The Auron MacIntyre Show - Gamer Leak Reveals the Truth About Ukraine Conflict ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee

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00:00:30.440 Hey everybody, thanks for joining me this evening.

00:00:33.300 I've got a great stream with one of your favorite guests,

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00:00:38.940 So as many people have heard, we have a leak on our hands.

00:00:43.160 Highly classified documents talking about the war in Ukraine,

00:00:49.100 and everything that's happening between Ukraine and Russia,

00:00:52.120 the United States involvement, NATO involvement,

00:00:54.420 what the real story is on the ground.

00:00:57.180 And it's been so hard to figure out what the truth is with so much of this war

00:01:01.440 because both sides are spinning so hard.

00:01:03.440 And weirdly enough, even though like every other war has been like basically live streamed at this point for everyone,

00:01:10.060 we just don't seem to get very much information,

00:01:12.220 or at least very much reliable information on what's happening in Ukraine.

00:01:15.460 So these documents definitely open up a window,

00:01:18.460 but the way that they were presented is also very interesting.

00:01:22.640 They were supposedly linked through a Discord server, a Minecraft server,

00:01:26.720 a bunch of gamers were supposed to be sharing them out.

00:01:29.140 And so we're going to be looking at how all of this shook out.

00:01:33.920 My guest today is a contributing editor over at IM1776.

00:01:38.320 He's somebody with military experience.

00:01:41.080 Lafayette Lee, thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:43.340 Hey, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

00:01:46.160 Absolutely. So we're going to look at what these documents actually say,

00:01:49.660 and then we're going to delve deeper into where they came from

00:01:52.880 and what we think about the narrative that is being created around their leak.

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00:03:27.860 All right, guys.

00:03:28.540 So let's go ahead and jump right into it.

00:03:31.220 Now, I think a lot of people suspected many of the things that we learned from this leak.

00:03:38.580 I think a lot of the things that were revealed there were if you were paying attention,

00:03:42.640 if you're familiar with the situation,

00:03:44.920 many people could have predicted a lot of what we learned there.

00:03:49.520 But we do want to quickly go over some of those key revelations

00:03:52.760 before we then move on to the narrative,

00:03:56.400 again, being spun around the release of these documents.

00:04:00.040 If you want to get a full breakdown,

00:04:02.360 my buddy Charlemagne did a great one in his channel.

00:04:04.900 They spent like three hours,

00:04:06.260 him and two of our other friends,

00:04:08.120 Furious Pertinax and Raging Mandrel,

00:04:09.820 they were on there breaking down basically every document,

00:04:12.900 every slide that came out of this thing.

00:04:15.440 So if you really want to get to the nitty gritty of all that stuff,

00:04:17.880 you can check out his stream.

00:04:19.260 But like I said,

00:04:19.740 we're going to just touch on that before we move on

00:04:21.640 to kind of the narrative that the media is placing around this leak.

00:04:27.080 So first off,

00:04:28.200 let's talk about the nature of the leak.

00:04:30.800 Now, from what I've seen, Lafayette,

00:04:32.760 it looks like these are briefing slides of some kind

00:04:36.580 that were printed off

00:04:38.360 and then photographed and released during this leak.

00:04:43.640 Right.

00:04:44.760 The leaks are going to be,

00:04:46.220 we don't have a full,

00:04:47.560 like we can't wrap our arms quite yet around the leaks.

00:04:50.260 And part of this,

00:04:51.200 and you brought it up before,

00:04:51.980 I think it's important to remember is

00:04:53.160 this is being conveyed to us from the media.

00:04:57.500 And this,

00:04:58.580 many of us grew up believing that the media

00:05:00.720 has an adversarial role,

00:05:03.460 connection with the U.S. government,

00:05:05.280 with the intelligence community.

00:05:07.120 This is just non-existent today.

00:05:08.980 And so I've always approached this as what we're reading,

00:05:13.360 especially from outfits like the New York Times

00:05:15.040 and the Wall Street Journal.

00:05:16.780 The information we're digesting here

00:05:19.720 is going to be information

00:05:20.820 that we are almost allowed to see.

00:05:23.540 Right.

00:05:23.660 And so the leaks themselves,

00:05:25.940 it seems what I've been able to ascertain from this

00:05:28.680 is some of the leaks were,

00:05:30.200 you know,

00:05:30.880 this E3 writing out different bits of information,

00:05:34.720 which he was able to get

00:05:36.240 while he was working in these,

00:05:37.840 in these,

00:05:38.280 as a,

00:05:38.780 as a guardsman.

00:05:40.500 And then there's actual photos of documents

00:05:43.260 that appear that he took them out of a,

00:05:45.580 a SCIF,

00:05:46.380 which is going to be,

00:05:47.640 you know,

00:05:47.880 where you're going to have this classified information

00:05:49.920 and then took pictures of briefing slides

00:05:52.960 and then some other documents as well

00:05:54.680 that were marked with classification banners.

00:05:56.840 And so it appears that it was kind of a,

00:05:59.620 both of those things.

00:06:00.360 He was leaking information that he could recall

00:06:03.500 maybe while he was doing his work.

00:06:05.180 And then he was also actually taking photos

00:06:07.220 outside of,

00:06:08.420 of these restricted areas.

00:06:11.460 Yeah.

00:06:11.920 And I think a really key part of that,

00:06:13.880 that you just said there,

00:06:14.880 that I want people to keep in mind

00:06:15.960 throughout this discussion is

00:06:17.300 what you're being allowed to see,

00:06:19.540 right?

00:06:19.860 Because what we're going to get,

00:06:20.800 again,

00:06:20.980 we're going to address what's in the leak first

00:06:22.380 and then we're going to talk about

00:06:23.340 the nature of the leak and,

00:06:24.500 and kind of the narrative

00:06:26.000 and everything around it.

00:06:27.100 But what you're being allowed to see

00:06:30.000 is being filtered through

00:06:31.140 these mainstream media outlets.

00:06:32.520 It's very clear.

00:06:33.760 I think that they worked hand in hand

00:06:35.680 with the government

00:06:36.600 and so the question we'll be asking is

00:06:38.840 why much of this was released

00:06:41.500 and why the story around its release

00:06:44.400 is being the framed the way that it is.

00:06:47.740 But remember,

00:06:48.620 as we talk about these,

00:06:49.620 we don't have confirmation on this stuff.

00:06:51.420 We don't have,

00:06:52.280 you know,

00:06:52.480 there isn't any hard cooperation

00:06:54.700 and all of this is being filtered

00:06:57.000 through the understanding

00:06:57.880 that there is some level

00:07:00.460 of the government's complicity

00:07:01.920 inside this,

00:07:03.440 this leak itself

00:07:04.940 because of the way they work

00:07:06.260 with the American media.

00:07:07.860 So that said,

00:07:09.240 some,

00:07:10.700 some main takeaways,

00:07:11.660 I think just some basic ones

00:07:13.400 that most people

00:07:14.220 would have expected,

00:07:15.220 but we'll just go ahead

00:07:16.200 and,

00:07:16.460 and confirm

00:07:17.500 from some of the,

00:07:18.660 from some of the things we saw

00:07:19.660 first looks like

00:07:21.520 the casualties are worse

00:07:22.960 for Ukraine

00:07:23.960 than most were letting on.

00:07:25.880 Many people saying two to one,

00:07:27.780 some people kind of throwing out

00:07:29.080 ridiculous numbers

00:07:29.800 like seven to one.

00:07:30.640 That,

00:07:30.900 that seems insane.

00:07:31.840 I don't think that's the case,

00:07:33.100 but,

00:07:33.880 but very clearly the,

00:07:35.160 the media has been pushing this idea

00:07:37.020 that Ukraine was on the verge of victory

00:07:39.380 throughout many parts of this conflict,

00:07:41.600 that Russia was taking heavy

00:07:43.440 and demoralizing,

00:07:44.860 uh,

00:07:45.880 casualties during this.

00:07:47.360 And that really,

00:07:49.200 it's only a matter of time

00:07:50.200 before the attrition got to Russia.

00:07:52.160 The numbers we see there,

00:07:54.020 it looks like that

00:07:55.160 probably isn't the case.

00:07:56.700 We also see probably more significantly

00:07:59.000 the number of Russian air force

00:08:01.980 versus the Ukrainian,

00:08:03.380 uh,

00:08:04.400 air force.

00:08:04.960 Obviously Russians already have

00:08:06.120 a vastly superior air force,

00:08:08.420 but it was held back

00:08:09.360 by a lot of the anti-air

00:08:10.500 that was provided by the West to Ukraine.

00:08:12.400 It looks like Russia is still in possession

00:08:15.440 of the vast majority of its air force

00:08:17.460 as where Ukraine is bleeding aircraft,

00:08:19.920 uh,

00:08:20.140 many reports as much as 50%

00:08:21.900 of,

00:08:23.040 of what's available to them.

00:08:24.400 And as the Ukrainians exhaust

00:08:27.780 their anti-air and other munitions,

00:08:29.980 that air force come,

00:08:32.560 becomes more and more important.

00:08:33.800 That air force disadvantage

00:08:34.840 becomes,

00:08:36.340 uh,

00:08:36.720 very important.

00:08:37.900 And so,

00:08:38.800 uh,

00:08:39.240 the,

00:08:39.440 the,

00:08:39.720 and then the final thing

00:08:40.640 that I think was,

00:08:41.280 was the,

00:08:42.000 again,

00:08:42.400 something everyone probably knew

00:08:44.120 if you're paying any attention,

00:08:45.260 but it's nice to have

00:08:46.680 some level of confirmation

00:08:47.940 that there are NATO forces

00:08:50.420 acting inside Ukraine,

00:08:52.760 specifically the United States,

00:08:54.340 among others,

00:08:55.300 special forces are on the ground.

00:08:57.120 They,

00:08:57.660 they are active in the area.

00:08:59.520 Um,

00:09:00.020 and so I think those,

00:09:01.760 there,

00:09:02.120 there are other things,

00:09:03.220 you know,

00:09:03.800 us spying on its allies,

00:09:05.100 but nothing new about that.

00:09:06.400 That's not a big revelation.

00:09:07.520 Uh,

00:09:08.280 but,

00:09:08.500 but I think those are kind of

00:09:09.400 the,

00:09:09.620 the big takeaways that again,

00:09:11.500 didn't,

00:09:11.760 didn't change the game.

00:09:12.880 A lot of people who are paying

00:09:13.600 attention probably knew this,

00:09:15.100 but we do have some level of

00:09:17.280 confirmation coming through

00:09:18.360 these leaks.

00:09:20.900 Yeah,

00:09:21.460 that's exactly right.

00:09:22.540 And I think something to keep

00:09:23.960 in mind as we,

00:09:24.840 as we look at this is these,

00:09:28.480 these leaks are highly,

00:09:30.540 like they're coming about in an

00:09:33.000 environment in which leaking

00:09:34.640 has become a huge problem.

00:09:36.140 And I think that when we look at

00:09:38.820 the transition to the Trump

00:09:40.640 presidency,

00:09:41.200 you know,

00:09:41.800 they averaged,

00:09:42.520 I think it was the last estimate

00:09:44.440 I heard.

00:09:44.800 It was about 104 high profile leaks

00:09:47.660 that were actually investigated

00:09:49.680 up from 34 on average,

00:09:52.680 I think leaks,

00:09:53.740 or maybe it was like in 30 to 80,

00:09:55.780 something like that.

00:09:56.520 So during the Obama administration,

00:09:58.440 so we've seen this atmosphere in

00:10:00.080 which leaks in the past have been

00:10:02.260 treated,

00:10:02.800 you know,

00:10:03.540 hand in glove with media

00:10:05.540 narratives pushed against the

00:10:07.160 former president.

00:10:08.000 And so we're in this environment

00:10:09.800 in which leaks were almost

00:10:11.320 encouraged to some extent.

00:10:13.760 And that these,

00:10:14.900 these highly embarrassing details

00:10:16.660 that are now coming out are

00:10:18.320 coming out in this same kind of

00:10:20.400 environment.

00:10:20.800 And so part of me wonders is how

00:10:23.580 much of this is truly revelatory?

