I'm Not Angry, I'm Disappointed ｜ 11⧸27⧸24
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Summary
In this episode, Rolf talks about how we should behave in public when dealing with people who are supposed to be our allies in public, and how we treat each other when we have friendly bets. And then he talks about the Antioch Declaration.
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Apparently Donald Trump won, and instead of celebrating,
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everyone's decided that now is the time to lose their mind at each other on the right.
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So, you know, sorry for bringing some of this into the real world.
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If you're somebody who's not plugged in to Twitter, then some of this is going to be a little of me talking about what's going on there.
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But I want to zoom out and not just focus on Twitter drama.
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What I want us to understand are some principles about the way that we should conduct ourselves in public,
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especially when it comes to correcting those inside our community when we feel it's our duty.
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How should these things be approached so that they don't publicly humiliate us in front of everyone and make us look like a bunch of children that don't have our stuff together?
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These are all questions that apparently we need to think deeply about because that is not what has been happening.
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And it's pretty depressing to see people approach things the way that they've been approaching it.
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So I'm going to be talking about, you know, Anon's warring on Twitter.
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I'm going to be talking about the way that we should treat each other when we have friendly bets.
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And finally, the way that some people in, let's say, the Christian nationalists or reformed Christian sphere have been treating each other when it comes to the Antioch Declaration, which is its own its own problem.
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I'm not going to get into every aspect of any of those pieces of drama, but I do want to give us some general principles and approaches as to the way we should think about and address these things when we're dealing with people who are supposed to be our allies in public.
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All right, so let's start off from, I think, what should be the more obvious stuff and the easiest stuff to unpack, and then we'll move into things that might be slightly more complicated.
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So at the beginning of this, I just want to take a brief moment to talk about my bet with my buddy academic agent, Cigar Slam, as we've affectionately called it.
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Now, Cigar Slam from the beginning was supposed to be fun.
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It's something that, you know, we're talking about, we're joking about.
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It's mainly a reason for me and my friend to get online and do bits about it.
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We have a disagreement, and we're interested in resolving it, but it is a friendly disagreement.
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We have played into this with each other, and perhaps we've been too effective.
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And so many people have taken this in a direction where they are getting openly hostile to each other about this bet.
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I, you know, there are people attacking academic agent and myself using all kinds of unnecessary hostility and language.
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You know, there's a reason that I did an episode where I listed all the reasons I was right, and then academic agent ran in and, you know, did the appearance in the middle, and we did the pro wrestling match in the middle of the thing.
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I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this since we have made it pretty evident that it's pro wrestling, but I guess I do because people are getting very serious about it to the point where academic agent and I are just ready to exchange cigars and call it a day because it's gotten a little ridiculous.
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Let's not make everything a serious, you know, sparring match or like a serious battle.
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We can just have a little fun sparring match, you know, exhibition.
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You know, we don't have to go for blood at every moment.
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Like, I also have the desire to win and be correct and all these things.
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I mean, I still hold that academic agent is incorrect and that my theory is correct.
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So that's the first one to just get easy and out of the way.
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Let's de-escalate that and let the fun pro wrestling thing be the fun pro wrestling thing.
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And let's not get nasty or harsh or bitter about the whole instance.
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The incentives drive us towards that, I suppose.
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Let's actually let ourselves have some fun, guys.
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The second thing that I have seen recently is people getting in full out, knock down drag outs over kind of the dumbest things on Twitter and then demanding that people reveal themselves, you know, their anonymity.
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Hey, if you really believed, you know, that if you were really representing that position, you would show me your face.
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First, that is never some kind of indication of someone's being correct, is their willingness to share their identity online.
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Second, a large amount of what has happened, including things like, you know, the Haitian story when it came to Trump and Springfield and everything were broken by anons who still have not taken out, you know, brought their own identity to the forefront.
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Anons are doing important work, and it's important to not try to push anyone out of that.
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The minute I see someone encouraging someone to dox themselves, someone talking about doxing someone, that is the minute you lose my respect.
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You will just be dropped from, you know, you are no longer a friend the minute I see you doing that to people.
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That is not the way that we should be behaving online, especially with people who might be adjacent to you.
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Maybe this is somebody on the online, right, who has been completely battling you and opposed to you.
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You do not call on someone to remove their anonymity or any of that.
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I don't like it when, you know, random guys online bash anonymity.
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And I certainly don't like it when other anons or people who should know better, who are in the sphere and understand why people are anonymous, go in there and demand that stuff.
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And again, I don't want to get into, uh, everything about this stuff because I find the conflicts themselves boring.
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Uh, I'm just tired of seeing people behaving badly or stupidly.
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Uh, because I guess they had nothing better to do after Trump's victory.
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They don't want to encourage, I don't know, Matt, you know, the deportations or any of this stuff, uh, dismantling of the guy.
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The only thing they've had to do is argue about the meaning of memes.
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The whole point of memes is that they communicate something unspoken.
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The whole joke about the left is they can't mean because they have to over explain everything.
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Uh, if you are one of these people, uh, you are acting like a leftist.
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Let them work their magic on their own and then move on.
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There's, there's no reason to obsess with this and make that like some topic of discourse
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If, if you wanted to be a drama YouTuber, pick Call of Duty or something.
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Please don't do this with, with, with, uh, important political issues.
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Let's get into the one that was far more complicated and far more annoying.
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And, and has, has really, uh, disappointed me in saying, uh, the, the, seeing the way that
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Uh, now there's something called the Antioch, uh, declaration going around and like the Protestant
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reform world, Christian nationalist guys, a lot are touched on this.
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I'm not going to get into any of the drama behind this.
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Uh, there are people who have made videos on this.
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There are people who have discussed this, had long podcasts.
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I don't know why I know about this, all of this stuff.
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It's very dumb that it's being aired in public.
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And so my, my purpose is not to come on here and rehash all this drama and give you my opinion
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I have an opinion, but that is not my purpose here.
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My purpose today is to have a discussion on how we correct people publicly, especially
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There's a right way to do this and a wrong way to do this.
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And the conservative movement has been failing on this repeatedly.
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And so the reason I want to touch on this is not the current drama between whatever.
