The Auron MacIntyre Show - Identifying Friends and Gatekeepers ｜ Guest： The Distributist ｜ 12⧸19⧸22

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00:01:20.200 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this evening got a great stream with a great

00:01:36.560 guest i think you guys are really gonna enjoy i'm sure most of you who are watching the channel

00:01:41.400 here are already aware but if you don't know the distributist is an excellent youtuber one of the

00:01:47.640 old school guys around here you should definitely check out everything he does he's got a sub stack

00:01:52.320 he's got a channel he's got a couple other things i'll let him plug here in a second but dave thank

00:01:57.540 you so much for joining me man i think you got the uh the mute on there dave sorry about that yeah

00:02:06.040 the pretty much the only thing i don't have is time enough to update all of those things so

00:02:10.740 yeah feel free to check me out i do usually a weekly podcast kind of not happening this week

00:02:16.060 because of christmas stuff but i'll be back in the new year and uh yeah i'm glad to be here

00:02:20.940 absolutely man really appreciate it so the thing i wanted to talk to you a little bit today about

00:02:27.400 there's a lot going on i think more and more people are kind of aware of the shifts that are happening

00:02:34.540 on the right the attitudes with you know kind of the republican uh mainstays the usual approach people

00:02:42.480 are looking for different answers and they're going different places a lot of them are landing

00:02:46.560 in you know channels like yours or mine and i think a lot of people want to understand kind of what's

00:02:53.060 going on because there's a lot of contests a lot of people challenging hey who should be a part of a

00:02:58.780 movement who should be able to talk to who who should be engaging with someone is someone a bad

00:03:03.040 influence all that kind of thing we've got a couple of different uh dustups that have happened on

00:03:07.900 on the internet over the last yeah you know few weeks we had the rob dreher uh with with charles

00:03:14.000 haywood and then we kind of had uh uh jordan peterson coming out against anons we had a lot of people

00:03:19.840 kind of pushing back against people who might generally land in our sphere and you did a really

00:03:24.820 good thread that i think kind of speaks to some of this so so maybe you want to open up with that a

00:03:30.100 little bit well actually i would like to talk a little bit more i think about sort of the problem

00:03:34.460 first oh sure yeah yeah so i mean the thing is is the right has sort of an issue and i think you see

00:03:41.360 this with the jordan peterson i don't know do are we calling it a collapse right now because the guy

00:03:46.780 seems to have fallen off the deep end his appeal is kind of draining away i don't know really what

00:03:51.720 the audience is well i shouldn't say that i do know what the audience for peterson is and the audience

00:03:56.660 he's trying to build is conservatism charles haywood had this name for it he called it scrutinism

00:04:03.560 named after roger scrutin roger scrutin was a genius and he had this really raw primal poetic energy

00:04:10.800 but his sort of demeanor his short his sort of intelligent way of doing fusionism is dead and

00:04:18.260 you can't repeat it and there's no way that these people like peterson can portray themselves as

00:04:24.540 anything other than just tragic figures destined to lose these you know peterson has seemingly no idea

00:04:31.640 what time it is he doesn't understand the political dynamics he's dealing with and so all he can do is

00:04:37.260 just sort of be perpetually outraged and spin off this kind of performative verbiage that this

00:04:43.540 communicates this profound sense of weakness i don't know i don't really know who's on in the market for

00:04:48.140 this stuff and i think this kind of creates a crisis on the right because the the people who i think

00:04:55.400 people were looking to to organize something new and different are just sort of outright failing

00:05:00.580 and it all sort of centers around this issue with determining friend versus enemy now this is

00:05:06.640 something that's very much abused right schmidt said politics is fundamentally friend enemy by which i

00:05:11.780 think he meant that politics on a long enough time period devolves into friend and enemy people

00:05:17.700 organize their political identities around that distinction and that's what drives it but

00:05:22.780 you know you can't just say politics is friend enemy i hate you therefore you're a political 0.58

00:05:27.720 enemy that's a sort of like a boneheaded way to go about doing things and and you know there there's

00:05:32.920 also this this other way i think people are discovering right now is uh we can't do what the left does

00:05:39.780 so for the last well basically since the 60s at least and probably even before that the the american

00:05:45.960 left has had this process by which it defines good and evil by how how close you are how much you

00:05:53.620 advocate for moral degeneration or just general amorality kind of like antinomian behavior generally

00:06:00.400 and then it defines friend enemy that way and it just plays politics straight up the right can't do

00:06:08.440 that the right is not trying to just degenerate everything into a political game the right's trying to

00:06:13.640 de-politicize things and it's trying to create things that are actually lasting and solid and

00:06:19.240 that you can trust and because of that the the question of of determining for an enemy is more

00:06:25.960 complicated it's not just who's on side it's not just oh or is he spouting the proper political

00:06:32.160 platitudes is he is he pure enough uh that kind of leads you to this whole fortune attitude whereas if

00:06:38.740 you're not constantly talking like kanye west you're an enemy so i mean this kind of opens up this

00:06:44.420 interesting dynamic and i think the only thing people really have determined so far is that the

00:06:50.280 current leaders and i'm very much thinking of people like rodriguez and jordan peterson have

00:06:56.200 completely failed in their attempt to deal with politics as it actually occurs in the 21st century

00:07:03.560 and you know i guess it's a starting point now what are your thoughts maybe i should ask that

00:07:08.520 no yeah i i think that's probably true i mean it's very difficult to watch someone like peterson

00:07:14.940 kind of fall into this i i wonder do you think because you know he's someone who's for so many

00:07:21.860 people kind of opened up a lot of things and helped them through difficult times and did have a

00:07:26.620 impact on people in a positive direction maybe in even in a more way i guess you could call it right

00:07:32.660 leaning direction but for us i think we would just call it you know a healthy direction but at the

00:07:37.180 same time do you think he's aware of what he's doing when he's reconstructing scrutinism or trying

00:07:43.680 like does do you think he understands that this is a failed project or do you think that he was just

00:07:48.900 completely unfamiliar with kind of this tradition beforehand and feels like he's got a kind of

00:07:54.660 created out of whole cloth and isn't really you know it doesn't have the context to understand

00:07:59.920 where he is in the moment well i think i think that i think people mistake it jordan peterson had

00:08:06.980 kind of a hint of the old world about him and he had kind of uh but i mean basically in his pre-breakdown

00:08:14.300 years he had a sort of vitality about him where it was clear that he was going to stand his ground

00:08:20.280 and that kind of gave him what i want to say is it kind of gave him a wisdom that he couldn't

00:08:25.500 ideologically justify in himself uh you know jordan peterson had completely swallowed the liberal

00:08:32.140 story about how politics works and to my knowledge he's never addressed that he he doesn't he he still

00:08:38.400 thinks that there's you know it'd be worth it to ask him why he thought previous iterations of

00:08:44.160 conservatism failed but he he still thinks that that progress is going to come around there's going

00:08:50.500 to be a great moderation uh there's going to be some kind of way that you can create an ideological

00:08:58.340 movement to the right in the same way that the left has ideological ways to the left

00:09:03.780 i i guess you know to my knowledge he just hasn't asked the right questions or he was never really in

00:09:11.980 a mind frame to really question preconceptions about the world that was presented to him in the 60s 70s

00:09:18.340 and 80s and that he built his academic career around and so he's sort of wielding these instincts

00:09:23.340 that are fundamentally more wise than he is or or has a right to be i should say and yeah that's kind

00:09:31.380 of that's my take on peterson i guess the only question is why are people still listening well like

00:09:36.540 i said i think a lot of people feel like they kind of owe something to peterson he opened things up for a

00:09:42.720 lot of people he was seen you know as a thought leader for a time and so i think there's a lot of

00:09:49.180 momentum to you know for the people who think that you know the institutions that think that he is going

00:09:55.340 to kind of open things up for people or is going to be a force to be reckoned with long term i think

00:09:59.900 it takes a while to kind of burn that credibility down and while i think it may be easier for some of us

00:10:06.640 in this sphere to kind of spot that the momentum is dying down i think for the mainstream it still

00:10:12.100 looks like he's got gas in the tank right he's still an intelligent guy he's still exploring things

00:10:16.940 that a lot of people hadn't thought about i like the way that you kind of phrase that that he's

00:10:20.900 carrying a wisdom that otherwise maybe hadn't earned or wouldn't otherwise apply and so that's

00:10:26.380 still captivating to people in a way right i'm sure he's earned it in his own life by raising a

00:10:32.500 family you know being instructing young men caring for principles standing his ground in that way he's

00:10:40.800 earned it but there's there's no ideological justification for it it not to try to use another

00:10:46.820 tired analogy but i always i always think of this as sort of like the picard principle like you know

00:10:51.560 picard is this uh man of from star trek next generation he's this man of the old world he he is this

00:10:58.660 this spinning image of this imperialistic french or or english uh leader gentleman and he comports

00:11:06.740 himself as such and he reads moby dick in his spare time and whatnot and but there's there's no way that

00:11:12.400 a society of of post-scarcity could generate that kind of man or justify his morals that he obviously is 0.69

00:11:20.780 implicitly carrying forward and so you know picard is this this sort of anachronism you have to imagine

00:11:26.540 that he came out of a time machine in order to in order to be the kind of person he was in in a

00:11:31.880 world that was secular basically immoral and and and post-scarcity there would be no hardship to 0.91

00:11:38.820 generate that kind of energy in him and peterson is very much the same way he just he's arrived i

00:11:44.500 guess in a time warp from the 50s and the thing is is that nothing about the macrocosmic society works

00:11:51.860 the way his his his explicit political theory says it should and so he's kind of falling back on on

00:12:00.540 deeper emotions and i think that kind of failed him i think the whole and not with peterson the big

