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00:02:01.060I want people to understand this is not just some charity somewhere.
00:02:04.520The SPLC is a critical node in the Progressive Cathedral.
00:02:08.940It is both an information gathering arm and a social enforcement arm.
00:02:13.340It collates a lot of data. It goes after a lot of people. It applies constant pressure to people who are as innocuous as daily wire hosts all the way up to what, as we'll see, like people who are considered more radically right wing involved in various groups that are often considered forbidden.
00:02:31.180and it is constantly putting a target on these people's back.
00:02:52.880as we'll see from conservatives from the right wing,
00:02:55.860that law enforcement needs to take specific action
00:02:58.880and they are constantly blasting on the website
00:03:01.060But on top of this, they serve a far more important function.
00:03:05.020They are plugged in to basically every law enforcement agency, corporation, all of these
00:03:11.420organizations across the United States, and they are the ones that often frame the idea
00:03:15.840of right-wing extremism, define what it is, how it should be fought, and they are the
00:03:20.520ones that feed all this information to these different local law enforcement operations.
00:03:24.420They're known for training FBI agents.
00:03:26.940this is a huge organization with a massive amount of funding and influence so what were the nature
00:03:33.340of the charges how much has the SPLC spent bribing members of like the KKK yeah so the
00:03:41.740indictment came out from the Department of Justice I think this was late Tuesday evening is when I
00:03:47.940got all the text messages from friends letting me know that hey I'm in the wrong line of work if I
00:03:53.040ever wanted to get cash. But I mean, patronage jokes aside, the acting U.S. attorney had put
00:03:59.080forward the indictment. And specifically, it's with regards to Title 18 of U.S. Code Section
00:04:04.8001956A, 1B, all the subsections included. Basically, it's just money laundering that
00:04:12.000they're specifically focusing on, that there have been numerous counts over the years since
00:04:16.580the early 2000s up till today, that the SPLC has engaged through fake entities with various banks
00:04:24.200that were federally insured through the FDIC to basically launder their money and to pay
00:04:29.520individuals that were considered as informants or field sources. And it's very interesting when we
00:04:36.320read, like you mentioned, it's all tapped into the law enforcement connections and the network
00:04:40.360and everything therein. We can read the indictment. It's 14 pages. It's pretty succinct.
00:04:44.880And when we look at it, it feels very similar, if not, you know, the exact same kind of structure that we would see just from the other side on a prosecutorial side that we would see from like the FBI giving a report, you know, adding to the evidence or testimony saying, this is how we have provided all of our information and investigation by the books to prove that this person is, you know, worthy to be charged or worthy to be indicted on XYZ count.
00:05:08.560It's the same thing that we've seen with how the SPLC has operated throughout the years.
00:05:12.700They work very closely with law enforcement.
00:05:14.660They have been considered the, you know, there are equivalent of hope, not hate in a lot of ways when it comes to, say, our friends across the pond.
00:05:21.320They have operated for years working with, you know, on the ground sources, working with Antifa and numerous other organizations to dox individuals on the right, whether we would consider them radical far-rightists or just individuals like Charlie Kirk or anyone working at the Daily Wire.
00:05:37.480and i'm sure plenty of you know blaze tv hosts as well will one day make the list or has already
00:05:42.520been called out for it in the past so to see this it's important for us to understand this
00:05:46.600is just the indictment this still has to be go through all the legal channels this can take
00:05:51.160several months if not years when it comes to trying to target individuals for these kind of
00:05:56.520crimes but i think that this is a step in the right direction that opens up a wide can of worms
00:06:01.320like you said this exposes really things that we've already taken for granted over the years
00:06:06.040That the SPLC has worked with numerous groups on the ground and has coordinated information and has used money to try and sway people over to either betray their cause or to act as informants and get other individuals doxed for adhering to principles and beliefs that the SPLC doesn't like.
00:06:22.660Yeah, there's so much there that's critical.
00:06:25.380So first, as you say, this is something that we all assumed was going on.
00:06:30.940We knew it was going on, but it needed to be proved.
00:06:33.520And obviously, it was clear that no one in the government was really interested in taking these steps.