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The reason I want to touch on this is, is this is a recurring problem over and over again
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And especially when it comes to people who are conducting themselves now online, not understanding
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the purpose of certain platforms, the dynamics of things going on, what tactics are destructive
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to your community and will guarantee, uh, it being torn apart.
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So, uh, that, that's the main thing I'm going to get in now.
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Uh, so the first thing you need to understand is no conflicts are resolved on twitter.com.
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I'm going to repeat that for people who may not understand what I just said, even though it
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Twitter is not a place where you have involved thoughtful discussions.
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And that doesn't mean that people don't have informed positions on twitter doesn't mean
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they don't have thoughtful positions on twitter.
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I post threads about things I'm thinking about and ideas that I have and points I want to
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But the back and forth nature of twitter is not one in which you resolve disagreements.
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That is simply not the dynamic that it, uh, that it encourages, uh, the, due to the way
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that you see things on twitter, the algorithmic engagement, the, the piecemeal nature of conversation,
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you are always getting a snapshot of what someone thinks.
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And you are always getting a selective snapshot, usually not seeing everything they post.
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You're not seeing it in context with everything else they're referencing.
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And so Twitter is a terrible way to resolve a conflict.
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Resolving conflicts in public is always stupid.
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If you are familiar with conflict resolution at all, you know, that the first thing that happens
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when you address behavior that you think is bad or an approach that you think is bad in public.
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If you want to resolve a problem with a person, you have that discussion with them one-on-one
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because the minute you have that discussion in public, you are subjecting that person to ridicule.
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If you wanted to solve the problem, you would have talked, spoken with that person specifically.
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You would have had that discussion with that person specifically, but the minute you bring
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things into public, what you're looking for is the mob.
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The reason to have discussions in public is you want the power of numbers.
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You're not looking to reason through something.
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You're looking to hurt someone in public and make it known that you can bring the power of
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So I have had differences with people I respect and care about.
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And when that happens, I have those discussions in person or one-on-one in an internet discussion.
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I do not have that discussion online in public for everyone to see.
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There are even people I've had discussions with who I continue to clash with and continue to
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disagree with, but I don't do it online because I know that person is doing good work ultimately.
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And while me may have a personality clash, or we might have some issue, uh, over, you know,
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some approach that we don't a hundred percent disagree, don't a hundred percent agree on.
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I recognize that person is doing something important.
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I might try to encourage them in a specific direction publicly, but I do not trash them.
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I do not try to show the, you know, that they are a bad person or any of these things in public
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And I know that's not going to happen if I do it in public.
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When you attack someone in public, you freeze them in their position because any concession of
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being wrong is a defeat in public and a humiliation in public.
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So if you want to make sure that someone does not change their mind, the best way to do it
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Now, to be clear, there are people who I address online and it's usually because I am very sure
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they are never coming on my side or that they are actively being malicious in some aspect of the
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behavior that I'm not going to talk them through in private.
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There are some people I've tried to talk things through in private and that has failed.
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And then eventually our disagreement has become so severe that they do something online that
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But to the extent to which I can resolve something interpersonally, that is what I try to do.
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So that said, if you have a movement and you would like that movement to take over.
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If you would like to win a significant victory in the face of a system that opposes you and
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these people are on your side, then the worst thing you can do is take the disagreements you
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have inside your movement and air them outside the movement publicly for everyone to see.
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Now, the problem we have in many of our modern interactions is we forget when we're talking to
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the masses and when we are talking to people inside our movement, because much of, and I'm
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very familiar with this because for a long time, I wasn't on a major conservative network and I didn't
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have, you know, any significant reach outside of the sphere of people I was talking to, we would often
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talk about what we were going to do or aspects of the movement and things we need to think about
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in public because really the only people watching were the people inside of it.
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However, the way this works is if you do things on public platforms, the people who will notice it
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won't just be the people that you want to talk to. Everyone has access to it. If you're making a
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podcast, if you are doing a YouTube video, if you are tweeting at people, everyone can see it.
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You may assume that only the people inside familiar with all of the different aspects and all of the
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different, uh, you know, context will be the only ones to see it, but that is not what happens.
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And the minute it escapes the bubble of people who have the context and they start pulling at it,
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it gets out of hand very quickly. So you want to be very aware when you make these kinds of
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discussions, how you are having them and the way in which this will be pulled into the public.
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Because if you don't get this, you can easily ruin your movement very early on. So
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that said, like I, like I said, there's this Antioch declaration. Again, I'm not going to get into
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the people involved, the background, all of that stuff. Videos have been made. I am not interested
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in the drama. What I'm interested in is the way we approach our disagreements in public.
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So there have been, uh, this is the only background you really need. Uh, there's a certain level of
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disagreement inside that community when it comes to how far away from kind of consensus, progressive
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liberalism we should move. There are some people who are like, well, we just need to get rid of
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some of the leftist stuff, but we should keep the majority of kind of the 1960s understanding of
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America. Uh, that that's really 1950s and sixties understanding of America. That's really all we
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should look at. And then there are others who say, no, we need to go back further and ask questions about
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kind of what is a nation, what are a people, how we should move forward together with this.
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And that, that, that division has been there for a while. Now there are bad actors on both sides of
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this. Uh, but the point is that that constant back and forth has created a level of tension with people
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who should be working towards ostensibly the same goal, which is a return to Christianity in the public
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sphere and a revitalization of Christian life from the church and individual level all the way up.
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That should be kind of the shared understanding of what is moving forward, or at least that was kind
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of what bound those people together to what degree they were bound. However, those, the differentiation
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between those groups inside of this has led to a constant back and forth, uh, you know, uh, bad blood
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being kind of little digs moved into every one of their videos and every one of their discussions.
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And this is kind of exacerbated to the point where things got much, much worse. Again, I don't want to
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get into the drama that is not ultimately what I'm interested in, but in an attempt to kind of cut this
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short, uh, there was a declaration put out by one side, the, the kind of, uh, pro 1950s or whatever,
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like American identity side. And their, uh, their declaration was meant very specifically to create
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a friend enemy distinction. Now I'm not super familiar with this space. Uh, I'm actually relatively
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new to this. There's a reason I've never called myself a Christian nationalist. I have problem with
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the branding and, and other, uh, other aspects of it, though. I am overall sympathetic with many of
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the goals of the movement. Uh, however, uh, this, the, maybe this behavior is more common among them.
