The Auron MacIntyre Show - Disney's Epic Implosion ｜ Guest： John Doyle ｜ 1⧸15⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.480 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.100 I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:37.280 So I'm sure many of you have watched the implosion of Disney that has been ongoing.

00:00:42.540 It's movie after movie after movie, television show after television show.

00:00:47.120 Just completely bombs, makes no money back.

00:00:49.720 They get terrible press.

00:00:51.400 I think a lot of us remember this company as something that was kind of a beloved property from our childhood.

00:00:56.740 And then you watch them pick up all these other studios.

00:00:59.360 It looked like they were going to be a media juggernaut forever.

00:01:02.420 But that's clearly not happening.

00:01:04.340 And so I want to talk to John Doyle.

00:01:06.780 He's got a great YouTube channel, Hack Off Commie.

00:01:10.140 He's got a number of good videos on entertainment, specifically a hilarious one on Gaston and Beauty and the Beast.

00:01:15.720 But I wanted to talk to him today about Disney because I want to know, was Disney always this family-friendly organization?

00:01:24.100 Is this really just a case of, you know, go woke and end up broke?

00:01:28.840 And is there something that conservatives can do about this?

00:01:31.140 Is there a future for conservative media after companies like this fail?

00:01:34.660 So, John, thanks for coming on, man.

00:01:36.560 Yeah, thank you for having me.

00:01:37.840 I'm glad that I could take a break from being the MLK experts to be the Disney expert for today's broadcast.

00:01:45.340 Yeah, I have already done an episode on MLK like you did.

00:01:50.140 And we'll probably get to that a little bit here at the end of the show just because it is the holiday.

00:01:54.020 We should celebrate.

00:01:55.180 Right.

00:01:55.680 Yeah, the MLK thing is something I have to do every year just to show my membership card.

00:02:00.000 Yeah, I'm one of us.

00:02:01.080 But really what I enjoy is the more pressing cultural issues of our time, such as analysis of Disney films, things adjacent to those.

00:02:09.200 All right, man.

00:02:10.040 So I guess my first question is this.

00:02:12.160 I remember growing up, and I'm obviously older than you, but I think probably both of us at some point had memories of Disney as kind of this family-friendly, everybody can get together and watch these movies.

00:02:22.420 The Disney animated films were something that you and your siblings would watch over and over and over again, wear the tape out or the DVD, depending on how old you are.

00:02:33.260 And suddenly we have this scenario where this beloved franchise that was building all this momentum, picking up all these studios like Pixar and Marvel and Lucasfilms and making money hand over its fist, just seemed like they were printing money all over the place.

00:02:49.400 All of a sudden they're stumbling.

00:02:50.640 What's going on with this?

00:02:52.620 Is this a situation where they just picked up the message, they started spouting all the kind of Rainbow Pride stuff, and that's what brought their downfall? 0.94

00:02:59.900 What's going on?

00:03:00.860 I would like to assign blame to that.

00:03:03.180 I really would like to believe that when companies go woke, they resultantly go broke.

00:03:07.880 But I just don't really see that happening.

00:03:09.760 I mean, I remember even covering a headline on the News and Why It Matters program hosted by our friend Sarah Gonzalez,

00:03:15.900 where the headlines that the conservative outlets were running with were, oh, Disney going broke, you know, they lose X amount of revenue in Q3 or something because they went woke.

00:03:24.980 And then you read the articles that these publishers are putting out.

00:03:28.240 And they were even like conceding that it was because they lost some license to stream some sport in India or something.

00:03:34.560 And, you know, they're losing market share to these other streaming services, which are producing content that's like equally woke, I guess, in terms of the trajectory.

00:03:41.780 So I would like to assign blame to that, but I just don't see it.

00:03:44.740 I think it's probably more so, I mean, I guess you could say this is an element of wokeness.

00:03:49.400 These companies hiring, you know, diversity hires, people who subscribe to these ideologies, and they're just incapable of producing good content.

00:03:56.720 Because, you know, I look back at even like Toy Story 2, which I rewatched recently.

00:04:00.940 And there's a part in Toy Story 2 where Jesse, the cowgirl, does something that Buzz Lightyear finds to be particularly attractive, and then his wings shoot out and deploy, which as a 24-year-old, I'm seeing that now.

00:04:12.860 And I'm like, wait a minute, that's not exactly family-friendly content.

00:04:15.940 So there's always been these sort of like innuendos, I think, that have been inserted into these programs to sort of wink at the parents, wink at adults watching.

00:04:23.020 I wonder how much of it is just our inability to produce good content in general anymore, this sort of like cultural stagnation where because everything is so on demand now, like when you or myself were watching movies or watching television 20 years ago, it was decided by networks.

00:04:38.860 And, you know, you tune in at 4 o'clock to watch this show, 5 o'clock to watch this show.

00:04:42.640 But now because everything is so on demand, now you've got shows that are competing with, you know, shows that were out 20, 30 years ago, movies that were out 20, 30 years ago.

00:04:50.340 So even in music, it's the same thing where you can't really make something that's going to be better than Led Zeppelin or better than early SpongeBob if you grew up in my generation.

00:05:00.840 And so it's just bad content, bad programming all around.

00:05:04.540 And I think they do try to ornament it with a lot of like the diversity stuff, the LGBT stuff.

00:05:08.880 But I think just in general, it's bad.

00:05:11.480 Yeah, I would agree.

00:05:12.800 I think your mic might be hitting something as you're moving around there.

00:05:15.900 The CIA and Mossad intercepting the transmission to prevent the pressing issues.

00:05:22.980 But but yeah, I think you're right.

00:05:25.060 This is not some new development.

00:05:27.200 I think back to many of those beloved movies like Beauty and the Beast and The Little Mermaid and and Aladdin.

00:05:33.840 And while they were certainly less obvious, I think, with pushing some of the progressive stuff, those elements were there.

00:05:40.560 Movies like Mulan, they certainly had a very particular worldview they were trying to advance that wouldn't be welcome in many of the places where those fables were drawn from.

00:05:51.460 Try telling those, you know, that version of Aladdin or Mulan in their home countries.

00:05:56.420 I think they did that with Mulan in the remake and ended up having quite the controversy.

00:06:00.640 So I feel like Disney always had a certain level of baseline progressivism that was very obvious in many of their cartoons, their movies, those kind of things.

00:06:11.740 But we just kind of ignored it because, A, we're kids and we're not really picking up on the messages that are being directly sent to us.

00:06:17.500 But B, they didn't feel as malicious and upfront.

00:06:21.240 But most importantly, I think, was the quality of those films.

00:06:24.940 You can say what you want about the messages.

00:06:26.540 The jokes were funny.

00:06:27.980 The music was funny.

00:06:29.140 The animation was beautiful.

00:06:30.780 There was a lot of talent on display.

00:06:33.420 And I think for a lot of conservatives, they look at this stuff and they say, oh, well, the message is there.

00:06:38.280 And because the message is there, that's what makes it seductive.

00:06:41.580 That's what pushes this stuff on kids. 1.00

00:06:43.060 That's what indoctrinates people into it.

00:06:45.760 But I don't think that's really the case.

00:06:47.100 I mean, that obviously is part of why it's there.

00:06:49.600 But the fact that it was of quality, the thing that people wanted to watch because it was entertaining, because it had some level of enrichment that was bringing to the table, allows them to then bring their message along with it.

00:07:02.460 And I think until conservatives understand that it's the quality of the content that allows them to communicate the message instead of thinking that the message is the central aspect that needs to be changed, I think they're going to continue to run into this problem.

00:07:14.980 Absolutely. And even with something like Milan, that message is almost less subversive than a film that depicts a woman who is becoming like a girl boss or something, because it's almost absurd.

00:07:26.960 Because even if you do concede that it's like, OK, this is a movie about a woman who is fighting and even she's more competent than a lot of the male soldiers, women who are watching that movie, they might, you know, oh, we can do anything you can do.

00:07:37.700 They don't actually believe that they don't act in ways that demonstrate that you wouldn't see like an increase in women enlisting into combat roles because of movies like that.

00:07:44.980 What I took away from that as a child was almost more of a message about like duty and honor and sacrifice, you know, protecting family members, which, you know, maybe are not traditionally feminine virtues, but I think that they were still successful because they were ultimately good virtues, as opposed to something that would be more modern, where it's like, you know, I'm going to put off having a family or being a mother or nurturer, and I'm going to instead freeze my eggs and go work for some corporation or something like that.

