The Auron MacIntyre Show - How Ethnic Cartels Took Over Gas Stations ｜ Guest： C. Jay Engel ｜ 6⧸26⧸26

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00:00:34.840 blaze tv today all right guys i'm sure we have all noticed this we walk into an area and all the gas

00:00:43.300 stations all the hotels all the liquor stores all of some business is entirely owned by people of

00:00:50.080 well frankly the same ethnic background and it's not the way that it used to be it's not because

00:00:54.800 you had hundreds of years of people doing the same job in the same town and that's why you know

00:01:00.200 this one family controls all of the woodworking or something it's a bunch of people who've only

00:01:04.840 been here for 20 or 30 years and for some reason everybody from their same hometown back in whatever

00:01:10.840 country they came from suddenly owns a hotel or a gas station here in the united states what's going

00:01:16.620 on is that just some kind of coincidence is it collusion are these people even getting funds

00:01:21.720 from the government in order to make it happen. Joining me today to talk about this is a businessman

00:01:26.660 and writer, CJ Ingalls. Thank you so much for coming on, man. Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:01:32.760 Of course. Well, I mean, I think a lot of people probably have some rough outline of how this gets

00:01:38.960 put together, but they may not understand all the mechanisms that we are observing when we see

00:01:44.160 kind of these takeovers of tight ethnic cartels in these different businesses. Again, gas stations,

00:01:50.740 liquor stores uh motels yeah there's a famous book about the patel motel cartel right and then

00:01:57.940 of course uh when you look at uh for instance trucking in the united states all of a sudden

00:02:02.420 seeks are starting to dominate trucking they're pushing everyone out all these illegal seeks

00:02:07.100 are cut are suddenly being caught like killing people in these truck driving accidents because

00:02:11.700 they're not trained but they're being forced in if you look at an it uh you know uh operation in

00:02:17.520 many tech sectors. It's completely dominated by these foreign diasporas. So I guess let's start 0.74

00:02:23.580 at the beginning. We all understand this generational acquisition of kind of having

00:02:29.020 a business over time. But how do we have this explosion of people whose families have only been

00:02:33.840 here for a few decades suddenly owning like every business in an area? Right. It's the phrase that

00:02:40.980 I've kind of picked up on doing some research is a great article about this on Aporia. I think

00:02:47.180 that's how you pronounce it magazine and it describes this phenomenon of what he calls

00:02:51.700 non-linear ethnic niches so there's all these niches in america you mentioned a few of them

00:02:56.480 a couple other examples would be vietnamese dominated nail salons um cambodian dominated

00:03:03.060 donut shops and you can see it in the trucking industry with the seeks as you mentioned the one

00:03:07.460 that i'm primarily focused on um for reasons we'll get to at the end are gas stations and hotels

00:03:12.740 And so this nonlinear ethnic niche means that basically a certain niche, a certain industry is saturated or consumed by a specific ethnic group.

00:03:23.180 And they're nonlinear, which means that it's not a phenomenon based solely on fathers building up a business and handing it on to their sons who pass it on to their sons and so on.

00:03:32.420 But really, it's this ethnic enclave of tribalism that basically colonial colonializes.

00:03:39.240 And we'll get to that in a minute. But they colonialize a specific niche.

00:03:43.040 So it's a nonlinear ethnic niche. And that actually came from an article in The New York Times back in the 90s, that phrase.

00:03:50.680 So it's not something that we've only noticed post-Obama, but it's actually something that's been there for some time based on immigration reforms that have been going back, you know, half a century, you know, really since Hart Seller.

00:04:01.360 We can talk about the details of that, but it's a really obvious phenomenon and we notice

00:04:06.500 it everywhere.

00:04:07.120 I mean, when you think of the American gas station, you think of something that's quintessentially

00:04:11.340 American.

00:04:12.300 You know, that's, I grew up in Northern California in race car culture.

00:04:16.420 And so the gas station is something that really celebrated, you know, Ford and Chevy and all

00:04:21.420 of these American, you know, mobilizing phenomena in the mid 20th century.

00:04:26.240 But somehow over the last few decades, and it's getting worse, everybody's noticed.

00:04:30.920 that these gas stations are completely occupied by people who have no connection with the historic

00:04:36.840 American car and rural roadside culture. So it is something worth talking about. And we need to

00:04:42.160 address it. I mean, people notice it. It's kind of something that's whispered about family members,

00:04:46.940 maybe talk about it, but I think it's really worth making it into a national issue. And that's part

00:04:51.940 of what I want to do. Yeah, I think this is huge on so many levels. So first, as you're saying,

00:04:56.960 there's like this aesthetic quality to this third world takeover of places like gas stations they 0.79

00:05:02.740 don't seem like the most important thing it's not this library it's not some monument you know it's

00:05:08.160 not this grand cultural thing but it is something we interact with day to day and that used to have

00:05:14.000 a culture that we as americans recognize reflected back to us in something as simple as a gas station

00:05:20.140 now when you walk in every one of these places is full of like you know drug paraphernalia you know 1.00

00:05:26.060 random tchotchkes from different cultures, a collection of, you know, foreign calling cards 0.98

00:05:32.200 to reach Brazil or, you know, wherever all these different people are from. It doesn't look 0.93

00:05:37.760 American. It looks like a way station for the third world that's been dropped in the middle 1.00

00:05:42.100 of your community. And of course, this goes well beyond just the gas station, but we can see also 0.99

00:05:47.420 the opportunities that are denied, right? Like these used to be small family businesses for

00:05:52.980 Americans, that Americans would hope to start one day, as you say, would pass down from father to

00:05:58.480 son. This gas station has been in my family for generations. This is what we do. We run this

00:06:03.600 business. There was a heart and soul built into this. This is also how teenagers had summer jobs,

00:06:09.060 how young people who weren't necessarily going to go to college could find a way forward by that

00:06:14.200 family heritage that passed this down. And instead, we have this colonization from these different

00:06:20.500 you know third world countries that come in they completely control the area and then all of a

00:06:25.440 sudden that opportunity is gone but what we hear a lot of times from people is like vivek ramaswamy 1.00

00:06:32.480 like this is why he his crash out was so epic was oh well it's because those third worlders are 0.92

00:06:37.880 working harder it's the indians the sikhs it's the you know the vietnamese or whoever they have

00:06:43.880 hard-working hustle immigrant culture and you guys are just lazy americans watching saved by

00:06:49.660 the bell and that's why you don't have this now we know there's a history of certain ethnicities 1.00

00:06:56.100 moving in and filling different niches as you say you know we can look at let's see like the

00:07:01.740 rooftop koreans right in the la riots why are they on the rooftops well they're defending their 0.92

00:07:06.400 stores because they own all the stores in the black neighborhoods right like that's why there's

00:07:11.720 that tension between koreans and african-americans because there is that ownership disparity uh that 0.54

00:07:18.760 We could also, you know, think of, you know, Jewish landlords in black neighborhoods.

00:07:22.840 There have been riots over that as well when they see the tensions of those communities.

00:07:25.840 So there's nothing necessarily new about the idea that different groups might move in and control a certain industry in an area.

