The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 18, 2024


Did the FBI Lie About Rising Crime？ ｜ Guest： J. Burden ｜ 10⧸18⧸24


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Jay Burden joins me on the show to talk about why crime is actually going down in the United States. He talks about the FBI making a mistake in their crime statistics, and why it matters to the American people.

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00:00:30.400 Hey everybody, how's it going?
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00:01:15.240 Joining me today to talk about our topic is one of my favorite guests, Jay Burden.
00:01:20.340 He's got a great interview show, and it's on YouTube and podcast platforms.
00:01:26.380 Jay, thanks for joining me, man.
00:01:28.060 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on, Aura.
00:01:29.740 And I know it's been a while since we've spoken, but I always look forward to coming on your show
00:01:33.420 and speaking with you.
00:01:34.620 Absolutely.
00:01:34.980 Well, I mean, you've broken out all over the place.
00:01:36.560 You've been on Andrew Klavan.
00:01:37.700 You've gotten a little too big for the Oren McIntyre show at this point.
00:01:42.500 I understand.
00:01:43.520 But I appreciate you coming back.
00:01:45.280 Yeah, I'll deign to show up.
00:01:47.940 It is convenient to me.
00:01:49.060 I might.
00:01:49.680 No.
00:01:49.860 But in all seriousness, Oren, I really do enjoy your show.
00:01:53.040 I'm a regular listener, and so it's fun to call it.
00:01:57.460 Absolutely.
00:01:57.900 Well, today we are talking about crime, specifically crime statistics.
00:02:03.960 There was a small snafu in the reporting of crime statistics recently that kind of came up.
00:02:14.420 Obviously, the FBI famously has their crimes report that comes out every year, letting people
00:02:20.700 know where we're at in a country, who's committing crimes, where it's being committed, what kind
00:02:25.140 of crimes are being committed.
00:02:26.540 Is it going up?
00:02:27.320 Is it going down?
00:02:28.760 And the crime report from 2022 came out in 2023 in September.
00:02:34.320 And at that point, it revealed that crime had gone down in the United States by about 2%.
00:02:40.360 I think it was 2.1%.
00:02:41.680 And this was very suspicious for anyone who has, you know, like eyeballs, because it seemed
00:02:48.500 to many of us that actually crime had gone up quite a bit.
00:02:52.760 It was very evident that, you know, not, yeah, you only have your anecdotal evidence.
00:02:57.320 It's to some degree.
00:02:58.620 But, you know, it's not just a social media feed.
00:03:01.600 You can walk around your neighborhoods and realize they feel less safe.
00:03:05.240 Fewer people are willing to let their kids go out, ride their bikes, these kind of things.
00:03:09.280 You know, women are less likely to go out at night. 1.00
00:03:11.380 And so that statistic really clashed with reality.
00:03:16.380 But they kept repeating it over and over again.
00:03:19.060 You even had government officials like Pete Buttigieg come out and say, crime is down.
00:03:23.200 Isn't this great?
00:03:23.980 It's fantastic.
00:03:24.720 And even to the point where we had these debates where Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are debating
00:03:32.280 and the moderators would jump in and fact check and tell Donald Trump, oh, no, crime is actually
00:03:37.620 down whenever he's pointing things out.
00:03:39.800 Well, after the debates and after early voting had already started, it turns out that like,
00:03:45.900 you know, a year later at this point, over a year later, the FBI made a mistake, a whoopsie.
00:03:52.520 And it turns out that crime is not down 2.1%.
00:03:55.980 It's actually up 4.6%.
00:03:59.260 And that's a pretty huge statistical error to say actually crime went down a minor amount
00:04:06.160 to actually crime went up a substantial amount.
00:04:09.900 And we just happened to calculate it incorrectly.
00:04:13.160 And we just happened to not fix that error until, you know, all of the political convenience
00:04:17.280 of spreading the idea that crime had gone down had kind of been spent.
00:04:20.940 And so I think a lot of people were raising quite the eyebrow because this wasn't even
00:04:25.960 done as some kind of correction where they announced, oh, we made a big mistake.
00:04:30.740 Sorry about this.
00:04:31.540 Huge error.
00:04:32.000 It was a stealth edit.
00:04:33.300 It was only picked up later on by people after the fact.
00:04:37.660 They didn't even bother to put out some kind of press release saying, whoops, I guess we
00:04:41.520 completely got this one wrong.
00:04:43.860 Well, definitely, right?
00:04:45.240 You've seen a similar story with economic data, right?
00:04:48.720 Particularly, what is the unemployment rate?
00:04:50.580 How many jobs are being created, which is just magically, and it really is, I mean, from
00:04:56.780 a statistical perspective, improbable that they would keep making wrong guesses by roughly
00:05:02.180 the same amount month over month over month, and then later have to go back and correct
00:05:05.900 them, right?
00:05:07.040 This isn't really, at this point, serious data, right?
00:05:10.740 It's very clear that people have their fingerprints or their fingers inside of it, and they're
00:05:14.820 messing with it, right?
00:05:15.860 They want it to tell a certain story.
00:05:17.680 And the thing that it brings to my mind, right, is the concept of Soviet science, right?
00:05:25.980 Like if I describe something to you as, well, is he a biologist?
00:05:30.260 And I said, well, he was a Soviet biologist, right?
00:05:32.240 The implication, yes, he may have been, but he was part of a political system with political
00:05:38.400 objectives, and so that colors his work.
00:05:42.760 Effectively, we're seeing the exact same thing, right?
00:05:45.780 America is fast becoming a banana republic, right?
00:05:49.360 Where the sort of numbers you see the government produce have less and less of any relation
00:05:54.660 to reality, right?
00:05:56.100 It's like something you would see in the Soviet Union, right? 0.72
00:05:58.720 Like we have more TVs produced here than ever.
00:06:02.040 Now, you don't have one, and no one you know has one, but we make lots of them.
00:06:05.800 The economy is going great, right?
00:06:07.320 Where it's purely a political signal.
00:06:10.460 And what we've seen with both unemployment and now with crime is very much that, right?
00:06:15.360 There needed to be proof for the idea that crime went down.
00:06:20.120 And so that proof was created, regardless of anything actually done.
00:06:25.360 And what's especially interesting is that even within that, the actual way the FBI gathers
00:06:31.860 data has changed.
00:06:33.720 And that's something that you might know, Aaron, but they won't tell you that, right?
00:06:38.820 They will never inform you that all of a sudden we changed what size ruler we're using.
00:06:43.360 You know, again, it's another way to manipulate the outcomes of these procedures.
00:06:46.860 Yeah, and in a society that has this much scale, the collection of data is supposed to give
00:06:55.940 us an indication of reality.
00:06:57.680 And that's really important because we have moved beyond the size of a civilization that
00:07:04.100 any one person or group of people can really grasp.
00:07:07.680 You know, we're well beyond Dunbar's number when it comes to the people we interact with.
00:07:12.100 Everyone is kind of abstracted behind screens.
00:07:16.860 We rely heavily on the institutions in our society to kind of give us feedback on how the
00:07:25.900 world is going.
00:07:26.780 Now, we're both Thomas Carlyle fans, so we know the danger of this.
00:07:31.540 You know, the condition of England question cannot be answered on spreadsheets or ultimately
00:07:36.580 with data.
00:07:37.100 And this is a really good example of why this way of understanding the world is very dangerous,
00:07:42.740 because as you point out, you know, the regime has a narrative and whether that narrative
00:07:47.700 is a true or not, it needs to be proven.
00:07:50.740 And the only way we prove narratives now, the only acceptable epistemological basis is this
00:07:56.980 scientific, you know, accumulation of statistical information that is supposed to be the way in
00:08:02.940 which we verify our reality, even though we can't actually observe it in a very real sense
00:08:09.780 outside of our own spheres.
00:08:12.300 And so as someone who worked in the public education system for a long time, I'm extremely
00:08:17.740 aware of the degree to which this data gets baked or gets cooked, even just at the ground
00:08:24.880 level.
00:08:25.280 I'm not even talking about what happens in Washington, D.C. and those bureaus, but what happens
00:08:30.200 just in the individual units of data collection.
00:08:32.960 When I worked in schools, we were constantly doctoring grades.
