In this episode, I chat with John Doyle, host of the popular YouTube channel Hack Off Commie, about the Disney implosion. We talk about what went wrong, why it happened, and what conservatives can do to fix it.
00:02:12.160I remember growing up, and I'm obviously older than you, but I think probably both of us at some point had memories of Disney as kind of this family-friendly, everybody can get together and watch these movies.
00:02:22.420The Disney animated films were something that you and your siblings would watch over and over and over again, wear the tape out or the DVD, depending on how old you are.
00:02:33.260And suddenly we have this scenario where this beloved franchise that was building all this momentum, picking up all these studios like Pixar and Marvel and Lucasfilms and making money hand over its fist, just seemed like they were printing money all over the place.
00:02:52.620Is this a situation where they just picked up the message, they started spouting all the kind of Rainbow Pride stuff, and that's what brought their downfall?
00:03:03.180I really would like to believe that when companies go woke, they resultantly go broke.
00:03:07.880But I just don't really see that happening.
00:03:09.760I mean, I remember even covering a headline on the News and Why It Matters program hosted by our friend Sarah Gonzalez,
00:03:15.900where the headlines that the conservative outlets were running with were, oh, Disney going broke, you know, they lose X amount of revenue in Q3 or something because they went woke.
00:03:24.980And then you read the articles that these publishers are putting out.
00:03:28.240And they were even like conceding that it was because they lost some license to stream some sport in India or something.
00:03:34.560And, you know, they're losing market share to these other streaming services, which are producing content that's like equally woke, I guess, in terms of the trajectory.
00:03:41.780So I would like to assign blame to that, but I just don't see it.
00:03:44.740I think it's probably more so, I mean, I guess you could say this is an element of wokeness.
00:03:49.400These companies hiring, you know, diversity hires, people who subscribe to these ideologies, and they're just incapable of producing good content.
00:03:56.720Because, you know, I look back at even like Toy Story 2, which I rewatched recently.
00:04:00.940And there's a part in Toy Story 2 where Jesse, the cowgirl, does something that Buzz Lightyear finds to be particularly attractive, and then his wings shoot out and deploy, which as a 24-year-old, I'm seeing that now.
00:04:12.860And I'm like, wait a minute, that's not exactly family-friendly content.
00:04:15.940So there's always been these sort of like innuendos, I think, that have been inserted into these programs to sort of wink at the parents, wink at adults watching.
00:04:23.020I wonder how much of it is just our inability to produce good content in general anymore, this sort of like cultural stagnation where because everything is so on demand now, like when you or myself were watching movies or watching television 20 years ago, it was decided by networks.
00:04:38.860And, you know, you tune in at 4 o'clock to watch this show, 5 o'clock to watch this show.
00:04:42.640But now because everything is so on demand, now you've got shows that are competing with, you know, shows that were out 20, 30 years ago, movies that were out 20, 30 years ago.
00:04:50.340So even in music, it's the same thing where you can't really make something that's going to be better than Led Zeppelin or better than early SpongeBob if you grew up in my generation.
00:05:00.840And so it's just bad content, bad programming all around.
00:05:04.540And I think they do try to ornament it with a lot of like the diversity stuff, the LGBT stuff.
00:05:08.880But I think just in general, it's bad.
00:05:27.200I think back to many of those beloved movies like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid and and Aladdin.
00:05:33.840And while they were certainly less obvious, I think, with pushing some of the progressive stuff, those elements were there.
00:05:40.560Movies like Mulan, they certainly had a very particular worldview they were trying to advance that wouldn't be welcome in many of the places where those fables were drawn from.
00:05:51.460Try telling those, you know, that version of Aladdin or Mulan in their home countries.
00:05:56.420I think they did that with Mulan in the remake and ended up having quite the controversy.
00:06:00.640So I feel like Disney always had a certain level of baseline progressivism that was very obvious in many of their cartoons, their movies, those kind of things.
00:06:11.740But we just kind of ignored it because, A, we're kids and we're not really picking up on the messages that are being directly sent to us.
00:06:17.500But B, they didn't feel as malicious and upfront.
00:06:21.240But most importantly, I think, was the quality of those films.
00:06:24.940You can say what you want about the messages.
00:06:33.420And I think for a lot of conservatives, they look at this stuff and they say, oh, well, the message is there.
00:06:38.280And because the message is there, that's what makes it seductive.
00:06:41.580That's what pushes this stuff on kids.
00:06:43.060That's what indoctrinates people into it.
00:06:45.760But I don't think that's really the case.
00:06:47.100I mean, that obviously is part of why it's there.
00:06:49.600But the fact that it was of quality, the thing that people wanted to watch because it was entertaining, because it had some level of enrichment that was bringing to the table, allows them to then bring their message along with it.
00:07:02.460And I think until conservatives understand that it's the quality of the content that allows them to communicate the message instead of thinking that the message is the central aspect that needs to be changed, I think they're going to continue to run into this problem.
00:07:14.980Absolutely. And even with something like Milan, that message is almost less subversive than a film that depicts a woman who is becoming like a girl boss or something, because it's almost absurd.
00:07:26.960Because even if you do concede that it's like, OK, this is a movie about a woman who is fighting and even she's more competent than a lot of the male soldiers, women who are watching that movie, they might, you know, oh, we can do anything you can do.
00:07:37.700They don't actually believe that they don't act in ways that demonstrate that you wouldn't see like an increase in women enlisting into combat roles because of movies like that.
00:07:44.980What I took away from that as a child was almost more of a message about like duty and honor and sacrifice, you know, protecting family members, which, you know, maybe are not traditionally feminine virtues, but I think that they were still successful because they were ultimately good virtues, as opposed to something that would be more modern, where it's like, you know, I'm going to put off having a family or being a mother or nurturer, and I'm going to instead freeze my eggs and go work for some corporation or something like that.
00:08:11.520But it is also true that conservatives can't make movies without making them like self referential, they have to be obviously conservative movies, anything that we make that's conservative culture has to be marketed to a built in audience, because we lack a sort of connection to our intellectual tradition, as people who are conservative or right wing.
00:08:31.080And so we can only really respond to the absurdities of the left, where we see, you know, the left having a partnership with Dylan Mulvaney. And so we have to do a base beer now, or the left does this. And so we have to do anti that, but we don't have the confidence or knowledge to really create anything that sort of stands for itself for its own sake.
00:08:48.860It always has to respond to something that people find vaguely annoying about the woke stuff.
00:08:55.440What do you think it is that separated conservatives from their culture in this way? Is it just the general cultural revolution, something in the 60s? What is it that makes it so difficult for conservatives to connect something to a tradition and be confident in that and communicate it in a way that is competent and enjoyable?
