The Auron MacIntyre Show - How Equality Ends Civilizations ｜ 6⧸5⧸24

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00:00:30.740 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:35.180 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:38.140 So it's been a little while, but I want to dive back into the work of the philosopher Nick Land,

00:00:44.960 specifically part of his essay, The Dark Enlightenment,

00:00:48.460 which is of course a core piece of text when it comes to NRX political theory.

00:00:54.300 Today we're going to be talking about the issue of equality.

00:00:57.880 We hear a lot about arguments between equity and equality, what all these things mean,

00:01:04.140 and that these are the core disagreements between kind of the two factions in the American political system.

00:01:10.160 But Nick Land delves a lot deeper into the problems of pretending that all people are indeed equal in the way that the attempt to enforce that reality into any political system can have a devastating impact when it comes to outcomes and possibly collapse the very structures of your society.

00:01:31.500 So we're going to be reading a passage from The Dark Enlightenment today.

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00:02:57.940 All right, guys.

00:02:58.560 So let's go ahead and look into this passage from the Dark Enlightenment.

00:03:02.960 This is a much longer essay.

00:03:04.640 In fact, actually, it's finally out as a book.

00:03:06.860 I believe Imperium Press was the press that put it out.

00:03:10.020 So if you'd like to get a physical copy of the Dark Enlightenment, you can do that.

00:03:14.020 And I certainly suggest that you do.

00:03:15.560 It's a fascinating trip.

00:03:17.620 When you do remember that, ultimately, this entire essay or this kind of long form, almost book, short book or long essay, depending on how you want to look at it, is in response to the writings of Curtis Yarvin.

00:03:32.020 So having a basic understanding of Curtis Yarvin's work, Mitchus Mulbug's work, the work from Unqualified Reservations, you need to know terms like the cathedral and other kind of key aspects so that you're not lost with some of that.

00:03:47.740 It really helps to have that before you dive in.

00:03:49.840 But today we're going to read a passage that I think stands on its own.

00:03:52.780 You don't really need to necessarily have that background to understand what land is talking about here.

00:03:58.240 So we'll go ahead and begin reading.

00:04:01.500 Now, to put this in context, he is writing about a lot of things that happened around kind of the Trayvon Martin shooting.

00:04:12.200 If you remember, they had the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.

00:04:17.220 And, you know, the story from the beginning is that this evil white racist just kind of shot this innocent black child who was wandering through the neighborhood with some tea and some Skittles, you know, just for no reason at all. 0.92

00:04:31.960 And ultimately, this showed how dangerous it was to be a black child in the United States.

00:04:38.160 And before we had George Floyd or any of these other things, it turns out that this phenomenon of kind of race riots and race baiting in response to overblown media hysteria of an event that's intentionally distorted to kind of rile up racial hatred is nothing new.

00:04:59.580 It's actually a pretty common feature of the American political cycle.

00:05:03.720 You can go all the way back to Rodney King and the right riots involved in L.A.

00:05:09.140 You can go, obviously, to Trayvon Martin.

00:05:12.400 You can go all the way up to George Floyd and BLM and all of the other different different press manufactured events that have occurred here.

00:05:23.140 But but Nick Land is writing this before the events of BLM.

00:05:26.580 Obviously, the things that have happened since have only magnified the truth of kind of what he says here.

00:05:32.060 But that's the context to what he's replying to here.

00:05:35.760 And he starts by laying out an article that the website Jezebel had put out about kind of how dangerous it is to go ahead and be a black man in the United States and how everyone is racist and everything is racist.

00:05:53.480 And you have to point it all out to quote a famous video game critiquer.

00:05:57.800 And so they thought it was very important, of course, you know, spell this out.

00:06:03.560 And he uses this as kind of the launching point for explaining the what the progressive religion does for the revolution, the role that it plays in the revolution.

00:06:14.940 Again, you might feel like you've heard this before, but it's you know, this this critique was rather fresh back when it was originally written.

00:06:23.140 And I think it's worth diving into because it's still a lot of stuff that people get uncomfortable with.

00:06:28.440 They don't want to notice.

00:06:29.680 They don't want to pay attention to.

00:06:30.840 They want to pretend is in a reality.

00:06:32.360 And I think it's important to go ahead and take a look at this, because, like I said, he lays out a lot of the ways that the progressive religion is specifically around race is used to create an eternal revolution.

00:06:47.420 The Gramscian revolution was not one of economics, but one of race and sex.

00:06:55.520 It was a cultural revolution, not an economic one.

00:06:58.860 So let's go ahead and dive into the essay here again from The Dark Enlightenment.

00:07:04.840 This is Nick Land.

00:07:05.720 He says, the pop piece of police were ready to move on with the great show trial collapsing into a narrative disorder.

00:07:11.080 It was time to refocus the message. 0.98

00:07:13.720 Facts be damned and double damned. 0.97

00:07:15.500 Jezebel best exemplifies the hectoring, vaguely hysterical tone. 0.99

00:07:18.980 So originally the story, like I said, had been that Trayvon Martin was this innocent child and George Zimmerman was this horrible white Klansman who had murdered

00:07:28.780 him in cold blood and it slowly started to come out that actually George Zimmerman was Hispanic.

00:07:34.440 Not only was he Hispanic, his father was of some kind of Afro descent.

00:07:38.900 And so actually he was part black as well.

