The Auron MacIntyre Show - How Woman-Beating Became an Olympic Sport ｜ Guest： Nate Hochman

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00:00:30.160 Hey everybody, how's it going?

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00:00:38.420 So Kyle Rittenhouse has decided he's not voting for Donald Trump,

00:00:41.560 and a lot of people are super angry about it.

00:00:44.160 It turns out that we're just one more released felon away from winning the entire black vote,

00:00:49.660 so it's important to go after Kamala Harris for imposing some form of law and order.

00:00:54.940 And as you guys have probably seen from the Olympics,

00:00:58.240 we're now just beating women.

00:01:00.460 Biological men are beating women bloody in front of giant crowds after a satanic opening ritual.

00:01:06.260 And, you know, it's really just August, so things can only get better from here.

00:01:10.660 Joining me to talk about all this is Nate Hockman.

00:01:13.180 He's a senior advisor over at American 2100.

00:01:16.320 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:17.780 Hey, thanks for having me, man.

00:01:18.680 Good to be back.

00:01:19.920 Absolutely.

00:01:20.900 So I guess we can just start off with a little bit of the Olympic stuff.

00:01:26.180 I'm sure you saw the opening ceremony, or at least the snippets that were going around everywhere.

00:01:31.400 Not a great start for the 2024 Paris Games.

00:01:35.840 But looming behind this, this story was kind of building up before the actual fights even took place,

00:01:41.940 was the fact that there were multiple female boxers that were going to be competing

00:01:48.120 who had been previously disqualified due to their testing as biological males.

00:01:56.680 They were disqualified from the 2023 Women's World Championships of Boxing,

00:02:03.440 and I guess that's the standard there.

00:02:06.460 Now, in the Olympics, they have their own thing where basically they let each sport decide

00:02:11.160 what their policy is going to be in that competition.

00:02:14.520 You would think you'd want the one for the physical combat sport to be the most stringent,

00:02:21.220 but apparently that's not the case.

00:02:23.200 Can you fill people a little bit in if they haven't seen kind of what happened here?

00:02:28.080 Yeah, I mean, the whole thing is just sort of ridiculous.

00:02:30.040 Even at a zoomed out level, we're at the point where like conservatives are defending

00:02:33.800 women's combat sports, you know, like I saw, I think you retweeted this today.

00:02:38.260 So I think I saw it on your feed where it's like, you know, normie conservatives are like,

00:02:41.460 you know, in my America, only biological women will be beating up other biological women.

00:02:46.860 Yeah, the crush the orbital socket of my daughter.

00:02:49.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:50.360 Yeah, exactly.

00:02:52.000 Which is like,

00:02:53.200 do I have to defend this?

00:02:54.620 But obviously at a level you do because it's an assault on the gender binary.

00:02:59.260 It's an assault on, you know, the very basic biological distinctions that make us who we

00:03:03.100 are.

00:03:03.720 So at a certain level, we have no choice but to defend women's combat sports.

00:03:08.720 The case with you and I were talking about this a little bit before the show, the case

00:03:13.180 with the boxer, and I honestly, I think the correct pronouns are he in this case, because

00:03:20.440 it is a biological male.

00:03:22.140 But it's a little more complicated than like a normal cut and dry that this person was

00:03:27.420 born an unambiguous man, they went through a gender transition, they became a woman.

00:03:32.060 It's, it's difficult.

00:03:33.520 Like the problem is traditionally you have media and journalists who you would go to to sort

00:03:38.660 of explain this to you.

00:03:39.900 And they're also ideologically committed to total obfuscation that they're completely

00:03:43.640 useless, if not worse than useless.

00:03:45.460 So I can't, I think my understanding, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, is that this

00:03:49.340 is an intersex person who is born with versions of both male and female genitalia, but had male

00:03:55.720 chromosomes.

00:03:56.280 So for all intents and purposes, he's a biological male, and you almost don't need to get into

00:04:02.560 the details because if you look, it's like, I know when I see a situation where if you look

00:04:05.960 at them boxing an actual woman, it's very clear that this is somebody who is mostly, if not

00:04:11.220 a hundred percent male.

00:04:13.200 And it's, you know, it's, it's, it's obvious to anyone who can see it.

00:04:17.200 Like you don't actually need to explain it or unpack it further than that.

00:04:20.080 Yeah, like you said, it's very frustrating because the, the media's desire to obfuscate

00:04:27.700 the reality here made it very difficult because the boxer who I'm going to get the name wrong

00:04:33.760 as well as everything else, but it's, it's a main Caliph from Algeria, however, that's

00:04:40.320 properly pronounced.

00:04:41.520 And the boxer squared off against Angela Carina from Italy.

00:04:47.600 And like you said, it's the, the contrast was so stark.

00:04:51.440 It was ridiculous.

00:04:52.220 The, the Algerian boxer is just hulking over this woman.

00:04:55.840 Uh, they, she quit 46 seconds into the fight, got punched in the face once, uh, you know,

00:05:03.020 and just, and said, done, I, there, there's no way I'm doing this.

00:05:06.560 You could see the blood pouring out of her face already.

00:05:08.880 It was very clear the mismatch here.

00:05:11.600 And like I said, it, it's hard to tell exactly what the biological condition surrounding

00:05:17.460 this is like, it's not the standard.

00:05:19.780 It's not just a transvestite.

00:05:21.180 It's not just somebody who decided, you know, to go through the surgeries or take the treatments

00:05:24.980 or someone, it is someone with a biological condition, at least as far as we know, it may

00:05:29.400 not be the case.

00:05:30.140 Again, it's just very difficult through the reporting to actually get a real information.

00:05:35.120 The point is either way, this person did fail a test as a biological male that much.

00:05:40.400 We know for sure it's X, Y chromosome.

00:05:42.280 This person has the benefit is the beneficiary of, uh, a male physiology, at least to, to

00:05:49.380 a certain degree.

00:05:50.480 And when you're in that scenario, look morally, you know, just talking about, you know, mental

00:05:56.600 health and other scenarios, a person who is born into a situation like this, they haven't

00:06:03.080 done anything wrong, right?

00:06:04.140 This is just something that they didn't make a choice here.

00:06:06.260 They didn't have some kind of a mental crisis and decide to make terrible decisions or,

00:06:11.460 you know, get bad, bad medical advice about what to do to their bodies in order to fix

00:06:15.080 this as somebody who's born into a condition like that.

00:06:17.560 So you understand like that in itself is not a problem.

00:06:20.260 However, when we're talking about women's sports or any kind of sports, especially at

00:06:24.240 an Olympic level, you're going to be talking about the tails in the distribution, right?

00:06:28.760 You're not talking about the average person.

00:06:30.660 And so having these extreme, uh, benefits because you have a certain percentage of, uh,

00:06:36.980 male advantage is going to be huge.

00:06:39.800 And when you have the scenario where you are born with this, even though it's not a choice

00:06:44.720 that you made, there should still be probably an understanding that obviously you then have

00:06:50.180 to make a decision on kind of which of the genders you're going to live as, which one

00:06:54.980 you're going to go ahead and align with, uh, but you, you probably shouldn't be involved

00:07:00.440 in combat sports, you know, maybe archery, maybe a little bit of a curling, you know,

00:07:06.840 something like this.

00:07:07.740 But when it's literally coming to combat, when it's about beating someone in the face, if

00:07:12.940 you were born a male, even if you, there are medical complications that leave you in a

00:07:16.760 situation where perhaps you do actually need to go ahead and present yourself as a female

00:07:21.200 because of medical complications, you should not be in the business of beating someone

00:07:25.480 live on television who is biologically female.

00:07:29.260 Yeah.

00:07:29.780 The interesting thing is like, since the transgender debate kind of exploded on the scene, I mean,

00:07:35.040 in really five, six years ago, one of the red herrings the left would always throw out

00:07:40.200 would be like intersex people.

00:07:41.700 This was one of the first that I can think of prominent examples of this, you know, infinitesimally

00:07:48.000 small point zero, zero, how many, however many zero, 1% of the population demographics

00:07:53.700 that doesn't fit perfectly into the gender binary.

00:07:56.820 And the left used that tiny demographic basically as a, as a, as a ideological premise for one

00:08:02.520 of their ideological premises for deconstructing the entire gender binary.

00:08:05.620 Like look at this tiny group of people see the gender binary doesn't exist.

00:08:09.300 Um, but to your point, like they do have a male chromosome and even like the, the unfortunate

00:08:15.500 thing about being a conservative or at least a conservative who is like in politics and

00:08:20.560 is making arguments is by the time you're already making this argument, you kind of

00:08:24.960 already lost, right?

00:08:26.060 Right.

00:08:26.320 Like that should be obvious to anybody at a pre-rational, pre-ideological level.

00:08:32.080 When you see a guy who looks like a guy punching a woman in the face for sport as the crowd cheers,

00:08:39.480 that this is obviously wrong, right?

