42:14.600 just call you like call center Hillary point?

00:42:17.680 Like you're talking about racial issues in the deep South.

00:42:20.740 You got rid of the Confederate flag and the original state's flag that was there while

00:42:24.360 you were governor.

00:42:25.220 You had done really, I mean, you were given sort of one of the, I can't say it's a useless

00:42:29.220 job because historically it's been helpful in regards to like the Cuban missile crisis,

00:42:32.640 but you were the ambassador to the UN.

00:42:34.520 You're the embodiment of sort of the neoconservative political ideology.

00:42:37.780 So it's just like, why?

00:42:39.420 Other than to know that there is a deeply moneyed interest in America that hates the American

00:42:43.720 voter, hates the people that Nikki Haley had once represented and wishes to represent the

00:42:48.260 entirety of the country.

00:42:49.500 So what, what, what, what good point am I doing here?

00:42:52.580 I mean, even it was funny when someone was like, well, good thing.

00:42:55.340 No one cares what Senator Rand Paul thinks when he did the whole never Nikki website.

00:42:59.180 But, uh, I'm sorry to say, I, I liked Rand Paul a lot.

00:43:02.440 He was my guy in 2016.

00:43:03.700 I have no problem admitting it, but at the end of the day, right?

00:43:06.700 Like, uh, no one should be on board for a woman that is basically just the slightly,

00:43:13.720 um, diverse version of Hillary Clinton.

00:43:16.800 No one should want that.

00:43:18.280 No one in their right mind should want that outside of like Bill Kristol and some very wealthy

00:43:22.960 people that already hated Donald Trump and hated people like you and me to begin with.

00:43:27.260 Yeah.

00:43:27.820 Fisher King here had a, had a great tweet.

00:43:29.880 I thought he said, Nikki Haley embodies the bankruptcy of the spoil system we've put in

00:43:34.280 place in this multicultural society.

00:43:36.180 She changed her name and religion and speaks with a Southern accent to fit in, but she employs

00:43:40.880 her ethnic heritage strategically when it suits her once it both ways.

00:43:46.280 And that's it, right?

00:43:47.380 That this is the GOP in the nutshell.

00:43:48.680 We need to find candidates that take every one of these, you know, boxes so they can be

00:43:54.420 impervious to, uh, the standards and the, the, the, the slings of the left.

00:43:59.760 But of course the minute that they get themselves into any kind of problem, all of a sudden, all

00:44:04.580 of those trappings, those conservatives trappings fall away.

00:44:07.320 And actually it turns out that this person was really in their heart of hearts, a minority,

00:44:12.300 a beleaguered minority after all, appealing to the racism narrative of the left.

00:44:17.500 Yeah.

00:44:18.000 And I mean, this is, this is the big deal that you've talked about with the neocon cycle

00:44:21.860 or really just how things move leftward.

00:44:23.640 If you have any remotely conservative instinct, please do not pursue the approval of people

00:44:28.580 that hate your guts.

00:44:29.460 And as Michael Malice says, once you dead, but we'll settle for your submission.

00:44:32.720 It's not worth it.

00:44:33.720 It's not going to be worth it.

00:44:35.080 And this is just illustrates at the end of the day, like why does Trump have the power

00:44:39.140 that he does over the American people, especially towards his electorate?

00:44:42.500 It's simple.

00:44:43.400 It's just that he actually speaks to their interest.

00:44:45.900 And I know that that gets to be a very touchy subject as we've talked about things with the

00:44:49.200 Washington Post, like multiracial whiteness where people vote for Trump because he speaks

00:44:52.680 to jobs and immigration.

00:44:54.280 But when even people in the Rio Grande Valley who historically voted Democrat all their life

00:44:59.480 swung in the opposite direction for Donald Trump on the issues of the economy, making sure

00:45:03.720 that things were good at home and to reduce immigration, all of a sudden you realize that,

00:45:08.320 yeah, maybe that multiracial whiteness might be the winning strategy for the GOP rather

00:45:12.380 than constantly pandering to people that never vote for you.

00:45:15.400 Time and time again, this is the case with Republicans desperate.

00:45:18.580 I mean, this was a big part of Trump's failing, too, with the platinum plan or trying to sell

00:45:21.780 Operation Warp Speed as some sort of success.

00:45:24.020 That's not why the people voted for you in 2016.

00:45:26.600 That's not why you trounced over 15 other Republicans who are seasoned political operators

00:45:32.920 in that election cycle.

00:45:35.280 You won because you spoke to the issues that for the longest time Americans never got to

00:45:41.060 hear on the stage, whether it was about immigration, whether it was about the fact that the demographics

00:45:45.400 of the country are changing or that you have an entire bureaucracy that is explicitly designed

00:45:49.880 to make Americans' life worse.

00:45:52.740 And so, yeah, Trump is going to be the guy that speaks to that.

00:45:55.480 I mean, is he going to do it effectively?

00:45:56.960 I mean, you can definitely say that his first term had a lot of problems, but he is sort

00:46:00.920 of that American id, you know.

00:46:03.340 He is there just speaking and acting on that impulse, and he's got pretty good instincts.

00:46:07.540 Let's not kid ourselves.

