The Auron MacIntyre Show - I'm Not Angry, I'm Disappointed ｜ 11⧸27⧸24

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00:00:30.000 Hey everybody, how's it going?

00:00:31.640 Thanks for joining me this afternoon.

00:00:33.440 I am Oren McIntyre.

00:00:36.020 And look, it's not that I'm angry.

00:00:40.040 It's that I'm disappointed in everyone.

00:00:43.320 There's been a lot of feuding recently.

00:00:46.320 Apparently Donald Trump won, and instead of celebrating,

00:00:50.280 everyone's decided that now is the time to lose their mind at each other on the right.

00:00:55.440 A lot of this is happening online on Twitter.

00:00:58.260 So, you know, sorry for bringing some of this into the real world.

00:01:03.200 If you're somebody who's not plugged in to Twitter, then some of this is going to be a little of me talking about what's going on there.

00:01:11.980 But I want to zoom out and not just focus on Twitter drama.

00:01:15.860 What I want us to understand are some principles about the way that we should conduct ourselves in public,

00:01:22.340 especially when it comes to correcting those inside our community when we feel it's our duty.

00:01:29.640 Who should we be appealing to?

00:01:32.500 What authorities should we rely on?

00:01:35.600 How should these things be approached so that they don't publicly humiliate us in front of everyone and make us look like a bunch of children that don't have our stuff together?

00:01:46.060 These are all questions that apparently we need to think deeply about because that is not what has been happening.

00:01:53.060 And it's pretty depressing to see people approach things the way that they've been approaching it.

00:01:59.180 So I'm going to be talking about, you know, Anon's warring on Twitter.

00:02:02.980 I'm going to be talking about the way that we should treat each other when we have friendly bets.

00:02:07.120 And finally, the way that some people in, let's say, the Christian nationalists or reformed Christian sphere have been treating each other when it comes to the Antioch Declaration, which is its own its own problem.

00:02:21.240 I'm not going to get into every aspect of any of those pieces of drama, but I do want to give us some general principles and approaches as to the way we should think about and address these things when we're dealing with people who are supposed to be our allies in public.

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00:03:43.280 All right, so let's start off from, I think, what should be the more obvious stuff and the easiest stuff to unpack, and then we'll move into things that might be slightly more complicated.

00:03:55.700 So at the beginning of this, I just want to take a brief moment to talk about my bet with my buddy academic agent, Cigar Slam, as we've affectionately called it.

00:04:04.700 Now, Cigar Slam from the beginning was supposed to be fun.

00:04:08.440 It's something that, you know, we're talking about, we're joking about.

00:04:12.560 It's mainly a reason for me and my friend to get online and do bits about it.

00:04:17.660 We're working the kayfabe.

00:04:19.180 It's a little bit of professional wrestling.

00:04:21.000 We have a disagreement, and we're interested in resolving it, but it is a friendly disagreement.

00:04:25.640 Now, don't get me wrong.

00:04:27.040 We have played into this with each other, and perhaps we've been too effective.

00:04:31.020 And so many people have taken this in a direction where they are getting openly hostile to each other about this bet.

00:04:39.020 I, you know, there are people attacking academic agent and myself using all kinds of unnecessary hostility and language.

00:04:46.680 Guys, it's a joke.

00:04:47.940 It's fun.

00:04:48.820 You know, there's a reason that I did an episode where I listed all the reasons I was right, and then academic agent ran in and, you know, did the appearance in the middle, and we did the pro wrestling match in the middle of the thing.

00:05:00.040 I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this since we have made it pretty evident that it's pro wrestling, but I guess I do because people are getting very serious about it to the point where academic agent and I are just ready to exchange cigars and call it a day because it's gotten a little ridiculous.

00:05:19.080 People, let us have nice things.

00:05:21.200 Let us have fun.

00:05:22.800 Let's not make everything a serious, you know, sparring match or like a serious battle.

00:05:29.020 We can just have a little fun sparring match, you know, exhibition.

00:05:33.800 You know, we don't have to go for blood at every moment.

00:05:37.060 I know.

00:05:37.520 I get it.

00:05:38.060 Like, I also have the desire to win and be correct and all these things.

00:05:43.720 And, yeah, that bleeds in.

00:05:44.860 Don't get me wrong.

00:05:45.700 Yeah, at times have been confused.

00:05:47.820 I mean, I still hold that academic agent is incorrect and that my theory is correct.

00:05:52.400 Don't get me wrong.

00:05:53.020 No one is conceding this territory.

00:05:55.880 However, keep it friendly.

00:05:59.320 Keep it fun, right?

00:06:00.860 Let's remember that that's what it's for.

00:06:03.880 So that's the first one to just get easy and out of the way.

00:06:07.020 Let's de-escalate that and let the fun pro wrestling thing be the fun pro wrestling thing. 0.57

00:06:12.140 And let's not get nasty or harsh or bitter about the whole instance.

00:06:17.260 The incentives drive us towards that, I suppose.

00:06:20.640 But let's not do that.

00:06:21.940 Let's actually let ourselves have some fun, guys.

00:06:24.340 The second thing that I have seen recently is people getting in full out, knock down drag outs over kind of the dumbest things on Twitter and then demanding that people reveal themselves, you know, their anonymity.

00:06:40.520 Throw it away.

00:06:41.400 Hey, if you really believed, you know, that if you were really representing that position, you would show me your face.

00:06:48.260 This is terrible behavior.

00:06:50.480 Okay.

00:06:50.800 First, that is never some kind of indication of someone's being correct, is their willingness to share their identity online.

00:07:00.500 Second, a large amount of what has happened, including things like, you know, the Haitian story when it came to Trump and Springfield and everything were broken by anons who still have not taken out, you know, brought their own identity to the forefront. 0.71

00:07:16.340 Anons are doing important work, and it's important to not try to push anyone out of that.

00:07:23.200 The minute I see someone encouraging someone to dox themselves, someone talking about doxing someone, that is the minute you lose my respect.

00:07:30.800 That is a complete non sequitur with me.

00:07:35.640 You will just be dropped from, you know, you are no longer a friend the minute I see you doing that to people.

00:07:42.600 That is not how we behave.

00:07:44.660 That is not the way that we should be behaving online, especially with people who might be adjacent to you.

00:07:50.260 I don't care.

00:07:50.860 Maybe this is somebody on the online, right, who has been completely battling you and opposed to you.

00:07:56.340 You do not threaten doxes.

00:07:58.340 You do not threaten removing anonymity.

00:08:01.100 You do not call on someone to remove their anonymity or any of that.

00:08:04.880 That is not okay.

00:08:06.380 That is never okay.

00:08:07.580 That is always terrible behavior.

00:08:09.440 I will always decry it.

00:08:10.580 I don't like it when Jordan Peterson does it.

00:08:12.500 I don't like it when, you know, random guys online bash anonymity.

00:08:18.040 And I certainly don't like it when other anons or people who should know better, who are in the sphere and understand why people are anonymous, go in there and demand that stuff.

00:08:27.740 That is gross.

00:08:29.720 It's unconscionable behavior.

00:08:32.240 I will not stand for it.

00:08:34.100 Uh, another one that has been hilarious.

00:08:37.200 And again, I don't want to get into, uh, everything about this stuff because I find the conflicts themselves boring.