00:10:26.740 How much of this is,

00:10:28.700 are there extra hands in the pot,

00:10:30.820 right?

00:10:31.120 So if we have leaks that have,

00:10:33.280 you know,

00:10:33.900 we know that the Biden administration

00:10:35.540 touted that in the beginning of

00:10:37.520 the Ukraine war,

00:10:38.500 that they were using intelligence,

00:10:41.080 like revealing their hand on

00:10:42.920 intelligence in a way as an

00:10:44.920 information war tool against the

00:10:46.800 Russians.

00:10:47.060 And so all of this is coming out in

00:10:49.580 that same environment.

00:10:50.740 And I think by holding onto that

00:10:52.980 context is really important as we

00:10:54.600 try to understand what these things

00:10:56.600 actually say,

00:10:57.300 what they mean.

00:10:57.920 So let's go ahead and touch now on

00:11:01.820 how this leak is at least supposedly

00:11:04.180 happened.

00:11:05.340 This is,

00:11:05.720 this is what the media is presenting

00:11:06.940 to us.

00:11:07.420 So when these leaks first came out,

00:11:09.020 it was,

00:11:09.580 it was unclear where they came from.

00:11:12.580 And the media was talking about

00:11:13.840 agents of Vladimir Putin.

00:11:15.320 And of course,

00:11:16.220 like,

00:11:16.460 you know,

00:11:17.060 Russian sympathizers inside the

00:11:19.260 United States government or

00:11:20.640 something.

00:11:20.980 There's all kinds of wild

00:11:22.500 speculation about the red menace

00:11:24.620 that would be running its way

00:11:25.940 through kind of our intelligence

00:11:28.580 apparatus or our military or some

00:11:30.880 other aspect of the government that

00:11:32.780 would allow these leaks.

00:11:34.180 And then out of nowhere,

00:11:36.280 we had,

00:11:37.520 you know,

00:11:38.460 this New York times just discovered

00:11:42.500 in this,

00:11:43.500 this is the narrative that they're

00:11:44.480 kind of going with and kind of

00:11:46.060 track down this leak.

00:11:47.820 And apparently,

00:11:49.360 according to this narrative,

00:11:51.000 the leak came from a 21 year old

00:11:54.400 like national air guardsman who,

00:11:59.120 and this is how the story is going,

00:12:01.260 basically like wanted to show off to

00:12:03.820 his Minecraft,

00:12:04.780 Minecraft discord server,

00:12:07.060 you know,

00:12:07.800 so Gamergate guys,

00:12:09.080 you know,

00:12:09.240 all they wanted to do is play video

00:12:10.900 games.

00:12:11.460 They got done destroying feminism

00:12:13.740 and now they're destroying,

00:12:15.120 you know,

00:12:15.360 the U S government,

00:12:16.540 I guess.

00:12:17.240 But,

00:12:17.600 but so this,

00:12:19.040 in this gaming discord that basically

00:12:22.680 this guy's trying to get attention

00:12:24.060 and he's just kind of dropping

00:12:25.720 classified documents.

00:12:28.000 He's dropping,

00:12:28.500 first he's dropping knowledge,

00:12:29.940 you know,

00:12:30.360 about certain things.

00:12:31.160 He's getting in arguments with people.

00:12:32.580 No one's impressed or no one

00:12:33.780 believes him.

00:12:34.960 And so he starts,

00:12:36.620 you know,

00:12:37.040 putting,

00:12:37.880 you know,

00:12:38.200 more these documents,

00:12:40.080 these slides into place so everybody

00:12:42.840 can see them.

00:12:44.780 And from there,

00:12:45.920 this is kind of where this,

00:12:48.080 these documents are supposed to have

00:12:49.780 made it then online to traveled

00:12:51.820 from the Minecraft discord server

00:12:55.440 to,

00:12:56.360 you know,

00:12:57.460 to the wider internet.

00:12:59.640 And in fact,

00:13:01.340 the FBI who can't seem to find

00:13:04.060 any other leakers of any kind,

00:13:06.140 right.

00:13:06.340 They're very bad at tracking down,

00:13:08.380 you know,

00:13:08.900 almost anyone like for instance,

00:13:11.260 you know,

00:13:11.520 whoever leaked the Dobbs decision

00:13:12.980 or,

00:13:13.940 you know,

00:13:14.720 any of the other things that,

00:13:16.180 you know,

00:13:17.500 they,

00:13:17.760 they need to find that are politically

00:13:18.900 inconvenient for them.

00:13:19.880 But this one was,

00:13:21.340 you know,

00:13:21.640 delivered right to their doorstep

00:13:23.020 by the New York times,

00:13:23.840 I guess.

00:13:24.420 And so they,

00:13:25.620 you know,

00:13:25.920 sent a team and in like an,

00:13:27.740 you know,

00:13:28.420 armored personnel carrier and they,

00:13:30.120 you know,

00:13:31.440 grab,

00:13:31.940 grab this guy at gunpoint

00:13:33.500 and,

00:13:34.700 and secured him.

00:13:36.180 And this is supposed to be kind of

00:13:37.920 where these documents came from.

00:13:41.720 And now,

00:13:42.660 as you said,

00:13:44.760 he would have gone into this skiff.

00:13:46.640 Maybe you could explain a little more

00:13:48.180 about what that means.

00:13:50.680 Like what would this guy have had access

00:13:53.480 to documents like this?

00:13:55.200 And what would he have had to go through

00:13:56.880 to bring them to a brand of Minecraft discord server?

00:14:02.540 Yeah.

00:14:03.120 So in any of this kind of work,

00:14:05.240 you're going to have areas that are going to be restricted

00:14:08.200 where you're going to be able to have access

00:14:09.960 to certain documents or intelligence

00:14:12.580 and that it's,

00:14:13.700 it's held in what's called a skiff.

00:14:15.820 So that's a sensitive compartmented information facility.

00:14:18.740 And these are highly restricted.

00:14:20.140 They have a lot of access control points,

00:14:22.740 things like that to protect national secrets

00:14:25.360 is,

00:14:26.100 is what they're designed to do.

00:14:27.680 Now,

00:14:28.300 something that listeners should understand

00:14:29.880 is that it's not just the intelligence community itself

00:14:32.680 that has access to these things.

00:14:34.020 It's going to be soldiers and sailors,

00:14:36.300 Marines and airmen

00:14:37.100 that have the correct clearances

00:14:40.900 and then also accesses.

00:14:42.340 And this is something

00:14:42.820 that kind of gets lost

00:14:43.700 in the conversation on this

00:14:45.040 is that you can have a very high clearance

00:14:47.600 and you can have limited access.

00:14:49.340 It's needs to know,

00:14:50.220 need to know, right?

00:14:51.180 So if you're not working

00:14:52.240 in a particular vertical

00:14:53.820 within a,

00:14:54.920 within a given

00:14:55.920 intelligence specialty,

00:14:57.720 you might not actually have access

00:14:59.500 to the same kinds of things

00:15:00.740 as somebody else,

00:15:01.620 regardless of your,

00:15:02.640 of your clearance.

00:15:04.280 What's,

00:15:04.940 what's something that we've learned

00:15:06.460 about this leaker though

00:15:07.480 is that this leaker,

00:15:09.060 even though he was young,

00:15:09.940 he was an E3,

00:15:10.820 he was a guardsman.

00:15:11.880 He was what they call

00:15:12.960 a cyber transport systems journeyman.

00:15:15.100 And so this is going to be

00:15:16.560 an occupational specialty

00:15:19.300 that works with a lot of information,

00:15:21.400 technology and communication systems.

00:15:23.300 The closest example

00:15:24.320 you could probably find

00:15:25.320 that many listeners might understand

00:15:26.900 would be somebody like Edward Snowden

00:15:28.380 had access to a lot of these things.

00:15:30.340 He was not an agent.

00:15:31.660 He wasn't doing analysis

00:15:33.360 or anything like that.

00:15:34.420 He just had access to these things

00:15:36.400 as almost like an IT specialist.

00:15:38.440 This kid seems to fit

00:15:39.720 that same kind of occupational specialty.

00:15:42.780 So that said,

00:15:43.520 yes, it is,

00:15:45.320 you know,

00:15:45.600 there's been a lot of speculation

00:15:46.900 and I don't think speculation is wrong

00:15:48.740 because like we've discussed,

00:15:49.920 we're kind of dealing

00:15:50.600 with a black box situation.

00:15:52.740 So I think a healthy dose

00:15:54.320 of skepticism is always good,

00:15:56.020 but it is possible

00:15:57.460 that this,

00:15:58.160 this kid had access

00:15:59.540 to at least what,

00:16:01.160 what we've seen,

00:16:01.860 right?

00:16:03.000 Because of his high level of clearance,

00:16:05.400 but also because he likely

00:16:06.780 had a lot of access.

00:16:08.520 And so it appears that

00:16:10.940 not only was he privy

00:16:12.300 to some of these things,

00:16:13.520 but that he also was able

00:16:15.720 to get them,

00:16:16.700 he was also able

00:16:17.360 to get them printed out.

00:16:19.040 And,

00:16:19.500 and we don't know exactly

00:16:21.120 if he did all this

00:16:22.020 in Massachusetts.

00:16:23.320 I've heard that he was training

00:16:25.060 and doing other things

00:16:25.860 at other military installations.

00:16:27.160 So we don't know exactly

00:16:28.740 where he obtained these things.

00:16:30.680 There should be a level

00:16:32.080 of security at these places,

00:16:33.520 but it is,

00:16:34.540 it is possible.

00:16:35.620 And I think that's important

00:16:36.480 to remember here

00:16:37.240 is that it is possible

00:16:39.300 that he,

00:16:39.900 he did all of this

00:16:41.240 and acted completely alone

00:16:42.760 and did that.

00:16:43.900 That does not rule out

00:16:45.180 the other possibilities,

00:16:46.160 right?

00:16:46.640 But it is possible.

00:16:49.380 Now,

00:16:49.820 what do you think

00:16:50.280 about the media

00:16:51.020 relationship here?

00:16:51.960 You already mentioned

00:16:52.580 that a little bit,

00:16:53.840 but obviously

00:16:55.020 the New York Times

00:16:56.120 is in theory

00:16:57.820 and we all know

00:16:58.820 better here,

00:16:59.400 but we'll,

00:16:59.940 we'll play along

00:17:00.640 with the,

00:17:01.180 with the,

00:17:01.920 the story a little bit.

00:17:03.680 in theory,

00:17:04.820 the media is supposed

00:17:05.920 to be holding

00:17:06.580 the government

00:17:07.440 and count accountable.

00:17:08.860 In theory,

00:17:10.100 the media should be

00:17:11.600 chasing down these leads,

00:17:13.320 should be exposing

00:17:14.180 everything they can

00:17:15.680 about these documents,

00:17:17.800 should be asking

00:17:18.840 why so much

00:17:19.780 of this information

00:17:20.720 was repeatedly denied

00:17:23.820 or was spun heavily

00:17:26.320 by government

00:17:27.480 and other portions

00:17:28.600 of the media

00:17:29.320 to project

00:17:30.100 a very particular

00:17:30.960 version or view

00:17:33.660 of the war

00:17:35.100 in Ukraine.

00:17:35.880 And yet it's not

00:17:37.780 tracking down

00:17:38.560 any of these leads.

00:17:40.160 It's not deploying,

00:17:41.700 you know,

00:17:42.560 combat journalists,

00:17:43.880 embedding them

00:17:44.580 in units to find out,

00:17:46.420 you know,

00:17:46.680 what,

00:17:46.980 what the veracity

00:17:47.920 of these documents are

00:17:49.160 or verify

00:17:49.860 any of the details.

00:17:51.300 It's chasing down

00:17:52.500 the leaker

00:17:53.000 themselves,

00:17:54.340 himself.

00:17:55.440 And not only

00:17:55.880 are they chasing

00:17:56.500 down the leaker,

00:17:58.080 there's been a very

00:17:58.820 particular smear campaign

00:18:00.900 about the kind

00:18:03.260 of person this is.

