In this episode, I'm joined by former French security chief and author of the book "Riots in France: What's the deal with the French Riots? " to discuss the recent wave of anti-police violence in the streets of France, including the death of a 17-year-old who was pulled over for a traffic violation.
00:07:28.160But even into the 90s, there was policies in place in France to kind of protect native French culture and food.
00:07:39.040And employment and just generally the French way of life, specifically against Americanisation.
00:07:47.260And this is why the Disneyland Paris was seen as this massive defeat by people in France.
00:07:52.980And this has all been chipped away at over time.
00:07:56.120But what I think is interesting when you get something like this is that in many ways, France has had to deal with the mass immigration and the multiculturalism on its own terms.
00:08:09.560And kind of a little bit separated from, for example, in the summer of Floyd, like immediately people in Britain and England started pulling down statues and doing all of this.
00:08:25.620But it's also the case that in France, you'll have a much lower level of people who are watching English speaking news stations and things like this.
00:08:35.580And I think what that's resulted in is that France struggles with a wider sort of meta-narrative for the multiculturalism.
00:08:48.960Or it's sort of centred within itself.
00:08:52.680So it has its own logic, which is different from the rest of the Anglosphere, let's say, or to the other European countries who are much more used to speaking or watching things in English.
00:09:05.740And so France is doing things on its own terms.
00:09:10.400And that means that when something like this goes up, they're doing kind of multiculturalism, but the hard way, where there's not really a way for them to smooth off the rough edges and do all of this kind of spin.
00:09:27.320Because of the nature of the French constitution and the French Republic and just the way it is.
00:09:33.160So when it goes up in France, you tend to get it raw.
00:09:39.000You tend to see it exactly for what it is without all this spin doctors and PR and sort of specially edited news clips.
00:09:52.300So in France, you'll get it raw and unfiltered and uncut what the actual reality is.
00:09:57.900Yeah, it's very interesting that France has really, in some ways, kind of rejected multiculturalism.
00:10:06.720They've really attempted to have kind of this very specific form of assimilation.
00:10:12.080Obviously, you know, some of the pieces of France and their history kind of make this an interesting approach.
00:10:18.940Obviously, not a fan of public religion.
00:10:22.200And so attempting to kind of ban religious symbols, including, of course, Islamic symbols in public.
00:10:28.260The banning of, as I understand it, like the collection of demographic information is basically banned.
00:10:36.300They're not allowed to ask the different residents about their demographic information.
00:10:41.240They don't keep those kind of statistics and you don't so you don't kind of have this dialectic about about race kind of the same way you might have in a place like the United States, which, you know, in theory is supposed to unify them, is supposed to kind of turn these people into Frenchmen because there is no distinction.
00:10:59.720But like you said, what happens instead is it feels like there's this kind of bubbling underneath.
00:11:07.860You're not you don't have those kind of narratives circulating through the media on a constant basis.
00:11:13.460And so when everything hits the fan, it hits it pretty forcefully.
00:11:17.040I mean, I guess we before we get too deep into that, though, what are all these people doing in France?
00:11:24.240I mean, we understand that there has been a mass migration.
00:11:27.020We understand that there's there's economics involved.
00:11:32.080But a lot of people who are kind of talking over there will say, oh, well, you know, this is revenge for Algeria.
00:11:39.240This is where you colonized us and we're colonizing you now.
00:11:43.440What's kind of the relationship between France and North Africa?
00:11:47.220Well, basically, the French Harlan Empire, just like many European countries did, theirs was mainly theirs in the area.
00:11:55.880They had parts of Canada originally as well and America even.
00:11:59.340But mainly the French were busy in Africa and North Africa, which is what what this is related to.
00:12:07.540And of course, when you actually dig in a little bit, a quick search on Wikipedia will will reveal that the reason why the French invaded and occupied North Africa to begin with was because they wanted to snuff out the Barbary pirate problem, which was plaguing the Mediterranean for a long, long time.
00:12:25.360And so they finally decided we've had the French occupation of North Africa wasn't initially this kind of, well, we're going to create an empire.
00:12:35.520It was more of a consolidation of power across the Mediterranean so that if on the North African coast, which which countries like Spain have been doing for a long time, of course, throughout history, when Europe was strong, they essentially colonized North Africa and controlled its ports more as a way to protect the Mediterranean coastlines of Europe.
00:12:59.520Because the Barbary pirates were just carrying off Europeans willy nilly.
00:13:04.520Of course, this is inconvenient for the narrative that we get today, because then it becomes, well, they were just out to plunder resources and rip them all off.
00:13:16.420And so you then get into this really painful and complicated relationship that the French ended up having with North Africa and Algeria in particular.
00:13:27.420And it's made even more complicated because of the endless revolutions and wars and the horse trading that had to go on.
00:13:35.440And so eventually the French left, the age of empires was over, essentially, and the French tried to leave in 1962.
00:13:46.800And this is where you come into the problem of the weird nature of the French constitution, because a lot of the people in, not all of them, they had a struggle with the Algerian nationalists.
00:13:59.860But there was a lot of people in there who were more sympathetic, like safari Jews and many of the Arabs who had been on the side of the French regime.
00:14:10.520So for a while, there was this more or less free movement between the two countries.