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I get the sense that declarations are not something new to them. However, uh, a declaration like this,
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where you're asking people to sign on, uh, is, is a, a, and, and it is very clearly a denouncement and attempt to
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lump together people who actually do have bad views with people who just have differing views from those
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in charge. Uh, this is, this is a move that is not great. Uh, it is a call to basically divide your
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movement publicly out in the open. Uh, and this gets particularly suspicious post to Trump election,
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uh, because it feels like, uh, there's a very specific move here tactically to get closer to
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something that will be mainstream acceptable and can maybe work itself into, uh, the, the
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administration or its goals or get closer to establishment power. Uh, and, and therefore
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jettison all the things that, you know, are not, uh, not desirable. It, it is a purity test of the
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highest order. It is most certainly an attempt. I mean, that there's literally an attempt to draw
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the friend enemy distinction. We are going to circumscribe, you know, what, what is insider
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movement and, and, uh, what must be expelled. That's very clearly kind of the effort being put here.
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And the thing about the declaration, however you feel about the content of it, uh, is the manner in
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which it, it is, it, it seems to appeal to mainstream leftist orthodoxies, uh, particularly around
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identity and nationhood. Again, you can reject people who you think are wrong. Uh, especially when
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it comes to a more extreme versions of nationalism, you can, you can say that I don't agree with these
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aspects. I, they have problems, but the thing that you want to do, if you think someone is incorrect
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about those things is to counsel them internally is to have a dialogue with that person about what
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they were wrong about. I've had these discussions, uh, behind closed doors. I have, uh, communicated
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with people who I think are out of line on certain issues who show, uh, a certain level of animosity that
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I find not productive, these kinds of things. And you'll be amazed how much can get, you can get done
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persuading people when you have a conversation one-on-win with their best interests at heart.
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I have also, by the way, had these conversations with people on the other side, people who are too
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bought in to the boomerisms, who are bought, who are too bought in to the post-war consensus, who are
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too bought in to the liberal narrative. And again, you'll be amazed how far you can move them and
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how much you can correct when you will just have an actual discussion with these people
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in private, as if you care about them, as if they are human being that matters,
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as if they are not some widget online for you to dominate, but a real person inside your movement.
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My, my main concern, and this is, this is what this discussion is really about. Again,
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I don't care about the drama. This, that's not what I'm trying to focus on here.
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The main discussion I want to have to you is what, what that I want to have with you is what
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If you look through time, history, everything, the thing that successfully separates a movement and
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allows it to win over a culturally dominant force is its rejection of their authority and the
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creation of its own. Okay. You can look at this in, uh, many different ways. Uh, some brief examples,
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uh, so that you just have some context for what I'm saying here. For instance, um,
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Fustel Kalange in the ancient city talks about how the Roman families, the patricians,
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protected their power and their culture from being subsumed by the larger first city state and then
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empire by allowing themselves to be the only ones that can judge people inside their family or inside,
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uh, their, uh, their, their, their network, their patriotism network. So if there's a problem
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inside the community, the first thing you do is not go straight to the magistrate that oversees it. You
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don't just go straight to the civil authority. You have the authority of the patriarch of the family and
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then the Patriot, you know, like each one of the, there are layers of community between you and the
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authority of the state. And the, one of the things that controls the authority of the state
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is the fact that you can appeal to these other authorities. You don't run to the public to, uh,
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to resolve your problems. You resolve the problems inside the community. And by doing that, you make
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sure it is your standards and your rules and your morality and your religion and your traditions
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that actually are the things that are being appealed to. So not only does it keep your people from
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feeling betrayed because you went outside of their trust to go to some outside authority and appeal to
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that, but it also ensures that your movement stays its own because you're not appealing to an outside
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authority and its rules and its way of doing things and its standard and bringing its pressure in
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to cancel the people inside your movement. Look, the best case scenario is there is no internecine
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warfare. The best case scenario is that people don't have these conflicts, but let's be realistic.
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These conflicts will always exist. So because we know human nature means that this level of conflict
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always exists. We want conflict resolution mechanisms that work inside out. This is by the way,
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why the Bible, I'm not like just coming, I'm not just pulling this principle out of nowhere.
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This is why the Bible encourages discipline to be inside the church. First, it's between one person.
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Then it's between, you know, a couple elders. Then if you must bring it to the church, you bring it to
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the church. You don't go straight to the Romans and say, Hey, Romans, I need you to fix this problem
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inside our church. That's an appeal to authority outside. And if you do that on a regular basis,
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you will be ceding your authority and your understanding of your standards and everything
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else, not to the church, not to the people. You will be ceding it to the outside authorities.
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This is why this is a biblical principle, but it's also something we can observe as a power principle.
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The Bible is acknowledging a truth of human nature and telling us how best to navigate it. Right?
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So we don't go and appeal to the outside. We don't appeal to the mob. We don't appeal to the state.
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We resolve our conflicts internally. And if you do this properly, you will actually, if you,
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if you continually do this and you gain enough authority, you can actually create parallel structures.
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And these parallel structures can rival the castles of the people who are ruling over you. So for
00:29:18.400
instance, uh, I had my buddy, uh, uh, Kevin Dolan on, and he talked about how, uh, in Afghanistan,
00:29:24.720
the Taliban built up this system of bookkeeping and, and it was more reliable than what the state
00:29:30.560
was doing. And people kept appealing to the Taliban to resolve their problems. And so that's how they
00:29:34.880
gained power before they actually became, you know, the kind of the ruling power in F inside Afghanistan.
00:29:40.800
If you've ever paid attention to a mob, right, this is, this is how the mob takes over a neighborhood.
00:29:45.600
You know, you, they, the, the police cannot provide safety. They no longer have
00:29:50.080
the monopoly on authority. They can't actually provide security. And so you pay security money
00:29:55.520
to the mob, even though that's not ideal, it's better than getting your stuff broken into all the
00:29:59.760
time, not just by the mob itself, but by others, uh, that that's how any faction of alternative
00:30:06.000
authority takes over in an area. And so if you see something like, I don't know, the United States
00:30:12.160
government losing credibility and say, I don't know, some courts that are showing their willingness
00:30:18.240
to separate kids from their parents. Cause the parents won't like cut their junk off.