00:08:11.520 But it is also true that conservatives can't make movies without making them like self referential, they have to be obviously conservative movies, anything that we make that's conservative culture has to be marketed to a built in audience, because we lack a sort of connection to our intellectual tradition, as people who are conservative or right wing.

00:08:31.080 And so we can only really respond to the absurdities of the left, where we see, you know, the left having a partnership with Dylan Mulvaney. And so we have to do a base beer now, or the left does this. And so we have to do anti that, but we don't have the confidence or knowledge to really create anything that sort of stands for itself for its own sake.

00:08:48.860 It always has to respond to something that people find vaguely annoying about the woke stuff.

00:08:55.440 What do you think it is that separated conservatives from their culture in this way? Is it just the general cultural revolution, something in the 60s? What is it that makes it so difficult for conservatives to connect something to a tradition and be confident in that and communicate it in a way that is competent and enjoyable?

00:09:15.620 Probably because our talking head and pundit class was gatekept from becoming what it was supposed to be and maintaining that sort of tradition and understanding, whether it's through the National Review guys, or even like in the last 1015 years or so that has gotten a lot better.

00:09:31.820 I think that people who are more, quote unquote, radical, meaning they have done the reading and they have sort of followed the conclusion of certain ideas to their logical extent, those people are gatekept from the discussion to a large extent because the people who are more mainstream maybe view them to be threatening, view them to be, you know, off putting or something like that.

00:09:52.120 A lot of times it's just some personal grudge because they don't like, because I mean, if you're like a total like mainstream talking head guy and you've been repeating the same platitudes and talking points that, you know, the generations prior had been doing, you're going to be threatened by someone who comes along and they actually have a more interesting and a fresher answer, also a true answer to the issues that your audience are asking about.

00:10:10.860 And so I think that those people have been kept from the discussion to a large extent.

00:10:15.900 And that's going to bleed into the way that our culture sort of reflects itself and channels itself politically.

00:10:21.080 Are we seeing the end in some ways of the modern movie culture?

00:10:26.840 Because it feels like in it feels like Disney is a victim of these large acquisitions that just kind of all busted one after the other.

00:10:35.100 Maybe it's because Disney is just ruining the production of all of these movies.

00:10:38.940 But it also feels like they bought up, you know, Marvel Studios and 20th Century Fox and all of these studios that were in the business of making these giant comic blockbusters that had hundreds of millions of dollars of production value behind it.

00:10:52.680 I remember when you used to be able to go to a movie theater and watch a 10, 20, 30 million dollar movie and they would expect a good return on that.

00:11:00.020 They would expect that to do well.

00:11:01.520 Today, it feels like movies can only be, you know, some crazy indie movie or a 300 million dollar highly managed safe production.

00:11:10.080 And Disney's gone around and bought up all these studios that are particularly in that business.

00:11:13.700 And now it feels like people are kind of done with the CGI special effects spectacle.

00:11:19.440 That's not enough to bring people to the plate.

00:11:22.180 And now they've just kind of they're stuck holding all of these dinosaur franchises that are dying off one by one.

00:11:29.720 Yeah, my my dopamine receptors have been fried out.

00:11:32.880 I've seen the space battles and the aliens.

00:11:34.980 I want to return to just like criminals like imagine.

00:11:38.040 And I think that's honestly that's like my tinfoil hat on it.

00:11:40.520 Why superhero films as a genre have drifted away from just like Batman fights criminals?

00:11:45.680 Because there are a lot of anxieties that people have right now about crime in this country, crime in the world that could be accurately portrayed through something like that, where you've got a vigilante who steps up to restore order to his community.

00:11:58.080 But instead, it has to be no, it's about Thanos who wants to depopulate people.

00:12:02.640 And that's like freaking bad.

00:12:04.180 And we have to stop him or things of that nature.

00:12:07.240 But I do think there's also a sinister component where they'll buy these franchises and they will market their new films, whether it's like Indiana Jones or they paid Harrison Ford.

00:12:17.660 I don't even know how much money to reprise that role or the same thing with Harrison Ford in the new Star Wars films where in the trailer, you know, they do that like fade in with Han Solo and everyone's super excited he's back and then they kill him off immediately.

00:12:29.700 So it's like they get you by marketing the characters and the movies that you love and you go pay your $12 for a ticket and then what you watch is a terrible story.

00:12:38.540 And it's almost like humiliating to see those characters that you love so much like, you know, treated in the ways that they're treated or sort of just like dragged out and they're limping along or even just killed off completely.

00:12:49.700 And they want to tell those same stories using the momentum that was built up by those franchises, but then they have to ornament them with having like, you know, a completely diverse cast.

00:13:00.360 Every culture, every subgroup is represented in a way that doesn't really add anything to the story, but ultimately like pokes a lot of holes in it.

00:13:06.700 Like the whole story of Star Wars initially was Luke Skywalker has to figure out how to be a Jedi and be responsible.

00:13:12.160 And then you've got the new Star Wars movies and it's like, okay, we've got this woman. 0.99

00:13:16.000 She's a Jedi. 0.99

00:13:16.840 We don't really know how she's like better and actually even more moral and more of a real Jedi than Luke Skywalker is.

00:13:22.520 And so it's just all backwards and nonsense and nobody likes it, but they still pay to go see. 0.94

00:13:27.720 And I think Disney knows that.

00:13:28.880 I think that they have purged themselves of the real class of like autistic filmmakers who really actually cared about the production value and cared about telling good stories. 0.98

00:13:37.440 And now it's just people who think good stories are like, well, we're going to have something that's kind of cool and interesting and it's going to be a grand spectacle.

00:13:43.600 But the real goodness of the story is going to be the fact that every culture and every identity has been represented through the cast.

00:13:50.780 The thing I found interesting about kind of the Star Wars continuation is they didn't even know what to do.

00:13:55.440 Like obviously the end of the original Star Wars movies is the fact that the Empire is defeated and now you're going to have these guys who need to like figure out how to rule the galaxy.

00:14:03.680 But they can't even do that because that would mean that these people are in charge and they have authority and they had to grow up and, you know, they have to become some kind of responsible society.

00:14:12.580 So instead they just make up some random thing where everybody just hits reset and they go back to being rebels.

00:14:18.580 No, no reason.

00:14:19.660 It makes no sense.

00:14:20.420 There's there's absolutely they just couldn't.

00:14:22.760 They had no idea how to portray these characters as kind of mature adults who managed to like put a civilization together and had to run society and like grew in some way that, you know, that might.

00:14:33.680 Might communicate some kind of conservative value, some kind of some kind of order.

00:14:38.860 The only thing they can have is the rebel and there's no other way to write this.

00:14:43.380 I also think it's interesting that, yeah, Harrison Ford has to go through this humiliation ritual of every franchise like he's he's the the lodestone of every one of these franchises and his job in each one is to become a sad old like single dad who has to hand over the franchise to a girl who's good at everything and talk down to him the entire time.

00:15:00.860 And that's the only way they can manage to write this.

00:15:03.280 Yeah, they did the same thing with James Bond.

00:15:05.380 I remember seeing No Time to Die where they because when they they debuted the black actress as Moneypenny in Skyfall and she wasn't more competent than him. 0.76

00:15:17.180 In fact, she was actually pretty incompetent. 0.99

00:15:18.960 I remember even in the first scene where they're doing a car chase.

00:15:21.820 She didn't know what she was doing and he had to grab the wheel and, you know, run the Range Rover into the bad guy's car. 0.55

00:15:26.580 So that was like, OK, I'm not going to be offended by that just because she's black. 1.00

00:15:30.580 But when you bring in like there was the character No Time to Die, this secret agent who's a black woman.

00:15:35.520 And now she's actually portrayed as being more competent than James Bond and, you know, even surviving, whereas he sacrifices himself at the end.

00:15:43.760 I guess he doesn't really sacrifice himself.

00:15:45.500 He did get out foxed there.

00:15:46.900 It's just things like that, like seeing people who are traditionally beloved characters who are competent, being upstaged by people who are not believably going to be more competent than them.

00:15:56.500 And especially because they're just newer characters.

00:15:58.300 We don't know what these people's backgrounds are.

00:16:00.040 That is where it just does get really off putting to the audience.

00:16:02.360 Even my dad had like an ego death walking out of that theater.

00:16:04.900 He's like, you know, just some boomer just wants to grill.

00:16:07.380 They just have to destroy everything.