00:14:16.140And essentially, the French were giving their client groups rites of passage into France.
00:14:21.900But it all gets very bureaucratic and very sort of messy until eventually you end up with hundreds of thousands or millions of people who have actually moved into France itself.
00:14:33.740And once there, you know, there's a lot of hypocrisy.
00:14:38.140There's none of this makes sense because they're trying to do their best with a terrible system that they had, which was the French liberalism, where everybody is a citizen.
00:14:49.680And they still managed to give some groups a pass, or they'd still have to give special dispensations for political expediency to this or that group to allow them into France.
00:15:06.500But in theory, it was because everybody was just a citizen of France, even if they were in North Africa.
00:15:12.000Another problem they had, of course, would be generations of ethnic French people who would also live or been living all their lives on the North African continent, in North Africa, on the African continent.
00:15:27.000And they needed to come back to France.
00:15:28.460So they needed to be given French citizenship back, essentially.
00:15:33.560But then, again, you get into this problem.
00:15:35.580How do we, if everybody's just a citizen, then how do we actually distinguish without breaking the rules here?
00:15:40.880So there's all of these, all of this chaos ensued.
00:15:44.540And this is kind of where, how you end up with so many people from that part of the world in France itself.
00:15:52.400Yeah, I don't know if you know this, but the first war America had after, obviously, the Revolutionary War was against the Barbary pirates, was going over there and creating a navy so they could fight them off after they were press-ganging all these Americans who were also in the waters over there.
00:16:10.880Yeah, it's just a quick point on the side, is that during the 1800s, sort of the Victorian era, it's like our more Eurocentric view of these things would be that Europe, from Napoleon, you also had a couple of wars here and there with Prussia, Germany forming the Crimea War.
00:16:33.900But by and large, it's seen as being this long era of peace, this long summer of peace, which is, except for a few wars here and there, is kind of true, and it was all obviously going to end with World War I.
00:16:46.500But what you do notice is that out on the periphery, all of these European powers were consolidating power and sealing the borders.
00:16:56.800So they were very active outside of Europe itself, and the theatre in North Africa would be a good example of that, I'd say.
00:17:03.740So, like you said, one of the – sorry, there's very loud outside there for a moment.
00:17:12.000So one of the problems that they're really facing is kind of the approach to this, because what you have is a large group of people who are now inside of France,
00:17:22.620who explicitly do not want to kind of convert to the French way of life.
00:17:28.320We talk a lot about the idea of multiculturalism, and one of the things that many people on the right, especially in America, say is,
00:17:35.240well, you can really take on as many immigrants as you want as long as they assimilate, right?
00:17:39.260That's the big thing, as long as they have the cultural assimilation.
00:17:42.740But what we're seeing in France is that specifically these people do not want to culturally assimilate.
00:17:48.000They don't want to be French. They don't want to give up their ethnic or religious identities.
00:17:53.700They're kind of anti-liberal in kind of the oldest style, that they do not want to be culturally absorbed.
00:18:00.520And because of that, there's a myriad of different problems that come about.
00:18:05.300But the first one is obviously this tension that is always existing when it comes to the police.
00:18:10.200I mean, one of the reasons that the police are so jumpy and one of the reasons they feel the latitude to just kind of stop anybody
00:18:15.840and shoot if they think it's necessary is because of the amount of terrorism in France, right?
00:18:20.940Recently, we just had a Syrian immigrant stab four babies in a park.
00:18:26.920There's an understandable reason why there's this constant tension and why the police feel
00:18:31.800and have been given the latitude to take these actions.
00:18:51.800It came out later that the French security source, I can't remember what the theatre was actually called now,
00:18:58.680because it begins with a B, maybe somebody in the chat knows.
00:19:01.940But it turned out that there was all kinds of things went on in, it was like a hostage situation that lasted for 18 hours or something.
00:19:10.180But there were things that went on in there, which I'm not going to get into.
00:19:14.820But it was a bit more gruesome than just a situation like that.
00:19:20.960And it was actually truly something barbaric and sadistic.
00:19:26.480But what this is, is like sort of the legacy of France, where France is in this almost permanent state of emergency and terror,
00:19:36.500dealing with all of these people that they've got.
00:19:38.500I mean, I remember, I mean, of course, another element to this is like France also has a very much burgeoning and popular and powerful nationalist bloc,
00:19:52.980which has risen largely in opposition to this.
00:19:56.380I was in, I was sitting in a Belgian cafe in 2002 when Le Pen senior almost won the French election.
00:20:04.620But then you get into the rigged game with the French political system,
00:20:09.180where all of the other parties will close ranks against what was then the National Front.
00:20:15.340And Le Pen, unlike Marine Le Pen, John Marie Le Pen was pretty much just an out and out fascist.
00:20:23.400Like if you look at his Wikipedia page, he was very much of the old school France sort of nationalist scene of like the 1930s.
00:20:38.160But it was strange at the time because it was seen as it wasn't expected.
00:20:43.140It was it was it was it was I don't think the establishment had the safeguards in place at that point.
00:20:49.420But ever since then, it's been this this struggle session where the National Front are constantly watering down their platform and their policies in order to appeal to the centre.
00:21:01.000But the system closes ranks and they're kept out of power for year after year after year.