00:30:23.040
Like if you see a system losing its credibility, the worst thing you can do is appeal to that system.
00:30:29.920
The best thing you can do is keep your disputes internal. If you want to look at any movement,
00:30:35.680
you want to look at, I don't know, like Jewish movements in the United States,
00:30:39.040
like Orthodox Jews, they tend to resolve their problems inside their community. First,
00:30:44.560
same thing with a Muslim communities inside the United States. They resolve their issues inside
00:30:50.960
first. A lot of people got very angry about this, understandably with Sharia law and things,
00:30:54.880
because that meant that people were going outside the American system. It was losing its, uh,
00:31:00.080
its monopoly on, on the kind of the, the spheres. And instead they resolving it with alternative courts,
00:31:05.920
uh, that were specific to their communities. Now, the reason we don't like that is that destroys
00:31:10.400
national authority. And I don't want, you know, people doing that just because they happen to be
00:31:14.880
part of other religions, whether it be, uh, you know, Jewish or Muslim or whatever. But the point
00:31:20.160
is the mechanics are the same, whether, whether you're in on board with the goal or not, you know,
00:31:26.000
if, if you're a Christian looking to undermine the secular authority of certain institutions,
00:31:31.840
the best thing to do is not use them, not appeal to them. You don't like the American public school
00:31:37.840
system. Well, it'd be great if you can change it, but if you can simply undermine it by making sure
00:31:42.400
that your kids are not subject to it, that's the best short-term solution. Same thing is true
00:31:47.680
when it comes to pretty much anything else. If a community can have its own standards that it appeals
00:31:53.120
to rather than appealing to outside authority, then that community is doing better. Right?
00:31:58.320
So when I see something like this declaration, what I see is a very obvious attempt by people
00:32:06.240
who are having an internal personal spat to make that internal personal spat external to take things
00:32:16.320
that should have been resolved internally between people and instead bring it into public spheres where
00:32:23.280
it will invite scrutiny. And more importantly, where the people who externalize the conflict are hoping
00:32:30.320
they can wield the power of cancellation. They can wield the power of the secular consensus.
00:32:38.720
That's what I see. Now they'll cloak that language in biblical language. They'll say,
00:32:42.720
Oh, really? We're only appealing to these biblical principles. But if that was true,
00:32:47.760
you would have kept it internal. You're appealing externally for a reason. And that's because it allows you to
00:32:52.720
bring the weight of the mob. And we see this all the time. This is not just this one stupid internet
00:32:58.080
drama instance. We see this all the time with conservatives. If a conservative wants to cancel
00:33:04.880
somebody, what do they do? They attack them from the left. They don't attack them from the right. No one
00:33:11.520
says, Oh, well, you're not right wing enough and you should be pushed out of the conservative movement.
00:33:15.760
That almost never happens. What happens is they go to the left of that person and they say, Oh,
00:33:20.720
well, I have, uh, you know, evidence that you said this thing about the wrong group,
00:33:25.200
or you phrase something this way, or at some point you were associated with the wrong people.
00:33:29.200
And those people are too far to the right. And so I am going to use the power of the left. I'm going
00:33:34.000
to appeal to the left's standards to cancel you, this person to my right. And that is how I resolve
00:33:40.640
conflicts inside my conservative movement. And one of the reasons that the conservative amendment have been
00:33:46.400
so weak and so ineffective is that for years it has undermined itself by appealing to the authority
00:33:53.120
of the left whenever it has a disagreement. So if somebody on the right thinks that another person is
00:33:59.600
too far to the right, they immediately run to the power of the left and use that as the way to get rid
00:34:05.600
of their competition. And that is how, you know, your movement is weak. That is how, you know, your movement
00:34:11.840
is subservient. That is now, that is how, you know, your movement is full of losers because you do not
00:34:18.960
have your own standards and you cannot appeal to your own authority and you cannot resolve your conflicts
00:34:24.960
internally. Instead, you are looking for outside confirmation of your position from a authority that
00:34:34.320
is opposed to your goal. That is loser behavior. That is absolute 100% loser behavior. And this is
00:34:43.440
why conservatives have been losers for a very long time because they have appealed to exactly this
00:34:50.960
dynamic inside American politics. Ultimately conservatives knew the left was in charge and
00:34:56.400
they had the institutional power and they had the control of the narratives. And so while you might
00:35:01.280
faint about the, I'm fighting against the left, blah, blah, blah. If you really need to get rid of a
00:35:06.640
rival, if you really need to secure power, if you really need to end the discussion, because you don't
00:35:12.400
want to have it, the way to do that is to go to the left and say, oh, by the way, this guy over there,
00:35:20.560
he's got some bad associations. He might've made a tweet. I don't like, I bet you can probably find some
00:35:26.000
dirt on him. Why don't you blow up my opponent? And all of a sudden, now that your opponent has been
00:35:30.880
taken out by the mainstream media or censored on social media, or has somehow been excised from the
00:35:37.600
movement, you're reigning champion. You're the undisputed champion, but the problem is you're the
00:35:43.680
champion because the left has basically selected you. You were the safest option. You bent the knee.
00:35:49.600
You appealed to powers outside the movement. You appealed to standards created by the left. And now you are
00:35:56.160
owned by them. You're their creature. You're their gatekeeper. That's your job. Congratulations.
00:36:04.240
That's who you are. You're, you're the king of the hill after you burned down everything worth ruling
00:36:10.000
over. Good for you. I've seen this behavior over and over again, many times, and I am seeing it now.
00:36:18.400
And I am very disappointed. I am extremely disappointed. You're trying to set up a system
00:36:24.960
opposed to secularism. You're trying to set up a system opposed to progressivism. You're trying to
00:36:31.680
set up a system opposed to even the assumptions that many conservatives have placed on the role
00:36:36.240
of government, the role of religion and government. And yet when it comes time to solve a disagreement,
00:36:41.760
the plan is to go outside and find someone else to do your dirty work, someone else to be the hatchet
00:36:49.200
man, some other standard to be applied. Now, again, I want to be clear. This is not me saying
00:36:56.640
correction should not happen. I've had Charles Haywood on the show. He's explained the no enemies
00:37:02.960
to the right, uh, approach and why it's a political strategy and all of these things.