00:08:41.460 Like the, the correct state of affairs in a healthy society is one in which you don't

00:08:46.760 have to formulate ideological arguments for why it's wrong.

00:08:50.520 Everyone just gets it, right?

00:08:51.800 It is like, and I know it when I see it, um, type of situation.

00:08:55.680 And, you know, the left does all of these kinds of clever two steps in the way they make

00:09:00.980 these arguments.

00:09:01.460 Like I saw a bunch of lefty journalists over the last 48 hours arguing on Twitter.

00:09:05.960 Um, well, you know, if you make it about, uh, a bone density or, or testosterone concentration

00:09:13.000 or X, Y, Z, like X woman, who's a kind of genetic freak of nature would actually be disqualified

00:09:18.000 as well.

00:09:18.420 Cause it's true.

00:09:18.900 Like if you make it to the Olympics in a lot of sports, male or female, you are a genetic

00:09:22.320 freak in all kinds of ways, right?

00:09:23.940 Right.

00:09:24.400 The women like Simone Biles has exceptionally high testosterone concentration for a woman,

00:09:29.260 right?

00:09:29.480 She's still a woman.

00:09:30.380 Everyone gets that.

00:09:31.080 She's a woman.

00:09:31.580 Um, so the left in like a weird contorted way kind of has a point where if we're trying

00:09:36.820 to argue against this on the basis of testosterone concentration or bone density or all these

00:09:42.840 things, like we will lose because there are all kinds of exceptions to that rule.

00:09:47.260 The best way to argue against it is again, like a pre-ideological level.

00:09:51.240 That's wrong.

00:09:51.980 Everyone knows that's wrong.

00:09:53.180 But unfortunately, because the left is quite effective at advancing their cultural causes,

00:09:57.640 we have, uh, moved past that point already.

00:10:00.880 And we have to come up with arguments for why this obviously wrong thing is obviously

00:10:05.200 wrong.

00:10:05.600 Yeah.

00:10:06.140 This is the, the Nick land that, you know, to have this debate is to lose it, that to

00:10:09.860 have this public integrative debate is to immediately abandon the axiom that men and women are radically

00:10:17.760 different.

00:10:18.300 And therefore it's, it's obvious because the things that make us men and women are physical,

00:10:24.600 but they're also spiritual.

00:10:26.340 They're also psychological.

00:10:27.960 They are sociological.

00:10:29.660 They have several different components and the hyper-rational desire to go ahead and parse

00:10:35.700 every one of these individual things out will eventually, like you said, go ahead and produce

00:10:40.740 the scenario where you're picking through each part of the ideological, uh, assembly saying,

00:10:46.340 oh, well, no, because, uh, you know, and athletes and, you know, female sports in this area have

00:10:51.160 this particular thing.

00:10:52.120 Therefore you're just going to disqualify everyone or, well, the purpose of marriage

00:10:55.260 isn't having kids because sometimes people don't have children when they're married, you

00:10:58.260 know, like by picking out those liars, by arguing each one of those things, you go ahead and

00:11:02.600 disassemble something that is otherwise obvious.

00:11:04.940 And that is so often the mistake that people on the right make.

00:11:09.380 But I think it's important that this story is important for many different reasons.

00:11:14.360 Like we got here for a reason.

00:11:17.040 Uh, a lot of people who are outraged about this are people who were ideological leftist

00:11:22.860 people who are, you know, kind of the, I didn't leave the left, the left, left me types, the,

00:11:26.420 the IDW rational centrist types.

00:11:28.880 And like, oh, how could we possibly, you know, be in this point where men are beating women

00:11:33.740 up for sport on live television?

00:11:35.940 And the answer is because you did this, because you brought us here, even conservatives, I

00:11:41.560 think in a, in a big way we're involved with this, but let me bring up JK Rowling's, uh,

00:11:48.280 point here.

00:11:48.960 She, you know, she put out this tweet and said, uh, you know, could any, could any picture sum

00:11:53.840 up, uh, our new men's rights movement better?

00:11:56.860 Yes.

00:11:57.460 Men's right activists did this.

00:11:59.080 It's all the MRAs.

00:12:00.140 Those, those, those online MRAs.

00:12:02.140 They're the ones who did this.

00:12:03.240 The smirk of a male who knows he's protected by a misogynist sporting establishment.

00:12:09.080 Yes.

00:12:09.620 The Olympics known, known for their outright misogyny and, uh, enjoying the distress of

00:12:14.220 a woman he's punched in the head and whose life, uh, life's ambition, he's just shattered.

00:12:19.980 So JK Rowling occasionally comes out and says something moderately based when it comes to

00:12:27.440 the trans issue, right?

00:12:28.580 Somebody who, who has garnered a lot of, uh, fire for being particularly loud on this issue

00:12:35.500 and only this issue.

00:12:36.940 However, every time she does this conservatives run and flock and say, Oh, Rowling so based

00:12:42.620 one of us only a matter of time.

00:12:44.700 You're a right winger now, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:46.260 Uh, but then whenever someone like, say I've seen like Matt Walsh replied to her, she gets

00:12:50.720 really angry.

00:12:51.360 It's like, Oh no, I'm not one of you.

00:12:52.640 I'm not, you know, I'm not one of you deplorables, untouchables, the chuds, you know, I'm not,

00:12:56.540 I just, I just have this one issue.

00:12:58.280 I'm just a rad femme.

00:12:59.280 Otherwise, yeah, I'm a, I'm a total lib.

00:13:02.440 Uh, and, uh, it's this constant framing of, Oh, well I, I, you know, I'm against this,

00:13:09.040 but only because ultimately I'm really a feminist.

00:13:12.220 I'm really against misogyny.

00:13:13.820 That's the only reason I can find to actually oppose what's happening here.

00:13:17.460 It's not the problem that I've been deconstructing, uh, gender archetypes for decades.

00:13:22.140 It's not that we've been under this societal revolutions completely destroyed how we structure

00:13:27.140 everything about male and female relationships.

00:13:29.340 That's not the problem.

00:13:30.340 It's just this moment right now when a woman is finally being pummeled in the face by a

00:13:34.780 biological man that I finally know, Oh, maybe there's an issue.

00:13:37.620 Well, it's probably still the men's fault.

00:13:39.020 Yeah, dude, I hadn't seen that, that post.

00:13:42.900 I just, in my rightful age of 26, I'm already exhausted.

00:13:49.580 I don't even know what it's going to be like when I'm 36.

00:13:51.500 I just, I, this stuff, the right is, I mean, there's a reason that like the right's called

00:13:56.700 the stupid party and the left's called the evil party, right?

00:13:58.780 It's a cliche, but it's, you see stuff like this and you can't miss why it's true because

00:14:04.260 it's the, the depressing thing is not that you have this ex lib who's moderately good

00:14:10.380 on trans issues, who still is liberal.

00:14:12.640 The depressing thing is conservatives love it, right?

00:14:16.660 Yes.

00:14:16.880 Like this is the exact same thing.

00:14:18.300 I've been on a jihad against this particular talking point for the last like month.

00:14:22.300 Uh, this is the exact same thing.

00:14:23.320 It's like the Democrats are the real racists trope that everyone's familiar with who

00:14:26.680 watches your show at least, which is conservatives have internalized to such a substantial extent.

00:14:33.580 Their enemies, core ideological premises that they cannot help, but make arguments against

00:14:40.220 their enemies on the grounds that their enemies established, right?

00:14:43.160 So you have this with all of the arguments on race against the Democrats, right?

00:14:47.520 The Democrats are the KKK, the Democrats are the real racists, right?

00:14:51.160 Like I, some guy reposted this video from some like black Republican, uh, the other day,

00:14:58.080 uh, defending gun rights.

00:15:00.180 And it was like the black Republican with like an AK 47 as these Democrats and Ku Klux Klan

00:15:06.060 hoods, you know, crept up, you know, into his backyard.

00:15:08.880 And everyone's like, that's awesome.

00:15:10.940 It's because he's exposing who Democrats really are.

00:15:14.480 It's like, yeah, Democrats are putting on Klan hoods and like, you know, hunting black men

00:15:18.680 for sport in the year of our Lord 2024.

00:15:20.400 It's that little stuff, but it's, it's, it's indicative of these deeper pathologies in the

00:15:26.280 conservative political imagination where, um, they fundamentally see the world through liberal

00:15:33.880 premises because unbeknownst to most of them, I think, and a lot of them are probably doing

00:15:38.280 it in good faith.

00:15:39.280 Some of them aren't, um, they, uh, they are also governed by the same liberal narrative

00:15:46.200 hegemony as a result of the total state that you were about, wrote about in your new book

00:15:49.900 is as, as everyone else's very few people are actually intellectually independent enough

00:15:55.120 and ideologically independent enough to understand the fact that there is an alternative to liberal

00:16:01.100 political premises.

00:16:02.200 So when we're arguing against transgenderism, it's because transgenderism is misogynistic.

