The Auron MacIntyre Show - How Wokeness Destroyed Science ｜ 8⧸28⧸24

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00:00:30.200 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.820 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.940 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:36.900 There are astronauts stranded on the International Space Station as we speak.

00:00:42.660 The Boeing capsule that was supposed to safely return them has failed.

00:00:47.080 I believe the thrusters are having issues.

00:00:49.440 It looks like they will be unable to leave,

00:00:51.960 which means that NASA is going to have to eventually rely on Elon Musk and SpaceX

00:00:58.200 to get their astronauts back.

00:01:00.420 Though that may not occur until maybe February.

00:01:04.660 So astronauts in a pretty uncomfortable space right now.

00:01:08.480 They were supposed to be there for only eight days,

00:01:11.000 and now they're going to be there for a very long time.

00:01:15.060 And the question you have to ask yourself is why do we keep seeing failures from NASA?

00:01:20.600 We're talking about an organization that when I was a kid was explaining that I would simply get onto a plane

00:01:27.900 and it would arrive in space within a few hours and we'd be able to do tourism on different close heavenly bodies.

00:01:36.160 And now it's lucky if it can even pull off a basic retrieval operation to the space station.

00:01:42.920 What happened to NASA?

00:01:45.260 Well, while we are waiting for these astronauts to be retrieved,

00:01:49.920 Tenant Media broke a story about how DEI has completely captured the agency.

00:01:55.800 Now, I know a lot of people wouldn't be surprised by this.

00:01:59.460 It's a disease that is spread to pretty much every critical institution in the United States.

00:02:05.840 But you think something like NASA, with a highly sophisticated and critical mission,

00:02:11.680 would at least attempt to continue a certain level of excellence,

00:02:15.500 hiring the best people who can apply the science in a way that will consistently bring people home from, say, missions in space.

00:02:25.960 But instead, they have prioritized all the things that we are used to.

00:02:30.040 Gender, skin color, sexual preference, disabilities.

00:02:34.600 And this is not made for a more capable organization.

00:02:39.260 So we're going to be going through the different DEI training that NASA has been putting out.

00:02:45.800 Some of the videos that were unearthed of different people inside the organization

00:02:50.840 talking about why they organize or prioritize this type of DEI training over, say, math or science.

00:02:59.920 And I also want to get into the thought of Oswald Spangler

00:03:03.260 because Oswald Spangler is somebody who I think has a lot of prescient insights

00:03:07.920 and he's somebody who predicted the decline of science in Western societies.

00:03:13.900 I want to take a look at that.

00:03:15.680 I want to take a look at all that.

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00:04:45.560 All right, so like I said, if you grew up like I did in the late 80s, early 90s,

00:04:54.040 space travel was very optimistic.

00:04:56.440 You know, we went to space, obviously.

00:04:58.520 We went to the moon.

00:05:00.540 We made these incredible advancements in science.

00:05:05.280 Humans were able to set foot on a celestial body for the first time in our history.

00:05:11.540 This was a huge deal.

00:05:13.280 You know, we did that back in the 60s with a lot of guys who were just using like slide rules and that kind of stuff.

00:05:18.940 They didn't have very advanced computers still working with the most rudimentary of that type of technology.

00:05:25.720 It was a lot of very intelligent people working very hard with a lot of technology that is much lower grade than what we have now

00:05:32.980 and still achieving this amazing accomplishment.

00:05:35.540 And so you can understand why there was a lot of optimism about where would we be going.

00:05:41.960 But ultimately, especially after the kind of the fervor of the space race fell away,

00:05:48.380 when it no longer looked like we were racing Russia to figure out where we were going to go next

00:05:53.740 and who's going to make the next breakthrough,

00:05:56.060 the infatuation that a lot of Americans had with space started to fade a little bit.

00:06:02.180 But there was still a lot of enthusiasm.

00:06:03.720 We were still doing a lot of interesting things.

00:06:07.120 And like I said, when I was in school, I got this.

00:06:09.920 I was part of the Young Astronauts program.

00:06:12.160 It was like a scouting program that they had back then.

00:06:15.180 I was one of those kids who was super interested in space.

00:06:18.880 And we were told all the time we had NASA presentations, you know, that came to school.

00:06:24.500 And they would tell you that you'd be able to hop on these shuttles that would go in between.

00:06:29.400 They would easily take off into space and you'd be able to arrive at a station or, you know,

00:06:34.520 something on the moon in very short order.

00:06:37.900 We'd obviously be making trips to Mars.

00:06:40.060 This was all in the very near future is described as something that you'll grow up with as you get older.

00:06:45.420 And now I'm in my 40, you know, I just turned 40 and we can't even get to the space station reliably.

00:06:52.820 We don't even have that ability.

00:06:55.000 So what happened in the interim?

00:06:57.120 How have we lost just the basic ability to travel through space that we had several decades ago?

00:07:05.760 You could say we didn't lose it.

00:07:07.060 We have the knowledge in theory.

00:07:09.700 We know the science, but we cannot execute on it for several reasons.

00:07:15.900 We don't have the will.

00:07:17.080 We don't have we're not we don't have the willingness to put in the time to put in the money to do the work.

00:07:22.560 We and as we'll look here at the from a number of different videos, the NASA has decided to prioritize other things,

00:07:31.000 even though it is ostensibly an agency that is designed to launch people into space.

00:07:37.320 Instead, it has decided to focus on other priorities.

00:07:40.420 And we can tell that this is kind of slowly eroded our ability to head into space to do even the most basic things that NASA was meant to do.

00:07:50.680 So we'll start out here by just playing a few of these clips.

00:07:54.520 These are some of the clips that were uncovered by Tenant Media showing the level of integration that DEI has had in several departments inside of NASA

00:08:06.200 and the way that it is being prioritized over, you know, things like merit, the ability to actually do the science, do the math, get these things done.

00:08:15.180 So let me start here with this montage they put together.

00:08:19.020 Things from my own past that has enabled me to share stories in those DEI environments is that I thought back then when I was a kid that that the pathway to this space program was science or engineering.

00:08:38.860 And now I look at the environment that I'm in and it takes a village.

00:08:45.280 So that's a really bad, really bad thing to hear, right?

00:08:50.500 Yeah, I used to think that the key to coming to NASA and working was to be a scientist or an engineer, have the ability to understand complex equations, the way that machines work,

00:09:02.520 the way that different parts of physics impact, I don't know, the human body or the structures of a space capsule, of a space station, any of these things.

00:09:12.020 That seemed like the way to work at NASA.

00:09:15.540 That's how I would assume that one works at NASA.

00:09:18.600 But instead we hear it takes a village.

00:09:21.480 And this is the first clue that we have this more holistic idea, right?

00:09:26.600 It's, oh, it's not, well, it's not entirely about you.