00:06:37.960Now, after the death of Charlie Kirk, myself and many others got out there and were pretty vocal about the need to put pressure on Antifa, but not just Antifa, but all of this network of leftist NGOs that are furthering that agenda, that are pushing the hate, that are encouraging the violence, that are obviously inspiring.
00:06:55.000and in many cases, it turns out, funding these operations. We knew this was going on, but we
00:07:00.780needed someone in government with the courage to prove it. Now, the Trump administration took a
00:07:05.280long time, longer than I'd like, but I understand that these cases require a lot of buildup. As you
00:07:11.100say, this can take months or years. You want to get this right. You don't want them to wriggle
00:07:15.200out of it, especially when you drop the first big hammer. And this is obviously the first big
00:07:19.780hammer in this investigation, but that doesn't mean it needs to stop here. And I hope it doesn't
00:07:24.360stop here. If we see this pattern, we can recognize that it's not just the SPLC that is involved in
00:07:32.360this kind of behavior. It's very likely that other organizations like the ADL are being used
00:07:39.640in this manner and operate in a very similar way. Black Lives Matter, all of these organizations
00:07:45.700can be taken down piece by piece by looking at their books. And as you say, the crime being0.97
00:07:52.380committed here is not necessarily infiltrating these organizations. Someone like James O'Keefe
00:07:57.540does that on a regular basis doing investigative journalism. The crime here, the way you actually
00:08:03.540catch them Al Capone style is to look at the bookkeeping, right? Because they took that money
00:08:09.840under false pretenses telling their supporters that that money was going to fight these organizations
00:08:15.160and instead was going to fund these organizations. That's one deception. But the big change comes
00:08:45.940while you were attempting to set this up.
00:08:47.780And this opens up so many other possibilities
00:08:50.620because look you know there's we can pretend this is conspiracy theory land but we're well
00:08:56.660beyond conspiracy theory like this is just the confirmation of a conspiracy like this is a
00:09:01.760conspiracy that the SPLC you know got together and committed and it's very clear as you say that
00:09:10.040they worked with the FBI they've trained the FBI they've trained law enforcement agencies
00:09:14.980multiple government agencies it is in no way crazy to speculate that these people are functionally
00:09:23.040cutouts for the u.s government that they are a way for the fbi or other aspects of the government
00:09:29.260to fund organizations that they need to exist so they can increase their power again we can't prove
00:09:36.860any of that yet but there's a high likelihood that there is some linkage there that that this is in
00:09:43.400the same way that the government used social media corporations to censor ideas around COVID,
00:09:49.720the government can indirectly use places like the SPLC or the ADL to destroy their political enemies
00:09:57.100without their fingerprints being directly on this. And when we look at the list of people who are
00:10:01.920paid off, it's not just $300,000 to the Aryan Brotherhood or the money to the KKK leaders.
00:10:08.480It's also about $270 or $270,000 that went to some unnamed person involved with the Unite the Right rally in Virginia, which has famously become a flashpoint for cracking down on the right, calling them dangerous, saying that they're terrorists, saying that serious action needs to be taken.
00:10:29.120So the question becomes, how much of things like the Unite the Right rally were just funded by the federal government or a proxy like the SPLC or ADL?
00:10:43.380And what does this mean for something like January 6th, where we had a high degree of FBI involvement in the crowd, right?
00:10:50.640Now, we'll get into perhaps Fed jacketing here in a second, but just the possible implications, the number of doors this opens into kind of just everything we believe about the climate in the United States, this could be earth shattering if done correctly.