00:07:34.600 But what we're seeing is an explosion that has just never been witnessed and not just in these very specific urban zones, but all across the country. 0.66

00:07:44.140 So how do we get the shift of like, OK, well, we do know that a lot of Koreans own grocery stores in this area to actually Indians own every gas station or every liquor store or every motel for the next five states. 0.88

00:07:59.900 Like what were there some kind of incentive program built in that allowed them to gain this foothold? 0.66

00:08:06.460 So I actually think that it's worth going back to the history a little bit deeper before the shift because people need to understand why it happened because it allows us to compare some of the myths about America that we tell ourselves like individualism and colorblindness and some of this anti-tribalism that is kind of percolated into the liberal frame of mind.

00:08:26.680 So I actually think it is worth going back. The way that I started thinking about this was basically a story from the 1940s.

00:08:34.620 And this is actually, you might find this interesting, but the story kind of starts in 1942 in California.

00:08:41.600 So what happened in 1942 was the Japanese internment program that FDR initiated as part of World War II.

00:08:49.080 And so what happened in California, and you have to remember that in the 1940s, we were still in the old 1920s immigration paradigm.

00:08:56.360 So back then there was a quota system and it heavily favored European immigrants because they were seen as more symbiotic with the American way of life.

00:09:07.620 And so, you know, back in 1917, I think it was 1917, there was basically an act that said that Asians were not allowed to immigrate here at all.

00:09:16.180 So being an Indian in California was extremely rare.

00:09:19.320 The only way you could get in is almost by accident.

00:09:21.120 You could get in illegally, but there were some tiny loopholes, but basically there was, you know, a few thousand at most in the 1940s.

00:09:30.020 But what happened is it's really interesting.

00:09:32.480 So when there was this Japanese internment, all of these Japanese owned businesses, their owners had to leave almost overnight.

00:09:40.000 There was this little hotel in the Sacramento area.

00:09:43.280 It's currently on the spot where the Golden One Center is, which was where the Sacramento Kings play today.

00:09:49.400 But this hotel Ford was owned by this Japanese lady, and she basically hosted a lot of these seasonal migrants. The agriculture in California has long been staffed with migrants. There was this one Indian individual who basically hung around. He was a constant customer of the hotel, and she basically asked him, it was easier to ask him because she didn't know whether she'd be back or not, if he could sort of oversee and manage the hotel while she was gone. 0.56

00:10:19.400 So he stepped in. This was 1942. And he realized that there was this great opportunity for all of these hotels and gas stations weren't really on the radar yet.

00:10:30.460 But these hotels that basically he could capture because the Japanese owned opportunities were basically opening up and no one else really saw this. 0.66

00:10:41.440 So he basically captured this. Now, he was someone who didn't speak English very well. 0.52

00:10:45.560 He probably had like a bit of a nebulous legal standing.

00:10:49.440 No one's really sure whether he was legal.

00:10:51.420 So he could operate this hotel.

00:10:53.220 And the way to do that, instead of going through the formalities of hiring employees, was basically just to hire his co-ethnics and operate this hotel. 0.81

00:11:01.160 And a lot of the customers that were served with this hotel were other migrants. 0.67

00:11:05.380 And so he realized that there's this industry that could be created by basically taking advantage, exploiting this situation where a lot of these Indians, they couldn't get formal employment. 0.80

00:11:18.020 And a lot of the customers, they were more comfortable at a sort of informal, under the table type model of living in the hotel and stuff.

00:11:26.740 So he kind of kept that going and he expanded into the San Francisco area.

00:11:30.540 Now, when you're in a situation like that, you're incentivized to basically hire within your group. He didn't want to bring in institutional capital because at that time it was all basically not set up in a way that he would benefit from.

00:11:48.800 So you have this expanding situation from Sacramento to San Francisco to the Central Valley to Los Angeles, all throughout California, and it created this model, and they realized that there was this opportunity to expand.

00:12:03.880 That's how the hotel industry got started, and now it's something like 60% to 70% of small chain hotels are dominated by these, they're called Gujarati Indians from West India.

00:12:15.260 and that's going to become important later on because the dynamic of ethnic enclaves is going 0.93

00:12:21.020 to depend on you know chain migration bringing in other families and so you have to stick within

00:12:26.560 your tribe so the that's why it's not just a broad indian-owned gas station or broad indian-owned

00:12:32.480 hotel phenomena it's actually very much within the gujarati tribe and that's important because

00:12:37.880 of the dynamics of immigration post heart cellar so that's that's really the history of it and so

00:12:43.460 they created this entire industry of basically training up co-ethnics who could speak the same

00:12:48.700 language. They had the same habits. They had this in-group preference, these in-group trust complexes

00:12:54.080 that they could depend upon. It also made for very loyal employees because where else could

00:12:59.740 they go? Where else would they be hired except for within that industry, which was increasingly

00:13:05.380 dominated by this ethnic group? So it created this feedback mechanism. So this entire culture 0.83

00:13:10.560 was created that preceded what we really want to talk about, which is the shift that you alluded

00:13:16.160 to in things like the Small Business Administration, the Civil Rights Act, and the Heart Seller

00:13:21.660 Immigration Act. This culture was kind of fostered in the 40s and 50s before there was actually any

00:13:28.580 abandonment of the European quota system. So the actual roots of the phenomenon actually

00:13:35.460 are important and they go back to the 40s and 50s. So we see this opportunity opened up,

00:13:41.740 ironically, by one ethnicity kind of being removed from their ability to operate their businesses. 0.99

00:13:47.280 And as you say, there is this proto H1B culture that's built up because they can't really get 0.99

00:13:54.360 jobs anywhere else. They're usually illegal or they don't have the skills, the language skills, 1.00

00:14:00.160 the other thing, to kind of search elsewhere. They're going to be employees in this industry

00:14:05.240 that's kind of where the industry wants them because that means they're cheap it means they're

00:14:09.400 reliable means they can't go anywhere your focus on the tribal sourcing i think is also really

00:14:14.240 important if you paid attention to uh you know sarah gonzalez or tyler olivera or any of these

00:14:20.180 other people who are doing kind of exposés on this ethnic phenomenon of bringing everyone over

00:14:26.240 you'll notice that they all come from the same cities or the same tribes the same areas

00:14:30.760 because that is it's those family connections it's not about merit you're not getting the best

00:14:35.280 and the brightest you're not getting the top you know cream of the crop you're not getting

00:14:38.660 the the best iqs you're getting people who are related to each other and they're just bringing

00:14:42.860 their entire families over and they want people to be locked into this scenario they want to create

00:14:48.260 uh this you know environment where there's an understanding that we kind of do things off the

00:14:53.960 books we kind of you know don't worry too much about paperwork if you don't speak the language

00:14:58.160 Actually, maybe that's better because then we know you can't go work somewhere else. You're going to have to work in an establishment like ours that would put up with it.

00:15:06.280 So, yeah, very, very interesting to know that there is this entire culture, this entire system before we see any of the legal shifts, but that are ultimately going to kind of cement certain groups in these industries and build this kind of idea of these ethnic enclaves, these ethnic groups owning entire industries before we even move into the ability of the government to grant additional money, additional funding,

00:15:33.940 all the things that could ultimately incentivize an explosion of this behavior.

