The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 11, 2023


Did Modernity Destroy Meaning？ ｜ Guest： Scott Mannion ｜ 7⧸11⧸23


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Director Scott Mannion joins me to talk about why people don't understand narrative the way they used to, and how we can reclaim meaning in the world today. He also talks about his career in Hollywood and how he got into the film industry.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this evening. I've got a great stream with a
00:00:04.740 great guest I think you're really going to enjoy. So joining me this evening is Scott Mannion. He
00:00:10.700 is a filmmaker and he has a great YouTube channel where he spends a lot of time talking about
00:00:16.520 meaning, narrative, being, kind of where our identities and where our kind of cultures come
00:00:23.440 from and how to understand the world around us. Scott, thanks for joining me. My pleasure, man.
00:00:28.540 Thanks for the invitation. Absolutely. So Scott is going to be talking with me about kind of
00:00:33.000 modernity, meaning why people don't understand narrative the way that they used to and how
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00:02:07.560 And guys, before we get started today, I just wanted to let you know that on Friday,
00:02:12.220 The Blaze is going to be teaming up with the Family Leadership Summit. There's going to be a
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00:02:24.700 the Republican side. Tucker Carlson is going to be making his first appearance since he was,
00:02:30.480 you know, kind of left Fox. It's his first public appearance, and he will be interviewing all of the
00:02:35.840 candidates there, including people like Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley and others. And he'll also be
00:02:41.880 doing an exclusive interview with Glenn Beck on Blaze TV. So if you want to watch that,
00:02:47.660 you can go ahead and go to, let me see, I have the website here, blazemediasummit.com,
00:02:53.480 and you can use the promo code SUMMIT to get $30 off of the subscription there. I'll also be at
00:03:00.060 that event. Actually, I'll be anchoring the Blaze news desk there for a little bit during that in
00:03:06.280 between the different candidates, giving some commentary there. So if you want to catch all
00:03:09.280 that, again, you can go to the blazemediasummit.com. All right, Scott, so let's go ahead and jump
00:03:15.480 into this. Now, I wasn't aware of this until recently, but you have a background in filmmaking.
00:03:22.680 Can you tell me a little bit about how you got interested in that and how that kind of connects
00:03:26.460 with your work now? Well, I worked in the industry for 15 years in various roles.
00:03:33.860 Did second unit directing. I sold a spec in Hollywood to a company called Benderspink,
00:03:39.500 spec screenplay, right? And I made a film called The Defector, which is a Cold War drama.
00:03:45.200 Oscar winner Russell Boyd shot, was the cinematographer on it. The Tinker Tailor Soldier
00:03:49.820 Spy team did the visual effects and all the grain and such like that. So it was a world-class
00:03:55.420 movie. And I won a Directors Guild Award, an AU Directors Guild Award for that. So that
00:04:01.760 essentially is where I came from. And what I recognized in that world is how corrupt it was
00:04:09.180 when I received public funding and from the inside is that everything that was being advertised
00:04:13.080 by this industry, even at festivals, as competitions weren't really competitions. And it was just
00:04:19.740 a breeding ground for ideological grifting and possession, basically. But also to go around
00:04:30.300 at cocktail parties and say, ah, look at the message that I've enlightened with the movie
00:04:35.660 that I picked, that I funded, right? And even studios themselves, the same sort of thing really
00:04:40.680 is that that's how they, if they've put out this great movie, what's good for them? They didn't make
00:04:47.260 it. They just funded it, right? But if they said, I brought this to your awareness, I brought this
00:04:52.100 message that's in this movie. Movies aren't supposed to have themes. They're not supposed to.
00:04:56.380 So you write them in the first draft and you only discover it after that. So if you start
00:05:02.200 off with a theme, and this is what they do in agencies, right? They teach from the agency
00:05:06.000 level up. When you're giving coverage, that's what you do in the mailroom at an agency, right?
00:05:11.060 At UTA and CAA. You go, right, what's the theme of this movie? And those people, what's the
00:05:17.020 message, right? The message, right? And so those people end up studio executives as well.
00:05:21.180 So, and that's, so it was unique and easy for that to be possessed completely, but it
00:05:26.900 was always degenerate. The liberal infection has been there for a long time, right? Sort
00:05:31.800 of degenerating America from underneath. And you start to notice this, the more you look
00:05:36.580 into the thinkers in our space, you see it in the movies. So in a way it's better now
00:05:41.380 that woke is really in our face because the audience gets red pilled. The audience comes
00:05:46.240 to look for parallel shows like this and hopefully a new emergent parallel film industry. But
00:05:52.700 in that, being in that industry and recognizing just how bad it was, drove me to look for the
00:06:01.980 anchor of deeply who we are. What are we? Where do we come from? What's the ground of
00:06:06.860 our language? What's the ground of meaning for the people? Is it in folk? Is it ethnic?
00:06:11.400 What is it? Where does this come from? Where do we come from? And so that started the deep
00:06:16.520 investigation that I began with my project, Greenwood, where I moved from in this individualistic
00:06:22.340 art, which is in a way art shouldn't be, it's more a collective thing, but to a duty, which
00:06:28.380 was, okay, we're in big trouble. And I've never done anything more rewarding than all the other
00:06:34.720 work I've done. Uh, I've never had, yeah, it's, it's completely changed my life doing
00:06:40.100 that. And even though it's put all work at risk, right. And it's a financial, uh, you
00:06:45.760 know, risk and all that stuff. It's, uh, I, I would, wouldn't rather be doing anything
00:06:50.920 else. Now I've discovered that we're looking for the ground of meaning and having that imbue
00:06:55.460 me with itself. Uh, right. Looking into the, uh, Englishness for instance, or, you know,
00:07:00.620 for an American American this. Yeah. As somebody who's been in that world for so long, what
00:07:06.820 do you think it is? I mean, a lot of people look at the film industry and, and they say,
00:07:11.680 you know, why can't conservatives make this kind of thing? Why can't right-wingers make
00:07:16.120 good entertainment like this? Do you think it's a lack or that, is that just not the disposition
00:07:21.360 of many people on the right? Is that a lack of funding? Is that a lack of, uh, you know,
00:07:25.800 creativity, the ability to say certain things? What is it do you think that holds back the
00:07:30.440 right from making a more narrative art that way? It's probably a lot of different things.
00:07:37.360 One is there's a lot of great, um, reactionaries that have the appropriate personality distribution
00:07:43.100 like myself, like a Kino corner. It's a bunch of other guys that are really good, but perhaps
00:07:50.080 those people might scare the more conservative types, which have the distribution, like you
00:07:54.460 mentioned just then, really, they have a conservative distribution that aren't good at, uh, making
00:07:59.760 art, right. That aren't good at disclosing something that's at the edge of intelligibility
00:08:03.660 in the culture. And so they're probably more, uh, it's harder for them to put money into
00:08:10.240 something. And I, even people like Dinesh D'Souza talked about this, uh, uh, originally it was,
00:08:15.960 uh, conservative types with their money aren't willing to put, uh, dump in billions of dollars 0.95
00:08:20.680 like, um, Anna Pura is, uh, that, uh, what's her name? The daughter of Oracle, you know, Oracle, 0.96
00:08:27.600 the software, she's a, runs a production company, but they just dump money into things. Right. Uh,
00:08:32.700 whereas we are the conservative side just weren't willing to, cause it's not in the distribution
00:08:37.520 to just throw money down the toilet. It has to be an investment. Right. So there's many things that go
00:08:44.140 into that, but you are right when someone like Peter Thiel does say, well, some of it,
00:08:49.000 people just aren't that good. Um, right. And so they were just complaining cause they were
00:08:53.220 conservatives and they just weren't that good. And that can be true. I'd say like half the time.
