The Auron MacIntyre Show - French Riots： Immigration and Conflict ｜ Guest： Morgoth ｜ 7⧸7⧸23

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00:00:38.560 So I'm sure that many of you saw kind of the madness in France last week.

00:00:44.360 Big riots going on there.

00:00:46.560 Lots of fire.

00:00:47.680 A good bit of violence.

00:00:49.180 A lot of talk about civil war in many cases.

00:00:52.680 Now, some of that has calmed down.

00:00:54.440 And that's one of the reasons it's nice to do these streams a little later.

00:00:57.440 Not always have to be on top of the news cycle.

00:00:59.080 We can take a little bit of a zoomed out view.

00:01:02.180 A little bit of a better take.

00:01:03.860 And bring you, hopefully, a little bit of insight into what actually happened.

00:01:08.180 What are the tensions?

00:01:09.600 What's the story behind this?

00:01:11.160 And joining me today to talk about that is Morgoth.

00:01:13.740 Hello again.

00:01:15.800 Thanks for having me back on, Aaron.

00:01:18.040 Absolutely.

00:01:18.560 Always a pleasure, sir.

00:01:19.860 So I think a lot of people look at France.

00:01:22.740 And I know you said you were in France for a little bit.

00:01:25.940 I actually got to visit for the first time last year.

00:01:29.300 And I only spent a day or two there.

00:01:31.820 So I didn't really get to know the place very well.

00:01:34.940 But I know a lot of people look at France and they say, oh, another riot.

00:01:39.180 That's what the French do, right? 0.99

00:01:40.300 It's Tuesday.

00:01:41.600 You know, Americans fire off fireworks.

00:01:44.300 You know, the French riot.

00:01:45.400 This is just how it is.

00:01:46.920 Is this just another bit of civil unrest from the French?

00:01:50.400 Or does this riot feel different to you?

00:01:52.700 Well, when I was in Belgium in 2005, there was something similar when Sarkozy was president.

00:02:02.480 And I think I would separate because the French do riot a lot. 1.00

00:02:06.160 But I would separate it because this isn't really overtly political.

00:02:11.480 I think there's people on all sides want to sort of hammer it into a political narrative,

00:02:16.640 whether in France it would be the nationalists or in the wider kind of neoliberal Anglosphere.

00:02:24.860 They want their own agenda put into there, a sort of make it a sort of George Floyd.

00:02:30.220 But I think the reality of it is down on the ground level in France

00:02:36.160 is that they've got these huge populations,

00:02:40.160 which they're having a very, very difficult time living with and integrating with.

00:02:47.400 And so what happens is, I mean, just the specifics were a 17-year-old called Nahal M

00:02:56.460 was pulled over.

00:02:58.560 Now, you have to be 18 to drive a car in France, so he shouldn't have been driving a car.

00:03:02.540 And then, depending on your interpretation, he was shot at any rate.

00:03:08.340 So somebody will say it was another police brutality.

00:03:12.900 Other people are saying, well, he clearly tried to get away in a car,

00:03:16.860 which he shouldn't have been driving.

00:03:18.460 And he had a complete disregard for the safety of the police.

00:03:22.180 So it's one of those things where it becomes highly political immediately.

00:03:27.240 But then I think the backdrop to the riots themselves, or if you've got –

00:03:34.240 I've heard the quote that there was 100,000 to 200,000 rioters on the streets of France

00:03:40.760 by Pierre Bruchard, who was a former security chief in France.

00:03:48.560 And how that works will be the social media apps.

00:03:51.760 It used to be on BlackBerry.

00:03:53.540 Maybe now it will be WhatsApp or whatever they're using in France, Facebook or whatever.

00:04:00.260 And then it will be within that demographic who then go out and go crazy.

00:04:07.140 And then it catches on in other city centres across France.

00:04:11.540 I mean, one thing I would say is that it looks really terrible.

00:04:14.840 It is, but France is very – Paris dominates France in a way that it tends not to be in other countries.

00:04:24.360 So, like, if you were in the rural – most of the people are going to be in rural France,

00:04:31.180 and it wouldn't be too bad there.

00:04:33.100 But if you have a look at the demographics of France, for example,

00:04:36.540 in the cities you'll see these huge spikes, like you do everywhere.

00:04:40.560 But in France, Paris is particularly massive.

00:04:44.540 And in the French context, this is important because basically the French just shipped in these populations from North Africa

00:04:53.040 and then housed them in these ghettos, which they call the Banelous. 0.88

00:04:57.880 Obviously, my French is the best, but that's what they did. 1.00

00:05:02.600 And so when there's a spark, it's a Tinder – it's a Tinder box.

00:05:08.180 And when you get the spark, it goes up, and it goes up very, very quickly, as we saw.

00:05:14.920 Yeah, I think it's interesting.

00:05:16.840 So, obviously, I don't want to spend a lot of time rehashing the kind of the shooting itself.

00:05:21.860 I mean, if you want to, you can actually watch the video online.

00:05:24.740 It's not particularly gruesome because it's only from kind of outside the car,

00:05:29.060 so you don't really see anything, so people can kind of decide for themselves whether or not they want to watch that.

00:05:34.520 I don't want to show it here on YouTube because I'm just not sure about kind of how they're handling that.

00:05:38.620 But you can see the police officer.

00:05:40.020 He's got the gun drawn up to the car, and then the car obviously starts pulling away

00:05:45.900 while the police officer is still trying to talk to the driver.

00:05:50.740 Obviously, they're kind of heading towards the police a bit, but then the gun just discharges.

00:05:56.180 Again, you can kind of draw your own conclusions there.

00:05:59.860 Either way, obviously, none of this justifies burning down.

00:06:03.660 I saw some of the statistics, 1,000 buildings, 6,000 cars, just a mass of looting, rioting.

00:06:12.080 And I think the thing that kind of caught a lot of people's eye initially was just kind of the level of weaponry

00:06:17.760 that was brought to a lot of this.

00:06:19.520 It's AK-47 spraying bullets in a country that's supposed to have, of course, complete gun control, basically.

00:06:26.240 RPG fired off somewhere.

00:06:29.280 I think people were surprised about kind of how quickly that tension exploded

00:06:34.640 and became something that looked more akin to building-to-building warfare

00:06:39.460 than necessarily just some people marching, holding up signs, that kind of thing.

00:06:44.300 Yeah, very quickly.

00:06:47.640 And it kind of did look similar to the George Floyd, the summer of Floyd is what I liked.

00:06:55.300 But I don't think it had the institutional backing.

00:06:58.400 It didn't have these mega corporations coming out.

00:07:01.760 And I think this is actually something which is different in France.

00:07:06.180 It's kind of like my own take on it.

00:07:08.380 But if you take a step back and you look at France, France has always been a bit more aloof

00:07:17.460 and sealed off from the wider kind of American project.

