00:00:00.000Hey, everybody. How's it going? Thanks for joining me this afternoon. I've got a great stream with a great guest that I think you're really going to enjoy. Before we get started, I just want to remind you that America's 250th celebration is coming up. So if you want to celebrate with some great merch from the Blaze this summer, make sure to head to shopblazemedia.com. When you do, use the promo code ORIN10 and you're going to get 10% off your merchandise along with a 30-day free trial of Blaze TV.
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00:00:34.840blaze tv today all right guys i'm sure we have all noticed this we walk into an area and all the gas
00:00:43.300stations all the hotels all the liquor stores all of some business is entirely owned by people of
00:00:50.080well frankly the same ethnic background and it's not the way that it used to be it's not because
00:00:54.800you had hundreds of years of people doing the same job in the same town and that's why you know
00:01:00.200this one family controls all of the woodworking or something it's a bunch of people who've only
00:01:04.840been here for 20 or 30 years and for some reason everybody from their same hometown back in whatever
00:01:10.840country they came from suddenly owns a hotel or a gas station here in the united states what's going
00:01:16.620on is that just some kind of coincidence is it collusion are these people even getting funds
00:01:21.720from the government in order to make it happen. Joining me today to talk about this is a businessman
00:01:26.660and writer, CJ Ingalls. Thank you so much for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks for having me.
00:01:32.760Of course. Well, I mean, I think a lot of people probably have some rough outline of how this gets
00:01:38.960put together, but they may not understand all the mechanisms that we are observing when we see
00:01:44.160kind of these takeovers of tight ethnic cartels in these different businesses. Again, gas stations,
00:01:50.740liquor stores uh motels yeah there's a famous book about the patel motel cartel right and then
00:01:57.940of course uh when you look at uh for instance trucking in the united states all of a sudden
00:02:02.420seeks are starting to dominate trucking they're pushing everyone out all these illegal seeks
00:02:07.100are cut are suddenly being caught like killing people in these truck driving accidents because
00:02:11.700they're not trained but they're being forced in if you look at an it uh you know uh operation in
00:02:17.520many tech sectors. It's completely dominated by these foreign diasporas. So I guess let's start0.74
00:02:23.580at the beginning. We all understand this generational acquisition of kind of having
00:02:29.020a business over time. But how do we have this explosion of people whose families have only been
00:02:33.840here for a few decades suddenly owning like every business in an area? Right. It's the phrase that
00:02:40.980I've kind of picked up on doing some research is a great article about this on Aporia. I think
00:02:47.180that's how you pronounce it magazine and it describes this phenomenon of what he calls
00:02:51.700non-linear ethnic niches so there's all these niches in america you mentioned a few of them
00:02:56.480a couple other examples would be vietnamese dominated nail salons um cambodian dominated
00:03:03.060donut shops and you can see it in the trucking industry with the seeks as you mentioned the one
00:03:07.460that i'm primarily focused on um for reasons we'll get to at the end are gas stations and hotels
00:03:12.740And so this nonlinear ethnic niche means that basically a certain niche, a certain industry is saturated or consumed by a specific ethnic group.
00:03:23.180And they're nonlinear, which means that it's not a phenomenon based solely on fathers building up a business and handing it on to their sons who pass it on to their sons and so on.
00:03:32.420But really, it's this ethnic enclave of tribalism that basically colonial colonializes.
00:03:39.240And we'll get to that in a minute. But they colonialize a specific niche.
00:03:43.040So it's a nonlinear ethnic niche. And that actually came from an article in The New York Times back in the 90s, that phrase.
00:03:50.680So it's not something that we've only noticed post-Obama, but it's actually something that's been there for some time based on immigration reforms that have been going back, you know, half a century, you know, really since Hart Seller.
00:04:01.360We can talk about the details of that, but it's a really obvious phenomenon and we notice
00:04:12.300You know, that's, I grew up in Northern California in race car culture.
00:04:16.420And so the gas station is something that really celebrated, you know, Ford and Chevy and all
00:04:21.420of these American, you know, mobilizing phenomena in the mid 20th century.
00:04:26.240But somehow over the last few decades, and it's getting worse, everybody's noticed.
00:04:30.920that these gas stations are completely occupied by people who have no connection with the historic
00:04:36.840American car and rural roadside culture. So it is something worth talking about. And we need to
00:04:42.160address it. I mean, people notice it. It's kind of something that's whispered about family members,
00:04:46.940maybe talk about it, but I think it's really worth making it into a national issue. And that's part
00:04:51.940of what I want to do. Yeah, I think this is huge on so many levels. So first, as you're saying,
00:04:56.960there's like this aesthetic quality to this third world takeover of places like gas stations they0.79
00:05:02.740don't seem like the most important thing it's not this library it's not some monument you know it's
00:05:08.160not this grand cultural thing but it is something we interact with day to day and that used to have
00:05:14.000a culture that we as americans recognize reflected back to us in something as simple as a gas station
00:05:20.140now when you walk in every one of these places is full of like you know drug paraphernalia you know1.00
00:05:26.060random tchotchkes from different cultures, a collection of, you know, foreign calling cards0.98
00:05:32.200to reach Brazil or, you know, wherever all these different people are from. It doesn't look0.93
00:05:37.760American. It looks like a way station for the third world that's been dropped in the middle1.00
00:05:42.100of your community. And of course, this goes well beyond just the gas station, but we can see also0.99
00:05:47.420the opportunities that are denied, right? Like these used to be small family businesses for
00:05:52.980Americans, that Americans would hope to start one day, as you say, would pass down from father to
00:05:58.480son. This gas station has been in my family for generations. This is what we do. We run this
00:06:03.600business. There was a heart and soul built into this. This is also how teenagers had summer jobs,
00:06:09.060how young people who weren't necessarily going to go to college could find a way forward by that
00:06:14.200family heritage that passed this down. And instead, we have this colonization from these different
00:06:20.500you know third world countries that come in they completely control the area and then all of a
00:06:25.440sudden that opportunity is gone but what we hear a lot of times from people is like vivek ramaswamy1.00
00:06:32.480like this is why he his crash out was so epic was oh well it's because those third worlders are0.92
00:06:37.880working harder it's the indians the sikhs it's the you know the vietnamese or whoever they have
00:06:43.880hard-working hustle immigrant culture and you guys are just lazy americans watching saved by
00:06:49.660the bell and that's why you don't have this now we know there's a history of certain ethnicities1.00
00:06:56.100moving in and filling different niches as you say you know we can look at let's see like the
00:07:01.740rooftop koreans right in the la riots why are they on the rooftops well they're defending their0.92
00:07:06.400stores because they own all the stores in the black neighborhoods right like that's why there's
00:07:11.720that tension between koreans and african-americans because there is that ownership disparity uh that0.54
00:07:18.760We could also, you know, think of, you know, Jewish landlords in black neighborhoods.
00:07:22.840There have been riots over that as well when they see the tensions of those communities.
00:07:25.840So there's nothing necessarily new about the idea that different groups might move in and control a certain industry in an area.
