On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, The Prudentialist, Orr Ward, who joins us to talk all things H-1B and immigration. Orr has been a long-time supporter of the H1-B program and has been involved in the immigration reform efforts since the early days of the Obama administration.
00:03:19.980That's your executive branch doing what you were supposed to be doing.
00:03:24.280But he seemed very angry that this had happened.
00:03:27.260And there just seemed very, very bad messaging coming back out of the White House on this issue.
00:03:32.780J.D. Vance has kind of had to come in and try to clean it up.
00:03:35.980Bessette tried to do the same thing, saying, oh, they're they're just going to train them for like seven years.
00:03:39.980We're just going to give them seven year visas to train American workers because that's how it takes to train an American to put together a battery.
00:03:47.940What's your reaction to kind of the Trump aspect of this this absolute cluster?
00:03:52.880Yeah, it's been incredibly poor messaging at the moment, especially when I think a lot of people and again, you have to gauge everything between what's actually been done versus sort of what we see in the online news cycle.
00:04:06.480I mean, as you and I are talking, it's just a few days since the two month anniversary of Charlie Kirk's assassination and almost immediately any momentum that could have came from that on the right have been immediately squabbled for purity contests and arguments over the issue of H1B visas or who's an American or how much money we should give to various countries across the globe in terms of foreign aid.
00:04:27.860So to watch things fracture so quickly is really depressing and heartbreaking.
00:04:31.200I think that the administration has had some major fumbles with regards to its messaging on visas and H1B visas, because since you had said this has kind of become an annual, dare I say, seasonal event that comes with the holidays, as you'd mentioned at the beginning, you know, you and I were on the air about a year ago on your program to discuss Vivek Ramaswamy's, you know, H1B crash out over this exact issue.
00:04:54.960The same thing with Elon Musk almost a year ago to the day at this point, which is incredibly depressing that we're getting to have to do this once again over and over.
00:05:03.380I think that when it comes to Trump and the Laura Ingraham interview, I think it's bizarre in context because we have to remember that Laura Ingraham kind of did the weird, you know, little Third Reich salute almost for the visual gag during the 2016 Republican National Convention, because I don't think she was very pro-Trump at the time.
00:05:20.060And then to see her take this angle is really a remarkable change of pace.
00:05:23.960But at the same time, you know, this administration has done a lot, or at least has tried to.
00:05:28.700And even in the first Trump administration, there was a reduction in the number of H1Bs that could come in.
00:05:33.020I think, however, the way that he took those questions from Laura Ingraham, not to mention that there are more than just H1B visas.
00:05:39.080We have L1, we have the OPT system, and of course, with farm work, you have the H2B visa system.
00:05:44.580All these things need drastic reform in order for us to actually put American workers first, rather than outsourcing every little thing imaginable.
00:05:53.860Because you and I have seen on the timeline and by numerous other writers and sort of data analytic guys that we know that countless H1B visas are out there from everything to 7-Eleven to Walt Disney World to every major American tech corporation in the United States.
00:06:09.660So not the best messaging on Trump's part, but this is in the backdrop of the $100,000 fee that they had put out, which even then that wasn't exactly what we had wanted.
00:06:19.660And so I think that the administration is trying to, you know, get back on its feet when it comes to this messaging, because for you and I, I think we all voted for him because Biden opened the borders.
00:06:30.480I mean, the borders have been open even long before Biden.
00:06:32.920But I voted for deportations, and I think that he needs to maybe be reconnected with his base and what they want out of that issue.
00:06:41.640You know, someone just pointed out, I think it was Jesse Kelly on Twitter, he said, you know, it's either it's all immigration and inflation.
00:06:51.380Either you fix those two problems or you don't, and everything else is noise, right?
00:06:54.920Like, ultimately, people might, you know, care more or less about foreign policy, Israel, foreign aid, you know, any of this stuff.
00:07:04.400But the two things that the base really cares about is that everything's getting more expensive, and there's too many people who shouldn't be here competing for their jobs, driving up their health care costs, taking over housing, all of these things.
00:07:18.380And as you said, it's important to recognize that H-1B has kind of become this now blanket term for all of these work visas, right?
00:07:28.360Now it's, okay, well, it's all these other programs as well.
00:07:32.000Well, and they're all being abused, the educational visas are being abused, the, you know, the agricultural visas are being abused, the, you know, the work visas are being abused.
00:07:41.800It's just across the board, and we're just looking for large scale visa reform.
00:07:46.040Now, it's entirely possible that Trump was just kind of, you know, people have pointed this out.
00:07:51.140He repeats whatever the last, you know, advisor he had in the room said, right?
00:07:56.060So somebody might have pointed out, well, there's a difference between, you know, just having people in to take jobs and having people to train or something.
00:08:02.240But it's very clear from, again, the example Trump gave, which was like the worst possible example, that that is not a difference that is delineated enough for the administration.
00:08:12.760And as you point out, fewer H-1B workers had come in, and they are talking about, you know, they have this $100,000.