00:07:23.240 It was outside of NATO.

00:07:26.720 I think it still may be, actually.

00:07:28.160 But even into the 90s, there was policies in place in France to kind of protect native French culture and food.

00:07:39.040 And employment and just generally the French way of life, specifically against Americanisation.

00:07:47.260 And this is why the Disneyland Paris was seen as this massive defeat by people in France.

00:07:52.980 And this has all been chipped away at over time.

00:07:56.120 But what I think is interesting when you get something like this is that in many ways, France has had to deal with the mass immigration and the multiculturalism on its own terms.

00:08:09.560 And kind of a little bit separated from, for example, in the summer of Floyd, like immediately people in Britain and England started pulling down statues and doing all of this.

00:08:23.960 And they did it in Holland as well.

00:08:25.620 But it's also the case that in France, you'll have a much lower level of people who are watching English speaking news stations and things like this.

00:08:35.580 And I think what that's resulted in is that France struggles with a wider sort of meta-narrative for the multiculturalism.

00:08:48.960 Or it's sort of centred within itself.

00:08:52.680 So it has its own logic, which is different from the rest of the Anglosphere, let's say, or to the other European countries who are much more used to speaking or watching things in English.

00:09:05.740 And so France is doing things on its own terms.

00:09:10.400 And that means that when something like this goes up, they're doing kind of multiculturalism, but the hard way, where there's not really a way for them to smooth off the rough edges and do all of this kind of spin.

00:09:27.320 Because of the nature of the French constitution and the French Republic and just the way it is.

00:09:33.160 So when it goes up in France, you tend to get it raw.

00:09:39.000 You tend to see it exactly for what it is without all this spin doctors and PR and sort of specially edited news clips.

00:09:52.300 So in France, you'll get it raw and unfiltered and uncut what the actual reality is.

00:09:57.900 Yeah, it's very interesting that France has really, in some ways, kind of rejected multiculturalism.

00:10:06.720 They've really attempted to have kind of this very specific form of assimilation.

00:10:12.080 Obviously, you know, some of the pieces of France and their history kind of make this an interesting approach.

00:10:18.940 Obviously, not a fan of public religion.

00:10:22.200 And so attempting to kind of ban religious symbols, including, of course, Islamic symbols in public.

00:10:28.260 The banning of, as I understand it, like the collection of demographic information is basically banned.

00:10:36.300 They're not allowed to ask the different residents about their demographic information.

00:10:41.240 They don't keep those kind of statistics and you don't so you don't kind of have this dialectic about about race kind of the same way you might have in a place like the United States, which, you know, in theory is supposed to unify them, is supposed to kind of turn these people into Frenchmen because there is no distinction.

00:10:59.720 But like you said, what happens instead is it feels like there's this kind of bubbling underneath.

00:11:05.160 You're not directly talking about it.

00:11:07.860 You're not you don't have those kind of narratives circulating through the media on a constant basis.

00:11:13.460 And so when everything hits the fan, it hits it pretty forcefully.

00:11:17.040 I mean, I guess we before we get too deep into that, though, what are all these people doing in France?

00:11:24.240 I mean, we understand that there has been a mass migration.

00:11:27.020 We understand that there's there's economics involved.

00:11:32.080 But a lot of people who are kind of talking over there will say, oh, well, you know, this is revenge for Algeria. 0.53

00:11:39.240 This is where you colonized us and we're colonizing you now. 0.99

00:11:43.440 What's kind of the relationship between France and North Africa?

00:11:47.220 Well, basically, the French Harlan Empire, just like many European countries did, theirs was mainly theirs in the area.

00:11:55.880 They had parts of Canada originally as well and America even.

00:11:59.340 But mainly the French were busy in Africa and North Africa, which is what what this is related to.

00:12:07.540 And of course, when you actually dig in a little bit, a quick search on Wikipedia will will reveal that the reason why the French invaded and occupied North Africa to begin with was because they wanted to snuff out the Barbary pirate problem, which was plaguing the Mediterranean for a long, long time.

00:12:25.360 And so they finally decided we've had the French occupation of North Africa wasn't initially this kind of, well, we're going to create an empire.

00:12:35.520 It was more of a consolidation of power across the Mediterranean so that if on the North African coast, which which countries like Spain have been doing for a long time, of course, throughout history, when Europe was strong, they essentially colonized North Africa and controlled its ports more as a way to protect the Mediterranean coastlines of Europe.

00:12:59.520 Because the Barbary pirates were just carrying off Europeans willy nilly.

00:13:04.520 Of course, this is inconvenient for the narrative that we get today, because then it becomes, well, they were just out to plunder resources and rip them all off.

00:13:16.420 And so you then get into this really painful and complicated relationship that the French ended up having with North Africa and Algeria in particular.

00:13:27.420 And it's made even more complicated because of the endless revolutions and wars and the horse trading that had to go on.

00:13:35.440 And so eventually the French left, the age of empires was over, essentially, and the French tried to leave in 1962.

00:13:46.800 And this is where you come into the problem of the weird nature of the French constitution, because a lot of the people in, not all of them, they had a struggle with the Algerian nationalists.

00:13:59.860 But there was a lot of people in there who were more sympathetic, like safari Jews and many of the Arabs who had been on the side of the French regime.

00:14:10.520 So for a while, there was this more or less free movement between the two countries.

00:14:16.140 And essentially, the French were giving their client groups rites of passage into France.

00:14:21.900 But it all gets very bureaucratic and very sort of messy until eventually you end up with hundreds of thousands or millions of people who have actually moved into France itself.

00:14:33.740 And once there, you know, there's a lot of hypocrisy.

00:14:38.140 There's none of this makes sense because they're trying to do their best with a terrible system that they had, which was the French liberalism, where everybody is a citizen.

00:14:49.680 And they still managed to give some groups a pass, or they'd still have to give special dispensations for political expediency to this or that group to allow them into France.

00:15:04.220 So there was all of these loopholes.

00:15:06.500 But in theory, it was because everybody was just a citizen of France, even if they were in North Africa.

00:15:12.000 Another problem they had, of course, would be generations of ethnic French people who would also live or been living all their lives on the North African continent, in North Africa, on the African continent. 0.97

00:15:27.000 And they needed to come back to France. 0.74

00:15:28.460 So they needed to be given French citizenship back, essentially.

00:15:33.560 But then, again, you get into this problem.

00:15:35.580 How do we, if everybody's just a citizen, then how do we actually distinguish without breaking the rules here?

00:15:40.880 So there's all of these, all of this chaos ensued.

00:15:44.540 And this is kind of where, how you end up with so many people from that part of the world in France itself.