00:12:05.340 barrier was the whole anonymous accounts thing i said i haven't paid attention to peterson very closely

00:12:11.260 and because of that i'm i'm kind of i don't know exactly why people are angry at him other than him

00:12:17.720 like his murder of the english tongue in his conservative manifesto uh yeah i i assume it

00:12:25.620 has to do with the attack on anonymous twitter accounts right yeah yeah no it was he came out

00:12:31.220 very uh aggressively against uh anonymous twitter accounts which is very confusing i mean i get the

00:12:37.560 idea right like the theory is okay well i had my real name and i went through this cancellation and i

00:12:43.300 stood my ground and i put my reputation on the line and if everyone else would just do that

00:12:48.380 yeah then like we would be able to win this thing and this uh this attitude is pretty genuine actually

00:12:54.920 like for people who think this is a show or like like this is actually pretty genuine and something i run

00:12:59.760 into all the time when i'm talking to mainstream conservative figures like that i've heard this many many

00:13:05.780 times from people who you think would know better like well if we can just get every person to have

00:13:11.020 the courage of their convictions and speak the truth in their in their everyday interactions

00:13:15.740 then like we'll just turn this whole thing around and for a guy i don't know how the how does the

00:13:20.960 conversation end there because for for anybody who who knows how modern workplaces work that's just

00:13:26.940 not how it works like okay like peterson he can get basically defrocked as an academic and then he

00:13:31.680 gets then he just gets a two thousand dollar a month or probably more than that like twenty thousand

00:13:36.680 dollar a month patreon yeah and just makes videos and like then becomes like a millionaire off of

00:13:42.320 that like that's not an option for most people like you stand out against the system you're going

00:13:47.920 to get your your opportunities are going to be absolutely destroyed and the activists come after you

00:13:53.660 and you're not going to have a patreon to fall back on this is this is an incredible risk i mean we are

00:13:59.820 all taking here doing this and light anonymity is the only thing protecting our families i i don't

00:14:06.100 understand how those things occur to people i think a lot of them have been really removed from for a

00:14:12.080 long time a lot of these people are professionals and you know they're again i think they're being

00:14:15.600 honest i think they're being genuine in some cases but like i think they're just so far removed

00:14:20.760 from you know hey i make my living you know you know telling people what i think even though it's

00:14:26.960 often very controlled anyway but they're less likely to agree to to realize that i think but

00:14:32.080 you know they think oh well i do this and and it's not a big deal and yeah i know there's some people

00:14:36.760 getting canceled here and there but i think they're just so far removed from kind of the day-to-day life

00:14:41.500 of someone making you know 40 50 grand a year whose entire life is going to get completely destroyed if

00:14:46.800 they get laid off from their job like you said they're not going to have the option to go on a

00:14:50.540 speaking tour and write a best-selling book and you know that that's the thing peterson you know should

00:14:55.700 know better he lives in a country where you know the trucker protest these people have their lives

00:15:00.820 destroyed have their bank accounts shut down you know the they're they're not just their bank account

00:15:05.160 the bank accounts of their family bank accounts of people who who supported them like he understands

00:15:10.980 the in theory you know the consequence for this but he did the same thing when it came to the

00:15:15.320 truckers right he told them to just go home right in the middle of what like when it comes to standing

00:15:20.760 tall at the end of the day he just says well actually maybe we should back down and let the

00:15:24.500 government do whatever they want you shouldn't really stand up and by the way now that you've

00:15:28.140 exposed yourself and your life is going to be destroyed and the government's going to come

00:15:31.140 after your bank account oh well you know i'm going to go sell another million books or something right

00:15:35.720 yeah and if they their lives were destroyed that would kind of be more crest for the mill

00:15:40.920 in terms of peterson's success and i i don't want to imply that you know i don't know i can't look

00:15:46.260 into his soul and say he's a bad actor but but the incentives of conservatism are essentially to

00:15:51.960 whine about tragedy while doing nothing to build anything in its wake and you know the figure

00:15:59.080 that's kind of standing in the background of this process in my own mind who had a much larger impact

00:16:04.660 on my life than peterson was roger here who was just i mean who's instrumental in my conversion back

00:16:10.920 to christianity living in a blue state and and kind of trying to find a middle ground between sort of

00:16:18.380 the i i i don't know i don't know what the most delicate words are to say but kind of the the bland 0.94

00:16:25.160 stupidity of 2000s evangelicalism and my distaste with secularism progressive secularism of my my home 0.96

00:16:32.680 state and you know dreher was like this bridge to that but then at some point he just you realize 1.00

00:16:40.380 that like his entire career is spent selling these these reactions like he's he's chicken he has no

00:16:48.440 solution he just sells he's kind of like oh the sky is falling the sky is falling you know who i don't

00:16:54.260 know who can afford to listen to this or who likes this stuff but any solution that comes up he he doesn't

00:17:01.580 like you know i remember listening to rod dreher describe curtis yarvin as like this sort of weird

00:17:07.180 internet villain and he obviously hadn't read the guy um you know that's how i that's how i first kind

00:17:14.060 of came across the name of men just mole bug back in the day and uh what's so strange is that i guess

00:17:21.080 i don't know how much you how you want to segue to this but in rod dreher's case the inciting instant

00:17:26.380 that people are really reacting to now is dreher is essentially instrumental in organizing a

00:17:33.660 cancellation campaign of of a prominent teacher at a classical christian academy for for basically

00:17:41.300 very little for for basically profanity for online profanity and for being mean to not other anonymous

00:17:48.840 people online under a pseudonym and you know i i you know i don't know what to say to this i know a

00:17:56.020 lot of my friends i i i reacted incredibly negatively to this and i i don't know again it depends on how

00:18:04.920 much people know about this and but you kind of wonder what how how does this person's world exist if

00:18:11.620 he's going to take down this person for shit posting and even potentially according to dreher 0.93

00:18:18.280 possibly scundled this entire school because he he perceives these this sort of profanity in the 0.99

00:18:25.140 shit posting as the trojan horse of white supremacy how is any kind of institution ever supposed to 0.99

00:18:30.900 function uh the second a person sins and specifically sins against the the enemy that you're trying to 0.99

00:18:38.820 guard against you're going to cancel them and destroy their entire legacy and put them on blast

00:18:44.340 and humiliate them and destroy their crowdfunding oh you know i don't know i mean it's it's impossible

00:18:51.560 to imagine what these people are thinking and i to me i don't know this is there's a point where you

00:19:00.740 just have to understand these people as being detached from reality and it's tragic it's tragic and

00:19:06.120 i think we're all kind of looking for responses right now what what's very clear to me is that

00:19:11.760 people like rod dreher cannot continue to be touchstones for any serious people who are looking

00:19:16.960 for anything other than to slow down progressivism for a few years or in rod dreher's case actually

00:19:23.680 accelerate it because i guarantee you he's been broadcasting the danger of white supremacy

00:19:29.120 infiltrating christian academies for the last two or three weeks now if people take this line like

00:19:36.560 they teach a new generation of evangelical kids that there's a secret plot afoot to smuggle in

00:19:42.460 nazism into their school and that the best thing they can do is to witch hunt all of their teachers for

00:19:47.960 white supremacy like what are these kids gonna i mean like and what do they get they get all the crt is 0.86

00:19:52.480 also bad you know and you should like the founding fathers well let me tell you what's going to

00:19:58.300 happen these kids are going to go to college and then they're going to learn that by any standard

00:20:02.300 of the word our founding fathers were white supremacists and they're going to learn that

00:20:06.860 from experts who are fans of ibrahim x kendi and then all of the witch hunting you're directing against

00:20:12.940 these people with minor transgressions online they're going to be sent back and they're going to

00:20:17.880 witch hunt you and everyone can see this everyone who can see this who isn't these these thought

00:20:25.120 leaders in the conservative movement and i'm at a loss at what to say to these people because i

00:20:29.800 haven't located anyone who will actually defend this approach to the problem of politics in the

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00:21:10.640 it's in search of its own justification as far as i'm concerned because it just it's insanity

00:21:16.220 well i think it might be self-evident to us and maybe many of the people who are more familiar

00:21:21.740 with us but we do have some more people coming in who might not be familiar so it might be it might

00:21:26.980 be behoove us to speak a little bit more on to why this is so ineffective or why this is so dangerous

00:21:33.460 because i think you know i i look at someone like jerry and i didn't really know you know rob jerry that

00:21:38.180 well i wasn't i mean i heard of him i you know read one or two things here there but i wasn't super

00:21:43.140 familiar and and you know when you see a guy like that who is supposed to be like some kind of like

00:21:49.820 thought leaders or supposed to you know have some some kind of understanding kind of where we're at

00:21:54.100 and pushing back when you see him completely just not understand why like it's so much more important

00:22:00.620 for him to purge anything that might get like a bad article from the new york times than it is to

00:22:07.100 actually push back against the thing that he says is so dangerous and so you know it's so likely to

00:22:12.000 corrupt like it's very clear that the non-existent threat of like he said like some kind of white

00:22:17.960 supremacy flanking him from the right and taking over christianity is far more terrifying to him

00:22:23.580 than progressives doing and winning the battles that they've been winning for decades and it's

00:22:28.100 just really hard to understand how someone can be completely caught up in this idea and and and

00:22:33.200 while it it may be more prevalent among like maybe leaders like jerry like people in this kind of bubble

00:22:39.180 i think it does exist to a certain extent in in kind of the wider maybe people who are you know

00:22:45.240 moderately right and don't understand maybe kind of what's going i think they can fall into the

00:22:50.860 storyline very easily well i mean the the thing is is you know i i don't exactly know how much i

00:22:57.420 want to get into the weeds on dreher because sure i i'm probably one of the few people who's just like

00:23:02.420 read practically everything i've drew her has ever written and you know i can't piece together