00:07:34.600But what we're seeing is an explosion that has just never been witnessed and not just in these very specific urban zones, but all across the country.0.66
00:07:44.140So how do we get the shift of like, OK, well, we do know that a lot of Koreans own grocery stores in this area to actually Indians own every gas station or every liquor store or every motel for the next five states.0.88
00:07:59.900Like what were there some kind of incentive program built in that allowed them to gain this foothold?0.66
00:08:06.460So I actually think that it's worth going back to the history a little bit deeper before the shift because people need to understand why it happened because it allows us to compare some of the myths about America that we tell ourselves like individualism and colorblindness and some of this anti-tribalism that is kind of percolated into the liberal frame of mind.
00:08:26.680So I actually think it is worth going back. The way that I started thinking about this was basically a story from the 1940s.
00:08:34.620And this is actually, you might find this interesting, but the story kind of starts in 1942 in California.
00:08:41.600So what happened in 1942 was the Japanese internment program that FDR initiated as part of World War II.
00:08:49.080And so what happened in California, and you have to remember that in the 1940s, we were still in the old 1920s immigration paradigm.
00:08:56.360So back then there was a quota system and it heavily favored European immigrants because they were seen as more symbiotic with the American way of life.
00:09:07.620And so, you know, back in 1917, I think it was 1917, there was basically an act that said that Asians were not allowed to immigrate here at all.
00:09:16.180So being an Indian in California was extremely rare.
00:09:19.320The only way you could get in is almost by accident.
00:09:21.120You could get in illegally, but there were some tiny loopholes, but basically there was, you know, a few thousand at most in the 1940s.
00:09:30.020But what happened is it's really interesting.
00:09:32.480So when there was this Japanese internment, all of these Japanese owned businesses, their owners had to leave almost overnight.
00:09:40.000There was this little hotel in the Sacramento area.
00:09:43.280It's currently on the spot where the Golden One Center is, which was where the Sacramento Kings play today.
00:09:49.400But this hotel Ford was owned by this Japanese lady, and she basically hosted a lot of these seasonal migrants. The agriculture in California has long been staffed with migrants. There was this one Indian individual who basically hung around. He was a constant customer of the hotel, and she basically asked him, it was easier to ask him because she didn't know whether she'd be back or not, if he could sort of oversee and manage the hotel while she was gone.0.56
00:10:19.400So he stepped in. This was 1942. And he realized that there was this great opportunity for all of these hotels and gas stations weren't really on the radar yet.
00:10:30.460But these hotels that basically he could capture because the Japanese owned opportunities were basically opening up and no one else really saw this.0.66
00:10:41.440So he basically captured this. Now, he was someone who didn't speak English very well.0.52
00:10:45.560He probably had like a bit of a nebulous legal standing.
00:10:49.440No one's really sure whether he was legal.
00:10:53.220And the way to do that, instead of going through the formalities of hiring employees, was basically just to hire his co-ethnics and operate this hotel.0.81
00:11:01.160And a lot of the customers that were served with this hotel were other migrants.0.67
00:11:05.380And so he realized that there's this industry that could be created by basically taking advantage, exploiting this situation where a lot of these Indians, they couldn't get formal employment.0.80
00:11:18.020And a lot of the customers, they were more comfortable at a sort of informal, under the table type model of living in the hotel and stuff.
00:11:26.740So he kind of kept that going and he expanded into the San Francisco area.
00:11:30.540Now, when you're in a situation like that, you're incentivized to basically hire within your group. He didn't want to bring in institutional capital because at that time it was all basically not set up in a way that he would benefit from.
00:11:48.800So you have this expanding situation from Sacramento to San Francisco to the Central Valley to Los Angeles, all throughout California, and it created this model, and they realized that there was this opportunity to expand.
00:12:03.880That's how the hotel industry got started, and now it's something like 60% to 70% of small chain hotels are dominated by these, they're called Gujarati Indians from West India.
00:12:15.260and that's going to become important later on because the dynamic of ethnic enclaves is going0.93
00:12:21.020to depend on you know chain migration bringing in other families and so you have to stick within
00:12:26.560your tribe so the that's why it's not just a broad indian-owned gas station or broad indian-owned
00:12:32.480hotel phenomena it's actually very much within the gujarati tribe and that's important because
00:12:37.880of the dynamics of immigration post heart cellar so that's that's really the history of it and so
00:12:43.460they created this entire industry of basically training up co-ethnics who could speak the same
00:12:48.700language. They had the same habits. They had this in-group preference, these in-group trust complexes
00:12:54.080that they could depend upon. It also made for very loyal employees because where else could
00:12:59.740they go? Where else would they be hired except for within that industry, which was increasingly
00:13:05.380dominated by this ethnic group? So it created this feedback mechanism. So this entire culture0.83
00:13:10.560was created that preceded what we really want to talk about, which is the shift that you alluded
00:13:16.160to in things like the Small Business Administration, the Civil Rights Act, and the Heart Seller
00:13:21.660Immigration Act. This culture was kind of fostered in the 40s and 50s before there was actually any
00:13:28.580abandonment of the European quota system. So the actual roots of the phenomenon actually
00:13:35.460are important and they go back to the 40s and 50s. So we see this opportunity opened up,
00:13:41.740ironically, by one ethnicity kind of being removed from their ability to operate their businesses.0.99
00:13:47.280And as you say, there is this proto H1B culture that's built up because they can't really get0.99
00:13:54.360jobs anywhere else. They're usually illegal or they don't have the skills, the language skills,1.00
00:14:00.160the other thing, to kind of search elsewhere. They're going to be employees in this industry
00:14:05.240that's kind of where the industry wants them because that means they're cheap it means they're
00:14:09.400reliable means they can't go anywhere your focus on the tribal sourcing i think is also really
00:14:14.240important if you paid attention to uh you know sarah gonzalez or tyler olivera or any of these
00:14:26.240you'll notice that they all come from the same cities or the same tribes the same areas
00:14:30.760because that is it's those family connections it's not about merit you're not getting the best
00:14:35.280and the brightest you're not getting the top you know cream of the crop you're not getting
00:14:38.660the the best iqs you're getting people who are related to each other and they're just bringing
00:14:42.860their entire families over and they want people to be locked into this scenario they want to create
00:14:48.260uh this you know environment where there's an understanding that we kind of do things off the
00:14:53.960books we kind of you know don't worry too much about paperwork if you don't speak the language
00:14:58.160Actually, maybe that's better because then we know you can't go work somewhere else. You're going to have to work in an establishment like ours that would put up with it.
00:15:06.280So, yeah, very, very interesting to know that there is this entire culture, this entire system before we see any of the legal shifts, but that are ultimately going to kind of cement certain groups in these industries and build this kind of idea of these ethnic enclaves, these ethnic groups owning entire industries before we even move into the ability of the government to grant additional money, additional funding,
00:15:33.940all the things that could ultimately incentivize an explosion of this behavior.