00:08:36.900 We were lying about student progress.
00:08:39.080 We were redefining what it meant to be proficient in things, to be to acceptable thresholds in
00:08:45.320 order to get the data, to massage the data significantly and produce the desired outcomes.
00:08:50.660 And again, this is just at like the school and district level, not at the Department of
00:08:53.980 Education.
00:08:54.500 The same thing is true when it comes to the FBI.
00:08:58.680 As you point out, the way that they collect data has changed.
00:09:01.920 Yes, many large cities at this point aren't even participating in the data collection process
00:09:08.340 because it has changed so radically.
00:09:10.060 So that in and of itself skews the data.
00:09:12.240 But when you look at a large number of cities, they are also going through this process where
00:09:17.220 they are losing police officers and they are not able to respond to many incidents.
00:09:22.860 So unless it's an active violent crime, unless you are literally being stabbed at the moment,
00:09:28.040 they don't send officers out to take reports in many cases.
00:09:32.320 So unless you are sitting in line for hours at the police station after the fact, making
00:09:38.800 sure that your case is logged, then the data just doesn't appear.
00:09:42.440 So it's not just a malicious changing of the data at the federal level, though I believe there's
00:09:49.240 plenty of evidence to say that's exactly happening, but it's also a failure that cascades all the
00:09:55.240 way down the chain of responsibility to local areas that are just not putting the resources
00:10:00.520 towards accurately recording crime data, because that would reveal a trend they don't want
00:10:05.620 publicized.
00:10:06.300 Well, exactly, right?
00:10:09.580 And I think a lot of conservatives have a have a problem, right, where they look at the the stated
00:10:16.380 purpose of an institution as the effective purpose of the institution.
00:10:20.060 And they're not wrong, right?
00:10:21.580 In an ideal world, the purpose of the police would be to stop crime, right?
00:10:25.740 That's what they that's why we pay them, right?
00:10:28.240 But the problem is that's not the case current.
00:10:30.240 They very clearly don't exist.
00:10:32.760 And I'm not making, you know, any sort of implication about a specific officer or anything
00:10:37.200 like that.
00:10:37.940 But, you know, when we look at law enforcement in general, right, federal level law enforcement,
00:10:42.500 it very clearly does not exist to make you safer, right?
00:10:45.700 So in this case, the FBI, right, federal law enforcement, what do they do?
00:10:49.660 Are they telling us what we actually need to know, which is, hey, crime is up, like we need
00:10:54.800 to take steps to address it.
00:10:55.820 Or are they kneeling to their real masters, right, the political elite and saying, no,
00:11:02.140 crime is down.
00:11:02.780 Everything's going fine, guys. 0.98
00:11:04.140 Don't believe your lying eyes.
00:11:06.120 And similarly, right, we see this this diversion, right, between the stated purpose and what,
00:11:11.640 you know, actually is produced in effect.
00:11:14.320 And, you know, not to get too chin stroking here, but I think that that classical bit of
00:11:17.700 wisdom by their fruits, you shall know them, right?
00:11:19.680 Look at what they do, not at what they say.
00:11:21.580 And again, like I said, that's in no way intended to impugn the honor of any individual
00:11:27.080 officer, right?
00:11:27.820 There are many police officers who do a great job.
00:11:30.540 But when we're talking systemically, when we're looking this as at the broadest possible
00:11:34.980 level, we can identify that there is a problem.
00:11:37.980 And that problem is not being addressed because it's politically inconvenient.
00:11:42.960 Yeah, I think it's also important to be able to take a look at what might be some or
00:11:48.480 some more accurate data.
00:11:50.000 So let me bring this up real quick, because John Lott, who is somebody who's done a lot
00:11:54.380 of great work on, of course, crime statistics, he's famous for his advocacy when it comes
00:12:00.900 to, you know, gun ownership and what the truth about gun ownership is.
00:12:05.900 But he wrote a fantastic article for Real Clear Politics explaining this phenomenon.
00:12:10.260 And one of the things that he pointed out was how broken the FBI's collection of statistics
00:12:15.720 ultimately was.
00:12:18.100 And so he suggested that a much better indicator that has been going on for a long time, one
00:12:25.020 that has been available to us, is the National Crime Victimization Survey.
00:12:30.020 And the difference between this and the FBI's collection method is that the FBI is ultimately
00:12:35.340 aggregating statistics that have been brought in by the individual departments and, you know,
00:12:40.940 the regions.
00:12:41.940 So whatever the official numbers are being brought in by different sheriff's offices and, you
00:12:47.540 know, investigators and all these different things, that is then being aggregated into
00:12:51.820 the FBI crime statistics.
00:12:53.220 But again, if the local level breaks down, if the reporting at the local level breaks down,
00:12:57.440 even if there isn't a malicious intent at the top, which I absolutely believe there is,
00:13:02.300 you're still going to get heavily skewed statistics.
00:13:04.480 And so if we take a look at this crime report, this one is done differently.
00:13:10.280 Rather than taking the aggregated data across all these local reporters, what it does is
00:13:15.720 it takes a couple hundred people and surveys them every year.
00:13:20.120 And when it does that, it comes up with very different statistics because it's not just taking
00:13:25.800 the officially reported crime, but it's taking people who perhaps did not go out and report
00:13:32.040 that crime, did not actually file an official police report or have that report properly
00:13:38.040 logged through them and through the department and into the FBI.
00:13:41.440 But instead, it is surveying the entirety of that group and saying, have you experienced
00:13:46.960 any of this type of crime during this year?
00:13:49.780 And so for the 2020 data set, which is the same that the FBI was pulling from, we see instead
00:13:57.780 of a 4.5 increase in violent crime, which is what they reported after they stealth adjusted
00:14:05.880 it after the debates and after voting started, instead of 4.5%, we actually see a jaw dropping
00:14:12.820 29.1%.
00:14:15.460 And if we stretch that out, not just for that one year, but the entirety of the Biden-Harris
00:14:21.080 administration, we actually see a staggering 55.4% increase in crime.
00:14:28.560 You can look at the graph that's been assembled here from that data, and you can see that the
00:14:33.560 Trump numbers are in orange and they go down on everything except rape.
00:14:39.240 The total, total violent crime goes down.
00:14:42.640 Uh, robbery goes down.
00:14:43.960 Aggravated assault goes down.
00:14:45.780 Rape is the one that goes up there. 1.00
00:14:48.320 9%.
00:14:49.220 When we look at the Harris and Biden data, we see 55% total crime over that time, 42% in
00:14:58.000 rape, 63% in robbery, 55% in aggravated assault.
00:15:03.660 Now this seems really high, but if you look and, you know, you, you feel like which of these,
00:15:09.880 you know, data is collections of data actually feels like it accurately represents the amount
00:15:14.780 of crime that we are seeing in our neighborhoods around us, these kinds of things, this feels far
00:15:20.220 more accurate.
00:15:21.120 Um, ultimately, you know, though, again, either way, we're still trying to trust these statistics
00:15:26.900 that are being, uh, that are being brought together by organizations that we ultimately
00:15:31.140 may not have a high degree of trust in.
00:15:34.100 Well, right.
00:15:37.160 And again, to me, it all comes back down to that.
00:15:40.700 Like, well, what do you see?
00:15:43.100 You know, look like it's very possible for, to be deceived, right?
00:15:46.460 You could just live in a rough area, but the fact that, and I'm sure other people share
00:15:50.640 this, right.
00:15:51.240 That I have friends and contacts all across the U S and everyone is reporting the same
00:15:56.160 thing.
00:15:56.440 There is an air of, of mass lawlessness.
00:15:58.560 It's, you know, what Sam Francis would refer to as a narco tyranny, where there's the feeling
00:16:02.820 that, you know, if I, as a, as a normal person steps out of line, I'm very likely to be dealt
00:16:07.920 with harshly, but, you know, it, for instance, in the case of, you know, auto theft, you know,
00:16:12.780 any one of these, these crimes or, you know, what we're seeing in Chicago with, with gangland
00:16:17.300 shootings being charged as mutual combat, right.
00:16:20.320 Like they, like two guys agreed to a bar fight is that for the, for the criminal underclass 1.00
00:16:24.900 of America, right.
00:16:25.640 The people who commit the vast majority of these violent crimes, the state is not interested
00:16:31.120 in intervening, right.
