The Auron MacIntyre Show - How Jon Stewart Uses Framing to Lie About Gun Control ｜ 3⧸8⧸23

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00:01:29.980 Good afternoon.

00:01:30.320 I've got a stream I think you're really going to enjoy today.

00:01:33.580 This is going to be part of the series I've been doing where we look at something, a piece

00:01:38.660 of propaganda, a debate, something where the left, a progressive, is talking about an issue,

00:01:45.880 they're presenting something.

00:01:46.920 And we're going to break down how they do it, what kind of language they're using, what kind of rhetoric they're using, and how we can identify these tactics, understand why they're using the different approaches

00:02:00.440 that they're using when they're using when they're talking about this issue.

00:02:02.900 Now, you probably have seen a clip of this.

00:02:06.160 This is the interview that Jon Stewart did last week.

00:02:10.840 It went kind of viral a little bit that everyone was talking about.

00:02:14.840 You kind of got both sides of this.

00:02:16.860 A lot of progressives thought this was an amazing display. 0.91

00:02:20.260 This is Jon Stewart just dunking on people, destroying people, wrecking some dumb chud from the middle of nowhere, a Republican who didn't know he was talking about, just a masterful cross-examination showing Jon Stewart's brilliance. 1.00

00:02:36.040 On the other side, you had people on the right saying, look, this guy obviously pivoted, this guy obviously avoided the stuff that he was supposed to be talking about, he was using a lot of deceit in this.

00:02:47.340 And so I kind of wanted to go over it because I think there's a lot of really interesting points in this that we can kind of pick apart, we can break down the game film, and we can understand the way that Jon Stewart does this.

00:02:57.780 Now, before we get into it, a couple things here.

00:02:59.660 First, Jon Stewart is really famous at this point for this clown nose on, clown nose off tactic, right?

00:03:08.140 You know, I like a lot of people when I was young, I was in high school when Jon Stewart kind of started to get big with The Daily Show.

00:03:15.420 I remember him making fun of the Bush-Gore election where Bush appealed to the Legion of Doom and Al Gore had to appeal the decision to, you know, the Hall of Justice or whatever, the Super Friends.

00:03:26.620 And, you know, I understood that he was kind of biased at the time, but it was still funny.

00:03:32.100 It was the beginning of this edutainment type stuff that we see so much today where people kind of represent themselves as half comedians, half news presenters, half journalists type scenario.

00:03:45.540 I understand I just listed three things there, so it should probably be in thirds, but you know where I'm going with this.

00:03:49.760 And so Stewart is really famous for playing this game where he'll talk about all the important things.

00:03:56.420 He'll talk about very serious subjects, but he's a comedian, right?

00:03:59.560 He did legitimately start out as a comedian.

00:04:02.200 And so he'll do this thing where at some point he's making fun of stuff, but then he's also, he'll get on a soapbox and make really serious points, very, very important points.

00:04:12.020 And then the minute someone kind of points out a logical fallacy or talks about how he's not really taking certain data pieces or things seriously, he'll retreat back to his comedian stance. 0.94

00:04:21.160 Oh, I'm just a clown. 0.90

00:04:22.280 Clown knows on, man. 0.90

00:04:23.320 I'm just, I'm just this guy who's cracking jokes.

00:04:26.600 It's not serious.

00:04:27.400 Don't take it too seriously.

00:04:28.420 But the minute then someone says, oh, okay, well, it's comedy.

00:04:31.040 He immediately then rushes back out and starts laying the smack down when it comes to his political opinions.

00:04:36.980 This is something that's very common now.

00:04:38.880 It's almost routine at this point.

00:04:40.960 And it's incredibly old and people should really be able to see through it.

00:04:44.780 Now, Stuart, of course, stepped away from the Daily Show and it's cratered ever since.

00:04:48.820 I don't know anybody who watches that thing at this point.

00:04:51.460 He's got this new show and he's talking, he's basically doing the exact same shtick.

00:04:56.320 I don't know why he quit in the first place.

00:04:57.720 If you're just going to go back to doing the same thing, except now it's even less funny.

00:05:01.360 At least at many points during the Daily Show, you could say that Stuart was legitimately funny, even if he's incredibly dishonest and biased.

00:05:09.000 He at least made an attempt at being funny.

00:05:11.720 In this, he's really just doing a far more serious version where he occasionally cracks a joke.

00:05:17.460 But for the most part, he's just parroting liberal orthodoxy at every moment.

00:05:21.680 You know, he's one of these people who's talked, you know, out of both sides of his mouth.

00:05:25.560 On one side, he'll say, oh, this is bad.

00:05:27.640 It's killing comedy.

00:05:28.620 People are being censored.

00:05:29.620 But then he'll immediately do one of these shows where he acknowledges every tenet of wokeness, where he embraces every aspect of it.

00:05:37.460 And so he's really just doing this really sad thing where he's kind of dragging the end of his career and just acquiescing to every bit of kind of the new woke vanguard of the left.

00:05:48.360 We're not really standing for anything at the end of the day.

00:05:51.960 Now, he is, of course, famous during The Daily Show for doing these gotcha interviews, right, grabbing people.

00:05:58.880 And even when he had somewhat formidable opponents, even when he had these opportunities where he was talking to people who were a little more complicated, he was well known for aggressively editing these things.

00:06:11.580 He would cut out any point at which he was embarrassed, any time in which he made a mistake, and they would make sure to represent it in a very particular light.

00:06:22.540 So at this point, really, all conservatives should know better.

00:06:26.140 Like, everyone on the right should know not to walk into this blender, right?

00:06:29.640 Like, Jon Stewart has done this time and time and time again.

00:06:32.640 And so you really should know better than to walk into an interview where he can control everything, he's got the editing power, he's got the discretion over what actually sees the light of day, and he makes sure that you're never really going to see anything that casts him in bad light, and he's going to cut this thing to make sure that you're embarrassed.

00:06:50.200 That said, there's probably a reason that he has to talk to an Oklahoma state senator at this point, right?

00:06:56.120 Like, there are, of course, many great state senators out there, you know, but in general, state senator's not exactly some kind of amazing high point for, like, debating ability.

00:07:08.320 Rhetoric is not the first thing that most state senators are into.

00:07:12.680 He couldn't get, like, a national senator.

00:07:14.100 He's not talking to anyone of, you know, great standing on the national stage.

00:07:20.640 He's got to kind of cherry pick the one guy in Oklahoma who doesn't understand how Jon Stewart does this and kind of walks right into it.

00:07:28.540 So to, you know, I'm sure this guy, you know, Nathan Don, he's probably a nice guy, probably has the best of intentions, felt like he kind of knew what he was talking about and had the force of argument and said, I'm just going to step into this thing and kind of have a discussion and win people over with facts and logic.

00:07:45.560 Like, we're going to see he's not the best debater, but I don't want to focus on that so much.

00:07:50.520 We will point out the things where, you know, he didn't do the best.

00:07:54.180 He could have done things differently.

00:07:55.320 But what I really want to focus on is the way that Stewart boxes him in, the way he uses framing and language to control what the state senator is saying and where this goes.

00:08:06.720 So that said, let's go ahead and jump in a little bit.

00:08:08.960 We'll watch a little bit of this, and then we'll kind of break down each part of it as they talk.

00:08:13.340 I'm a strong component of the Second Amendment.

00:08:14.980 I believe the right to keep in bear arms shall not be infringed.

00:08:17.980 That's the one right that's listed in the Constitution that uses that very specific affirmative language, you know, shall not be infringed.

00:08:24.420 Oh, it's also the one right that uses the phrase well-regulated.

00:08:28.140 Correct, when it's talking about the militia and the state.

00:08:30.480 By the way.

00:08:31.280 So, oh, sorry, I'll get this last part in here.

00:08:33.280 For clarity's sake.

00:08:34.180 Yeah.

00:08:34.580 I'm not against the Second Amendment.

00:08:36.260 So for clarity's sake, Jon Stewart is 100% against the Second Amendment.

00:08:39.900 Okay, so right off the bat, he's going to kind of set this tone where I'm not a crazy guy.

00:08:47.560 I am the voice of reason.

00:08:50.340 I am the voice of order.

00:08:52.320 You'll see him use that word a lot here, which is going to be hilarious later on.

00:08:56.040 I'm the voice of the calm and reasonable person, and I'm not against the Second Amendment.

00:09:01.820 I'm not coming for your guns.

00:09:03.120 Even though he's regularly going to make a case at every opportunity that the state should be coming for people's guns, that the control of this should be absolute by the state in every aspect.

00:09:15.320 So he's right off the bat, completely just lying.

00:09:17.840 He's manipulating.

00:09:18.840 He's setting his audience.

00:09:20.140 He's setting the tone to say, I'm the reasonable guy.

00:09:22.920 I'm not totally against this, even though functionally I'm going to argue against kind of everything about the Second Amendment, including its basic text, right?

00:09:29.920 So he jumps in here and says, oh, well, it does say, you know, a well-regulated militia.

00:09:34.880 Well, if Jon Stewart is for the Second Amendment in the idea that, like, people should be able to own firearms, then the argument he's making right there is void, right?

00:09:43.960 Because people who cite that part of the Second Amendment, that there should be a well-regulated militia, are usually citing it specifically for the purpose of saying individuals should not be able to own firearms.

00:09:54.660 So the Second Amendment does not secure the individual right to own a firearm.

00:09:59.180 Now, a lot of you know how I feel about how well constitutional rights protect us in certain situations.

00:10:04.940 But either way, in the context of this argument of constitutional amendments and their ability to protect, Jon Stewart is clearly coming down right away on the side of, actually, the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right for an individual to have firearms.

00:10:22.460 And then immediately following up with, but I'm for them a Second Amendment.

00:10:25.400 I'm not against it.

00:10:26.220 Like, well, yes, you are.

00:10:27.760 Like, either you think the Second Amendment secures people the right to own a firearm, or you don't.

00:10:33.400 You don't really have this gray area where, actually, the Second Amendment meant only a regulated militia should be able to own a firearm.

00:10:40.940 Therefore, the state can do whatever it wants with firearms.

00:10:44.340 Or the Second Amendment meant for the individual to have firearms in case they needed to form a well-regulated militia.

00:10:52.580 And therefore, the individual has the right.

00:10:54.660 It's one or the other.

00:10:55.480 You can't just sit here and play this game.

00:10:56.820 But, of course, he starts off, right at the bat, very dishonest with how he's approaching this issue.

00:11:01.580 I'm not against it.

00:11:01.960 I don't want to ban guns.

00:11:03.040 But you're...

00:11:03.620 Yes, he does.

00:11:04.260 He totally wants to ban guns.

00:11:05.440 Again, we'll see multiple times in many different ways that he's fully for banning guns.

00:11:12.960 But we'll continue here.

00:11:13.960 You're saying more guns makes us more safe.

00:11:16.740 Yes.

00:11:17.940 So, when?

00:11:20.040 So, this is a mistake, obviously, from Nathan Dom.

00:11:23.200 Okay, so first thing, he lets his opponent frame his position.

00:11:27.520 And he lets his opponent frame his position in a very easy-to-manipulate way.