00:09:15.620Probably because our talking head and pundit class was gatekept from becoming what it was supposed to be and maintaining that sort of tradition and understanding, whether it's through the National Review guys, or even like in the last 1015 years or so that has gotten a lot better.
00:09:31.820I think that people who are more, quote unquote, radical, meaning they have done the reading and they have sort of followed the conclusion of certain ideas to their logical extent, those people are gatekept from the discussion to a large extent because the people who are more mainstream maybe view them to be threatening, view them to be, you know, off putting or something like that.
00:09:52.120A lot of times it's just some personal grudge because they don't like, because I mean, if you're like a total like mainstream talking head guy and you've been repeating the same platitudes and talking points that, you know, the generations prior had been doing, you're going to be threatened by someone who comes along and they actually have a more interesting and a fresher answer, also a true answer to the issues that your audience are asking about.
00:10:10.860And so I think that those people have been kept from the discussion to a large extent.
00:10:15.900And that's going to bleed into the way that our culture sort of reflects itself and channels itself politically.
00:10:21.080Are we seeing the end in some ways of the modern movie culture?
00:10:26.840Because it feels like in it feels like Disney is a victim of these large acquisitions that just kind of all busted one after the other.
00:10:35.100Maybe it's because Disney is just ruining the production of all of these movies.
00:10:38.940But it also feels like they bought up, you know, Marvel Studios and 20th Century Fox and all of these studios that were in the business of making these giant comic blockbusters that had hundreds of millions of dollars of production value behind it.
00:10:52.680I remember when you used to be able to go to a movie theater and watch a 10, 20, 30 million dollar movie and they would expect a good return on that.
00:11:01.520Today, it feels like movies can only be, you know, some crazy indie movie or a 300 million dollar highly managed safe production.
00:11:10.080And Disney's gone around and bought up all these studios that are particularly in that business.
00:11:13.700And now it feels like people are kind of done with the CGI special effects spectacle.
00:11:19.440That's not enough to bring people to the plate.
00:11:22.180And now they've just kind of they're stuck holding all of these dinosaur franchises that are dying off one by one.
00:11:29.720Yeah, my my dopamine receptors have been fried out.
00:11:32.880I've seen the space battles and the aliens.
00:11:34.980I want to return to just like criminals like imagine.
00:11:38.040And I think that's honestly that's like my tinfoil hat on it.
00:11:40.520Why superhero films as a genre have drifted away from just like Batman fights criminals?
00:11:45.680Because there are a lot of anxieties that people have right now about crime in this country, crime in the world that could be accurately portrayed through something like that, where you've got a vigilante who steps up to restore order to his community.
00:11:58.080But instead, it has to be no, it's about Thanos who wants to depopulate people.
00:12:04.180And we have to stop him or things of that nature.
00:12:07.240But I do think there's also a sinister component where they'll buy these franchises and they will market their new films, whether it's like Indiana Jones or they paid Harrison Ford.
00:12:17.660I don't even know how much money to reprise that role or the same thing with Harrison Ford in the new Star Wars films where in the trailer, you know, they do that like fade in with Han Solo and everyone's super excited he's back and then they kill him off immediately.
00:12:29.700So it's like they get you by marketing the characters and the movies that you love and you go pay your $12 for a ticket and then what you watch is a terrible story.
00:12:38.540And it's almost like humiliating to see those characters that you love so much like, you know, treated in the ways that they're treated or sort of just like dragged out and they're limping along or even just killed off completely.
00:12:49.700And they want to tell those same stories using the momentum that was built up by those franchises, but then they have to ornament them with having like, you know, a completely diverse cast.
00:13:00.360Every culture, every subgroup is represented in a way that doesn't really add anything to the story, but ultimately like pokes a lot of holes in it.
00:13:06.700Like the whole story of Star Wars initially was Luke Skywalker has to figure out how to be a Jedi and be responsible.
00:13:12.160And then you've got the new Star Wars movies and it's like, okay, we've got this woman.
00:13:28.880I think that they have purged themselves of the real class of like autistic filmmakers who really actually cared about the production value and cared about telling good stories.
00:13:37.440And now it's just people who think good stories are like, well, we're going to have something that's kind of cool and interesting and it's going to be a grand spectacle.
00:13:43.600But the real goodness of the story is going to be the fact that every culture and every identity has been represented through the cast.
00:13:50.780The thing I found interesting about kind of the Star Wars continuation is they didn't even know what to do.
00:13:55.440Like obviously the end of the original Star Wars movies is the fact that the Empire is defeated and now you're going to have these guys who need to like figure out how to rule the galaxy.
00:14:03.680But they can't even do that because that would mean that these people are in charge and they have authority and they had to grow up and, you know, they have to become some kind of responsible society.
00:14:12.580So instead they just make up some random thing where everybody just hits reset and they go back to being rebels.
00:14:20.420There's there's absolutely they just couldn't.
00:14:22.760They had no idea how to portray these characters as kind of mature adults who managed to like put a civilization together and had to run society and like grew in some way that, you know, that might.
00:14:33.680Might communicate some kind of conservative value, some kind of some kind of order.
00:14:38.860The only thing they can have is the rebel and there's no other way to write this.
00:14:43.380I also think it's interesting that, yeah, Harrison Ford has to go through this humiliation ritual of every franchise like he's he's the the lodestone of every one of these franchises and his job in each one is to become a sad old like single dad who has to hand over the franchise to a girl who's good at everything and talk down to him the entire time.
00:15:00.860And that's the only way they can manage to write this.
00:15:03.280Yeah, they did the same thing with James Bond.
00:15:05.380I remember seeing No Time to Die where they because when they they debuted the black actress as Moneypenny in Skyfall and she wasn't more competent than him.
00:15:17.180In fact, she was actually pretty incompetent.
00:15:18.960I remember even in the first scene where they're doing a car chase.
00:15:21.820She didn't know what she was doing and he had to grab the wheel and, you know, run the Range Rover into the bad guy's car.
00:15:26.580So that was like, OK, I'm not going to be offended by that just because she's black.
00:15:30.580But when you bring in like there was the character No Time to Die, this secret agent who's a black woman.
00:15:35.520And now she's actually portrayed as being more competent than James Bond and, you know, even surviving, whereas he sacrifices himself at the end.
00:15:43.760I guess he doesn't really sacrifice himself.
00:15:46.900It's just things like that, like seeing people who are traditionally beloved characters who are competent, being upstaged by people who are not believably going to be more competent than them.
00:15:56.500And especially because they're just newer characters.
00:15:58.300We don't know what these people's backgrounds are.
