The Auron MacIntyre Show - Iconoclasm and Revolution ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee ｜ 11⧸1⧸23

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00:00:37.760 So, like many people, you probably saw the images of the statue of Robert E. Lee being melted down.

00:00:45.440 Of course, this was the statue that was famously at the center of the Charlottesville controversy.

00:00:51.260 A number of years ago, of course, there was this movement.

00:00:53.740 The idea that we would get rid of all of these Confederate statues. 0.99

00:00:57.640 And the argument being made by many, even, unfortunately, a lot of very stupid conservatives who were saying, 0.99

00:01:03.900 Oh, well, you know, we just moved these things to, you know, some kind of museum or something. 0.99

00:01:09.860 You know, it'll be honoring, you know, traders or that kind of thing.

00:01:13.300 And that's where it'll stop.

00:01:14.540 You know, once we get rid of all these Confederate monuments, that's where it will stop.

00:01:18.840 Of course, we have, we know a few years later, that was never where it was going to stop.

00:01:22.760 That should have been obvious to everybody, but there was this melting down of this statue.

00:01:27.120 And it felt kind of this, like this ritual destruction.

00:01:29.880 And I think that it's really important to take a minute and talk about what that destruction of the past means.

00:01:36.000 Joining me today to talk about that is the contributing editor over at IM 1776, Lafayette Lee.

00:01:42.080 Thanks for joining me, man.

00:01:43.620 Hey, thank you so much for having me on.

00:01:45.380 Absolutely. I know as a veteran and a man of the South, you have very many important things to say about this.

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00:03:33.140 All right, so Lafayette.

00:03:34.780 I think back to this time when the statues must fall movement was happening, right?

00:03:41.540 Where you had all of these Confederate statues that suddenly needed to be torn down,

00:03:47.220 anybody who had had any connection to slavery, anybody who had had any connection to the South,

00:03:51.760 anybody who had any connection to the Confederacy,

00:03:54.000 all of a sudden it became really important.

00:03:56.540 I think that this is when a lot of kind of that campus wokeness movement finally started moving into the real world.

00:04:04.200 It became really important for people to show up, protest, physically pull these statues down.

00:04:10.120 We saw a lot of that.

00:04:11.240 Of course, the biggest one, I think, was this moment around the statue of Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia, of course,

00:04:21.060 because this ended up creating a conflict.

00:04:24.500 They have this Unite the Right rally with a lot of guys who were part of what was known as the alt-right at the time.

00:04:30.060 There was kind of this conflict, the famous tiki torches.

00:04:34.080 Someone got run over, and so this was killed, tragically.

00:04:39.140 And so this became a big part of kind of this idea of wokeness versus, I guess, a reaction to it.

00:04:48.620 And this became a big flashpoint.

00:04:50.540 Now, a lot of people, myself included, made the argument that once you start destroying pieces of history,

00:04:56.840 it's not going to stop with the Confederates.

00:04:59.460 But there seemed like a lot of people who were very sure that that was the only thing that was going to happen.

00:05:03.680 What was your response when this movement kind of started way back?

00:05:06.720 And I think it was like around 2017.

00:05:09.720 Yeah, for me, I was still in the Army at the time.

00:05:13.220 And so I was watching this from afar.

00:05:16.040 I was really shocked by it.

00:05:17.320 I grew up in America where this issue of the war had really been settled.

00:05:25.760 I mean, this was reconciliation was the theme.

00:05:29.100 We were encouraged as children to show good citizenship, to consider that reconciliation as far, you know, hard won.

00:05:37.800 And that this was a lesson for us to learn from the heroism of men on both sides to be better Americans.

00:05:43.340 You know, this was the culture I came up in.

00:05:45.860 And I had family, obviously, that are involved with the conflict.

00:05:49.920 And so there's a level of personal history there.

00:05:52.360 So when this came on the scene, I had already kind of been out of the zeitgeist being in the military anyway.

00:05:59.360 But I was just really shocked by that.

00:06:01.200 It felt very anti-American to me at the time.

00:06:04.400 But I don't think it was a question for me is once I saw that happening, I knew that it was only a matter of time until this came for statues that were not just regional, but that they would be national figures as well.

00:06:17.980 So the kind of figures that all Americans would at least somewhat cherish, hope to cherish.

00:06:24.460 And sure enough, I mean, we saw that after this kind of started.

00:06:28.500 We've seen statues of Abraham Lincoln tore down.

00:06:31.660 We've seen statues of Thomas Jefferson removed.

00:06:35.520 We've seen statues of George Washington, the father of our country, being defaced.

00:06:39.820 And so as while it was something that did shock me at the time, once I saw this moving in the appetite for it among conservatives, that's when I just I kind of reconciled myself to the fact that unless we stop this, this will eventually come for everybody.

00:06:53.760 Yeah. And I remember specifically because I also have ancestors that go back to the Civil War in the United States.

00:07:01.120 And I remember specifically this is one of the big moments where I was red pilled on media because I was working as a reporter at the time and I was actually in a press gaggle with the governor of Florida, Rick Scott.

00:07:11.640 He's now the senator, but but he was the governor of Florida at the time.

00:07:14.920 And and, you know, the Charlottesville had happened and the media had twisted Trump's, you know, good people on both sides comment.

00:07:23.020 They still do that today.

00:07:24.900 And one of the reporters in the crowd, one of the female reporters next to me was trying to manipulate the governor's response in a way that made it sound like he was on the side of, you know, the people in Charlottesville who, you know, they were being vilified.

00:07:40.660 And he made it very clear that he was not supporting this.

00:07:43.460 That wasn't the case. But she kept just reframing the question, reframing the question over and over again until he finally forgot to repeat one part of the answer he had already given three or four times.

00:07:54.180 And she cut that soundbite completely made it sound like he did.

00:07:58.160 You know, he said something different. 0.62

00:07:59.580 The you know, the the story that we would say was, you know, the governor of Florida supports, you know, evil Nazis, whatever.

00:08:05.780 And all of a sudden, you know, that that was the news headline, of course, later they had to redact that there.

00:08:11.920 They had to retract that. But it was too late.

00:08:14.440 Of course, once the story's out, that becomes the story.

00:08:16.920 And she ended up getting, I think, promoted to like Politico.

00:08:20.160 So obviously this kind of thing works.

00:08:21.880 And that was really one of the things that opened my eyes to the way that that media can completely shape a narrative, you know, where they can completely lie.

00:08:29.360 They can completely bully.

00:08:30.300 You know, it's the governor of Florida can have his entire agenda, you know, hijacked by some random local reporter if they do their job right.

00:08:38.760 And kind of how that just shapes everything.

00:08:41.440 But but I think there's a couple of important issues to separate here, which, you know, first is going to be kind of the narrative around the Civil War that in many ways that this is this has become connected to.

00:08:53.660 And then also then the ongoing revolution and iconoclasm that we're seeing inside the United States.

