The Auron MacIntyre Show - Hasan Piker Is a Dangerous Idiot ｜ Guest： The Aristocratic Utensil

00:00:00.240 Hey everybody, how's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy.

00:00:07.240 The discussion around political violence has obviously been very, very active right now after the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:00:16.680 It's become clear to many that the left has been allowed to charge the political environment with a large amount of hatred, vitriol, and direct calls for violence,

00:00:27.500 which I think has ultimately culminated in the type of actions we're seeing from the radicals like Antifa.

00:00:35.240 Now, a lot of people have pointed to a few guys.

00:00:38.780 San Piker is one of them, and he has appeared recently on a New York Times interview with Ross Douthat,

00:00:46.720 which is kind of like the House conservative for the New York Times.

00:00:50.520 I'm not going to count David French. He's completely hopeless.

00:00:53.520 Ross, at least, is, I think, somewhat conservative with,

00:00:57.500 some good insights, and he did a very interesting interview with Hassan Piker,

00:01:03.100 not because it gave you any kind of, I think, deep insights,

00:01:06.760 but ultimately it simply allowed Hassan Piker to kind of reveal ultimately who he was.

00:01:11.620 So I wanted to break that down today. I've clipped some of it together.

00:01:14.680 It's an hour-long interview. You can watch the whole thing if you want,

00:01:17.780 but obviously we can't go through the whole thing because the show is about an hour.

00:01:20.560 So I put together some of the highlights that really cut to what we're discussing,

00:01:25.420 but you can, of course, go and check that out if you'd like.

00:01:29.000 Joining me today to discuss this is a man who has himself commented on the dangers of streamers like Destiny

00:01:34.720 and Hassan Piker. Aristocratic Utensil, thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:01:39.280 Thank you very much. It's good to be back.

00:01:41.360 Absolutely. Well, we're going to play through this.

00:01:44.460 We're going to watch the footage back. We're going to comment and break this down.

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00:02:46.840 All right, Mr. Utensil.

00:02:48.460 So like I said, we were both kind of watching this footage.

00:02:53.380 And before we get into this, just give me kind of your quick reaction overall.

00:03:00.280 How do you think the interview went?

00:03:02.140 What do you think about Douthat and his role in the interview?

00:03:06.580 What are your first impressions?

00:03:08.800 I actually thought because I was looking at the comments as one tends to maybe avoid and

00:03:14.800 maybe should get a clear view first.

00:03:16.400 But, you know, you go through the comments.

00:03:18.280 There was quite a lot of snark towards him, which I thought was quite unfair because I

00:03:22.280 thought he did a fairly amicable job of cutting it down the middle.

00:03:25.580 I mean, he does sort of try to place Hassan in a spot of blame, which I think considering

00:03:32.540 the stuff that Hassan has said is fair enough, really.

00:03:36.380 I think if you were to just listen to what Hassan has said before and you watch this, it's

00:03:42.320 a very minimal amount of accountability.

00:03:44.860 And he ended it fairly all right.

00:03:47.680 But I feel as some of the stuff that he said and for him to just say, well, I don't really

00:03:52.040 mean that is they do it's kind of a cop at this point, but, you know, and I don't like

00:03:57.400 when he just said, like, I should be able to call anybody else a fascist.

00:03:59.940 Well, OK, but if you also say I want to punch everyone that I call a fascist, it's like,

00:04:04.740 yeah, you don't see how this is going to go down a bad road.

00:04:08.200 There needs to be, you know, the limitation that I say is, well, you could say whatever

00:04:11.480 you want, but you're not immune to consequences.

00:04:13.580 Yeah.

00:04:13.740 Well, if you go around punching everyone you don't like, consequences may find you.

00:04:18.140 I it's fairly normal, I would say this is the trick they pull, right?

00:04:22.700 They separate the charge and the call, and then they say, I'm not calling for violence.

00:04:27.260 So they say in one sentence, I should be able to punch a fascist or kill a fascist because

00:04:32.900 fascists are evil.

00:04:34.320 And then they go one, two, three, and you're a fascist.

00:04:37.600 Now, technically, they didn't say, OK, go kill him, but they have broken the order up over

00:04:43.280 two or sometimes they do the call and the response where one guy says we should kill

00:04:47.660 fascist and the other one says, and that guy's a fascist.

00:04:50.560 But no one person issued a call to violence, right?

00:04:53.400 And that seems to be a lot of what Hassan is doing here.

00:04:56.420 It's a lot of like, well, I have not directly, even though we will show actually he has directly

00:05:01.200 called for the murder of people multiple times.

00:05:03.500 Numerous times, actually.

00:05:04.280 Yes.

00:05:04.920 So he lied multiple times, Ross Douthat, but we'll get deeper into that.

00:05:10.120 But the point is that strategy, the one you're pointing out of this kind of call or

00:05:13.420 response or breaking up the call to violence over two statements is something he tries

00:05:17.760 to kind of work in.

00:05:18.920 And I would say this to Douthat's credit, even though he didn't pull every example of

00:05:24.580 Hassan Pecker calling for violence.

00:05:26.420 He did push back every time that Hassan tried to try to say, oh, well, I'm not really.

00:05:31.540 You know, there's there's the space between these like, no, I'm pretty sure that's exactly

00:05:34.780 what you're doing.

00:05:35.680 So he did stay on him, even if he he wasn't as dogged as perhaps we'd like.

00:05:39.280 Yeah, he did openly say, I think you do cheer it.

00:05:43.060 Right.

00:05:43.560 Which he absolutely does.

00:05:44.760 I mean, there's literal evidence of him doing it.

00:05:47.120 So it's not exactly a subtle move.

00:05:49.840 No, it's very much there.

00:05:52.520 So God bless him.

00:05:54.100 I thought he did pretty well, actually.

00:05:56.020 I did, too.

00:05:56.860 Like I said, it's one of those, you know, there's there's two types of interviews when

00:06:01.100 you have someone like this.

00:06:02.640 There's the knock down, drag out, try to nail him to the wall, you know, overpower him

00:06:07.860 rhetorically interview.

00:06:09.760 And then there's kind of the all right, pull it out of them.

00:06:12.920 Let them kind of say it in their own words, sharpen it so everyone can see it.

00:06:16.740 Personally, when I have someone I disagree with on, I tend to go more for what Ross is

00:06:22.940 doing here because I find it you can just try to run people over and it can be effective

00:06:27.600 in sound bites.

00:06:28.520 But I think it's actually more helpful to let people just just pull the most radical

00:06:33.260 elements out of the guy and let him kind of, you know, give him enough rope to hang himself

00:06:37.380 rather than try to to force it on him and shut him down.

00:06:40.940 And that's not going to be Ross Dow.

00:06:42.440 That's, you know, kind of demeanor anyway.

00:06:44.960 But you can kind of I do love you pointed this out.

00:06:47.340 Like the face that Ross is making right here just kind of reflects the entire interview

00:06:51.420 more or less like the kind of mild confusion and disgust.

00:06:54.780 Yeah, so like slightly down of like, what am I actually you can tell about I would say

00:07:00.120 like maybe 10 minutes in is like there's not much going on upstairs.

00:07:03.400 Yeah, really not.

00:07:05.880 Yeah, a lot of what you get is that is that.

00:07:11.140 Ultimately, that Hassan Piker is just an idiot, like he's just an idiot.

00:07:15.360 He doesn't know his own ideology.

00:07:17.100 He doesn't understand.

00:07:18.500 He just he knows a few Marxist cat catchphrases.

00:07:21.900 He's heard the talking point somewhere.

00:07:23.700 But this is not a guy who could like break down even like some of the most basic marks,

00:07:28.860 I don't believe.

00:07:30.060 And and so kind of ultimately he's just using it as a thin veneer for violence,

00:07:35.240 which is kind of what Ross, I think, ultimately reveals this interview.

00:07:39.120 I mean, if you look at Hassan, like he comes from a really wealthy family back in Turkey.

00:07:43.460 He's connected.

00:07:44.280 He's just typical champagne socialist who just says wild shit to get attention.

00:07:49.060 And that's really as far as he goes.

00:07:50.840 I mean, every time I've seen him talk, I just go, you would not do well in any debate.

00:07:56.780 I think in anyone, anyone that is remotely right wing with like an IQ above 95 would be able to destroy him easily just by asking him basic questions.

00:08:07.180 I mean, for goodness sakes, when he was talking with Asmund Gold some months ago,

00:08:09.740 he was talking about like queer liberation in Palestine, like as if should they get security,

00:08:14.940 that is going to be the next logical step for their ancient civilization.

00:08:17.540 It's like, what are you talking about?

00:08:18.820 This is in no way connected to reality.

00:08:20.460 It's just absurd.

00:08:21.700 I actually left the part and at the end where he starts talking about like why there aren't gay rights in the Middle East.

00:08:27.520 So that was one of my favorite parts.

00:08:29.400 We'll get into that.

00:08:30.120 But yeah, it's definitely it's definitely just a an hour long, like warm, you know, like, you know,

00:08:36.780 warm, you know, room temperature IQ trying to trying to operate there.

00:08:41.560 So let's just drive into the video, though, because we've got a decent amount here and I want to make sure we have time to break it down.

00:08:46.260 And the current system, as you said, uses violence.

00:08:51.240 And yeah, all political systems are about the monopoly of force in the end.

00:08:54.780 Right.

00:08:54.980 But you use the phrase redirect violence.

00:08:58.200 What does it mean to say we need to redirect violence?

00:09:02.020 I mean, I first of all, I abhor violence.

00:09:05.100 Let's just start there.

00:09:07.000 Right.

00:09:07.380 Right.

00:09:07.800 So first, that's a complete lie.

00:09:09.580 And we'll play a montage of of the fact that that's just not the case.

00:09:12.920 But this is going to be a core to his argument, Spoon, as he's talking the entire time about how the state is already involved in the violence.

00:09:21.700 And so all he's acting as a asking is to redirect the violence, a.k.a.

00:09:25.700 I would like to use violence against you and the state because the state is already violent on your behalf.

00:09:31.560 So I'm already justified in in hurting you because you're already doing violence to me.

00:09:36.180 And you're a fascist.

00:09:37.640 Right.

00:09:38.340 Right.

00:09:38.780 Right.

00:09:41.100 Right.

00:09:41.380 But violence in this abstract concept would be equivalent to the the structural violence of poverty, for example.

00:09:50.940 So when I'm talking about violence, I want to make it very clear.

00:09:53.700 I'm not talking like go out, take up arms and like start shooting people.

00:09:58.160 Right.

00:09:58.720 I'm talking about the structural violence of poverty.

00:10:01.460 So redirecting that redirecting that in the same way would be the the structural structural violence of equity.

00:10:08.840 Because what what does any of that mean?

00:10:13.200 Seriously, he doesn't know.

00:10:15.500 He does not know.

00:10:16.760 You can even use the structural violence of equity.

00:10:19.880 I don't never heard that phrase in my entire life.

00:10:23.440 It really is just the word salad, because what he's trying to say, like, I know what he's trying to say.

00:10:28.440 Like what he's trying to say is that the very structure of a system that produces poverty is basically doing violence to those who are poor.

00:10:38.300 Right.

00:10:38.760 And so what he wanted to say there is that equity is like somehow the solution.