00:08:44.340 I find the internet drama boring. 0.96

00:08:46.040 Uh, I'm just tired of seeing people behaving badly or stupidly. 0.95

00:08:49.960 Uh, currently the online, right. 0.99

00:08:51.820 Uh, because I guess they had nothing better to do after Trump's victory.

00:08:54.620 They don't want to build anything.

00:08:55.680 They don't want to create anything.

00:08:57.040 They don't want to move opinions forward.

00:08:58.380 They don't want to encourage, I don't know, Matt, you know, the deportations or any of this stuff, uh, dismantling of the guy.

00:09:04.140 The only thing they've had to do is argue about the meaning of memes. 0.98

00:09:08.120 Uh, that is dumb. 0.95

00:09:09.520 Never ever argue about the meaning of memes. 0.97

00:09:13.400 The whole point of memes is that they communicate something unspoken.

00:09:16.880 The whole joke about the left is they can't mean because they have to over explain everything.

00:09:21.740 They have to overanalyze everything.

00:09:23.640 They have to break it apart and destroy it.

00:09:27.060 Uh, if you are one of these people, uh, you are acting like a leftist.

00:09:30.700 Uh, do not do that.

00:09:32.200 Do not involve yourself in it.

00:09:33.800 Do not deconstruct this stuff.

00:09:35.360 Do not let this dominate your discourse. 0.99

00:09:37.440 This is foolish. 1.00

00:09:38.500 This is stupid. 1.00

00:09:39.200 This is a waste of time. 1.00

00:09:40.660 Uh, you know, let the memes be memes.

00:09:42.460 Let them work their magic on their own and then move on.

00:09:45.420 There's, there's no reason to obsess with this and make that like some topic of discourse

00:09:51.800 that people, you know, have huge beefs about.

00:09:54.380 Look, guys, I don't know.

00:09:56.280 If, if you wanted to be a drama YouTuber, pick Call of Duty or something.

00:09:59.560 Okay.

00:10:00.360 Please don't do this with, with, with, uh, important political issues. 0.99

00:10:04.260 This is, this is just very stupid. 0.99

00:10:06.220 All right. 1.00

00:10:07.140 That's all the easy stuff out of the way. 0.99

00:10:08.960 That's all the stupid stuff out of the way. 0.98

00:10:10.420 Let's get into the one that was far more complicated and far more annoying. 0.97

00:10:14.720 And, and has, has really, uh, disappointed me in saying, uh, the, the, seeing the way that

00:10:20.220 people have handled this.

00:10:21.300 Uh, now there's something called the Antioch, uh, declaration going around and like the Protestant 0.93

00:10:28.660 reform world, Christian nationalist guys, a lot are touched on this.

00:10:32.380 I'm not going to get into any of the drama behind this.

00:10:35.260 Uh, there are people who have made videos on this.

00:10:38.160 There are people who have discussed this, had long podcasts.

00:10:42.060 I don't, I don't want this to exist.

00:10:44.080 I don't know why I know about this, all of this stuff. 0.94

00:10:46.920 It's very dumb that it's being aired in public.

00:10:49.460 And so my, my purpose is not to come on here and rehash all this drama and give you my opinion 0.92

00:10:56.720 or who of who's right.

00:10:58.280 I have an opinion, but that is not my purpose here.

00:11:00.760 My purpose today is to have a discussion on how we correct people publicly, especially

00:11:07.760 when they are inside our movement.

00:11:10.600 There's a right way to do this and a wrong way to do this.

00:11:14.100 And the conservative movement has been failing on this repeatedly.

00:11:18.040 And so the reason I want to touch on this is not the current drama between whatever.

00:11:23.560 The reason I want to touch on this is, is this is a recurring problem over and over again

00:11:29.020 inside conservatism.

00:11:30.940 And especially when it comes to people who are conducting themselves now online, not understanding

00:11:36.940 the purpose of certain platforms, the dynamics of things going on, what tactics are destructive

00:11:45.080 to your community and will guarantee, uh, it being torn apart.

00:11:50.060 So, uh, that, that's the main thing I'm going to get in now.

00:11:54.080 Uh, so the first thing you need to understand is no conflicts are resolved on twitter.com.

00:12:04.540 I'm going to repeat that for people who may not understand what I just said, even though it

00:12:10.220 should be fairly simple.

00:12:11.120 No conflicts are resolved on twitter.

00:12:17.180 It that's not what twitter is for.

00:12:20.480 Twitter is the coliseum.

00:12:22.700 Twitter is for blood.

00:12:24.560 People come there to see someone bleed.

00:12:27.200 If you don't like that, that's fair.

00:12:30.020 But then you misunderstand twitter.

00:12:32.780 Twitter is not a place where you have involved thoughtful discussions.

00:12:36.620 And that doesn't mean that people don't have informed positions on twitter doesn't mean

00:12:41.200 they don't have thoughtful positions on twitter.

00:12:43.520 I post threads about things I'm thinking about and ideas that I have and points I want to

00:12:47.880 communicate all the time.

00:12:48.920 But the back and forth nature of twitter is not one in which you resolve disagreements.

00:12:57.120 That is simply not the dynamic that it, uh, that it encourages, uh, the, due to the way

00:13:04.640 that you see things on twitter, the algorithmic engagement, the, the piecemeal nature of conversation,

00:13:10.720 you are always getting a snapshot of what someone thinks.

00:13:14.560 And you are always getting a selective snapshot, usually not seeing everything they post.

00:13:19.180 You're not seeing it in context with everything else they're referencing.

00:13:22.520 And so Twitter is a terrible way to resolve a conflict. 1.00

00:13:29.120 Resolving conflicts in public is always stupid. 0.98

00:13:32.280 If you are familiar with conflict resolution at all, you know, that the first thing that happens 0.99

00:13:38.800 when you address behavior that you think is bad or an approach that you think is bad in public.

00:13:44.120 And this doesn't just have to be online.

00:13:45.680 This is in real life.

00:13:46.800 If you want to resolve a problem with a person, you have that discussion with them one-on-one

00:13:51.480 because the minute you have that discussion in public, you are subjecting that person to ridicule.

00:13:58.000 If you wanted to solve the problem, you would have talked, spoken with that person specifically.

00:14:02.560 You would have had that discussion with that person specifically, but the minute you bring

00:14:07.540 things into public, what you're looking for is the mob.

00:14:11.440 The reason to have discussions in public is you want the power of numbers.

00:14:17.020 You're not looking to reason through something.

00:14:19.380 You're not looking to resolve something.

00:14:21.500 You're looking to hurt someone in public and make it known that you can bring the power of

00:14:27.660 the mob to bear on someone.

00:14:30.240 So I have had differences with people I respect and care about.

00:14:35.640 And when that happens, I have those discussions in person or one-on-one in an internet discussion.

00:14:43.580 I do not have that discussion online in public for everyone to see.

00:14:48.640 There are even people I've had discussions with who I continue to clash with and continue to

00:14:54.660 disagree with, but I don't do it online because I know that person is doing good work ultimately.

00:15:00.520 And while me may have a personality clash, or we might have some issue, uh, over, you know,

00:15:06.960 some approach that we don't a hundred percent disagree, don't a hundred percent agree on.

00:15:11.420 I recognize that person is doing something important.

00:15:15.200 I might try to encourage them in a specific direction publicly, but I do not trash them.

00:15:21.720 I do not try to hurt them.