00:09:00.300 So the first thing I wanted to get into, as you know, somebody who's from the South, we both are, and you're obviously a military man, you're a retired military man.

00:09:09.720 And when you look at the way that the Civil War is now approached by many people, like you like you were saying, when I grew up, the narrative behind the Civil War was, you know, there's two sides.

00:09:22.640 Obviously, you know, most people today recognize the evil of slavery.

00:09:26.620 That's a huge problem for many people who want to defend certain parts of the South.

00:09:31.620 But it was understood that there was a much wider conflict outside of slavery.

00:09:36.180 There are many other issues that were that were tied into this that had been around since basically the beginning of the country.

00:09:42.500 And that this was not the only, if not maybe even in some ways, the primary disagreement inside of the Civil War.

00:09:48.580 And so this was a disagreement between states that wanted to fundamentally live different ways of life.

00:09:55.560 They wanted different ways to organize the government.

00:09:57.620 They wanted different amounts of centralization, different foreign policies, different ways that they were going to interact.

00:10:04.360 And, you know, these were people who were deeply loyal to their states.

00:10:09.160 You know, guys like Robert E. Lee were known as deeply loyal to their states.

00:10:12.180 Of course, he was offered, you know, the generalship of the Union, and he refused it because of his home state being Virginia once he knew that they were going to join the Confederacy.

00:10:23.200 And so there were men who, whether they agreed or not with the particular policy stances on any given subject, had a home and a loyalty to their state first beyond their country, something that today is harder for people to understand, but was very common back then.

00:10:38.500 This is how we understood Robert E. Lee.

00:10:40.320 This is how we understood the conflict.

00:10:41.660 And it seems like all of that is gone now.

00:10:43.200 And it's just this Manichaean black and white.

00:10:45.580 One side was for slavery.

00:10:47.240 One side wasn't.

00:10:48.260 And that's the end of the show.

00:10:50.640 Absolutely.

00:10:51.460 It is a fascinating thing because it just it really shows the way in which Americans conceive of themselves and their country, how that's radically changed from the past.

00:11:01.520 I have friends.

00:11:02.740 We discuss the war all the time.

00:11:04.200 I don't do it as much on the timeline because it just invites a lot of radicalized, angry people, most of which don't have any history in this country, which is very strange to me.

00:11:15.860 But I think it speaks to the insanity of the moment we live in.

00:11:18.740 But, you know, the conception of who I am as an American, I mean, this was something that was even the foundation of the country.

00:11:26.700 We had two radically different civilizations growing out of the one union that was forged at the very beginning of the country's history.

00:11:34.260 And these people, whether they were in the North or the South, they identified very strongly with their place, their sense of who they were as a people with a shared cultural memory.

00:11:44.920 They had a sense of purpose.

00:11:46.540 They were connected to each other through obvious attachments of loyalties and obligations and things like that.

00:11:52.580 But it was a it was a very it was it was a society where the politics as we understand it, politics was a lot more on the ground sausage making.

00:12:03.560 This ideological component was was not something that was widely espoused by regular rank and file people.

00:12:10.640 And if you think about it, I mean, even in the South, there was variance between how people viewed secession.

00:12:17.920 The big question was secession.

00:12:19.460 Right. And Robert E. Lee famously was opposed to secession.

00:12:23.840 He actually didn't think that there was a right of Virginia to secede.

00:12:28.240 Now, people can use that and say that this makes him morally bankrupt.

00:12:31.540 But what that tells me is that they don't understand the period and the mindset at the time that even though Lee could consider secession not something that was codified into the law, that there was not any justification for it.

00:12:45.400 But Lee also felt that the higher law for him, the higher purpose was to protect his friends and neighbors at home.

00:12:52.360 And I think going back to that is when you hear people discuss this today, I don't actually think that they're offering any new perspective on the war itself.

00:13:02.920 They're really just speaking to the insanity of this moment that we live in when we have become completely divorced from we're disembodied from the places that we live in.

00:13:13.720 I mean, we're the most disconnected we've ever been.

00:13:15.860 And it makes it's really no question in my mind why we would have such a hard time understanding the past of a people so radically different from us. 0.97

00:13:24.560 Yeah, that's a lot of really great points.

00:13:26.660 So like the first one you brought up there was ideology and the way that politics has become so ideological.

00:13:32.480 As you as you pointed out, both the Republicans and Democrats, they had progressives, they had conservatives, they had reactionaries, they had moderates.

00:13:42.040 The politics of the time was far more regional.

00:13:45.160 It was far more interested, like you said, in getting things done, the sausage making.

00:13:49.140 You know, that was far more the focus on it.

00:13:52.100 It was a it was a focus on the people and the place and not so much the ideas that you're trying to advance.

00:13:57.240 And I think that's one of the many tragedies of people who describe the United States as an idea, right, this completely ideological nation, because it really disembodies people from the idea that there is a group, there's a place, there's a people and their lives matter.

00:14:14.120 It's not about whether your life conforms to a certain amount of ideological checklist that makes you an American.

00:14:19.440 It's whether you have a history and a culture that is shared with with the people and, you know, and in a in a over a period of time.

00:14:28.120 And the fact that that has that has been so disembodied from people makes it really easy for them to make these snap judgments, not understanding, like you said, what could be a higher order, a higher law.

00:14:39.140 Again, it's very hard for extremely ideological and rootless people to place themselves back into a past where people did not, you know, move across the country every five years for a new job or to go to college or, you know, meet their dates on the Internet.

00:14:55.820 Seven, seven states away.

00:14:57.260 They lived in towns and cities, everything they knew, everything that they were familiar with was grounded deeply in the soil, in the earth, in the area they lived, in the churches they went to, the civic organizations, the people they encountered there.

00:15:12.360 There wasn't this constant shifting.

00:15:14.320 You couldn't just check out of the area you're in and go play video games with friends online or watch TV shows from another country.

00:15:21.080 And so this is something where, like you said, your place was far more important than whether or not you happen to agree with whatever policies might be lined up under a specific political platform.

00:15:33.040 But that's so incredibly difficult for people to grasp anymore.

00:15:36.000 And that, again, also makes it really easy to villainize somebody like Robert E. Lee, who throughout history, American history, has been relatively venerated even by people who were in the Union, who were sympathetic to that cause, who were part of, you know, that victorious side.

00:15:54.760 You know, you look back and I think of movies like Gods and Generals or Gettysburg, where Confederate generals could regularly and soldiers could regularly be portrayed as good, honorable people fighting for a cause that they believed in.

00:16:09.740 And now if you try to do something like that today, it's like you're trying to say there's something good about Satan, right?

00:16:14.880 Like they just there's no way that kind of the modern progressive mind could understand that while you might disagree and I have somebody on the other side of a battle, there's there's still an honor that exists there.

00:16:27.360 And I think it's that dehumanization that happens when you make all conflicts ideological.

00:16:33.440 Absolutely.