00:16:00.040That is where it just does get really off putting to the audience.
00:16:02.360Even my dad had like an ego death walking out of that theater.
00:16:04.900He's like, you know, just some boomer just wants to grill.
00:16:09.940He's like really just personally offended by the way that they took out James Bond.
00:16:13.940So, yeah, it bleeds into every aspect, even franchises that aren't even Disney per se.
00:16:18.880I had Jonathan Peugeot on last week and he's doing the Snow White retelling.
00:16:23.380And he said the reason he started doing it was because he saw that Disney was going to try to make the movie and he just knew they couldn't tell they couldn't tell the story anymore.
00:16:30.700He's like, you know, the minute I saw this on the Disney slate, I immediately started work on my thing because I knew that Disney had to fail at telling a story that involved romance and a woman being rescued and dwarves.
00:16:42.080There's just too many elements that couldn't possibly.
00:16:44.740And sure enough, they had to try to redo all this.
00:16:48.080We ended up with seven people of diverse backgrounds and different mythical enchantments.
00:16:56.860And when they saw kind of how disastrous this whole thing was, they've now gone back and apparently they're trying to just plug in CGI dwarves everywhere in some kind of, you know, panic thing.
00:17:06.140But what does that mean for a company like Disney where their ideology doesn't allow them to tell just kind of the most basic archetypical stories about the human experience?
00:17:16.420Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a company that made a name for themselves largely through telling those stories.
00:17:21.800I mean, you know, the Disney princesses are like a whole roster of characters who I mean, I love those movies, too.
00:17:30.380It doesn't necessarily have to be geared towards a feminine audience.
00:17:33.400I mean, it was just like family movies that people enjoyed because it reflected something about the human experience that we could all resonate with.
00:17:39.700But if you are staffing your production companies filled with people who have no idea what the human experience is,
00:17:46.120or maybe they have an idea of it, but they feel betrayed by it.
00:17:48.580And so they resent it. That's not going to be a recipe for success.
00:17:51.520And they might be able to ride that wave of cultural familiarity and sort of a built in audience for a while.
00:17:57.160But 10, 15 years from now, I mean, they're going to have to either readjust their content or try to just take it in a different direction completely.
00:18:04.580But there's no way to keep making stuff that is not performing well with audiences and that is losing you money and sustain yourself as an entertainment company,
00:18:12.380let alone one that's like a kingpin like they've been for so long.
00:18:15.420So, obviously, a lot of this has just been remakes.
00:18:19.920They've been going to this live action remake well, and the first couple did okay, but they're just getting worse and worse, more disasters with each one of these that they make.
00:18:28.600Do you qualify as a Zoomer? Are you too old to be a Zoomer?
00:18:31.200I consider myself a first-wave Zoomer.
00:18:37.260I cannot understand the post-9-11 Zoomers, but I also, I'm not a millennial, but that really is like the line because, you know,
00:18:45.180these kids grew up with iPhones and technology far more integrated into their day-to-days than my generation or my first half of the generation.
00:18:53.100I think that is unique with Zoomers, too.
00:18:55.400I don't think any other generation really has a micro-generation the way that Gen Z does, but yeah, I would be a first-wave Zoomer.
00:19:03.240I sit in the, I'm a couple years too young to be a Gen Xer, but I don't really feel like a millennial, so I don't know.
00:19:11.420I kind of feel like I'm in that buffer zone as well, but that might just be a general feeling of being a couple years into the generation and mostly growing up with kind of the old culture.
00:19:20.840But what I'm wondering is, you know, once that becomes, and, you know, these people are already coming of age, a lot of people think of Zoomers as the young people.
00:19:29.820Like, at this point, Zoomers are the ones starting to have kids and everything, and they're starting to have families.
00:19:34.940You know, when these, when those kids are the ones that are the audiences for this thing, they're going to have no connection to any of these stories.
00:19:41.360None of that nostalgia baits going to work anymore.
00:19:44.040And all of the studios that, you know, that Disney bought out to try to keep themselves relevant over the years will have also been trading on all of these ancient properties.
00:19:55.440And so I wonder what even shared culture they can make films about at that point, because it seems to me that the younger generation here, now I'm super old because I just used the phrase the younger generation here.
00:20:08.900But it feels like, you know, from my wheelchair, it feels like the fracturing of content is the story of the next generation, that YouTube and these bite-sized pieces are really what people want to watch.
00:20:22.200If you take a 10-year-old and you put them in front of a movie, they're just not interested anymore.
00:20:31.080And so I wonder, you know, what a media company like that can even do if it's trying to put out long form and by long form here, we mean like two to three hour movie content and expect it to do massive numbers that can recoup hundreds of millions of dollar type budgets.
00:20:46.440That's what I'm wondering if the strategy, I mean, they must be self-aware to a certain degree that they are just churning out recycled, repackaged crap that panders to the lowest common denominator.
00:20:56.600But maybe that's like their strategy just to buy themselves time when they're like, okay, how do we adapt to this market where the younger generations who are content supposed to be curated towards, they would, I mean, you'd even take a person to a movie theater, you watch a movie with a friend, they're on their phone.
00:21:11.500Even people who aren't even like iPad kids, like I'll watch a movie with a buddy on his phone the whole time.
00:21:16.180So maybe that's what their strategy is to like buying themselves time is, okay, we just have to make more of this, more of this.
00:21:22.680We know eventually it's not going to, but we have to buy ourselves some time until we figure out what the next step is because, you know, Netflix got into the streaming game.
00:21:31.360They've got Disney plus every major network now has some form of streaming platform, but even that, I mean, they're wrestling for market share.
00:21:38.860That doesn't even seem to really be like a, an inroad the way that it was maybe five, six years ago.
00:21:43.420There has to be some next step because of the eroding attention spans.
00:21:46.900And because there's just such a library of content that people have access to at all times, it's not, and people don't even go see, whether it's because of COVID or they're just antisocial, people don't go to movies the way that they used to go to movies.
00:21:58.760They don't even really watch movies the way that they used to watch movies.
00:22:02.020I mean, when they do, they go to the theater, they're on their phone, they're dressed like slobs.
00:22:05.540They just, there's, it's not really that like experience or occasion of going out to see a movie like there used to be, unless it is some big blockbuster where it's like, you know, the next Avengers film or something like that.
00:22:16.940When I was a kid, the movies were obvious, obviously an opportunity to see something big on, on the screen.
00:22:22.060But when you got older, we become a teenager, young adult, it's a way to get away from your parents to hang out with your friends.
00:22:27.780It's a larger amount of kind of unsupervised time that, that was the purpose was, it was a social activity meant to kind of, kind of give your group something to do something to share.