00:18:04.700 It's very clear

00:18:05.900 that they don't just

00:18:06.840 want this leak

00:18:07.840 to be made public

00:18:09.280 or made or that

00:18:10.320 this leak to be

00:18:11.560 linked to this person.

00:18:13.020 They want to build

00:18:13.920 a particular narrative

00:18:15.080 about the kind

00:18:16.440 of person

00:18:17.020 who would release

00:18:18.300 these documents.

00:18:19.380 The, you know,

00:18:20.260 firearm enthusiast

00:18:21.980 is a word

00:18:22.620 that the media

00:18:23.260 used regularly.

00:18:24.220 I would hope so.

00:18:25.100 It's, it's a military,

00:18:26.140 you know, person,

00:18:27.360 but, but they often

00:18:29.160 talked about

00:18:30.480 his want for power,

00:18:31.900 how he's a gamer,

00:18:33.100 how basically

00:18:33.940 trying to paint them

00:18:34.620 as an incel.

00:18:35.560 It felt like there

00:18:36.300 was a very particular

00:18:37.080 type of person

00:18:38.440 that the media

00:18:39.980 was trying to say

00:18:41.460 was responsible

00:18:42.440 for these leaks.

00:18:44.320 No, that's exactly right.

00:18:45.700 And I think that

00:18:46.160 that's what is

00:18:47.140 so disturbing

00:18:47.860 about this

00:18:48.440 is that,

00:18:49.060 you know,

00:18:49.380 we've been kind

00:18:49.940 of coasting off

00:18:50.660 of this view

00:18:52.300 of the American media

00:18:53.600 thanks to a lot

00:18:54.900 of,

00:18:55.300 a lot of major changes

00:18:57.400 that took place

00:18:58.220 in the intelligence

00:18:58.820 community

00:18:59.320 and the military

00:19:00.180 following Vietnam,

00:19:01.780 you know,

00:19:02.460 and Watergate.

00:19:03.540 So there's kind

00:19:04.480 of been this rosy view

00:19:05.580 that the media has,

00:19:07.180 like I said before,

00:19:07.940 this adversarial role

00:19:09.380 to play against

00:19:10.860 the U.S. government

00:19:12.080 and the intelligence

00:19:12.660 community,

00:19:13.260 hold them accountable,

00:19:14.260 speak truth to power.

00:19:15.540 What we're finding though

00:19:16.420 is that that adversarial role

00:19:17.640 is really weaponized

00:19:18.540 against the American people,

00:19:20.260 not against people in power.

00:19:22.460 And that what you're seeing

00:19:23.580 is, is that,

00:19:24.720 you know,

00:19:24.940 when we talked about leaks before,

00:19:27.400 leaks were weaponized

00:19:28.260 against the prior administration.

00:19:31.260 These people in the media

00:19:32.620 and people have to understand

00:19:33.600 is that journalists

00:19:34.900 that report

00:19:36.280 on the national security state

00:19:37.960 depend on having access.

00:19:40.660 So you need to ask the question

00:19:41.860 if they are able

00:19:43.540 to obtain this information

00:19:44.680 from sources

00:19:46.260 that they have

00:19:46.960 within these institutions,

00:19:48.320 do you think

00:19:49.360 that if they were

00:19:49.920 to threaten

00:19:50.400 these institutions

00:19:51.260 by speaking truth to power

00:19:52.880 that they would continue

00:19:53.720 to have that access?

00:19:55.120 I would argue no.

00:19:56.580 And we've seen this,

00:19:57.940 that the journalists

00:19:59.080 that were involved

00:19:59.700 in finding this kid,

00:20:01.820 the journalists

00:20:02.360 that reported on the stories,

00:20:04.300 you know,

00:20:04.740 there's a lot of familiar names.

00:20:06.280 One of those is Shane Harris.

00:20:07.560 He was somebody

00:20:08.200 who was reporting

00:20:08.980 on the Russian bounty story

00:20:10.380 that we later learned

00:20:11.340 was unfounded,

00:20:14.040 might have been literally correct,

00:20:16.740 but there was a narrative

00:20:17.780 attached to that

00:20:18.620 and it was used

00:20:19.400 to continue

00:20:20.080 the war in Afghanistan

00:20:21.480 and to kind of sabotage

00:20:23.240 the prior administration's plans

00:20:25.240 to pull out of Afghanistan.

00:20:26.880 So you see,

00:20:27.520 there's this thing

00:20:28.120 that goes on with leaks.

00:20:30.120 American people might,

00:20:31.260 by the time it gets to us,

00:20:32.860 the narrative's been formed

00:20:34.120 and you saw this here.

00:20:35.660 One other thing I'll add here

00:20:36.800 is that there was,

00:20:38.360 it wasn't just

00:20:39.140 the New York Times

00:20:39.920 and Washington Post

00:20:41.060 that were trying

00:20:41.940 to identify this kid.

00:20:43.740 It's also Bellingcat,

00:20:45.180 which we are told

00:20:46.740 is, you know,

00:20:47.740 an independent organization

00:20:49.400 that is, you know,

00:20:51.420 it's based out

00:20:52.020 of the Netherlands.

00:20:52.580 But if you actually look

00:20:54.400 in the financials

00:20:55.360 of this company,

00:20:56.260 they are funded

00:20:57.320 by defense contractors

00:20:59.520 and that they receive money

00:21:01.020 through NGOs and IGOs

00:21:02.900 that have been alleged

00:21:04.860 come from the U.S. government

00:21:06.940 and the U.K. government.

00:21:08.620 So right there,

00:21:09.520 you see that there's

00:21:10.420 this symbiotic relationship

00:21:11.840 between these entities

00:21:12.780 and that these lines

00:21:14.120 are very blurred.

00:21:16.160 So can we trust these things?

00:21:18.740 And I think it was interesting

00:21:19.740 that after we,

00:21:21.140 you know,

00:21:21.300 before even most Americans

00:21:22.940 knew what was in these leaks,

00:21:25.260 they already had a profile

00:21:27.020 of this airman,

00:21:29.820 you know, this E3.

00:21:31.400 He's racist.

00:21:32.180 Like you said,

00:21:32.760 he's racist.

00:21:33.560 He's gun-toting.

00:21:34.560 I mean,

00:21:34.740 all of these things

00:21:35.480 are radioactive identifiers.

00:21:37.920 And you can see

00:21:38.740 that the masses,

00:21:40.160 these are the type

00:21:40.900 of accounts

00:21:41.680 or people

00:21:42.440 that will have

00:21:43.180 the Ukrainian flags

00:21:44.160 in their bios

00:21:44.860 that are kind of like

00:21:46.060 what we joke

00:21:46.660 is like always

00:21:47.760 on the current thing.

00:21:48.860 They responded,

00:21:50.400 you know,

00:21:51.080 accordingly.

00:21:51.940 Immediately,

00:21:52.780 it was comments

00:21:53.820 about the airmen,

00:21:55.080 about, you know,

00:21:55.960 insider threats

00:21:56.840 from conservatives,

00:21:58.140 from Trumpists.

00:21:59.320 I mean,

00:21:59.820 and so,

00:22:00.760 you know,

00:22:01.060 when you see this,

00:22:01.940 you have to ask yourself,

00:22:03.600 by the time it gets to us,

00:22:05.560 does it even matter

00:22:06.400 that we have facts?

00:22:07.580 You know,

00:22:07.840 I really,

00:22:08.680 I could see this happening

00:22:09.520 because we've seen it

00:22:10.280 play out so many times

00:22:11.560 in the last 20 years

00:22:12.900 that these,

00:22:14.160 that the media

00:22:14.800 is not really

00:22:16.360 holding those

00:22:17.540 in power accountable.

00:22:20.540 They're acting

00:22:20.980 as handmaidens

00:22:21.860 to kind of

00:22:22.800 grease the wheels

00:22:23.620 for the interests

00:22:25.320 of these institutions.

00:22:27.200 And so,

00:22:27.480 we saw that we're

00:22:28.300 eventually,

00:22:28.960 you know,

00:22:29.680 that the facts

00:22:30.700 of this case

00:22:31.420 will become

00:22:32.060 completely blurred,

00:22:33.440 that they'll be

00:22:33.920 overwhelmed by a narrative.

00:22:35.400 And by the end of this,

00:22:36.500 there will be a consensus

00:22:37.400 that is formed,

00:22:38.200 right?

00:22:39.020 And we already see

00:22:40.180 certain places

00:22:41.000 where these interests

00:22:42.700 will align,

00:22:43.740 that have been

00:22:44.040 longstanding priorities.

00:22:45.700 And I think

00:22:46.220 that those

00:22:46.620 who are observing this

00:22:47.620 and trying to have

00:22:48.240 kind of a critical eye,

00:22:49.820 pay attention

00:22:50.240 to the consensus

00:22:50.960 that comes about

00:22:51.980 after this.

00:22:53.940 Yeah,

00:22:54.420 I think that's

00:22:54.860 really good advice.

00:22:55.960 Again,

00:22:56.240 it's hard to know

00:22:57.340 what the level

00:22:58.260 of the veracity

00:22:58.920 of the information

00:22:59.520 coming out is,

00:23:00.580 but the one thing

00:23:01.340 that was made

00:23:02.420 very clear

00:23:03.080 from the beginning

00:23:03.800 is what you should feel

00:23:04.800 about the leaker.

00:23:06.120 The media

00:23:06.880 was quick

00:23:08.640 to pretend

00:23:09.440 like it didn't matter

00:23:10.460 that there were

00:23:12.360 special forces

00:23:13.440 operating inside Ukraine,

00:23:15.480 that there were NATO

00:23:16.200 and, you know,

00:23:18.160 United States,

00:23:19.220 UK,

00:23:19.440 and many other

00:23:20.180 special forces

00:23:20.960 operating inside an area

00:23:22.720 they were not supposed

00:23:23.560 to be in

00:23:24.140 and were not supposed

00:23:25.500 to be giving

00:23:26.020 that kind of assistance.

00:23:28.060 They downplayed

00:23:29.040 many of the facts

00:23:30.020 that were released there,

00:23:30.860 but the one thing

00:23:31.400 that was really important

00:23:32.160 to know

00:23:32.600 is that the guy

00:23:33.180 who released them

00:23:34.160 was, you know,

00:23:35.380 racist, anti-Semitic.

00:23:36.620 He liked guns.

00:23:37.520 They're just trying

00:23:38.040 to put a red baseball cap

00:23:39.380 on them

00:23:39.700 as quickly

00:23:40.800 as possible.

00:23:42.580 And you have to wonder,

00:23:44.400 given the recent

00:23:45.740 attempts to purge

00:23:46.900 the military,

00:23:48.660 if this is in

00:23:49.400 the second wave,

00:23:50.320 right?

00:23:50.500 Because we know

00:23:51.240 that the vaccine

00:23:53.860 requirements

00:23:54.580 were initially used

00:23:55.980 to purge

00:23:56.720 a good chunk

00:23:58.000 of wrong thinkers,

00:24:00.660 possible Trump supporters,

00:24:02.400 possible conservatives

00:24:03.420 or right-wingers

00:24:04.360 out of the United States

00:24:05.700 military.

00:24:06.360 But now those

00:24:08.300 vaccine requirements

00:24:09.280 are kind of being

00:24:10.200 relaxed

00:24:10.960 and, you know,

00:24:12.500 it's getting hard

00:24:13.180 for the military

00:24:13.680 to meet certain

00:24:14.840 recruitment requirements

00:24:16.540 as they're having

00:24:17.060 a hard time

00:24:17.500 filling certain positions.

00:24:19.340 And so you wonder

00:24:20.520 if there isn't

00:24:21.320 the need to build

00:24:22.500 this narrative

00:24:24.980 about the danger

00:24:26.880 inside the military

00:24:27.960 that there's

00:24:28.520 this fifth column

00:24:29.500 of Trump supporters

00:24:30.600 who are working

00:24:32.300 with Russians

00:24:33.800 and others

00:24:35.480 to kind of sabotage

00:24:37.620 or, you know,

00:24:39.320 the Biden administration

00:24:40.400 and might require

00:24:41.300 some level of crackdown

00:24:42.960 or some kind of increase

00:24:44.580 in surveillance

00:24:45.980 or the ability

00:24:47.600 of the authorities

00:24:48.380 to surveil this kind of thing

00:24:50.900 based on the fact

00:24:53.080 that there's such a threat

00:24:54.020 to national security.