00:08:18.780Now, again, bad messaging on this, because originally it was supposed to be every year, which was definitely going to hurt what that visa was going to be able to do mass immigration-wise.
00:08:28.440When it's just a one-time fee, it's still, at least it's some kind of barrier, but it's certainly not the one we were hoping for.
00:08:35.380So there's a mixed bag in performance versus messaging.
00:08:38.900But I think the real problem, the reason that people took issue, was the implication that Americans just don't have the skills, right?
00:08:45.900Like, that's, it's not even so much the number of people coming in, though that's certainly a huge deal.
00:08:50.780But it was the first time, I think, you know, Trump has been very good, at least as opposed to everything else, very good on messaging the value of the American people and the American workers, right?
00:09:02.720Like, that has been the thing that I think people felt Trump was connecting with over and over again, the Rust Belt, the people left behind by automation, by immigration, by globalization.
00:09:14.340These people were the ones who were fighting for Trump because he was going to bring the jobs back to the United States.
00:09:20.200And so it's just very difficult, I think, for a lot of people to hear this idea that ultimately just Americans just don't have the skills.
00:09:27.820When you haven't had an active manufacturing program for a while, yes, there is some level of skill acquisition that has to occur.
00:09:37.100But Trump isn't talking about, you know, building a thousand technical colleges to reinvigorate American manufacturing and bring the average worker up to speed.
00:09:46.360They're not even talking about sending one American, I don't know, to the place where they have this particular skill set, having them learn it and then having them come back.
00:09:55.600No, the only option is to bring thousands and thousands of people into the United States to acquire these skills.
00:10:02.260And in a time where we have, you know, Skype and Zoom and all these Internet apps and all these YouTube videos and the way that you could make training videos, communicate that knowledge.
00:10:12.680It seems like bringing thousands of people over here for five to seven years, the way Bissette was talking about, is just the worst possible way to do this training, which makes me feel like it's not about training at all.
00:10:24.400It's got an entirely different agenda attached to it.
00:10:27.280And I think that's what worries people when Trump talks like that.
00:10:32.260And again, like you had mentioned, the H-1B has become the go-to word or term that we use to talk about all work visas.
00:10:41.240And while America's industrial base has taken a beating over the last several decades, there's probably going to need to be some room or potential option for us to work with allied nations like the Australians or, in this instance, the Koreans.
00:10:56.360And I think the reason why that had such a blow up the way it did is because of Korean foreign investment in American plants in general and our relationship to them is, I think, tenuous at best in a lot of ways.
00:11:07.260From what I was reading out of Korean sources, that it was taken as a big national front considering how much money they've given in.
00:11:14.320So I think Trump is trying to balance that line, although I think in this instance it does not come off well after the midst of everything that we've already seen on the timeline and on the news headlines, especially when it comes to this issue.
00:11:26.920Because as you had said, the two biggest issues out of the 2024 election was immigration and inflation.
00:11:33.400And neither of those feel relatively under control despite actions being taken.
00:11:37.920And so the base is angry and rightfully so.
00:11:39.960And I think that we need to have a more clear delineation between what kind of programs this administration wants to keep or wants to slash, wants to reform.
00:11:47.480Senator Eric Schmidt has put out, you know, a great push to, you know, end the optional practical training program, which is under the F1 visa system, which basically just allows for this unaccountable network of student visa holders who can then stay in the country.
00:12:02.920And then companies that use that system get billions of dollars in tax exemptions every year.
00:12:08.940So there's a lot that needs to be cracked down.
00:12:11.280And a lot of this could probably be done without the administration making major moves about it, unless they're going to say we're officially ending this program.
00:12:24.140But instead, the administration has unfortunately opened their mouths and inserted their own foot in there in the midst of, once again, we're having a debate over immigration and we're seeing the same usual actors engage in the same kind of ethnic finger wagging like Dinesh D'Souza about American workers or those who are capable and to be trained.
00:12:43.980Because, you know, and to segue into sort of that discussion, while we're trying to reindustrialize and while this administration, even the Biden administration, whoever was actually running it, understood the national security importance of having basic industry in the United States and not relying on incredibly fragile supply chains where some terrorists off the coast of Yemen can significantly disrupt global trade, let alone everything we learned from COVID.
00:13:09.980So because we're trying to bring back American ship construction here, we're trying to focus on semiconductor manufacturing here, all sorts of things that are now, of course, you know, thrown in the mix of tariffs and immigration.
00:13:21.900The administration has unfortunately waded into what has been just, you know, the celebration parallax, but from people allegedly on the right.
00:13:31.360And I think that it's incredibly damning for a guy who wrote a book called The End of Racism to then have his ego bruised by some, you know, travel vlog YouTuber and turn into a blood and soil nationalist for a country that he doesn't associate with.
00:13:46.100And he's claimed to be, you know, this colorblind, you know, race blind, American, classical liberal conservative for 30 years, only to have a greater ordeal of civility we haven't seen since Alexander the Second.