00:15:38.440Yeah. Let me just say too, there's this myth of assimilation. One of the characteristics I
00:15:43.760wanted to highlight about this is that the gas station and hotel and all these other industries0.94
00:15:48.700that we've mentioned, those ethnic niches are actually predicated on non-assimilation,0.93
00:15:55.580not assimilation, because they depend on people that don't speak the language,
00:16:01.360that don't have the same habits, that don't have the same norms, that have this in-group
00:16:05.460preference that depend on each other for survival, non-assimilation is actually better for the
00:16:10.660model. And so we have this myth of assimilation where the entire 20th century is structured on
00:16:15.680this paradigm of immigrants coming in, assimilating into the pro-capitalistic
00:16:20.940culture of America. But actually, that's not the way this whole system developed. It actually was
00:16:26.360predicated on non-assimilation and if assimilation was present the entire system wouldn't wouldn't
00:16:32.500actually work and we wouldn't be seeing this so non-assimilation is a key part of the story here
00:16:36.500that that's a really excellent point because yeah i think this is the thing that a lot of
00:16:42.840conservatives buy into look we're free marketers we think anyone can be an american you should
00:16:47.600come here and live the dream and so when someone's bringing someone here to do a job they're going to
00:16:53.000climb the ladder. They're going to better themselves. And in a generation or two,
00:16:56.860they're just going to be an American like anybody else. And the truth is, as you say,
00:17:02.520you have to maintain that dependency. You know, this is a classic political formula of trapping
00:17:08.740people into a dependency on your system in order to ensure that support. So if at any moment these
00:17:15.560people do assimilate, if they do join the culture, if they do become contributing members of society
00:17:20.140that speak the language and you know just go to baseball games and enjoy an apple pie and do
00:17:25.260everything else that americans do well then their value to the system has completely vanished or
00:17:31.140more importantly the value of the system to them has vanished because now they can go out and get
00:17:35.180a job anywhere they can live anywhere they can survive in any given community but that is very
00:17:39.900specifically not what the business business owners want that's not what the communities that bring
00:17:44.220them in want so even if that was something that the people want which you know hit or miss depending
00:17:49.500on the immigrant, they're actually directly incentivized to not integrate, to not achieve
00:17:54.240that. Because once they do, then all of those advantages for the business fall away.0.99
00:17:59.360Yeah. Not only do they fall away from the business, but they fall away from where the
00:18:03.640incentives are for consumer demand. Because what you can do if you avoid the system is you can
00:18:08.560operate cheaply, right? You can bring the prices down below what a typical, within the legal system,
00:18:15.760business can compete with. And so because of the way that they do payroll and because of the way
00:18:22.000that they have associations with vendors and because of the product selection, you can actually
00:18:28.480undercut established businesses in this way too. So you create this feedback mechanism where once
00:18:35.280you've built an empire of underground gas station chains or hotel chains, you can never bring it
00:18:40.520online. You can never compete on the, you know, up to par system. And so it actually creates a
00:18:47.860barrier to entry to Heritage Americans, so they can't actually get in there unless you're a0.60
00:18:53.980metacorporation. So at the same time as this phenomenon of ethnic tribalism is going on,0.98
00:19:00.360there's this also this other track that we can get to where, you know, corporatism and
00:19:05.160internationalism and globalism at an institutional level is actually is is also you know being built
00:19:11.280up and whites are told that their whole culture is built on individualism and anti-tribalism
00:19:17.560and they are constantly interfacing with the corporate with the corporate side and so you
00:19:23.060have this culture being fostered on one hand where these ethnic groups are basically leaning on each0.92
00:19:29.460other and building up their own social capital within their within that complex whereas whites
00:19:34.980are becoming continually deracinated. There's that phenomenon of bullying alone, where the
00:19:39.460social capital is being liquidated and people are becoming disenfranchised from their own
00:19:45.160communities. So these two tracks are happening. And it's going to culminate in a major culture
00:19:49.980war that I think is part of the explanation for Donald Trump. But you see these heritage
00:19:55.680Americans going along this one track with the corporate dominated. And there's a major story
00:20:00.780to be told about the sellout of corporate America against heritage Americans on one side. And then
00:20:06.900there's the ethnic groups that are chasing this in-group preference in this niche industry capture
00:20:12.280on the other side. And it's going to, you know, it's going to culminate in a major series of
00:20:17.060tensions, which I think we're at here now in the first quarter of the 21st century.
00:20:21.660Oh, absolutely. I mean, we're watching this phenomenon unfold right now, right? Like after
00:20:25.780the election in new york we have all these conservatives panicking because they recognize
00:20:30.800how radical the democratic party has become and why well because now like these districts are0.96
00:20:35.820like 15 white and it's all these minorities and they're all acting in the ways that they're like0.97
00:20:41.020tribal homelands would encourage and so they get together and they explicitly you know go ahead and0.97
00:20:46.880uh campaign on you know their own uh benefits their own values their self-interest their tribal
00:20:53.140interests i mean you have the mayor of uh you know uh minneapolis you know uh courting different
00:21:00.180uh ethi or what is it um different gangs from somalia different tribes because like he's
00:21:06.200playing one tribe off against each other to to make sure that he can maintain his mayorship like
00:21:11.300that's the kind of political dynamics you get and all of a sudden there's this panic oh well0.99
00:21:15.080you know all these muslims are building their own cities in texas they're trying to pass sharia law0.98
00:21:19.680they're trying to create their own communities and it's like yeah what do you think was going
00:21:23.080to happen guys like you have a bunch of people right yeah and not only that you have encouraged
00:21:28.180uh white americans to not see themselves as being worthy of doing anything like that
00:21:32.680and at the same time you have carved out this belief that these people should engage with it
00:21:37.940and as you say it's not just that dynamic of tribalism it's also the expectation from
00:21:43.300corporations and different things you know down here in florida obviously construction is a huge
00:21:47.520deal and a lot of illegals out there in on construction sites and it's a well-known you
00:21:54.860know secret to everybody not really a secret at all but you know something that is obviously0.78
00:21:58.860operating you have to have one what they call the white crew and they really do that even if it's0.52
00:22:04.520not a white people they just call it the white crew and the reason you have to have at least
00:22:07.800one white crew is if you are going to do a job that is bonded that is like insured or is like
00:22:13.900If you want to work for government contracts, you have to prove that everybody is actually
00:22:43.900by you know crews of illegals who are allowed to kind of cut corners ignore all of the regulations
00:22:49.280that kind of thing and then you have this like 10 percent of the company that does actually run
00:22:54.460above board and you know for for legal purposes does have an actual crew of people who can do the
00:23:00.180job meet the code requirements meet their legal labor requirements and so there's this entire
00:23:05.860like basically iceberg shadow economy where only 10 percent of construction is actually operating
00:23:11.620in a legal manner and is actually complying. And then the rest of the industry is entirely buoyed
00:23:17.680by this capture of illegals. Right, right, exactly. So that's all important backstory.