00:16:07.280 It's a men's rights movement, right?

00:16:09.060 When we're arguing against Democrat or, you know, Democrat policies, it's because the

00:16:12.960 real problem is the racist, the black people, right?

00:16:15.320 That's the real problem with the democratic party.

00:16:18.000 There is, I mean, it's like little stuff, right?

00:16:19.660 At the RNC, they had this, um, the first night, which was the worst night.

00:16:23.540 They had this woman with a heavy accent from, I think, Venezuela arguing against illegal immigration

00:16:30.440 because the number one victim of illegal immigration is legal immigrants, right?

00:16:34.560 And it's like, yeah, it's just, there's, conservatives are incapable of thinking of taking their

00:16:39.240 own side on every single issue.

00:16:41.440 And ultimately, like you can go down the line, but that's why they've lost every culture war

00:16:46.080 issue of importance, maybe with the exception briefly of abortion.

00:16:50.300 That's, that's controversial, um, for the last, since the 1960s, since the launch or the

00:16:55.360 creation of the modern culture war, because they are not actually culturally right-wing themselves,

00:17:00.720 even if they think they are.

00:17:02.320 Yeah.

00:17:02.800 And again, we see this because they've been so terrified to defend any of this stuff or,

00:17:07.640 you know, fight back against any of this stuff until it really hit this point.

00:17:11.920 Conservatives totally abandoned the idea that men and women were different until it came

00:17:18.080 to them beating each other in the face.

00:17:19.680 They totally abandoned the idea that men should have men's only spaces and the women should have

00:17:25.300 women's only spaces until it literally ended up with creepers in their kids, uh, you know,

00:17:30.000 locker rooms.

00:17:30.680 They abandoned all of these things that were fundamental building blocks of society for

00:17:36.360 thousands of years.

00:17:37.840 The way that everyone had lived their lives for a very long time and were critical to social

00:17:44.440 organizations.

00:17:45.620 Conservatives were unwilling to conserve any of that stuff until we end up in a scenario where

00:17:51.420 a woman is literally getting beaten within an inch of her life on television for everyone's

00:17:56.120 amusement, or some pervert is wandering into your 13 year old's locker room to leer around

00:18:01.360 while pretending to wear a wig.

00:18:03.100 These are the only things that trigger that.

00:18:04.560 And the fact that conservatives were so unwilling, the right was so unwilling to stand up and say,

00:18:09.400 no, actually these things are different.

00:18:12.100 Gender roles have existed for a very long time.

00:18:14.580 They don't just exist to keep men from beating up women in a boxing ring or to keep men from wandering

00:18:20.780 in and staring at a woman in a changing room.

00:18:23.420 They exist for many reasons to protect men and women to, to allow society to function.

00:18:29.120 And maybe we shouldn't just wait to, to talk about the deconstruction of those things until

00:18:34.000 they end up with a woman bloody on the, on the mat on an Olympic ring.

00:18:37.980 Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

00:18:39.840 And every step of the way in, you know, as the left kind of successively made their way through

00:18:45.800 every last remaining cultural, you know, the hangover of the old cultural distinctions,

00:18:51.900 conservatives made their arguments with the, with some notable exceptions.

00:18:56.340 I think, you know, the religious right doesn't get enough credit for being, you've talked about

00:18:59.600 before, I think being right about a lot of stuff that, that nobody gave them credit for at the time.

00:19:03.740 And they were marginalized and treated as kooks by the conservative establishment for the most

00:19:07.940 part.

00:19:09.220 But conservatives, every step of the way, made these narrow tailored arguments against the

00:19:14.140 particular policy on the grounds of that particular policy.

00:19:17.980 Right.

00:19:18.140 And they tried to formulate like social conservatives during the marriage fight, I think honorably

00:19:23.640 and notably, there are some smart people who are trying hard to make this argument.

00:19:27.560 They made the argument against marriage or they tried to make the argument against gay marriage

00:19:32.040 on the grounds of children's rights, right?

00:19:34.120 Children have a right to a mother and a father.

00:19:36.540 It's not the worst framing when we're talking about these issues.

00:19:39.540 Like it's true, right?

00:19:40.560 Like if you're talking about concern for children, you are, you know, obviously children do do

00:19:47.420 better under a mother and a father.

00:19:49.880 And there's all kinds of social science.

00:19:51.120 They muster to show that.

00:19:52.440 But ultimately, it's still a retreat from the idea that there's a natural moral order and

00:19:56.680 the society's structure should reflect that natural moral order.

00:20:00.600 And if you're appealing to like liberal rights, even if it's, you know, totally legitimate

00:20:05.620 appeals, you're already internalizing all kinds of liberal premises and you're never going

00:20:11.340 to beat the left at rights talk, right?

00:20:13.700 Because the left is always, the left is the party of infinite, never increasing rights.

00:20:18.360 So once conservatives have lost the battle on the actual moral order question, which ultimately

00:20:25.060 is what all this comes down to, they have lost.

00:20:28.060 And then it's, I mean, you see this time and time again, it's only a matter of time until

00:20:31.540 they lose in the material political sphere as well.

00:20:34.560 No, we're the real civil rights revolution that you don't understand.

00:20:37.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:20:38.560 Yeah.

00:20:38.740 No, I don't know if you ever saw that video going around.

00:20:41.280 I think, I think Logan Hall actually had it posted at one point, but it was Alan Keyes

00:20:45.680 and Obama debating gay marriage.

00:20:48.580 And Alan Keyes just makes this natural law argument that wrecks Obama, just runs, you

00:20:55.120 know, laps around Obama.

00:20:56.580 And, but the whole point is like, and then Obama became president, you know, like Alan

00:21:01.180 Keyes can make the best, most logical, philosophically grounded argument can utterly embarrass this

00:21:08.200 man intellectually on live television.

00:21:10.420 And nobody cares.

00:21:12.320 Like nobody cares.

00:21:14.080 Yes.

00:21:14.560 So for, for those thinking that you're just gonna, you know, definitely outmaneuver your

00:21:19.480 opponent.

00:21:20.160 Yeah.

00:21:20.320 I saw a lot of people getting very angry at Donald Trump and this will kind of move into

00:21:24.940 our, uh, our discussion here a little later about your, your piece recently, but they

00:21:29.140 got very angry at Donald Trump because he questioned whether or not Kamala Harris was black, right.

00:21:33.840 When he was at this event talking to black reporters and they're like, no, you have to stick to the

00:21:38.320 substance.

00:21:38.840 You know, Ben Shapiro was on there.

00:21:40.000 We, we need the facts.

00:21:40.980 We need the logic.

00:21:41.660 We need the arguments.

00:21:42.460 Like, no, no, that's, that's, that's, is it your first time watching a political contest?

00:21:48.560 Like, I don't, I just, one day, one day we're going to get this message through, I guess.

00:21:53.500 But, you know, argue, I guess ironically we'll make the argument that the arguments are not

00:21:57.880 the key, but at some point it has to sink into the conservative mind that, yeah, like, obviously

00:22:03.480 you want to be able to make the arguments.

00:22:04.980 You want to have that intellectual background.

00:22:06.500 If you need to go, uh, you know, the whole nine innings, you should be able to do it,

00:22:10.600 but that is ultimately not what drives any of this.

00:22:14.540 It's not what drives politics.

00:22:15.640 It's not what drives public opinion.

00:22:17.100 It's not what, uh, drives culture.

00:22:19.440 Like, like arguments matter.

00:22:22.060 Rationality matters.

00:22:22.820 But at some point, Republicans, conservatives were told that they lost because they were

00:22:27.600 stupid.

00:22:28.720 And since then they've never recovered from that.

00:22:31.280 You know, they, they were, they were told that they just couldn't, you're the big dumb

00:22:34.660 jock.

00:22:35.180 You're never going to be able to handle it.

00:22:36.820 You know, you let, let the experts, let the smart people handle this stuff.

00:22:39.720 And ever since then, they've been trying to, you know, shove the glasses up and get the

00:22:43.380 pocket protector ready and say, okay, we're going to dominate debate club.

00:22:46.820 And meanwhile, you know, Democrats haven't even touched that.

00:22:50.060 They don't even care.

00:22:51.300 The arguments don't matter.

00:22:52.320 And they keep wrecking you because they understand that actually emotions, identity, you know,

00:22:56.960 these are the things that actually frame the majority of political and cultural contests.

00:23:01.900 No, a hundred percent.

00:23:04.000 I mean, I always have to remind myself, and I don't always do a good job of like really

00:23:08.340 internalizing it, that as a sort of, you know, political addict guy who works in politics

00:23:13.000 full time, the average voter spends probably five minutes a day on average, max, maybe thinking

00:23:20.020 about politics and has the accumulated political knowledge of somebody who spends about five

00:23:25.000 minutes a day thinking about politics, right?

