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00:01:00.000Well, everybody, as you know, deportations was one of the critical reasons why I have supported Donald Trump through all of these years.
00:01:08.040It's absolutely critical to the future of our nation. Pretty much the only issue that matters, everything else, is downstream from immigration.
00:01:15.660And one man who has been central to this fight is the former commander of the Border Patrol, Greg Bovino. Thank you so much for coming on.
00:01:23.080Well, thanks for having me today. It's good to see you.
00:01:25.140Absolutely. Before we get started, I think a lot of people hear about immigration, border patrol, ICE, all of these things, but they don't know how the immigration system really works.
00:01:37.120So I was wondering for the audience if you could just give a basic rundown of what are the agencies involved in border enforcement and deportation?
00:01:46.540Sure. As far as immigration and deportations, that falls under Department of Homeland Security, DHS. And you have several agencies there that work together, that integrate to work together to do just what you're saying, to deport and run that immigration system.
00:02:04.280So when we talk about the law enforcement arm of those deportations, two major camps, one is CBP, that stands for Customs and Border Protection.
00:02:15.220Those are your uniformed law enforcement agencies, such as the United States Border Patrol, Office of Field Operations, those are the folks that work at your ports of entry, they wear blue uniforms.
00:02:25.720And then the Office of Air and Marine. Those are the folks that patrol the waterways and the skies. And those three agencies work together under the CBP umbrella to do everything from, like I said, ports of entry to the U.S. Border Patrol, which is everything between the ports of entry, including traffic checkpoints and a whole host of other things.
00:02:48.720Then we have what is known as ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A couple of agencies
00:02:56.660there that we need to talk about. One is HSI, that stands for Homeland Security Investigations.
00:03:02.540Those are your plainclothes special agents that conduct long-term investigations,
00:03:07.160long-term investigations for things like, say, human trafficking or human smuggling,
00:03:13.400that type of thing. So long-term investigations, they're a plainclothes agency. And then also we
00:03:20.760have something called ERO, Enforcement and Removal Operations, also plainclothes. And those are the
00:03:27.580folks that detain, transport, and deport, physically deport, whether it's a repatriation by land or
00:03:36.120something by plane. You may have heard of the planes that deport illegal aliens. Those are the
00:03:42.380folks that do that. So you've got your uniform branch, Border Patrol, OFO, Air Marine, and then
00:03:48.820the non-uniform branch, the long-term investigators, which is ICE and ERO. Excellent. I appreciate you
00:03:56.700laying that out because I think it can be quickly very confusing to understand who's doing what,
00:04:01.180what organization actually has jurisdiction or the different roles that they're playing,
00:04:05.580and that can make it very hard to track progress and understand how we're doing on this front.
00:04:10.200Oh, guys, I should also say this is not a live show today. We are prerecorded. So unfortunately, we will not be able to answer questions from the audience today. But that said, when we saw this transition between the first and second Trump administration, it was rather radical.
00:04:26.420We saw in the first Trump administration the promise of building the wall and closing the
00:04:30.600border. And of course, we all cheered that on. We appreciated that push. Some work was done,
00:04:36.500not enough. In the second Trump administration, the tone shifted. It wasn't just about closing
00:04:41.980the border anymore. Now we were talking about something far more important, which was deportations.
00:04:47.920It wasn't just about ending the flow of immigration, which had been absolutely blown
00:04:52.380out by the Biden administration, just a complete treason against the country. And when you guys
00:04:57.620came back in, it was very clear that the purpose was not just to shut that flow off, but to make
00:05:03.380sure that we healed the damage from that and all the prior administrations that had really just
00:05:08.500abused the border and treated it as this kind of just open secret, where as long as you came through
00:05:13.400and you didn't cause any trouble, you didn't start stabbing people or something, then you were
00:05:17.360allowed to stay. But now we were saying it's not just about the crime of physically hurting
00:05:23.360someone. Entering into the country is itself a crime and something that should be punishable,
00:05:27.480something that we should reverse. So I guess the question is, when you entered with that mindset,
00:05:33.940what was the strategy? What was the Trump administration specifically looking at? It's
00:05:38.220one thing to say, we're going to deport people. It's another thing to say, there are tens of
00:05:42.420millions, if not 100 million of these people in the country. That's a logistical question. That's
00:05:47.680a question of courts. There is so much going on there. What was the general strategy, the approach
00:05:52.840that you were looking at going in? Sure. President Trump learned a lot from his first
00:05:58.900tournament office. He learned a lot, and he put what he learned into play during his second
00:06:04.420tournament office. One thing about Trump is he's always learning, and he's always looking to do
00:06:09.180things better. This was the do things better part of that strategy. So he built the wall during the