00:22:38.720You go out and grab something to eat afterwards, that kind of thing.
00:22:41.820Now it feels like, no, everybody just wants to be talking online.
00:22:44.900They want to be texting, you know, they don't actually want to meet in person if they can at all avoid it.
00:22:49.840And so it feels like the whole purpose of the movie theater experience for a large swath, especially the younger generation that would build nostalgia based on that experience is gone.
00:22:59.500There's no incentive for that anymore.
00:23:01.900I mean, they would, they would rather sit in someone's basement and do vape like a bunch of degenerates and play on their phones than go to, and that's got to be part of it too.
00:23:11.260I mean, the last five times I've gone to a theater to see a movie, like three of them have been unpleasant because people talking, people being obnoxious.
00:23:18.620And, you know, I remember being a teenager and being obnoxious in a movie theater, but I would shut up when the movie started.
00:23:24.760Like, you know, that was sort of my implicit bargain with the adult patrons.
00:23:28.120Like I'm going to be, I'm going to be this, but when, you know, that for when the, when the lights dim, then I'll be a respectful member of society.
00:23:35.060I'll return my shopping cart or do the equivalent in the movie theater, but that's got to be part of it too.
00:23:39.240I mean, the older generations who maybe do respect the institution of the cinema, maybe they're not even going anymore because you can't go to a movie without hearing talking people on their phones.
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00:24:21.040What do you think that, I mean, obviously we talked a little bit about the fracturing of the market and the way that this, this format, format itself might be in trouble.
00:24:29.660What do you think a company like that can do moving forward other than just marking time?
00:24:35.160Are they all just going to go into buying, I don't know, TikTok production companies?
00:24:39.900Like, what do you do with that when there's the core audience, the core kind of format that you were trying to sell were these longer form theater experiences.
00:25:00.300What kind of outlet can they look for when that's no longer an option?
00:25:03.820They'd probably have to start to move towards consolidating some fraction of market share in social media platforms and social media companies themselves.
00:25:12.980I don't even know if that's possible, but that's where all the young people's eyes are on TikTok, Instagram.
00:25:24.080People just aren't watching television.
00:25:25.680And, you know, when they are watching television, younger kids, it's just put on in the background.
00:25:29.780They're not even like watching it, especially, too, with the way technology is developing, the way that advertisers can track how effective their ad buys are for kids.
00:25:38.220I mean, I can tell you, I couldn't tell you the last time I heard a child express interest in a toy, let alone one that they saw on TV because of a commercial or something.
00:25:46.440So I don't know how much money they're making from that programming.
00:25:49.560I mean, I can remember seeing advertisements for things and making my Christmas list and this isn't what I want, but I just don't think it's effective for advertisers.
00:25:57.200I don't think it's effective for the company.
00:25:58.780So there's got to be some jump at some point.
00:26:01.200But still, I mean, the trains are still running.
00:26:03.380You've still got these time blocks of, okay, this network's going to have this program all day today.
00:26:08.220Teen Titans Go running eight hours a day on Cartoon Network or something like that.
00:26:11.760Like, there's got to be something to fill that time.
00:26:14.040Maybe they are content with until they figure out what the next jump is to just replaying reruns of stuff that used to be good, stuff that's okay, but we're going to just play it all day until they figure that out.
00:26:23.920Because I don't think there is a way to really bring anything back with the older models, older, I guess, being defined as even just five, six, seven years ago.
00:26:32.340They're going to have to try to make an inroad in some form of new content or new trajectory as a media company because I don't think they have the courage to try to make older content but in a way that's better.
00:26:44.400I don't think they have the courage to make good television shows or good movies the way that would have been defined by the golden era of Disney or something like that.
00:26:51.360Yeah, I haven't had cable in I think almost decades at this point and it's weird because whenever I end up in a hotel room or something, I'm amazed how much of the television lineup is just 10 hours of Friends, 10 hours of Seinfeld, 10 hours of Frasier or something.
00:27:07.700TV shows that were old when I was a kid and they're still basically the majority of programming and it's like, what happened?
00:27:15.520Is culture just stuck in ice for these last few years?
00:27:19.820You've got a few different innovations.
00:27:21.500We're supposed to have this golden age of television that went on and HBO and these other premium services.
00:27:27.480But the vast majority of the stuff that's still piped into most people's homes is almost purely reruns of these old shows and I just wonder what happened.
00:27:36.940I mean, I guess we know that there's a lot of political correctness.
00:27:41.580We know that there's a lot of, you know, that the lower level of creativity, they have to have many different hiring, many different people who don't have the ability to kind of produce a higher quality of content.
00:27:52.620But I also wonder if there's just something about the inability to, I don't know, transgress in that kind of thing anymore.
00:27:58.220They've kind of mined the all the marrow out of the bones of kind of the Christian substructure of our culture.
00:28:04.800It feels like all of that heat that they used to generate by kind of burning the social fabric just doesn't exist anymore.
00:28:10.860You look at, you know, I think as little Nas X or whatever has another I'm being crucified.
00:28:15.660It's like, how's who cares at this point?
00:28:19.240This is what you did for your last three songs.
00:28:22.400Who's even around be offended at this at this point?
00:28:24.900It just feels like there's there's no ability for them to kind of create any friction or any kind of traction when it comes to creative content at this point.
00:28:33.480Yeah, I mean, maybe that's the impetus.
00:28:36.000You know, they're like, OK, people are just going to binge watch Friends all day anyways on Netflix.
00:28:40.160Our best chance to compete is to just put it on all day on our network so that they can watch it here as an alternative.
00:28:47.260They are like locked into this box where they're afraid to do anything that might get them in trouble.
00:28:51.520I mean, even something like The Office, you know, I hate to use this line of argument, but The Office probably couldn't be made nowadays because it would get canceled by the woke mob.
00:29:00.580Because you've got Michael Scott, who is like a sex pest and like implicitly racist.
00:29:53.400They don't maybe know why they love it.
00:29:54.680But stories like that, which are even framed to be problematic.
00:29:58.420I don't think people or production companies have the the audacity to make any more.
00:30:02.460It's a lot safer to just have like very quirky self-referential bits that recycle the same sort of plot lines, but they don't really do anything that is interesting.
00:30:12.380Or even like something like The Sopranos has a lot of commentary between, you know, Tony and his psychiatrist or Tony and Christopher about the decline that we were seeing in the late 90s, in the 2000s in this country.
00:30:25.020That's a lot of commentary that people like that they resonate with, but that couldn't be included in a program nowadays.
00:30:31.500What do you think about this kind of phenomenon of the accidentally based or kind of low key based show?