00:23:27.220 And the, in, especially in a mass democracy, which is, you know, the political system we have

00:23:31.780 now, the way that winning coalitions are put together, that power is wielded, that, you

00:23:38.280 know, elections are won, et cetera, is vibes, for lack of a better word, right?

00:23:42.920 Like vibes, the old beer test, which now it's like, you know, misogynistic and sexist because

00:23:48.500 it's male coded, but it's obviously true of like the politician that you'd rather have

00:23:52.440 a beer with is generally the politician who wins, has more explanatory power for elections

00:23:57.900 than like the most advanced, sophisticated political science models known to man, right?

00:24:02.860 Like it is, there are policy issues that matter, that some voters care about, especially when

00:24:08.040 they affect their lives in a material way.

00:24:09.860 There are some arguments that can be persuasive, but conservatives wildly overestimate, you know,

00:24:16.620 the level to which that is what wins or loses elections.

00:24:19.700 You know, he made a better argument.

00:24:20.840 He had a better policy pitch.

00:24:22.100 It mostly vibes most of the time, right?

00:24:24.620 And, you know, Trump, people in the attempt to sort of construct an intellectual Trumpism,

00:24:30.540 which I'm sympathetic to in all kinds of ways, people overestimated the level of vibes

00:24:36.860 with him as well.

00:24:38.040 He was running on real issues that Republican voters cared about.

00:24:41.260 It was true that the reason that he kind of circumvented the entire Republican establishment

00:24:45.760 is because they had had nothing but contempt for their base for decades, particularly on the

00:24:50.260 issue of immigration.

00:24:51.000 And that he tapped into an issue like trade, which probably won him in the blue ball states.

00:24:55.680 But a huge part of it, like it couldn't be just anyone running on that agenda on, you

00:25:01.660 know, immigration restriction, you know, negotiating better trade deals, et cetera.

00:25:06.160 It had to be Donald Trump running on that agenda because it was a vision.

00:25:10.160 It was a message.

00:25:10.760 It was a feeling.

00:25:11.680 It was a sensation that he was tapping into.

00:25:13.780 But the average voter is a bundle of this, you know, complex, inextricable cohort of,

00:25:19.280 you know, emotions and anger and resentment and fears and ambitions and dreams and like

00:25:24.920 all of these different things that normal people feel that makes them a human being.

00:25:28.420 And like 5% of that is their answer to any sort of policy question on a public opinion

00:25:35.320 poll.

00:25:35.820 You can't really understand voters by just viewing them as like the sum total of their

00:25:40.180 answers to like, what do you think of abortion?

00:25:41.860 What do you think of abortion?

00:25:42.600 That's not how they work.

00:25:44.860 And that's why, you know, the pro-lifers for a long time have pushed all these polls

00:25:49.360 showing that like overwhelming majorities of Americans support restrictions on XYZ kind

00:25:55.380 of abortion procedure.

00:25:57.940 And all of these abortion bills are going down in flames in like deep red states when they

00:26:03.100 get put to a vote, because even though those voters are ostensibly pro-life, they don't like

00:26:08.600 the idea of an abortion restriction on a vibes level.

00:26:11.840 And I think pro-lifers don't understand that.

00:26:13.900 But to be fair to pro-lifers, like I don't think most of the conservative movement understands

00:26:16.800 that either.

00:26:17.680 Yeah, I had this conversation many, many times with guys from the DeSantis camp.

00:26:24.040 No, no offense here.

00:26:25.260 But I had this conversation a million times where like, no, but don't you understand DeSantis

00:26:30.960 is better on the issues?

00:26:32.180 Yes.

00:26:32.660 Don't you understand that DeSantis is a better executive?

00:26:35.040 Yes.

00:26:35.400 Then why are you saying Trump's going to win?

00:26:38.020 Because it's not about those things.

00:26:39.740 It has nothing to do with those things.

00:26:41.320 Yes.

00:26:41.820 In a laboratory, DeSantis is a wildly better candidate in every way.

00:26:46.660 Can't argue that at all.

00:26:48.920 But you have to be blind to not see the storyline, the narrative, the movement behind Donald Trump,

00:26:56.060 whether you think him worthy of it or not, whether you believe him to be any of the things

00:27:01.080 that people have entrusted him with, that's not the question.

00:27:04.860 That's not the question.

00:27:05.760 That's not the political question.

00:27:07.520 The question is, who has that zeitgeist?

00:27:10.180 Who has that momentum?

00:27:11.380 Like who has built that aura and built that following?

00:27:14.700 And at the end of the day, when people walk into those voting booths, that's what they're

00:27:20.060 looking at.

00:27:20.800 It's not, well, I see DeSantis check three more boxes.

00:27:24.040 I see Kamala Harris check these.

00:27:26.100 That is not the issue at all.

00:27:29.220 Yeah, well, I was just going to say really quickly about going down the tangent on that

00:27:33.180 and without getting into the ignominious end of the campaign with, you know, a story

00:27:39.420 for a different day.

00:27:40.420 I don't want to give myself too much credit at all, obviously, but this is something that

00:27:44.780 I was like screaming at the top of my lungs for months and months on the campaign was,

00:27:50.900 you know, DeSantis, like he's on the spectrum, right?

00:27:55.180 Like, let's just be honest.

00:27:55.920 The reason he was such a great governor is like, he's probably a little autistic, right?

00:28:01.080 Yes.

00:28:01.340 Gets things done.

00:28:02.180 The trains run on time.

00:28:04.060 And I love my state.

00:28:05.620 I love my state.

00:28:06.460 Trains get exactly where they need to go.

00:28:08.540 But to that point, like even beyond the trains, although that's obviously important, like

00:28:12.120 the reason that he did so well on COVID when a lot of other red states didn't like pretty

00:28:19.760 early on, it's true, yeah, Florida locked down for a little bit, right?

00:28:22.560 But they opened up by summer 2020.

00:28:25.000 Well, this guy, this is like, you know, based autist, you know, to the max, he went back

00:28:32.200 and basically gave himself a crash course in like February 2020 on epidemiology and like

00:28:39.160 read every paper on epidemiology that had been written in the last century, read like six

00:28:45.780 books about like the Spanish flu, right?

00:28:48.140 And like studied the, you know, the contrast between them and came to the conclusion independently

00:28:52.360 of every single expert like power center in the country that they were all wrong, which

00:28:57.680 is like about as ballsy as you can get in a situation like that and then stuck with it,

00:29:01.580 right?

00:29:01.860 So what was his downfall in the campaign was he thought he could do everything himself

00:29:06.700 to an extent, but that's actually what made him such a good governor.

00:29:09.140 So all that is a way of saying like, he did actually have a vibe that worked as governor

00:29:14.760 of Florida, right?

00:29:15.780 And it was like the kind of base autist, right?

00:29:18.300 Like, yeah, he's awkward, but in like, he's our guy kind of love it because he like doesn't

00:29:23.340 care, right?

00:29:24.900 But when you're running against Donald Trump and when you're running a national operation,

00:29:28.460 you know, just being talking ad nauseum about all the things you can do, right?

00:29:33.520 Like all the things you did and how good you are at doing things is not actually, you know,

00:29:38.380 how you tap into the soul that allows for the creation of a mass political movement.

00:29:44.560 And I think, I just don't think that, that he was able to sort of internalize that because

00:29:51.460 it was so foreign to the way he understood how politics works, which is why he's the greatest

00:29:56.720 Republican governor in the country, but it's also why he was never going to be, you know,

00:30:00.440 Donald Trump.

00:30:01.500 Right.

00:30:02.020 All right, guys.

00:30:02.540 Well, we're going to move on here.

00:30:04.000 We've got, of course, Kyle Rittenhouse and his abandonment of Donald Trump in the current

00:30:09.900 election.

00:30:10.900 We also have, you know, will the African-American community suddenly abandon the Democratic

00:30:16.480 Party if you just tell them that Kamala Harris is tough on crime?

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00:31:46.280 So let's go ahead and hear Kyle Rittenhouse here real quick.

00:31:49.660 He had a prepared statement that he ended up reading in this video.

00:31:53.560 Hi, I'm Kyle Rittenhouse, Outreach Director for Texas Gun Rights.

00:31:57.080 A lot of people are upset that I said I'm going to be writing in Ron Paul for President

00:32:01.460 of the United States.

00:32:02.740 And that is true.

00:32:03.560 I will be writing in Ron Paul.

00:32:05.760 Unfortunately, Donald Trump had bad advisors making him bad on the Second Amendment.

00:32:10.020 And that is my issue.

00:32:11.540 If you cannot be completely uncompromisable on the Second Amendment, I will not vote for you.

00:32:17.560 And I will write somebody else in.

00:32:19.380 We need champions for the Second Amendment or our rights will be eaten away and eroded

00:32:23.520 each day.

00:32:24.460 I support my decision and I have no take backs.

00:32:29.480 No take backs.

00:32:30.960 No takesies backsies.

00:32:32.420 All right.