00:37:07.760
My point is not to rehash that because we've already had those discussions. But my point is to say
00:37:14.640
that if you're really interesting and interested in solving the problem, if you really think there is
00:37:19.840
an issue, then you should address it. I'm not telling you, you shouldn't have standards. I'm not telling you
00:37:26.160
that you can't be critical. I am not telling you that you should not be pushing against bad doctrine,
00:37:32.080
bad behavior, all of these things. I am not saying any of that. However, what I am saying
00:37:39.440
is that if you actually care about resolving those issues, instead of signaling how good a person you
00:37:45.360
are, how you're one of the good ones, how you're one of the safe ones, if you're actually interested
00:37:50.320
in resolving that issue, instead of showing how you're morally superior, because you can appeal to the
00:37:56.080
public leftist understanding of order, then you resolve those issues in house and you appeal to
00:38:03.440
the principles of your own movement. And you don't need to do that publicly because you have the
00:38:09.120
confidence that privately your movement holds to these things. And by the way, if you find out that's
00:38:16.400
wrong, then the best way to solve that is not to attack everybody and make a blood enemy about
00:38:22.960
everyone who came down on the wrong side of that issue. Look at the left, look at the left,
00:38:27.760
do they disagree vehemently? Okay. But they still find a way to work together to attack you.
00:38:36.880
They don't spend all of their time having complete shootouts. Now, don't get me wrong. They disagree.
00:38:43.440
And you know, I'm not saying there's unity on the left. There's not, there's many different factions,
00:38:48.800
but they know that first their enemy is the right. And to the extent which they can
00:38:53.360
work together, they figure that out. And then if someone on the left is doing something they don't
00:38:57.520
like, well, they kind of keep their mouth shut because they know ultimately these people are
00:39:02.640
pushing in the same direction as them. And they, they were better off not destroying their movement.
00:39:08.320
It would be better to simply correct that person to the degree that they can
00:39:12.560
and then move on. Right. Because they have bigger enemies. They have an order of enemies that they
00:39:16.880
understand. They understand that purity inside the movement is not the number one thing though.
00:39:22.400
They are trying that experiment. And how is that working out for everyone?
00:39:26.640
They know to make, they know to make disciplinary actions when they can, but they mostly make them
00:39:32.400
internally. We are not doing that. You never see the left appealing to the right's understanding of
00:39:38.560
something. That never happens. You never see someone saying, oh, we're going to cancel this person
00:39:44.960
because they're too Marxist. Sorry. They're just, they're too much of a radical communist that never
00:39:50.480
happens. They never say, oh, well, the right is ultimately correct about this issue. And we're
00:39:56.080
going to use their standards to police our thought inside the left. That just never occurs. It does not
00:40:02.800
exist. Okay. And yet on the right, people do it all the time. It's continuous. And so, like I said,
00:40:10.320
I'm not interested in breaking into each bit of, you know, whatever drama, I don't want to recount
00:40:16.400
this. I don't even honestly want you to look into it because it shouldn't exist. It's stupid. It's
00:40:21.120
incredibly stupid. And all of the problems are imminently resolvable. And none of the people
00:40:25.760
involved seem to, I shouldn't say none of the people involved. Some people have made overtures,
00:40:30.160
but in general, there seems to be a spirit of, we are not here to resolve this, this conflict.
00:40:34.880
We are here to cancel our enemies and we will use the power of the left to do it. And that is just
00:40:42.800
weak. Okay. Christian nationalism was this huge boogeyman for the left. They scared the bejesus
00:40:49.040
out of people. Trust me. I talked to plenty of people who are leftists who are just terrified of
00:40:54.160
this. They really believe that like some handmaid's tale was being ushered in whatever. And within,
00:40:59.920
and the left got all this juice and all this campaign, you know, fervor over them, it still
00:41:04.720
didn't win them the campaign. Thank goodness. However, they got all of that. And guess what?
00:41:10.480
The Christian nationalists couldn't make it like six months without tearing into each other and
00:41:13.920
destroying their own movement. You can't tell me you're going to rule anything if you cannot rule
00:41:20.960
yourself. It's that simple. If, if, if you are so easily hurt, if your feelings are so easily injured,
00:41:30.880
if your pride is so obviously served in public that you cannot let someone disagree with you
00:41:40.240
or that you cannot figure these things out internally, if you do not have the level of
00:41:44.400
leadership and humility to come to the table and resolve these issues, then you do not deserve to
00:41:51.200
rule. You don't, you can't rule yourself. You're not going to rule anything else. You are unworthy.
00:41:58.400
And when you make appeals outside of your movement to seek the, the, the billy club of your opponents
00:42:07.600
to cancel someone, all you are showing is that you are a slave.
00:42:11.760
All you are showing is that you are subservient to the movement you are appealing to into the
00:42:16.320
standards you are appealing to and to the mob you are appealing to that you do not have the discipline
00:42:21.920
and you do not have the courage and you do not have the leadership ability to take the problems
00:42:27.760
inside your community seriously and resolve them in an equitable manner that will save people's face
00:42:34.640
when possible and will ultimately advance your cause. And so, like I said,
00:42:41.120
I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. A lot of people who thought they were ready for prime time
00:42:46.720
showed themselves to not be ready for prime time because they don't have basic political discipline.
00:42:52.080
And look, I'm not perfect. I make mistakes. I have fallen on the wrong side of this before.
00:42:57.360
So I'm, this is not me talking about like how I am. I am so much better. My point is that if you
00:43:05.760
are un, if you are unable to lead the small group of people inside your own movement and you are unable
00:43:13.680
to erect a, uh, an ability to correct and discipline, uh, while still maintaining the values and identity
00:43:24.000
of that movement internally, then you're never going anywhere. You're just never going anywhere.
00:43:30.640
And if you're tired of the state being the ones who make these decisions, if you're tired of the
00:43:36.560
mainstream media being the ones that make these decisions for the, for, uh, for you,
00:43:41.360
then try not appealing to them. Try not throwing your brothers onto their sword. Try that.
00:43:48.560
Because if you don't do that, if you don't have that level of discipline,
00:43:53.280
then you kind of get what you deserve. You, you, you deserve to be ruled and you will continue to
00:43:57.040
be ruled in this manner until you get it right. I get, and that's ultimately just, that's what the
00:44:02.560
message I wanted to get across is the drama is tempting. The, the infighting is tempting.