00:07:42.520 So this this idea of and so we got this idea of a white Hispanic was the was the moniker that they were using.

00:07:49.600 And that wasn't even true.

00:07:51.200 So that far fell, that part fell apart.

00:07:53.180 And then we found out that Trayvon Martin actually had had beaten George Zimmerman quite badly.

00:07:58.300 This fact had been obscured by the media from the beginning.

00:08:01.660 The fact that he had had his the back of his head slammed into the street multiple times.

00:08:07.220 You know, all of this had had really clouded this angelic visage of Trayvon Martin that had been originally portrayed.

00:08:14.340 You know, when Barack Obama said they could have been my son, you know, all of a sudden that started to kind of come apart.

00:08:21.140 And but but the media was not going to stop.

00:08:23.680 Right. They're going to double down in the same way that they weren't going to stop when it came out that, you know,

00:08:28.200 George Floyd had died from a fentanyl overdose and not from, you know, the actions of the police officers.

00:08:34.980 That just doesn't matter.

00:08:36.120 It doesn't matter.

00:08:36.740 The revolution's already underway.

00:08:39.300 So we bury the we bury the story.

00:08:41.240 We bury the facts.

00:08:42.200 We need to go ahead and make sure that the narrative maintains its its continued momentum.

00:08:49.540 So here's what Jezebel wrote.

00:08:51.620 They said, you know how you can tell that black people are still oppressed because black people are still oppressed.

00:08:58.080 That's what we call a tautology. 0.98

00:09:00.400 If you claim that you're not a racist person or at least that you're committed to working your ass off again.

00:09:07.060 Sorry for the language here.

00:09:07.880 This is not mine, not to be one, which is really the best that any of us can promise.

00:09:14.620 So, again, you can't actually not be racist. 0.96

00:09:17.560 If you're a white person, you're going to be racist. 0.94

00:09:19.720 So the best you can actually do is just that work your ass off to to be an ally. 0.97

00:09:25.880 Right. But there's no it's original sin.

00:09:27.580 You're marred with it.

00:09:28.720 There is no forgiveness here in the in the progressive religion.

00:09:32.320 Then you must believe that people are fundamentally born equal.

00:09:35.820 So if that's true, then in a vacuum, factors like skin color should not have any effect on anyone's success.

00:09:43.240 Right. So here is the progressive.

00:09:46.020 Here is the progressive religion.

00:09:47.500 Right. Is that everyone is equal.

00:09:49.960 They're all born equal.

00:09:51.260 And so any disparities between any group has to be racist because everyone's equal.

00:09:59.600 Everyone's born equal.

00:10:00.420 We all know that because we're not racist.

00:10:02.280 We're super not racist.

00:10:03.900 We all know everyone is born equal.

00:10:05.260 And so, therefore, every disparity has to be a social construct.

00:10:11.640 Right. And therefore, if you really believe that all people are created equal, well, then when you see and that's hilarious because most of these people hate God.

00:10:20.320 But anyway, when you they hate Christianity, for sure.

00:10:22.960 But when you see the drastic racial inequalities exist in the world, the only thing you could possibly conclude is this is that some external force is holding certain people back like racism.

00:10:35.600 Right. And there it is.

00:10:37.420 That's the progressive religion.

00:10:38.960 So congratulations.

00:10:40.220 You believe in racism unless you don't actually think people are born equal. 0.97

00:10:44.140 And if you don't believe that people are born equal, then you're an effing racist.

00:10:48.660 So, again, the the the logical, I guess, syllogism here is that you have to believe all people are created equal.

00:11:00.020 But all people are not performing equally.

00:11:03.780 Their outcomes are not equal.

00:11:05.300 Therefore, racism.

00:11:06.880 That that's all the only logical, logically consistent outcome you could have here.

00:11:12.680 And of course, to be fair, a lot of conservatives have a problem arguing against this because they believe this, the first part.

00:11:21.600 Right. And so they don't have an actual explanation for any other part of it.

00:11:27.560 And so they are often befuddled by this this argument because they don't really have an argument against this.

00:11:34.040 Nick Land says.

00:11:35.620 So we're done with his Jezebel quote.

00:11:38.460 Now we're going to Nick Land here.

00:11:39.700 He says, does anyone really believe that people are born equal in the way that is understood here?

00:11:46.500 Believe that believe that is not only that a formal expectation of equal treatment is a prerequisite for civilized interaction,

00:11:54.140 but that any revealed deviation from substantially from substantial equality or outcome is an obvious, unambiguous indication of oppression.

00:12:05.300 That's the only thing you could possibly conclude.

00:12:09.700 So he's saying here that does anyone really believe that everyone is just born exactly the same?

00:12:17.800 Now, we're not precluding here and he doesn't preclude here that all men are equal in the sight of God, that they have equal worth or equal value or that God that we are all equally sinful in the eyes of God.

00:12:30.720 So, you know, we're not talking about spiritual value here.

00:12:34.580 And he also says, look, there is a certain level of of treating each other as equal.

00:12:40.320 That's just a prerequisite for civilized interaction.

00:12:43.760 If you have a polity like we have in the United States, you've got to treat people with kindness and respect if you're going to get along.

00:12:52.620 That's just the reality on the ground.

00:12:54.800 You don't have another option.

