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00:00:37.680 Marco Rubio has been leading the charge in deporting a good number of students who are

00:00:45.120 immigrants, who are activists, who are in some cases breaking the law in support of possible

00:00:51.500 terrorist networks.

00:00:52.500 A lot of people have had controversy with this because it is often in response to protests

00:00:58.900 against the state of Israel.

00:01:00.740 But I think the wider question is, why is anyone who hates our country going to universities

00:01:07.020 in the United States?

00:01:07.960 I think actually it opens up the larger question.

00:01:10.800 Why are so many foreign students so prominent in the United States when we have a population

00:01:16.480 that is desperate for opportunity, desperate for the American dream, who is worried about other

00:01:22.020 foreign competition, working in, taking over jobs, taking over industries?

00:01:26.880 Why are we spending American resources and allowing foreign students to, in many cases, 0.99

00:01:31.740 dominate the enrollment at American universities?

00:01:34.500 Joining me to discuss this today is somebody who has appeared in both The Federalist and

00:01:40.080 The Blaze.

00:01:40.780 He has his own substack called Conquest Laws.

00:01:44.860 It is Adam Johnston.

00:01:46.300 Thanks for joining me, man.

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00:01:50.540 Doing well.

00:01:51.340 So we're going to dive into a piece that is going to be appearing on The Blaze here in

00:01:55.840 a moment that you wrote about the college crisis, especially with so many foreign students

00:02:01.680 attending our universities.

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00:03:08.320 All right, Adam.

00:03:10.900 So like we were discussing, Marco Rubio has come out with a lot of fiery rhetoric.

00:03:15.820 He's been pretty unapologetic about sending back people who he usually characterizes as

00:03:21.440 terrorist sympathizers, people who certainly do not like the United States.

00:03:25.540 But it has garnered a lot of pushback, again, because so many of the people who have had

00:03:31.180 their visas revoked, who are students, have been involved in these anti-Israel protests.

00:03:36.140 What do you think about the initial reaction about this strategy by the Trump administration

00:03:40.980 of starting their deportations here and the type of message that sends to foreign students

00:03:47.200 who might be coming to the United States?

00:03:49.580 Those are good questions.

00:03:51.220 And I think the controversy kind of aligns with, as you stated in the beginning, you have

00:03:56.460 the anti-Israel component of this.

00:04:00.100 And if you have a lot of people on the right are going to be, like myself included, in terms

00:04:04.400 of being American first, you really don't want to have the United States involved in

00:04:08.560 any of these kinds of conflicts.

00:04:09.800 So you'd rather not be involved in kind of subjecting people to, I shouldn't say subjecting,

00:04:17.900 but I should say suppressing the speech in this regard, because really this is something

00:04:20.800 that America shouldn't really have a say in.

00:04:22.860 Now, on the flip side, you have the free speech component of this, which is people are saying,

00:04:28.160 hey, we have a right to protest the government.

00:04:30.240 We have the right to say that America really shouldn't be involved in this, but where Rubio

00:04:34.760 comes in, and this is where I agree, because it really doesn't matter in my opinion, and

00:04:38.780 this is where I talk about in the piece, it doesn't matter whether you're pro-Israel,

00:04:42.420 you sympathize with the Palestinian people, or you're critical of both.

00:04:46.600 The issue is you have people coming into this country who, and this is Rubio's point, you 1.00

00:04:52.260 have people coming into the country on student visas.

00:04:54.940 They're here to learn.

00:04:55.640 They're here to get an education.

00:04:56.640 They're here for the privilege of accessing American universities, and then subsequently

00:05:01.220 what we're finding is a lot of these international students are getting involved in protest groups,

00:05:06.440 getting involved in initially the pro-Palestinian cause, but then a lot of these pro-Palestinian

00:05:12.000 groups overlap with a lot of anti-Americanism and the anti-sittular colonial state narrative

00:05:19.200 that goes along with a lot of these groups that undermine American values, American culture,

00:05:24.560 and whatnot, and so Rubio's saying, hey, listen, if you're here to study, that's one thing, but if you're

00:05:29.140 here to cause disruption, if you're here to cause any kind of commotion on campus, harass students,

00:05:34.220 whether they're Jewish or otherwise, you violated the terms of the student visa.

00:05:39.640 We can revoke that visa.

00:05:41.260 We have that authority, and then subsequently you're in the country illegally, and subsequently 0.96

00:05:45.480 you need to get out of the country, and I think in that sense, I think he's right.

00:05:48.900 Yeah, I have to echo your feelings on this, and I think the feelings of so many where we look at this

00:05:55.260 and we say, okay, I don't want people in this country who hate my country, and if you're here

00:06:00.500 on a student visa, you're here on our good graces, right? This is us extending an invitation that is

00:06:08.200 entirely benevolent. You come in here, you get to take these opportunities. If you're going to be doing

00:06:14.540 that, you need to be on the best behavior. If I walk into someone's home, I don't just start

00:06:18.620 telling them I hate everything about their home, their children are ugly, I don't want to be around 0.99

00:06:24.200 them. They would throw me out of their house immediately, and they should, and so the only 0.99

00:06:29.240 concern for me is not the deportation of people who are treating the United States poorly while

00:06:34.920 they're here under our good graces. My concern is, as you point out, that ultimately we only

00:06:41.400 triggered this provision, it seems, when there was this protest for Israel, and people have a

00:06:47.840 right, especially Americans very much, have a right to question that relationship if they feel it's