00:23:25.420And I think it's important to emphasize the fact that that's basically the soil on which what I
00:23:30.080call a three-pronged revolution kind of came in and lit the fuse. So these things were already
00:23:34.840there. The gunpowder was already strewn about the floor. And now something lit the fuse to
00:23:41.300actually explode that into what we see now. And so the three-pronged revolution that we should
00:23:46.460probably talk about here for 20 minutes is starting with, in 1958, with the Small Business
00:23:53.440Act, and it created the Small Business Administration. And there were some programs
00:23:58.140within this that basically were eventually able to be leveraged and weaponized on behalf of these0.98
00:24:06.720ethnic minorities to kind of bring them online and allow them to conquer in a very legal way,0.64
00:24:12.820in a very politically relevant way, what was already going on under the surface. Because0.98
00:24:16.980remember, in the 40s and 50s, Indian immigration was basically illegal. It was unheard of. Now,
00:24:23.640they had incentives to bring them in. So by the time you get to the 1960s with the immigration0.99
00:24:28.200reform, that gave a massive boon to this industry. But the first thing to understand is that the
00:24:33.260Small Business Administration is going to be part of the equation here because people always talk
00:24:37.820about the fact that somehow these ethnic groups get access to all of these loans backed by the
00:24:43.400government, backed by the U.S. taxpayer, backed by the very people that the corporations and the
00:24:49.040administrative state are kind of betraying. They're backed by these taxpayers. And so we're
00:24:55.300shouldering the burden of what's going to become this financial warfare model. So that comes into
00:25:01.240play in 1958 the small business administration is very important now at the beginning the small
00:25:06.040business administration was relatively unbiased it was relatively colorblind it wasn't you know
00:25:13.960intended to benefit ethnic minorities now that all changes with the with the civil rights act
00:25:20.600which we'll get to in a minute and affirmative action and disparate impact and some of those
00:25:24.200things so but the sba is very important uh part of the equation here so that was 1958 the second
00:25:29.160thing was the heart cellar. So heart cellar, as everybody listening to this knows, basically did
00:25:36.800with the quota system. It basically undermined the old American patriotic regime, which said that
00:25:45.020immigration should be based on cultural symbiosis. If people from England or Germany or France or
00:25:53.160any of these other Western European, Dutch, Ireland, any of these other places, they were
00:25:57.840more culturally compatible with American history and heritage and norms than other places like
00:26:05.740South Asia. And so it did away with all that. And so when that happened, there was none
00:26:11.920of these roadblocks for Indian immigration were in existence anymore. And so now it started
00:26:19.680to create the incentives for these Indians here in America, these Gujarati, to basically0.69
00:26:26.220leverage what we now call something akin to chain migration. So basically, if someone gets legal0.98
00:26:32.780status in the United States, they are allowed to bring their immediate family members. So if an
00:26:38.600individual gets a green card to work here, he's allowed to bring his spouse, his father, his
00:26:44.200children. So for every one Indian immigrant, you get six, seven, eight more of them. So you can
00:26:51.560eight times the effect of each individual and so there there were of course general immigration caps
00:26:58.360but the bringing in the family didn't count toward the cap so if if you wanted to bring in an
00:27:04.420individual and he brought in seven more family members that only counted as one immigrant uh
00:27:10.040under the under the heart cellar so that's a major change people didn't really appreciate how that
00:27:15.260would explode because each of them you know suddenly you know you look at a family tree you
00:27:19.780You know, you start with the great-great-great-grandfather and you see how many, only in a few generations, you can get a lot of people.
00:27:26.920It's the same concept with Heart Cellar once that happened.0.94
00:27:30.020And, you know, of course, as everyone knows, in the 20th century especially, Indian population exploded.
00:27:37.420And so their families are a lot bigger than Americans were from the 19th century to the 20th century.
00:27:42.920And so we're talking families that are much bigger than American families.
00:27:46.140And so the effect of that chain migration maybe wasn't seen in the early years.
00:27:52.860And a lot of people kind of underplayed it.
00:27:54.420There were a few like lonely voices in the wilderness that kind of looked at the logic
00:27:57.920of this, but now we're seeing the consequences.
00:28:00.980You're talking millions of people that were brought in on the backs of, you know, an eighth
00:28:08.220of what currently exists just because of the model of bringing in family members.
00:28:12.260Now, another aspect of the Heart Cellar that's important is they prioritized a certain sponsorship model where an individual here could sponsor someone from the old world, from Asia, from their homeland to come here.0.93
00:28:29.880So these Gujaratis, of course, who are they going to sponsor?0.55
00:28:33.200They're going to sponsor people within their old communities.0.70
00:28:35.400And so you can see how this pre-existing network, this pre-existing tribal instinct was kind of exacerbated by this model of chain migration and sponsorship so that every new individual could look back on and sponsor someone else to come who would bring his eight family members and so on.
00:28:56.380And that's why you have this very niche, you know, tribes within India. So like, if you look at the tech scene, you know, everyone knows that tech and consulting, especially in like Silicon Valley and Seattle, they're characterized by, you know, massive Indian networks as well, but they're not the Gujarati because they're playing their own game within their own tribes.0.88
00:29:16.040you know they tend to pick from you know a different you know more mostly like uh north
00:29:20.120um you know north central indians and they they pull from there or even like south indians but
00:29:25.720not that western gujarati faction that makes up the gas station in the hotel industry so you can
00:29:30.820kind of see how this the legal system is playing into or exacerbating this cultural soil that
00:29:37.820existed from the 40s and the 50s yeah norman borlov and his consequences have been a disaster
00:29:43.240for the united states um but that said um there there has been this real revolution in the form
00:29:51.560that you're discussing here because you think a small change like the quota system well it's
00:29:57.120actually not small at all but it's sold as a small change you think how much damage could it do
00:30:01.540but when you don't adjust for something like birthright citizenship you recognize that actually
00:30:07.920absolutely we have a situation where the american legal structure simply does not allow
00:30:13.100really for guest workers we don't have that concept in our legal framework we don't there
00:30:18.260are countries where you can live there for 30 years and never be a citizen but in the united
00:30:22.700states you know not to mention all the pathways to citizenship and everything else that simply
00:30:27.460being here probably guarantees you but the minute you have a child on the on the soil of the united