00:21:06.260And the strangely, though, in the last election last year, you had Zomua, who was this sort of Parisian intellectual who actually flanked them from the right.
00:21:21.160He was more right wing than the National Front was and split the vote.
00:21:26.980So so they got they got kept out again.
00:21:29.860And what this means, of course, is that you have just a pure globalist stuck in the centre, neoliberal like Macron, who is constantly fending off the populist sentiment because of the increasing chaos of France.
00:21:44.900I mean, they had 40,000 police on the streets over the last week or so.
00:21:54.460You saw like armored vehicles and everything.
00:21:58.420And it's it's it's a thoroughly depressing situation that there's there's the reason why I brought up the nationalist insurgency is because there is a huge amount of will in the country to get rid of it.
00:22:27.740He then went to like an Elton John concert in the middle of these riots.
00:22:31.760So there's there's certainly the let them eat cake.
00:22:34.800But you can think of the same thing when he comes to the American riots and all of in the pandemic and kind of everything that happened there, all these different Gavin Newsom and other politicians kind of actively just partying while everyone else was locked down or watching kind of their businesses burn.
00:22:50.780But it's this in constant insistence on it has to be something else.
00:22:57.440It has to be about he blamed bad parenting skills.
00:23:01.100He blamed video games, starting to see articles coming out, even from, you know, outlets that are theoretically trying to pretend to be right wing, talking about how these are bread riots.
00:23:12.640It's just just doing anything to avoid talking about where this conflict actually comes from, where this tension is actually generated.
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00:23:52.440Yeah, I mean, I've actually got a couple of quotes by Macron.
00:23:56.220In 2017, President Emmanuel Macron described France's colonization of Algeria as a crime against humanity.
00:24:04.100He also said it's truly barbarous and it's part of a past that we need to confront by apologizing to those against whom we committed these acts.
00:24:14.940Polls following his remarks reflected a decrease in his support.
00:24:18.980And then in January 2021, when he was getting close out of an election that's worth putting in, Macron stated there would be no repentance,
00:24:27.840no apologies for the French colonization of Algeria.
00:24:31.820So it was pretty much just the exact opposite.
00:24:34.280Colonial abuses or French involvement during the Algerian independence war.
00:24:38.680Instead, efforts would be devoted to reconciliation.
00:24:41.160And what you see here is that I think that this is how they're going to start and sort of hammer France where they've already begun.
00:24:52.160But you'll notice that across Europe, there's always a way, there's always a kind of excuse to side with the other, let's just put it that way, against the Europeans and then against the European nations.
00:25:07.360I mean, in Britain, it's an obvious one.
00:25:10.240We had the biggest empire of them all.
00:25:12.420So then it's like, you see this is what you touched on before, is that what this instills in the immigrant population is a sort of sense of that, well, we want revenge and everything can be justified because you went there.
00:25:29.620I mean, even Ireland, who never had any foreign colonies whatsoever, they get their own sort of version of this, which is that, well, you've always been a nation of emigrants.
00:25:41.680You've went and you went to Australia, you went to America and your millions.
00:25:46.580So therefore, how can you like complain about other people coming into your country?
00:25:52.540But what I really take issue with is this sort of, this sophistry where you went there and now we are here, because that's been dripped into the migrant population.
00:26:07.600They may feel aggrieved, but it's Western power centers and media, especially in America, I would say, who like to do this, who like to play this game.
00:26:17.840And what always gets me is that a lot of the time with the sort of progressive liberals in the Anglosphere, you're dealing with the most materialistic, the most atheistic people that's ever lived.
00:26:32.880And yet there's still, there's talk in terms of karma.
00:26:36.000Well, we shouldn't, there's this kind of karmic force at play in the universe, which means that because you colonize this country and now they are coming back, that it's karma, it's retribution.
00:26:49.980And it's like, with some sort of implied cosmic justice at play, which is sick, because you know, they don't believe in any of this.
00:27:01.000You know, they don't believe in religion.
00:27:02.820They don't believe in metaphysical forces or anything of the kind.
00:27:08.300All of a sudden, when these atrocities are committed on the streets of France or whatever, you see it on Twitter where they're coming out and they're saying, well, this is, it's coming full circle.
00:27:19.040They're essentially siding with the people doing it.
00:27:23.640Yeah, it's fascinating that all these European countries are simultaneously propositional nations that have no native population, but also all of them have a thousand years of blood guilt for being colonial powers simultaneously.
00:27:39.040You kind of have to pick one or the other, but it seems, I guess, that you don't.
00:27:42.520The only interest is really in attacking and whatever narrative is close to hand seems to be just fine.
00:27:50.320But I guess the question becomes then, you know, when you're looking at these, you can talk about economic disparity.
00:27:58.080You can talk about, you know, obviously many of these neighborhoods are not great.
00:28:02.040But I actually learned, I didn't really know this, that in France, the ghettos are kind of the suburbs, like it's the outside ring of the city, the suburban areas that are actually where kind of these ethnic ghettos often exist, which is kind of the opposite of the American situation.
00:28:19.320And so when things like, you know, when oil prices go up, when gas prices go up, or when public transit, long trains go down, it's those populations that end up, you know, often not having the ability to go to work, those kind of things.