00:11:09.000absolutely and again this is just one major event and one indictment against a left-wing
00:11:18.780organization very similar to how we've already seen this administration target very specific
00:11:23.880uh chapters or cells of antifa internationally specifically and mainly in europe to be labeled
00:11:31.340as foreign terrorist organizations and again these things are all great first steps and when we read
00:11:36.660the indictment and we see the reactions, we understand that this is a very deep can of worms
00:11:42.480that's being opened. And I think that it's important for us to consider that these things
00:11:47.000are still unfolding. It raises a lot of questions as well as a lot of confirmation bias that is on
00:11:52.640here already about, well, these are things that we've known about or we know that the left has
00:11:57.520worked with both the government and various organizations like the Southern Poverty Law
00:12:01.980center throughout history. I mean, it's kind of strange to think that even, you know, conservatives
00:12:07.080or neocons of all stripes that we don't like, even Lindsey Graham knows that like the SPLC
00:12:11.640is nothing but a slime ball throwing, you know, joke of an organization that he's been talking
00:12:18.220about in Congress for years. And so a lot of this has been, I think, you know, a hefty amount of
00:12:22.600confirmation of things that we've already known. And it raises a lot of questions about where does
00:12:27.860genuine you know right-wing activism in the united states have a place especially when you know
00:12:33.020we've seen you know january 6th or what's happened in charlottesville with the unite the right rally
00:12:37.880be used so often either to dissuade against activism or to see groups engaging in lawful
00:12:43.740activism be labeled as you know federal informants or agitators or things like that and i mean it's
00:12:49.820important for us to sort of recognize that in the modern consciousness of sort of the right
00:12:54.180You know, we've known about, you know, these kind of things happening since Janet Reno was the head of the DOJ under Bill Clinton, going after militia groups and those, you know, advocating for literature and being hosting conferences and things like that, working hand in hand with investigative journalists, those aligned with Antifa and those aligned with groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and others.
00:13:16.340So it's good for us to see that finally some kind of action is being taken place against one of the largest left-wing NGO nonprofit groups in the country.
00:13:27.760But the SPLC is just one of countless hundreds in which money and grants can then be levied against and thrown at so that they can fund their little operations and dox Twitter users that make funny jokes and happens to be one of the funniest people on the timeline.
00:13:42.660It just really goes to show that there's a lot that's going to be unfolding as this investigation continues. I hope that it remains as public as humanly possible so we have more information to discuss as the case unfolds.
00:13:55.640But I really do think that at the end of the day, Oren, this kind of conversation is good confirmation bias because we do know that the SPLC has doxed and harassed countless numbers of our friends and our colleagues throughout the years, those that we've met, those who we would consider, you know, old hats and this sort of thing of ours.
00:14:15.620But at the same time, you know, it also raises the question that, well, what can we do about it outside of just pointing out the obvious?
00:14:23.780And again, I think more pressure needs to be made on our end to start looking at, you know, there should be a data Republican type character for every left wing NGO in 990.
00:14:33.180I mean, this is what made Doge so scary in the first year of the Trump administration.
00:14:37.780That kind of work needs to be also delegated to looking exactly at where we see these tendrils of this hydra of left wing money going into because it's like the SPLC is just one node.
00:14:50.040but we know that you have Bellingcat cutouts, you've got Jason Wilson, and you've got Decoherence
00:14:55.820Media, you've got plenty of other podcasts and Antifa-aligned networks that are all working in
00:15:01.220coordination with each other. They all talk to each other one way or another. This is not, you know,
00:15:05.860some sort of conspiratorial thinking. These are things that have been discussed for years on the
00:15:10.920political right, from individuals working on the Hill to individual activists in the middle of
00:15:16.820nowhere Iowa. These aren't things that are going to be radical or earth-shattering to the average
00:15:22.360listener. But I think it really does come to show that where we're at now, that this indictment
00:15:27.660should hopefully give us, and I pray that Discovery gets really interesting, that they'll
00:15:32.340be able to pull out more information about where this money was being spent and what other groups
00:15:38.600have been doing the same kind of actions. Because again, this is the same organization that has
00:15:43.040worked in tandem with groups like the adl with groups like the fbi you know part of our entire
00:15:49.000intelligence apparatus for domestic law enforcement you know um academic agent had said the same thing
00:15:54.480several years ago i think on you know gb news where it's like well if you want to investigate
00:15:58.660hope not hate eventually you're gonna have to deal with the uncomfortable fact you're investigating
00:16:01.940mi5 and it's the same thing here in america like we're gonna have to deal with the uh unfortunate
00:16:06.820fact that you're gonna be investigating the fbi and the intelligence community and that runs into
00:16:11.200some very you know serious danger to individuals livelihoods and i think that you know even seeing
00:16:16.720this kind of indictments very good and a very positive step but it is going to come to the
00:16:21.640fact that you know you are going up against the deep state here and this is just one tendril of
00:16:25.660it and a very important one i i think people need to grasp how critical a node the spLC really is
00:16:33.460to this whole network because as i said they're they're they're connected to everybody they define
00:16:38.460things like anti-Semitism. They define things like, you know, like racism. They get to set
00:16:45.240the tone for all of this. They get to go into organizations and decide what action could be
00:16:50.200taken. The whole narrative about, you know, some white supremacist terrorism being the greatest
00:16:56.520domestic threat that we heard repeated over and over from guys like Christopher Wray, that comes
00:17:01.340from the SPLC. Like they're literally funding that to make sure that notable figures stay in that
00:17:07.920position or generate that level of, uh, of being scared, uh, that, that kind of motivates people
00:17:13.860to hand over power to these organizations. And so, as you say, I have no doubt that the FBI and
00:17:20.960many different government actors were completely aware of this relationship the entire time.