00:15:52.400 Yeah, I don't know if you know this, but the first war America had after, obviously, the Revolutionary War was against the Barbary pirates, was going over there and creating a navy so they could fight them off after they were press-ganging all these Americans who were also in the waters over there.

00:16:10.880 Yeah, it's just a quick point on the side, is that during the 1800s, sort of the Victorian era, it's like our more Eurocentric view of these things would be that Europe, from Napoleon, you also had a couple of wars here and there with Prussia, Germany forming the Crimea War.

00:16:33.900 But by and large, it's seen as being this long era of peace, this long summer of peace, which is, except for a few wars here and there, is kind of true, and it was all obviously going to end with World War I. 0.69

00:16:46.500 But what you do notice is that out on the periphery, all of these European powers were consolidating power and sealing the borders.

00:16:56.800 So they were very active outside of Europe itself, and the theatre in North Africa would be a good example of that, I'd say.

00:17:03.740 So, like you said, one of the – sorry, there's very loud outside there for a moment.

00:17:12.000 So one of the problems that they're really facing is kind of the approach to this, because what you have is a large group of people who are now inside of France, 0.98

00:17:22.620 who explicitly do not want to kind of convert to the French way of life.

00:17:28.320 We talk a lot about the idea of multiculturalism, and one of the things that many people on the right, especially in America, say is,

00:17:35.240 well, you can really take on as many immigrants as you want as long as they assimilate, right?

00:17:39.260 That's the big thing, as long as they have the cultural assimilation. 0.89

00:17:42.740 But what we're seeing in France is that specifically these people do not want to culturally assimilate.

00:17:48.000 They don't want to be French. They don't want to give up their ethnic or religious identities.

00:17:53.700 They're kind of anti-liberal in kind of the oldest style, that they do not want to be culturally absorbed.

00:18:00.520 And because of that, there's a myriad of different problems that come about.

00:18:05.300 But the first one is obviously this tension that is always existing when it comes to the police.

00:18:10.200 I mean, one of the reasons that the police are so jumpy and one of the reasons they feel the latitude to just kind of stop anybody

00:18:15.840 and shoot if they think it's necessary is because of the amount of terrorism in France, right?

00:18:20.940 Recently, we just had a Syrian immigrant stab four babies in a park. 1.00

00:18:26.920 There's an understandable reason why there's this constant tension and why the police feel

00:18:31.800 and have been given the latitude to take these actions.

00:18:34.960 Their concern is not unfounded.

00:18:36.660 Yes, some of the worst terrorist atrocities in Europe, I would say most of them have taken place in France in the last 20 or so years.

00:18:48.320 The worst one was the theatre.

00:18:51.800 It came out later that the French security source, I can't remember what the theatre was actually called now,

00:18:58.680 because it begins with a B, maybe somebody in the chat knows.

00:19:01.940 But it turned out that there was all kinds of things went on in, it was like a hostage situation that lasted for 18 hours or something.

00:19:10.180 But there were things that went on in there, which I'm not going to get into.

00:19:14.820 But it was a bit more gruesome than just a situation like that.

00:19:20.960 And it was actually truly something barbaric and sadistic.

00:19:26.480 But what this is, is like sort of the legacy of France, where France is in this almost permanent state of emergency and terror,

00:19:36.500 dealing with all of these people that they've got.

00:19:38.500 I mean, I remember, I mean, of course, another element to this is like France also has a very much burgeoning and popular and powerful nationalist bloc,

00:19:52.980 which has risen largely in opposition to this.

00:19:56.380 I was in, I was sitting in a Belgian cafe in 2002 when Le Pen senior almost won the French election.

00:20:04.620 But then you get into the rigged game with the French political system,

00:20:09.180 where all of the other parties will close ranks against what was then the National Front.

00:20:15.340 And Le Pen, unlike Marine Le Pen, John Marie Le Pen was pretty much just an out and out fascist.

00:20:23.400 Like if you look at his Wikipedia page, he was very much of the old school France sort of nationalist scene of like the 1930s.

00:20:33.900 And unapologetically.

00:20:35.980 So I think he's still alive.

00:20:38.160 But it was strange at the time because it was seen as it wasn't expected.

00:20:43.140 It was it was it was it was I don't think the establishment had the safeguards in place at that point.

00:20:49.420 But ever since then, it's been this this struggle session where the National Front are constantly watering down their platform and their policies in order to appeal to the centre.

00:21:01.000 But the system closes ranks and they're kept out of power for year after year after year.

00:21:06.260 And the strangely, though, in the last election last year, you had Zomua, who was this sort of Parisian intellectual who actually flanked them from the right.

00:21:21.160 He was more right wing than the National Front was and split the vote.

00:21:26.980 So so they got they got kept out again.

00:21:29.860 And what this means, of course, is that you have just a pure globalist stuck in the centre, neoliberal like Macron, who is constantly fending off the populist sentiment because of the increasing chaos of France.

00:21:44.900 I mean, they had 40,000 police on the streets over the last week or so.

00:21:54.460 You saw like armored vehicles and everything.

00:21:58.420 And it's it's it's a thoroughly depressing situation that there's there's the reason why I brought up the nationalist insurgency is because there is a huge amount of will in the country to get rid of it.

00:22:10.200 But it's blocked by higher powers.

00:22:11.840 So speaking of Macron, it's really interesting, I guess, how different people have reacted to this.

00:22:18.560 Obviously, he was kind of laughable at the beginning of this.

00:22:22.320 He blamed it on video games.

00:22:25.580 He said that that was the problem.

00:22:27.740 He then went to like an Elton John concert in the middle of these riots.

00:22:31.760 So there's there's certainly the let them eat cake. 0.70

00:22:34.800 But you can think of the same thing when he comes to the American riots and all of in the pandemic and kind of everything that happened there, all these different Gavin Newsom and other politicians kind of actively just partying while everyone else was locked down or watching kind of their businesses burn.

00:22:50.780 But it's this in constant insistence on it has to be something else.

00:22:57.200 Right.

00:22:57.440 It has to be about he blamed bad parenting skills.

00:23:01.100 He blamed video games, starting to see articles coming out, even from, you know, outlets that are theoretically trying to pretend to be right wing, talking about how these are bread riots.

00:23:12.640 It's just just doing anything to avoid talking about where this conflict actually comes from, where this tension is actually generated.

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00:23:52.440 Yeah, I mean, I've actually got a couple of quotes by Macron.

00:23:56.220 In 2017, President Emmanuel Macron described France's colonization of Algeria as a crime against humanity.

00:24:04.100 He also said it's truly barbarous and it's part of a past that we need to confront by apologizing to those against whom we committed these acts.

00:24:14.940 Polls following his remarks reflected a decrease in his support.

00:24:18.980 And then in January 2021, when he was getting close out of an election that's worth putting in, Macron stated there would be no repentance,

00:24:27.840 no apologies for the French colonization of Algeria.