00:23:07.200 i mean a lot of it's incredibly personal and there's a dimension to this that can't help but touch

00:23:12.700 on dreher's personal life story uh but that's probably not appropriate to get into but with

00:23:18.500 dreher like you said it's ironic because his entire career is whining about how the left is coming for us

00:23:26.360 and we're all going to lose and the sky has fallen and blah blah blah blah blah blah right he should be

00:23:30.880 the one who's aware of how this works but he seems to be blithely unaware of the process involved

00:23:36.740 and this latest drama with the the classical christian education and this this this errant

00:23:43.660 teacher who got canceled demonstrates this uh dreher doesn't seem to understand well first of all he

00:23:52.560 has a story about himself that because he spends a lot of time whining about the left like impotently

00:23:58.940 he's he's like doing something about it like the fact that he's complaining about them and decrying

00:24:04.620 them is doing something about it and him you know taking active steps to crush somebody inside his

00:24:12.120 own community like that's just him being fair so like he whines about the new york times for five

00:24:16.920 articles and whines and whines and whines and sells books on it and you know then someone says a bad

00:24:23.960 word on the right and he destroys their entire life and like that's no it balances out right uh it doesn't

00:24:30.760 at all right you you you've essentially destroyed an entire avenue of of right-wing uh resistance an

00:24:40.640 entire cell of it and all you've really done for the new york times and uh the rest of the left wing

00:24:46.900 is provide them with a really interesting clown roger here doesn't know this but i was actually

00:24:51.700 amazed to learn about this but in 2016 i was amazed to hear my progressive friends talking about roger

00:24:58.360 uh you know these are like deep blue state progressives like they would never watch my

00:25:03.060 youtube channel uh they would never read american conservative or anything else like that or national

00:25:08.140 review even or watch fox but they're all talking about roger and you're like wondering like why are

00:25:13.280 they all talking about roger well it's because he's one of the on on a few shows most prominently

00:25:19.560 el chapo trap house he's this clown that they bring up to to laugh at like traditional christians 1.00

00:25:27.160 and how they whine impotently and so they're all laughing at him because he's having a hizzy 0.95

00:25:32.200 fit over the new york times and he's just whining while while rome burns around him basically and this

00:25:38.300 is a joke for them and it's funny i mean it's basically like watching uh the the the the the you

00:25:45.420 know the famous meme of the sew kind of non-binary person screaming when trump is uh elected or

00:25:52.780 sworn in well that's roger here for the left i mean he literally is that person to these people

00:25:58.520 and uh that that's the role he plays he thinks he's doing something but he actually is only carrying

00:26:04.660 out the the wishes he's basically an entertainment product for the cathedral and apparently he is a

00:26:11.080 foot foot soldier in their ideological expansion yeah that's the most horrific part there is like not

00:26:16.660 only is he willing to kind of like play the clown or you know to to to be you know they they can all

00:26:23.360 stand around and and mock him as he as he cries impotently into the sky but not he takes breaks in

00:26:28.960 between that to go hunt down the wrong thinkers on his own side right so the old like you said the only 0.71

00:26:33.680 active because i mean a lot of people say well why aren't you guys doing something why aren't you guys

00:26:37.460 doing something so i don't want to always you know i don't want to just bag on him for that but like

00:26:41.000 the time he does actually take action it's only to destroy someone to his right right and this is

00:26:46.920 where charles haywood comes in right because charles haywood of the worthy house who's been on this

00:26:51.900 uh channel before he writes this or he talks about no enemies to the right and this is dre really takes

00:27:00.340 issue with this right he says that you know haywood is a terrible influence he's trying to destroy

00:27:05.380 christianity and bring you know all these terrible you know tax into that thing and uh there there's

00:27:11.280 this really great for anyone who didn't catch it great back and forth with um with charles haywood

00:27:16.640 i believe dc miller is dc miller yeah yeah is it daniel miller yeah i think it is i think that's right

00:27:22.240 yeah and so so uh over on i am 1776 and i think um i think haywood makes some really powerful points

00:27:29.900 there multiple times right he kind of kind of explains why all of this is is theater uh at the

00:27:35.760 end of the day for dreyer why this is going to be you know completely impotent and complete 0.62

00:27:39.640 misunderstanding of the scenario and also something in which i don't i don't know if dreyer's maybe he

00:27:44.140 did address it i haven't read all of this stuff around this but you know talks about what why didn't

00:27:48.220 you just go to this guy in private right like if you're really that's a big question writer never

00:27:52.560 answers that question right because and this is the thing like there is an actual dialectic to be had

00:27:57.900 here because like i said like you you can't and this is i think where haywood's actually wrong

00:28:04.040 and i'm not saying that like to kind of morally posture like rod dreyer but you can't just say

00:28:09.860 no enemies to the right and leave it at that that's how you get fortune and like we're not trying to do

00:28:15.060 the same thing as the left is doing we're not trying to dissolve everything real into a political

00:28:20.300 conflict that will devour everything whole because we benefit from chaos if you're trying to build

00:28:25.840 something you have to have moral standards and you're going to have to gatekeep and you're not

00:28:31.680 just going to have to gatekeep on ideology you're going to have to gatekeep on a variety of different

00:28:36.280 properties and so there's this fundamental asymmetry here but because of this because of this fundamental

00:28:43.480 asymmetry and because there needs to be a balancing act between political realism and and and basically

00:28:51.020 fostering a moral community inside your own moral community prudence is primary and there was this

00:28:58.820 absolutely no display of prudence on the part of dreher or any of these people who went after

00:29:04.860 this individual we can call them tolius for for for purpose uh you know again like i said in my podcast 0.95

00:29:12.320 if this had been a marital affair if this had been him shouting i want to kill you at a sports game

00:29:19.240 if this if this was him even tagging this like writing graffiti on the side of a bridge or something like

00:29:25.320 that i would have never heard of tolius's name living in my blue state if that had been the case

00:29:30.700 and those are all moral transgressions and of course you know using profanity and being mean

00:29:36.520 and that's not behavior of becoming a christian gentleman and we need to correct that

00:29:42.180 but guess how we decided to correct it we decided to correct it by essentially feeding him to the cathedral

00:29:48.740 we decided to correct it by by making him an example both of uh well both of white supremacy

00:29:56.280 that the cathedral loves that our enemies love and also of how weak we are and how able how easily we 0.97

00:30:02.500 will be we will be to infiltrate be infiltrated by the next generation of their white supremacy witch

00:30:08.020 hunters and i i again i don't know what to say to this it's just we can't afford to have leaders that

00:30:16.740 are this clueless i suppose and uh you know this is a again i think rodry hers is kind of done at this

00:30:26.060 stage there's no way to kind of incorporate unless he learned something from this but he never answers

00:30:31.280 any of the questions that are brought to him by haywood or any of the people that objected to how

00:30:37.560 this was handled uh he he just emotes and he also copies one of the least favorite i this is actually

00:30:44.320 i think i i remember the moment where i i i said to myself okay draher just has to go away now

00:30:50.100 and that was the moment where people this is before haywood stepped onto the scene people called draher out

00:30:57.260 for being you know uh they called him out for being cruel and for being unmerciful and and for being

00:31:06.560 and for being unfair and and and draher he copies this from from progresses and that what he does is

00:31:15.940 he superimposes himself as a judge into the role of the victims he's like yeah i feel like where

00:31:23.220 things are unfair going on everyone yeah this guy totally is who i canceled he was being unfair to

00:31:28.520 everyone he was being unfair to our school he was being unfair to us when he went and did this to

00:31:33.040 all all of us so here here roger hurry is acting as the inquisitor and the second his judgment is

00:31:40.100 called into question he does not defend it as just he puts himself in the shoes of a hypothetical victim

00:31:46.300 of tolius's because again this is all anonymous online there is no victim coming forward with a

00:31:52.600 grievance and starts moralizing about how hurt he is by by by the actions of his victim 0.96

00:32:00.260 and i mean i don't know i mean this is exactly the behavior i've come to expect from shit libs 0.94

00:32:07.320 in my home state and and to see it now kind of repeated i guess he learned this in when he lived 0.96

00:32:14.020 in a blue state this this kind of behavior it's just frankly disgusting and uh again i'm not so sure

00:32:21.420 what comes after it i guess uh probably nothing there's there's really no way to to resurrect this

00:32:27.720 conversation and it's conversation that needs to happen unfortunately yeah i feel like there's not

00:32:32.820 a whole lot of following still with jerry i don't think he i don't think he moves the needle a whole

00:32:40.080 lot especially at this point but i do want to get to kind of our last one more gatekeeper this one

00:32:46.820 will be a softball so the this can you know the last two uh this one will be very easy but i think

00:32:52.660 it's worth mentioning because i do hear all the time so let's talk about someone like james lindsey

00:32:57.000 right like yeah like like like this one will be much easier because it's not coming from from your

00:33:03.140 moral tradition or anything so so i think it'll be a lot easier to address but but it's worth saying

00:33:07.340 because a lot of people will tell me because you know lindsey came after a lot of us uh you know

00:33:11.980 saying oh you can't you can't listen to these near reactionaries any of these people like they're

00:33:16.360 super dangerous it's the end of the world if you listen to them it's it's the return of all the

00:33:20.460 deep dark things and so he warns it tries to warn a lot of people away from kind of this sphere

00:33:26.440 how a lot of people ask me why can't you guys just you know figure it out why can't you guys just work

00:33:32.020 together don't we under aren't we all on the same side here uh why why is lindsey gatekeeping so hard 1.00

00:33:38.380 against kind of the the post-modern you know right or whatever well i'm glad you brought up james i was

00:33:46.040 afraid you were going to bring up david french but i'm really glad you brought up james lindsey