00:09:28.980 We don't just want people who can do the science.

00:09:30.940 We don't just want people who can do the math.

00:09:32.100 We want a diverse group of people who can bring a lot of different interests and insights into this,

00:09:38.160 which means we want a lot of people who aren't qualified in math or science, that don't have that as their primary skill set,

00:09:45.980 that will not be the driver of who is selected.

00:09:49.400 There will be other criteria involved in who we are bringing in to NASA to run these operations.

00:09:55.820 What I'm really excited about is that our leadership, and not just in heliophysics, not just in my division, but as a center,

00:10:05.260 they want to make a difference and they want to make a change.

00:10:07.920 And they know because I mentioned to them a lot of conversations we have are going to be uncomfortable.

00:10:13.620 And if we're not uncomfortable, we're not talking about diversity.

00:10:17.180 As NASA continues...

00:10:17.820 So, as a helioccientist, now, I'm not a heliophysicist.

00:10:23.780 I don't have any.

00:10:24.960 This gentleman, I'm sure, has far better qualifications than I on this.

00:10:29.200 However, the fact that the primary concern that he is communicating right now is the ability of his department and other departments,

00:10:38.780 and it sounds like his department's pretty important to space travel.

00:10:42.620 The primary interest they have right now are having conversations on diversity,

00:10:48.420 not how you could say more effectively send people to a space station and retrieve them,

00:10:54.500 increase the safety of your astronauts, make sure that you can plan new and better projects

00:10:59.780 to project the ability of the United States to reach for different parts of the solar system.

00:11:07.440 No, the primary concern right now is whether or not we are properly discussing diversity.

00:11:15.140 And those could be really uncomfortable conversations.

00:11:17.820 Because, you know, the first thing you do with a lot of people,

00:11:21.900 because I don't know if you've talked to engineers and scientists,

00:11:25.080 but engineers and scientists are not generally great in social situations.

00:11:29.180 They aren't great at picking up social cues.

00:11:31.980 They've kind of diverted their intelligence elsewhere.

00:11:34.800 They've specialized very narrowly in a field that often keeps them,

00:11:40.600 prohibits them from being particularly plugged in to the current social zeitgeist.

00:11:46.320 And so when you go in and you talk to these people,

00:11:50.200 you talk to scientists and engineers,

00:11:52.240 people who have focused their lives on, you know, science and math and physics,

00:11:56.740 and you spend all of your time saying,

00:11:58.980 no, the most important thing that you can do is feel super uncomfortable talking about diversity.

00:12:06.620 Those people might not be as interested in being involved in your organization anymore.

00:12:12.040 They might say, you know what?

00:12:13.400 While this was my dream, while this was going to be my focus,

00:12:17.620 actually, maybe I'll go somewhere where I'm not spending my time doing this.

00:12:22.360 Somewhere that will actually let me do the math and science and physics that I trained to do,

00:12:27.160 that I dreamed of doing.

00:12:29.140 I'm going to probably go someplace where they're not going to make me feel awkward

00:12:31.980 and make me feel guilty for being able to do that and focusing on that

00:12:37.640 rather than spouting whatever religious bromide is coming from the DEI propaganda recently.

00:12:44.980 So this is a terrible strategy if you want to put together a team that's capable of, again,

00:12:51.400 routinely retrieving astronauts you put into space,

00:12:53.940 but it is great if you just want to get people who are good at parroting your current political line.

00:12:59.700 ...use to collaborate and partner with a lot of these organizations,

00:13:03.080 and it lets them know that, you know, we're here, right?

00:13:08.840 And you're going to know about internship opportunities,

00:13:12.820 early career hire opportunities, you know, mid-career, so on and so forth.

00:13:17.340 So is there any education for the white people? 0.92

00:13:21.020 That's a great question.

00:13:23.080 That's a great question.

00:13:25.400 Is there any education for the white people? 0.93

00:13:28.180 You notice he was just talking about all the opportunities

00:13:31.140 that they were going to make sure were available to minorities,

00:13:34.240 to people who fit somewhere inside the DEI, Rainbow Coalition. 0.80

00:13:40.440 You know, the gay race communism has to dominate every institution in society. 1.00

00:13:48.920 And so that's going to be the people that we are going to focus on. 0.98

00:13:52.120 And he says, well, is there any learning for white people?

00:13:55.800 Is there anything that they can learn about?

00:13:58.020 Any education for them?

00:13:59.280 So the people that work at Goddard specifically, the white people, if you will.

00:14:07.120 What's with the air quotes?

00:14:09.300 What does that mean?

00:14:11.100 They have been amazing to say,

00:14:13.360 we're not here to say that we're going to make all these necessary changes.

00:14:17.420 We're here to listen.

00:14:19.420 What is it that we can do to be a better ally for you?

00:14:22.460 So the purpose is not to have a better astronaut, to have the most competent people.

00:14:29.680 If someone is white specifically, it's not their job to be to learn about opportunities 0.99

00:14:34.420 for elevation, ability for them to move into management, to become more effective in any

00:14:40.040 way, shape or form.

00:14:41.420 Their job, their job is not even to help fix the problems. 0.95

00:14:45.700 Like I said, the white people, he used the air quotes there, they're, you know, they're 0.95

00:14:51.000 not supposed to bring up any solutions to the problem. 0.67

00:14:54.560 They're not here to fix any problems.

00:14:56.680 They're here to tell us that they're allies and they're listening.

00:15:00.320 So we're going to get a lot of struggle sessions.

00:15:03.780 And here, let me play you the struggle session from somebody who's talking about how they

00:15:08.540 can do better at NASA.

00:15:09.840 Doing this work of examining my own intentions and my own actions and their impact, I can see

00:15:15.140 that there's so much more that I could have done to make the projects I've led equally

00:15:19.940 welcoming to black, indigenous, and people of color as the white people they have engaged.

00:15:24.780 I feel a lot of shame and regret about that.

00:15:29.820 It feels like a hostage video, right?

00:15:32.520 Like you can see a gun somewhere pointed off screen.

00:15:36.200 You know, now I'm sure she actually believes this probably, but it reads like someone who

00:15:42.780 is, you know, they got a strange scrawled cue card in front of them as a guy in a mask

00:15:49.620 with an AK-47 off screen, you know, encourages them to read from the prompter.

00:15:54.940 But, you know, the most important thing is to recognize that, you know, she could have done

00:16:00.180 better.

00:16:00.520 The struggle session of, you know, the projects I had run, we've got to make the first priority

00:16:05.300 is not the excellence of the project, the ability of the people involved, the level of

00:16:11.800 scientific knowledge, or the ability to execute missions.

00:16:14.700 That is not the first priority.

00:16:16.440 The first priority is making sure that all of these special groups are listed, are feeling

00:16:22.120 good about being involved.

00:16:24.460 That's really the most important thing that one can do.