00:24:31.820 So it was pretty much just the exact opposite.

00:24:34.280 Colonial abuses or French involvement during the Algerian independence war.

00:24:38.680 Instead, efforts would be devoted to reconciliation.

00:24:41.160 And what you see here is that I think that this is how they're going to start and sort of hammer France where they've already begun. 0.99

00:24:52.160 But you'll notice that across Europe, there's always a way, there's always a kind of excuse to side with the other, let's just put it that way, against the Europeans and then against the European nations.

00:25:07.360 I mean, in Britain, it's an obvious one.

00:25:10.240 We had the biggest empire of them all.

00:25:12.420 So then it's like, you see this is what you touched on before, is that what this instills in the immigrant population is a sort of sense of that, well, we want revenge and everything can be justified because you went there. 0.97

00:25:28.200 Now we are here.

00:25:29.620 I mean, even Ireland, who never had any foreign colonies whatsoever, they get their own sort of version of this, which is that, well, you've always been a nation of emigrants.

00:25:41.680 You've went and you went to Australia, you went to America and your millions.

00:25:46.580 So therefore, how can you like complain about other people coming into your country?

00:25:52.540 But what I really take issue with is this sort of, this sophistry where you went there and now we are here, because that's been dripped into the migrant population. 1.00

00:26:07.600 They may feel aggrieved, but it's Western power centers and media, especially in America, I would say, who like to do this, who like to play this game.

00:26:17.840 And what always gets me is that a lot of the time with the sort of progressive liberals in the Anglosphere, you're dealing with the most materialistic, the most atheistic people that's ever lived.

00:26:32.880 And yet there's still, there's talk in terms of karma.

00:26:36.000 Well, we shouldn't, there's this kind of karmic force at play in the universe, which means that because you colonize this country and now they are coming back, that it's karma, it's retribution.

00:26:49.980 And it's like, with some sort of implied cosmic justice at play, which is sick, because you know, they don't believe in any of this.

00:27:01.000 You know, they don't believe in religion.

00:27:02.820 They don't believe in metaphysical forces or anything of the kind.

00:27:06.520 Yet all of a sudden they do.

00:27:08.300 All of a sudden, when these atrocities are committed on the streets of France or whatever, you see it on Twitter where they're coming out and they're saying, well, this is, it's coming full circle.

00:27:19.040 They're essentially siding with the people doing it.

00:27:23.640 Yeah, it's fascinating that all these European countries are simultaneously propositional nations that have no native population, but also all of them have a thousand years of blood guilt for being colonial powers simultaneously.

00:27:39.040 You kind of have to pick one or the other, but it seems, I guess, that you don't.

00:27:42.520 The only interest is really in attacking and whatever narrative is close to hand seems to be just fine.

00:27:50.320 But I guess the question becomes then, you know, when you're looking at these, you can talk about economic disparity.

00:27:58.080 You can talk about, you know, obviously many of these neighborhoods are not great.

00:28:02.040 But I actually learned, I didn't really know this, that in France, the ghettos are kind of the suburbs, like it's the outside ring of the city, the suburban areas that are actually where kind of these ethnic ghettos often exist, which is kind of the opposite of the American situation.

00:28:19.320 And so when things like, you know, when oil prices go up, when gas prices go up, or when public transit, long trains go down, it's those populations that end up, you know, often not having the ability to go to work, those kind of things.

00:28:35.800 So obviously, like, yeah, you're going to have kind of a certain level of disproportionate economic impact.

00:28:45.540 But if you're constantly kind of telling people that they have this right to take over, that there's this right of revenge for colonization and history, then anytime there's any of this, you know, even the smallest thing, like, you know, obviously, you know, kid getting shot is no small thing here.

00:29:06.000 But, you know, even the, any basic interaction is always charged with that history is always charged with that conflict. And it seems to constantly be pushed down on purpose by many people in power.

00:29:19.980 Yes, especially because when you, when you play around with that game, and you're, it's no longer about African Americans, but actually, say, Arabs, you're really playing with fire, because they've, they've got, I know we're on YouTube, but essentially, there is, there is an Islamic interpretation. 0.63

00:29:45.780 There is an Islamic culture, and they have, they are, they have got a lot of agency, they've got a lot of money behind them in a lot of cases.

00:29:53.120 And they're, they're, they're, they're organized, and they have their own view.

00:29:58.080 And so they then see this kind of mad, progressive guilt trip as, as just, as just the, the, the chickens opening up their own coop, because they, they are going to feel aggrieved, of course, about something like the French occupation of Algeria, but were on their own terms.

00:30:15.960 And according to their own, and according to their own, and their own, their own sort of folk memory and cultural memory, which is something completely separate from what Western liberal progressives think. 0.98

00:30:28.100 So in this case, the Western liberal progressives genuinely are like useful idiots for another force. 0.93

00:30:34.500 This is much more acute when you're dealing with countries such as France or Spain, who are just across the Mediterranean from all of these places in North Africa, which, which all, which have all got these sort of thriving Islamic cultures and populations. 0.98

00:30:51.280 Because what you're doing is, is, is, is, is they're, they're, they're, they're sort of on the front lines and in, in, in a different way.

00:30:59.160 They're rubbing up another, against another civilization entirely.

00:31:03.800 Rob, but if you're talking about a crime in Chicago or something, it's a little bit different because it's completely contained.

00:31:11.700 It's, it's completely sort of in the, the, the very heartlands of Western hegemony.

00:31:16.360 But if you're going to play with that game, when you're on a, on a, a nation, which is, which literally has another civilization just across the water, you're really playing with fire.

00:31:25.820 It's a really dangerous situation to get in because they're observing all of this and taking notes.

00:31:32.000 Yeah.

00:31:32.500 And that's really, I think what this says so much about the failure of the liberal project, right?

00:31:37.760 This was supposed to be the end of history.

00:31:39.980 We were supposed to be able to homogenize all these cultures.

00:31:42.940 We were supposed to remove all of these differences you know, you didn't need to have this kind of conflict anymore.

00:31:49.400 Liberal democracy was the, the dominant political force that that question had been solved.

00:31:55.920 And so the only thing that would come next is the, the economic prosperity in these things.

00:32:00.500 But what we're seeing is when, if we acknowledge that the clash of civilizations isn't over and that actually people will just move into your civilization and specifically, you know, choose not to assimilate just so they can take advantage of their, of the economic benefits that you now provide, but in no way choose to, you know, to, to assimilate.

00:32:21.820 Then the liberal project is kind of over, right?

00:32:24.620 Like there, there is no more pretending that this can be done.

00:32:28.900 And I think you have a very difficult time with people just kind of admitting that truth, even though, again, the population in many ways that has moved into France will tell you specifically that they have no interest in doing this.