00:32:32.820 So a lot of people are very angry at Kyle Rittenhouse here.

00:32:37.440 How could he betray Trump?

00:32:40.200 How could he stab him in the back?

00:32:41.540 I want people to remember a few things.

00:32:44.300 Now, I am obviously somebody who is a word sell.

00:32:47.880 Make my living online, writing things, putting out a book or whatever, doing a show.

00:32:52.720 But I am also somebody who grew up on military bases.

00:32:57.600 I am somebody who has a lot of friends and a lot of family who are service members, a lot of people who are involved directly in combat.

00:33:06.800 I have a really, really high degree of respect for people who have endured violent situations and come out in a brave way.

00:33:17.820 So whatever people think about Kyle Rittenhouse, this guy won an appeal to heaven, right?

00:33:24.360 Like he's in this scenario where he should be dead.

00:33:27.600 And instead, he was able to fight off basically a crowd, single-handedly, shot only the people who were trying to kill him, which is an amazing thing.

00:33:39.420 That is a level of people who have never fired a gun, especially under any kind of stress, do not understand how difficult it is to do what he did.

00:33:48.320 Managed to kill only pedophiles and wife beaters, right?

00:33:52.700 Good shot.

00:33:53.720 Right, right.

00:33:54.260 An amazing feat all by itself.

00:33:56.480 And when he did that, he did something that most people are just never going to do in their lives.

00:34:04.120 And that deserves a lot of respect, an incredible amount of respect, a lot more respect than I should get for tweeting stuff out somewhere, right?

00:34:12.440 Like this is a guy who truly defended himself and an area important to him in a moment of extreme stress and did so incredibly.

00:34:26.480 And the fact that people are so quick to jump on this guy is brutal.

00:34:30.560 Look, he was young when this happened.

00:34:32.640 And if he, in a more civilized age, they would have given him a fiefdom in the hand of a minor noblewoman, right?

00:34:39.900 Like that's how he would have been taken care of.

00:34:42.240 But instead, this guy, he's like, what, 18?

00:34:45.780 And he, all of a sudden, he's internet famous.

00:34:47.940 He can't get a job anywhere, right?

00:34:50.280 Like you're in the world where like a lot of people know who you are, but no one wants to touch you, right?

00:34:55.840 A lot of people who should be backing you up or abandoning you.

00:34:58.900 Maybe he speaks at a TPUSA conference ever once in a while or something, but it doesn't have a real life.

00:35:04.460 He doesn't have a real job.

00:35:05.460 He doesn't have this transition into kind of a stable thing.

00:35:08.800 And so, yeah, I can get it.

00:35:10.840 Like, is he making a dumb decision here to kind of, I'm a second right absolute or second amendment absolutist.

00:35:17.840 And so, therefore, I can't possibly back Donald Trump because he's not perfect on gun rights.

00:35:23.220 Is that a dumb position?

00:35:24.280 Yes.

00:35:24.880 But ultimately, you recognize that maybe this guy isn't a thought leader and everyone who, you know, defends the world against communists doesn't need to be a thought leader.

00:35:33.700 I'm okay with guys who are really good at taking out communists and then leave the ideological stuff to other people.

00:35:40.700 And that's really where Rittenhouse should have been.

00:35:42.420 But because of his situation, he gets elevated into this awkward, you know, public speaking situation, and he just gets manipulated.

00:35:49.420 And so I just I don't understand people like I get not agreeing with him, but I understand people who get really angry, really offended about this.

00:35:57.480 Because obviously, at the end of the day, he's a young guy who just did not I don't think had a normal kind of transition into adulthood, didn't learn some important lessons and probably wasn't ready to be like a thought leader in the conservative movement.

00:36:11.620 But he's just a guy who was really brave and did something brave and should be praised for that.

00:36:17.620 No, I totally agree.

00:36:21.120 The the problem with the conservative movement's decision, or at least some people in the conservative movement's decision to elevate him is that it does create this dynamic where whatever he says gets scrutinized.

00:36:32.100 He says something that, you know, maybe was dumb or whatever, and people get really mad at him, which isn't fair to him.

00:36:37.740 It wasn't fair to him. I'm sure he thought it was great at the time, but as a young guy, it wasn't fair to him that powerful people in the conservative movement decided to make him a public figure.

00:36:47.060 The thing you were saying in the earlier part of that, I wrote actually at the time, like during the Rittenhouse debacle, I wrote a column or an essay about this for National Review, and it got spiked because they said it was too extreme.

00:37:00.420 But but the not the National Review.

00:37:03.700 I don't like the last, you know, right wing extremism.

00:37:07.920 But so, like, obviously, we don't live in a republic anymore.

00:37:11.340 And for all intents and purposes, we don't have a people that are capable of sustaining a republic anymore.

00:37:16.520 But there are and this is like where I'm, I guess, a little more optimistic about America or Americans, at least in pockets of the country than some people on the right.

00:37:25.920 There are parts of the country where a degree of those old small are republican virtues still exist.

00:37:33.800 And republican virtues, it's not virtue in, like, the moralistic purity sense.

00:37:39.340 It's virtue in the sense of self-reliance, independence from any being being reliant on anybody else, being able to fend for yourself, defend yourself, a degree of courage, right?

00:37:51.940 You know, being morally upright in the way that you conduct yourself, all of those things like that was the kind of classical republican citizen.

00:37:58.000 And Rittenhouse and the other people who were with him were actually an example of that to an extent where they took it upon themselves.

00:38:09.060 Like they went they were going into this community because the cops had totally abandoned it and were like scrubbing graffiti, you know, off of businesses and had taken it upon themselves at great personal risk, clearly.

00:38:19.900 And also, you know, universal condemnation from the media and the state, et cetera, to defend this place that was their community or was adjacent to their community when the state had totally abandoned it.

00:38:31.260 Like that actually is like a small flicker of the old American character.

00:38:36.600 It's like it used to be that it would be expected that that was something you do.

00:38:41.580 People start rioting in your community.

00:38:43.560 Americans get some people together, you know, local militia.

00:38:46.140 They get some guns and they go out and defend their community.

00:38:48.040 They don't need to wait for the cops to come.

00:38:50.300 They don't need to wait for the state to tell them whether it's OK.

00:38:53.340 It's their community.

00:38:54.300 They have the capacity to defend it and the courage to defend it and go do it.

00:38:57.840 So in that sense, like Rittenhouse outside of the ideological stuff, like the the group of people he came from and the impulse that they demonstrated is like this quintessentially American virtue that should be celebrated to a great extent.

00:39:17.140 And it shows that at least a small number of like the old small Republican antibodies to total tyranny still exists.

00:39:24.940 You have to push pretty far before you get, you know, you activate them, like you have to start literally burning down their city for active them.

00:39:30.240 But like so I totally agree, like he actually should.

00:39:34.500 You know, it was it was a it was a really important moment for people who are despairing about the country to actually see someone go out and do something like that.

00:39:44.000 But he shouldn't. But but but he was a kid and nothing about what he did, like that courage, as commendable as it was, meant that he was going to be a good conservative thought leader.

00:39:54.660 Like they were completely different characteristics. And we found out pretty soon that he wasn't a good conservative thought leader.

00:40:01.840 Right. Like I tweeted this like a year ago, like the kids should have been allowed to ride off to the sun into the sunset.

00:40:07.660 We should have found a way to give him a bunch of money. Like, I guess he's got a girlfriend now.

00:40:11.680 I don't know what her deal is. You know, give him a signature.

00:40:14.980 He'd be like he deserves all that and much more. But elevating him to like this guy that goes and speaks on college campuses, you know, as a representative of, you know, TPSA or whatever conservative or was a mistake.

00:40:28.100 Because it'd be found out pretty soon. And this is not like trying to be mean to him that like he wasn't good at that.

00:40:33.460 Like he's not particularly articulate. He hasn't thought through political ideas at a very deep level. That's fine.

00:40:39.320 Like he I'm better at that than he is. He's better at like, removing communists.

00:40:47.000 Yeah, exactly. Removing communists. Yeah.

00:40:48.680 So anyways, I'm kind of ranting. But the point is like he is a man that deserves a lot of praise for the thing that made him famous.

00:40:57.620 And he should have been allowed to ride off into the sunset. And it's a tragedy that the people around him didn't allow him to do that or didn't give him the advice to do that.

00:41:06.420 And the result is you get like, you know, debacles like this, which is clown shows. He says something stupid. People get too mad about it, you know, et cetera.

00:41:13.100 Yeah, there's there's this impulse for the right every time they find someone who agrees with them or someone who does something impressive to be like, oh, you're a musician.

00:41:22.100 Oh, you're a you're a a like college athlete or something. But you happen to be right wing.

00:41:29.120 Well, now you're basically like living on this press tour. You're you're a media personality. And all you do is basically go to like the the the right wing version of comic cons and, you know, give give a little speeches and sign pictures and stuff.