00:16:26.960 And I know that without looking head on at what I've done and not done, I won't be able

00:16:31.460 to do better.

00:16:32.480 So I'm looking forward to today's event and to this whole series as steps in my personal

00:16:37.200 and professional journey to make my work more anti-racist and therefore more effective in

00:16:42.560 reaching my aspiration.

00:16:44.420 So is it more effective?

00:16:47.340 Is NASA more effective now than it was in the 1960s?

00:16:51.340 I promise you that a lot of people, in fact, they've made entire movies about this.

00:16:57.960 So it's not like we have to guess about the progressive understanding of NASA.

00:17:02.080 A lot of them would be talking about how racist NASA was in the 1960s, how exclusionary it was

00:17:09.960 in the 1960s.

00:17:11.180 So has NASA gotten better at its job or worse at its job as she has been working to make

00:17:19.340 it less racist?

00:17:21.480 What's one out there?

00:17:22.800 Has it become more effective as anti-racism has become the mission or has it become less

00:17:28.540 effective?

00:17:29.220 Because we can't get to the moon and we certainly aren't going to Mars and we can barely retrieve

00:17:36.280 astronauts from the space station.

00:17:38.240 In fact, right now we can't at all.

00:17:40.620 So what is this done?

00:17:42.660 Has this improved the mission in any way?

00:17:44.860 No.

00:17:45.660 It is focused on, again, the political priorities, the current regime religion.

00:17:53.180 In fact, one could say that the focus on these things, the focus on anti-racism has reduced

00:17:57.720 the competency of this organization in the most observable terms.

00:18:03.380 So everything, you know, it says she says it'll make her more effective in her mission.

00:18:07.900 Perhaps it will, but her mission is not apparently reliably retrieving people from a space station.

00:18:13.520 It is not reliably delivering people into space.

00:18:16.740 It is not reliably traveling to other, you know, other bodies in the heavens.

00:18:22.920 Whatever her mission is, it has very little to do with actual space travel.

00:18:27.660 It may be a review for many of you, but these are those different characteristics that you

00:18:33.960 probably see coming up a lot in our workspaces, especially in the practice of science.

00:18:40.620 Perfectionism, a sense of urgency.

00:18:42.580 I'm sure all of us are feeling a sense of urgency about some of the deadlines that we maybe have

00:18:46.440 right now.

00:18:48.120 The idea of power hoarding, the idea of individualism over collectivism.

00:18:54.580 So this is a list of things that are white supremacy culture.

00:19:00.740 There's a list of things that are white supremacy culture.

00:19:02.880 And all of these things are things that you really, really want from people who are putting

00:19:10.480 other people in space.

00:19:13.240 If your goal is to put people in space, you really want to be a perfectionist.

00:19:19.820 That's not something you want to play slapdash with.

00:19:23.780 The current space capsule, I believe, like I said, there's a thruster problem.

00:19:27.480 I bet that the astronauts who are stranded on the space station, who thought they were

00:19:33.180 only going to be there for like eight days and are now going to be there for nine months,

00:19:36.840 maybe.

00:19:37.600 I bet that they really wish that the guy working on those thrusters had been a perfectionist.

00:19:44.060 And they probably don't care if that's white supremacy culture. 0.91

00:19:48.200 I get a feeling that the people trapped in a space station right now would probably have

00:19:52.860 preferred a white supremacist who is a perfectionist to someone who cannot get the

00:19:57.480 them home.

00:19:58.300 They want someone who could get the job done.

00:20:00.920 And so, you know, perfectionism, worship of the written word.

00:20:05.700 I hear that being able to read and write is probably a really good thing if you want to

00:20:10.620 get people to and from, you know, different bodies in space.

00:20:15.980 Objectivity, fear of open conflict.

00:20:20.460 I guess maybe we should be throwing things at people while they're trying to do math equations.

00:20:24.480 Let's see, sense of urgency.

00:20:27.920 Yeah, I think that's probably pretty important.

00:20:30.600 I would like the astronauts to get home on a very regular basis.

00:20:36.500 Having one right way.

00:20:38.260 You know, this is all, again, things that you probably want to be able to do if you're

00:20:43.720 operating a space program.

00:20:45.180 Quantity over quality, either or thinking.

00:20:50.660 And so all of these things can really limit the way we go about doing our work and they

00:20:56.320 can really limit the way we are able to connect with communities that come from different cultural

00:21:01.340 backgrounds that don't value these things.

00:21:03.440 Okay, so that's really important.

00:21:07.480 Our primary goal is not to get someone to space, not to return them alive.

00:21:13.120 Our most important goal is connecting with communities that might not believe in these things.

00:21:18.820 Why?

00:21:19.880 Why is that important?

00:21:21.180 Is that NASA's job?

00:21:23.260 It is now, just like everything else, right, in our current society.

00:21:26.840 That is now its priority, is connecting with communities rather than getting someone home

00:21:33.320 safe from a mission.

00:21:36.300 But the most important thing is the phrase where cultures and backgrounds that don't value

00:21:41.900 these things.

00:21:42.580 That's what I want you to hold on to.

00:21:44.200 Because, uh, we're going to look at Oswald Spangler and Spangler is going to point out

00:21:49.260 that actually it does really matter if you value these things.

00:21:54.060 That actually, that is core to how a civilization does science and whether a civilization can do

00:22:01.220 science.

00:22:01.880 And if your community does not value these things, then it probably just can't do science.

00:22:08.420 And maybe that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with your society.

00:22:12.940 Maybe that's simply your way of being, your life, the way that you prefer things.

00:22:18.280 But if you need to impose that way of being on the people who are doing science and going

00:22:22.560 to space, they probably can't go there anymore.

00:22:25.640 And that's functionally what this woman is saying, right?

00:22:28.680 Is these are all these, you know, perfectionism, uh, or sense of urgency, uh, actually caring

00:22:34.940 about the written word.

00:22:36.120 Like these are all things that are really, really important to doing the science.

00:22:40.880 So if your culture rejects these values, then, okay, I respect your culture, but then maybe

00:22:47.460 you shouldn't be involved in this, right?

00:22:49.880 If that is the position of your culture, I'm not here to argue with you about the position 0.80

00:22:55.220 of your culture.

00:22:56.700 That's the big mistake that a lot of conservatives make.

00:22:59.360 They say, oh, my job is to convince everyone that their culture is the same as mine, that

00:23:05.680 there's one universal culture and there isn't, there is not one universal culture.

00:23:11.460 And I'm not even going to be a chauvinist about my culture.

00:23:14.760 My culture is my culture and your culture is your culture.

00:23:17.780 And I'm sure that you prefer your culture and you are most comfortable in your culture

00:23:22.860 and good for you.

00:23:23.920 You should be, and you should have the right to live that way of being without interference.