00:15:23.500 I do not try to show the, you know, that they are a bad person or any of these things in public

00:15:29.060 because I want them to change their course.

00:15:32.680 And I know that's not going to happen if I do it in public.

00:15:36.000 When you attack someone in public, you freeze them in their position because any concession of

00:15:42.300 being wrong is a defeat in public and a humiliation in public.

00:15:46.560 So if you want to make sure that someone does not change their mind, the best way to do it

00:15:53.000 is to address their behavior in public online.

00:15:57.840 Now, to be clear, there are people who I address online and it's usually because I am very sure

00:16:03.940 they are never coming on my side or that they are actively being malicious in some aspect of the

00:16:08.680 behavior that I'm not going to talk them through in private.

00:16:11.520 There are some people I've tried to talk things through in private and that has failed.

00:16:16.920 And then eventually our disagreement has become so severe that they do something online that

00:16:22.120 attacks me and I have to answer it publicly.

00:16:24.220 But to the extent to which I can resolve something interpersonally, that is what I try to do.

00:16:33.340 So that said, if you have a movement and you would like that movement to take over.

00:16:41.520 A certain aspect of culture.

00:16:43.020 If you would like to win a significant victory in the face of a system that opposes you and

00:16:50.220 these people are on your side, then the worst thing you can do is take the disagreements you

00:16:55.600 have inside your movement and air them outside the movement publicly for everyone to see.

00:17:03.040 Now, the problem we have in many of our modern interactions is we forget when we're talking to

00:17:12.580 the masses and when we are talking to people inside our movement, because much of, and I'm

00:17:19.720 very familiar with this because for a long time, I wasn't on a major conservative network and I didn't

00:17:24.880 have, you know, any significant reach outside of the sphere of people I was talking to, we would often

00:17:31.520 talk about what we were going to do or aspects of the movement and things we need to think about

00:17:35.040 in public because really the only people watching were the people inside of it.

00:17:40.880 However, the way this works is if you do things on public platforms, the people who will notice it

00:17:47.760 won't just be the people that you want to talk to. Everyone has access to it. If you're making a

00:17:53.520 podcast, if you are doing a YouTube video, if you are tweeting at people, everyone can see it.

00:18:00.480 You may assume that only the people inside familiar with all of the different aspects and all of the

00:18:06.320 different, uh, you know, context will be the only ones to see it, but that is not what happens.

00:18:11.360 And the minute it escapes the bubble of people who have the context and they start pulling at it,

00:18:16.800 it gets out of hand very quickly. So you want to be very aware when you make these kinds of

00:18:22.960 discussions, how you are having them and the way in which this will be pulled into the public.

00:18:28.960 Because if you don't get this, you can easily ruin your movement very early on. So

00:18:39.120 that said, like I, like I said, there's this Antioch declaration. Again, I'm not going to get into

00:18:43.440 the people involved, the background, all of that stuff. Videos have been made. I am not interested

00:18:48.400 in the drama. What I'm interested in is the way we approach our disagreements in public.

00:18:56.720 So there have been, uh, this is the only background you really need. Uh, there's a certain level of

00:19:03.680 disagreement inside that community when it comes to how far away from kind of consensus, progressive

00:19:12.080 liberalism we should move. There are some people who are like, well, we just need to get rid of

00:19:16.800 some of the leftist stuff, but we should keep the majority of kind of the 1960s understanding of

00:19:24.720 America. Uh, that that's really 1950s and sixties understanding of America. That's really all we

00:19:30.560 should look at. And then there are others who say, no, we need to go back further and ask questions about

00:19:36.880 kind of what is a nation, what are a people, how we should move forward together with this.

00:19:42.400 And that, that, that division has been there for a while. Now there are bad actors on both sides of

00:19:49.920 this. Uh, but the point is that that constant back and forth has created a level of tension with people

00:19:57.760 who should be working towards ostensibly the same goal, which is a return to Christianity in the public

00:20:05.120 sphere and a revitalization of Christian life from the church and individual level all the way up.

00:20:12.640 That should be kind of the shared understanding of what is moving forward, or at least that was kind

00:20:17.200 of what bound those people together to what degree they were bound. However, those, the differentiation

00:20:23.920 between those groups inside of this has led to a constant back and forth, uh, you know, uh, bad blood

00:20:32.160 being kind of little digs moved into every one of their videos and every one of their discussions.

00:20:38.960 And this is kind of exacerbated to the point where things got much, much worse. Again, I don't want to

00:20:44.880 get into the drama that is not ultimately what I'm interested in, but in an attempt to kind of cut this

00:20:51.840 short, uh, there was a declaration put out by one side, the, the kind of, uh, pro 1950s or whatever,

00:21:00.240 like American identity side. And their, uh, their declaration was meant very specifically to create

00:21:08.800 a friend enemy distinction. Now I'm not super familiar with this space. Uh, I'm actually relatively

00:21:14.480 new to this. There's a reason I've never called myself a Christian nationalist. I have problem with

00:21:18.480 the branding and, and other, uh, other aspects of it, though. I am overall sympathetic with many of

00:21:24.160 the goals of the movement. Uh, however, uh, this, the, maybe this behavior is more common among them.

00:21:31.600 I get the sense that declarations are not something new to them. However, uh, a declaration like this,

00:21:38.800 where you're asking people to sign on, uh, is, is a, a, and, and it is very clearly a denouncement and attempt to

00:21:47.440 lump together people who actually do have bad views with people who just have differing views from those

00:21:54.560 in charge. Uh, this is, this is a move that is not great. Uh, it is a call to basically divide your

00:22:02.320 movement publicly out in the open. Uh, and this gets particularly suspicious post to Trump election,

00:22:09.840 uh, because it feels like, uh, there's a very specific move here tactically to get closer to

00:22:18.160 something that will be mainstream acceptable and can maybe work itself into, uh, the, the

00:22:24.320 administration or its goals or get closer to establishment power. Uh, and, and therefore

00:22:29.920 jettison all the things that, you know, are not, uh, not desirable. It, it is a purity test of the

00:22:36.880 highest order. It is most certainly an attempt. I mean, that there's literally an attempt to draw

00:22:42.240 the friend enemy distinction. We are going to circumscribe, you know, what, what is insider

00:22:47.280 movement and, and, uh, what must be expelled. That's very clearly kind of the effort being put here.

00:22:54.080 And the thing about the declaration, however you feel about the content of it, uh, is the manner in

00:22:59.920 which it, it is, it, it seems to appeal to mainstream leftist orthodoxies, uh, particularly around

00:23:08.960 identity and nationhood. Again, you can reject people who you think are wrong. Uh, especially when

00:23:19.520 it comes to a more extreme versions of nationalism, you can, you can say that I don't agree with these

00:23:24.960 aspects. I, they have problems, but the thing that you want to do, if you think someone is incorrect

00:23:31.040 about those things is to counsel them internally is to have a dialogue with that person about what

00:23:39.440 they were wrong about. I've had these discussions, uh, behind closed doors. I have, uh, communicated

00:23:45.440 with people who I think are out of line on certain issues who show, uh, a certain level of animosity that

00:23:51.840 I find not productive, these kinds of things. And you'll be amazed how much can get, you can get done

00:23:59.440 persuading people when you have a conversation one-on-win with their best interests at heart.