00:30:32.000states they're functionally an american and now you have a perfect way to stay here uh indefinitely
00:30:37.600and yourself probably become an american and have you know bring as many people in as you want and
00:30:41.520they can all have children. And so there's this dynamic where there is no real legal way to simply
00:30:48.980have people come over here for six months or a year, do a job that needs to get done and send
00:30:52.720them home. Like we like that concept. That's what gets described to people as temporary visas or
00:30:58.620H-1Bs or these kinds of things. But in reality, these are all just past citizenship. At the end
00:31:05.200of the day, every one of them. And as you say, the way that it's structured encourages people
00:31:10.140to bring in people not just from their own ethnic group but specifically from their tribe from the
00:31:15.580region from their home city they're just transplanting entire villages and towns from0.79
00:31:21.320foreign countries into the united states and so again that serves their need of no assimilation
00:31:25.900because now you have your whole family you have your whole culture your whole town has just moved
00:31:30.600and you're just absorbing all the extra monetary benefits from being in the united states but have
00:31:35.920zero reason to ultimately blend to the culture or in any way become actually American. So this
00:31:42.260shift is critical. Now, you spoke about the small business loans and the other incentives
00:31:48.340financially. And this is what really, I think, infuriates people when they learn about it,
00:31:52.940because it turns out that actually Vivek Reswami and all of his co-ethnics don't actually get
00:31:58.260into the United States and dominate because they're just such hard workers. The truth is that
00:32:03.920there's a racial bias in which you tend to choose these minorities in things like hiring in college
00:32:11.940admissions all this stuff simply because of their race so they're already advantaged over the
00:32:17.680average white american but in addition there are special carve-outs special structural loans that
00:32:23.920only are available basically to people who aren't american and that's how many of them open up these
00:32:29.280businesses in the first place. Right. So that, that gets into the third prong. So I talked about
00:32:33.980the SBA and I talked about Hart Seller and the third prong is the civil rights act. So what the
00:32:38.700civil rights act did is it basically racialized the SBA, right? So that's very important because0.98
00:32:45.200the SBA before was not racialized. So what, what the solution was to, you know, perceived racial
00:32:52.020tensions in the, you know, 40s, 50s and 60s was basically brought about by this, this intention
00:32:59.700to, so, so one of the, one of the interesting phrases that comes when you look at the Johnson
00:33:06.500and the Nixon era is this idea of what they call black capitalism. So the idea was that all of
00:33:13.020these African-Americans were basically tending toward communism and they were, you know,0.90
00:33:19.780sympathetic with anti-capitalism, anti-Western sentiment. And so the idea was that if we could0.95
00:33:24.940give them institutional incentives and grants and other benefits, we could bring them into
00:33:32.600a capitalistic model and bring them into the liberal order, which would basically shore up
00:33:37.540American defense and bolster our ability to preserve our own society in the midst of this0.99
00:33:44.460confrontation with with eastern communism and so this black capitalism what it did through the0.91
00:33:50.400civil rights act was it um racialized what the sba was bringing forth in terms of the loans and0.83
00:33:57.620the business incentives and the grants and that entire program and it basically made it into an
00:34:03.440opportunity for ethnic minorities to take advantage of it to exploit it and to spend it on um their
00:34:09.700own preconceived ethnic instincts. So while it was couched in this need to resolve black and0.76
00:34:18.720white tensions, it actually didn't have such an explicit black expenditure. It was actually much
00:34:25.840more broad than that. It said any ethnic minority can take advantage of this. Whites can't. It was
00:34:32.540part of the actual structure of things. And so in terms of the gas station situation, all of these
00:34:39.340Gujaratis basically said, look, we are ethnic minorities, we can have access to these loans
00:34:44.680for the first time because of the Civil Rights Act. And because we can appeal to our need to
00:34:50.840have equal access and equal outcome and equal opportunity, all of these things, we can take
00:34:54.900advantage of these. So all of these ethnic carve outs that are that are kind of blossoming in the
00:34:59.60040s and 50s, you know, for Vietnamese and in the nail salon industry for Cambodians and with
00:35:04.480donuts, for Sikhs with trucking, really came to play with Gujarati Indians in gas stations and
00:35:10.940hotels. So they had new access to these mechanisms that were designed by the Johnson and Nixon
00:35:18.700administration to kind of bring Black Americans into the capitalistic network. And so what was0.92
00:35:24.980meant for, and I'm very critical of this, but what was meant for this idea of resolving Black and0.75
00:35:31.900white tensions wound up being a facilitating the ethnic bolstering of all classes of tribal
00:35:41.480Americans, except for white Americans or heritage Americans or European sourced Americans. And
00:35:46.900that's really, that's really when everything was lit. That's when the fuse became lit. And that's
00:35:51.460when everything exploded into this race-based funding situation that we can get into in a
00:35:57.500moment because, you know, after the 1960s, especially into the 80s and 90s with some
00:36:02.260financial reform, the amount of capital allocated to these programs exploded. And all of these
00:36:08.920ethnic minorities, all of these tribal associations had access for the first time to these carve-outs0.99
00:36:14.340and they were exploiting them because that's what it was built for. It was built for ethnic0.98
00:36:19.940minorities to basically bolster themselves and come into the equation and build up their0.96
00:36:24.680financial and industrial empires at the expense of heritage American taxpayers.
00:36:32.840So the frustrating thing, again, is just how ubiquitous this is. It's baked into the system
00:36:38.900at every level. And Americans have been conditioned to say that this is just the way it is.
00:36:44.680Of course, minorities get these carve outs. They deserve them. They need them, whatever.1.00
00:36:50.100But we all kind of accept it. I know one company where they literally just put the female Latino wife of the owner as the owner of the business because they would then qualify for all of these female minority led business loans and privileges and everything.
00:37:08.980Right. So even even American businesses run mostly by Americans will, you know, put some random diversity trophy as their owner so that they can secure the scenario.0.97
00:37:20.920We're just we're just getting to the point where we can talk about this.
00:37:23.980The Trump administration is finally at some levels addressing this.
00:37:29.920They just address the looking at disparate impact when it comes to certain aspects of hiring these kind of things.
00:37:38.980So we are starting to see a shift, but that shift is still very slow.
00:37:43.720There's a lot of people who are still very scared of this.
00:37:46.620By the way, guys, if you want a great book to hand to people, I'm sure, you know, people who watch the show know Jeremy Carl, The Unprotected Class.