00:41:43.180 There's this weird obsession where the the only thing to do, the only way to kind of reward someone who does something heroic or something noteworthy is to like shove them into a media personality space, which is just not what the vast majority of people actually want to do or are good at.

00:42:01.580 And that's OK. Like, actually, we need a lot more people who are good at what Cal Rittenhouse does than what we do.

00:42:09.020 But it's you know, but and then when you do this, you put a guy like Rittenhouse in front of people. Eventually, he ends up getting manipulated.

00:42:16.180 He gets in and drawn being drawn into something like this. And like I said, ultimately, the whole point of talk about this was mainly to tell people chill out.

00:42:25.040 OK, the guy has done more, more good on the earth than most people will ever do.

00:42:30.500 So let him let him just have his life. You know, it's like you said, better for him to to kind of ride off into the sunset than anything else.

00:42:39.040 So the last thing I wanted to talk about was a piece that you wrote recently and has been a topic of conversation.

00:42:46.080 We talked about having this discussion a little bit ago. And so since then, there's been a couple of different people who have had similar discussions.

00:42:52.980 But I think it's worth still getting into both Matt Walsh and Steve Dace have talked about kind of the obsession, the Republican obsession with winning the black vote.

00:43:03.280 The black vote is the holy grail. Once you win the black vote, the skies will open.

00:43:08.980 You'll be transformed. It's a spiritual revelation that will completely go ahead and remake the United States.

00:43:15.400 That's all that matters. And their strategy to do this is the worst strategy possible, which is, you know, the brothers are going to flip.

00:43:24.080 Right. That's the you know, Steve Dace always makes that joke like the brothers be flipping narrative is always attached to this idea that if you can just do

00:43:31.420 criminal justice reform, if you would just let more people out of jail and you maybe maybe you could even paint Kamala Harris as this evil cop who has been jailing black men,

00:43:42.140 that that is what is going to win over this, like, deified voting bloc and suddenly and suddenly bring in the Republican Revolution.

00:43:51.920 Like I said, you went into a lot more depth on this. But what is the fallacy here?

00:43:55.940 What are the attacks that they're trying to make and why are they doomed to fail?

00:43:58.920 Yeah, I saw this guy. I think he's doing good work, so I don't like attack him by name.

00:44:05.040 Some people who saw the tweet know that I'm talking about, but he's doing like voter outreach and he has this long tweet about how he's he's making inroads in like the state prisons.

00:44:15.520 And he's like, we're winning the felon vote. It's like, what, dude?

00:44:19.680 You know, like, why? You know, like, why are we courting the felon vote?

00:44:23.580 You know, it's it is this allergic reaction to courting the real mass political constituency that still does exist for the GOP and for right wing politics.

00:44:33.180 To the tune of tens of millions of voting eligible, non-college educated whites, disproportionately concentrated in swing states, in the places where Republicans or anyone needs to win to get to an electoral college majority.

00:44:48.380 Where honestly, if we turned out a fraction of them, not only would we have an electoral college landscape, we have a popular majority.

00:44:54.000 Like a popular majority for the right still exists in this country, but they're notoriously difficult to turn out.

00:45:01.380 Part of the reason they're notoriously difficult to turn out is the Republican Party never really prioritizes turning them out.

00:45:06.460 The last time they turned out on masks was like Ralph Nader in the 90s. Right.

00:45:11.300 And Trump turned out a fraction, a tiny fraction of this low propensity voter base in 2016 and won. Right.

00:45:19.040 And he made inroads with every single demographic except for white men in 2020, which is where he lost ground.

00:45:24.780 And he lost. He put aside like the fraud and electioneering, which is obviously a real issue.

00:45:28.540 But it's also true that I think he got talked into by some people who were idiots into thinking that, you know, there's rumors that like Jared Kushner told him that if he passed the first step back, he'd win the black vote.

00:45:40.080 Right. Totally ridiculous.

00:45:42.060 Anyone who like knows the first thing about politics.

00:45:44.760 And I've seen the platinum plan.

00:45:46.320 Yeah, right. Exactly.

00:45:47.240 The next Lil Wayne, you know, endorsement is really going to bring it home.

00:45:52.020 But like you did have this absurd scenario where Trump would go do these rallies in like 98 percent white counties in Wisconsin and spend 30 minutes talking about the black unemployment rate.

00:46:03.860 And it's like these people don't care because you're not speaking to them.

00:46:07.320 You're speaking to a demographic that, you know, it's not like they hate black people or whatever, but you're not talking to them anymore.

00:46:13.320 You were talking to them in 2016 and you were speaking for them.

00:46:17.240 Which is why they love you.

00:46:18.800 If he showed up to a black church, he wouldn't be talking about unemployment in, you know, in the whitest county in Alabama.

00:46:25.880 Exactly. And you see this.

00:46:27.180 I mean, this is like another example of why or how Republicans have internalized all these left wing premises.

00:46:33.260 There's all kinds of standards that can be applied to every single group of people except for white people.

00:46:38.480 White people are denied the same basic standards, the same basic rights in some sense that every other group of people has.

00:46:46.120 And so Republican voters, I mean, Matt Walsh, who's like surprisingly right wing these days for a Daily Wire commentary, he's been putting out a lot of really interesting stuff, was making the point.

00:46:56.120 He's like Republicans pander until the cows come home to Hispanics and blacks and et cetera.

00:47:01.760 They even like pander to gays now, depending on the Republican you're talking about.

00:47:05.900 But they'll never, you know, make an appeal to the people who make up 85 to 90 percent of their voter base, which is white.

00:47:12.760 Right. Because they hate the idea that like too many white people like that.

00:47:16.760 That is embarrassing to them because they've internalized these left wing premises.

00:47:20.840 So but but the the quintessential example, again, of this internalization of these left wing premises is the fact that it's specifically the black vote, the most loyal Democratic constituency in America, that Republicans are desperate to win.

00:47:36.100 Like if they wanted to diversify the party, it would make a lot more sense to go after Hispanics, at least a third of Hispanics vote Republican.

00:47:42.560 And like maybe more of them are swayable and they do make some outreach to Hispanics.

00:47:48.520 But they're obsessed with the black vote because the Democratic Party, like their entire political worldview and orientation is organized around what's good for black people.

00:47:59.180 Right. Like black people, it's ethnocentrism at its like most absurd and extreme.

00:48:04.400 And obviously, Democratic Party sort of apparatchiks and appendages like, you know, the media, et cetera, do the same thing, where really, when we talk about race, we're talking.

00:48:12.000 When we talk about minorities, we're really talking about black people.

00:48:15.360 And, you know, Hispanics are like a corollary to that.

00:48:18.540 And and therefore, every policy, education, crime, taxes, whatever, has to be viewed first and foremost through the lens of how it affects black people.

00:48:26.500 And Republicans, a lot of Republicans basically agree with that, even if they don't fully understand it in those terms, which is why they commit political self-immolation all the time and like lose elections and embrace these strategies to cause them to lose elections in order to try to prove that they're not racist.

00:48:46.140 And to try to embrace these left-wing premises, it's never going to work.

00:48:49.740 And it's extremely depressing that they're trying to do this for the millionth back.

00:48:52.800 Yeah. And the way, again, that they try to do it is the most comical thing at all.

00:48:57.480 Yeah. If you were going to target that community, there are plenty of things that you already talk about that are significant impact.

00:49:04.900 The fact that, you know, wide scale illegal immigration comes in does a lot of damage to wages inside the ban that a lot of African-American communities exist in.

00:49:17.100 The fact that the delusion of the American makeup into kind of this polity of many different minorities means that African-Americans lose their status as, you know, kind of the primary interlocutor with what was mainly a European nation as the minority that most needed to find some kind of reconciliation.

00:49:38.280 Instead, they just become one of many minorities, all of which are being victimized by white people.

00:49:43.620 You know, like it, it, it loses all of the actual political power while giving this kind of perfunctory layer of political preference over everything that they do.

00:49:54.840 But as long as, you know, they keep getting this, this kind of amount, this kind of lip service to it, they continue to go on.

00:50:01.360 But, but like you said in the article, the one that is most hilarious is the one in which, you know, Republicans think that if they can just attack Kamala Harris for being a cop, oh, she locked black men in jail.

00:50:15.600 She was tough on crime.

00:50:17.500 Well, don't worry.

00:50:18.100 We're the ones who's going to let all the, we're going to let all the criminals out of jail.

00:50:21.320 We're going to, we're going to go ahead and release the rapists and the murderers that we're, because we, you know, we're trying to win the black vote.

00:50:26.380 But like, that's the logic that's, that, that, that routinely comes up.

00:50:30.820 We've already seen this over and over again.

00:50:32.860 Trump, you know, use this language.

00:50:35.200 We're seeing it get recirculated again into the current campaign.

00:50:39.160 It's, it's, it should be insulting.

00:50:42.480 But, but, but more importantly, it's just wildly ineffective.

00:50:47.180 It's worse than wildly ineffective.