00:30:36.760Like, I don't know, The Shield or something where it comes out and there's a lot of truth in it.
00:30:41.640There's a lot of kind of archetypes hidden in there and truth hidden in there that otherwise wouldn't make it past probably most of the production teams today.
00:30:54.560A lot of people on the right tend to jump on these things, get excited about them, even when they're portrayed as kind of evil or comical in these.
00:31:00.900You know, the debate always goes on about Warhammer 40K or these things that, oh, is it farcical or not?
00:31:05.720Is it supposed to be satire, you know, Starship Troopers, that kind of thing?
00:31:09.500Is that healthy that that's something that you can constantly see the right do?
00:31:14.860Should they only be investing in things that are intentionally for them?
00:31:18.840Or is it good that these things bubble up, these archetypes return over and over and again, even if they're produced by people who probably don't agree with them?
00:31:27.180That's a good question. I have a reputation for analyzing pieces of media through a political lens.
00:31:33.380And when I do that, I do that because I'm trying to appeal to a mass audience and get them to believe my ideas in a way that's familiar to them.
00:31:41.780So, like, I do the Beauty and the Beast video and I'm saying that it's like feminist propaganda, which it probably is.
00:31:46.960And Gaston's the true hero of the story.
00:31:48.680And through that, we now have tens of thousands of young men who have the correct view on feminism, on things of that nature, not just like anti-third wave feminism, but a much more authentic understanding of it.
00:31:59.900So it is good to a certain extent to take pieces of media that might communicate our ideas, even if only incidentally, and be like, look, see this.
00:32:06.840You need to believe this. That is good.
00:32:08.560But I do think that there is an impulse that we have on the rights because we are so devoid of victory to look at anything that might even vaguely express right-wing sentiment in the culture and be like, oh, my gosh, we're taking the culture back.
00:32:22.680Look, where in reality, it's probably more like you said, where it's just accidentally.
00:32:26.020It just sort of happened because maybe some producer wanted to tell this story.
00:32:29.600They don't understand that the movie is maybe implicitly right-wing.
00:32:32.460And if they found that out, maybe they wouldn't have made it in the way that they did.
00:32:36.400But we also, on the other hand, don't really have an ability to make those pieces of media ourselves.
00:33:23.420Sure. Yeah, I sort of laugh because I see this on the timeline so often from these people where they're like,
00:33:28.900the right needs to be making culture and it's like, OK, do it.
00:33:32.260Go on, make some culture. Let me see. Let me see what you got, because it misunderstands culture.
00:33:36.860And, you know, I had to segue it into the immigration thing as well, because it doesn't surprise me at all that the class of people who thinks that culture is something that can just be commissioned.
00:33:43.580It's the same class of people who believes in the sort of universal American identity where anybody can come to America and become an American, assimilate into American culture, whatever that is.
00:33:53.820So it's very unsurprising to me that that definition they have in their mind for, you know, the as it pertains to immigration policy would translate so fluently over to how they believe, you know, the culture war ought to be fought in America.
00:34:05.160But, yeah, I mean, it's basically to say that you look at what defines American culture at its peak.
00:34:11.820These were not things that were done because people got together and were like, we really need to do this.
00:34:17.120We need to make sure that our music is operating well.
00:34:19.940We need to make sure that our architecture looks good and we need to make sure that our films are good.
00:34:23.440Like, obviously, whenever somebody creates anything, they probably want it to be good and to be successful and to be remembered.
00:34:29.760But it's to say that there was no top down effort saying that we need to make culture because culture is something that is a reflection of the spirit of the people making it.
00:34:37.760It's a reflection of the soul of the people making it.
00:34:40.260And that's why you see that a lot of the culture that the left makes is resentful and subversive and perverted because that is fundamentally what leftists are.
00:34:48.480And you see a lot of the culture that's made by conservatives is ultimately just smug because that's what we are.
00:34:53.560We just want to be smug and we want to own the libs.
00:34:55.880We want to show it to our our niece at Thanksgiving and say, look at this.
00:34:59.240Aren't you so triggered? And she's just like eating.
00:35:01.640She's like, what are you talking about? Leave me alone. Stop talking to me.
00:35:04.960You're making me uncomfortable. And because that's what we are.
00:35:07.420We are smug and we don't really have a focus or serious focus on victory and on actually winning any of these battles, let alone culturally.
00:35:14.240I think you're right that kind of having this idea that paper is what makes you an American and there's no particularity to what people should enjoy as part of your culture, as part of a people, a group that has a shared tradition and history and instead of values, a moral vision that are setting forward.
00:35:31.540That makes it very difficult for conservatives to come in because this should be their moment, right?
00:35:36.620Like you have the left. And like I said, with Peugeot, he realized like they can't make this movie anymore because they're just completely disconnected from these archetypes.
00:35:45.540They don't have an understanding of kind of where this comes from, why this matters.
00:35:50.140Everything in here is taboo and forbidden anyway.
00:35:52.520And that should be the moment that a conservative can step up and say, well, I know how to tell the story.
00:35:57.620I know what this is connected to, but because they're kind of dedicated to liberalism, but 20 years ago, they're kind of stuck with it with the same problem because they don't have really any more connection to that history and that tradition than the average liberal did.
00:36:14.600They just remember that they should write like, oh, well, I remember there was a time where like my dad understood why he fought in a war, but I don't know what that would mean.
00:36:24.500And so I don't know what a sacrifice like that would look like.
00:36:27.220And so I don't know how to tell any kind of story connected to it, because at this point, I'm kind of three parts removed from anything that actually would give me the identity and the understanding and the frame of context to tell that story.
00:36:40.480Right. Yeah. They just want to go back to the 1990s.
00:36:42.860This is the the millennial occupied millennial occupied political class.
00:36:47.740I just want to go back to the 1990s or even like there was I think it was Daily Wire made a movie and it was a conservative movie.
00:36:54.500Because it was about self-defense and not being a victim and fighting off a school shooter.
00:36:58.660But then the protagonist was a young lady.
00:37:02.100And that's cool. But, you know, this is just not quite where we want it to be.
00:37:07.560And it's like that, like they understand it insofar as they maybe don't like the narrative that's being espoused by the left.
00:37:12.480But they don't have a deep enough understanding of the issue to take it to where it needs to be, to where somebody who is impartial would look at what is being offered by both sides and be like, OK, both of these sides understand what they're saying.
00:37:23.180They are in clear opposition to each other. They're confident in what they believe.
00:37:26.600And now I can actually make a choice. It seems to be that is represented by the actions of one side.
00:37:31.880And the other side is just kind of like, well, not exactly there, but I'm also not really offering a serious alternative at the same time.