00:37:56.800that's a book that i know has been handed to a lot of senators and congressmen and staffers
00:38:01.060and just average businessmen to like introduce them to this issue of anti-white discrimination0.92
00:38:06.580without scaring them without you know hitting them over the head with like all kinds of crazy
00:38:10.920internet memes but actually just laying out uh you know the the the rational case for why it's
00:38:16.960not okay to discriminate against white people and showing how it is happening there is evidence this
00:38:21.900is not some kooky thing that your radical son found on the internet here is all the data here
00:38:27.000is the process here is how it all got laid out i think that's a very helpful thing that that is
00:38:31.960starting to percolate but again it's still very very touch and go for a lot of uh conservatives
00:38:37.260republicans especially boomers they don't want to believe that like there was some kind of mistake
00:38:41.560with the civil rights act they don't want to believe that all of the rhetoric they got about0.67
00:38:45.320colorblind meritocracy was like a bunch of garbage and actually all these ethnic interests have been0.95
00:38:50.400operating at their expense of the expense of their children for decades like they just don't0.99
00:38:54.380want to see the world that way and i can understand why right like that's not the vision that was sold
00:38:58.180to them they at some level gave up a decent amount to like pursue that vision and then ultimately
00:39:04.280are now seeing the consequences be anything but so there's two levels we have to address this on
00:39:09.480there's the macro right like there's the how are we going to address this in our system how you know
00:39:14.600do we get rid of the civil rights act do we amend it is that even politically feasible and then
00:39:18.580there's also the personal and I know you are kind of exploring your own personal business venture to
00:39:24.140try to address the gas station side of this. So let's start with the macro and then we'll work
00:39:28.060to the micro. What would be your suggestion for how this needs to be addressed? Well, like you
00:39:33.680said, I mean, the SBA gives out these, you know, they're called 7A loans and there's also the 504
00:39:38.740loans are associated with it. These are taxpayer backed loans that are guaranteed by the Small
00:39:43.960Business Administration. And it's interesting if you look at the data that gasoline stations and
00:39:51.500convenience stores, they've been receiving up to $135 million per year. So 20% of these SBA-backed
00:40:00.900loans, these are loans backed by the American taxpayer, are basically going to what is 3% of0.69
00:40:08.020the US population, these South Asians. The 20% of these loans, $135 million being allocated
00:40:13.500to gas stations. You look at these gas stations and they're gross. Everyone can picture a 1940s
00:40:19.760rural gas station. It's very quintessentially Americana, but that's not what we see everywhere
00:40:25.060we go. They're disgusting. They serve food. Who knows what gets into the food? They've got lotto0.99
00:40:30.560stickers everywhere. They're selling vapes. The person behind the counter is always scamming
00:40:35.180people. He doesn't speak English. I mean, these are very significant, culturally significant
00:40:41.740problems. And so cutting off these loan guarantees is actually going to be one of the mechanisms that
00:40:49.820can be used. And so they've kind of shut that down in terms of foreign access. Foreign individuals
00:40:57.000cannot access these loans with the same leeway that they used to be able to. But that also0.99
00:41:02.500creates a problem because we have birthright citizenship, because we've had all sorts of
00:41:06.600amnesty programs. There's actually a lot of people that still participate in these systems that are
00:41:11.360still completely eligible for these programs. So it doesn't actually stop the problem. It only
00:41:18.700slows it down. But we need to seriously look into capital formation in America and government's role
00:41:23.840in allocating that across racial lines. And the Trump administration has been doing a good job
00:41:28.520with it, but I think we need to double down on it. There's still a lot of the affirmative action,0.97
00:41:34.240a lot of the race-based lending, it's still there. It's still on the books. It's still being
00:41:37.660allocated accordingly. And these are government backed loans. You know, 20% of them going to
00:41:42.740these ethnic enclaves is a serious amount of taxpayer backed capital. So that's, that's one0.98
00:41:47.980of the first things we can do. But we need to create this culture, not only of stopping, I mean,
00:41:52.720we talk all the time about illegal immigration, that's great. But there's a few representatives0.80
00:41:56.640and senators that are now realizing that we actually have a legal immigration problem,0.99
00:42:00.520because a lot of this stuff that what we see the degradation of American institutions like the gas0.95
00:42:06.240are still being dominated by legal immigrants and people who have, you know, complete permission0.98
00:42:12.600to be here, but they're still undermining the cultural fabric of America. And so we need to1.00
00:42:17.700have a serious conversation about what it looks like to reverse the impact of this three-pronged
00:42:23.440revolution. And, you know, scaling back some of the most egregious aspects of the Civil Rights Act,
00:42:30.000you know, pursuing a more patriotic immigration system, which I know, you know, representatives
00:42:34.340like Andy Ogles are focused on in Repealing Heart Cellar, but we need to look at things at a much
00:42:39.320more systematic level and not go to the low-hanging fruit of legal versus illegal. The gas station
00:42:44.720problem in America, the gas station question is a problem of legal immigration, and stopping that
00:42:50.900is only the first step. What are we going to do to reinstate or renew the American ethos when it
00:42:57.020comes to things like gas stations? And I think there are some ideas on public policy, but that's
00:43:02.200work, I've been focusing my effort just as an individual, just with a network of people that
00:43:07.100are here on the ground in Middle Tennessee. What can I do as an individual? I mean, there's a lot
00:43:11.720of things that Trump can do, but what can we do in the meantime to kind of shore that up and
00:43:16.080recreate a culture that basically challenges this narrative of individualism and allows us to work
00:43:23.400together as heritage Americans for the future of this country and our posterity. So that's what
00:43:30.140we could probably get into next. Yeah, absolutely. I think that the focus on the legal structure is
00:43:37.100critical. As you say, I'm glad that the Trump administration has started this ball rolling,
00:43:41.360though there's much, much more work to be done. And the good news is I think that the shift from
00:43:45.820the discussion being about illegal immigration to legal immigration has been pretty quick.
00:43:50.580I was speaking with Peter Brimelow recently, and he said, yeah, it's just the incredible leap
00:43:58.420that we went from you know just basically illegally uh immigration is fine for you know 30 40 years
00:44:04.580and now we've not just said illegal immigration is bad but we're seriously addressing legal
00:44:10.440immigration in the overton window like that is that is a radical shift for guys who have been
00:44:15.320in this game for a long time so we should stop and appreciate that even though it's not where
00:44:19.540it needs to be and it's not where we want to go i think that we do see those positive steps but as
00:44:24.000you say government can't do it all and they certainly aren't going to get it all done anytime
00:44:27.700soon uh so in the meantime oh sure yeah let me add one other element to that that nobody so like
00:44:33.240they have access to all these you know loan programs and all that stuff the other thing
00:44:37.140that people don't talk about is these you know very obviously discriminatory on behalf of ethnic
00:44:43.320minorities ngos which are also providing funds for these and they're obviously breaching civil
00:44:48.680rights law by preferring um you know ethnic communities in their investment programs and so
00:44:54.800You also I think the Trump administration and future administration should spend more time looking at NGOs and how they're circumventing traditional loan programs to provide billions of dollars of capital along racial lines.
00:45:07.740And so I would call upon people who have access to Washington and even at the state level to really think about what does it mean that an NGO can circumvent a lot of these laws and basically fund these racially motivated investment programs as well.
00:45:27.940Because that's where a lot of the sources is coming to, is they percolate out into these networks of private investment.
00:45:33.680And that's something that white Americans don't have access to either.
00:45:36.100Yeah, and this is why it's so important for people to grasp the difference between de facto and de jure in law. Because yes, in theory, the Civil Rights Act does protect you, a white American, but in the actual fact of the matter, de facto, the law has not operated that way in decades.
00:45:54.340And so if the law was just being enforced as written, if the law was the law written, then we wouldn't have this problem, but it's not even close. And so one of the problems the Trump administration is running into is simply not having the manpower to chase down every instance of this de facto de jure divide.