00:10:43.000 But because he's just a complete idiot, like all he can do is talk about how there's a violence of equity because he literally just doesn't know how to sequence sequence words in a sentence to bring about the appropriate meaning.

00:10:57.000 He's read these somewhere in like a Marxist blog or a podcast.

00:11:02.240 He heard someone who kind of understood Marx and explained it to him, and he's trying to say it back.

00:11:07.780 And it's just embarrassing because he has absolutely no clue what he's talking about.

00:11:13.200 It's again, it's just a thinly veiled way to say, I believe you're already doing violence to me.

00:11:19.840 And so any violence I do to you is therefore justified.

00:11:22.740 Because whenever I hear people argue for this kind of thing, I just want to ask them like a basic question.

00:11:28.600 Is your ideal, the private sphere is making too much money, and you believe the public sphere has the right to basically co-op some of that wealth and basically be the middlemen to spend their wealth in a manner that is more appropriate for the well-being of the people.

00:11:43.560 But I want to ask, like, you don't trust politicians, so why on earth would they listen to you or any of your ideas?

00:11:50.880 And why is that happening now?

00:11:53.580 Because if you can't square that, you can advocate for freaking building a base on Mars.

00:11:59.360 But why is that good?

00:12:03.340 They never get to that far.

00:12:05.080 Well, it is kind of the, like, you know, people who say that the Trump administration is entirely controlled by, like, Israel or something.

00:12:12.340 It's like, okay, if you believe that, that's fine.

00:12:14.820 But then there's no reason to participate in politics at all, right?

00:12:18.080 Like, because they're just completely controlled.

00:12:19.940 So either the government is a system of violence to attack the poor, and that's the only reason the government exists, and there's no reason to participate in politics as such.

00:12:31.180 Or that's not what the government is, and your entire ideology is a lie.

00:12:35.780 Like, and you're just coming up with a reason to hurt people.

00:12:39.400 But it has to be one or the other.

00:12:40.580 You can't tell me, okay, I'm going to do politics to move things in my direction.

00:12:44.540 But also, the entire structure of the political system is designed to do violence to people like me, you know, as he drives this $200,000 sports car.

00:12:54.800 Yeah, so you can't have the slightly approach to, I want to completely flip the switch, because it seems to me that your end goal is, I can't use the current system as it is, I have to overturn it.

00:13:09.120 In which case, any little small change basically just leads to, no, I want revolution, and the small tweaking is just bullshit, basically.

00:13:17.140 Well, I mean, this is what happened to the Tsar, right?

00:13:19.600 Like, the worst thing the Tsar ever did was give in to the peasants' demands, because then they wanted more, and they ended up murdering him.

00:13:24.800 You know, it's kind of the classic communist move.

00:13:28.060 Don't listen to peasantry is basically the, listen from that.

00:13:32.560 Well, and just that there's no such thing as a half a revolution, right?

00:13:35.920 No, that's absolutely true.

00:13:37.520 Yeah, what's the old saying?

00:13:40.420 He who has half a revolution digs his own grave.

00:13:43.560 And that's certainly true in both directions, for those in authority and those who are the revolutionaries.

00:13:51.380 And the graves of many others, actually, as well.

00:13:53.900 I'm sorry?

00:13:54.920 And the graves of many others, as well.

00:13:56.800 Yeah, very, very, very true.

00:13:58.300 A full eradication of unjust wealth?

00:14:01.640 Yes.

00:14:02.040 Would that be fair?

00:14:03.280 That would be a better way to...

00:14:05.800 So the socialist society does not go out and shoot people?

00:14:12.460 No, yeah.

00:14:12.900 Though this has happened in some socialist societies in the past, I should just note.

00:14:20.420 It's very subtle.

00:14:23.840 I will say, that is a very, that's like a very English, dry, you know, slow burn humor there from Ross.

00:14:31.940 I like that.

00:14:32.720 So the socialist society would never say, murder a hundred million people, right, Hassan?

00:14:39.300 That might have happened.

00:14:40.800 What it has, yeah.

00:14:41.800 But in your explanation, which is completely detached from all history and all truth and all reality, like you're obviously just smuggling a violent revolution.

00:14:53.620 It is basically what he's just, you know, he's just dropping that on him, which I appreciate the slow burn on that one.

00:14:59.020 But I don't even think Hassan recognizes the burn either.

00:15:01.940 No, no, no, not at all.

00:15:03.960 He's way too stupid.

00:15:06.080 He's just a slack jaw, chest slapping.

00:15:09.040 I don't know.

00:15:09.660 I don't know how, I don't know if we can say the R word yet on YouTube.

00:15:12.420 I don't know if it's been freed entirely.

00:15:13.840 So I'll hold back just in case.

00:15:14.900 I have it in my videos.

00:15:16.160 So I think you'll be all right.

00:15:17.300 But I want to chance it.

00:15:18.280 But yeah, for the most part.

00:15:20.040 Yeah, I know we're free on Twitter to reclaim our heritage, but I don't know if...

00:15:25.160 Yeah, on Twitter I tend to go ahead with the slurs just because we can.

00:15:28.240 But it goes into, you live in LA, right?

00:15:34.060 Yeah.

00:15:34.280 So it goes into, you know, Beverly Hills or something.

00:15:39.520 And it says today the, you know, the city council has voted to expropriate, expropriate

00:15:46.740 your lavish, undeserved wealth and return your homes to the people.

00:15:51.580 And that's backed up by police power.

00:15:53.940 So it's violent, but it's not, it's not, you know, shooting people against the wall.

00:15:58.040 But like, is that, is that what you mean?

00:16:00.160 That kind of redirection?

00:16:01.300 A similar, yeah.

00:16:01.800 A similar structure I think like has been attempted or, or was exhibited in Cuba.

00:16:06.900 And, and I think it was Fido Castro himself who personally took back any farmland from his

00:16:14.900 own family members that, that went above and beyond what the state had designed.

00:16:19.380 Now, obviously this is a terrifying concept for a lot of people.

00:16:22.400 Yeah.

00:16:22.960 You don't say.

00:16:24.020 I wonder why.

00:16:25.360 I can't imagine.

00:16:26.480 So this idiot is like, well, I mean, obviously the socialist revolution, I abhor, I abhor violence,

00:16:33.180 but here's my first example.

00:16:35.140 And it's literally Fidel Castro murdering tons of people and throwing them in jail.

00:16:40.800 And I love that he throws it.

00:16:41.840 Well, they also took some of his family's farmland as if that is any, in any way, anything but

00:16:47.120 like an obvious, like, you know, just, just, uh, just complete show to, to, to, you know,

00:16:53.320 like Fidel Castro ends up being rich and powerful and has tons of, of, of, uh, uh, uh, privilege.

00:16:59.520 Uh, but like, because they took a little bit of his farmland as this like theater, uh, for

00:17:04.820 fellow comrades, like that somehow justifies it.

00:17:07.740 Like, like, it's just, it's so great that Ross had just walked him into the, like, but,

00:17:12.680 you know, socialist revolutions, they certainly don't kill people.

00:17:14.920 Right.

00:17:15.240 And then like Piker's like, yeah, but let me tell you about my hero, Fidel Castro.

00:17:19.620 Like just phenomenal.

00:17:21.180 He actually gives the example himself, which is like, I don't even like, why are you, I

00:17:28.640 don't even know what to say to that.

00:17:29.640 I, I watched this, but I just thought, why did you just give him the example that he

00:17:33.620 was looking for yourself?

00:17:35.080 Like doubt that I even walked him through like piece by piece.

00:17:40.420 Like, so is this what you mean?

00:17:42.220 Is this the less violent version of this?

00:17:45.820 Like he, like, like he has to like basically spoon feed it to him.

00:17:49.320 Like, you don't really mean you want to murder all of the capitalists, right?

00:17:53.260 Hassan.

00:17:53.780 And he's like, oh no, absolutely.

00:17:55.800 I'm going directly.

00:17:56.800 Yes.

00:17:59.100 Oh, just amazing.

00:18:03.460 Sorry.

00:18:04.140 Okay.

00:18:05.500 To the.

00:18:06.740 So this is so far in the future.

00:18:10.080 Right.

00:18:10.420 Yeah.

00:18:10.500 This is so far out in the future for, for even someone like myself that like, I don't

00:18:15.000 even see the necessity of arguing on how this would work because I'm more invested in,

00:18:21.780 especially in the short term, getting socialized medicine, like getting universal healthcare,

00:18:27.180 getting free schooling all the way up to the college education, especially for public

00:18:31.720 universities.

00:18:33.080 So like you said, spoon, this is just a great example.

00:18:36.600 Like you were highlighting.

00:18:37.740 He's like, okay, well, the state is structurally like doing this violence through poverty.

00:18:43.520 It's preventing the structural violence of equity in his word salad.

00:18:47.920 But, but he then goes on to say, but I'm not even worried about how socialism could actually

00:18:52.980 work because obviously.

00:18:55.620 But, but on top of that, uh, here are all the intermediate things I expect this state, which

00:19:02.580 is designed structurally to destroy the poor.

00:19:05.720 Here's all the things I expected to do incrementally to alleviate that situation.

00:19:11.080 Even though I literally just said it's, it's very structured.

00:19:14.900 It's existence itself is designed to do violence against the poor and prevent exactly the things

00:19:21.180 I'm talking about.

00:19:22.160 So I don't know how to make my socialist utopia work, but I do expect the normal political

00:19:26.960 process, which I have just decried is impossible to utilize to do all of these things that I

00:19:32.780 expect to come from socialism.

00:19:34.240 I would just like to ask him, okay, the current political class has no interest in adhering

00:19:39.940 to any of the ideas that you currently have.

00:19:42.720 What on earth makes you think that anyone that you put on the ballot by whose money I don't

00:19:47.940 freaking know is somehow going to get into power and somehow successfully implement a system

00:19:53.960 that has never, ever been successfully implemented ever?

00:19:56.660 Like how has everyone failed and how will you succeed?

00:19:59.560 I would, I would just like to ask him just that portion of why would anyone, how can you

00:20:05.520 Hassan Piker sitting there for 10 hours streaming somehow hold this massive bureaucratic structure

00:20:11.240 to task?

00:20:12.300 And if it fails, it's because of something they did wrong and not because your entire

00:20:17.200 utopian dream that you don't even know yourself how will actually work is supposed to work.

00:20:23.840 It, it, it, you know, we, we of course make the joke, like, you know, guys like us are

00:20:28.380 always going to make the joke of, of course, even, even the boomers make this joke, right?

00:20:31.760 Like the communist doesn't know how communism works.

00:20:33.900 The communist can't make communism work.

00:20:35.480 The communist ignores all, all arguments or logic and just goes directly to, I want stuff.

00:20:41.520 And then Hassan Piker is like, yeah, actually that's exactly what I'm doing.

00:20:45.440 Like he just blows past it.

00:20:47.020 Like, of course, I don't know how to make socialism work.

00:20:49.840 I'm not even interested in that.

00:20:51.320 In fairness, in fairness for him, he is talking to someone outside of his sphere, which is

00:20:57.740 usually dominated by like no one over the age of 15.

00:21:01.300 So I feel like this is like the first time he's talking to an actual adult.

00:21:05.920 Unless you count Piers Morgan as, no, I don't count Piers Morgan as an adult.

00:21:08.640 But basically, yeah, I think this is like the closest he's come to a sit down with an actual

00:21:16.680 adult espousing or pressing him on actual ideas as how politics works.