00:11:34.060 The phrase that more guns make us safe is not the actual argument, or at least it really shouldn't be, the argument for individual gun ownership, right?

00:11:44.340 The point is not that more guns make us safe.

00:11:48.040 That's not what most proponents of the Second Amendment are actually arguing.

00:11:53.340 What they're arguing is that the individual has a right to self-defense.

00:11:56.940 And the individual's natural right to self-defense supersedes the state's ability to secure their, you know, to take their property, to ban them from usage, and to otherwise interfere with that action.

00:12:12.380 If that right requires more guns, which it probably does if an individual is going to own a firearm for protection, then that's fine.

00:12:20.740 But it's not an argument of just more guns make us safe.

00:12:25.480 There's not some specific tonnage at which we acquire enough weapons in the United States, and all of a sudden, everybody is more safe.

00:12:32.680 I'm sure that this is what that state senator meant, but because he immediately allows Stewart to frame this discussion in this way, you'll see Stewart come back and beat him over the head with that framing multiple times.

00:12:48.760 And because he doesn't push it back against the beginning, and he doesn't actually instead say, stop, no, I have something else that I want to posit as, like, the actual thing I'm contesting, he just allows Stewart to completely run over him every time he brings it up.

00:13:04.960 We got 400 million guns in the country.

00:13:08.120 We had an increase, and gun deaths went up.

00:13:10.580 So when exactly does this curve hit that takes it down?

00:13:14.980 Would a billion guns do it?

00:13:16.460 Let's just run those.

00:13:17.560 So this is another dishonest thing from Stewart, right?

00:13:21.420 He says, there's an increase in guns and crime goes up.

00:13:24.140 Actually, that's not the case.

00:13:26.860 There are plenty of situations where the number of guns total in the United States have increased in crime went down.

00:13:33.780 Sometimes an increase of guns has coincided with a reduction in crime.

00:13:38.740 Sometimes an increase in guns has coincided with an increase of crime.

00:13:42.740 Guns and ownership in America has generally just increased.

00:13:46.200 And so during, in general, that's been a general trend of the United States.

00:13:50.840 And so as gun ownership has gone up, sometimes crime has gone down, sometimes crime has gone up.

00:13:56.700 So you could say, either way, that gun ownership increase has reduced crime or increased crime.

00:14:01.860 It's not a direct correlation.

00:14:03.740 And so him just sitting here and saying, well, at some point, gun ownership went up and crime went up, too.

00:14:09.160 So therefore, guns cause crime in and of themselves, independent of the users, the people owning them, any of the laws applied, other general criminal justice reforms.

00:14:22.720 That's incredibly dishonest.

00:14:24.280 He knows this, of course.

00:14:25.260 But, you know, that's the great thing about statistics, especially statistics in the middle of a debate like this.

00:14:31.040 You just throw them out there and nobody's prepared.

00:14:33.560 No one actually has anything.

00:14:34.800 This is why statistics are usually just generally useless in the middle of like a debate as it's happening, because no one actually has the time to go back and fact check this, correct all this stuff.

00:14:44.940 Yeah, maybe you've got, you know, Ben Shapiro leveling out like 19 binders worth of statistics.

00:14:49.940 But even then, it's just people who are going to argue over the efficacy of the statistics.

00:14:53.820 The point is, Stewart is just completely manipulating the framing of this to make it sound like, oh, well, we know it's an obvious and proven fact that every time we increase gun ownership, you know, gun deaths go up.

00:15:06.120 It's not just not true.

00:15:07.380 It's proven demonstrably false, right?

00:15:09.280 Those numbers, you know, 400 million, 50,000, you're talking about a less than a fraction of not even a percent, of a hundredth of a percent.

00:15:18.420 But it goes up, not down.

00:15:20.380 So your argument is backwards.

00:15:22.400 But if you want, okay, so let's come up with a solution.

00:15:25.060 Okay, so.

00:15:26.080 So again, we know that that's not necessarily the case, right?

00:15:30.160 And his point, and this is the point he's going to make over and over again.

00:15:33.100 So this is the actual point that the state senator is going to deliver, is that it's the actions of the individual and not the whether or not a gun control, you know, is there, whether or not the gun itself exists, which is going to actually drive the violence here.

00:15:49.820 That's the point he's actually going to make.

00:15:51.440 But because he let John Stewart do this framing of more guns equals everyone safe.

00:15:57.060 Stewart's just going to go back to that over and over again.

00:15:59.620 He's completely going to ignore any of the real arguments that Nathan is making.

00:16:04.400 He's going to ignore any of the actual points he's trying to make because he's not here to convince Nathan.

00:16:11.000 And that's something you really need to understand as a conservative or a reactionary or anyone.

00:16:17.260 When you're stepping into this arena, if you're going to step into an arena of public debate, remember that the person you're talking to is not your audience.

00:16:26.240 They don't care.

00:16:27.500 They showed up here to own you.

00:16:29.200 John Stewart's TV show.

00:16:30.960 I mean, come on.

00:16:32.280 John Stewart's been doing this for decades.

00:16:34.340 OK, you know the purpose of John Stewart's TV show. 1.00

00:16:36.720 It's to make you look dumb. 0.99

00:16:38.180 It's all he does. 0.99

00:16:39.420 So if you're going to walk into this, you need to be prepared for that.

00:16:41.900 You shouldn't come in here thinking, I'm going to change John Stewart's mind because John Stewart isn't interested in your mind.

00:16:47.160 He's not interested in winning you over.

00:16:49.200 He's interested in using you as a tool, a weapon in his propaganda advance.

00:16:55.980 OK, so if you're going to step in here, if you're going to put yourself in the situation, which you probably shouldn't, not wise.

00:17:01.600 But if you're going to put yourself in the situation, you have to approach it specifically with the goal of using the situation to to own John Stewart's audience or create, you know, controversy, create a clip that's going to win you something.

00:17:14.940 And when you know, John Stewart's going to have complete control of the editing, when he's going to have complete control of the frame and his entire purpose is to kind of just drag you through the mud like this.

00:17:25.060 It's just not a good situation to put yourself into.

00:17:27.220 But if you're going to put yourself into it, you need to go into it with your eyes wide open.

00:17:32.320 One of the issues, a contributing factor.

00:17:34.500 Again, I believe it's the individual that is the problem.

00:17:37.120 So your solution to that is.

00:17:40.040 Give them more guns.

00:17:41.360 So so you notice there there's an edit.

00:17:47.820 Your solution there is to give them more guns.

00:17:49.620 And then he just cuts to this.

00:17:51.560 Now, we don't know what happened there.

00:17:53.580 Maybe Nathan made a really good argument.

00:17:56.100 Maybe he just paused and didn't know what to say.

00:17:58.800 Maybe he talked about something else.

00:18:00.920 But it's very clear we didn't get the whole story.

00:18:03.060 Right.

00:18:03.320 We don't have the whole context for what's happening here.

00:18:05.440 And this is, again, the problem.

00:18:06.720 This is the dishonesty of what's going on here.

00:18:09.000 We're not sure.

00:18:10.140 We're not sure what happened.

00:18:11.360 We're not sure what was actually said.

00:18:13.920 We're not sure if we lost some kind of meaningful point that was interjected or some kind of transition that mattered here.

00:18:21.680 We just know that Nathan moved on to an example of a solution.

00:18:25.640 Right.

00:18:25.960 And so we don't know anything about how he responded to Stewart's kind of very simple accusation there.

00:18:32.500 I'm saying that because people are the problem, we need to look at the problems that those people are facing and how do we address it.

00:18:39.880 But you've removed the ability for the state to do that.

00:18:43.600 No, because you're...

00:18:45.760 If you don't have background checks and you don't have registration and permitting, how do you know who has a problem in terms of the people who you're giving a gun to?

00:18:55.300 So here's what Stewart does.

00:18:58.160 He says that you've removed the state's ability to interfere with these situations.

00:19:03.460 You say you want to take care of this.

00:19:05.320 You want to stop this violence.

00:19:07.500 But you've removed the state's ability to do so.

00:19:09.540 Two things there.

00:19:10.160 One, he has not done that.

00:19:12.800 He simply said that the only solution is not just take away people's guns, which is the only solution that Stewart ever proposes throughout this entire thing.

00:19:21.820 He just says, you want to give them guns, which is something that he never says, obviously.

00:19:27.920 And Stewart says, so basically Stewart's reciprocal solution is just take away their guns.

00:19:35.020 That's the only solution he ever has in here.

00:19:36.640 And so what he's complaining about is you have removed the state's opportunity to take away people's guns.

00:19:41.160 So that's point one.

00:19:42.620 Point two, Stewart is saying that you've removed the state's tools to stop this.

00:19:47.600 I wonder what other tools Stewart would like the state to have.

00:19:51.280 What other civil liberties, what other constitutional amendments Stewart would like the state to suspend?

00:19:57.420 What else does he support?

00:19:59.400 Does he support the Patriot Act?

00:20:01.520 Is Stewart a big fan of stop and frisk, of profiling?

00:20:07.200 What other tools of law enforcement would Stewart support?

00:20:13.140 Right?

00:20:13.720 Is he going to close the border to shut down crime flowing over the border from drug cartels?

00:20:19.560 You'll see the answer that is going to be no later.

00:20:22.520 And so actually Stewart doesn't support any of these tools.

00:20:25.920 He doesn't actually care about what's available to these people.

00:20:29.840 He doesn't actually care that the police have the tools necessary.

00:20:33.560 He only cares that this particular tool, this particular thing he doesn't like, is removed.

00:20:39.260 And he doesn't really care about the constitutional amendment protecting it.

00:20:43.500 He cares about the other constitutional amendments, maybe.

00:20:46.460 But he certainly doesn't care about the second one, even though he already framed himself as someone who isn't coming for people's guns, even though that's the only solution he has.

00:20:53.700 And he frames himself as someone who isn't really against the second amendment, even though, again, it's the only amendment he seems really enthusiastic about violating in the interest of order.

00:21:05.380 But we'll see him talk about order here more in a second.

00:21:07.800 Do you want to talk about the background checks first, or do you want to talk about solutions first?

00:21:10.960 I want to talk about what you're doing is you're bringing chaos.

00:21:16.440 Okay.

00:21:16.920 So, again, here, it looks like there's an edit.

00:21:19.520 Again, I don't know what happened.

00:21:20.880 Again, maybe it's just a legitimate thing.

00:21:22.400 Looks like there might be an edit there.

00:21:23.600 Anyway, the point is that, you know, the state senator here, he says, do you want to talk about solutions?

00:21:30.220 Do you want to talk about the background checks?

00:21:32.100 What do you want to talk about?

00:21:33.280 He's trying to focus the conversation.

00:21:35.040 Everything is abstract right now.

00:21:36.660 Everything is about feelings.

00:21:38.420 Everything is about you're for giving people guns and I'm for saving children, right?

00:21:43.540 And he says, no, let's nail this down.

00:21:45.140 Let's talk about a specific thing.

00:21:46.980 What does Stewart do?

00:21:48.080 He immediately reframes, right?

00:21:49.780 I don't want to talk about solutions.