00:12:55.900 So we're not precluding the idea that men are equal or are spiritually equal before God or that they are that they need to be treated equally in social situations because that's the only way you can really have a civilized society that's going to function.

00:13:14.400 But does anyone really believe that there's just no differences between people because, you know, as as Jezebel says, you better you better believe that or else.

00:13:25.400 Right. Back to back to Nick land here at the very at the very least, Jezebel should be congratulated for expressing the progressive faith in its purest form.

00:13:36.820 Entirely uncontaminated by sensitivity to evidence or certainty of any kind or uncertainty of any kind, casually contemptuous of any relevant research, whether existent or merely conceivable and supremely confident about its own moral invincibility.

00:13:56.940 If the facts are morally wrong, so much worse for the facts.

00:14:01.620 That's the only position that could possibly be adopted, even if it's based upon a mixture of wishful thinking, deliberate ignorance and insulting childish lies.

00:14:13.000 So he's saying from the very he says from the very beginning here, obviously, the faith, this is the faith like this is this is the spiritual core of the faith.

00:14:24.820 And it is so thoroughly believed that no evidence can even enter into this.

00:14:30.560 If you have any evidence to the contrary, if you notice that perhaps even for a moment, the emperor might not be clothed in the finest of regalia, but actually is naked.

00:14:42.180 You're the problem. Actually, you're probably evil and you need to be removed from society or reprogrammed immediately. 0.99

00:14:49.620 Let's get you to those camps, get you reeducated. Right. 0.99

00:14:52.480 And no facts are allowed to enter into this discussion where we're just we're announcing this truth.

00:15:00.480 It's a metaphysical truth. You know, we believe it wholly.

00:15:04.280 And this is an axiom that cannot be challenged.

00:15:08.440 Don't you bring any science in here? If you bring any science in here, we're not even going to conceive of the idea that the science could be available.

00:15:16.580 Right. And this is the refrain you get from a lot of people.

00:15:20.280 Well, you know, we we can't have any evidence. We don't want to know if people are unequal, even even if we have the ability to collect the data, even if we have the ability to research this.

00:15:28.380 We shouldn't even be doing that because we we cannot we might need to know the science about everything else.

00:15:33.200 Science. We may need to trust the science everywhere else.

00:15:35.760 But this is the one time we don't we just we don't want to know if we do know it's wrong.

00:15:41.300 It's all a lie. You know, people are equal.

00:15:44.300 The end. To call the belief in a substantial human equality, a superstition is to insult superstition.

00:15:52.680 It might it might be unwarranted to believe in leprechauns, but at least the person who holds such a holds to such a belief isn't watching them not exist for every waking hour of the day.

00:16:05.860 Human inequality, in contrast, and in all of its abundant multiplicity, is consistently on display as people exhibit their variations in gender, ethnicity, physical attractiveness, size and shape, strength, health, agility, charm, humor, wit, industriousness and sociability among countless other features, traits, abilities and aspects of their personality.

00:16:31.760 Some immediately and conspicuously, some slowly, some slowly and over time.

00:16:37.780 So Land is just saying, look, this is super obvious and you have to have spent your entire life being thoroughly indoctrinated and threatened with the most severe punishments in the world to not notice that people are different.

00:16:53.960 People are born with different abilities. People are born with different, you know, advantages and disadvantages, and those things have a severe impact on their lives.

00:17:06.440 They have some of them are obvious. Some of them are not so obvious, but they are always there.

00:17:13.340 And to deny this, he says, you know, it makes more sense to believe in a leprechaun because at least you don't spend every day in and out looking around and seeing leprechauns not existing.

00:17:25.180 But you do see that with humans that there is always a difference every day.

00:17:30.440 Like when kids go to school before they know they're supposed to pretend that people are all equal, they recognize that some kids are fast and some kids are slow and some kids are smart and some kids are stupid and some kids are beautiful and some kids are ugly and some kids have a high moral character. 0.97

00:17:48.380 And some kids are horribly antisocial and destructive. They know all of these things. They can recognize all of these things. 0.98

00:17:57.800 No one has to explain to them that these things are true. And they often sort themselves according to these things and make judgments based on these things.

00:18:05.820 And it takes a whole lot of progressive brainwashing to get rid of this idea that people are indeed different and pretending like they aren't is something that is just an incredible amount of, you know, he says it's an insult to superstitions.

00:18:24.700 That's how insane it is to absorb even the slightest fraction of all of this and to conclude is in the only way possible that is either nothing at all or a social construct and index of oppression is sheer Gnostic delirium, a commitment beyond all evidence to the existence of a true and good world veiled by appearance.

00:18:52.300 So he's saying, look, if you, if you, if you see all of this, if you observe this day in, day out, if you live in the real world and you see this truth and you can just go ahead and just, just stack all of this under the heading of social constructs, it's all, it's all made up.

00:19:11.180 It's all, you know, it's, or it's all imposed from the top down when this is literally the most natural phenomenon you can observe.

00:19:18.740 Like right next to people have to eat or they die is people are different, right? 0.71

00:19:25.560 Like this is one of the most basic things that you can observe about the human condition.

00:19:30.800 And yet somehow people are, are entering into the sheer Gnostic delirium of, of committing themselves to this belief beyond all evidence and, and saying that the whole thing is a lie.

00:19:45.600 Everything is like all data, just every, I don't even need data.