00:16:34.300 This is a big problem, too, with I think you can always look at the way our society treats war now.

00:16:40.260 I mean, it's it's it's truly insane.

00:16:42.780 It's very difficult for me as somebody from the military to watch us again on the brink of more wars and and the way in which the public is digesting what is happening.

00:16:54.220 I mean, I've seen people cheering on videos like Americans, supposedly, you know, delighting in the fact that there are soldiers abroad on a side that they don't agree with or like that are being killed by drones,

00:17:07.480 making terrible comments, making terrible comments, but just very macabre kinds of things that they're saying about people that are giving their lives for for a cause or for an army that they were conscripted into.

00:17:17.900 You know, it's this real bloodthirsty component to being so detached from, you know, not just the consequences of war, but reality itself that they delight in the visceral nature of people killing each other.

00:17:33.300 War is a really unfortunate thing.

00:17:34.980 I mean, it's something that it's always going to be with us.

00:17:37.500 I don't like it.

00:17:38.460 I don't think it's something that I don't I think we all have to have that tragic perspective when we look at war as something inevitable that we have to prepare for, that we have to engage in.

00:17:49.320 But it's not something that we necessarily delight in the spilling of blood, especially innocent blood.

00:17:54.240 And but this is this is this is this is a very different culture today than I grew up in, where you could take a tragedy.

00:18:04.340 The Civil War was viewed as a tragedy.

00:18:07.300 Americans killing each other in the in the presence of slavery, a tragic thing.

00:18:13.160 It's a it's something that as as Americans that we are continually grappling with.

00:18:18.840 But what was the appropriate response to such a tragic thing that happened where brother was turned against brother, right, where people were dehumanized?

00:18:29.140 It was this hard won reconciliation.

00:18:32.640 Now, I I don't endorse everything that ever happened in the war.

00:18:35.780 I don't endorse everything happened.

00:18:38.580 You know, reconstruction.

00:18:39.420 That's a whole nother thing.

00:18:40.620 We can talk about that another day.

00:18:42.140 But the point is, is what we go home with is the idea that we can become one people again, that we don't kill each other again, that we can try to settle these difficult differences in other ways that don't require us killing one another.

00:18:57.640 I just why would we undo that?

00:18:59.940 We we we scratch that at our own peril.

00:19:02.940 And I just it's how juvenile our culture is today, how nihilistic it is that we have this us versus them in every conflict.

00:19:11.940 You know, we we get we basically we withdraw from Afghanistan.

00:19:15.300 It collapses before our eyes in 20 years.

00:19:17.880 And then without skipping a beat, we're back to beating the drums of war as if nothing ever happened, as if there's no consequence to this, as if this will never touch us and harm us.

00:19:27.740 And I just I see all of that wrapped up in this childish iconoclasm with with these statues, because, you know, what do we want to impart to future generations?

00:19:38.100 We aren't building statues to people that made the most cogent argument for against slavery.

00:19:42.980 We build statues to people that demonstrated courage and character on both sides of the equation.

00:19:47.940 And that's what we want our sons and daughters to emulate in the most trying, difficult situations when history comes to a head, when it's impossible to overcome the the fallen nature that we that we all have.

00:20:02.440 We want people to demonstrate courage and character.

00:20:06.100 And that's what those statues really are for the most part.

00:20:09.020 That's what they're trying to do.

00:20:10.140 Yeah, I think it's really important that that healing process that you're talking about, that restoration that was essential to America, you know, after after the Civil War, obviously Lincoln with Lincoln's death, the radical Republicans kind of take take the lead and reconstruction turns into a pretty brutal thing.

00:20:29.520 But it eventually becomes clear, like, if you want the nation to heal, you're going to need to find a way to honor the dead, you're going to need to find a way to reincorporate the South and, you know, the people there in into your nation in a way that makes them feel like they're still part of what's going on.

00:20:48.900 They're still valuable that you didn't need to fight.

00:20:51.720 There's a reason we didn't fight like a 50 year guerrilla war afterwards, you know, and that's because there is this effort to reach across the aisle and make Southerners part of the United States again.

00:21:03.040 And a big part of that was honoring the sacrifice of their dead, recognizing that these are people who had a difference with each other, but they were still honorable people.

00:21:11.060 They were still brothers at the end of the day.

00:21:12.600 They were they were returning to the fold and that that attitude of of honoring the brother returning to the fold rather than continuing that punitive action that was the initial impulse was really key to kind of blending the nation together.

00:21:27.360 Because, again, like we said, this was a conflict that had been brewing since the very beginning of the United States, that rift between kind of the Jeffersonian idea of the yeoman farmer and kind of the the the more federalist idea of the Bostonian merchant empire.

00:21:47.660 Those had always been at odds that that had the rural urban divide in the United States had always been a clash.

00:21:54.500 We didn't have royalty or aristocracy in the same way that other nations did.

00:22:00.460 But we had decided to do away with that.

00:22:02.220 But we but those fissures didn't go away.

00:22:04.520 We divided them almost in a civilizational way.

00:22:07.980 And so that that conflict was always there.

00:22:10.680 And when we were able to come back together, we were able to blend those ways of life back together in a way that allowed us to continue forward.

00:22:18.600 And I think one of the reasons we're seeing the the desire to destroy all of that history, destroy all that reconciliation, destroy that ability to meld those civilizations back together and to continue as as one people is that the left has once again decided that it's time to get rid of the Chuds. 1.00

00:22:36.780 It's time to reconstruct the South again. 0.94

00:22:39.520 It's time to purge out what was left of Red America. 1.00

00:22:42.100 I think that really is the reason we're seeing that fervor.

00:22:46.200 They've forgotten the lesson of what happens when you treat your fellow countrymen, even those who you might think of as those who who left the union or fought against you.

00:22:55.900 When you treat those who have been reintegrated back in your society in that way, you're going to open up very dangerous things. 0.99

00:23:03.520 And they've completely forgotten that lesson because they think they don't need to have it anymore.

00:23:07.100 And that really is worth just getting rid of these people once again.

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00:23:40.380 Absolutely.

00:23:43.940 It's interesting that we're on the precipice of war.

00:23:47.180 I mean, we don't know.

00:23:48.140 There could be something that kicks off way outside in Asia, too.

00:23:52.280 I mean, this could build into something incredibly difficult.

00:23:56.060 That any nation facing this would want to be 100% prepared, have the population ready to make a sacrifice, be able to work together, solve problems quickly.

00:24:07.220 And yet here we are at this late stage in this in this potential growing conflict.

00:24:13.440 And our economy as well has many problems.

00:24:17.960 I mean, you can go down the list of all the problems that the Americans are facing every day while we approach something like a potential global war.

00:24:28.120 And it's fascinating that this didn't just come about last year or the year before.

00:24:35.440 You know, this has been building for a very long time and we supposedly elect people that can guide us through challenging situations.