00:13:58.580Yeah, it was really disappointing to watch that crash out.
00:14:02.580I mean, I've been on Dinesh's show several times and we've always had our differences, but we've gotten along well enough.
00:14:09.080I was shocked, frankly, to see him kind of fall into that pattern.
00:14:13.500Now, he had been crashing out about kind of the Israel issue and everything else.
00:14:18.460Talk about how Jesus wasn't really a Christian.
00:14:20.700The disciples weren't really Christians, all these things for a while.
00:14:24.520So he had kind of been spiraling. I imagine he was probably getting quite a bit of backlash online, some of it somewhat ugly.
00:14:30.720But when you talk like that and you push that kind of agenda, you're probably going to get some heat.
00:14:35.360And I think this was kind of just kind of the straw that broke the camel's back, probably ultimately for Dinesh.
00:14:42.300But watching him, yeah, just lash out and say things like, hey, Whitey, you know, the H1B guys are going to are going to outperform you.
00:14:50.360They're better Americans than you. And and actually, you know, we're the ones who are going to take over.
00:14:55.840Again, it was it was a little reminiscent of the VVAC.
00:14:59.500Well, you know, yes, I'm an American. I was born in America, but my immigrant subclass is better than American culture.
00:15:07.320And we do things better. And you guys are lazy and stupid and play football and watch TV and, you know, go to parties.
00:15:13.820And we're the ones who are going to spelling bees because we're just better people than you.
00:15:17.580And you could probably learn something from us, you know, like it had a very similar quality.
00:15:22.160And then you look at people like Nikki Haley, the minute that there's some kind of tension with India and she runs out and says, oh, no.
00:15:28.600Well, you know, maybe we should disagree. But whatever you do, you know, don't cut India off.
00:15:32.880And it's like, you know, man, at some point, it's hard for me not to notice the trend here.
00:15:37.600You know, at some point, it's hard not to see that over and over again, people who are supposed to be Americanized, many of which have born in America.
00:15:46.760In the case of Dinesh coming from, like, I think a long line of Christians because of where he was located in India.
00:15:53.340I mean, this assimilation process should be pretty far down the line, maybe not for VVAC.
00:15:57.540He's like one generation in. But Haley and Dinesh, you think there would be more there.
00:16:02.440And then the minute some sub-ethnic interest kind of arises in the policy, it's not America first anymore.
00:16:10.920It's not about, you know, race colorblindness anymore.
00:16:14.140It's not about ending racism and an MLK's vision.
00:16:17.380It's about me and mine and my people are better than your people.
00:16:20.840And I can tell they're my people immediately because, you know, he runs out and says, we're doing better than you like this.
00:16:27.580Who's the we there? Is it Americans? No.
00:16:30.560So, like, it's very clearly it's some other group.
00:16:33.480And so when that's kind of your default response under stress, people start to wonder, OK, what level of assimilation is actually happening here?
00:16:42.520Yeah. And I think that this is sort of come back under the discussion about what, you know, there's I think is Bobby Jindal,
00:16:48.560who, again, another, you know, Indian American who ran for president in 2016 and I think has now quietly joined the sort of make America healthy again coalition kind of like disappeared off of the national stage since the 2016 election.
00:17:01.420But he had famously had said, I think, on the campaign trail on immigration, a line that I'm sure he didn't come up with.
00:17:07.440But, you know, one where it was along the lines of immigration without assimilation as an invasion and whether that's from him or not, besides the point.
00:17:14.880But it really does come to show that, well, if they're not assimilating or if they say that they're not and you scratch behind this veneer of, you know, sort of civic, patriotic American identity and all of a sudden we're rooting for the people that they actually identify with.
00:17:29.260Well, it raises a particular concerning question about, well, how many people who have immigrated here or even have been born here and multi-generation immigrant families are actually considering themselves to be American and do not have a previous loyalty somewhere else.
00:17:44.680And I know that a lot of people get up in arms when people say, well, they might be loyal to somewhere else.
00:17:48.200And they'll say that that's like a canard or some sort of dog whistle that you're talking about some country in the Middle East.
00:17:53.360No, it really does apply to almost every group that does.
00:18:01.920No, it's the invitation of bringing every other, you know, nation's, you know, inter-scene ethnic squabbles front and center into the country.
00:18:10.640And it's particularly entertaining, for instance, you know, like Nikki Haley.
00:18:14.100I mean, the big red flag behind her, besides being a, you know, a warmongering neocon, was that, you know, she had talked about her, you know, lived experiences and the racism she experienced being the only brown kid,
00:18:25.800which is always sort of this big leftist coded term.
00:18:28.160And then all of a sudden her son, you know, Naylan, or however it may be pronounced, forgive me, has been going on Twitter, just basically calling certain people just non-Americans or that they're, you know, they should go back to where they came from.
00:18:38.620And the meme of two people who look the same on one side of the border saying, we don't like you, go back where you came from is being played out as we speak.