00:06:15.480first term, did a great job, really shut some flows off, showed that it could be done. But he also
00:06:20.660learned that just building a wall, that in itself does not preclude, you know, immigration from
00:06:28.660happening. You need to cut the reason that individuals want to illegally enter the United
00:06:34.940States. In other words, the jobs, the freedom to move freely within the United States, that type
00:06:41.340of thing. So during his second administration, the wall building continues, it continues now,
00:06:46.300and that border security mission continues now. But then also, it was that interior enforcement,
00:06:53.080those deportations of those individuals that you just said, have been here, not only from
00:06:58.640the Biden administration, but from those past administrations also. So in doing so, in doing
00:07:04.880those deportations from the interior, that actually, and President Trump knows this, kudos to
00:07:10.840him, that actually helped shut the border down even more. So we went from, say, several hundred
00:07:17.980border, illegal border crossers a day coming across the border. When we hit Los Angeles,
00:07:22.880that went to below 100 a day because not only did they have to contend with getting across the
00:07:29.140border, getting across that beautiful 30-foot wall, and it is a beautiful piece of equipment
00:07:33.600there, not only the 30-foot wall, but then they were faced with those uniform border patrol agents
00:07:40.240in God knows what city that were ready to apprehend them. So that double whammy, that total
00:07:46.880spectrum. Immigration enforcement, that did a lot. And that, my friends, is why the border is
00:07:54.280the best that it's ever been. And that is why he took those great steps in, or those great strides
00:08:04.040in immigration enforcement. And I think that's really important to highlight because a lot of
00:08:09.700people just look at the reduced border entry numbers and they think, well, physically people
00:08:13.740are watching the border closer, which is, of course, true. But as you say, it's that pressure
00:08:18.220of knowing once, even if you sacrifice everything, you've paid some coyote to get you across the
00:08:23.480border, you've endured whatever abuse that those human traffickers are doing, you get here and
00:08:30.520then you find out, actually, you're going to get run out of the country, you're going to get picked
00:08:34.880up, there's not going to be a job for you, there's not going to be welfare for you sitting there on
00:08:38.420the other side. That is a great thing to push people away from even attempting to cross in the
00:08:43.380first place. So you have to have the pressure internally and externally in order to be
00:08:47.580successful. Absolutely. And a lot of folks, they've often asked, why did you put so many
00:08:54.120videos out on your social media platforms back when you were the commander at large and chief
00:08:59.260of the board control sector there? Well, there's a reason for that. It's just what you say.
00:09:04.140They need to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we're coming after them. And then when they
00:09:08.960actually see it. And folks saw that worldwide, which is very important because remember, it's a
00:09:13.640worldwide immigration problem now, not just from Mexico, but worldwide. They begin seeing that and
00:09:19.340they're like, whoa, something is different now. They're really serious about this. We can actually
00:09:24.820see border patrol agents in America's largest cities going hands on with illegal aliens. Yeah,
00:09:31.560it's serious. We better not cross the border. And even more importantly, that help with those
00:09:37.280self-repatriation, those self-deportation efforts that are so essential in removing those tens of
00:09:44.300millions of illegal aliens already in the United States. You know, I'd rather them self-remove
00:09:49.620themselves than me have to put handcuffs on them. And 2.6 million decided to leave. And that's
00:09:57.440exactly where we wanted to be. And that is one of the reasons why we were so transparent
00:10:03.080with the American public with those videos, and they got a firsthand look, unfiltered and
00:10:10.980unadulterated, firsthand look at what was going on in those cities. Yeah, again, I think that's
00:10:17.820critical because you can't physically remove 50 million, 75 million people. It's just logistically
00:10:25.580not going to happen. But when you're applying the level of pressure, they're seeing those
00:10:29.320deportations take place they recognize there isn't a lot of opportunity eventually people are going
00:10:34.400to go home and that's where you're going to get the majority you still need to do the physical
00:10:38.740deportations you can't inspire the self-deportations without the physical deportations but these are
00:10:43.760strategies that are working in tandem they're reliant on each other which actually brings me
00:10:48.340to my next question because as you said you were not shy about sharing what was going on
00:10:53.800communicating not just to the american people but the entire world don't you know we're not putting
00:10:58.880up with this. Don't come here. Don't think you're going to enter into these borders illegally and be
00:11:03.460okay with this. But I think this is also where we see some of the hiccups with the administration,
00:11:10.100some of the tension that has occurred around the immigration issue. Because many of Donald Trump's
00:11:17.300kind of more moderate, independent supporters, people who are like Joe Rogan or other podcast
00:11:25.300bros, they started to see these deportations. And for some reason in their mind, even though
00:11:30.060the offer was always in the second term, we are deporting everybody who shouldn't be here.