00:21:23.220 And I know it wasn't the beginning where the guy asks, is Hassan Piker like the future of

00:21:29.480 the left or is he just someone that exemplifies being online will make you go mad?

00:21:34.960 I think it's probably the last in this case.

00:21:37.960 That is the future of the left.

00:21:39.440 These are one of the same.

00:21:40.840 These are the same thing.

00:21:42.060 Oh, absolutely.

00:21:43.220 Yeah.

00:21:43.460 Hassan Piker is absolutely the future of the left.

00:21:45.860 Don't don't do not fool yourself.

00:21:47.660 It's Hassan Piker's and, you know, and Jasmine Crockett's and Ilhan Omar's all the way down.

00:21:55.780 It's all this really stupid, like barely cogent, third worldist Marxism all the way down,

00:22:02.500 all the way down.

00:22:03.360 That and it will be tinged with this completely unhinged, completely disconnected online persona.

00:22:10.660 So that's why Hassan can run around, you know, and like you said, he's probably never he's

00:22:15.260 never had this conversation with anyone who wasn't trying to get a chunk of his like,

00:22:20.380 you know, wealth or is it like worshipping him online?

00:22:24.040 He's just never had this conversation.

00:22:25.660 And you can tell.

00:22:27.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:22:28.560 No, I agree wholeheartedly with all of that.

00:22:30.600 During that, we have some semblance of government competition, if you want to call it that interferes

00:22:37.120 with the with the regular market to claw back housing prices, for example, by creating public

00:22:43.900 housing, things that exist in other fairly robust social democracies and things that actually

00:22:51.340 a lot poorer nations have been able to develop.

00:22:55.220 Well, here's the thing, Hassan.

00:22:57.820 Hassan, they're poor, like they're still poor, right?

00:23:03.440 Yeah.

00:23:07.520 Explain to me, Hassan, why you are not living in those poorer utopian countries.

00:23:14.000 It's not like you're native to the United States.

00:23:15.920 It's not like you couldn't have moved to them since they've got it all figured out.

00:23:19.100 And it's not like you don't have a massive chunk of money anyway.

00:23:22.960 I mean, you still get paid and poor place.

00:23:25.620 You might have lower taxes.

00:23:26.800 And if it's more taxes, well, you're in favor of the state taking taxes for more shit.

00:23:30.460 So why don't you live there?

00:23:33.140 You know, I am someone who is sympathetic to the government getting involved in shutting

00:23:38.300 down like, you know, BlackRock, acquiring residential real estate and stuff like I'm not a full

00:23:44.100 on libertarian free markets are a suicide packed guy.

00:23:47.440 I'm really not.

00:23:48.520 But like the fact that he has just not thought through even the smallest implication of a

00:23:55.620 a murderous ideology that he espouses for seven or eight hours online every single day.

00:24:02.000 He goes into this on the show.

00:24:04.120 He spends seven or eight days or seven or eight hours, seven days a week streaming.

00:24:09.820 So he just does nothing but battle on in the stream of consciousness all day long.

00:24:14.080 But he still does has not thought about the most basic ramifications of his own ideology is just

00:24:20.760 fantastic.

00:24:21.860 The perfect communist, really.

00:24:24.160 Yeah, I will say, though, I think as far as his ideology is concerned, I don't think he's ever

00:24:29.580 thought about the concept of power in any capacity outside of power will always be benevolent for the

00:24:36.260 things I want.

00:24:37.080 And if only we have people of my stripe in power, they will be the benevolent and the

00:24:42.700 goodest boy ever.

00:24:43.620 And I was like, this is like a 13 year old's idea of any human society's work.

00:24:49.060 Too many students are packed into overcrowded classrooms in Ontario schools, and it's hurting

00:24:54.700 their ability to learn.

00:24:56.520 But instead of helping our kids, the Ford government is playing politics, taking over school boards

00:25:01.700 and silencing local voices, it shouldn't be this way.

00:25:05.380 Tell the Ford government to get serious about tackling overcrowded classrooms, because smaller

00:25:10.480 classes would make a big difference for our kids.

00:25:14.120 Go to buildingbetterschools.ca.

00:25:16.200 A message from the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario.

00:25:19.460 My God, this is why I'm slightly pushing back when you say, is this what the left is really

00:25:24.300 about, because I just can't conceptualize a world where anyone is that stupid, like for

00:25:30.940 a consistent generation, because it's just so obviously horseshit.

00:25:37.560 Yeah.

00:25:39.340 So I think the thing is not, so the thing is not, you have to look at it this way.

00:25:44.240 You can say, well, Marxism is this system of, you know, intellectual pursuits.

00:25:50.520 And there's a, there's a, there's a level at which Marx is actually doing some level

00:25:54.480 of intellectual, um, uh, you know, work.

00:25:58.260 Right.

00:25:58.780 Right.

00:25:58.980 Like ultimately I, I disagree with his conclusions, uh, and even some of his observations, but

00:26:04.600 there is there, you know, Marx is not a stupid man.

00:26:07.060 He might be evil, but he's not stupid.

00:26:09.260 But the people like Hassan Piker who pick him up, these people are, it's just, it's just

00:26:14.900 ethnic grievances to steal money from people and kill them.

00:26:17.800 That's it.

00:26:18.540 That's all it is.

00:26:19.420 Like it really is just that it's like when you, when you try to do the 90 chess with

00:26:23.640 the Marxism, uh, that's where you're just vastly overestimating the intelligence of people

00:26:28.440 who are too stupid to build what you build and they just want to steal it from you.

00:26:32.780 Yeah.

00:26:33.220 I think as far as sort of that ideology is concerned, or frankly, like anyone who advocates

00:26:38.980 for this kind of stuff, I always feel this, there's like an indoctrination hierarchy, if

00:26:44.260 I can put it that way in the sense that people who are, say for example, they've level three

00:26:50.320 level of indoctrination prowess.

00:26:52.280 They can only indoctrinate people on like level two and below.

00:26:56.280 And like, once you start to go up the rank and if you have like level four destructive

00:27:00.040 powers, you can take on a level three and just blow them out the water.

00:27:02.880 Cause I've noticed there's certain people that can somewhat provide a comprehensive perspective

00:27:08.260 of their worldview, like a teacher.

00:27:10.240 But once you go above a certain pay grade of what they're supposed to be indoctrinating,

00:27:14.800 you, you really see how stupid they actually are.

00:27:16.840 And that's, that's sort of bit that I find horrifying is there's a legion of them.

00:27:21.000 You can just flip like a switch and their entire worldview crumbled.

00:27:25.260 And I was kind of look at those people and think, okay, if the right were to take power,

00:27:30.400 what do you actually do with these people?

00:27:32.780 Cause I imagine there's a fair few of them that will just acquiesce to the new power structure

00:27:36.500 because that's what most of them would do.

00:27:38.480 But it's the ones that still believe in this crap to make me go, okay, this is serious

00:27:43.360 conversation to do about what people who are this insane.

00:27:47.700 Yeah.

00:27:47.820 There's definitely one of those scenarios where you recognize, as you say, if you, if you

00:27:51.220 take power and you control the elite structures, then some of these people simply fall

00:27:55.100 in line because that's what most people do.

00:27:56.940 But there is going to be a, like that Vanguard, that cadre, that true believers who are going

00:28:02.000 to have no future if the right takes power and those people will get violent.

00:28:06.840 They, they will absolutely lose their minds.

00:28:09.600 And in that case, uh, yeah, something more becomes necessary.

00:28:12.760 Uh, but, uh, just good governance.

00:28:17.220 Okay.

00:28:18.520 I'm sick and tired of it.

00:28:20.840 Left wingers.

00:28:21.840 So I, I wanted to edit in, uh, after he claims he's not interested in violence.

00:28:26.380 Here's a montage of, uh, Hassan calling for direct violence multiple times.

00:28:31.800 Liberals.

00:28:32.440 You need to be fucking showing your opponent's guts on there.

00:28:37.020 Okay.

00:28:37.420 You need to be gutting them.

00:28:39.220 You need to be shanking these motherfuckers and letting their fucking, letting their intestines

00:28:45.000 just ride on stage.

00:28:47.060 What the fuck is this shit, man?

00:28:50.020 Slice them up, slice them and fucking dice them.

00:28:53.860 What the fuck is this?

00:28:55.500 You know, just rejecting violence, just completely rejecting violence.

00:29:00.080 He, he, he, he, he, he det, det, detests it on every level, you know?

00:29:03.100 I've been poor Bellevue driver.

00:29:08.220 I'm going to kill you with my AR 15.

00:29:10.880 Like that's what the, that's the type of messages they were leaving in this dude's, uh, of this

00:29:16.260 dude's office.

00:29:17.580 And he's resigning.

00:29:19.820 Like he's literally, this is his last term.

00:29:22.940 So, so I think that people are a lot more radical.

00:29:27.380 It's hurt poor people that they can, they, they can afford housing in Berkeley.

00:29:31.560 I don't know how my, my, well, my understanding is that the property owners who have properties

00:29:36.380 there choose just not to rent it at all.

00:29:38.300 Yeah.

00:29:38.580 Kill them.

00:29:39.180 Kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the street.

00:29:41.860 Let the streets, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist bloods, dude.

00:29:47.320 I think you push for it.

00:29:49.540 So again, like just.

00:29:51.220 Hold on a second.

00:29:52.680 That most, but it's funny is that the people that don't want to rent, that don't want money,

00:29:58.280 you are calling them capitalists.

00:30:00.380 That strikes me as kind of bizarre.

00:30:02.940 That's kind of a strange thing to admit.

00:30:04.820 I just realized that that, that bit doesn't really make any sense.

00:30:07.720 It's on why you, you, you want to kill them because they don't want to provide a service.

00:30:11.800 That's okay.

00:30:14.080 Um, what?

00:30:16.340 Yeah, it, it, it, well, the, the left has a particular thing for landlords.

00:30:20.200 Um, but, uh, but it really is just undeniable that, yeah, this guy is an insane, violent

00:30:25.740 person who is regularly calling for murder.

00:30:28.280 He also, they get into the fact that he called for Rick Scott's death as well.

00:30:32.680 Uh, so like, this is, this is something that he has done very regularly.

00:30:36.120 And so all of his BS about, oh, well, I, I, you know, it's not violence.

00:30:40.580 I'm just looking for an inversion of the structural violence.

00:30:43.640 No, he is directly calling for vigilante murder, like regularly on his stream.

00:30:48.320 It's not speculation.

00:30:49.720 There's no debate about this.

00:30:51.140 The evidence is plain.

00:30:52.140 And, you know, he, he goes on in the interview about how this is out of context.

00:30:55.600 Help me out.

00:30:56.580 Uh, here's spoon.

00:30:57.560 In what context does it, you know, say murder the landlords.

00:31:01.020 I want to see their, their, their red capitalist bloods.

00:31:03.980 Cause you know, third world is, I want to see their capitalist bloods in the street.

00:31:08.620 Uh, I mean, really what, what other, what context would make this work for him?

00:31:14.180 I don't really think there really is one.

00:31:15.860 I mean, you're literally just calling for people to be killed.

00:31:17.680 That's like literally some Caesars Legion shit from fall.

00:31:20.180 It's like, no, it's like, what are you doing?