00:46:12.500so yeah you you could write new laws but in many cases you just need to enforce laws on the books
00:46:18.220but because there's been decades and decades of this slack allowance you know it's like if you've
00:46:23.500uh you know had a kid that's been spoiled since they were three years old and they you know got
00:46:28.420locked up in prison and now you need to scare them straight at 15 like yeah you know you you can fix
00:46:33.640this problem but it's going to take way way more effort because you've let this bad behavior go on
00:46:38.140for years and they just assume that's how the system works and trying to condition everybody
00:46:42.780to go back to the wall the way the law is written rather than the way it's de facto been carried out
00:46:47.800is as monumental a task as passing a new law that would you know be stricter anyway so that's just
00:46:53.380the dynamic people need to understand i'm not excusing that we're not getting more action or
00:46:58.440whatever necessarily but i'm just saying recognize that you know whatever amount of firepower army
00:47:04.540has in the civil rights division well she's only got like half the lawyers actually working for
00:47:09.820anyway most of them are in revolt uh but even the ones that are working for her like they're just
00:47:14.120wildly understaffed trying to recondition a civil rights regime that is entirely twisted what the
00:47:19.920law is supposed to say into the way it operates now and this of course you know includes the0.91
00:47:24.220ngos as well uh but as we were saying um that's the legal side now the personal side what can we
00:47:30.360do. Why don't you explain your idea of the Rockwell gas station and why this would be
00:47:35.680a valuable local project to reinvigorate quality in your area?
00:47:41.660Yeah, well, I mean, everyone who spends a lot of time online and even offline understands that we1.00
00:47:47.000all know that the gas station industry has been captured by foreigners. I mean, everybody accepts1.00
00:47:52.600that by now. You go into these podunk rural areas, you walk into the gas station, and what do you
00:47:57.860know it's another non-american so what is what can we actually do um you can't do a lot you know0.98
00:48:03.600but what i think you can do is i think you can restate and recreate an ethos that praises and
00:48:09.940celebrates an american-owned gas station and so it kind of started as i don't want to see a meme
00:48:15.360that kind of undermines the significance of what we're doing but it really started as this idea
00:48:20.120you know like hear me out a gas station but american-owned and as people begin to be like
00:48:25.820yes, we need it. Let's do it. Um, I, you know, was in the meantime moving to middle Tennessee
00:48:31.000and there's all of these, you know, there's, there's this entire community that's, that's
00:48:36.100being built up here. And I was amazed by the opportunity here in terms of creating something
00:48:42.800that's our own, that we can benefit from. And so I decided to kind of give it a chance and said,
00:48:47.240what if we did this seriously? I have another friend named Ryan that moved into the area and
00:48:52.100said what if we actually tried to do it here and you know so we planned on it for six months we
00:48:57.060looked at it we you know we ran the numbers what would it take and we realized that we wanted to
00:49:01.860create this initiative that was basically buying and restoring an old historically significant
00:49:08.180building and putting in american-owned gas station with uh you know two pumps four nozzles maybe a
00:49:14.340diesel bay but it also had a diner component to it you know there's an old american roadside diner
00:49:20.100feel that needs to be brought back into the equation too because a lot of these stops uh
00:49:24.580from the 40s to the 70s were very much community oriented places that people could gather connect
00:49:29.940fill up their tank and grab a burger and milkshake i mean we can all picture it but what if we did it
00:49:34.020today and we wanted to you know align that together with an old mercantile a country store
00:49:39.620and you know we we went with the name rockwell's like norman rockwell you know that's quintessentially
00:49:44.020american and we're like we're gonna do this right here started telling about it people about it we
00:49:47.940filed um the the legal entity we said okay let's what's gonna cost it's gonna cost you know 1.2 to
00:49:54.7201.5 million dollars okay let's raise it we started telling people about it and people are like yeah
00:49:59.500we're in let's go how can i how can i help how can i do this can i invest and we're like holy smokes
00:50:03.520it's it's real it's happening people want this there's an actual cultural demand for an american
00:50:08.620owned gas station and um we all feel it and people are like i will i will drive out of my way i will
00:50:15.540I will spend an entire tank of gas to come and fill my gas tank at Rockwell's.
00:50:20.380And we realized that it was actually bigger than we initially thought and it needed to
00:50:55.360We're actually going to make the raise live next week.
00:50:58.260And that's at rockwellsgas.com, which is just a basic placeholder website.
00:51:02.540But if you go to rockwellsgas.com slash investors, you can get on the interest list.
00:51:06.720And it's like, okay, $1.2 million is much more money than I have.1.00
00:51:11.260But if all of these Gujarati Indians can kind of pull their money together and be scrappy about funding their places, then why can't we think in terms of what we want as heritage Americans and recreate the world that was lost to us?1.00
00:51:26.300Now, it's not going to be a full reinstatement of the 1950s tomorrow, but if we can show people that it can be done, if we can show people that we are motivated to do it, and if the capital is there, we're going to do it, and we are doing it.
00:51:39.340And so, you know, I would encourage people to reach out, you know, we're on X and, you know, people know me from X, but, you know, Rockwells is also on X and we want to create in our own small way, this, you know, movements a little bit of a, you know, tacky word, but to create this movement of America is a good place and America deserves to be restored.
00:51:59.180You know, that's the word that I would use here is restored.
00:52:01.660We're not creating the future, but we are bolstering down what was ours and what was
00:52:05.940lost and what was, you know, sold away by all of these various interests, what was taken
00:52:10.000from us in various ways, that an American-owned gas station and diner and mercantile is possible.
00:52:15.660It's advantageous for communities and it's what people need to see sort of as a beacon
00:52:20.260of light in their communities, that there is something good here worth preserving and
00:52:25.680And so I would encourage everyone, you know, please participate.
00:52:28.280You know, I didn't bring my mug, but I have a Rockwell's Diner mug, and it's just a symbol of something that we can retake.
00:52:36.320And that's what we're doing. So it's going to start here in Middle Tennessee.
00:52:39.780Most, you know, some of your listeners may be aware of the Ridge Runner Initiative out here in regional Tennessee and what we're doing to kind of reinvigorate the area.
00:52:48.840But a gas station is part of that. I mean, there's this completely empty stretch of road that goes from one town to the next, and there's no gas station there.
00:52:56.500And Rockwell's is going to place a flag there, make that our headquarters, our first location and expand out from there into North Carolina, South Carolina, et cetera.
00:53:05.880But we really are looking at the next 10 years and we're saying, you know, what can we do to kind of do our own thing, take our own stand and recreate the classic Americana roadside gas station and diner?
00:53:24.200We should encourage them and work politically to make them happen. But in the day to day in your community, how do you make a difference? How do you bring that vision that you'd like to see into reality? Not entirely dependent on sitting around and waiting for Republicans to get off their butt. I think that that's really important. So I'm glad to see you address this. And again, people might say gas station. It's such a small thing, but I don't think it is.
00:53:45.960I think that over time we have allowed so much of what is good about America to be eroded for this like cheap veneer, you know, just because we can do a little bit cheaper if we just hand it over to someone else, if we bring some people in for and people have become so used to this like minimum viable way of life that they forget what it means to have a place to gather a place that is putting out a quality product that's clean, you know, that's welcoming.