00:24:43.180 We have a giant bureaucracy that supposedly has expertise to prevent bad things from happening, to navigate through difficult things and foresee problems on the horizon.

00:24:54.500 All of these problems that we have endured these last three years, an open border with 10 million people crossing it, the collapse of Afghanistan, the war, you know, the invasion of Ukraine, all these things were events that could be foreseen on the horizon by even regular Americans.

00:25:14.220 And what, what do people that have power, what do people that have influence do, is they're spending time, like you said, beating up on Red America, finding villains and scapegoats. 0.55

00:25:27.260 It just, it tells me that there is no vision at the top.

00:25:31.620 There's really no sense of, there's not a sense of nation.

00:25:34.740 And that's why when people use insult, these dead men who've been dead for 160 years, you know, they call them traitors.

00:25:42.940 It's kind of laughable because it's just by their actions, these people do not show a sense of national belonging, that they belong to a nation where they would be willing to sacrifice for their countrymen for the simple fact that they are their countrymen with baggage and all.

00:25:57.800 But it just shows how unserious our ruling class is, that they would spend so much of this time in a punitive manner going after Trump and his people while we're just slowly drifting towards a potential global war and economic depression.

00:26:14.500 Yeah, I'm 100% with you.

00:26:16.720 I've made this case so many times.

00:26:17.960 There's, there's nobody at the helm.

00:26:19.320 Everybody wants to believe that there's this cabal of people, this, you know, that, that are steering everything. 0.99

00:26:24.980 And don't get me wrong, obviously our elites collude to do many very stupid things.

00:26:28.840 But the idea that there's an overall plan to this, I think is really just knocked off its pedestal by kind of what you're explaining now. 0.90

00:26:35.580 I've got this ongoing bet with my friend, academic agent, on whether the woke will, will be put away by a more competent set of kind of evil leftist elites, or whether the woke will actually put those, you know, quieter voices away, those more competent voices away.

00:26:53.860 And it will kind of rise to the top and his bet had always been, especially kind of with what has happened with Israel and everything.

00:27:00.020 He's like, Oh no, they're going to put this away and it's going to be okay.

00:27:03.180 We got to get those Appalachian boys, you know, back into the saddle. 1.00

00:27:06.540 So we'll, we'll use this as the excuse to put the woke away and then we'll get them on board with the new war and, and they'll go back. 0.94

00:27:13.040 And, and I think it's slowly dawning on him that no, like there is no plan.

00:27:18.020 Like as terrifying as it is, like these people really are incompetent and they really are going to try to start.

00:27:23.860 Multi front wars, you know, like multiple possible global wars with, while also deriding and destroying like the very people who are the, the core of their combat arms.

00:27:34.400 I mean, I feel like we talk about this every time you come on, but only because it's incredibly relevant and no one seems to care.

00:27:39.320 Like our government is absolutely destroying their base of combat armed soldiers.

00:27:44.580 They're actually destroying their ability to recruit these people who have fought in the vast majority of frontline units that are the most competent fighters.

00:27:53.040 They have destroyed their ability to recruit these people.

00:27:56.260 And yet they seem to be driving as hard as possible into wars where they will need as many of these people as they can get.

00:28:02.280 But that self-destructive nature just doesn't seem to be able to stop themselves.

00:28:05.240 They hate the people who they need to fight the wars, but they want to fight the wars simultaneously.

00:28:09.380 And the fact that these two things are bouncing off each other just doesn't seem to impact their movements at all.

00:28:15.420 Yeah, it really doesn't.

00:28:16.200 And you're right.

00:28:16.800 I mean, this is the even, and this is where, you know, they might marginalize the South and they've been doing that for a long time.

00:28:23.120 And the South has been the scapegoat for the progressive from, you know, day one, but they're, they're tearing.

00:28:29.580 Now they've, they're eating into the fabric of American, you know, American post-reconciliation symbols and the kind of, the kind of thing that would resonate with everyone, right?

00:28:42.320 Like George Washington, Northern Southerner usually has an amount of respect.

00:28:46.420 And, and, you know, I would not surprise me to see, you know, the George Washingtons and Thomas Jeffersons meet the same fate.

00:28:52.660 And, and it just shows that the movement in this direction, you're exactly right.

00:28:57.560 It's, it's not just going to alienate Southerners.

00:29:00.040 It's going to alienate people that have a sense of connection to this country for the right reasons, right?

00:29:06.020 The things that we talked about, that you belong to this place, you have a history here, you love it because it is part of you.

00:29:12.980 And they're going to have to outsource that to somebody who will, will be willing to do whatever it takes, you know, maybe, maybe for the benefits or maybe even somebody who has no history here in the United States.

00:29:24.800 I've heard it been floated of having, of bringing immigrants in.

00:29:28.620 And I, I did, even in the military, I did serve alongside some people that were immigrants and hoping to get citizenship or had gotten citizenship through the process.

00:29:37.140 But I mean, you can't fight wars.

00:29:40.220 I mean, it's just a history, just timeless lesson.

00:29:43.980 You cannot just win big conflicts like this where the entire societies are mobilized.

00:29:49.840 You can't win that with a mercenary army.

00:29:51.680 You can't win that with bureaucrats.

00:29:53.340 And that seems to be them doubling down.

00:29:56.280 I really don't, I've, I think academic agents incredibly insightful, but I have to agree with you.

00:30:03.180 I just do not see this as having a grand plan or even them being able to pull out from this.

00:30:09.480 Most of us, you know, military, when you recruit, you're, you're looking for military families.

00:30:14.040 That's your, it's really like the most lucrative place to go is go find a family where somebody has history, where their dad or, you know, grandfather or whatever served in the military.

00:30:22.580 Um, I, I just, and this is anecdotal.

00:30:26.040 Almost every soldier I know from my time in is, is telling their sons and daughters to hold off on joining the military.

00:30:34.180 I just, and that damage that's been done, I think, um, and this is what they always fail to account for is that every kind of, of thing that is done, every action by this regime is going to create a reaction.

00:30:46.600 It doesn't always manifest itself immediately, you know, but the, this erosion of trust, which is very important for a society to function well, uh, they, they are not restoring that trust anywhere.

00:30:58.400 Right.

00:30:58.920 And so the more that they do this, the more that like, they can't necessarily count on the Appalachian types coming back in, they can't really count on even maybe patriotic Americans in California from wanting to join.

00:31:12.700 When joining means you're joining with a regime that tears down the statues of its own founders, you know, it's incoherent and nobody wants to put their lives in the hands of something.

00:31:22.580 So incoherent.

00:31:23.520 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's amazing.

00:31:26.260 Nobody wants to die for an economic zone, but they seem just, you know, determined to turn America into that.

00:31:32.000 As you pointed out, you know, the mercenaries, it's always a terrible plan.

00:31:36.380 Rome beats Carthage every time.

00:31:38.480 And that's really the problem that, that you have.

00:31:41.360 Yeah.