00:24:56.120 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:24:57.660 I thought of that as well

00:24:58.800 because this is,

00:25:00.560 you know,

00:25:00.740 this kid,

00:25:01.520 from what we heard

00:25:02.420 from the media,

00:25:03.260 right,

00:25:03.520 no doubt

00:25:04.400 some of the facts

00:25:05.600 are true

00:25:06.220 but, you know,

00:25:08.260 there's always

00:25:08.960 the narrative

00:25:09.520 attached to that

00:25:10.640 and the narrative

00:25:11.320 reinforces

00:25:12.740 longstanding priorities

00:25:14.880 of the Biden administration

00:25:15.880 to protect

00:25:18.020 the military

00:25:18.820 from a group

00:25:20.540 of people

00:25:21.020 that they've identified

00:25:21.940 as extremists,

00:25:23.640 as traitors

00:25:24.340 and so this kid

00:25:26.640 fits this profile

00:25:27.620 almost like,

00:25:28.660 almost too perfectly,

00:25:29.880 right?

00:25:30.100 and so you have this

00:25:32.180 where now we have

00:25:33.520 like a military,

00:25:34.080 we have the question of,

00:25:35.400 well,

00:25:35.500 who should be serving

00:25:36.320 in the military

00:25:36.880 and those who,

00:25:37.820 those who criticize,

00:25:39.340 you know,

00:25:39.940 the Biden administration's policies,

00:25:42.240 who criticize

00:25:43.620 our involvement

00:25:44.480 in with this war

00:25:45.660 in Ukraine,

00:25:46.700 that,

00:25:47.100 that they're now associated

00:25:48.840 more so

00:25:50.040 with this kind of,

00:25:51.740 like you said,

00:25:52.480 this fifth column.

00:25:53.480 So this is kind of,

00:25:54.700 it's always questioning

00:25:56.040 the loyalty

00:25:57.160 of really like millions

00:25:59.620 of Americans,

00:26:00.360 but they've reduced

00:26:01.780 that position

00:26:03.120 down to this single airman

00:26:05.040 who's 21 years old,

00:26:07.240 you know,

00:26:07.600 they might have

00:26:08.560 a couple videos

00:26:09.360 of him saying

00:26:10.520 offensive things

00:26:11.460 and firing,

00:26:12.240 you know,

00:26:12.500 an AR-15,

00:26:13.320 but,

00:26:13.820 you know,

00:26:14.040 all of these things

00:26:14.980 are put together

00:26:15.880 and what you're going

00:26:17.040 to see though

00:26:17.640 is you're going

00:26:17.980 to see that

00:26:18.560 if you criticize

00:26:20.120 the U.S. involvement

00:26:21.800 in Ukraine,

00:26:22.260 if you identify

00:26:23.340 that the president

00:26:24.480 has been lying

00:26:25.260 to the American people

00:26:26.340 for well over a year

00:26:27.880 about what we're doing

00:26:29.340 over there,

00:26:30.160 where we're going

00:26:30.820 with this,

00:26:32.000 you know,

00:26:32.220 that now you are

00:26:33.220 being associated

00:26:34.140 with this

00:26:35.420 traitorous element,

00:26:36.680 right?

00:26:37.440 And I mean,

00:26:37.980 the question

00:26:38.980 that just burns

00:26:39.820 that no one seems

00:26:41.380 willing to talk

00:26:42.180 about in the media

00:26:42.860 is what does this mean

00:26:43.860 about our consent

00:26:45.120 in this war?

00:26:46.420 I mean,

00:26:46.840 you look at

00:26:47.280 the War Powers Resolution,

00:26:49.220 I mean,

00:26:49.460 if these things are true,

00:26:51.280 then what does that say

00:26:52.020 about our involvement

00:26:52.780 in Ukraine?

00:26:53.940 What does that say

00:26:54.520 about our consent?

00:26:55.640 Those are legitimate questions.

00:26:57.080 Those would have been

00:26:57.560 entertained in any

00:26:58.400 other time period.

00:26:59.680 But the focus

00:27:00.980 is all on,

00:27:02.040 you know,

00:27:02.640 loyalty to the Biden

00:27:03.960 administration,

00:27:04.380 which is identified

00:27:05.260 as loyalty to America.

00:27:07.200 And I mean,

00:27:07.580 it's just a very

00:27:08.220 dangerous,

00:27:08.840 toxic situation

00:27:10.040 where dissent

00:27:11.100 will be crushed.

00:27:11.820 And imagine

00:27:12.220 if you're in the military

00:27:13.020 right now

00:27:13.580 and you do not

00:27:14.760 feel comfortable

00:27:15.280 with this.

00:27:16.380 You know,

00:27:16.820 they talk about

00:27:17.580 they've been critical

00:27:19.000 of this kid

00:27:19.920 and I don't identify

00:27:20.860 him necessarily

00:27:21.400 as a traditional

00:27:22.080 whistleblower.

00:27:22.780 But the thing

00:27:24.500 is,

00:27:24.700 is if they want

00:27:25.400 whistleblowers

00:27:26.000 to come forward,

00:27:27.260 what do you do

00:27:27.900 if you say that,

00:27:28.700 you know,

00:27:29.700 the United States

00:27:30.620 is now involving

00:27:31.580 itself in a hot war,

00:27:33.560 which has not had,

00:27:34.820 the American people

00:27:35.360 have had no consent

00:27:36.240 on this.

00:27:37.160 They've been kept

00:27:37.720 in the dark

00:27:38.180 the entire time.

00:27:39.720 What do you say

00:27:40.460 to a whistleblower

00:27:41.300 who says,

00:27:41.880 well,

00:27:42.040 it appears that

00:27:42.760 the Biden administration

00:27:43.480 has been lying

00:27:44.160 throughout this conflict?

00:27:46.160 I mean,

00:27:46.420 do they feel like

00:27:47.240 they're going to be

00:27:47.740 emboldened to come

00:27:48.600 forward

00:27:49.000 and identify

00:27:49.960 themselves as

00:27:50.760 somebody who

00:27:51.280 dissents from

00:27:51.960 the party line

00:27:52.580 on this?

00:27:53.420 And I would say

00:27:54.000 no.

00:27:54.360 I mean,

00:27:54.620 in a lot of ways,

00:27:55.800 whether this airman

00:27:56.900 is,

00:27:57.240 you know,

00:27:57.740 entirely guilty

00:27:59.320 and acted

00:27:59.760 completely alone

00:28:00.720 in this,

00:28:01.620 I mean,

00:28:01.860 it's going to

00:28:02.720 have a chilling

00:28:03.200 effect on people

00:28:04.080 who feel critical

00:28:05.060 or they might

00:28:06.080 be skeptical

00:28:06.740 about some

00:28:07.720 of these policies

00:28:08.680 that the Biden

00:28:09.640 administration

00:28:10.040 has been pursuing

00:28:10.960 completely independently.

00:28:13.100 Especially when

00:28:13.920 you can see

00:28:14.300 how easy it is

00:28:15.160 to smear

00:28:15.900 someone like this,

00:28:16.800 right?

00:28:16.980 I mean,

00:28:17.320 who knows?

00:28:18.020 But this guy

00:28:18.880 could have been

00:28:19.320 completely apolitical.

00:28:21.340 He could have had

00:28:21.860 no interest

00:28:22.780 in any of this stuff,

00:28:23.820 could have had

00:28:24.340 outside of just

00:28:25.520 knowing something

00:28:26.400 other people don't

00:28:27.580 know,

00:28:28.100 if we're kind of

00:28:28.720 buying the narrative

00:28:29.520 as it is now.

00:28:30.840 He,

00:28:31.100 you know,

00:28:31.420 may not have had

00:28:32.220 any particular

00:28:32.840 political allegiance,

00:28:34.040 but,

00:28:34.240 you know,

00:28:34.520 gamer,

00:28:35.340 he's been on Xbox

00:28:36.160 Live at some point,

00:28:37.200 might have said a gamer

00:28:37.980 word at some point.

00:28:39.200 Now there's evidence

00:28:40.540 of his extreme

00:28:41.760 radicalization,

00:28:42.980 right?

00:28:43.200 And all of a sudden

00:28:43.980 this guy is a

00:28:45.940 grossly political

00:28:47.340 actor whose life

00:28:48.320 can be destroyed

00:28:49.800 and if that can

00:28:50.600 happen to him

00:28:51.380 when he had no

00:28:52.160 political interest

00:28:53.720 or agenda,

00:28:54.480 that could easily

00:28:55.080 happen to someone

00:28:56.100 else who steps

00:28:57.320 forward.

00:28:57.760 All you have to do

00:28:58.660 is show that they

00:28:59.780 too hold some

00:29:01.000 of the bad opinions

00:29:01.880 or have said

00:29:02.760 some of the wrong

00:29:03.500 things and anything

00:29:04.940 they have of

00:29:05.940 credible,

00:29:06.580 you know,

00:29:06.900 credibility,

00:29:07.900 there will be

00:29:08.340 destroyed.

00:29:08.840 Their sources

00:29:09.280 won't matter

00:29:10.020 because the only

00:29:10.820 thing that really

00:29:11.260 matters is whether

00:29:12.440 you're the right

00:29:13.100 or wrong kind

00:29:14.100 of guy,

00:29:14.840 if you smell

00:29:15.380 like a chud,

00:29:16.640 then any kind

00:29:18.080 of leaks

00:29:19.460 that you provide

00:29:20.280 are only in

00:29:21.720 service to the

00:29:22.500 enemy.

00:29:22.860 They're only a

00:29:23.760 mark of,

00:29:25.400 you know,

00:29:26.620 like you said,

00:29:27.560 being a traitor

00:29:28.160 to the Biden

00:29:29.260 administration and

00:29:30.000 therefore a traitor

00:29:30.780 to the United States.

00:29:32.480 Exactly right.

00:29:33.500 And I mean,

00:29:34.020 we're going to see

00:29:34.600 this, I think,

00:29:35.340 play out is that

00:29:36.800 it's going to be

00:29:37.900 very difficult.

00:29:38.600 It's already

00:29:39.180 difficult as it is

00:29:40.480 to dissent

00:29:41.260 within American

00:29:42.820 culture,

00:29:43.320 within the

00:29:43.940 broader society,

00:29:44.700 but imagine

00:29:45.140 being in these

00:29:45.680 institutions in

00:29:47.020 which you're

00:29:47.280 doing the heavy

00:29:47.780 lifting for

00:29:48.480 this regime.

00:29:50.460 How comfortable

00:29:51.320 are you going

00:29:52.040 to be coming

00:29:52.620 forward and

00:29:53.100 being identified

00:29:53.740 with somebody

00:29:54.360 who's been

00:29:54.840 smeared like

00:29:55.980 this airman,

00:29:56.900 right?

00:29:58.320 Before any

00:29:59.140 of the facts

00:29:59.700 have really

00:30:00.060 been established,

00:30:00.680 before he's

00:30:01.300 been given

00:30:01.700 a hearing,

00:30:02.600 you know,

00:30:03.240 and you're

00:30:04.600 going to find

00:30:04.980 yourself,

00:30:05.400 I mean,

00:30:05.600 we've already

00:30:06.060 seen that the

00:30:06.560 Biden

00:30:06.720 administration

00:30:07.200 has expressed

00:30:07.940 interest in

00:30:09.260 reviewing all

00:30:10.300 of the online

00:30:10.860 activities of

00:30:11.660 people that

00:30:12.080 serve in the

00:30:12.960 Biden

00:30:13.180 administration.

00:30:13.900 I mean,

00:30:14.020 we saw in

00:30:14.380 the military

00:30:14.900 that they

00:30:15.300 were already,

00:30:16.180 you know,

00:30:16.340 with the

00:30:16.640 stand down

00:30:17.160 that they

00:30:17.420 were going

00:30:17.680 to be looking

00:30:18.060 at all the

00:30:18.440 social media

00:30:18.920 activity of

00:30:19.580 these incoming

00:30:20.700 soldiers and

00:30:21.880 airmen and

00:30:22.380 Marines.