00:16:32.300 It is simply not a problem for them in the same way that it's a problem for the people
00:16:36.720 who actually live here, right.
00:16:38.240 You and I are on.
00:16:40.380 And so ultimately we see, like you said that, you know, they're, they're leaving the concerns
00:16:44.660 of the average person behind.
00:16:46.440 They don't care how crime is actually manifesting itself in your neighborhood.
00:16:50.980 And then it, you know, they kind of post this lackadaisical attitude as if it's a triumph.
00:16:57.400 They say, oh, well, we can't be bothered to respond to your calls anymore.
00:17:01.520 We can't be bothered to chase us down.
00:17:03.860 I have several friends just again, anecdotally in my personal life who have had property crimes
00:17:08.820 perpetrated against them.
00:17:09.960 And even though we have relatively good law enforcement comparatively to the rest of the
00:17:13.860 country in my area, they still get basically, well, there's just no way we're actually going
00:17:18.500 to bother to chase that down.
00:17:20.180 You know, yeah, you may have lost thousands of dollars in property, but we, we're just
00:17:23.680 not going to, you know, bother to even send a police officer out to check that out or record
00:17:28.900 that in any way.
00:17:29.980 And so, you know, we get this, this completely indifferent attitude to the suffering of the
00:17:35.060 average person, the condition in which most Americans are actually living.
00:17:38.920 And then that is reported as a triumph.
00:17:40.780 Well, we couldn't be bothered to report the crimes against you.
00:17:44.820 So look, it's, we, we ended up having less crime.
00:17:47.520 Isn't this amazing?
00:17:48.460 Isn't, isn't Kamala Harris doing a fantastic job? 0.96
00:17:52.160 You know, we, we couldn't send an officer out to check out the fact that you were devastated
00:17:55.640 by this crime.
00:17:56.520 And now we, you know, we're going to count that as some kind of positive achievement that
00:18:01.360 we manifested in, you know, in the lives of the people.
00:18:04.520 And again, when you, when you are abstracting this data across so many different, uh, you know,
00:18:11.100 regions of the country, people have to trust it to some degree in order to, uh, have an accurate
00:18:17.160 picture of what the world looks like.
00:18:18.820 And, and this is really ultimately what our leaders are terrified of when we hear about
00:18:23.940 misinformation and disinformation and Trump and the Republicans attacking science and
00:18:28.920 undermining trust in institutions.
00:18:30.660 What they really mean is that these people are just pointing out what is obvious so that
00:18:34.800 all of these institutions, and you already pointed out Bureau of labor statistics over,
00:18:39.140 over reporting, uh, you know, the number of jobs by 800,000, you know, on your way to a
00:18:45.660 million jobs that they functionally lied about just to cook their statistics.
00:18:50.200 When we have the department of health, obviously cooking everything when it came to the pandemic,
00:18:54.660 when we have the, uh, you know, our crime reports completely skewed, people are increasingly
00:19:00.180 recognizing that at every domain, our institutions are failing.
00:19:04.300 And this means that the kind of unified perception of the state of the nation that the regime relied
00:19:11.780 on in order to kind of use this as a fulcrum to create the politics that they wanted, that
00:19:17.580 is failing.
00:19:18.120 And they are recognized this and they are panicking in this, right?
00:19:20.980 Because if they no longer have this unified understanding of we produce the data, you believe
00:19:26.120 the data, and then we act on that data and that justifies our political action, then they
00:19:31.420 end up in a situation where there's just this completely fractured reality.
00:19:36.040 And again, this is, this is, you know, John Kerry just complained about this at a WEF summit
00:19:40.820 of all places.
00:19:41.440 The first amendment makes it really hard for us to chase down all of these, uh, places
00:19:45.640 that had an information we don't like and stamp them out.
00:19:48.140 He literally said, beat, you know, beat them down with a hammer, you know?
00:19:51.020 And, and so, uh, you know, they are fully aware of the crisis though.
00:19:55.400 They are blaming the people who are accurately reporting the experiences they have rather than saying,
00:20:00.960 well, maybe we shouldn't manipulate things so badly.
00:20:03.900 And that's really the most terrifying thing is rather than having any level of introspection,
00:20:08.520 you know, this is, this is what like our, our mutual friend, academic agent would say
00:20:13.140 is like, eventually power will correct this, right?
00:20:15.540 Like eventually power will look at this and say, okay, our manipulation of these things
00:20:19.640 is costing us too much.
00:20:20.860 Our, our, uh, continued efforts at manipulating reality are becoming too apparent.
00:20:26.560 And if we want to retain some level of credibility, if we want to be able to hold power through
00:20:31.600 our previous political formula, then we have to dial this back.
00:20:34.560 Like, right?
00:20:35.080 Like we're going to manipulate data.
00:20:36.360 Like that's going to happen.
00:20:37.340 We're going to manipulate reality.
00:20:38.780 That's how we got into power, but we have to, we have to be a little more cautious.
00:20:43.360 We have to use a little more finesse, a little more prudence in the way in which we deploy
00:20:47.780 this power.
00:20:48.580 We can't just throw it out and constantly completely contradict reality and expect people
00:20:53.580 to kind of go along with it.
00:20:55.200 But instead they have only accelerated into leaned into this process, which is why I'm pretty sure
00:21:00.320 AA is going to owe me a cigar, but it's also why I'm pretty sure that we are going to have
00:21:04.360 a more serious problem when it comes to social cohesion in the United States, because I don't
00:21:08.440 see these people making any corrections to their strategy.
00:21:11.840 Well, that actually brings up a very important question, right?
00:21:15.520 Which is basically, you know, what is the, is the correct way to rule?
00:21:19.520 Like, what can you expect of your rulers?
00:21:22.140 Because, you know, look, we're all hardened political realists here.
00:21:24.920 We realize that at least on earth, actually in heaven as well, you're never going to get
00:21:28.880 out of that, right?
00:21:29.580 Someone is going to be in charge.
00:21:31.580 Anarchism does not work.
00:21:33.060 So, right.
00:21:33.440 We accept that premise.
00:21:34.280 Someone's going to be in charge.
00:21:35.800 Well, it seems pretty clear, right?
00:21:37.220 That there are better and worse people to be in charge, better and worse systems.
00:21:40.960 So what makes a good one?
00:21:42.440 Well, at a very, very basic level, I'm talking Madlow's hierarchy of needs, right?
00:21:46.840 It's security, right?
00:21:48.540 The monopoly on violence, if you will, basically, can you keep your people safe?
00:21:53.060 So forgive me about a digression on feudalism, right?
00:21:56.300 Well, how did feudalism start?
00:21:57.420 Well, basically, the giant empire went away.
00:22:00.980 There were marauding bands of barbarians running around.
00:22:04.360 And everyone kind of looked to themselves and said, all right, I guess you're really good
00:22:08.480 at fighting.
00:22:09.200 So you're in charge now, right?
00:22:11.060 And that's a massive oversimplification.
00:22:12.980 But from that, right, that pure need from security, a society arose, right?
00:22:17.080 That guy eventually became, you know, kind of a warlord, then a baron, then a duke, and
00:22:20.680 a king.
00:22:20.960 And it became, right, a complicated nation state, right?
00:22:24.560 From that very, very simple monopoly on violence, right?
00:22:27.460 Who is the guy that keeps us safe?
00:22:29.440 And so right now, we're in a situation where we are, allegedly, the most powerful country
00:22:34.640 in the world, right?
00:22:35.780 The massive military, you know, better technology than anyone.
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00:23:10.300 And we can't stop property crime, right?
00:23:13.400 A problem that the Victorians managed to solve, you know?
00:23:17.300 Well, and the Atlantic actually just had a headline out.
00:23:20.620 Like, the shoplifting crisis is real, which is hilarious because they've been lying about
00:23:26.160 it for many years.
00:23:27.300 You know, it's the classic gaslighting.
00:23:29.180 It's not happening.
00:23:29.860 It's not happening.
00:23:30.580 It's not happening.
00:23:31.280 Actually, of course, it was happening the whole time.
00:23:33.680 And now we have to admit it.
00:23:35.100 But not only do they finally admit it, but then their follow-up is, no one knows how
00:23:40.020 to solve it, right?