00:37:40.020So I think we've probably covered most of what's going on with Disney here.
00:37:45.440So I wanted to break into your other field of expertise for today.
00:37:57.820So if people want to go into depth, I know you've done a full episode on this, too.
00:38:01.680And so people can look more into the background.
00:38:04.120But for people who are thinking Martin Luther King, you know, conservative icon, of course, this is this is something we should be celebrating.
00:38:15.760Well, you know, I did take a lot of inspiration from your video, actually.
00:38:19.640I remember even before we went live, you told me that I should get a white monster to celebrate MLK Day.
00:38:24.660I don't know what you meant by that, but we.
00:38:28.340We are enjoying we are when in Rome following the customs, but basically the MLK problem is that if you can see that MLK is fundamentally a good figure in American history,
00:38:39.040which the parameters of that debate are completely established, I mean, you can agree that he or you can disagree that he was a hero in the way that the left wants him to be regarded.
00:38:46.800But you still have to believe that he is a hero if you want to exist within a mainstream conservative circle.
00:38:51.700And the problem with that is that if you believe that MLK is actually somebody who should be regarded positively in the sort of historiography of America,
00:39:01.220what you're conceding is that the cause of the civil rights movement, the successes of it, all of that is actually like good and justified.
00:39:08.960And so then the question becomes, well, where do you want to draw the line then if MLK was good, if the civil rights movement was good?
00:39:39.120And it's very self-defeating because now you have a conservative political establishment that is revering Martin Luther King.
00:39:44.800And so it's much more difficult for them to articulate why the successors of his movement are actually wrong,
00:39:50.720why the policies that were alluded to in many of his writings are actually wrong,
00:39:55.520if they've conceded the fundamental point, which is that this country was structurally, fundamentally, institutionally racist and morally wrong.
00:40:03.280And it had to be reformed through the civil rights movement and the legislation and the court rulings.
00:40:07.780And now, well, why is it suddenly so wrong when those things are taken to their logical conclusions that, again,
00:40:13.720Martin Luther King would have been fully in support of?
00:40:16.400Yeah, that's the part that is always confusing to me because what I always hear is, well, it was all it was hijacked by Marxism.
00:40:22.840You know, Marxism, you know, it's at some point there there was a switch thrown maybe, I don't know, seven or eight years ago.
00:40:29.980So and and the Marxists took over the civil rights movement.
00:41:11.460I saw an article this morning, where I think it's something like 50% of citizens in South Africa are now completely dependent on state welfare.
00:41:20.660And the ANC responded to this statistic, and they said, well, this is good, actually.
00:41:23.900It's like when you when you understand sort of the impulse that drives people to maybe be more woke,
00:41:28.400or the impulse that drives people to maybe be more communist, it's very difficult to separate that.
00:41:33.260Because ultimately, what that means is you want wealth redistributed from one group and given to other groups.
00:41:38.120And so maybe somebody who is a Black Lives Matter person wants that to be specifically from white people to non-white people.
00:41:44.280And maybe you've got a communist who just wants it to be from the tax base to everyone else.
00:41:49.160And then you're like, OK, well, the tax base white people, these are very difficult groups to separate.
00:41:55.100And honestly, most of the the drive to separate those is not done out of a sense of like truth seeking or intellectual honesty.
00:42:03.440It's much more because they're afraid of being called mean names by people who hate them already,
00:42:07.960because it's like, OK, well, can I be opposed to the civil rights movement because it was like driven by racial resentment?
00:42:12.900And it's like, no, you have to be opposed to it because they had communist sympathies.
00:42:16.000And it's like, OK, yes, but if we're going to go there, if we're going to swing at the king, literally Martin Luther King,
00:42:22.440we should probably go all the way there because otherwise we're going to be misleading our base.
00:42:27.840It feels like there was this giant shift in the Reagan era, right?
00:42:34.000These kind of gets lionized up to this point.
00:42:36.680I think that opposition to King as kind of a leading figure nationwide in general is pretty common, especially on the right.
00:42:45.860And after he, you know, the holiday comes in and many of these points are conceded at that moment,
00:42:51.960we have to kind of go back and retroactively rewrite all of King's history.
00:42:56.440And so, yeah, he said, you know, judge people by the content of their character,
00:43:00.320but he believed in affirmative action and he wanted racial quotas and he believed in income redistribution.
00:43:05.620And basically kind of all of the things that the modern woke people would want to apply and continue applying.
00:43:12.740DI, I don't think outside of maybe the LGBT stuff would look particularly odd to King.
00:43:17.760And yet somehow I have, you know, Josh Hawley coming on and say, actually, you know, he's, you know, the, the, the return of Christ.
00:43:26.140It's basically, uh, he, he spoke with the power of Christ.
00:43:28.620Like actually he didn't even believe in the deity of Christ.
00:43:31.220So that's, that's just seems like a weird thing that we have to retroactively go back and, and change all this.
00:43:36.580And it all kind of hinged on that eighties moment.
00:43:38.620Yeah. And it's so insulting too, because you can present these people with primary source evidence, an argument, uh, about how, okay, well, wait a minute.
00:43:48.260Why are all of MLK's successors, right-hand men?
00:43:52.140Why did they go on to become people like, you know, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
00:43:56.520Why did, why do they support black lives matter?
00:43:58.180Like what about that would MLK have tried to correct and prevent them from doing?
00:44:02.720And then they'll send you that one quote as if you hadn't heard that.
00:44:06.660I understand everything you're saying, but consider this quote that MLK said about judging people based on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.
00:44:14.440And you read that and then you're just like a totally BTFO'd argument, completely obliterated.
00:44:18.780I hadn't even, that hadn't even occurred to me.
00:44:20.720I mean, I can't believe I wasted so much time reading all this other stuff when that quote was right there on Facebook.
00:44:25.780Yeah. And it's like, look guys, I'm with you.
00:44:27.840Like treat people well, like don't be a jerk to people because of the color of skin.
00:45:08.740I mean, you know, he said what he had to say because he was the leader of a political movement.
00:45:13.120He was using a lot of language to try to appeal to white America, Christian America.
00:45:17.900His nonviolence rhetoric was espoused, not because he was against violence necessarily, but because you had, you know, Black Panthers and Malcolm X who were fed posting talking about killing white police officers, killing white people.
00:45:30.220And so you got all these white people in 20th century America who are like, wait a minute, I don't know how I feel about that.
00:45:34.560And so he had to come out and say, no, we are nonviolent.
00:45:56.620And that was very sobering when I really started to look into this topic.
00:45:59.640I thought that I found some answers and I felt alleviated to a certain extent because it was like, okay, this is the same problem now as it has been for the last 70 years.