00:19:48.940 I don't need to make this some kind of extreme rationalistic thing though.

00:19:52.540 I could absolutely do that.

00:19:53.880 Just the most simple observations throughout all of, all of history could, could see exactly what we're talking about here.

00:20:01.120 Back to land.

00:20:02.480 People are not equal. 1.00

00:20:04.180 They do not develop equally.

00:20:05.940 Their goals and achievements are not equal and nothing can make them equal.

00:20:10.900 Substantial equality has no really, no relation to reality except as it's systematic negation.

00:20:20.100 So he says, look, this is the only way, the only relationship this has to reality, this belief that all people are born entirely equal with all the same abilities and all the same traits.

00:20:33.380 The, the only relationship this has into reality is that it negates reality is that it's the exact opposite of observable reality.

00:20:41.960 That's how insane it is to invest in this myth, myth, uh, violence on a genocidal scale is required to even approximate, uh, to a practical, uh, egalitarian program.

00:20:57.180 And if anything less ambitious is attempted, people get around it some more completely than others.

00:21:04.140 So he says, look, if you want to, this is so obviously true and the fact that natural differences exist is so, is so obviously correct.

00:21:15.180 And so baked in to reality that the only thing, the only way that you could possibly change that reality is basically to go ahead and, uh, initiate a program of what would basically be like violence on a genocidal scale.

00:21:34.320 To, to, to, to hold back or reshape the world and try to make it, you know, the way that you envision it, this, this level of equality, um, this vision of equal outcomes, that that's what it would take.

00:21:48.820 And if you don't do that, if you don't, if you don't impose that reality with an incredible amount of total, uh, totalitarian power and violent force, then people will get around it.

00:21:59.920 They have to, right. And this is, this is communism, right? A lot of people are going to recognize what we're talking about here. It's communism. That's, that's, what's necessary.

00:22:11.540 Communism is delirious, right? It is insane. You cannot make people equal. You cannot force equality onto the world. It is a violation of the human condition. 0.98

00:22:24.500 And the only way you could even imagine implementing a, a, a project of this scale is complete totalitarian control and incredible violence, which is what socialism does, what communism did, right?

00:22:40.000 Communist countries had to slaughter tens of millions of people. It had to control every aspect of society, every aspect of the economy, every aspect of social interaction in order to create the world that they shot that should exist. And they still fail.

00:22:58.240 Even with all of that power and all of that violence and all of that control and all of that propaganda, they still fail because that it's so against nature.

00:23:08.640 And what Land is saying is that the economic project that communism attempted in countries like Russia or China.

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00:23:50.400 Failed there.

00:23:51.920 And so instead, in the United States and other Western nations, the revolution came in the form of race and sex and all these other cultural, culture war issues, right?

00:24:05.980 And the same project has been attempted in those countries.

00:24:09.580 The same level of denial of reality has existed in those countries.

00:24:15.200 You know, we recognize that the Gramscian Revolution, you know, you'll hear, you know, Chris Ruffo, you know, he wrote a great book about this, about how the Cultural Revolution was perpetrated, how the Long March of the Institutions took place, how the ideology was enforced, right?

00:24:31.560 But the reason a lot of this was able to be enforced is in many ways, the reason that the leftist revolution took hold in, not in the economic sense in the West, but in this culture war sense, in this axis of race and sex and gender and all these things.

00:24:50.120 The reason it took hold is that in the West, we had kind of made this promise, right?

00:24:56.620 We had said, look, all people are going to be equal.

00:24:59.760 Now, on the right, a lot of people say, well, equality of opportunity and not of outcome.

00:25:04.560 And that's great, right?

00:25:05.500 I actually do think there should be equality of opportunity.

00:25:08.740 I think ultimately that is the way you need to operate your society.

00:25:13.100 But unfortunately, when people hear equality of opportunity, they expect equality of outcome.

00:25:20.120 Because as Jezebel pointed out in the Progressive Religion post earlier above, if you have equal opportunity and you don't get equal outcomes, then people are going to be looking for explanations.

00:25:33.800 And the explanation they're going to accept is not going to be, well, you just generally don't perform as well.

00:25:40.620 Actually, when we got free markets and we've got open and equality and all these things, actually, many people just fail and they don't do well.

00:25:51.700 And they're always going to be kind of doomed to the bottom.

00:25:54.520 And that's just going to be the way it is.

00:25:56.100 People are not going to accept that.

00:25:57.520 That's not a good explanation.

00:25:59.840 And so they look for systemic explanation.

00:26:02.300 Well, the game is rigged against me.

00:26:03.660 It's about race. 0.53

00:26:05.060 It's about my gender.

00:26:07.520 It's about my sexual orientation.

00:26:09.860 There has to be a reason that me and many people from my community consistently perform below others.

00:26:16.660 And it's definitely not going to be because, well, when it came to equal opportunity, we didn't win the race.

00:26:24.380 That's not going to be an acceptable explanation.

00:26:27.760 It's not going to be just work harder and figure it out.

00:26:30.140 People are not going to stand for that, especially when the results keep coming back and over and over again.

00:26:35.760 When the same people keep ending up in the same positions in the stack, people are going to notice patterns and they're not going to like them.

00:26:43.740 And so the communist revolution in the West was oriented on race and gender.

00:26:50.420 Guys like Chris Ruffo absolutely get that correct.