00:31:41.620 You can say, well, we're going to promise a bunch of people citizenship and that'll fill the ranks.

00:31:46.420 Yes.

00:31:46.820 That's been a longstanding program.

00:31:48.520 Yes.

00:31:48.800 There are, there are patriotic people who have done this and have served honorably and become citizens.

00:31:53.520 But you cannot turn the entire force into this.

00:31:56.480 That's, that's not going to happen.

00:31:58.200 You know, I have not served, but most of my friends, a lot of my friends are, you know, they're either, you know, military servicemen or police or, you know, all of these kind of core rough and ready guys who, who make a, a society function.

00:32:10.120 And almost uniformly, they're all saying, I'm out.

00:32:12.400 Oh yeah, I'm done.

00:32:13.080 I'm not, I'm not going back.

00:32:14.640 I'm not policing that neighborhood.

00:32:15.880 I'm not going to do that next to our duty.

00:32:18.460 It's just not worth it.

00:32:19.620 You know, I'm, I'm going to, I'm not going to be a martyr for this because that, you know, I'm, I'm working for a government that's looking to destroy me and my family.

00:32:26.320 And, um, you know, I, it's, why would I want to join up and put a target on my back 24 seven?

00:32:30.500 Cause I know that's all that's going to happen while I'm working as a police officer.

00:32:33.880 I'm working as a, as a, you know, military operator.

00:32:37.280 And so it's, it's just a scenario where they, again, it just seems to be no understanding of that, but, but along with that incompetence, which I think we've, we've sufficiently identified.

00:32:46.660 I wanted to talk about the iconoclasm and, and its role in a revolution, because it seems like we're very key in that.

00:32:54.520 Again, we talked about how this, this started with Confederate generals, again, even conservative commentators.

00:33:01.180 And then, you know, people like Nikki Haley, you know, just talking about, Oh, we get rid of these symbols.

00:33:07.240 We, you know, just put them in a museum.

00:33:08.780 We don't, we don't want these traitors.

00:33:10.620 And, you know, like all these people who are supposed to be on the right, supposed to be conservatives, not realizing where this would go, not understanding that it would not stop with these people.

00:33:20.260 And I, this, honestly, this is a problem.

00:33:22.260 And I, this is a real issue.

00:33:23.740 Uh, you know, I'll, you know, it's a little inside baseball here, I guess guys, like you should not have a conservative commentariat.

00:33:30.120 That is almost entirely assembled of people from coastal elite cities.

00:33:34.280 Like, sorry, like if you, you should not have all of the voices from your movement, be from the places that hate you because they don't get it.

00:33:42.340 Like they're not linked to this history.

00:33:43.960 They don't understand this in a real way.

00:33:46.120 There's a reason you need voices for that are actually representing from the places, uh, you know, that, that, that are tied to this history because they can say, Oh, you're conservative.

00:33:55.660 You can say you're Republican, whatever.

00:33:57.100 Or, but if you're not actually tied to any of this stuff, if none of this means anything to you, you don't have family members who've served.

00:34:02.560 If you don't have a family stretching back to the civil war, you're not going to get any of this.

00:34:05.760 This isn't going to make sense to you.

00:34:07.040 And so you'll just, you'll fold on these issues.

00:34:09.100 And so that's really important to have, you know, that, that kind of tie.

00:34:13.140 But, but in, in general, there was this complete failure of understanding that this iconoclasm was going to occur, right?

00:34:20.740 That this was going to be, this was not stopped with the statues of people like Robert E. Lee, but it would continue on.

00:34:27.360 And the amazing thing I think about this, this instance was the haunting image of Lee being melted down, right?

00:34:33.860 Like originally people said, Oh, well, we're just put these statues into, you know, into museums somewhere though, or they'll go to monuments specifically honoring Confederates somewhere off in the distance.

00:34:45.860 They won't be part of kind of the national conversation, but that was always a lie.

00:34:49.580 And this was completely destroyed.

00:34:51.480 It was supposed to go to a black history museum to be melted down. 0.94

00:34:54.220 And then there was a lawsuit that blocked it and then museum just went ahead and did it anyway in secret and filmed it so they could try to insult people.

00:35:01.680 But I feel like in a way it kind of galvanized people.

00:35:04.860 You saw that history being melted down.

00:35:06.740 You saw that face glowing, you know, the hot metal.

00:35:10.040 And, you know, it was almost like this ritual sacrifice, but there was still something alive, even as they, they tried to destroy it.

00:35:17.300 And I think that really kind of speaks to what's happening so much in our country today.

00:35:21.380 No, absolutely.

00:35:24.280 And the imagery was, was definitely deliberate, right?

00:35:28.740 Interesting in secret, as you brought up, you know, that they would have a, they would film this, there would be a Washington Post piece to come out.

00:35:35.940 The language that they review that they used in the article really sounds like this is a ceremony.

00:35:41.620 The way that it's described a lot of, a lot of description of, of, you know, what it looked like to have the, the, the wax melt and the colors of the flame.

00:35:50.900 And, and that's even mentioned in there by one of the spectators and one of the reason, one of the ringleaders of, of destroying the statue, that it felt like a public execution.

00:35:59.840 And, and, you know, this is deliberate.

00:36:01.360 And I think people reacted this way because they, they went with their gut instinct, which is, is the most truthful in a situation like this.

00:36:08.400 And they saw what this meant.

00:36:09.820 You know, this was really the, this revolution we talk about bearing its teeth against, against their, you know, their, their enemies who they view as counter revolutionaries.

00:36:20.640 And it's just, it's difficult.

00:36:23.840 It was difficult to see, you know, I've, I mentioned before, I, I, I'm not like a direct descendant of Robert E. Lee.

00:36:29.940 I'm a, I'm a cousin though, of him and George Washington.

00:36:33.260 And so in, within my family, within our own small family, cultural memory, we identify a lot with both characters, right?

00:36:40.020 Both figures.

00:36:40.680 I have a lot of respect for both for different reasons.

00:36:45.100 And that felt very personal to me.

00:36:47.940 And I think most people that viewed this felt it very personal as well, which was exactly the message that was want, that they were wanting to send.

00:36:56.660 And that kind of brings up the question itself, then why would they want people to feel this way?

00:37:03.060 And I, and I think it was just a very honest expression of what this revolution pretends to do.

00:37:08.140 I've been mocked and ridiculed a lot by, I used to, I don't, I don't, I don't say it this much anymore, but, you know, in the past when you would see these mobs attacking professors,

00:37:17.300 or you'd have them tearing down statues and monuments, you know, the BLM riots, good example.

00:37:23.500 I would always try to link that this will turn into violence, like real violence.

00:37:27.580 I'm not talking about people getting assaulted alone or just a destruction of property.

00:37:32.680 This will turn into a full scale violence.

00:37:35.740 We've seen this over and over in the past.

