The Auron MacIntyre Show - How the SPLC Funded the KKK ｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 4⧸24⧸26

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00:00:51.400 subscription today. All right, guys, we talked about it briefly on Wednesday, but the story

00:00:59.360 about the SPLC and the Trump administration indicting it is absolutely massive. It has

00:01:04.800 huge ramifications, and I had to dedicate an entire episode to it because it is so

00:01:09.740 consequential. Joining me today to break this down is, of course, one of our favorite co-hosts,

00:01:14.200 Matthew Williams, the Prudentialist. Thank you so much for coming on, man.

00:01:17.340 Yeah, thanks for having me on, Oren. It's always a pleasure. And after reading that indictment,

00:01:21.080 I just feel like I'm in the wrong kind of right-wing activism for cash.

00:01:24.980 Yeah, the joke has been made many times already, but it's very clear that the left is better

00:01:31.100 at paying right-wing activists than the right-wing is.

00:01:36.180 You're more likely to get a paying job from the SPLC as a right-wing activist than you

00:01:40.360 are from major conservative institutions, which should really explain a lot about how

00:01:44.580 we got where we are.

00:01:45.740 That said, just let's give the broad strokes for people who are not familiar with the story.

00:01:53.120 The Trump administration has brought charges against the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:01:58.720 This is a key organization.

00:02:01.060 I want people to understand this is not just some charity somewhere.

00:02:04.520 The SPLC is a critical node in the Progressive Cathedral.

00:02:08.940 It is both an information gathering arm and a social enforcement arm.

00:02:13.340 It collates a lot of data. It goes after a lot of people. It applies constant pressure to people who are as innocuous as daily wire hosts all the way up to what, as we'll see, like people who are considered more radically right wing involved in various groups that are often considered forbidden.

00:02:31.180 and it is constantly putting a target on these people's back.

00:02:35.960 I think rightly so.

00:02:37.700 Elon Musk said that the SPLC was partly responsible

00:02:40.860 for the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:02:42.980 And I don't think that's in any way overstating the case.

00:02:46.320 These are people who are specifically going out of their way

00:02:49.100 to engender hate, to oversell the idea

00:02:51.520 that there's an incredible danger,

00:02:52.880 as we'll see from conservatives from the right wing,

00:02:55.860 that law enforcement needs to take specific action

00:02:58.880 and they are constantly blasting on the website

00:03:01.060 But on top of this, they serve a far more important function.

00:03:05.020 They are plugged in to basically every law enforcement agency, corporation, all of these

00:03:11.420 organizations across the United States, and they are the ones that often frame the idea

00:03:15.840 of right-wing extremism, define what it is, how it should be fought, and they are the

00:03:20.520 ones that feed all this information to these different local law enforcement operations.

00:03:24.420 They're known for training FBI agents.

00:03:26.940 this is a huge organization with a massive amount of funding and influence so what were the nature

00:03:33.340 of the charges how much has the SPLC spent bribing members of like the KKK yeah so the

00:03:41.740 indictment came out from the Department of Justice I think this was late Tuesday evening is when I

00:03:47.940 got all the text messages from friends letting me know that hey I'm in the wrong line of work if I

00:03:53.040 ever wanted to get cash. But I mean, patronage jokes aside, the acting U.S. attorney had put

00:03:59.080 forward the indictment. And specifically, it's with regards to Title 18 of U.S. Code Section

00:04:04.800 1956A, 1B, all the subsections included. Basically, it's just money laundering that

00:04:12.000 they're specifically focusing on, that there have been numerous counts over the years since

00:04:16.580 the early 2000s up till today, that the SPLC has engaged through fake entities with various banks

00:04:24.200 that were federally insured through the FDIC to basically launder their money and to pay

00:04:29.520 individuals that were considered as informants or field sources. And it's very interesting when we

00:04:36.320 read, like you mentioned, it's all tapped into the law enforcement connections and the network

00:04:40.360 and everything therein. We can read the indictment. It's 14 pages. It's pretty succinct.

00:04:44.880 And when we look at it, it feels very similar, if not, you know, the exact same kind of structure that we would see just from the other side on a prosecutorial side that we would see from like the FBI giving a report, you know, adding to the evidence or testimony saying, this is how we have provided all of our information and investigation by the books to prove that this person is, you know, worthy to be charged or worthy to be indicted on XYZ count.

00:05:08.560 It's the same thing that we've seen with how the SPLC has operated throughout the years.

00:05:12.700 They work very closely with law enforcement.

00:05:14.660 They have been considered the, you know, there are equivalent of hope, not hate in a lot of ways when it comes to, say, our friends across the pond.

00:05:21.320 They have operated for years working with, you know, on the ground sources, working with Antifa and numerous other organizations to dox individuals on the right, whether we would consider them radical far-rightists or just individuals like Charlie Kirk or anyone working at the Daily Wire.

00:05:37.480 and i'm sure plenty of you know blaze tv hosts as well will one day make the list or has already

00:05:42.520 been called out for it in the past so to see this it's important for us to understand this

00:05:46.600 is just the indictment this still has to be go through all the legal channels this can take

00:05:51.160 several months if not years when it comes to trying to target individuals for these kind of

00:05:56.520 crimes but i think that this is a step in the right direction that opens up a wide can of worms

00:06:01.320 like you said this exposes really things that we've already taken for granted over the years

00:06:06.040 That the SPLC has worked with numerous groups on the ground and has coordinated information and has used money to try and sway people over to either betray their cause or to act as informants and get other individuals doxed for adhering to principles and beliefs that the SPLC doesn't like.

00:06:22.660 Yeah, there's so much there that's critical.

00:06:25.380 So first, as you say, this is something that we all assumed was going on.

00:06:30.940 We knew it was going on, but it needed to be proved.