00:24:05.120 I have also, by the way, had these conversations with people on the other side, people who are too

00:24:09.440 bought in to the boomerisms, who are bought, who are too bought in to the post-war consensus, who are

00:24:15.040 too bought in to the liberal narrative. And again, you'll be amazed how far you can move them and

00:24:21.680 how much you can correct when you will just have an actual discussion with these people

00:24:29.200 in private, as if you care about them, as if they are human being that matters,

00:24:34.240 as if they are not some widget online for you to dominate, but a real person inside your movement.

00:24:42.720 My, my main concern, and this is, this is what this discussion is really about. Again,

00:24:46.720 I don't care about the drama. This, that's not what I'm trying to focus on here.

00:24:50.480 The main discussion I want to have to you is what, what that I want to have with you is what

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00:25:29.840 If you look through time, history, everything, the thing that successfully separates a movement and

00:25:40.000 allows it to win over a culturally dominant force is its rejection of their authority and the

00:25:47.360 creation of its own. Okay. You can look at this in, uh, many different ways. Uh, some brief examples,

00:25:54.480 uh, so that you just have some context for what I'm saying here. For instance, um,

00:26:00.240 Fustel Kalange in the ancient city talks about how the Roman families, the patricians,

00:26:06.160 protected their power and their culture from being subsumed by the larger first city state and then

00:26:13.120 empire by allowing themselves to be the only ones that can judge people inside their family or inside,

00:26:21.600 uh, their, uh, their, their, their network, their patriotism network. So if there's a problem

00:26:28.480 inside the community, the first thing you do is not go straight to the magistrate that oversees it. You

00:26:34.320 don't just go straight to the civil authority. You have the authority of the patriarch of the family and

00:26:40.960 then the Patriot, you know, like each one of the, there are layers of community between you and the

00:26:47.520 authority of the state. And the, one of the things that controls the authority of the state

00:26:52.480 is the fact that you can appeal to these other authorities. You don't run to the public to, uh,

00:27:00.880 to resolve your problems. You resolve the problems inside the community. And by doing that, you make

00:27:06.480 sure it is your standards and your rules and your morality and your religion and your traditions

00:27:13.600 that actually are the things that are being appealed to. So not only does it keep your people from

00:27:19.600 feeling betrayed because you went outside of their trust to go to some outside authority and appeal to

00:27:25.520 that, but it also ensures that your movement stays its own because you're not appealing to an outside

00:27:30.800 authority and its rules and its way of doing things and its standard and bringing its pressure in

00:27:36.800 to cancel the people inside your movement. Look, the best case scenario is there is no internecine

00:27:43.440 warfare. The best case scenario is that people don't have these conflicts, but let's be realistic.

00:27:48.320 These conflicts will always exist. So because we know human nature means that this level of conflict

00:27:53.840 always exists. We want conflict resolution mechanisms that work inside out. This is by the way,

00:28:00.880 why the Bible, I'm not like just coming, I'm not just pulling this principle out of nowhere.

00:28:06.160 This is why the Bible encourages discipline to be inside the church. First, it's between one person.

00:28:12.320 Then it's between, you know, a couple elders. Then if you must bring it to the church, you bring it to

00:28:17.360 the church. You don't go straight to the Romans and say, Hey, Romans, I need you to fix this problem

00:28:22.080 inside our church. That's an appeal to authority outside. And if you do that on a regular basis,

00:28:28.800 you will be ceding your authority and your understanding of your standards and everything

00:28:33.120 else, not to the church, not to the people. You will be ceding it to the outside authorities.

00:28:39.200 This is why this is a biblical principle, but it's also something we can observe as a power principle.

00:28:46.080 The Bible is acknowledging a truth of human nature and telling us how best to navigate it. Right?

00:28:53.600 So we don't go and appeal to the outside. We don't appeal to the mob. We don't appeal to the state.

00:28:59.920 We resolve our conflicts internally. And if you do this properly, you will actually, if you,

00:29:07.440 if you continually do this and you gain enough authority, you can actually create parallel structures.

00:29:12.640 And these parallel structures can rival the castles of the people who are ruling over you. So for

00:29:18.400 instance, uh, I had my buddy, uh, uh, Kevin Dolan on, and he talked about how, uh, in Afghanistan,

00:29:24.720 the Taliban built up this system of bookkeeping and, and it was more reliable than what the state

00:29:30.560 was doing. And people kept appealing to the Taliban to resolve their problems. And so that's how they 0.67

00:29:34.880 gained power before they actually became, you know, the kind of the ruling power in F inside Afghanistan.

00:29:40.800 If you've ever paid attention to a mob, right, this is, this is how the mob takes over a neighborhood.

00:29:45.600 You know, you, they, the, the police cannot provide safety. They no longer have

00:29:50.080 the monopoly on authority. They can't actually provide security. And so you pay security money

00:29:55.520 to the mob, even though that's not ideal, it's better than getting your stuff broken into all the

00:29:59.760 time, not just by the mob itself, but by others, uh, that that's how any faction of alternative

00:30:06.000 authority takes over in an area. And so if you see something like, I don't know, the United States

00:30:12.160 government losing credibility and say, I don't know, some courts that are showing their willingness

00:30:18.240 to separate kids from their parents. Cause the parents won't like cut their junk off. 0.98

00:30:23.040 Like if you see a system losing its credibility, the worst thing you can do is appeal to that system. 0.96

00:30:29.920 The best thing you can do is keep your disputes internal. If you want to look at any movement,

00:30:35.680 you want to look at, I don't know, like Jewish movements in the United States,

00:30:39.040 like Orthodox Jews, they tend to resolve their problems inside their community. First,

00:30:44.560 same thing with a Muslim communities inside the United States. They resolve their issues inside

00:30:50.960 first. A lot of people got very angry about this, understandably with Sharia law and things,

00:30:54.880 because that meant that people were going outside the American system. It was losing its, uh,

00:31:00.080 its monopoly on, on the kind of the, the spheres. And instead they resolving it with alternative courts,

00:31:05.920 uh, that were specific to their communities. Now, the reason we don't like that is that destroys

00:31:10.400 national authority. And I don't want, you know, people doing that just because they happen to be

00:31:14.880 part of other religions, whether it be, uh, you know, Jewish or Muslim or whatever. But the point

00:31:20.160 is the mechanics are the same, whether, whether you're in on board with the goal or not, you know,

00:31:26.000 if, if you're a Christian looking to undermine the secular authority of certain institutions,

00:31:31.840 the best thing to do is not use them, not appeal to them. You don't like the American public school

00:31:37.840 system. Well, it'd be great if you can change it, but if you can simply undermine it by making sure

00:31:42.400 that your kids are not subject to it, that's the best short-term solution. Same thing is true

00:31:47.680 when it comes to pretty much anything else. If a community can have its own standards that it appeals

00:31:53.120 to rather than appealing to outside authority, then that community is doing better. Right?

00:31:58.320 So when I see something like this declaration, what I see is a very obvious attempt by people

00:32:06.240 who are having an internal personal spat to make that internal personal spat external to take things

00:32:16.320 that should have been resolved internally between people and instead bring it into public spheres where

00:32:23.280 it will invite scrutiny. And more importantly, where the people who externalize the conflict are hoping

00:32:30.320 they can wield the power of cancellation. They can wield the power of the secular consensus.