00:18:45.460But it does go to show that like, okay, well, if this is truly where your priorities are, then what's, what is America doing for you?
00:18:53.060And what have you given back to the United States?
00:18:55.220Because if this is the case, so for instance, with D'Souza, then I mean, your entire, you know, corpus of work has been nothing but, you know, you know, colorblind, you know, American classical liberal individualism for me.
00:19:09.140But when it comes to the issues back in my homeland, then, you know, it's everything is far right as possible that serves my interest.
00:19:17.580And we've seen this as well when, you know, prior to Trump getting, you know, inaugurated, there was a major clip going around on the headlines of a U.S. Navy recruiting center that was ran by, you know, Chinese Americans.
00:19:29.700And I say that in quotation marks, where not a word of English was spoken in there.
00:19:33.060It was all Mandarin. And it's just like, okay, on top of all this, we have numerous, you know, Chinese Americans or Chinese individuals who come in on student visas trying to perform, you know, agro-terrorism by bringing in blight and other kinds of fungi that could affect the American agricultural sector.
00:19:49.720And it raises the uncomfortable question of like, okay, well, where do we draw the line on this?
00:19:54.120Because, you know, if you're not afraid to be called a racist, then you should be prioritizing the national interest.
00:20:00.660And that may mean coming at the exclusion of others.
00:20:03.460And it's the same thing with our industry.
00:20:05.220We have allowed corporations and others to outsource or allow them to be taken over through ethnic squabbles and ethnic in-group preference.
00:20:14.380Where ethno-narcissism will get tens of thousands of Americans fired only for them to be offshored and sent to companies in India and other parts of Southeast Asia.
00:20:24.200And I think that that is a damning indictment of our current economic system that we have allowed the, you know, claim or the facade of free market capitalism, of international trade and growth and what's good for the GDP to functionally allow the average American to be eaten alive by out-group ethno-narcissism and the lack of protection for American workers.
00:20:46.780And if the administration was serious about that, they would listen to senators like Eric Schmidt of Missouri, and they would take heed to those that have been warning about this, like the Center for Integration Studies and others for the last several decades.
00:21:01.540And it's just impossible, again, to not notice that all of the staunchest and loudest proponents of H-1B labor tend to have a particular ethnic background.
00:21:12.560And it's the same ethnic background that 71% of all H-1B applications approved come from.
00:21:21.120Now, I'm sure there are smart people in India, but there's no way that, you know, three quarters almost of all visas coming to the United States have to come from this one country because everyone there is just so smart.
00:21:34.300Like, if everyone there was so great and such amazing workers, I imagine India would be a better place, right?
00:21:41.000And this really draws in the questions about the propositional nation.
00:21:44.820You know, can we have this idea of a propositional nation when the people who come in here and say they believe in a proposition, in the case of Vivek and Dinesh and, you know, Nikki Haley, constantly saying how important our proposition is, and this is what makes us who we are, and this is what binds us together.
00:22:01.060Until you notice that actually the proposition means very little to them when kind of the, you know, everything hits the fan, when the chips are down, you know, it turns out that actually the proposition becomes second to kind of this ethnic loyalty.
00:22:15.600And again, I don't necessarily blame people for having that impulse.
00:22:23.920But you can't sell me yourself as this MLK colorblind standard bearer of anti-racism in the United States and then flip a card and immediately become, like, the strongest soldiers for India's, you know, one billion people to come over in the United States.
00:22:40.860There has to be a very clear delineation there.
00:22:45.220You know, I can send a guy named Eisenhower to fight the Germans.
00:22:48.700Like, that tells me something about his level of becoming assimilated.
00:22:54.240Could I do the same thing with Dinesh?
00:22:56.140Could I do the same thing with Nikki Haley?
00:22:59.060I mean, I know she wants to fight every other war, but somehow I feel like if we came to blows with India, there might be a little more questions about where we're sending their troops.
00:23:06.340So it just, you know, it's not just employment.
00:23:09.260It becomes a larger question of social fabric.
00:23:11.520Of course, you know, as you point out, her son, like, you know, there are immigrants who are radically pro the United States.
00:23:52.740There are people who are just unassimilable, but, but, you know, you can probably bring in a few people from most countries and work them into the fabric.
00:24:00.520But when you have large numbers of these people building out communities, I mean, you're in Texas.
00:24:36.620These ethnic neighborhoods don't come apart.
00:24:42.620And we've seen this, you know, they were, someone was just put out some, some data on the number of Muslim mosques that are being built in Texas.
00:24:51.340Let me look that up actually real quick while we're talking about it because it's a shocking number.
00:24:55.080But you just see the level of ethnic concentration that people have in these areas.
00:25:18.940And I mean, we've seen this already happen in American, in major American cities where functionally the, you know, Raspail's number in the Camp of the Saints does not equate to any sort of the horrors that we have in places like Dearborn, Michigan.
00:25:31.780Or, you know, we have a mayor reelect or reelected, a mayor elect, you know, Jacob Frey, who was famous for standing before the golden idol of a criminal's golden casket in 2020.