00:16:09.940 He's like really just personally offended by the way that they took out James Bond.

00:16:13.940 So, yeah, it bleeds into every aspect, even franchises that aren't even Disney per se.

00:16:18.880 I had Jonathan Peugeot on last week and he's doing the Snow White retelling.

00:16:23.380 And he said the reason he started doing it was because he saw that Disney was going to try to make the movie and he just knew they couldn't tell they couldn't tell the story anymore.

00:16:30.700 He's like, you know, the minute I saw this on the Disney slate, I immediately started work on my thing because I knew that Disney had to fail at telling a story that involved romance and a woman being rescued and dwarves.

00:16:42.080 There's just too many elements that couldn't possibly.

00:16:44.740 And sure enough, they had to try to redo all this.

00:16:48.080 We ended up with seven people of diverse backgrounds and different mythical enchantments.

00:16:52.380 The Snow White can't be white.

00:16:53.900 She can't be rescued by a prince.

00:16:55.240 All of this stuff.

00:16:56.860 And when they saw kind of how disastrous this whole thing was, they've now gone back and apparently they're trying to just plug in CGI dwarves everywhere in some kind of, you know, panic thing.

00:17:06.140 But what does that mean for a company like Disney where their ideology doesn't allow them to tell just kind of the most basic archetypical stories about the human experience?

00:17:16.420 Yeah, I mean, that's a that's a company that made a name for themselves largely through telling those stories.

00:17:21.800 I mean, you know, the Disney princesses are like a whole roster of characters who I mean, I love those movies, too.

00:17:28.860 My sister loved those movies.

00:17:30.380 It doesn't necessarily have to be geared towards a feminine audience. 0.94

00:17:33.400 I mean, it was just like family movies that people enjoyed because it reflected something about the human experience that we could all resonate with.

00:17:39.700 But if you are staffing your production companies filled with people who have no idea what the human experience is, 0.51

00:17:46.120 or maybe they have an idea of it, but they feel betrayed by it.

00:17:48.580 And so they resent it. That's not going to be a recipe for success.

00:17:51.520 And they might be able to ride that wave of cultural familiarity and sort of a built in audience for a while.

00:17:57.160 But 10, 15 years from now, I mean, they're going to have to either readjust their content or try to just take it in a different direction completely.

00:18:04.580 But there's no way to keep making stuff that is not performing well with audiences and that is losing you money and sustain yourself as an entertainment company,

00:18:12.380 let alone one that's like a kingpin like they've been for so long.

00:18:15.420 So, obviously, a lot of this has just been remakes.

00:18:19.920 They've been going to this live action remake well, and the first couple did okay, but they're just getting worse and worse, more disasters with each one of these that they make.

00:18:28.600 Do you qualify as a Zoomer? Are you too old to be a Zoomer?

00:18:31.200 I consider myself a first-wave Zoomer.

00:18:34.800 I draw the line at 9-11.

00:18:37.260 I cannot understand the post-9-11 Zoomers, but I also, I'm not a millennial, but that really is like the line because, you know, 0.89

00:18:45.180 these kids grew up with iPhones and technology far more integrated into their day-to-days than my generation or my first half of the generation.

00:18:53.100 I think that is unique with Zoomers, too. 0.99

00:18:55.400 I don't think any other generation really has a micro-generation the way that Gen Z does, but yeah, I would be a first-wave Zoomer.

00:19:02.620 Yeah, I don't know.

00:19:03.240 I sit in the, I'm a couple years too young to be a Gen Xer, but I don't really feel like a millennial, so I don't know.

00:19:11.420 I kind of feel like I'm in that buffer zone as well, but that might just be a general feeling of being a couple years into the generation and mostly growing up with kind of the old culture.

00:19:20.840 But what I'm wondering is, you know, once that becomes, and, you know, these people are already coming of age, a lot of people think of Zoomers as the young people.

00:19:29.320 They're not.

00:19:29.820 Like, at this point, Zoomers are the ones starting to have kids and everything, and they're starting to have families. 0.98

00:19:34.940 You know, when these, when those kids are the ones that are the audiences for this thing, they're going to have no connection to any of these stories.

00:19:41.360 None of that nostalgia baits going to work anymore.

00:19:44.040 And all of the studios that, you know, that Disney bought out to try to keep themselves relevant over the years will have also been trading on all of these ancient properties.

00:19:55.440 And so I wonder what even shared culture they can make films about at that point, because it seems to me that the younger generation here, now I'm super old because I just used the phrase the younger generation here.

00:20:07.640 God, okay.

00:20:08.900 But it feels like, you know, from my wheelchair, it feels like the fracturing of content is the story of the next generation, that YouTube and these bite-sized pieces are really what people want to watch.

00:20:22.200 If you take a 10-year-old and you put them in front of a movie, they're just not interested anymore.

00:20:26.340 They don't have the attention span.

00:20:27.860 This content's more than seven minutes long.

00:20:29.820 I want to hit the next button.

00:20:31.080 And so I wonder, you know, what a media company like that can even do if it's trying to put out long form and by long form here, we mean like two to three hour movie content and expect it to do massive numbers that can recoup hundreds of millions of dollar type budgets.

00:20:46.440 That's what I'm wondering if the strategy, I mean, they must be self-aware to a certain degree that they are just churning out recycled, repackaged crap that panders to the lowest common denominator.

00:20:56.600 But maybe that's like their strategy just to buy themselves time when they're like, okay, how do we adapt to this market where the younger generations who are content supposed to be curated towards, they would, I mean, you'd even take a person to a movie theater, you watch a movie with a friend, they're on their phone.

00:21:11.500 Even people who aren't even like iPad kids, like I'll watch a movie with a buddy on his phone the whole time.

00:21:16.180 So maybe that's what their strategy is to like buying themselves time is, okay, we just have to make more of this, more of this.

00:21:21.580 It's working for the time being.

00:21:22.680 We know eventually it's not going to, but we have to buy ourselves some time until we figure out what the next step is because, you know, Netflix got into the streaming game.

00:21:30.800 They caught up.

00:21:31.360 They've got Disney plus every major network now has some form of streaming platform, but even that, I mean, they're wrestling for market share.

00:21:38.860 That doesn't even seem to really be like a, an inroad the way that it was maybe five, six years ago.

00:21:43.420 There has to be some next step because of the eroding attention spans.

00:21:46.900 And because there's just such a library of content that people have access to at all times, it's not, and people don't even go see, whether it's because of COVID or they're just antisocial, people don't go to movies the way that they used to go to movies.

00:21:58.760 They don't even really watch movies the way that they used to watch movies.

00:22:02.020 I mean, when they do, they go to the theater, they're on their phone, they're dressed like slobs. 0.98

00:22:05.540 They just, there's, it's not really that like experience or occasion of going out to see a movie like there used to be, unless it is some big blockbuster where it's like, you know, the next Avengers film or something like that.

00:22:16.560 Yeah.

00:22:16.940 When I was a kid, the movies were obvious, obviously an opportunity to see something big on, on the screen.

00:22:22.060 But when you got older, we become a teenager, young adult, it's a way to get away from your parents to hang out with your friends.

00:22:27.780 It's a larger amount of kind of unsupervised time that, that was the purpose was, it was a social activity meant to kind of, kind of give your group something to do something to share.

00:22:38.720 You go out and grab something to eat afterwards, that kind of thing.

00:22:41.820 Now it feels like, no, everybody just wants to be talking online.

00:22:44.900 They want to be texting, you know, they don't actually want to meet in person if they can at all avoid it.

00:22:49.840 And so it feels like the whole purpose of the movie theater experience for a large swath, especially the younger generation that would build nostalgia based on that experience is gone.

00:22:59.500 There's no incentive for that anymore.

00:23:01.460 Yeah.

00:23:01.900 I mean, they would, they would rather sit in someone's basement and do vape like a bunch of degenerates and play on their phones than go to, and that's got to be part of it too.

00:23:11.260 I mean, the last five times I've gone to a theater to see a movie, like three of them have been unpleasant because people talking, people being obnoxious.

00:23:18.620 And, you know, I remember being a teenager and being obnoxious in a movie theater, but I would shut up when the movie started.

00:23:24.760 Like, you know, that was sort of my implicit bargain with the adult patrons.

00:23:28.120 Like I'm going to be, I'm going to be this, but when, you know, that for when the, when the lights dim, then I'll be a respectful member of society.