00:32:38.720 That's what I see. Now they'll cloak that language in biblical language. They'll say,

00:32:42.720 Oh, really? We're only appealing to these biblical principles. But if that was true,

00:32:47.760 you would have kept it internal. You're appealing externally for a reason. And that's because it allows you to

00:32:52.720 bring the weight of the mob. And we see this all the time. This is not just this one stupid internet

00:32:58.080 drama instance. We see this all the time with conservatives. If a conservative wants to cancel 1.00

00:33:04.880 somebody, what do they do? They attack them from the left. They don't attack them from the right. No one

00:33:11.520 says, Oh, well, you're not right wing enough and you should be pushed out of the conservative movement.

00:33:15.760 That almost never happens. What happens is they go to the left of that person and they say, Oh,

00:33:20.720 well, I have, uh, you know, evidence that you said this thing about the wrong group,

00:33:25.200 or you phrase something this way, or at some point you were associated with the wrong people.

00:33:29.200 And those people are too far to the right. And so I am going to use the power of the left. I'm going

00:33:34.000 to appeal to the left's standards to cancel you, this person to my right. And that is how I resolve

00:33:40.640 conflicts inside my conservative movement. And one of the reasons that the conservative amendment have been

00:33:46.400 so weak and so ineffective is that for years it has undermined itself by appealing to the authority

00:33:53.120 of the left whenever it has a disagreement. So if somebody on the right thinks that another person is

00:33:59.600 too far to the right, they immediately run to the power of the left and use that as the way to get rid

00:34:05.600 of their competition. And that is how, you know, your movement is weak. That is how, you know, your movement

00:34:11.840 is subservient. That is now, that is how, you know, your movement is full of losers because you do not 0.99

00:34:18.960 have your own standards and you cannot appeal to your own authority and you cannot resolve your conflicts

00:34:24.960 internally. Instead, you are looking for outside confirmation of your position from a authority that

00:34:34.320 is opposed to your goal. That is loser behavior. That is absolute 100% loser behavior. And this is 0.98

00:34:43.440 why conservatives have been losers for a very long time because they have appealed to exactly this 0.78

00:34:50.960 dynamic inside American politics. Ultimately conservatives knew the left was in charge and

00:34:56.400 they had the institutional power and they had the control of the narratives. And so while you might

00:35:01.280 faint about the, I'm fighting against the left, blah, blah, blah. If you really need to get rid of a

00:35:06.640 rival, if you really need to secure power, if you really need to end the discussion, because you don't

00:35:12.400 want to have it, the way to do that is to go to the left and say, oh, by the way, this guy over there,

00:35:20.560 he's got some bad associations. He might've made a tweet. I don't like, I bet you can probably find some

00:35:26.000 dirt on him. Why don't you blow up my opponent? And all of a sudden, now that your opponent has been 0.99

00:35:30.880 taken out by the mainstream media or censored on social media, or has somehow been excised from the

00:35:37.600 movement, you're reigning champion. You're the undisputed champion, but the problem is you're the

00:35:43.680 champion because the left has basically selected you. You were the safest option. You bent the knee.

00:35:49.600 You appealed to powers outside the movement. You appealed to standards created by the left. And now you are

00:35:56.160 owned by them. You're their creature. You're their gatekeeper. That's your job. Congratulations.

00:36:04.240 That's who you are. You're, you're the king of the hill after you burned down everything worth ruling

00:36:10.000 over. Good for you. I've seen this behavior over and over again, many times, and I am seeing it now.

00:36:18.400 And I am very disappointed. I am extremely disappointed. You're trying to set up a system

00:36:24.960 opposed to secularism. You're trying to set up a system opposed to progressivism. You're trying to

00:36:31.680 set up a system opposed to even the assumptions that many conservatives have placed on the role

00:36:36.240 of government, the role of religion and government. And yet when it comes time to solve a disagreement,

00:36:41.760 the plan is to go outside and find someone else to do your dirty work, someone else to be the hatchet

00:36:49.200 man, some other standard to be applied. Now, again, I want to be clear. This is not me saying

00:36:56.640 correction should not happen. I've had Charles Haywood on the show. He's explained the no enemies

00:37:02.960 to the right, uh, approach and why it's a political strategy and all of these things.

00:37:07.760 My point is not to rehash that because we've already had those discussions. But my point is to say

00:37:14.640 that if you're really interesting and interested in solving the problem, if you really think there is

00:37:19.840 an issue, then you should address it. I'm not telling you, you shouldn't have standards. I'm not telling you

00:37:26.160 that you can't be critical. I am not telling you that you should not be pushing against bad doctrine,

00:37:32.080 bad behavior, all of these things. I am not saying any of that. However, what I am saying

00:37:39.440 is that if you actually care about resolving those issues, instead of signaling how good a person you

00:37:45.360 are, how you're one of the good ones, how you're one of the safe ones, if you're actually interested

00:37:50.320 in resolving that issue, instead of showing how you're morally superior, because you can appeal to the

00:37:56.080 public leftist understanding of order, then you resolve those issues in house and you appeal to

00:38:03.440 the principles of your own movement. And you don't need to do that publicly because you have the

00:38:09.120 confidence that privately your movement holds to these things. And by the way, if you find out that's

00:38:16.400 wrong, then the best way to solve that is not to attack everybody and make a blood enemy about

00:38:22.960 everyone who came down on the wrong side of that issue. Look at the left, look at the left,

00:38:27.760 do they disagree vehemently? Okay. But they still find a way to work together to attack you.

00:38:36.880 They don't spend all of their time having complete shootouts. Now, don't get me wrong. They disagree.

00:38:43.440 And you know, I'm not saying there's unity on the left. There's not, there's many different factions,

00:38:48.800 but they know that first their enemy is the right. And to the extent which they can

00:38:53.360 work together, they figure that out. And then if someone on the left is doing something they don't

00:38:57.520 like, well, they kind of keep their mouth shut because they know ultimately these people are

00:39:02.640 pushing in the same direction as them. And they, they were better off not destroying their movement.

00:39:08.320 It would be better to simply correct that person to the degree that they can

00:39:12.560 and then move on. Right. Because they have bigger enemies. They have an order of enemies that they

00:39:16.880 understand. They understand that purity inside the movement is not the number one thing though.

00:39:22.400 They are trying that experiment. And how is that working out for everyone?

00:39:26.640 They know to make, they know to make disciplinary actions when they can, but they mostly make them

00:39:32.400 internally. We are not doing that. You never see the left appealing to the right's understanding of

00:39:38.560 something. That never happens. You never see someone saying, oh, we're going to cancel this person

00:39:44.960 because they're too Marxist. Sorry. They're just, they're too much of a radical communist that never

00:39:50.480 happens. They never say, oh, well, the right is ultimately correct about this issue. And we're

00:39:56.080 going to use their standards to police our thought inside the left. That just never occurs. It does not

00:40:02.800 exist. Okay. And yet on the right, people do it all the time. It's continuous. And so, like I said,

00:40:10.320 I'm not interested in breaking into each bit of, you know, whatever drama, I don't want to recount

00:40:16.400 this. I don't even honestly want you to look into it because it shouldn't exist. It's stupid. It's

00:40:21.120 incredibly stupid. And all of the problems are imminently resolvable. And none of the people 1.00

00:40:25.760 involved seem to, I shouldn't say none of the people involved. Some people have made overtures,

00:40:30.160 but in general, there seems to be a spirit of, we are not here to resolve this, this conflict.