00:11:36.180In their mind, they said, oh, well, they're only going to go after drug dealers and child
00:11:40.680traffickers and these kind of things. They're not going to deport my gardener. They're not
00:11:45.920going to deport my nanny. They're not going to deport my house cleaner. This is all going to
00:11:50.500be the same, even though that was never the promise. And once they saw the deportations
00:11:54.880take place, they saw that, yes, you guys were focusing on criminals first, but it was not only
00:11:59.760criminals being deported. And we started to see this backlash. So is there a difficulty in properly
00:12:06.180providing the optics you're talking about where you need to send the message both to the American
00:12:10.500people and the world, this is how we handle deportations, but also you start running into
00:12:15.020the pushback that comes from some of these more weak-kneed Trump supporters? Sure. It's very
00:12:21.840interesting that you say that because the very first general immigration enforcement apprehension
00:12:26.660that we made was in Bakersfield, California. That was Operation Return to Cinder. It was in front
00:12:32.340of a Home Depot. That individual was a convicted child rapist. Very first one, the very first one
00:12:39.220that we apprehended was a child rapist standing out in front of Home Depot ready to go into maybe
00:12:44.860Joe Rogan's house, I don't know, to do some work. And what we saw and what we attempted to portray
00:12:51.200in those videos in the in the in those social media platforms was hey these folks that are out
00:12:57.700on the street such a large majority of them are indeed criminals people that you don't want in
00:13:04.600society in your homes anywhere near your children or anything else that the general immigration
00:13:10.580enforcement in other words going out on the street putting hands on makes sense uh one of
00:13:16.820the days in Charlotte, 66% of every single illegal alien that we caught out on the street,
00:13:22.880not targeted enforcement, but out on the street, 66% had significant immigration and or criminal
00:13:29.700histories. So when we look at it in those terms, it makes sense to go after that gardener or that
00:13:37.080landscaper. You don't know who that gardener or that landscaper is. And, you know, I think that
00:13:41.700some of the leftist crazy media, they didn't want to hear that because that is a very inconvenient,
00:13:49.480that's a very inconvenient statistic to push in their face. But unfortunately, it's a true
00:13:56.820statistic coupled with the fact we don't even know what their criminal histories are in their home
00:14:01.520countries. Oftentimes, we'll find long after the fact, long after they've already entered the United
00:14:06.920States that a lot of these illegal aliens have significant criminal histories in their home
00:14:11.880countries. We just now are getting the, the, the Interpol red notices and some of the wants and
00:14:18.140warrants from those foreign countries. My gracious, you should see what is walking around out on the
00:14:24.260street right now. So the Joe Rogans and the, and the other folks that are a little concerned about
00:14:29.420the optics there, what are the optics of another Jacqueline Nungere or another optic of say that
00:14:35.300young man there in Great Britain that was killed by an immigrant or any of the other thousands of
00:14:41.420Americans hurt, maimed, raped, killed by illegal aliens. And then also one other point that seems
00:14:49.580to be lost is illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. It never has been. What about
00:14:55.580the ma and pa Americas out there, the business owners or the folks trying to go to the emergency
00:15:01.360room and you're really affected in every sector of society by illegal aliens. And I think that
00:15:09.880when you put it into those terms and people start to think, well, you know what, gosh,
00:15:14.860American businesses are being affected in all sectors, all parts by illegal aliens. Gosh,
00:15:21.140I can't even go to the hospital without being in line behind an illegal alien. My schools,
00:15:25.980My children, the public schools are not doing such a great job because the lowest common denominator that doesn't speak English is ahead of my kid in school for the limited resources that that teacher may provide.
00:15:39.140So when you put all that together, I think that it paints a pretty convincing picture of why we need large scale total immigration enforcement.
00:15:50.020And that's what we're after here is total immigration enforcement.
00:15:52.620That means everything all at the same time, whether it's going after a remittance.
00:16:20.620And the fact that, you know, over half my school didn't speak English meant that many times many of these the native English speaking students were literally given lower grades just because of the color of their skin or the fact that they had not immigrated.
00:16:34.920They gave free passes to the multilingual students because they just couldn't teach them.
00:16:39.260They didn't have the resources to provide the education.
00:16:41.440And then not only did the other students fall behind, but they were graded against actual standards.
00:16:46.260So they were receiving lower grades simply because they could speak the language.
00:16:49.800And then there was some expectation that they would learn as with the other kids were just passed through.
00:16:53.680They didn't assimilate. They didn't learn the language. They got a grade and they just moved on.
00:16:57.760And that's a terrible way to treat the native population.
00:17:01.380It is. I call that the DSP. I mentioned that Minneapolis at a couple of those press conferences, the DSP, the double standard phenomenon.
00:17:09.300Just about everything we do in society with in terms of illegal aliens has to do with the DSP, that double standard phenomenon,
00:17:16.980whether it's what you're saying, the grades in school, some of those illegal aliens that are
00:17:21.840passed along, how are they going to be rated against American students that are held to that
00:17:28.580high standard for entrance into college? You know, I think there's a great question that a lot of
00:17:33.180people, when you put it in those terms, like, well, wow, you know, I, my kid works hard and
00:17:38.020he's being precluded from a college education by an illegal alien that's been passed along,
00:17:43.660passed along, failed throughout that system, through the education system. So yeah, and then
00:17:49.940also with crime, look at crime. A lot of illegal aliens are not treated the same as American
00:17:57.000citizens. And you're getting the first scoop on this one. I've always said this, and I don't think
00:18:02.000they're treated the same as American citizens. Look at, say, crimes against our natural resources.
00:18:07.720Oftentimes, take a game warden or a conservation officer, a park ranger, they don't even know who
00:18:13.060these illegal aliens are, and often these illegal aliens are given a pass. But say an American
00:18:18.800citizen does the same thing, held to the fullest standard of the law, which they should be, of
00:18:23.620course, but the illegal aliens need to be also. Look at the millions that came across the border
00:18:29.140and trashed our southern border, came into the United States, continue to trash our natural
00:18:34.920resources. Remember, our natural resources are a national interest, something that we hold
00:18:39.880extremely, extremely, extremely dear. And the DSP is in full effect in all aspects of our society.
00:18:48.700Yeah, I was actually a local reporter here as well. And one of the most common stories I'd run
00:18:53.060into were basically animal sacrifice remains. You had different Santeria and voodoo rituals who were
00:18:59.460being done in the area, but the police wouldn't investigate them because they all know where it
00:19:03.160would lead back to and they didn't want to deal with the backlash. So you just have people turning
00:19:07.120a black eye to animal mutilations or sacrifices remains left in culverts and you know all around
00:19:12.820town these are the small things that don't seem like by themselves absolutely devastating but
00:19:18.400they all add up when you're bringing in tens of millions of these people into the country and as
00:19:23.580you say oftentimes we get these false stories about you know from like the cato institute saying
00:19:28.840illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than natural americans and so every one of them is
00:19:33.340just coming over here for a peaceful life to make money and every one of them is going to be a model
00:19:37.620citizen. The perception of people is entirely warped around a few nice immigrants they know,
00:19:43.040but they don't understand the statistical reality of the impact of this phenomenon.