00:31:23.400 Also, I, someone needs to kind of tell him, do you know that he was, um, he said he's not

00:31:31.080 going to TwitchCon this year because not for, not for fear of his own safety, but because

00:31:36.980 he doesn't want to put anybody else in jeopardy.

00:31:38.760 I'm like, dude, like who the hell believes that shit?

00:31:41.340 Like, really?

00:31:42.480 Like, come on.

00:31:45.240 I mean, yeah, that, that's, uh, what, what, what would he be implying there?

00:31:49.160 So the, let's say, let's give the most generous interpretation of that, right?

00:31:52.840 That like Hassan Piper truly is worried about the, the wellbeing of people who disagree with

00:31:58.100 him.

00:31:58.540 Isn't he then just admitting that his own side is hyper violent and might kill someone on

00:32:02.720 his behalf?

00:32:03.360 Like, isn't that, isn't that the actual, that's the thing that's the most generous

00:32:08.560 interpretation, but I don't think it's probably the most accurate as well.

00:32:11.120 Cause I didn't think about it until you just said like, oh yeah, that actually is what he's

00:32:14.080 trying to imply.

00:32:15.320 Right.

00:32:15.820 Right.

00:32:16.120 So, so, so if we're just assuming he's not afraid of, of the backlash from all the stuff

00:32:20.340 he's done, but even if that's true, all he's saying is my supporters are so unhinged

00:32:24.380 and violent and I have trained them to murder people.

00:32:26.660 So if I show up to a public event, they might just do it because someone disagrees with me.

00:32:30.840 So that's why I'm not going, and I don't want to be held liable for actually doing that.

00:32:34.320 Despite the fact that there's many, many instances of me actually doing it online that you can

00:32:37.480 see any time on frigging Twitter at a moment's notice.

00:32:40.160 Yeah.

00:32:40.540 The fact that this guy is not in jail and did platform from everything just shows you that

00:32:44.080 the left is still in control of the vast majority of the culture.

00:32:46.220 The fact that this guy has a bank account, like if this guy was Richard Spencer, he would

00:32:49.820 be, you know, the platform from everything.

00:32:51.880 He would be unable to hold a position anywhere.

00:32:54.360 His assets would be seized.

00:32:56.220 He couldn't do any banking.

00:32:57.380 And that's if he wasn't in jail, right?

00:32:58.840 Like, so this is just still very obvious that the left still ultimately controls a large

00:33:03.540 amount of machinery in America, despite the fact that the right has won some victories.

00:33:08.520 Yeah, agreed.

00:33:10.520 And I think you like to play with the rhetoric of violence.

00:33:14.840 So like you were suspended from Twitch, I think for a day, and there was an argument you

00:33:19.140 were having about Medicare fraud, right?

00:33:21.140 And the GOP was going to crack down on Medicare fraud.

00:33:24.060 And you said, well, if they really cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would

00:33:27.840 kill Rick Scott.

00:33:29.080 This is the Florida senator, and it's a reference to the fact that Scott's company paid some

00:33:34.060 huge fines for they were engaged in some kind of Medicare fraud.

00:33:37.480 Right.

00:33:38.040 But you didn't say we should put Rick Scott in jail for Medicare fraud.

00:33:43.060 Right.

00:33:43.400 You said if you cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud, you would Rick Scott.

00:33:48.800 Scott, OK, you wouldn't make Rick Scott, former governor of Florida, Rick Scott, you wouldn't

00:33:54.460 make him a prominent part of the Republican Party.

00:33:58.420 Well, this was for the record.

00:34:00.240 Yeah, this was in response directly to Mike Johnson.

00:34:04.520 And it is something that I take ownership over.

00:34:06.680 I did.

00:34:07.080 I did apologize for the language that I use instead of saying, like, you know, just you

00:34:10.300 should jail Rick Scott.

00:34:11.620 Right.

00:34:12.080 When their grandparent has cancer and then that treatment is denied or the coverage is

00:34:17.460 denied, even though they're paying these incredibly costly premiums to this health care company,

00:34:21.560 they view that as murder.

00:34:23.980 They.

00:34:25.060 So we're just getting the straight up.

00:34:27.100 Yeah, you should just be killing any health care official.

00:34:29.740 Yeah, I kind of apologize for language, but like you can understand why someone would would

00:34:34.740 would say murder Rick Scott, because I just did.

00:34:37.980 That's exactly what he's trying to explain here.

00:34:40.540 I regret my words, but now allow me to contextualize and justify what I said.

00:34:44.440 Right.

00:34:45.400 You see, you're taking out of context and the context is I meant every single word.

00:34:49.720 Right.

00:34:49.900 Like, that's what he's saying.

00:34:55.620 The funny thing I mean is he does that multiple times throughout this entire interview.

00:34:59.920 Yeah, which which again, I think at no point does he stop and realize that, oh, I should

00:35:03.640 probably stop doing this.

00:35:04.700 No, no, he is so dumb.

00:35:07.120 It's it's incredible.

00:35:07.920 Like, he really is like it.

00:35:09.560 Like, he cannot the neurons do not fire on this dude.

00:35:12.660 OK, but the fact that doubt that just kind of walks him into this like he just walks into

00:35:17.680 this rake so many times, you know, I like it.

00:35:20.580 Like you said.

00:35:21.100 Yeah, no, he's doing it deliberately, but yeah, you have to imagine.

00:35:26.360 Yeah.

00:35:26.560 View that as as a tremendous wrong that was done to them.

00:35:33.680 And I seek to address these problems so that there isn't decentralized forms of violence

00:35:38.780 where people make up their own minds and assume that they have the the righteous vindication and

00:35:45.320 they're going to go out and do things like this.

00:35:47.380 I don't know, man.

00:35:47.960 I think you're kind of a hype man for it, though.

00:35:51.180 What did he what did he just say?

00:35:52.800 He said decent so that there isn't decentralized forms of violence.

00:35:57.360 He means vigilante violence.

00:35:59.120 So he said so.

00:36:00.340 So his his attempt here is to say, well, I am discussing this and the discussing of murdering

00:36:07.000 Rick Scott.

00:36:07.600 I'm calling for the murder of Rick Scott because I don't want it because I want to have a conversation

00:36:11.820 that'll that'll explore these issues.

00:36:14.180 And then that way there won't be vigilante violence while I literally tell someone go

00:36:19.120 kill Rick Scott.

00:36:20.380 Right.

00:36:20.640 Like that's that's the the insane lie, of course.

00:36:23.540 And, you know, that's why I'm glad Douthat is immediately like, no, I think you're just

00:36:27.460 cheerleading for it.

00:36:28.220 Like you worship Luigi Mangione.

00:36:30.120 Like you were talking about how amazing this guy was.

00:36:33.260 Like, it's very clear what you're doing with your audience.

00:36:35.680 You're not discussing this to turn down the temperature.

00:36:38.560 You're specifically discussing this to turn up the temperature.

00:36:41.760 And I can tell because you're literally calling for the murder of elected officials.

00:36:45.740 Yeah, that's just why I was confused.

00:36:47.300 Like, I'm not a fan of, you know, vigilante justice, but let's kill the guy.

00:36:51.660 I'm like, what?

00:36:54.440 Again, it's it's this two step of like, well, I'm discussing the issue so that we don't do

00:36:59.140 this.

00:36:59.900 But when I'm discussing the guy, I'm suggesting we do this.

00:37:02.460 Like you're yes, I agree.

00:37:07.260 You're doing analysis and sometimes the analysis that you're people would have celebrated Luigi

00:37:12.180 Mangione, obviously, without you, Hassan Piker, talking about him all the time.

00:37:16.620 Right.

00:37:17.060 But I listen to the way you talk about him.

00:37:18.940 Like you're fascinated by him, too.

00:37:20.860 You're participating in the fascination.

00:37:22.800 And you're doing a thing where you're like, well, you know, I'm not saying violence is

00:37:28.140 good, but you've got to understand that there's other forms of violence in society besides

00:37:33.620 this one.

00:37:34.360 And people who like Mangione, they're saying this violence maybe isn't as bad as that

00:37:40.360 kind of violence.

00:37:41.000 What I just find fascinating about this entire thing when it comes to medicine is that these

00:37:48.220 people will cheer on the death of a CEO.

00:37:51.180 But when it was the red sniffle season, you had people who went out and got tattoos of Pfizer.

00:37:56.560 Thank you.

00:37:59.080 So you will basically cheer on anything that the state does, even if it is getting those

00:38:05.020 same entities that you hate, that has too much sway over state power, apparently, you

00:38:10.840 have no problem when the state gives them a crap load of your money through the complete

00:38:15.200 bullshit reasons.

00:38:18.820 None of these people believe is in any way remotely connected to any kind of principled

00:38:24.380 system.

00:38:25.300 No, none.

00:38:26.660 No.

00:38:27.260 And there's a couple of amazing things about this.

00:38:30.340 Right.

00:38:30.760 So two things.

00:38:31.440 One, the left, you know, they they championed giving the drug companies immunity for any

00:38:39.500 vaccine harm.

00:38:40.800 Right.

00:38:41.340 So not only were they praising Pfizer, worshipping Pfizer, like getting tattoos, but they also

00:38:48.080 were giving specific legal advantages that shielded them from any responsibility for the

00:38:53.500 very harm that they were doing.

00:38:55.320 And let's not forget, in the United States, a lot of people don't cover this.

00:38:59.020 They don't think about this because ultimately the vaccine ended up being a disaster.

00:39:02.720 But back when the government thought the vaccine was going to work, they declared a

00:39:07.240 priority for people of color over white Americans who were older, even though the white Americans

00:39:13.780 were more likely to die of the disease because they wanted to prioritize blacks and Hispanics

00:39:20.000 and others.

00:39:20.500 So they literally issued a death sentence in their mind.

00:39:23.460 Again, the vaccine was a disaster.

00:39:25.000 So this isn't how it played out.

00:39:26.400 But we don't talk about this enough.

00:39:27.640 The United States government issued basically a death sentence to white Americans who were

00:39:32.620 too old because they preferred minorities over them.

00:39:37.240 But you're not going to hear any about that, you know, all the evil stuff the drug company

00:39:41.180 did from Hassan Piker because he doesn't care.

00:39:43.440 He supports all this stuff.

00:39:44.420 Right.

00:39:45.700 I do.

00:39:46.520 I did find it funny when you had the you had the vice presidential debates and Kamala Harris

00:39:52.060 was asked about taking it.

00:39:53.260 And she said, if the scientists tell me to take it, I will take it.

00:39:56.660 But if Donald Trump tells me, I won't take it.

00:39:59.240 And we won't use the federal government.

00:40:00.900 But when they got in power, they use the federal government, even though it was the exact same

00:40:04.900 thing.

00:40:05.580 Right.

00:40:06.640 I'm going to think.

00:40:07.120 Yeah.

00:40:08.540 How do you not look at this?

00:40:10.020 These people are just full of shit.

00:40:11.320 It's just I man.

00:40:13.480 Again, like you said, there's no there's no coherent ideology.

00:40:17.820 There's no principle here.

00:40:18.820 No, I hate you.

00:40:19.900 And I want to steal your stuff and I want to kill you.

00:40:22.640 That's it.

00:40:23.160 That's all Hassan Piker is.

00:40:24.900 That's exactly.

00:40:25.580 It was.