00:33:49.800 because and now i have an opportunity to close out my discussion of rod dreher with a compliment to

00:33:57.100 rod dreher because the last good thing i'll say about rod dreher is that rod dreher prevented me

00:34:01.700 from becoming james lindsey because james lindsey was very much the kind of person i was in what was it

00:34:08.680 like 2009 or whatever or 2007 did you wield the blade did you is there is there a video of you

00:34:15.020 probably i was in the anime there might be videos of me wielding you know burn it now making a video

00:34:21.360 holding a katana i'm not going to say there there are who knows it's the internet right um but uh the

00:34:27.480 the you know kids don't do the weebu thing you don't want those videos out there not even once just

00:34:33.240 saying but uh yeah i mean james lindsey i don't know this is there there's a common thread in between

00:34:42.900 james lindsey and rod dreher and that i can tell james lindsey went to college at a certain time

00:34:49.860 uh i'm pretty sure he's the same age as me because he's occupying a certain role just like rod dreher

00:34:56.840 is occupying a certain role in rod dreher's case charles haywood was right to point out that the role

00:35:02.520 dreher wants to fill is roger scrutin unfortunately that role is no longer open

00:35:07.160 for james lindsey the role is a little harder because i can't think of anybody who currently

00:35:14.680 embodies it in print but the role he wants to occupy is that of the good uh non-progressive in

00:35:23.960 college now old fogies like me who are older millennials will remember this time before 2006

00:35:32.120 in college where there is this like place you could be you know this sort of pendulet kind of

00:35:40.200 uh place like bill maher sort of place this sort of uh andrew sullivan type place you could be on

00:35:47.180 on college campuses where you could kind of be a gadfly and libertarian and you didn't you didn't do the

00:35:53.660 whole progressive thing you like south park you know south parks were they were always going after

00:35:57.880 the progressives another great example is um their episode of on immigration uh south park you re-watch

00:36:04.800 that one it's really good uh it indicates how the the liberal mind works but uh this this role was

00:36:11.400 like i want to be the good anti-progressive and and that's obviously how james lindsey developed his

00:36:17.540 identity and his entire career is trying to design a place where that's still a thing where you can't be a

00:36:25.580 good anti-progressive in the modern order and that's just not going to happen and so his idea is that

00:36:32.400 we we we can somehow excise wokeness by cutting out the authors he identifies as being crt or postmodern

00:36:40.980 or whatever the buzzwords are and uh the the the the problem here is um again there's a meme about

00:36:54.040 this so i probably i'm not telling you anything you don't know but for the benefit of the audience

00:36:57.720 what what james lindsey doesn't know is that this world that he wants to occupy this role he wants

00:37:02.820 to occupy basically died in the 80s and 90s because of changes that were made and that he approved of

00:37:09.820 in the 60s and 70s specifically the advent of strong civil rights laws and there's that whole meme where

00:37:15.580 it's james lindsey's 8 000 point and wokeness is obliterated by the civil rights act and all of these

00:37:20.820 authors who he's raging against like you know derrick bell and the likes these are all old i mean

00:37:27.000 derrick bell the developer of crt i think i'm remembering the right name but he he was an old

00:37:34.220 hat civil rights lawyer from from from like way back in the 70s like he was on the ground doing this stuff

00:37:41.960 the the original creators of the civil rights movement approved of affirmative action which was

00:37:47.520 racially essentializing and it embodied none of the classically liberal principles they they say

00:37:54.780 that were were were de facto before 2012 so the problem is is that james lindsey has to construct

00:38:02.020 a fictitious history of the 20th century before 2012 and a fictitious story about how crt became

00:38:11.900 prominent in in the academy like you know how did you know does james lindsey ever give me a convincing

00:38:17.940 story about how this happened it just seems like okay well everyone's brains fell out of their head

00:38:23.380 and they started adopting this post-modern neo-marxism for no reason whatsoever and now we're here

00:38:29.940 that's not how the conversation went on i i was in berkeley in the early 2000s i remember california in

00:38:37.100 the 1990s that's not how the stuff became popular and to pretend like you know this the sister didn't

00:38:44.700 happen is you know he's he's trying to literally create a historical anachronism yeah it's a it's

00:38:52.220 it's comedic at this stage yeah i think there's like you said there's the certain time where you

00:38:57.920 could have been born or gone to college where like you can believe this story because you like existed

00:39:03.500 and kind of the uh you know the the interim where like things didn't feel the identity you know you

00:39:10.860 can believe that identity politics just kind of spawned out of nowhere right like oh you know a few

00:39:16.500 years you know all of a sudden the left figured out identity politics could generate a lot of power for

00:39:22.140 them and so they just took that up and you can you can pretend like there was just this happy 90s

00:39:26.820 point where like none of these issues existed we kind of reached the utopia that you know civil rights

00:39:33.400 legislation had offered everything was working fine now this stuff was like building up in the

00:39:37.860 background and then all of a sudden like identity politics and wokeness just kind of explode onto the

00:39:42.820 scene and and in that i think i think there is a certain time in which you could believe that if

00:39:49.000 like you said you you went to college at a time were born a certain time watch certain tv shows that

00:39:53.420 kind of thing but for people who are unfamiliar for you know i think both of them are the audience is

00:39:59.000 probably familiar but for a second like why is wokeness like why is kind of this current iteration

00:40:06.080 of progressivism a natural uh and kind of the natural flow of civil rights legislation why is this the

00:40:13.400 consequence of kind of the civil rights legislation well it's because this i mean it basically is civil

00:40:19.520 rights and that's that that's sort of the dumb way of putting it is that it's it's the strong

00:40:25.020 implementation of civil rights the the more important way to think of this it's because of

00:40:30.460 the failure of the civil rights movement because the civil rights movement was not just against

00:40:36.000 de jure segregation or against specific laws in the south it was essentially a a religious promise

00:40:44.620 and you know king very much embodies this and that's another figure that we you know that's not

00:40:50.320 really remembered accurately in my opinion but uh it was a religious promise that america would be an

00:40:57.340 integrated country and that race wouldn't matter the problem is is that this promise is basically

00:41:03.340 failed i mean it's failed it's almost all realistic levels and so this platitudinous stuff that comes out

00:41:10.440 of the 60s how there will be equal opportunity it kind of devours itself because the the idea of equal

00:41:16.600 opportunity regardless of what the reaganite conservatives said the idea was equal statistical

00:41:22.880 results because if there are unequal statistical outcomes then how can you say there was equal

00:41:29.560 opportunity unless you're implying that there could be some like foundational inequality and of course

00:41:35.900 our entire our entire post-civil rights thinking denies the possibility that they could

00:41:41.740 ever exist and and and this is this is uh you know there there's a reason this this this this kind

00:41:51.520 of stuff this this james limsey perspective it it it can't really survive in a dialectic against these

00:41:58.400 hard questions if you ask people hard questions about equality of opportunity eventually people will 0.91

00:42:04.420 realize that this concept is bullshit and they'll discard it absolutely or they will become full progressives

00:42:10.960 or those are asking deeper questions about enlightenment values like i think you and i eventually did 0.96

00:42:16.440 but but you can't you can't maintain the the reaganite dinesh de sosha view of equal opportunity

00:42:23.100 that is unsustainable based on the facts we've observed on the ground and trying to convince yourself that

00:42:29.660 we're just a charter school program away from implementing this or or that if if the people administrating

00:42:36.120 chicago or new york who are all disciples of william buckley that this problem would go away is nuts and

00:42:42.860 everyone knows it's nuts and it's insulting to the intelligence of other people to claim that that's the

00:42:47.920 solution and so we you see in people like james lindsey and people who i most recently tried to convince

00:42:55.100 uh talk out of this perspective adam and sitch from the youtube channel adam and sitch uh they're

00:43:02.320 essentially selling people a faulty product it's a car that basically like in their bubble what they're

00:43:08.600 saying makes sense but it makes sense basically because they're misrepresenting the claims of

00:43:12.980 their opponents they're misrepresenting the history in the case of progressivism they're presenting like

00:43:17.820 this like it's some kind of weird mind virus that came out of nowhere and was not the product of a

00:43:22.780 specific problem namely the inability to institute a proper racial integration and they're still manning

00:43:29.360 the the critique of it coming from the right and uh the the issue is that there's just so much of our

00:43:35.920 of our moral system has kind of been built up around triggering on these hate facts or these kind of

00:43:43.400 pronouncements that sound wrong and so these these these moralizers uh james lindsey despite himself can

00:43:49.740 become a moralizer and kind of selectively remove key facts out of the conversation and and with those

00:43:55.820 facts removed it looks like he has a case but those facts can never be introduced into the conversation

00:44:02.340 otherwise their arguments collapse and from history we know that they do not survive so again what are

00:44:10.980 you buying when you you buy james lindsey's ideology you know ultimately nothing ultimately you're buying

00:44:18.420 an argument that is degenerate and will double collapse it on itself the second you take it outside of

00:44:23.820 the reservation of a few hashtags and you know a youtube channel that curates it's the questions it asks

00:44:29.640 so we've touched on the three major gatekeepers i wanted to do you did talk a little bit about david french

00:44:37.480 i don't know if you want to waste any time on on french at this point it's uh he's just he just he hates

00:44:42.800 the right he hates the people of the right he hates the values like i don't even under i'm even almost tired

00:44:48.600 of making the conservative case for a joke anymore because it's not he's not even bothered to make

00:44:53.200 it a conservative case at this point it's just a screed after screed about the right the question is

00:44:58.840 you know who are these people's audiences and i i think french and dreher kind of share a similar

00:45:05.240 audience i think dreher is it's much more surprising why dreher's audience is still on board because they

00:45:11.600 seem to understand the notion of the metastasizing left this isn't some kind of static force that's pushing