00:54:12.360You know, people are speaking English. They're here legally. You know, they're they're they're living in the way that Americans should live. I think just being surrounded that day to day when you stop for your cup of coffee before when you fill up your gas tank, those things, I think it makes a difference.
00:54:27.440And I think people should recognize that it's not always about just immediately getting the best return on your investment for something cheap.
00:54:35.060Because actually, at this point, people are willing to pay for that quality because they recognize that the experience and living in that way is just worth more.
00:54:43.740It's worth putting your time and effort into it.
00:54:46.380So, CJ, if people want to follow your work, they maybe want to contribute, pick up a mug or whatever, where should they be looking?
00:54:52.600well x is a good place to you know see the daily content rockwell's so at rockwell's merc m-e-r-c
00:55:00.460rockwell's merc um rockwellsgas.com is is the site and then you know you can follow me on x
00:55:05.780at contra mordor but i would just say too about the um you know the cultural things
00:55:10.820i think cultural is is built on the subtleties of life it's it's not just in what happens in
00:55:17.560washington you know it's not just the big exciting legal changes it's not just owning the libs
00:55:21.480it's actually in where you take your children and the things that your children absorb on a day-to-day
00:55:25.700basis. And when they go to these gas stations, which are a staple of American life, and they
00:55:31.120feel like they're in a foreign world, that actually is a cultural statement. And so gas stations are
00:55:36.380extremely important. The diners are extremely important. Those are the subtleties of cultural
00:55:43.260renewal that need to be brought back. And so you can't overlook the logistics. You can't overlook
00:55:47.760the infrastructure these are the things that kind of rub off we absorb them like sponges our
00:55:52.500children are sponges and if you want them to be american and not post-american you need to give
00:55:58.020them american things to absorb absolutely all right we got a few questions from the audience
00:56:03.900let's take a look here real quick uh cherry coke nixon says we have ubi for everyone but heritage
00:56:10.220americans yeah i mean that's functionally correct uh at every level uh the whole ubi debate is just
00:56:17.720whether or not we expand the programs we have for every other uh ethnicity in the united states to
00:56:22.840uh white americans uh nixon also says indian american friend of mine told me about his peer
00:56:30.760who scammed a government program for a minority grant and used the string-free cash on a car i
00:56:37.480mean yeah again classic i mean we all remember the the yeah yeah we all remember the covid loans
00:56:43.500Right. Like and all of a sudden all the Dodge Chargers were sold out, you know, so did they all launch a new business or did everybody, you know, who's a minority business owner suddenly get a new car?
00:56:54.360I'll let you decide. Nixon also says the motel cartel also involves human trafficking.
00:57:02.260They host victims and participate in abuse as payment. Our own British style scandal is brewing.
00:57:07.940i don't have details on that but i would in no way be surprised when you have a business model
00:57:14.840as cj laid out which is inherently built on bringing illegals in or you know dealing under
00:57:20.760the table you're also going to create all of these other uh sub crimes that are allowed to exist in
00:57:25.900these black or gray spaces where you know enforcement authorities like police are told
00:57:31.020not to look because they don't want to discover the illegals there specifically that's a very
00:57:35.500common thing. Don't go into this neighborhood. Don't go, don't crack down on this business,0.99
00:57:39.660because if we do, we'll have to deal with the fact that it's full of illegals. Someone's going1.00
00:57:43.360to call us a racist. That's a very common thing. And that's what often facilitates the type of
00:57:47.900activity you're discussing there. Florida Henry says, I'm watching the oil fields being taken
00:57:53.900over by foreigners to keep wages down. Corporations are the problem. They should, they should hire,1.00
00:57:59.040they would hire ISIS if they could yeah I mean it's obviously true that many corporations today
00:58:05.940are entirely incentivized to bring in cheap labor and pretend like it's something else
00:58:09.360we all know it's happening it's happening in every industry and sadly as you say from the
00:58:14.320oil fields to trucking it's often eating up these blue collar industries that were kind of the last
00:58:19.600bastion of non-college attending white men and so you start wondering why these guys are losing hope
00:58:25.260why they can't find a job why they feel like they're in a dead end well because literally
00:58:29.460corporations have simply replaced all of the jobs they used to be able to access and still
00:58:33.400have a family you know buy a home these kind of things jacob zendel says i know orin wants to
00:58:40.120abolish the civil rights act because it only goes one way but if red caesar did win couldn't we just
00:58:45.160win uh keep it around for 10 years or so to break these cartels up well that's the point if you have
00:58:50.160red caesar you don't need the civil rights act because you have caesar right the whole point of
00:58:54.820caesar is he breaks the system he cuts through the gordian knot you doesn't have to deal with
00:59:00.000the minutiae and the bureaucracy and everything so i hear you and i've had this argument made to
00:59:04.120me guys like chris ruffo who you know do a lot of great work have made this case like let's hold on
00:59:08.720to the civil rights act uh but you know cj i asked this question to paul godfrey to one of your
00:59:13.280mentors and i'll ask it to you uh what do you feel about this you know paul said no i mean just
00:59:17.300the fact that this uh kind of government you know soviet style program that interferes in the
00:59:22.900private lives of people is itself enough of a reason to get rid of it but what do you think
00:59:27.000about the idea of keeping the civil rights act around in order to help a white americans
00:59:31.640i you know i'm one of those both and guys and i know that sounds like a cop out but like i'm one
00:59:38.180of those guys that you know political tools are always in your tool chest and if it's there we
00:59:42.860use it and if the if the situation presents itself where we can overcome it then let's do that you
00:59:48.820know as well or instead um so i'm very much a both and guy um i think that it should be used
00:59:55.500and and that's why you know that the stakes of politics become heightened as we get closer and
00:59:59.740closer to the culmination of of the end of this of this system so i'm very much a leverage it for
01:00:05.580our own good and for our own people people but if if the time comes when it needs to be done away
01:00:10.220with uh and the political conditions are right and the incentives are right and that we have
01:00:14.560you know the political capital to do so uh then transcending these managerial outdated managerial
01:00:20.780bureaucracies is also you know a completely legitimately way free way yeah yeah i mean you
01:00:25.660win by winning right so it makes perfect sense to to to take the tools you have and use them
01:00:31.140as long as the civil rights act is going to be on the books and it probably will be realistically
01:00:35.180unfortunately for decades to come then you should use it to your advantage if possible it's not like
01:00:40.880i'm too holy to use it you know i'm a libertarian i don't use power it's not that mentality it's
01:00:46.100more the what is the best tactical goal and i think the best tactical goal is to uh or i should
01:00:52.980say the best strategic goal is to remove the civil rights act tactically we might need to use it up
01:00:59.360to the point where it can be removed but the overall strategy is its final removal
01:01:03.560jj smith just donating five dollars thank you very much sure very much appreciate you supporting the
01:01:10.480show and uh johan richardson says i'd like to see an experiment recreating the scene from grapes of
01:01:16.740wrath where the okie migrants try to buy the day-old bread as a test of charity gotta pull
01:01:23.260those deep literary references for us there all right guys we're gonna go ahead and wrap this one
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