00:15:38.440 Yeah. Let me just say too, there's this myth of assimilation. One of the characteristics I

00:15:43.760 wanted to highlight about this is that the gas station and hotel and all these other industries 0.94

00:15:48.700 that we've mentioned, those ethnic niches are actually predicated on non-assimilation, 0.93

00:15:55.580 not assimilation, because they depend on people that don't speak the language,

00:16:01.360 that don't have the same habits, that don't have the same norms, that have this in-group

00:16:05.460 preference that depend on each other for survival, non-assimilation is actually better for the

00:16:10.660 model. And so we have this myth of assimilation where the entire 20th century is structured on

00:16:15.680 this paradigm of immigrants coming in, assimilating into the pro-capitalistic

00:16:20.940 culture of America. But actually, that's not the way this whole system developed. It actually was

00:16:26.360 predicated on non-assimilation and if assimilation was present the entire system wouldn't wouldn't

00:16:32.500 actually work and we wouldn't be seeing this so non-assimilation is a key part of the story here

00:16:36.500 that that's a really excellent point because yeah i think this is the thing that a lot of

00:16:42.840 conservatives buy into look we're free marketers we think anyone can be an american you should

00:16:47.600 come here and live the dream and so when someone's bringing someone here to do a job they're going to

00:16:53.000 climb the ladder. They're going to better themselves. And in a generation or two,

00:16:56.860 they're just going to be an American like anybody else. And the truth is, as you say,

00:17:02.520 you have to maintain that dependency. You know, this is a classic political formula of trapping

00:17:08.740 people into a dependency on your system in order to ensure that support. So if at any moment these

00:17:15.560 people do assimilate, if they do join the culture, if they do become contributing members of society

00:17:20.140 that speak the language and you know just go to baseball games and enjoy an apple pie and do

00:17:25.260 everything else that americans do well then their value to the system has completely vanished or

00:17:31.140 more importantly the value of the system to them has vanished because now they can go out and get

00:17:35.180 a job anywhere they can live anywhere they can survive in any given community but that is very

00:17:39.900 specifically not what the business business owners want that's not what the communities that bring

00:17:44.220 them in want so even if that was something that the people want which you know hit or miss depending

00:17:49.500 on the immigrant, they're actually directly incentivized to not integrate, to not achieve

00:17:54.240 that. Because once they do, then all of those advantages for the business fall away. 0.99

00:17:59.360 Yeah. Not only do they fall away from the business, but they fall away from where the

00:18:03.640 incentives are for consumer demand. Because what you can do if you avoid the system is you can

00:18:08.560 operate cheaply, right? You can bring the prices down below what a typical, within the legal system,

00:18:15.760 business can compete with. And so because of the way that they do payroll and because of the way

00:18:22.000 that they have associations with vendors and because of the product selection, you can actually

00:18:28.480 undercut established businesses in this way too. So you create this feedback mechanism where once

00:18:35.280 you've built an empire of underground gas station chains or hotel chains, you can never bring it

00:18:40.520 online. You can never compete on the, you know, up to par system. And so it actually creates a

00:18:47.860 barrier to entry to Heritage Americans, so they can't actually get in there unless you're a 0.60

00:18:53.980 metacorporation. So at the same time as this phenomenon of ethnic tribalism is going on, 0.98

00:19:00.360 there's this also this other track that we can get to where, you know, corporatism and

00:19:05.160 internationalism and globalism at an institutional level is actually is is also you know being built

00:19:11.280 up and whites are told that their whole culture is built on individualism and anti-tribalism

00:19:17.560 and they are constantly interfacing with the corporate with the corporate side and so you

00:19:23.060 have this culture being fostered on one hand where these ethnic groups are basically leaning on each 0.92

00:19:29.460 other and building up their own social capital within their within that complex whereas whites

00:19:34.980 are becoming continually deracinated. There's that phenomenon of bullying alone, where the

00:19:39.460 social capital is being liquidated and people are becoming disenfranchised from their own

00:19:45.160 communities. So these two tracks are happening. And it's going to culminate in a major culture

00:19:49.980 war that I think is part of the explanation for Donald Trump. But you see these heritage

00:19:55.680 Americans going along this one track with the corporate dominated. And there's a major story

00:20:00.780 to be told about the sellout of corporate America against heritage Americans on one side. And then

00:20:06.900 there's the ethnic groups that are chasing this in-group preference in this niche industry capture

00:20:12.280 on the other side. And it's going to, you know, it's going to culminate in a major series of

00:20:17.060 tensions, which I think we're at here now in the first quarter of the 21st century.

00:20:21.660 Oh, absolutely. I mean, we're watching this phenomenon unfold right now, right? Like after

00:20:25.780 the election in new york we have all these conservatives panicking because they recognize

00:20:30.800 how radical the democratic party has become and why well because now like these districts are 0.96

00:20:35.820 like 15 white and it's all these minorities and they're all acting in the ways that they're like 0.97

00:20:41.020 tribal homelands would encourage and so they get together and they explicitly you know go ahead and 0.97

00:20:46.880 uh campaign on you know their own uh benefits their own values their self-interest their tribal

00:20:53.140 interests i mean you have the mayor of uh you know uh minneapolis you know uh courting different

00:21:00.180 uh ethi or what is it um different gangs from somalia different tribes because like he's

00:21:06.200 playing one tribe off against each other to to make sure that he can maintain his mayorship like

00:21:11.300 that's the kind of political dynamics you get and all of a sudden there's this panic oh well 0.99

00:21:15.080 you know all these muslims are building their own cities in texas they're trying to pass sharia law 0.98

00:21:19.680 they're trying to create their own communities and it's like yeah what do you think was going

00:21:23.080 to happen guys like you have a bunch of people right yeah and not only that you have encouraged

00:21:28.180 uh white americans to not see themselves as being worthy of doing anything like that

00:21:32.680 and at the same time you have carved out this belief that these people should engage with it

00:21:37.940 and as you say it's not just that dynamic of tribalism it's also the expectation from

00:21:43.300 corporations and different things you know down here in florida obviously construction is a huge

00:21:47.520 deal and a lot of illegals out there in on construction sites and it's a well-known you

00:21:54.860 know secret to everybody not really a secret at all but you know something that is obviously 0.78

00:21:58.860 operating you have to have one what they call the white crew and they really do that even if it's 0.52

00:22:04.520 not a white people they just call it the white crew and the reason you have to have at least

00:22:07.800 one white crew is if you are going to do a job that is bonded that is like insured or is like

00:22:13.900 If you want to work for government contracts, you have to prove that everybody is actually

00:22:19.000 legitimate. 0.98

00:22:19.980 So what happens is these construction companies, they actually employ 90% illegals. 0.71

00:22:24.700 They send them out on all the jobs where there's not going to be that level of scrutiny. 0.96

00:22:28.740 And then they keep that one little token white crew to send out to do the job working on 0.69

00:22:33.140 the school or the post office or wherever it's actually going to be vetted. 0.60

00:22:37.100 And so you have this dynamic where the vast bulk of this inferior work is being churned

00:22:42.160 out in all these places.

00:22:43.900 by you know crews of illegals who are allowed to kind of cut corners ignore all of the regulations

00:22:49.280 that kind of thing and then you have this like 10 percent of the company that does actually run

00:22:54.460 above board and you know for for legal purposes does have an actual crew of people who can do the

00:23:00.180 job meet the code requirements meet their legal labor requirements and so there's this entire

00:23:05.860 like basically iceberg shadow economy where only 10 percent of construction is actually operating

00:23:11.620 in a legal manner and is actually complying. And then the rest of the industry is entirely buoyed

00:23:17.680 by this capture of illegals. Right, right, exactly. So that's all important backstory.