00:06:52.600 necessary. That said, no matter how you slice it, a lot of these pro-Palestinian groups are also

00:07:00.720 anti-American, and so it makes sense that when people come in and they're trying to support those

00:07:05.380 causes, they're going to overlap with a lot of anti-American beliefs, and unfortunately, in many cases,

00:07:11.140 take actions that are violent or they vandalize something, they otherwise involve themselves in

00:07:16.740 a crime, and in so those cases, it makes perfect sense. Ultimately, I just want to deport people who

00:07:21.720 shouldn't be here or who hate my country. The reason why, the perfunctory thing that we have to go

00:07:28.240 through, I'm a little less concerned. I do wish that there was a different reason. I wish we had

00:07:33.860 started on, say, anti-American protests, talking, oh, the white evil colonial settlers, I wish we had 1.00

00:07:39.980 started there, deporting people when they were throwing those kind of protests around, when

00:07:44.080 people had foreign flags, no matter where they're from in these protests, but ultimately, the goal

00:07:50.340 is to get people who hate my country out of my country, and to the extent that Rubio and the

00:07:55.080 Trump administration are doing that, it seems positive. I just want them to widen the program,

00:07:59.540 basically. Right. Yeah, 100%, because, I mean, you look at the anti-deportation protests,

00:08:06.000 you always see the Palestinian flag, you see the rainbow flag, you see signs, no human is illegal,

00:08:14.180 we live on stolen land. I mean, it's all conflated together, but unfortunately, from a narrative

00:08:20.540 perspective, it all started with the anti-Israel protests and what they're doing to the Palestinian

00:08:26.780 people, whether that's justified or not. Again, that's not what the point of our conversation is.

00:08:31.280 This is just, I wish it kind of started more holistically about, you don't like our country,

00:08:36.000 you shouldn't get our education, and you should leave. Yeah, again, it would be great if we just

00:08:40.500 never had to care about this conflict ever, and the best way to do that is to never import the people 1.00

00:08:44.480 who care about the conflict. They can just stay over there and be very angry about the conflict

00:08:49.340 wherever they're at. Like, that's the easiest solution. So, pick them up, put them back where they

00:08:54.500 belong, and let them, you know, protest Israel there. That's fine. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

00:08:59.440 Nope. So, this opens us up to the larger question that you ask in your piece, and I think one that's

00:09:05.060 really important is getting lost in the controversy because it's Israel versus Palestine, and for some

00:09:10.480 reason, that's all we can care about. It's all we're allowed to care about, but I think the far more

00:09:15.060 important question is, in this moment where so many Americans are struggling, so many Americans feel

00:09:21.020 like they're stuck in a rut, they aren't getting the kind of socioeconomic advancement that they're

00:09:25.600 hoping for. They feel like the opportunity that was promised to them, the prosperity for their

00:09:31.560 posterity, is being stolen. In this moment, it's so clear that our universities are dominated by

00:09:39.120 foreign students. You had some shocking statistics in your piece about the prevalence of foreign

00:09:45.540 attendance in most universities. I mean, obviously, I went to university 20 years ago at this point,

00:09:51.240 and even then, the prevalence was amazing. I had never met anyone from India or from the Middle 0.69

00:09:57.100 East until I went to university, and then we were swarming, you know, just swimming in people from those 0.99

00:10:03.800 areas of the world. What is the dynamic going on in American universities? How American are American

00:10:10.620 universities at this point?

00:10:12.900 That's a great question, and that was actually one of the surprising parts of the piece when I was

00:10:17.880 doing the research on the Rubio comments. I was like, all right, well, you know, what is the scope

00:10:22.320 of international students at these universities? I mean, it seems like, you know, it's becoming a big

00:10:26.940 deal, especially at Columbia. So then I started to look at Columbia, and I found that at Columbia

00:10:31.200 University, you're talking about 55% of the entire student body, undergraduate and graduate, is

00:10:38.240 international students. More than half. I'm like, this is an American university with more than half

00:10:42.940 international students. And then you start to look deeper, and you look at the elite universities,

00:10:47.740 you look at NYU, 42% of their student body is international. You look at graduate programs

00:10:54.180 from Princeton, 42% of their graduate programs are international. And then you look at we're importing

00:10:59.560 1.1 million international students every year, which is up a little over 6% from last year.

00:11:07.520 And part of that is because the student visa really has no cap. So basically, there's no cap on what

00:11:14.200 they call F1 visas. And you can import basically as many as you want. And a lot of these universities

00:11:19.420 are doing that, because there's a financial incentive, first and foremost, international

00:11:23.620 students pay full charge. They don't get access to the student loans or not supposed to. So they get

00:11:30.060 the full tuition. And then of course, they also have their graduate programs, grants and things like

00:11:36.540 that come from the government. So what they want to do is they want to get as much money as they can

00:11:41.280 for these grants and these programs. So they want to widen the talent pool. So they recruit from all

00:11:46.760 over the world. And of course, if you're recruiting from all over the world, now you're putting American 0.92

00:11:50.760 students at a disadvantage, because American students have to compete with the entire world

00:11:55.200 to attend an American university. And that's just patently unfair. And the last part of this

00:12:02.300 is that you have a kind of elite university to corporate pipeline where, you know, we're in the

00:12:09.840 AI revolution and tech sector is becoming bigger and more important in our economy. And these companies

00:12:15.440 want to get labor that are in the STEM fields, but don't necessarily want to pay what would be

00:12:21.800 considered American wages. So you have the H1B visa. So these universities kind of supply the labor

00:12:29.580 labor to these companies in big tech and whatnot. And now, so that's where you get this whole pipeline.