00:28:35.800So obviously, like, yeah, you're going to have kind of a certain level of disproportionate economic impact.
00:28:45.540But if you're constantly kind of telling people that they have this right to take over, that there's this right of revenge for colonization and history, then anytime there's any of this, you know, even the smallest thing, like, you know, obviously, you know, kid getting shot is no small thing here.
00:29:06.000But, you know, even the, any basic interaction is always charged with that history is always charged with that conflict. And it seems to constantly be pushed down on purpose by many people in power.
00:29:19.980Yes, especially because when you, when you play around with that game, and you're, it's no longer about African Americans, but actually, say, Arabs, you're really playing with fire, because they've, they've got, I know we're on YouTube, but essentially, there is, there is an Islamic interpretation.
00:29:45.780There is an Islamic culture, and they have, they are, they have got a lot of agency, they've got a lot of money behind them in a lot of cases.
00:29:53.120And they're, they're, they're, they're organized, and they have their own view.
00:29:58.080And so they then see this kind of mad, progressive guilt trip as, as just, as just the, the, the chickens opening up their own coop, because they, they are going to feel aggrieved, of course, about something like the French occupation of Algeria, but were on their own terms.
00:30:15.960And according to their own, and according to their own, and their own, their own sort of folk memory and cultural memory, which is something completely separate from what Western liberal progressives think.
00:30:28.100So in this case, the Western liberal progressives genuinely are like useful idiots for another force.
00:30:34.500This is much more acute when you're dealing with countries such as France or Spain, who are just across the Mediterranean from all of these places in North Africa, which, which all, which have all got these sort of thriving Islamic cultures and populations.
00:30:51.280Because what you're doing is, is, is, is, is they're, they're, they're, they're sort of on the front lines and in, in, in a different way.
00:30:59.160They're rubbing up another, against another civilization entirely.
00:31:03.800Rob, but if you're talking about a crime in Chicago or something, it's a little bit different because it's completely contained.
00:31:11.700It's, it's completely sort of in the, the, the very heartlands of Western hegemony.
00:31:16.360But if you're going to play with that game, when you're on a, on a, a nation, which is, which literally has another civilization just across the water, you're really playing with fire.
00:31:25.820It's a really dangerous situation to get in because they're observing all of this and taking notes.
00:31:32.500And that's really, I think what this says so much about the failure of the liberal project, right?
00:31:37.760This was supposed to be the end of history.
00:31:39.980We were supposed to be able to homogenize all these cultures.
00:31:42.940We were supposed to remove all of these differences you know, you didn't need to have this kind of conflict anymore.
00:31:49.400Liberal democracy was the, the dominant political force that that question had been solved.
00:31:55.920And so the only thing that would come next is the, the economic prosperity in these things.
00:32:00.500But what we're seeing is when, if we acknowledge that the clash of civilizations isn't over and that actually people will just move into your civilization and specifically, you know, choose not to assimilate just so they can take advantage of their, of the economic benefits that you now provide, but in no way choose to, you know, to, to assimilate.
00:32:21.820Then the liberal project is kind of over, right?
00:32:24.620Like there, there is no more pretending that this can be done.
00:32:28.900And I think you have a very difficult time with people just kind of admitting that truth, even though, again, the population in many ways that has moved into France will tell you specifically that they have no interest in doing this.
00:32:43.160I mean, in, in a lot of ways, funny enough, they're fighting back against some of the woke stuff in France, right?
00:32:48.480Like they, they don't, they don't approve of LGBTQ, you know, plus, uh, lifestyles, you know, they don't want this stuff.
00:32:55.660They, they don't, they don't like feminism, you know, they don't like many of these things that are, I guess, for better or for worse now, part of French culture.
00:33:03.340Uh, but, but it's the Islamic population that they have no interest in assimilating to this and they're going to continue to, to provide that tension no matter what.
00:33:12.900And by pretending that at some point you're going to find a way to just, uh, have them adopt the kind of the French ethos, the, the French, uh, uh, morality, the, the French ideal around these things, that's just clearly not happening.
00:33:27.600And it feels like there's just no, there's no solution for France because they've committed themselves down a path that makes them just kind of completely blind themselves to this reality.
00:33:39.480But they're also not going to kind of just stop this influx and the, in, in, in this, uh, failed assimilation.
00:33:46.900I mean, yeah, the, where all of this came together in France was when France banned the, the headscarf and the burger.
00:33:54.400And I remember, um, when, when that happened, because you had, so people in the Guardian, you know, people from London and Chelsea, or probably from, uh, where, wherever, New York or whatever.
00:34:07.180And they were all outraged by this because they, they saw that as France, uh, lurching to the far right and, and sort of abusing a minority population.
00:34:17.180And the, the response from the French was like, it's really not like we're really trying to uphold secular liberal values here in the face of a religious civilization, which is now moving into our borders.
00:34:30.020And, and, and, and, and the, the, the, the sort of the liberal response to that was to, was to a feminist argument.
00:34:38.020They, they were saying that, um, it's, it's bullying women.
00:34:42.120You don't have the right to tell women how, like the French state doesn't have the right to tell women what to wear.
00:34:49.420And, and, and, and if anything, the liberal argument could have at least been, well, we are saving them from the, the Islamic patriarchy.