00:19:48.700Perfectly stated. Yes. Let's address that statement where a lot of these individuals
00:19:54.840love to say illegal aliens commit crimes at a lesser rate than American citizens. Pure bunk,
00:20:02.040pure BS. I'm tired of hearing that. You as well as me know that illegal aliens are not identified
00:20:09.680as illegal aliens by state and locals for the large majority of crimes that are committed.
00:20:16.620How do they know that? Because they can't even determine alienage on illegal aliens. In many of
00:20:21.900these states, it's against the law for them to do that. So I'm led to believe that illegal aliens
00:20:27.400commit crimes at a lesser rate than U.S. citizens, yet they can't be identified as illegal aliens
00:20:34.620there in those states where those crime statistics are reported. It's a bunch of BS.
00:20:40.200Don't listen to it. It's not true. Plus, we also have to remember all illegal aliens
00:20:44.400have committed a crime when they cross that border, AUSC 1325 at a minimum,
00:20:49.880and they're all criminals. So the Trump administration comes in. You guys are hard
00:20:55.880charging we're seeing this you know dual tactic of shoring up the border but interior enforcement
00:21:01.540making sure that we slow down traffic coming in lots of footage of these operations in urban areas
00:21:08.420extracting illegals and then a mood shifts we start to see uh you know the incident where
00:21:15.620one woman tried to run down uh you know this border patrol agent i will never hear a single
00:21:20.320person tell me anything other than this the fact that people debate about this stuff is insane
00:21:24.100And again, I covered crime like the number of police officers whose funerals I attended because they did not take action in a dangerous situation because they were worried about the optics is huge.
00:21:33.480So I have little to no, you know, patience for people telling me this kind of thing.
00:21:38.480However, as is so often the case, the media was ready and rearing to fight back against law enforcement.
00:21:45.040I think really the left was completely knocked back on their heels after Trump's election.
00:21:50.780They didn't know what to do. They didn't know how to respond.
00:21:53.140And this was the first time they felt like they had some kind of ability, I think, to grapple back.
00:21:58.980They started doing these protests. They started interfering directly with ICE operations.
00:22:03.100And even though it was still a very unpopular thing for them to do, it was kind of the first time that the left coalesced around some kind of opposition strategy to what Trump was doing.
00:22:12.900Obviously, this seemed to have a very big impact on the Trump administration's public approach to deportations.
00:22:19.460Can you talk a little bit about the aftermath of kind of looking at what happened there?
00:22:24.420I think those events there in Minneapolis, the Rene Good and the Alex Pretty situations, certainly did have an impact.
00:22:31.880And it's unfortunate that it did because a lot of that washes away the good work that was done prior to that.
00:22:39.240Take a look at the several months in all those operations in all those other cities, whether it was Bakersfield, Los Angeles, Chicago, Charlotte, New Orleans, and the fact that those cities, those operations were conducted with very, very few casualties on the side of law enforcement or civilians.
00:23:03.860And that took a whole lot of good work by law enforcement. If you had asked me before those operations ever started, hey, do you think you'll go 10 months with zero casualties? I would have said no. Absolutely not in something that large scale with that much violence perpetrated against law enforcement every single day for all 10 months.
00:23:30.220Every single day, massive amounts of violence that I don't think any law enforcement since Prohibition, since the Volstead Act, has witnessed.
00:23:39.700And all the way up until Minnesota, nothing.
00:23:43.720A pretty darn good track record there for law enforcement.
00:23:51.620And, yes, the left was waiting on something to happen.
00:23:54.340But in retrospect, and time always gives us that seed of retrospect, I think that there were also some bureaucrats and some politicians waiting for something like that to happen to dial back on that total spectrum, immigration enforcement, because I think a lot of them realized that what they saw in all those cities, that was just the beginning.
00:24:19.380Oh, we had a lot more in store rather than 300 Border Patrol agents going city to city, a lot more in store as far as future operations.
00:24:30.040And I think that made a lot of them nervous, whether they were the Chamber of Commerce crowd or the big labor crowd that loved the cheap, or I'm sorry, the cheap labor crowd that loved that cheap labor that illegal aliens present to some aspects of society.
00:24:45.540And I think that a lot of them said, hey, you know what, it's a great way to stop it. Let's stop it now.
00:24:53.260So I guess what we've seen from the Trump administration after this has been a shift in tone and approach.
00:25:03.440And I think this has happened across a couple different fronts.
00:25:06.300So the first thing we started to notice was Tom Homan changed his rhetoric from we're deporting illegal aliens to we're deporting the criminal aliens, which seemed like a very deliberate shift in rhetoric and a narrowing of the scope in a way that would fulfill the optics that maybe some of the more moderate people who were supporting Trump wanted.