00:23:30.200 I a hundred percent agree with that.

00:23:32.560 I wish you the best.

00:23:34.360 I hope for you the best, but I also have the right of my culture and the right for it to

00:23:40.520 develop and live its way of being without having to be forced into some other mold.

00:23:45.980 And if one form of culture gets you to the moon or to Mars, then that's what that culture

00:23:53.720 will do and good for them, right?

00:23:56.720 But trying to impose this on a culture that's trying to do things that directly rely on these

00:24:03.760 values, that's a problem.

00:24:07.000 So let's, uh, let's go to the Oswald Spangler here in a moment.

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00:26:08.500 So like I said, I wanted to bring you this passage from Oswald Spangler, because what

00:26:15.660 we're seeing now may seem very strange.

00:26:19.020 A lot of people are very confused about how this happened.

00:26:22.140 How is it that science has been completely destroyed by these people?

00:26:26.460 Because science was supposed to be untouchable, objective, right?

00:26:30.040 It is separate from everything else.

00:26:32.220 While you might have the infiltration of all of these crazy political correctness, DEI, woke

00:26:40.560 standards into social science or whatever, the soft science is okay.

00:26:46.900 But like the hard sciences, physics, biology, things like math, that stuff, engineering, that

00:26:54.760 stuff is critical for the functioning of human civilization as we understand it.

00:27:00.980 And so you can't, you can't play, you can't roll the dice with that stuff.

00:27:04.240 You can't just lower standards.

00:27:06.040 You can't just let people in because, you know, you feel like it.

00:27:10.400 Like you need to make sure that only the best and brightest are doing this.

00:27:13.340 And this was what a lot of people believed was going to happen with the woke stuff, right?

00:27:20.180 Maybe it'll go into your literature department or, you know, your sociology, even psychology,

00:27:25.680 that kind of stuff.

00:27:26.280 But it's going to stop when it comes to medicine, right?

00:27:29.000 It's going to stop when it comes to NASA.

00:27:31.740 They're not going to put this kind of stuff into your, you know, your different labs that

00:27:39.920 are studying pathogens, that kind of stuff.

00:27:42.200 It's going to be confined to those soft sciences.

00:27:45.300 That is not what happened.

00:27:46.700 It's spread through everything like a wildfire, right?

00:27:49.140 And it is destroying our capacity to do everything.

00:27:51.680 It's not just NASA.

00:27:53.180 We're at the point where now doctors pretend like they don't know what a man or woman is.

00:27:59.640 Not random politicians, not newscasters, you know, not people who run companies, people

00:28:08.980 whose job it is to do medicine, to work on the human body, are pretending that there's

00:28:14.600 no difference between men and women. 0.76

00:28:16.460 That kind of ideology is now being taught in medical schools, being selected for in medical

00:28:22.160 schools.

00:28:22.760 They are selecting people not based on their ability to do surgeries or save people's lives

00:28:27.840 or launch people into space and do calculations that are critical.

00:28:33.600 They are choosing them based on the race, their sexual orientation, how many things in

00:28:38.880 the woke DEI stack that they can put together.

00:28:42.200 That is across the board.

00:28:44.380 This is, again, this is not just in soft institutions.

00:28:47.360 This is in the military.

00:28:49.040 This is in the police force.

00:28:50.340 This is in NASA.

00:28:52.260 This is in your medical school.

00:28:54.580 It's everywhere.

00:28:55.820 So what happened?

00:28:57.660 I thought science was objective.

00:28:59.780 I thought science was just truth.

00:29:02.080 I thought that the rational, objective post-enlightenment revolution would have purged any of this kind 0.74

00:29:10.280 of silly religious ideology from the ranks of scientists. 0.65

00:29:16.800 Right. 0.96

00:29:17.080 So what's going on here?

00:29:18.920 Well, Oswald Spengler predicted this back in the early 1900s.

00:29:23.260 So I think it's worth going back and reading this because this is a guy who saw what was

00:29:28.480 coming a mile away and told you exactly why it was going to happen.

00:29:32.920 And I think it's going to unveil some critical things, not just about what is happening with

00:29:37.520 science right now, but what it means to be part of a culture and a tradition and why science

00:29:44.020 science is not itself, while the truths of science might exist outside of cultural perceptions,

00:29:50.980 that the actual practice of science and the perpetuation of scientific knowledge is actually

00:29:58.640 cultural.

00:29:59.080 There is some truth to this, right?

00:30:02.660 People are saying, people are complaining, oh, well, all your science is done inside this

00:30:07.360 European model.

00:30:08.140 Well, yeah, actually, a lot of it is.

00:30:10.420 A lot of it does rely on many of the values they were placing under that rubric. 0.95

00:30:16.580 I wouldn't call them white supremacy, and it would be pretty dumb of you to call them white 0.74

00:30:21.040 supremacy because they're critical things for the level of civilization we'd like to maintain 0.94

00:30:25.540 right now.

00:30:26.860 But they are things that are endemic to a particular tradition.

00:30:30.940 They are attached to a particular culture.

00:30:33.180 And if you abandon the values and practices of that culture and tradition, you will abandon

00:30:38.480 the knowledge attached to them.

00:30:39.800 You can't just keep the things you like and throw out all the cultural connections and

00:30:46.140 requirements.

00:30:47.260 You have to attach these things to traditions, to people who understand how to practice them.

00:30:53.280 You have to be willing to practice them.

00:30:56.100 Let's look at Spangler right here.

00:30:57.500 Now, this is from Oswald Spangler's Decline of the West.

00:31:00.380 For those who are unfamiliar, it's a two-volume book.

00:31:03.800 This is my Rogue Scholar edition.

00:31:05.380 It's worn out, as you can see, but even though the soft cover is a little flimsy due to just

00:31:12.880 the size of the tome, I still do like the edition.

00:31:16.320 It's very large print, well-blocked, easy to read.

00:31:20.800 This is from volume one.

00:31:23.360 What I'm putting up here is obviously just from the internet archive so we can read it

00:31:26.460 together.

00:31:27.620 But it's a long read.

00:31:29.520 It's a thousand pages across two volumes, so I understand why everybody doesn't make

00:31:33.700 the journey, but I encourage you to.

00:31:35.880 It's a fascinating book.

00:31:37.460 It changed the way that I understood the world, for sure.

00:31:41.440 But let's take a look here.

00:31:42.900 This is from the very end of the first volume.

00:31:46.760 And Spangler says here, it remains now to sketch the last stages of Western science.

00:31:53.700 I mean, the book is called The Decline of the West, so it's a black pill, just to go ahead

00:31:59.960 and warn you there.

00:32:01.100 From our standpoint of today, the gentle sloping route of decline is clearly visible.

00:32:06.660 So even to him in the 1900s, pretty clearly visible.