00:30:23.240 We're seeing

00:30:24.000 a lot more

00:30:24.500 of that.

00:30:25.160 The administration

00:30:26.420 has also

00:30:26.980 expressed

00:30:27.480 interest in

00:30:28.640 being able

00:30:28.940 to secure

00:30:29.620 online apps

00:30:30.760 and online

00:30:31.780 platforms and

00:30:33.220 make sure

00:30:33.800 that it can

00:30:34.600 protect itself

00:30:35.440 and protect

00:30:35.920 our national

00:30:36.480 security

00:30:36.980 interests.

00:30:38.100 So if

00:30:38.360 you're

00:30:38.520 somebody who,

00:30:39.260 let's say,

00:30:39.540 that you do

00:30:40.320 see something

00:30:40.840 wrong,

00:30:41.660 that you do

00:30:42.180 see that there

00:30:42.860 have been lies

00:30:43.500 that have been

00:30:43.820 told,

00:30:44.580 you find yourself

00:30:45.640 in a situation

00:30:46.180 where you would

00:30:46.760 be a traditional

00:30:47.340 whistleblower,

00:30:48.180 how comfortable

00:30:48.760 are you going

00:30:49.360 to be making

00:30:50.640 those moves?

00:30:52.020 You know,

00:30:52.260 knowing that your

00:30:53.080 entire life will

00:30:53.780 be opened up,

00:30:54.880 especially your

00:30:55.460 online access and

00:30:56.540 your online

00:30:56.920 activities.

00:30:57.660 I mean,

00:30:57.820 the Twitter

00:30:58.160 files have shown

00:30:58.980 us all sorts

00:30:59.600 of things on

00:31:00.740 how much

00:31:01.380 surveillance there

00:31:02.560 is.

00:31:03.400 I mean,

00:31:03.700 I think you're

00:31:04.280 going to see a

00:31:04.740 real problem

00:31:05.220 where not only

00:31:05.760 are the retention

00:31:06.400 issues and the

00:31:07.160 recruitment issues

00:31:08.660 are going to be

00:31:09.040 a lot more

00:31:09.560 pronounced in

00:31:10.560 coming years,

00:31:11.580 but the

00:31:12.620 integrity of the

00:31:13.480 people that

00:31:13.980 serve is going

00:31:14.780 to continue to

00:31:15.660 deteriorate because

00:31:16.960 this is not a

00:31:17.680 place where

00:31:18.460 traditional values

00:31:19.920 and even things

00:31:20.880 like being honest

00:31:21.920 are as important

00:31:23.040 as being loyal.

00:31:24.380 And it's not even

00:31:24.960 loyal to the

00:31:25.700 country that you

00:31:26.300 think you're

00:31:26.640 serving.

00:31:27.280 It seems to

00:31:28.300 always flow in

00:31:29.080 the direction of

00:31:29.600 being loyal to

00:31:30.820 Biden and his

00:31:31.680 regime.

00:31:32.000 And, you

00:31:33.640 know, scary

00:31:34.100 enough, that's

00:31:34.940 what you've

00:31:35.680 always got to

00:31:36.420 do if you

00:31:37.460 eventually intend

00:31:38.460 to use the

00:31:39.380 military on

00:31:40.700 your own

00:31:40.960 people, right?

00:31:41.780 Like that's the

00:31:42.880 first step to

00:31:44.240 making sure that

00:31:45.220 the Praetorian

00:31:46.140 Guard is loyal

00:31:47.360 to you and

00:31:48.740 not, you

00:31:49.320 know, the

00:31:49.920 people in

00:31:51.080 general not

00:31:51.940 working on

00:31:52.320 behalf of the

00:31:52.740 people is to

00:31:53.420 make sure to

00:31:54.020 make them feel

00:31:54.540 othered, to

00:31:55.800 make sure that

00:31:56.420 they are drawn

00:31:57.600 from sources that

00:31:58.780 are not

00:31:59.140 traditionally

00:31:59.640 like Heartland

00:32:00.500 America or

00:32:01.540 feel like the

00:32:02.680 middle of

00:32:03.220 America is

00:32:04.080 somehow evil

00:32:05.720 and working

00:32:06.720 against them

00:32:07.500 and willing to

00:32:08.300 turn on the

00:32:09.320 country at a

00:32:09.740 given moment.

00:32:10.880 You need to

00:32:11.580 paint vast

00:32:12.420 swaths of

00:32:13.680 kind of

00:32:15.140 traditional

00:32:16.720 America as

00:32:18.300 uniquely against

00:32:20.480 what it means

00:32:21.400 to be American

00:32:22.000 now so that

00:32:23.220 you can kind

00:32:23.660 of separate

00:32:24.320 and justify

00:32:25.720 loyalty only

00:32:28.140 to

00:32:28.720 the

00:32:29.300 administration

00:32:30.000 and the

00:32:30.300 progressive

00:32:30.600 movement

00:32:31.200 as a

00:32:32.040 military

00:32:32.500 not to

00:32:33.620 the general

00:32:34.680 country, the

00:32:35.500 general population

00:32:36.540 that you're

00:32:37.440 sworn to

00:32:37.820 defend.

00:32:39.000 What's better

00:32:39.920 than a well-marbled

00:32:40.800 ribeye sizzling on

00:32:41.840 the barbecue?

00:32:42.920 A well-marbled

00:32:43.780 ribeye sizzling on

00:32:44.820 the barbecue that

00:32:45.600 was carefully

00:32:46.220 selected by an

00:32:47.160 Instacart shopper and

00:32:48.200 delivered to your

00:32:48.900 door.

00:32:49.640 A well-marbled

00:32:50.500 ribeye you ordered

00:32:51.460 without even leaving

00:32:52.600 the kiddie pool.

00:32:54.120 Whatever groceries your

00:32:55.220 summer calls for,

00:32:56.460 Instacart has you

00:32:57.380 covered.

00:32:58.260 Download the

00:32:58.780 Instacart app and

00:32:59.700 enjoy $0 delivery

00:33:01.140 fees on your first

00:33:02.080 three orders.

00:33:03.140 Service fees,

00:33:03.800 exclusions, and

00:33:04.620 terms apply.

00:33:05.800 Instacart.

00:33:06.740 Groceries that

00:33:07.540 over-deliver.

00:33:08.320 Yeah, and I

00:33:10.600 think that's

00:33:11.040 exactly right.

00:33:11.800 Another problem

00:33:12.440 that we're going to

00:33:13.120 see, I think, in

00:33:13.840 coming years is

00:33:14.500 that we've seen

00:33:15.580 that the American

00:33:16.840 media is more

00:33:18.880 than comfortable

00:33:19.380 being completely

00:33:20.120 complicit with

00:33:21.360 the agenda and

00:33:23.000 priorities of a

00:33:24.880 left-wing

00:33:25.340 government, right?

00:33:26.400 I think you would

00:33:27.060 see a difference,

00:33:27.900 obviously, if this

00:33:28.640 was maybe President

00:33:29.780 Trump returning to

00:33:30.980 office, but you

00:33:32.400 see that the media

00:33:33.120 has no qualms in

00:33:35.780 supporting and

00:33:37.260 furthering the

00:33:38.320 interests of a

00:33:39.640 Democrat president.

00:33:41.220 And this gets to

00:33:42.080 be very difficult

00:33:42.780 and dangerous as

00:33:43.720 well, is that

00:33:44.840 if an intelligence

00:33:47.340 service is limited

00:33:48.380 by the

00:33:49.020 Constitution, there's

00:33:51.080 the Fourth Amendment,

00:33:52.240 hopefully.

00:33:53.000 And we've seen

00:33:53.580 that obviously

00:33:55.100 deteriorate in

00:33:55.960 recent years, but

00:33:57.420 there are certain

00:33:58.180 protections that

00:33:59.260 still exist that

00:34:00.200 you can still bring

00:34:01.360 in a court of

00:34:01.860 law.

00:34:02.640 But these same

00:34:03.580 restrictions don't

00:34:04.240 exist for

00:34:04.660 journalists.

00:34:05.380 They don't exist

00:34:05.960 for quote-unquote

00:34:06.820 researchers.

00:34:07.560 And for

00:34:08.280 entities like

00:34:08.900 Bellingcat.

00:34:10.020 And so if

00:34:10.840 the enemy is

00:34:12.160 seen by the

00:34:13.200 administration, if

00:34:14.220 the enemy is

00:34:14.680 seen by journalists

00:34:15.720 who identify solely

00:34:17.360 with the interests of

00:34:18.340 the administration,

00:34:19.940 you know, the enemy

00:34:20.780 is going to be in

00:34:21.720 Heartland America.

00:34:22.320 The enemy is your

00:34:23.460 average American

00:34:24.100 citizen.

00:34:25.440 These same tools

00:34:26.480 that these

00:34:27.860 intelligence services

00:34:28.940 can, they rely on

00:34:30.780 the media to do

00:34:31.520 their work, whether

00:34:32.380 it's identifying a

00:34:33.380 problem, whether it's

00:34:35.020 highlighting somebody

00:34:36.020 who has what they

00:34:37.200 determine to be

00:34:37.880 extremist views.

00:34:39.180 You know, this

00:34:39.800 symbiotic relationship

00:34:40.860 is going to continue

00:34:41.860 forward.

00:34:42.460 It's going to work

00:34:43.180 together.

00:34:43.740 I mean, we did see

00:34:44.480 that with January 6th

00:34:45.860 in which people that

00:34:46.840 didn't even walk into

00:34:47.680 the Capitol were being

00:34:48.460 identified by

00:34:49.140 journalists, and then

00:34:50.140 their information was

00:34:50.900 being sent over to

00:34:51.760 the FBI.

00:34:52.800 So, you know, this is

00:34:53.920 just another step in

00:34:55.280 this same progression

00:34:56.920 that we have been

00:34:57.660 watching unfold for the

00:34:58.980 last decade, and it's

00:35:00.640 really troubling.

00:35:01.500 You know, for those

00:35:02.400 of us who don't, we

00:35:03.400 maybe, you know, in

00:35:04.460 the past, we could

00:35:05.180 say, well, I'm not

00:35:05.880 necessarily breaking

00:35:06.520 the law here.

00:35:07.620 I just have different

00:35:08.520 opinions.

00:35:09.640 You know, I can't, the

00:35:11.180 FBI is not going to

00:35:11.780 have a problem with me

00:35:12.400 necessarily, but

00:35:14.280 journalists will have a

00:35:15.020 problem with you, and

00:35:16.040 that they can identify

00:35:16.840 you, and they can see

00:35:17.940 you as a threat, and

00:35:18.800 they can be surveilling

00:35:20.300 you.

00:35:20.920 And so if the time

00:35:22.020 comes where you're in

00:35:23.040 a situation in which

00:35:24.620 things are moving fast,

00:35:25.940 can you really rely on

00:35:27.520 the old protections

00:35:28.900 that would have

00:35:29.700 protected you from

00:35:30.900 a tyrannical

00:35:32.440 government?

00:35:33.160 And that, this is the

00:35:34.080 real new terrain that

00:35:35.080 we're in now, is that

00:35:36.640 we're not just dealing,

00:35:37.840 this is not just

00:35:38.520 private sector, public

00:35:39.580 sector.

00:35:40.020 This is an entity that

00:35:41.040 blurs both of those

00:35:42.420 spheres.

00:35:43.440 They occupy both.

00:35:45.500 And so this is why I

00:35:46.680 think it's so important,

00:35:47.460 and I love what you do,

00:35:48.260 Arne, is talking about

00:35:49.180 power, because power,

00:35:51.060 there's a soft power

00:35:52.160 element here, and it

00:35:53.700 was used in this case,

00:35:55.500 and we should be very

00:35:56.360 careful about how we

00:35:57.820 look at this problem,

00:35:59.040 that it's not solely

00:35:59.920 hard power.

00:36:00.520 This is soft power,

00:36:01.560 hard power together.