00:46:08.680 And if they do have a debate, you know, I sincerely hope that that's what he does, is that he just

00:46:13.820 calls, well, he called her Nimbra, but I mean, I hope that, you know, Nimrata Haley, who

00:46:18.800 changed her name, changed her religion, allegedly cheated on her husband more than once in the

00:46:22.860 backdrop of all this, you know, gets called out as the Hillary Clinton of the Republican

00:46:27.400 Party, because that's exactly what she is.

00:46:29.520 And Trump is right to focus on the issues of immigration and of trade, because I don't

00:46:36.360 know if you saw the news, but in the whole midst of all these battles over the southern

00:46:40.260 border and Texas trying to rebel, the Supreme Court sided with Biden, saying that, you know,

00:46:44.840 Customs and Border Patrol can cut the razor wire and let the immigrants in, facilitating,

00:46:48.940 as even DeSantis called his concession speech, the invasion of the United States.

00:46:55.560 Absolutely.

00:46:56.140 It's amazing.

00:46:56.840 You know, my entire life, my entire life, the GOP for decades has been trying to win

00:47:05.280 in the United States, has been trying to become or, you know, are they even trying is another

00:47:10.900 question.

00:47:11.500 But in theory, they've been trying to win by acquiring a voter base that would make the

00:47:15.900 New York Times happy, right?

00:47:18.340 Just so they could be praised about their multiculturalism and about their focus on diversity.

00:47:24.040 And that is just lost and lost and lost and lost and lost.

00:47:28.680 And then watching someone say, no, we're just Americans and we just love America.

00:47:33.560 And if you end up here and you end up, you know, being part of America, then you're incredibly

00:47:38.060 lucky and we're happy to have you.

00:47:40.120 But we're not doing we're not doing this thing where we're pandering to every constituency.

00:47:44.740 That was the way forward.

00:47:46.160 And yeah, we just hopefully Trump learns that lesson and doesn't go back to this.

00:47:50.240 You know, every every GOP politician or pundit or, you know, advisor seems to think that

00:47:56.280 they're going to be the one guy who's like, we'll outflank the left by winning over one

00:48:00.000 of these minorities.

00:48:00.720 And it hasn't worked yet.

00:48:02.900 And yet, you know, or at least not with the attitude of pandering to them.

00:48:05.980 And that's really the key there.

00:48:08.000 But I want to get to what you were just mentioning with the battle between Texas and the federal

00:48:13.520 government, because, of course, this is something that DeSantis was pushing, right?

00:48:19.320 He was pushing the envelope on this.

00:48:21.920 He was the one spurring people forward, like you're talking about, Greg Abbott, you know,

00:48:25.940 inspiring them.

00:48:26.860 A lot of people had their own had their problems with them bussing immigrants north.

00:48:31.600 I don't understand why people think that, like, the geographical location is the problem,

00:48:36.520 but whatever.

00:48:37.380 The point is that whether you like that strategy or not, obviously, it has spurred further interest

00:48:43.400 in defying the federal government and taking individual state level action on the immigration

00:48:50.020 question.

00:48:50.620 And this is what we need, because this is what's actually going to solve this problem.

00:48:54.000 Like, I really hope that, like, Trump wins and, you know, these guys take over Washington

00:48:58.580 and they reform the bureaucracy and significant changes are done and the border is secured.

00:49:04.240 But the truth is that's probably not going to happen, whether you got DeSantis or Trump

00:49:08.860 in.

00:49:09.800 And the problem is going to continue to persist through multiple administrations.

00:49:14.680 The only way this gets solved is if the governors of the actual states involved put armed people

00:49:20.260 on the border and turn people around.

00:49:22.600 And it looks like Texas is actually taking steps to do that with Eagle Pass.

00:49:28.400 So what's going on with Greg Abbott?

00:49:30.600 Is this real action?

00:49:32.040 Is this something that could be expanded?

00:49:33.540 What's going on?

00:49:34.760 So Governor Greg Abbott, of course, is this is more focusing on Eagle Pass.

00:49:39.260 But he is basically said that he is doing everything that he can at the border with the exception

00:49:44.740 of shooting people.

00:49:46.540 So I which, of course, that remark got some some flack, because if you're an extreme person

00:49:51.840 on the immigration, you're like, oh, so you're not doing enough.

00:49:53.900 And then the rest are just like, well, that sounds pretty militant and anti-humane and everything

00:49:58.140 like that.

00:49:58.800 But Texas Governor Greg Abbott has been trying to transform, you know, the state policy to

00:50:04.720 say there was a law passed in December, which goes into effect into March.

00:50:08.620 But he has already mobilized the Texas State Guard.

00:50:11.120 So the state's military institution, not just the National Guard, to keep people away from

00:50:18.040 the border and to keep people, particularly, you know, the Department of Homeland Security

00:50:22.780 from going to the border and from allowing people to do exactly what the Border Patrol under

00:50:29.480 this administration has been doing, which has been facilitating the invasion of millions

00:50:33.380 of people into the United States.

00:50:35.240 And they've reentered, you know, they've already done catch and release again.

00:50:37.880 There are some people who don't have court dates in the United States for immigration

00:50:42.600 court until 2031.

00:50:45.200 So long after Biden would be out of office if he won another term.