00:12:36.060 You have the international component to it. And you have just American students are kind of on the

00:12:40.660 outs because they're competing, not just against international students, but they're competing against

00:12:46.140 labor, sorry, corporations that are trying to get the most for the least amount of money.

00:12:52.640 Again, there's so much there that I want to pull apart, but let's start at the beginning.

00:12:56.460 The numbers are stunning. Over half of Columbia University, almost half of a number of these graduate

00:13:04.200 programs that you're talking about. Yeah, it's an American university in name, but in name only, right?

00:13:10.540 Like it's an international institution that's running on American tax dollars.

00:13:15.500 Right.

00:13:15.940 You know, and that's a huge problem. You know, we are looking at an America first moment,

00:13:22.780 a moment in which people are saying, I want to improve the lives of the people in my country.

00:13:27.320 I would like the institutions in my country to work for me. I don't want them to work for Ukraine. 1.00

00:13:33.000 I don't want them to work for Zimbabwe. I don't want them to work for Israel or Saudi Arabia or Iran or 1.00

00:13:39.540 India. I want them to work for the people of the United States. And yet some of the biggest and most 0.99

00:13:46.200 important institutions, the ones that are critical gatekeepers for building up our nation and most

00:13:52.280 importantly, selecting our nation's elites are dominated by foreign students. If the majority 0.77

00:14:00.280 of the people who are being trained at some of the most prestigious universities in the United States

00:14:04.960 to become the next elite ruling class, the United States are foreign. What does that say about the 0.79

00:14:10.760 people who will be in charge of the institutions of the United States in 10, 15 years?

00:14:15.900 Absolutely. And with these programs too, some programs in the STEM, if you graduate in the

00:14:23.560 STEM fields, there's programs that allow these students to work within the United States for 36

00:14:28.800 months. It also, without any kind of corporate sponsorship, it also allows them to get kind of

00:14:35.500 on a fast track for permanent residency. And then to your point, these are the people that are now

00:14:39.760 going to be dominating the political elite from our American universities and they're not American

00:14:47.240 first and foremost. And this, it drastically changes the culture of the country. It changes

00:14:54.500 every, the social fabric and all of this is because American universities are essentially not serving the

00:15:02.060 American people. Obviously the focus has been illegal immigration. It's been great to see 1.00

00:15:09.280 the numbers for illegal immigration crater. Uh, obviously we're seeing deportations occur slower

00:15:15.760 for than many people would like myself included, but they are happening. So there's been a lot of

00:15:21.540 work on that front. The thing that has been concerning for some people, again, myself included,

00:15:26.920 is that the pathways of, uh, legal citizenship that are cutouts, workarounds, loopholes aren't really

00:15:34.580 thought about a lot. So the student visa, as you point out, is one of these that is very easy to

00:15:40.620 exploit. There's really no cap on it. You can bring in a lot of people, a lot of people overstay the visa.

00:15:46.620 So they become illegal immigrants in that sense, or, uh, they are put on a fast track, a pipeline, 0.72

00:15:52.860 but remember and people, this is something that a lot of people, especially on the left, just forget.

00:15:58.140 But even some people on the right, a visa is not naturalization. A visa is, is a temporary

00:16:04.960 pass to be in the United States. It is not a permanent invitation to join and become a part

00:16:12.280 of the United States. And yet many people say, well, as soon as I've got that visa, I'm working

00:16:17.300 for the green card. I'm built, you know, I'm going to get the job. I'm going to get in the pipeline.

00:16:21.120 And the whole point is that these, this is basically just slow rolling and naturalization

00:16:26.160 process. And when that's happening again, these are people who aren't coming in. They're not coming

00:16:31.540 to pick your fruit. They're not coming to clean your laundry or mow your lawn. These are people

00:16:37.060 who are coming to get high value degrees and fill critical leadership positions. Now, some people

00:16:43.560 might say, oh, well, we're taking the best and brightest from around the country. But what you're

00:16:48.100 actually doing is taking slots at Columbia University that could be used to train Americans

00:16:52.820 to be the best and brightest. And instead, you're pulling in people from foreign countries with foreign

00:16:57.660 interests and saying, actually, we're going to train you to fill these critical roles that, you know,

00:17:02.420 you're going to end up in a large corporation, perhaps, as you point out, undercutting the wages

00:17:07.400 of an American worker. And you have the scenario where not only are we, we're introducing competition

00:17:13.280 into higher education, which is already a limiting factor for Americans to advance, we're reducing

00:17:19.420 wages, and we're increasing a foreign element into the people who will influence our boardrooms, our

00:17:25.260 classrooms, our media, and ultimately our politics.

00:17:28.880 Absolutely. And the two major countries that are a part of this are India and China. As a matter of fact,

00:17:36.040 India, as of last year, they have over 330,000 students here on student visa, which is an increase

00:17:42.440 of 21% from last year. China is actually second at around 270,000, which is actually down around 4%.