00:45:18.420 in a direction it's a historical process but you know these people do have audiences i guess but

00:45:24.920 it's becoming increasingly boring to debunk this stuff uh french like i said i'm i you can just say

00:45:33.240 the word and you already know the argument against it he's become his own self-parody and maybe i think

00:45:38.640 dreher is going to become a similar self-parody in 2023 i don't think he was there before i think

00:45:44.960 people were still holding out this hope that there would be a middle ground uh for both dreher and

00:45:50.740 peterson but i think as we what we've seen is that there there basically isn't any and that you know

00:45:58.340 because the problem isn't even that they want to have a more moderate version of the right wing

00:46:03.460 it's the fact that they just refused to engage in certain types of questions that are being brought

00:46:09.340 against them and that's a common feature of of all of these characters is that you know for instance

00:46:15.880 i'm gonna name an elephant in the room right like i built my entire youtube channel basically around

00:46:21.580 the the idea that i would take seriously the objections of the alt-right but i didn't think

00:46:28.520 race was ultimately important that was the first big video series i made i guess the sexual revolution

00:46:33.300 one was the first but that was one of the first big video series i made and uh it prominently

00:46:39.820 features into my appreciation from people like moldbug so in many ways you could say that i'm being a

00:46:45.580 moderate like i'm trying to i'm participating in a dialectic where i'm not taking the most extreme

00:46:51.120 right-wing position i could be if you conceptualize right-wing positions that way i'm trying to save

00:46:56.820 a piece of liberalism or i'm trying to make it work in a way by by by engaging by by seeing how it

00:47:04.420 engages with reality uh but but i think what what sort of fundamentally differentiates me from these

00:47:11.000 locales if i can speak in my own defense i take the objections seriously and in in all of these

00:47:17.880 instances with david french with draher with lindsey with peterson there's like these obvious retorts

00:47:24.720 and they they just don't answer them they exclude them from the conversation because they can because

00:47:30.620 in this instance pc works in their favor or wokeness works in their favor so they can control the

00:47:36.300 dialectic that way and they can exclude those questions from being brought to them and then

00:47:41.000 they can continue just they can continue on the grift in a time warp and pretend like pretend like

00:47:48.260 everyone isn't thinking those questions implicitly every time they read their source material

00:47:52.240 read their new material and and i guess this is this is sort of the place we are right now these people

00:47:58.740 have to become irrelevant not because they're moderates but because they refuse to try to

00:48:05.060 prudentially integrate their moderate values into the facts as we see them occurring and they refuse to try

00:48:12.000 to take their moderate ideology and answer actual questions that we have before us do you want lasting

00:48:18.360 institutions that are not progressive if you do you're going to have to deal with the fact that

00:48:24.180 triggering on the left's buzzwords will destroy those institutions full stop do you want to actually be

00:48:31.200 able to speak freely in the academy well if you do you have to acknowledge that this moral framework that

00:48:38.260 james lindsey wants to copy over from the 70s isn't going anywhere it collapses in on itself and

00:48:45.460 you know without that kind of engagement these people are just useless uh and you know it's it's

00:48:52.600 hard it's a shame too and i know i'm rambling a little bit here but it's a shame because this is a

00:48:58.460 conversation like i said we need to have we we can't just become a moral purity spiral spiral spiralers and

00:49:06.480 there needs to be a synthesis with the previous age you can't just reinstall the 19th century or you

00:49:14.580 can't just reinstall the 9th century if you're a pagan there are certain developments that have

00:49:19.860 happened technologically that we need to react to and take on board and i i feel like the the sort of

00:49:26.660 there's sort of this dark corollary to the dreher's and the david french's and the petersons of this world

00:49:33.100 and the dark corollary is that there's nobody who's actually bringing these objections

00:49:38.040 forward in an intellectually serious way how do you police proper behavior in a political environment

00:49:45.380 when the natural instinct is just to reflexively play the last game back at it you don't want

00:49:51.580 christian leaders that are just casually dropping racial slurs online that that's a huge problem

00:49:56.820 it's not a problem that indicates you should essentially instigate a cancellation campaign

00:50:03.520 for the benefit of your enemies uh but but it is something that weakens you and so does sort of

00:50:09.880 deferring to this immoral power analysis machiavellianism is true in a sense but once once you convince

00:50:18.020 yourself like you know a friend of mine online who will go unnamed here that that everything ideal

00:50:24.840 all idea ideological or religious is just pretense for machiavellian power then you've essentially

00:50:32.480 excused yourself from from actually participating in in real politics because all all politics is the

00:50:39.960 advocacy for certain beliefs and ideas that are that are idealistic and not simply power games

00:50:47.060 and and if you and if you are a player who doesn't believe in that that doesn't believe in your

00:50:54.140 religion you are an essentially uh you essentially are castrated in a spiritual sense you're you're 0.96

00:51:02.120 you're the soul of your people or if your group has no life in it there's no generative force there's

00:51:08.480 nothing that's holy about it i know i'm using religious language and then mixing it with machiavellianism but

00:51:13.940 that's a huge problem and the thing is that these total lol cows prevent that deeper conversation from 1.00

00:51:22.000 actually happening and that's what's really frustrating about them yeah i think that's important

00:51:27.940 because even you know even the italian elite theorists or at least one of them mosca says that

00:51:33.480 you know political theory or political formulas you know the people do have to believe in them like

00:51:38.200 the leaders they're given their power they can't just be naked justifications for power they they do

00:51:43.200 actually need to have sway ideological weight with the people and with the those that are actually

00:51:49.400 implementing them if they're if they're gonna mean anything if they're actually gonna motivate people

00:51:53.880 so i think that's important to keep in mind but we've talked a lot about gatekeeping so let's try to

00:52:00.080 spend a little bit of time before we have to go to the super chats on friends so part of the part of this

00:52:06.480 was about friends right so you did a great little thread uh on like how we should treat friends how we can

00:52:13.400 identify friends how friends should interact in a way that you know is you know even if we don't agree

00:52:20.000 on everything or if we're trying to hash things out we do so in a productive way that makes sure that

00:52:24.920 we can kind of move the ball forward so like what what are some of those tips for people who are saying

00:52:30.520 okay well we want to avoid this nasty you know gatekeeping but we also want to be able to kind of move

00:52:36.380 people towards a particular idea how do we identify friends how do we interact with them that kind of thing

00:52:41.820 well this is um i i don't does anyone remember when the the whole friends like the the f-r-e-n-s 1.00

00:52:49.960 word became so popular on the right it seemed to really pick up steam after 2021 but i i feel like

00:52:55.740 it must be older right uh but at any rate like i kind of use it colloquially to mean sort of internet

00:53:02.620 ally who i've never met in real life i guess and uh well okay i mean so so the the big thing

00:53:11.800 with the whole friends thread this was my attempt to address this issue about how you identify people

00:53:17.480 who are who are worthy of being uh like you know allies basically is friends basically the ally like

00:53:26.440 everyone in the progressive space talks about allies this and allies that i think friends might be the

00:53:31.400 right-wing version of allies and of course it's much more difficult to be an ally to the right because we're not just

00:53:38.200 playing pure politics here charles haywood said that the you begin with the end in mind and the

00:53:45.320 end is the total victory of the right over the left with the total destruction of left i think he

00:53:50.040 that's how he put it to me that kind of begs the question about what is left and right

00:53:55.880 from my point of view what we're really fighting for is we're fighting for the the the political ability

00:54:03.960 to create um space spaces or or areas where people can be remoralized and re-territorialized

00:54:12.520 so we want to modernity is corrosive to the human form and to human and to the human spirit and and

00:54:19.800 because of that uh people need to find meaning and truth in in things in in in things that they actually

00:54:27.080 should believe in and so when we talk about who's broadly allied with this project we're talking

00:54:32.600 about people who believe you know maybe some machiavellian allies notwithstanding we're talking

00:54:38.200 about people who believe in higher powers and and who understand that at least in the moment

00:54:45.880 the pursuit of communion with these higher powers or the pursuit of a strong moral system

00:54:51.080 that that would commend a proper human life it's going to involve a degree of separation and a

00:54:56.840 degree of independence that that our current globalized leaders just do not want and to not

00:55:03.080 like and in fact feel as threatening to their ultimate power because it is because independent

00:55:08.360 human populations mean that they are not in need of managerial control and if those independent

00:55:15.800 human populations look like they're healthier and better than than the highly managed victims 1.00

00:55:22.840 of the global american empire and their homogenized pods then that creates a political problem for our

00:55:28.280 enemies so that's kind of my starting point uh but but really at this stage what the right needs to

00:55:34.600 do is it needs to make it needs to be it needs to be able to make promises and keep them it needs to be

00:55:41.560 able to give and receive loyalty and and needs to be able to hold a line against the progressive forces

00:55:49.000 that want to tear this apart and i i can't really go i am probably not appropriate for me just to go

00:55:54.440 through all the 20 points in my yeah sure but but this this is the core of it and so like what do you

00:56:00.760 what is the minimum thing you need to be able to you know give a promise and and have someone else

00:56:09.240 respect that you'll keep it or to receive a promise from someone else and and feel confident

00:56:13.800 in it and more importantly what what is the minimum you need to feel loyalty to a person

00:56:19.400 and we talk about caesar a lot uh on these in these spheres because we we know history and we know

00:56:26.280 sort of the cyclical view of history and that seems to suggest the only solution to our problems

00:56:31.640 is some kind of uh monarchical source of power that can crush the oligarchy 0.84

00:56:36.360 what what do you need in a caesar well you know does it need to be the same religion as you does

00:56:43.640 it need to be uh the same value system as you i mean minimally in a sense right he needs to know

00:56:48.520 what a good value system is and what a value uh bad one is and he doesn't need to be hostile to it