00:50:49.260 And this is a big issue on this respect.

00:50:52.580 So, you know, at least Biden is trying to deter the federal government from doing so.

00:50:57.120 He has not, I don't think, put out a statement as far as I know yet in the midst of the Supreme

00:51:01.200 Court news.

00:51:02.300 But this is exactly what he's been doing with riot shields, pushing people away, putting fencing

00:51:07.320 up, trying to keep the federal government away from this, from the border.

00:51:13.760 And, you know, now that the Supreme Court has made its decision, Governor Greg Abbott has

00:51:18.440 a choice.

00:51:19.160 He can tell the feds to pound sand or he can comply with the law.

00:51:24.960 And I hope that he wheels up to the occasion and does exactly what is necessary and tell the

00:51:30.060 federal government no.

00:51:30.940 I mean, Secretary Mayorkas used to be on the board of one of the largest immigrant, you

00:51:37.860 know, affiliate groups in the world for humanitarian issues and immigration, which has helped spend

00:51:42.980 millions of dollars to bring people into this country.

00:51:46.040 So Greg Abbott is doing, I think, the right thing and go out of the way to ensure that people

00:51:52.060 who are coming from all over the world, it's not just Mexico, it's not just Central and South

00:51:55.720 America, Africa, China, people from the Middle East, they shouldn't be here to begin with.

00:52:01.220 And Greg Abbott is at least putting up the fight that is necessary to say, no, we're not going to

00:52:06.780 do this.

00:52:07.600 And we're not going to ensure that the Biden administration does not have access to this

00:52:11.900 two and a half mile stretch of the Rio Grande where the razor wire has been erected.

00:52:15.960 And this is the challenge that the Supreme Court said on a five to four basis with the, you know,

00:52:23.460 Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Roberts, and Amy Coney Barrett,

00:52:27.960 siding with the liberals and doing so.

00:52:31.440 So the city-owned Park and Eagle Pass, which had used eminent domain to be seized.

00:52:36.440 Again, it all depends now on what Greg Abbott does.

00:52:39.740 Does he tell the federal government to enforce their law and to enforce this ruling?

00:52:44.440 Or is he just going to comply?

00:52:46.560 And I certainly hope that he resists as much as he can, because all that that court did was

00:52:51.900 just say that treason is acceptable.

00:52:54.360 Yeah, you have to have leaders who are willing to stand up and do what's right and protect

00:53:00.420 the country from an invasion.

00:53:02.400 That's all there is to it.

00:53:03.460 These are these are real hours.

00:53:04.880 Like you said, these are these are real crown in the gutter hours.

00:53:08.020 And a desperate nation is simply looking for a class of men who can leave.

00:53:13.720 And let's hope that Greg Abbott continues to be one of those.

00:53:18.840 Let's hope that Ron DeSantis returns to Florida and resumes his his stature as one of those.

00:53:24.840 Let's hope that these guys spur each other onward to greater courage and inspire other GOP

00:53:32.020 governors to do likewise.

00:53:33.860 We don't have time.

00:53:35.360 The the the invasion of this country is real.

00:53:38.120 It's malicious.

00:53:39.780 It's being facilitated by people who hate this country.

00:53:43.780 And we need governors.

00:53:45.780 We need leaders who will act at the state level to stop this.

00:53:50.420 And so, yeah, good.

00:53:52.040 Godspeed, you know, Greg Abbott.

00:53:53.900 And then I hope that you only expand this, that the other governors do likewise and that

00:53:58.660 we see real change in this area.

00:54:01.660 All right.

00:54:02.020 Well, we're going to go ahead and move over to the questions of the people.

00:54:05.420 But before we do, Mr. Prudentialist, where do people find your excellent work?

00:54:10.760 They can find me over on YouTube, Twitter, Telegram.

00:54:13.360 And if they want to know exactly where I'm at, they can find me at findmyfriends.net slash

00:54:17.300 the Prudentialist.

00:54:17.940 It has all of my links.

00:54:19.240 I am on all podcast platforms as well as on here.

00:54:22.400 And I'll have a new video out on my YouTube channel tomorrow with our good friend Dimes from

00:54:26.820 the podcast Blood Satellite.

00:54:28.900 We're going to be looking at how social media affects our perception of time and communication

00:54:32.960 as we sort of move into a post-literate society.

00:54:35.220 But I was just looking up where Greg Abbott is, and he hasn't put out a statement yet

00:54:38.600 because Greg Abbott is currently on an economic mission to India.

00:54:41.920 So that's a little concerning.

00:54:44.840 And here we are.

00:54:46.540 But yes, on to the questions of the people.

00:54:48.700 Yes.

00:54:49.660 All right.

00:54:50.680 So Deuce Boogaloo says, primary answer in the regime is the regime utilized unprecedented

00:54:58.960 power to martyr Trump.

00:55:01.020 Polls were narrow after the DeSantis-led Florida 2020 red tsunami versus Trump's incessant 2020

00:55:08.380 whining and swing endorsing failures until the indictments.

00:55:14.860 Again, yeah, you're not the only person to make that point.

00:55:19.920 I think it is certainly true that Trump has failed repeatedly with his recommendations.