00:08:56.640 So, but he is wrong. There's definitely a problem in, uh, having a talent, um, vacuum to bring people
00:09:03.900 in, uh, and fund the people that are a bit more dangerous. But I think the key is for people with
00:09:09.520 money is to look for people that have the distribution that's high in openness that are
00:09:13.980 reactionary on our side. NRX is a great people in this sphere that, uh, you know, that come on your
00:09:19.180 show. It's a great, uh, that's the talent pool you want to fund because NRX is a perfect flag and
00:09:27.160 signal for people that are reactionary that come to it through reason that don't perhaps have the
00:09:31.800 conservative distribution. But yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think we're
00:09:37.960 starting to see that. I mean, I don't know if you've, uh, paid any attention to like the passage
00:09:41.520 prize, uh, or, you know, some, some of these other creative outlets, but I think there are people
00:09:48.180 in that sphere that are pulling a lot of people together who have that distribution, have that
00:09:53.660 sensibility, uh, have, have the ability to make art that way. And so I hope that continues. I think
00:10:00.500 you're right that it is a mix of things, but I think we are seeing, uh, some of those people come to
00:10:04.880 the forefront and make the right connections and hopefully, uh, you know, they kind of continue
00:10:08.500 forward before we get into, to what the big topic here, I wanted to get your opinion about one other
00:10:14.020 thing. We just had, uh, this sound of freedom movie come out. I don't know if you've paid any
00:10:19.440 attention to kind of the, the hubbub around that, but all these liberal outlets got very angry. Uh,
00:10:25.460 you know, this movie with, uh, Jim Caviezel, you know, it's, it's about, uh, you know, true story
00:10:30.400 about this guy who, you know, goes to South America and ends up saving a lot of children
00:10:35.460 from sex trafficking. And, uh, apparently this movie got made and then Disney shelved it when
00:10:41.220 they bought 20th century Fox and they just didn't want to release it or refuse to release
00:10:44.500 it. And now all these people are very angry at, you know, at the movie coming out. They're
00:10:49.580 saying, Oh, it's QAnon. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's a right wing conspiracy theory. And
00:10:53.380 it's like, no, it's actually just this like story about, you know, a guy doing the hardest
00:10:59.380 thing in the world heroically. Like how, how can you not be behind it? Like, what does
00:11:04.080 that say about a culture when a story like that, a movie like that is rejected by so much
00:11:10.120 of the mainstream with, when they fight so hard to try to stop a story like that from,
00:11:14.920 from seeing the light of day?
00:11:17.300 Yeah. I think it's probably more about who it is that's in it. If it was Tom Cruise,
00:11:22.060 it probably would have just been completely ignored. Right. Is he, is he a distinctly Christian 0.68
00:11:26.700 in the movie? He certainly is though. It's, it's not preachy about it. I actually just
00:11:32.000 got to finally see it today. And it's, it's, it's pretty well, it's well done. Like, it's
00:11:36.520 not like a, it's not like a corny, you know, faith-based movie that, that is leaning entirely
00:11:41.980 on kind of it's, it's a Christian, you know, altar call at the end. Like it's a, it's a well
00:11:47.720 done movie. It's got a good story. It was originally, I think it was originally produced
00:11:51.400 under 20th century Fox. So it was, it was meant for release by a major studio initially.
00:11:56.980 Yeah. Um, you know, so, so obviously like there's allusions to his Christianity, but
00:12:01.080 that it's not a, it's not a, it's not him just preaching the whole time or something
00:12:04.940 like that.
00:12:05.780 Yeah. Well, it's interesting that, um, cause people think you see that with the, this is
00:12:11.220 an old point. People have talked about it, but you know, you have the Christian streaming
00:12:14.140 services, the Christian movies, and they'd be just so on the nose with it. Right. Um, but
00:12:18.180 what I think it's really simple is that you just look to Tolkien is that he, he recognized
00:12:22.620 how to do this. It's just simply you imbue yourself so much with the culture and what
00:12:26.780 it is. And then you just try to, uh, within that tell a good story, right. To do the work
00:12:32.480 and then it will just flow through what you're doing. Um, right. You don't propagandize
00:12:36.880 because when you turn it into technique, you, that's the difference between art and propaganda
00:12:41.300 is that if you make an icon, you're opening people up to something in a world. But if you
00:12:45.120 try to put in the message, even if it's Christian, the message you're technically, uh, creating
00:12:51.480 a, again, it's a piece of technology to force one particular view, not open someone up to
00:12:56.860 a world, um, through a narrative. Right. So the less you do that, you should just not even
00:13:03.280 ever think about message at the end. If you can recognize what came out of you, the being
00:13:08.560 that you voiced and then say, Oh, how do I accentuate what came out of this? And then you
00:13:14.000 can do it that way. But, um, yeah, I mean, you see at least the Christianity was in there
00:13:18.980 because when they made that Tolkien movie, Disney, they didn't put, there was not one
00:13:24.480 cross in it at all. And all the stuff that the young Tolkien, you know, it was called
00:13:28.260 Tolkien or something, which the battlefields. In fact, they tried to, there was one cross
00:13:32.880 in something and they basically tried to pan away from it to keep it out of it. Right.
00:13:37.260 It's just, they're so despicable. You know, how do you have Tolkien without even no allusions
00:13:43.200 to it? Um, yeah, crazy.
00:13:45.240 Well, now Disney is going to try to redo, uh, uh, uh, the Chronicles of Narnia, uh, which
00:13:51.160 is just terrifying. I don't even know what are they going to do to that? Like basically
00:13:56.280 a Christian story.
00:13:58.860 Yes. Yes. It was basically scream. The lion is Jesus Christ.
00:14:02.180 He wasn't as subtle as Tolkien there, but, uh, still a classic nonetheless, but, um, all
00:14:10.580 right. So, uh, let, let's go ahead and get into kind of the meat of this thing. So I think
00:14:16.000 a lot of people, uh, obviously look at modernity and we just, it's a crisis of meaning. Obviously
00:14:23.060 we, I think everyone kind of understands this at the moment. And I think this is why you look
00:14:28.260 at someone like Jordan Peterson or Jonathan Pajot and they have, um, you know, large followings
00:14:36.400 now because they actually look at things a little differently than most. Well, while a
00:14:41.480 lot of conservatives are trying to figure out what kind of like policy position they should
00:14:46.020 be at or, you know, arguing, trying, trying to make the best argument, uh, you know, facts,
00:14:50.440 caring about your feelings and whatnot. These guys are talking more about symbols. They're
00:14:54.540 talking about narrative. They're talking a level deeper than, than most people are about
00:15:00.540 kind of where we are and, and what has happened to the world around us. I, I remember, you know,
00:15:08.260 before I really started thinking about this stuff in any significant way, just kind of being
00:15:12.020 a talk radio conservative. And of course, you know, I was a Christian. I had meaning in my
00:15:17.000 life. I thought about, you know, questions of faith, faith and meaning, but I don't think
00:15:21.420 I understood what, uh, the roles that narrative played, uh, narratives play that, that connections
00:15:28.640 to the past play to, uh, kind of what symbolism and beauty meant these kinds of things. What is
00:15:35.080 it about the modern world where like, even people who are Christian or might have a religious
00:15:39.540 tradition who do think about meaning still don't understand kind of what all these classical
00:15:45.680 things that used to tie us to kind of our background, our heritage, our tradition, uh,
00:15:51.180 and kind of give us meaning. What is it that kind of tore that away from us?