00:25:43.360But he was basically thanking all of the, you know, Somalian clans or various ethnic, you know, groups or identities inside of Somalia that are now in the diaspora that got them elected.
00:25:54.040And he leveraged that to win over a Somali-born immigrant, you know, Omar Fatah or however it's pronounced to, you know, basically have the white guy win, so to speak, over the very people that wanted to replace him with someone of their own.
00:26:08.240And he only managed to get reelected because of taking advantage of the interscene squabbles with that diaspora group.
00:26:14.240And we've already seen in places like Dearborn and other parts of Michigan where, you know, an all majority, a Muslim majority city council will tell a white person who has been there their whole life that they are not welcome in this city because they object to, you know, the five times a day Muslim prayer call to be used on public services.
00:26:31.140So, and also I think with Texas, I think it's like 48 mosques in the last 24 months.
00:26:36.040Yes, I look at, yes, 48 mosques in the last 24 months.
00:26:41.020So you're getting, you're getting 24 mosques a year.
00:26:47.400And I think it's important because you had mentioned, you know, Eisenhower.
00:26:50.780And then you had said, you know, well, we had a guy with a German last name go fight a war against the Germans.
00:26:54.620Keep in mind in both world wars, World War I and World War II, there were some people from, you know, of German ancestry that went to go fight for the fatherland, but also at the same time, America functionally killed the ethnic identity or diaspora where the amount of German that was being spoken in the United States and the German language newspapers in places like the Midwest functionally died as the United States entered the war and anti-German sentiment rose because we took on the side of the alliance.
00:27:21.440And it really does show that, like, that's kind of what it takes in order for that question of like, well, which side are you on to emerge?
00:27:29.640And because the United States hasn't really engaged in a war in any major area outside of maybe the Middle East, and even then after America lost nearly 3,000 people after 9-11 and we killed, you know, countless thousands over there, and we lost thousands of our own men and women and thousands more to suicide and drugs after the conflict of our soldiers,
00:27:47.700that we've only brought millions of more of those people in who share the same views that they had over there that America is the great Satan and they're, you know, willing to do whatever it takes.
00:28:00.200So, I mean, America is experiencing, I think it's, we're experiencing a very Anglo moment wherein we're witnessing sort of the level of subcontinental influence in conservative politics in the United States, similar to the Tories in the UK.
00:28:13.300And we also had our own Sadiq Khan moment where the largest financial capital and sort of the city America is known for, New York, has been taken over by someone of, you know, immigrant and Muslim descent and is now, you know, leading the charge, you know, riding high on non-American votes or foreign-born Americans, paperwork Americans, just non-Americans voting.
00:28:36.180And it's incredibly frustrating to witness this all take place.
00:28:40.760And so for the administration to fumble on messaging is greatly disheartening.
00:28:44.500And while, yes, we have to be reminded that there has been a lot of steps taken and Trump hasn't even been in office for a year,
00:28:50.600and the big, beautiful bill for all of the hiring for ICE and DHS has yet to really come in with boots on the ground.
00:28:57.080And as we, you know, record this, we're having raids in places like Charlotte, we're having raids in places like El Paso and across the other, you know, and across major metropolitan areas.
00:29:09.120But at the same time, the administration and really the American right and what's, you know, despite it, you know, fractured and it's fighting itself,
00:29:18.000we all share a common enemy, which is the fact that there is a system in place, both that has been instituted by our government,
00:29:25.940but also by large businesses, charities, and foreign dollars pouring in to advocate for the abolition of the American people and the American identity.
00:29:37.120And as much as there is a claim that America is propositional, we are living in the consequence of what that proposition is.
00:29:43.280Because, you know, as Tucker Carlson had told Ben Shapiro one time, there's no Nicene creed of capitalism.
00:29:49.420There's certainly no Nicene creed of what it means to be an American outside of the oath you take at citizenship.
00:29:53.760And if we were serious about that, you know, oath at citizenship and the ceremonies that people have when they're sworn in,
00:29:59.100there's a lot of people who have violated that oath and should easily be deported and denaturalized and sent back to where they came from.
00:30:07.100And I understand that we can't have the system crash down on top of all of us.
00:30:10.380But the basic question of, do you want America to survive in any historical form of what it once was,
00:30:17.260is becoming increasingly difficult to answer or even accomplish.
00:30:21.540Because, you know, at the same time that all this is happening, you know, we have allegedly conservative leadership,
00:30:28.460for instance, Governor Greg Abbott of Texas, who had famously spent his time, you know, in India promoting a trade deal
00:30:34.700and more investment into Texas from India, while his own, you know, base is being ethnically replaced for the sake of,
00:30:42.780you know, greater investment, free trade and good for what's good for business and not what's good for people.
00:30:47.480So to witness Dallas, this, you know, city that when I lived, I grew up overseas as an army brat.
00:30:52.900Like when you said that you were from Texas, people would ask you about Dallas.