00:32:43.160 I mean, in, in a lot of ways, funny enough, they're fighting back against some of the woke stuff in France, right?

00:32:48.480 Like they, they don't, they don't approve of LGBTQ, you know, plus, uh, lifestyles, you know, they don't want this stuff. 1.00

00:32:55.660 They, they don't, they don't like feminism, you know, they don't like many of these things that are, I guess, for better or for worse now, part of French culture. 0.96

00:33:03.340 Uh, but, but it's the Islamic population that they have no interest in assimilating to this and they're going to continue to, to provide that tension no matter what. 1.00

00:33:12.900 And by pretending that at some point you're going to find a way to just, uh, have them adopt the kind of the French ethos, the, the French, uh, uh, morality, the, the French ideal around these things, that's just clearly not happening.

00:33:27.600 And it feels like there's just no, there's no solution for France because they've committed themselves down a path that makes them just kind of completely blind themselves to this reality.

00:33:39.480 But they're also not going to kind of just stop this influx and the, in, in, in this, uh, failed assimilation.

00:33:46.320 Yeah.

00:33:46.900 I mean, yeah, the, where all of this came together in France was when France banned the, the headscarf and the burger. 0.74

00:33:54.400 And I remember, um, when, when that happened, because you had, so people in the Guardian, you know, people from London and Chelsea, or probably from, uh, where, wherever, New York or whatever.

00:34:07.180 And they were all outraged by this because they, they saw that as France, uh, lurching to the far right and, and sort of abusing a minority population.

00:34:17.180 And the, the response from the French was like, it's really not like we're really trying to uphold secular liberal values here in the face of a religious civilization, which is now moving into our borders. 0.57

00:34:30.020 And, and, and, and, and the, the, the, the sort of the liberal response to that was to, was to a feminist argument. 0.97

00:34:38.020 They, they were saying that, um, it's, it's bullying women.

00:34:42.120 You don't have the right to tell women how, like the French state doesn't have the right to tell women what to wear.

00:34:49.420 And, and, and, and if anything, the liberal argument could have at least been, well, we are saving them from the, the Islamic patriarchy. 0.94

00:34:57.560 But all of these narratives just kind of, it, it, it, it was as if they were using the wrong weapon for the wrong situation, the wrong, the wrong war.

00:35:06.280 It just didn't, it just didn't make any sense whatsoever.

00:35:08.620 But the upshot of it was, was that the, the kind of the Western liberal progressive that you'll find in, in London or New York was busy, like stabbing in the back and actual liberal regime standing up for liberal secular values and, and siding with the, the, the other, um, because they just didn't understand what was going on or because they're just purely nihilist.

00:35:33.840 And, um, you know, they, they, they, they just want to watch it all burn, but at any case, when the, the, when those men in France are firing, uh, AK-47s and rocket launchers, and they're screaming Alwa Akbar, they're not doing it in the name of, of like Fukuyama and social justice values.

00:35:52.560 They're not doing it in the name of, um, BLM or, or the rainbow flag.

00:35:58.320 Like they're doing it on their own terms.

00:36:00.520 They've got their own ideas and their own agency.

00:36:03.120 Yeah.

00:36:04.620 Now you recently did a video, uh, talking about kind of a juvenileian power analysis.

00:36:11.820 And of course I'm, I'm a big fan of Bertrand de Juvenal.

00:36:14.800 I think on power is one of the most important books.

00:36:17.360 If you want to understand how political power works and you brought up the point that, you know, uh, juvenile, uh, the juvenile brings up, uh, repeatedly, which is that power needs to find people in the periphery to dislodge the middle.

00:36:33.220 This is the, the classic high and low versus middle conflict.

00:36:37.220 Uh, if you're, if you're a sovereign who's trying to secure power, you need to collapse competing spheres of authority, which means displacing, uh, those who had been in power previously.

00:36:48.940 And the best way to do that is kind of with a new underclass, a new population. 0.92

00:36:53.660 We see this all the way Roman emperors do this, all kinds of people do this.

00:36:58.080 They want to get rid of the middle aristocracy. 0.97

00:37:00.720 They want to get rid of the established powers that are kind of holding back their centralized, uh, you know, kind of top authority.

00:37:08.260 And so what do they do?

00:37:09.860 They bring in, uh, they, they, they offer rights to, they offer benefits to another population, a newer population that doesn't have roots in the area.

00:37:19.480 Uh, and that allows them to kind of displace, uh, the already entrenched interests that were kind of holding back their centralized power.

00:37:27.360 So we can see how this works.

00:37:29.640 I mean, the, the Democrats in America just say this directly.

00:37:32.460 It's like, Hey, we're just going to leave the borders open.

00:37:34.700 And eventually these people are just going to, there's going to be too many of them and they're going to vote you out.

00:37:38.320 Like the Republicans will just never win another election because we'll, we'll transform the country and there's nothing you can do about it.

00:37:44.860 We understand how, how democracy works.

00:37:47.220 If we don't like our current, uh, voting base, we, we just bring in a new one.

00:37:50.600 Uh, and that'll allow us to kind of centralize power by getting rid of all those middle Americans, um, you know, 1.00

00:37:56.540 or, or making sure that they lose political power.

00:37:59.360 Uh, interestingly here in France though, it seems like we might be in a situation where if that was in some way, part of the plan, power might've overplayed its hand because they can't control in many ways.

00:38:11.200 Uh, the, uh, pop that population, that population isn't interested in assimilating at all.

00:38:17.180 And so they've created a situation where kind of that, uh, that, uh, brought in underclass that brought in immigrant class, uh, actually just has,

00:38:26.300 is more interested in displacing the top of the power than it is necessarily in, in being used.

00:38:31.720 But I don't know.

00:38:32.140 What do you think there?

00:38:33.280 Yeah, I, I think, I think there's certainly elements of that, but what they've actually found is that their client group is because of the, the sort of the,

00:38:41.340 the strong connection straight back to North Africa, um, and, and the, the, with Islam, they've actually discovered that their client group is a, is a rival castle.

00:38:51.440 Uh, and, and, and this, this, this becomes the problem of, okay, so how do we actually deal with this problem where we thought it would maybe be this,

00:39:02.560 we could create a, a situation maybe like in America where the progressives take, take over the cause of, of, uh, black, black rights and, um, equality in legislation and civil rights.

00:39:15.760 But, but what they've actually realized is that what they've, what they've, what they've ushered in is, is like a rival castle.

00:39:23.600 And this is what they're struggling to contain and deal with.

00:39:26.920 Um, and, and, and, I mean, a lot of people were talking about the response to the riots and I've got a little bit of sympathy for them because when you're talking about 10 to 15% of your population,

00:39:39.560 it's, it's, it's all very well to go on Twitter and, uh, give a lot of hot takes about, well, just send them the army and crack them down.