00:25:30.400the other thing we heard is that deportations are continuing but we're doing them in different ways
00:25:35.780so that it's not so flashy it's not so obvious uh you know we're still doing the deportations
00:25:41.720but you're just not seeing as much of it um I know the Trump administration is still doing good work
00:25:47.280in these areas and I'm thankful for the fact that it is much better than it would be under
00:25:50.760Biden or really any Republican in my lifetime but that said it does feel like the foot came
00:25:56.400right off the gas here so can you talk a little bit about that shift in both the rhetoric and
00:26:01.680intensity coming from the trump administration in the last few months good work is being done
00:26:08.000mass deportations are not good work is is definitely being done anytime you put hands
00:26:14.000on an illegal alien and deport said illegal alien that's good work nobody nobody says that's not
00:26:20.160that's great work. But mass deportations, that is not occurring, not in any form or fashion right
00:26:26.400now. Targeted enforcement and worst of the worst, that is, we've said this for months and years now
00:26:33.740in the Border Patrol, the worst of the worst and the targeting. That type of immigration enforcement
00:26:39.320is what ICE has done since ICE was formed approximately 23 years ago after 9-11.
00:26:46.280That type of enforcement is for an immigration system already under control, an immigration system that is working and functioning properly.
00:26:55.560In other words, an immigration system that doesn't have tens of millions of illegal aliens running around the streets with impunity, killing American citizens in broad daylight, like Ms. Gorman in Chicago and many others.
00:27:07.520So when you talk targeting and worst of the worst, that can also have a detrimental effect on, say, the border.
00:27:16.200You know, who thinks of themselves as the worst of the worst?
00:27:20.620Most illegal aliens come across, say, well, you know what?
00:27:23.120They're going after those worst of the worst, the child rapists only and the murderers only.
00:27:27.680I haven't murdered anyone or maybe I murdered someone, but that's in my home country.
00:27:31.980Nobody will ever know that. So I can come across that border.
00:27:34.860And it's just like the old days. Make it across the border. And you know what? I'm good to go.
00:27:41.560Nobody's ever going to touch me. Maybe amnesty coming a little bit later. So I'm good to go.
00:27:48.100And the same with the illegal aliens already here in the interior. Gosh, I'm not the worst of the
00:27:54.020worst. You know what? I'm just over here selling tacos out of a cooler here on the corner of the
00:28:01.360street messing up American businessmen, but yeah, that's not worst of the worst. That's okay. Or
00:28:06.400I'm an Indian foreign national chiseling away at ancient Indian ruins in one of our national parks.
00:28:13.840You know what? I feel comfortable enough to do that right out in the middle of broad daylight
00:28:17.660because I'm not worst of the worst. I don't have anything to worry about. So that's what we get
00:28:22.740into when we continue with what brought us to this very problem in the first place, which is
00:28:29.240targeting and worst of the worst. That's what allows tens of millions of illegal aliens to
00:28:35.080come in because nobody thinks you're worst of the worst. Total Spectrum Immigration Enforcement
00:28:40.500reverses that. It stops that. It's the solution to that. And I'll tell you what, President Trump
00:28:46.920is, as you say, he's the best, best president I've ever worked for as far as deportations.
00:28:55.000Even now, with just worse than the worst in targeting, as you say, that's better than any president in our lifetimes, and it surely is.
00:29:02.540I think President Trump, I think he'll probably have his staff at some point go back to that general immigration, that total spectrum immigration enforcement, because he knows what's at stake here.
00:29:14.420And let's hope that happens before any more American lives are lost, because unfortunately, unless we go hard with total spectrum immigration enforcement, more Americans are going to die.
00:29:27.720More Americans will lose their lives needlessly to illegal aliens.
00:29:33.640And, you know, I've got a problem that I want total spectrum starting like right now.
00:29:37.900I'm not a big optics guy. I don't really care about the polling.
00:29:40.600I really don't believe the polling. And I've always been very apolitical as a law enforcement
00:29:46.020officer. You should be apolitical. And let's get that total spectrum immigration enforcement started
00:29:51.680now. But kudos to President Trump for what he's done thus far. Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't really
00:29:58.660buy like you the idea that mass deportations are ultimately unpopular. However, even if they were
00:30:04.600unpopular, well, if we're going to do something unpopular, let's do the deportations and not say
00:30:09.000a war in the middle east like if you have to pick one unpopular thing to get done i think the battle
00:30:13.900for our own country inside our borders uh personally i feel like that takes priority
00:30:19.360that said you uh seem to allude to tensions between establishment figures who want to kind
00:30:26.100of maintain the status quo with the semi-open borders scenario providing the cheap labor and
00:30:31.860everything i think people can feel that because as we've already talked about self-deportation is
00:30:36.880the most powerful tool you ultimately have to get the mass deportations going. And if we could just
00:30:42.420eliminate employers across the country, make it really painful to hire an illegal immigrant,
00:30:48.660then it seems very unlikely that illegal immigrants would maintain any presence in the United States.
00:30:54.180But it's very clear that for some reason there's a barrier there, that we seem to have
00:30:58.260difficulty when we target especially the employers. That's where things break down.
00:31:03.500Can you talk a little bit about that struggle when we know there's a very effective thing we could do, but there seems to be a barrier against the most effective option we could take?
00:31:13.140Sure. Well, the tensions do exist, no doubt, but they've always existed.
00:31:17.860Border Patrol, the Mean Green Team, as I refer to the Border Patrol, has always been raring to go for that total spectrum immigration enforcement.