00:34:57.560But all of these narratives just kind of, it, it, it, it was as if they were using the wrong weapon for the wrong situation, the wrong, the wrong war.
00:35:06.280It just didn't, it just didn't make any sense whatsoever.
00:35:08.620But the upshot of it was, was that the, the kind of the Western liberal progressive that you'll find in, in London or New York was busy, like stabbing in the back and actual liberal regime standing up for liberal secular values and, and siding with the, the, the other, um, because they just didn't understand what was going on or because they're just purely nihilist.
00:35:33.840And, um, you know, they, they, they, they just want to watch it all burn, but at any case, when the, the, when those men in France are firing, uh, AK-47s and rocket launchers, and they're screaming Alwa Akbar, they're not doing it in the name of, of like Fukuyama and social justice values.
00:35:52.560They're not doing it in the name of, um, BLM or, or the rainbow flag.
00:35:58.320Like they're doing it on their own terms.
00:36:00.520They've got their own ideas and their own agency.
00:36:04.620Now you recently did a video, uh, talking about kind of a juvenileian power analysis.
00:36:11.820And of course I'm, I'm a big fan of Bertrand de Juvenal.
00:36:14.800I think on power is one of the most important books.
00:36:17.360If you want to understand how political power works and you brought up the point that, you know, uh, juvenile, uh, the juvenile brings up, uh, repeatedly, which is that power needs to find people in the periphery to dislodge the middle.
00:36:33.220This is the, the classic high and low versus middle conflict.
00:36:37.220Uh, if you're, if you're a sovereign who's trying to secure power, you need to collapse competing spheres of authority, which means displacing, uh, those who had been in power previously.
00:36:48.940And the best way to do that is kind of with a new underclass, a new population.
00:36:53.660We see this all the way Roman emperors do this, all kinds of people do this.
00:36:58.080They want to get rid of the middle aristocracy.
00:37:00.720They want to get rid of the established powers that are kind of holding back their centralized, uh, you know, kind of top authority.
00:37:09.860They bring in, uh, they, they, they offer rights to, they offer benefits to another population, a newer population that doesn't have roots in the area.
00:37:19.480Uh, and that allows them to kind of displace, uh, the already entrenched interests that were kind of holding back their centralized power.
00:37:29.640I mean, the, the Democrats in America just say this directly.
00:37:32.460It's like, Hey, we're just going to leave the borders open.
00:37:34.700And eventually these people are just going to, there's going to be too many of them and they're going to vote you out.
00:37:38.320Like the Republicans will just never win another election because we'll, we'll transform the country and there's nothing you can do about it.
00:37:44.860We understand how, how democracy works.
00:37:47.220If we don't like our current, uh, voting base, we, we just bring in a new one.
00:37:50.600Uh, and that'll allow us to kind of centralize power by getting rid of all those middle Americans, um, you know,
00:37:56.540or, or making sure that they lose political power.
00:37:59.360Uh, interestingly here in France though, it seems like we might be in a situation where if that was in some way, part of the plan, power might've overplayed its hand because they can't control in many ways.
00:38:11.200Uh, the, uh, pop that population, that population isn't interested in assimilating at all.
00:38:17.180And so they've created a situation where kind of that, uh, that, uh, brought in underclass that brought in immigrant class, uh, actually just has,
00:38:26.300is more interested in displacing the top of the power than it is necessarily in, in being used.
00:38:33.280Yeah, I, I think, I think there's certainly elements of that, but what they've actually found is that their client group is because of the, the sort of the,
00:38:41.340the strong connection straight back to North Africa, um, and, and the, the, with Islam, they've actually discovered that their client group is a, is a rival castle.
00:38:51.440Uh, and, and, and this, this, this becomes the problem of, okay, so how do we actually deal with this problem where we thought it would maybe be this,
00:39:02.560we could create a, a situation maybe like in America where the progressives take, take over the cause of, of, uh, black, black rights and, um, equality in legislation and civil rights.
00:39:15.760But, but what they've actually realized is that what they've, what they've, what they've ushered in is, is like a rival castle.
00:39:23.600And this is what they're struggling to contain and deal with.
00:39:26.920Um, and, and, and, I mean, a lot of people were talking about the response to the riots and I've got a little bit of sympathy for them because when you're talking about 10 to 15% of your population,
00:39:39.560it's, it's, it's all very well to go on Twitter and, uh, give a lot of hot takes about, well, just send them the army and crack them down.
00:39:46.680But when you're talking about the majority population in your major cities, that's, that's going to be, that's going to end up being a bloodbath.
00:39:55.340Now you, you, like, there's no happy outcomes to that.
00:39:59.640On the other hand, the, the, the counter to that would be, well, what are you going to do?
00:40:04.140Have this, have this situation where they can just set up, set the, the prime real estate in your urban capitals, your urban centers can just be torched whenever they, they feel aggrieved.
00:40:16.040Yeah, this is the tightrope that they're walking.
00:40:18.040This is the mess that they've got themselves in.
00:40:20.620Um, and, and, I, I don't really know how they can get out of it because even if you got somebody like, um, the national front in, then there, they will be more likely to use force.
00:40:33.740But then that opens up all of our kinds of problems when you look at the, just the scale of the populations involved.