00:40:34.880 We are here to cancel our enemies and we will use the power of the left to do it. And that is just

00:40:42.800 weak. Okay. Christian nationalism was this huge boogeyman for the left. They scared the bejesus 0.98

00:40:49.040 out of people. Trust me. I talked to plenty of people who are leftists who are just terrified of

00:40:54.160 this. They really believe that like some handmaid's tale was being ushered in whatever. And within,

00:40:59.920 and the left got all this juice and all this campaign, you know, fervor over them, it still

00:41:04.720 didn't win them the campaign. Thank goodness. However, they got all of that. And guess what?

00:41:10.480 The Christian nationalists couldn't make it like six months without tearing into each other and

00:41:13.920 destroying their own movement. You can't tell me you're going to rule anything if you cannot rule

00:41:20.960 yourself. It's that simple. If, if, if you are so easily hurt, if your feelings are so easily injured,

00:41:30.880 if your pride is so obviously served in public that you cannot let someone disagree with you

00:41:40.240 or that you cannot figure these things out internally, if you do not have the level of

00:41:44.400 leadership and humility to come to the table and resolve these issues, then you do not deserve to

00:41:51.200 rule. You don't, you can't rule yourself. You're not going to rule anything else. You are unworthy.

00:41:58.400 And when you make appeals outside of your movement to seek the, the, the billy club of your opponents 0.99

00:42:07.600 to cancel someone, all you are showing is that you are a slave.

00:42:11.760 All you are showing is that you are subservient to the movement you are appealing to into the

00:42:16.320 standards you are appealing to and to the mob you are appealing to that you do not have the discipline

00:42:21.920 and you do not have the courage and you do not have the leadership ability to take the problems

00:42:27.760 inside your community seriously and resolve them in an equitable manner that will save people's face

00:42:34.640 when possible and will ultimately advance your cause. And so, like I said,

00:42:41.120 I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. A lot of people who thought they were ready for prime time

00:42:46.720 showed themselves to not be ready for prime time because they don't have basic political discipline.

00:42:52.080 And look, I'm not perfect. I make mistakes. I have fallen on the wrong side of this before.

00:42:57.360 So I'm, this is not me talking about like how I am. I am so much better. My point is that if you

00:43:05.760 are un, if you are unable to lead the small group of people inside your own movement and you are unable

00:43:13.680 to erect a, uh, an ability to correct and discipline, uh, while still maintaining the values and identity

00:43:24.000 of that movement internally, then you're never going anywhere. You're just never going anywhere.

00:43:30.640 And if you're tired of the state being the ones who make these decisions, if you're tired of the

00:43:36.560 mainstream media being the ones that make these decisions for the, for, uh, for you,

00:43:41.360 then try not appealing to them. Try not throwing your brothers onto their sword. Try that.

00:43:48.560 Because if you don't do that, if you don't have that level of discipline,

00:43:53.280 then you kind of get what you deserve. You, you, you deserve to be ruled and you will continue to

00:43:57.040 be ruled in this manner until you get it right. I get, and that's ultimately just, that's what the

00:44:02.560 message I wanted to get across is the drama is tempting. The, the infighting is tempting.

00:44:08.240 Uh, we've all fallen to it before, but, um, you've got, we got to do better.

00:44:13.200 Um, you got to do better. Um, because otherwise, um, you know, the left is going to win it and they

00:44:19.920 should. All right. Let's move over to the questions of the people here.

00:44:25.680 Uh, Jamie starfish says, or, and I think you and Josh does had a great back and forth about your,

00:44:35.760 it's not race science meme last year or not rocket science meme last year.

00:44:39.760 Was that an exception to the rule? Uh, you know, uh, fair point actually, uh, that is so actually,

00:44:47.280 so let me put it this way. I think the reason that Josh and I, uh, eventually came together and are now

00:44:54.640 very friendly over his disagreement online is that Josh was wise enough to say, I was right about

00:45:01.280 many things while dis while ultimately disagreeing on certain points. And when I responded to Josh,

00:45:06.960 I did the same thing. I took the same approach. I said, Josh has an excellent thread that points

00:45:11.920 out a lot of good stuff, but I do disagree with him on these things. And by the way, uh, Josh eventually

00:45:16.800 said, I think you were ultimately right about these things, but that is not like me, you know,

00:45:22.000 waving some banner of victory. Josh was wise enough and had enough, um, discipline and composure

00:45:32.800 to place his arguments inside a frame that first affirmed the points I was making, which makes me

00:45:41.040 far more likely to listen to what he has to say. And by the way, this is also a great strategy.

00:45:47.520 If you're trying to figure things out inside, I don't know, say Christian nationalism,

00:45:51.440 take a moment and affirm the things that you're, you're the person you're talking to is right about.

00:45:56.640 And by the way, ultimately, if I had known Josh before that, uh, exchange, uh, I certainly would

00:46:02.800 have gone to him personally. And I believe the same thing to be true about Josh because he's a good guy.

00:46:08.400 Like the only reason we had that discussion publicly is we literally were not following each other.

00:46:13.600 We had no way to have that discourse other than publicly. And because of the way he approached

00:46:18.960 that and the way, hopefully I reflected, uh, and approach that, uh, we were able to then find where

00:46:26.880 we had common ground, agree on a lot of really important things, and now have a, a friendly

00:46:32.960 relationship on a regular basis. That is the way that these things should get done. If they get done in

00:46:38.320 public at all, definitely not a bunch of sniping, definitely not a lot of nastiness.

00:46:45.280 It's not that hard. If you actually are interested in winning people over rather than just, you know,

00:46:51.360 trying, trying to create this friend enemy distinction for them. Uh, let's see.

00:46:56.080 Uh, German, uh, says, uh, you've referenced our Reno on your show. I work with him and would love to

00:47:05.920 have him appear on the show in any email I can contact to coordinate. Uh, yes, absolutely. Uh,

00:47:13.280 I've talked to, uh, Mr. Reno briefly in person. Uh, but I enjoyed his book and would love to have an

00:47:19.920 extended conversation with him. Um, best thing to do is at me on Twitter, uh, and I will shoot you a

00:47:26.400 better contact. Uh, so just, just put my name in an at with the Reno thing on Twitter. I'll catch it

00:47:32.320 in the notifications and then, uh, we'll, we'll get something set up. Cause I w I would love to have

00:47:37.040 a longer conversation with this. Uh, let's see. Uh, Truttle said would, uh, would that we lived in a

00:47:44.880 world where Joe Barry and Webin were allied. This is all tiresome and unnecessary. The declaration

00:47:50.240 guys should know better. Yeah. Again, I don't want to get into with things with Joel. Cause

00:47:54.960 that's another whole nother thing. Again, that's something I tried to resolve in private. And then,

00:47:59.360 you know, lies were told about me in public and I had no other option, but to address, uh,

00:48:04.320 blatant lies in public. If someone's going to lie about you in public on a repeated basis,

00:48:08.400 maliciously, there's just nothing you can do. Uh, but yes, I, I wish for in a world in which that was

00:48:14.080 not the behavior that was involved and instead reconciliation and figuring those things out

00:48:18.640 were the motivations. Uh, but, uh, unfortunately you cannot, you can alter people's motivations.