00:55:26.980 It's very clear that that's been a disastrous thing for him.

00:55:30.280 Could have been true that he was losing enough momentum on that issue.

00:55:34.060 However, I don't think that the regime probably went out of their way to make Trump their candidate.

00:55:41.260 I know a lot of people believe that.

00:55:42.740 They think that that's the conspiracy there.

00:55:44.780 I think that Trump truly is something that terrifies them.

00:55:47.520 Not so much Trump, but what is behind Trump.

00:55:49.920 The sentiment that is behind Trump, the danger of kind of what lies behind that support for

00:55:57.260 the regime, I think is the reason that they felt the need and felt compelled, kind of purity

00:56:02.360 spiral and attempt to get rid of Trump.

00:56:05.760 You can assume that that was an orchestration.

00:56:09.400 I guess you'd be going with the AA, the academic agent theory that the elites have far more control

00:56:16.360 over themselves and this is all 40 chess.

00:56:19.380 I'm pretty sure that no 40 chess exists in our elite class.

00:56:23.520 They're just simply not, not disciplined enough to do that.

00:56:26.820 But I understand where that sentiment comes from.

00:56:29.220 Well, I mean, there was, he does have a lot of issues.

00:56:32.160 I think that also Republicans were just generally unprepared how to respond to the SCOTUS news when

00:56:38.860 it came to the returning of a pre-Roe world where it was back to the states.

00:56:43.380 And also, you know, the Republican Party can talk about candidate quality all at once, but

00:56:46.960 no one wants to vote for people like Dr. Oz.

00:56:49.720 Like when you lose to a man, much like Biden, who had a, has severe mental faculties being

00:56:55.380 compromised and you lose out to that guy.

00:56:57.700 Uh, I'm sorry.

00:56:58.980 This is like John Ashcroft losing to a dead guy.

00:57:01.680 This is pathetic.

00:57:02.960 Uh, and yeah, Trump has some bad political instincts, but I think that with, and Vivek

00:57:07.980 of all people called it out, like, you know, we, we got trounced in 2022.

00:57:11.400 They don't know how to do voter outreach as effectively as they thought they did.

00:57:15.260 And, um, the, the unprecedented power to, to martyr Trump.

00:57:19.400 Sure.

00:57:19.740 But at the end of the day, those indictments and trying to go after him, they're hubris to

00:57:24.020 put Trump in jail and to get their mugshots.

00:57:26.660 All that it has done is boost a man that, you know, may have the worst political instincts

00:57:31.560 on earth, but he also knows how to speak to the American people.

00:57:34.500 Yeah, it really is that, that their, their desire to, to accelerate in order to punish

00:57:41.580 Trump is, is really the dynamic there.

00:57:44.220 If you, if you don't see that dynamic, I understand why you get confused about the Trump thing,

00:57:48.980 but it really is the, the critical thing to understand there.

00:57:51.760 Uh, so Tismo prime says, ah, yes, the homies.

00:57:55.880 Yes.

00:57:56.180 The homies are all here.

00:57:57.800 Thank you for joining us.

00:57:59.880 Uh, John Carter says, Tim Scott's wife may become the second lady of the United States,

00:58:04.880 but Tim's, she certainly the first lady.

00:58:10.100 Uh, creeper weirdo says, no guys, you don't get it.

00:58:13.120 The deep state wants Trump to win.

00:58:15.140 Uh, then they want to put the woke away and the rock becomes president in 2028 or 2028.

00:58:21.160 Why doesn't anyone believe me?

00:58:23.320 Uh, yeah, that, that is a real line of thought that is developing.

00:58:26.860 Uh, I don't know.

00:58:28.240 I've, I've made my case against it, uh, with now the only thing to do is wait and see and

00:58:32.720 receive my cigar.

00:58:34.020 I think the, the, the woke gets put away when conservatives are successfully contained in

00:58:39.140 that neocon cycle to ensure that, you know, some other pet issue that isn't a civilizational

00:58:44.940 risk to your survival as a nation or a people is the, the mainstay issue.

00:58:49.100 But you know, uh, the woke can't be put away.

00:58:51.960 Our opposition to it can only be put away.

00:58:54.920 Indeed.

00:58:55.980 Trey Daniels says it's, uh, it's Jover for DeSantis.

00:59:00.220 He was so close and yet so far, but he's done.

00:59:03.400 He blew all his political capital in one horrendous campaign.

00:59:06.860 Again.

00:59:07.460 Yeah.

00:59:07.720 I don't think his political capital is over.

00:59:10.060 I don't think his career is over.

00:59:12.040 Uh, I think that's, that's a little too much.

00:59:14.320 I know a lot of people are trying to spike the football in the end zone on this one.

00:59:17.840 I get it.

00:59:18.420 Uh, but Prudentials and I agree on this one.

00:59:21.160 I think that the DeSantis got out in time to kind of save his, his, uh, political future

00:59:26.860 and be able to build up a portfolio once again.

00:59:30.260 It is however, very clear that the campaign was not great.

00:59:34.100 And, uh, there's a lot of people in very serious denial about that.

00:59:36.900 And I don't know why, uh, again, it's very confusing to me.

00:59:40.800 I guess, I guess it's important for you to save face.