00:40:41.480And I guess, uh, the French elites wouldn't be the first, the first, uh, uh, nation leaders to, uh, you know, bring in a new population and then find themselves actually, uh, you know, the lost that deal.
00:40:55.380Again, same thing kind of happened, uh, with the Romans.
00:40:57.900And so we'll, we'll just bring in this one group to fight this other group and kind of shore up our, our borders.
00:41:03.300And actually now that that group runs the show, uh, so they, they wouldn't be the first elite class to, to kind of have, uh, to lose this hubris.
00:41:11.520I guess my point is for a lot of people who might be watching here, just remember that none of this is new, right?
00:41:18.660It, you know, uh, the, the, the notes might be different in France, but the song is, is the same, uh, that, uh, you know, power works this way, uh, that throughout many thousands and thousands of years of history, uh, many elites have tried to create client classes and, and, uh, use them in this similar way.
00:41:37.060And found out that they couldn't, you know, they couldn't control them or they, they weren't going to get what they wanted out of them.
00:41:42.540Uh, so just, you know, remember that there, there are, uh, precedents for this kind of stuff and this is not particularly unique.
00:41:49.660I mean, it's interesting when you look at the wider context of the European union, because France is a country, which again, it goes back to what I was saying at the beginning where, um, the European union, if the French had their way,
00:42:05.040that would have itself become a rival castle to what they would see as, um, the Anglo-American alliance.
00:42:12.260And there's a whole history behind that the way, um, originally the French just didn't want the, the, the UK in the European union whatsoever.
00:42:22.420And a lot of them were probably quite happy when we left or officially, officially we left anyway, a few years ago, because they saw that as being American influence creeping into the European union by the back door.
00:42:35.040Which, which, which, which I think they were right about as well.
00:42:37.760And so the idea would be where the French using the Germans, the, the sort of the, the cooked Germans as a kind of golem would, would be to lauded over all of Europe via the European union itself.
00:42:50.380And part and parcel of that was bullying, um, and harassing countries to the east, that they, they were too conservative.
00:43:00.280They weren't taking in their fair share because of the complicated way that the refugees get dispersed around the European union.
00:43:07.780And obviously Hungary being a famous example, but what came out this week was quite amusing because Poland had actually, um, some policy in place where there was going to be hundreds of thousands of visas given out to people in the third world.
00:43:23.640Um, and there was a backlash, um, and then they had just canceled after what happened in France, as the French cities were burning, they just canceled it.
00:43:33.980And, and, and, and it's, it's kind of like a ridiculous situation where someone like Poland or Hungary gets lectured to by France on the need to become multicultural on the need to open up the borders.
00:43:48.280And then they are sitting, I mean, there was things going around the Polish, the actual Polish, uh, home office.
00:43:55.620I think it was released like a little video on social media where you saw France with all of the buildings on fire.
00:44:11.680They had like Chopin playing and everything.
00:44:14.280Like, and, and, and, and it is a problem though, because what, what exactly is the pitch here?
00:44:20.440Like if, if your, if your capital city, uh, if your major city centers are burning to the ground and you've got 40,000 soldiers, uh, what exactly is like, what is the argument that everybody else should replicate that somehow?
00:44:36.400Um, and, and it's, it's, it's, it becomes quite farcical.
00:44:39.860It becomes the exact opposite of, well, for whatever reason, however you got there, for whatever the reason was why this triggered or how they organize it or whatever, you've got countries to the East who are just going to think we, we just don't want that.
00:44:56.120We don't want to deal with all of those issues, all of the issues about, uh, well, colonization or what, what did the, what, what is the policy of cops stopping 17 year old Algerian kids and cars and all of this, all of this stuff.
00:45:13.440Some of these countries just don't have to deal with, and yet they're constantly, even sanctioned in the case of Hungary, sanctioned because they, they oppose all this.
00:45:23.220And I just, I find it to be quite ridiculous, to be honest.
00:45:27.860You can really see some of them saying, Hey, we don't have to live like this.
00:45:30.980This is, you know, but, but yeah, it is, it is amazing that I know, I know that despite all of this, you know, all the pictures of France, all the, all the footage, all of the things.
00:45:42.720As soon as this fades from memory in a week or two, we're going to have people making the exact same arguments over again.
00:45:48.420It's, it's, this isn't going to get, you know, tap the brakes for a minute.
00:45:51.440It's still going to be that the solution to every social ill is mass, mass immigration that simultaneously.
00:45:57.280It's the only thing that will solve things like birth rate, private problems or labor shortages, but it also is, uh, you know, something that you morally have to do because, uh, all of your ancestors were evil and, you know, you, you owe it to the, to the world because everybody's.
00:46:12.720Is actually just a war refugee somewhere.
00:46:15.440The, the fact that we keep seeing this kind of conflict, like you're saying that these people in, in many countries who are trying to make decisions about this, we'll, we'll say, uh, maybe, maybe I don't want to be in this situation.
00:46:27.940But, uh, again, the pressure won't, doesn't seem to relent.
00:46:32.360Uh, it seems to be that over and over again, the same arguments are made and, and without any hesitation to just pretend like that this cost doesn't exist.
00:46:40.900Like, uh, it doesn't keep showing itself over and over again.