00:21:52.520 And I don't want to talk about proposed issues here.

00:21:56.020 I want to talk about feelings.

00:21:57.940 I want to talk about chaos and order.

00:22:00.140 I want to talk about, you know, these loose terms that I can redefine at any moment.

00:22:05.320 And this is, and to be fair to Stewart here, he is right about this tactic.

00:22:10.160 Feelings win over facts.

00:22:11.740 Sorry, guys.

00:22:12.720 But it's not facts over feelings.

00:22:14.600 It's feelings over facts.

00:22:15.740 And Stewart knows that appealing to his audience's feelings about this issue is far more powerful than nailing down any particular policy about it, right?

00:22:27.000 And so that's what he's going to do.

00:22:28.660 He's not going to ever specifically do anything, but, you know, he's going to vaguely reference red flag laws or something.

00:22:35.140 He's going to vaguely reference the tools that the state needs.

00:22:38.280 But he's never going to get specific about any of this because specificity is a problem.

00:22:42.100 What he wants, he wants to pump that feeling every single time because he knows it's a winning tactic.

00:22:46.880 So he's going to pivot away from any attempt to focus this conversation.

00:22:50.360 Instead, he's going to say, you're an agent of chaos and I'm an agent of order.

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00:23:24.300 To order.

00:23:25.400 That's your subjective opinion that it's bringing chaos to order.

00:23:27.940 It's not my subjective opinion.

00:23:29.400 We have 50,000 gun-related deaths.

00:23:31.380 That's not a subjective opinion.

00:23:32.700 So this is also really interesting here, bringing chaos to order.

00:23:36.320 So is Jon Stewart under the impression that what we have right now is order? 0.94

00:23:39.020 If it wasn't just for these silly Republicans and their attempts to own guns that we would just have order? 0.96

00:23:46.200 It's not Republicans. 0.99

00:23:47.660 Well, actually, in some cases it is, sadly.

00:23:49.700 But in general, it's not Republicans pushing for letting violent criminals out in the streets.

00:23:55.820 It's not Republicans who are justifying the release of these people and letting them be turned loose on unsuspecting victims.

00:24:04.140 It's not Republicans who are pushing to normalize violent race riots in the streets in response to some policing video they don't like or some judicial decision they don't agree with.

00:24:17.380 It's very clearly the left, who are constantly keeping their supporters in a state of disorder, constantly trying to force disorder and narco-tyranny onto the country.

00:24:27.340 So the idea that if we just didn't have these pesky Second Amendment, then order would suddenly appear on our streets is just insane.

00:24:36.340 It's not forcing chaos into order at all.

00:24:39.260 What we have is chaos.

00:24:40.960 That's dead people.

00:24:42.700 Let me back up for a second.

00:24:43.820 In every other place in your life, you want to bring order.

00:24:48.680 But guns are the outlier for you.

00:24:51.220 So let's start with immigration.

00:24:53.320 You want registration, maybe a wall, maybe not a wall.

00:24:58.840 Why do you want that?

00:25:00.560 Well, one of the reasons is because of the fentanyl crisis.

00:25:03.380 All right.

00:25:03.660 So a couple things here.

00:25:04.740 First, obviously, he's using – we know where this is going, right?

00:25:08.840 These are leading questions.

00:25:10.000 We know where this is going.

00:25:10.940 He's using the words registration.

00:25:12.560 He's using these words because he specifically wants this guy to use the terminology that he thinks links himself to gun control and say, well, if you're for order in this situation, you should – with registration and everything, then you should also be for order when it comes to the registration of guns or whatever.

00:25:30.400 So a couple things.

00:25:31.920 First, obviously, Jon Stewart doesn't care about the border.

00:25:36.580 In fact, not only does he not care about the border, he's probably for these – for open borders, amnesty, all of these things.

00:25:44.240 Like these things – I've not heard Jon Stewart – maybe, I don't know.

00:25:47.140 Maybe he turns out to be an amazing border hawk somewhere.

00:25:49.460 But I have never heard Jon Stewart speaking about the importance of shutting down the border, and I certainly have not heard him chastising Democrats for being more than fine with his open border policies.

00:26:00.940 He's 100% okay with this stuff.

00:26:03.500 It works both ways, but he doesn't care because the rhetoric matches the thing he wants, so he wants to hold his opponent to a standard and then apply that standard to the issue that he is addressing.

00:26:13.320 He's not going to hold himself to that issue.

00:26:15.160 He's not going to hold himself to that standard, and you'll see here that Nathan doesn't do something like come back at him and say, hey, well, then you're for closing the borders, right?

00:26:24.080 You're for getting rid of all these illegal immigrants in the country. 1.00

00:26:27.420 Since you're someone who's very pro-registration, you must be for ICE raiding every single area of the United States until every single illegal immigrant is registered and deported, right?

00:26:37.260 Since you care so much about order, since you're so committed to order, or is it only this issue on which you care about order?

00:26:43.660 And actually, you're more than fine with ignoring it in every other issue, but he doesn't do that.

00:26:48.400 He lets Stewart control the frame the whole time, and you can see that, by the way, he eagerly jumps into the fentanyl crisis.

00:26:54.420 Now, he's going to make legitimate points about this, and this is something that conservatives do all the time, right?

00:26:59.240 I have a legitimate talking point.

00:27:01.120 I have a legitimate interest here.

00:27:03.300 So I'm going to ignore what my opponent just did, sidestepping the issue we're talking about and the leading questions that he's setting me up for, because I want to make a legitimate point here, except Stewart's already going to win this, right?

00:27:15.880 Because he's already put you on the defensive.

00:27:18.040 He's already led you down the path he wants you to go.

00:27:21.240 He's already using the language that he wants you to use, and you're going to embrace it while you try to make your point to him.

00:27:27.860 But he doesn't care about your point.

00:27:29.480 What he cares about is securing your path down this road that will allow him to eventually pull this rhetorical rug out from under you.

00:27:37.400 But rather than say, wait, hold on, why are we talking about this all of a sudden?

00:27:41.240 I thought we were talking about gun control.

00:27:42.780 Or rather than coming back and saying, you don't care about this issue.

00:27:45.680 You're just using it to grandstand.

00:27:47.380 You don't support any kind of actual registration or order in this issue.

00:27:50.500 Instead of doing any of this and reframing, he just immediately jumps inside Stewart's frame and says, I know something about fentanyl.

00:27:56.960 Fentanyl is bad and it hurts people, which he's totally right about.

00:27:59.760 I'm going to pursue that instead.

00:28:01.380 That's a big mistake.

00:28:03.340 Right.

00:28:04.080 Okay.

00:28:04.660 And you don't know when it's coming across.

00:28:06.820 So what do you do?

00:28:08.000 But the fentanyl crisis is twice what the gun death crisis is.

00:28:11.400 Okay.

00:28:11.680 So until the gun crisis gets to the fentanyl level.

00:28:15.000 Not until it.

00:28:15.540 You don't want to bring order.

00:28:16.720 No.

00:28:17.080 So again, this works both ways, right?

00:28:19.600 Like Stewart, is Stewart closing the border?

00:28:22.440 Is he ready to send the National Guard down and wipe out the cartels to end the fentanyl crisis?

00:28:28.760 I mean, if the stats here presented by the state senator are correct, then it is a much bigger problem.

00:28:37.860 But Stewart isn't interested in solving that problem.

00:28:39.880 And so he's going to say, well, you're saying until we solve that problem, we can't solve this problem.

00:28:44.180 Okay.

00:28:44.320 But that works for you too, buddy.

00:28:45.900 Right?

00:28:46.100 Like, and by the way, solving the problem that the state senator is talking about, the fentanyl crisis, would actually not infringe on anyone's constitutional right.

00:28:55.480 So you want to solve a problem and your only solution to solve it is the complete vacation of the Second Amendment, basically.

00:29:04.320 But you don't want to solve a problem that has more deaths attributed to it.

00:29:08.240 So if you're really talking about bring order, if you really care about that, why aren't you willing to solve the problem that doesn't affect anyone's constitutional right and has doubled the body count?

00:29:17.560 But again, unfortunately, our state senator here is just, he's not up to stuff.

00:29:21.740 And again, I'm sure he's a great guy.

00:29:23.540 He probably is.

00:29:24.340 He probably has all the best intentions here.

00:29:26.380 But when you walk in to somebody who's been doing this for decades, you got to bring more.

00:29:31.720 You got to bring the fight.

00:29:32.840 Okay?

00:29:33.240 The winsomeness does not get you there.

00:29:35.820 You need, if you're going to step into this situation, you're going to put yourself in this pocket.

00:29:39.380 You need to be ready to defeat and embarrass your enemy.

00:29:43.400 You are locked in combat.

00:29:44.860 You are not having a discussion.

00:29:46.460 Stewart is not here to be honest.

00:29:47.600 He's not an honest actor.

00:29:49.200 He's not a interlocutor with which you will create some kind of consensus.

00:29:53.540 He's here to embarrass you.

00:29:55.200 And the only reason to show up is because you're going to do it to him first.

00:29:58.960 Well, not until it, but if we're going to talk about protecting lives, that's a larger issue in America than guns is.

00:30:07.220 If we're talking about individual lives of ways that they can be protected, loss of life in America.

00:30:12.400 There's loss of life through fentanyl.

00:30:14.120 There's loss of life through obesity.

00:30:15.740 The obesity crisis in America costs six times the number of lives as guns.

00:30:20.440 Right, and you're the guy saying, you know what would help this?

00:30:24.280 Ice cream.

00:30:25.400 So what we have here is just a rambling thing, right?

00:30:28.240 We're now deep into a bunch of analogies, right?

00:30:30.880 Because we allowed our opponent to like drag us down this rabbit hole.

00:30:36.560 We're just in a, we're stuck in a, in a world of loose analogies.

00:30:39.580 Nothing's really being discussed.

00:30:40.920 Nothing's actually being addressed.

00:30:43.120 All we're doing is just throwing vague stuff against the wall and seeing who can kind of score more, more points.

00:30:48.260 And it just doesn't get us anywhere.

00:30:49.940 Now, this is something that happens all the time in normal conversation.

00:30:53.800 When you're just sitting there talking to your buddy and, you know, you end up having a conversation on something like this, you probably address things in exactly this kind of way, except obviously like you're not trying to embarrass each other.

00:31:04.960 But it's very clear that he, very clear that this is the kind of conversation that most people would have.

00:31:11.820 But when you're having this type of conversation, when you're involved in a conversation where you are directly trying to basically dunk on your opponent, that's all you're here for, okay?

00:31:20.680 Then you can't have this kind of conversation.

00:31:22.840 You have to stay laser focused on your points.

00:31:25.240 No.

00:31:26.180 So, you know what would help the problem that we're facing with firearms?

00:31:30.220 What?

00:31:30.800 The fatherlessness crisis that we have in America.

00:31:34.180 If you look at the statistics.

00:31:35.800 Right.

00:31:36.240 Yeah, they're dying from gun deaths.

00:31:38.460 80% of school shooters.

00:31:42.660 Oh, I'm having some kind of issue there real quick.

00:31:44.800 But while that loads up, so we can see that he's pivoting.