00:26:53.820 Vocal distance, these guys, even James Lindsay, give him credit here.

00:26:57.860 They're absolutely correct that that's the axis it took place on.

00:27:02.340 But the reason it can take place on that axis or that axis is that we are in denial about the truth that people are unequal and that those inequalities will show up consistently in a society that does provide equal outcome or equal opportunity.

00:27:19.220 Equal outcomes will not appear.

00:27:20.600 And because different outcomes consistently appear, people will not be okay with that.

00:27:27.520 People will blame the system.

00:27:29.460 They will not take that as an acceptable explanation for what has happened.

00:27:35.140 And therefore, they will say, well, then I guess we need to give the government infinite power in order to make things equal.

00:27:41.440 If me and my friends cannot consistently perform at the top and get the promise, the things promised to us by equal opportunity, we will manufacture equal outcomes, right?

00:27:53.660 And that's what so much of the civil rights revolution and the gender revolution and the sexual revolution and everything else in the United States has been about is we were promised equal opportunity.

00:28:07.440 We didn't have it at first.

00:28:09.700 We have it now.

00:28:10.880 But then when we got it, it didn't change everything.

00:28:13.660 Actually, many, much, much of the data stayed the same or even got worse in some cases.

00:28:18.240 And now we have to blame the system.

00:28:21.820 Back to land here.

00:28:23.480 To take only the most obvious example, anybody with more than one child knows that nobody is born equal.

00:28:29.820 Monozoigic, sorry, I don't know how to, I should know how to pronounce that, but I don't, twins and clones, perhaps, perhaps accepted.

00:28:38.920 Zygotic, that's what I should go with there. 1.00

00:28:40.820 In fact, everyone is born different in innumerable ways.

00:28:45.600 Even when, as is normally the case, the implications of these differences for life outcomes are difficult to confidently predict.

00:28:54.220 So, one of the nice things, one of the problems with over-analyzing genetics is it used to be that life was a lot more of a mystery, right?

00:29:05.600 That we recognized that there were many factors that went into people's successes and failures.

00:29:10.820 And while there are plenty of really smart people out there, a lot of them end up, you know, doing nothing with their lives.

00:29:19.160 You know, destroying themselves or throwing their lives away, getting caught up in wastes of time, not reaching their potential.

00:29:28.220 So, simply having genetic advantages is insufficient, you know, in the area of IQ.

00:29:34.700 And this happens to be the case with other things as well.

00:29:37.160 But ultimately, you know, if you go ahead and analyze all this and map it all out for people, then there's this kind of self-fulfilling prophecy where we say, well, only these traits matter.

00:29:52.040 We've created a society where only these specific traits matter.

00:29:55.720 And genetically, you're predisposed to have an advantage or a disadvantage in that area.

00:30:01.300 And therefore, your life story is already written for you, right?

00:30:04.580 When we didn't have that, then people felt like they were far more in control of certain aspects of their life.

00:30:10.740 They could win or lose in different areas.

00:30:12.980 Maybe you aren't the smartest person in the world, but you're highly sociable.

00:30:16.180 Maybe you're not highly sociable, but you're very strong.

00:30:19.000 Maybe you're very brave.

00:30:20.840 It takes all cut types, right?

00:30:22.440 And that doesn't mean everybody wins.

00:30:23.660 There are people who are just, like, sickly and awful, you know, people. 1.00

00:30:28.680 And, you know, just stupid, like, they just failed on everything. 1.00

00:30:32.280 They lost the genetic lottery in all areas. 1.00

00:30:35.500 And also, they're just a bad character.

00:30:37.440 And so, like, you know, it's not that every single person has, like, these deeply redeeming qualities.

00:30:42.060 But, you know, there's much more of a sense of, you know, there are all these innumerable things that go into success.

00:30:49.580 And the way they play themselves out is there's a lot of variability.

00:30:52.980 And you don't feel like your whole life is locked in and wired in just because you got a certain score on a test or something.

00:30:59.580 But today, because we're so hyper-specialized and because we spend so much time aggregating data and studying everything, trying to plan things out, people feel trapped by a lot of these, you know, this data.

00:31:12.440 They don't feel like they are individually, independently in control of their destiny.

00:31:17.280 They feel like they're locked into kind of just this aggregate of all the data coming in.

00:31:24.220 Back to land here.

00:31:25.320 He says, where did I leave off?

00:31:29.580 Even as, in normal cases, the implications of these differences for life outcomes are difficult to confidently predict, their existence is undeniable, or at least sincerely undeniable.

00:31:42.840 Of course, sincerity, or even minimal cognitive coherence, is not remotely the issue here.

00:31:48.860 Jezebel's position, whilst impeccable in its political correctness, is not only factually dubious, but rather laughably absurd and actually, strictly speaking, insane.

00:32:01.860 So he says, look, you know, maybe we didn't know these things.

00:32:04.440 Maybe it was hard to figure out.

00:32:05.880 But we knew that they existed, right?

00:32:07.460 Even if we used to not be able to quantify a lot of these things, and I would argue we still can't properly quantify this.

00:32:12.980 I think that a lot of the confidence in predictive models and the confidence in predictive data is overblown.

00:32:20.080 I don't think everyone's life is mapped out just because we happen to have a specific score on them.