00:23:35.060 I'll return my shopping cart or do the equivalent in the movie theater, but that's got to be part of it too.

00:23:39.240 I mean, the older generations who maybe do respect the institution of the cinema, maybe they're not even going anymore because you can't go to a movie without hearing talking people on their phones.

00:23:48.620 Things of that nature.

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00:24:21.040 What do you think that, I mean, obviously we talked a little bit about the fracturing of the market and the way that this, this format, format itself might be in trouble.

00:24:29.660 What do you think a company like that can do moving forward other than just marking time?

00:24:35.160 Are they all just going to go into buying, I don't know, TikTok production companies?

00:24:39.900 Like, what do you do with that when there's the core audience, the core kind of format that you were trying to sell were these longer form theater experiences.

00:24:50.240 That doesn't exist anymore.

00:24:52.260 Kind of the overwhelming streaming version isn't working either.

00:24:55.900 They're throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into these streaming shows.

00:24:59.380 Nobody's watching them.

00:25:00.300 What kind of outlet can they look for when that's no longer an option?

00:25:03.820 They'd probably have to start to move towards consolidating some fraction of market share in social media platforms and social media companies themselves.

00:25:12.980 I don't even know if that's possible, but that's where all the young people's eyes are on TikTok, Instagram.

00:25:18.360 Instagram Reels are a lot of fun.

00:25:20.340 YouTube, I guess Twitter now or X.

00:25:24.080 People just aren't watching television.

00:25:25.680 And, you know, when they are watching television, younger kids, it's just put on in the background.

00:25:29.780 They're not even like watching it, especially, too, with the way technology is developing, the way that advertisers can track how effective their ad buys are for kids.

00:25:38.220 I mean, I can tell you, I couldn't tell you the last time I heard a child express interest in a toy, let alone one that they saw on TV because of a commercial or something.

00:25:46.440 So I don't know how much money they're making from that programming.

00:25:49.560 I mean, I can remember seeing advertisements for things and making my Christmas list and this isn't what I want, but I just don't think it's effective for advertisers.

00:25:57.200 I don't think it's effective for the company.

00:25:58.780 So there's got to be some jump at some point.

00:26:01.200 But still, I mean, the trains are still running.

00:26:03.380 You've still got these time blocks of, okay, this network's going to have this program all day today.

00:26:08.220 Teen Titans Go running eight hours a day on Cartoon Network or something like that.

00:26:11.760 Like, there's got to be something to fill that time.

00:26:14.040 Maybe they are content with until they figure out what the next jump is to just replaying reruns of stuff that used to be good, stuff that's okay, but we're going to just play it all day until they figure that out.

00:26:23.920 Because I don't think there is a way to really bring anything back with the older models, older, I guess, being defined as even just five, six, seven years ago.

00:26:32.340 They're going to have to try to make an inroad in some form of new content or new trajectory as a media company because I don't think they have the courage to try to make older content but in a way that's better.

00:26:44.400 I don't think they have the courage to make good television shows or good movies the way that would have been defined by the golden era of Disney or something like that.

00:26:51.360 Yeah, I haven't had cable in I think almost decades at this point and it's weird because whenever I end up in a hotel room or something, I'm amazed how much of the television lineup is just 10 hours of Friends, 10 hours of Seinfeld, 10 hours of Frasier or something.

00:27:07.700 TV shows that were old when I was a kid and they're still basically the majority of programming and it's like, what happened?

00:27:15.520 Is culture just stuck in ice for these last few years?

00:27:19.820 You've got a few different innovations.

00:27:21.500 We're supposed to have this golden age of television that went on and HBO and these other premium services.

00:27:27.480 But the vast majority of the stuff that's still piped into most people's homes is almost purely reruns of these old shows and I just wonder what happened.

00:27:36.940 I mean, I guess we know that there's a lot of political correctness.

00:27:41.580 We know that there's a lot of, you know, that the lower level of creativity, they have to have many different hiring, many different people who don't have the ability to kind of produce a higher quality of content.

00:27:52.620 But I also wonder if there's just something about the inability to, I don't know, transgress in that kind of thing anymore.

00:27:58.220 They've kind of mined the all the marrow out of the bones of kind of the Christian substructure of our culture. 1.00

00:28:04.800 It feels like all of that heat that they used to generate by kind of burning the social fabric just doesn't exist anymore.

00:28:10.860 You look at, you know, I think as little Nas X or whatever has another I'm being crucified.

00:28:15.660 It's like, how's who cares at this point? 0.91

00:28:17.680 Like, you're so boring.

00:28:19.240 This is what you did for your last three songs.

00:28:22.400 Who's even around be offended at this at this point?

00:28:24.900 It just feels like there's there's no ability for them to kind of create any friction or any kind of traction when it comes to creative content at this point.

00:28:33.480 Yeah, I mean, maybe that's the impetus.

00:28:36.000 You know, they're like, OK, people are just going to binge watch Friends all day anyways on Netflix.

00:28:40.160 Our best chance to compete is to just put it on all day on our network so that they can watch it here as an alternative.

00:28:45.640 But I think that's exactly right.

00:28:47.260 They are like locked into this box where they're afraid to do anything that might get them in trouble.

00:28:51.520 I mean, even something like The Office, you know, I hate to use this line of argument, but The Office probably couldn't be made nowadays because it would get canceled by the woke mob. 0.98

00:29:00.580 Because you've got Michael Scott, who is like a sex pest and like implicitly racist. 0.98

00:29:06.820 And but I mean, he's harmless. 0.99

00:29:08.080 He's a good guy.

00:29:08.880 He's like your uncle at Thanksgiving, maybe he's just, you know, a funny guy.

00:29:13.240 People can relate to him.

00:29:14.360 The experience is in that office if you've worked in any capacity in like an office environment or even something like Breaking Bad.

00:29:20.160 I mean, that's widely regarded to be like the best television show of all time.

00:29:23.280 And Breaking Bad is a story of a guy who feels emasculated, even I mean, accessorized by the fact that his son is disabled.

00:29:30.660 I mean, his heir is like this this kid and he's got what is it he's got the crutches.

00:29:37.260 I don't know the name of the disease, maybe MS or something.

00:29:39.500 And he's got like a speech impediment.

00:29:41.160 And like this guy feels totally emasculated and he decides to become himself by creating a drug empire.

00:29:47.040 And that is like a story that is very empowering for a demographic that is not allowed to be empowered.

00:29:52.020 But people still watch it.

00:29:53.020 They love it.

00:29:53.400 They don't maybe know why they love it.

00:29:54.680 But stories like that, which are even framed to be problematic.

00:29:58.420 I don't think people or production companies have the the audacity to make any more.

00:30:02.460 It's a lot safer to just have like very quirky self-referential bits that recycle the same sort of plot lines, but they don't really do anything that is interesting.

00:30:12.380 Or even like something like The Sopranos has a lot of commentary between, you know, Tony and his psychiatrist or Tony and Christopher about the decline that we were seeing in the late 90s, in the 2000s in this country.

00:30:25.020 That's a lot of commentary that people like that they resonate with, but that couldn't be included in a program nowadays.

00:30:31.500 What do you think about this kind of phenomenon of the accidentally based or kind of low key based show?

00:30:36.760 Like, I don't know, The Shield or something where it comes out and there's a lot of truth in it.

00:30:41.640 There's a lot of kind of archetypes hidden in there and truth hidden in there that otherwise wouldn't make it past probably most of the production teams today.

00:30:51.560 Conservatives often jump on this.

00:30:54.560 A lot of people on the right tend to jump on these things, get excited about them, even when they're portrayed as kind of evil or comical in these.

00:31:00.900 You know, the debate always goes on about Warhammer 40K or these things that, oh, is it farcical or not?

00:31:05.720 Is it supposed to be satire, you know, Starship Troopers, that kind of thing?

00:31:09.500 Is that healthy that that's something that you can constantly see the right do?

00:31:14.860 Should they only be investing in things that are intentionally for them?

00:31:18.840 Or is it good that these things bubble up, these archetypes return over and over and again, even if they're produced by people who probably don't agree with them?

00:31:27.180 That's a good question. I have a reputation for analyzing pieces of media through a political lens.

00:31:33.380 And when I do that, I do that because I'm trying to appeal to a mass audience and get them to believe my ideas in a way that's familiar to them.

00:31:41.780 So, like, I do the Beauty and the Beast video and I'm saying that it's like feminist propaganda, which it probably is.