00:23:41.740 But of course, as you point out, the Victorians knew how to solve it.
00:23:44.260 Everybody knows how to solve this.
00:23:45.700 The Bible told you how to solve this, right?
00:23:48.080 This is not new.
00:23:49.640 Bukele even put, you know, his report was, I know, you know, because he has recently
00:23:54.480 demonstrated exactly how you solve this problem.
00:23:57.320 Everyone knows how to solve crime.
00:23:58.820 This is not a mystery.
00:23:59.600 We don't need new technology.
00:24:01.000 We don't need new training.
00:24:02.560 We don't need, you know, new bills passed.
00:24:05.040 We just need to apply the thing that everyone knows works.
00:24:08.360 But we have literally labeled that which maintains socialism racist and fascist. 1.00
00:24:14.020 And it's like, okay, how long can you play that stupid game before you guys just win the 1.00
00:24:19.080 stupid prize? 1.00
00:24:19.820 Like, how long can you label basic social maintenance, the basic, you know, keeping down 1.00
00:24:25.620 property crime?
00:24:26.760 How long can you label that racist and fascist before someone's like, you know what?
00:24:29.840 I would actually just prefer my stuff not get stolen and I not get stabbed.
00:24:34.040 So maybe if you're that's, if that's the only thing you're going to label as capable of
00:24:38.100 maintaining civil, civil order, then maybe that doesn't sound so bad.
00:24:43.000 Well, definitely.
00:24:44.100 Right.
00:24:44.380 And, and really that question of, are you willing to, to do violence, right?
00:24:49.560 Is the fundamental question of sovereignty, right?
00:24:52.120 When we talk about something like the will to power, that's what we're saying.
00:24:54.800 Are you willing to fight for it?
00:24:56.260 And I'm not talking on an individual level, I'm talking on the level of nations, but fundamentally
00:25:00.540 the question of who is in charge is, well, who's willing to fight for it, right?
00:25:05.320 Because I mean, you see when two countries get into a disagreement, if it, you know, goes
00:25:09.300 to the most extreme, it becomes a war, right?
00:25:12.340 Where they basically said like, you'll take it off my cold dead hands, right?
00:25:15.720 That's the most extreme version of it.
00:25:17.460 But fundamentally that is the same desire as, as George Sorrell would say, that enables
00:25:22.200 the state to say, no, you're not allowed to do that.
00:25:25.080 You go straight to jail or in a medieval context, maybe you go somewhere else.
00:25:28.840 But point is, right?
00:25:30.280 The idea is that that ability, that will to say, no, there is order here is the same will
00:25:36.840 to say, I am in charge of this country.
00:25:39.140 You can't make me leave.
00:25:40.480 That is again, I'm going to say it again and again, the monopoly on violence, right?
00:25:44.580 That is what true authority looks like.
00:25:47.320 And so we're in a situation, right, where our elites are both from one perspective, frantically
00:25:54.000 grabbing onto sovereignty, right?
00:25:56.320 They want to be in charge.
00:25:57.540 They want to be in charge, but they don't want to rule, right?
00:26:00.200 They don't want to accept the responsibility for producing order.
00:26:05.480 And so to me, it's, it seems very much like, you know, we, we have people in charge, but we
00:26:11.920 don't have a sovereign, right?
00:26:13.200 We don't have someone who is saying like Bukele, I am in charge. 1.00
00:26:16.920 This is my country and the buck stops with me.
00:26:20.140 I mean, look, like I'm not the, you know, I'm not going to just sit here and turn this
00:26:26.940 into a digression about, you know, the American political election, but does literally anyone,
00:26:32.360 especially now think Joe Biden is in charge, right?
00:26:35.580 Like very clearly he's not, but who is, that's a very difficult question to ask.
00:26:41.040 And when you're in a situation where you have mass disorder, if you could say, well, he's
00:26:45.440 in charge and he's not producing order, well, then it's very clear who's responsible, who's
00:26:51.560 at fault.
00:26:51.900 Like if, if El Salvador became what El Salvador was 10 years ago, well, very clearly that's
00:26:57.620 Bukele's fault. 0.94
00:26:58.580 So we get someone else.
00:26:59.920 But in this situation, right, where we do have, whether you want to call it a deep state
00:27:03.020 and entrenched bureaucracy is kind of like diffuse network of power.
00:27:07.180 It's very difficult to say whose fault this is.
00:27:11.500 And so you have, again, like a situation where there is no one who is saying, you know, there
00:27:16.160 will be order here.
00:27:17.220 I, I will there to be order effectively.
00:27:21.420 Well, I want to transition to a discussion on body cams because there are some shocking
00:27:26.280 batting cam footage that came out the last few weeks or in the last week, uh, and that
00:27:31.680 a lot of been making the rounds everywhere.
00:27:33.340 And it's created quite a bit of controversy, certainly dovetails nicely into our discussion
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00:28:45.720 All right, guys.
00:28:46.940 So today we're also going to talk about this shooting, officer involved shooting of Sidney
00:28:53.260 Wilson.
00:28:54.080 Now, this is another one of those, you know, I can't believe that, you know, a black woman 1.00
00:29:00.660 has been shot by a police officer. 0.94
00:29:02.640 You know, this is terrible.
00:29:04.440 This is, you know, this is racism.
00:29:06.080 This is oppression.
00:29:07.620 I can't show you the footage on YouTube.
00:29:10.300 I'm pretty sure because that's going to that's going to violate some of their terms of service.
00:29:14.540 Uh, but I brought up the article here just so you could see some of the stills really
00:29:19.340 quickly.
00:29:20.340 Uh, but, uh, basically what happened is there was a wellness check called in, uh, on this
00:29:25.820 individual.
00:29:26.340 Now, the officer who responded is a guy named Peter Liu.
00:29:30.840 He had been through the training, uh, you know, to respond to mental health situations.
00:29:35.980 So a lot of people say, oh, well, you know, if they just sent a mental health, you know,
00:29:39.560 professional blah, blah, blah. 0.67
00:29:40.880 Uh, garbage, of course, but, you know, but, but anyway, he, he had been through the training 0.97
00:29:45.540 involved in this. 0.91
00:29:46.600 And when he knocked on the door, uh, this woman who herself, uh, used to be a, a college 0.99
00:29:52.240 basketball player.
00:29:53.040 In fact, her death was mourned by the Georgetown women's basketball team.
00:29:56.740 There's a post online, you know, saying, oh, we can't believe we've lost her.
00:30:01.080 What a tragedy.
00:30:02.180 Well, it turns out that once we look at the body cam footage of this woman being shot in
00:30:06.940 reality, what happens is that the police officer knocks on the door and she,
00:30:10.880 immediately emerges with a knife.
00:30:13.240 She comes, uh, lunging out of the room. 1.00
00:30:16.000 Now the officer, the entire time is saying, backup, backup, stop.
00:30:20.100 Do not, you know, do not advance.
00:30:21.880 Don't come forward.
00:30:23.000 Uh, you know, he makes it very clear that she needs to stop what she's doing.
00:30:26.060 Drop the knife.
00:30:26.720 He backs up before he's not shooting immediately.
00:30:29.440 Even though she's wielding the knife, she's lunging towards him. 0.94
00:30:32.080 He, he shows incredible restraint, but eventually she gets close enough to actually, you know,
00:30:37.740 here's her emerging from the door with the knife. 1.00
00:30:40.920 Uh, she's coming down the hallway again with the knife. 0.90
00:30:43.340 Eventually she gets close enough to actually cut the man. 1.00
00:30:45.820 As you can see here, multiple times on the face in the body cam footage, you can literally
00:30:49.780 see the blood dripping off of the man's face across his body cam as he's trying to call
00:30:55.260 in the shooting here.
00:30:56.500 But of course, unfortunately he is forced to stop this woman.
00:31:00.140 Uh, and, and the, the thing that is, there's two things that are amazing about this first,
00:31:05.660 uh, of course the response was this man should have done something else.
00:31:10.440 There should have been some other response, even once the body cam footage came out.
00:31:14.740 Uh, but on top of this, you know, we were the, the big push by criminal justice, justice
00:31:21.200 reform, uh, proponents was that we need body cams.
00:31:24.900 We need body cams.