00:30:55.700And then they would ask about the TV show Dallas, which is, of course, decades old at this point.
00:30:59.820But it's kind of strange to think that, like, the Texas of that time frame of the TV show Dallas is all but gone.
00:31:06.540And it looks more and more like San Francisco.
00:31:09.420It looks more and more like Dearborn, Michigan, where there are more people on the islands and in the margins trying to panhandle for cash.
00:31:16.920There are open little homeless encampments under every underpass across 75 and 35.
00:31:22.880And it's really depressing to know that, like, this is like red state leadership at work.
00:32:49.040Like, you want to pretend like you are supporting American industry, but you won't pay an American enough to support a kid or buy a home doing a backbreaking job in the sun.
00:33:01.700All like when you're doing that kind of stuff, you have to be constant compensated for the wear on your body.
00:33:06.820You know, this is not pushing papers in an office.
00:33:09.920If you're on the top of a roof or you're lugging, you know, cement around or that kind of thing, tiles, that kind of stuff all day long.
00:33:22.660Yeah, it's easy when you're behind a microphone.
00:33:24.560Yeah, I probably won't retire from doing this intense labor that I'm doing right now.
00:33:28.580I hopefully will be able to handle that until the Lord takes me away.
00:33:32.440If I'm if I'm too physically disabled to do this, we've got much deeper problems.
00:33:37.320But if I was a roofer, well, my time at work is shorter.
00:33:42.100I'm trading equity in my body for this.
00:33:45.060Now, the funny thing is the reason you don't get a lot of white guys in these professions at the entry level is they tend to ascend quickly.
00:33:53.140They're the ones who end up owning the companies.
00:33:54.860They're the ones who end up being managers.
00:33:56.420They're the ones who end up being foremen.
00:33:57.720They tend not to be the guys on the ground every day, but that's because they can speak English and they tend to be more adept at handling the more complicated aspects and they tend to rise to the ranks faster.
00:34:10.360It's not that they didn't enter in at the bottom level.
00:34:13.600And it's not that you couldn't get more of them to do it if you'd raise their pay.
00:34:16.140But the smart money is, well, you don't haul tile, actually, your entire life.
00:34:20.560You don't climb the ladder your entire life.
00:34:24.960You acquire the skill to run a crew and then you enter into management or you own your own business.
00:34:30.600And that's kind of how you retire yourself out of that physical labor while still being inside the industry.
00:34:37.200But that doesn't mean that there aren't people willing to do it, especially, again, if you actually paid people enough.
00:34:42.580And this really is annoying with Elon because this is a guy, with all respect, who has spoken out bravely against ethnic replacement in places like the United Kingdom and even the United States.
00:34:56.940He knows the consequences of making yourself a minority inside the country.
00:35:02.980And yet, while he recognizes all these realities and will even speak about them passionately,
00:35:08.260the minute it comes to affecting his bottom line or, you know, the ability of him to produce a product, all of a sudden those principles just melt away.
00:35:16.580And this is really the money power problem.
00:35:18.940Even though Elon knows, you know, just kind of through experience and academically, the impact of the policies he's talking about.
00:35:26.840When it comes time for him to get his job done, he's just like, well, no, every sacrifice is worth it.
00:35:32.940Of course, I need to bring people in, whoever I need, whatever I need.
00:35:35.960I'm not going to, I'm not going to train Americans.
00:35:38.480I'm not going to pay Americans because that would take time and money.
00:35:42.500And I don't, I want to get everything done as efficiently as I can right now.
00:35:45.900And so over and over again, despite accurately describing, and in many cases, heroically advocating on the part of native people in their own country to be able to work and live and have an identity.
00:35:57.660Once brass tacks, once again, once the chips are on the table, we see that Elon will ultimately default back to this, you know, kind of oligarch, whatever, globalism, bring them in.
00:36:09.220As long as it makes my project cheaper and makes it faster, whatever I need to do, damn the consequences.
00:36:14.460Like that mentality just seems to reenter his thinking and there's, he doesn't seem to have any cognitive dissonance there, right?
00:36:20.880He just is constantly sitting there saying, well, I don't see the difference.
00:36:24.740In fact, he even, he got in an argument with a guy, a Roman, a anonymous account called, I think it's like the Roman helmet guy about, you know, why Rome fell.
00:36:34.640And, you know, he said accurately, the, the, anon said, look, it fell not because just because of birth rates, but because ultimately it became foreign.
00:36:43.100There were too many foreign people in his military and they were allowed in the borders and it lost its cohesion and identity.
00:36:49.700And Elon's like, no, it's just the raw number of people.
00:36:52.620And I understand he's can, you know, concerned about birth rates, but he has literally made the opposite argument.
00:36:57.680Like it matters who's in your country.
00:38:47.440Data Republican has done an amazing amount of work where you can look up these H-1B visas and where they're going.
00:38:52.680When everything from 7-Eleven to the janitor, you know, these sort of low-level, entry-level jobs that I would expect a 20-year-old college student to do to pay for his, like, his car or something.