00:32:10.180 This too, the power of looking ahead to inevitable destiny, is part of the historical capacity

00:32:17.200 that is the peculiar endowment of the Faustian, and for him, the Faustian is the Western man.

00:32:24.840 The classical died, as we shall see, but it died unknowing.

00:32:30.760 It believed in an eternal being, and to the last, it lived its days with the frank satisfaction

00:32:36.120 each day spent as a gift of the gods.

00:32:39.900 But now, our history, but we know our history.

00:32:44.600 Before us, there stands a last spiritual crisis that will involve all of Europe and America. 0.88

00:32:50.980 Does that sound familiar?

00:32:52.300 Does that sound familiar at all, that ring true to our current moment?

00:32:58.380 What its course will be, late Hellenism tells us, the tyranny of the reason for which we

00:33:05.480 are not conscious, for we are ourselves its apex, its very culture and epoch between man

00:33:13.080 and old man and no more.

00:33:15.580 So what does that mean?

00:33:16.440 He says, we need to realize that we are in a tyranny of reason.

00:33:23.500 And for Spengler, I want to make it very clear.

00:33:26.040 It's not that these statements are value neutral.

00:33:29.040 Spengler certainly has values, and he certainly has beliefs, and he certainly has moral understandings

00:33:35.080 he's trying to impose.

00:33:36.260 So I don't want to explain this as a purely mechanical thing.

00:33:39.200 But Spengler is looking at these cycles as a somewhat mechanical, an inherent thing.

00:33:45.660 He wouldn't see them as mechanical.

00:33:46.980 He would see them as a metaphysical truth, a morphological cycle that these different

00:33:54.000 cultures go through.

00:33:54.940 He would probably reject the pure mechanical understanding.

00:33:58.820 But what he's saying is this is a definitive cycle.

00:34:01.000 We can see this over and over again.

00:34:02.580 So the tyranny of reason is not some particular problem, though it could be more exacerbated

00:34:09.200 or less exacerbated depending on your culture.

00:34:11.600 But this cycle is something that we can expect to see.

00:34:14.960 That's how he's predicting this.

00:34:16.520 He's looking to the past, seeing how other civilizations throughout history have responded

00:34:22.160 through and the things that they have gone through, and how it correlates to what we're

00:34:25.440 facing now.

00:34:26.540 And so he says, right now we are in the tyranny of reason, but we can't see it.

00:34:31.220 We're not conscious of it.

00:34:32.580 Because we are its apex.

00:34:34.780 We are living at the apex of this tyranny of reason.

00:34:39.840 And so we think that this is just the way life is.

00:34:42.840 People are hyper-rational.

00:34:44.660 And think about how much of our society is based on this lie.

00:34:49.260 Because people aren't hyper-rational.

00:34:51.300 But we believe ourselves to be hyper-rational.

00:34:54.440 And so we think, oh, well, politics is really about everyone getting together.

00:34:58.380 Yeah, I see this all the time.

00:34:59.760 People talking on Twitter.

00:35:00.760 They're like, why doesn't everyone just work out their own ideology and political beliefs?

00:35:05.700 Why isn't everyone just coming to a reasoned conclusion about every aspect of religion and

00:35:13.200 science and politics and investigating every single event?

00:35:17.040 And why aren't they experts on all these things?

00:35:18.600 And the answer is, that's not how people work.

00:35:21.260 But we have built a mythos about how we are hyper-rational.

00:35:25.640 And so we expect that from people.

00:35:27.380 And we explain the mechanisms of our society as if we are hyper-rational agents, even though we are not.

00:35:34.960 And so he says, you know, we look at ourselves and we don't even realize that we are trapped in this kind of tyranny reason because we are its apex.

00:35:43.740 We are the people most deeply drenched in this understanding of the world.

00:35:49.160 We are the fish that does not know it is wet.

00:35:51.800 We do not know.

00:35:52.620 We don't know.

00:35:53.400 We don't know what water is because we don't understand that we are currently swimming in it.

00:35:58.880 Its most distinct expression is the cult of exact science, of dialectic, of demonstration, of causality, of old the ionic.

00:36:12.420 And in our case, the Baroque were its rising limb.

00:36:15.640 And now the question is, what will be the form, the down curve, what form will the down curve assume?

00:36:23.120 So he says that the way that our tyranny of reason expresses itself currently is in the exact sciences.

00:36:31.240 This is the fact that we pride ourselves on our scientific ability, that this is the apex of our society.

00:36:38.200 That is really a, our particular manifestation of the tyranny of reason.

00:36:43.380 And just as in previous ages, reason has grown and formulated itself as the primary value and then eventually dissolved and fallen away, we will see the same cycle.

00:36:57.640 So what will this take?

00:36:59.580 What form will it take?

00:37:00.620 We know the form of its rise.

00:37:02.200 We know what it looks like when it comes to science and demonstration and causality and dialectic.

00:37:07.460 But what does it look like when it is falling?

00:37:10.940 What does it look like when it is coming apart?

00:37:13.380 In this very century, I prophesy, the century of scientific, critical Alexandrianism, of the great harvest, of the final formulations, a new element of inwardness will arise to overthrow the will to victory of science.

00:37:31.260 So we're in this age of science, right?

00:37:36.160 But he says there's going to be an inwardness, an inward looking obsession that overthrows the current obsession with science.

00:37:45.020 Exact science must presently fall on its own keen sword.

00:37:49.540 First, in the 18th century, its methods were tried out.

00:37:53.500 And then in the 19th, its powers, and now its historical role is critically reviewed.

00:38:02.040 So he's saying we moved from the point where science was rising, right?

00:38:05.120 We saw the Enlightenment and scientific revolution kind of bring science to the forefront.

00:38:11.180 We concentrated our energies and our purpose on turning everything into a science, right?

00:38:16.740 This is one of the problems with the Enlightenment is it tried to turn – it looked at the scientific revolution and tried to take science and apply it to everything, politics, sociology, psychology, all these things.

00:38:28.260 Religion, this is manifestations of science into these domains that were not previously scientific.

00:38:35.120 So we saw the rise of science and then we saw the demonstration of the power of science, right?

00:38:39.900 We get the Industrial Revolution.

00:38:41.620 We see the rapid changes in the world.

00:38:44.400 I had a grand – I had a great, great grandfather who I knew.

00:38:47.600 He lived to be 103.

00:38:48.520 He lived from a time in which there was no indoor plumbing or electricity in most buildings, where the plane had not yet been invented, where the automobile was still a strange novelty, rarely seen, to a point at which computers were in everybody's home.

00:39:11.600 He had a radical redefinition of the world around him.

00:39:15.980 Everything changed in his lifetime.

00:39:18.660 And that was the power of the science.

00:39:20.360 That's the demonstration of the power that Spangler is talking about.