00:46:44.820Uh, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because a lot of the people, um, in the British scene were sort of saying, you're okay, like things are bad here, but why, why does this not happen?
00:46:56.360Because it doesn't, it happened, we did have some huge riots, um, for a similar reason, the cops shot some, uh, drug dealer about 10 years ago.
00:47:06.040And there was, there was, there was a sort of a summer of Floyd moment, but again, it wasn't, it didn't have the backing of all of these institutions.
00:47:14.120Like in America, it sort of caught the British establishment off guard.
00:47:18.220And it was after that, that we began to see the appearance of the nudge departments and the mind bending PR stuff.
00:47:24.840Um, uh, and, and to be honest, when, if, if it's the, the reason why it does this, we don't see this kind of thing happening in Britain.
00:47:35.840And I think it's because the police have been trained to be so soft in those situations that the tinderbox is never going to be lighted up.
00:47:45.520So, so the, the French are actually trying to uphold a more or less liberal society where there's law.
00:47:56.000And if you do this, uh, regardless of your background or all of this, we're going to, we're going to have to react.
00:48:02.380We're not going to, I mean, if one of the things the French police do is also just beat people up on the streets, but they will, they, they'll beat up these right as, but if you have a look at the yellow vest protests, if you have a look at the anti-vax, uh, the COVID stuff, they were also beating up all of the, the, the white native French people as well.
00:48:21.760So that's, that's, they are like egalitarian.
00:48:26.060But, um, in, in Britain, it would be much more specific.
00:48:29.940They, they are, they have been told that if you pull this, uh, this person, uh, well, okay, you know, nobody, the guardian isn't going to cry.
00:48:42.200But if it's this other group, then don't just be very, very careful.
00:48:47.240There's all of these policies, there's all of these laws.
00:48:49.160And so when you don't have that, so, so, so in a way the Britain doesn't get riots or chaos like this because we're even more cooked because the, the, the, the, the, the situation just wouldn't be allowed to get that far in the first place because the police have been told essentially to just give up, give in, just, just give them, just be, treat them with kid gloves.
00:49:11.060Yeah, it's so weird here in America because we have something kind of similar happening.
00:49:16.900Uh, you know, it's, it's different because our states are governed differently.
00:49:21.140There, there's more local control here.
00:49:22.820And so things can have a high degree of variance, but in, in a lot of areas throughout the United States, police are specifically being told, we just don't police that neighborhood.
00:49:34.160Uh, we don't apply the law to these people.
00:49:36.360Um, so, uh, you know, because you're, you're just going to lose your career if you're caught in a, in, in a, you know, bad moment on a, on a cell phone or something.
00:49:43.500So we, we just don't respond to that call now.
00:49:45.600We just pretend it didn't, didn't happen.
00:49:47.480And of course we're seeing, uh, crime skyrocket in a, in a lot of those areas.
00:49:51.640And again, as always, you know, unfortunately many of the, the, the, uh, biggest victims are those who live in those areas and now have no police at all.
00:50:00.880Now basically have no law enforcement because any attempt to enforce the law will just end the careers or create a riot.
00:50:07.380And so now there, there, there's just a huge spike in crime in specifically and concentrated in those neighborhoods because they're unpoliced.
00:50:15.900But simultaneously we have this situation where there's an explicit, almost kind of racial law about like who gets prosecuted, especially places like New York at the Daniel Penny situation where he, you know, he's on the subway and he tries to defend people on the subway.
00:50:32.080Uh, another guy who, who happened to be, you know, black defense himself on the subway, uh, in a similar situation actually had, had a, a, a believable legal knife on him at the time.
00:50:41.900And he just walks because, well, I mean, everyone knows why.
00:50:45.840And so we're, we're in this situation where simultaneously our cops are being told be, be softer, uh, you know, don't, don't engage in certain communities, in certain interactions, respond to certain calls because, uh, they could just spark this stuff.
00:51:00.320And then we're seeing an explosion in violence in those communities, uh, that sometimes spills out into others.
00:51:05.400Uh, but then also we see, you know, in, in forces in situations where people are interacting, uh, there's just a, some DAs that have a clear racial bias and will just punish people simply due to their skin color.
00:51:17.340Yeah. And, and, and you can see if, if we give the, the, the, the French, the benefit of the doubt that even when they haven't actually brought in all of these politically correct policies and embedded it within the police,
00:51:32.900you can see that it still isn't really a solution. So, so I saw there was this, uh, is he like a liberal commentator, Michael Tracy, and he would, he was making this point that essentially, um, everybody is equal under the law in France.
00:51:47.700And, and he, he was kind of defending the makeup, the, the constitutional makeup of France. And I thought, but yeah, but that, that's also the, the whole problem is that like, if the best that you, if the, when you, if let's just get to say, for example,
00:52:02.900that the French are fair, that it is, they are trying to uphold their, their liberal democracy. I mean, you know, it says a lot that they're on their fifth Republic and apparently a majority of the people want to move on to number six quite quickly because it's not working.
00:52:20.180But nevertheless, even if we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're trying to do this or with the minimum of political correctness, it's, it's, and just where you, everybody is equal.
00:52:30.780Everybody has this, it's egalitarianism. It's all of us. It still doesn't work because people just aren't the same.