00:56:54.440 but but also more importantly you know he needs to a friend in order to be a loyal friend that needs to

00:57:01.720 have a certain level of prudence and a certain level of um of knowledge about what's actually

00:57:09.000 going on one of the sort of essential tips i give in the 25 tips is and this sort of applies to the

00:57:15.320 drear situation i mean we have to enforce moral standards and we're going to have disagreements in

00:57:20.040 between us uh but but if you and but if if you're interested in the project of of not just getting

00:57:26.200 devoured by the the global leviathan you're going to have to respect the fact that you can't turn your

00:57:34.120 disagreements into cancellation campaigns in the language of the enemy so if there's a cancellation

00:57:39.480 campaign going on against i don't know pagans or pickup artists which are two groups that i've

00:57:46.440 had frequent problems with or people who worship race you know to bring back the 2017 alt right

00:57:53.240 these are groups that i've had serious problems with in the past uh but but i'm not going to jump

00:57:58.760 on the bandwagon of attempts to destroy their lives for non-crimes uh even though i would have political

00:58:06.040 problems with them otherwise and furthermore when i express my political problems and this is really the

00:58:11.320 kicker i'm going to use a different language than theirs so if i feel that people are being unjust

00:58:18.040 individuals based on their background i'm not going to call that racism i'll call it the older word the

00:58:23.240 more correct word which is bigotry if i if i think that uh there's a problem with people getting obsessed

00:58:29.640 with you know whiteness i i'm going to say that's like you know that's purity spiraling i'm not going to

00:58:35.720 call it white supremacy right or i'm going to call it sort of like uh you know uh phenotype obsession

00:58:44.440 the the the issue is and you know our enemies know this human brains politically in the ordinary

00:58:50.760 instance they our moral systems are designed to trigger on language they should trigger on substance

00:58:57.240 and action but we can't process that so we trigger on action so we don't think of the actions that are 0.97

00:59:03.800 implied by racism we just think that racism is the bad word so let's kill the racist and that's what

00:59:09.880 makes the equivocation the left does so useful to disintegrating these things and so like a minimal 0.59

00:59:15.720 burial barrier we will need is to kind of not use left's language not have their ant smell and and if

00:59:25.000 they're going to make the case that somebody is evil first we'll be the ones to enforce our own rules

00:59:30.920 and second of all that case will not go on in the language that they choose nor carry the consequences

00:59:37.240 that they wanted to nor play into the same narrative that they're trying to spin on the macrocosmic level

00:59:43.560 and and that's sort of minimally necessary for leaders in this circle that so on true human health

00:59:50.120 are what we need so when i heard haywood say no enemies to the right this is kind of what i heard and

00:59:57.080 maybe i didn't understand what he meant but but i think it was somewhat close to what you were

01:00:01.560 saying i guess i can always ask charles next time he's on but but but when i heard him say that this

01:00:06.600 is the kind of thing i had in mind is that it's not that we would never have disagreements on the

01:00:10.920 right in fact he specifically says in his response in that discussion hey actually there needs to be a

01:00:16.040 way for us to do this but it needs to happen behind closed doors it needs to be a one it needs to be a

01:00:22.360 personal thing there needs to be a correction you know that kind of thing i think his point was like

01:00:26.680 we're not going to waste time chasing the boogeymen of the left right like we're not going to focus

01:00:32.920 using the language of the left hunting down the enemies of the left for them if there's someone to

01:00:37.720 our right that we disagree with we're going to correct them you know in in a different language

01:00:43.240 in a different way rather than you and we're not going to waste the majority of time pretending like

01:00:48.760 those people are the most dangerous thing to you know the united states of america today right we're

01:00:55.240 not going to do that so that that's how i saw what he said but maybe i misunderstood i know i'm sure

01:01:00.920 that's what haywood means that yeah okay i mean this is i think this is sort of a generational thing

01:01:05.880 like you you know i i don't consider myself one of the old bogeys here but i kind of am because i

01:01:10.920 remember 2016 and 2017 and if you were sort of circulating around hard right spaces online

01:01:18.680 in those years uh you know people were using no enemies to the right and they weren't

01:01:27.000 they weren't meaning it in the way that you just said right there they were hard purity spiraling

01:01:32.440 and uh you know that's the kind of purity spiraling that works if you're on the left

01:01:37.320 because of what the left is and because the left has power but and i know i know charles haywood

01:01:44.280 he means what you just said and he is because he is a very nuanced and potential person he he yeah

01:01:51.000 but but there's there's danger in in the extremes of these things and uh i'm always kind of cautious

01:01:58.840 when these things get meme-ified because the problem is that eventually your your high iq meme is

01:02:06.760 going to become a low iq meme i mean we see this with friend in me all the time yeah i think that 0.81

01:02:11.160 schmidt abused endlessly to mean that you that any ideology is bullshit uh that's not what schmidt

01:02:18.440 meant uh it was something more nuanced it was about sort of sociologically how humans can

01:02:27.080 conceptualize politics and what politics sort of realistically becomes in the limit it wasn't to

01:02:34.200 say that you should be a nihilist or that you know your personal you know enemy because you know he did

01:02:40.120 you dirty and in pool that one time is is equivalent to like adolf hitler or something like that like

01:02:45.400 it's it's not that so i'm always very cautious you know that these meme-ified and then sloganized

01:02:53.480 versions are going to become kind of um turned into low iq versions of themselves yeah no i think that's

01:03:02.040 they're exactly right i always go you know schmidt is that friend enemy distinction is so important

01:03:06.600 and there's a lot of subtlety to it and so many people just throw it out there that they don't

01:03:11.000 understand that like schmidt had different definitions for the private enemy and the public

01:03:15.000 enemy and just everything else that's involved in that is it's it's like you said the meme-ification

01:03:19.640 of those things can become very dangerous uh but let's i think we're stacking up some super chats

01:03:25.320 here let's go ahead and pivot there so i'm not keeping you forever uh let's see here oh actually

01:03:31.800 while we're doing this you just remind everybody uh where they can find your stuff oh uh yeah so my

01:03:38.120 youtube channel is called the distributist and my sub stack is called uh letters from fiddler screen

01:03:45.000 and i have a podcast that's roughly the same name that airs on my youtube channel i'm in the process of

01:03:49.800 of reorganizing this stuff so hopefully um i'll have more together in the coming year but yeah that's

01:03:55.560 it excellent yeah make sure to check all that stuff out guys and by the way if you want to listen to

01:04:01.560 this just in the podcast uh there's now the podcast up with the blaze so if you go over there all your

01:04:08.040 major uh platforms will have it and if you do subscribe to the podcast just if you can leave a rating and

01:04:15.000 review that definitely helps you appreciate it there all right so we've got one that came in

01:04:20.040 before we started so i don't think i can put up on the screen but i'll go ahead and read it out for

01:04:24.200 everybody here it's um sorry i'm going to butcher this man uh foremost sully form a soul something 0.94

01:04:32.360 to that effect but thank you very much five uh dollar says i want to say you uh want to say to your

01:04:38.840 viewers that i met dave pursuing a mutual hobby uh where he didn't expect to be recognized

01:04:44.600 so don't feel alone so uh a friend spotted in the wild dave uh yeah um i have some nerdy hobbies i

01:04:52.760 engage in occasionally in real life and i i guess i guess if you catch me in one of them uh guilty as

01:05:01.000 charged i guess okay can i can i like pull a like a warhammer game out of you are you playing the

01:05:07.080 tabletop or you just are you i have actually only played it like once oh man this is a different board

01:05:12.440 game but yeah all right if you ever if you ever if somehow we ever meet we'll have to figure out

01:05:17.240 how to get get one of these on the table oh yeah yeah that'll be really hard it takes like a whole

01:05:21.800 cart to bring one of these armies around it does yeah we'll we'll play a small points game it'll be

01:05:26.520 all right all right uh let's see here we've got uh falling outside the normal moral constraints for

01:05:33.080 two dollars thank you very much wishing you both a very merry christmas thank you very much man

01:05:38.280 merry christmas to you as well very excited here uh for everybody to enjoy the christmas rig might

01:05:44.520 try to put a kind of a casual friend stream together after christmas did that last year and everybody

01:05:50.120 really enjoyed it that was a great time so might be able to get some people together for that but

01:05:54.280 thank you very much we appreciate it uh let's see have uh belisarius for five canadian for peterson to ask

01:06:03.480 the question to abandon anonymity or to ask the right to abandon anonymity is to ask the right to

01:06:09.720 perform a political bonsai charge it's just not practical for most people uh yeah belisarius i think

01:06:16.840 that's right again especially in the situation you are in a place like canada it's just absolutely

01:06:22.680 financial suicide if not legal suicide to to do that kind of thing and so asking people in general to

01:06:29.640 step out of this and it also you know that that limitation also or that also limits people's

01:06:35.560 ability to speak freely right there's certain things that are just not going to be expressed

01:06:39.240 ideas that are not going to be exchanged um some of the most important twitter posters that i know of

01:06:46.440 right now people who are really exploring interesting ideas are anonymous posters who are able to do so

01:06:51.480 because they can still work their day job and that kind of thing uh so i i i'm totally against it i i

01:06:56.680 don't understand that attack at all other than then he doesn't want people to hurt his feelings i guess

01:07:02.520 i'm done asking myself how peterson got to these conclusions i'm asking who's buying this

01:07:08.440 yeah i i'm i just don't understand who these people's audiences are

01:07:16.760 let's say here shane phelps friday you guys have a similar way of talking

01:07:21.240 talking and talk about the same things i used to think you were the same guy thanks for the quality content

01:07:25.640 i don't know i don't think i've often been confused uh with the distributist but uh fair enough you

01:07:32.200 know i did i mean to be fair um i did get started on this because i was watching your videos um you