00:06:33.520 And obviously, it was clear that no one in the government was really interested in taking these steps.

00:06:37.960 Now, after the death of Charlie Kirk, myself and many others got out there and were pretty vocal about the need to put pressure on Antifa, but not just Antifa, but all of this network of leftist NGOs that are furthering that agenda, that are pushing the hate, that are encouraging the violence, that are obviously inspiring.

00:06:55.000 and in many cases, it turns out, funding these operations. We knew this was going on, but we

00:07:00.780 needed someone in government with the courage to prove it. Now, the Trump administration took a

00:07:05.280 long time, longer than I'd like, but I understand that these cases require a lot of buildup. As you

00:07:11.100 say, this can take months or years. You want to get this right. You don't want them to wriggle

00:07:15.200 out of it, especially when you drop the first big hammer. And this is obviously the first big

00:07:19.780 hammer in this investigation, but that doesn't mean it needs to stop here. And I hope it doesn't

00:07:24.360 stop here. If we see this pattern, we can recognize that it's not just the SPLC that is involved in

00:07:32.360 this kind of behavior. It's very likely that other organizations like the ADL are being used

00:07:39.640 in this manner and operate in a very similar way. Black Lives Matter, all of these organizations

00:07:45.700 can be taken down piece by piece by looking at their books. And as you say, the crime being 0.97

00:07:52.380 committed here is not necessarily infiltrating these organizations. Someone like James O'Keefe

00:07:57.540 does that on a regular basis doing investigative journalism. The crime here, the way you actually

00:08:03.540 catch them Al Capone style is to look at the bookkeeping, right? Because they took that money

00:08:09.840 under false pretenses telling their supporters that that money was going to fight these organizations

00:08:15.160 and instead was going to fund these organizations. That's one deception. But the big change comes

00:08:21.900 when you're laundering that money.

00:08:23.540 They put that money through, you know,

00:08:26.320 the different organizations, shell companies

00:08:28.380 that were not real companies,

00:08:29.720 that were not real organizations.

00:08:31.400 And they did that in order to hide their tracks

00:08:33.620 when they were sending this money 0.92

00:08:34.580 to people in the Aryan Brotherhood

00:08:36.200 and the KKK and all of these other places.

00:08:39.400 So you have wire fraud, allegedly,

00:08:42.160 that took place in the middle of, you know,

00:08:44.640 the commission of a crime

00:08:45.940 while you were attempting to set this up.

00:08:47.780 And this opens up so many other possibilities

00:08:50.620 because look you know there's we can pretend this is conspiracy theory land but we're well

00:08:56.660 beyond conspiracy theory like this is just the confirmation of a conspiracy like this is a

00:09:01.760 conspiracy that the SPLC you know got together and committed and it's very clear as you say that

00:09:10.040 they worked with the FBI they've trained the FBI they've trained law enforcement agencies

00:09:14.980 multiple government agencies it is in no way crazy to speculate that these people are functionally

00:09:23.040 cutouts for the u.s government that they are a way for the fbi or other aspects of the government

00:09:29.260 to fund organizations that they need to exist so they can increase their power again we can't prove

00:09:36.860 any of that yet but there's a high likelihood that there is some linkage there that that this is in

00:09:43.400 the same way that the government used social media corporations to censor ideas around COVID,

00:09:49.720 the government can indirectly use places like the SPLC or the ADL to destroy their political enemies

00:09:57.100 without their fingerprints being directly on this. And when we look at the list of people who are

00:10:01.920 paid off, it's not just $300,000 to the Aryan Brotherhood or the money to the KKK leaders.

00:10:08.480 It's also about $270 or $270,000 that went to some unnamed person involved with the Unite the Right rally in Virginia, which has famously become a flashpoint for cracking down on the right, calling them dangerous, saying that they're terrorists, saying that serious action needs to be taken.

00:10:29.120 So the question becomes, how much of things like the Unite the Right rally were just funded by the federal government or a proxy like the SPLC or ADL?

00:10:43.380 And what does this mean for something like January 6th, where we had a high degree of FBI involvement in the crowd, right?

00:10:50.640 Now, we'll get into perhaps Fed jacketing here in a second, but just the possible implications, the number of doors this opens into kind of just everything we believe about the climate in the United States, this could be earth shattering if done correctly.

00:11:09.000 absolutely and again this is just one major event and one indictment against a left-wing

00:11:18.780 organization very similar to how we've already seen this administration target very specific

00:11:23.880 uh chapters or cells of antifa internationally specifically and mainly in europe to be labeled

00:11:31.340 as foreign terrorist organizations and again these things are all great first steps and when we read

00:11:36.660 the indictment and we see the reactions, we understand that this is a very deep can of worms

00:11:42.480 that's being opened. And I think that it's important for us to consider that these things

00:11:47.000 are still unfolding. It raises a lot of questions as well as a lot of confirmation bias that is on

00:11:52.640 here already about, well, these are things that we've known about or we know that the left has

00:11:57.520 worked with both the government and various organizations like the Southern Poverty Law

00:12:01.980 center throughout history. I mean, it's kind of strange to think that even, you know, conservatives

00:12:07.080 or neocons of all stripes that we don't like, even Lindsey Graham knows that like the SPLC

00:12:11.640 is nothing but a slime ball throwing, you know, joke of an organization that he's been talking

00:12:18.220 about in Congress for years. And so a lot of this has been, I think, you know, a hefty amount of

00:12:22.600 confirmation of things that we've already known. And it raises a lot of questions about where does

00:12:27.860 genuine you know right-wing activism in the united states have a place especially when you know

00:12:33.020 we've seen you know january 6th or what's happened in charlottesville with the unite the right rally

00:12:37.880 be used so often either to dissuade against activism or to see groups engaging in lawful

00:12:43.740 activism be labeled as you know federal informants or agitators or things like that and i mean it's

00:12:49.820 important for us to sort of recognize that in the modern consciousness of sort of the right

00:12:54.180 You know, we've known about, you know, these kind of things happening since Janet Reno was the head of the DOJ under Bill Clinton, going after militia groups and those, you know, advocating for literature and being hosting conferences and things like that, working hand in hand with investigative journalists, those aligned with Antifa and those aligned with groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and others.