00:31:49.320 Oh, maybe I'll show you.

00:31:50.400 Either came from a broken or fatherless home.

00:31:52.520 So, you would say no guns for fatherless homes.

00:31:55.820 Okay.

00:31:56.500 So, again, what's the only solution Stewart's ever going to give during this?

00:32:01.260 Ever going to give?

00:32:02.160 It's going to be take guns. 0.66

00:32:03.600 Right?

00:32:03.820 That's it.

00:32:04.240 That's all he has.

00:32:04.740 No guns.

00:32:05.580 I'm for the Second Amendment.

00:32:06.720 I'm fine with that.

00:32:07.360 I've got no problem with it.

00:32:08.280 Except it should probably only be with a militia.

00:32:10.180 And the only solution I ever have is take a gun.

00:32:14.140 It's obviously this guy's point that fatherless homes are an issue that they increase all kinds of negative outcomes.

00:32:21.620 Not just anything with violence.

00:32:23.580 In fact, it's not just gun deaths that are killing kids in fatherless homes.

00:32:27.040 It's drug addiction.

00:32:28.360 It's all kinds of stuff.

00:32:29.840 It's depression, deaths of despair.

00:32:32.300 This is the stuff that's destroying people.

00:32:34.580 And his point is that kids that have good fathers, that have vigilant parents, that have positive male role models, are far less likely to take all kinds of dangerous routes, including ones that put them in prison and ones that actually end in gun deaths.

00:32:49.840 But, of course, Stewart doesn't care, right?

00:32:52.500 Because addressing the issue of fatherlessness might mean asking people to take personal responsibility or asking the government to actually help families stay together and form cohesive units.

00:33:06.860 It might ask certain communities that are protected by the Democratic Party and the left to take some kind of action that might, you know, actually change the way in which they form families, the way in which they live their lives, and have better outcome for their children.

00:33:21.280 He doesn't want to address any of that.

00:33:22.440 The only solution is get guns out, right?

00:33:24.700 That's all there is to it.

00:33:26.020 It's the only thing he can fall back on.

00:33:27.240 No, that's not what I would say.

00:33:28.820 I would say that fathers need to be more engaged.

00:33:31.160 Great.

00:33:31.780 So let's put more resources into areas that are poverty stricken.

00:33:37.840 All for it.

00:33:38.420 And into fatherlessness.

00:33:39.280 And that's something that we're doing in Oklahoma.

00:33:40.680 But why with guns?

00:33:41.960 So, again, the only solution here otherwise is just more money into areas that are poverty stricken.

00:33:48.800 As if, like, the only reason that children ever have, you know, homes without fathers is just poverty.

00:33:57.400 I mean, that's a factor. 0.94

00:33:58.900 But pretending like this is purely a monetary issue is, of course, ridiculous.

00:34:03.140 But, again, we're nowhere near the actual issue, right?

00:34:06.060 We're nowhere near the actual issue.

00:34:07.660 And that's the whole point, right?

00:34:09.260 Is to completely keep us separated.

00:34:11.580 We're only appealing to emotions.

00:34:13.480 Fatherless kids are dead from guns, right?

00:34:15.520 And we're not going to address any of the underlying problems unless, of course, we just want to pump more money into the community.

00:34:21.860 If we could fund my favorite NGO that hands out political sinecures to the supporters of the Democratic Party, that's fine.

00:34:29.300 That's an acceptable solution.

00:34:30.520 And taking guns.

00:34:31.300 Those are the two acceptable solutions.

00:34:33.120 Nothing else.

00:34:33.680 We're not going to have any kind of, you know, I wonder if, you know, they just had that Texas, I think, state rep who suggested that we should have

00:34:44.720 a, he put in a bill saying that they should reduce the income tax or the property tax for people in Texas based on the number of children they have.

00:34:54.920 Is Jon Stewart for that?

00:34:56.000 Is he for that building strong families?

00:34:57.780 I've got a feeling he's not.

00:34:59.080 I've got a feeling that, like, a lot of people left, he would start calling that the handmaid's tale.

00:35:02.480 How dare you encourage intact families to have more children, right? 0.99

00:35:06.640 Because it doesn't pay out the people Jon Stewart wants paid out.

00:35:09.540 It doesn't support the communities.

00:35:11.220 It doesn't further the political project he wants.

00:35:13.420 And so he's not going to support it.

00:35:14.980 And if that, it's the only solution is, well, we'll just throw some more money into impoverished communities.

00:35:18.840 As if we're not pumping tons of money into this for many decades.

00:35:22.900 The war on poverty hasn't been waged since the 60s with no results, right?

00:35:27.660 Are you against bringing order?

00:35:30.600 I'm not against bringing order.

00:35:32.340 What is that question?

00:35:33.860 When did you stop beating your wife? 0.99

00:35:37.160 When, Nathan, Dom, did you start beating your wife? 0.99

00:35:40.480 That's that question.

00:35:41.340 Why are you against order?

00:35:42.660 And that's exactly how he should have responded.

00:35:44.760 He should have laughed at Stewart.

00:35:46.040 He should have mocked Stewart.

00:35:47.340 But instead, he does what so many conservatives do.

00:35:50.380 Because he's trying to be a decent human being.

00:35:52.960 Again, in his defense, he's probably a great guy, right?

00:35:55.800 He's just trying to be a decent human being.

00:35:57.280 He says, no, of course not.

00:35:58.360 I'm going to be reasonable and rational with you.

00:36:00.300 But Stewart is not being reasonable or rational in this moment.

00:36:04.040 He's specifically attacking this guy's character.

00:36:06.860 You're for chaos. 0.99

00:36:08.540 You want dead kids. 0.99

00:36:09.820 That's what he's saying. 0.99

00:36:10.600 Everyone understands what he's saying here. 0.98

00:36:12.440 He's saying, you want dead kids and you don't care about them.

00:36:15.660 You can't respond to that rhetoric by just being like, oh, no, I don't really want dead kids.

00:36:20.440 That doesn't get you anywhere.

00:36:22.200 When someone brings something like that to your doorstep, you need to understand you're in a hostile environment.

00:36:27.840 And you need to respond with something that's going to disarm this person or is going to match their level of escalation.

00:36:37.460 You can't just sit there and be like, oh, no, I'm not for chaos.

00:36:40.560 I'm a good guy, really.

00:36:41.800 I'll agree with you at the end.

00:36:43.100 No, you are.

00:36:44.480 You're also making it less safe for cops and for people.

00:36:48.940 When the police go to a domestic call, it's the most dangerous call they can go on.

00:36:52.720 In your world, if they knew that there were firearms in the house, that's a safer call.

00:36:57.980 So, again, oh, sorry, let me get his last bit in here.

00:37:02.100 It'll make more sense.

00:37:02.840 Is that what you're saying?

00:37:03.840 No, because police.

00:37:05.120 Because why?

00:37:06.460 So, again, Jon Stewart is not for any of the other things that the police might want to increase their safety in this scenario, right?

00:37:16.440 He doesn't support, like, stop and frisk.

00:37:18.860 He doesn't support any kind of profiling.

00:37:21.580 He doesn't support any of the additional tools that police might want for the ability to reduce the chances that they're going to walk into a bad situation, to reduce crime on the streets.

00:37:34.140 He's not for any of that stuff.

00:37:35.520 He's not for strengthening this.

00:37:36.640 And you might not be either.

00:37:38.160 You might say, look, the police are not my friends at this point, and I don't want them to have that power either.

00:37:42.200 Fine, right?

00:37:43.340 But this is just wildly inconsistent.

00:37:45.880 Jon Stewart just doesn't like guns.

00:37:47.280 He just wants guns out of the equation.

00:37:49.100 He doesn't care about the tools available to police.

00:37:51.240 He doesn't care about their safety in these situations.

00:37:53.920 He specifically just wants guns to be off the table, which, again, goes against everything he said about the Second Amendment, right?

00:37:59.980 If the state has the ability to seize your firearm at any time because a police officer thinks that, you know, it might improve their ability in some way or their safety or something, then you just don't have a right to the thing.

00:38:12.960 And fair enough.

00:38:13.440 Maybe you just don't.

00:38:14.460 But let's be honest about it rather than saying, oh, no, I believe in the Second Amendment.

00:38:18.320 I'm fine with it.

00:38:19.120 And, like, no, you're not.

00:38:19.900 You just want the state to be able to seize a firearm at any time for any reason at the discretion of pretty much anyone involved.

00:38:27.180 So just say that instead of pretending like you care so desperately about the safety of the police when you wouldn't be willing to do anything else to invest in the safety of the police when they're arriving at some domestic violence call.

00:38:37.360 Because police treat every situation as a potential.

00:38:40.440 But more guns makes us safer.

00:38:43.100 So why don't.

00:38:43.840 Again, we just see this phrase over and over again, should have never let it slide, should never give it to his opponent.

00:38:49.620 All he does is get beaten over the head with it relentlessly.

00:38:52.620 And the police go to a house filled with guns.

00:38:55.800 Why don't they breathe a sigh of relief knowing that this Second Amendment that shall not be infringed is being exercised so fruitfully?

00:39:06.220 So to be clear, there are plenty of communities across America where the police are fine with people having guns.

00:39:13.080 In fact, encourage people to have guns.

00:39:14.940 There are sheriffs in Illinois that specifically said we're not going to enforce the government restriction on guns in our county in which we've been elected because we specifically support the ownership of guns by our community.

00:39:31.640 There are actually plenty of really high trust communities in the United States where the police are more than fine with the citizens providing additional security for the community.

00:39:42.100 But Stewart doesn't like those communities.

00:39:43.760 Those communities aren't the ones that he wants to prosper.

00:39:47.800 He wants these laws enforced everywhere, even though really there are plenty of communities where the sheriffs would love to have the support of the people and the people to feel safe in their ability to protect themselves.

00:40:02.360 I know I'm in one of these counties where the sheriff has specifically said, don't mess around.

00:40:09.300 The citizens of our county are armed and they will protect themselves.

00:40:12.340 But Stewart just acts like every police officer has exactly the same feeling about this and that it's uniform across all communities.

00:40:19.780 Maybe it's not so much the gun as the community in which the law is being enforced.

00:40:24.420 In this home.

00:40:25.480 Are you familiar with the 39-year-old woman in New Jersey?

00:40:28.140 I'm familiar with a ton of anecdotes.

00:40:29.820 I'm asking you a simple question.

00:40:31.680 This is not an anecdote, John.

00:40:32.340 When the police actually go to a house.

00:40:34.640 She had a restraining order on her ex-boyfriend.

00:40:36.700 I can run through hundreds and hundreds of examples of women killed by their domestic partners by guns that were not taken away through the lessening of red flag laws.

00:40:47.620 So this is just a good move by Stewart.

00:40:50.280 I'll give him credit.

00:40:51.020 This is exactly how you should treat people who bring in this kind of stuff.

00:40:55.380 Not that he's like logically consistent on this.

00:40:57.900 I'm sure he'd be more than happy to bring up whatever anecdote serves his purpose whenever it's useful.

00:41:03.560 But whenever someone brings in something like this, you just step over it because that anecdote's going to have all kinds of trailing things.