00:39:05.140And even me saying that is an outdated economic model because you can't really go and pay for your car that way because now everything's so over-financialized.
00:39:11.780Our system has fundamentally prioritized everyone but the United States.
00:39:16.300And so when everyone on this side of things has come out relatively united and said, the American economy serves everyone but America, and we should reorient our focus of putting Americans first, that's a good message.
00:39:31.860I'm not concerned that AI is going to fall behind.
00:39:34.780One, because the military is way too invested in that, and two, most of the H-1B visas and our best people that we invite over to come and work there are probably not the people I'm concerned about.
00:39:44.020I will be if they start handing over that stuff to, you know, foreign countries and foreign powers, all the more reason to have, you know, a greater, you know, security look at all those issues.
00:39:53.420But everyone is focused on the fact that even the lowest-level jobs or even the entry-level positions, when you've lost Fox News to say that, like, 80% of these jobs are going to middle management or entry or lower-level employment jobs, then we have fundamentally screwed the American people over.
00:40:13.340And for someone like Elon Musk, who has been around on this earth long enough to know what South Africa looked like before the Rainbow Nation took over, then he should have a pretty good idea that if that happens to the United States, if that happens to the one place that has been the most gracious host for him, he could show a little gratitude.
00:40:32.680And unfortunately, there's not one person in government, it seems right now, who wants to make that point.
00:40:37.400You are a guest that does not permit you to walk all over the people who have fought and bled and lived here before you got here.
00:40:46.140The people who have witnessed their homes get overpriced or they can no longer afford property taxes because we're building a new tech center.
00:40:54.500We're building new housing because the cities have gotten so expensive because we keep bringing more people in.
00:40:59.940You mentioned the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex.
00:41:03.040The roads are always under construction.
00:41:04.660It's just like someone who is an addict where it's just like, if I have one more lane, all of my infrastructure problems will be fixed.
00:41:11.560No, they won't because the city has an infrastructure for a city that has way too many millions of people that are there for what we have.
00:41:18.900Now, that could be fixed, obviously, but it does come to show that between bringing people in from California, which is fine, they usually vote conservative.
00:41:25.640They helped Ted Cruz get reelected in 2018, that we have prioritized everyone but the United States.
00:41:31.640And at this point, I think that the voter base, the 70-some-odd million Americans that had voted for him, are ready to see these issues actually addressed.
00:41:41.560Because if not, all that we're going to see are more ordeals of civility over the subcontinent, we're going to see more intellectual property theft be taken over to foreign competitors, and we are going to watch the Republican Party, which has always been a beautiful loser, but be even more of a beautiful loser as it helps sell the country away through the Great Replacement under the guise of free trade, economic growth, and an increase to the American GDP in consumer purchasing power.
00:42:07.580Yeah, I just feel like we deserve a better quality of, you know, Gilded Age robber barons.
00:42:16.780You know, like, Carnegie was born in Scotland, I'm pretty sure, and, you know, he came over, and then, yes, he made a ton of money.
00:42:24.380People might have issues with how he did that, but ultimately, he ended up plowing, you know, just infinite amount of his own cash back into the country, building schools, building libraries, building churches,
00:42:35.660building all these institutions. Now, sadly, you know, his fortune haunts us like a ghost moving across the graveyard in the Carnegie Foundation, but, you know, Ford Foundation, many such cases.
00:42:47.600The point is, ultimately, you know, we used to have this understanding where even if a billionaire came from somewhere else, they understood that they had made their money on the backs of the American people,
00:42:58.500and now they owed them something. They were going to reinvest in those people, and Musk just seems fundamentally to not care in that way.
00:43:06.760But speaking of people who are ungrateful to the United States, Vivek Ramaswamy is currently falling behind in his race for the Ohio governorship.
00:43:17.160Now, Ohio is a state that the Republicans should win walking away, and now Vivek is there, and, of course, Vivek has kept all of the positions he had previously,
00:43:29.380all the, like, mainstream conservative, you know, type positions, talk radio conservative positions you would have expected from kind of an economic, you know, conservative 10 years ago.
00:43:41.600And he has, despite speaking the language that a lot of kind of, like, boomers speak on this issue, he's managed to lose a large amount of support.
00:43:50.660And one of the things that they're really hitting him on is the fact that he insulted Americans.
00:43:55.780His opponent, is it Amy Acton, she was actually directly hitting him from the right on this issue, saying,
00:44:02.700you said Americans aren't talented, you said Americans are lazy, you said our culture sucks.
00:44:07.340Like, she's all but saying, hey, you know, we're going to, we're, we're, we're deporting you, didn't need to naturalize.
00:44:12.940And, like, she's, she's one step away from that.
00:44:15.540So when your own, when, when, when Democrats are outflanking you on immigration, because you're so weak and so obvious on this,
00:44:23.160it's funny because a lot of, you know, again, a lot of boomers were really excited about Vivek.