00:13:16.340 So it's good for us to see that finally some kind of action is being taken place against one of the largest left-wing NGO nonprofit groups in the country.

00:13:27.760 But the SPLC is just one of countless hundreds in which money and grants can then be levied against and thrown at so that they can fund their little operations and dox Twitter users that make funny jokes and happens to be one of the funniest people on the timeline.

00:13:42.660 It just really goes to show that there's a lot that's going to be unfolding as this investigation continues. I hope that it remains as public as humanly possible so we have more information to discuss as the case unfolds.

00:13:55.640 But I really do think that at the end of the day, Oren, this kind of conversation is good confirmation bias because we do know that the SPLC has doxed and harassed countless numbers of our friends and our colleagues throughout the years, those that we've met, those who we would consider, you know, old hats and this sort of thing of ours.

00:14:15.620 But at the same time, you know, it also raises the question that, well, what can we do about it outside of just pointing out the obvious?

00:14:23.780 And again, I think more pressure needs to be made on our end to start looking at, you know, there should be a data Republican type character for every left wing NGO in 990.

00:14:33.180 I mean, this is what made Doge so scary in the first year of the Trump administration.

00:14:37.780 That kind of work needs to be also delegated to looking exactly at where we see these tendrils of this hydra of left wing money going into because it's like the SPLC is just one node.

00:14:50.040 but we know that you have Bellingcat cutouts, you've got Jason Wilson, and you've got Decoherence

00:14:55.820 Media, you've got plenty of other podcasts and Antifa-aligned networks that are all working in

00:15:01.220 coordination with each other. They all talk to each other one way or another. This is not, you know,

00:15:05.860 some sort of conspiratorial thinking. These are things that have been discussed for years on the

00:15:10.920 political right, from individuals working on the Hill to individual activists in the middle of

00:15:16.820 nowhere Iowa. These aren't things that are going to be radical or earth-shattering to the average

00:15:22.360 listener. But I think it really does come to show that where we're at now, that this indictment

00:15:27.660 should hopefully give us, and I pray that Discovery gets really interesting, that they'll

00:15:32.340 be able to pull out more information about where this money was being spent and what other groups

00:15:38.600 have been doing the same kind of actions. Because again, this is the same organization that has

00:15:43.040 worked in tandem with groups like the adl with groups like the fbi you know part of our entire

00:15:49.000 intelligence apparatus for domestic law enforcement you know um academic agent had said the same thing

00:15:54.480 several years ago i think on you know gb news where it's like well if you want to investigate

00:15:58.660 hope not hate eventually you're gonna have to deal with the uncomfortable fact you're investigating

00:16:01.940 mi5 and it's the same thing here in america like we're gonna have to deal with the uh unfortunate

00:16:06.820 fact that you're gonna be investigating the fbi and the intelligence community and that runs into

00:16:11.200 some very you know serious danger to individuals livelihoods and i think that you know even seeing

00:16:16.720 this kind of indictments very good and a very positive step but it is going to come to the

00:16:21.640 fact that you know you are going up against the deep state here and this is just one tendril of

00:16:25.660 it and a very important one i i think people need to grasp how critical a node the spLC really is

00:16:33.460 to this whole network because as i said they're they're they're connected to everybody they define

00:16:38.460 things like anti-Semitism. They define things like, you know, like racism. They get to set

00:16:45.240 the tone for all of this. They get to go into organizations and decide what action could be

00:16:50.200 taken. The whole narrative about, you know, some white supremacist terrorism being the greatest

00:16:56.520 domestic threat that we heard repeated over and over from guys like Christopher Wray, that comes

00:17:01.340 from the SPLC. Like they're literally funding that to make sure that notable figures stay in that

00:17:07.920 position or generate that level of, uh, of being scared, uh, that, that kind of motivates people

00:17:13.860 to hand over power to these organizations. And so, as you say, I have no doubt that the FBI and

00:17:20.960 many different government actors were completely aware of this relationship the entire time.

00:17:25.720 However, I hope, you know, we see it this way and I hope the Trump administration sees it this way.

00:17:30.700 I hope they see this case as just a crowbar peeling off the manhole cover of the sewer that

00:17:37.540 is the entire progressive system right like this is not the slam dunk this is not the final

00:17:42.680 salvo this is the opening salvo this is this is how you even get started because once you have

00:17:48.760 that discovery once you have the legal ability as you say to start looking through those documents

00:17:53.400 start pulling through everything and by the way this is where doge would be really useful

00:17:57.980 ai obviously is a huge tool to get through all these documents all these different briefs all

00:18:04.900 these different tax filings, everything that could be involved. One of the problems that the Trump

00:18:08.900 administration has right now is they just don't have enough manpower. They can't get enough people

00:18:13.240 into these organizations. They can't replace enough people who are actually going to do

00:18:16.720 what the administration asks them to do. And so they're working at a basically a much, much

00:18:22.580 smaller staff because they have a bunch of people who are useless, who sit around and 0.95

00:18:27.020 take up the jobs or they can't even hire new people into them. And so if you have AI or

00:18:32.540 something that allows you to greatly reduce the workload of getting through all of this

00:18:36.360 documentation, that's massive. But obviously these organizations are critical. The ones that are