00:41:09.640 You're not going to have the actual information involved.

00:41:11.780 It's obviously cherry picked specifically for the purpose of the person who's making the point.

00:41:16.360 I'm sure that the one that Nathan had teed up probably was a good one and probably made a good point or whatever.

00:41:22.040 But Stewart's correct in his tactics here.

00:41:24.680 Like you just step over that stuff.

00:41:25.960 It's not useful.

00:41:26.720 There's no point to be one.

00:41:28.480 You're just going to be sitting there listening to your opponent spin a tale that just builds up his side without any kind of interaction or any kind of point that you can really make.

00:41:37.260 So there's no point to sit there through this.

00:41:38.880 Now you notice at the very end he talks about red flag laws.

00:41:41.340 And again, you can tell that even though Stewart started with, I'm for the Second Amendment and I don't just want to take away your guns.

00:41:49.500 Again, the only solution he ever has besides pumping a bunch of money through maybe a bunch of NGOs and government institutions into communities that will give Democrats and leftists a bunch of jobs is taking away guns.

00:42:05.240 That's all he's got.

00:42:06.060 And red flag laws are, of course, extra constitutional. 0.62

00:42:09.580 It's just a fast lane to remove a gun from someone's possession.

00:42:14.640 Maybe you think that's a good thing.

00:42:15.800 Maybe you think the government should just have the ability to seize someone's gun anytime they think that they're a possible threat.

00:42:21.080 Okay.

00:42:21.660 Make that argument.

00:42:23.680 Sadly, there are many Republicans.

00:42:25.280 I believe Dan Crenshaw is one of them who agrees with this, right?

00:42:28.000 So there are plenty of people.

00:42:30.120 I think even Ron DeSantis has voiced support for this at some point, which is no credit to him.

00:42:34.440 But don't hold me to that.

00:42:35.320 I don't have that right in front of me.

00:42:37.160 But there are plenty of Republicans who have been like, well, no, this is reasonable.

00:42:41.560 This is okay.

00:42:42.440 So it's not just Stewart here.

00:42:43.960 There are plenty of people who are like, yeah, no, the government should just be able to go ahead and seize people's guns without any kind of due process.

00:42:49.940 Look, either you have the due process for the constitutional right or you don't.

00:42:54.140 You got to pick one.

00:42:54.860 Okay.

00:42:55.200 That's all there is to it.

00:42:57.720 You're pivoting to anecdotes.

00:43:00.280 No, this is not anecdotes.

00:43:01.380 What the police say.

00:43:02.820 If we had gun registration, if we were able to track purchases, if we are, they have a technology that every bullet would be stamped with an individual like a fingerprint.

00:43:12.940 If we had an ATF that wasn't defunded, we would be able to enforce gun laws more effectively and we would be able to solve gun crimes more effectively.

00:43:22.520 So, yeah, if I had every single thing that a police state wanted, I could be more effective as a police state.

00:43:29.720 Yeah, that's probably true, right?

00:43:31.660 Like, yes, if the government has the right to secure the location and knowledge of everything all the time, then, yeah, of course, they're going to be better at apprehending the people that they want to apprehend.

00:43:45.040 And maybe the people that they want to apprehend is you, right?

00:43:47.380 But Stuart, they're on his team.

00:43:49.120 So it's fine, right?

00:43:50.240 Like, he knows where power lies.

00:43:52.200 He understands who's actually in charge of this stuff.

00:43:54.660 And he's more than happy to hand power to these people because he never expects to be at the other end of it, nor should he really.

00:43:59.920 But the point here is, of course, yeah, the state would love to have the location of every firearm.

00:44:07.500 And this just comes down to the hard point of this, right?

00:44:10.900 Because here's the thing.

00:44:12.360 The Second Amendment is there for...

00:44:15.480 The Second Amendment is not about just the right to self-defense, which, of course, exists.

00:44:19.980 You shouldn't be able to defend yourself.

00:44:21.740 That's a natural right of every human being.

00:44:23.320 You should be able to prevent violence to your person and to your possessions, right?

00:44:27.760 But if the Second Amendment is about anything, it's not about the right to self-defense.

00:44:39.820 The Second Amendment is about the right of people to protect themselves from the government.

00:44:44.680 It's very clearly its intention.

00:44:46.080 You don't have to guess about it.

00:44:47.260 You don't just have to sit around and parse the location of a comma inside the Constitution or in the Bill of Rights.

00:44:53.660 You can just look at the founders.

00:44:54.920 You can look at the people who proposed the Second Amendment.

00:44:56.480 You can look at the people who defended it.

00:44:58.120 That's very clearly their intention.

00:44:59.700 It's confirmed over and over again. 1.00

00:45:01.340 Maybe you think that's stupid. 1.00

00:45:02.400 Maybe you're like Joe Biden. 1.00

00:45:03.440 You're like, we can drop a tactical nuke on someone. 0.87

00:45:07.380 We can F-15 them at any moment. 0.99

00:45:08.940 We can drone strike anybody.

00:45:10.540 And so the Second Amendment is just outdated. 0.57

00:45:12.760 It's useless.

00:45:13.760 Fine.

00:45:14.200 Make that argument.

00:45:16.380 But make that argument.

00:45:17.740 Don't make this argument.

00:45:18.800 This argument is weak and lazy, okay?

00:45:21.300 Either the Second Amendment is there to protect people from the government.

00:45:26.480 Or it's not.

00:45:27.980 And if your argument is it's not, then just get rid of the Second Amendment and replace it with something else, which is actually what it's supposed to be.

00:45:33.340 Just formalize what you're doing.

00:45:34.600 I stand against it.

00:45:35.560 I don't think you should be able to do it.

00:45:37.000 But make the real argument and formalize what you're actually doing.

00:45:40.240 Don't sit here and eat at the edges.

00:45:41.600 Oh, if only the police had the power to track every single gun, then yeah, the Second Amendment would be useless.

00:45:46.940 We get it.

00:45:47.960 Yes, if the government has the instantaneous knowledge of where every single gun and every single bullet is, it'll have a better job at crushing criminals, which it won't do because it wants those people to be free and raining terror on its political enemies.

00:46:03.120 But it will be much better at securing the compliance of any of its political enemies, which is the actual usage that would occur.

00:46:11.380 You're against all of that.

00:46:14.940 Because the person is the threat, not the firearm, not the knife.

00:46:19.260 I get it.

00:46:19.720 The person and the individual is the one that is the concern here.

00:46:22.440 But you don't want anything that could help law enforcement or society determine whether or not a person is a good guy with a gun or a bad guy with a gun.

00:46:35.420 Again, Stewart doesn't want this either.

00:46:38.460 Stewart wants it specifically with guns.

00:46:40.660 But he doesn't want the state to have the ability to determine who's a good guy and a bad guy.

00:46:45.460 They don't want the kind of surveillance that police want.

00:46:49.900 He doesn't want the kind of ability to profile.

00:46:52.940 He doesn't want the ability to stop and frisk.

00:46:54.580 He doesn't want any of these things, the police want.

00:46:56.560 He's not generally for this.

00:46:59.020 He's only for it for guns.

00:47:00.280 Now, again, you might say, good, don't give him any of those powers.

00:47:03.040 Fine.

00:47:04.080 Reasonable argument at this point.

00:47:06.160 But sitting there and Stewart pretending like it's these things, it's only gun laws that can possibly protect us.

00:47:11.460 And none of these other things that the police would request could be of any use.

00:47:15.500 It's just dishonest.

00:47:16.460 Registry would allow you to have much more effective background checks.

00:47:22.200 So I don't understand why you won't just admit.

00:47:26.320 So there's another clear edit there.

00:47:28.820 He started a list and then he stopped it.

00:47:31.920 You hear he said, more effective background checks.

00:47:34.680 That's a pause.

00:47:35.440 That's a comma, right?

00:47:36.340 That's a verbal comma for something else.

00:47:38.260 We don't get to hear the rest of it.

00:47:39.860 What did he say there? 1.00

00:47:41.060 Did he say something stupid? 1.00

00:47:42.380 Did he get corrected? 1.00

00:47:43.140 We don't know because we don't actually know what's happening here.

00:47:46.840 This is an environment entirely controlled by Stewart.

00:47:50.240 This is his frame the entire time.

00:47:52.160 We don't get to know what he said, what mistakes he made.

00:47:54.700 If there are any good points that were brought back by the state senator, we just don't get to know because the state senator put himself in a situation where his opponent controlled every outcome. 0.99

00:48:03.880 Always foolish.

00:48:04.560 That you are making it harder for police to manage the streets by allowing all of these guns to go out without permits, without checks, and without background stuff. 0.99

00:48:18.620 So is Jon Stewart against BLM riots?

00:48:22.260 Is he against Antifa riots?

00:48:23.660 Is Jon Stewart a huge proponent of locking up Antifa and declaring them a violent hate group?

00:48:29.000 Locking up BLM rioters and putting serious penalties on them? 0.78

00:48:34.740 Declaring them a domestic terrorist organization?

00:48:36.940 Is he for any of that stuff?

00:48:37.860 No, of course not.

00:48:38.780 Because he doesn't care about the ability of the police to control the streets.

00:48:42.820 He doesn't care about that at all.

00:48:45.140 If his political allies are out there smashing windows, lighting buildings on fire, stabbing and beating people, he's got nothing to say.

00:48:53.740 Right?

00:48:54.000 He's got nothing to say. 0.97

00:48:55.140 He doesn't give a crap about the police's ability to control the streets. 0.97

00:49:00.580 He cares about this particular issue. 0.98

00:49:03.960 That's all he cares about.

00:49:05.420 But he's going to grandstand it like this over and over again.

00:49:08.640 Why is that hard?

00:49:09.460 Why can't you just stand by that?

00:49:11.420 Because that's not what I'm doing.

00:49:12.360 I'm defending the individual's right to keep and bear arms.

00:49:14.620 That's a different argument.

00:49:16.020 Okay.

00:49:16.880 That's, of course, not a different argument.

00:49:18.860 Right?

00:49:19.640 Either the individual has the right to bear arms, and they have the right to purchase the arm,

00:49:23.400 and the government doesn't have the right to seize it whenever they feel like it.

00:49:27.260 Or the individual does not have that right.

00:49:29.320 It's one or the other.

00:49:30.260 But again, Stewart wants to treat these as entirely separate issues because, you know, he's not against the Second Amendment,

00:49:34.840 except for all the times he's totally against it in every meaningful way.

00:49:41.080 Here's what I'm saying.

00:49:42.240 You want to say, I'm a Second Amendment purist, and I'm making it safer.

00:49:46.640 You're not.

00:49:47.880 You're making it more chaotic.

00:49:49.500 And that's not a matter of opinion.

00:49:51.340 That's the truth.

00:49:52.360 That is a matter of opinion, John.

00:49:53.640 But why take away their tools?

00:49:55.740 Because...

00:49:56.180 Again, so you're a Second Amendment absolutist.

00:50:00.240 This should have never been the position, should not be the position, of course, that more guns make us safer.

00:50:07.020 That was always a sloppy way to allow Stewart to frame this, right?