00:23:25.420 And I think it's important to emphasize the fact that that's basically the soil on which what I

00:23:30.080 call a three-pronged revolution kind of came in and lit the fuse. So these things were already

00:23:34.840 there. The gunpowder was already strewn about the floor. And now something lit the fuse to

00:23:41.300 actually explode that into what we see now. And so the three-pronged revolution that we should

00:23:46.460 probably talk about here for 20 minutes is starting with, in 1958, with the Small Business

00:23:53.440 Act, and it created the Small Business Administration. And there were some programs

00:23:58.140 within this that basically were eventually able to be leveraged and weaponized on behalf of these 0.98

00:24:06.720 ethnic minorities to kind of bring them online and allow them to conquer in a very legal way, 0.64

00:24:12.820 in a very politically relevant way, what was already going on under the surface. Because 0.98

00:24:16.980 remember, in the 40s and 50s, Indian immigration was basically illegal. It was unheard of. Now,

00:24:23.640 they had incentives to bring them in. So by the time you get to the 1960s with the immigration 0.99

00:24:28.200 reform, that gave a massive boon to this industry. But the first thing to understand is that the

00:24:33.260 Small Business Administration is going to be part of the equation here because people always talk

00:24:37.820 about the fact that somehow these ethnic groups get access to all of these loans backed by the

00:24:43.400 government, backed by the U.S. taxpayer, backed by the very people that the corporations and the

00:24:49.040 administrative state are kind of betraying. They're backed by these taxpayers. And so we're

00:24:55.300 shouldering the burden of what's going to become this financial warfare model. So that comes into

00:25:01.240 play in 1958 the small business administration is very important now at the beginning the small

00:25:06.040 business administration was relatively unbiased it was relatively colorblind it wasn't you know

00:25:13.960 intended to benefit ethnic minorities now that all changes with the with the civil rights act

00:25:20.600 which we'll get to in a minute and affirmative action and disparate impact and some of those

00:25:24.200 things so but the sba is very important uh part of the equation here so that was 1958 the second

00:25:29.160 thing was the heart cellar. So heart cellar, as everybody listening to this knows, basically did

00:25:36.800 with the quota system. It basically undermined the old American patriotic regime, which said that

00:25:45.020 immigration should be based on cultural symbiosis. If people from England or Germany or France or

00:25:53.160 any of these other Western European, Dutch, Ireland, any of these other places, they were

00:25:57.840 more culturally compatible with American history and heritage and norms than other places like

00:26:05.740 South Asia. And so it did away with all that. And so when that happened, there was none

00:26:11.920 of these roadblocks for Indian immigration were in existence anymore. And so now it started

00:26:19.680 to create the incentives for these Indians here in America, these Gujarati, to basically 0.69

00:26:26.220 leverage what we now call something akin to chain migration. So basically, if someone gets legal 0.98

00:26:32.780 status in the United States, they are allowed to bring their immediate family members. So if an

00:26:38.600 individual gets a green card to work here, he's allowed to bring his spouse, his father, his

00:26:44.200 children. So for every one Indian immigrant, you get six, seven, eight more of them. So you can

00:26:51.560 eight times the effect of each individual and so there there were of course general immigration caps

00:26:58.360 but the bringing in the family didn't count toward the cap so if if you wanted to bring in an

00:27:04.420 individual and he brought in seven more family members that only counted as one immigrant uh

00:27:10.040 under the under the heart cellar so that's a major change people didn't really appreciate how that

00:27:15.260 would explode because each of them you know suddenly you know you look at a family tree you

00:27:19.780 You know, you start with the great-great-great-grandfather and you see how many, only in a few generations, you can get a lot of people.

00:27:26.920 It's the same concept with Heart Cellar once that happened. 0.94

00:27:30.020 And, you know, of course, as everyone knows, in the 20th century especially, Indian population exploded.

00:27:37.420 And so their families are a lot bigger than Americans were from the 19th century to the 20th century.

00:27:42.920 And so we're talking families that are much bigger than American families.

00:27:46.140 And so the effect of that chain migration maybe wasn't seen in the early years.

00:27:52.860 And a lot of people kind of underplayed it.

00:27:54.420 There were a few like lonely voices in the wilderness that kind of looked at the logic

00:27:57.920 of this, but now we're seeing the consequences.

00:28:00.980 You're talking millions of people that were brought in on the backs of, you know, an eighth

00:28:08.220 of what currently exists just because of the model of bringing in family members.

00:28:12.260 Now, another aspect of the Heart Cellar that's important is they prioritized a certain sponsorship model where an individual here could sponsor someone from the old world, from Asia, from their homeland to come here. 0.93

00:28:29.880 So these Gujaratis, of course, who are they going to sponsor? 0.55

00:28:33.200 They're going to sponsor people within their old communities. 0.70

00:28:35.400 And so you can see how this pre-existing network, this pre-existing tribal instinct was kind of exacerbated by this model of chain migration and sponsorship so that every new individual could look back on and sponsor someone else to come who would bring his eight family members and so on.

00:28:56.380 And that's why you have this very niche, you know, tribes within India. So like, if you look at the tech scene, you know, everyone knows that tech and consulting, especially in like Silicon Valley and Seattle, they're characterized by, you know, massive Indian networks as well, but they're not the Gujarati because they're playing their own game within their own tribes. 0.88

00:29:16.040 you know they tend to pick from you know a different you know more mostly like uh north

00:29:20.120 um you know north central indians and they they pull from there or even like south indians but

00:29:25.720 not that western gujarati faction that makes up the gas station in the hotel industry so you can

00:29:30.820 kind of see how this the legal system is playing into or exacerbating this cultural soil that

00:29:37.820 existed from the 40s and the 50s yeah norman borlov and his consequences have been a disaster

00:29:43.240 for the united states um but that said um there there has been this real revolution in the form

00:29:51.560 that you're discussing here because you think a small change like the quota system well it's

00:29:57.120 actually not small at all but it's sold as a small change you think how much damage could it do

00:30:01.540 but when you don't adjust for something like birthright citizenship you recognize that actually

00:30:07.920 absolutely we have a situation where the american legal structure simply does not allow

00:30:13.100 really for guest workers we don't have that concept in our legal framework we don't there

00:30:18.260 are countries where you can live there for 30 years and never be a citizen but in the united

00:30:22.700 states you know not to mention all the pathways to citizenship and everything else that simply

00:30:27.460 being here probably guarantees you but the minute you have a child on the on the soil of the united

00:30:32.000 states they're functionally an american and now you have a perfect way to stay here uh indefinitely

00:30:37.600 and yourself probably become an american and have you know bring as many people in as you want and

00:30:41.520 they can all have children. And so there's this dynamic where there is no real legal way to simply

00:30:48.980 have people come over here for six months or a year, do a job that needs to get done and send

00:30:52.720 them home. Like we like that concept. That's what gets described to people as temporary visas or

00:30:58.620 H-1Bs or these kinds of things. But in reality, these are all just past citizenship. At the end

00:31:05.200 of the day, every one of them. And as you say, the way that it's structured encourages people

00:31:10.140 to bring in people not just from their own ethnic group but specifically from their tribe from the

00:31:15.580 region from their home city they're just transplanting entire villages and towns from 0.79

00:31:21.320 foreign countries into the united states and so again that serves their need of no assimilation

00:31:25.900 because now you have your whole family you have your whole culture your whole town has just moved

00:31:30.600 and you're just absorbing all the extra monetary benefits from being in the united states but have