00:18:42.000 being funded by the SPLC are critical in creating this idea that there's this constant right-wing

00:18:50.920 threat to the United States. One of the kind of storylines that's going around right now is

00:18:56.860 racism is in such low supply that they have to basically fund it. You have to artificially

00:19:02.440 prop it up and that's obviously clear to some extent at least violent right-wing extremism

00:19:09.040 simply does not exist at the level the government needs it to exist and so they have to fund its

00:19:14.460 last few you know possible parishioners uh rather than uh fold up shop and admit that this isn't

00:19:21.100 really a threat that needs to be worried about anymore however there is a a counterbalance to

00:19:26.380 this um there's a lot that's going to come out of this i think this is going to be good overall

00:19:30.500 But I've already seen the attempt to do two things. One is to say, well, everyone I don't like was a Fed from the beginning, right? Like everything that someone said was because they were funded by the government. It's all SPLC dollars. And so I can just look at the guy I disagree with most and say, actually, that guy probably works for the SPLC. He's probably getting those checks. So we can discount anything that person said. We can slander them.

00:19:59.340 The other thing I'm seeing is a lot of people saying, well, this shows that there wasn't really any right wing movement. There is no real right wing cultural movement. It's all funded. It's all fake. And so really, uh, it's, it's the, it's the center left guys. It's the, I didn't leave the left, the left left me. It's the IDW guys. They were right all along the real, you know, power, the real interest, the real political will is all like basically center left or moderate conservative.

00:20:26.700 there are there is no general right-wing uh shift in mentality over the generation and i i can just

00:20:33.560 you know call everybody woke right and sit there you know smugly and and feel like i won because

00:20:38.800 uh everybody who disagrees with me on the right they're they're probably funded by the spLC it's

00:20:43.780 all fake and look here i am big brain guy sitting in the center uh and i'm you know vindicated by

00:20:49.780 the fact that there never really was any uh organic right-wing push yeah and i mean we've

00:20:55.540 seen this throughout just even our short time working in politics as well as you know we look

00:21:02.240 at the the history of just um the conservative movement in general since the 1940s has really

00:21:09.100 been this case where it's either accusations of being deliberately subversive working with

00:21:14.560 law enforcement taking money from a foreign or a wealthy billionaire and things like that these sort

00:21:20.620 of basic just labels that we're going to throw at someone because there are scarlet letters.

00:21:25.600 And we know that when we're online or even in person, everyone is afraid of being called

00:21:31.600 subversive, an agent of Russia, a Fed. I mean, you know, think of any sort of, you know,

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00:22:10.780 And all of a sudden now that is a nice label

00:22:13.860 that you can use as sort of a thought-terminating

00:22:15.980 label to simply say, you're identified as the enemy or a subversive agent. And by doing so,

00:22:23.020 we are now going to just disregard anything that this organization, person, cause, or group is

00:22:28.880 doing. We've seen this with Buckley in the past. We've seen this also when it comes to McCarthy

00:22:36.020 as well. In his whole era, we saw the same thing with the John Birch Society in the 1960s and

00:22:41.620 70s um and their you know ability to engage politically and fight and rally against sort of

00:22:47.320 the uh vietnam war and things like that and of course we need to be very clear that like while

00:22:52.700 you know this jacketing and these like label claims do exist it's not like there aren't foreign

00:22:58.080 actors or shills or whatever term that you want to use that exist obviously the the discerning eye

00:23:04.600 should understand what they're being involved in and how that they're going to organize and engage

00:23:09.180 politically. But at the same time, this sort of deal here is going to operate and open a wide

00:23:15.340 degree of rewriting history of political action. And I think that that's probably not in our best

00:23:22.300 interest because I think it's very important for us to get our facts straight. The left already

00:23:26.540 has a pretty strong narrative control over what's considered political history. I mean,

00:23:31.580 this is the good people on both sides live from Charlottesville has been told enough times when

00:23:36.760 it comes to Trump's statements on the issue. It was allegedly the reason why Joe Biden ran for

00:23:41.120 office in 2020. And of course, when we take a look at, you know, all of the various parts in

00:23:46.340 the indictment, you know, you have organizations with very specific individuals, whether it's the

00:23:51.520 United Clans of America in 2013, or, you know, these extremist files on their webpage regarding

00:23:58.440 the National Alliance from 2016 to 2023, $140,000. But also at the same time, on the other side of

00:24:05.460 this coin, we also realized that, like, well, this sounds really similar to what happened with

00:24:09.960 the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot, that there was someone who was getting paid as a confidential

00:24:14.980 informant by the FBI for a considerable amount of money, at least for someone trying to organize

00:24:20.060 an action like that. And so I think overall, you know, those are some of the discursive things

00:24:25.840 that we're going to have to navigate. But I do agree with you, like, this is where we need to

00:24:29.980 start using, you know, the tools available with AI. We need to have like a million data Republicans

00:24:36.320 going through 990s and investigating bank records, doing some of this freedom of information request

00:24:42.320 kind of thing with the state and federal level. That way we can identify, all right, is there

00:24:46.760 potential criminality going on on the bank level? Is there a conspiracy? What else can we find for

00:24:53.060 criminal charges to do this? Because as with all other actions that this administration has done

00:24:58.440 in a positive right-wing direction, these are all fantastic starts. And I am very glad to see that

00:25:04.460 the Justice Department is moving in this direction. But as with all great first starts,

00:25:10.640 you know, this is a great first step. There's so much more that needs to be done on top of this,

00:25:15.340 and we should be behooving the administration and the Justice Department to looking into this

00:25:19.600 or assigning some kind of advisory task force that, you know, the president has, similar to

00:25:25.360 what like doge was at the beginning of the administration along with elon musk that now

00:25:29.660 that we can have a team entirely dedicated similar to what the vice president is doing with the fraud

00:25:34.400 task force explicitly looking at the you know ngo octopus whatever you want to call it of just

00:25:43.220 left-wing anti-hate monitoring because so oftentimes they get listed as well we're a arts and culture

00:25:49.920 NGO or we're a, you know, um, philanthropic organization dedicated to civic engagement,

00:25:56.880 all these nice, you know, professional progressive titles that allow them to just basically work

00:26:02.740 hand in hand with left-wing terrorists to facilitate the country can only move in one

00:26:06.920 direction, or they'll bring the hammer of the, uh, the law enforcement agencies against you.