00:44:08.240
Uh, we've all fallen to it before, but, um, you've got, we got to do better.
00:44:13.200
Um, you got to do better. Um, because otherwise, um, you know, the left is going to win it and they
00:44:19.920
should. All right. Let's move over to the questions of the people here.
00:44:25.680
Uh, Jamie starfish says, or, and I think you and Josh does had a great back and forth about your,
00:44:35.760
it's not race science meme last year or not rocket science meme last year.
00:44:39.760
Was that an exception to the rule? Uh, you know, uh, fair point actually, uh, that is so actually,
00:44:47.280
so let me put it this way. I think the reason that Josh and I, uh, eventually came together and are now
00:44:54.640
very friendly over his disagreement online is that Josh was wise enough to say, I was right about
00:45:01.280
many things while dis while ultimately disagreeing on certain points. And when I responded to Josh,
00:45:06.960
I did the same thing. I took the same approach. I said, Josh has an excellent thread that points
00:45:11.920
out a lot of good stuff, but I do disagree with him on these things. And by the way, uh, Josh eventually
00:45:16.800
said, I think you were ultimately right about these things, but that is not like me, you know,
00:45:22.000
waving some banner of victory. Josh was wise enough and had enough, um, discipline and composure
00:45:32.800
to place his arguments inside a frame that first affirmed the points I was making, which makes me
00:45:41.040
far more likely to listen to what he has to say. And by the way, this is also a great strategy.
00:45:47.520
If you're trying to figure things out inside, I don't know, say Christian nationalism,
00:45:51.440
take a moment and affirm the things that you're, you're the person you're talking to is right about.
00:45:56.640
And by the way, ultimately, if I had known Josh before that, uh, exchange, uh, I certainly would
00:46:02.800
have gone to him personally. And I believe the same thing to be true about Josh because he's a good guy.
00:46:08.400
Like the only reason we had that discussion publicly is we literally were not following each other.
00:46:13.600
We had no way to have that discourse other than publicly. And because of the way he approached
00:46:18.960
that and the way, hopefully I reflected, uh, and approach that, uh, we were able to then find where
00:46:26.880
we had common ground, agree on a lot of really important things, and now have a, a friendly
00:46:32.960
relationship on a regular basis. That is the way that these things should get done. If they get done in
00:46:38.320
public at all, definitely not a bunch of sniping, definitely not a lot of nastiness.
00:46:45.280
It's not that hard. If you actually are interested in winning people over rather than just, you know,
00:46:51.360
trying, trying to create this friend enemy distinction for them. Uh, let's see.
00:46:56.080
Uh, German, uh, says, uh, you've referenced our Reno on your show. I work with him and would love to
00:47:05.920
have him appear on the show in any email I can contact to coordinate. Uh, yes, absolutely. Uh,
00:47:13.280
I've talked to, uh, Mr. Reno briefly in person. Uh, but I enjoyed his book and would love to have an
00:47:19.920
extended conversation with him. Um, best thing to do is at me on Twitter, uh, and I will shoot you a
00:47:26.400
better contact. Uh, so just, just put my name in an at with the Reno thing on Twitter. I'll catch it
00:47:32.320
in the notifications and then, uh, we'll, we'll get something set up. Cause I w I would love to have
00:47:37.040
a longer conversation with this. Uh, let's see. Uh, Truttle said would, uh, would that we lived in a
00:47:44.880
world where Joe Barry and Webin were allied. This is all tiresome and unnecessary. The declaration
00:47:50.240
guys should know better. Yeah. Again, I don't want to get into with things with Joel. Cause
00:47:54.960
that's another whole nother thing. Again, that's something I tried to resolve in private. And then,
00:47:59.360
you know, lies were told about me in public and I had no other option, but to address, uh,
00:48:04.320
blatant lies in public. If someone's going to lie about you in public on a repeated basis,
00:48:08.400
maliciously, there's just nothing you can do. Uh, but yes, I, I wish for in a world in which that was
00:48:14.080
not the behavior that was involved and instead reconciliation and figuring those things out
00:48:18.640
were the motivations. Uh, but, uh, unfortunately you cannot, you can alter people's motivations.
00:48:24.240
You, you should do your best inside. Uh, but if those efforts fail, uh, then, you know,
00:48:29.440
there's, there's a reason I just blocked Joel to move on. There's no, there's no
00:48:34.080
positive conversation that can come from someone who's going to misrepresent you that way. Um,
00:48:38.080
and unfortunately, uh, his interactions there, uh, spill over, I imagine to his interactions with
00:48:43.360
others as well. I'm, I doubt I'm the only person who he has told falsehoods about or been malicious
00:48:47.920
uh, towards, uh, let's see. Uh, Michael Robertson says, uh, how do you balance being respectful and
00:48:54.160
about disagreement with the upcoming battle with neocons and recently right-wing, uh, disaffected
00:48:58.560
leftists? Where's the line? Can we still bully James Lindsay? Uh, yeah. So I want to be clear.
00:49:03.680
This is not a declaration of like, you can just never, uh, criticize anybody or there's no
00:49:11.520
no lines of disagreement. Uh, and, and the, the, the truth is ultimately this comes down to, uh,
00:49:18.160
being, uh, you know, having prudence, uh, you, you need to be thoughtful, uh, and kind of, uh, judge
00:49:26.480
every, uh, interaction as much as possible. Uh, I do not consider neoconservatives, uh, to be on my side.
00:49:35.120
Um, they, they are technically, I guess somewhere right-wing, but most of them have moved left for a reason.
00:49:41.520
You know, most of the bulwark crew and, you know, uh, those guys are, are, you know,
00:49:46.560
doing election night, uh, stuff about how they're sad that Kamala Harris is losing because they
00:49:51.360
weren't right-wing. And as soon as the actual right-wing asserted itself, uh, they kind of
00:49:56.640
showed their true colors. The fact that James Lindsay regularly says the right is the real problem,
00:50:00.960
uh, and Christians are the real problem should probably clue you in. Like, it's kind of amazing
00:50:05.680
to me that he still shows up on conservative stuff and talks to pastors and stuff when he has made
00:50:10.720
it very clear that he thinks the right is the real problem and Christians are a problem. Like,
00:50:15.280
I don't know how he could have been more clear, but he continues to show up. So you're, you're,
00:50:19.280
it's correct to say, Hey, uh, there are some people who are often grouped by, uh, progressives into the
00:50:25.760
right because they disagree on certain issues, uh, with the radical left. Uh, you know, so can we not
00:50:32.160
point out criticisms with them? I still think it is more useful to build bridges there when you can.