00:31:46.960 And Gaston's the true hero of the story.

00:31:48.680 And through that, we now have tens of thousands of young men who have the correct view on feminism, on things of that nature, not just like anti-third wave feminism, but a much more authentic understanding of it.

00:31:59.900 So it is good to a certain extent to take pieces of media that might communicate our ideas, even if only incidentally, and be like, look, see this.

00:32:06.840 You need to believe this. That is good.

00:32:08.560 But I do think that there is an impulse that we have on the rights because we are so devoid of victory to look at anything that might even vaguely express right-wing sentiment in the culture and be like, oh, my gosh, we're taking the culture back.

00:32:22.680 Look, where in reality, it's probably more like you said, where it's just accidentally.

00:32:26.020 It just sort of happened because maybe some producer wanted to tell this story.

00:32:29.600 They don't understand that the movie is maybe implicitly right-wing.

00:32:32.460 And if they found that out, maybe they wouldn't have made it in the way that they did.

00:32:36.400 But we also, on the other hand, don't really have an ability to make those pieces of media ourselves.

00:32:42.020 So I'm kind of at a loss on that one.

00:32:44.020 I don't exactly know what the way forward is.

00:32:45.540 I will continue to do my job, which is to co-opt these things and claim them as victories if it helps red pill the audience more. 0.93

00:32:52.120 But I don't know what the way forward is, I guess, for the broader movement.

00:32:56.160 Yeah, I don't think it's ideal, but I think you're right that you kind of have to work with what you have in that scenario.

00:33:00.880 When you're in the guerrilla warfare position, you can't complain about the fact that you can't amass ranks of troops.

00:33:06.380 And so you kind of just have to work with what you have there.

00:33:08.860 So your latest video was on why the right can't produce culture.

00:33:14.180 And I think a very interesting point that you made was that the idea of producing culture at all is kind of misnomer.

00:33:21.180 Could you go into that a little bit?

00:33:23.420 Sure. Yeah, I sort of laugh because I see this on the timeline so often from these people where they're like,

00:33:28.900 the right needs to be making culture and it's like, OK, do it.

00:33:32.260 Go on, make some culture. Let me see. Let me see what you got, because it misunderstands culture.

00:33:36.860 And, you know, I had to segue it into the immigration thing as well, because it doesn't surprise me at all that the class of people who thinks that culture is something that can just be commissioned.

00:33:43.580 It's the same class of people who believes in the sort of universal American identity where anybody can come to America and become an American, assimilate into American culture, whatever that is.

00:33:53.820 So it's very unsurprising to me that that definition they have in their mind for, you know, the as it pertains to immigration policy would translate so fluently over to how they believe, you know, the culture war ought to be fought in America.

00:34:05.160 But, yeah, I mean, it's basically to say that you look at what defines American culture at its peak.

00:34:11.820 These were not things that were done because people got together and were like, we really need to do this.

00:34:17.120 We need to make sure that our music is operating well.

00:34:19.940 We need to make sure that our architecture looks good and we need to make sure that our films are good.

00:34:23.440 Like, obviously, whenever somebody creates anything, they probably want it to be good and to be successful and to be remembered.

00:34:29.760 But it's to say that there was no top down effort saying that we need to make culture because culture is something that is a reflection of the spirit of the people making it.

00:34:37.760 It's a reflection of the soul of the people making it.

00:34:40.260 And that's why you see that a lot of the culture that the left makes is resentful and subversive and perverted because that is fundamentally what leftists are.

00:34:48.480 And you see a lot of the culture that's made by conservatives is ultimately just smug because that's what we are.

00:34:53.560 We just want to be smug and we want to own the libs. 0.73

00:34:55.880 We want to show it to our our niece at Thanksgiving and say, look at this.

00:34:59.240 Aren't you so triggered? And she's just like eating.

00:35:01.640 She's like, what are you talking about? Leave me alone. Stop talking to me.

00:35:04.960 You're making me uncomfortable. And because that's what we are.

00:35:07.420 We are smug and we don't really have a focus or serious focus on victory and on actually winning any of these battles, let alone culturally.

00:35:14.240 I think you're right that kind of having this idea that paper is what makes you an American and there's no particularity to what people should enjoy as part of your culture, as part of a people, a group that has a shared tradition and history and instead of values, a moral vision that are setting forward.

00:35:31.540 That makes it very difficult for conservatives to come in because this should be their moment, right?

00:35:36.620 Like you have the left. And like I said, with Peugeot, he realized like they can't make this movie anymore because they're just completely disconnected from these archetypes.

00:35:45.540 They don't have an understanding of kind of where this comes from, why this matters.

00:35:50.140 Everything in here is taboo and forbidden anyway.

00:35:52.520 And that should be the moment that a conservative can step up and say, well, I know how to tell the story.

00:35:57.620 I know what this is connected to, but because they're kind of dedicated to liberalism, but 20 years ago, they're kind of stuck with it with the same problem because they don't have really any more connection to that history and that tradition than the average liberal did.

00:36:14.600 They just remember that they should write like, oh, well, I remember there was a time where like my dad understood why he fought in a war, but I don't know what that would mean.

00:36:24.500 And so I don't know what a sacrifice like that would look like.

00:36:27.220 And so I don't know how to tell any kind of story connected to it, because at this point, I'm kind of three parts removed from anything that actually would give me the identity and the understanding and the frame of context to tell that story.

00:36:40.480 Right. Yeah. They just want to go back to the 1990s.

00:36:42.860 This is the the millennial occupied millennial occupied political class.

00:36:47.740 I just want to go back to the 1990s or even like there was I think it was Daily Wire made a movie and it was a conservative movie.

00:36:54.500 Because it was about self-defense and not being a victim and fighting off a school shooter.

00:36:58.660 But then the protagonist was a young lady.

00:37:02.100 And that's cool. But, you know, this is just not quite where we want it to be.

00:37:07.560 And it's like that, like they understand it insofar as they maybe don't like the narrative that's being espoused by the left.

00:37:12.480 But they don't have a deep enough understanding of the issue to take it to where it needs to be, to where somebody who is impartial would look at what is being offered by both sides and be like, OK, both of these sides understand what they're saying.

00:37:23.180 They are in clear opposition to each other. They're confident in what they believe.

00:37:26.600 And now I can actually make a choice. It seems to be that is represented by the actions of one side.

00:37:31.880 And the other side is just kind of like, well, not exactly there, but I'm also not really offering a serious alternative at the same time.

00:37:40.020 So I think we've probably covered most of what's going on with Disney here.

00:37:45.440 So I wanted to break into your other field of expertise for today.

00:37:49.940 Yes, yes.

00:37:50.540 It's the veneration, a holiday, much remembered, often by the conservative community.

00:37:55.700 I've done an episode on this.

00:37:57.820 So if people want to go into depth, I know you've done a full episode on this, too.

00:38:01.680 And so people can look more into the background.

00:38:04.120 But for people who are thinking Martin Luther King, you know, conservative icon, of course, this is this is something we should be celebrating.

00:38:12.600 What do you have to say to that?

00:38:15.760 Well, you know, I did take a lot of inspiration from your video, actually.

00:38:19.640 I remember even before we went live, you told me that I should get a white monster to celebrate MLK Day.

00:38:24.660 I don't know what you meant by that, but we.

00:38:28.340 We are enjoying we are when in Rome following the customs, but basically the MLK problem is that if you can see that MLK is fundamentally a good figure in American history,

00:38:39.040 which the parameters of that debate are completely established, I mean, you can agree that he or you can disagree that he was a hero in the way that the left wants him to be regarded.

00:38:46.800 But you still have to believe that he is a hero if you want to exist within a mainstream conservative circle.

00:38:51.700 And the problem with that is that if you believe that MLK is actually somebody who should be regarded positively in the sort of historiography of America,

00:39:01.220 what you're conceding is that the cause of the civil rights movement, the successes of it, all of that is actually like good and justified.

00:39:08.960 And so then the question becomes, well, where do you want to draw the line then if MLK was good, if the civil rights movement was good?

00:39:14.740 Well, when did it become not good?

00:39:16.280 Why are there so many parallels between the sentiment and the rhetoric in the 1960s and the sentiment and the rhetoric that we have now?

00:39:22.440 If something changed in between, it seems like it's always been sort of the same thing.

00:39:25.960 So they can't really draw a line at when things actually change.

00:39:28.980 Like we said earlier, I mean, they are really incapable of understanding what they even believe.