00:15:56.180 Well, this is technical alienation. So I think a lot of perhaps more, uh, modernistic Christianity 0.57
00:16:04.580 actually has become technical itself, right? Is it, if you're a fundamentalist, you are technical,
00:16:10.820 you are a modernist and you don't even realize it. So what really happened, it's, what is
00:16:17.700 meaning? Meaning is when you ask, what's the meaning of a word? What are you asking? You're
00:16:22.920 not asking for another proposition to describe it. Are you, you're not saying, ah, can you
00:16:28.040 tell me? Yeah. You know, uh, what's an example, uh, can, you're not saying, um, phase can, a
00:16:33.480 can is like a vase. No meaning of a expression is an imitation of being. So what are we being
00:16:41.600 alienated from the very thing that the word is supposed to be an expression of being the
00:16:48.780 question of being, and this is Heidegger, right? So what alienation is, is the very fact that as
00:16:56.800 the Noah as the, what's the Logos is the, the Noah, uh, Logos means harvesting, right?
00:17:04.440 Of physis, which is the sprouting. And this is the beginning of metaphysics, right? The
00:17:08.620 harvesting, the sprouting. We took the harvesting for a permanence. We took the harvesting, yes,
00:17:15.680 proposition, which builds the way the world looks to us, right? When we harvest physis, the
00:17:20.060 sprouting, we took, uh, the, the, that for, that for it's a permanent knowledge, right? Um,
00:17:26.760 this is actually where a word understanding English is more true to what it should be than
00:17:32.220 different words in different languages, which mean when I grasp, I grasp that. Oh, I have
00:17:37.940 it. I've taken it. I've got it now. Do you know everything is always decaying. So that's
00:17:44.800 what happened from a ground of metaphysics from the very start. And what metaphysics, what
00:17:49.720 that means is, is that before that we were just on tick, we were just sort of, uh, doing
00:17:55.540 what we were doing. We didn't see the world from the outside, right? The very first question
00:17:59.640 when you ask what is, what is makes you go like that. It's you're suddenly sick. When
00:18:06.820 you see the world as a, you look at the world and you see it as a whole, you see being as
00:18:11.780 a whole, right? Um, that's you as a subject, right? As a, uh, sort of transcend, transcendent
00:18:19.700 subject. I'm putting quota marks here because I don't necessarily accept that ontology, but
00:18:23.780 that's the point is that that, uh, when you take the knowledge itself for a permanence
00:18:31.660 and make yourself its ground and say, Oh, we know what being is Plato's ideas that puts
00:18:38.040 itself in, in, in front of the ground of being, which is where all meaning comes from. And
00:18:43.180 so what happens is we slowly pulled away from the ground of being because we've taken us
00:18:48.860 either ourselves for its ground or, uh, uh, many other reasons, but yeah, so that's alienation.
00:18:55.400 So our building of this, what we are has been pulled away from the ground. And essentially
00:19:02.500 what's happened is as we've gone on through the history of philosophy and the history of
00:19:06.840 being, we've added all this psycho technology, you could call it. So you're like the way the
00:19:12.280 world looks to you is like a megazord. It's got all these appendages of 2000 years and
00:19:18.000 you don't even recognize it. So you're walking around in modernity and you think, Oh, this
00:19:22.140 is just what blank world looks like. You stare at physis, you stare at the sprouting and go,
00:19:26.260 Oh, it just seems really plain to me. You've got all these appendages on you that make the
00:19:31.580 world perspectively look to you how it looks nihilistic, right? So in your very being, if you
00:19:37.940 accept that what you are is this, uh, ecstasis, which means, uh, standing out in the world,
00:19:43.700 you are the human, isn't just dude in his body. The human is this, uh, you know, ecstasis, this,
00:19:49.000 uh, existence, which means standing out in the world. Right. Um, you've got all these appendages
00:19:55.740 basically. So that's what causes alienation is that these appendages, this knowing that we are,
00:20:01.060 we've taken to, uh, be, ah, progress Hegel, right? It's this taking Hegel thought that
00:20:08.960 we're, we're going to bring all of physis into meta. Like it seems insanity now that we're going
00:20:15.000 all of, we're going to ultimately know all of physis and capture it as us and be the absolute
00:20:20.560 idea like angels. Right. And so a good metaphor for this is we were an angel connected to being,
00:20:28.140 we had our wings, right? We could have flown, but because we took the knowing as a permanence,
00:20:34.080 we cut the wings off where the wings that have been cut off from the body, right? Thinking we're
00:20:38.480 flying, but we're not flying. Are we? Something's missing. We're aimlessly wondering. We think we've
00:20:43.300 got everything off the transhumanists think they know, Oh, we're going to ascend. No, you're these 0.99
00:20:47.780 wings that have been cut off from the body. So the mission is to bring them back connected to being
00:20:52.000 that's Heidegger's mission. Right. Um, does that make sense that? And so that causes the alienation
00:20:56.900 that causes all this, uh, but still we have these roots that are in the way being presences. I think
00:21:02.940 people's mistake is thinking we've just got this naked looking at the world because it seems that
00:21:07.440 way. Doesn't it? You knock on the wood. Oh, it's here. This is just how it looks. No,
00:21:11.580 you've got 2000 years of appendages that make it look how it looks.
00:21:16.220 So to try to maybe break that down a little bit and, uh, make sure we've got all that. So basically
00:21:21.840 you're saying that all of this civilization between us and kind of an investigation of being
00:21:28.780 and meaning is altering the way that we would see the world and that we would interact with
00:21:35.200 the world. And that means that we're really far abstracted from like the actual source of this
00:21:40.300 thing that actually grounds us. And so because of that, like layer of abstraction, those layers
00:21:45.620 of abstraction, we're not actually interacting with these things where we're taking it all for
00:21:50.360 granted. And that's why we're not, we're not connecting to those things that would bring us
00:21:55.240 meaning that would make us kind of understand kind of where this comes from. Yeah, that's,
00:22:00.520 that's exactly right. And it's another problem is that we, we take the correctness, the apophatic,
00:22:06.460 the correctness theory of truth is that does my proposition match up with someone else's proposition?
00:22:11.900 Not what, why are you looking at that? You've got this thing that's been always already available
00:22:17.320 to you. There's this being here. You don't ever listen to it. It speaks, it can speak through you.