01:07:37.480 know i i was i fell uh down the rabbit hole of uh that this guy sargon of akkad started talking to

01:07:44.200 some guy the distributist on one of his streams and uh that then i i fell down that rabbit hole so uh if

01:07:51.960 if there's any similarities it's only because i've probably consumed far too much of dave's content

01:07:56.280 at this point well i i i think you you have mastered this uh this way of concisely expressing ideas which

01:08:04.120 i just can't do i i i never i've always like oh this will be a small sub stack essay never has happened

01:08:10.920 and but yeah uh and also you have a much clearer way of speaking i have this nasal uh thing but never

01:08:16.840 been able to get around it so well i appreciate it but i i like the verboseness too i i think that the

01:08:21.960 you know you know we each have our our ability and yeah i can i can do 10 minute videos but you're

01:08:27.240 you're doing you know 40 minute videos that i want to watch every minute of because they're they're

01:08:31.320 very interesting my favorite one i think is still the the one uh where you have the uh uh pulp fiction

01:08:38.440 and went through the different types of love of thank you that was my favorite video i like not to my own

01:08:42.840 horror but that's my personal one though i'm like for my salon too it's like no one ever watched it

01:08:47.160 but thanks man i mean i'm obviously you go i'm a huge fan of your work so and also also i should say

01:08:54.520 congratulations on the new job too oh thank you no no i appreciate it no very yeah wild times uh we

01:09:01.400 we live in interesting times to be sure but i appreciate it uh let's see here uh dave monahan for

01:09:07.080 uh ten dollars here i lost it with dreher the hundredth time he complained about something he

01:09:12.360 heard on npr why is he listening to npr when it's obviously enemy because that's where his real

01:09:18.520 loyalties lie yeah say saying you saying you listen to npr because you like the stories in the jazz

01:09:26.120 it's like saying you read playboy to read the articles at this stage yeah i mean like

01:09:31.720 i guess someone probably did read playboy to get the articles at some point in human history

01:09:37.080 but you know i want to meet that guy because i got some questions for him right do you i i did not

01:09:44.120 listen to a lot of npr but i did catch at some point i don't know i was driving around it was

01:09:48.520 during like the 2016 protest and or the 2016 election and the left is protesting and going

01:09:54.680 crazy everyone forgets there was wild protests by the left during this time right like there's there's

01:09:59.640 straight up riotous type protests and like they're breathlessly uh uh reciting like poems

01:10:06.280 about uh standing up to donald trump and how they're gonna save like on on news radio right

01:10:11.160 on public news radio like it's activists you know reciting these poems about how they all gathered

01:10:16.920 in the capitol building and yeah joined hands it's just like yeah i don't understand how anyone is

01:10:22.200 is still consuming that i understand i mean like i'm i don't know i'm probably not older than you

01:10:29.160 but i come from a blue state npr used to be a lot better than it is right now i don't believe you

01:10:34.840 a lot better i don't believe you really it might be true but i i don't know yeah okay i mean i think

01:10:41.560 this is like the media used to be fair right like this is like you might be fondly remembering it

01:10:46.600 because you're okay listen to old episodes of car talk okay well car talk is fine i'll give you car talk

01:10:52.040 yeah and and you know okay look i really dislike garrison keeler but prairie home companion was a

01:10:58.520 damn good idea and if there ever is a well i think there will be this is inevitable that there will be

01:11:05.400 a counter-progressive art scene that it already has actually been emerging in blue areas a 0.94

01:11:11.800 counter-progressive art scene but it's very very early days when this becomes more developed something

01:11:17.320 like prairie home companion will have to be developed because that is a brilliant idea to

01:11:23.240 recapture the energy of what an early radio show would be and to recreate that uh i've seen several

01:11:31.160 of them live and there's kind of a magic there even though you know i have contempt from it because it

01:11:36.760 it mocks the values that it essentially thrives on implicitly and and and so there's always sort of a

01:11:43.720 poison pill in in the food hidden there like a piece of glass hidden in your delicious meal

01:11:49.720 somewhere and you're always looking for it but i mean i can't tell you that that's a that's that's

01:11:54.920 a piece of culture that you know we're kind of missing in the american spirit fair enough here

01:11:59.800 speaking progressives had to take it you know speaking of uh pieces of culture we're missing here

01:12:06.200 today uh today your warhammer lessons video got me thinking is there a chance of the trad codex series

01:12:12.600 returning under the sunset stream format yeah that was a great series any chance that we'll see that

01:12:17.880 picked up uh well i i'm kind of choking on the last one that i i recorded half of one before my son was

01:12:24.920 born and i never returned to that one in the series so uh that one has to get made first but i'm i'm just

01:12:33.240 kind of killing myself trying to get the substack essays out right now so i'm gonna have a lot more time

01:12:39.960 in mid-january and i'm hoping to get all of this stuff off my stack so to speak uh so hopefully i'll

01:12:47.400 have a really productive january in terms of the blog content but uh first of all you know i have to get

01:12:53.800 around a 50 hour work week that's not blog related and um you know this unending series of toddler colds

01:13:01.480 that does slow things down uh yes yeah so someone free dave from the shackles of of this so he can

01:13:08.280 make excellent content here actually speaking of here we got a good joke but it's a good one here

01:13:13.000 bolero 393 for five dollars now the order is going to the blaze will dave announce his taking an hour uh

01:13:19.320 an hour slot on ewtn opening for raymond auroria is that how you say that properly oh boy i i would need to

01:13:27.960 work arroyo is how i usually get pronounced i mean i'm a huge fan of no i don't i used to watch it uh

01:13:35.720 and i don't really anymore uh but but i know i really respect the content they produce anytime etwn

01:13:42.520 i really hope it does not get invaded by uh you know it doesn't suffer the same fate as npr does

01:13:48.520 because that would be a tragedy but really i i do want content like that to stay strictly religious

01:13:56.360 and orthodox and the content we produce here is political and you know there's this there's this

01:14:03.480 tendency on the right wing to kind of want to have all their eggs in one basket and we really have to

01:14:09.640 kind of get around it's always like it's just like lifeboat mentality on the right where there's only so

01:14:15.400 many seats and you all have to get on to the few seats that are remaining uh how about you just make

01:14:22.040 more seats etwn does theological content i don't produce theological content i am a roman catholic

01:14:30.920 who 100 agrees with etwn that i'm aware of but that's not the kind of thing i produce and it

01:14:37.880 shouldn't be in the same basket and to put it in the same basket would kind of make both of us weaker

01:14:43.080 and i think that this is true with a lot of things it's like people wanting tucker carlson to run for

01:14:48.040 president to me is the perfect example of this okay what you want like a single point of failure

01:14:53.800 for everything it's like the only guy who can produce good media content is also the guy running

01:14:58.520 for president and who can't do it anymore i i guess it kind of represents the desire for a king

01:15:05.480 but i don't know i i think you need to kind of do many different things and that's that's a lesson

01:15:12.600 we're going to have to learn in the future yeah i think that's really good i think a lot of

01:15:16.760 people are constantly looking to like different right-wing media figures to like then start this

01:15:23.560 and start that in a body like every you know why aren't you writing children's books and why aren't

01:15:27.560 you doing theology content why aren't you running for it like just all this stuff melts together and

01:15:32.200 i think it is really important to have that separate i think part of it comes from the idea that

01:15:36.440 you know the left just kind of blasts its cultural view into like every piece of its entertainment

01:15:41.480 and for them like the blending of theology and you know whatever politics and what it's all the

01:15:46.760 same there is no no division for them at all in in some ways but also they are able to still make good

01:15:55.000 you know entertainment well less so now but they used to have a lot less so now right them blasting their

01:16:01.160 political views into the entertainment has definitely driven that process of degeneration right so

01:16:08.840 maybe not the thing to copy right yeah i mean there's really i think the default should be to

01:16:17.080 ignore i mean we can't ignore the left we can't ignore the left they're they're the the storm that's

01:16:22.920 raging outside of us but we we can't you can ask how we respond to a leftist tactic and one way to respond

01:16:32.840 to a tactic is to kind of do tit for tat to fire back but we should not just implicitly assume that

01:16:38.680 because the left did something and it worked for them that will work for the right in my experience

01:16:43.560 most of those cases are just not true we can't just do the thing the left for a lot of different

01:16:50.040 reasons right i always mention these two two different reasons one they have power two they're

01:16:55.160 trying to push the car down the hill they're trying to degenerate so you know if you want to melt culture

01:17:00.040 down uh put your politics in it but i'm not trying to do that and my ideal version of the prairie home

01:17:06.840 companion would actually be about music and about folk life and about good stories it wouldn't be like

01:17:13.800 i wouldn't launch into a tirade about mentions molebug in the middle of a story about lake wobegon

01:17:19.080 right that's stupid it would it would be you know it would though molebug might launch into a story 0.90

01:17:25.240 about lake wobegon and his political tirade so i think he already has yeah probably 0.99

01:17:33.720 all right so art uh art and cob here for two dollars ted kaczynski based or cringe intellectually

01:17:40.040 yes to be clear uh very cringe in all of his actions um speaking of tactics that don't work

01:17:46.600 yeah right yeah the right uh it's amazing but ted kaczynski basically did the same thing as bill

01:17:52.760 airs but he didn't end up with tenure yeah right yes very important believe me his prose is way

01:18:00.120 better than billers oh oh yeah he's a way more compelling person than angela davis or bill airs

01:18:07.000 but they basically did the well i guess he was more successful on it right yes uh well okay i don't

01:18:13.880 want to get your channel canceled but i appreciate intellectually based in my opinion i i think he's

01:18:19.160 very compelling thinker yeah i haven't read a ton of ted kaczynski i've read the system's greatest trick

01:18:24.920 and and a little more but not much but from what i've seen yeah it seems like he did he did have a