00:32:25.040 I think there's more to life and the destiny and so much about who we are.

00:32:31.380 I'm not a strict materialist.

00:32:33.980 I don't think that you can just give me a paper with, you know, your IQ score and your, you know, some other functions, and all of a sudden I know everything about you.

00:32:44.080 But he said, look, we knew these things still existed.

00:32:47.000 We knew these factors did exist, even if we didn't have some perfect mapping.

00:32:50.420 But that doesn't matter.

00:32:52.660 Like, even the most obvious observations from, you know, a thousand years ago about the fact that people are different would be unacceptable to Jezebel, right? 0.97

00:33:03.800 Because that's not what they believe.

00:33:05.600 That's not what they need for kind of the progressive religion.

00:33:09.180 It dogmatizes a denial of reality so extreme that nobody could genuinely maintain or even entertain it, let alone plausibly explain or defend it.

00:33:20.420 It's a tenet of faith that cannot be understood but only asserted or submitted to as madness made law or authoritarian religion.

00:33:31.100 So what he's saying here is, look, they don't care about any facts.

00:33:34.700 There's a lot of people, a lot of people on the right made this mistake in like 2015.

00:33:39.180 They thought that if they brought enough facts about like differences between people, they brought enough scientific facts on this, that that would matter.

00:33:46.080 It quickly became very, very obvious to them that those facts don't matter.

00:33:52.440 They don't impact any of this.

00:33:53.880 They actually don't even put a crack in the edifice of this religion.

00:33:58.240 This is something to be taken on faith.

00:34:01.040 And in fact, the fact that you take enough faith is a mark of allegiance.

00:34:06.620 Curtis Yarvin has this great turn of phrase, nonsense as a uniform, or as I rephrase it, clown world as a uniform, where just your belief in these absurdities is actually useful to the regime.

00:34:20.980 Because anyone can believe a fact, right?

00:34:23.740 Like anyone can just say, oh, the sky is blue and we all believe the sky is blue.

00:34:27.900 Like there's no, you know, there's no value to that as a regime.

00:34:31.480 But if a regime is trying to exercise power and it can get you to parrot back things that are obviously false, obviously a lie, like all people are equal and there are no differences between people.

00:34:42.900 If they can get you to say something that is so obviously untrue, that you will embarrass yourself, you will fall, prostate before them and utter this, even though you can observe right in front of you that it's a lie, then that shows them that you are loyal.

00:35:00.240 It is as a uniform.

00:35:02.100 It's nonsense as a uniform.

00:35:04.080 And that is extremely useful.

00:35:05.360 It's like getting everyone to wear an armband that says, I believe in the regime.

00:35:09.980 I am loyal to the regime.

00:35:11.400 I am so loyal that I will openly deny obvious facts.

00:35:15.720 I do not care.

00:35:17.080 Facts cannot impact my feelings, buddy.

00:35:20.100 You know, Sin Ben Shapiro hacking.

00:35:23.000 The facts can just not impact what I am believing here.

00:35:27.860 That's what he's talking about.

00:35:29.440 Back to land in the essay.

00:35:31.240 The political commandment of this religion is transparent.

00:35:34.000 Accept progressive social policy as the only possible solution to the sin.

00:35:40.120 You see it crossed out there.

00:35:41.560 He's crossed out sin.

00:35:42.540 Problem of inequality.

00:35:44.640 So, so this is the key function here, right?

00:35:48.280 This is why it's so important.

00:35:51.060 This is a source of eternal power for the regime.

00:35:56.640 People are unequal.

00:35:58.180 That is just a fact of reality.

00:36:00.720 It's so obviously observable that to deny it is absurd as land has, has said quite comically

00:36:07.060 here through, through some fun language.

00:36:08.960 This is so obviously true that, that anyone willing to deny it is clearly bought into this

00:36:16.800 religion.

00:36:17.160 And because this thing is so obviously true that people are not equal, the, the, the power 0.81

00:36:24.580 needed to make it true is infinite.

00:36:27.040 It's infinite.

00:36:27.940 And the same way that the, the power to need to make people, uh, economically equal in communism

00:36:33.300 is infinite.

00:36:34.220 So this is a source of infinite, eternal revolution, right?

00:36:39.200 Infinite energy for eternal revolution.

00:36:41.180 You need all the power in the world all the time.

00:36:44.800 You need all the obedience.

00:36:46.100 You need everyone to be lying to themselves and everyone else all the time.

00:36:51.020 And if you allow them to tell the truth or notice the truth at any moment that could

00:36:55.240 shatter the illusion of equality.

00:36:57.240 So you absolutely need totalitarian control.

00:37:00.380 You need the total state at all times to enforce this level of unreality, because if you don't,

00:37:09.300 the whole thing could come apart.

00:37:11.180 The whole thing could come apart.

00:37:13.000 And so this, this is the utility that the faith has for the regime.

00:37:16.920 Now I'd like to say, as always, they both believe this is true and this is useful for

00:37:22.960 power.

00:37:23.560 Okay.

00:37:24.260 They believe this.

00:37:25.540 These are true believers.

00:37:26.760 This is, they, they have the faith.

00:37:28.180 Even if all the evidence is, is just right in front of them, they don't care.

00:37:33.060 They believe it.

00:37:34.220 And they believe they have the righteous duty to enforce it.

00:37:37.820 However, it's also useful for their power.