00:40:26.320 Yeah, it was what the line that Curtis used is Curtis Alvin is basic chimp politics.

00:40:32.480 Yeah, it's true.

00:40:33.400 It is.

00:40:33.880 It is basic chimp politics.

00:40:35.920 Yeah.

00:40:36.040 All the ideology is just a veneer.

00:40:37.900 At the end of the day, it's I want people to look like me to kill people like you and take

00:40:42.140 their stuff.

00:40:42.560 That's it.

00:40:43.300 That's all there is to it.

00:40:44.420 All the Marxists and all the other stuff.

00:40:46.340 It's there.

00:40:46.820 It's part of it.

00:40:47.640 But ultimately, that's not the core ideology.

00:40:50.300 The core ideology is friend, enemy, whatever it takes.

00:40:54.380 Yes.

00:40:54.720 When the when the pharmaceutical industry is, you know, planning to kill white people and

00:41:00.400 giving the drug manufacturers cover and giving them special immunity, I'm on the side of

00:41:07.020 the state.

00:41:07.500 And when, you know, they're they're denying health care to poor people and one of my guys

00:41:11.500 shoots them, I'm on the side of the vigilante.

00:41:14.000 No, no principle.

00:41:15.320 Just just, you know, did my friend do it?

00:41:17.620 Did my enemy do it?

00:41:19.240 Yeah.

00:41:20.320 Just seems to me like you're not the guy who starts the revolution, but you're the violence

00:41:26.200 appreciator.

00:41:27.060 That's that's sort of how I feel about your Mangione coverage.

00:41:30.520 You're you're out there.

00:41:31.480 You're appreciating.

00:41:32.880 It's like, OK, tell me why it's not fair.

00:41:34.880 But the reason why I'm saying I wouldn't say that that's fair is because, like, I do make

00:41:38.660 it obviously very clear that and I refer to this over and over again, adventurism and

00:41:45.520 people taking matters into their own hands is a mere reaction to the social contract unwinding

00:41:54.060 in real time in front of us.

00:41:55.540 I don't think this is a good thing.

00:41:57.900 I want to make sure that we have a system that helps everyone.

00:42:03.060 And and a part of that is creating the same social stability that existed.

00:42:07.000 Now, you can do that by force, by stamping out dissent and moving in the direction of

00:42:12.100 the Trump administration, or you can try and do that by by addressing some of these inequities

00:42:18.920 that exist that do actually harm a lot of people.

00:42:21.880 Right.

00:42:22.100 So the thought here is that the Trump administration, you know, the one that we threw several guys

00:42:30.860 from in jail, like Steve Bannon, the one that we tried to throw the president himself in

00:42:35.900 jail, the one where we threw all the J6ers in jail, we threw abortion protesters in jail,

00:42:41.320 we put Robert Stone in jail, we raided the president's house in the middle to go after

00:42:46.340 files, say, you know, lying and saying that he had top secret files and new codes that he

00:42:51.140 didn't have all that stuff we did to try to put our political opponents in jail.

00:42:56.040 Well, you know, that's not that's not state violence.

00:42:59.180 But the Trump administration saying, hey, don't do that anymore is somehow violence.

00:43:04.820 Like the Trump administration say, you can't tell lies about assassinations on TV without

00:43:09.180 consequences.

00:43:10.400 That one is the violence.

00:43:11.740 And ultimately, I'll just I'll just I'll just address inequity while I like throw all of

00:43:17.300 my political opponents in jail forever or try to shoot them live on television.

00:43:22.360 Yeah.

00:43:24.520 Hell of an ideology, isn't it?

00:43:26.300 Everyone that I dislike is wrong at all times, and I'm never wrong about anything ever.

00:43:30.500 And I have a blank and I have a blank check to do harm to them, both through the state

00:43:36.480 and through vigilante justice.

00:43:38.140 I'll I'll say something like I abhor violence, but don't get me wrong.

00:43:41.360 I'm going to call for your murder.

00:43:42.900 And I'm going to say, ultimately, I abhor the violence.

00:43:45.620 But all these people are really justified because the system is violent.

00:43:49.280 And if the system is violent, then, you know, people are just going to be violent and murder

00:43:52.820 you.

00:43:53.120 And you just have to deal with that.

00:43:54.300 If you don't do what I want.

00:43:55.280 This is basically what it is.

00:43:56.600 If you don't do what I want, if you don't if you don't fulfill my political ideology

00:44:00.700 and my political goals, then the people will just murder you.

00:44:03.460 I'm not saying they should.

00:44:04.360 I'm not saying they should.

00:44:05.080 But here I am with this gun to your head and it might just go off.

00:44:07.760 It might just go off.

00:44:08.600 It won't be my fault.

00:44:09.440 I abhor violence.

00:44:10.460 But if this gun goes off in your head, it's your fault because you didn't do what I said.

00:44:14.520 And if you scream help, I will say, no, you're violating my First Amendment right.

00:44:19.360 Exactly.

00:44:20.560 Exactly.

00:44:21.280 Because I don't think you disagree with my assessment that systems are inherently violent.

00:44:26.600 No matter which way they go.

00:44:29.280 And I assume you understand what I mean when I say, like, the social murder of tens of

00:44:35.660 thousands of Americans in the process of having their health care coverage denied.

00:44:40.240 But I want to examine the contradictions of even what you just said.

00:44:44.440 Interesting cut right there.

00:44:46.120 Yeah.

00:44:46.420 Well, I cut that for the next one here.

00:44:48.900 But I want to say, this is an interesting, you notice the social murder, right?

00:44:54.080 So the system existing is already murder.

00:44:57.560 And so me, the vigilante, I'm just avenging the murder of the system, right?

00:45:03.140 And that's all that's happening here.

00:45:05.140 But I will say, I appreciate that Ross throughout the interview, he doesn't walk away from the idea that that states are inherently violent forces.

00:45:15.060 They are the monopoly on violence.

00:45:16.580 That is there.

00:45:17.780 That is a truth, right?

00:45:18.700 That is just a political reality.

00:45:19.940 The difference is, when we, you know, when we look at these systems, and you and I have our own consequence, you know, our own criticisms of democracy.

00:45:28.180 But when you look at democracy, the idea, at least in theory, is yes, the state has the monopoly on force.

00:45:33.740 And what you have is a debate on how the monopoly on force should be used.

00:45:38.020 And if one side loses that debate, then that is simply what happens, right?

00:45:42.980 Like, the system's agreement is that you and I debate on this, and ultimately, you know, I win the debate, and now the state does what I want while I'm in power.

00:45:53.020 And then I have to be careful about what the state does, because if you step into power, then you could wield the same power against me.

00:46:00.200 Again, we both have our own criticisms of that system.

00:46:02.660 But the point being is that is what, you know, is generally considered the argument for how this works.

00:46:08.920 For Hassan, he says, no, if you control any part of the state, if I ever lose the debate, then the use of the state on your behalf is basically murder.

00:46:18.020 And so I have, if I lose the political contest, then I have a blank check to respond to your social murder in kind.

00:46:27.160 It basically, you know, politics, if I win, I'm allowed to use the state however I want to steal your money and steal your stuff and hurt you.

00:46:34.240 But if I lose, then I'm allowed to shoot you because you're going to use the state to do the same to me.

00:46:39.680 And so there is no losing in politics for Hassan.

00:46:42.280 Either he wins and controls the state and punishes his enemies, or he loses and he kills his enemies to make sure they don't do the same to him.

00:46:50.700 Very convenient, that, isn't it?

00:46:52.800 It's amazing.

00:46:54.580 I mean, it's just pure power.

00:46:56.760 And so in a way, I appreciate him taking the mask off for everybody.

00:46:59.240 We don't have to give the illusion of democracy, or we don't have to pretend that Hassan believes in, you know, a peaceful transfer of power of the state and its monopoly on violence to someone who he disagrees with on, you know, the contention that they won an election.

00:47:12.800 He does not believe in that.

00:47:13.920 He thinks if someone who isn't him takes power, he should be able to kill them.

00:47:17.720 Yeah.

00:47:18.180 It's a political equivalent of heads I win, tails you lose.

00:47:21.560 Right.

00:47:22.260 Heads I win, tails I shoot you in the face.

00:47:24.720 Right?

00:47:24.920 Like, that's kind of the...

00:47:25.880 Yeah.

00:47:26.620 That's the game being played.

00:47:27.600 It's a slogan for him, actually.

00:47:28.500 Like, yeah.

00:47:30.740 You say abortion is murder.

00:47:33.140 I obviously don't agree with that.

00:47:35.260 I'm pro-choice.

00:47:38.920 I think it's a matter of bodily autonomy, and the government shouldn't interfere in this, between a medical professional and a woman.

00:47:46.080 Having said that, you get to argue about women's bodily autonomy being potentially removed by making the argument through the systematized version of violence.

00:48:04.400 Because I think, as you would probably also recognize abortion restrictions have come down in numerous states since the decision of Roe v. Wade was overturned.

00:48:13.080 And in the process, women have found themselves in this unique predicament where they can't even get their ectopic pregnancies dealt with because their medical professionals are worried about potential prosecution.

00:48:25.320 This has led to a lot of pain, this has led to a lot of pain and a lot of torment, and maybe even in some instances, death.

00:48:31.820 When you argue on behalf of the pro-life position, you don't have to say, like Bill O'Reilly did, Tiller Tiller, the baby killer, and then someone goes out and actually shoots a doctor.

00:48:46.140 You can simply say, I'm not putting words in your mouth, I don't know what your position is, or your advocacy around abortion, but someone of this mindset can easily just advocate for the harm that is done to millions of Americans, potentially, without uttering a single word that could be considered remotely violent by the broadest

00:49:15.840 subjects of American society.

00:49:17.300 So again, it's straight up, you know, my violence is speech, your speech is violence, right?

00:49:24.340 You are advocating for a policy, a policy that the majority of Americans, you know, at least used to believe in, and a large percentage of Americans do today.

00:49:34.800 But by simply advocating for this basic political position, which has existed in the United States basically the entire time this has been a debate, you are doing violence.

00:49:45.840 To women, to me, like, you're, you're just advocating this means you control a system and that system will visit violence on them.

00:49:53.900 And therefore, I have a justification to fight you, to fight back, to do violence to you, because you are already engaged in violence simply by existing as my political opponent.

00:50:03.560 And that's really all he's saying here.

00:50:05.420 You have differing political views, and your political views, simply being espoused, are violence on me.

00:50:11.680 And so I have, again, a blank check from the beginning, from the word go, simply because you hold these positions that says, I should be able to murder you.

00:50:20.280 And I will call for it, which he has.

00:50:22.660 Like, I will call for your murder simply because you have a political position I disagree with.

00:50:28.680 And there is nothing immoral about it.

00:50:30.360 I am in the right doing that.

00:50:32.300 There is no free speech.

00:50:33.360 The minute you say a political opinion I disagree with, you are, you are arguing on behalf of systemic violence.

00:50:40.180 And therefore, I have the right to engage in direct violence.

00:50:45.100 I would like to know what is his perspective of bodily autonomy when it came to the, the needle of doom during the red sniffle season.

00:50:52.040 Um, yeah, I imagine he probably was not for bodily autonomy during that particular period.

00:50:56.200 Then it was all for the good of the country and all that, you know, hippie bullshit.