00:39:46.680 But when you're talking about the majority population in your major cities, that's, that's going to be, that's going to end up being a bloodbath. 0.99

00:39:55.340 Now you, you, like, there's no happy outcomes to that.

00:39:59.640 On the other hand, the, the, the counter to that would be, well, what are you going to do?

00:40:04.140 Have this, have this situation where they can just set up, set the, the prime real estate in your urban capitals, your urban centers can just be torched whenever they, they feel aggrieved.

00:40:16.040 Yeah, this is the tightrope that they're walking.

00:40:18.040 This is the mess that they've got themselves in.

00:40:20.620 Um, and, and, I, I don't really know how they can get out of it because even if you got somebody like, um, the national front in, then there, they will be more likely to use force.

00:40:33.740 But then that opens up all of our kinds of problems when you look at the, just the scale of the populations involved.

00:40:40.960 Yeah.

00:40:41.480 And I guess, uh, the French elites wouldn't be the first, the first, uh, uh, nation leaders to, uh, you know, bring in a new population and then find themselves actually, uh, you know, the lost that deal.

00:40:55.080 Right.

00:40:55.380 Again, same thing kind of happened, uh, with the Romans.

00:40:57.900 And so we'll, we'll just bring in this one group to fight this other group and kind of shore up our, our borders.

00:41:03.300 And actually now that that group runs the show, uh, so they, they wouldn't be the first elite class to, to kind of have, uh, to lose this hubris.

00:41:11.520 I guess my point is for a lot of people who might be watching here, just remember that none of this is new, right?

00:41:16.640 These power dynamics have existed.

00:41:18.660 It, you know, uh, the, the, the notes might be different in France, but the song is, is the same, uh, that, uh, you know, power works this way, uh, that throughout many thousands and thousands of years of history, uh, many elites have tried to create client classes and, and, uh, use them in this similar way.

00:41:37.060 And found out that they couldn't, you know, they couldn't control them or they, they weren't going to get what they wanted out of them.

00:41:42.540 Uh, so just, you know, remember that there, there are, uh, precedents for this kind of stuff and this is not particularly unique.

00:41:49.660 I mean, it's interesting when you look at the wider context of the European union, because France is a country, which again, it goes back to what I was saying at the beginning where, um, the European union, if the French had their way,

00:42:05.040 that would have itself become a rival castle to what they would see as, um, the Anglo-American alliance.

00:42:12.260 And there's a whole history behind that the way, um, originally the French just didn't want the, the, the UK in the European union whatsoever.

00:42:22.420 And a lot of them were probably quite happy when we left or officially, officially we left anyway, a few years ago, because they saw that as being American influence creeping into the European union by the back door.

00:42:35.040 Which, which, which, which I think they were right about as well.

00:42:37.760 And so the idea would be where the French using the Germans, the, the sort of the, the cooked Germans as a kind of golem would, would be to lauded over all of Europe via the European union itself. 0.85

00:42:50.380 And part and parcel of that was bullying, um, and harassing countries to the east, that they, they were too conservative.

00:43:00.280 They weren't taking in their fair share because of the complicated way that the refugees get dispersed around the European union.

00:43:07.780 And obviously Hungary being a famous example, but what came out this week was quite amusing because Poland had actually, um, some policy in place where there was going to be hundreds of thousands of visas given out to people in the third world.

00:43:23.640 Um, and there was a backlash, um, and then they had just canceled after what happened in France, as the French cities were burning, they just canceled it.

00:43:32.140 So that won't be going ahead anymore.

00:43:33.980 And, and, and, and it's, it's kind of like a ridiculous situation where someone like Poland or Hungary gets lectured to by France on the need to become multicultural on the need to open up the borders.

00:43:48.280 And then they are sitting, I mean, there was things going around the Polish, the actual Polish, uh, home office.

00:43:55.620 I think it was released like a little video on social media where you saw France with all of the buildings on fire.

00:44:02.860 It was just like a war zone.

00:44:04.160 And then you saw like Warsaw and it was just these happy couples shopping.

00:44:09.180 And, uh, it was a nice sunny day.

00:44:11.680 They had like Chopin playing and everything.

00:44:14.280 Like, and, and, and, and it is a problem though, because what, what exactly is the pitch here?

00:44:20.440 Like if, if your, if your capital city, uh, if your major city centers are burning to the ground and you've got 40,000 soldiers, uh, what exactly is like, what is the argument that everybody else should replicate that somehow?

00:44:36.400 Um, and, and it's, it's, it's, it becomes quite farcical.

00:44:39.860 It becomes the exact opposite of, well, for whatever reason, however you got there, for whatever the reason was why this triggered or how they organize it or whatever, you've got countries to the East who are just going to think we, we just don't want that.

00:44:56.120 We don't want to deal with all of those issues, all of the issues about, uh, well, colonization or what, what did the, what, what is the policy of cops stopping 17 year old Algerian kids and cars and all of this, all of this stuff.

00:45:13.440 Some of these countries just don't have to deal with, and yet they're constantly, even sanctioned in the case of Hungary, sanctioned because they, they oppose all this.

00:45:23.220 And I just, I find it to be quite ridiculous, to be honest.

00:45:27.440 Yeah. 0.80

00:45:27.860 You can really see some of them saying, Hey, we don't have to live like this.

00:45:30.980 This is, you know, but, but yeah, it is, it is amazing that I know, I know that despite all of this, you know, all the pictures of France, all the, all the footage, all of the things.

00:45:42.720 As soon as this fades from memory in a week or two, we're going to have people making the exact same arguments over again.

00:45:48.420 It's, it's, this isn't going to get, you know, tap the brakes for a minute.

00:45:51.440 It's still going to be that the solution to every social ill is mass, mass immigration that simultaneously. 0.93

00:45:57.280 It's the only thing that will solve things like birth rate, private problems or labor shortages, but it also is, uh, you know, something that you morally have to do because, uh, all of your ancestors were evil and, you know, you, you owe it to the, to the world because everybody's.

00:46:12.720 Is actually just a war refugee somewhere.

00:46:15.440 The, the fact that we keep seeing this kind of conflict, like you're saying that these people in, in many countries who are trying to make decisions about this, we'll, we'll say, uh, maybe, maybe I don't want to be in this situation.

00:46:27.940 But, uh, again, the pressure won't, doesn't seem to relent.

00:46:32.360 Uh, it seems to be that over and over again, the same arguments are made and, and without any hesitation to just pretend like that this cost doesn't exist.

00:46:40.900 Like, uh, it doesn't keep showing itself over and over again.

00:46:44.820 Uh, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because a lot of the people, um, in the British scene were sort of saying, you're okay, like things are bad here, but why, why does this not happen?