00:17:25.720However, I hope, you know, we see it this way and I hope the Trump administration sees it this way.
00:17:30.700I hope they see this case as just a crowbar peeling off the manhole cover of the sewer that
00:17:37.540is the entire progressive system right like this is not the slam dunk this is not the final
00:17:42.680salvo this is the opening salvo this is this is how you even get started because once you have
00:17:48.760that discovery once you have the legal ability as you say to start looking through those documents
00:17:53.400start pulling through everything and by the way this is where doge would be really useful
00:17:57.980ai obviously is a huge tool to get through all these documents all these different briefs all
00:18:04.900these different tax filings, everything that could be involved. One of the problems that the Trump
00:18:08.900administration has right now is they just don't have enough manpower. They can't get enough people
00:18:13.240into these organizations. They can't replace enough people who are actually going to do
00:18:16.720what the administration asks them to do. And so they're working at a basically a much, much
00:18:22.580smaller staff because they have a bunch of people who are useless, who sit around and0.95
00:18:27.020take up the jobs or they can't even hire new people into them. And so if you have AI or
00:18:32.540something that allows you to greatly reduce the workload of getting through all of this
00:18:36.360documentation, that's massive. But obviously these organizations are critical. The ones that are
00:18:42.000being funded by the SPLC are critical in creating this idea that there's this constant right-wing
00:18:50.920threat to the United States. One of the kind of storylines that's going around right now is
00:18:56.860racism is in such low supply that they have to basically fund it. You have to artificially
00:19:02.440prop it up and that's obviously clear to some extent at least violent right-wing extremism
00:19:09.040simply does not exist at the level the government needs it to exist and so they have to fund its
00:19:14.460last few you know possible parishioners uh rather than uh fold up shop and admit that this isn't
00:19:21.100really a threat that needs to be worried about anymore however there is a a counterbalance to
00:19:26.380this um there's a lot that's going to come out of this i think this is going to be good overall
00:19:30.500But I've already seen the attempt to do two things. One is to say, well, everyone I don't like was a Fed from the beginning, right? Like everything that someone said was because they were funded by the government. It's all SPLC dollars. And so I can just look at the guy I disagree with most and say, actually, that guy probably works for the SPLC. He's probably getting those checks. So we can discount anything that person said. We can slander them.
00:19:59.340The other thing I'm seeing is a lot of people saying, well, this shows that there wasn't really any right wing movement. There is no real right wing cultural movement. It's all funded. It's all fake. And so really, uh, it's, it's the, it's the center left guys. It's the, I didn't leave the left, the left left me. It's the IDW guys. They were right all along the real, you know, power, the real interest, the real political will is all like basically center left or moderate conservative.
00:20:26.700there are there is no general right-wing uh shift in mentality over the generation and i i can just
00:20:33.560you know call everybody woke right and sit there you know smugly and and feel like i won because
00:20:38.800uh everybody who disagrees with me on the right they're they're probably funded by the spLC it's
00:20:43.780all fake and look here i am big brain guy sitting in the center uh and i'm you know vindicated by
00:20:49.780the fact that there never really was any uh organic right-wing push yeah and i mean we've
00:20:55.540seen this throughout just even our short time working in politics as well as you know we look
00:21:02.240at the the history of just um the conservative movement in general since the 1940s has really
00:21:09.100been this case where it's either accusations of being deliberately subversive working with
00:21:14.560law enforcement taking money from a foreign or a wealthy billionaire and things like that these sort
00:21:20.620of basic just labels that we're going to throw at someone because there are scarlet letters.