00:26:11.460 And we already saw that with January 6th, where people have been doxxed by using and just going

00:26:17.080 through a million different photos on the J6 database with the FBI that's still up with this

00:26:22.240 administration in the same way that, you know, we've seen countless photos that where people

00:26:26.100 will just sit on them and wait for a convenient time to dox them and work in coordination

00:26:30.680 with the respective law enforcement agencies on a state and federal level. And so I think that

00:26:35.440 this, again, is a great first step, but it's now going to be a really interesting environment to

00:26:41.100 communicate, you know, these right-wing ideas or how to even just message to people that there are

00:26:46.300 ways that you can get involved locally that doesn't require you to get called a fed or require

00:26:51.540 you to somehow take a check from the SPLC. Yeah. And guys, I want to let you know that we're

00:26:57.840 not live today, so we can't answer any of your chats. Sorry about that. I'll put a reminder.

00:27:02.860 But we appreciate your money. That's right. We don't have any of the SPLC money, so we gotta...

00:27:09.360 We'd be driving a lot nicer cars if we did. That's right. But yeah, I think it's critical

00:27:15.940 as i said for people to grasp how this can just be the toe in the water because i am very sure 0.52

00:27:24.000 that the smallest crime that the splc has committed is wire fraud like i am sure that

00:27:31.220 there is a much much wider network involved here and that with very little amount of discovery

00:27:38.140 ability you're going to be able to find all kinds of other things that they're connected to other

00:27:43.320 organizations that they are interacting with. There, of course, is a lot of question when you

00:27:48.460 have this level of government overlap, whether or not you can discover the level of insidious

00:27:57.280 connections they were allowed to cultivate inside places like the FBI. Is Kash Patel willing to risk

00:28:05.480 some of the reputation of the FBI in order to, you know, ultimately expose the level of access

00:28:13.840 that the SPLC had, or perhaps control, or, you know, vice versa, which I don't know which way

00:28:20.200 that would have flowed, but are they willing to go out there and really go after it this way?

00:28:25.540 Are they really willing to put that on the table? I'll say this, the Trump administration could use

00:28:30.060 some wins. It could really use some wins right now. I don't know if we're going to get out of

00:28:35.500 this war. I don't know if this is going to stretch into the midterms. I don't know what's going to

00:28:40.780 happen. What I do know is people want to see domestic wins. They want to see domestic Ws on 0.83

00:28:46.080 the board. One of the things that Trump explicitly promised to do, what people like Kash Patel

00:28:51.080 explicitly promised to do, was to go after the corruption, go after the corrupt elite, put people

00:28:56.780 in jail who deserve to be put in jail. That's what people wanted from Donald Trump. They didn't want

00:29:02.520 a bunch of check marks. They didn't want a bunch of slogans. They didn't want to talk about lowering

00:29:08.240 the effective tax rate. What they wanted to hear was, I know that these people are willing to go

00:29:15.320 after me and my children and you and your children, and I'm going to protect you by making sure that

00:29:21.180 the organizations that operate in the United States, including the official government

00:29:25.680 organizations are above the board, that they work for you, that they're not actively creating some

00:29:31.640 kind of other agenda. And it is very clear from the outset that SPLC had a great hand in cultivating

00:29:38.440 that agenda across both government organizations and private corporations. And they need to pay

00:29:43.600 for that. But again, it's the connection to everything else, connections to law enforcement,

00:29:47.760 connections to other organizations. How much do they scratch each other's backs, right? Like we

00:29:52.160 know that the SPLC goes out and farms many of its people to other organizations and teaches them how

00:29:58.660 to do activism or manipulate systems, all those things. Every one of those are now in some way

00:30:04.040 probably investigatable by opening up this manhole cover, by getting access to the sewer.

00:30:10.220 And you absolutely need to see the Trump administration go after them. Whether

00:30:13.620 this makes the government look bad or not should really not be a factor at all. In fact,

00:30:18.820 the worse this makes establishment government institutions look, the better. Guys, I understand

00:30:24.820 that now technically you're standing in front of the FBI building or you're wearing the pin and you

00:30:29.820 think you somehow owe these people something or this is somehow tied to your personal well-being.

00:30:36.040 It is not. Let me promise you, you want to get the Trump voters to come home. You want to get

00:30:42.540 everyone back on side. You want to see a unified front real quick. Start showing us how you're

00:30:48.300 going to lock up everybody who's involved in connecting the SPLC to the FBI, using both

00:30:54.880 organizations as a way to pressure and hurt average conservatives. Show me how you're going to shut

00:31:01.640 down all of these organizations who are ultimately pushing for the assassination of people like

00:31:07.400 Charlie Kirk. Show us you can do that. And that's going to get you a lot of goodwill. You're going

00:31:12.460 to get a lot of forgiveness and a lot of positive points by making that happen. So I really, I really

00:31:18.200 encourage the trump administration here shoot for the moon on this one okay i know you got to do

00:31:22.760 your due diligence but if you show us up front that you can make a difference people will be

00:31:28.700 far more motivated in places like the midterms to show up and keep you around this is a great time

00:31:34.240 to show how important it is for the trump administration to stay in power to stay in

00:31:38.760 control do not get bogged down in a bunch of hearings and charges and impeachments and

00:31:45.140 everything else that will happen if the Democrats gain control of the House, but actually show

00:31:49.780 people that if they arrive at the polls and they mark the right box, someone's going to pay for

00:31:55.020 the crimes they committed. And a sinister part of the United States government and the larger

00:32:00.480 NGO apparatus will fall. Show people that and they will show up to the polls.