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00:22:56.760 This is what Heidegg calls the they or inauthentic being. Now, authentic as a word means or,
00:23:04.860 the orth part is Greek for one's, uh, one's own. And one means the one being, right? Being from the
00:23:12.740 beginning, that primordial being we're talking about. That's what orth, authentic means. So
00:23:16.600 he's saying we're to get to this, uh, authentic being, but part of our being is this inauthentic
00:23:22.240 being, which means not one's own, right? Not what, not being because this being that you always
00:23:27.360 already have access to, but you've got all these appendages, like I mentioned that, uh, not one's own,
00:23:33.500 but the, they, the inauthentic is everyone else's proposition that's, that you're always already
00:23:39.940 from your birth thrown at you, right? That, that, uh, is not a source of sufficiency that that being
00:23:48.100 has, but all those propositions, because they, they're made, it's ideas that get sent to you.
00:23:54.340 They all have that alienation problem, right? They're taken for permanences yet. They're always
00:23:58.840 decaying. Uh, and that's what nihilism proves. They were always decaying. Um, they're taken for that
00:24:04.900 yet, uh, their ground is always that sufficiency that comes from being right. That's meaning. That's
00:24:12.220 what meaning is being. So yeah, that's, um, yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, so is our problem
00:24:20.240 that as modern people, we wanted to like have control and predict and categorize and that need
00:24:28.500 to constantly kind of hold nature and the world in a particular state that we, so that we could make
00:24:34.560 predictions and build on top of them made us not understand something fundamental about the world
00:24:40.560 and that we could never really capture it quite in that way. Yeah. In a sense. Yeah. That's the reign of
00:24:47.200 quantity, right? But the reign of quantity uses the already known. So it's a calculation of the already
00:24:55.380 known, right? It's not a, um, so it, so things that haven't yet been made intelligible, the deep
00:25:03.640 unknown, we stopped, we've lost contact with the actual unknown, right? The actual unknown is the thing
00:25:10.260 that allowed us to discover things like the numeral three, which is an ontological distinction, a
00:25:15.380 fundamental, because before three, we just had this and also this, right? So it's like, uh, we just
00:25:23.360 had, Oh, can, and also can, you're not adding up then. But when you discover three, the whole, the
00:25:28.880 whole ontological distinction, whole possibility opens up for the being that you are right. We can't
00:25:34.100 get to that category. If we're just constantly calculating, we're using the already known. And this
00:25:39.720 is the thing we enter the world. We think everything's already known. It's just not true.
00:25:44.980 Um, and that's what you see this in black swan events is that we try, we actually use the
00:25:49.720 calculation to impose on being, to force it to present as we want it to. So in a way we actually
00:25:56.760 make, and this is Faustian man killing himself, right? It's this, you saw that video I made is that
00:26:02.240 it's this expansion thinking. We actually become more middle Eastern and trying to, instead of having
00:26:07.720 this category of a hero, an individual or an epochal hero going out and always conquering this
00:26:13.760 unknown, uh, we think, no, we're going to get rid of that as a category, such as our ego, that we
00:26:19.420 want to expand it everywhere in space and close it off. And that's, that's kind of what's happening.
00:26:25.660 When you're using Faustian man there, is that, is that original to Spangler or is that Heidegger
00:26:31.340 used that as well? Was that a general usage of, uh, you know,
00:26:34.960 Oh, that's not Heidegger. No, he didn't actually think, uh, that much of Spangler's theory because
00:26:41.000 Spangler makes a distinction between Greek and classical civilization. I think Heidegger is
00:26:46.860 right about that in the end. Uh, whereas Heidegger's history of being is, it's being is sent from
00:26:53.920 classical, uh, sorry, from, um, Greek times to now it's, uh, the one metaphysics. It's the one
00:27:01.560 problem of the sending of being because they're the people, uh, that discovered it, that, uh, that
00:27:07.780 at first sent and disclosed itself to as a, as a meta, right? That we were looking on, on top of
00:27:15.060 things that we were looking above them and necessary and sufficient conditions. But part of the problem
00:27:20.640 of that and the, and the loss of meaning is what the philosophers did is they removed. And you see this
00:27:25.400 in Plato, they removed attunement and poesis from, uh, their inquiries into truth. So that's why
00:27:33.100 Plato hates the poets, right? But that attunement is fundamental to the truth of the being when it's
00:27:38.940 first sent and disclosed by gods or what, whatever you might want to call it. Removing that removes
00:27:45.620 value, right? So if your method metaphysics itself, the way it operates, the way philosophers
00:27:52.560 operates actually causes the alienation and nihilism. It's the removal of the thing that
00:27:58.860 is sent, putting it over. That's just affect. That's just affect. No, that's the value. That's
00:28:04.500 the, what the Greeks called the nomos. It's part of the, what should be really the valuation layer.
00:28:12.980 So yeah, it's, it's embedded deeply in it from the start. And so what Heidegger is trying to do
00:28:18.720 is overcome. It's not overcome it like Nietzsche, but get to the ground of the being that was sent
00:28:26.320 originally to Heraclitus, right? Like what was the mistake that was made here? He says the first mistake
00:28:31.720 is physis. When physis emerges, it's seeing it as an outer, as a, as a, that's physis and this is us,
00:28:39.320 right? And so his project is making it. So everything is a, uh, this is sort of, you see this in the
00:28:48.220 fourfold, sorry, in his later work, he's making it. So all the words, and he's redoing all the, um,
00:28:58.360 he's redoing all the etymology, creating a new meta language. So we don't have the mistake of
00:29:04.820 interior exterior. That's a mistake. And we know that from cognitive science as well, right? Is that
00:29:10.180 cognition reaches out, uh, cognitive scientists are talking about that. We space hyper agents, we,
00:29:16.140 that interior exterior is one of them. Um, but creating a new language that makes it so we don't,
00:29:22.360 um, think that the knowledge is a permanence, that we don't think that we're separate from the world.
00:29:28.280 Does that make sense? Right? So all the language itself was a problem and how it was articulated
00:29:33.320 at the ground is complicated, but yeah. So you've obviously referenced him several times, uh, at this
00:29:40.120 point, but maybe we should take a minute for people who are unfamiliar. Uh, Heidegger is obviously
00:29:47.000 someone who influences you a lot. You're drawing on him quite a bit. Uh, there's a number of other
00:29:51.600 people kind of in our space, uh, guys like, uh, uh, like Millerman who I've had on many times who
00:29:58.060 talk about the importance of Heidegger. Uh, you've got guys, uh, uh, like Alexander Dugan who draw on
00:30:03.960 Heidegger a good bit, but he's not somebody who I think was probably in the discussion for most people.