00:37:37.600 You know, people have tried to, those who are more, too cowardly to speak out against this will say things like this reminds them of pulling down Saddam's statue,

00:37:47.460 or this reminds them of pulling down King George's statue at the beginning of the revolution.

00:37:52.340 And this really kind of just fails to, to speak to what is the nature of this revolution.

00:37:58.280 The last time we really saw this kind of visceral type of imagery are in movements that always resulted in bloodshed throughout the 20th century.

00:38:06.820 In more recent years in the Middle East, this was meant to demoralize.

00:38:11.860 It was telegraphing intentions. 0.99

00:38:14.040 And I think that, I do think that there's a lot of senseless, imbecilic people on the left who delight in this. 0.99

00:38:21.800 They want to bring pain to other, to their supposed enemies. 0.99

00:38:26.100 But I think the impetus of this revolution does have violence in mind.

00:38:30.780 And I think that's why conservatives have really done a great disservice.

00:38:35.040 The conservative movement, I blame the conservative movement more than I even blame the revolutionary left for what is happening.

00:38:41.940 Because this really couldn't have happened without the conservative movement continually opening up the door to these forces for not being serious about the ideals and principles they supposedly have.

00:38:54.840 Because if you hold principles and ideals where you truly do value courage and character, you don't, you wouldn't want to see a statue torn down to somebody who is, who demonstrated great courage and character.

00:39:06.320 It's very simple.

00:39:07.120 But they, but the conservative movement in a lot of ways really kind of started the cancellation that we see in the culture today.

00:39:15.320 And so it was almost a matter of time until the conservative movement would make peace with the cancellation and iconoclasm of the left.

00:39:23.400 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:39:24.460 And sadly, that is, especially at least in the mainstream conservative movement's most important purpose is to facilitate this kind of ratcheting effect, right?

00:39:34.660 We think that it's the radical left that's the problem.

00:39:37.600 And of course, they are a huge problem.

00:39:39.480 But it's the rights, you know, the leadership class of the rights willingness to, you know, give way on critical things.

00:39:47.240 Anybody who knew what was going on here, anybody who observed how these revolutions work understood that it was never about the Confederate statues.

00:39:54.580 I think it was Elon Musk commented something like, you know, they, they want your destruction or they want, they want you dead under kind of this melting down of Robert E. Lee.

00:40:03.360 And that's because Elon Musk knows what's happening here.

00:40:06.060 You can see he lives in a country where this kind of thing is called for on a regular basis.

00:40:10.860 He knows that's where the, the, the, the roads must fall movement began was in South Africa.

00:40:15.260 He knows where this leads. He knows the consequences.

00:40:18.120 He understands what this means.

00:40:20.320 But, you know, the, the conservative kind of punditry or the conservative political class, their job is to kind of sit there and make sure that the frog doesn't notice that the water is boiling.

00:40:31.780 And so, hey, you know, there, there's probably some compromise here.

00:40:34.980 There's probably some, there's probably some legitimacy here.

00:40:37.520 And it's really about finding a center.

00:40:38.940 No, there's no center to these people want to destroy you in your way of life.

00:40:42.820 And we can see this with how petty the revolution gets.

00:40:45.380 It came out today, the Washington Post, that dozens of birds are being renamed by the American orthological society because they're named after racists.

00:40:56.880 And so, like, we need to go back and we have to, like, this is just an incredibly petty thing of renaming individual bird species because there might be somewhere, you know, somebody who had a connection or said something racist in the past.

00:41:09.840 And so, they have to be purged from the historical record.

00:41:12.800 And this is really, this is what you do to people you want to erase.

00:41:16.240 And that might start ideologically, but it never ends there.

00:41:19.980 And I think, like you said, the people should be very aware of where these kind of actions lead because, you know, no one who is erasing your past is expecting you to be around in the next 20 years.

00:41:31.260 Exactly. I don't think it's any accident that we're seeing we're seeing threats of violence and violent demonstrations at universities today.

00:41:41.020 And it might be a different target, but the reason why that target is now placed there isn't just because of Israel and the war.

00:41:50.020 I mean, let's be honest.

00:41:52.080 We know how this revolution works.

00:41:53.760 We know how revolutionists think.

00:41:55.360 They've eaten their way through the old enemy and they're moving on to a new one and then they will move on to another after that.

00:42:04.360 And this will not stop until it is stopped, directly stopped.

00:42:09.020 And I think that that's really where we need to, I think we need to think about this.

00:42:15.080 And I think, I think that one of the reasons why conservatives haven't been able to conserve this is, first of all, they don't, I don't think they've been able to reconcile the fact that the left has very violent pathological tendencies.

00:42:27.020 And that's becoming more clear now, thankfully.

00:42:29.640 But the other side of it is, why don't we build statues anymore?

00:42:34.740 Why don't we do things that would try to instill the same kind of values and beliefs and ethos in our young that prior generations took so much time and care to do?

00:42:46.720 And I think that's kind of the other side of the coin that gets missed, is we wonder why we can't save statues.

00:42:53.300 And I am one of those people who always wants to preserve what we've been given.

00:42:57.600 Um, but I also understand that it seems purposeless and it seems, it seems pointless and we feel exhausted and tired in trying to mount these campaigns to always have to save things.

00:43:10.700 And I think that speaks to how aimless we have become.

00:43:14.720 Um, I think we're seeing good things on the right, but at the same time, there is a real exhaustion.

00:43:20.900 And the exhaustion, I think, comes from the fact that we've been so disconnected from our place, our place in the physical world, but that comes along with our place in history.

00:43:31.120 And when we lose that, it makes it so that we don't create anything new, that the things that those statues are trying to impart to us have been lost to us.

00:43:40.920 So they're just statues now.

00:43:42.800 And while we might have an attachment because it's history, that's how usually people on the right will talk about it, destroying history.

00:43:48.940 But it wasn't really just the history, right?

00:43:51.880 Robert E. Lee was a good man.

00:43:53.500 He was a Christian man.

00:43:54.620 He was somebody who stood up for his friends and he, and he, he, he became part of a very tragic experience.

00:44:01.240 But instead of allowing a guerrilla campaign or what, he promoted peace and reconciliation, as we all know, right?

00:44:08.800 But we don't seem to actually value the things that are underlying the statues.

00:44:13.820 And I, I really don't believe we'll be able to save anything until that part of the puzzle is placed back and it's where it belongs.

00:44:22.540 I think that's a really good point.

00:44:24.020 And something that, again, I think a lot of conservatives don't want to hear.

00:44:27.080 But yeah, the only way out is through, guys.

00:44:28.760 Like, we are, we have kind of exhausted the metaphysical spirit that came just from men like Robert E.

00:44:37.000 It simply isn't there anymore.

00:44:38.460 If it was, then he would have been, then his symbol would have been protected.

00:44:42.060 His statue would have been protected.

00:44:43.920 And the loss of that is tragic, but it also teaches us, I think, something important, that that must be renewed.