00:52:37.120You, you can, you can give everybody a stamp or a passport to say, well, you are all French citizens because you'll see that they, there's people coming out on social media and saying, well, the, the, the far right are going to town on this.
00:52:51.720But like 90% of the people arrested were French because, well, okay, but that's, that's what you mean is that they've got French citizenship.
00:53:01.360But the whole problem that started this off is the fact that, that we have these divisions.
00:53:08.220So, so, so what that means is that the way you're looking at this doesn't work because it doesn't accurately describe the situation.
00:53:16.180And calling the people who are, like, pointing out that there are these divisions here, calling them, like, sort of trolls or the fascists or whatever it is, that doesn't really solve the problem.
00:53:29.700France is still in flames at the end of the day.
00:53:32.120And it's in flames precisely because having a stamp, having a piece of paper isn't enough.
00:53:38.480It isn't enough to have a bunch of man-made laws imposed on a population, then expect the population to just sort of, as if that's going to produce the population.
00:53:50.460We've got these, these, these constitutional rights.
00:53:53.700We've got this, these laws in place and everybody is treated the same under the law, but your country still burns because it doesn't accurately, it isn't an accurate description of how human beings actually are.
00:54:05.860So, yeah, peoples make constitutions, constitutions don't make peoples.
00:54:20.060So we've got some questions stacking up over here.
00:54:23.040Before we go to the questions of the people, is there anything that we didn't get to that you wanted to talk about and where can people find your work?
00:54:29.720And Morgoth's review on Substack and on YouTube.
00:54:34.040I mean, the only thing to sort of hammer the point home on a lot of this was that just in Britain a few weeks ago, we also had an African migrant murdered a couple of, a couple of students, a male and a female on the street.
00:54:49.760And then there was a bit of a thing about the parents come out and they have to give this statement.
00:54:57.500But when they give the statement, it's always along the lines of don't look back in anger, don't give in to hate, don't sort of wrap a political narrative around this.
00:55:08.300Whereas when you saw, I think it was the grandmother of, of the, the, the kid who died in France, it was all hellfire and retribution and bloody revolution and all, I won't rest until this is all overturned.
00:55:24.140And that, that, that says all about this stuff when it happens, like, like there was no, there was no cities burning.
00:55:32.880I know it's an easy kind of cliched point by now, but just to say like, well, when, when those babies got stabbed, um, there was not all of this riot.
00:55:42.440And, and here again, you see the difference in populations, just in that, just in these, just in the reactions, it tells you that one part of the population is completely oppressed and the other isn't.
00:55:57.160There was a kid in America, uh, Canon Hennett is like a five-year-old and he got a shot in the face, um, by a, uh, black guy and, uh, and, uh, immediately his, like they interviewed his mother and, uh, the, the, someone had decided to yell out that he had been a racist and like he had said something racist.
00:56:18.320And that's why he got shot as if that would have been some kind of justification.
00:56:22.380And the, uh, the mother's first response was, uh, the first mother's first response was not like my child got killed.
00:57:04.880There's a meme that goes around in Britain where fun, cause I'm from the North, uh, and they pronounce it North and there's like a big kind of gumman type geezer, uh, with a football.
00:57:15.960It's like, it's supposed to be like this meme football club in the North, North FC riots when probably not anytime soon because the, the nudge units will tell people just to wave candles or whatever.
00:57:44.200Uh, yeah, I gotta be honest, narco Republican.
00:57:46.320I'm just not super familiar, familiar with that section of history.
00:57:50.500Uh, so, um, I would be interested to learn more.
00:57:53.360That's good to know that that's a good source, but, uh, I can't say that I can speak with a lot of authority on that particular aspect of history there.
00:58:08.300Uh, when I started reading Morgoth's Substack not too long ago, I got a feeling reminiscent of playing Grand Theft Auto 3 for the first time as a youngster.
00:58:15.280Funny how DR content is an affront to boomerism similar to GTA in the 2000s.
00:58:22.280Um, an interesting analogy, to be sure, uh, but I'm sure that, uh, you mean that, uh, the high quality of, uh, GTA 3 must match, uh, Morgoth's Substack there.
00:58:35.300Yeah, I don't, I don't understand the reference.
00:58:37.700I know that it's a video game, but I don't, uh, I'm too old.
00:58:41.380I'm too old for to get all that reference.
00:58:43.400We may be too boomer for the boomer joke at this point.
00:58:46.160Yeah, no, we may be the joke at this point.
00:59:09.240Oh, what really happened to Notre Dame?
00:59:11.560Yeah, of course, uh, that is a huge aspect as well.
00:59:15.040A number of churches and historical, uh, you know, uh, areas have burned in France.
00:59:21.640Many people suspect, um, very likely, uh, that there are religious, um, uh, reasons for that.
00:59:28.660Uh, but obviously it's, uh, in the interest of attempting to keep, I guess, some level of civil, uh, unrest down, uh, that they don't investigate those things.
00:59:38.240And so we don't really hear about what actually happened to those very often.
00:59:45.200Again, like with the Bataclan massacre, thanks in the chat for pointing that out.
00:59:49.460But even a place like France, they, the, the, they've got their own deep state and it's got lots of secrets for, for, for the greater good, uh, of the society they've created.
01:00:12.320Once again, always a fantastic time talking with him.
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