00:46:56.360 Because it doesn't, it happened, we did have some huge riots, um, for a similar reason, the cops shot some, uh, drug dealer about 10 years ago.

00:47:06.040 And there was, there was, there was a sort of a summer of Floyd moment, but again, it wasn't, it didn't have the backing of all of these institutions.

00:47:14.120 Like in America, it sort of caught the British establishment off guard.

00:47:18.220 And it was after that, that we began to see the appearance of the nudge departments and the mind bending PR stuff.

00:47:24.840 Um, uh, and, and to be honest, when, if, if it's the, the reason why it does this, we don't see this kind of thing happening in Britain.

00:47:33.860 It's not a win.

00:47:34.900 It's actually worse.

00:47:35.840 And I think it's because the police have been trained to be so soft in those situations that the tinderbox is never going to be lighted up.

00:47:45.520 So, so the, the French are actually trying to uphold a more or less liberal society where there's law.

00:47:54.180 Everybody is the same under the law.

00:47:56.000 And if you do this, uh, regardless of your background or all of this, we're going to, we're going to have to react.

00:48:02.380 We're not going to, I mean, if one of the things the French police do is also just beat people up on the streets, but they will, they, they'll beat up these right as, but if you have a look at the yellow vest protests, if you have a look at the anti-vax, uh, the COVID stuff, they were also beating up all of the, the, the white native French people as well.

00:48:21.760 So that's, that's, they are like egalitarian.

00:48:24.320 They'll just beat everybody up.

00:48:26.060 But, um, in, in Britain, it would be much more specific.

00:48:29.940 They, they are, they have been told that if you pull this, uh, this person, uh, well, okay, you know, nobody, the guardian isn't going to cry.

00:48:42.200 But if it's this other group, then don't just be very, very careful.

00:48:47.240 There's all of these policies, there's all of these laws.

00:48:49.160 And so when you don't have that, so, so, so in a way the Britain doesn't get riots or chaos like this because we're even more cooked because the, the, the, the, the, the situation just wouldn't be allowed to get that far in the first place because the police have been told essentially to just give up, give in, just, just give them, just be, treat them with kid gloves.

00:49:11.060 Yeah, it's so weird here in America because we have something kind of similar happening.

00:49:16.900 Uh, you know, it's, it's different because our states are governed differently.

00:49:21.140 There, there's more local control here.

00:49:22.820 And so things can have a high degree of variance, but in, in a lot of areas throughout the United States, police are specifically being told, we just don't police that neighborhood.

00:49:31.200 We just don't, we don't go there.

00:49:32.860 Uh, we don't do this.

00:49:34.160 Uh, we don't apply the law to these people.

00:49:36.360 Um, so, uh, you know, because you're, you're just going to lose your career if you're caught in a, in, in a, you know, bad moment on a, on a cell phone or something.

00:49:43.500 So we, we just don't respond to that call now.

00:49:45.600 We just pretend it didn't, didn't happen.

00:49:47.480 And of course we're seeing, uh, crime skyrocket in a, in a lot of those areas.

00:49:51.640 And again, as always, you know, unfortunately many of the, the, the, uh, biggest victims are those who live in those areas and now have no police at all.

00:50:00.880 Now basically have no law enforcement because any attempt to enforce the law will just end the careers or create a riot.

00:50:07.380 And so now there, there, there's just a huge spike in crime in specifically and concentrated in those neighborhoods because they're unpoliced.

00:50:15.900 But simultaneously we have this situation where there's an explicit, almost kind of racial law about like who gets prosecuted, especially places like New York at the Daniel Penny situation where he, you know, he's on the subway and he tries to defend people on the subway.

00:50:29.880 And he faces serious charges.

00:50:32.080 Uh, another guy who, who happened to be, you know, black defense himself on the subway, uh, in a similar situation actually had, had a, a, a believable legal knife on him at the time.

00:50:41.900 And he just walks because, well, I mean, everyone knows why.

00:50:45.540 Right.

00:50:45.840 And so we're, we're in this situation where simultaneously our cops are being told be, be softer, uh, you know, don't, don't engage in certain communities, in certain interactions, respond to certain calls because, uh, they could just spark this stuff.

00:51:00.320 And then we're seeing an explosion in violence in those communities, uh, that sometimes spills out into others.

00:51:05.400 Uh, but then also we see, you know, in, in forces in situations where people are interacting, uh, there's just a, some DAs that have a clear racial bias and will just punish people simply due to their skin color.

00:51:17.340 Yeah. And, and, and you can see if, if we give the, the, the, the French, the benefit of the doubt that even when they haven't actually brought in all of these politically correct policies and embedded it within the police, 0.61

00:51:32.900 you can see that it still isn't really a solution. So, so I saw there was this, uh, is he like a liberal commentator, Michael Tracy, and he would, he was making this point that essentially, um, everybody is equal under the law in France.

00:51:47.700 And, and he, he was kind of defending the makeup, the, the constitutional makeup of France. And I thought, but yeah, but that, that's also the, the whole problem is that like, if the best that you, if the, when you, if let's just get to say, for example,

00:52:02.900 that the French are fair, that it is, they are trying to uphold their, their liberal democracy. I mean, you know, it says a lot that they're on their fifth Republic and apparently a majority of the people want to move on to number six quite quickly because it's not working.

00:52:20.180 But nevertheless, even if we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're trying to do this or with the minimum of political correctness, it's, it's, and just where you, everybody is equal.

00:52:30.780 Everybody has this, it's egalitarianism. It's all of us. It still doesn't work because people just aren't the same.

00:52:37.120 You, you can, you can give everybody a stamp or a passport to say, well, you are all French citizens because you'll see that they, there's people coming out on social media and saying, well, the, the, the far right are going to town on this.

00:52:51.720 But like 90% of the people arrested were French because, well, okay, but that's, that's what you mean is that they've got French citizenship.

00:53:01.360 But the whole problem that started this off is the fact that, that we have these divisions.

00:53:08.220 So, so, so what that means is that the way you're looking at this doesn't work because it doesn't accurately describe the situation.

00:53:16.180 And calling the people who are, like, pointing out that there are these divisions here, calling them, like, sort of trolls or the fascists or whatever it is, that doesn't really solve the problem.

00:53:29.700 France is still in flames at the end of the day.

00:53:32.120 And it's in flames precisely because having a stamp, having a piece of paper isn't enough.

00:53:38.480 It isn't enough to have a bunch of man-made laws imposed on a population, then expect the population to just sort of, as if that's going to produce the population.

00:53:50.460 We've got these, these, these constitutional rights.

00:53:53.700 We've got this, these laws in place and everybody is treated the same under the law, but your country still burns because it doesn't accurately, it isn't an accurate description of how human beings actually are.