00:39:32.580 They just know that they are in opposition to what is being espoused presently by the left.

00:39:37.220 And so that's the problem.

00:39:39.120 And it's very self-defeating because now you have a conservative political establishment that is revering Martin Luther King.

00:39:44.800 And so it's much more difficult for them to articulate why the successors of his movement are actually wrong,

00:39:50.720 why the policies that were alluded to in many of his writings are actually wrong,

00:39:55.520 if they've conceded the fundamental point, which is that this country was structurally, fundamentally, institutionally racist and morally wrong.

00:40:03.280 And it had to be reformed through the civil rights movement and the legislation and the court rulings.

00:40:07.780 And now, well, why is it suddenly so wrong when those things are taken to their logical conclusions that, again,

00:40:13.720 Martin Luther King would have been fully in support of?

00:40:16.400 Yeah, that's the part that is always confusing to me because what I always hear is, well, it was all it was hijacked by Marxism.

00:40:22.840 You know, Marxism, you know, it's at some point there there was a switch thrown maybe, I don't know, seven or eight years ago.

00:40:29.980 So and and the Marxists took over the civil rights movement.

00:40:33.120 That's when it turned bad.

00:40:34.480 But when you look at even I mean, a guy like Chris Ruffo wrote a book about the culture revolution,

00:40:39.360 and he has the Marxists being well entrenched in that revolution in the 60s.

00:40:45.480 And it's, I think, pretty well known that MLK was relatively close with a number of communists.

00:40:51.840 And it's like, so what point do you think this magically happened if it was there at the very beginning?

00:40:56.980 It seems very incoherent to acknowledge that simultaneously this was a core factor in the movement back at its foundation.

00:41:05.120 But also it just happened to hijack the movement like seven years ago.

00:41:10.020 Yeah, it's sort of interesting.

00:41:11.460 I saw an article this morning, where I think it's something like 50% of citizens in South Africa are now completely dependent on state welfare.

00:41:20.660 And the ANC responded to this statistic, and they said, well, this is good, actually.

00:41:23.900 It's like when you when you understand sort of the impulse that drives people to maybe be more woke,

00:41:28.400 or the impulse that drives people to maybe be more communist, it's very difficult to separate that.

00:41:33.260 Because ultimately, what that means is you want wealth redistributed from one group and given to other groups.

00:41:38.120 And so maybe somebody who is a Black Lives Matter person wants that to be specifically from white people to non-white people.

00:41:44.280 And maybe you've got a communist who just wants it to be from the tax base to everyone else.

00:41:49.160 And then you're like, OK, well, the tax base white people, these are very difficult groups to separate.

00:41:53.680 So it is sort of all the same thing.

00:41:55.100 And honestly, most of the the drive to separate those is not done out of a sense of like truth seeking or intellectual honesty.

00:42:03.440 It's much more because they're afraid of being called mean names by people who hate them already,

00:42:07.960 because it's like, OK, well, can I be opposed to the civil rights movement because it was like driven by racial resentment?

00:42:12.900 And it's like, no, you have to be opposed to it because they had communist sympathies.

00:42:16.000 And it's like, OK, yes, but if we're going to go there, if we're going to swing at the king, literally Martin Luther King,

00:42:22.440 we should probably go all the way there because otherwise we're going to be misleading our base.

00:42:27.840 It feels like there was this giant shift in the Reagan era, right?

00:42:34.000 These kind of gets lionized up to this point.

00:42:36.680 I think that opposition to King as kind of a leading figure nationwide in general is pretty common, especially on the right.

00:42:45.860 And after he, you know, the holiday comes in and many of these points are conceded at that moment,

00:42:51.960 we have to kind of go back and retroactively rewrite all of King's history.

00:42:56.440 And so, yeah, he said, you know, judge people by the content of their character,

00:43:00.320 but he believed in affirmative action and he wanted racial quotas and he believed in income redistribution.

00:43:05.620 And basically kind of all of the things that the modern woke people would want to apply and continue applying.

00:43:12.740 DI, I don't think outside of maybe the LGBT stuff would look particularly odd to King.

00:43:17.760 And yet somehow I have, you know, Josh Hawley coming on and say, actually, you know, he's, you know, the, the, the return of Christ.

00:43:26.140 It's basically, uh, he, he spoke with the power of Christ.

00:43:28.620 Like actually he didn't even believe in the deity of Christ.

00:43:31.220 So that's, that's just seems like a weird thing that we have to retroactively go back and, and change all this.

00:43:36.580 And it all kind of hinged on that eighties moment.

00:43:38.620 Yeah. And it's so insulting too, because you can present these people with primary source evidence, an argument, uh, about how, okay, well, wait a minute.

00:43:48.260 Why are all of MLK's successors, right-hand men?

00:43:52.140 Why did they go on to become people like, you know, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?

00:43:56.520 Why did, why do they support black lives matter? 1.00

00:43:58.180 Like what about that would MLK have tried to correct and prevent them from doing?

00:44:02.720 And then they'll send you that one quote as if you hadn't heard that.

00:44:06.660 I understand everything you're saying, but consider this quote that MLK said about judging people based on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin.

00:44:14.440 And you read that and then you're just like a totally BTFO'd argument, completely obliterated.

00:44:18.780 I hadn't even, that hadn't even occurred to me.

00:44:20.720 I mean, I can't believe I wasted so much time reading all this other stuff when that quote was right there on Facebook.

00:44:25.780 Yeah. And it's like, look guys, I'm with you.

00:44:27.840 Like treat people well, like don't be a jerk to people because of the color of skin. 0.98

00:44:31.100 Okay. That's fine. 0.99

00:44:31.740 Do we have to pretend the man never said anything else?

00:44:34.160 Like, is that, does that have to be the end of all of his communications?

00:44:37.520 His entire history vanishes?

00:44:39.600 Like I promise, like they're going to call you racist either way.

00:44:42.480 So you can just like treat people well and then acknowledge that all the rest of this is just incorrect.

00:44:48.120 This is not a legacy that actually is conservative.

00:44:50.880 Yeah. And that quote wasn't even his.

00:44:52.540 I mean, he spoke it, but I believe that was ghostwritten from that one communist guy whose name escapes me.

00:44:59.460 But he ghostwrote that whole speech for him.

00:45:01.860 If that does come from the I have a dream speech, which it probably does.

00:45:05.020 The sentiment basically is articulated the same in that speech.

00:45:08.020 And that was ghostwritten.

00:45:08.740 I mean, you know, he said what he had to say because he was the leader of a political movement.

00:45:13.120 He was using a lot of language to try to appeal to white America, Christian America. 0.93

00:45:17.900 His nonviolence rhetoric was espoused, not because he was against violence necessarily, but because you had, you know, Black Panthers and Malcolm X who were fed posting talking about killing white police officers, killing white people.

00:45:30.220 And so you got all these white people in 20th century America who are like, wait a minute, I don't know how I feel about that. 0.86

00:45:34.560 And so he had to come out and say, no, we are nonviolent.

00:45:36.700 We are peaceful.

00:45:37.420 The same way now you'll have a rally, you'll have a protest.

00:45:40.880 And then the second it gets a little bit dark, a riot breaks out, things go badly.

00:45:44.480 Well, it was peaceful.

00:45:45.340 You know, 93% of Black Lives Matter protests were peaceful.

00:45:48.160 So when you really start to read into the history of this, like all history, it's the same thing.

00:45:52.160 It's the same problem.

00:45:53.140 Everything is just repeating.

00:45:54.400 And we rarely learn anything from it.

00:45:56.620 And that was very sobering when I really started to look into this topic.

00:45:59.640 I thought that I found some answers and I felt alleviated to a certain extent because it was like, okay, this is the same problem now as it has been for the last 70 years.

00:46:08.980 But then I did feel a little bit blackpilled because it was like, okay, we're probably not going to figure this out.

00:46:13.320 We're probably not going to solve it because we've been going at it for so many decades already.

00:46:17.100 Well, and the amazing thing is every time I have this conversation, and like you said, you bring these facts, you bring the primary sources, you bring the quotes.

00:46:23.360 And people look at that, and in their more honest moments, they'll even be like, well, yes, okay, maybe King believes some of this stuff, and maybe we have it represented to him.

00:46:34.480 But if you start talking about, you know, the issues with the Civil Rights Act, then we'll just go back to Jim Crow.

00:46:40.340 Yeah, we'll go back to Jim Crow. 0.95

00:46:41.880 We'll go back to that level of segregation.