00:48:24.240 You, you should do your best inside. Uh, but if those efforts fail, uh, then, you know,

00:48:29.440 there's, there's a reason I just blocked Joel to move on. There's no, there's no

00:48:34.080 positive conversation that can come from someone who's going to misrepresent you that way. Um,

00:48:38.080 and unfortunately, uh, his interactions there, uh, spill over, I imagine to his interactions with

00:48:43.360 others as well. I'm, I doubt I'm the only person who he has told falsehoods about or been malicious

00:48:47.920 uh, towards, uh, let's see. Uh, Michael Robertson says, uh, how do you balance being respectful and

00:48:54.160 about disagreement with the upcoming battle with neocons and recently right-wing, uh, disaffected

00:48:58.560 leftists? Where's the line? Can we still bully James Lindsay? Uh, yeah. So I want to be clear.

00:49:03.680 This is not a declaration of like, you can just never, uh, criticize anybody or there's no

00:49:11.520 no lines of disagreement. Uh, and, and the, the, the truth is ultimately this comes down to, uh,

00:49:18.160 being, uh, you know, having prudence, uh, you, you need to be thoughtful, uh, and kind of, uh, judge

00:49:26.480 every, uh, interaction as much as possible. Uh, I do not consider neoconservatives, uh, to be on my side.

00:49:35.120 Um, they, they are technically, I guess somewhere right-wing, but most of them have moved left for a reason.

00:49:41.520 You know, most of the bulwark crew and, you know, uh, those guys are, are, you know,

00:49:46.560 doing election night, uh, stuff about how they're sad that Kamala Harris is losing because they

00:49:51.360 weren't right-wing. And as soon as the actual right-wing asserted itself, uh, they kind of

00:49:56.640 showed their true colors. The fact that James Lindsay regularly says the right is the real problem,

00:50:00.960 uh, and Christians are the real problem should probably clue you in. Like, it's kind of amazing 1.00

00:50:05.680 to me that he still shows up on conservative stuff and talks to pastors and stuff when he has made 0.93

00:50:10.720 it very clear that he thinks the right is the real problem and Christians are a problem. Like, 0.77

00:50:15.280 I don't know how he could have been more clear, but he continues to show up. So you're, you're,

00:50:19.280 it's correct to say, Hey, uh, there are some people who are often grouped by, uh, progressives into the

00:50:25.760 right because they disagree on certain issues, uh, with the radical left. Uh, you know, so can we not

00:50:32.160 point out criticisms with them? I still think it is more useful to build bridges there when you can.

00:50:38.080 So there, I just did a podcast today with two guys who are relatively left-wing, uh,

00:50:42.640 but they recognize the problems with the left wing and they're willing to have dialogues with

00:50:46.640 people who are not on the left, uh, to the extent that you could have those and be productive.

00:50:51.280 You should. Uh, but when you recognize, and this is really my line, this is the thing that will usually,

00:50:56.720 uh, kick it off right away. The minute I see somebody trying to exclude people to their right and say,

00:51:02.160 Hey, I'm like this 1990s Democrat. And that as far as the right can go, that's the minute I dropped

00:51:07.440 the hammer. Cause I know what, where that's leading. And so that, that personally for me tends to be

00:51:12.800 the thing that will bring it. And that's why I push against James Lindsay and other guys,

00:51:16.320 but to the degree I can build bridges. I do like, I've spoken with Peter Boghossian,

00:51:20.960 uh, you know, and you know, uh, we were supposed to talk more and then he didn't. So I'm not sure what's

00:51:25.440 going to go, you know, hopefully I can have another conversation with him, but another guy who's a

00:51:29.200 leftist, you know, uh, guys like, uh, Dave Smith, who are libertarians, who I disagree with on certain

00:51:35.120 things. I'm not against burning, you know, having these dialogues. I'm not for burning all these

00:51:39.920 bridges. Uh, you know, and, and I will certainly still, you know, talk about the problems with

00:51:45.600 classical liberalism and libertarianism, even though I'm in dialogues with these people. Uh, but I try to

00:51:51.280 keep things as open as possible for as long as they are possible. If it, if it just doesn't exist,

00:51:56.240 if that opportunity fails, then we move to a different mode of conversation. But to the extent

00:52:00.640 that I can, I try to keep that open. Uh, let's see here. Life of Brian says, good news is I'm

00:52:07.520 plugged in enough to know what the rope, what the rope woke right is, or rather is not, uh, is not,

00:52:14.960 and I have no clue what just happened. Yeah. Again, I really didn't want to talk about this specific

00:52:20.240 drama. That's why I didn't go into any of the details. My point was tactics. Okay. What is the

00:52:26.000 right way? What is the process we should be embracing? What is the way to think about

00:52:31.520 community interactions and correction? Not that we shouldn't have correction,

00:52:34.880 not that we can't have standards, not that we shouldn't have principles,

00:52:38.560 but how do we keep them our own? How do we keep them internal? How do we not embarrass ourselves

00:52:42.720 in public and make our movement look like a joke that should be nowhere near power? These are things

00:52:47.440 that people should think about before they, uh, have a good cry out in public, which a lot of people

00:52:52.320 are doing right now. Uh, that is the stuff I'm trying to discourage. Uh, let's see.

00:52:58.000 Uh, CB says, any thoughts on the effective way to disagree with our beloved electoral officials?

00:53:03.680 Can they respond to strongly worded letters from constituents is counter signaling,

00:53:08.640 signaling useful. So I've worked inside, uh, you know, the offices of politicians, and I will tell you

00:53:15.440 that, um, there's a certain level, uh, of popular opinion that can have an impact. There's a certain

00:53:22.880 level of letter writing or calling in that can impact a person's, uh, or representative of a

00:53:29.840 politician's stance on something, but it needs to usually be pretty extreme or it needs to be very

00:53:34.880 loud on an issue they don't really care about. So to give you an understanding of the dynamic,

00:53:39.040 if someone has received, I don't know, uh, a million dollars from a lobbying organization,

00:53:46.800 uh, supporting an issue that they care deeply about your phone call is very unlikely to change that.

00:53:52.960 Okay. However, if there's an issue that very few people care about and there's not a lot of external

00:53:59.200 pressure on it and you are the loudest person about it, you can have a significant impact. Or of course,

00:54:04.720 if you're a lobbying organization or you wield a lot of people, uh, then you can bring that

00:54:10.000 collective voice and, and make those inroads. So, uh, does the like call your congressman campaign

00:54:17.040 move everything? No, like they're probably if, if Raytheon, uh, and, uh, you know, um,

00:54:24.320 certain lobbying organizations from foreign powers have convinced them that war, uh, is, is profitable.

00:54:30.640 Then your phone call in and of itself is probably not moving, uh, the, the, the needle too far.

00:54:36.640 However, um, there, there are issues on which you can make significant progress by being the squeakiest

00:54:42.160 wheel, or you can collectivize enough to move things. But ultimately I find, um, that building

00:54:48.480 institutions is ultimately your best pressure mechanism. Uh, populism is great for a moment,

00:54:54.480 but the thing that retains power is institution and organization. So if you want to actually impact,

00:55:00.640 uh, politics be organized, uh, don't just be loud.

00:55:06.720 Uh, let's see here. 16th century normie. Uh, he says attempts to handle the original controversy

00:55:12.560 privately failed the declaration, uh, collaborators keep hunting Nazis. Uh, what do, what do when, uh,

00:55:20.560 allies, uh, repudiate netter? Yeah. Again, um, uh, I don't know every twist and turn of this. And so I

00:55:27.920 don't, I'm not going to pass, I've heard a lot of things, but I don't want to pass judgment again.