00:31:25.660 Cause this is going to reveal how racist, you know, cops are, how violent they are.
00:31:30.000 This is going to show us the evidence that actually, uh, the, the police officers are
00:31:34.320 constantly biased against, uh, you know, people of color, this kind of thing.
00:31:39.820 BLM, these kinds of organizations were huge proponents of this.
00:31:42.960 And what has happened in most cases is actually body cam footage has shown us that, you know,
00:31:48.640 police are relatively reasonable in these scenarios.
00:31:51.120 Now I'd like to make it clear before we dive into this, that I don't think either of us,
00:31:56.420 while both of us respect, uh, you know, honest officers, I have a particular respect,
00:32:00.920 uh, someone who grew up in military bases and around people who are constantly in harm's way.
00:32:05.460 I have a particular respect for those willing to, uh, you know, put themselves in harm's way,
00:32:09.740 uh, to deploy violence when necessary to protect their fellow citizens.
00:32:13.460 But both of us also recognize that in many scenarios, especially given the current political
00:32:18.720 climate, uh, police are, you know, that we're, we're not back the blue in all situations.
00:32:23.580 Police are willing to follow, especially just think about the pandemic, the, the orders that
00:32:28.380 police were willing to follow in the situations.
00:32:30.660 It's not that police are just, you know, the, these amazing guardians that are beyond reproach.
00:32:35.540 Uh, I think it's entirely possible.
00:32:37.420 And I think evidence will show this, that police are, you know, brutalizing people in particular
00:32:42.740 situations.
00:32:43.440 But what we have seen from these body body cam footages over and over again, is that actually
00:32:50.060 in many scenarios, the police are being as restrained as possible.
00:32:54.020 And it shows us kind of the impossible situation that many of these officers are placed in like
00:32:59.200 this one.
00:32:59.860 So it was just amazing because everyone thought that the body cam footage would show us all
00:33:05.500 this, you know, systemic racism or whatever.
00:33:07.900 In reality, it shows us stuff like this, you know, a crazed woman wielding a knife. 0.82
00:33:13.480 Desperately slashing an officer who's begging with her to stop.
00:33:17.100 And only after he takes severe physical injury to himself, does he actually deploy lethal force?
00:33:22.440 And still this guy gets labeled as a racist.
00:33:25.160 The whole thing gets labeled as some kind of, you know, a new, new, uh, lynching in the,
00:33:30.240 in, in the incredibly racist America.
00:33:33.380 Well, and this goes, this is one of the things we can file under the heading of, uh, it literally
00:33:38.960 doesn't matter.
00:33:39.740 And not to say that it doesn't matter for us, but I'm saying that from the progressive
00:33:44.000 point of view, the situation does not matter.
00:33:47.660 It will be used to advance a political point.
00:33:49.980 This is the most clear cut instance possible.
00:33:54.040 Both people involved in it are minorities, right?
00:33:56.380 There's, there's no white person around to be, you know, the, the source of the white supremacy
00:34:00.300 here.
00:34:00.620 Uh, he knocked on the door respectfully and they had an interaction over and over again.
00:34:06.260 He tries to tell her to put down the knife, stop doing what you're doing.
00:34:09.680 She tried to stab him in the head, which is not like that.
00:34:14.000 That's not a wounding strike, right? 0.90
00:34:15.760 You're trying to stab someone in the face.
00:34:17.920 It's the most explicit justified case of self-defense.
00:34:21.560 But again, that doesn't matter because they don't really care.
00:34:24.260 They don't care about this woman.
00:34:25.600 They don't care about the man involved.
00:34:27.060 What they want to use it as, is a unit of political currency.
00:34:29.960 It is useful for them.
00:34:31.820 And again, right.
00:34:33.380 It goes back to what we were saying about crime earlier, that crime does matter for people
00:34:37.140 like us, right?
00:34:37.980 If you're this woman's neighbor, you want her to be okay, but you want her to be dealt with, 1.00
00:34:42.840 right?
00:34:42.980 You don't want to live around a knife wielding psychopath, right?
00:34:46.660 It's almost so obvious you'd barely have to say it.
00:34:49.600 And likewise, like this woman should not be in the type of situation where she is endangering
00:34:54.840 herself and others.
00:34:55.820 It would be better if this hadn't happened.
00:34:57.940 But within the bounded rationality of the situation, the officer acted as he was supposed
00:35:03.320 to, right?
00:35:04.020 To protect other people and himself.
00:35:05.960 And it was cheaply turned into a token to, you know, advance a political agenda as we've
00:35:11.660 seen any number of times.
00:35:13.280 Yeah, it really is the, the life that you're asking people to live, right?
00:35:19.560 We should not have to live this way.
00:35:21.420 The fact that someone in my area, I know they're unwell.
00:35:25.240 I know they could be unstable.
00:35:26.540 I know they could be violent.
00:35:28.240 And if I call the police on this person, I could be the bad guy.
00:35:33.000 I could be the racist.
00:35:33.960 If the police responds and something terrible happens, then the police, the police officer
00:35:38.560 could, could be the wrong person.
00:35:40.700 Everyone is being held accountable.
00:35:42.560 Everyone else is being charged.
00:35:44.820 Everyone else is being blamed, except the people perpetrating the crime, the people creating
00:35:48.780 a situation in which everyone is feeling unsafe.
00:35:51.640 And so fewer and fewer people report the crimes, as we've already pointed out when it came to
00:35:55.720 the crime statistics.
00:35:57.120 And more and more people are forced to live in this constant dread of people that they
00:36:02.160 know were dangerous.
00:36:03.580 So again, they don't want their children out.
00:36:05.320 They don't want to, you know, they don't want, uh, you know, to, uh, allow their wives 1.00
00:36:10.540 to go places because they are scared that there's just no safety.
00:36:14.660 There's the, the, the, the racial quant, uh, the racial calculation is more important to
00:36:21.840 society than the actual safety of the people involved.
00:36:24.340 We can go right to Daniel Penny in, in New York.
00:36:27.480 And the fact that he is facing murder charges, uh, over the fact that he defended people
00:36:32.920 from a crazed guy who's threatening to harm them.
00:36:35.880 When that is how you treat people, that is how you create the men without chess.
00:36:39.980 This is how you create a society of fear.
00:36:42.320 This is how you create the anarcho tyranny because people are terrified to, uh, you know,
00:36:48.020 they, they know that law enforcement is not going to step up and protect them in many
00:36:51.020 situations because, you know, that I'm sure that officer is now facing some kind of, uh,
00:36:56.820 you know, uh, scrutiny just due to this act before the body camera footage came out.
00:37:01.120 But on top of that, they can't take any self-defense action because we see what happens to a guy
00:37:05.480 like Daniel Penny.
00:37:06.540 And so we create a society in which women are unsafe, children are unsafe. 1.00
00:37:11.320 And the hilarious thing is then like a lot of, you know, for instance, single women who 1.00
00:37:15.860 vote for Democrats say, well, I am unsafe.
00:37:18.000 Why?
00:37:18.200 Well, because of men, right?
00:37:19.860 Rather than recognizing actually, no, you're unsafe because you've cowed men and made it 0.95
00:37:23.980 impossible for them to actually defend you.
00:37:26.720 You've created a scenario where the, the racial calculus is more important than the protection,
00:37:32.400 the safety of your neighborhood.
00:37:33.900 And now you can't walk outside and you're, you're not blaming the government.
00:37:38.220 You're not making, blaming the people who actually made that the, you know, the kind
00:37:42.420 of the law of the land, the situation which you live in, you're blaming, you know, men
00:37:46.640 in general or people or men in your life rather than actually looking at the people involved.
00:37:51.680 I want to bring this up just because, you know, I don't normally want to just show replies
00:37:55.640 to myself on Twitter, but this guy's reply went viral because it was so bad.
00:37:59.400 So I had a tweet on this body cam, you know, me just saying, you know, you know, what,
00:38:04.660 what, what you actually get on body camera, be able to end up getting like, you know, over
00:38:09.540 a hundred thousand likes.
00:38:10.620 And so this guy responded and in his bio, it literally says like, uh, you know, communist
00:38:15.820 cat lover.
00:38:16.760 It's everything you'd expect.
00:38:18.400 Uh, but he says, uh, this was, this was racism and abuse.