00:39:24.080 But he says the final thing that happens is the historical role is critically reviewed.

00:39:30.640 This is what a lot of people see right now, right?

00:39:32.840 When people talk about this Marxist turn in science, this is what they're talking about is the critical review of the role of science.

00:39:41.220 It is now the way in which it is being questioned, whether it is even valid in its current formulation.

00:39:50.240 And that's what you are seeing, right?

00:39:52.120 He is prophesying, as he says in this passage, the exact event you will see now, where NASA is not about science.

00:40:01.140 It is about critically reviewing the methodology of science.

00:40:05.800 It doesn't want to do science better.

00:40:07.900 It wants to review the way that science is done at all.

00:40:11.220 And that is what is happening, right?

00:40:13.260 When you start singling out all of those different traits and saying, oh, that's white supremacy.

00:40:19.120 That's white supremacy.

00:40:20.080 We can't do that anymore.

00:40:21.500 You are critically reviewing.

00:40:23.680 You are dismantling the scientific tradition piece by piece in the name of, you know, equality.

00:40:30.740 But from skeptics, there is a path to second religiousness, which is the sequel and not the preface of culture.

00:40:40.300 Men dispense with proof and desire only to believe and not to dissect. 0.75

00:40:44.740 So he's saying, at the end of this very skeptical model, where we are staring and dismantling science, we've used science, we built science up, we've applied it to everything.

00:40:55.940 We feel like we understand everything scientifically.

00:40:58.260 Then we start turning in on ourselves and we start pulling the science back apart, critically reviewing it.

00:41:03.680 And he says, eventually we get to the point where we don't even want to critically review it anymore.

00:41:08.040 We're tired of being rational.

00:41:10.440 We're tired of dissecting things.

00:41:12.540 And we just want to believe in things again.

00:41:15.960 We want to return a second religiousness. 0.98

00:41:18.400 And this is something you see is a much wider part of Spengler's work.

00:41:21.760 I can't go into the whole thing here.

00:41:23.420 But, you know, Spengler believes that every every civilization has an animating metaphysical symbol, a Dasein, as you might call it if you're Heideggerian.

00:41:34.760 And that that Dasein is is often a manifest itself in a religion. 0.85

00:41:41.720 There's like a founding religion that is tied to that Dasein.

00:41:44.860 And that at the end of this, we are becoming rational, right?

00:41:49.580 We're separating ourselves from that metaphysical understanding, that Dasein and that religion. 0.93

00:41:56.780 And we try to extract a lot of the things that defined our culture and defined who we are.

00:42:02.340 A lot of things that we think as advantageous, we want to extract them and make them purely material, purely atheistic.

00:42:08.880 And when we do that, we start to hollow out the meaning of all these things.

00:42:13.760 It turns out that that cultural Dasein, that connection to the metaphysical, was critical to the creation of these cultures.

00:42:22.900 And so when we and again, he says this is not just Western culture.

00:42:26.800 He says this is a very repeatable thing that we see over and over and over again inside the civilizational cycle.

00:42:37.180 And so he's, you know, he says that what happens at the end of this critical stage is that ultimately people want to be able to just believe again.

00:42:46.200 They don't they want to just reconnect to the metaphysical and they don't care.

00:42:49.980 But he says the second religiousness is not a sequel to or is not a preface to the culture.

00:42:56.400 It's a sequel.

00:42:57.200 This is not a return to the culture.

00:42:59.280 It's not a it's not a genuine reconnection to the Dasein, to the metaphysical spirit.

00:43:04.200 Instead, it is a basically a hollow echo.

00:43:08.100 So the second religiousness that comes after will be one that is not as rich, not as connected to the general, the genuine metaphysical founding of the culture.

00:43:20.020 And I think we can see a lot of this when it comes to wokeness.

00:43:23.240 At this point, the insight that wokeness is a religion is not particularly novel.

00:43:27.920 It was back when Curtis Yarvin was making it in 2007, but now your average political commentator, heck, half of your average political audience can can now recognize the religious nature of progressiveness, progressive secular humanism or wokeness, as people call it.

00:43:46.840 And so this is a very real manifestation of the second religiousness.

00:43:50.580 We are moving into this moment where people are ready to discard the scientific because they want to believe in something.

00:43:59.600 But the thing that they want to believe in is ugly and a hollow shadow of what came before.

00:44:05.400 Back to Spangler here.

00:44:07.380 The individual renounces by laying aside books.

00:44:10.980 The culture renounces by ceasing to manifest itself in high scientific intellects.

00:44:17.800 So, again, we think of science as something that's permanent.

00:44:22.800 Once you've made a scientific discovery, it's just there forever.

00:44:26.320 You know it.

00:44:27.160 The end.

00:44:28.180 But that's not actually how science works.

00:44:30.860 Science, while it might have a set of objective facts, those facts have to be accessed.

00:44:38.300 And to access them, you must move through specific cultural understandings.

00:44:43.280 You have to have a method to reason through, prioritize, and reach those understandings and apply them.

00:44:51.100 If you can't apply them, if you can't reliably reach and apply those understandings, then the raw facts of science don't mean much to you.

00:45:01.420 And so he says the way the culture walks away is first the individual lays aside the books.

00:45:05.980 And then the culture stops manifesting itself in high scientific intellects.

00:45:11.660 That's what it was doing before, right?

00:45:13.920 We used to put all of our intellects into some of our highest intellects and things into things like religious studies.

00:45:21.280 And now we put them into science.

00:45:23.780 And so the general, you know, the level of understanding of religion has waned and the increase in reliance on things like science has waxed.

00:45:34.640 But now we are in this moment where we are abandoning the science as well, where we now find that to no longer be a worthwhile cultural pursuit.

00:45:43.640 Back to Spangler here.

00:45:45.060 But science exists only in the living thought of the great savant generation.

00:45:50.580 This is really important.

00:45:51.740 I'm going to read it again.

00:45:52.320 But science exists only in the living thought of grit of the great savant generations.

00:45:58.880 And books are nothing if they are not living and effective in men worthy of them.

00:46:04.840 Scientific results are merely items of an intellectual tradition.

00:46:09.940 Now, a lot of scientists won't like that, right?

00:46:12.660 A lot of scientists will not like that.

00:46:14.340 That will say a lot of people, a lot of classical liberals, a lot of people who believe in hyper rationality,

00:46:20.240 universality, universality above all, they will say, no, science is universal.

00:46:25.060 The truths are universal.

00:46:26.200 They're absolute.

00:46:27.220 They're objective.

00:46:28.480 They are not attached to a culture, intellectual tradition.

00:46:33.340 But they are, right?

00:46:35.380 The science only exists if you have great minds dedicating themselves.

00:46:40.880 The books only matter if they are being lived, if they are actively read and actively applied by men worthy of them.

00:46:49.600 The scientific results are not just some objective thing.