00:50:49.240 It's, it's self-destructive.

00:50:51.000 Like, I mean, I made this point in the article, crime and specifically being tough on crime, other than the economy, has been the GOP's strongest issue for decades, going back to Nixon, right?

00:51:05.560 Like the Democrats' biggest weakness, depending on how you measure it, you know, and depending on the election cycle, but, but as a general trend, is being soft on crime.

00:51:15.500 This is what, you know, Clinton was famous for triangulation because he basically cordoned off momentarily that vulnerability by like shifting his party to the right of crime.

00:51:23.680 Now, progressive hate him for that, but it was extremely, extraordinarily politically effective because that was the Democrats' biggest political weakness, was the fact that they were seen totally correctly as being pro-criminal, as, as being too soft on crime, as not being willing to enforce the laws.

00:51:38.240 And that was Republicans' most effective line of attack against them, was that they were these things.

00:51:44.060 So it's not just not effective, like you're not going to win many more black voters doing that kind of stuff, or you're not going to win any black voters who weren't already going to vote for you, at least.

00:51:52.600 It's, it's neutering, arguably, the single most effective political line of attack against Kamala.

00:51:59.620 And when you point this out, you get these people who are saying like, you know, there's a difference between being, you know, tough on crime and what Kamala did, which is keeping, you know, black men in prison past their sentence to use for slave labor, right?

00:52:11.640 Which is like, you know, echoing like six different left-wing tropes in one sentence.

00:52:16.720 Or they'll say, you know, we can make distinctions between what she did and what we want to do.

00:52:21.320 It's kind of tough on crime.

00:52:22.400 It's like, what you're talking about earlier, that's not how mass politics works, right?

00:52:26.360 Like, like, yeah, you can maybe, I still don't buy it, but you can maybe make this like fine-tuned intellectual argument where you're drawing these nuanced distinctions between your version of tough on crime and how she went too far.

00:52:39.160 That's not the message that like a normal voter receives.

00:52:42.380 It's either Kamala is too tough on crime or she's too soft on crime.

00:52:46.200 Either Republicans are going to be tougher on crime than Kamala or less tough on crime than Kamala.

00:52:50.400 You have to choose one.

00:52:51.340 You should go with the one that actually works, right?

00:52:54.820 That actually turns out your voters, that appeals to people, that makes her less appealing.

00:52:58.720 And at least some people on the right are like running the opposite direction, which is mind-boggling.

00:53:03.840 All right.

00:53:04.480 Well, we're going to head over to the questions of people.

00:53:07.100 Did you say, you said you have enough time to stick around?

00:53:09.280 Yeah, I'm good.

00:53:10.320 Okay.

00:53:10.740 All right.

00:53:11.300 So before we do go to the questions of people, Nate, can you let people know where to find your work?

00:53:16.260 Yeah, I post everything I write on my Twitter at NJHochman, N-J-H-O-C-H-M-A-N.

00:53:23.080 So go follow me there.

00:53:24.800 All right.

00:53:25.580 We've got Glow in the Dark here.

00:53:26.800 He says, will we get an answer?

00:53:28.460 What is a woman from the left?

00:53:30.680 No, not anytime soon.

00:53:34.020 It's whatever is politically convenient, to be very clear.

00:53:38.060 Let's see.

00:53:39.200 Glow in the Dark, man.

00:53:39.940 You got quite a few questions here.

00:53:41.040 It says, Plato says, a woman is a featherless biped.

00:53:46.180 Dionysus holds up the featherless chicken.

00:53:49.140 Behold, a woman.

00:53:50.460 We're basically having this argument in infinitum.

00:53:54.680 Yes.

00:53:57.100 Glow in the Dark.

00:53:58.440 We couldn't get Democrats are the real racists.

00:54:01.460 We should say we wish one day to be as racist as the Democrats.

00:54:05.920 Turn the statement on its head.

00:54:08.320 Disavow.

00:54:08.920 Probably disavow.

00:54:09.720 Trying to frame it as an aspirational, sir?

00:54:12.340 How could you?

00:54:13.040 How could you?

00:54:15.080 As a joke.

00:54:15.960 As a joke, he follows.

00:54:17.080 There we go.

00:54:17.640 All right.

00:54:17.980 Yes.

00:54:18.360 In Minecraft.

00:54:20.920 He says, fundamentally, we need to lead the conversation not to be led by the conversation.

00:54:28.180 You lose their argument that way.

00:54:29.440 Dems usually lay down arguments a decade in advance and then back it up with studies.

00:54:34.600 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:54:35.800 Nothing frames this more than, I haven't had time to rant about this yet, so I'm going to

00:54:40.720 take a moment now.

00:54:41.580 Excuse me, Nate.

00:54:42.920 So the J.D. Vance is weird debate is the stupidest thing I have ever seen conservative media fall for.

00:54:53.580 J.D. Vance is weird.

00:54:55.960 Seriously, guys, that's what you bet on?

00:54:58.620 That's what you bet on.

00:54:59.920 Donald Trump was shot in the face.

00:55:03.500 Shot in the face.

00:55:05.680 Leftists drove a crazy person to try to kill Donald Trump, and they're going to keep doing that.

00:55:11.920 They have been talking still about how he's Hitler, about how he's an existential threat

00:55:16.840 to democracy, how he's the end of the United States as we know it.

00:55:21.280 They've been doing this the entire time.

00:55:23.700 They have manufactured an entire media apparatus with no other job than basically to tell left-wing

00:55:30.120 radicals, hey, Donald Trump sure would be sad if something happened to him.

00:55:34.440 You know, get rid of this meddlesome priest.

00:55:35.880 Won't someone deal with this meddlesome priest, right?

00:55:37.800 Like, that has been the message for the media forever.

00:55:40.380 Remember, there's a failure by the Secret Service so phenomenal, so colossal, that it

00:55:46.260 is just unprecedented in history, where you have some guy randomly wandering around the

00:55:51.980 rooftop in view of everyone with people screaming, don't let him in there, he's got a gun, as

00:55:57.820 he, like, walked up with, like, a ladder and stuff to get in here in a full rifle kit.

00:56:01.420 He takes a shot at a president who's completely unguarded, basically, by a Secret Service detail

00:56:06.720 filled with, like, five, two women.

00:56:08.600 Like, this happens.

00:56:10.900 And then they go to Congress and they lie directly.

00:56:15.140 The Secret Service and the FBI perjure themselves repeatedly and provably in front of the whole

00:56:21.100 country.

00:56:21.540 And you let the left shift the narrative on J.D.

00:56:28.160 Vance's weird.

00:56:32.080 Like, seriously, how?

00:56:34.840 How?

00:56:35.460 How are people so bad at this?

00:56:37.240 How are people so terrible at what they do?

00:56:41.180 It's very simple.

00:56:42.360 The left had the worst couple weeks you could imagine.

00:56:46.540 The vice president had to be cooed into running for president because the current sitting president

00:56:53.360 was so obviously not the president.

00:56:55.380 So completely senile that you replaced it with Kamala Harris, the least charismatic human

00:57:01.080 being of all time after the failed assassination tip of a man who popped up and immediately

00:57:08.580 started chanting, fight, fight, with blood streaking from his face with an American flag

00:57:12.760 flying behind him.

00:57:14.380 And you gave all of that up, all of that momentum.

00:57:18.660 People were talking about how this was going to be like a Nixon-style blowout, right?

00:57:22.700 Like a complete Reagan-style domination.

00:57:25.980 And you gave all that up to talk and defend yourself against J.D.

00:57:29.500 Vance's weird?

00:57:33.360 Okay.

00:57:34.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.280 Sorry.

00:57:35.080 No, no, you're good.

00:57:35.720 Just really quickly, like, that is the perfect example.

00:57:38.720 I work in conservative media, but conservative media is basically the handmaiden of regime media.

00:57:43.040 All they do is respond to regime media.

00:57:46.680 Like, that's all they do.

00:57:47.780 So regime media wanted to be done talking about the Trump assassination.

00:57:51.720 So conservative media was done talking about the Trump assassination.

00:57:54.620 Regime media wanted to talk about how J.D. Vance is weird.

00:57:57.240 So conservative media is talking about how J.D. Vance is weird.

00:58:00.220 Like, there is no even interest in, like, creating an independent narrative of the ones

00:58:05.800 that regime media wanted to create.

00:58:08.020 And that's, you know, the J.D. Vance's weird stuff is, you know, like, the textbook perfect

00:58:13.380 example of that.

00:58:14.740 So.

00:58:15.400 Just blows my mind.

00:58:16.980 Just blows my mind.

00:58:17.840 I was teaching high school two years ago, guys.

00:58:19.980 You should be better at this than me.

00:58:21.640 You're professionals.

00:58:22.760 What are you doing?

00:58:24.040 Like, so bad.

00:58:25.700 It's so painfully bad.

00:58:28.620 It's so bad.