00:31:35.920 zero reason to ultimately blend to the culture or in any way become actually American. So this

00:31:42.260 shift is critical. Now, you spoke about the small business loans and the other incentives

00:31:48.340 financially. And this is what really, I think, infuriates people when they learn about it,

00:31:52.940 because it turns out that actually Vivek Reswami and all of his co-ethnics don't actually get

00:31:58.260 into the United States and dominate because they're just such hard workers. The truth is that

00:32:03.920 there's a racial bias in which you tend to choose these minorities in things like hiring in college

00:32:11.940 admissions all this stuff simply because of their race so they're already advantaged over the

00:32:17.680 average white american but in addition there are special carve-outs special structural loans that

00:32:23.920 only are available basically to people who aren't american and that's how many of them open up these

00:32:29.280 businesses in the first place. Right. So that, that gets into the third prong. So I talked about

00:32:33.980 the SBA and I talked about Hart Seller and the third prong is the civil rights act. So what the

00:32:38.700 civil rights act did is it basically racialized the SBA, right? So that's very important because 0.98

00:32:45.200 the SBA before was not racialized. So what, what the solution was to, you know, perceived racial

00:32:52.020 tensions in the, you know, 40s, 50s and 60s was basically brought about by this, this intention

00:32:59.700 to, so, so one of the, one of the interesting phrases that comes when you look at the Johnson

00:33:06.500 and the Nixon era is this idea of what they call black capitalism. So the idea was that all of

00:33:13.020 these African-Americans were basically tending toward communism and they were, you know, 0.90

00:33:19.780 sympathetic with anti-capitalism, anti-Western sentiment. And so the idea was that if we could 0.95

00:33:24.940 give them institutional incentives and grants and other benefits, we could bring them into

00:33:32.600 a capitalistic model and bring them into the liberal order, which would basically shore up

00:33:37.540 American defense and bolster our ability to preserve our own society in the midst of this 0.99

00:33:44.460 confrontation with with eastern communism and so this black capitalism what it did through the 0.91

00:33:50.400 civil rights act was it um racialized what the sba was bringing forth in terms of the loans and 0.83

00:33:57.620 the business incentives and the grants and that entire program and it basically made it into an

00:34:03.440 opportunity for ethnic minorities to take advantage of it to exploit it and to spend it on um their

00:34:09.700 own preconceived ethnic instincts. So while it was couched in this need to resolve black and 0.76

00:34:18.720 white tensions, it actually didn't have such an explicit black expenditure. It was actually much

00:34:25.840 more broad than that. It said any ethnic minority can take advantage of this. Whites can't. It was

00:34:32.540 part of the actual structure of things. And so in terms of the gas station situation, all of these

00:34:39.340 Gujaratis basically said, look, we are ethnic minorities, we can have access to these loans

00:34:44.680 for the first time because of the Civil Rights Act. And because we can appeal to our need to

00:34:50.840 have equal access and equal outcome and equal opportunity, all of these things, we can take

00:34:54.900 advantage of these. So all of these ethnic carve outs that are that are kind of blossoming in the

00:34:59.600 40s and 50s, you know, for Vietnamese and in the nail salon industry for Cambodians and with

00:35:04.480 donuts, for Sikhs with trucking, really came to play with Gujarati Indians in gas stations and

00:35:10.940 hotels. So they had new access to these mechanisms that were designed by the Johnson and Nixon

00:35:18.700 administration to kind of bring Black Americans into the capitalistic network. And so what was 0.92

00:35:24.980 meant for, and I'm very critical of this, but what was meant for this idea of resolving Black and 0.75

00:35:31.900 white tensions wound up being a facilitating the ethnic bolstering of all classes of tribal

00:35:41.480 Americans, except for white Americans or heritage Americans or European sourced Americans. And

00:35:46.900 that's really, that's really when everything was lit. That's when the fuse became lit. And that's

00:35:51.460 when everything exploded into this race-based funding situation that we can get into in a

00:35:57.500 moment because, you know, after the 1960s, especially into the 80s and 90s with some

00:36:02.260 financial reform, the amount of capital allocated to these programs exploded. And all of these

00:36:08.920 ethnic minorities, all of these tribal associations had access for the first time to these carve-outs 0.99

00:36:14.340 and they were exploiting them because that's what it was built for. It was built for ethnic 0.98

00:36:19.940 minorities to basically bolster themselves and come into the equation and build up their 0.96

00:36:24.680 financial and industrial empires at the expense of heritage American taxpayers.

00:36:32.840 So the frustrating thing, again, is just how ubiquitous this is. It's baked into the system

00:36:38.900 at every level. And Americans have been conditioned to say that this is just the way it is.

00:36:44.680 Of course, minorities get these carve outs. They deserve them. They need them, whatever. 1.00

00:36:50.100 But we all kind of accept it. I know one company where they literally just put the female Latino wife of the owner as the owner of the business because they would then qualify for all of these female minority led business loans and privileges and everything.

00:37:08.980 Right. So even even American businesses run mostly by Americans will, you know, put some random diversity trophy as their owner so that they can secure the scenario. 0.97

00:37:20.920 We're just we're just getting to the point where we can talk about this.

00:37:23.980 The Trump administration is finally at some levels addressing this.

00:37:29.920 They just address the looking at disparate impact when it comes to certain aspects of hiring these kind of things.

00:37:38.980 So we are starting to see a shift, but that shift is still very slow.

00:37:43.720 There's a lot of people who are still very scared of this.

00:37:46.620 By the way, guys, if you want a great book to hand to people, I'm sure, you know, people who watch the show know Jeremy Carl, The Unprotected Class.

00:37:54.140 It's a really great way to you.

00:37:56.800 that's a book that i know has been handed to a lot of senators and congressmen and staffers

00:38:01.060 and just average businessmen to like introduce them to this issue of anti-white discrimination 0.92

00:38:06.580 without scaring them without you know hitting them over the head with like all kinds of crazy

00:38:10.920 internet memes but actually just laying out uh you know the the the rational case for why it's

00:38:16.960 not okay to discriminate against white people and showing how it is happening there is evidence this

00:38:21.900 is not some kooky thing that your radical son found on the internet here is all the data here

00:38:27.000 is the process here is how it all got laid out i think that's a very helpful thing that that is

00:38:31.960 starting to percolate but again it's still very very touch and go for a lot of uh conservatives

00:38:37.260 republicans especially boomers they don't want to believe that like there was some kind of mistake

00:38:41.560 with the civil rights act they don't want to believe that all of the rhetoric they got about 0.67

00:38:45.320 colorblind meritocracy was like a bunch of garbage and actually all these ethnic interests have been 0.95

00:38:50.400 operating at their expense of the expense of their children for decades like they just don't 0.99

00:38:54.380 want to see the world that way and i can understand why right like that's not the vision that was sold

00:38:58.180 to them they at some level gave up a decent amount to like pursue that vision and then ultimately

00:39:04.280 are now seeing the consequences be anything but so there's two levels we have to address this on

00:39:09.480 there's the macro right like there's the how are we going to address this in our system how you know

00:39:14.600 do we get rid of the civil rights act do we amend it is that even politically feasible and then

00:39:18.580 there's also the personal and I know you are kind of exploring your own personal business venture to

00:39:24.140 try to address the gas station side of this. So let's start with the macro and then we'll work

00:39:28.060 to the micro. What would be your suggestion for how this needs to be addressed? Well, like you