00:51:00.860 But, um, I would, I would like to ask him if he realizes how many people before were pro-choice because they had a more libertarian view on it.

00:51:10.600 And then they saw the amount of people, women, especially that were glorifying it to the point where you go, that's kind of gross.

00:51:17.140 And you became pro-life just because, okay, you women are clearly disgusting and evil and someone should really clamp down on you because your behavior is morally abhorrent.

00:51:25.960 Well, and ultimately the point is that it, the, the, the simple, the, the idea that simply because you could advocate for it could, because remember, Hassan advocates for straight up like wealth confiscation.

00:51:39.840 And you notice early on, he says, well, I don't even want to think about how that works.

00:51:43.220 Of course you don't because how it actually does impact you.

00:51:46.400 Well, well, yes, but also it works.

00:51:48.660 It works with guys with guns showing up to your door and stealing your stuff at gunpoint.

00:51:53.460 That's how it works.

00:51:54.400 Yes.

00:51:54.820 Right.

00:51:55.040 That's the only way it works.

00:51:56.380 So he's like, oh, well, you're advocating for violence against women.

00:52:00.040 Okay.

00:52:00.400 Well, you're clearly and openly advocating for violence against any Americans with property.

00:52:06.540 Like, but if you want to say that.

00:52:08.220 Or a certain amount of wealth.

00:52:09.060 Right.

00:52:09.600 Like if you're, if you're saying that, uh, advocating against, uh, like just, you know, open abortion and at all times is violence against women.

00:52:17.740 Well, by like inherently just for advocating it.

00:52:21.240 Okay.

00:52:21.400 Well, then you are constantly relentlessly advocating for violence by talking about wealth confiscation.

00:52:26.340 So you're just the same person.

00:52:28.240 Like this argument swings both ways.

00:52:29.920 If any advocacy for any policy on any level, because it involves the state, therefore creates an advocacy for violence.

00:52:39.820 Then everyone's an advocate for violence.

00:52:41.700 And then everyone is just open.

00:52:43.500 It's open season.

00:52:44.320 It's open season for vigilantes because literally every person with a political opinion is violent under Hassan's rubric.

00:52:51.060 Yeah.

00:52:54.400 So you're right.

00:52:55.260 This is the.

00:52:56.640 Sorry.

00:52:57.120 You were saying.

00:52:58.200 That's a hell of a society to live in.

00:52:59.760 It's just like anyone that doesn't.

00:53:02.520 Someone should really tell them if that's the position that you hold, then you should really not be surprised if you end up birthing a Franco or a Pinochet.

00:53:10.320 Yeah, well, that's the classic solution to this, right?

00:53:13.960 Like, how do you stop people who have this mindset, who are who are willing to do open violence, Spanish revolution, these kind of people who are bombing, murdering public officials, you know, saying that any advocates advocacy for another political opinion is violence.

00:53:28.800 I mean, the only option becomes a strongman if that's actually how you're doing, because now politics can't function because one side says, I want to advocate for policies.

00:53:38.140 And Hassan Piker says, I want to murder anyone who, you know, advocates for policies.

00:53:42.900 OK, well, then I guess we don't have a lot of options left politically at that point.

00:53:47.080 Right.

00:53:48.160 Yeah.

00:53:49.180 That is how you birth a strongman.

00:53:51.660 You're kind of heading in that direction at this point in time, how I think pretty much most of the West is at this point.

00:53:56.780 Yeah, I think, unfortunately, that's correct.

00:53:59.600 I mean, you have a scenario where all of these people are openly, you know, just saying, look, communist revolution, we can kill anyone we want because they disagree with us.

00:54:08.580 I mean, where do you go from there?

00:54:11.060 Like, how does democracy function in those situations?

00:54:14.480 I don't I don't think it can.

00:54:15.780 Adley, I would imagine.

00:54:16.900 Right.

00:54:17.340 Yeah.

00:54:17.540 Well, we don't have to imagine.

00:54:18.820 We know, right?

00:54:19.820 No, we could see it.

00:54:21.380 Yeah.

00:54:21.520 I mean, you're South African, right?

00:54:23.700 Indeed.

00:54:24.580 So, I mean, you're kind of familiar with Marxists, you know, and third worldists attempting to seize, you know, and appropriate all of your stuff and being willing to kill you if you if you disagree.

00:54:35.620 Right.

00:54:35.780 Like, this is not an alien concept for you.

00:54:38.480 No, it's it hits close to home, quite literally, in our case.

00:54:42.320 Then that that's a conversation that would get you some trouble if I gave you my honest opinion.

00:54:49.560 So maybe talk to me behind the scenes.

00:54:52.160 Very well.

00:54:53.380 Well, I, you know, I have Ernst on here, you know, every once in a while we talk about Conscious Care.

00:55:00.380 Yeah, he might tell you some shit.

00:55:02.040 Yeah, we I've had him on several times.

00:55:04.720 We've had quite a lot of conversation on it.

00:55:06.660 So my my listeners are a little more familiar with South Africa and its situation than perhaps most.

00:55:11.720 But.

00:55:12.840 Yeah.

00:55:13.400 You know, I understand.

00:55:15.740 I'm sorry.

00:55:16.300 Did you.

00:55:17.480 No, no, no.

00:55:17.880 We're good.

00:55:18.320 OK, I didn't want to play it.

00:55:19.460 I understand what I'm trying to understand your argument.

00:55:22.020 But your strategy, your argument is that effectively advocacy for policies that cause harm, economic harm or physical harm.

00:55:33.540 Physical harm.

00:55:34.060 Could it sell in this in this case?

00:55:35.600 Right.

00:55:35.760 But we were talking about economic harm earlier.

00:55:38.340 So both both.

00:55:38.960 Economic harm also leads to physical harm as well.

00:55:41.320 But that constitutes a form of could be argued to constitute a form of incitement.

00:55:48.860 Right.

00:55:49.460 Yes.

00:55:49.800 That's what you're saying.

00:55:51.080 Right.

00:55:51.800 Yeah.

00:55:52.100 And that's actually the argument with like policing.

00:55:55.580 Right.

00:55:55.760 But so the policing is a necessary institution.

00:55:57.740 But then why do you just point to it and demand more of it?

00:56:00.520 But that in that demand, they're technically demanding more of the the unreasonable outcomes and unjustifiable outcomes of policing that lead to, for example, the death of George Floyd.

00:56:12.280 Right.

00:56:13.060 Right.

00:56:13.300 Right.

00:56:13.420 Or numerous other cases.

00:56:14.600 But this analogy is itself part of why people think you are normalizing the things that are taboo, which would be which again would include right wing forms of violence.

00:56:28.080 But if you said so, again, he's just walking them up to and, you know, again, I love that Hassan does not understand.

00:56:36.380 He's too stupid to grasp the implications of his own worldview.

00:56:39.520 Right.

00:56:40.060 And so like doubt that has to walk him through.

00:56:42.680 OK, so I just want to make it clear to you that if you understand the world in this way, you are just saying that any advocacy for any political position that you don't hold is worthy of violence.

00:56:54.960 It is itself violence.

00:56:57.160 It's a call to violence.

00:56:58.440 So Charlie Kirk saying, I don't think that trans kids should exist.

00:57:03.240 I don't think that you should be allowing the mutilation of children.

00:57:06.720 That's violence and you can just kill him because he deserves it.

00:57:09.640 Right.

00:57:09.900 Like that.

00:57:10.340 That's that's what he is saying.

00:57:12.100 Those are the logical implications of his worldview.

00:57:15.660 And like doubt that is just walking him slowly through it.

00:57:18.720 And Hassan's just kind of nodding like, well, you know, yeah, I guess I don't really I only talk about this eight hours a day.

00:57:25.720 I've really thought about it very deeply.

00:57:26.860 But yeah, that's probably right.

00:57:28.440 No, his positions, I think, are more sort of reflexive utopianism, if that's a phrase I just made up, because that's basically all he's saying.

00:57:37.820 I just realized what he's doing in almost every single instance is he's he's literally just giving Hassan the rake into saying, here, step on it by advocating your position.

00:57:47.540 And he's just doing that repeatedly because the police one, he just said that if someone is calling for more police, you you get outcomes that you don't like politically.

00:57:58.440 Yeah. Well, Hassan, here's the thing.

00:58:01.560 Violence in a society is kind of necessary, especially when you have people smashing and burning shit.

00:58:06.660 You do realize the one thing that the state should do is basically stop that.

00:58:12.040 And so if you call for more of that, it might be because the police is necessary.

00:58:17.520 I don't know what outcome you don't like.

00:58:19.380 I think the people calling for more police, that is very much the outcome they seek.

00:58:22.440 That's why they call for more cops.

00:58:24.040 Well, I'd also like to know how many episodes Hassan did on dismantling the Capitol police force after January 6th.

00:58:32.220 Right. Was the anti-police violence there?

00:58:34.760 You know, the protesters sitting in prison for years.

00:58:39.500 How many times?

00:58:40.400 Yeah. Of course, again, it's it's just it's just friend enemy.

00:58:43.820 He doesn't care about the police.

00:58:45.440 He doesn't care about any of this stuff.

00:58:47.340 He doesn't care about pharmaceutical industries and renters and capitalism.

00:58:51.920 He wants his people to have stuff and be able to kill people.

00:58:55.180 He wants you to stop, you know, just have your stuff stolen, go to jail or die.

00:58:59.180 Like, that's it.

00:58:59.880 Like all the ideology is just window dressing.

00:59:05.480 All right.

00:59:06.020 I think the last one here they get into a little bit.

00:59:07.900 The context of this last clip is it's about the Israel, you know, Gaza conflict.

00:59:12.860 Obviously, we're not going to get into the details of that.

00:59:15.380 We have many opinions, but it reveals, you know, many of these third worldists.

00:59:21.920 You know, they hate Israel, but they don't hate it because of any.

00:59:26.040 You know, they just hate it because they see it as like colonialist or even white or Western in a sense.

00:59:31.820 And so he's going to be laying out, you know, kind of the justifications.

00:59:36.080 And this is where he gets into the why Islamic republics aren't all about gay rights here.

00:59:41.840 So I think this is the last clip here.

00:59:43.960 If your theory is all of these things are incitement, if you support putting more people in jail.

00:59:51.740 Oh, wait, sorry.

00:59:52.260 They're just talking about let me get to the last clip where they're talking about Israel there.

00:59:55.340 There we go.

00:59:55.820 If you support, you know, border security, that's incitement.

01:00:02.640 It's incitement all the way down.

01:00:04.980 Like you're basically saying the person who incites violence against a politician is in the same position as the person who supports border security.

01:00:13.760 And that seems like an argument that lends itself to encouraging people to commit political violence because you're saying, oh, it's all normal already.

01:00:22.680 What's a little more?

01:00:23.540 What's one more active incitement in a world of incitement?

01:00:26.640 You're just normalizing it when you make that argument.

01:00:30.100 Yeah.

01:00:30.820 My argument is that I'm not normalizing it.

01:00:33.620 It's already normal.

01:00:35.060 I don't want it to be normal.

01:00:36.800 I want it to be abnormal.

01:00:38.120 I want people to to actually take a serious look at the violent structures that already exist, that from the point of the recipient is already experienced as like a direct form of violence.

01:00:50.380 I'm pretty sure.

01:00:51.960 I'm pretty sure.

01:00:52.980 So sorry.