00:17:50.400 But you can see when you're talking about the tech world, where the H-1B visa comes into play,

00:17:55.420 and the 21% increase from India, you can see that this is also very tech driven in that regard. And

00:18:01.940 not just that, but corporations, they're coming into the country, they're training the people to work

00:18:09.940 in the STEM fields. And then a lot of times, you'll have these people that graduate are actually

00:18:15.100 being trained by Americans at these companies, and they're training their replacements. So basically, 0.63

00:18:21.820 they train the H-1B visa student, and then they get fired from their job. Or the people that come into

00:18:30.080 the country for the education, they get the education, and then they leave. Because there's another component

00:18:35.620 to this where, yeah, around 41% of students stay in the country. But the far majority of, at least from

00:18:42.860 the undergraduate perspective, they actually leave and they go back to their home countries. But the

00:18:48.140 graduate programs, those are the ones that stay around. So to your point about the elites, those are

00:18:53.060 the ones that are staying and really having an influence. But on the backside, you have around 17% of

00:18:58.940 bachelor degree international students go back to their home country, basically. And then

00:19:03.400 Americans, American companies outsource work to those people that we just gave an education to

00:19:10.160 in their home countries. It's a debacle. Well, and I know people in exactly this situation. This

00:19:16.440 isn't just some abstract set of statistics. I know multiple people in the tech field who say,

00:19:22.520 I can't advance. There's no hope of me getting this type of job, because either A, everyone in my

00:19:29.680 company who is involved in this is basically involved in an ethnic supremacy ring. It's all 0.71

00:19:36.800 people from the same ethnic background who came into the United States and only Indians or whoever

00:19:42.420 qualifies is allowed to get hired into the jobs. We just know that that is a... It's like having...

00:19:49.940 The Italians are in charge of this part of the dock. It's the same mentality, but just in the tech world. 0.99

00:19:55.440 And the other dynamic is exactly what you're talking about here. Or they're like, yeah, I trained for

00:19:59.940 this job. So did this other guy who went back to India and now he's doing it at 30% less than I'm

00:20:05.920 doing it. So all those jobs that we trained them to do, they're now heading over there. And so we have

00:20:12.240 this constant drain of jobs for people that we educated to bring that over there. You touched on this

00:20:21.560 briefly, but it's obviously not just volume. It's not just the love of the foreigner. There are

00:20:30.520 financial incentives driving this decision by universities. You mentioned the fact that they're

00:20:38.000 getting this full tuition. What are some of the other things that are ultimately driving the

00:20:43.220 universities to select foreign students or make them a larger and larger part of their admissions

00:20:49.060 classes? Yeah. Well, I think the two components that I found at least was, yes, you get the full

00:20:56.540 freight. The international students pay the full tuition, which obviously helps. But because 0.98

00:21:02.680 these universities and American universities are competing with each other for federal grants,

00:21:08.700 federal funding, things of that nature, they want to attract from the biggest talent pool possible.

00:21:14.300 So they're looking global as opposed to with just American. So if the universities were to just focus

00:21:20.000 on American students, which is what they should do, but if they were just to do that, well, they might

00:21:24.040 lose out to other universities that are not doing that and getting a bigger talent pool. And then they

00:21:29.480 get funding for research grants and things of that nature. And that's where kind of going back to

00:21:34.620 Columbia with Rubio, the Trump administration is utilizing that money factor in terms of trying to

00:21:43.220 withhold hundreds of millions of dollars from Columbia in order to get them to revamp some of

00:21:49.240 their programs to stop with the race-based hiring and things of that nature. So they're actually using

00:21:55.360 that as leverage against the universities, which shows, and Columbia is acquiescing to this much to

00:22:03.080 the detriment of all the activists, because they don't like that they're bending over backwards to try to

00:22:07.540 get this funding back, which shows you how important this money is to these universities.

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00:22:41.680 What does this say about previous administrations, previous conservatives,

00:22:47.360 previous Republican presidents that this option was always on the table? Like these universities were

00:22:52.580 always very heavily reliant on federal funding, our tax dollars. There was always the opportunity to pull

00:23:00.200 this funding and correct this problem. And yet here we are only just now seeing the tip of the iceberg

00:23:06.960 about how this power could be wielded. Is it just being terrified of wielding power? Were the

00:23:12.580 Republicans benefiting from this too? Is it just part of the liberal consensus? What was going on

00:23:18.280 here? Why would they not take action like this beforehand? That's a good question. I mean, I think,

00:23:23.680 and you've discussed this in general, I think you have, you know, left and right is kind of just a

00:23:30.200 different brand of liberalism. So I think, you know, in terms of where a nation of immigrants,

00:23:34.540 that whole, that whole narrative is something that both sides of the aisle really embraced up until

00:23:39.600 the Trump administration. But I also think it may not be the, well, first of all, like we know that

00:23:45.520 Republicans also don't want to wield power to do anything, but on the, then when we're talking about

00:23:49.960 the education system, that is basically like a Democrat fortress from the top down. You talk about

00:23:55.780 the department of education, the people that work in schools, the faculty, they're all Democrats,

00:24:05.660 70 plus percent. You're talking about in terms of donations to political parties, the far majority

00:24:12.940 of political donations from the, from whether it's from universities or things like Harvard or Columbia

00:24:18.960 or the department of education prior to the dismantling of it, they all went to Democrats. As a matter of fact,

00:24:24.880 in terms of the department of education, according to open secrets, 0% of any political donations from

00:24:32.760 people that worked at the department of education went to Republicans. So there was a major incentive

00:24:38.380 financially for, from the political standpoint, from the democratic party perspective, not to really

00:24:44.800 infringe on the education sector. I should say, before we go any further, for those watching that

00:24:51.080 this is pre-taped. So if you have any questions, normally we would love to take them. Uh, but we

00:24:56.060 won't be able to do that because we're not live right now. I'm actually at the right response

00:24:59.820 ministries conference in Texas. So, uh, thanks everybody for watching, but if you have any questions,

00:25:04.960 might want to save that for the next broadcast. So obviously we've talked about the, uh, economic

00:25:11.680 problem here. We've talked about the lack of opportunity that's afforded to Americans because of this.