00:46:44.140 And I was like, this is just the most disingenuous talking point possible.

00:46:47.860 The whole Civil Rights Revolution was sold to the American people on the idea that there was an emergency situation that needed to be solved by what are, frankly, extrajudicial means in order to kind of restructure the attitudes in the South specifically so that you could solve a problem.

00:47:07.460 Say what you want about that particular approach.

00:47:10.040 That was the way it was sold to the North, to most of the people who thought they would never be impacted by it.

00:47:14.900 And then it turned out to become this, you know, giant bureaucracy that enveloped almost the entire government, every private and public sector institution installed political commissars based on this ideology.

00:47:27.900 And it's very clear.

00:47:28.960 It's like, okay, guys, well, if you, do you really think that if we pulled this out tomorrow, like literally every, you know, HR manager disappeared off the face of the earth, suddenly the buses would be segregated?

00:47:41.700 Like, do we really believe that at this point?

00:47:43.920 Because it seems pretty ridiculous that the, but, but this is the way that it's approached every time someone suggests that perhaps this thing that was built to be temporary should finally become temporary.

00:47:53.900 Yeah. And I, I really, it is a luxury in politics to be spoken to, not like a kindergartner, like they'll always use this very charged moral language.

00:48:04.040 Like this is so vile. You literally want black people to have to deal with segregation again.

00:48:08.860 It's like, can we just speak about this like adults, please?

00:48:11.020 I mean, if you look at the, any metric by which you would try to evaluate the general wellbeing of a community, it's been worse for black Americans since the 1960s.

00:48:20.160 And so that should even just warrant discussion by itself. Like, okay, if this was the key to closing the gap, uh, between black Americans and white Americans, why has this gone so like disastrously for everybody involved, let alone the people who was supposed to help in the first place that in itself should warrant some more discussion and investigation.

00:48:38.960 But instead we just, well, that wasn't true civil rights. We have to take it further and we have to have more bureaucrats. We have to have more laws to close more gaps, more affirmative action, more thumbs on the scales, different things like that.

00:48:51.160 I mean, we're like a trillion dollars and 60, 70 years into this. And we've seen no significant progress. If anything, we've seen, uh, things get a lot worse.

00:48:59.140 And so I'm really optimistic on the base of that, that we're seeing, uh, more of the mainstream rights start to discuss this with much more criticism than they are, uh, veneration for Martin Luther King and broadly speaking, that entire movement.

00:49:13.060 What do you think about that change? What do you think brought that about? Cause it's very interesting.

00:49:16.160 I mean, I mean, Charlie Kirk was getting griped a few years ago and now he's talking about the, uh, you know, the, the civil rights act, like what happened there?

00:49:24.340 You know, I, I do want to take a little bit of credit for this. Not a lot of credit, but I jumped in the water with that video two years ago. Um, and I know that I have people who watch me who work for a lot of bigger talking heads and as their writers, as their production people.

00:49:37.720 And none of that was, I'm not like claiming that I was the guy who figured out that maybe MLK is not so good, but that's like our job, you know, our job is to move the ball down the field.

00:49:46.480 And so if I can take that information and put it out to a big audience and then, you know, one or two guys take that and they put it out to an even bigger audience.

00:49:53.420 I do like to think that I played a little bit of a part in that because, you know, one of these guys too, I remember was asking a mutual friend of ours for book recommendations back in 2021.

00:50:02.740 And I assembled a list that had a lot of really good titles on it, gave it to the friend, he gave it to this guy. And now all of a sudden, a couple of years later, these guys are really good on the issues.

00:50:10.480 And so it is things like that. And also it is the anxiety of, I think Americans giving them permission to explore ideas, which would have been regarded as taboo years prior.

00:50:19.640 Because as people become more anxious, I mean, naturally they're going to want to have as many options on the table as possible.

00:50:25.540 So it was a lot easier back in the 1980s or something or 1990s to control the parameters of the discussion.

00:50:30.840 But now because of that and also how democratized access to information is because of the internet, even despite the censorship, it's much more available to people now than it would have been, you know, 10, 15 years ago when you would have had to browse on some obscure form to find a lot of this stuff.

00:50:43.720 So I think it is just as we are continuing our cycle of decline, the anxieties that people are experiencing are giving them permission to put away the priority of maybe not being called mean names and actually seek the truth and seek what is real.

00:50:56.740 Yeah, it seems very strange. There's this weird moment where there's very clearly a number of conservatives or people who are supposed to be part of the new right in theory who are trying to put this thing in a box, back in a box very quickly.

00:51:14.300 Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no.

00:51:15.920 Like, obviously we can fight wokeness, but let's not look more than five years into the past.

00:51:20.900 We're not conservatives here.

00:51:22.280 And so it's very strange to watch them attempt to do that, but it's just not working the way it used to.

00:51:29.040 It feels like, you know, the kind of the days where Bill Buckley could crack the whip and the rest of the conservative commentary at Fallen Live is just gone.

00:51:37.280 And they're very panicked about this.

00:51:39.060 Yeah, well, it's because, you know, these guys, I guess we won't, I don't want to name names, but they make a living by taking what is so obvious to people

00:51:49.640 and intellectualizing it into this giant word salad and then putting it out.

00:51:54.140 And then people are like, wow, I guess this, this guy sounds pretty smart.

00:51:57.160 We should probably listen to him.

00:51:58.240 And I've, I've been retweeting this like once every three or four days, because I think it is just so true that these people exist to be like Wheatley in Portal 2,

00:52:06.180 where you've got GLaDOS, who's becoming powerful and intelligent. 0.57

00:52:09.420 And so the scientists create a robot to attach to her that just distracts her with the stupidest ideas that have ever been created, 0.91

00:52:17.800 just so that she does not become too powerful and intelligent. 0.98

00:52:20.500 That's what I believe these people exist to do, is to just occupy the volume of discussion with the stupidest ideas possible to prevent it from becoming intelligent and real. 0.96

00:52:30.080 And that's why they're paid. And that's why they exist, because no normal person would ever read one of these word salads about, you know, 0.96

00:52:37.480 the Hegelian dialectics or what have you and be like, wait a minute, this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

00:52:42.120 It's all nonsense and it's totally astroturf. 1.00

00:52:44.920 So I can only assume it is done with this sort of like engineered stupidity in mind. 1.00

00:52:50.640 Just kind of a rhetorical infinite plane to keep any, any part of the conservative hive mind from becoming self-aware. 0.99

00:52:57.200 I like it. All right, guys. Well, we're going to go ahead and pivot over to the questions of the people.

00:53:04.560 But before we do that, John, where should people check out your excellent work?

00:53:08.420 You should check out my excellent work at YouTube.com slash John Doyle, where I regularly, frequently and consistently post content.

00:53:15.580 I'm also on Twitter at Comrade Doyle. And yes, that is where you can find me.

00:53:21.100 Excellent. All right. Well, I am being attacked by a thunderstorm here, but all right.

00:53:24.620 That's really fun. Mint20 here says, what a crossover. This is a total plan truster vindication.

00:53:32.360 It's absolutely true. The plan trusters are winning. The plan not trusters and the disloyal R's are seething. 1.00

00:53:39.200 And you can't fault them for it. That's what they were designed to do. That's what they were destined to do.

00:53:43.040 And so we have to actually be sympathetic. They're sort of tragic characters.

00:53:46.340 All right. Cooper Weirdo says, you guys never know. You guys ever notice how the left is especially bad at making children, family movies, not even in a woke way.

00:53:55.800 They're just bad. I don't know, man. I feel like actually they kind of dominate that kind of media.

00:54:01.520 Unfortunately, that's kind of the main problem with Disney, right?

00:54:05.040 A lot of people are worried that the children won't have the level of discernment to identify the kind of propaganda that's being brought in front of them.

00:54:13.020 I guess they're getting worse at it because they're just getting bad at communicating classic archetypes that kind of help children grow and form their worldviews in a healthy way, their healthy relationships.

00:54:23.120 But that's kind of their point, right?

00:54:24.500 Yeah, a lot of the older ones were definitely produced with subtle messaging like that and produced by people who certainly held those politics, but they were just better quality.

00:54:34.620 So now maybe it's more obvious because they feel a need to have more representation of different identities, but it's also just the competence of the people making them has declined significantly.

00:54:45.240 We've got Lutheran James here says, a question for John.

00:54:48.940 I'm from New York City and I don't want to abandon the only home I've ever known.