00:55:31.440 I don't want to know any of this. However, that said, um, ultimately I think that the appeals,

00:55:39.440 the declaration are trying to make are bad and they're transparently bad. And it's not that

00:55:44.560 everything in the declaration is wrong. And it's not even that every concern that people who made

00:55:48.320 the declaration have is wrong. Uh, but the way that is done about done, the way that was gone about

00:55:53.920 was very bad. I'm very disappointed in, uh, I lost respect, frankly, for people who are going about

00:56:02.000 doing things this way. Uh, and so, uh, how should you respond? I, if you are on the other side of

00:56:08.320 that, you should be gracious. Uh, you should be respectful, uh, because the behavior of the other

00:56:14.080 people is clear enough. Like they're kind of hanging themselves. So the only thing, you know, like,

00:56:21.760 you know, uh, you know, forgive and, and, you know, don't, you're not wrong. Don't, you know,

00:56:26.720 don't say you're wrong. Don't, you know, but, but, you know, forgive those, that person and be the

00:56:31.440 bigger man and show ultimately that your behavior is one, uh, that is made for leadership and one that

00:56:39.840 is morally upstanding and let, you know, that'd be a coal heaped upon the head of those that would,

00:56:44.400 that would kind of behave in a poor manner. Uh, I'm not saying bend the knee at all. I'm just saying,

00:56:50.640 um, you know, uh, act in a spirit of, uh, forgiveness act in a spirit of like, I don't

00:56:56.000 disagree. This is bad behavior, but ultimately I'm here to talk. I'm here to resolve this.

00:57:00.400 And you're, you're going to be the one that comes off looking like, you know, the, the,

00:57:04.560 you know, the, as they say, whenever there is an attempt to bring two people to the table

00:57:08.960 and one person will not come to the table and they are like publicly raging about why they won't

00:57:14.320 come to the table that kind of speaks for itself. So let it speak.

00:57:21.200 Uh, let's see here. Uh, cyber Chad says we need to lead our own people or the state will.

00:57:27.680 It's been, I've been thinking about this concept for a while. Excellent stream.

00:57:31.040 Thank you. Orin. Well, thank you, man. And yeah, I think it's really that simple.

00:57:34.320 Uh, do you want to be governed by the, this progressive secular humanism or don't you?

00:57:39.680 And if the answer is no, then you need to govern yourselves.

00:57:42.960 That means resolving conflicts yourselves. If you're appealing to a judge outside of you,

00:57:48.000 or if you are appealing to an authority outside of you, if you're appealing to sovereignty outside

00:57:51.920 of you, you are acknowledging its authority. And that is exactly what seems to be happening.

00:57:55.920 Uh, the, the Halloway bird says, isn't this more about inevitable divide over Christian Zionism

00:58:04.400 and boomers clinging to institutions? Uh, that's part of it to be sure. Um, you know, 0.88

00:58:09.840 I gotta say, uh, obviously there seems to be a certain level of overlap though. Not everybody

00:58:14.800 on the side of the declaration is a, is a declared Zionist. The, some of them have made that clear.

00:58:20.080 Um, ultimately that is a problem and a problem that has to be resolved. Uh, but, um, I don't

00:58:24.640 think that's the entirety of it. Uh, Paladin YYZ says I'm a little lost on why anybody is retreating

00:58:32.800 to anything at this stage. Trump is not, uh, in office. His cabinet picks have not yet been confirmed.

00:58:39.280 The Coliseum is filled with noise. Yeah. Again, this is, uh, one of the reasons I'm so disappointed

00:58:45.120 is there's so much more work to do and there's such a important work to do right now. And the fact that

00:58:51.760 this is the moment that again, not just this declaration, but all kinds of other stuff online,

00:58:56.640 I've seen the fact that it seems like it's circular, uh, firing squad season just is insane to me.

00:59:02.320 Like, this is the moment you need everybody on the line. This is the moment you need all the momentum.

00:59:07.360 This is the moment you need every soldier. And instead people are like, well,

00:59:10.240 what if we just stopped and shot each other? Seems very stupid. Uh, and then I think he, 1.00

00:59:16.560 yeah, he just sent the same one twice. Well, thank you very much. Sorry that, uh,

00:59:19.520 ended up getting said twice there, but I appreciate it. Uh,

00:59:24.800 blood-based says I'm slight, I'm slight to the right of Genghis Khan. So I can only punch

00:59:29.840 punch left again. Um, I don't think being to the right always makes you correct. Uh,

00:59:36.320 no enemies to the right. Uh, it was changed to no enemies on the right by Charles Haywood

00:59:42.640 to clarify this point. It's not that someone who claims to be the right is automatically correct.

00:59:47.680 It is simply the point that you should not be expending your energy on people who don't matter.

00:59:53.840 Look, however, you know, if you have a huge problem, if you're really terrified about the rise of

00:59:58.800 neo-Nazis or something that just doesn't exist because Nazism doesn't exist anymore. But if you're

01:00:04.160 really worried about that, you can be worried about that while not appealing to the left,

01:00:08.160 you can be worried about that. And you can counsel people away from that. And you can kind of distance

01:00:12.800 yourself from people engaged in that behavior without having to expend all of your energy,

01:00:18.960 fighting them and appealing to the standards of your enemies. Uh, sorry, but those people,

01:00:24.960 however dangerous you might feel that they might be, uh, have no power, like zero, none as where the

01:00:30.720 people who are actually giving custody, uh, to the state or to parents that want to mutilate their

01:00:36.800 children and denying it to people who don't, those are real, they have real power. They're affecting

01:00:41.360 people's lives right now. So again, not that you can't have standards, not that you can't correct

01:00:46.400 people who you think are incorrect, but if you were aiming all your firepower at powerless people,

01:00:52.240 instead of actual enemies who are actively hurting children in real life right now. And that's not

01:00:57.520 just that one issue. There are so many issues where this is the case. Like if all of your energy is

01:01:01.760 focused there on your own people who might be wrong on your own side, as opposed to people on the other

01:01:07.280 side who have real power, you have lost your mind and you have lost your priorities and you are just 0.99

01:01:11.680 making a fool of yourself. Uh, Paladin YYZ says, Twitter is good for your good morning metal 0.99

01:01:19.680 samples. If you've changed one life as a result, then it's all worth it. Well, I, I do my best.

01:01:24.880 I hope I have introduced you guys to some fun music. It's, that's just a thing I like to do on

01:01:29.520 Twitter and many people enjoy it. So I continue to do so. All right, guys, I'm going to go ahead

01:01:34.160 and wrap this up. I want to thank everybody for watching. If it's your first time on the channel,

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01:02:00.640 have some common sense. Be, be good to your brothers and sisters.

01:02:03.840 Uh, attempt, attempt to heal these wounds. Come to the table. Uh, it's, it's foolish. Be wise. Do

01:02:09.440 not appeal to your enemies, uh, appeal to the community, strengthen each other, encourage each

01:02:14.880 other, disciple each other. Uh, do, do not throw your brothers to the wolves. Uh, that, that, that is

01:02:20.640 foolish. That is ugly. Uh, and it only ever ends poorly. Thank you for watching. And as always, 0.99

01:02:25.360 I will talk to you next time.

The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 27, 2024

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