00:38:22.260 He had a gun and she didn't, she was clearly having a psychotic episode.
00:38:26.620 People having psychotic episodes don't deserve to be murdered.
00:38:29.440 So what he's basically saying here, there's really, really not even much, uh, you know, 0.97
00:38:35.740 there's not really much of a Dale, uh, over it is saying, if a black person wants to kill 0.99
00:38:40.320 you, you have to die. 0.99
00:38:41.940 If a person of color decides to commit a crime against you, it is your job to allow that 1.00
00:38:47.920 crime to happen up to and including your own murder.
00:38:50.880 And if you take actions to stop that murder, or if you see someone who seems like they 0.98
00:38:57.420 are a danger to themselves or others, and you call that in and someone responds, then
00:39:02.060 they are racist. 0.58
00:39:03.160 That is abuse. 0.85
00:39:04.380 There is no scenario in which that is a reasonable response.
00:39:09.340 Any self-defense, any attempt to avoid becoming a victim is itself a crime against the state.
00:39:15.780 It is violating the taboo of racism.
00:39:20.880 Yeah, I mean, going back to what you said earlier, right, it's, there, there's multiple
00:39:27.860 ways to look at the, the impact of, of crime, right?
00:39:31.600 The easiest is just, well, who gets hurt, right?
00:39:35.000 The, the, the second order, right, is the economic impact, right?
00:39:37.940 Oh, you got your property stolen.
00:39:39.380 You weren't able to do something else, but we're talking about the social impact, right?
00:39:43.360 You know, you were talking earlier, like, oh, I don't want to let my kids go outside.
00:39:46.100 I'm forced to live with these, you know, these violent people all the time.
00:39:50.860 It, it completely destroys the kind of cohesive nature of a community.
00:39:56.120 And on a whole nother level, right?
00:39:58.320 If you have people who don't live around you saying, if you don't want to live like this,
00:40:03.220 there's a moral failing with you, right? 1.00
00:40:05.440 You should stand there and let yourself be stabbed in the face. 0.99
00:40:08.760 It's like, well, and I'm not trying to be sensational here, but like, how do you have 0.99
00:40:13.720 a conversation with that person?
00:40:15.500 You know, I don't really know what happens in Massachusetts.
00:40:17.580 I don't want to go there.
00:40:18.960 I, God willing, I never will again, but I really have no opinion on the kind of laws they
00:40:23.200 have there, right?
00:40:23.760 It's, it's not anywhere near me, but this, you know, this kind of like state religion that
00:40:28.000 is very, very interested in what goes on where you live, right?
00:40:31.840 Is very interested in how crime is handled in your city, right?
00:40:35.840 Is basically going to say that, you know, the kind of, and I'm going to use a leftist
00:40:40.320 term here, right?
00:40:40.920 The lived experience of the people who, who are there, right?
00:40:44.680 You have to be, you know, watch their, their culture basically fray, you know, due to this,
00:40:49.880 this level of background violence, it's simply not a concern to them.
00:40:53.740 I mean, again, like I said, I, I, I don't want to just like reduce it to the, to the pure,
00:41:00.920 you know, dollars and cents, right?
00:41:02.880 The chart went up that's bad because there's a very real human cost to this, right?
00:41:07.760 It's difficult to quantify how many people didn't go out to dinner with their family
00:41:12.120 because they were worried about getting mugged, you know, or how many people, you know, have
00:41:16.140 you seen the, the photos from San Francisco, right?
00:41:18.780 Of people putting signs on their window that says, you know, don't break in.
00:41:22.200 I don't have anything in here, right? 0.77
00:41:23.920 Take these kinds of ridiculous, you know, ridiculous precautions to avoid crime.
00:41:29.340 And it's something that, again, in the richest country in the world, you wouldn't assume would 0.90
00:41:34.300 be the case, right?
00:41:35.500 There are countries significantly poorer than ours that don't have these problems.
00:41:39.780 It is fundamentally a choice, right?
00:41:42.780 Our elites have chosen for this to be the case and they are choosing to still allow it.
00:41:47.460 Um, yeah, this really reflected itself in an interview that I, uh, I played recently on
00:41:54.880 the show where, you know, uh, JD Vance was speaking with that ABC host and they're talking
00:42:01.220 about the takeover, the hostile takeover of apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado.
00:42:07.960 And, you know, they're, they're on this misinformation thing.
00:42:10.660 Oh, everything's a conspiracy.
00:42:11.840 It's all right-wingers blowing out of, uh, out of proportion.
00:42:15.000 That's, that's kind of the only line they have left at this point.
00:42:18.080 Sure.
00:42:18.460 Maybe, you know, they've given up on, it's not happening at all, but well, it's not, you
00:42:22.560 know, you're, you're being disproportionate.
00:42:24.300 And she says, oh, well, it's only a handful.
00:42:27.060 You know, the police, we talked to the police and they said, it's only a handful of apartment
00:42:31.440 complexes.
00:42:32.300 Right.
00:42:32.760 And, and, and they're trying to deal with it.
00:42:34.680 And JD Vance stops her and says, do you hear yourself?
00:42:38.020 Like, do you hear the words that you're saying?
00:42:40.280 Like, we have a woman who is incredibly privileged.
00:42:44.100 She is probably living in a very upscale neighborhood.
00:42:47.820 She is never facing any of these obstacles, any of these problems.
00:42:52.680 She, her job is to get in front of the nation and in theory, convey their concerns to their
00:42:58.960 political leaders.
00:42:59.960 And she gets up there and she looks people in the eye and says, well, you know, you're
00:43:04.580 just trying to cause hysteria because only a few apartment complexes are captured by
00:43:10.400 Venezuelan gangs.
00:43:12.120 Now that's not true.
00:43:14.360 It's a lie.
00:43:14.860 But even if it wasn't the fact that she would even phrase that as like, oh, well, only a
00:43:20.220 few apartment complexes where Americans live have been completely captured by armed men
00:43:27.260 from a foreign country.
00:43:28.360 There's a word for when armed men from a foreign country capture parts of your country and make 0.98
00:43:35.020 it impossible for the people who live there that that's called an invasion that that's
00:43:40.620 conquest by, by any definition throughout history.
00:43:44.460 But our elites are just like, well, that's not, it's only a few, it's just a handful.
00:43:49.320 And this is their approach to everything.
00:43:51.240 You know, well, it's only, it's only a few apartment complexes.
00:43:55.260 It's only a few deaths from, you know, fentanyl laced drugs.
00:43:59.020 It's only a little human trafficking.
00:44:00.620 It's only a few rapes or murders.
00:44:02.760 Well, maybe we fudge the things a little bit.
00:44:05.260 Like this is the worst type of like your five-year-old lying to you that we've ever seen.
00:44:11.080 And yet this is supposed to be the way in which our elite class communicates the constant
00:44:16.020 degradation of our society.
00:44:17.360 And, and to quote Anna Kasparian, they're better than you, right?
00:44:21.860 That's how they view it.
00:44:23.020 They view themselves as this kind of like unassailable white, you know, like ivory tower, right? 0.90
00:44:29.080 You know, they're better than everyone.
00:44:30.300 They deserve to be at the top and by, by their output, that's not, that's not showing, right?
00:44:37.420 Very clearly, these people are not good at running a country.
00:44:41.940 And, you know, one of the things that I think about a lot, right?
00:44:44.540 Cause you, you've seen this in kind of multiple, uh, multiple kind of social changes over the
00:44:50.540 last, let's just say 50 years, right?
00:44:52.740 Where oftentimes the consequences are delayed, right?
00:44:56.840 You get this kind of sugar rush from changing something, you know, uh, legalizing weed is
00:45:00.940 a great example, right?
00:45:01.720 Oh, there's all this money coming in and everything's going great.
00:45:05.680 And then four or five years down the line, you start to see that, wait a minute, there
00:45:09.700 were some consequences to doing that, right?
00:45:11.380 Regardless of your opinions.
00:45:12.960 Uh, and again, I think that basically what we're seeing is, you know, the, the knock-on
00:45:18.360 effect of the lawlessness of 2020, right?
00:45:22.780 That, that whole complex, right?
00:45:26.260 Propelled Joe Biden to one of the greatest, uh, political victories of all time, right?