00:36:03.620 Yeah, I think that's

00:36:04.520 so important.

00:36:05.480 And look, I'm just

00:36:07.040 talking to the

00:36:09.100 conservatives who

00:36:09.900 watch this, kind of

00:36:11.020 your standard, rocked

00:36:12.940 rib, GOP, mainstream

00:36:14.680 people who end up

00:36:16.060 watching this.

00:36:16.760 I just want to say, I

00:36:19.660 understand the desire to

00:36:23.480 believe that the

00:36:25.580 Constitution is still a

00:36:26.800 document that restricts

00:36:28.220 your government and still

00:36:29.660 guarantees you rights, but

00:36:31.560 you really need to hear

00:36:32.580 what Lafayette just said

00:36:34.020 to you, okay?

00:36:34.720 So there are some levels

00:36:36.940 at which kind of the

00:36:38.360 vestigial parts of, you

00:36:40.420 know, or the remaining

00:36:41.740 parts of the Constitution

00:36:43.280 that are still somewhat

00:36:44.220 respected do require the

00:36:47.400 government to find ways

00:36:48.740 around and do things

00:36:51.060 that, to do the things

00:36:51.880 they want to do, but they

00:36:52.700 are finding the ways

00:36:53.620 around, okay?

00:36:54.540 Governments always want to

00:36:56.520 centralize.

00:36:57.320 Power always wants to

00:36:58.860 gather more power to

00:36:59.660 itself and bring it under

00:37:00.840 one central control.

00:37:02.240 And so that means the

00:37:03.600 government will adapt and

00:37:05.260 overcome in order to work

00:37:08.280 its way around the

00:37:09.480 amendments.

00:37:09.860 The Bill of Rights are

00:37:10.700 not magic.

00:37:12.020 The Constitution is not a

00:37:13.620 magical spell.

00:37:15.220 They're words on paper.

00:37:16.360 And if they're not

00:37:16.700 enforced by the people,

00:37:19.740 if they're not enforced

00:37:20.680 and respected by the

00:37:22.860 government, then they

00:37:24.260 don't mean anything.

00:37:25.720 And the government has

00:37:27.480 found a way around your

00:37:28.960 constitutional rights, and

00:37:30.200 its way around your

00:37:31.340 constitutional rights is

00:37:32.980 its marriage to the

00:37:34.140 private sector.

00:37:35.120 But because conservatives

00:37:36.520 and libertarians are so

00:37:37.780 married to this idea of a

00:37:39.000 public-private distinction

00:37:40.080 that protects them from

00:37:42.200 big government, they have

00:37:44.480 a hard time seeing this.

00:37:46.140 But just like Lafayette

00:37:46.920 said, we know for a fact

00:37:49.220 that the government uses

00:37:51.160 social media sites, uses

00:37:54.560 journalists, uses large

00:37:57.260 corporations to subvert the

00:38:00.060 Constitution, to ignore

00:38:02.160 explicit protections in

00:38:04.020 places like the First and

00:38:05.060 Fourth Amendment.

00:38:06.320 We know this.

00:38:07.040 This is not speculation.

00:38:07.980 They do it.

00:38:08.780 They do it all the time.

00:38:10.240 They do it for a

00:38:11.040 particular purpose because

00:38:12.780 it allows them to avoid

00:38:14.420 any of the messy court

00:38:16.520 issues that they would run

00:38:18.620 into, any of the legal

00:38:19.380 issues they would run into

00:38:20.640 if they did it directly.

00:38:23.220 But they have this power.

00:38:24.760 Don't lie to yourselves

00:38:25.720 about the kind of power

00:38:26.620 they have.

00:38:28.100 Yeah, the journalist can't

00:38:29.260 put you in a gulag.

00:38:30.400 All he can do is make sure

00:38:32.480 that you lose your job,

00:38:34.380 that you can never use a

00:38:37.120 bank again, that none of

00:38:38.660 your friends will ever talk

00:38:39.660 to you again, that your

00:38:41.500 wife will divorce and your

00:38:42.500 kids will never look at you

00:38:43.700 again.

00:38:44.500 But other than that, you're

00:38:45.680 totally free, right?

00:38:47.860 And increasingly, the

00:38:48.860 journalist can put you in a

00:38:50.140 gulag.

00:38:50.640 I mean, look at Douglas

00:38:51.640 Mackey.

00:38:53.020 Look at what look at what's

00:38:54.420 happening to free speech in

00:38:56.400 this country.

00:38:56.980 Look at what's happening to

00:38:59.120 due process and your ability

00:39:01.460 to have any kind of

00:39:03.100 protection from the

00:39:04.580 government searching you,

00:39:06.080 knowing everything about you

00:39:07.200 and leveraging that against

00:39:08.120 you.

00:39:08.600 Just because they don't do it

00:39:09.900 explicitly through the

00:39:11.800 government doesn't mean it's

00:39:12.980 not happening.

00:39:14.420 Do not be fooled by this

00:39:15.920 public-private distinction.

00:39:17.680 Those lines are not there

00:39:18.840 anymore, if they ever were.

00:39:21.100 And you cannot treat the

00:39:22.720 government and these

00:39:23.600 corporations that work hand

00:39:25.100 in hand with them,

00:39:25.780 government and journalists

00:39:27.180 that work hand in hand

00:39:28.080 together to destroy their

00:39:29.580 progressive enemies or their

00:39:31.360 enemies of progressivism.

00:39:33.320 You cannot treat them as

00:39:34.780 separate entities.

00:39:35.700 They work together.

00:39:36.460 They collude.

00:39:37.240 They are one unified force.

00:39:40.160 It might be a oligarchy.

00:39:42.380 It might be a

00:39:43.240 it might be a distributed

00:39:45.260 force, but it's still a

00:39:47.820 force working for one

00:39:49.100 particular purpose.

00:39:49.940 And you have to understand

00:39:51.040 that.

00:39:52.420 But that said, Lafayette,

00:39:54.480 you said something

00:39:55.260 interesting that I think

00:39:57.540 we could maybe touch on

00:39:58.560 real quick.

00:39:59.080 You said many of this

00:40:00.560 much of this is what

00:40:01.720 they want us to see.

00:40:04.000 They what they want us to

00:40:05.580 know.

00:40:06.080 Now, like we said at the

00:40:07.240 beginning, much of this is

00:40:08.620 stuff that if you've been

00:40:09.460 paying attention, you could

00:40:10.260 have already figured out

00:40:11.280 like we already knew that

00:40:12.760 special forces were going

00:40:13.860 to be in there from NATO

00:40:15.260 units.

00:40:15.860 We already knew that

00:40:17.920 Ukraine was not

00:40:19.620 performing the way that the

00:40:21.000 media was saying that they

00:40:22.000 were.

00:40:22.300 We already knew that this

00:40:23.860 kind of aircraft imbalance

00:40:24.920 and other issues in here.

00:40:26.520 But why would the

00:40:27.760 government want us to

00:40:28.900 know this now?

00:40:30.720 Is this just them

00:40:32.100 kind of making the best of

00:40:34.100 a bad situation with this

00:40:35.140 information out there?

00:40:36.160 Or is there some kind of

00:40:37.360 advantage in slowly leaking

00:40:38.980 to people that certain

00:40:40.780 aspects of this war are

00:40:43.160 not what they first

00:40:44.060 appeared?

00:40:44.420 I mean, I I haven't come

00:40:48.080 to a I'll be honest, I've

00:40:49.280 not come to a firm

00:40:50.500 conclusion on how what I

00:40:53.140 think is is what I think

00:40:54.900 Uncle Sam is doing here.

00:40:56.680 But I do think that we need

00:40:58.140 to keep in mind that this

00:40:59.720 if it were possible that

00:41:02.160 that these that these leaks

00:41:04.800 were known in advance or

00:41:06.080 that there were other there

00:41:07.320 are other details that we're

00:41:08.460 not privy to that show that

00:41:10.460 that this furthers an agenda.

00:41:12.520 I mean, this wouldn't be the

00:41:13.560 first time and that's what

00:41:14.980 I think we always need to

00:41:16.080 have that self that healthy

00:41:17.760 skepticism as we look at

00:41:19.940 these things because you're

00:41:21.580 not you're you're dealing

00:41:22.980 with an entity that has

00:41:24.440 used the power of

00:41:25.700 information war to great

00:41:26.960 effect many times in the

00:41:28.320 past, especially when it

00:41:29.360 comes to war is that we've

00:41:31.220 been involved in many wars,

00:41:32.880 you know, from the past

00:41:34.420 hundred hundred years where

00:41:36.500 the media journalists have

00:41:39.040 been at the tip of that

00:41:40.040 spear and that, you know,

00:41:41.940 revelations about maybe

00:41:43.240 enemy intentions or

00:41:44.380 revelations about, you

00:41:45.880 know, our our own our own

00:41:47.660 movements have been used

00:41:49.460 that appear to be damaging

00:41:51.400 or embarrassing to the

00:41:52.720 government, but have

00:41:53.380 actually been used in a

00:41:55.340 cynical way and in a way to

00:41:57.180 further an agenda.

00:41:58.240 I mean, it's obvious to

00:41:59.700 anybody who's been watching

00:42:00.820 this war for the last year

00:42:02.120 that the U.S.

00:42:02.700 government has wanted to be

00:42:04.020 in a war with Russia.

00:42:06.300 And there has been a lot of

00:42:07.660 talking around that.

00:42:09.700 You know, Biden has

00:42:10.200 reassured us that there would

00:42:11.140 be no U.S.

00:42:12.140 troops there.

00:42:13.060 Obviously, if there are U.S.

00:42:14.280 troops in that area, that

00:42:15.580 would that could trigger

00:42:16.640 something like the War

00:42:17.440 Powers Resolution.

00:42:18.400 So, you know, people have

00:42:19.420 been watching this and paying

00:42:20.480 close attention to make sure

00:42:21.760 that, you know, that we're,

00:42:23.900 you know, that we're just

00:42:24.880 playing a, you know, a

00:42:26.480 lend-lease type role like we

00:42:27.860 did in World War II.

00:42:29.340 But as you recall, you know,

00:42:30.860 we hit we entered World War

00:42:32.300 II.

00:42:33.020 Right.

00:42:33.120 And so, like you said, this

00:42:35.460 is very important to remember

00:42:36.660 is that we're not dealing,

00:42:37.780 we're dealing with an entity

00:42:38.980 that has used this in, in, in

00:42:42.240 a surreptitious way before.

00:42:44.120 And so, you know, I return to

00:42:45.980 this that we're dealing with a

00:42:47.560 black box situation.

00:42:48.900 If we, if we can't trust

00:42:50.320 journalists and we can't really

00:42:51.860 necessarily trust the, the, the

00:42:54.160 U.S. security state, you

00:42:56.460 know, what we're getting and

00:42:57.600 what we're seeing, you have to

00:42:58.720 be very skeptical.

00:42:59.480 Like, am I, what am I seeing

00:43:01.300 out of this?

00:43:01.640 I mean, there's a tranche of,

00:43:02.940 of classified documents in

00:43:04.480 this, you know, what is the

00:43:05.720 media talking about the most

00:43:07.020 and what is, what are they

00:43:08.060 not talking about?

00:43:09.260 Those are the kinds of

00:43:10.160 questions we should be asking

00:43:11.160 ourselves as we look at this

00:43:12.560 situation and we try to

00:43:13.760 understand, like, where are we

00:43:15.080 moving with this?

00:43:16.520 And I mean, we do know that,

00:43:18.320 you know, the intel community

00:43:19.800 was, was touting how much they

00:43:21.980 used a lot of the intelligence

00:43:23.840 being very transparent, as they

00:43:25.680 put it, um, in the beginning

00:43:27.360 of this to, to further, you

00:43:30.100 know, to, you know, help

00:43:31.160 Ukraine and to undermine the

00:43:33.040 morale of, of, of Russian

00:43:34.760 soldiers.

00:43:35.460 You know, we, we've heard

00:43:36.500 this.

00:43:37.480 So if we look at the

00:43:39.420 journalists that are reporting

00:43:40.240 on this now and we see what

00:43:41.820 they are, what they find to be

00:43:43.280 important, I think you can

00:43:44.740 safely assume that it's what

00:43:46.600 the U.S.