00:30:09.620 Here, where does Heidegger hit the fit in kind of the philosophical landscape and why is he so
00:30:16.400 important? Like what, if you're going to try to kind of explain his, his project or kind of the
00:30:22.760 influence that he's had and why it's, it's essential to kind of understanding what you talk
00:30:26.360 about, what would you, how would you explain that to people? Well, I mean, there are better experts
00:30:32.020 than me about it. I didn't necessarily come on to talk about Heidegger. Oh, sure. I just want to
00:30:36.460 state that out front, right? There's academics who watch this and they go, what's he talking
00:30:39.860 about? But anyway, so, okay. Heidegger being a phenomenologist came after Husserl and their
00:30:46.680 method was based on, uh, going to the things themselves, right? Creating a, what they call
00:30:53.300 an epoche, which was making it. So there's a bunch of procedures for phenomenology. It's
00:30:59.440 saying removing judgments, right? Asking the, asking the, looking to the things themselves,
00:31:06.580 understanding the context, uh, that is in a, when you look to a thing that it's always in a context,
00:31:14.220 it always has a hermeneutic. It always has an interpretation, right? And so they're breaking
00:31:19.120 down what they use as a thing they'd call eidetic reduction, which means that you try to get a thing
00:31:27.040 to presence in as many ways as possible. Like think about multi-stable phenomena, like the duck
00:31:34.560 rabbit. Have you know the duck rabbit where it's a, yeah. And so it's multi-stable, isn't it? So you
00:31:39.220 look at one part and it's, it turns to a duck. You look at another part, turns to a rabbit. What the
00:31:44.020 phenomenologists do is they go, okay, we start with the, uh, uh, base level. Um, what are the
00:31:51.900 sedimented, uh, interpretations that we can actually get to presence to us sedimented? Okay. Duck and
00:31:57.960 rabbit. Then they go, okay, how do we, uh, go further than that? And then they bring in the
00:32:04.040 hermeneutic method. So, say you have another diagram that, so there's one diagram that's sort
00:32:08.400 of like a hallway and it looks like a pyramid. And so the hermeneutic is that you add with your mind
00:32:13.020 a little square on top of it. And it's a robot, right? If you add the square, so you've added a
00:32:18.280 hermeneutic layer, which is a story that makes it, but what happens is strangely is that you do that
00:32:24.400 and then you can actually, that gets sedimented, that interpretation. You can perspectively make
00:32:29.040 the robot appear in your intentionality, right? Like, like the duck rabbit, but adding a new
00:32:33.920 layer with a hermeneutic that actually can be re. So that's creating and you're creating as many of
00:32:40.920 those as possible that you can go back to that becomes sedimented, uh, to get an idea of what's the
00:32:46.000 truth of this thing. If we've got all these different interpretations, right? So that's the
00:32:50.480 context that Heidegger is in. Does that make sense, right? That, that, what, what they were doing,
00:32:54.340 it was, uh, they're, they're trying to use all those aspects of the being of the thing to try
00:33:00.940 determine what the truth of it is, trying to get rid of all these appendages, right? And so in that
00:33:06.860 method of getting that epoch, Heidegger continues that all the way down to the ground of, of, of
00:33:13.440 philosophy and metaphysics, he does that epoch a that, uh, on every philosopher. So he gets into
00:33:19.860 there and then breaks it apart, gets down the next day, breaks it apart, breaks apart, right? Not,
00:33:24.320 not, um, destroying them, but deconstructs deconstruction. That's what they're doing
00:33:28.320 and removing it until he, and so what he's doing is actually getting being to presence to him as it
00:33:33.800 did for them. It's not just a intellectual exercise. And so he takes that phenomenology and uses it
00:33:40.060 for, um, the question, the fundamental question of philosophy of being is that, what does it mean?
00:33:47.020 What went wrong? Right? So his significance is that, is that he's not just Nietzsche. He's not
00:33:52.980 that he's the philosopher of another beginning and that, well, that's his project, but he is the
00:33:59.100 footnote to the whole of philosophy. He's saying, this is what it all meant. So through that phenomenology,
00:34:04.700 he gets into the ground, he recognizes that, oh, the history that we've had is just the envelope,
00:34:11.520 all the events that people talk about, oh, this war or that war, it's just the outside symptom of
00:34:18.120 something that was being sent this whole time being from when it was first sent Heraclitus and went
00:34:25.300 upright. It was speaking each time through that. Uh, and so, and through each philosopher. So it's not
00:34:31.460 just a progress of ideas, right? He's overcome that being ascending each time and speaking. I know
00:34:39.120 this is, this, this part's a bit complicated, but yeah. So that's his significance. He's,
00:34:45.100 he can't escape Heidegger and people, even people like John Viveki, they, they really underestimated
00:34:52.560 how important he is and they know how important he is. The work he's doing, Viveki is so Heideggerian.
00:34:58.280 It's creating a new language. It's doing all the stuff that Heidegger discovered. He's way more
00:35:02.980 significant than he said. He said in his lectures there, right? Heidegger cannot be escaped. He is
00:35:08.960 literally the only philosopher in our modern era. And who said this, um, Strauss, Strauss said this,
00:35:14.800 right? Is that there is no great philosopher, but him in our era, right? And so when he's doing his
00:35:19.760 work, it's Heidegger that he looks to. And so if you want to understand deeply that the philosophers of
00:35:25.060 our time, Heidegger has understood them like no one else has in his history of philosophy,
00:35:30.760 right? No, like no Roger Scruton, any of that Heidegger actually truly was in their mind and in
00:35:38.000 their, like did the work to do that. So if you want to understand Nietzsche, all these people
00:35:41.340 read his history of philosophy. Um, and his project is, is that I'm using that, um, to see being and what
00:35:50.480 it's saying through all the, all the history of philosophy. And honestly, he's right. When you
00:35:56.460 look into it again, I can't really prove that today, but, um, yeah, and his project, another
00:36:02.240 beginning based on that is getting back to the ground, right? So meaning properly, uh, presences.
00:36:08.980 So we're guardians of it again, guardians of this sufficiency that's underneath everything that
00:36:13.620 we've lost reconnecting the knowing the wings of the angel to the body of the angel is his project,
00:36:20.460 right? Not the overman, not trying to overcome metaphysics with the old metaphysics, but
00:36:25.880 reconnecting the angel. So it glistens, uh, again and flies, right? Yeah. These are, I think
00:36:32.600 Dugan sort of used the metaphors like that before, but yeah, does that make sense?
00:36:37.180 Yeah, no. And, and, you know, the, the fact that I've read multiple people, including Dugan now who
00:36:41.740 leaned so heavily on Heidegger means I've, I've, uh, put my toe in that water. Now I, uh, I'm
00:36:47.180 preparing to, to take a deeper dive. I, I did, uh, I worked through a primer and everything first,
00:36:52.720 so I could have a kind of have a grasp of the ideas before I really get into like being in time
00:36:56.760 and such. But, uh, but, but I would still, I'm sorry. I was going to say if I could recommend any
00:37:02.360 book, it would be Dugan's book on Heidegger. Oh, okay. That will, that is the book on, uh, Heidegger.
00:37:08.440 Obviously these are names that people, Oh, these are dangerous people. That's attractive to some
00:37:12.920 people, but you know, you can't avoid him. And he, all the stuff that happened with the Austrian 0.99
00:37:21.440 painter, he just did that out of pragmatism. He has nothing to apologize for. He, he did it like
00:37:27.760 he do can even says this in his book. Is it? No, he just, he did it. And then he was, he was the head
00:37:32.440 of that university for a year and he left and went back to his work. He recognized that what they were
00:37:36.800 doing was not, was still modernistic as it wasn't a proper connecting to being. So there's nothing,
00:37:42.160 all the people, everyone has to say a prelude to Heidegger. Oh, the Austrian patient's party, 0.89
00:37:45.740 the Austrian painters party. It's like, no man, when you see what he actually did, sorry, jump in.