00:46:08.980But then I did feel a little bit blackpilled because it was like, okay, we're probably not going to figure this out.
00:46:13.320We're probably not going to solve it because we've been going at it for so many decades already.
00:46:17.100Well, and the amazing thing is every time I have this conversation, and like you said, you bring these facts, you bring the primary sources, you bring the quotes.
00:46:23.360And people look at that, and in their more honest moments, they'll even be like, well, yes, okay, maybe King believes some of this stuff, and maybe we have it represented to him.
00:46:34.480But if you start talking about, you know, the issues with the Civil Rights Act, then we'll just go back to Jim Crow.
00:46:41.880We'll go back to that level of segregation.
00:46:44.140And I was like, this is just the most disingenuous talking point possible.
00:46:47.860The whole Civil Rights Revolution was sold to the American people on the idea that there was an emergency situation that needed to be solved by what are, frankly, extrajudicial means in order to kind of restructure the attitudes in the South specifically so that you could solve a problem.
00:47:07.460Say what you want about that particular approach.
00:47:10.040That was the way it was sold to the North, to most of the people who thought they would never be impacted by it.
00:47:14.900And then it turned out to become this, you know, giant bureaucracy that enveloped almost the entire government, every private and public sector institution installed political commissars based on this ideology.
00:47:28.960It's like, okay, guys, well, if you, do you really think that if we pulled this out tomorrow, like literally every, you know, HR manager disappeared off the face of the earth, suddenly the buses would be segregated?
00:47:41.700Like, do we really believe that at this point?
00:47:43.920Because it seems pretty ridiculous that the, but, but this is the way that it's approached every time someone suggests that perhaps this thing that was built to be temporary should finally become temporary.
00:47:53.900Yeah. And I, I really, it is a luxury in politics to be spoken to, not like a kindergartner, like they'll always use this very charged moral language.
00:48:04.040Like this is so vile. You literally want black people to have to deal with segregation again.
00:48:08.860It's like, can we just speak about this like adults, please?
00:48:11.020I mean, if you look at the, any metric by which you would try to evaluate the general wellbeing of a community, it's been worse for black Americans since the 1960s.
00:48:20.160And so that should even just warrant discussion by itself. Like, okay, if this was the key to closing the gap, uh, between black Americans and white Americans, why has this gone so like disastrously for everybody involved, let alone the people who was supposed to help in the first place that in itself should warrant some more discussion and investigation.
00:48:38.960But instead we just, well, that wasn't true civil rights. We have to take it further and we have to have more bureaucrats. We have to have more laws to close more gaps, more affirmative action, more thumbs on the scales, different things like that.
00:48:51.160I mean, we're like a trillion dollars and 60, 70 years into this. And we've seen no significant progress. If anything, we've seen, uh, things get a lot worse.
00:48:59.140And so I'm really optimistic on the base of that, that we're seeing, uh, more of the mainstream rights start to discuss this with much more criticism than they are, uh, veneration for Martin Luther King and broadly speaking, that entire movement.
00:49:13.060What do you think about that change? What do you think brought that about? Cause it's very interesting.
00:49:16.160I mean, I mean, Charlie Kirk was getting griped a few years ago and now he's talking about the, uh, you know, the, the civil rights act, like what happened there?
00:49:24.340You know, I, I do want to take a little bit of credit for this. Not a lot of credit, but I jumped in the water with that video two years ago. Um, and I know that I have people who watch me who work for a lot of bigger talking heads and as their writers, as their production people.
00:49:37.720And none of that was, I'm not like claiming that I was the guy who figured out that maybe MLK is not so good, but that's like our job, you know, our job is to move the ball down the field.
00:49:46.480And so if I can take that information and put it out to a big audience and then, you know, one or two guys take that and they put it out to an even bigger audience.
00:49:53.420I do like to think that I played a little bit of a part in that because, you know, one of these guys too, I remember was asking a mutual friend of ours for book recommendations back in 2021.
00:50:02.740And I assembled a list that had a lot of really good titles on it, gave it to the friend, he gave it to this guy. And now all of a sudden, a couple of years later, these guys are really good on the issues.
00:50:10.480And so it is things like that. And also it is the anxiety of, I think Americans giving them permission to explore ideas, which would have been regarded as taboo years prior.
00:50:19.640Because as people become more anxious, I mean, naturally they're going to want to have as many options on the table as possible.
00:50:25.540So it was a lot easier back in the 1980s or something or 1990s to control the parameters of the discussion.
00:50:30.840But now because of that and also how democratized access to information is because of the internet, even despite the censorship, it's much more available to people now than it would have been, you know, 10, 15 years ago when you would have had to browse on some obscure form to find a lot of this stuff.
00:50:43.720So I think it is just as we are continuing our cycle of decline, the anxieties that people are experiencing are giving them permission to put away the priority of maybe not being called mean names and actually seek the truth and seek what is real.
00:50:56.740Yeah, it seems very strange. There's this weird moment where there's very clearly a number of conservatives or people who are supposed to be part of the new right in theory who are trying to put this thing in a box, back in a box very quickly.
00:51:14.300Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no.
00:51:15.920Like, obviously we can fight wokeness, but let's not look more than five years into the past.
00:51:22.280And so it's very strange to watch them attempt to do that, but it's just not working the way it used to.
00:51:29.040It feels like, you know, the kind of the days where Bill Buckley could crack the whip and the rest of the conservative commentary at Fallen Live is just gone.
00:51:39.060Yeah, well, it's because, you know, these guys, I guess we won't, I don't want to name names, but they make a living by taking what is so obvious to people
00:51:49.640and intellectualizing it into this giant word salad and then putting it out.
00:51:54.140And then people are like, wow, I guess this, this guy sounds pretty smart.
00:51:58.240And I've, I've been retweeting this like once every three or four days, because I think it is just so true that these people exist to be like Wheatley in Portal 2,
00:52:06.180where you've got GLaDOS, who's becoming powerful and intelligent.
00:52:09.420And so the scientists create a robot to attach to her that just distracts her with the stupidest ideas that have ever been created,
00:52:17.800just so that she does not become too powerful and intelligent.
00:52:20.500That's what I believe these people exist to do, is to just occupy the volume of discussion with the stupidest ideas possible to prevent it from becoming intelligent and real.
00:52:30.080And that's why they're paid. And that's why they exist, because no normal person would ever read one of these word salads about, you know,
00:52:37.480the Hegelian dialectics or what have you and be like, wait a minute, this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
00:52:42.120It's all nonsense and it's totally astroturf.
00:52:44.920So I can only assume it is done with this sort of like engineered stupidity in mind.