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00:32:37.080 how the SPLC operates it's not just the FBI but it's also with journalists especially I mean

00:32:45.960 think of every major journalist that allegedly gets the inside scoop where things have to be

00:32:51.640 constructed after the discovery in order to come up with a viable source that says well we found

00:32:56.740 it through this way and not through our law enforcement or not through our informants there

00:33:02.060 is so much here that has been opened up. And I mean, even those that have gone after various

00:33:08.100 organizations or groups that are trying to engage lawfully in our political system, or simply

00:33:13.400 bringing to attention the fact that, you know, anything from anti-white discrimination is

00:33:17.860 incredibly real in this country to the fact that there are individuals that just want to go

00:33:21.500 their own way. And we've noticed that, you know, there's an entire, there are numerous personalities

00:33:26.760 who work as quote-unquote journalists whether it's like Phil Williams in Tennessee trying to

00:33:32.260 go after anyone who is remotely right to the right of Ben Shapiro and things like that all these

00:33:38.300 things are having a very deep interconnected network and now that we're seeing this indictment

00:33:43.400 take place I mean I hope that this means there's in the future door open for criminal charges

00:33:48.320 against other organizations or against other actions that the SPLC has done I like I said

00:33:52.460 the beginning. I know that these investigations and bringing things to a grand jury take a long

00:33:58.180 time. And I understand that these things take effort. But I mean, even just this announcement

00:34:02.920 should be a shot in the arm to say that, hey, this administration is actually going to do

00:34:08.000 something about it. And I think that that's going to give a lot of people to rally the cause behind

00:34:12.340 it. And like you're mentioning the midterm elections. I mean, you want people to go out

00:34:15.540 and vote. I mean, just look at Daniel Goldman from New York, who is, you know, he basically

00:34:21.180 just rode on the coattails of being a guy who worked to impeach Trump the first time. I mean,

00:34:26.640 this is something that, you know, he's like, well, it's so unfair that Republicans are targeting the

00:34:30.620 SPLC. And it's just like, there is no difference between you, an elected official and a government

00:34:35.620 bureaucrat and a person who has been there forever, and the SPLC. You are all interchangeable

00:34:41.460 agents against the American people. And to see that kind of support really does illustrate how

00:34:46.920 high the stakes are. This is the same thing that we've seen in government for decades about

00:34:51.700 labeling individuals as extremists or saying that they're associated with organizations that are

00:34:57.180 unoptical. And it raises some really important questions about how many of these said groups

00:35:02.260 have played a role in the past, not just within recent memory of the early Trump administration

00:35:07.420 days in the 2016 election, but also during the days of Pat Buchanan or those that are genuinely

00:35:12.760 raising concerns regarding immigration, anti-white racism, you name it, you think of it,

00:35:19.000 there has probably been some connection in which the SPLC, the ADL, and numerous other organizations

00:35:24.700 have tried to derail them by calling them extremists, subversives, federal informants,

00:35:30.960 you name it. It's all been there. This is a history that everyone on the right has seen

00:35:35.600 for decades throughout our lifetimes. And so to see this as the first positive step really is a

00:35:40.600 shot in the arm. And I think a really strong reassurance that there are those individuals

00:35:44.660 in the administration that are doing something. And again, there is a manpower issue. And if we

00:35:49.720 can have, you know, an army of geo guesser guys who can figure out things instantly, or even our

00:35:54.960 own people on the online who can figure out where things come from or take advantage of their own

00:35:59.440 areas of expertise. This is a time for that kind of collaboration to come together. And I mean,

00:36:05.940 And again, I think that between this and the fraud task force that the vice president has

00:36:10.720 put out, it really just goes to show that the United States of America has become nothing

00:36:15.140 more but a giant looting of the treasury to where, you know, for every time I hear someone

00:36:20.640 talk about reparations or I hear anyone talking about some kind of check to make up for things

00:36:25.260 about past evils or grievances, that exists for everyone in the United States except for 0.55

00:36:30.480 actual Americans.

00:36:31.280 And the SPLC comes to show that even when it comes to alleged members on the far right to all the way to where like the Paycheck Protection Program, where we can look up the most caricaturized stereotypical names imaginable and see that all of their checks and all of their money that they got loaned out was forgiven by the Biden administration and the federal government.

00:36:50.000 So again, these are scandalizing things. They're not things that we're unfamiliar with. But again, as this investigation continues and this indictment is presented, I hope that further charges can be brought out and to not only lock these people up, but I want the SPLC to never exist.

00:37:05.980 I want it to be thrown to the dustbin of history, along with every other group like it, because that would really show that there is meaningful, conservative, right-wing change in this country that shows that the Justice Department is actually under the control of the right, rather than just going to have a Kash Patel at the helm or a Dan Bongino, who was a podcaster who wanted to go back to doing that.

00:37:29.400 actually it's filled with people that want to make a meaningful difference in this country

00:37:33.140 and keep the left out of power for generations to come yeah i think i saw on twitter curtis

00:37:39.420 yarvin said something to the effect of it looks like the trump administration is investigating

00:37:44.300 the spLC just because they can maybe they've actually learned something right like maybe

00:37:50.120 maybe they've learned that would be great right and and this has so again so many implications

00:37:55.780 So as we've pointed out multiple times, obviously the SPLC is funding some of the most egregious, visible, scary signs of like right wing, you know, radicalism or whatever.