01:00:53.720 I left that in.

01:00:54.360 I forgot I left that in before we got to the Israel part because I just because again, Ross just kind of laid out, you know, laid the whole thing bare there as to where he was going in the implications, the ultimate implications there.

01:01:04.820 So I wanted to leave that in.

01:01:05.800 But now this is the Israel clip.

01:01:07.300 You're speaking as a Christian that there are some pretty exclusivist rules in more than a few Middle Eastern countries, right?

01:01:13.940 So absolutely.

01:01:14.980 And I see that as a as a as a byproduct of the rampant destabilization that has existed in this resource rich region.

01:01:23.140 And I my criticism against these countries not having the allowance or not having any moment of of respite to be able to evolve.

01:01:32.060 I see that as a byproduct of American imperialism and Western imperialism as well.

01:01:37.520 So you see, Spoon, the reason that the Middle East is not a civil rights, multicolored, you know, queer gendered, you know, paradise is because Israel and the United States force them to do this.

01:01:52.240 Like otherwise, if if they just been left to their own devices, if Turkey or or Saudi Arabia or Yemen had been left to their own devices, ultimately, these places would just be, you know, they would be hyper tolerant.

01:02:03.700 They would be embracing furries and and troons and and all this other stuff.

01:02:08.780 And it's really just it's really just the Western imperialism that has set them down this course.

01:02:13.200 Otherwise, they they're still to development would have come to fruition and they would have become the ultimate civil rights, socialist, gay race, communist paradise.

01:02:21.880 Well, what I don't understand from that perspective is that pretty much anyone that is under the Western imperial hood has all of that shit that he's advocating for.

01:02:31.900 What was I don't I don't even know how you get to that.

01:02:38.600 Everything that you advocate for is part of Western imperialism out of my language.

01:02:43.040 But what the fuck are you talking about?

01:02:45.240 Yeah, I don't know how he even gets to that.

01:02:47.280 It's beautiful, right? Because, yeah, everything he's advocate advocating for is a product of neoliberalism.

01:02:53.260 It is a product of like degenerate Western embrace of neoliberalism to the extent that there's a problem with the West.

01:03:01.800 It is the fact that like that is a fruit of some of the perverse progressive ideology that has taken over the West.

01:03:09.140 And what he's saying is, if only the West hadn't been there, then the gay race communism would be more like the West.

01:03:14.440 Yeah, right. Exactly.

01:03:15.440 Like we're talking about like, you know, the Biden administration was raising gay pride flags like in every embassy that the United States had.

01:03:25.900 They were raising it in the Holy See.

01:03:27.460 They're raising it in the Vatican.

01:03:29.180 Like it was literally a mark of Western imperialism to have a pride flag flying in your country.

01:03:34.860 But he's like, if only we had gotten rid of the Western imperialism, then we'd have all the stuff that Western imperialism produces.

01:03:41.520 Wouldn't that be amazing?

01:03:42.180 It's quite weird because he himself is a product of neoliberalism.

01:03:46.160 Oh, of course.

01:03:47.060 He's like the end point of it.

01:03:47.840 Yes.

01:03:48.760 But we don't want people to be like our model, even though that I literally want them to do everything that the current situation that I live in has produced, which makes no freaking sense.

01:03:59.100 It's like, what do you actually want these places to look like?

01:04:02.440 So you basically want Western imperialism's end point, but without the violence whilst also advocating for violence.

01:04:09.620 I just realized how utterly incoherent his ideology actually is, if I just say it out loud.

01:04:13.980 It's truly amazing.

01:04:16.000 Well, and, you know, these guys have this is what you have to do, right?

01:04:19.560 This is what this is the downside of winning as a revolutionary, right?

01:04:22.920 What do you do when the revolution has to become eternal?

01:04:25.440 So in Hassan Piker's mind, like it's the establishment that is kept from, you know, us from embracing queer liberation and all these things.

01:04:34.740 And the fact that like every corporation has been pushing it and selling it and advancing it and like every power center and educational system and Hollywood, the fact that like they all hold these beliefs and advance them.

01:04:48.940 Well, that's just the capitalist co-opting the socialist message.

01:04:52.320 They don't really believe it, even though it's literally the outcome of the very system he's decrying.

01:04:57.920 Like the woke capital is the end point.

01:05:01.600 And Hassan is, of course, the most beautiful, as you say, exemplar of this.

01:05:06.100 He is the same champagne socialist to his core.

01:05:08.640 I'm driving around a $200,000 car.

01:05:11.680 I'm advocating for gay rights and then saying if I could just get rid of capitalism, then all of a sudden gay rights would enter into all these traditional countries that otherwise would have advanced.

01:05:22.940 And this is the so here's the dumbest thing, because he's such an idiot.

01:05:25.860 Like he really has never even read a lick of actual Marxism.

01:05:29.200 It's very clear because the actual whole point of, you know, kind of the Marxist idea is that capitalism itself will dissolve traditional societies.

01:05:40.240 Right. Dissolve monarchies, dissolve all of these other structures, these these these these patriarchal Christian structures.

01:05:46.980 And that will allow for all of this feminism and homosexuality and all this other stuff.

01:05:53.000 And then once capitalism has done its job of breaking down these traditional societies, then the Marxist can come in and like scoop up all the wealth from the capitalists.

01:06:03.440 And now that we have this utopian post traditionalist society, they can redistribute.

01:06:08.040 They kill the last capitalist.

01:06:09.360 You take all this stuff, distribute it to all the people.

01:06:11.640 Boom, we're done.

01:06:12.400 Everybody gets gay race communism.

01:06:13.820 But he's skipping all the steps and he doesn't understand like Marx's and, you know, the post Marxist theories.

01:06:20.920 He doesn't even know that, like, they actually support this process.

01:06:25.660 Like if you read Deleuze and Guattari, they're talking about how this is a good thing and how you need capitalism to actually do this work.

01:06:32.340 But he doesn't understand this.

01:06:33.460 So he says, we know the existence of Western capitalism is what's keeping this process from happening.

01:06:38.680 When Marx himself and post Marxists themselves said, actually, no, it is the capitalism that makes this happen.

01:06:44.900 He just doesn't understand the ramifications of his own ideology.

01:06:48.100 It's wrong, but he doesn't even get how it's wrong.

01:06:51.020 He doesn't understand the basics of how it works.

01:06:54.500 I don't actually think he's ever read anything.

01:06:57.680 I doubt it.

01:06:58.460 Yeah.

01:06:58.880 Yeah, I strongly suspect he would be able to name.

01:07:01.400 I don't even think he's read any Marx.

01:07:04.100 He's probably read some.

01:07:05.360 He's read the Communist Manifesto, right?

01:07:07.340 I doubt he made it through Das Kapital, but, you know, I think he probably like Chachi Peter.

01:07:11.800 Right, right, right, right, right.

01:07:13.240 Probably.

01:07:13.560 And again, I'm sure he's listened to like podcasts and he's just regurgitating.

01:07:18.340 That's why we're getting the word salads over and over again.

01:07:21.460 Because it makes it a lot more difficult for people to have any sort of civil rights struggle

01:07:27.520 when they're so predisposed with being bombed or being destabilized in one way, shape or form.

01:07:33.180 Either in the hands of Israel as a destabilizing factor in the region or directly through American intervention,

01:07:40.000 British intervention and the like for coups and whatnot to take place in these countries.

01:07:44.160 It makes it quite difficult for.

01:07:47.020 I like how he looks at basically like homosexuality like a tech tree.

01:07:51.640 Yeah, that's right, that's right.

01:07:54.480 If you hadn't, look, if I hadn't had to defend the Zerg rush, I would have gotten to gay rights.

01:07:58.880 Okay.

01:07:59.160 Yes, I have more pressing issues, but if I can get some water and food and some defense,

01:08:03.660 I can definitely, you know, smuggle in some homosexuality in the education process.

01:08:08.100 I need some, I need more Vespin gas.

01:08:09.900 And then I would have been able to produce homosexual rights.

01:08:14.420 Like that's the, the, the, the, the, the, so is the, is the, is the like murderous trans person,

01:08:20.800 like the last troop you get to produce in the tech tree?

01:08:23.640 Is that like the ultimate assassin that rolls off the line after production?

01:08:28.380 That's, that's, that's like your top trumps.

01:08:30.080 If you're like an age of empires too, and the castle, that's your specialist troop in your civilization.

01:08:34.680 Right, right.

01:08:35.280 Somewhere in my red alert, you know, tree after the Tesla coil and like the, the time traveling

01:08:40.520 tank, the train one, the true assassin, like that's the, that's the top, the most deadly

01:08:47.720 thing I can deploy on my enemies for the, the regime change to take place in a revolutionary

01:08:54.580 manner.

01:08:55.160 And the Iranian revolution also is a, is a great example of this as well.

01:08:58.200 When you put a puppet state in charge, that is Western aligned, a lot of people, and that

01:09:03.220 puppet state must enforce its dominance over and over again through brutal practices of

01:09:07.240 torture and, and mass incarceration, people are inevitably going to revolt against that.

01:09:11.980 And what I have seen in my experience as someone growing up in Turkey, more often than not, the

01:09:18.380 people that actually find themselves the most earnest anti-Western figures, the people that,

01:09:24.700 that, uh, that these, uh, resentful populations can unite behind oftentimes actually wear fundamentalism

01:09:31.780 as, as, as a, as a way to show how anti-Western they are.

01:09:38.280 So I left this in as the last comment, because what he's saying here is actually correct and

01:09:43.200 insightful, but he doesn't understand what it means for his own argument.

01:09:46.220 So he's saying ultimately the best way to oppose Western, you know, capitalist, uh, uh, colonialism

01:09:54.100 is to become a radical fundamentalist because that separates you from the wider Western imperialism.

01:10:01.160 You're not part of the global American empire.

01:10:03.360 You're pushing back against the GAE and all of that's correct.

01:10:07.180 That, that is actually true.

01:10:08.420 Actually, you, you will see the people who are trying to oppose Western civilization, uh,

01:10:13.660 attach themselves to the traditions of their own people to avoid this and, and, and try to

01:10:17.760 push back.

01:10:18.600 All of that's true.

01:10:19.620 However, what that means as, as an advocate for these very positions, he is an advocate for

01:10:25.220 the global American empire.

01:10:26.400 He is an advocate for the gay.

01:10:28.580 He's on the side of the neoliberal globalists and he doesn't understand it because like he's

01:10:33.860 making an argument against his own ideology and why it's dangerous.

01:10:37.960 I just find it very strange because Tel Aviv is literally advertised as the gayest place on

01:10:44.700 earth.

01:10:45.380 And he does not shut the hell up about queer liberation constantly.

01:10:49.060 Like it's the thing that he has got like a fixation is like, so you don't want the Israelis

01:10:52.540 to occupy the Palestinians, but you think without the Western imperialism, somehow these people

01:10:58.140 will evolve the exact same sexual rights that Western imperialism has given them, but you

01:11:02.580 don't want Tel Aviv to take over the, why do you think they would, some, why do you think

01:11:07.960 they oppose Tel Aviv and Western imperialism, but they also want to become the exact same

01:11:13.500 social dynamics as Western imperialism?

01:11:15.800 What's the difference?

01:11:17.240 Right.

01:11:17.420 Like I oppose Jewish occupation, but I would like to support everything that Jewish occupation actually

01:11:22.140 brings like that's, yes, it's basically his entire worldview.