00:52:50.640Just kind of a rhetorical infinite plane to keep any, any part of the conservative hive mind from becoming self-aware.
00:52:57.200I like it. All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and pivot over to the questions of the people.
00:53:04.560But before we do that, John, where should people check out your excellent work?
00:53:08.420You should check out my excellent work at YouTube.com slash John Doyle, where I regularly, frequently and consistently post content.
00:53:15.580I'm also on Twitter at Comrade Doyle. And yes, that is where you can find me.
00:53:21.100Excellent. All right. Well, I am being attacked by a thunderstorm here, but all right.
00:53:24.620That's really fun. Mint20 here says, what a crossover. This is a total plan truster vindication.
00:53:32.360It's absolutely true. The plan trusters are winning. The plan not trusters and the disloyal R's are seething.
00:53:39.200And you can't fault them for it. That's what they were designed to do. That's what they were destined to do.
00:53:43.040And so we have to actually be sympathetic. They're sort of tragic characters.
00:53:46.340All right. Cooper Weirdo says, you guys never know. You guys ever notice how the left is especially bad at making children, family movies, not even in a woke way.
00:53:55.800They're just bad. I don't know, man. I feel like actually they kind of dominate that kind of media.
00:54:01.520Unfortunately, that's kind of the main problem with Disney, right?
00:54:05.040A lot of people are worried that the children won't have the level of discernment to identify the kind of propaganda that's being brought in front of them.
00:54:13.020I guess they're getting worse at it because they're just getting bad at communicating classic archetypes that kind of help children grow and form their worldviews in a healthy way, their healthy relationships.
00:54:23.120But that's kind of their point, right?
00:54:24.500Yeah, a lot of the older ones were definitely produced with subtle messaging like that and produced by people who certainly held those politics, but they were just better quality.
00:54:34.620So now maybe it's more obvious because they feel a need to have more representation of different identities, but it's also just the competence of the people making them has declined significantly.
00:54:45.240We've got Lutheran James here says, a question for John.
00:54:48.940I'm from New York City and I don't want to abandon the only home I've ever known.
00:54:52.540My question is, what do you think blue states are, do you think blue states are worth saving?
00:54:59.780Yeah, I'm not one of these guys that's going to tell you to go homestead in Montana and be trad or whatever.
00:55:04.880I think that it is important, especially if that's the only home you've ever known.
00:55:10.420So I live in Texas right now, but I'll return to Michigan even though it's governed by Gretchen Whitmer right now, even though it's becoming a bluer state, used to be a red and purple state.
00:55:19.060But I do think it's important to stay where your home is, where your family is, and I don't think that retreating is a good political strategy ever.
00:55:27.760I mean, if things start to get really bad where it's irresponsible to the safety of yourself and to those who you're responsible for to stay in those areas, then yeah, you should probably abandon them.
00:55:37.220But if you're a young guy, you're a single guy, I mean, you could go anywhere.
00:55:39.940That's also something I think is important, just going and planting your flag in a totally new area, a new city, just to see what happens.
00:55:45.400But insofar as you don't want to stay in those states because you're annoyed by the politics, I might reconsider that if you've got family, you've got roots there.
00:55:54.800I think a lot of people are looking for a way to generate community, to generate political power, to kind of have a shared vision that's going to allow them to create a barrier between them and a lot of the stuff that's probably going to come down the federal pipeline.
00:56:10.560You mentioned South Africa, and I know a number of Afrikaners who gather together specifically because it allows them to resist a large amount of what the central government is doing.
00:56:20.920Do you think America is going to get to that point where the wise game would be restructuring, not because you're looking to retreat from the politics in and of themselves, but that it's necessary to concentrate if you're going to forge a common culture and a political strength?
00:57:12.060But I think it is important to meet people locally.
00:57:14.940And you're probably not going to find that in the places that you would think you're going to find, like good right wing guys.
00:57:19.600I would recommend training and marksmanship.
00:57:22.420I would recommend joining some sort of MMA gym, doing some sort of combat sport.
00:57:26.260Because we meet guys involved in those activities who are more or less center right.
00:57:30.420In the gun community, there's a lot of like lulberts you're going to have to be wary of.
00:57:34.380But once you sort of transcend your proficiency and become less of just like, oh, my pew pews, my shooty shoot, and actually start training like small unit tactics, more advanced things like that.
00:57:43.940The people who just want to LARP and like talk about my freedom go away pretty quickly.
00:57:47.640So anything like that, normal male activities, don't overthink it, be normal.
00:57:52.040You're cool, you're well adjusted, just be normal, and you'll meet like-minded guys.
00:57:56.060And maybe you can even, you know, take them down the rabbit hole with you.
00:58:29.120I mean, again, I think that there's, like John said, value in being able to look at those leftist pieces where they accidentally produce someone who's good and based.
00:58:39.160And even if they're attempting to cast them as the villain, you can still kind of find some value in analyzing that.
00:58:47.320But there is a problem inherently when you're having to do all of your cultural identity through someone else's lens.
00:58:56.020Yeah, I saw great tweets about Rorschach from The Watchman that was like, what was it like?
00:59:02.640Stinky schizophrenic man thinks that killing people is bad.
00:59:06.180You like him because you're not smart enough to understand that killing millions of people is actually ethically justified.
00:59:12.560It was like went on for several paragraphs.
00:59:13.940But it was sort of funny because Alan Moore, I guess, wrote Rorschach to be like a caricature of like right wing people.
00:59:20.300And he was supposed to be stupid and his values were actually inconducive to saving the world or whatever.
00:59:25.820But I guess history has kind of indicated that position since, you know, the Cold War panic didn't really live up to the expectation at the time.
00:59:32.320So, yeah, things like that Rorschach, the keep your rifle by your side song from Far Cry 5.
00:59:36.700Every time they try to make a piece of media that's like making fun of right wing people, it's almost like we were starving for it and they just made it for us.
00:59:56.440Thuggo says, are these companies suffering from the fact that universities only churn out identity Marxists?
01:00:02.840I mean, yeah, that's certainly part of the problem, right?
01:00:05.400But the workforce that they could even hire from is itself already steeped in this ideology.
01:00:12.200It's already been selected for these characteristics and their lack of, you know, IQ and other things.
01:00:18.240And so that's all going to get filtered down into those corporations.
01:00:21.560And there's a chicken and egg question, you know, is it are they hiring these people because that's the only thing that's available from the universities?
01:00:29.320Are they selecting from these people because are these people from the universities because that's what they want?
01:00:33.820And the universities continue to train that.
01:00:35.860I tend to think that it's university first before it gets to the college.
01:00:40.200But other people have other opinions about that flow of causality.
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