00:44:50.220 That those, that history can only be carried forward in a living manner by, by, with a vitality and a people who have a vision and are building something and doing something important. 0.97

00:45:30.320 We're just hugging that looked like a, like a, yeah, crap, basically.

00:45:34.900 Like, I don't know if you remember that, but like, that's all we build anymore. 0.82

00:45:37.680 We don't have that kind of necessary vision as a people, a vitality of people.

00:45:43.260 And I think there are many reasons for that.

00:45:44.880 Number one is we simply don't cohere as a people anymore because we don't, we don't, our borders aren't under control.

00:45:50.740 We have a constant influx.

00:45:52.260 We need a genesis of a culture once again, and that requires a static group of people who can forge a future together.

00:45:59.520 But it also means refinding spirituality, a core Christian identity.

00:46:04.220 Lots of things are essential to this.

00:46:06.380 But none of that, like you said, none of that history can truly be protected and honored until you have a vital force that's willing to take it and carry it into the next generation.

00:46:16.340 And as a people who are now increasing, looking like they're not even interested in having a next generation, it's hard to do anything but have these weak rear guard actions where you watch these kind of, this iconoclasm consume what was left.

00:46:29.320 That's exactly right.

00:46:30.560 I think that's the big, that's the big lesson for us is we, we, we saw the, they, the revolution board, board's teeth.

00:46:38.440 Again, we saw it.

00:46:39.520 We know exactly what their intentions are.

00:46:41.820 We don't want this for ourselves and we don't want this for our posterity.

00:46:46.340 I think if we extend our vision a little bit on not just, you know, what do we do about the statues now, which I believe we need to protect, but, you know, absolutely.

00:46:57.480 But what will this country look like in 10, 20, 30, 100 years?

00:47:03.440 Where will all this, our descendants be, our grandchildren, our great-grandchildren?

00:47:07.180 That's the perspective of the people that, that did those things to be immortalized.

00:47:12.460 That's the perspective of the people who put those statues up for their descendants.

00:47:16.340 To honor their ancestors, to honor the qualities that they exhibited in life.

00:47:22.960 I, I think we need to remember who we are as a people.

00:47:28.140 Things have changed a lot.

00:47:29.740 So we're not the same people in many ways.

00:47:32.380 I think that's abundantly clear, but we are a people.

00:47:35.220 And I think recovering what that is, is, is paramount.

00:47:38.040 And after that, it is to build something worthy of our descendants to make those sacrifices for them.

00:47:46.360 And I think that that is the kind of lesson.

00:47:48.600 I, I say this because there's a lot of despair and.

00:47:51.460 And I feel it too, especially in places like down here, you know, where, where this is, this is being constantly turned into a cartoon and destroyed and attacked.

00:48:02.820 Um, but in reality, like where, what the best thing we could do to honor the people who came before us, the best thing that we could do for our descendants.

00:48:12.160 Is to try to rise to the occasion, to grapple with these tough issues that we're talking about right now.

00:48:17.680 Um, and then move forward, uh, try to, I mean, really when the, it has become successful, we will have another reconciliation.

00:48:25.940 Um, where our goal is not just our goal, really, it's not the same as the revolutionary left.

00:48:30.980 Our goal is not to spill their blood in the streets and get rid of them. 0.60

00:48:34.000 Our goal is to build, it's to re, it's to restore order to the society so that this society works in harmony once again.

00:48:42.680 And I think that is, that is the lesson I want to take away from these statues coming down.

00:48:47.880 I want to save what we have, but I also want to use this to move somewhere better in the future.

00:48:54.340 Absolutely.

00:48:55.060 All right, guys.

00:48:55.740 Well, we're going to go ahead and switch over to the questions of the people.

00:48:58.460 But before we do that, Lafayette, is there anything coming out from you or I am seeing, I am 1776.

00:49:04.000 Or anything that the audience should check out before we go to their questions?

00:49:07.680 Yeah, real quick.

00:49:08.500 I am has a new edition coming out about counter-revolution.

00:49:12.100 We have some dialogues in there with some people that y'all might know.

00:49:15.920 On my, on my end, I'm still in the Apocalypse Now series.

00:49:19.140 I have a piece coming out about the CIA and Mac v. Sog over in Vietnam.

00:49:24.460 It might interest those of you who are interested kind of in the dark arts of the Vietnam War.

00:49:28.320 That's all I got.

00:49:29.560 Excellent.

00:49:30.340 All right, let's go to the questions of the people.

00:49:33.180 Let's see.

00:49:34.080 Tom here for five pounds.

00:49:35.820 Thank you very much, man.

00:49:36.900 Appreciate your support.

00:49:39.140 Florida Henry here for $10.

00:49:41.060 I have not heard anyone in the real world talk about civil war or any history in years, maybe a decade.

00:49:46.660 Yeah, I guess it's weird for me because my, like, normie job was a history teacher.

00:49:51.700 So I taught, you know, history, talked about it more often than most.

00:49:56.460 But yeah, in casual conversation, if that's not something you're tied to on a regular basis, you're probably right.

00:50:02.640 You can probably go a decade or more without hearing it, which just kind of tells you kind of where we are as a people right now.

00:50:09.280 George W.

00:50:12.340 Hey, Duke for $2.

00:50:13.880 Men today can't understand the honorable adversary.

00:50:17.440 Yeah, this is really important.

00:50:18.660 I was going to say this before Lafayette touched on it, but Carl Schmitt predicted this.

00:50:24.000 He said, you know, people who invoke humanity are pretty much removing the idea of the honorable opponent.

00:50:31.620 So today everything is for democracy or for human rights.

00:50:36.020 And so because you're invoking humanity, well, anyone who's against what you're doing has to be not human, right?

00:50:41.820 They have to be subhuman.

00:50:42.880 You're on the side of humanity.

00:50:44.660 So if they're on the other side, they must be on team not humanity.

00:50:47.940 And therefore anything is justified, everything goes.

00:50:50.200 And so every conflict is existential.

00:50:52.220 Every conflict is a war of the human, the worthy, the thing that matters against things that are non-human and therefore can be treated in any way imaginable.

00:50:59.840 And I think this has destroyed the idea that you can ever have a legitimate opposition because everything that opposes you is against humanity itself.

00:51:09.120 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:51:10.520 I think honor is one of those things that we need to recapture.

00:51:14.400 The visceral nature of war that we spoke about earlier, do we want, like we talk about war crimes all the time and use it flippantly.

00:51:21.480 But, you know, if you have a mutual understanding of honor between the two combatants, who do you think will protect the other against war crimes?

00:51:30.180 I mean, these have practical real world situations that we will find ourselves in.

00:51:35.340 And this revolutionary project will cause more of those kinds of things to happen, not less.

00:51:41.540 Let's see, Raul McNuggan is here for $20.

00:51:47.040 It's impossible to distinguish policy and narrative from the global American empire's ruling class from foreign destabilizing operations.