00:31:26.960and there's always been a tension, a reticence there to allow Border Patrol to conduct its
00:31:33.260traditional mission of interior enforcement in times of need. Remember, it was the Border Patrol
00:31:37.560that conducted those large-scale immigration deportation operations of times past. So there
00:31:44.060has been the tension there because of the cheap labor. A lot of folks think that cheap labor is
00:31:49.640good, that it helps the economy. You'll often hear, oh, they pay taxes and, you know, they work
00:31:57.000hard. I think they pay more in remittances than they do taxes. So definitely there's some push
00:32:04.480pull there. And, you know, we're going to have to get past that. You know, if we look at the damage
00:32:11.720that illegal aliens do to our nation, not just in terms of crime, but everything else and some
00:32:16.520the things we've already talked about i think that once folks take a look at that especially
00:32:21.720with the cultural change aspect of things let's take economics out let's take crime out but what
00:32:28.040about the cultural change do you think that those illegal aliens that come from communist countries
00:32:34.680and a lot of those countries are communist countries or socialist countries same thing
00:32:39.560what about the second amendment is your second amendment going to be around if these individuals
00:32:44.360are given amnesty and what do you think is going to happen with that so i think when we talk about
00:32:50.040the tensions we need to shape this argument into something that gives everyone a a bird's eye view
00:32:57.720a full-scale view of what those problems of what the problems are and what our future looks like
00:33:03.240you know it might be nice to pay someone two dollars an hour to hang your christmas tree
00:33:06.680lights that child rapist out in your yard hanging christmas tree lights but eventually the bill
00:33:11.880comes due and it's going to come due pretty darn quick unless we do something very soon in terms of
00:33:18.440mass deportation. So I think that, you know, shaping the argument in terms of that, and that's
00:33:24.280being done now. You're doing it right now. A lot of other social media influencers are doing the
00:33:29.340same, the Nick Sorters and the Posobics and the Witzkies and all of those types of folks, they're
00:33:34.640doing it right now. And I think people are waking up to the fact that cheap labor costs you far more
00:33:40.520in the future. It could actually make your culture and your society something you'll
00:33:45.680never recognize. Well, and this is why immigration is really my only issue. It's not that I don't
00:33:53.040care about other things, but immigration shapes every other issue. I mean, the basic fact that
00:33:58.960it looks like the Supreme Court is going to uphold this ridiculous understanding of the 14th
00:34:03.740Amendment and birthright citizenship means that any illegal immigrant who stays in the United
00:34:08.460states long enough is going to produce new people who immediately have all the rights of an american
00:34:13.400and those people are going to vote a particular way in fact when the democratic party isn't you
00:34:17.640know trying to attack you as some kind of nazi or fascist or white supremacist for noticing what
00:34:23.120they say they'll gloat about the fact that by importing enough people into the united states
00:34:28.680who are not of european descent they will change the voting patterns of the united states and get
00:34:34.160the things they want because they know the people coming from those countries are more likely to
00:34:38.720adopt many of the communist or socialist policies, as you were pointing out. And so there's an effect
00:34:43.700of when you bring these people in and you shape the voting demographic, it doesn't matter what
00:34:47.980your arguments are anymore. It's no longer a marketplace of ideas, some exchange over shared
00:34:52.940values. Instead, you're importing an entire different voting bloc with different cultures,
00:34:57.460different beliefs, different understandings, who all know they're politically beholden to the
00:35:01.520Democratic Party for being here in the first place. So you basically have a subversive class
00:35:06.280of voters who come in and get all of the benefits from a political party that's built on importing
00:35:12.500people from different cultures who will not maintain the American ideal. And if you don't
00:35:16.860grasp that as the key political lever that the left is using to dominate our society,
00:35:22.400then you will never win an election again. Never. You never will. And then those individuals that
00:35:28.720love the cheap, the cheap labor, especially some of the rhinos, they're playing so, they're being
00:35:34.020played so perfectly by the left because, you know, Cap, the good thing about capitalism is it'll
00:35:40.240take care of things anyway. It'll balance, it'll balance the books out anyway, in terms of that
00:35:46.020cheap labor. You know, a lot of these jobs, all these jobs were getting done before the illegal
00:35:53.020aliens ever arrived here. You know, you hear this misconstrued story that illegal aliens built the
00:35:58.080country. Nothing could be further from the truth because it's a recent phenomenon of illegal aliens
00:36:02.920tape. You know, so many different sectors of society were paying American citizens a living
00:36:10.340wage to do a job before the illegal aliens got here. Look at carpentry. Look at the wages of
00:36:15.760American carpenters. That was a fantastic job that paid very well for the ingenuity of Americans,
00:36:23.240those carpenters that boy they knew their craft and their trade inside and out and they could make
00:36:28.520a good living at it now it's it's a lot more difficult and you don't even see that many
00:36:33.480american carpenters or brick masons or things like that anymore because we've imported this
00:36:38.200these semi or very low skilled individuals and they'll do it for half the price or even lower
00:36:45.560than that a lot of times and you know i would rather pay that american carpenter
00:36:51.000his living wage than pay the cheap labor half because it's going to cost the consumer
00:36:57.220the same in the end. Take housing construction. Do you think that they're passing those savings
00:37:03.840onto you when they contract that cheap labor at half the price of that American carpenter? Of
00:37:09.800course not. They're keeping the savings, folks. Pulling the wool over your eyes. That cheap labor
00:37:14.420only helps a very few, and that's the individuals that are breaking the law, bringing the cheap
00:37:20.100labor in so they don't have to pay the American carpenter the money. And they're not passing the
00:37:25.920savings on to you. And I think that's something that a lot of American citizens don't realize
00:37:31.480is the savings are never passed on to you. It's just you're getting shoddy work. And again,
00:37:38.720you're going to pay for it in the end. Well, and yeah, the work is just terrible. So what are you
00:37:43.560really saving at the end of the day and this is a huge problem because we are increasingly
00:37:50.480bifurcating our economy to the point where okay if you were a native-born American well you can't
00:37:58.520really do manual labor anymore you can't do any of these physical crafts you can't become
00:38:03.100you know somebody who turns out an excellent product in construction or these other you know
00:38:08.760kind of classic American industries that allowed men who weren't necessarily
00:38:13.680going to go to college, who weren't going to, you know,
00:38:16.400become a rocket surgeon still were going to have good honorable livings,
00:38:20.640do an important work, providing for their community,
00:38:23.200putting food on the table for their family. And now you have a scenario.