00:25:18.580 We talk about the way in which the money is tangled up in this. However, something that doesn't get

00:25:25.140 seem, seem to get talked about a lot and really should is the national security aspect of this,

00:25:32.220 right? I'm told all the time that we are in an existential battle with China. China is coming for

00:25:38.420 us, Adam. They are going to eat your lunch. You're going to be, you're going to be, you know, uh,

00:25:42.320 you're going to be completely controlled by the Chinese. We also hear Iran very dangerous, 1.00

00:25:49.080 right? And yet student visas are open for all of these countries. Now I understand that ultimately

00:25:56.240 the people in the regime are not the same thing. There's plenty of great Iranians. There's plenty

00:26:00.440 of great Chinese people, but they don't have to be here. They're not Americans, right? Like that. 1.00

00:26:05.540 So first they don't need to be here. Second, if we're trying to reduce immigration and these people 1.00

00:26:11.860 are seriously an existential threat, then why are they here through our student visa program? We just 1.00

00:26:18.140 had multiple Chinese nationals who were caught spying in the American military. Obviously, again,

00:26:24.800 that doesn't mean that everybody who comes from those countries is an agent of the, those governments,

00:26:29.620 but ultimately why would we expose ourself to the possibility that we are bringing in possible

00:26:37.360 national security threats? I mean, you think about the nine 11 hijackers, they were all educated.

00:26:42.620 They're going to flight school. They came in on student visas legally for the most part, right? Like

00:26:47.440 we have seen this movie before and it's a tragedy in this moment when we are trying to put America

00:26:54.060 first, close our borders. Why are we admitting Chinese and Iranian and other students from hostile 1.00

00:27:00.720 powers when a, they're just doing everything we talked about, taking up resources that could go to

00:27:05.160 Americans, taking jobs, go to Americans, but be also introducing the possibility that we're bringing 0.99

00:27:10.180 in spies. We're bringing in saboteurs, ring in terrorists, or ultimately we're just bringing in

00:27:15.100 people who don't share our beliefs. Why would we do that? Why would we not just close the student visa 1.00

00:27:21.260 process to hostile countries? I mean, it's a great question and you know, it's, and you touched on

00:27:27.820 this. It's not just the fact that you might be bringing in spies or people who are going to

00:27:33.960 sabotage things or whatnot, or actually a lot of times the, as I said, the Chinese student population

00:27:40.360 last year was around 270,000 students. You know, a lot of these students are working in dual use fields

00:27:47.540 with dual use meaning, um, civilian and military purposes. So the fields that they're working in

00:27:53.840 can subsequently helped, uh, help China's PLA, the, uh, people's liberation army. So a lot of times,

00:28:01.280 even if they're not actually spies, they come to America, they get trained, they work at the Los

00:28:07.540 Alamos, uh, laboratory and nuclear fields or whatnot. And then they go back and China knows where they

00:28:14.640 worked. So they've get recruited to now work on government projects and military projects. And we

00:28:19.800 helped to facilitate that, which is ridiculous. Why would we be training people that we might have to

00:28:26.080 fight down the road? And the, and there's also the IP theft that comes into play, which, you know,

00:28:32.740 it doesn't necessarily need to be from a military perspective. People are stealing American ideas

00:28:38.660 and the reciprocity too, which is actually kind of funny. You have, I'm not saying, and I'm sure

00:28:44.060 that there are some good Chinese universities. I mean, they, they are good at technology and they

00:28:49.140 are good at, um, doing some things like that, but there's less than a thousand Americans attending

00:28:55.180 Chinese universities. And there's 270,000 Chinese students attending American universities. So

00:29:00.960 obviously, you know, they don't want us there really either.

00:29:03.980 I wonder how many Indian students are attending Chinese universities. I'm guessing that number is

00:29:08.840 also pretty low, uh, despite that. And ultimately this is an issue of brain drain too, right? Like

00:29:15.760 if we are bringing in the top IQ from all these other countries, then we are taking the bet, the people

00:29:23.920 most likely to make innovations, to improve the quality of that country. And we're also encouraging

00:29:29.920 flight from that country because the country is going to get worse. There are fewer, fewer people,

00:29:33.380 unless they're doing like you were saying, and just coming here, getting educated and then

00:29:37.120 taking our jobs back to that country. But in theory, if, if, if the advantageous model of

00:29:43.360 immigration through education that we are sold is actually occurring, which, you know, we can debate

00:29:49.020 that, but even in, in that abstract theory of how that should work, we are ultimately creating a

00:29:54.220 situation where these countries become places that people need to flee because they're not functional.

00:29:59.160 And so not only are we robbing our own people of the opportunity to be elevated, not only are we also

00:30:07.020 making sure that our leadership, our elite class is more and more dominated by foreigners with foreign 0.95

00:30:12.840 interests, foreign, uh, you know, traditions and beliefs, but finally we are robbing foreign countries 0.69

00:30:19.600 of their best and brightest in a situation that almost guarantees that once those, uh, countries end up

00:30:26.120 collapsing, we get the economic migrants who start flooding over the border because, well, there's 0.83

00:30:31.820 no one to run their state anymore. And all the educated people who would have run their country

00:30:36.800 are in the U S so I guess that's where we'll go. Yep. Uh, so you basically, you take the people that

00:30:42.440 could best are the best suited to help turn their country around. You keep them here as, and, and the

00:30:48.400 stats prove this out. We're over 75% of foreigners who are in the PhD programs. They stay in America, 1.00

00:30:53.800 so they are not in their home countries. So then these countries suffer the brain drain.