00:39:33.680 said, I mean, the SBA gives out these, you know, they're called 7A loans and there's also the 504

00:39:38.740 loans are associated with it. These are taxpayer backed loans that are guaranteed by the Small

00:39:43.960 Business Administration. And it's interesting if you look at the data that gasoline stations and

00:39:51.500 convenience stores, they've been receiving up to $135 million per year. So 20% of these SBA-backed

00:40:00.900 loans, these are loans backed by the American taxpayer, are basically going to what is 3% of 0.69

00:40:08.020 the US population, these South Asians. The 20% of these loans, $135 million being allocated

00:40:13.500 to gas stations. You look at these gas stations and they're gross. Everyone can picture a 1940s

00:40:19.760 rural gas station. It's very quintessentially Americana, but that's not what we see everywhere

00:40:25.060 we go. They're disgusting. They serve food. Who knows what gets into the food? They've got lotto 0.99

00:40:30.560 stickers everywhere. They're selling vapes. The person behind the counter is always scamming

00:40:35.180 people. He doesn't speak English. I mean, these are very significant, culturally significant

00:40:41.740 problems. And so cutting off these loan guarantees is actually going to be one of the mechanisms that

00:40:49.820 can be used. And so they've kind of shut that down in terms of foreign access. Foreign individuals

00:40:57.000 cannot access these loans with the same leeway that they used to be able to. But that also 0.99

00:41:02.500 creates a problem because we have birthright citizenship, because we've had all sorts of

00:41:06.600 amnesty programs. There's actually a lot of people that still participate in these systems that are

00:41:11.360 still completely eligible for these programs. So it doesn't actually stop the problem. It only

00:41:18.700 slows it down. But we need to seriously look into capital formation in America and government's role

00:41:23.840 in allocating that across racial lines. And the Trump administration has been doing a good job

00:41:28.520 with it, but I think we need to double down on it. There's still a lot of the affirmative action, 0.97

00:41:34.240 a lot of the race-based lending, it's still there. It's still on the books. It's still being

00:41:37.660 allocated accordingly. And these are government backed loans. You know, 20% of them going to

00:41:42.740 these ethnic enclaves is a serious amount of taxpayer backed capital. So that's, that's one 0.98

00:41:47.980 of the first things we can do. But we need to create this culture, not only of stopping, I mean,

00:41:52.720 we talk all the time about illegal immigration, that's great. But there's a few representatives 0.80

00:41:56.640 and senators that are now realizing that we actually have a legal immigration problem, 0.99

00:42:00.520 because a lot of this stuff that what we see the degradation of American institutions like the gas 0.95

00:42:06.240 are still being dominated by legal immigrants and people who have, you know, complete permission 0.98

00:42:12.600 to be here, but they're still undermining the cultural fabric of America. And so we need to 1.00

00:42:17.700 have a serious conversation about what it looks like to reverse the impact of this three-pronged

00:42:23.440 revolution. And, you know, scaling back some of the most egregious aspects of the Civil Rights Act,

00:42:30.000 you know, pursuing a more patriotic immigration system, which I know, you know, representatives

00:42:34.340 like Andy Ogles are focused on in Repealing Heart Cellar, but we need to look at things at a much

00:42:39.320 more systematic level and not go to the low-hanging fruit of legal versus illegal. The gas station

00:42:44.720 problem in America, the gas station question is a problem of legal immigration, and stopping that

00:42:50.900 is only the first step. What are we going to do to reinstate or renew the American ethos when it

00:42:57.020 comes to things like gas stations? And I think there are some ideas on public policy, but that's

00:43:02.200 work, I've been focusing my effort just as an individual, just with a network of people that

00:43:07.100 are here on the ground in Middle Tennessee. What can I do as an individual? I mean, there's a lot

00:43:11.720 of things that Trump can do, but what can we do in the meantime to kind of shore that up and

00:43:16.080 recreate a culture that basically challenges this narrative of individualism and allows us to work

00:43:23.400 together as heritage Americans for the future of this country and our posterity. So that's what

00:43:30.140 we could probably get into next. Yeah, absolutely. I think that the focus on the legal structure is

00:43:37.100 critical. As you say, I'm glad that the Trump administration has started this ball rolling,

00:43:41.360 though there's much, much more work to be done. And the good news is I think that the shift from

00:43:45.820 the discussion being about illegal immigration to legal immigration has been pretty quick.

00:43:50.580 I was speaking with Peter Brimelow recently, and he said, yeah, it's just the incredible leap

00:43:58.420 that we went from you know just basically illegally uh immigration is fine for you know 30 40 years

00:44:04.580 and now we've not just said illegal immigration is bad but we're seriously addressing legal

00:44:10.440 immigration in the overton window like that is that is a radical shift for guys who have been

00:44:15.320 in this game for a long time so we should stop and appreciate that even though it's not where

00:44:19.540 it needs to be and it's not where we want to go i think that we do see those positive steps but as

00:44:24.000 you say government can't do it all and they certainly aren't going to get it all done anytime

00:44:27.700 soon uh so in the meantime oh sure yeah let me add one other element to that that nobody so like

00:44:33.240 they have access to all these you know loan programs and all that stuff the other thing

00:44:37.140 that people don't talk about is these you know very obviously discriminatory on behalf of ethnic

00:44:43.320 minorities ngos which are also providing funds for these and they're obviously breaching civil

00:44:48.680 rights law by preferring um you know ethnic communities in their investment programs and so

00:44:54.800 You also I think the Trump administration and future administration should spend more time looking at NGOs and how they're circumventing traditional loan programs to provide billions of dollars of capital along racial lines.

00:45:07.740 And so I would call upon people who have access to Washington and even at the state level to really think about what does it mean that an NGO can circumvent a lot of these laws and basically fund these racially motivated investment programs as well.

00:45:27.940 Because that's where a lot of the sources is coming to, is they percolate out into these networks of private investment.

00:45:33.680 And that's something that white Americans don't have access to either.

00:45:36.100 Yeah, and this is why it's so important for people to grasp the difference between de facto and de jure in law. Because yes, in theory, the Civil Rights Act does protect you, a white American, but in the actual fact of the matter, de facto, the law has not operated that way in decades.

00:45:54.340 And so if the law was just being enforced as written, if the law was the law written, then we wouldn't have this problem, but it's not even close. And so one of the problems the Trump administration is running into is simply not having the manpower to chase down every instance of this de facto de jure divide.

00:46:12.500 so yeah you you could write new laws but in many cases you just need to enforce laws on the books

00:46:18.220 but because there's been decades and decades of this slack allowance you know it's like if you've

00:46:23.500 uh you know had a kid that's been spoiled since they were three years old and they you know got

00:46:28.420 locked up in prison and now you need to scare them straight at 15 like yeah you know you you can fix

00:46:33.640 this problem but it's going to take way way more effort because you've let this bad behavior go on

00:46:38.140 for years and they just assume that's how the system works and trying to condition everybody

00:46:42.780 to go back to the wall the way the law is written rather than the way it's de facto been carried out

00:46:47.800 is as monumental a task as passing a new law that would you know be stricter anyway so that's just

00:46:53.380 the dynamic people need to understand i'm not excusing that we're not getting more action or

00:46:58.440 whatever necessarily but i'm just saying recognize that you know whatever amount of firepower army

00:47:04.540 has in the civil rights division well she's only got like half the lawyers actually working for

00:47:09.820 anyway most of them are in revolt uh but even the ones that are working for her like they're just

00:47:14.120 wildly understaffed trying to recondition a civil rights regime that is entirely twisted what the

00:47:19.920 law is supposed to say into the way it operates now and this of course you know includes the 0.91

00:47:24.220 ngos as well uh but as we were saying um that's the legal side now the personal side what can we

00:47:30.360 do. Why don't you explain your idea of the Rockwell gas station and why this would be

00:47:35.680 a valuable local project to reinvigorate quality in your area?