01:18:31.000 grasp on things that a lot of people don't you might be able to find those things elsewhere and

01:18:35.400 you know but but he uh did have a decent grasp on a lot of things that people talk about today let's yeah

01:18:41.800 i think a lot of it's been assimilated into modern right-wing thought so i wouldn't say he's essential

01:18:48.120 and the question that he asks and sort of the unabomber manifesto i i recognize that as a version

01:18:55.160 of the kind of broad dialectic you experience and like the abolition of man by cs lewis so

01:19:01.720 you know that's kind of you don't need to go to ted kaczynski to find this stuff but it is

01:19:10.280 interesting that he was thinking in that way before anyone was explicitly thinking in that way

01:19:14.760 or before a lot of us were thinking in that way yeah i think so all right dreadnought here for ten

01:19:20.360 dollars i'm always bothering dave on his streams he's responsible for me becoming catholic but i wanted

01:19:26.840 to say i love your work or and how many signs do you have uh well let's see um i think i've got like

01:19:34.760 three of my own that i made and then sometimes i make people some for other people when they have

01:19:40.840 particularly good tweets so like i made one for uh harmless yard dog um and so so i think there's like

01:19:49.480 four or five out there that i made but you know the the sign tapping meme did exist before me um you

01:19:56.680 know that obviously there are people doing the carl schmidt you know with the sign tapping meme

01:20:01.400 uh that that's kind of where i first saw it but i guess you know mine kind of went wide and so

01:20:06.200 uh that's why i am now the tapper of signs uh but let's see here any signs that we need to create for

01:20:13.880 you uh i'm not much of a memer i got back on twitter recently but i realized that the uh the the thing i

01:20:23.400 like doing my most on twitter is making these completely unwieldy tweet threads which is the

01:20:27.800 worst use of time right uh because it's just it's much better to do a sub stack essay actually the the

01:20:34.520 40 lessons from 40k uh the most recent video that was supposed to be a tweet thread and i just turned

01:20:40.520 it into a video um but i don't know it's also time like it takes way longer to make a sub stack in

01:20:46.120 a video for me at least than it does to tweet it out yeah my my experience has been i start the the

01:20:53.960 i start the idea in a tweet and then i expand it when i write a piece and then the piece becomes the

01:21:01.960 video you know so kind of you know each at each point kind of make it a little larger you know deep

01:21:08.040 in the thought that kind of thing that that's that's been a process that works for me but obviously

01:21:12.040 it's you a little different for everybody there this is one thing you missed not to digress but you

01:21:17.720 don't you i don't think you ever had a youtube channel when youtube videos could explode and not

01:21:24.600 really or yeah like it's always been since you've been here it's always been that live streams do as well

01:21:30.520 as like real videos and that's just like that's a that's a that's almost tragic because my live streams do

01:21:38.040 better than the edited videos that i've like poured actual effort into thinking about which is strange

01:21:44.680 right yeah no it is you you put your heart and soul into something and you takes you hours and hours

01:21:50.760 of writing and cutting it down and recording and everything and then like you do a joke stream with

01:21:56.360 somebody for an hour and that gets you know five thousand ten thousand more views and you're like

01:22:01.160 all right well there's that though i will say my one video that has gone wide that did kind of

01:22:06.680 get a little bit of viralness it was a edited video so so the one the one video the i i have

01:22:12.360 had that really did that like went over a hundred thousand or whatever views like that that was a

01:22:16.920 edited video and none of my streams have got close so there there is still a chance for those things to

01:22:21.480 get kicked up to the algorithm but i hear you over over time it does feel like the the streams i think

01:22:27.320 people like to be interaction they like to be involved people like to hear kind of the conversation a

01:22:32.920 little more today yeah videos are mainly just for signposting i you know what you're thinking about

01:22:38.120 like serious ideas and to kind of establish your cred as a person that actually says something you

01:22:44.600 know a lot of these streamers like adam and sitch the way they can get away with their contradictions

01:22:50.040 is that they're never nailed down to any ideas because who's going to search for their positive ideas

01:22:54.920 in the stream that goes on for eight hours right and so they can continuously spin

01:22:58.920 bullshit whereas when you say something in a video you know that that person actually writes 0.86

01:23:04.680 down things that they believe in like you can maybe i'll admit i'm wrong i made videos saying 0.99

01:23:10.520 things that turned out to be wrong and i'll admit that but at least i'm taking a stand and you can

01:23:15.000 call me on it right yeah the video essay really is a piece of cohesive thought that makes you easier

01:23:22.200 to nail down and but but if you get it right gives you a lot more credibility so it is you're right

01:23:27.160 that it is kind of that uh catch 22 for some people or that there is that that dangerous out

01:23:32.840 there if you if you don't know what you're doing but it can it can give you some some credibility if

01:23:36.920 you do uh let's see here uh benji for five dollars now that orrin works for the blaze is he now a

01:23:43.400 relapse journalist instead of a recovering one yeah i had to take the recovering journalist out of my

01:23:49.400 profile i've cashed in the chip i've you know uh you know back i'm off the wagon no i i i i hope i'm not a

01:23:56.680 journalist right like i'm i'm an opinion guy right at the very least that that's not quite as bad 0.94

01:24:03.240 right at least i'm honest about about where my opinions are but yeah you're an ontological terrorist 0.61

01:24:10.120 if you a polemicist boomers know what i'm talking about with that one right do you know what the 0.84

01:24:14.520 reference is no not right away sorry oh um it was uh there was this um this hearst daughter and

01:24:22.440 uh you know this this uh newspaper man she got kidnapped by these communists and brainwashed 0.58

01:24:28.760 and uh they they re there's this famous patty hearse was her name and when they recaptured her 0.99

01:24:33.880 like as a terrorist uh she she said that she was an ontological terrorist was her new profession

01:24:39.800 interesting yeah i'm sorry this is boomer trivia if you're ever in trivial pursuit that might come

01:24:46.600 up i'm prepared well if you ever played trivial pursuit you are a boomer right like at this one

01:24:51.720 no no i we're the same age i i i played a lot of trivial pursuit i'm just saying all the all the

01:24:57.240 zoomers are on here like okay old man like yeah fascinating all right uh dread not here for five 0.98

01:25:03.000 dollars again thank you very much i think streams have become so popular because oh we are so much more

01:25:07.800 isolated and disconnected from each other these days yeah that's definitely too true right like

01:25:12.600 true as well like the the isolation of covet and just the want for you know feeling like you have

01:25:19.640 friends feeling like you're part of a social situation and then i i feel like so much of the

01:25:24.600 world is still recovering from covet so much of our um so much of our lives is still where our social

01:25:32.520 lives is still catching up with that uh that yeah i think you're right that people have it gives people

01:25:37.240 a way to can feel like they're connecting that they otherwise wouldn't have with just a random video

01:25:41.400 essay yeah i mean the coveted was when you saw streams overtake videos that just flat out and

01:25:49.560 it happened to correspond with my hiatus so it was you know it was a end of an era certainly and uh you

01:25:57.880 know this is actually the one of the ways the right has to get power immediately is just to beat the left

01:26:04.280 on the line coming back from covet is just to get get out there get socializing and get into the real

01:26:10.440 world as as fast as possible uh this is why i've been such an advocate for the basket weaving pro

01:26:18.920 and i'll take it guys uh you go to my blog or don't if you're interested but if there's one thing i want to

01:26:27.720 really promote in on this stream while i have your audience check out the project of basket weaving

01:26:33.880 meeting with other people and and finding allies in your locality this is something that i wish i could

01:26:40.920 do more of and it is absolutely the sign that the green shoots are forming if you can meet in your

01:26:47.080 locality with people who agree with you it will also basically pilot something that we've been looking

01:26:53.160 for for a long time which our real life community is forming embryonically online and then becoming real

01:27:01.800 absolutely yeah i mean it's not my immediate locality but i was lucky enough to we were my

01:27:06.520 wife and i were in the uk a few weeks ago we got to meet up with an academic agent and

01:27:11.640 and uh poe and and a few other uh people in real life so that was great you really it is great to finally

01:27:17.080 kind of make contact with everyone um great so i highly suggest it all right and we missed one here

01:27:24.120 real quick uh 99 iron duke uh says dave as a mod on your channel how do you get you on a guest on

01:27:30.280 my youtube channel the duke here submits his request uh just ask me uh yeah i would have 99 iron duke i i

01:27:41.000 think i kind of know you have a youtube channel i'd absolutely love to come on and you know long

01:27:46.840 time friend of the channels i always want to promote and also a mutual friend of the inspiration for my

01:27:53.240 channel the franklin uh who used to blog under a different name who i won't mention here but uh

01:27:59.640 yeah absolutely the only problem is is that twitter for me really was more of a rolodex for so if you

01:28:06.520 dm me on twitter i'll get back to you the fastest that's the fastest way to contact me email is the

01:28:13.080 slowest i have a very difficult time answering emails because oftentimes people write me essays and

01:28:19.960 it's very hard to know how to appropriately respond to that

01:28:24.840 all right guys well thank you for joining us had lots of great questions and a great crowd out tonight

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01:28:47.880 rating and the review really appreciate it i should have a new piece coming out in on the blaze tomorrow and

01:28:56.520 i also recently did an appearance i was on the jesse kelly show uh i was on with allie beth stuckey and i was

01:29:05.000 on with uh sheamus coghlin uh from freedom tunes so if you want to check those out you can find me in

01:29:11.880 those places as well but really appreciate you guys all for coming by appreciate the distributist

01:29:17.960 always a great guest and as always guys we'll talk to you next time bye

The Auron MacIntyre Show - December 19, 2022

Identifying Friends and Gatekeepers ｜ Guest： The Distributist ｜ 12⧸19⧸22

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