00:45:30.980 More popular than Obama, you know, an amazing, a truly amazing politician.
00:45:35.020 Uh, it worked, right?
00:45:37.780 It did what it was needed for.
00:45:40.500 And the problem is, right?
00:45:42.360 Those consequences, certainly some of them were easily apparent, especially if you lived
00:45:46.420 in Kenosha, but that created a knock-on effect where immediately afterwards, there was a massive
00:45:52.500 increase in traffic fatalities, murders, robberies, almost overnight, right?
00:45:58.760 You can look into the sociology of this, but it's effectively a tabletop graph, right?
00:46:02.420 We go up a massive amount one day to the other, which is very difficult to explain.
00:46:07.640 And now that's compounded, right?
00:46:10.000 We have a society where for four years, a large number of crimes have been decriminalized,
00:46:15.420 have been normalized, right?
00:46:17.060 I mentioned earlier Chicago, right?
00:46:19.100 Chicago, the DA there has declined to prosecute a lot of gangland shootings, treating them not
00:46:24.840 as crimes, but as mutual combat, right?
00:46:27.100 Which is a legal term.
00:46:28.340 I'm no lawyer, right?
00:46:29.520 For if I say, Aura, you know, I don't like your shirt and you say, well, I don't like
00:46:33.340 your shirt either.
00:46:33.960 Let's take this outside.
00:46:35.240 You know, we get into a scuffle, the cops show up and we both say like, hey, look, yeah,
00:46:39.060 this was mutual, no need to get the police involved.
00:46:41.660 We'll go home, right?
00:46:42.600 That's what that exists for.
00:46:43.880 Not for gangbangers trading shots out of a busted out Nissan Altima, right?
00:46:48.320 That is not the purpose for that law, right?
00:46:50.560 Gangland stuff.
00:46:51.200 But again, right?
00:46:52.660 That has been normalized.
00:46:53.920 That is acceptable, quote unquote.
00:46:55.720 And those chickens are coming home to roost.
00:46:59.260 And you see it not in the official data, at least the first time around.
00:47:04.540 But when we get the actual account, we can see that those decisions do matter, right?
00:47:08.680 This wasn't free.
00:47:09.620 This wasn't free lunch.
00:47:10.600 It wasn't a free choice.
00:47:12.560 And really the desire, right?
00:47:14.880 Going back to what do we want in a good leader is a leader whose interests are aligned with
00:47:19.760 our own, right?
00:47:20.840 Someone like Hoppe would write about where he wants his country to do well, right?
00:47:25.440 He wants his people to prosper.
00:47:28.540 It's never perfect, right?
00:47:29.600 I'm not kind of pining after some philosopher king, but very clearly the people in charge
00:47:34.140 of this country do not have our best interest at heart.
00:47:36.940 If anything, they have the exact opposite.
00:47:39.020 Yeah, I think it's critical for people to understand that ultimately this is, as you
00:47:47.580 point out, diminishing returns, right?
00:47:49.140 It gets the job done at the moment.
00:47:50.860 It secures power when it needs to.
00:47:52.480 Yep, you got Biden into office.
00:47:54.100 Congratulations.
00:47:55.200 But what did it cost you?
00:47:56.600 You know, you can pull this truck once.
00:47:58.160 You can pull this trick twice.
00:47:59.700 But eventually, you know, when does it end?
00:48:02.480 Now, there are some doomers who say this can just go on forever.
00:48:05.400 Remember that, you know, the American people have no spine and there will never be any 1.00
00:48:09.920 real, you know, consequence for this.
00:48:13.420 But I think we are starting to see it.
00:48:15.380 I think we really are socially manifesting.
00:48:18.120 A few years ago, if a, you know, if a news organization challenged a Republican and said, 0.66
00:48:24.540 you disagreed with an official source, therefore, you know, you're some kind of crazy conspiracy
00:48:29.660 theorist, that Republican would jump back in line. 1.00
00:48:32.200 And that's because the Republicans are useless and garbage. 1.00
00:48:35.400 But increasingly, there are people who are inside administrations, inside organizations, 1.00
00:48:40.660 even inside the Republican Party itself, who are recognizing that this is a failing
00:48:46.560 tactic, that they can't be cowed by this, that if they continue to worry more about what
00:48:51.080 the media is labeling them than what people are actually seeing, that they're going to
00:48:55.200 lose power in a real way.
00:48:57.460 Some of them genuinely want change.
00:48:59.360 Some of them are just reacting to incentives.
00:49:02.000 But either way, I think there is a serious shift.
00:49:04.680 If not enough, there are still far too many people in the GOP and even in the conservative
00:49:09.940 movement more broadly that still, you know, clamor for the respect of the New York Times
00:49:14.700 or ABC or NBC or Harvard or whatever.
00:49:17.280 But more and more politicians are realizing, leaders are realizing that there is more to be gained by questioning the system and questioning its results and questioning the manipulation than
00:49:30.880 there is by buying into it and maintaining the respectability of credible institutions.
00:49:36.540 Because there is no credible credibility in those institutions.
00:49:40.340 They are trading on it.
00:49:41.420 They are burning it as fast as they can.
00:49:44.660 And so I think that is a positive direction.
00:49:46.720 It's bad for the overall society because we rely on that institutional consensus to coordinate our vast bureaucratic managerial system.
00:49:56.020 But it is good for those who recognize that system is ultimately harmful to the well-being of people.
00:50:03.580 Because as you've pointed out repeatedly, they are actively ignoring that in the hopes of creating this data and manipulating this data and compelling outcomes.
00:50:12.140 But even our political leaders, even many of whom have been cowards in the past, are starting to recognize if they want a future, they have to be willing to question at some level what is coming out of these official sources.
00:50:24.640 Well, definitely.
00:50:25.900 Right.
00:50:26.120 And look, you know, neither you nor I is particularly liberal.
00:50:30.940 Right.
00:50:31.300 In the broad sense of that word.
00:50:32.680 But there is something to the idea of the consent of the governed.
00:50:36.700 Right.
00:50:36.980 People have to think that their government is at least in some way legitimate.
00:50:41.200 And if the government can't hold up its end of the deal, right, if it can't do the things that governments do, like at a very basic level, provide security, it loses legitimacy.
00:50:51.900 OK, that doesn't matter immediately.
00:50:54.000 Right.
00:50:54.140 Losing the mandate of heaven doesn't immediately kick you out of power.
00:50:57.760 But the problem is, right, governments depend on a lot of soft power.
00:51:01.860 Right.
00:51:01.980 How often in your life do you really interact with government force?
00:51:05.940 Probably not that often.
00:51:07.300 But, you know, you assume that if I don't do what I'm supposed to, someone will come and get me.
00:51:11.540 Right.
00:51:11.660 They need that.
00:51:12.500 That is basically the game they play.
00:51:14.880 And if they lose that respect.
00:51:16.960 Right.
00:51:17.100 If people don't assume they are dangerous or capable or worthy of respect, well, you get something like the government of Haiti.
00:51:24.300 Right.
00:51:24.720 Where everyone basically just does whatever they want.
00:51:27.200 And the government is not a factor in their life.
00:51:29.800 Right.
00:51:30.000 It doesn't matter to them.
00:51:31.200 And I think that, you know, I'm not trying to take this in a libertarian direction, not at all.
00:51:36.340 But the problem is, in order to run a country, you need to be seen as, at least by a certain percentage of people, as legitimate and as being really in charge.
00:51:45.380 I mean, look at, you know, like the Russia-Ukraine situation.
00:51:48.020 You know, there are places where they're technically legally still part of Ukraine.
00:51:51.820 But Russians drove tanks through there.
00:51:55.380 So it's like, well, does it matter if you're, another example, in Colorado, right, technically part of the U.S., but a bunch of Venezuelan guys control the bloc with guns, right? 0.90
00:52:05.000 Who's really in charge?
00:52:06.560 Right.
00:52:06.680 And so this loss of sovereignty, right, it's not purely theoretical.
00:52:10.280 It does matter.
00:52:11.840 And I think that, to your point, right, it's not good in the short term because I want to live in a good country.
00:52:18.060 But as someone who despises this government, well, they're kind of doing it to themselves.
00:52:24.940 Yeah.