00:50:38.080
So there, I just did a podcast today with two guys who are relatively left-wing, uh,
00:50:42.640
but they recognize the problems with the left wing and they're willing to have dialogues with
00:50:46.640
people who are not on the left, uh, to the extent that you could have those and be productive.
00:50:51.280
You should. Uh, but when you recognize, and this is really my line, this is the thing that will usually,
00:50:56.720
uh, kick it off right away. The minute I see somebody trying to exclude people to their right and say,
00:51:02.160
Hey, I'm like this 1990s Democrat. And that as far as the right can go, that's the minute I dropped
00:51:07.440
the hammer. Cause I know what, where that's leading. And so that, that personally for me tends to be
00:51:12.800
the thing that will bring it. And that's why I push against James Lindsay and other guys,
00:51:16.320
but to the degree I can build bridges. I do like, I've spoken with Peter Boghossian,
00:51:20.960
uh, you know, and you know, uh, we were supposed to talk more and then he didn't. So I'm not sure what's
00:51:25.440
going to go, you know, hopefully I can have another conversation with him, but another guy who's a
00:51:29.200
leftist, you know, uh, guys like, uh, Dave Smith, who are libertarians, who I disagree with on certain
00:51:35.120
things. I'm not against burning, you know, having these dialogues. I'm not for burning all these
00:51:39.920
bridges. Uh, you know, and, and I will certainly still, you know, talk about the problems with
00:51:45.600
classical liberalism and libertarianism, even though I'm in dialogues with these people. Uh, but I try to
00:51:51.280
keep things as open as possible for as long as they are possible. If it, if it just doesn't exist,
00:51:56.240
if that opportunity fails, then we move to a different mode of conversation. But to the extent
00:52:00.640
that I can, I try to keep that open. Uh, let's see here. Life of Brian says, good news is I'm
00:52:07.520
plugged in enough to know what the rope, what the rope woke right is, or rather is not, uh, is not,
00:52:14.960
and I have no clue what just happened. Yeah. Again, I really didn't want to talk about this specific
00:52:20.240
drama. That's why I didn't go into any of the details. My point was tactics. Okay. What is the
00:52:26.000
right way? What is the process we should be embracing? What is the way to think about
00:52:31.520
community interactions and correction? Not that we shouldn't have correction,
00:52:34.880
not that we can't have standards, not that we shouldn't have principles,
00:52:38.560
but how do we keep them our own? How do we keep them internal? How do we not embarrass ourselves
00:52:42.720
in public and make our movement look like a joke that should be nowhere near power? These are things
00:52:47.440
that people should think about before they, uh, have a good cry out in public, which a lot of people
00:52:52.320
are doing right now. Uh, that is the stuff I'm trying to discourage. Uh, let's see.
00:52:58.000
Uh, CB says, any thoughts on the effective way to disagree with our beloved electoral officials?
00:53:03.680
Can they respond to strongly worded letters from constituents is counter signaling,
00:53:08.640
signaling useful. So I've worked inside, uh, you know, the offices of politicians, and I will tell you
00:53:15.440
that, um, there's a certain level, uh, of popular opinion that can have an impact. There's a certain
00:53:22.880
level of letter writing or calling in that can impact a person's, uh, or representative of a
00:53:29.840
politician's stance on something, but it needs to usually be pretty extreme or it needs to be very
00:53:34.880
loud on an issue they don't really care about. So to give you an understanding of the dynamic,
00:53:39.040
if someone has received, I don't know, uh, a million dollars from a lobbying organization,
00:53:46.800
uh, supporting an issue that they care deeply about your phone call is very unlikely to change that.
00:53:52.960
Okay. However, if there's an issue that very few people care about and there's not a lot of external
00:53:59.200
pressure on it and you are the loudest person about it, you can have a significant impact. Or of course,
00:54:04.720
if you're a lobbying organization or you wield a lot of people, uh, then you can bring that
00:54:10.000
collective voice and, and make those inroads. So, uh, does the like call your congressman campaign
00:54:17.040
move everything? No, like they're probably if, if Raytheon, uh, and, uh, you know, um,
00:54:24.320
certain lobbying organizations from foreign powers have convinced them that war, uh, is, is profitable.
00:54:30.640
Then your phone call in and of itself is probably not moving, uh, the, the, the needle too far.
00:54:36.640
However, um, there, there are issues on which you can make significant progress by being the squeakiest
00:54:42.160
wheel, or you can collectivize enough to move things. But ultimately I find, um, that building
00:54:48.480
institutions is ultimately your best pressure mechanism. Uh, populism is great for a moment,
00:54:54.480
but the thing that retains power is institution and organization. So if you want to actually impact,
00:55:00.640
uh, politics be organized, uh, don't just be loud.
00:55:06.720
Uh, let's see here. 16th century normie. Uh, he says attempts to handle the original controversy
00:55:12.560
privately failed the declaration, uh, collaborators keep hunting Nazis. Uh, what do, what do when, uh,
00:55:20.560
allies, uh, repudiate netter? Yeah. Again, um, uh, I don't know every twist and turn of this. And so I
00:55:27.920
don't, I'm not going to pass, I've heard a lot of things, but I don't want to pass judgment again.