00:46:53.100 You don't hit a watermark and then you never go back.

00:46:56.200 That's not how history has worked.

00:46:57.440 We know that, you know, the classic example, after the fall of the Roman Empire, several technologies completely just fall off the map.

00:47:04.540 Things that we knew how to do, not rediscovered for hundreds of years because the intellectual tradition was lost.

00:47:12.640 All of the structures underlying that scientific learning were lost.

00:47:17.060 And so just because someone achieved the scientific learning at some point doesn't mean that magically now that development tree is just unlocked for all of humanity for the rest of existence.

00:47:28.020 If you don't have the great savant generation, if you don't have the men worthy of the books of the tradition, then it all falls away.

00:47:38.080 Like, it continues the death of a science that no one any longer regards as an event and an orgy of two centuries of exact scientificness brings saity.

00:47:50.820 So the fact that no one is really excited about science anymore, you know, major scientific breakthroughs like we talked about with the space program, right?

00:47:58.360 The fact that we reached the moon used to be a huge deal.

00:48:01.160 We were driven.

00:48:02.260 Oh, man, what an amazing thing that we that we now can go to the moon, that we can go into space.

00:48:09.220 The wonders were open.

00:48:10.880 People were starry eyed in the most literal sense of that term, I suppose.

00:48:17.120 Not literal exactly, but you know what I'm saying.

00:48:20.120 You know, as true as that term can be, that they had this optimism about their ability to go to the stars and they were excited.

00:48:27.780 It was an event.

00:48:28.640 But after we did it again and again and again and again, actually, we kind of got bored with it.

00:48:38.120 We thought, well, it's not that important anymore.

00:48:40.500 Now that we can do it regularly, it's just not that interesting.

00:48:43.500 And this is generally true of science now.

00:48:45.900 And so we start to be self-satisfied with this.

00:48:49.540 Not that not the individual, the soul of the culture itself has had enough.

00:48:56.020 And it expresses this by putting into the field of the day even smaller and narrower and more unfruitful investigators.

00:49:03.980 So he's saying it's not just that the individual is no longer interested.

00:49:08.520 The culture as a whole is not interested because the culture no longer values these things first.

00:49:13.280 And as we can see at NASA, they no longer value the science first.

00:49:16.960 They value the diversity.

00:49:18.720 They value the inclusion.

00:49:20.180 They value the opportunities that they can provide.

00:49:22.940 And connecting with cultures that don't necessarily value the things that make traveling to space possible.

00:49:29.400 Again, Swingler is predicting all of this and saying we will just simply put fewer and fewer able people into these things because we just don't value them anymore.

00:49:40.660 The great century of the classical science was the third after the death of Aristotle when Archimedes died and the Romans came and it was already almost at its end.

00:49:51.040 Our great century has been the 19th.

00:49:53.720 And now he goes, I'll just go ahead and end it there because then he starts really laying out all of the history.

00:50:00.660 And again, I encourage you to read Spangler.

00:50:05.700 Fascinating.

00:50:06.640 But this was the part that I really wanted to bring up here ultimately.

00:50:12.800 So just in closing, I think it's critical for us to understand that what we're seeing now is not an accident.

00:50:20.120 It's not weird.

00:50:20.880 It's not as strange as we think it might be.

00:50:24.220 It's actually something that's happened before.

00:50:26.360 Not in this exact way.

00:50:27.900 Every cycle is a little different.

00:50:30.380 Every cycle of history is a little different.

00:50:33.380 But it definitely has a specific pattern to it.

00:50:37.940 And that's why Spangler was able to predict the situation we're in now where people would walk away from science, where people would be uninterested.

00:50:44.940 They would just stop investing in science as we understand it.

00:50:49.360 And that that would have the kind of effects that we're seeing now, where NASA basically just gives up on being able to reliably send people to space.

00:51:00.900 They sacrifice that on the altar of diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:51:05.360 And, of course, they're not alone.

00:51:07.040 Air travel is less reliable.

00:51:08.620 You know, the quality of your health care is going down.

00:51:12.800 You know, the competency crisis that we talk about is all tied to this.

00:51:17.540 That competency was part of a specific tradition, a specific understanding of the world.

00:51:22.820 And for anyone to access it, they have to buy into those things.

00:51:27.200 They have to buy into all those values that were labeled white supremacy there.

00:51:30.920 And so if you abandon that tradition, if you're not willing to join into that tradition, whatever your race may be, then you're going to have difficulty accessing the things that that tradition provides.

00:51:40.280 It's going to be difficult to operate in that mode, that function, that understanding.

00:51:44.500 And the less your culture is interested in investing in those great minds, those great books, those things that build the very structures of a society that can do the science, the more it's going to lose that ability.

00:51:59.140 And that's what we're seeing now across the board in every domain.

00:52:03.240 We are sacrificing our ability to do most of the things that keep a civilization functioning because we are obsessed with with putting other cultures, other traditions in instead of saying, look, if you're going to be involved in this, you have to prioritize these things.

00:52:19.600 You have to value these things.

00:52:21.180 Maybe even the valuing of them isn't universal.

00:52:23.140 But if you want to be a part of this, you have to adapt.

00:52:26.300 We used to call this assimilation, right? 0.94

00:52:29.600 Integration.

00:52:30.000 If you actually want people to assimilate to a culture, they have to value these things first.

00:52:35.780 And if they fail to value these things, and our entire culture gets used to not valuing these things to accommodate people who don't want to really integrate, then we end up abandoning the things that were built on this tradition.

00:52:49.380 And that's what Spangler is talking about.

00:52:51.100 But as soon as you say, oh, no, the most important thing is valuing some other tradition outside of this that doesn't really practice this stuff, doesn't really think it's important, you're going to lose the ability to do it.

00:53:03.740 And we're not the first ones.

00:53:05.260 This is not the first time this has happened.

00:53:07.020 This is part of the cycle of history, which doesn't mean that you can't take individual action.

00:53:13.620 But I just think it's important to understand, at least in the Spanglerian sense, perhaps you are not as deterministic.

00:53:19.780 You're not as fatalistic as Spangler.

00:53:21.180 Spangler was very fatalistic.

00:53:22.860 He had the famous quote that optimism is cowardice.

00:53:26.760 So, you know, perhaps you don't want to buy in entirely on Spangler's understanding.

00:53:31.280 I get that.

00:53:31.740 I don't buy every part of Spangler's understanding as well.

00:53:34.220 But still, the fact that he was able to reliably predict this kind of thing means something.

00:53:40.160 Even if he doesn't have the whole thing right, he has something about this right.

00:53:43.320 And I think that means that we should take the time to contemplate the role that traditions and that cultural understandings and passions and desires have on the maintenance of science.

00:53:55.780 We tend to treat science as this far off objective thing that it happens no matter what.