00:47:41.660 Yeah, well, I mean, everyone who spends a lot of time online and even offline understands that we 1.00

00:47:47.000 all know that the gas station industry has been captured by foreigners. I mean, everybody accepts 1.00

00:47:52.600 that by now. You go into these podunk rural areas, you walk into the gas station, and what do you

00:47:57.860 know it's another non-american so what is what can we actually do um you can't do a lot you know 0.98

00:48:03.600 but what i think you can do is i think you can restate and recreate an ethos that praises and

00:48:09.940 celebrates an american-owned gas station and so it kind of started as i don't want to see a meme

00:48:15.360 that kind of undermines the significance of what we're doing but it really started as this idea

00:48:20.120 you know like hear me out a gas station but american-owned and as people begin to be like

00:48:25.820 yes, we need it. Let's do it. Um, I, you know, was in the meantime moving to middle Tennessee

00:48:31.000 and there's all of these, you know, there's, there's this entire community that's, that's

00:48:36.100 being built up here. And I was amazed by the opportunity here in terms of creating something

00:48:42.800 that's our own, that we can benefit from. And so I decided to kind of give it a chance and said,

00:48:47.240 what if we did this seriously? I have another friend named Ryan that moved into the area and

00:48:52.100 said what if we actually tried to do it here and you know so we planned on it for six months we

00:48:57.060 looked at it we you know we ran the numbers what would it take and we realized that we wanted to

00:49:01.860 create this initiative that was basically buying and restoring an old historically significant

00:49:08.180 building and putting in american-owned gas station with uh you know two pumps four nozzles maybe a

00:49:14.340 diesel bay but it also had a diner component to it you know there's an old american roadside diner

00:49:20.100 feel that needs to be brought back into the equation too because a lot of these stops uh

00:49:24.580 from the 40s to the 70s were very much community oriented places that people could gather connect

00:49:29.940 fill up their tank and grab a burger and milkshake i mean we can all picture it but what if we did it

00:49:34.020 today and we wanted to you know align that together with an old mercantile a country store

00:49:39.620 and you know we we went with the name rockwell's like norman rockwell you know that's quintessentially

00:49:44.020 american and we're like we're gonna do this right here started telling about it people about it we

00:49:47.940 filed um the the legal entity we said okay let's what's gonna cost it's gonna cost you know 1.2 to

00:49:54.720 1.5 million dollars okay let's raise it we started telling people about it and people are like yeah

00:49:59.500 we're in let's go how can i how can i help how can i do this can i invest and we're like holy smokes

00:50:03.520 it's it's real it's happening people want this there's an actual cultural demand for an american

00:50:08.620 owned gas station and um we all feel it and people are like i will i will drive out of my way i will

00:50:15.540 I will spend an entire tank of gas to come and fill my gas tank at Rockwell's.

00:50:20.380 And we realized that it was actually bigger than we initially thought and it needed to

00:50:24.560 be beyond a location.

00:50:25.640 So now we're exploring through, you know, some advisors and consultants, you know, how

00:50:30.340 do we get into North Carolina and South Carolina and Kentucky and Texas and other places around

00:50:34.440 the area?

00:50:35.340 And so now it's like we have an entire list of people that are like, how can we help

00:50:40.560 you get here in our area?

00:50:41.760 We have mayors contacting us.

00:50:43.320 What can we do to provide whatever incentives you need to launch here?

00:50:48.980 And so it's way bigger than we thought.

00:50:51.300 We're actually going to make the raise live.

00:50:53.880 We have like a full interest list.

00:50:55.360 We're actually going to make the raise live next week.

00:50:58.260 And that's at rockwellsgas.com, which is just a basic placeholder website.

00:51:02.540 But if you go to rockwellsgas.com slash investors, you can get on the interest list.

00:51:06.720 And it's like, okay, $1.2 million is much more money than I have. 1.00

00:51:11.260 But if all of these Gujarati Indians can kind of pull their money together and be scrappy about funding their places, then why can't we think in terms of what we want as heritage Americans and recreate the world that was lost to us? 1.00

00:51:25.160 We can actually do it. 1.00

00:51:26.300 Now, it's not going to be a full reinstatement of the 1950s tomorrow, but if we can show people that it can be done, if we can show people that we are motivated to do it, and if the capital is there, we're going to do it, and we are doing it.

00:51:39.340 And so, you know, I would encourage people to reach out, you know, we're on X and, you know, people know me from X, but, you know, Rockwells is also on X and we want to create in our own small way, this, you know, movements a little bit of a, you know, tacky word, but to create this movement of America is a good place and America deserves to be restored.

00:51:59.180 You know, that's the word that I would use here is restored.

00:52:01.660 We're not creating the future, but we are bolstering down what was ours and what was

00:52:05.940 lost and what was, you know, sold away by all of these various interests, what was taken

00:52:10.000 from us in various ways, that an American-owned gas station and diner and mercantile is possible.

00:52:15.660 It's advantageous for communities and it's what people need to see sort of as a beacon

00:52:20.260 of light in their communities, that there is something good here worth preserving and

00:52:24.100 rebuilding.

00:52:24.600 And that's what we're doing.

00:52:25.680 And so I would encourage everyone, you know, please participate.

00:52:28.280 You know, I didn't bring my mug, but I have a Rockwell's Diner mug, and it's just a symbol of something that we can retake.

00:52:36.320 And that's what we're doing. So it's going to start here in Middle Tennessee.

00:52:39.780 Most, you know, some of your listeners may be aware of the Ridge Runner Initiative out here in regional Tennessee and what we're doing to kind of reinvigorate the area.

00:52:48.840 But a gas station is part of that. I mean, there's this completely empty stretch of road that goes from one town to the next, and there's no gas station there.

00:52:56.500 And Rockwell's is going to place a flag there, make that our headquarters, our first location and expand out from there into North Carolina, South Carolina, et cetera.

00:53:05.880 But we really are looking at the next 10 years and we're saying, you know, what can we do to kind of do our own thing, take our own stand and recreate the classic Americana roadside gas station and diner?

00:53:18.260 And I think that's great.

00:53:19.920 As we said, you know, the structural changes have to happen.

00:53:23.340 We need them to happen.

00:53:24.200 We should encourage them and work politically to make them happen. But in the day to day in your community, how do you make a difference? How do you bring that vision that you'd like to see into reality? Not entirely dependent on sitting around and waiting for Republicans to get off their butt. I think that that's really important. So I'm glad to see you address this. And again, people might say gas station. It's such a small thing, but I don't think it is.

00:53:45.960 I think that over time we have allowed so much of what is good about America to be eroded for this like cheap veneer, you know, just because we can do a little bit cheaper if we just hand it over to someone else, if we bring some people in for and people have become so used to this like minimum viable way of life that they forget what it means to have a place to gather a place that is putting out a quality product that's clean, you know, that's welcoming.