01:11:25.700 Yes.

01:11:25.900 It's right.

01:11:26.620 God damn.

01:11:27.500 He's very, he's very against Israel, but agrees a hundred percent with Israel's social

01:11:31.620 stances.

01:11:32.820 Yes.

01:11:33.340 It's yeah.

01:11:35.920 A beautiful thing.

01:11:36.860 All right.

01:11:37.020 Well, that, that's the end of the clip.

01:11:38.260 Like I said, guys, this is the longer, you know, it's a, it's an hour.

01:11:41.000 If you want to, if you want to torture yourself through this, honestly, there's not a whole

01:11:44.840 lot more here.

01:11:45.740 It really is a bunch of him like mincing words and, you know, getting lost in his own arguments

01:11:49.900 and basically what you saw here, but you know, it's there.

01:11:52.640 If you want the whole context, I'm never going to tell you not to go or the whole context.

01:11:56.700 So that's there for you.

01:11:57.900 But we do have a number of super chats stacking up before we go to them.

01:12:03.280 Spoon, can you tell people where to find your excellent channel and content?

01:12:06.300 Um, yes, it's called the, the aristocratic utensil.

01:12:10.000 Um, I'm probably going to do this as I'm, I have to word this very carefully, but I might

01:12:14.580 just do an episode on the whole Charlie Kirk fiasco.

01:12:17.260 Cause I feel like enough time has basically passed where I can say some things that might

01:12:22.760 piss some people off, but I feel it's more just the reality of state and power and how

01:12:27.160 they, how can I say this, um, capitalize on certain situations because the state always

01:12:33.900 does, and the whole situation is, yeah, kind of dicey, but yeah, that's where you can find

01:12:38.920 me.

01:12:39.140 And, um, Aris, Aris, um, honest underscore utensil on, on Twitter, where I say a lot more, let's

01:12:47.820 just say forceful things than I do on here.

01:12:51.280 If you want to get spoon unfiltered, you can head over to Twitter and yeah, it's also

01:12:54.940 good.

01:12:55.140 Yeah, there we go.

01:12:56.000 Check that out.

01:12:57.280 All right.

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01:13:46.940 All right.

01:13:47.540 So let's go to the questions of the people here, uh, creeper weird.

01:13:53.520 Oh, I guess I need to take this down.

01:13:54.920 So it's not covering it, uh, creeper weird says he's a himbo enough said.

01:14:00.220 Yeah, true.

01:14:00.980 Uh, stumpy says you can have half a revolution.

01:14:04.980 It's a, it's a one 80.

01:14:07.760 Um, I, uh, the, the whole half a revolution joke is if you don't complete it, you'll die.

01:14:12.300 I'm not sure what you're trying to reference there.

01:14:14.200 I guess it's a, what it's a 180 degrees.

01:14:17.020 Uh, but anyway,

01:14:19.320 creeper weirdo says, uh, is this even midwittery?

01:14:21.760 It's so dumb.

01:14:22.720 I'm not sure.

01:14:23.300 No, to be clear, a midwitt is someone who is, uh, yeah, midwittery would require you

01:14:28.480 to be at like 110 IQ.

01:14:29.920 Right.

01:14:30.580 And think you're the smartest person in the room.

01:14:32.340 Hassan is, is not, he's not even batting above the average.

01:14:35.400 Right.

01:14:35.660 Like not, not at all.

01:14:36.800 I don't think he's crippled digit IQ.

01:14:39.620 Uh, no, that, yeah, the average is a hundred.

01:14:41.600 So yeah, no, I would, I would agree a hundred percent.

01:14:43.760 Like, I don't think that's, that's, I, I, it does not qualify as midwittery.

01:14:47.720 He cannot be a midwit.

01:14:48.700 He did.

01:14:48.940 He's, he's not ascended to that level.

01:14:51.440 Yeah.

01:14:53.040 The odd says, I know it's overdone and over said, but it's always champagne socialism.

01:14:57.680 Yes, of course.

01:14:58.340 I mean, in some ways this is cliche, but it's cliche for a reason, right?

01:15:02.100 Like he he's spouting all of the, the ideology because it's popular in his social circles,

01:15:07.060 but he has no grasp of it at all.

01:15:08.520 Unicorn friend says they're Maoist first, the violent revolution.

01:15:14.440 Then we figure out how the socialism works.

01:15:16.700 Yep.

01:15:17.060 A hundred percent true.

01:15:17.960 Yeah.

01:15:20.600 Wild speaker says the country we want does not include a son Ilhan Omar Crockett life in

01:15:26.740 this country should not be tolerable for them.

01:15:29.060 I, again, I agree a hundred percent.

01:15:30.900 I mean, with, with, with Omar and Hassan Piker, they can just go home like they're foreigners

01:15:35.980 completely their paperwork, Americans at best Crockett's a little more complicated.

01:15:39.740 Um, but, but those two absolutely can, can just be sent back.

01:15:43.900 Uh, there there's, there's no reason for them to be here.

01:15:49.100 Cherry Coke Nixon says, it feels like we are just one presidential election away from another

01:15:53.620 anti-white unconstitutional regime, a la Obama and Biden.

01:15:57.080 When do we win for real?

01:15:58.340 Well, I mean, the answer is yes, we are.

01:16:00.360 I mean, if the left returns to power, uh, I promise you, they're going to fling the

01:16:03.160 border open and they're going to start flying the entire island of Haiti into the middle

01:16:06.980 of the United States.

01:16:07.760 Like they were doing before, like it will be no different and you'll just have less time

01:16:11.740 to do it.

01:16:11.980 The left cannot return to power.

01:16:13.160 That's it.

01:16:17.940 The odd says third worldism is the future of the left.

01:16:20.800 Yeah.

01:16:20.920 I mean, you know, if it wasn't already the past of the left, it certainly is the future

01:16:24.600 of the left because the entire project is importing as much of the third world here to

01:16:28.100 take as much of your stuff as possible.

01:16:29.620 That's, that's literally their strategy.

01:16:31.180 Like they'll just move enough third world is here and promise them your stuff and then

01:16:34.660 get voted into power forever.

01:16:36.020 That that's it.

01:16:36.600 That's the whole strategy.

01:16:37.660 Colonialism in reverse.

01:16:39.080 Yeah, that's exactly right.

01:16:40.420 Do it.

01:16:41.340 Invite the world, invade the world.

01:16:42.760 That's basically the neoliberal plan.

01:16:46.840 Cherry Coke Nixon again says, I like to imagine that the founding fathers would think of the

01:16:50.740 tolerance of Hassan Piker, Ilhan Omar, Tlaib, as well as nonstop public degeneracy.

01:16:55.340 I mean, they would, yeah, they would just be wondering why we didn't like fire on these

01:16:58.980 people, people's boats as they were approaching the United States.

01:17:01.680 I think that would be, I don't think you have to speculate very much at all about what the

01:17:05.800 founding fathers would feel about this.

01:17:07.260 They would be absolutely horrified.

01:17:11.920 Well, speaker says, if we're serious about free speech, Hassan would not have it.

01:17:15.900 Well, again, this is the point, right?

01:17:17.780 You can not have free speech when guys like Hassan are constantly calling to

01:17:20.600 murder anyone who's speaking, right?

01:17:22.020 And Hassan tells you in this video repeatedly, your speech is violence and I can respond

01:17:26.080 with violence.

01:17:26.980 The existence of your political belief is the problem.

01:17:29.660 And as long as it exists, I should be able to do violence on you.

01:17:32.900 So there is no free speech as long as guys like Hassan are doing what they're doing because

01:17:36.620 he's just openly calling for violence against anyone who disagrees with him.

01:17:39.860 That's his ideology.

01:17:41.380 That's what Russ Douthat is walking him through over and over again.

01:17:44.180 Like, that's what you're saying at the end of the day.

01:17:45.980 If you believe this, you're just openly calling for violence.

01:17:48.960 There's not even really a veiled threat there.

01:17:51.220 It's quite funny because he's basically going, I'm trying to incriminate you.

01:17:53.640 Will you please give me evidence?

01:17:54.880 And then he does.

01:17:58.020 Yeah.

01:17:59.260 The most, again, the most beautiful thing is how many times Douthat tried to give him

01:18:03.040 a more moderate version of his own ideology.

01:18:05.660 And he was just like, nope, I'm with Fidel Castro.

01:18:08.800 Like, it's just amazing to me that he actually gave the Castro example.

01:18:12.740 And then, you know, he even took some of his own family.

01:18:15.180 I'm not trying to, I wonder if he was trying to say that he will even go so far as take

01:18:20.020 from his own family because that's how committed to the ideal he is.

01:18:22.660 Not knowing that everyone else might find that kind of fucking horrifying.

01:18:26.080 Right.

01:18:26.760 Right.

01:18:27.040 And like, like it wouldn't just be performative cover anyway.

01:18:30.840 Right.

01:18:31.740 Like, like, do you think Castro was hurting for wealth or land or something afterwards?

01:18:35.920 No.

01:18:36.160 He was really austere after the whole thing.

01:18:38.400 Like, no, he's living like a king, like all these communist dictators do.

01:18:42.660 So did he give up anything?

01:18:43.640 No.

01:18:43.880 But you're right.

01:18:44.360 Even if he had actually done everything he'd said, people like us would be like, oh, well,

01:18:48.640 that makes him a more horrific person, not ideologically consistent.

01:18:53.240 No.

01:18:55.500 Life of Brian says, this is a sharp, as sharp a takedown as I have seen.

01:18:59.540 Wish Hassan would talk to Orr.

01:19:00.980 Well, thank you very much.

01:19:02.140 I would, of course, be more than happy to embarrass Hassan Piker.

01:19:05.220 I doubt I'll ever get that, that invitation.

01:19:07.500 But, you know, he's got an open, open invitation.

01:19:09.880 I'd be more than happy to run him through his paces.

01:19:12.040 I might even be able to help him understand Marxism a little bit since he seems very bad

01:19:15.900 at it.

01:19:20.260 Super Joe's Midlife Crisis says the most accurate analogy to how progressives see history is

01:19:25.520 the Civ Phi tech tree, except with Wig history is the final tech tree in their mind.

01:19:29.540 Yep.

01:19:29.740 I think that was a good analogy by, by Spoon there.

01:19:33.500 I think that's exactly right.

01:19:34.360 Thank you.

01:19:34.640 I do like the idea of, like, the Troon Terminator at the end.

01:19:39.140 Like, that's the ultimate troop of deployed.

01:19:40.960 I need someone to mod that into any given RTS.

01:19:44.980 Wild Speaker says, favorite food that you eat with a spoon?

01:19:48.240 I'll let you go first, Spoon.

01:19:50.580 Oh, God.

01:19:51.160 Probably fruit salad?

01:19:53.400 Probably the only thing I actually eat with a spoon lately, to be honest.

01:19:56.240 Yeah, I don't eat a lot of things with a spoon.

01:19:58.240 I mean, soup, obviously, is kind of like the thing that's necessary for, so I guess soup?

01:20:02.500 Yeah, there we go.

01:20:05.880 All right, guys.

01:20:06.560 We're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 03, 2025

Hasan Piker Is a Dangerous Idiot ｜ Guest： The Aristocratic Utensil ｜ 10⧸3⧸25

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