00:38:26.380It's like, okay, well, either you go to Harvard or you end up, you know,
00:38:30.700working at some Walmart somewhere. There's no,
00:38:33.620there's no honorable path for a man to enter into these you know uh these uh different employments
00:38:40.320these job opportunities work his way up you know build up that reputation without having to go into
00:38:46.460this information economy and so we're designing the entire united states for this laptop class
00:38:51.420and information you know workspaces and don't get me wrong you know i'm i'm somebody who benefits
00:38:56.000from that but you know i also paid my way through college by putting roofs on buildings in florida
00:39:00.340And so I understand that if I hadn't had that opportunity, and at the time, don't get me wrong, there were a lot of people speaking Spanish on that roof with me, but if I had not had that opportunity, I probably would have not made it through college, and I would not have had the opportunity to do what I'm doing now.
00:39:14.260So we're breaking down fundamental elements that are necessary for the flourishing of American citizens just so we can turn those different constituent jobs into cheap labor, often producing far worse results.
00:39:25.160Yes, it's mediocrity and destroying the middle class. I can't think of a better way to destroy a middle class.
00:39:33.440How many young boys have you seen out mowing grass or raking leaves in the past 15 or 20 years?
00:39:40.840That's something that I look for and I never see it anymore. Never see it anymore.
00:39:45.940The young man out there trying to make some money to perhaps put himself through college, things like that.
00:39:53.460You don't even see that anymore. And, you know, the lessons learned via hard work, you yourself said it, you might not have made it through college had you not had those good hard lessons you learned on that roof. Well, that's being taken away from American citizens all in the name of some contractor or some individual that wants to make a little more money. It's sad.
00:40:17.100so as we near the end here i want to look for the solutions we've talked about that full spectrum
00:40:25.400dominance making sure that we're attacking this from every angle we want to see that ramp back up
00:40:31.440from the trump administration you said you think that is coming and that's hopeful because i'll be
00:40:37.380honest people keep telling me oh the the deportations are happening the deportations are
00:40:41.440happening well when i go to walmart there's literally not a single person who speaks english
00:40:45.980there not just customers but employees as well and look this is not some you know strange
00:40:52.180neighborhood in the middle of nowhere it's not mom and pop stores run by you know hispanic people
00:40:57.140who are all kind of like in their ethnic ghetto we're talking about big box retail stores in the
00:41:01.900middle of a relatively decent sized city that are completely basically no-go zones for english
00:41:08.220speakers we talk about no-go zones in in france or all these other european countries as if there's
00:41:13.260some ridiculous thing that only happens over there. But that's now the scenario in the United
00:41:17.300States. We now have entire sectors that are no longer oriented towards actually serving
00:41:22.180Americans who speak English. And so I think it's really critical with the next few years of the
00:41:28.200Trump administration that we see a radical increase. I've seen you say that there could
00:41:32.400be as many as 100 million illegals in the United States. That sounds crazy to people to say that
00:41:37.120is impossible. That's like a third of the population. But having lived in Florida in this
00:41:42.520area, I have to say, it sounds entirely reasonable to me. So can you talk a little bit about that
00:41:47.240number and how the Trump administration can get back on track and accelerate these again?
00:41:51.760Sure. A hundred million illegal aliens. That's something that I've been looking at the number
00:41:57.600for 30 years. I've been in the border patrol for 30 years. I was always very interested in the
00:42:02.060number because when I started, it was 14 to 15 million. And the same research centers like Pew
00:42:09.380and some of the others, it's still 14 to 15 million. It's the most ludicrous bunch of BS
00:42:15.140I've ever heard in my life. So when you hear that year after year, it makes you think, well, gosh,
00:42:20.380I'm the border security professional. What do I think? So I did my research. I pulled research
00:42:25.840from other research and also what I saw on the border. And then what I saw and what all the
00:42:35.140Border Patrol agents saw in those cities nationwide. All cities, all regions are filled
00:42:40.340with illegal aliens. And many sections of Central and South America, Mexico included, have had
00:42:47.240entire villages denuded of males between the ages of 18 and 45. What does that tell you when that
00:42:55.000type of a population shift occurs in those countries? That's a whole hell of a lot of people.
00:43:02.420So when you take all that together and then look at some of the statistics we saw, whether it's the driving the daily commutes into work or absentee rates for children in school, all sorts of metrics like that does point to the hundred million figure being the accurate figure.