00:54:12.360 You know, people are speaking English. They're here legally. You know, they're they're they're living in the way that Americans should live. I think just being surrounded that day to day when you stop for your cup of coffee before when you fill up your gas tank, those things, I think it makes a difference.

00:54:27.440 And I think people should recognize that it's not always about just immediately getting the best return on your investment for something cheap.

00:54:35.060 Because actually, at this point, people are willing to pay for that quality because they recognize that the experience and living in that way is just worth more.

00:54:43.740 It's worth putting your time and effort into it.

00:54:46.380 So, CJ, if people want to follow your work, they maybe want to contribute, pick up a mug or whatever, where should they be looking?

00:54:52.600 well x is a good place to you know see the daily content rockwell's so at rockwell's merc m-e-r-c

00:55:00.460 rockwell's merc um rockwellsgas.com is is the site and then you know you can follow me on x

00:55:05.780 at contra mordor but i would just say too about the um you know the cultural things

00:55:10.820 i think cultural is is built on the subtleties of life it's it's not just in what happens in

00:55:17.560 washington you know it's not just the big exciting legal changes it's not just owning the libs

00:55:21.480 it's actually in where you take your children and the things that your children absorb on a day-to-day

00:55:25.700 basis. And when they go to these gas stations, which are a staple of American life, and they

00:55:31.120 feel like they're in a foreign world, that actually is a cultural statement. And so gas stations are

00:55:36.380 extremely important. The diners are extremely important. Those are the subtleties of cultural

00:55:43.260 renewal that need to be brought back. And so you can't overlook the logistics. You can't overlook

00:55:47.760 the infrastructure these are the things that kind of rub off we absorb them like sponges our

00:55:52.500 children are sponges and if you want them to be american and not post-american you need to give

00:55:58.020 them american things to absorb absolutely all right we got a few questions from the audience

00:56:03.900 let's take a look here real quick uh cherry coke nixon says we have ubi for everyone but heritage

00:56:10.220 americans yeah i mean that's functionally correct uh at every level uh the whole ubi debate is just

00:56:17.720 whether or not we expand the programs we have for every other uh ethnicity in the united states to

00:56:22.840 uh white americans uh nixon also says indian american friend of mine told me about his peer

00:56:30.760 who scammed a government program for a minority grant and used the string-free cash on a car i

00:56:37.480 mean yeah again classic i mean we all remember the the yeah yeah we all remember the covid loans

00:56:43.500 Right. Like and all of a sudden all the Dodge Chargers were sold out, you know, so did they all launch a new business or did everybody, you know, who's a minority business owner suddenly get a new car?

00:56:54.360 I'll let you decide. Nixon also says the motel cartel also involves human trafficking.

00:57:02.260 They host victims and participate in abuse as payment. Our own British style scandal is brewing.

00:57:07.940 i don't have details on that but i would in no way be surprised when you have a business model

00:57:14.840 as cj laid out which is inherently built on bringing illegals in or you know dealing under

00:57:20.760 the table you're also going to create all of these other uh sub crimes that are allowed to exist in

00:57:25.900 these black or gray spaces where you know enforcement authorities like police are told

00:57:31.020 not to look because they don't want to discover the illegals there specifically that's a very

00:57:35.500 common thing. Don't go into this neighborhood. Don't go, don't crack down on this business, 0.99

00:57:39.660 because if we do, we'll have to deal with the fact that it's full of illegals. Someone's going 1.00

00:57:43.360 to call us a racist. That's a very common thing. And that's what often facilitates the type of

00:57:47.900 activity you're discussing there. Florida Henry says, I'm watching the oil fields being taken

00:57:53.900 over by foreigners to keep wages down. Corporations are the problem. They should, they should hire, 1.00

00:57:59.040 they would hire ISIS if they could yeah I mean it's obviously true that many corporations today

00:58:05.940 are entirely incentivized to bring in cheap labor and pretend like it's something else

00:58:09.360 we all know it's happening it's happening in every industry and sadly as you say from the

00:58:14.320 oil fields to trucking it's often eating up these blue collar industries that were kind of the last

00:58:19.600 bastion of non-college attending white men and so you start wondering why these guys are losing hope

00:58:25.260 why they can't find a job why they feel like they're in a dead end well because literally

00:58:29.460 corporations have simply replaced all of the jobs they used to be able to access and still

00:58:33.400 have a family you know buy a home these kind of things jacob zendel says i know orin wants to

00:58:40.120 abolish the civil rights act because it only goes one way but if red caesar did win couldn't we just

00:58:45.160 win uh keep it around for 10 years or so to break these cartels up well that's the point if you have

00:58:50.160 red caesar you don't need the civil rights act because you have caesar right the whole point of

00:58:54.820 caesar is he breaks the system he cuts through the gordian knot you doesn't have to deal with

00:59:00.000 the minutiae and the bureaucracy and everything so i hear you and i've had this argument made to

00:59:04.120 me guys like chris ruffo who you know do a lot of great work have made this case like let's hold on

00:59:08.720 to the civil rights act uh but you know cj i asked this question to paul godfrey to one of your

00:59:13.280 mentors and i'll ask it to you uh what do you feel about this you know paul said no i mean just

00:59:17.300 the fact that this uh kind of government you know soviet style program that interferes in the

00:59:22.900 private lives of people is itself enough of a reason to get rid of it but what do you think

00:59:27.000 about the idea of keeping the civil rights act around in order to help a white americans

00:59:31.640 i you know i'm one of those both and guys and i know that sounds like a cop out but like i'm one

00:59:38.180 of those guys that you know political tools are always in your tool chest and if it's there we

00:59:42.860 use it and if the if the situation presents itself where we can overcome it then let's do that you

00:59:48.820 know as well or instead um so i'm very much a both and guy um i think that it should be used

00:59:55.500 and and that's why you know that the stakes of politics become heightened as we get closer and

00:59:59.740 closer to the culmination of of the end of this of this system so i'm very much a leverage it for

01:00:05.580 our own good and for our own people people but if if the time comes when it needs to be done away

01:00:10.220 with uh and the political conditions are right and the incentives are right and that we have

01:00:14.560 you know the political capital to do so uh then transcending these managerial outdated managerial

01:00:20.780 bureaucracies is also you know a completely legitimately way free way yeah yeah i mean you

01:00:25.660 win by winning right so it makes perfect sense to to to take the tools you have and use them

01:00:31.140 as long as the civil rights act is going to be on the books and it probably will be realistically

01:00:35.180 unfortunately for decades to come then you should use it to your advantage if possible it's not like

01:00:40.880 i'm too holy to use it you know i'm a libertarian i don't use power it's not that mentality it's

01:00:46.100 more the what is the best tactical goal and i think the best tactical goal is to uh or i should

01:00:52.980 say the best strategic goal is to remove the civil rights act tactically we might need to use it up

01:00:59.360 to the point where it can be removed but the overall strategy is its final removal

01:01:03.560 jj smith just donating five dollars thank you very much sure very much appreciate you supporting the

01:01:10.480 show and uh johan richardson says i'd like to see an experiment recreating the scene from grapes of

01:01:16.740 wrath where the okie migrants try to buy the day-old bread as a test of charity gotta pull

01:01:23.260 those deep literary references for us there all right guys we're gonna go ahead and wrap this one

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - June 26, 2026

How Ethnic Cartels Took Over Gas Stations ｜ Guest： C. Jay Engel ｜ 6⧸26⧸26

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