00:55:31.440
I don't want to know any of this. However, that said, um, ultimately I think that the appeals,
00:55:39.440
the declaration are trying to make are bad and they're transparently bad. And it's not that
00:55:44.560
everything in the declaration is wrong. And it's not even that every concern that people who made
00:55:48.320
the declaration have is wrong. Uh, but the way that is done about done, the way that was gone about
00:55:53.920
was very bad. I'm very disappointed in, uh, I lost respect, frankly, for people who are going about
00:56:02.000
doing things this way. Uh, and so, uh, how should you respond? I, if you are on the other side of
00:56:08.320
that, you should be gracious. Uh, you should be respectful, uh, because the behavior of the other
00:56:14.080
people is clear enough. Like they're kind of hanging themselves. So the only thing, you know, like,
00:56:21.760
you know, uh, you know, forgive and, and, you know, don't, you're not wrong. Don't, you know,
00:56:26.720
don't say you're wrong. Don't, you know, but, but, you know, forgive those, that person and be the
00:56:31.440
bigger man and show ultimately that your behavior is one, uh, that is made for leadership and one that
00:56:39.840
is morally upstanding and let, you know, that'd be a coal heaped upon the head of those that would,
00:56:44.400
that would kind of behave in a poor manner. Uh, I'm not saying bend the knee at all. I'm just saying,
00:56:50.640
um, you know, uh, act in a spirit of, uh, forgiveness act in a spirit of like, I don't
00:56:56.000
disagree. This is bad behavior, but ultimately I'm here to talk. I'm here to resolve this.
00:57:00.400
And you're, you're going to be the one that comes off looking like, you know, the, the,
00:57:04.560
you know, the, as they say, whenever there is an attempt to bring two people to the table
00:57:08.960
and one person will not come to the table and they are like publicly raging about why they won't
00:57:14.320
come to the table that kind of speaks for itself. So let it speak.
00:57:21.200
Uh, let's see here. Uh, cyber Chad says we need to lead our own people or the state will.
00:57:27.680
It's been, I've been thinking about this concept for a while. Excellent stream.
00:57:31.040
Thank you. Orin. Well, thank you, man. And yeah, I think it's really that simple.
00:57:34.320
Uh, do you want to be governed by the, this progressive secular humanism or don't you?
00:57:39.680
And if the answer is no, then you need to govern yourselves.
00:57:42.960
That means resolving conflicts yourselves. If you're appealing to a judge outside of you,
00:57:48.000
or if you are appealing to an authority outside of you, if you're appealing to sovereignty outside
00:57:51.920
of you, you are acknowledging its authority. And that is exactly what seems to be happening.
00:57:55.920
Uh, the, the Halloway bird says, isn't this more about inevitable divide over Christian Zionism
00:58:04.400
and boomers clinging to institutions? Uh, that's part of it to be sure. Um, you know,
00:58:09.840
I gotta say, uh, obviously there seems to be a certain level of overlap though. Not everybody
00:58:14.800
on the side of the declaration is a, is a declared Zionist. The, some of them have made that clear.
00:58:20.080
Um, ultimately that is a problem and a problem that has to be resolved. Uh, but, um, I don't
00:58:24.640
think that's the entirety of it. Uh, Paladin YYZ says I'm a little lost on why anybody is retreating
00:58:32.800
to anything at this stage. Trump is not, uh, in office. His cabinet picks have not yet been confirmed.
00:58:39.280
The Coliseum is filled with noise. Yeah. Again, this is, uh, one of the reasons I'm so disappointed
00:58:45.120
is there's so much more work to do and there's such a important work to do right now. And the fact that
00:58:51.760
this is the moment that again, not just this declaration, but all kinds of other stuff online,
00:58:56.640
I've seen the fact that it seems like it's circular, uh, firing squad season just is insane to me.
00:59:02.320
Like, this is the moment you need everybody on the line. This is the moment you need all the momentum.
00:59:07.360
This is the moment you need every soldier. And instead people are like, well,
00:59:10.240
what if we just stopped and shot each other? Seems very stupid. Uh, and then I think he,
00:59:16.560
yeah, he just sent the same one twice. Well, thank you very much. Sorry that, uh,
00:59:19.520
ended up getting said twice there, but I appreciate it. Uh,
00:59:24.800
blood-based says I'm slight, I'm slight to the right of Genghis Khan. So I can only punch
00:59:29.840
punch left again. Um, I don't think being to the right always makes you correct. Uh,
00:59:36.320
no enemies to the right. Uh, it was changed to no enemies on the right by Charles Haywood
00:59:42.640
to clarify this point. It's not that someone who claims to be the right is automatically correct.
00:59:47.680
It is simply the point that you should not be expending your energy on people who don't matter.
00:59:53.840
Look, however, you know, if you have a huge problem, if you're really terrified about the rise of
00:59:58.800
neo-Nazis or something that just doesn't exist because Nazism doesn't exist anymore. But if you're
01:00:04.160
really worried about that, you can be worried about that while not appealing to the left,
01:00:08.160
you can be worried about that. And you can counsel people away from that. And you can kind of distance
01:00:12.800
yourself from people engaged in that behavior without having to expend all of your energy,
01:00:18.960
fighting them and appealing to the standards of your enemies. Uh, sorry, but those people,
01:00:24.960
however dangerous you might feel that they might be, uh, have no power, like zero, none as where the
01:00:30.720
people who are actually giving custody, uh, to the state or to parents that want to mutilate their
01:00:36.800
children and denying it to people who don't, those are real, they have real power. They're affecting
01:00:41.360
people's lives right now. So again, not that you can't have standards, not that you can't correct
01:00:46.400
people who you think are incorrect, but if you were aiming all your firepower at powerless people,
01:00:52.240
instead of actual enemies who are actively hurting children in real life right now. And that's not
01:00:57.520
just that one issue. There are so many issues where this is the case. Like if all of your energy is
01:01:01.760
focused there on your own people who might be wrong on your own side, as opposed to people on the other
01:01:07.280
side who have real power, you have lost your mind and you have lost your priorities and you are just
01:01:11.680
making a fool of yourself. Uh, Paladin YYZ says, Twitter is good for your good morning metal
01:01:19.680
samples. If you've changed one life as a result, then it's all worth it. Well, I, I do my best.
01:01:24.880
I hope I have introduced you guys to some fun music. It's, that's just a thing I like to do on
01:01:29.520
Twitter and many people enjoy it. So I continue to do so. All right, guys, I'm going to go ahead
01:01:34.160
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01:02:03.840
Uh, attempt, attempt to heal these wounds. Come to the table. Uh, it's, it's foolish. Be wise. Do
01:02:09.440
not appeal to your enemies, uh, appeal to the community, strengthen each other, encourage each
01:02:14.880
other, disciple each other. Uh, do, do not throw your brothers to the wolves. Uh, that, that, that is
01:02:20.640
foolish. That is ugly. Uh, and it only ever ends poorly. Thank you for watching. And as always,