00:44:49.420Like, he's falling behind a Democrat in this scenario, specifically because she's hitting him on the H-1B issue, on the immigration issue.
00:44:57.020And if Republicans can't put people in who are good on this issue, if they can't win on the marquee issue of the MAGA coalition, then what are we doing here?
00:45:08.920Like, at some point, you have to recognize it's not just about his bromides of talking about the free market.
00:45:14.660Vivek is a bad candidate because he doesn't like Americans, and it's obvious.
00:45:18.360And even a Democrat is willing to exploit that when it comes down to the race.
00:45:21.940Yeah, and this is going to be the strategy, I think, that a lot of Democrats will take advantage of.
00:45:29.260Because while they've clearly ignored their whole ability to take the plank out of their own eye, you know, that conversation about how do we win young men back, like, they're probably going to have a way to do so through calling out immigration.
00:45:43.800Amy Acton is going to say these things.
00:45:45.740If she gets elected, it does not matter.
00:45:47.740She will say the right things to win it, and then she will vote to the left of Mao, Stalin, and everyone else, just like a good Democrat will.
00:45:56.460So, for all intents and purposes, Amy Acton is lying to you, and she is doing this for the campaign.
00:46:06.080She will run Ohio into the ground if she's elected.
00:46:08.500Same could probably be said for Vivek Ramaswamy.
00:46:10.400And it is just as tragic that the Republican Party and the Trump and the GOP and the TPUSA chapter in Ohio have gone behind him, and there's not someone who can, you know, better represent Ohio to take the place.
00:46:23.680And when he announced that he was running or that people wanted to take J.D. Vance's Senate spot, who should go?
00:46:29.400I had argued with individuals like Jeremy Carl, who's a great friend to both of us and a great friend to the administration, that, you know, maybe we shouldn't have Vivek in there.
00:46:38.020And this would not be in our interest, either for the Senate seat or for the governorship.
00:46:41.760And unfortunately, this is where we're at.
00:46:44.400And the GOP has a really nasty tendency to go for, and this is why they're such beautiful losers, because they will pursue diversity, equity, and inclusion for everyone but their voter base.
00:46:56.500We saw this in the 2020 special elections in the Senate, where we thought, hey, let's have this guy go in there.
00:47:03.160We saw this in, I think it was in North Carolina, against Roy Cooper, the African-American gentleman who had sort of a crazy online history that makes me blush, and that's saying something.
00:47:13.880And also, of course, most recently with the election in Virginia for the gubernatorial election, that we had someone who was so, just this, you know, wonderful, for lack of better terms, the diversity hire of a candidate,
00:47:27.380talking about, you know, Juneteenth and things like that on her Twitter timeline, that she didn't really speak to the issues that mattered to Virginians in the way that got Glenn Youngkin elected the first time.
00:47:36.980And so it really does come to show that the Republican Party will target and go for anyone but the kind of people that would actually stand up for American interests.
00:47:47.020We need more, you know, Eric Schmitz in the Senate and in every governor, you know, mansion in America than I do anyone like Vivek Ramaswamy or Amy Acton or even Greg Abbott, for that matter.
00:48:02.360And so, and Greg Abbott's just recently run or announced his desire to run for another term.
00:48:06.740So I certainly hope that he is primaried from the right.
00:48:08.660But it does go to show that the Republican Party will happily sacrifice its base and its own nation on the altar of diversity and looking good to win these cool points for left wing and liberal approval than it is to stand up for the people that have been torn apart by fentanyl,
00:48:30.660that has been made overseas and brought in through drug cartels in the United States, that has watched its manufacturing centers become completely de-industrialized and to where,
00:48:41.120and I don't know how this is relatable for you, Oren, but I've been to too many funerals in my lifetime and I turn 30 next month.
00:48:46.700And it's incredibly frustrating to know that, you know, America has been effectively hollowed out, not just by drugs, but by international trade.
00:48:53.600And that this is what I'm told to vote for is someone that is just the same guy on the other side of the ticket who just says the right things and basically has the Black Rifle coffee brand of conservatism and doesn't actually stand for what America needs at the moment.
00:49:08.940And I think that that's really the big frustrating part about this entire messaging and media fumble is,
00:49:15.160is that all of the goodwill and all of the good things that the administration has done in a very short amount of time has been sort of left to squander when their best advocate and interlocutor was shot in cold blood in open daylight for all of us to see.
00:49:31.000There are still numerous questions about what the FBI has done.
00:49:33.960And let's not even forget that the president had, you know, two assassination attempts on him in last year.
00:49:38.940And so I think that it becomes really important that for all these fights and squabbles that people want to have over the Heritage Foundation or Tucker Carlson or all these inquisitions over, you know,
00:49:49.800is my Christianity going to be a problem in the Republican or right wing think tank sphere that there are much bigger issues at hand.
00:49:56.760And it is about the X, you know, the existential crisis of whether or not America, as we know, it gets to survive.
00:50:03.280Pat Buchanan was a prophet when he said, will America survive to 2025?