00:43:47.460 government, uh, believes is

00:43:49.420 important, what they want you

00:43:50.920 to see.

00:43:52.200 Yeah.

00:43:52.680 I think it's really

00:43:53.280 interesting.

00:43:53.820 Some of the timing of this

00:43:55.200 too, because we're also seeing

00:43:57.060 simultaneously while this

00:43:58.640 happened, a lot of people

00:44:00.660 revising their sunny,

00:44:03.240 optimistic looks at this war,

00:44:06.620 you know, early on the story

00:44:08.440 from the Biden administration

00:44:09.620 was, we're going to tank the

00:44:11.500 ruble, you know, we're going

00:44:12.360 to destroy this currency.

00:44:13.800 We're going to destroy, uh,

00:44:15.700 we're going to isolate Russia

00:44:16.820 with sanctions.

00:44:17.680 We're going to make sure that,

00:44:19.700 uh, their currency is worthless

00:44:21.180 and they have no supplies and

00:44:22.800 we're just going to strangle

00:44:23.740 them out.

00:44:24.240 And there was very much

00:44:25.700 this, you know, uh, very

00:44:27.060 excited Charlie Wilson's war

00:44:28.880 style, you know, bleed Russia

00:44:30.540 dry.

00:44:31.180 We'll, we'll fight them to the

00:44:32.440 last Ukrainian and make sure

00:44:33.900 that there's just basically no

00:44:35.860 opposition to NATO hegemony,

00:44:38.580 uh, left.

00:44:40.260 There's just no option of that.

00:44:41.640 What we've seen of course now is

00:44:44.440 the United States in a much more

00:44:47.440 dire financial situation, uh,

00:44:50.760 that, you know, we, we've seen

00:44:52.880 obviously the, uh, the gas

00:44:55.060 prices, uh, supply chain issues,

00:44:57.840 everything that followed in the

00:44:59.280 wake of the Ukraine war that

00:45:00.500 was already on its way to being

00:45:02.420 in a difficult situation, only

00:45:04.020 exacerbated.

00:45:05.060 We're still looking at the

00:45:06.900 possibility of some of those

00:45:07.720 second and third order effects

00:45:09.100 that'll come from lack of

00:45:10.420 production of things like

00:45:11.140 fertilizer, where we still

00:45:12.800 haven't seen what the full, uh,

00:45:15.020 impact of that will be.

00:45:16.360 And now we're seeing the

00:45:17.740 problem of, uh, you know,

00:45:19.860 possible de-dollarization

00:45:21.540 where these different, uh,

00:45:23.900 countries are talking about

00:45:25.360 trading in different dollars,

00:45:26.940 abandoning the petrodollar, uh,

00:45:29.500 and really putting the United

00:45:30.840 States, who's already had a

00:45:32.740 couple of bank runs here

00:45:34.060 recently on some pretty dire

00:45:36.100 footing.

00:45:36.740 And so you have to wonder if

00:45:38.780 there isn't some, I don't know,

00:45:41.640 it's, it seems like the, this

00:45:43.480 is kind of the beauty of the

00:45:44.760 thing, I guess, at some points

00:45:46.100 the cathedral, it doesn't, it

00:45:48.100 doesn't all, it's not just one

00:45:49.720 unified whole all the time.

00:45:51.300 It's a, it's this decentralized

00:45:52.820 network.

00:45:53.320 And so different parts of the

00:45:54.920 ship trying to turn themselves

00:45:56.160 at different times.

00:45:57.380 And so you have some people

00:45:58.360 are still hard line.

00:45:59.500 We've got to be in your crane.

00:46:01.100 This is the, this is the deal

00:46:02.480 no matter what, but it feels

00:46:04.060 like some parts of the

00:46:05.060 administration or some parts of

00:46:06.500 the narrative might be saying

00:46:07.740 maybe getting out while we can

00:46:10.080 is good.

00:46:10.820 And letting people know that

00:46:12.640 things aren't as rosy will

00:46:13.940 make it easier to, for us to

00:46:15.460 just disinvest from this when

00:46:17.580 we eventually need to, of

00:46:18.780 course, all of that is wild

00:46:19.740 speculation, but it just

00:46:21.420 seems like a lot of this

00:46:22.340 stuff is, uh, happening

00:46:24.080 simultaneously in a very

00:46:25.340 interesting way.

00:46:26.720 I, I agree.

00:46:27.840 I've also entertained that

00:46:29.120 thought as well.

00:46:29.820 And I, I think what, what's

00:46:31.700 the tell, if that is true,

00:46:33.260 what's the tell for me is

00:46:34.320 that, you know, they found

00:46:35.460 the scapegoat, not only

00:46:36.840 Russia as the, you know,

00:46:37.820 Russians are bad and that,

00:46:39.280 you know, Putin's a horrible

00:46:41.180 person and so on and so forth,

00:46:43.080 but also that, you know,

00:46:45.080 that this airman who embodies,

00:46:47.980 you know, for the left and

00:46:49.500 embody for the establishment

00:46:51.120 really embodies kind of the,

00:46:52.600 the problem, which is, you

00:46:55.080 know, these, these, these

00:46:57.620 backward reactionary conservative

00:47:01.060 types that might be a little

00:47:02.620 bit reluctant on this

00:47:04.060 situation that might not be

00:47:05.120 fully supportive of everything

00:47:06.560 that Biden has done with the

00:47:07.900 Ukraine war, you know, they're

00:47:10.000 the problem.

00:47:10.660 Um, and if, and if we have to

00:47:12.400 pull back, it was probably

00:47:13.500 because of them, you know,

00:47:14.680 and so these kinds of things,

00:47:16.020 this is where usually I, you

00:47:18.040 know, somebody who's, I've

00:47:19.200 been watching these, these

00:47:20.620 wars for 20 years now, and

00:47:22.740 you, you see that usually

00:47:24.100 when, when we start to falter

00:47:26.000 or we haven't, we need to make

00:47:27.360 a pivot, there's always going

00:47:29.160 to be a useful scapegoat.

00:47:30.940 And so if it is true that we

00:47:32.560 are pivoting, I mean, you now

00:47:33.760 have the, the perfect scapegoat.

00:47:35.700 I mean, you can go on Twitter

00:47:36.480 and see how many times people

00:47:37.780 are talking about how this

00:47:39.700 airman is really kind of, he's

00:47:41.660 a, he's a cutout for millions

00:47:43.780 of Americans in the country.

00:47:45.140 He's a cutout for president

00:47:46.120 Trump.

00:47:46.580 I mean, whoever the villain

00:47:47.840 is, but it's, it's going to

00:47:50.060 be seen as this is an

00:47:51.360 adversary and oppositional

00:47:52.720 force that has undermined our

00:47:54.240 efforts.

00:47:55.300 That always is the tell for me

00:47:57.480 that if we are going to do a

00:47:59.380 pivot, well, now we have the

00:48:00.500 scapegoat and that seems to

00:48:01.820 be the pattern.

00:48:03.540 Yeah.

00:48:03.620 I think it's really important

00:48:04.780 to note that the, the media

00:48:07.420 narrative is key here.

00:48:09.980 And one of the reasons the

00:48:11.400 progressives are so far ahead

00:48:12.780 of this, one of the things

00:48:13.620 and thing reasons that the

00:48:15.000 cathedral is good at what it

00:48:15.960 does is that there's just

00:48:18.500 never, nothing, nothing's ever

00:48:19.840 left on the table.

00:48:20.660 Even a loss turns into some

00:48:22.040 kind of propaganda win.

00:48:23.380 And so if you have to step back

00:48:25.580 from a project, if you have to

00:48:26.780 step back from, uh, some kind of

00:48:29.200 foreign policy adventurism, if you

00:48:31.460 have to take an L in one way,

00:48:33.560 make sure that you have a way

00:48:34.820 to transition that energy into

00:48:36.900 some kind of domestic victory.

00:48:39.100 And so this kind of frame

00:48:40.780 manipulation allows that.

00:48:42.580 And once again, of course, it

00:48:43.640 falls on the shoulder of

00:48:44.640 gamers everywhere.

00:48:46.340 Our people are oppressed

00:48:47.580 everywhere.

00:48:48.300 They cry out for freedom.

00:48:49.780 All they wanted to do is game.

00:48:51.600 And yet they are once again in

00:48:53.980 the crosshairs of the media.

00:48:56.540 All right, guys, well, we're

00:48:57.800 going to move over to the

00:48:59.560 questions of the people, people

00:49:00.920 here real quick.

00:49:01.860 We've got some super chats, but

00:49:03.220 before we do that, Lafayette, can

00:49:05.020 you let people know where they

00:49:06.400 can find your excellent work?

00:49:08.780 Absolutely.

00:49:09.520 So, um, uh, like Aaron said, I'm

00:49:12.160 with I am 1776.

00:49:13.580 I'm a contributing editor over

00:49:14.800 there.

00:49:15.100 We have several stories coming

00:49:16.700 out.

00:49:16.860 We have some that we just, I

00:49:18.560 retweeted one about Ukraine

00:49:19.800 earlier, uh, written by Sam

00:49:21.540 Finley.

00:49:22.280 Um, you can also find me on my

00:49:24.320 sub stack is ruins.substack.com.

00:49:26.840 And I'm on Twitter at

00:49:28.080 partisan underscore O.

00:49:31.100 Absolutely guys.

00:49:31.860 All right, let's go ahead and

00:49:32.740 check out the questions here.

00:49:34.760 Paladin YYZ for $25.

00:49:38.000 Thank you very much.

00:49:39.520 Your last video permanent

00:49:40.820 revolution of the total sweet

00:49:42.160 state was, uh, such a

00:49:44.440 perfectly distilled recap of

00:49:46.600 the mechanics of power and

00:49:47.660 ideology.

00:49:48.380 You're truly a town, uh, talented,

00:49:50.360 uh, not sure.

00:49:52.680 Quasar in this space.

00:49:54.020 Well, thank you very much,

00:49:55.140 man.

00:49:55.240 I really appreciate it.

00:49:56.160 I try to, I try to pull these

00:49:57.880 things together.

00:49:58.580 You know, we're in a space.

00:50:00.200 A lot of you guys have been

00:50:00.960 here from the beginning and I

00:50:02.940 appreciate you.

00:50:03.960 You're it's awesome to have

00:50:05.940 built this community the way

00:50:08.160 that we have, uh, especially

00:50:10.340 the way everything started.

00:50:12.060 But there are many people who

00:50:13.580 are just unaware of some of the

00:50:14.900 topics we've talked about and

00:50:16.840 some of the mechanics that

00:50:17.840 we've talked about.

00:50:19.180 And Bertrand Juvenal is

00:50:20.520 somebody who I've talked about

00:50:21.480 multiple times, but I never got

00:50:22.940 to talk about his high, low

00:50:24.720 versus middle aspect,

00:50:26.800 particularly in like a video.

00:50:28.700 So I'm always looking for

00:50:29.440 those opportunities to go

00:50:30.380 back and kind of bring the

00:50:32.940 things that we talked about

00:50:34.040 before to the new audience

00:50:35.780 while also giving you guys

00:50:37.620 kind of something that we

00:50:39.300 didn't go over before kind of

00:50:40.900 bringing another piece of the

00:50:42.560 puzzle together.

00:50:43.120 And I, a lot of people like

00:50:44.300 that video.

00:50:44.860 So thank you.

00:50:45.780 I really appreciate it.

00:50:46.580 I'm glad that's working for

00:50:47.460 people.

00:50:47.940 Uh, it's, it's, it's an

00:50:49.320 honor to be able to do this

00:50:50.320 guys.

00:50:50.520 Really.

00:50:50.800 It's, it's, it's amazing

00:50:52.440 every day that I, that

00:50:53.720 people want to hear me talk

00:50:54.980 about this stuff.

00:50:55.720 So, uh, thank you so much.

00:50:57.340 I really appreciate it.

00:50:58.800 Um, creeper weirdo here for

00:51:01.320 $2.