00:37:50.960 No, I was just going to say, it's, it's like saying somebody in China was a communist. It's
00:37:54.280 like, well, yeah, it's kind of the only option at the time, man. Exactly. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah,
00:38:00.820 well, I, I wanted to ask you about that a little bit though. Uh, uh, you know, a lot of people look
00:38:05.320 at Heidegger and they say a postmodernism, right? Like, uh, you know, oh, this is dangerous. The
00:38:11.080 dangers of postmodernism, right. He's deconstructing, he's breaking down everything we know. Uh, you know,
00:38:17.080 as, as people who are, I guess in some, at some level, uh, uh, disposed to conservatism, uh,
00:38:24.780 why would people on the right want to look at Heidegger? What is, why, why does he, why would
00:38:30.380 someone who's maybe more traditional, more religious, why would they want to look at somebody
00:38:34.480 who's known as postmodern and D and all about deconstruction? Well, because Heidegger, no one
00:38:42.620 has ever had more respect for the things that ground who they are than Heidegger, right? Is it
00:38:48.660 what the postmodernists, the left-wing ones did was abuse his work and her cells and use it for will
00:38:57.620 to power purposes. So they were driven by really not truth or getting to the ground of what we are,
00:39:04.180 but by using that to, uh, undermine, uh, the modernists, which should be in a way, right?
00:39:12.120 Undermine it, but just so they can use it to take power again. So they're still in, in the old
00:39:16.520 metaphysics and the old, cause the old metaphysics is about that. If presence is as will to power
00:39:20.960 presence is as forcing it's technical to force, uh, everything's a tool to force out utility and to,
00:39:28.720 uh, moreness. I want moreness and I'm going to use this technical moreness because I'm scared of
00:39:33.800 being in nature, right? It's, um, so they abused it. Postmodernism is good. Peterson, all the people
00:39:41.720 that have, uh, attacked it. No, it's about, uh, and this is all the traditional school.
00:39:46.980 These guys, they understand that, right? It's getting to the ground of what these things are
00:39:53.060 and being, and it's not throwing out. He's Keidegger says this over and over again. So I'm not attacking
00:39:58.860 these philosophers. I'm, I'm loosening it, loosening it with this, right? To recognize that they only have
00:40:05.720 an aspect of it, right? This has been deep problems here. He just wants to, he doesn't want to throw out
00:40:10.640 the wings of the angel. He just wants to reconnect them to the body. And what the conservatives need
00:40:14.260 to recognize is that they're in will to power that in, uh, the problem of metaphysics and you need
00:40:20.080 him to, to reconnect you to the body of the angel. So you can fly, so you can fly. I know it's just,
00:40:25.720 it sounds a bit, uh, yeah, but he, that work, um, is what releases the true helps release the true.
00:40:36.460 You can throw away the things that have actually been your enemy. You can throw away the
00:40:40.820 scientism. It's what undermines all that on purpose because it never truly had the, the,
00:40:47.300 the truth of being never captured it. So it's a good thing. You need it. I don't know if I've
00:40:53.000 completely made the case for that because it's very complicated, but basically they abused him
00:40:56.980 and what they did, but the, the, the nobility of what he was trying to do and even herself and
00:41:02.900 people like that. Um, and what right-wing people who use it, uh, is to, so everything that we are
00:41:11.240 glistens in its sufficiency is that we have being again. Right. Uh, and what it truly means,
00:41:17.380 um, not a false proposition. It's connecting it all together. And I think it's vastly superior to
00:41:25.520 these sort of a religion. That's not a religion and this and that, the people are building that's
00:41:30.600 the physical is a building. No sort of reconnected all use the traditionalist school. Um, this is,
00:41:38.080 these guys, that's the way if you want truth, if you want your world to properly cast a vision,
00:41:45.340 you need them. You need to understand, uh, because your world's modernistic, your goals are always
00:41:50.440 going to be modernistic. You need them. So your world perspectively looks correctly.
00:41:54.500 So you can have a proper telos, a purpose, and the purpose makes your world look a certain way,
00:42:01.300 right? That means you'll be able to select a proper vision because without that, your will
00:42:05.420 is always going to be pointing to things that are modernistic, right? So if you want a different
00:42:10.120 vision, a different way to what the other, the left has, and we've always got people, no one has
00:42:15.700 this alternate way to go, do they? It's always a resistance of this progress, but no, you need that
00:42:20.300 so you can have, without what they are doing, the proper things won't stick out to you that you
00:42:25.800 won't be able to see it. You won't be able to see them at all. Right? Yeah. I mean, Peugeot,
00:42:29.940 these guys are postmodernists. Peugeot is deeply postmodernists, radically postmodernists in what
00:42:35.260 he's doing. Um, but that's good because, um, God never gave you knowledge when he sent it permanently,
00:42:44.600 right? So fundamentally it helps Christianity, um, to go back to the symbolic way of thinking,
00:42:49.520 um, to not think that you capture the thing propositionally, perspectively, fully,
00:42:53.900 and they help do that. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely. I think for a lot of
00:43:00.140 conservatives, they think that victory is like going back to the 1950s, but the problem was like,
00:43:07.160 you know, that there's so many deep problems there as well. You know, even though material,
00:43:12.500 it might materially, it might have been better and, and morally in many ways, spiritually for a lot
00:43:18.480 of people, you know, there, there might have been good, you know, things that are, were better at that
00:43:23.640 time. There's still deep problems already, you know, uh, kind of, kind of in the world, in the
00:43:28.900 modern world. And so it's difficult for many, I think, conservatives to understand that, like,
00:43:33.920 actually the things that were going to destroy you were already present and deeply a part of that
00:43:38.940 world. And you have to go back further or through, I guess is probably the better, better way to
00:43:44.560 understand that you, you, you can't just go back and capture that moment. Again, you have to get
00:43:48.900 back, you have to go to something different, um, in order to kind of solve that problem, but you
00:43:53.780 brought up a word there, scientism. Um, and I think that's, I think that's a good one. I think most
00:43:59.360 people understand what that means when they hear that, you know, is kind of the almost religious
00:44:03.540 attachment to, uh, the idea of science and what can be known and what can be understood and, and how
00:44:09.600 that will inform things. Do you think that a modern understanding of science can coexist or, or do you
00:44:18.440 think that, that the scientific, uh, knowledge as kind of, we perceive it can continue to exist
00:44:23.720 if you take a, a, a, a go towards more the second beginning that you're talking about, if you can
00:44:29.680 move towards a better connection or return to a better connection of meaning, uh, can, can science
00:44:36.420 as we practice it now coexist in, uh, you know, along with kind of what you're talking about?
00:44:42.640 Yeah, it, it fundamentally, it'll be done in a completely different way.
00:44:49.380 Sort of like Eldar from Warhammer 40,000. Does that make sense to anyone?