00:21:25.600And we know that when we're online or even in person, everyone is afraid of being called
00:21:31.600subversive, an agent of Russia, a Fed. I mean, you know, think of any sort of, you know,
00:21:37.880particular claim that you can claim woke right is another one.
00:21:41.040AI is moving fast across the enterprise. But without visibility, it's just chaos.
00:36:31.280And the SPLC comes to show that even when it comes to alleged members on the far right to all the way to where like the Paycheck Protection Program, where we can look up the most caricaturized stereotypical names imaginable and see that all of their checks and all of their money that they got loaned out was forgiven by the Biden administration and the federal government.
00:36:50.000So again, these are scandalizing things. They're not things that we're unfamiliar with. But again, as this investigation continues and this indictment is presented, I hope that further charges can be brought out and to not only lock these people up, but I want the SPLC to never exist.
00:37:05.980I want it to be thrown to the dustbin of history, along with every other group like it, because that would really show that there is meaningful, conservative, right-wing change in this country that shows that the Justice Department is actually under the control of the right, rather than just going to have a Kash Patel at the helm or a Dan Bongino, who was a podcaster who wanted to go back to doing that.
00:37:29.400actually it's filled with people that want to make a meaningful difference in this country
00:37:33.140and keep the left out of power for generations to come yeah i think i saw on twitter curtis
00:37:39.420yarvin said something to the effect of it looks like the trump administration is investigating
00:37:44.300the spLC just because they can maybe they've actually learned something right like maybe
00:37:50.120maybe they've learned that would be great right and and this has so again so many implications
00:37:55.780So as we've pointed out multiple times, obviously the SPLC is funding some of the most egregious, visible, scary signs of like right wing, you know, radicalism or whatever.
00:38:10.980Like whether however you feel about any given group, you know, when someone throws out the KKK, like that's there to make it very clear that there's a dangerous organization, the Aryan Brotherhood, right?
00:38:22.300Like biker gangs, prison gangs, you know, the KKK, these are the people that the SPLC0.63
00:38:26.980is actively propping up because they need them to continue.
00:38:30.780But there's also obviously the wider concern that, you know, there's always an Antifa journalist
00:38:36.800or there's always an SPLC representative, or maybe there's even possibly a federal agent
00:38:42.600trying to find people and radicalize them.
00:38:46.620Again, as you pointed out with the Gretman, Greta, why can't I say her name correctly?
00:38:52.300correctly gretchen whitmer thank you i was trying to mix the two um there we've already seen that
00:38:59.300instance where like this crime would not have been committed had not the federal government
00:39:03.320actively looked to radicalize the people and then convince them to do it when they were like0.55
00:39:08.100obviously mentally disabled and so you have this scenario where how much of that is being created0.87
00:39:14.660and everyone is worried that they can't be in a chat room they can't show up to a meeting they0.91
00:39:20.300can't involve themselves with even just frankly like upstanding you know uh long-running
00:39:26.400organizations like the john birch society right like people will be worried that someone there
00:39:31.180is some kind of subversive that's trying to dox them trying to get in trouble that kind of thing
00:39:34.620if you remove a critical node for coordinating that behavior like the splc a place that lets
00:39:42.280the cash flow through it and into the kind of people who do antifa stuff if they no longer
00:39:49.020think they have that backing of the federal government or private organizations, non-government
00:39:54.780organizations, then that gives us breathing room because it means there are fewer people who are
00:40:00.360being literally funded to go out there and mislead the right and get it into trouble. It means there
00:40:05.260are fewer people who are being funded to attend these meetings and try to radicalize people or
00:40:10.040take them down paths they don't want to go. There are fewer people out there who are reporting back,
00:40:14.620trying to dox you know all this stuff and you can just have a right-wing club like you could have a
00:40:21.300left-wing club you could just meet together it's insane that right now outside of like turning
00:40:26.540point usa such a high percentage of you know kind of right-wing organizations are terrified to meet
00:40:33.400terrified to get together in person worried that someone's going to try to subvert them trying to
00:40:37.600dox them trying to get them in trouble trying to you know uh say you know run out do non-optical
00:40:42.760stuff so they can try to blow up the organization. That's a constant fear. And when you don't have