00:38:10.980 Like whether however you feel about any given group, you know, when someone throws out the KKK, like that's there to make it very clear that there's a dangerous organization, the Aryan Brotherhood, right?

00:38:22.300 Like biker gangs, prison gangs, you know, the KKK, these are the people that the SPLC 0.63

00:38:26.980 is actively propping up because they need them to continue.

00:38:30.780 But there's also obviously the wider concern that, you know, there's always an Antifa journalist

00:38:36.800 or there's always an SPLC representative, or maybe there's even possibly a federal agent

00:38:42.600 trying to find people and radicalize them.

00:38:46.620 Again, as you pointed out with the Gretman, Greta, why can't I say her name correctly?

00:38:52.300 correctly gretchen whitmer thank you i was trying to mix the two um there we've already seen that

00:38:59.300 instance where like this crime would not have been committed had not the federal government

00:39:03.320 actively looked to radicalize the people and then convince them to do it when they were like 0.55

00:39:08.100 obviously mentally disabled and so you have this scenario where how much of that is being created 0.87

00:39:14.660 and everyone is worried that they can't be in a chat room they can't show up to a meeting they 0.91

00:39:20.300 can't involve themselves with even just frankly like upstanding you know uh long-running

00:39:26.400 organizations like the john birch society right like people will be worried that someone there

00:39:31.180 is some kind of subversive that's trying to dox them trying to get in trouble that kind of thing

00:39:34.620 if you remove a critical node for coordinating that behavior like the splc a place that lets

00:39:42.280 the cash flow through it and into the kind of people who do antifa stuff if they no longer

00:39:49.020 think they have that backing of the federal government or private organizations, non-government

00:39:54.780 organizations, then that gives us breathing room because it means there are fewer people who are

00:40:00.360 being literally funded to go out there and mislead the right and get it into trouble. It means there

00:40:05.260 are fewer people who are being funded to attend these meetings and try to radicalize people or

00:40:10.040 take them down paths they don't want to go. There are fewer people out there who are reporting back,

00:40:14.620 trying to dox you know all this stuff and you can just have a right-wing club like you could have a

00:40:21.300 left-wing club you could just meet together it's insane that right now outside of like turning

00:40:26.540 point usa such a high percentage of you know kind of right-wing organizations are terrified to meet

00:40:33.400 terrified to get together in person worried that someone's going to try to subvert them trying to

00:40:37.600 dox them trying to get them in trouble trying to you know uh say you know run out do non-optical

00:40:42.760 stuff so they can try to blow up the organization. That's a constant fear. And when you don't have

00:40:49.720 the SPLC actively doing that, actively funding people, actively money laundering to achieve

00:40:55.880 that goal, that's a huge psychic weight from, I think, the right-wing movement. Because now you

00:41:02.220 no longer feel like you have this public-private fusion of a police state constantly looking to

00:41:08.200 destroy every one of your political goals. Instead, you can just be a group of young men with a right

00:41:15.500 wing outlook in the world who's trying to improve your community or do good things, just organize

00:41:20.560 in the sense that you should be able to politically in the country. And you don't have this time bomb

00:41:25.200 ticking away of SPLC funded Antifa activists who are trying to work their way into your

00:41:31.240 organization. It just completely changes the mentality in the room when you're trying to

00:41:35.840 politically organized yeah and i mean we've seen constant attacks both on local levels and even to

00:41:42.020 the national level uh targeting organizations whether it's the center for renewing america

00:41:47.620 or the ben franklin fellowship with a lot of people who are um foreign service officers with

00:41:53.920 the state department uh to as we saw in the past with the birchers and i mean any person who wants

00:41:58.700 to organize and actually make a meaningful difference in their country especially for

00:42:02.840 this entire, the era of the Trump, you know, the era of Trump being politics, it's always been

00:42:07.820 the shadow of Charlottesville, the shadow of January 6th, the concern that there is a Fed

00:42:13.100 in every group chat, there is someone that is monitoring or recording these things that it

00:42:16.980 will inevitably get leaked. And sometimes, of course, that can be done maliciously by deliberate

00:42:22.260 bad actors and, you know, radically leak things for the purposes of making the administration

00:42:27.980 should look bad or young white male hill staffers who don't share you know the post-war consensus

00:42:33.800 on history and american culture and politics and liberalism to just look even you know just evil

00:42:39.060 and sort of the general things like that we've all witnessed this we've all had our fears about

00:42:43.540 doing these things and it is a a ghost in the specter that continues to haunt us because we

00:42:49.880 saw how the left operates we saw when it came to charlottesville we saw how they treated people

00:42:55.040 who were there either because they genuinely believed in the cause of the issue of the erasure

00:43:00.120 of um of history with the confederate monuments and i mean the left got their victory as they

00:43:04.440 discreetly you know burned and melted down the robert e lee statue um to people who wanted to

00:43:09.260 stand up and go against what they obviously believed to be a phony um result of the 2020

00:43:14.840 election in some key counties um i i like charles haywood's description of it it was an electoral

00:43:19.320 justice protest and all at the same time you know they've already had you know the james carviles

00:43:24.580 of the world and others have already put together their plan that if they ever get into power again,

00:43:29.280 they're going to make the entirety of all the responses to Charlottesville on January 6th

00:43:34.680 look like child's play. So the impetus is on this administration and also on all of us

00:43:40.560 to start investigating every 990, every organization like this, put the network

00:43:47.220 nodes together and put those maps that can be presented, either given to the Trump administration

00:43:52.800 or to various state AGs to start investigating these groups. Because if they do ever get back

00:43:58.540 into power, and they will try and pull the same thing as we just recently saw in Virginia, 0.87