00:59:44.020 I don't know.

00:59:44.680 I guess that's the answer, but if you're a professional and your job is to correctly

00:59:49.160 predict the future, don't Jim Cramer yourself.

00:59:52.160 I don't, I don't know.

00:59:53.120 I don't know what to tell people.

00:59:54.460 I mean, Jim Cramer is still making money.

00:59:55.800 So maybe that is the goal.

00:59:57.040 Maybe.

00:59:57.720 I'm still waiting on Bill Mitchell to deactivate his Twitter account, man.

01:00:01.180 You know, like I loved how he's, uh, legalized his way out of that one.

01:00:05.720 But yeah, I mean, uh, I don't think it's over for DeSantis, but it's going to take a

01:00:09.900 hot minute for some of those political operatives and campaign spokespeople to recover their,

01:00:14.700 their reputation.

01:00:15.460 But hey, you know, some people are happy to try and destroy whatever MAGA means to them

01:00:20.140 or work for RFK Jr.

01:00:21.600 You know, we're, we're going to witness people jump all over the political compass because

01:00:24.740 of this.

01:00:25.180 So time will only tell.

01:00:26.780 True.

01:00:26.840 Uh, turtle says, I like DeSantis and I'm wary of Trump, but it seems to be, uh, bitter

01:00:32.800 thinking, or, but some seem to be bitter, uh, thinking DeSantis was the way to avoid the

01:00:38.120 treatment from the regime.

01:00:39.340 Definitely untrue.

01:00:40.300 Yeah.

01:00:40.480 I think that is really important for people to understand.

01:00:43.740 There was this, there's this delusional idea that if DeSantis went, oh, well, then they'll

01:00:48.420 go easier on this guy.

01:00:49.840 They'll, they won't pull out the stops.

01:00:51.580 Now I do think there is something unique about Trump that accelerates things to another level,

01:00:55.540 but yeah, no, they still would have been talking about how DeSantis was, you know, wanting

01:00:59.400 to do things that I will not say to keep YouTube from, from flagging anything, but they would

01:01:06.060 have accused DeSantis of all kinds of insane, uh, things, especially given his history with

01:01:11.640 the, with the, uh, protection of children in, in Florida, they would have accused him

01:01:16.080 of all kinds of insane things saying he was threatening the existence of, of certain groups.

01:01:20.780 And it would have been just as insane to try to keep him out of the white house.

01:01:25.540 I believe.

01:01:26.380 Yeah.

01:01:26.920 Let, let's not forget that they, they went out of their way to call John McCain of all

01:01:31.260 people, mid-century German.

01:01:33.240 I mean, come on, let's, let's not get ourselves.

01:01:37.260 Paladin YYZ, uh, says this should teach DeSantis a valuable lesson.

01:01:41.660 Maybe next time he will show more support for Israel.

01:01:44.680 Yeah.

01:01:45.020 I don't know.

01:01:46.600 I don't know if it's possible to show more support.

01:01:49.020 You know, what's the, uh, what's the MTV meme?

01:01:52.540 I got support for Israel.

01:01:53.820 I heard you like support for Israel.

01:01:55.800 So I got you some more support for Israel, support for Israel.

01:01:59.200 Uh, couldn't tell you.

01:02:01.280 Uh, Paladin YYZ, uh, maybe Pru can attest to this.

01:02:04.640 I wish that GW was a good governor.

01:02:06.900 Uh, would not have, uh, would not have been that bad if it lost the run for president

01:02:12.100 and come back home where he belonged.

01:02:14.760 Oh, do you, uh, GW, uh, was a good governor.

01:02:17.900 Not any law.

01:02:18.920 Oh, for George, uh, George W. Bush.

01:02:21.320 Right, right.

01:02:21.720 That's what you're referring.

01:02:22.300 Okay.

01:02:22.560 Okay.

01:02:22.800 Uh, well, I'll be honest.

01:02:24.900 I do not know enough about how George W. Bush was the governor of Texas.

01:02:28.220 He was a governor while I was a small child.

01:02:30.980 Sorry to give away my age there.

01:02:32.380 I'm not as old as, uh, some people like to think that I am, but, uh, I couldn't tell

01:02:36.940 you.

01:02:37.180 It would be a fun thing to look at when you go back on the history of his record as governor,

01:02:40.500 but considering how things played out in the, in the white house, I, I don't think I would

01:02:44.780 have wanted no child left behind, but for Texas or some Medicare part D, but for Texas,

01:02:49.700 I'm not sure how I feel about that.

01:02:51.000 Uh, Watt here says DeSantis should have that term limit thing removed while he has the

01:02:57.080 power and declare himself King of Florida and give up on national politics.

01:03:00.760 Yeah, that was always true.

01:03:01.880 There's this weird thing where people are like, well, of course he's got to run for president.

01:03:04.980 He's term limited in Florida.

01:03:06.080 It's like, well, first he just won reelection.

01:03:08.420 So he still had a whole term to, to govern, but also he got the, uh, he got the resigned

01:03:15.640 to run law dropped in Florida specifically.

01:03:18.340 So he could run for president.

01:03:19.800 If he has the ability to do that, he probably could have swung the, you know, some term limit

01:03:25.300 extensions or some, you know, some alteration there.