00:30:58.780 They don't get the people that are best suited to take care of their own countries. And then not

00:31:03.920 only are we educating these people, but then, you know, from a humanitarian perspective, we're always

00:31:09.720 sending, I mean, America sends money everywhere. We're sending money back to those countries that

00:31:13.440 cannot improve themselves. And then eventually, you know, we end up sending in, you know, sending in

00:31:18.640 the military to take care of some warlord that is, uh, attacking a UN convoy of humanitarian aid.

00:31:25.220 And then we're involved in that way. So, and all around we're hurting Americans and we're also,

00:31:31.120 you know, indirectly hurting the countries that are sending the people here.

00:31:35.520 And, you know, I had never really thought about this aspect of it, but of course it makes perfect

00:31:39.640 sense. I was listening to Eric Weinstein. Uh, he gave a presentation at the ARC conference in London,

00:31:45.840 and I have no idea whether this claim he made is correct or not, because I'm not a theoretical

00:31:50.160 physicist, but according to him, theoretical physics more or less got put in a cooler after

00:31:56.880 the 1970s. And the main reason why is you couldn't have foreign students working on really dangerous 0.99

00:32:04.620 cutting edge physics equations because, well, if you discover the next nuclear bomb or something,

00:32:09.900 you would basically just be putting spies for China or Iran or Russia or whoever in the room

00:32:16.380 with you as you discover it. Right. Which again, I hadn't really considered that, but makes perfect

00:32:21.640 sense. If you have an international coalition of students learning in a field, you have to be

00:32:27.300 careful about what kind of breakthroughs you can actually make, because if you discover the new

00:32:32.040 dangerous technology, everybody's in the room. There's no hiding it. There's no protecting your

00:32:38.160 country. There's no putting the, uh, interest of your country first because you've already exposed

00:32:43.700 the research. Everyone's already involved. It's already out of the open. There's too many interests

00:32:48.300 from too many foreign powers who are already in there. And so it reduces the amount of actual useful 0.56

00:32:54.180 research you can do in cutting edge areas in these university settings, because ultimately,

00:33:00.340 if you succeed in the goal of producing something dangerous or something very new that you don't

00:33:06.780 understand the limits and the power of, you could be creating a disaster. And so you have the,

00:33:12.420 you're actually limiting what science can be done, what research can be done, because ultimately

00:33:18.140 there's always the chance that you're backdooring it to your enemies because you constantly have people

00:33:22.860 from those countries in the room when you're doing the research.

00:33:26.860 Yep, absolutely. And you'd like to think that the people that are in charge of bringing these people

00:33:31.060 in would be thinking about this, but as we've seen with the espionage that's been going on and

00:33:35.340 whatnot, they're probably not really thinking more about that than they should. And they should be

00:33:38.800 thinking more about that. It's really important.

00:33:41.580 So, you know, at some level, we know that this needs to see reform. We know that the system is

00:33:50.400 broken. A lot of Americans who can't get an education, who want an education, can't get it.

00:33:55.140 A lot of Americans who want an opportunity, can't get it. We're creating a national security

00:34:01.640 problem. We're creating a international leadership problem. We know that these things need to be

00:34:07.480 addressed. At the same time, while I love a lot of what Trump's doing, his rhetoric on this is often

00:34:12.160 poor. He's right. He's like, everyone who gets through community college, staple a green card to

00:34:16.600 their, you know, to their diploma. We give them the citizenship card, right? The gold card, whatever.

00:34:21.220 Yeah. Yeah. So, so obviously there's a lot of mixed messaging on this, that the results have been

00:34:26.680 great, but ultimately you wonder how much they grasp the underlying problem. Again, a little

00:34:33.360 concerning. They grasp it when it's Israel being attacked, but they don't seem to grasp the wider

00:34:38.820 problem that's happening with the United States. Sometimes, do you think the administration is

00:34:43.080 looking at larger reform when it comes to these visas? And if not, what would you suggest? What do you

00:34:49.780 think would be some of the first steps that we could take to fix this problem? Or are there ones

00:34:54.920 you already see the administration taking that you're encouraged by? Yeah. I mean, I do think

00:34:59.180 the administration has signaled that it's not just about Israel, even if that was the catalyst for

00:35:04.860 this. I mean, Rubio has, has pivoted some of the talking points. He was saying, listen, you know,

00:35:09.020 if you're here to undermine America, I don't care what cause it is, you got to get out of here. So,

00:35:13.300 I mean, he, at least on the messaging has kind of been, uh, forthright in that regard, uh, initially

00:35:20.180 not so much, but now I think he is, um, what kind of reforms? I mean, I, again, I think, unfortunately,

00:35:26.260 I think, you know, the libertarian aspect of the Republican party is still kind of has a hold on

00:35:32.820 parts of the Trump administration when it comes to wanting to, you know, get, you know, best in the

00:35:37.600 brightest. You want to bring everybody in where a sports team, that, that whole analogy. And it's like,

00:35:43.240 you know, yeah, we're, you know, but we want the best from our country. We don't want that. We