00:54:01.200 Right.

00:54:01.520 It doesn't matter.

00:54:02.140 Science just exists out there in the world.

00:54:05.500 Once we've achieved it, it's locked in.

00:54:07.440 But that is not really the case.

00:54:09.120 Spangler makes it very clear that actually science is heavily dependent on culture and cultural understanding.

00:54:14.300 And we have an organization like NASA that says, we don't want to do these things anymore because we don't like white people anymore. 0.88

00:54:19.980 And this is considered to be white.

00:54:22.160 Well, if those things are critical to the scientific tradition that gets you into space, you're just going to get worse at going into the space.

00:54:28.800 And you can call that tradition whatever you want.

00:54:30.860 But if you're not willing to integrate into it, if you're not willing to adopt its values and place those values above everything else,

00:54:38.140 then you will lose the tradition and you will lose the ability to place that savant generation into those positions.

00:54:45.920 And you will put people who are weaker at each one of these roles until eventually they simply get worse and worse and people just fall apart.

00:54:54.300 Because they say, why continue to do this?

00:54:56.420 We can't even do what we used to do 50 years ago, 100 years ago.

00:55:00.960 Better to just enter into the second religiousness phase. 0.97

00:55:03.580 Better to just abandon this tyranny of reason for something else that we can believe in.

00:55:09.940 And the fact that Spangler, again, was able to see that from that distance is very important.

00:55:14.820 All right, guys.

00:55:15.260 Let's go over to our reading here, or rather our questions of the people here.

00:55:23.140 Creeper Weirdo says, look at the woke getting put away. 0.99

00:55:26.460 It's almost gone, guys.

00:55:27.660 Really?

00:55:28.280 Yeah.

00:55:28.540 I mean, I don't mean to dance on anybody's grave, but obviously Academic Agent owes me a cigar.

00:55:35.240 There's really, if he's in denial at this point, then I don't know if I'm ever getting the cigar.

00:55:40.500 But yeah, I've racked up about 1,000 victory laps on him at this point.

00:55:45.880 So probably best to just hand over the cigar.

00:55:48.780 But I understand.

00:55:50.760 It's bad pro wrestling to throw in the towel early.

00:55:53.620 You got to fight it out to the end, even if it's very obvious that you've lost.

00:55:56.940 Tiny Stupid Demon says, as a retired software engineer, I can assure you most people are absolutely no idea the extent to which civilization is kept running by a small number of highly competent individuals.

00:56:07.280 Yeah, you know, that's kind of the famous, if you guys have seen that famous cartoon of the guy and he travels back in time and all these people are like, oh, the electricity. 0.73

00:56:17.520 And he's telling them electricity does this and electricity does that.

00:56:20.500 And they're all amazed at all the things electricity to do.

00:56:23.240 And they're like, well, how do we make this electricity?

00:56:25.600 And he says, oh, I don't know.

00:56:26.440 And that really is the situation.

00:56:28.520 We like to think of ourselves as very advanced and sophisticated people because we live in an era where a very small number of savant minds, like the ones that he's talking about, very capable people, keep our civilization afloat.

00:56:41.280 But that is not what the majority of people do.

00:56:44.220 Actually, the majority of people are not very rational and are not connected to that tradition and don't put their time or energy into this.

00:56:51.860 And so without that continued investment of the top tier into that scientific tradition, it will simply fall away.

00:56:59.900 And that was really what Spangler was predicting and what we're seeing.

00:57:03.660 He says, again, engineering is inherently right wing because reality and the laws of physics are no way influenced by your emotions or voting if you respect these laws or people die.

00:57:14.580 Yeah. And that really this really ties back to for those who are familiar with previous streams and videos I've done on this.

00:57:22.460 Nick Land's assertion that politics in our current democratic understanding is inherently left wing, that when things are up for debate, when there's an integrative dialectic in the public, they will move left wing inherently.

00:57:39.060 It is these axiomatic truths, ones that are key to operating something like science, which are very right wing, as we kind of understand right wing, because they do not allow for politics.

00:57:50.440 It's either right or wrong. And you either do it or you die.

00:57:54.160 You know, either the bridge holds weight or it doesn't. Either the space capsule gets you home or it doesn't.

00:57:59.620 There's not really a lot of debate, but you see, that's what they wanted to do.

00:58:03.060 That's what they hated in that video, right?

00:58:05.100 The white supremacy was saying there's only one way to get something done.

00:58:07.940 Well, what if there is only one way to get something done?

00:58:10.300 What if that is actually just the right answer and the things that your tradition comes up with are wrong, which makes your tradition not as valuable in this pursuit?

00:58:18.960 I'm not saying that your tradition isn't valuable in other ways.

00:58:22.100 I'm not even saying that my tradition is superior to yours, but I'm saying that this tradition is better at this.

00:58:29.000 And so you have to at least value those aspects of the tradition if you want to be able to do the science.

00:58:36.000 And so there's really no room for debate.

00:58:39.340 There's no room for hearing all opinions and honoring all cultural differences when you're trying to do these very specific things.

00:58:45.940 If you want to label those things as part of a specific culture, fine.

00:58:50.860 Okay.

00:58:51.900 But they still have to get done.

00:58:53.720 So rejecting them is just not an option if you actually want to get these things done.

00:58:58.680 Creepy Weirdo says 2016 never, never, never ends.

00:59:02.000 Never, ever.

00:59:02.480 Yep.

00:59:03.260 I hear you.

00:59:05.100 Let's see here.

00:59:05.900 Torn McCabe says a favorite debate moment was Ezra Klein owning Sam Harris on science.

00:59:12.540 Sam says science doesn't have to be political.

00:59:14.720 And Klein says I'm making science political.

00:59:17.360 Yeah, that's, that's, I don't, I'm not familiar with that.

00:59:20.780 I'll have to look that up because that's actually a great moment.

00:59:22.620 But if that was indeed the, the exchange, that's a, that is a beautiful thing.

00:59:26.920 Yeah, there's one of those moments where the woke is more correct than the mainstream, right?

00:59:31.640 The woke says, oh no, the science is all part of a, you know, it's all political.

00:59:35.600 It's all got implications.

00:59:36.560 It's all part of a particular cultural tradition.

00:59:39.040 And the scientists are like, no.

00:59:40.860 And it's like, actually, yes, actually it is.

00:59:43.220 It is actually tied to these things.

00:59:44.700 And abandoning these things does have a deleterious effect on your ability to do science, which is entirely dependent on this tradition.

00:59:52.460 All right, guys.

00:59:53.340 Well, we're going to go ahead and write, uh, uh, uh, wrap.

00:59:56.920 That's the word I'm looking for.

00:59:57.940 We're going to go ahead and wrap this one up.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 28, 2024

How Wokeness Destroyed Science ｜ 8⧸28⧸24

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