01:03:28.140 I think that one is constitutional, but I still got a feeling he had enough political capital

01:03:32.460 to spend it that way.

01:03:33.800 Obviously his strength is in the governance of Florida.

01:03:36.660 I think that is where he's going to rebuild this power base.

01:03:39.540 I hope he can do that as long as possible.

01:03:41.320 And I hope that other governors learn from his example, life of Brian says, Pedro Gonzalez.

01:03:47.100 Now that the DeSantis campaign is over, I signed a contract for the next season of how my balls.

01:03:52.580 Yeah.

01:03:52.760 I mean, rough, rough for, for Pedro.

01:03:55.540 I've had Pedro on the show several times.

01:03:57.880 We definitely disagreed over, uh, on who's going to win this again.

01:04:02.080 And I, I, I hesitate to even call myself a Trump supporter guys, not big on democracy.

01:04:07.380 I don't think Trump's that great a guy.

01:04:09.200 I could, I could just see which way things were going no matter what.

01:04:12.640 So there's just no reason to, to lie about like what was going to happen.

01:04:18.020 It's not about who is even the best though.

01:04:20.340 I think there are, there were reasons that there was an advantage to a Trump candidacy.

01:04:24.680 Uh, but, but yeah, I, I just could not go, I could not go along with that.

01:04:29.700 I think, I think the, the wins, uh, were obvious for those that were paying attention to them.

01:04:34.640 And, uh, I think, I think that's kind of how things shook out.

01:04:37.320 I mean, I understand being as someone who's worked political campaigns, I understand taking

01:04:41.920 money and supporting people that may not have the best chance, but you're there to do a job.

01:04:45.520 I, I would just respect people a lot more if they were honest and saying, I'm doing this

01:04:49.920 because I'm getting paid to do it rather than to make it personal and petty and bloody.

01:04:54.680 And nasty, but again, that's unfortunately the way a lot of these campaign people type go

01:04:59.600 and wherever he goes next, I mean, good luck, but I think that, uh, you burned more bridges

01:05:05.040 than you realize.

01:05:07.540 Uh, Jacob Zendel says the dissent, the disintegration of the DeSantis campaign reminds me of the Kennedy

01:05:13.200 Nixon debate.

01:05:13.860 How much better do you think DeSantis would have performed if he was taller, better looking,

01:05:17.420 less awkward.

01:05:18.360 So obviously like just the, the, uh, you can mog DeSantis on height or whatever.

01:05:23.560 I don't think it's that big of an issue though.

01:05:25.160 Obviously it certainly helps.

01:05:26.420 There's just an innate part of people that, that is going to vote for that.

01:05:29.920 George Washington leads cause he's tall, right?

01:05:32.600 A thing.

01:05:33.580 However, um, I think that there, there was just a stiltedness to his communication.

01:05:39.600 I think that was very obvious from the beginning.

01:05:42.160 Uh, I think he probably would have been better just leaning into that and being like, yeah,

01:05:46.440 I'm a little awkward.

01:05:47.620 And then I destroy my enemies.

01:05:48.980 Like, I think that would have been probably better than him trying to like hug kids at

01:05:52.980 the County fair or, you know, whatever.

01:05:54.520 Like, I just, I don't think that that was ever going to be his strong suit.

01:05:58.260 I think he, he should have been prepared for that hole in his game, especially going into

01:06:03.120 a campaign against somebody like Trump.

01:06:05.360 Uh, just knowing that was, that was where he was going to be.

01:06:08.660 Yeah.

01:06:09.080 I mean, like the last president we had that was a five foot nine was, was Harry S. Truman.

01:06:13.440 And so, I mean, we're, we're a height centered media focused society.

01:06:17.660 Like if you had just owned up to it or never wore those heels to begin with, I mean, Rand

01:06:21.560 Paul ran for president.

01:06:22.600 He's like five foot nine as well.

01:06:24.320 And just, just don't, don't give ammunition to people that are going to relentlessly mock you.

01:06:29.520 I mean, it helps immensely.

01:06:31.340 Just, just don't, just don't do it.

01:06:33.620 Just don't do it.

01:06:34.160 What about the manlet theory of history though?

01:06:36.100 Right?

01:06:36.340 Like the, like five, eight guys get things done, right?

01:06:38.440 They got the chip on their shoulder.

01:06:39.620 It's the five, seven guys.

01:06:40.960 Oh, so Dyskentis is too tall.

01:06:42.640 He's too tall.

01:06:43.900 You know, you're letting it five foot seven, a certain, you know, Putin was like, I think

01:06:48.180 it's like five foot eight, five foot seven.

01:06:50.020 Joseph Stalin was like five foot five.

01:06:52.180 You know, Trotsky was under six feet.

01:06:53.920 Like, listen, like the manlet theory of history has got some good points.

01:06:56.560 It's just, they all happen to be terrible, like revolutionary leaders from communist

01:07:01.660 block countries.

01:07:02.760 So, um, be, be mindful of that, Ron.

01:07:05.460 You don't want to be a leftist.

01:07:06.520 Uh, life of Brian says DeSantis is one 80 on your crane, very weak response to the indictments

01:07:11.680 and poor house record and his lies about running all, uh, at all sealed his loss.