00:35:47.680 don't want to go. We're not a global conglomerate. We're not a company. We're a country. So I think

00:35:53.780 in that regard, I think the administration needs more work on their messaging in that regard,

00:35:58.120 but in terms of like what reforms can happen. I mean, I think the fact that the F1 visa is

00:36:03.640 unlimited. I mean, I think having a limitation on the amount of people that you could bring in on a

00:36:08.520 student visa would be pretty good. You can start there. You could also, um, in terms

00:36:13.200 of schools that are getting federal funding, you can maybe put a cap on the amount of the

00:36:18.480 percentage of your student body. That's international. I mean, there's no way that

00:36:22.540 over 50% of a student's university student body should be international. You got to bring that

00:36:28.280 down to some level, I don't know, 15%, 20%, whatever it is. I'm not, again, I'm not an expert

00:36:33.300 in that, but you can, you can cap the percentage of international students at any given university

00:36:38.920 or any given program. You can reduce the H1B program, uh, in terms of how many visas you're

00:36:44.240 allowed to get. And you can maybe give tax incentives to universities that hire Americans,

00:36:48.900 or you can go after some of the endowments or do what the Trump administration is doing with

00:36:54.180 Columbia in terms of withholding federal funding until you come more in line with a more of an

00:36:59.760 American first policy. I mean, those are the things that I kind of research and things that

00:37:04.380 have been thinking about, but I mean, I think first and foremost, you just have to reduce the

00:37:08.400 amount of students that come into the country. Marco Rubio, uh, has been surprisingly good.

00:37:15.380 I think in, in this administration, I'm somebody who, you know, lived in Florida, uh, the vast

00:37:20.620 majority of my life. I remember I was actually in the state Capitol when Marco Rubio was giving

00:37:26.360 speech when he became speaker of the house at that time. Uh, so, you know, this is a guy who has a long

00:37:33.540 history. Obviously he's run for president, these kinds of things. A lot of people have seen him

00:37:37.480 more as a possible neo-conservative or, uh, you know, at times, um, he's had a little, uh, how do

00:37:45.360 I say this? His, um, Catholic sympathies have led him to, uh, you know, inter to, to immigration

00:37:53.280 statements that have been questionable, you know, gang of eight style type stuff. Yep. Are you surprised

00:37:58.640 to see this version of Marco Rubio? And if so, why do you think we got this version of

00:38:03.340 Marco Rubio? Yeah, I, I am surprised. I mean, cause you remember the debates with little

00:38:08.060 Marco and I mean, they, they, he went really back at Trump a lot, you know, back in 2016

00:38:13.080 and whatnot. And I think, you know, I mean, I think good politicians can read the room.

00:38:17.300 I think good politicians like Rubio can say, Hey, listen, you know, this America first thing

00:38:21.780 is actually, you know, has legs and it's not just, uh, like the tea party, uh, that kind

00:38:27.420 of fad, it was a fad, but got kind of taken over. But I think Rubio sees and reads the

00:38:33.320 room. I think he understands the messaging that's coming from the administration. I think

00:38:38.680 he's a savvy politician. I think that's kind of what it shows. And, um, I think he's, he's

00:38:44.140 been really good for the administration. I mean, he, he said, you know, in terms of immigration,

00:38:48.400 he hasn't just said illegal immigration is a problem. He, you know, he's point blank said

00:38:53.280 immigration is a problem. And that's a messaging that you have not heard from any Republican

00:38:58.800 in a while. It's always, you know, well, we don't want, we want you here, but we want

00:39:02.400 you here illegally. And Marco Rubio to his credit has at least said, no, the immigration

00:39:07.500 issue is the problem. It's the, the amount of immigration. And I think that's a, that's 0.95

00:39:12.760 a good sign for us at least to have people like that in the administration.

00:39:16.500 Yeah. That's obviously a huge Overton shift, your Overton window shift. And it, you know,

00:39:21.500 it's, uh, it's, it's really easy to live in internet time, right? Like it's really easy

00:39:27.440 to do this thing where, uh, you know, you've been talking about a problem for a long time.

00:39:33.780 And so, uh, the fact that the current administration is just figuring it out, makes it feel slow or

00:39:39.860 something, but you have to think about where we were just a few years ago, just a few years

00:39:45.160 ago, the idea that legal immigration could be on the table, not just illegal immigration,

00:39:51.660 but actual legal immigration. We could be saying, no, there's a justification for reducing that.

00:39:57.780 There's a justification for possibly even putting a moratorium on that. It's not just about the

00:40:02.860 process. It's not just about the legality. It's not just the formalism of the law. The United States

00:40:09.060 is more than a legal entity. It is more than a set of rules that we follow. There is something

00:40:14.960 specific and unique about the American character. And maybe there are a set number of people who can

00:40:20.520 come in and integrate into that and become part of that story and part of that belief and part of

00:40:25.580 that tradition. But that number is limited because the American people are real, right? It's, it's not 0.97

00:40:32.400 just a set of regulations that you step through. And that doesn't sound like a big shift. If you

00:40:38.380 haven't been picked, you know, if you're like, oh, well, you know, ultimately my, my goal is to have

00:40:42.640 like, uh, you know, the, the, the super base state that is completely, uh, cognizant of like the nature

00:40:48.040 of, of a nation and how it needs to control. I get it. But like that jump right there is just huge.