00:54:05.860 So, yeah, peoples make constitutions, constitutions don't make peoples.

00:54:11.980 And yes, exactly.

00:54:13.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:14.460 Yeah, I think that's a lesson that everyone's getting to learn in, in real time.

00:54:19.740 All right.

00:54:20.060 So we've got some questions stacking up over here.

00:54:23.040 Before we go to the questions of the people, is there anything that we didn't get to that you wanted to talk about and where can people find your work?

00:54:29.720 And Morgoth's review on Substack and on YouTube.

00:54:34.040 I mean, the only thing to sort of hammer the point home on a lot of this was that just in Britain a few weeks ago, we also had an African migrant murdered a couple of, a couple of students, a male and a female on the street.

00:54:49.760 And then there was a bit of a thing about the parents come out and they have to give this statement.

00:54:57.500 But when they give the statement, it's always along the lines of don't look back in anger, don't give in to hate, don't sort of wrap a political narrative around this.

00:55:08.300 Whereas when you saw, I think it was the grandmother of, of the, the, the kid who died in France, it was all hellfire and retribution and bloody revolution and all, I won't rest until this is all overturned.

00:55:21.500 It was just the complete opposite.

00:55:24.140 And that, that, that says all about this stuff when it happens, like, like there was no, there was no cities burning.

00:55:32.880 I know it's an easy kind of cliched point by now, but just to say like, well, when, when those babies got stabbed, um, there was not all of this riot.

00:55:42.440 And, and here again, you see the difference in populations, just in that, just in these, just in the reactions, it tells you that one part of the population is completely oppressed and the other isn't.

00:55:55.440 Yeah.

00:55:55.920 I'll, I'll, I'll never forget.

00:55:57.160 There was a kid in America, uh, Canon Hennett is like a five-year-old and he got a shot in the face, um, by a, uh, black guy and, uh, and, uh, immediately his, like they interviewed his mother and, uh, the, the, someone had decided to yell out that he had been a racist and like he had said something racist.

00:56:18.320 And that's why he got shot as if that would have been some kind of justification.

00:56:22.380 And the, uh, the mother's first response was, uh, the first mother's first response was not like my child got killed.

00:56:29.180 This is horrific.

00:56:30.200 It was my child wasn't a racist.

00:56:32.240 That was the most important thing to reiterate, not the horrific act that had happened, but that your child was not a racist.

00:56:39.460 I remember, I remember your video on that.

00:56:41.540 I remember you were incensed by that.

00:56:43.500 Yeah.

00:56:44.460 Yeah.

00:56:44.900 That one, that one got me.

00:56:45.980 All right.

00:56:46.380 So let's go ahead and switch over to our questions here real quick.

00:56:50.380 Uh, I do not know.

00:56:52.800 I have no hope of pronouncing that correctly, so I won't even try, but thank you very much for your donation there.

00:56:58.440 Uh, North, uh, FC riots win.

00:57:02.420 Uh, it's, it's, it's directed at me.

00:57:04.880 There's a meme that goes around in Britain where fun, cause I'm from the North, uh, and they pronounce it North and there's like a big kind of gumman type geezer, uh, with a football.

00:57:15.960 It's like, it's supposed to be like this meme football club in the North, North FC riots when probably not anytime soon because the, the nudge units will tell people just to wave candles or whatever.

00:57:28.760 Holy crap. 0.92

00:57:31.320 All right. 0.99

00:57:32.320 Uh, narco Republican for $5.

00:57:34.840 The book, the true aspects of the Algerian rebellion, 1957 documents the terrible atrocities Algerians committed during the war.

00:57:42.460 It's very dark.

00:57:44.200 Uh, yeah, I gotta be honest, narco Republican. 0.99

00:57:46.320 I'm just not super familiar, familiar with that section of history.

00:57:50.500 Uh, so, um, I would be interested to learn more.

00:57:53.360 That's good to know that that's a good source, but, uh, I can't say that I can speak with a lot of authority on that particular aspect of history there.

00:58:02.460 No, me neither.

00:58:04.000 Yeah.

00:58:04.280 Uh, Sergeant Hodel for $20.

00:58:07.160 Thank you very much.

00:58:08.300 Uh, when I started reading Morgoth's Substack not too long ago, I got a feeling reminiscent of playing Grand Theft Auto 3 for the first time as a youngster.

00:58:15.280 Funny how DR content is an affront to boomerism similar to GTA in the 2000s.

00:58:22.280 Um, an interesting analogy, to be sure, uh, but I'm sure that, uh, you mean that, uh, the high quality of, uh, GTA 3 must match, uh, Morgoth's Substack there.

00:58:35.300 Yeah, I don't, I don't understand the reference.

00:58:37.700 I know that it's a video game, but I don't, uh, I'm too old.

00:58:41.380 I'm too old for to get all that reference.

00:58:43.400 We may be too boomer for the boomer joke at this point.

00:58:46.160 Yeah, no, we may be the joke at this point.

00:58:48.240 I'm not sure.

00:58:48.800 I played Grand Theft Auto 3 a little bit.

00:58:52.780 I remember that, but it's been a long time.

00:58:54.020 Yeah, I saw my brother playing it, but I mean, yeah, I mean, I spent the day cutting, I spent the day harvesting cabbage leaves.

00:59:00.640 That's how much of it, that's my day.

00:59:04.220 Like Cincinnati's before you.

00:59:06.260 Uh, all right, uh, let's see.

00:59:07.960 Mellon here for $2.

00:59:09.240 Oh, what really happened to Notre Dame?

00:59:11.560 Yeah, of course, uh, that is a huge aspect as well.

00:59:15.040 A number of churches and historical, uh, you know, uh, areas have burned in France.

00:59:21.640 Many people suspect, um, very likely, uh, that there are religious, um, uh, reasons for that.

00:59:28.660 Uh, but obviously it's, uh, in the interest of attempting to keep, I guess, some level of civil, uh, unrest down, uh, that they don't investigate those things.

00:59:38.240 And so we don't really hear about what actually happened to those very often.

00:59:43.820 Yeah, I'd agree.

00:59:45.200 Again, like with the Bataclan massacre, thanks in the chat for pointing that out.

00:59:49.460 But even a place like France, they, the, the, they've got their own deep state and it's got lots of secrets for, for, for the greater good, uh, of the society they've created.

01:00:01.520 Yep, absolutely.

01:00:02.860 All right, guys.

01:00:03.740 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap that up.

01:00:05.780 That looks like we got to all of our questions.

01:00:07.740 I want to thank everybody for coming by.

01:00:10.840 And of course, thank Morgoth.

01:00:12.320 Once again, always a fantastic time talking with him.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 07, 2023

French Riots： Immigration and Conflict ｜ Guest： Morgoth ｜ 7⧸7⧸23

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