01:07:16.880 Um, you know, it's interesting, I would say of all of those things for me, Ukraine would

01:07:22.120 have been the one that was, it was, he did kind of, it was very clear.

01:07:26.100 He was trying to walk the line of, well, we'd have to be very circumspect in our mission

01:07:31.400 and we wouldn't put people on the ground.

01:07:34.420 So per se, you know, it was a lot of like, I'm going to hold people accountable, but never

01:07:39.260 a definitive, I'm going to keep us out of this war.

01:07:41.300 And I think if he had spoke more forcefully in that moment, that would have helped him.

01:07:46.220 I'm not sure about the rest.

01:07:47.420 I don't know if his response to the indictments hurt him again.

01:07:49.860 I think he kind of walked the line on that where he said they shouldn't be involved.

01:07:53.220 You know, what else is he going to say?

01:07:54.360 He's running against the man, right?

01:07:55.640 Like, which probably you probably just shouldn't run against the man, but if you're going to

01:07:59.060 like saying, okay, well they shouldn't be indicted, this is wrong, but at the same

01:08:03.200 time, this makes him, uh, the wrong candidate.

01:08:05.640 Like, I think that's the correct tack.

01:08:06.900 So I would say the Ukraine one is fair, but I'm not sure his indictment response sealed

01:08:11.320 the deal.

01:08:12.160 No, his indictment response was pretty poor.

01:08:14.360 I mean, when you're getting outshined by Vivek, which again, raises own questions about what

01:08:18.960 Vivek's role was during this campaign.

01:08:20.260 Yeah, I was going to say.

01:08:21.380 Like, I, uh, I'm afraid he might be some sort of, um, uh, middle manager similar to, uh,

01:08:27.160 how so much of the tech sector has been regards to Trump campaign.

01:08:29.880 But I mean, at least others during the, you know, either didn't say anything or didn't,

01:08:34.820 or were supportive of, of being against the weaponization of, of the law affair process

01:08:39.120 was the copy they use.

01:08:40.220 But I don't think too many people brought up his house record at all outside of, I think

01:08:44.120 maybe Scott Greer, but outside of that, almost nobody that I can think of off the top of my

01:08:48.840 head.

01:08:49.220 But, uh, again, like when you're coming out of the gate, you should be saying, these are

01:08:53.440 my positions.

01:08:53.920 This is where I stand.

01:08:55.160 I'm open to change my mind on the availability of new evidence.

01:08:57.780 But yeah, again, you have to, you have to be direct with your messaging.

01:09:01.080 Don't, don't have the flop sweat.

01:09:02.760 Ben Dover says, why are the forward and introduction in political theology by Schmidt, as long as

01:09:09.140 the actual book, Christ is King, Christ is King indeed.

01:09:12.220 Uh, yeah.

01:09:12.560 The reason they're that long is that the, uh, the essay itself is only like 70 pages and

01:09:18.360 they needed to sell you a book for $30.

01:09:20.640 And so they padded it out.

01:09:22.440 Uh, it's just like every, uh, every copy of art of war or the prince has like three different

01:09:27.660 commentaries, a forward, uh, you know, an introduction, uh, and, and two other episodes.

01:09:32.760 Essays written by another professor.

01:09:34.100 So they can actually charge you for what otherwise would just be a leaflet.

01:09:38.100 Yeah.

01:09:38.600 Remember anytime that a book has been translated into English, there's the translator's note,

01:09:42.780 the editor's note, especially with Carl Schmidt, they have to explain why it's important to

01:09:46.680 read him and despite his association, you know, so you get what you get with that.

01:09:51.560 Yeah.

01:09:52.180 They, they gotta, they can't, they can't just sell you a 70 page book.

01:09:55.100 So they gotta, they gotta, they gotta pad it out.

01:09:57.100 Cooper Weir says the woke will be put away when Hassan Piker puts it away.

01:10:01.320 I'm not budging on that.

01:10:03.640 I don't know anything about Hassan Piker anyway.

01:10:06.140 If, well, no, what's he?

01:10:07.880 No, it was destiny who recently had the marital problem.

01:10:10.520 So I mean, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:12.420 No, the woke will be put away when Hassan Piker decides to fight Sam Hyde and get his

01:10:16.140 lights knocked out.

01:10:17.400 But until then, you know.

01:10:20.120 Uh, Flipplar says, I think Trump wins, but I don't see, but I don't see some able and willing

01:10:24.720 to carry that torch after him.

01:10:26.580 It will be interesting, right?

01:10:28.020 The, the most interesting question now is since Trump is pretty much obviously the nominee

01:10:33.340 at this point, uh, what does that mean?

01:10:35.560 Uh, he is leading Biden in many polls, but how reliable are those polls?

01:10:40.220 What will happen after the indictments?

01:10:41.760 Will he be removed from the ballots?

01:10:43.780 There are so many questions.

01:10:45.160 And if he wins, can't even govern.

01:10:48.160 I mean, I'm, my bet would be if Trump wins that you should bet on some pretty serious

01:10:54.200 left-wing violence.