00:40:55.460 And it completely changes the game because now, uh, as you point out, yeah, there are still a lot of

00:41:00.960 people who are just talking illegal immigration, legal immigration, legal immigration. But before,

00:41:05.560 if you had even touched the subject of legal immigration, you would have been a xenophobe.

00:41:10.220 You would have been, uh, you're, you know, you're, you're a nativist, which is my favorite insult.

00:41:13.900 Like, oh, I'm for the native people of my country. Right. But yeah. So, so I, I just, I'm very

00:41:21.800 encouraged by that shift that you're pointing out there. I think it's critical that we're seeing it.

00:41:26.300 And I think it's important for people to remember how much we've won. Yes. There's so much more work

00:41:30.440 to do. Absolutely. But the fact that we're here and you know, it just came out, the Trump administration

00:41:35.380 was throwing out, uh, you know, a, uh, a gang member and people are like, oh, well, you know,

00:41:41.000 he was a father and like, yeah, he was a gang member. We don't care. He's gone. Like just that

00:41:45.720 approach is just so radically refreshing. It's, it's great to see. Absolutely. And, and, and JD Vance

00:41:51.100 is leading the charge in this regard. I mean, he's, he's going back and forth on, on everybody on,

00:41:56.020 on Twitter on this. I mean, he, he even said, you know, you know, the media leads with the,

00:42:00.880 oh, he's a father, but yeah, but he was in 2019, he, he's in the country illegally,

00:42:06.020 this MS, uh, 13 gang member or whatnot. He should have been deported. He wasn't the, the administrative,

00:42:12.340 the procedural error was that maybe he shouldn't have gone to El Salvador or whatnot, but he should

00:42:16.780 have been deported from the country. Maybe he shouldn't have been on that plane, uh, specifically,

00:42:20.640 but JD Vance is saying, no, this guy is illegal. He shouldn't be here first and foremost. And

00:42:25.300 JD Vance has really been leading the charge on that. We're a people. I mean, you know,

00:42:29.920 he's one of the first politicians to talk about America as a people and not just an idea. And

00:42:35.340 that is something obviously that you, uh, you and I, and a lot of other people have been talking

00:42:39.880 about on Twitter, but it's nice to actually hear the people that we're voting for talk about it as

00:42:44.520 well. Yeah. And it's, it's very clear. First, I want to make it, make it clear. Actually, uh,

00:42:49.640 if you're a violent gangbanger, I don't care if you knock someone up and I don't care where they 0.69

00:42:55.580 take you out of this country. Like really you're illegal. You're not supposed to be here. 0.99

00:43:00.680 Right. You know, uh, the fact that whether or not you are, you know, got deported to the right

00:43:05.300 country. Yeah. We'll make an effort to make sure you go to the right place. Right. But, but maybe try

00:43:09.120 not being in my country illegally. Probably maybe try not joining a, uh, you know, horrible gang that

00:43:14.460 rapes people and, and traffics and drugs and kills people. That's the issue. Right. That, that, that, 0.95

00:43:19.060 that is the much more important part of this. Right. Uh, but, but ultimately the fact that guys

00:43:25.000 like JD Vance are talking about this being a nation and that being the highest priority is huge. We know

00:43:30.680 that there is some level of internal disagreement on this. Uh, we saw kind of the H1B, uh, side of the

00:43:39.500 tech, right? Take the bloody nose in that debate during kind of the Christmas season. Um, but

00:43:44.440 it's good to know that someone who is focused on that truth is so close to power. It does seem

00:43:50.320 like the heir apparent of the administration and is ultimately, I think having a big influence on

00:43:54.800 where it's going. Absolutely. And I, and I do hope he is the heir apparent because really this can't

00:44:00.340 be, I know Trump has said that he wants a third term, but this, this, uh, can't be a, uh, four year

00:44:05.880 and done, and then just give all the power back to the Democrats. We really need a good run of these

00:44:10.880 types of ideas and the Overton window continuing to shift. We need this to continue for, I mean,

00:44:16.600 God willing forever, because we don't want the Democrats ever to get back in power, but in order

00:44:21.300 to get a lot of these, um, these, the executive orders are great, but we need them to be more

00:44:26.800 permanent because as we've seen, uh, like just with the, uh, 1776 commission where, you know, Trump put

00:44:33.260 that in place, the education, getting back to the education that we talked about right in the

00:44:37.160 beginning. Um, he put that in place. The report comes out in 2020. Here's some recommendations

00:44:42.880 for how to instill, uh, patriotism and tradition, uh, and actually counter the narratives of the 1619

00:44:49.200 project. And then Biden gets into office and basically just shuts the whole thing down.

00:44:53.100 So we really can't have that. So God willing, uh, JD Vance or someone in that same mindset will

00:44:59.440 take the mantle and, uh, kind of pick up where Trump left off. Exactly. All right, Adam,

00:45:05.400 we're going to go ahead and wrap this up here, but before we do, uh, where can people find your

00:45:10.580 work? All right. Well, uh, as you said, um, I have my own website, conquesttheory.com. Uh,

00:45:16.680 you can find me on Twitter at conquest theory as well. And, uh, I write some articles for the

00:45:21.820 blaze and I write some articles for the federalist. So you can see me pop up. But for the most part,

00:45:25.660 I do a lot of my work on Twitter and then I'll link to all the other stuff.

00:45:29.420 Fantastic. All right, guys, we'll make sure that you're checking out Adam's work. Again,

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 02, 2025

How Foreign Students Conquered American Universities｜ Guest： Adam Johnston ｜ 4⧸2⧸25

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