00:37:41.480 It gives them a ruling formula, a, a, a, a political formula that enables them to demand

00:37:48.920 infinite power from their people all the time.

00:37:51.100 And this is the function in the West of this ideology. 0.98

00:37:54.140 It is, it is, it is gay race, communist, right? 1.00

00:37:57.540 It's, it's communism, but for your sexuality, uh, your skin color, uh, your gender, uh, your, 0.80

00:38:05.080 your, your, uh, all your, all of these things instead of for economics.

00:38:10.640 Right.

00:38:11.040 And that utility is the utility of that is the infinite power for eternal revolution.

00:38:18.000 The commandment is a categorical imperative.

00:38:21.640 No possible fact could undermine, complicate, or, uh, or revise it.

00:38:26.580 If progressive social policy actually results in an, uh, exacerbation of the problem, fallen

00:38:35.320 reality is to blame since the social malady is obviously worse than had been originally

00:38:41.680 envisaged and only redoubled efforts in the same direction can hope to remedy it.

00:38:46.500 So it's like, not only is this thing like a religious fervor, but the progressive social

00:38:52.460 policy is the only acceptable solution.

00:38:54.740 And even if it looks like, even if you're lying, eyes tell you, even if the data tells

00:38:59.080 you that actually the progressive, the solution is failing and the progressive solution is actually

00:39:04.420 maybe even making things worse.

00:39:05.660 That can't be true.

00:39:07.160 That cannot be true.

00:39:08.540 That's heresy.

00:39:09.560 You take that back.

00:39:10.700 That's heresy.

00:39:11.700 It's impossible for the policy to be making things worse.

00:39:14.720 Instead, we just underestimated how racist or sexist or homophobic the people were.

00:39:21.820 And we need more power to reconstruct the chuds, right? 1.00

00:39:27.160 We need more power to reconstruct the unrepentant, right? 0.97

00:39:31.900 Uh, white middle class, uh, uh, racist, evangelical Christian males.

00:39:37.380 We need to, we need to re-educate them until finally we can make everyone equal all the time.

00:39:44.380 That there is no, the policy never fails.

00:39:47.920 It simply has not been done hard enough.

00:39:50.860 That is the only explanation for failure.

00:39:54.240 Only acceptable explanation for failure.

00:39:56.960 The only answer is to double and triple down on the process.

00:40:01.300 There can be nothing to learn in matters of faith.

00:40:04.540 And eventually systematic social, uh, collapse teaches the lesson that chronic failure and

00:40:12.260 incremental deterioration could not communicate. 0.88

00:40:16.260 That's a macro scale social Darwinism for dummies.

00:40:20.240 And that's the way that civilizations end.

00:40:22.920 So he says, basically when your civilization is so determined that this is the only solution

00:40:28.660 and this is their political formula, this is how they gain power.

00:40:31.780 So they're deeply invested in it.

00:40:33.100 They're never going to walk it back.

00:40:34.540 If that's the way that your society is structured, then it is specifically not allowed to notice

00:40:40.560 when there's systemic social collapse or chronic failures.

00:40:46.160 Like, like, like the, the fact that you have these small pieces failing one at a time that

00:40:52.580 cannot be noticed.

00:40:53.480 And even when you have the larger issues falling apart, you can't notice it, right?

00:40:58.640 You can't notice that the planes don't land like they used to.

00:41:02.260 You can't notice that the cities are unsafe.

00:41:04.680 You can't notice that everything is dirty.

00:41:06.740 You can't notice that, uh, people have to lock up the products in their stores so that

00:41:12.980 no one can actually go shopping anymore.

00:41:15.080 You can't notice all of those little things.

00:41:17.360 It's illegal.

00:41:18.420 It's immoral. 1.00

00:41:19.300 You're a racist. 1.00

00:41:20.300 If you notice you're a sexist, if you notice, uh, you're, you're a homophobe. 1.00

00:41:24.860 If you notice that there's a problem with the public education, that your kids aren't learning

00:41:28.180 how to read, write, or any of that stuff, but they do want to transition when they're

00:41:31.780 nine years old.

00:41:32.460 You can't notice any of that stuff.

00:41:34.120 Noticing that stuff is heresy.

00:41:36.180 You will be burned in public for doing it.

00:41:39.000 But he says, eventually the social cost comes due.

00:41:42.580 Like you can't, you can't take all of your social capital and burn it to try to create

00:41:47.780 this equality.

00:41:48.380 You can't take total social control forever in an attempt to make, force everyone to be

00:41:54.480 equal and just have that going in perpetuity.

00:41:57.600 In the same way, the Soviet union and other communist countries couldn't maintain.

00:42:02.020 So, you know, actual communist, uh, economic policies and continue to exist.

00:42:07.700 Some of them collapsed entirely from attempting to dedicate themselves to strict social, uh,

00:42:13.020 you know, communist, uh, policies, Marxist policies, others adapt, like China adapted and

00:42:18.500 basically, uh, created a hybrid version of, of, uh, uh, capitalism that actually worked

00:42:24.260 with the totalitarian government.

00:42:26.000 Uh, but, but you cannot continue to deny reality.

00:42:30.240 Uh, you, you may have gathered all of the power in the world together in an attempt to,

00:42:34.980 uh, create equality through the communist revolution, but eventually reality breaks through.