00:58:29.460 Okay.

00:58:30.180 Sorry.

00:58:31.520 Robert Weinsfeld says, is leftism just the deconstruction of unchosen bonds?

00:58:36.660 In a large, to a large percentage, yes.

00:58:38.720 I think Charles Haywood's description of the Enlightenment as kind of the dismantling of

00:58:45.040 all bonds not continuously chosen is a pretty good explanation.

00:58:49.140 Leftism is a wider deconstruction.

00:58:51.280 You know, you could talk about different periods historically in the American context.

00:58:56.980 It's most certainly a deconstruction of the Anglo-Protestant identity, the Christian

00:59:01.100 identity, the larger project of Christendom, you know, the idea of, of, you know, any kind

00:59:07.420 of scientific norms.

00:59:09.320 It's all of these things, right?

00:59:10.700 Like, all of this is wrapped up in there, but that's not a bad first step in explaining

00:59:14.940 it.

00:59:15.180 Uh, Sergeant Hodel, uh, says, uh, let's be honest.

00:59:20.340 A women boxing period is a clown world and gay.

00:59:22.820 Yeah.

00:59:23.160 I mean, it's, uh, it would not be what I would encourage any, uh, female to, you know, female

00:59:29.360 sports.

00:59:30.000 Absolutely.

00:59:30.700 But, you know, combat sports.

00:59:33.260 If I have a daughter, she's not going to be boxing, whether it's, she's boxing as women

00:59:37.420 or men, you know, it's not, not going to be done.

00:59:39.600 Maybe, maybe, you know, sending women out to go get their, your faces beaten and, you

00:59:44.220 know, their, their eyes fractured and nose fractured is not, not the way to do things.

00:59:48.600 Uh, let's see here.

00:59:50.520 Cooper Ware says, completely unrelated to the topic.

00:59:52.820 Have you guys seen long legs as a subtle and surprising anti-trans message?

00:59:57.220 It's also really good.

00:59:58.440 Uh, I guess that's a movie, but no, I have not seen it.

01:00:00.680 Sorry.

01:00:01.720 I'm, I've now reached the age where, uh, most of my movie consumption is Westerns, uh, that

01:00:06.740 were made, uh, many decades ago.

01:00:08.900 I'm officially that guy.

01:00:10.320 Uh, but you know, try to, try to catch new and everyone's well here.

01:00:13.760 Let's see.

01:00:15.220 Uh, Jose Velasquez says, uh, Hey guys, do you think Vance, uh, has become more of a liability

01:00:20.520 to the campaign?

01:00:21.580 Uh, like the guy, but the media smear campaign has been, uh, taken to 11.

01:00:25.600 Thanks.

01:00:25.960 Uh, yeah, that was probably before I started screaming.

01:00:28.240 Uh, but thank you.

01:00:29.160 I was saying, uh, look, Vance is not there to be this, uh, candidate for the left.

01:00:35.340 Like, of course the left hate him.

01:00:36.740 Of course they do.

01:00:37.480 Like this guy represents the part of the country that they hate, the people of the country that

01:00:42.300 they hate.

01:00:43.020 Um, and Vance is not chosen because he was not chosen to be this.

01:00:47.600 He's not, some vice presidents are picked to fill out some kind of weakness, some demographic

01:00:52.260 weakness.

01:00:52.760 Some, you know, Mike Pence was chosen to, to fill out, uh, Trump's weakness with evangelical

01:00:57.500 Christians, even though now evangelical Christians love Trump way more than they love Mike Pence.

01:01:02.240 They hate Mike Pence.

01:01:03.460 Uh, but you know, that, that, that is one thing that a vice president can do.

01:01:06.140 But then you also have like a Dick Cheney, uh, vice president who is more like a policy

01:01:10.320 guy or just an assassination insurance guy, right?

01:01:13.220 Like if you get rid of this guy, here's the guy standing behind him.

01:01:16.380 And from what I've heard, Trump made the decision post being shot, uh, that, that, that Vance

01:01:21.160 was not the, the choice.

01:01:22.660 Maybe, you know, I don't have all the information, but that is what I have heard.

01:01:25.060 And that I think makes sense to me.

01:01:26.900 Ultimately, I think Vance is the choice, uh, when you want to make sure that people know

01:01:30.420 that, uh, there's someone behind you who's young, hungry, and has the interests of the

01:01:35.120 movement.

01:01:35.560 So removing Donald Trump does not remove your problem.

01:01:38.620 Yeah.

01:01:39.060 Just really quickly.

01:01:39.720 I think obviously Vance of all the like plausible picks was ideologically the best, like it's

01:01:45.060 not even close.

01:01:45.760 Right.

01:01:46.060 So for that reason, people of our ideological persuasion should be overjoyed that he's

01:01:50.100 picked.

01:01:50.700 People are right that like the media would do this to whoever Trump picked his VP, obviously.

01:01:55.800 It's also true that like, and this is no hate on Vance that like he gives them more to work

01:02:00.360 with than a totally anodyne, inoffensive Republican.

01:02:04.300 Like, especially a few years ago when he was kind of emerging on the scene as like a new

01:02:08.240 right, you know, thought leader, whatever he was, he was out there.

01:02:12.260 Like he was a little edgy.

01:02:13.480 He was definitely like.

01:02:14.520 He's a poster.

01:02:14.760 Yeah, he's a poster.

01:02:16.160 He was a poster.

01:02:17.100 Like even as Senator, he was a little bit.

01:02:18.880 Right.

01:02:19.080 But like the childless cat ladies, I think that's the tip of the iceberg.

01:02:21.340 I don't like giving one any ideas about where to look, but like, but he like was saying

01:02:26.980 some stuff that was clearly signaling at a particular worldview that you're definitely

01:02:30.920 not totally allowed to hold.

01:02:34.360 And we love that.

01:02:36.080 But obviously it gives the media a lot of scandal that they can kind of continually generate

01:02:41.260 that you wouldn't get with like Doug Burgum or something.

01:02:44.540 Right.

01:02:44.760 So it is true.

01:02:45.480 They would do this to anyone.

01:02:46.780 They are able to do it maybe to a higher or greater extent with Vance.

01:02:53.320 But like descending into hysterics about it is totally useless.

01:02:57.540 So, yeah.

01:02:58.260 Yeah.

01:02:58.720 The media machine is going to cheer no matter what they need.

01:03:01.620 It also helps that they had a hard time attacking Trump for a little while because of everything

01:03:06.780 that happened.

01:03:07.400 And so Vance became the easy target.

01:03:09.460 Yeah.

01:03:09.800 But if it had been Marco Rubio, they would have been pulling up something about Rubio as

01:03:14.700 well.

01:03:15.400 Yeah.

01:03:15.580 Glow in the dark says, Dems trained the rep need to reset mentally.

01:03:22.420 Train which representative?

01:03:24.980 Oh, like the Republicans?

01:03:26.240 I guess, yeah, that could be the case.

01:03:27.760 Yeah.

01:03:28.020 Okay.

01:03:28.160 Baloo says, well done.

01:03:32.240 I like the tailspin reference.

01:03:33.620 That's my childhood there.

01:03:35.140 Kitchen nightmares, but it's Oren going around to various conservative media organizations.

01:03:40.000 Yeah.

01:03:40.340 Seriously.

01:03:41.360 This is terrible.

01:03:42.420 Just knocking it, knocking their, uh, their tumblers out of their hand, not knocking their

01:03:47.600 branded coffee mugs off the table.

01:03:50.080 Yeah, exactly.

01:03:51.400 Uh, let's see here.

01:03:53.220 Uh, creeper weirdo.

01:03:54.360 Normies.

01:03:54.940 He's not weird.

01:03:55.800 Oren.

01:03:56.500 Uh, they shot at him.

01:03:58.420 Yes.

01:03:58.820 Yeah.

01:03:59.520 Precisely the case.

01:04:00.420 That is, that is what I am trying to say.

01:04:03.280 All right, guys.

01:04:04.280 Well, we're, Oh, no, wait, we got one more creeper weirdo again.

01:04:07.640 Thank you very much, sir.

01:04:08.460 Appreciate it guys.

01:04:09.480 Uh, uh, we could.

01:04:10.820 You're on Jesus Christ with Fred Rogers as VP and they would still hate you.

01:04:14.460 Stop claiming otherwise.

01:04:15.440 That's, that's all there is to it.

01:04:17.260 That's better political wisdom than you'll get from 90% of pundits, unfortunately, but

01:04:22.620 that that's exactly right.

01:04:23.960 Jesus Christ with Fred Rogers.

01:04:25.640 Yeah.

01:04:26.380 Yeah.

01:04:26.780 I mean, they would probably find a deep things to hate there, but yeah, but, but yeah.

01:04:32.160 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up, but of course, make sure

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - August 02, 2024

How Woman-Beating Became an Olympic Sport ｜ Guest： Nate Hochman ｜ 8⧸2⧸24

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