00:51:54.020 The more that the GAA declines, the more insults and more will be directed at what came before.

00:52:00.300 Yeah, I think we were kind of seeing conquest third law there, right, that the operation of a bureaucratic entity looks about the same as if it was being run by a cabal of its enemies.

00:52:12.660 The more the ruling class's interests are completely misaligned with the rest of the nation,

00:52:19.380 the more it looks like they're just actively taking the actions that a foreign agent would do.

00:52:26.040 I don't think that's the case in general.

00:52:28.460 I don't think there's some cabal of enemies from foreign nations creating this outcome.

00:52:33.380 I think it's just genuinely a ruling class that has become so insulated from the impact of their decisions

00:52:40.400 and so separated from the concerns of the average person that they now make decisions that constantly look hostile to the average person.

00:52:49.660 Yeah, and really it just shows where the biggest problem is, is going to be in the heartland against the project that they have globally.

00:52:57.000 Absolutely.

00:52:57.360 Creepier, we are here for five dollars. 0.99

00:52:59.800 No young man, you will DEI for the the corporal gay flag. 1.00

00:53:04.220 You will fight for you will fight for a family nation or God, not for Funko Pops.

00:53:10.700 Yeah, again, just that that disconnect, that idea that you should fight for a economic zone is that mercenary can only last so long, right?

00:53:19.380 They might hang around for the benefits.

00:53:20.680 They might win you a few battles, but when it comes, you know, crunch time, when things really hit the fan, you simply are not going to win incredibly difficult conflicts like the one America seems to be trying to spark with a bunch of people who don't have long term historical ties to the nation.

00:53:37.800 Tim Miller here for one ninety nine paper Americans hate Confederates more than Northeastern ones.

00:53:44.720 Yeah, I mean, again, I mean, if you remember the history of the Civil War, literally you had Irish people landing in the United States, getting their citizenship, handed a rifle and then turned south.

00:53:55.340 So there's a long history of kind of, you know, fresh Americans in the Civil War and being turned against the Confederacy.

00:54:04.640 But, yeah, I think you're right that the people who are even the further people are removed from kind of the history of the United States, the more they demonize the Confederacy, that ironically, the people who are related to those who would have fought the Confederacy are for more understanding and forgiving of that situation, far more respectful than those who have zero historical connection to that.

00:54:24.900 I think Lafayette touched on that as well. Just the just it seems like the people who are least connected, the newest Americans are most hostile to the idea of the South.

00:54:34.400 Yeah, I've always thought that maybe that might be because there's this there are two cultures in America that's your culture of your place, which is truly more American.

00:54:42.620 And then there's the mass culture that you that might have now is standing in for a civic culture that we used to have. Right.

00:54:49.640 And so I think a lot of people that are fairly new don't have a lot of history here.

00:54:54.480 They can only really understand one of those. They latch on to it.

00:54:57.840 And at times I sometimes wonder if it's to kind of feel more American or prove their Americanness because they just are divorced from that sense of place in history.

00:55:08.820 Mint 20 here for $10 for all Americans of European descent and many other heritages.

00:55:13.120 The important rule to remember is that we are under a hostile occupation.

00:55:15.620 This is just the latest proof. Well, like I said, I don't think that there's an active conspiracy or occupation, but I do think it feels that way.

00:55:23.500 But again, because of the incentive structure that our country has adopted, that our ruling elites have adopted.

00:55:28.880 I actually have a piece out today should be on the Blaze site.

00:55:32.840 And but guys, by the way, go check out the new Blaze site.

00:55:35.500 They got rid of all of the ads. It's now completely supported by people like you.

00:55:39.660 It's awesome because you don't have we don't have to worry about big tech censoring things anymore.

00:55:42.840 They can't demonetize things because we've removed the monetization aspect.

00:55:47.500 That's not something that you have to worry about.

00:55:49.280 And you should go check out the site because it allows them to run pieces like mine.

00:55:54.060 And today I should have a piece coming out explaining this separation, this this kind of principal actor problem that that, you know,

00:56:01.760 incentivizes our ruling elite to have an entirely different direction,

00:56:05.720 to have internal political squabbles being far more important than the well-being of people.

00:56:09.900 And that really can feel like the occupation that you're talking about there, man.

00:56:13.980 David, sorry, Tavares, probably for 10 euros.

00:56:18.440 Thank you.

00:56:19.160 In Latin America, we despise traders more than the oppressors themselves.

00:56:23.200 What I see now that I live in the first world is really a high level of tolerance for traders.

00:56:28.400 I don't understand it.

00:56:29.500 Yeah, no, that's a really good point.

00:56:31.420 Actually, I think there is this.

00:56:34.020 I think it's the destruction of kind of honor, really.

00:56:38.460 It's, you know, what do I care most about?

00:56:41.500 Oh, only people who are keeping me from having more Netflix or, you know, getting more benefits or, you know,

00:56:47.380 collecting more health care or whatever.

00:56:49.460 Those are the people that I'm angry at, not people who literally betray me, not actual traders.

00:56:53.480 I think it's a complete loss of honor culture that kind of comes with the kind of the cushy lifestyle of first world living 1.00

00:57:02.080 that really brings that switch from oppressor to, or traitor to oppressor when it comes to hostility.

00:57:11.040 And then finally, $5 super sticker from KG, just a donation.

00:57:15.060 Thank you very much, man.

00:57:16.020 I really appreciate it.

00:57:17.060 Oh, wait, there's one more here.

00:57:18.340 I want to make sure I missed a super chat yesterday.

00:57:20.140 And so I want to make sure, guys, make sure you get them in at the beginning.

00:57:23.180 It makes it a lot easier.

00:57:24.480 I never want to sign out without being able to get to people who have donated so they can say something.

00:57:30.040 We really appreciate that.

00:57:32.060 William Paquit for $20.

00:57:33.720 The bigger issue here, the issue is bigger than my beef.

00:57:37.640 But as a sculptor from Virginia, the destruction of a monument is in Charlottesville and Richmond was soul crushing.

00:57:44.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:44.840 I mean, just artistically, this was a very nice statue.

00:57:48.100 Again, as Lafayette said, we don't make these kinds of things anymore.

00:57:51.540 We make these really ugly pieces of art.

00:57:53.480 Instead, we make these terrible statues.

00:57:56.620 We don't make these beautiful works anymore.

00:57:58.640 So yeah, just beyond the history and everything else wrapped in it,

00:58:02.820 just the ugly brutishness of destroying a beautiful work of art like the one from Charlottesville is just a crime in and of itself.

00:58:11.920 And very good of you to point that out, William.

00:58:13.400 All right, guys.

00:58:15.540 Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

00:58:17.540 I want to thank Lafayette once again for joining me, man.

00:58:21.140 Always a pleasure to have you on.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - November 01, 2023

Iconoclasm and Revolution ｜ Guest： Lafayette Lee ｜ 11⧸1⧸23

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