00:42:41.040 And if you have structured your entire society around not being able to notice what's failing,

00:42:47.460 then collapse is what solves that problem.

00:42:50.540 That that's how civilizations end when the, when things get so bad.

00:42:56.000 Uh, that, uh, and you're not allowed to notice it's illegal to notice how bad they're getting.

00:43:00.480 Uh, and eventually just, you burn every piece of social, uh, credit fabric that you have attempting

00:43:06.380 to hold this lie together and you consolidate all power under yourself.

00:43:10.160 And then your society just falls apart because you, you've taken every, you've stripped all of the

00:43:16.440 things that make your society work out in an attempt to create this artificial, uh, equality

00:43:23.140 that simply cannot exist in the real world.

00:43:25.620 And you made it illegal to notice.

00:43:27.380 So you can't take any corrective action.

00:43:28.720 And eventually it all just comes apart.

00:43:31.060 So that's what land is saying here is in the same way that, uh, the attempt attempt to,

00:43:37.280 for communists to make economic equality, the religion of the state and to create, you know,

00:43:44.980 all power unto itself, gather all power under, unto itself.

00:43:48.320 And in the same way that that failed because it was battling against a, um, a fact of nature,

00:43:54.840 it seems like a source of infinite power at first, right?

00:43:57.520 Because there's always inequality.

00:43:59.120 And so there's the power of the eternal revolution is there for you, but you are warping your society

00:44:04.280 so badly and burning what makes a society down so quickly as fuel for your power that eventually

00:44:11.160 you just collapse the side.

00:44:12.480 And Western societies are doing the same thing here now with social issues.

00:44:17.920 We've done, we're in the same way that communist countries did it with economic issues.

00:44:21.980 We're doing with culture war issues.

00:44:24.060 And, uh, the, the consequences are obvious.

00:44:26.600 We can see them all around us.

00:44:27.940 We all know the consequences of believing in this religion.

00:44:32.060 Uh, and yet we continue to do them because no one's allowed to notice them.

00:44:35.400 There is no, not allowed to know is failed social policy.

00:44:37.960 You're not allowed to knows that's making things worse.

00:44:40.360 If you do, it'll destroy your life.

00:44:42.480 So everyone just doubles down and everything gets worse until these things come apart.

00:44:46.840 Uh, that, that is the good news is that when they come apart, eventually, you know, that

00:44:51.180 things can get better.

00:44:52.160 Uh, Russia is, uh, in a better state than it was, uh, under communism for sure.

00:44:57.580 Uh, whatever other problems you might have with Russia, uh, the Russian people are certainly

00:45:00.960 in a better place than they were, uh, when, when people were starving, uh, for lack of, of,

00:45:06.220 of grain.

00:45:07.260 Uh, and you know, the, the same thing can be true, uh, in the West as well.

00:45:11.260 But of course you have to go through a very unpleasant period.

00:45:13.300 Uh, Russia certainly did, uh, the end of the Soviet union and, and, you know, kind of

00:45:18.340 the early nineties when they were ruled, uh, just by oligarchs was certainly not great times

00:45:23.060 to be a Russian.

00:45:24.780 Uh, and so it's, it's a, it's a bitter pill, right?

00:45:28.040 It's a bit, it's kind of a bitter white pill.

00:45:30.340 Uh, you, you know that these things can't last and they will come apart and you know that

00:45:34.880 things will eventually get better.

00:45:36.140 Uh, but you have to go through a point of, of very difficult times in order to get to

00:45:40.760 the end.

00:45:41.440 All right, guys, let's go ahead and move over to our questions of the people here real quick.

00:45:48.380 Looks like we have a creeper weirdo who says, uh, look, Orin.

00:45:52.920 Oh, sorry.

00:45:53.600 Put you on the screen.

00:45:54.360 Look, Orin, uh, uh, that woke you're pointing out.

00:45:57.680 It's going to get put away, uh, any day now, any day now.

00:46:01.020 Yes.

00:46:01.440 Again, this is why my thesis is that the will can't be put away.

00:46:05.060 This is why I feel confident in my ability to defeat academic agents.

00:46:09.340 Um, because we are in the same process in the same way, uh, that, um, the Soviet union

00:46:14.820 burned itself out, uh, attempting to kind of be, uh, Marxist.

00:46:19.400 Uh, the, the West is going to burn itself out, uh, attempting, uh, its own version of a

00:46:24.120 communist revolution.

00:46:25.260 Now, I mean, there's always, you know, the China did course correct. 0.98

00:46:28.100 Right.

00:46:28.480 So maybe, maybe a, we'll be right.

00:46:30.200 Maybe we have the Chinese, Chinese equivalent of the elites and they are willing to pivot 1.00

00:46:35.160 away.

00:46:35.760 They'll still call it something, uh, but they'll, they'll pivot away from the worst part of the

00:46:40.180 wokeness and keep the society going. 0.91

00:46:42.260 But I have to say, I, I do definitely doubt that is the case.

00:46:47.060 Uh, let's see.

00:46:48.500 All right, guys, let's go ahead and move over.

00:46:51.700 Oh, nope.

00:46:52.240 We're got, oh, we got everybody.

00:46:53.520 Okay.

00:46:54.100 All right.

00:46:54.460 Well, then we will go ahead and wrap this up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 05, 2024

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