00:52:25.500 I mean, at some point, maybe we'll get the dread rollout.
00:52:28.660 You know, you just, you know, put the whole combo in there.
00:52:31.340 Yeah, you can.
00:52:32.300 Yeah, really.
00:52:33.320 The only way to actually police, you know, megacity one is through that kind of justice.
00:52:38.980 It certainly can't make some of these Democrat cities worse.
00:52:43.660 No, no, it would strictly be an upgrade from the current system.
00:52:47.320 I don't, well, while I may be joking about the creation of that bureau, I'm not joking for about, you know, how it would be an improvement in the slightest.
00:52:55.640 It all depends on your definition of the term community policing, all right?
00:52:59.960 That's exactly right.
00:53:01.660 All right, guys.
00:53:02.400 Well, we're going to move over to the questions of the people.
00:53:04.540 But before we do, Jay, where can people find your great work?
00:53:07.400 So sure, my primary output is the Jay Burden Show, which is, as Aaron intonated, is an interview show, two episodes a week.
00:53:14.160 And you can find that on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts.
00:53:19.540 Again, thank you so much for having me on, Aaron.
00:53:21.300 Of course.
00:53:22.080 Always a pleasure.
00:53:23.380 Let's see here.
00:53:24.740 Arthur says, progressives lobby to make body cams a requirement for years.
00:53:30.060 Ironic how the cameras proved how insane a portion of society really is.
00:53:35.820 It's real is reopening lunatic asylums of valid, a valid solution. 1.00
00:53:41.160 Yeah.
00:53:41.760 Again, it's such a huge thing that it backfires.
00:53:45.420 And I think that's, you know, a huge part of this reveal has been that, you know, we recognize that the system has its faults and problems, but ultimately we see kind of the nature of violence and the reality of it from the body cams more than we see any kind of systemic oppression of particular communities.
00:54:06.720 Touching on the insane asylum thing, obviously this person was unwell in this particular situation that they were called because of a mental health issue.
00:54:16.440 But I'd also like to make it clear that while we need a more robust way to deal with mental health, the idea that opening asylums kind of solves this problem in and of itself is also an issue.
00:54:29.020 Crime and insanity are not the same thing.
00:54:31.720 It's not that insane people don't commit crime and there isn't a problem with those that do, but the majority of our crime is not committed by people who are mentally unwell.
00:54:42.220 The majority of our crime is committed by people who are malicious and bad.
00:54:47.320 And that's something we should recognize is that evil is real.
00:54:51.140 You know, humans are flawed.
00:54:53.220 And ultimately there is a, you know, the 80% of our crime tends to be done by about 20% of criminals.
00:54:59.940 So it's not just, you know, lunatics that though, though, obviously putting people in asylums who deserve to be in asylums would be an improvement. 1.00
00:55:09.420 Well, and that's a point for another time, right?
00:55:12.300 But treating criminality as sort of a psychic illness, right?
00:55:19.320 That's a very insidious change in how we view criminality.
00:55:22.660 Again, complicated discussion for another time, but nonetheless, an interesting point.
00:55:27.660 Robert Winesfield says, now we're Nazi adjacent, adjacent, adjacent.
00:55:33.580 I'm telling the Talmudic network, kidding, big fan of the Beaver King. 1.00
00:55:37.520 Keep it up with the great pod work.
00:55:40.840 Well, thank you very much, Robert.
00:55:43.060 The aristocratic utensil.
00:55:44.940 Ah, two of my favorite people that keep me from losing what's left of my mind.
00:55:49.980 Well, thank you for coming by, sir.
00:55:51.520 I just realized you have your own YouTube channel, so I'm sure people can check that out.
00:55:56.040 I think he might be bigger than both of us, actually, if I'm not mistaken.
00:55:59.540 Yeah, he's a friend of mine.
00:56:01.340 I've had him on the show before, and he does a lot of viewership.
00:56:05.060 So I recommend his stuff.
00:56:06.800 If you like us, you'll like it, right?
00:56:08.540 Very nice.
00:56:09.020 Flimper are with the Beaver there, just respecting the Beaver Gang. 0.97
00:56:16.320 Florida Henry says, first-hand knowledge.
00:56:18.120 This data is very skewed by each department.
00:56:20.160 Slow departments make up crime for funding, and busy departments are buried in paperwork
00:56:25.340 and shed crime incidents.
00:56:26.980 Yeah, precisely.
00:56:27.640 Again, as someone, you know, not in not direct law enforcement experience, but plenty of direct
00:56:34.640 experience in government bureaucracy and the way in which it has manipulated, I agree 100%.
00:56:39.580 It's very clear that this is manipulated.
00:56:43.300 Again, I want to make it clear the top is corrupt. 0.74
00:56:48.080 Like, the FBI is corrupt.
00:56:49.580 The government is lying to you.
00:56:51.260 All of these things are true.
00:56:52.340 I just also want to make it clear that everyone along the chain is also incentivized to lie as
00:56:57.340 well.
00:56:57.920 So whatever the problem is at the top, and it is significant, as we can see in the differences
00:57:02.040 in the crime data that we've already compared, but as bad as you think it is there, I assure
00:57:06.180 you, it is much worse.
00:57:07.780 Sorry about the black pill there, but.
00:57:11.800 Creeper Weirdo says, dose the left, does, I think that's supposed to be, does the left
00:57:17.000 trust the science anymore?
00:57:19.200 Yeah, I mean, they trust that you will believe what they tell you is the science.
00:57:23.540 I think that's the big thing.
00:57:25.360 Um, perspicacious heretic says, but Steven Pinker said everything was getting better.
00:57:30.400 Yes.
00:57:31.040 But, you know, up and to the right, up and to the right.
00:57:33.520 You know what I love about Steven Pinker is he wrote a book about the blank slate and then
00:57:37.400 completely ignored it.
00:57:38.980 Um, but right up there with Jonathan Haidt writing The Righteous Mind and then completely
00:57:43.220 ignoring all of the conclusions of his own work.
00:57:45.220 Yeah, I mean, uh, I'll put it this way.
00:57:49.480 Uh, that argument might've been, uh, plausible 10 years ago, but I mean, I feel like I can
00:57:56.920 just gesture outside and, uh, yeah, see that his arguments didn't pan out.
00:58:02.640 Yeah, one of those end of history, oh no, did I, did I freeze that in amber for people
00:58:08.300 to see forever type scenarios?
00:58:11.440 Uh, Flubbar says, the leftist mob will always defend the evildoer from Barabbas to Wilson.
00:58:18.140 There is no convincing them, only dismissing them.
00:58:21.180 Yep.
00:58:21.640 Can't argue with that.
00:58:24.180 Cooper Weirder says, friendly reminder to the black pill is a suppository, insert dirty
00:58:28.060 hairy quote here, insert unfortunate choice of words.
00:58:33.280 Uh, Torin McCabe says, Biden is not in charge, but hypothetically, if we had a communist strongman
00:58:38.500 leader, he could easily just delegate to our current admins, thus no change.
00:58:43.720 Yeah.
00:58:43.960 And I, I think Torin, that's ultimately the point for a lot of people that look at someone
00:58:48.360 like, you know, Kamala Harris and you know, what is she going to change?
00:58:52.360 Nothing because Biden isn't in charge and she won't be in charge either.
00:58:55.760 You know, there's a lot of people on the right, a lot of Republican commentators, conservative
00:58:59.900 commentators say, oh no, Harris is so much more dangerous.
00:59:03.480 Maybe, but probably not. 1.00
00:59:05.180 Like, does she, is she stupid? 1.00
00:59:07.220 Does she have bad principles? 1.00
00:59:08.620 Yes.
00:59:08.900 A hundred percent.
00:59:09.860 But are any of her convictions significant enough where she would override the people
00:59:14.180 in charge, push down some very dangerous idea that she has?
00:59:17.320 I significantly doubt that she'll just do what she's told.
00:59:21.100 And what she's going to be told is terrible enough.
00:59:23.200 And then Creeper Weirdo says, who else is tired of criminals laughing in court?
00:59:31.280 Yeah.
00:59:31.880 Particularly heinous footage whenever you see that.
00:59:34.400 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
00:59:36.780 I once again want to thank Jay Burton for coming on.
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