00:44:54.380 Oh, no, it makes perfect sense to me.
00:44:56.000 It makes sense to you. Yeah, I know exactly what I mean, right? That's his project. It's,
00:44:59.680 it's so everything, um, is now the in, it's not captured or not. It's neither in or out.
00:45:06.420 Um, a non-permanency should work for science. You'd think for, uh, uh, uh, for a science that
00:45:13.120 says, Oh, we've never got the truth. They don't really stick by that. Um, uh, it's, there's a,
00:45:18.580 it's a certainty. It's, Oh, it's a certainty until it's not. It's a certainty until it's not.
00:45:22.600 Right. Um, so they don't actually carry that decay that's under every idea, but what Heidegg
00:45:29.540 is looking to do, he's looking for an explosion. That's what, because you can do the work,
00:45:35.280 you can go to the ground of being. That's what, uh, being in time is doing. It's, it's converting
00:45:42.520 you. It's, uh, removing the scientism. It's removing the layers to get to the ground of
00:45:47.400 being, but you've just done it for the openness that you are. And perhaps the people that are
00:45:51.620 around you, cause you aren't just this one thing, right? You're more than that. You've overcome
00:45:56.240 this interior exterior. You see the world as, as, uh, he sees it actually, it looks like
00:46:02.060 it, right? Your whole life's changed. You are possibility, right? So it's not just a learning
00:46:06.040 something. It's a whole conversion, but you actually need to flip all of being and everyone
00:46:12.000 you need that explosion. So it has to be, it'll affect how all of, um, it affects how all science
00:46:19.040 will work and everything like that. But I don't, he doesn't want to throw out, uh, what, what
00:46:24.240 has gone before he wants to, uh, the truth reorganizes everything and all of knowing
00:46:29.780 anyway, when you hit authentic being, you get to sort of moment of vision. When you
00:46:35.020 annihilate all that, the truth of possibility appears to you. If that makes sense, right?
00:46:40.640 When you, when you, you might've experienced this just naturally when you touch this
00:46:44.360 authentic being, right? When you perhaps thought back to a past event and just thought
00:46:48.560 about the events, uh, and removed a false violin narrative you had about it, or you
00:46:53.280 learned something that about your past or something that made everything hit to you.
00:46:57.560 And you had this moment of possibility, or perhaps here's one Nelson talked about this
00:47:02.980 is that he had all this, uh, Horatio Nelson, the hero is that he had all these career motives
00:47:08.900 and they all imploded his life imploded, right? Uh, what he could achieve, uh, became impossible.
00:47:17.720 And so he had this dark night of the soul, right? And what that is, is the world has been
00:47:22.760 been annihilated. And so all this possibility suddenly opens to you. And he said, very well,
00:47:27.420 I'll be a hero then, right? Because his whole world had been annihilated. You have to imagine
00:47:31.480 what that looks like from the inside. So I can't remember where I was going with this, but yeah,
00:47:36.360 that annihilation. Um, I can't remember where I was going with that.
00:47:42.520 You're saying that there, you know, the explosion and that you would need.
00:47:48.480 Oh yeah. It needs to, that gives you the moment of vision, which rejigs all your propositions
00:47:53.020 and say, Oh no, that's the truth of where that is. And so Nelson experienced that, that, um, and
00:47:57.780 it requires a kind of pulling apart. Most people have had at least one moment of their life. So I'm just
00:48:01.700 trying to contextualize it so people can understand what I'm talking about, but that should, if you
00:48:06.900 had that explosion, it should move those things around. And then what would this mean? What would
00:48:11.340 this world look like with that explosion? Right? It would be, you know, think about Warhammer again.
00:48:15.660 It's like we used to build things neo-Gothic, right? Uh, the way we build things change the, for the sake
00:48:22.400 of the telos would be with things again, because we'd be grounded. So when we build buildings,
00:48:28.180 they would be perhaps neo-Gothic, right? They'd be, they'd be grounded in the being of the ethnos of 0.98
00:48:34.100 who we are. Uh, a rocket would have paintings on it, right? It would be like the Russian cathedral
00:48:40.580 of the armed forces. We'd build buildings like that. Why do we build them utilitarian wise?
00:48:45.060 Because our world is will to power. Our world is utilitarian. That's our telos now because it's
00:48:49.540 been annihilated. Um, and so the, another beginning has to have everyone flip, right? And so the future
00:48:56.580 ones that Heidegger talks about are us. It's the people that have done it perspectively for
00:49:01.460 themselves and you get this at church, right? So what Heidegger is never thinking about is that
00:49:05.940 sacred space that you have at church is that you're going to authentic being. And you think about it,
00:49:10.260 when you go to church and you come out, your world, world's differently. Sorry,
00:49:12.900 your perspectively world looks, doesn't it? When you've done the ritual, uh, what's more important
00:49:19.060 has, has come to you, uh, based on this profane you're in. So it's a return to this sacred and
00:49:24.820 what primordial being is fundamentally, the poetic word for it is sacred space. That's what it is.
00:49:31.220 And so sacred space makes the world perspectively appropriately world to you. And that's what
00:49:37.940 being looked like when it was originally sent to us. So it's not just a religious practice. It's what
00:49:44.180 was sent by daemon, right? By God, by, right. And a word for this is what Heraclitus, uh, called it was,
00:49:53.460 what it was called originally was we were homo, ercom, daemon, which means a space for a divinity.
00:50:01.380 And the space that we have as what we are, this existence, this out of bodiness, this, um,
00:50:07.540 standing outside, its attunement correctly was when it was sent originally to Heraclitus and
00:50:14.100 people, daemon, divinity. And so everything that we are, that's what it was. It was given. We didn't
00:50:19.860 take it. It was given. Um, and that became homo, sorry, zoon, uh, homo zoon logon, which meant, 0.94
00:50:27.780 oh, homo possessor meant the possessor of the harvesting, the logos, the possessor of the, 0.79
00:50:33.060 it's important to actually understand what logos means because people throw that word around
00:50:36.820 the possessor of the knowing. If you possess it, you've got it, don't you? So you can see how it
00:50:41.140 changed over time. So we need to get back to that sacred space of no homo. Uh, we are the possessor of 1.00
00:50:48.660 angels. So when, when, when Dugan's talking about that in his book, he does say in that
00:50:54.100 political theory, oh, it's just a metaphor, but it's, he believes it. Right. So yeah. Yeah.
00:51:02.180 So we've spent a lot of time on kind of why this happened. We've talked a lot about kind of the
00:51:08.260 theory behind it in the, in, in kind of tried to suss out some of the jargon and explain that,
00:51:13.380 but here in kind of our last 10 minutes, let's get really practical. Uh, you know, let's, let's try
00:51:20.020 to take that to a more practical place. So somebody here, you know, they're, they're awash in modernity,
00:51:25.860 they're alienated, you know, they're isolated. They don't, they don't feel meaning. They don't know
00:51:31.140 what to do. What, how can they take this knowledge and try to reconnect themselves? How can they as,
00:51:38.660 as an individual try to once again, kind of connect themselves to this larger picture,
00:51:46.580 these traditions, these things that will, that will kind of tie them into a world of meaning?