00:50:10.940 But either way, he knows this isn't the argument.

00:50:14.020 He knows it's not just an argument of safety versus order.

00:50:17.820 Because again, there are plenty of places in which gun ownership is extremely high,

00:50:22.060 where law enforcement is more than happy to see people owning guns,

00:50:25.440 and where safety is incredibly normal, right?

00:50:29.120 That's not what he's concerned about.

00:50:30.840 Let's be honest.

00:50:31.900 It's very specific neighborhoods, very specific parts of the country,

00:50:36.660 urban areas with high crime rates where these gun deaths are occurring.

00:50:43.180 This gun violence is not just occurring probably in Oklahoma all that much, right?

00:50:49.700 But Stewart's not going to make any of those arguments because he's not interested in that kind of solution.

00:50:54.220 He's interested in the solution of securing guns from law-abiding citizens, and he knows it.

00:50:59.140 So certain of their tools that they're using would be infringements upon the people's right to keep and bear arms,

00:51:04.220 upon their constitutional rights, upon due process, upon other things.

00:51:07.520 So you're saying that registering is an infringement?

00:51:09.420 Yes.

00:51:10.240 Okay.

00:51:11.000 Is voting a right?

00:51:13.340 It's a right for citizens, yes.

00:51:15.120 Do you have to do anything to do it?

00:51:17.140 Yes.

00:51:17.740 What do you have to do?

00:51:18.740 It depends on the state.

00:51:19.920 What do you have to do?

00:51:20.360 So obviously we see what's happening here.

00:51:21.980 Once again, he lets Stewart walk him into an example.

00:51:26.680 He embraces the example.

00:51:28.460 He answers the questions exactly like Stewart wants him to answer them.

00:51:33.220 And he does so probably, again, in good faith, but he's walking directly down the path,

00:51:38.080 and we all know what Stewart's going to set him up for.

00:51:40.320 If you have to register to vote, you should have to register a gun, right?

00:51:43.420 Like those things are exactly the same.

00:51:46.040 Either way, he should have never stepped into Stewart's frame here,

00:51:48.880 but he just walks right into this, and he kind of deserved what he gets on this one.

00:51:52.700 You have to do.

00:51:53.420 Sometimes you have to be at least 18 years old.

00:51:55.380 What do you have to do?

00:51:56.240 And in some places you have to have a government-issued ID.

00:52:00.060 What do you have to do?

00:52:00.840 You have to.

00:52:01.460 You have to be on the voter rolls.

00:52:03.420 Register.

00:52:04.460 You have to register.

00:52:06.380 So by delaying saying that, obviously I think he knew what Stewart was trying to get him to say there.

00:52:12.480 And by avoiding saying it, he just makes himself look weak, right?

00:52:16.540 Like he's not being clever here by saying every other thing that you need to do to vote.

00:52:21.320 Like it's very clear that Stewart's trying to back you in a particular corner.

00:52:24.680 So the only way to get out of this corner is by adjusting the frame,

00:52:28.400 is attacking the frame of the discussion.

00:52:30.360 You're not going to get out of this corner by just sitting there and like slowly dripping out answers

00:52:34.980 that aren't the one you don't want to give.

00:52:36.640 That just makes it look dishonest.

00:52:38.640 It makes it look like this guy has you cornered, which he does, frankly, in this scenario.

00:52:43.080 You got to be more nimble about this.

00:52:44.860 You can't just accept what he's saying.

00:52:46.340 You have to be able to challenge the frame of this.

00:52:48.860 And if you're not prepared for that, don't step into a ring and guide like this, okay?

00:52:52.080 Just don't do it.

00:52:53.080 You have to register to a right.

00:52:54.280 Is that an infringement?

00:52:56.120 Does the right to voting say shall not be infringed?

00:52:58.620 Oh, so this is just a semantic argument now.

00:53:00.860 No, it's not.

00:53:01.200 Do you believe voting rights can be infringed because it doesn't say specifically shall not be infringed?

00:53:08.560 To be clear, Jon Stewart started this interview with a semantic argument, right?

00:53:13.300 He started with exactly this kind of argument.

00:53:15.380 He said, oh, it says well-regulated militia.

00:53:18.840 So because it says well-regulated, the government has the ability to take your guns at any time and you have no constitutional right to them.

00:53:24.700 So he started with exactly this type of argument.

00:53:26.800 But now he's going to jump on him for making, I guess, the same argument. 0.98

00:53:30.900 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:53:31.840 It's dishonest. 0.98

00:53:32.660 But again, he just doesn't know how to push back and he kind of gets steamrolled here.

00:53:36.500 An infringement upon a 17-year-old's right to vote since they don't have that right to vote. 0.85

00:53:40.240 No.

00:53:40.840 Not an infringement on them?

00:53:41.980 No.

00:53:42.880 Absolutely not.

00:53:43.780 Why not?

00:53:44.160 Because you're the one making the argument, not me.

00:53:46.600 I'm saying.

00:53:47.280 So this is a really fascinating thing here.

00:53:50.460 So for a minute, Nathan actually grabs him, right?

00:53:53.320 Is it an infringement on a 17-year-old's right to vote?

00:53:56.460 Why not?

00:53:57.880 Oh, because they don't have that right, right?

00:54:00.680 And, of course, 18-year-olds weren't able to vote initially either.

00:54:05.300 The voting age was 21.

00:54:06.800 So it was an infringement on the right of a 20-year-old that only 21-year-olds could vote.

00:54:13.980 But Stuart's just kind of like, oh, you're making the argument here, right?

00:54:17.740 He gets backed into a corner for a second.

00:54:20.020 And rather than continuing to have this discussion, Stuart knows better.

00:54:23.660 He just escapes his own analogy and tries to break away.

00:54:26.960 Even rights have responsibilities.

00:54:28.960 And that within those responsibilities are responsibilities and order.

00:54:34.760 Otherwise, it's chaotic.

00:54:36.260 I'll go you one further.

00:54:37.400 You want to ban drag show readings to children.

00:54:40.180 Why?

00:54:40.940 Okay.

00:54:41.420 So if you saw this clip, this is probably the part that you saw,

00:54:45.200 which is where he talks about drag shows here.

00:54:47.260 And we'll see why it's interesting here in a minute.

00:54:51.240 Yes.

00:54:51.540 Why?

00:54:52.200 Why?

00:54:52.600 What are you protecting?

00:54:53.700 Why can we prohibit children from voting, those under 18, from voting?

00:54:56.740 Why are you banning?

00:54:57.640 Is that free speech?

00:54:59.680 Are you in?

00:55:00.420 So you'll notice he says, why are you banning?

00:55:04.020 And Nathan immediately says, this is why we're banning.

00:55:06.940 We're banning it because it's like grooming children. 0.92

00:55:10.060 We don't want that, right?

00:55:11.080 He's very honest about what he's doing here.

00:55:13.320 But Stuart is so used to gotching him that he just continues his same style.

00:55:18.180 He doesn't adjust to the thing that his interlocutor just said.

00:55:22.560 He just continues to try to steamroll here.

00:55:24.800 And this is kind of really lazy on his part.

00:55:26.700 This is why this part didn't look so great for him.

00:55:29.000 This is a part that got shared a lot with conservatives.

00:55:31.540 It's very clear he's being dishonest here.

00:55:33.980 He's just continuing with the same tactic he's used successfully up to this point without really addressing his issue.

00:55:39.860 I'm going to back this up just a little bit so we can look at this again.

00:55:42.420 Voting those under 18 from voting.

00:55:43.740 Why are you banning?

00:55:45.020 Is that free speech?

00:55:46.620 Are you infringing on that performer's free speech?

00:55:49.940 They can continue to exercise their free speech, just not in front of a child.

00:55:52.980 Why?

00:55:53.700 Because the government does have a responsibility to protect.

00:55:56.260 I'm sorry?

00:55:57.280 The government does have a responsibility in certain instances.

00:55:59.360 What's the leading cause of death amongst children in this country?

00:56:03.540 And I'm going to give you a hint.

00:56:05.160 It's not drag show readings to children.

00:56:08.340 So, Stuart just made the argument.

00:56:12.780 He literally just made the argument a few minutes ago.

00:56:15.700 That you can't ban fentanyl or that you should be able to ban guns before you solve the fentanyl problem.

00:56:22.660 Right?

00:56:22.840 He specifically said, oh, you think the fentanyl problem has like double the deaths of guns.

00:56:27.640 So, but why are you saying that we can't ban guns until, or restrict guns, whatever, you know, he only talks about banning guns this whole time, but whatever.

00:56:39.820 Why can't we go ahead and do whatever gun legislation I want until we do the fentanyl?

00:56:45.560 Why can't we solve this problem until we solve that problem?

00:56:48.200 And then what does he do right here?

00:56:50.060 Oh, you can't solve this problem until you solve that problem.

00:56:53.280 Right?

00:56:53.480 We can't ban drag shows for children if we're not willing to ban guns.

00:56:58.540 Okay, but you literally just made the argument a few minutes ago that we should be able to ban one thing and not the other.

00:57:05.680 We should be able to address one issue even if we can't address the other immediately.

00:57:08.760 So, if I can address the issue of drag shows for children, and it is deleterious to children, then I should be able to go ahead and do that, whether or not we have then decided to also violate people's Second Amendment rights.

00:57:22.280 Those two issues, we should be able to work on both if that's the real, if that's the standard.

00:57:26.980 But, of course, it's not.

00:57:28.100 Right?

00:57:28.320 And then he makes the, of course, insane assertion that drag shows don't kill anyone, so we shouldn't be able to ban them. 0.95

00:57:37.160 Okay.

00:57:38.320 So, the only time that the government has any interest in protecting children is only if things specifically kill children.

00:57:46.320 So, if someone, you know, is predatory to a child but doesn't kill them, we shouldn't ban that behavior?

00:57:52.480 No, of course not.

00:57:53.300 That's insane.

00:57:54.180 Right?

00:57:54.460 That would never stand up with any argument.

00:57:56.940 But that's exactly the argument he makes here, is we should be able to do this, right?

00:58:00.700 We should not be able to ban this just because it doesn't kill children.

00:58:05.000 And we should be able to ban this other thing, even if it violates the constitutional right, because, you know, no children would die from gun violence if you ban guns.

00:58:13.360 That's just how it works, right?

00:58:14.580 We know that's got to be the case, because it works so well in Chicago.

00:58:18.820 Correct.

00:58:19.300 Yes.

00:58:20.200 So, what is it?

00:58:21.700 I'm presuming you're going to say it's firearms.

00:58:23.100 No, I'm not going to say it like it's an opinion.

00:58:25.680 I mean, that's what it is.

00:58:27.220 It's firearms.

00:58:28.460 More than cancer.

00:58:30.040 More than car accidents.

00:58:31.460 And what you're telling me is, you don't mind infringing free speech to protect children from this amorphous thing that you think of. 0.97

00:58:39.120 But when it comes to children that have died, you don't give a flying fuck to stop that, because that shall not be infringed. 0.96

00:58:48.060 So, he's just, now he's just jumped on the soapbox, right? 0.98

00:58:52.200 And he revealed, he just masks off all over on this one.