00:51:02.140 So you guys are saying that

00:51:03.280 this whole thing glows.

00:51:04.840 Yes.

00:51:05.460 Glows in the dark as you

00:51:08.000 would expect.

00:51:09.240 Uh, let's see here.

00:51:10.800 We've got, uh, Charby

00:51:13.260 XU for $5.

00:51:16.480 Uh, what do you think of the

00:51:18.220 talk about D dollarization?

00:51:20.020 Do you think the Ukraine

00:51:21.340 conflict could lead to, uh,

00:51:23.040 eventual D dollarization?

00:51:24.300 Love your show or, and

00:51:25.020 well, thank you very much,

00:51:26.100 man.

00:51:26.280 And yeah, we kind of talked

00:51:27.220 about that a little bit.

00:51:28.680 Um, obviously, but, uh,

00:51:30.520 yeah, D dollarization is

00:51:31.960 obviously very dangerous for

00:51:34.020 the United States, very

00:51:35.480 dangerous for the wider

00:51:36.920 Western empire.

00:51:38.920 Um, if that happens, then

00:51:41.300 you really are looking at the

00:51:42.820 possibility of a multipolar

00:51:44.540 world emerging once again,

00:51:46.460 right now, all of our

00:51:48.740 economies run on cheap

00:51:50.840 energy and the ability to

00:51:52.800 have this flow of it kind

00:51:55.200 of throughout the system

00:51:56.200 and any disruption to the

00:51:58.700 United States ability to

00:52:00.300 kind of leverage that into

00:52:02.240 basically printing press for

00:52:03.960 money disrupts a lot of

00:52:05.660 what kind of our regime

00:52:06.840 wants to do.

00:52:07.620 I mean, there are guys who

00:52:08.400 come on here who are way

00:52:09.460 more, uh, sound on fiscal

00:52:11.500 policy.

00:52:12.160 I'm, I'm, I'm just a fiscal

00:52:13.960 policy enjoyer.

00:52:14.960 I am not a, I'm not an

00:52:16.060 expert of any kind.

00:52:17.380 Uh, but of course I've had

00:52:18.480 many people like radical

00:52:19.480 liberation, liberation and

00:52:20.760 black horse and, uh, uh,

00:52:22.980 and others come on and

00:52:24.040 explain to you kind of the

00:52:25.080 significance of that.

00:52:27.040 And so I think that is a

00:52:28.200 very real threat to the

00:52:29.880 administration's really, uh,

00:52:31.960 real threat to kind of the

00:52:33.540 wider, uh, project, uh,

00:52:36.240 progressives need a lot of

00:52:37.560 this to work simultaneously.

00:52:38.880 Guys, if you're looking for

00:52:40.100 a white pill today, uh,

00:52:41.760 remember that, um, a large

00:52:44.180 amount of this has to work

00:52:45.680 simultaneously for the left

00:52:46.960 to kind of keep doing what

00:52:47.820 they're doing there.

00:52:48.420 They're fundamentally writing

00:52:49.280 checks.

00:52:49.700 They can never, uh, properly

00:52:51.940 pay for.

00:52:52.700 And so they're, they're

00:52:53.600 floating a lot of this out

00:52:54.860 into the ether, hoping that

00:52:56.040 no one ever once just pulls

00:52:58.880 one brick kind of out of the

00:53:00.460 tower.

00:53:01.740 And, uh, it will happen.

00:53:03.560 Uh, eventually, um, the

00:53:05.300 thing, the ride down probably

00:53:06.540 won't be too fun for anybody.

00:53:08.640 Uh, but this thing is not

00:53:09.900 immortal.

00:53:10.280 You can't just keep doing that,

00:53:11.780 that, which you can't go on

00:53:13.200 won't.

00:53:14.120 And, uh, these, these people

00:53:15.260 can't continue, uh, to

00:53:17.780 fabricate money and, and power

00:53:20.420 and ideology, uh, and in

00:53:23.180 denial of reality forever.

00:53:24.780 Eventually there, there does

00:53:25.880 come a cost for that.

00:53:27.680 Um, Paladin YYZ for $25.

00:53:31.600 Are there no attorneys able to

00:53:32.840 represent these cases?

00:53:34.900 Well, that's a really good

00:53:36.280 point, uh, because as you

00:53:38.360 might be aware or might not be

00:53:40.140 aware, there has been a very,

00:53:42.320 uh, concerted effort by

00:53:44.740 different, uh, organizations,

00:53:46.840 bar associations, illegal

00:53:48.640 people in the legal profession,

00:53:49.860 uh, uh, actual, uh, legal,

00:53:52.780 actual, uh, government

00:53:53.980 entities to punish people who

00:53:57.260 not only have worked for say

00:53:58.920 the Trump administration, but

00:54:00.580 people who have defended the

00:54:01.900 Trump administration or let

00:54:03.160 their legal opinions to the

00:54:05.160 Trump administration.

00:54:06.060 And so I think there are

00:54:07.960 many attorneys out there who

00:54:09.980 kind of catch the way the

00:54:11.940 winds are blowing and know

00:54:13.540 that putting themselves, you

00:54:14.900 know, used to be that if you

00:54:15.800 got a high profile case

00:54:17.160 defending somebody against the

00:54:18.920 government, that could make

00:54:20.100 your career.

00:54:20.780 But I think today, many people

00:54:22.600 know that would break their

00:54:24.020 career if they put themselves

00:54:25.700 between one of these guys and

00:54:29.100 the state.

00:54:30.200 Now there are still people out

00:54:31.840 there doing it and that does,

00:54:33.580 you should give them a certain

00:54:35.340 amount of respect.

00:54:36.220 They should be, uh, you should

00:54:38.020 appreciate these people who

00:54:39.060 are putting it on the line to

00:54:40.200 defense, defend people like

00:54:41.560 Doug Mackey and others who are

00:54:43.220 just wildly unpopular and have

00:54:45.080 no support in any of the halls

00:54:46.720 of power, but just deserve a

00:54:48.920 legal defense.

00:54:49.880 And so the people who are still

00:54:50.980 putting themselves in that

00:54:52.040 position should, uh, receive

00:54:54.540 your, your respect and support.

00:54:57.240 And there are people building,

00:54:59.100 you know, illegal movements and

00:55:01.080 funds to help defend these

00:55:02.800 people, but there are

00:55:04.360 difficulties with that.

00:55:05.520 It's obvious that the

00:55:06.440 government is willing to go

00:55:07.500 after and private organizations

00:55:09.120 like GoFundMe and stuff are

00:55:10.460 willing to go after funds when

00:55:12.540 you build them up to, uh, kind

00:55:14.800 of protect people who are out of

00:55:16.840 favor with the regime.

00:55:18.520 Uh, and so there are many

00:55:19.980 barriers to overcome, but one of

00:55:21.420 the things that the right has to

00:55:22.720 do is build up legal defense.

00:55:24.260 It has to build up the ability to,

00:55:26.440 to do lawfare.

00:55:27.320 Uh, if it can't do that, then

00:55:28.920 it's in serious trouble.

00:55:30.140 Uh, Thuggo here for $5, the

00:55:35.080 fact that they lie about, uh,

00:55:36.620 about with zero consideration,

00:55:38.920 lie about this with zero

00:55:40.020 consideration shows a low level

00:55:41.560 of respect to the people.

00:55:42.840 Is there anything they wouldn't

00:55:44.180 do?

00:55:44.480 Uh, no, sorry.

00:55:46.420 That's, that's, uh, that one

00:55:48.240 unfortunately is far too easy, uh,

00:55:50.780 to answer.

00:55:51.820 Uh, but no, uh, there, there

00:55:53.480 is, uh, to no level, no level to

00:55:55.540 which they would not stoop.

00:55:56.600 Um, and, uh, they do hold, uh,

00:55:59.340 the people in the deepest

00:56:00.860 contempt.

00:56:01.640 Uh, and you should not expect

00:56:03.100 that to change anytime, uh, soon.

00:56:06.200 Uh, sorry, I ran through all

00:56:07.600 those real quick.

00:56:08.200 Did you have anything you

00:56:09.120 wanted to jump in there,

00:56:10.040 Lafayette, on any of those

00:56:10.900 questions?

00:56:11.740 I just kind of ran over you

00:56:12.580 there.

00:56:13.320 Yeah, no, I, I liked what you

00:56:14.760 said about the white pill and I

00:56:16.260 know that we all need that.

00:56:17.760 Um, you know, I think you're

00:56:19.260 right.

00:56:19.540 We are entering into a

00:56:20.820 multipolar world and, um, it

00:56:23.760 can seem like the world is

00:56:24.960 ending for us and in many

00:56:27.200 ways, an old world is

00:56:28.340 ending, but a new one's

00:56:29.240 beginning.

00:56:29.540 And I think for those that are

00:56:31.180 listening, it's important to

00:56:32.260 remember that, you know, the,

00:56:34.400 the globalization that we all

00:56:35.860 kind of grew up with is, is

00:56:38.020 changing forever.

00:56:38.800 And that this puts stress on

00:56:40.720 these elites and these

00:56:42.000 institutions in ways we can

00:56:43.360 hardly comprehend.

00:56:44.620 I think we're going to see a

00:56:46.060 rise of regional orders.

00:56:47.000 And I think we're going to see

00:56:48.140 a lot of opportunity out there

00:56:49.620 for us to seize, uh, for us to

00:56:51.500 have a better life, uh, for us

00:56:52.780 to have a more accountable, uh,

00:56:55.240 state.

00:56:56.120 And so I think that in a lot of

00:56:57.760 ways is to, even though this

00:56:59.260 always feels like a runaway

00:57:01.740 train, you have to understand

00:57:03.620 that those who, that view, view

00:57:06.180 you as the problem, as the

00:57:08.480 enemy, uh, they, they aren't

00:57:10.540 going to be able to, to be

00:57:12.380 continue this sort of a thing

00:57:14.200 forever, that they have certain

00:57:16.360 stresses and strains that are, is

00:57:18.720 going to limit what they can do.

00:57:20.440 And I think we have to take

00:57:21.880 that into consideration as we

00:57:23.460 kind of view these situations

00:57:25.320 like the war in Ukraine, which

00:57:26.720 we have absolutely no consent

00:57:27.940 over.

00:57:28.300 We have no idea where that's

00:57:29.300 going to go.

00:57:30.000 It's very likely that if this

00:57:31.400 gets even hotter, that they're

00:57:32.840 going to pull on, you know, the

00:57:34.500 deplorable crowd to come and do

00:57:36.040 the heavy lifting on something

00:57:37.120 like that.

00:57:37.860 But I just think to keep that in

00:57:39.540 mind.

00:57:39.960 And, uh, I, I think that this

00:57:42.000 can always, there's always a

00:57:43.300 silver lining to things.

00:57:44.260 And I think that we can't

00:57:45.360 forget to see that here.

00:57:46.960 Yeah.

00:57:47.360 I think that's a good

00:57:48.260 encouragement because, you

00:57:49.740 know, you, like you said, it's

00:57:51.280 scary to see things end, but if

00:57:54.000 they're bad things or things that

00:57:55.320 have been become decrepit, that

00:57:57.220 have been, are being used by bad

00:57:58.880 people to harm you and yours, uh,

00:58:01.800 then even if it's a moment of

00:58:03.940 uncertainty, you shouldn't fear it

00:58:07.140 because the change brings, you

00:58:09.100 know, with the end of something,

00:58:10.100 the change brings something new.

00:58:11.680 So, you know, ride the tiger out

00:58:13.360 there guys, uh, you know, uh,

00:58:15.860 you, this too will pass and, and

00:58:18.000 the opportunity for something

00:58:19.580 better to arise is out there on

00:58:22.580 the horizon.

00:58:23.340 All right, guys.

00:58:24.100 Well, thank you all for coming

00:58:25.840 by.

00:58:26.300 I want to, uh, thank Lafayette

00:58:27.960 Lee for coming on always a great

00:58:29.700 time, uh, having a discussion

00:58:31.720 with him.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 18, 2023

Gamer Leak Reveals the Truth About Ukraine Conflict ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee ｜ 4⧸17⧸23

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