00:51:51.140 What, what can, what steps can they take? Well, yeah, I mean, it's start reading. Um,
00:51:57.300 I've been looking into the, I've looked into the greatest heroes of your culture and the foundational
00:52:02.180 stories, but also find access to a sacred space, right? And start an initiation of some kind.
00:52:10.660 The initiation could be at least just start walking once a day. That's just a basic thing.
00:52:16.100 And on that day, I mean, you could, you could start meditation. That would be helpful because
00:52:21.380 you're focusing of your attention is you're focusing of what's known. So when you're walking
00:52:25.860 as a meditation, you can do where it's both, uh, you're focusing on this, the environment,
00:52:31.540 the world, but also on one thing at the same time, it requires doing meditation for longer, but that
00:52:38.100 opens you up to being right. Gets you closer to it. Right. And it will start,
00:52:42.740 your world will start prospectively looking a different way, but I'm thinking of basics here
00:52:47.140 because that takes some time. So Heidegger is tough. Um, but I mean, Milliman's got a good course
00:52:52.420 on him, Dugan's book, but yeah, it's, it's tough work. I think the best thing is the European 1.00
00:52:57.940 traditionalist, uh, school like Gwennon, um, Evola. Oops. I don't want to say his name. I mean,
00:53:04.340 everyone knows who that is now anyway, but yeah, I think walking initiation, Orthodox church doing, 0.63
00:53:10.420 you know, it's, it's, um, I think you need to have access to a sacred space that is, um, exists right
00:53:16.180 now or else it's really hard. I mean, if you're doing it as a sort of, uh, as an elite or whatever,
00:53:21.300 paganism, it's very hard because where do you go? Right. You're doing it on your own.
00:53:25.380 So, I mean, there are some places as Thomas described, just in case pagans are watching,
00:53:29.060 right. It's there are places, some temples. There's not very many of them though. Right. So
00:53:33.620 access to a sacred space, initiating. If you can, you're on an initiation. The world is there
00:53:38.500 for you to initiate into the thinkers are there for you to do. Start walking for one thing. That's why a
00:53:44.100 lot of right-wing people talk about weightlifting. That's a way to get in. But the ultimate goal is to
00:53:48.420 initiate, to begin this access to the transcendent. And it's a world that's available to everyone.
00:53:53.540 Still now looking into the ground of your, your ethnos by studying your heroes, start walking, 0.97
00:54:00.340 start going to a church, just go to start the practice and to see what happens. Right. And the
00:54:06.100 more traditional symbolic one, the better, uh, and then ask your priest what to do after that rather
00:54:11.220 than me. But yeah, that initiation, you have to start, have to take the first step on the initiation,
00:54:15.300 but recognize it's a place. It's not just, uh, you can get out of this fake. This is fake
00:54:21.140 Scientology. The way the world looks to you is fake. The truth is out, is out there as Mulder said.
00:54:28.180 But, uh, yeah, you meant, you mentioned, uh, a vola there real quick. I've only read ride the tiger,
00:54:33.140 which I, there are parts of it that I like the overall, I can't say I was very taken with it.
00:54:39.140 What other of all, uh, would you suggest for someone who's kind of starting, uh,
00:54:43.700 reading his set? Yeah. Right. The tiger sucks. Yeah. Um, it's just sort of a repeat thing. I mean,
00:54:49.140 there's revolt against the modern world, but really read his, um, read his, or look at my channel for
00:54:54.900 instance on, on Arthur, but no read his book on the grail, right? Read his book on the grail. Um,
00:55:01.540 he's more accessible than Gwennon. Gwennon is more esoteric on purpose. You have to do the work
00:55:05.860 with him. Um, but very good. Like these guys are so important. Um, yeah. So his book on the grail,
00:55:12.820 that's going to connect you to some of your grounding hero narratives. I mean, it's probably
00:55:15.620 mostly Europeans who watch this, but most people are culturally European anyway, in these countries
00:55:20.500 that speak English, but that's going to get you close to the ground of your being. It's about
00:55:24.180 initiation. The grail is an initiatory symbol, right? It's the world egg. It's the principles in
00:55:29.460 the middle is the dot. And you move from the outside of the grail to the inside. That's what it is.
00:55:33.460 It's getting you to the transcendent. That's what the symbol means. But
00:55:37.140 that book actually is great. There is a YouTube guy who did an audio book. So much respect to him.
00:55:42.980 Um, just search, um, Julius Savola, uh, grail audio book, Julius Savola. I can't remember what
00:55:50.260 the book's called. Just look up what the book's called, copy and paste that into YouTube audio
00:55:55.140 book. This guy will come up. Thank God he did it. But yeah, seven hours. You'd be able to smash
00:55:58.820 through that in a walk very quickly. Why don't you listen to that and then revolt against the modern world.
00:56:03.140 Uh, on your walks. That's your, the start of your initiation.
00:56:06.660 Yeah. I, I get, I get to actually get, uh, quite a bit of, uh, uh, work done, uh, by walking and
00:56:12.740 listening to books on YouTube. That's how I got through, uh, unqualified reservations. That's how
00:56:16.980 I got through ride the tiger. That's how I got through, uh, you know, democracy, the God who failed,
00:56:21.300 like that's, uh, that's, uh, it's a, it's a good way to kind of, uh, you know, physically, uh,
00:56:26.020 kind of ground yourself and then also, uh, you know, absorb something important at the same time.
00:56:30.100 So I think it's, it's really good advice. All right. Well, we are going to go ahead and get
00:56:34.820 ready to wrap up here, Scott, but before we do, uh, where can people find your work? Uh,
00:56:39.860 do you have anything exciting coming out that people should look for? Just tell people
00:56:43.540 where to find what you're doing. Yeah. Just YouTube, Scott Mannion, M-A-N-N-I-O-N or
00:56:48.580 greenwood.media will send you to my website, which is Scott Mannion. Greenwood.media is easier to
00:56:53.060 remember. What I have coming out is a divining the future video, right? About what happened in the
00:56:59.940 coronation, about the ground of what I think is happening is the emergence of an actual Caesar
00:57:06.420 based on what happened in the coronation. So it's pretty important. I've been working on it for ages,
00:57:10.580 but it is a inspiring, uh, you know, it's, it's not fiction. It's something that I've looked into
00:57:17.220 what, what happened there and that, yeah, there's more that meets the eye of what's going on. Um,
00:57:22.900 and it's related to that of, uh, of old Arthurian book. It's the return of Arthur return of the king,
00:57:28.740 hopefully. But yeah, that's what I've got coming out. Probably be out in the end of the month video on
00:57:33.460 that. Yeah. Or yeah, I've got other metaphysical stuff there. It's about the ground of the
00:57:37.780 culture of both, uh, historical American and Anglo-Saxon, even European, right? It's looking
00:57:43.540 to the ground of that stuff. If you want to check it out. Yeah. Subscribe.
00:57:48.660 Absolutely. Oh, guys, make sure that you're checking out Scott's excellent YouTube channel,
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00:58:13.220 Again, make sure you're checking out his work. It's very good. Thank you for coming by everyone.
00:58:17.860 And as always, we'll talk to you next time.