00:43:19.880Also, besides Pew and some of the other political driven research, you never really hear anybody give you a hard and fast number.
00:43:29.320They'll say, hey, Bovino is awfully crazy for 100 million.
00:43:32.040Well, then what's your number? How do you know?
00:43:34.560And they can never, ever seem to really say anything.
00:43:40.780And I think that most of middle America, they actually see that with their own eyes.
00:43:45.700some of the fringe left liberal socialist sheep, they've got the blinders on or they don't want
00:43:50.940to see it, or they're just going to lie to you because they want more of those voters in, as you
00:43:54.880say, to vote our rights away. What can Trump do or what's he going to do? Again, Trump's a sharp
00:44:01.560cat. We all know that. Trump's a sharp one, and I think that he always does the right thing.
00:44:07.320What I fear is that it's going to take some precipitating events to really kick this into
00:44:13.620high year, some American citizen dying in another heinous way that makes the news and then jump
00:44:22.320starts this total spectrum immigration enforcement. You know, we should just do it now before that
00:44:28.300happens. So I think there'll be a precipitating event that does that. Also, the public pressure.
00:44:35.180There is a large segment of the public. Look at those young college Republicans. I've had the
00:44:40.520pleasure of talking with those young college Republicans and young college conservatives,
00:44:45.280because not all Republicans are conservative, but those young college Republicans, those young
00:44:49.300conservatives, what a force that is turning out to be. Keep an eye on, keep an eye on those,
00:44:54.880keep an eye on those, because I think this fall when college comes back into session,
00:45:01.200you're going to start seeing some action taking place that Trump's going to be looking at,
00:45:07.620because, you know, he's very adept at gauging public attitudes, public opinions, and when he
00:45:13.620sees that same block of young men and women that helped put him in office, clamoring for total
00:45:20.160spectrum immigration enforcement, as well as the rest of American society, he's going to say, yeah,
00:45:25.040it's time to do it. It's time to drop the hammer. It's time to do it. And the good thing is we've
00:45:32.560already got the strategy. All we do is pull that strategy off the shelf and implement immediately
00:45:37.600We can get those 100 million out of this country effective like ASAP. And, you know, we're I think you've got a lot of folks ready to go, both with the public and in law enforcement.
00:45:50.540it no i think that's right you know you i hope you're correct that we can get moving before
00:45:57.240some terrible incident we just saw what happened in the uk we know the tensions that are building
00:46:01.860there at least in the united states we have a government that is not hostile to the idea of
00:46:07.560deportations if not pursuing it at the rate we want in the uk it's a very different story
00:46:11.820and creates a very dangerous situation but you're right i've spoken to these young people in college
00:46:16.540republicans and elsewhere and uh they are based uh the the kids are going to be all right like
00:46:22.520they they make you and me look like soft squishy liberals at the end of the day so um uh that that
00:46:28.340gives us hope for the future for sure it does it does and you're right you know a lot of us were
00:46:33.520were down over the past few years on on the youth well now the youth i'm i'm so pleasantly surprised
00:46:40.300but like you say they're they're they're even more hardcore than me and i didn't think that was
00:46:44.480possible but wow some of these folks but you know what it is it they're seeing what's happening
00:46:50.180they're seeing their future dissolving before their eyes and they're doing something they're
00:46:55.820they're being american here they're being americans they're conducting american exceptionalism
00:47:00.980and right before our eyes and it's the most refreshing thing i've seen that movement
00:47:05.360boy oh boy if america doesn't know what's coming that movement's coming and uh some folks better
00:47:12.160start paying attention uh you know uh uh ken paxton and all that stuff in texas you know
00:47:19.180there's a prime example of that and i think that is going you're going to see more of that
00:47:24.180and a lot of these rhinos get primaried out you'll see that ad or two change very very quickly
00:47:29.540as it should yeah i mean don't get me wrong we love our boomers but they really just enjoyed
00:47:35.520the fact that the line kept going up they didn't have to worry about it their stock portfolios
00:47:39.420their home prices they felt like their wealth is increasing but the young people they have to live
00:47:43.980here they have to raise families here they have to carve out a future here and so they don't have
00:47:48.180time to mess around with this they can't pretend that getting a you know a babysitter or a a lawn
00:47:53.640specialist a little cheaper is ultimately going to do their children any good because there will
00:47:58.940be no jobs there will be no future there'll be no america and so they take this all very seriously
00:48:04.080well it has been a pleasure speaking with you guys again we're not live today so sorry we can't
00:48:08.840answer any questions from the audience. But Mr. Bovino, if there is anything you'd like to let
00:48:13.760people know about, I know you have your Twitter account. Is there any other place people can
00:48:17.660follow you, see what you're doing, you know, kind of see your work? That's Gregory K. Bovino on X
00:48:23.660there. So that's really the main site now. Still working on the book here. And I've got maybe
00:48:30.620another interesting item coming out that folks will like if I can get it off the ground. But
00:48:36.360that's just a teaser. So, uh, it's, it's nice to be with you here today and thanks for having me.
00:48:42.120Yeah. Thanks again. I know you've got a lot of, uh, fans, uh, of your work and they want to see
00:48:46.840more. So I think people will definitely be checking that out and we're all hoping the
00:48:50.500Trump administration kicks into gear the way that you are hoping as well. Thank you everybody for
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