00:58:54.920 So, first, he's very clear now.

00:58:57.140 He doesn't care at all about the Second Amendment.

00:58:59.560 And he doesn't care at all about, you know, the rights of, the civil rights of people being infringed.

00:59:06.120 He does not care.

00:59:07.340 The only thing that matters, according to Stewart, is children that die with gun deaths.

00:59:12.100 And none of the other things that he's been talking about, none of the other things he's danced around matters, right?

00:59:16.680 He's on a soapbox.

00:59:17.840 I care about children.

00:59:19.440 You don't.

00:59:20.260 You're standing on, I'm going to stand on the backs of these dead kids.

00:59:23.460 And I'm going to take your constitutional rights. 0.99

00:59:25.060 And either you agree with that or you're a monster, right?

00:59:27.060 This is like when Pierce Morgan tried to ambush Ben Shapiro with the guy, the child in the wheelchair, right, from the gun death thing, from the school shooting.

00:59:40.760 Like, he is specifically just going to stand on the backs of these kids and declare your constitutional rights are over because I say so. 0.86

00:59:47.640 And if you don't agree with that, you're just a horrific person.

00:59:51.720 Here's the really interesting thing about this.

00:59:53.660 I'm going to show you what Stewart's referencing here, right?

00:59:57.660 So let's take a look at what he is actually referencing.

01:00:06.780 So Stewart is looking at this study here, okay?

01:00:12.920 And we can watch why are gun deaths up?

01:00:17.860 When did this happen?

01:00:19.040 What's going on here?

01:00:20.520 So he gets up there.

01:00:22.100 Oh, more than cancer, more than motor vehicle crashes.

01:00:26.100 Well, let's look at motor vehicle crashes.

01:00:28.300 So we can see that there's a drastic reduction in motor vehicle crashes as mortality rate for children.

01:00:36.800 That's awesome, right?

01:00:37.760 That's good news, right?

01:00:39.900 But it's not that gun deaths spiked up almost at any time during that decrease.

01:00:44.840 They stayed more or less steady.

01:00:47.320 They went down.

01:00:48.040 They came back up.

01:00:48.720 They went down.

01:00:49.200 They came up to basically the same point.

01:00:51.700 So this story is not about the increase of gun deaths over time.

01:00:56.060 It's the story about the decrease of motor vehicle crashes killing children, which should be celebrated, right? 1.00

01:01:03.480 That's awesome.

01:01:04.580 But that's not what Stewart cares about.

01:01:06.380 He doesn't care about the fact that fewer children are actually dying from motor vehicle crashes.

01:01:12.160 And over the same time of that drastic drop of the deaths of children during those motor vehicle crashes dropping, that the gun deaths stay more or less the same.

01:01:23.840 They go up some.

01:01:25.040 They go down some.

01:01:25.720 But they kind of just keep returning to a peak and then going back down for most of this, right?

01:01:30.180 He doesn't care.

01:01:31.340 That's not what he's interested in.

01:01:32.640 So here's another thing that gives lie to what Stewart's talking about.

01:01:36.140 When you actually look at the statistics he's referencing, okay?

01:01:39.320 When you actually look at the statistics he's referencing, you see that, again, over this time, the gun deaths go up, they go down, they go up, they go down, even as gun ownership probably increases.

01:01:52.340 So, again, the increase in gun ownership over this 20-year period doesn't seem to have any kind of significant impact on the number of gun deaths for children.

01:02:02.740 It has pretty much no impact over this time.

01:02:06.140 So his whole theory of more guns equal more children dead doesn't actually hold.

01:02:13.320 However, we will see there is a drastic spike right here in 2019.

01:02:17.940 And all of a sudden, gun deaths, which had kind of held steady on like a peak here from 2016-17, all of a sudden they jump up around 2020.

01:02:29.060 Now, I've heard some people call this into question.

01:02:31.700 They say that this stat isn't legitimate.

01:02:35.140 Again, we can get into the veracity of the stats all day.

01:02:37.940 But just assuming for a moment that he's correct about this stat being reliable, obviously gun ownership didn't just like drastically spike in 2019.

01:02:48.320 It's not like Sig Sawyer or, you know, S&P just like dropped a massive shipment of guns on the country.

01:02:59.600 It's not like, you know, all of a sudden Colt just started sprinkling .45s across the country and gun deaths skyrocketed.

01:03:08.760 Gun ownership generally steadily increases in America.

01:03:12.060 It was probably doing so this entire time.

01:03:14.140 But the increase suddenly happened in 2019.

01:03:17.000 So, yes, technically we probably went from some level of gun ownership to some slightly more elevated level of gun ownership between 2019 and 2023.

01:03:26.540 But what else happened?

01:03:27.660 Is there any other trends that we could think about that probably was far more likely to have an impact on child gun deaths?

01:03:35.440 Well, yeah, actually, there are huge amounts of things like the fact that we have prosecutors that have decided to stop actually locking up criminals, violent criminals.

01:03:44.900 We have many people, again, sadly, some even in the Republican Party that think that they're going to make friends with different communities by releasing criminals onto the streets early.

01:03:57.660 Right.

01:03:58.000 And so, all of a sudden, the number of people incarcerated for these crimes is lessened, right?

01:04:05.840 The people in, fewer people are getting serious sentences.

01:04:11.180 Prosecutors, often backed by people like George Soros, are specifically handing out lesser sentences on a regular basis, making these crimes incredibly common on the streets.

01:04:20.640 Also, we start to see the lack of policing for smaller crimes, right?

01:04:26.360 We start seeing basically the legalization of shoplifting in many major urban areas.

01:04:31.520 We see the police stop responding sometimes because they simply can't, but also because they've been told specifically not to, to different lower crimes.

01:04:42.520 And we know from experience that if you don't police the lesser crimes, crimes in areas skyrocket.

01:04:48.860 Guess what else happened around 2020?

01:04:51.280 Oh, yeah, that's right.

01:04:52.640 The summer of George Floyd, where police learned that you don't go into certain areas and you don't engage certain people.

01:05:00.320 Because if you go in and something happens and the person that you are arresting is of the wrong color and that gets spread around on social media, you might be the guy who starts the next riot.

01:05:13.320 You might spend the next 15, 20 years of your life in jail after sparking some national crime wave that Jon Stewart's not going to talk about.

01:05:23.040 He's not going to address.

01:05:23.960 Because you did this.

01:05:26.140 And so guess what?

01:05:26.800 Those communities aren't policed.

01:05:27.960 And when those communities aren't policed, the gun deaths in those communities, which is where the gun deaths are, OK, they're not they're not in the middle of rural Montana.

01:05:37.160 Those gun deaths are happening in the very communities that are having their policing reduced by these efforts.

01:05:44.940 OK, and so we see is Stewart ends this by referencing a stat that doesn't prove anything that he was talking about.

01:05:52.240 He specifically and maliciously avoids all the other contributing factors and all the other things that are likely involved in inflicting this on people.

01:06:03.560 And he just says, gun deaths are up.

01:06:06.140 There are more guns.

01:06:07.100 Therefore, you don't give a F about kids and you're just willing to let people die.

01:06:12.200 I'm the good guy. 0.92

01:06:13.100 You're the bad guy at the end.

01:06:14.540 Right.

01:06:15.480 So this is how we see how Stewart does this and does this all the time.

01:06:19.660 And again, the moral of this story is if you are a conservative, you're a Republican, you're somebody in the public eye, do not, do not, do not walk into this stuff.

01:06:32.240 OK, don't go on to The Daily Show or whatever Stewart's calling his new version of this.

01:06:37.480 He has no interest in talking to you.

01:06:39.280 He has no interest in convincing you.

01:06:40.920 He's not an honest actor.

01:06:42.480 He's not an interlocutor that's going to be trying to go back and forth and look at your arguments.

01:06:47.180 He's not going to do any of that stuff.

01:06:49.020 OK, he's there to dunk on you.

01:06:50.680 He's there to embarrass you.

01:06:51.820 He's there to edit you dishonestly and take your clips out of context.

01:06:55.900 Apparently, there's a full interview.

01:06:57.600 Maybe, again, those edits were all for time.

01:07:01.520 Maybe, you know, maybe that's the case.

01:07:03.220 He has a history of dishonest editing.

01:07:05.940 So maybe that's not the case.

01:07:07.840 I don't know.

01:07:09.240 Maybe, you know, it doesn't seem like our state senator there was a particularly gifted orator.

01:07:13.720 So I can believe in this case that he probably just walked into all of the traps that Stewart sets.

01:07:19.360 But that's the point.

01:07:20.520 You shouldn't be putting yourself in this position.

01:07:22.400 And if you are going to put yourself in this position, you should only do so for the explicit purpose of wrecking Stewart.

01:07:28.920 OK, you shouldn't be going in there trying to have a calm, winsome conversation where you stick to the facts and logic in your opponent.

01:07:36.060 No.

01:07:36.700 OK, this guy is going to come in hot.

01:07:38.580 He's going to come in dishonest.

01:07:39.840 You know he's going to bend over backward to destroy you in every way he can.

01:07:43.500 You should be ready for that.

01:07:44.660 You should be prepared if you're going to put yourself in this situation.

01:07:47.620 You probably shouldn't put yourself in this situation at all.

01:07:49.660 But if you're going to, bring it.

01:07:51.560 OK, don't just walk up in there and say, oh, well, no problem.

01:07:55.060 All right.

01:07:56.200 We're going to go ahead and grab the super chats here.

01:07:59.400 We've got a few of them.

01:08:00.320 Let me go ahead and grab those real quick.

01:08:03.380 Atraxia for $2.

01:08:04.420 Gun control is using both hands.

01:08:06.900 That's right, guys.

01:08:07.600 Make sure that you are practicing proper gun control.

01:08:11.080 Always secure your firearm with both hands.

01:08:14.960 Let's see here.

01:08:16.240 Let me make sure I grab all these.

01:08:19.720 Cripper weirdo for $5.

01:08:21.220 Hour long interview cut down to eight minutes.

01:08:23.040 Why would they do that?

01:08:24.460 Yeah, exactly.

01:08:25.240 Right.

01:08:25.440 Again, I have not watched a full hour interview.

01:08:27.620 Maybe maybe Stewart does just, you know, roll him the whole time.

01:08:32.160 It's possible.

01:08:33.380 But again, we look at those edits.

01:08:35.320 We know how severely he does this.

01:08:36.720 He has a long history of these kind of edits.

01:08:39.080 You should not put yourself in this position.

01:08:41.000 If you got to debate these people, it needs to be on neutral ground.

01:08:44.240 It needs to be live or it needs to be in some way where they do not have control of the situation.

01:08:50.080 Do not put yourself in hostile territory with people who have total control of what you look like. 0.95

01:08:54.700 That's a fool's errand. 0.98

01:08:57.820 Let's see. 0.99

01:08:58.860 Wattario Vids for $5.

01:09:00.660 Thank you very much.

01:09:01.420 Anyone giving Jon Stewart an interview at this point doesn't know what he's going to pull on them is incredibly blind or naive.

01:09:07.260 Yeah, it really is.

01:09:08.420 It really is a mistake, right?