01:10:55.540 Uh, Paul Gottfried wrote a very good, uh, article for the blaze, a piece on, on the probability

01:11:01.780 of this.

01:11:02.360 I think he's entirely right on that.

01:11:04.160 Um, and I think you should, should brace yourself because I think if, if Trump does manage to

01:11:08.500 win through all this, uh, the left will not take it well.

01:11:12.260 Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:13.100 I mean, whatever, if whatever we see in this year or next, if Trump wins, I mean, 2020 was

01:11:20.000 a good example that if the state really wants to, they can facilitate violence, violent

01:11:24.340 mobs.

01:11:24.960 They can drop off pallets of bricks and bats and shields and weapons.

01:11:28.360 They coordinate with Antifa.

01:11:30.060 They have paramilitary organizations ready to go to support leftist causes.

01:11:34.820 Uh, you know, everyone was making their memes about Alex Garland's civil war movie, but

01:11:38.940 I hate to break it to you.

01:11:39.880 You're already in one.

01:11:40.820 Um, there's, uh, Oh, lost my super chance there.

01:11:45.920 Uh, let's see.

01:11:47.160 Uh, Machiavelli, uh, or Machiavelli sucks to go says prude based gun safe.

01:11:54.260 Yeah.

01:11:54.520 I, you know, mine, mine's in a different room.

01:11:56.920 I live the, the, the incredibly based background there, uh, making sure you get the gun safe.

01:12:01.140 Oh, I live in a cabin in the woods, so it's not like I have a lot of room to put things

01:12:04.740 out of view.

01:12:05.240 And then we have, uh, capitalismo says, uh, hopefully Abbott is in India to learn about

01:12:13.640 their policy for illegal immigration to assign citizens tests, prison and deportation and

01:12:19.700 exchange of border control from India.

01:12:21.800 Is that the, the, the, well, you know, they, they have that policy, how they like police

01:12:26.720 the border they have with China where there's no guns.

01:12:29.180 They just beat each other with sticks.

01:12:30.460 That's not a bad idea either.

01:12:31.980 You know, like I'm okay with it.

01:12:34.760 I'm okay with it, but no, he's there for some economic mission right now, but why it's important

01:12:38.340 to do it.

01:12:39.360 And, uh, yeah, he just tweeted 14 minutes ago to talk about his energy partnership with

01:12:43.040 Texas and India, and he's not reacted at all to the Supreme court ruling.

01:12:47.000 Uh, Greg Abbott, this is your chance.

01:12:49.020 Literally just say we cannot in good conscience, allow the federal government to encourage something

01:12:53.940 that violates the laws and sovereignty of the United States.

01:12:56.320 We are not going to let them in.

01:12:58.000 That's all I have to do.

01:12:58.840 That's all I have to do.

01:12:59.440 And then rule is King of Texas.

01:13:01.140 It's yes.

01:13:01.940 People will support you guys.

01:13:04.280 People will do.

01:13:05.300 You will have the loyalty of people.

01:13:07.520 If you just act to protect the country, I promise don't listen to anyone else.

01:13:13.200 I promise this.

01:13:14.340 You just protect the country.

01:13:15.640 People will love you.

01:13:17.160 Life of Brian says, uh, what, uh, what's more likely the GOP reforming or dying out and

01:13:24.060 being replaced like the Tories.

01:13:25.620 I mean, GOP to Linda S, you know, right?

01:13:28.320 Like this, you know, the GOP, if, if it disappeared tomorrow, uh, that would be a huge problem for

01:13:34.780 the regime because it's a tool of control.

01:13:37.000 Uh, I don't think it'll go away for that reason.

01:13:39.320 I think they'll continue to prop it up even as they, there's this weird dichotomy where

01:13:43.940 some people in the, in the machine know that they need that legitimate, semi-legitimate,

01:13:49.820 uh, opposition to keep the, kind of keep the charade going.

01:13:53.680 But an increasing number of people on the left actually believe their own propaganda.

01:13:58.180 They've actually drank their own Kool-Aid and they really think that they need to go

01:14:01.320 ahead and just basically turn America into a one-party state to save democracy.

01:14:06.280 Like that on ironically, they believe that's true.

01:14:09.100 And the question is really which one of those forces is going to win.

01:14:12.580 Uh, and I probably think it's the latter, but.

01:14:15.720 Yeah.

01:14:16.180 I mean, either which way there will be some sort of Tory equivalent existence of controlled

01:14:21.200 opposition of the United States, whether it goes under the banner of the grand old party

01:14:24.440 or, or something new, we're still in, uh, we're, we're entering a new phase of the party

01:14:29.500 system in America.

01:14:30.440 So we'll, we'll see what emerges out of it.

01:14:33.020 Yeah.

01:14:33.440 I don't think, uh, I did a video a long time ago on Curtis Yarvin's essay on the, the two

01:14:38.100 party state, um, and the, the one party state and, uh, you know, kind of, kind of the two

01:14:43.180 story state, the one story state.

01:14:44.760 I think that's still pretty relevant.

01:14:46.360 So if you want to go back and check that out, I think that'll help answer that problem for

01:14:49.620 you.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 22, 2024

DeSantis Quits, Endorses Trump ｜ Guest： The Prudentialist ｜ 1⧸22⧸24

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