00:54:52.540 My question is, what do you think blue states are, do you think blue states are worth saving?

00:54:59.780 Yeah, I'm not one of these guys that's going to tell you to go homestead in Montana and be trad or whatever.

00:55:04.880 I think that it is important, especially if that's the only home you've ever known.

00:55:08.620 I myself tend to be very sentimental.

00:55:10.420 So I live in Texas right now, but I'll return to Michigan even though it's governed by Gretchen Whitmer right now, even though it's becoming a bluer state, used to be a red and purple state.

00:55:19.060 But I do think it's important to stay where your home is, where your family is, and I don't think that retreating is a good political strategy ever.

00:55:27.760 I mean, if things start to get really bad where it's irresponsible to the safety of yourself and to those who you're responsible for to stay in those areas, then yeah, you should probably abandon them.

00:55:37.220 But if you're a young guy, you're a single guy, I mean, you could go anywhere.

00:55:39.940 That's also something I think is important, just going and planting your flag in a totally new area, a new city, just to see what happens.

00:55:45.400 But insofar as you don't want to stay in those states because you're annoyed by the politics, I might reconsider that if you've got family, you've got roots there.

00:55:53.660 Let me ask you this.

00:55:54.800 I think a lot of people are looking for a way to generate community, to generate political power, to kind of have a shared vision that's going to allow them to create a barrier between them and a lot of the stuff that's probably going to come down the federal pipeline.

00:56:10.560 You mentioned South Africa, and I know a number of Afrikaners who gather together specifically because it allows them to resist a large amount of what the central government is doing.

00:56:20.920 Do you think America is going to get to that point where the wise game would be restructuring, not because you're looking to retreat from the politics in and of themselves, but that it's necessary to concentrate if you're going to forge a common culture and a political strength?

00:56:35.620 Yeah, it absolutely could.

00:56:37.020 I just don't think that we're there yet.

00:56:38.460 I remember I had Sargon of Akkad in studio a few months ago, and we spoke about this, and I articulated exactly that.

00:56:45.420 At some point, it may actually be the responsible and smart thing to do to sort of retreat and try to build something.

00:56:51.660 And he scolded me.

00:56:52.660 He was like, no, that's the problem is you people have thought that for so long.

00:56:56.080 And I was like, wait a minute.

00:56:57.540 Weren't you just a classical liberal, and now you're going to tell me that I'm the one who's got the wrong thinking or something?

00:57:03.220 I couldn't even believe it.

00:57:04.680 But yeah, that may be necessary at some point.

00:57:06.820 But in terms of finding community, I've met a lot of great people online.

00:57:10.660 I'm in a lot of great group chats.

00:57:12.060 But I think it is important to meet people locally.

00:57:14.940 And you're probably not going to find that in the places that you would think you're going to find, like good right wing guys.

00:57:19.600 I would recommend training and marksmanship.

00:57:22.420 I would recommend joining some sort of MMA gym, doing some sort of combat sport.

00:57:26.260 Because we meet guys involved in those activities who are more or less center right.

00:57:30.420 In the gun community, there's a lot of like lulberts you're going to have to be wary of. 0.94

00:57:34.380 But once you sort of transcend your proficiency and become less of just like, oh, my pew pews, my shooty shoot, and actually start training like small unit tactics, more advanced things like that.

00:57:43.940 The people who just want to LARP and like talk about my freedom go away pretty quickly.

00:57:47.640 So anything like that, normal male activities, don't overthink it, be normal.

00:57:52.040 You're cool, you're well adjusted, just be normal, and you'll meet like-minded guys.

00:57:56.060 And maybe you can even, you know, take them down the rabbit hole with you.

00:57:59.340 Absolutely.

00:58:00.400 All right.

00:58:02.000 Adorable Representative MC for youth says, what can I do if I get, I think it's keyed there?

00:58:09.620 Oh, no, if I got the jab.

00:58:12.660 Oh, okay.

00:58:14.180 That's what that is.

00:58:14.960 All right.

00:58:15.160 Nothing.

00:58:15.940 It's over.

00:58:17.180 You can't do anything.

00:58:18.360 It's just over.

00:58:19.000 No good.

00:58:19.300 No good, man.

00:58:20.660 Let's see.

00:58:21.060 Chip has sailed.

00:58:22.280 Kruber Weirdo says, no, you don't get it.

00:58:25.000 The literally me guy is the bad guy.

00:58:27.280 Why don't you understand that?

00:58:28.780 Yeah.

00:58:29.120 I mean, again, I think that there's, like John said, value in being able to look at those leftist pieces where they accidentally produce someone who's good and based.

00:58:39.160 And even if they're attempting to cast them as the villain, you can still kind of find some value in analyzing that.

00:58:47.320 But there is a problem inherently when you're having to do all of your cultural identity through someone else's lens.

00:58:54.540 It's always going to be a messy game.

00:58:56.020 Yeah, I saw great tweets about Rorschach from The Watchman that was like, what was it like? 0.93

00:59:02.640 Stinky schizophrenic man thinks that killing people is bad. 0.98

00:59:06.180 You like him because you're not smart enough to understand that killing millions of people is actually ethically justified. 0.99

00:59:12.560 It was like went on for several paragraphs.

00:59:13.940 But it was sort of funny because Alan Moore, I guess, wrote Rorschach to be like a caricature of like right wing people. 0.98

00:59:20.300 And he was supposed to be stupid and his values were actually inconducive to saving the world or whatever. 0.72

00:59:25.820 But I guess history has kind of indicated that position since, you know, the Cold War panic didn't really live up to the expectation at the time. 0.98

00:59:32.320 So, yeah, things like that Rorschach, the keep your rifle by your side song from Far Cry 5.

00:59:36.700 Every time they try to make a piece of media that's like making fun of right wing people, it's almost like we were starving for it and they just made it for us.

00:59:43.100 And so we're like, oh, thanks.

00:59:43.960 This is awesome.

00:59:45.500 Yeah, that itself is a dangerous game.

00:59:47.380 But it is funny how often that happens.

00:59:49.520 Also, you know, Alan Moore probably shouldn't be talking about morality, but that's an entirely different discussion.

00:59:55.600 Let's see.

00:59:56.440 Thuggo says, are these companies suffering from the fact that universities only churn out identity Marxists?

01:00:02.840 I mean, yeah, that's certainly part of the problem, right?

01:00:05.400 But the workforce that they could even hire from is itself already steeped in this ideology.

01:00:12.200 It's already been selected for these characteristics and their lack of, you know, IQ and other things.

01:00:18.240 And so that's all going to get filtered down into those corporations.

01:00:21.560 And there's a chicken and egg question, you know, is it are they hiring these people because that's the only thing that's available from the universities?

01:00:29.320 Are they selecting from these people because are these people from the universities because that's what they want?

01:00:33.820 And the universities continue to train that.

01:00:35.860 I tend to think that it's university first before it gets to the college.

01:00:40.200 But other people have other opinions about that flow of causality.

01:00:45.380 See here.

01:00:46.180 Glow in the Dark says, imagine a Marxist lying about their intentions.

01:00:49.680 Yes.

01:00:51.060 Who's ever seen that before?

01:00:53.200 Thursday says, obligatory.

01:00:55.620 How about them cowboys?

01:00:56.940 All love trusts the plan.

01:00:58.220 Yeah, it was.

01:00:58.760 It was enjoyable watching the cowboys kind of explode.

01:01:02.540 Yeah, well, that's there.

01:01:03.560 That's what they do.

01:01:04.220 The Lions, though, are doing great.

01:01:05.780 You know, I'm like I'm totally a nomad.

01:01:07.540 I'll support whatever team I have to, depending on my jurisdiction.

01:01:10.340 But yeah, the Lions are killing it right now.

01:01:12.440 So I take no offense to that.

01:01:14.940 We've got John Galt here with just a super chat.

01:01:17.100 And then he follows up with, do you guys want to have children need some skin in the game in the future?

01:01:22.700 Yep.

01:01:23.040 Family is absolutely essential, guys.

01:01:25.380 That's that's really all there is to it.

01:01:26.800 You can't can't really value the future unless you have a stake in it real.

01:01:31.400 All right, guys, well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:01:34.660 But, John, thank you once again for coming on.

01:01:37.260 It's been great talking to you guys.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - January 15, 2024

Disney's Epic Implosion ｜ Guest： John Doyle ｜ 1⧸15⧸24

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