01:09:11.280 And I, again, I don't know.

01:09:13.080 I feel you feel like he is desperate for people at this point. 0.98

01:09:16.300 Like no mainstream conservative and no mainstream politician at this point is kind of foolish enough to walk into this blender. 0.81

01:09:26.700 So it had to have been, you know, there's a reason that you're getting a state senator from Oklahoma. 0.97

01:09:31.520 It's probably the only person who he could kind of fool into this.

01:09:34.860 But, yes, everyone should.

01:09:35.960 This should be just like GOP boot camp 101, okay?

01:09:39.040 Don't put yourself in these situations.

01:09:42.100 Creeper Weirdo for $2.

01:09:43.540 But my centrist buddy says, yeah, again, you know, he's probably putting himself in this situation because he feels like Jon Stewart's got a big audience.

01:09:51.040 And I can, you know, I've got the force of argument on my side.

01:09:55.260 I'm telling the truth.

01:09:56.240 So these people will eventually be swayed.

01:09:58.240 I can reach out to the centrist audience.

01:10:00.720 But, again, when you know this person has total control over what is being said, when you know this person is going to be able to control everything that you're talking about,

01:10:09.880 you should know that you're really not going to get the opportunity to kind of speak to his audience in a honest way.

01:10:18.080 Let's see.

01:10:21.040 A creeper weirdo here for $5.

01:10:23.440 Look closely and you can see George Soros over his shoulder, feeding him money and talking points.

01:10:28.680 Yeah, again, amazing that we're not noticing that these George Soros prosecutors are contributing directly to more violent people being on the street, right?

01:10:37.720 Again, we know that's the case.

01:10:39.800 That's directly what they're doing.

01:10:41.740 At no point does Stewart even mention this because, of course, that's not the goal, right?

01:10:46.440 We're here to dunk on somebody.

01:10:47.640 We're here to push gun control.

01:10:48.800 We're not actually interested in any kind of wider discussion on why society is this way.

01:10:54.400 He certainly doesn't want to address issues of fatherlessness.

01:10:57.320 He doesn't want to address issues in specific communities.

01:10:59.920 He doesn't want to talk about disparities in violence.

01:11:03.160 He doesn't want to talk about communities in which gun ownership is a total positive and the sheriffs and law enforcement are fine.

01:11:08.400 He doesn't want to talk about the fact that the left and the Democrats and the media have been pushing for early releases, reductions in penalties, lack of prosecution, and all these things that are going to lead to far more violent criminals being on the street and committing these crimes.

01:11:23.360 Jon Stewart's going to stand on his soapbox.

01:11:25.280 He's going to tell about, oh, you don't give an F about kids.

01:11:27.820 But what he's definitely not going to do is actually do anything that shows he gives an F about the issue, right?

01:11:32.340 He's not going to take it seriously.

01:11:33.580 It's all about grandstanding.

01:11:34.960 It's all about this one issue.

01:11:36.120 He's not willing to entertain any other subject during the debate.

01:11:40.840 And to his credit, for what he's doing, that's exactly what he should do because he's not there to convince the state senator.

01:11:48.800 He knows he's not going to convince the state senator.

01:11:50.520 He's not there to convince any of the state senator's audience or any of their constituents. 1.00

01:11:55.140 He's there to embarrass this guy and make it look to people in the center and to the left like there is no intelligent opinion and that he's just this master class debater that can destroy these people because they're so stupid and they're so easy to run rings around. 1.00

01:12:11.840 Let's see. 1.00

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01:12:16.040 New full auto machine guns were legal up until May 86.

01:12:21.520 Kids brought guns to buses and lockers here in Kentucky.

01:12:27.240 No mass shootings.

01:12:28.420 The only way to fix this is to have people care about the sanctity of human life.

01:12:33.340 Yeah, I mean, of course, right?

01:12:35.120 This is a huge point that, of course, they're never going to address, which is why are mass shootings a thing now?

01:12:40.240 And the answer is a lot of stuff, right?

01:12:43.420 Is social media and media coverage are huge parts of this.

01:12:46.880 People can become celebrities and go out in a blaze of glory.

01:12:50.040 That's a massive part of this.

01:12:51.840 And these firearms existed way back in the 80s, the 70s, and we did not have this stuff, right?

01:13:00.380 So the things that have changed over time is not just the accessibility of these firearms.

01:13:04.640 In fact, there are far more restrictions on who can own something like a fully automatic weapon in the United States.

01:13:11.480 And that has not changed the fact that we're getting these mass shootings.

01:13:14.840 In fact, the number of mass shootings is much, much higher than it was in something like the 1980s.

01:13:20.960 Of course, it depends on how you define mass shootings.

01:13:23.280 Obviously, they specifically avoid pointing to things like gang shootings and things as mass shootings.

01:13:30.080 Only shootings that are done predominantly by white students in schools count as mass shootings.

01:13:37.920 Nothing else does.

01:13:39.540 They specifically avoid those statistics to make sure that we don't have the wrong narrative there mixed up.

01:13:46.060 Let's see.

01:13:48.060 I think we got at least one more super chat here.

01:13:50.820 Oh, a couple more.

01:13:53.280 Thuggo here for $10.

01:13:56.280 What do drag shows have to do with freedom of speech? 0.90

01:13:58.580 Well, you should ask David French.

01:13:59.920 I've been told that they're a blessing of liberty.

01:14:03.120 Yeah, again, obviously, we know that the state has the ability to limit these kind of performances, especially to children, right?

01:14:13.740 That's been upheld many times by the Supreme Court.

01:14:18.200 This would have been a very common thing.

01:14:19.980 If you had tried to show anyone this kind of performance and say that it should be presented to a child through almost all of human history, they would have become very angry with you.

01:14:30.780 And there probably would have been very immediate consequences for your desire to expose children to this, regardless of what the law was.

01:14:39.240 But the law would have totally backed them up on the inappropriateness of that kind of presentation to a child.

01:14:46.740 George Washington, you know, Thomas Jefferson, these guys would not have understood free speech as drag shows story time or whatever.

01:14:56.440 And so it's very clear that it has nothing to do with it.

01:14:59.960 And the state has total interest in regulating and protecting children from that.

01:15:03.860 But again, Jon Stewart's not going to take both sides of that argument, right?

01:15:08.480 He's not going to be like, OK, I am fine with gun control.

01:15:10.420 And also, I'm going to ban this stuff.

01:15:12.000 Same thing with the border, all this stuff.

01:15:13.480 It's wildly dishonest. 0.99

01:15:14.500 He said he's trying to show the GOP state senator as a hypocrite without at any point addressing the fact that he's totally hypocritical on all of these issues at every point. 0.97

01:15:24.160 Because it's not about hypocrisy. 0.98

01:15:25.580 It's about hierarchy.

01:15:27.420 Adam E for $5.

01:15:29.840 We've seen how voter registration has been manipulated for desired outcomes.

01:15:33.860 So why wouldn't gun registration?

01:15:35.780 Excellent point.

01:15:36.500 Really good one, Adam, actually there.

01:15:38.420 Yeah, right.

01:15:38.820 We know that voter registration is manipulated and that that has had significant impacts on elections.

01:15:45.720 I'm still not sure what YouTube feels about that.

01:15:48.920 So we're just going to say that elections have been fortified with voter registration on a regular basis.

01:15:56.240 So, yeah.

01:15:57.060 And this is what the left is all about, right?

01:15:59.100 They want this power so they can manipulate procedural outcomes, right?

01:16:02.000 This power is secured initially to only be used in a specific scenario in a particular way.

01:16:08.060 And then over time, the people who control the system are able to manipulate it and go through the procedure and show that, you know, well, actually, these people were violating it, even though that was not the initial intention or whatever.

01:16:20.160 And now the state just punishes its enemies with this power over and over again.

01:16:23.660 So, yes, you're 100% right that, you know, you let a red flag law happen. 0.74

01:16:30.480 And then it turns out that, you know, the FBI investigates anyone who goes to a Latin mass.

01:16:36.020 And so actually going to a traditional Catholic service red flags you, right?

01:16:40.940 And all of a sudden, this thing that was supposed to initially stop violent crime is now just a tool of the regime to de-arm anyone they think might disagree with them.

01:16:50.200 So, glow in the dark for $2, framing is 75% to 90% of any argument.

01:16:55.920 Yeah, see, that's the thing.

01:16:57.120 If you're in an argument, if you're specifically in an argument, you're in a debate, framing is everything, right?

01:17:03.020 And that shouldn't be the case.

01:17:04.620 In an actual conversation with someone who is really interested in your opinion and wants to have their mind changed and wants to understand things, you should be able to work inside like an honest and mutual frame, right?

01:17:16.140 But if you're not, if you're at odds and the person who you are talking with doesn't like what you're saying, they're going to reframe, right?

01:17:26.240 And you need to understand that.

01:17:27.320 You have to be ready for that.

01:17:28.260 You cannot expect someone to be honest on this kind of issue.

01:17:32.980 Glow in the dark here for $10.

01:17:34.500 You need to make a video or article about Jon Stewart or people like him about his tactics and tricks.

01:17:39.340 Raise your case for purposes.

01:17:40.460 Give examples from old videos to show he always was this slimy man.

01:17:44.680 Thank you very much, Glow in the dark.

01:17:45.640 Yeah, I thought about this, but that's why I actually started this series because I felt like it was better to break these things down, right?

01:17:52.120 So I feel like it's more useful to like read these articles, talk about what's happening, go ahead and, you know, start and stop the video so we can interject and like pick this apart.

01:18:02.480 If I do it in an article, it's a little more complicated.

01:18:04.780 It's harder to pull apart pieces of media quite the same way when you do it in purely written form.

01:18:09.480 So that's actually why I thought about doing a written series on it.

01:18:13.100 But I actually decided to turn these into live streams because I just feel like it's a far more effective way to kind of do the thing that you're talking about.

01:18:20.460 But I do hope these things are helpful.

01:18:21.860 I hope understanding this, why the rhetoric is used the way it is, why these people approach the way they do, how they use these tactics.

01:18:28.760 It's helpful for people to break down and understand kind of why this is dishonest and why you need to prepare for that.

01:18:34.560 That said, guys, going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:18:37.060 Thank you, everyone, for coming by.

01:18:38.760 Thank you so much for the super chats.

01:18:40.740 Appreciate everybody who stopped by.

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01:18:59.300 Of course, guys, you can catch all of this stuff on Blaze TV.

01:19:03.180 And I believe my newest column for the Blaze will probably be up today.

01:19:06.500 I think they're putting out today.

01:19:07.620 If not, it'll be up tomorrow morning.

01:19:08.760 But I think it'll be out today.

01:19:09.940 So you should check that out as well.

01:19:11.580 And I believe that Academic Agent is starting his stream right now.

01:19:15.460 So if you want to go over and check out Academic Agent's stream, if you want to go ahead and watch that, you should definitely do that as well.

01:19:21.280 Thanks for coming by, guys.

01:19:22.740 And as always, I'll talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - March 08, 2023

How Jon Stewart Uses Framing to Lie About Gun Control ｜ 3⧸8⧸23

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