00:44:02.760 to make sure that there is no representation, and to ensure that Northern Virginia, which is full

00:44:07.840 of bureaucrats, deep state officials, with our lovely CIA governor, and to have their CIA

00:44:13.040 represented state, you know, they're going to do that across the country. And so any AG that wants

00:44:18.720 to throw the gauntlet down on a state level to do something similar would be seen as a hero and

00:44:23.820 would be welcomed as a liberator to anyone in conservative ink or anyone on the right in

00:44:28.820 general because that person just bought more time for actors to continuously investigate more but

00:44:34.680 also it puts a dent in the um vast swaths of money in the coffers that these organizations have

00:44:40.860 i mean even on the right we've seen this they don't even have to create a charge they can just

00:44:45.240 simply investigate, and that will bankrupt an organization who has been advocating for

00:44:50.180 immigration reform and for the laws to actually be enforced when it comes to the criminal justice

00:44:54.740 system. We've seen this in New York. We've seen this throughout American history in the 20th

00:44:58.840 century especially. I think that this is the time to look at this as the model example and to pursue

00:45:04.980 every viable legal mean to destroy these organizations and bury them because they will

00:45:10.940 work hand in hand to go after activists, TPUSA officials, podcasters, networks, fraternal

00:45:18.440 organizations. And we already saw this in Virginia as well. They've already taken away the tax-exempt

00:45:23.060 status for the sons and daughters of the Confederacy. It doesn't matter that you are 0.58

00:45:27.700 part of like your local historical society like I am. If I were to ever be in a blue state or

00:45:33.240 heaven forbid, witness the same thing happen like I saw in Virginia, this could work. And they'll

00:45:37.660 work hand in hand and they'll have supporting people from the SPLC and like that show up.

00:45:42.060 The story or the image that I'm painting here, Oren, is not an unrealistic one because we're

00:45:48.000 witnessing it happen in real time and we have at least 50 years of history of left-wing politics

00:45:53.800 to show that the FBI and these organizations work hand in hand and that anarcho-tyranny is a very

00:46:00.060 real thing and it only goes one way. So this indictment that has been presented to a grand

00:46:04.740 jury and the charges have been returned, according to Todd Blanche. Let's go for it. Let's make this

00:46:09.800 happen. And let's start investigating these other organizations as well. Yeah, it's so critical.

00:46:15.920 It's so important. I can't even, you know, look, I'm not going to blow smoke over the Trump

00:46:21.680 administration. I think a lot of people know that at this point, I've been very critical when it

00:46:25.180 comes to the foreign policy. But this is the real deal. Like this is not small ball. This is not a

00:46:30.520 this is not a publicity stunt this is the kind of thing that can blow the game wide open if done

00:46:35.000 correctly and if done with real commitment so i hope that's what the trump administration is

00:46:39.920 bringing because if it is then like i said a lot can be forgiven and it makes a huge difference

00:46:46.320 in the lives of the average person especially the average person who's fighting for the country

00:46:50.820 again as you just pointed out with what happened in virginia it's very clear that the left is not

00:46:56.760 going to hold any punches they're not going to listen and care about your principles or you know

00:47:01.720 whatever whinging thing you're doing about some foreign country they're going to come and they're 0.91

00:47:06.420 going to arrest you and they're going to manipulate the map and they're going to take your money 0.83

00:47:09.860 and they're going to criminalize your beliefs and they're going to throw you in jail like the left

00:47:13.820 it's an existential political crisis and we have to start acting like it we have to stop pretending

00:47:18.500 that at some point you know the statue of liberty is going to climb off a pedestal and you know make

00:47:23.720 everybody behave properly. The Constitution is going to arise magically from its case and stop

00:47:29.520 all the violations of our rights. We have to crush organizations like this. We need to crush people

00:47:34.960 connected to organizations like this. We need to show that there's a real cost and that Republicans,

00:47:40.460 that the GOP, but more importantly, the Trump administration can effectively wield power and

00:47:45.340 are worth voting for. That's something that they desperately need. And this is an opportunity to

00:47:50.100 show very clearly that that's the case. That said, guys, obviously, again, not live today,

00:47:56.060 so cannot answer questions. But Mr. Prudentials, where should people look if they want to find

00:47:59.840 your fantastic work? Sure. As always, Oren, thank you for having me on. I think this is one of the

00:48:04.340 most important discussions that we've ever had on the show. And I think that for the higher ups that

00:48:09.800 listen to you, I really do hope that anything that we've discussed here can lead to a potential

00:48:15.040 avenue or a task force that can be created out of the administration or even on the state

00:48:20.020 level these things are really important as for me you can find me on twitter at mr prudentialist

00:48:24.580 um i go by matthew williams and a lot of publications these days um my youtube channel

00:48:28.880 does the same i'm a guy that usually reviews books and things like that so if you're interested

00:48:33.320 in sort of the history of right-wing thought as well as history in general i cover a variety of

00:48:38.780 topics on a show called do you even read where so many people tell you that like you should read

00:48:42.520 theory or read books well myself and my co-host to do that quite often uh we try and get books

00:48:47.380 out every month to be reviewed in depth and in pretty good detail. We'll be covering Grace and

00:48:52.520 Quay's The Transhumanist Temptation this next month, alongside some other book reviews that

00:48:58.040 we've got in the pipeline as well. Alongside that, my works can be found on Substack,

00:49:02.600 just theprudentialist.substack.com. I try to write there once or twice a month on some pretty hefty

00:49:07.200 cultural and technological observations. But as always, Oren, thank you for having me on.

00:49:11.680 A pleasure. And of course, everyone should be checking out Matthew's work. If it's your first

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - April 24, 2026

How the SPLC Funded the KKK ｜ Guest： Matthew Williams ｜ 4⧸24⧸26

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